Report: Trump and Putin to Bond Over “Fake News”
The following passage, from a New York Times article yesterday, does not seem to have stirred much discussion — but it should:
The biggest concern, people who have spoken recently with members of his team said, is that Mr. Trump, in trying to forge a rapport, appears to be unwittingly siding with Mr. Putin. Like Mr. Trump, Mr. Putin has expressed disdain for the news media, and he asserted in a recent interview that secretive elements within the United States government were working against the president’s agenda. Two people close to Mr. Trump said they expected the men to bond over their disdain for “fake news.”
“Two people close to Trump” might say anything, of course, so I don’t put a lot of stock in the notion that this will actually happen. If it does, however, it will be monstrously disgusting. Would you like to know why? Because when Vladimir Putin doesn’t like what he sees in the news, he doesn’t whine on Twitter or post a GIF.
Putin kills the journalist.
It is (somewhat dubiously) claimed that Stalin said: “If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics.” So, I won’t dwell at length on the statistics that show that, as of January 2016, at least 34 journalists had been murdered since 2000 in Russia. (By comparison, only two journalists were murdered in China during the same period.)
Instead, I will remind you of the story of one journalist about whom I wrote at RedState in January, in a review of Garry Kasparov’s book Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must Be Stopped. That journalist’s name is Anna Politkovskaya.
“How come I am still alive? When I really think about it, it’s a miracle.”
These are the words of journalist Anna Politkovskaya, as quoted by Kasparov. He describes her as a fearless journalist who exposed Putin’s atrocities in Chechnya, and who had relentlessly criticized Putin and the FSB (the successor to the KGB). In 2004, on the way to help negotiate with the Chechen terrorists holding children and others hostage in Beslan, she was poisoned but did not die. (Yet.)
Here is a video of Politkovskaya talking about how Russia under Putin has become a Neo-Soviet state in which there is no freedom of speech.
How could someone like Politkovskaya say something like that and be allowed to live? you might ask. The answer is: she couldn’t. She was murdered in a contract killing at her apartment building on October 7, 2006.
Here is former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko (more about him in a moment) saying that Vladimir Putin was responsible for Politkovskaya’s death:
Litvinenko says he had been a friend of Politkovskaya’s, and that she had told him that she had been threatened by Putin and had wondered whether Putin and his confederates could actually kill her. Litvinenko told her they could, and advised Politkovskaya to leave the country. He says he had evidence that the Kremlin had her killed, but that it was seized by police. He says Politkovskaya could not have been killed without Putin having ordered it.
Litvinenko was the fellow murdered by Putin in London by the use of polonium 210, for offenses including helping to reveal Putin’s role in deadly Russian bombings attributed to Chechen rebels.
Putin never commits the act himself, of course. When a journalist is thrown off the roof of an apartment building in Moscow, Putin isn’t holding the right leg and counting “adin, dva, tree!” as he and Sergey Lavrov swing the body over the roof’s edge. But Putin orders such things to happen. It would be supremely naive to believe that Putin is not behind the murders of journalists in Russia. Nothing significant to Putin’s standing in Russia happens without his say-so.
Incidentally, our vaunted news media is predictably missing the point. Responding to the report that Putin and Trump planned to bond over “FAKE NEWS!!” (never forget the ALL CAPS and the exclamation points!) CNN’s Jim Sciutto responded: “Remarkable as Mr Putin’s Russia has weaponized fake news against Mr Trump’s own country.”
No, Mr. Sciutto, that’s not what makes it remarkable. What makes it remarkable is that when Vladimir Putin sees what he considers “FAKE NEWS!!” in Russia, he simply orders the journalist to be murdered. And then, when a critic accuses Putin of killing the journalist, Putin calls that “FAKE NEWS!!” as well. And then kills the critic. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
So the idea that Trump, who has been engaged in a petty pissing match with whiny overreacting journalists in the U.S., would commiserate with Putin about so-called “FAKE NEWS!!” is not just “troubling” or “concerning.” It’s repulsive — and should make all aware citizens feel sick to their stomach.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
Oddly counternarrative stories dint get play
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/06/trump-signs-deal-to-arm-poland-versus-putin
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:21 amIn a weird way, this is Bannon-Miller strategy- destabilize Eastern Europe, but encourage Brexit and other nationalistic movements in the western EU contries, while simultaneously tamping down third world immigration to here. If there truly is “work” to be done but not by natives, use the Eastern Europeans left homeless but still not welcome anymore in Western Europe.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:38 amPatterico,
The difference is Putin murders journalists for publishing real news. Trump attacks the media for pushing fake mews.
Can’t believe you neglected that important difference.
NJRob (1df6f7) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:42 amAgain, Trump’s Dillinger issue cropping up:
http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/06/trump-just-got-rejected-polish-first-lady/
Maybe she’s tight with Mika and she’s doing it out of solidarity.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:44 amExcept he is solid with kazynski and urban who have a clue, and cool with may and merkel that don’t be
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:49 am“Cool with” or “Cool towards”?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:04 amLet’s hope we get something as interesting as Obama’s faux pas on a hot mic.
AZ Bob (25b36f) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:11 amPick your modifier, meanwhile pashto crowded gang can’t get arrested.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:11 amSeverly OT – Happyfeet might be the only one to concur, but man, is Mitch, outside of the Gorsuch mastery, really worth not having this around the Capitol – http://www.yahoo.com/news/kentucky-secretary-state-emerges-quotable-opponent-trump-voter-fraud-panel-135117047.html
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:22 amFrom the last thread, this cannot be encouraging as a prosecutor,
http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/snowfall-fx-review.html
Like Mario Von pebbles panther but dialed to eleven
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:22 amI think politskayava didn’t allow chechens grants if you assume ryazan happened, there was still the Arab contingent headed by khattab and Abe umar, which directed against Russian personal including civilians
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:34 amTo quote Valente Rodriguez in My Family (1995) regarding Snowfall‘s Emily Rios “what a farging waste!”
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:35 amThis on the other hand, would be classic Singleton as well:
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:38 amhttp://abc7.com/news/security-guard-several-people-get-in-fight-at-santa-monica-mcdonalds/2187032/
This is the way. I feel about the surfeit of these types of shows on Latin TV, excepting some tales like the ten commandments and the occasional Turkish import
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:39 am3 – yeah, you’d think the difference would at least be acknowledged.
harkin (536957) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:39 amWe aren’t assuming g crowdstrike and akmetchin dossier is real news, right?
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:42 amActual evidence is an inconvenience:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/07/john-podestas-russia-connection.php
Its nit reassuring that the nations security services can be so easily wopr’s Alan war games
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:49 amHow many degrees of separation from the truth are you willing to venture before your outrage meter begins to fall off?
Strike 1 — Its a NYT piece.
Strike 2 — Its based on anonymous sourcing.
Strike 3 — Its written 24 hours before an expected for the transparent purpose of undermining anything positive that might come out of the meeting. “See, its obvious they must have bonded over “fake news” because they are getting along so well in their public appearance.”
Rather than digest such crap-trap from a media beast wholly lacking in credibility, why not focus on what Trump actually said TO THE WORLD today about Russia:
And lets just for a moment consider the ACTUAL sourcing on the article that the NYT identifies:
Start with the headline which refers to “Trump Aides”. That’s a description of nobody and everybody at the same time.
“And that is what most worries his advisors as well as officials across his administration.” Really? They don’t quote — even refer to — a single one, either anonymously or by name.
The first person named and quoted is Steven Pifer, identified as the former Ambassador to Ukraine, and who formerly worked for the NSC and State Dept. He says “There’s a fair amount of nervousness at the WH and the State Department about this meeting….”
Yes — he was a career foreign service officer, who happened to also be a Special Assistant to Pres. Clinton on Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia, and was Ambassador to Ukraine at the end of the Clinton Admin. He’s now a senior fellow at Brookings — I’m sure he’s wired into the Trump WH and State Dept. — to the leakers who are holdovers from the Obama Admin.
The second quoted source says: “I expect an Olympian level of macho posturing between these two leaders….” says Derek Chollet, identified as a former Assistant Secretary of Defense. “Putin will be very prepared for this meeting. He is someone who is a master at manipulation.”
Whereas the NYT author says with regard to Trump — “The air of uncertainty is only heightened by the President’s propensity for unpredictable utterances and awkward optics.”
But lets get back to Mr. Chollet — another way the NYT could have identified his expertise was to have said:
”
Oh yeah — Shadow Government” – the blog site on Foreign Policy where the top headline today is “No Specific Agenda Means Trump Will Get Played By Putin, Again.” If you scroll down a bit, you can find articles captioned “Trump’s Cuba Policy and the Return of the American Boogeyman”, or “Trump is Letting America Get Pushed Around by Saudi Arabia.”
Another way the NYT could have identified Chollet is as follows:
Another great source on the thinking of Trump advisors inside the WH.
But lets just jump right on the NYT authors click-bait — that Trump and Putin might “bond” over “fake news.”
TDS in full bloom.
shipwreckedcrew (d06bb0) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:53 amTo the Washington establishment the dumpster fire that begins in western Europe and segurs down Tito Africa and the levant was unexpected, from Birmingham to Baghdad, can’t be helped.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:59 amThank you SWC for your rational analysis.
Steven Malynn (d29fc3) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:03 amMuch like the roots of snowfall lie in the christic institute and senator Kerry’s chief investigator jack Blum, seconded from Robert White’s staff (he was the ambassadorvwho wanted the rebels to win, mike Murphy played him in Oliver stones Salvador) they tom a whole host of disreputable characters and gave them a script,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:04 amWho drew short straw and ended up here? Rex, perhaps?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:06 amhttp://abcnews.go.com/live/video/special-live-3?cid=HP_LB_HED
What is truly repulsive is Patterico’s willingness to accept this obvious garbage at face value. Shipwrecked Crew said everything I wanted to say…I will just repeat that the TDS of this blog’s namesake is sadly still in full bloom.
Bill Saracino (ad0096) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:20 amHe must have dine something to provoke them right?
I point out the irony that while Kerry was investigating bcci which was his original charge he was profiting from said arrangement as southern branch front man David Paul was the Dem campaign finance chair
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:20 amthis NYT fake news article seems too vapid to countenance
North Korea’s for sure the number one issue on deck and Putin hasn’t been showing any signs of wanting to do good colludes on that one
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:23 amOne of the many things we have learned over the past 5+ months is that Trump is no friend of Putin. Just yesterday, Trump’s speech in Poland yesterday was a slap in the face to Russia (and the pro-Russia EU, as well). Trump’s urging Europe to dump Russian natural gas, a primary source of foreign income to Putin and Russia, was a deliberate to undermine Russia and Putin. And today we learn the Russia critic Fiona Hill will be at President Trump’s side for the Putin meeting and that Trump has agreed to sell Patriot Missles to Poland (Obama, with Hilary’s support, did just the opposite). Putin has many friends in the West. Donald Trump isn’t one of them.
The Putin collusion meme is so dead that even the NYT and WaPo have dropped it, yet some diehards cling to it. It takes all kinds.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:25 amRemember how they were absolutely sure of this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-27/ukraine-says-there-s-no-evidence-of-illicit-payments-to-manafort
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:27 ami love by the way how good President Trump has done in calling attention to America’s fake news propaganda slut problem, and the parallels with Russia are very apt
this is why Mr. O’Keefe is calling his recent series “American Pravda”
this is an interesting series which focuses on fake news propaganda organizations for example the “CNN”
it has been very illuminating if you have not seen it you should google “American Pravda”
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:32 amHow does one say quelled surprise in German:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-power-exclusive-idUSKBN19Q26I?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:32 amSources close to the old grey lady say she’s nothing but a two-bit whooah…
Colonel Haiku (993483) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:33 amPutin could show Trump how to hip toss reporters to the floor into a suit jacket collar strangle.
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:37 am#1… yeah, narciso… you’d think that would be of interest but you would be wrong. Not sensational or Yew Nork Timesy enough is my guess.
Colonel Haiku (993483) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:37 amI wonder if Merkel’s Germany is exporting missile technology to North Korea too?
shipwreckedcrew (d06bb0) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:38 amPutin doesnt do that fake wrasslin crap – remember he’s a judo master.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:48 amWe need a meme of cable channel logos with Elaine Benes saying,”Fake, fake, fake!”
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:52 amMcCain Warns Against Repealing Obamacare Without Replacement
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:55 amHas Trump ceremonially thrown out the first journalist yet?
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:10 pmWhen did Putin lose his soul?
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:11 pmCNN: When keepin’ it fake goes wrong.
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:13 pm“[Trump aides is] a description of nobody and everybody at the same time.”
– shipwreckedcrew
No it’s not. Could you be referred to as a “Trump aide”? I couldn’t.
Leviticus (efada1) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:22 pmDon’t know about that but under Adenauer they provided assistance to passers rocket program, this is the subtext of the odessa file, siemmens to the nuclear program under the shah, the veteran of the former eyerle helped supply saddam then there was the Rasta plan in libya
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:23 pmLeviticus — you don’t know anything about me.
shipwreckedcrew (d06bb0) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:27 pmRabta, no marley connection, even post gulf war they had strong ties to the regime, this is how they discovered curveball rafi adwan, who was a longtime bnd source, hid from the reporting origin did forvthe dog trainer, his sources were drumheller and Murray, who might have had reasons to dissemble as they were part of the oil for food program.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:33 pmit depends what kind of food i guess
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:36 pmCrazy Patterico, emphasizing the distinction between criticism and murder as if that is what really matters!
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:38 pm33. I wonder if Merkel’s Germany is exporting missile technology to North Korea too?
Follow the vapor trail.
Likely some undersea detective work is underway searching for spent hardware on the sea floor if possible. Clearly the jump to a mobile launched two-stage liquid fueled rocket (which are dicey to manage, especially i/t field) w/a survivable reentry payload wasn’t engineered solely in NK. The technology is for ‘borrow,’ barter or sale; even China ‘lifted’ the base design of their Shenzhou spacecraft from Russia’s Soyuz. And back in the post-Soviet-strapped-for-cash days Russia peddled space and aeronautics tech to the Chinese. Wouldn’t be a surprise to learn some of that made its way to Pyongyang.
“It dizz ballooooon!”- Chief Wild Eagle [Frank DeKova] ‘F-Troop’ 1965-1967 ABC TV
________
Today’s Beldar the Bitter ‘Watergate, Watergate, Watergate’ Words Of Wonder:
“Well, one hell of a lot of people don’t give one g-ddamn about this issue of suppression of the press…” – President Richard Nixon discussing pressuring media outlets covering Watergate with John Dean, secret White House Oval Office tapes, February 28, 1973
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:38 pm26. Trump learned that Mike Flynn lied to him and was probably an agent of influence of Russia and may have been recruited even back in the days when he was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/18/us/politics/michael-flynn-intel-group-trump.html
I only find this in the google cache,
Trump’s attitude now is quote different from what it was in jann nuary – although it never was that friendly.
He’s also changed with regard to China since April – he thought China would work to contain North Koorea. Whatever China’s intentions it isn’t doing anything but he’s come to doubt its intentionals too
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:43 pmOT, sort of.
https://twitter.com/BrianKUSC/status/882766961867763712
kishnevi (d764f4) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:44 pm“Leviticus — you don’t know anything about me.”
– shipwreckedcrew
Except that you’re swaddled in mystery, I guess. My point is that its not true that “Trump Aide” is a description of either “nobody” or “everybody,” which was what you claimed.
Leviticus (efada1) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:47 pmSince the difference is utterly irrelevant to my point, it would actually undermine my point to acknowledge it.
Let me challenge you, harkin, or you, NJRob, or anyone else here who wants to try: correctly articulate my point and then make a cogent argument as to why the accuracy of the news should be relevant to that point.
I promise you that you will fail, and I confidently predict you will fail at Step One. Because if you manage to execute Step One correctly, I can’t believe you’d want to proceed further with your argument.
But feel free to give it a go!
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:48 pmRead the following.
Quiz for Bill Saracino in two parts:
1. Is that taking the story at face value?
2. Does that language sound familiar? Did ya happen to read it anywhere recently?
This is a long way of saying that your particular derangement syndrome has caused you to misrepreeent my post so badly that no sentient being could recognize your characterization as an accurate summary of what I said.
Patterico (be2ac7) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:53 pmCrazy Patterico, emphasizing the distinction between criticism and murder as if that is what really matters!
Thing is, with credibility- which is all really journalists have- in a free press now in play, dismissive ridicule in Western media is as good as ‘death.’ You don’t have to kill’em; just discredit them. ‘Let’em live and laugh at them’ – The Donald and his minions are doing Vlad one better in that department.
“Liberty Valance taking liberties…with the liberty of the press?!” – Dutton Peabody [Edmond O’Brien] ‘The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance’ 1962
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:56 pmI’m considering giving people who willfully misrepresent my words a little vacation from the blog when it happens.
Feel free to beat me to the punch and flounce.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 12:56 pmIf only I had cautioned that the story might be worthless because of the anonymous sourcing. Thankfully we have swc to come in here and help perpetuate the false narrative that I didn’t.
If I am not to be treated with the basic respect of having the responses address what I actually wrote, the lack of respect and a going to flow two ways, and some of you may cry like stuck pigs when that happens. I will be here to remind you that you were warned.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:01 pmSo you toss in at the end of a sentence that you don’t really expect the story to hold much water, but then spend about 500+ words lecturing your readers on what a horrible development it would be if the NYT story turns out to be true.
You are then taken to task for even supposing that there was any foundation for the piece by conferring even minimal credibility on the publication, the actual story’s lack of legitimate sourcing, and the fact that this is clearly an attempt to fashion a false narrative in advance of the event which can be doubled-down on if something positive comes out of the meeting.
Yet, its the critics who are misrepresenting your post because of 15 weasel words you put into a sentence to give you room to maneuver? You realize that you do this in almost every anti-Trump post you make? Its almost pathological.
shipwreckedcrew (d06bb0) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:08 pmYou have a post ready to go on the anonymously sourced NYT article claiming that the Trump WH is considering retaliating against CNN by having DOJ block the merger between AT&T and Time-Warner?
Here’s the “sourcing” on that:
Notice the fact that the hearsay isn’t clearly acknowledged. The “source” isn’t described othert han as a “senior administration official”, and the phrasing strongly suggests the source wasn’t part of the actual discussions. The “source” says “White House advisers” have discussed.
There’s nothing about what said in the discussions, whether anyone from DOJ was involved, etc.
But, lets have a lecture about what a horribly crass political dirty trick this would be, with the necessary proviso that it probably won’t ever happen.
shipwreckedcrew (d06bb0) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:17 pmPartisanship causes people to be a little nastier to their opponents. A little less charitable to what they say. In extreme cases it can cause people to assert the complete opposite of what the opponent has written.
I am serving notice that I will no longer be treated this way on my own blog.
You will be extra careful to assure yourself that you have represented my view in a way that I would agree is fair, or there will be a consequence. If basic civility cannot assure such behavior, I’ll take whatever steps I need to take.
I hope I have been quite clear.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:18 pmI do not intend to spend my time any more telling people “that’s not what I said” without making them pay dearly for wasting my time. I am done with it.
Done.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:23 pm<3 Patrick
Please don’t ever leave us again!
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:30 pmthis post is surly and acerbic
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:31 pmYeah, no one could ever imagine that Trump would sink so low as to commiserate and express solidarity with Vladimir Putin. /sarc
Leviticus (efada1) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:37 pmIt should, however, surprise no one. Ending freedom of the press if elected was one of Donald Trump’s campaign promises:
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:43 pmhmmm
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:43 pm@18- “Rather than digest such crap-trap from a media beast wholly lacking in credibility…”
???
Comrade SWC: the New York Times is not ‘wholly lacking in credibility’ – but by posting that whine, you may very well be.
“Yeah! Yeah! That’s the ticket!” – Pathological liar Tommy Flanagan [Jon Lovitz] SNL, NBC TV
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:47 pmMr. DCSCA i don’t believe for a second that there’s going to be some kind of bonding happening between Mr. Putin and President Trump centered around fake news
it’s too reductionist and it fits the new york times fake news agenda far too neatly
i guess you could say I’m skeptical
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:52 pmSo now suing a member of the media is *ending freedom of the press*? You lefties are hysterical.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:56 pmI think you miss the whole idea on the “Russia Thing”, happyfeet:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d605SjdE4v4/WV2bmdoa3dI/AAAAAAABKq0/BHtrsTdnigcazUB4BN4QLJIinkBN4gmOwCLcBGAs/s1600/1%2B1ninetymiles2e95v1w1rw3ro1_540.jpg
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 7/6/2017 @ 1:59 pmFAKE NEWS! NEVER HAPPENED!
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:00 pm@65. i guess you could say I’m skeptical
More likely you’re asleep; apparently you missed our Captain’s “fake news” ‘do-you-have-that-problem- here?” rant smearing America’s free press in Poland this morning.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:00 pmIts very weak tea, rev, and I my conjecture is taut us covering up ghcq using his firm capital up
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:07 pmAlpha as a cutout, in a similar way that the bureau employed crowdstrike and fusion gps
No, “opening up those libel laws” to make it easy to use the courts to silence journalists critical of Donald Trump is ending freedom of the press.
And I’m no lefty. I’m one of the handful of conservatives left here. You’re the one backing the guy who endorsed Clinton and bankrolled Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Kerry, Carter, Rangel and Weiner.
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:08 pmNo, I’m backing The President of the United States against people like Pelosi, Schumer, Waters and the like. Who are you backing? I’m backing this guy:
Again you claim to be a conservative yet side with dems, socialists and commies. I don’t think *conservative* means what you think it means. Tell me you believe Trump could “open up those libel laws to make it easy to use the courts to silence journalists critical of Donald Trump is ending freedom of the press”. Really? Hysterical.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:14 pmDCSCA
A guy sponsored by NK instead of Red Bull could drop out of a balloon over Los Angeles. The Japanese already pioneered that approach.
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:20 pmPatterico finally wrote what I have been expecting:
Folks, this is Patterico’s blog. It’s associated with his name. He pays for it. It’s very much like a party to which he welcomes you.
Being courteous is not weak, and the host makes the rules. I simply don’t understand folks who waste their electrons trying to insult Patterico on his own blog. That’s like drinking Patterico’s beer and complaining about it. That kind of churlishness—and it is churlishness—ruins the “party” for everyone. You are free to complain about Patterico’s beer outside his party.
Personally, I think that Patterico has let folks do whatever they like on his dime for too long; it encouraged the trolls who infest this place to increase their noise levels and begin to drown other voices out. Your mileage may vary.
It’s all Gresham’s law, and Patterico’s patience with some of the numbskulls posting here is not even recognized.
Do what you want to, say what you want to, when you pay for it. The least you can do is be polite to the host…even when you disagree with him.
Good Lord, people.
Simon Jester (b07cc1) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:22 pmMr. Reverend this whole Russia thing reminds me of the first year i got here in Chicagoland and i had a lot of shopping to do to fill the cabinets so I went to Jewel and my first visit I had my cart pretty well overflowing
and this old biddy stops me and says “Are you feeding the neighborhood?”
and at first i thought she was normal and i kinda laughed and said ha no I just moved here from LA and I need stuff
and she got real emphatic and she was all grumpy and snarly and said THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN THIS
and i was looking around for help and nobody wanted to help me so I just looked at her and she made some more noises and then she went away
so i get up to pay at the register and they hand me like 30,000 of these monopoly things and I was kinda still a bit dazed so I took them home with me
and I kept getting more of them every time I went
so one day I said ok and started matching up the tickety things with the board they give you
and this was extremely effing tedious to where i had to take breaks, but i wanted to finish, because at some point i got invested
well it turns out this was just the biggest waste of goddamn time and energy you could imagine
now when people at jewel ask me if I play monopoly I say no
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:24 pmIf that were true, I guess it would make me as much of a conservative as Donald Trump, who endorsed Hillary Clinton and bankrolled Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Kerry, Carter, Rangel and Weiner. Sure sounds like a bunch of “dems, socialists and commies” he sided with there, doesn’t it?
Except it’s not true. I agree with the Democrats on exactly one thing: Donald Trump is unfit to be president. He is a liability to conservatism, and a danger to our country.
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:24 pmDCSCA
Is there a proscription against talking down the gross domestic producers of news while on foriegn soil?
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:29 pmWell pikachu you moved to Illinois, that’s like boarding the titanic, after it hit the iceberg.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:29 pmstill no budget yet
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:31 pmThe press should try holding to the “pics or it didn’t happen” standard.
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:31 pmA free press is an idea that sounds great until you see the results. Like a threesome with your SIL.
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:35 pmNow that I think about it, did Jim Acosta ever work for Penthouse Letters?
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:38 pmdingus twatberry Walter Shaub ain’t got no jaub
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:38 pmHappyfeet is probably making bank selling commissary items to former Il governors.
Pinandpuller (2d5457) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:45 pmHe was the one rosenstein had to jump through hoops for, whereas he made excuses for red queen.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:54 pmThis just in:
https://mobile.twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/883014044231360516/video/1
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:56 pmReplace “Blogger” or “Journalist” with butthurt confused old intelligence asset and there you go.
neal (1f0aac) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:08 pmWelcome to Sherwood.
Considering he tore Russia and the left a new one in Poland, your sarcasm is misused.
NJRob (c60c9f) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:13 pmNot when he dislikes the journalist, but ewhen the journalist is causing him trouble, or might cause him serious trouble. He also has to be careful not to do this too often, and not to use the same method of killing too many times.
In China, they arrest people, and if they are obscure, we may not even know. Russia is afreer society than China, that’s why Putin can’t arrest too many journalists – he has to kill them in a deniable way. Sometimes so deniable, the attempt fails.
That happens to politicians who threaten to win elections too.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:24 pmYou’re so concerned Dave. So concerned.
NJRob (c60c9f) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:25 pmI think North Korea is more likely to have learned how to kill Otto Warmbier without technically killing him from Russia, not China, because that’s the kind of thing Putin would do.
Both Russia and China don’t want his regime to fall, because secrets, including secrets of how they helped the regime maintain its control would start tumbling out.
The remedy is to accuse China and Russia of as much human rights violations as possible without that.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:29 pmPatterico,
I appreciate you responding to me directly, but I don’t think you understand my thinking on this and other issues.
You’ve made it clear you hate Trump personally and that colors your feelings on issues regarding him as the President. When he engages in internationalrelations and isn’t insulting America I’m inclined to support him. It’s a far contrast from our previous President. He’s accurate when he admits he needs to deal with unsavory people. But I don’t see him implying he’s jealous of Putin’s ability to murder innocents. He instead repeatedly calls out the leftist media that tries to destroy his Presidency and has called for his impeachment since he was elected.
What has the Times done to earn your trust?
NJRob (c60c9f) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:31 pm@88.Considering he tore Russia and the left a new one in Poland, your sarcasm is misused.
Considering your comment: ‘Fake news.’
“A mad man, your honor, a desperate fool at the end of his pitiful rope.” – Fletcher Reede [Jim Carrey] ‘Liar, Liar’ 1997
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:46 pmso the Washington journal report of the diss is wrong,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:51 pmPatterico: “Since the difference is utterly irrelevant to my point, it would actually undermine my point to acknowledge it.
Let me challenge you, harkin, or you, NJRob, or anyone else here who wants to try: correctly articulate my point and then make a cogent argument as to why the accuracy of the news should be relevant to that point.”
Since the difference is “utterly irrelevant”, I have no idea what your point is. This is my humble opinion.
You challenge me and others to articulate your point, guarantee we will fail, then serve “notice” that anyone who misrepresents your words is in danger of banishment……
I really think your words speak for themselves……but what they’re saying is beyond me.
Btw – this is not a troll, these are my honest thoughts.
harkin (0842fd) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:58 pmI think this is known as comparative advantage:
http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=10581
it’s the way Rockefeller dispatched his competitions,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 3:58 pmthey have a Madison nutroots understanding of democracy over there:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/07/pro-govt-venezuelan-mob-attacks-politicians-journalists-with-sticks-metal-pipes/#comments
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:05 pmWhat do you suppose these two knuckleheads will be bonding over?
crazy (11d38b) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:11 pmBtw – we can all still enjoy common ground, right?
“Last week, more Americans tuned in to watch re-runs of “Yogi Bear,” “Full House,” and “Friends” on Nick At Nite than to watch Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon’s shows on CNN.”
http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/06/ratings-collapse-cnn-now-losing-nick-nite-prime-time-ratings-war/
harkin (0842fd) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:12 pmthe matron of the womans march, who considers hirsi ali inauthentic
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2017/07/06/linda-sarsour-and-her-mentor/
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:14 pmwow with all that sparkle power cnn couldn’t even out-gay espn
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:17 pmI don’t know who’s marketing plan they are using, it’s like when homer designed his brother’s car,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:25 pmthey are a little more subtle, in the wandering coma’s bailiwick,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/oswaldo-payas-death-in-cuba-two-years-ago-still-awaits-a-proper-investigation/2014/07/21/b0ac9612-0bb8-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html?utm_term=.f0a70aa4d388
there are parallels with lambrakis, if you get my meaning,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:29 pm“And I’m no lefty. I’m one of the handful of conservatives left here. You’re the one backing the guy who endorsed Clinton and bankrolled Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Kerry, Carter, Rangel and Weiner.”
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 2:08 pm
Yada, yada… I don’t find people who insist they are “one of the handful of conservatives left here” to be of good faith. Sanctimonious, yes… of good faith and credible, Hell no.
Colonel Haiku (993483) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:31 pmhis concern is touching, coronello, and utterly sincere, is disco duck and superdave, the same person, enquiring minds want to know,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:34 pmthe propaganda slut media
it’s on the ropes like never before
in a way people never imagined possible
and we have Donald Trump to thank for this
liberation
he is so good
he is so good
cnn anderson cooper fake news i got your katrina right here
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:34 pm@99. Meaningless.
When it rains it gets wet.
“In the summer, volume of TV viewing is typically lower than in other parts of the year.”- http://www.agbnielsen.com
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:35 pmmsnbc is a train wreck, like the last fifteen minutes of the lone ranger, but cnn is like cold tapioca
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:39 pmcnn anderson cooper fake news is counting on rain to put out their dumpster fire
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:40 pmbtw they are rerunning the shannara chronicles on spike of all things,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:45 pmWhat does any of this have to do with your original complaint: that I didn’t say the Russian journalists Putin murders are accurate, while the American journalists Trump criticizes are not?
I argue that one key difference between the two leaders is that Putin murders journalists while Trump merely criticizes them. Since these approaches are so different as to be worlds apart, it is sickening to contemplate even the (unproved) possibility that Trump might commiserate with Putin about “fake news.”
Unless you are prepared to argue that journalistic malfeasance merits murder, then it matters not a whit to my point whether the journalists are accurate or not. The point is that there would be no justification for commiserating with someone who murders journalists — whether the journalists he murders are good ones or bad ones.
Dwelling on the merits of the murdered or criticized journalists distracts from that point. Thus, your complaint that I did not talk about the relative merits of US vs. Russian journalists shows that you did not understand my point.
harkin, to his credit, admits that he did not understand my point.
So, I just explained it to both of you.
Feel free, if you think it appropriate, to retract your criticism, if you now agree that it made no sense in light of the point I was actually making.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:46 pmI hope the previous comment gave you some idea, then.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:48 pmapparently that’s its new home
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:52 pmAll US journalists could be awesome and all Russian journalists could suck and I would still oppose
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:55 pmTrump commiserating about fake news with a guy who murders journalists. Meaning the quality of the journalism is 100% irrelevant to this point. I do not know how to make this point any simpler than that.
yes, the previous president struck deals with every anti American regime on the planet, he had more enmity for james rosen, than the kim dynasty, brokered a massive bribe to the sepah, rewarded the murderers of Osvaldo paya, not to mention the btr crew, the people whispering to harris, entous, haberman, et al, were the facilitators of all of this,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 4:55 pmbut this is a chimera what you are opposing
there are no proof it exist
what commiserate
there are no commiserate
and if a commiserate is not spontaneous, flowing from the natural emotional dynamics of an unguarded moment
is it even truly a commiserate at all?
we have entered a hall of mirrors
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:01 pmTwo people close to Mr. Trump said they expected the men to bond over their disdain for “fake news.
Neither Trump nor Putin disdain fake news. They love fake news. Putin, in particular, spends millions and millions of rubles to spread fake news all over the world. Trump, being a cheapskate, lets Drudge, Alex Jones, Roger Stone and his horde of tame bloggers do it for him. What they hate is other people’s news, fake or real, which contradicts their own fake news.
nk (dbc370) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:04 pm— How do you separate a Trump and a Putin who have bonded?
nk (dbc370) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:05 pm— With a crowbar.
it’s rather silly comparing this crew of rizzotto tray carriers like those mentioned above, with politskayava, Litvinenko, or nemtsov, the last was a thinly disquised target in the second bourne film,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:09 pmFinally someone agrees. Yes, it would be ridiculous to compare them. Not so much because of the quality of the journalism but because the dangers Russians face are much greater.
That is why bonding with Putin over fake news would be monstrous. There is no comparison.
Thank you
You understood you were supporting my position right?
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:16 pmPaul Kane / Washington Post:
One reason the GOP health bill is a mess: No one thought Trump would win
surely he must mean except for Putin
but why doesn’t he say that
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:20 pmDonald Trump is unfit to be president. He is a liability to conservatism, and a danger to our country.
LOL. Cool story bro!
Blah (44eaa0) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:22 pmI dissent from that view, because that is exactly the comparison they intend, the difference between vendetta and reality, is there is a real threat, a hydra that keeps arising.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:23 pmOur Left is a much greater danger to the USA than Putin will ever be. The rest is pure BS and hyperbole.
Blah (44eaa0) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:23 pm124… I could be wrong, been very busy, but I remember that point being made around these frequently in the past. Not so much any more.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:28 pmAround these parts
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:28 pmI don’t know the purpose of the gop anymore, besides my congressman, and cruz and a few others they seem out to lunch, or for themselves,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:29 pmYou do have to give the NYTimes credit for one thing, this “bond over their disdain for fake news” meme is creating all sorts of mental turbulence, even from people who don’t put a lot of stock in it actually happening.
I would bet that the Times would consider that Mission Accomplished
harkin (0842fd) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:31 pmThe DNC may finally feel the Bern:
“Jared Beck, a Harvard Law graduate and one of the several attorneys who filed the suit against the DNC and its former chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz, wants retribution for donations made by supporters to the Vermont senator’s campaign, citing six legal claims of the DNC’s deceptive conduct, negligent misrepresentation and fraud. The DNC violated Article 5, Section 4 of its own charter by working with a single campaign to effectively choose who would win the Democratic ballot, the attorneys stated in the suit.”
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-rigged-hillary-clinton-dnc-lawsuit-donald-trump-president-609582
harkin (0842fd) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:35 pmI could be wrong, but I remember a time when people around here espoused conservative principles rather than smooching the expansive behind of a lifelong Democrat who funded Hillary, whose administration orders teachers and students to use a transgender student’s preferred pronoun and who denounces a non-repeal of ObamaCare as too “mean.”
Not so much any more!
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:36 pmI have pointed out how Netanyahu, who we rather uniformly admire, gets all sorts of carp, from not only the left typified by haaretz, but segments of the maximalist right, and he is afflicted with a clique of left political persecutors, now going after him for times to oliver stone’s producer pal, arnon milchan, what goal they hope to achieve, crickets, and then we have uribe, the very stylistic antithesis of trump, who straightened out Colombia as much as such thing can be had, and what travails he had, from the same crew of persecutors as well as the press, uribe derangement even strikes a very capable novelist I’ve referred to on occasions,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:39 pmKudos to Sarah Wildman at Vox for finally defining what it means to be alt-Right. I couldn’t have done a better job myself:
‘Trump’s speech in Poland sounded like an alt-right manifesto “For family, for freedom, for country, and for God.”‘
More good news: my copy of Milo Yiannopoulos’ book, Dangerous, arrived in the mail today! Please do as I did and use Patterico’s link for your purchase.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:40 pmI guess dreiband’s nomination doesn’t matter then, for he holds explicitly the opposite viewpoint, frankly it would have been better that he represented terrorists, like jeh Johnson, who showed which way his sympathies lie.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:42 pmIt’s nice to have you back, Pat. Welcome home!
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:43 pmYeah and I remember when a person who claimed to be conservative supported traditional marriage and understood that going weak in the knees about same sex was not the right choice.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:45 pmYeah and I remember when I enjoyed reading your comments. It’s becoming a more and more distant memory.
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:49 pmThat was a good speech, Thor. But then Trump had to rise to the bait on the Russian interference in the election question.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:50 pmugh trannies with their tranny pronouns
why can’t they just go to special tranny schools
far away
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:51 pmThat’s been quite a while now, Patterico. Probably at least dates back to when Cruz dropped out. Which disappointed me a great deal. But it clearly devastated you.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:53 pmit’s a riddle wrapped inside an puzzle, inside an enigma, and crowdstrike has made it so, and the department of national intelligence has ratified it, and hence it makes the latter very unreliable if they vouch for a lie and ignore the truth,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:54 pmYeah and I remember when a person who claimed to be conservative supported traditional marriage and understood that going weak in the knees about same sex was not the right choice.
traditional marriage is so good
but gay marriage is equally just as good Mr. Colonel
plus we have to support gay people so the predatory trannies don’t try to do conversion on them
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:55 pmThat’s still true Colonel. Ya know, just because someone claims to be a conservative doesn’t necessarily make him one. To be honest many lefties *claim* to identify as girls when they’re not, Indians when they’re not, black when they’re not so why not conservative when they’re not? I mean if something as biologically non-fluid as gender can be seen as fluid in their eyed something as incidental as political philosophy surely can. Even the fascist left who calls themselves *antifa* proves that.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:56 pmugh be careful the police keep catching this tranny at our cvs trying to steal these special women vitamins he likes to take cause of they make him feel pretty
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 5:58 pmRising to the bait is who he is; it is what he does.
I’ve had a number of friends over the years from New York/New Jersey. Not knowing when to shut up is a common failing.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:00 pm94, I was drawn to Washington Journal link, not in celebration of the now dis-proven deed, but because it seems to me beyond mere coincidence our President acts weird around blondses in red dresses.
urbanleftbehind (80321b) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:02 pmI Owe Trump An Apology
“President Donald Trump is doing the right thing in foreign policy. And he is doing it well. I owe the president an apology, because I didn’t believe he would follow a foreign policy that would advance our interests and our values.
I am guilty of having made assumptions. Having listened to Trump’s public statements before becoming president, I assumed the following: (1) A Trump administration would refuse to support NATO, putting the security of the free world at risk by tempting the Russians to attack Europe; (2) Cries for human rights would fall on deaf ears, debasing our moral standing and creating an atmosphere where evil regimes could commit ever-greater atrocities with impunity; (3) Trump would be susceptible to disinformation that confuses the pursuit of American foreign policy objectives.
I have never been so happy to have been proven wrong. “
http://www.dailywire.com/news/18336/i-owe-trump-apology-spyridon-mitsotakis
harkin (0842fd) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:05 pmWell, Hoagie… I understand how folks can be very disappointed in the results of the last election cycle and I can also understand how they can make themselves believe that the constant tearing down of the fellow in office is a well-intentioned, altruistic effort to hold that person accountable. What I find troubling is how they can’t seem to understand that their efforts help feed the leftwing beast that has a far less noble objective in mind… the removal of a duly elected president and they would go to more extremes if they could get away with it. I have no doubts about that.
And I want nothing to do with it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:13 pmi don’t get how the same CNN Anderson Cooper fake news propaganda sluts what shredded their own credibility for to elect Hillary Clinton (lotsa stolen debate questions)
i don’t get how they can make fun of Jared Kushner’s voice
that seems kinda beyond ironic to me
plus not only is it way better than stinkypig’s cackle it’s a perfectly fine voice and they haven’t even heard his so-mad-i-could-strangle-a-hooker pimp daddy voice yet
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:13 pm144… I’m sure that has something to do with it.
I remain hopeful that the good will outweigh the bad and that the Republican-controlled Congress will get off its fat ass, stop colluding with those who wish to maintain their position at the feeding trough and do what needs to be done: healthcare and tax reform, continue rolling back all vestiges of Obama Malaise, return education to state and local control, repeal of Hollywood tax breaks, get these GD bureaucrats out of people’s lives, spending cuts, and reduction of the federal workforce.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:22 pmI remember vaguely when Vanderbilt and griffin were on the same ridiculous reality show, then for reasons unclear they brought both to the mainland,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:24 pmWhy are you guys so anti-business? Don’t you care how much money the Kushners will lose if transvestites stop buying Ivanka’s Chinese schlock? That’s not only heartless, it’s positively Communist.
nk (dbc370) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:24 pmAnd what will poor Melania do if only straight guys will design her clothes?
nk (dbc370) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:26 pmit’s gonna be ok i promise
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:30 pmBasically Colonel, that’s all I’ve been trying to say. I was a Scott Walker supporter in the primaries but once Trump was chosen to represent us I had to go along with my fellow Republicans to defeat that Hillary thing. But I have to admit my liking of the guy grows daily when I watch how he makes all the people I loathe go nuts. Hey, he ain’t “pretty” but he’s ours. And you know what? Maybe at this point in our history we need a guy who is coarse enough to call the left out for exactly what it is. God knows the likes of Romney or McCain or Paul won’t.
We’ve been the party that played nice while the left crapped all over us. Maybe Trump can make a little back-crapping on the left for a change. Look, our country was and still is going down the crapper. That started long before Trump. But if he can maybe shake a little sense into the culture and make people see the utter pathology of leftist propaganda maybe we stand a small chance of rescuing our republic from becoming a second-world socialist sex-fest.
Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:30 pmCan you imagine if Donahue and his chamber of cuckservatives would have gotten that dud jebby elected?
mg (31009b) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:32 pmAmericans dodged a killer bullet. Thank You Mr. President.
God knows the likes of Romney or McCain or Paul won’t.
McCain Warns Against Repealing Obamacare Without Replacement
#theydidsomethingtohisbrain
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:34 pmyes in the end you can’t trust the lizards, but you have keep the wrong lizard out,
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.800079
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:36 pm“McCain Warns Against Repealing Obamacare Without Replacement”
There is NO excuse for these clowns to not be in a position to get this done. There is so much riding on it and they had so long to put it together. NO excuse. Time for a leader like Cruz to grab the bull by the horns and show some leadership… take no prisoners!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:42 pmtake no prisoners!
lol
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:45 pm“… the West will never, ever be broken… Our values will prevail. Our people will thrive. And our civilization will triumph.”
I appreciate those words and I pray they were heartfelt.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 6:48 pmwords fail,
https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/883066502202699778
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:04 pmAt 146: this not quite a 180 turn and concilatory as your link, but notable nonetheless, considering his cool grandpa resurgence among the left: http://theweek.com/speedreads/710279/trump-critic-dan-rather-deems-trumps-speech-poland-best-presidency
urbanleftbehind (80321b) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:04 pmAt least Jason Whitlock cancels him out, Nars.
urbanleftbehind (80321b) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:06 pmGetting the Cain/West treatment: http://www.yahoo.com/tv/fox-business-network-suspends-making-003013892.html
urbanleftbehind (80321b) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:11 pmRead in the sing-song voice that says “I didn’t write this and I barely understand it” (“and in titties”…).
There is nothing heartfelt about Donald Trump.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:21 pmwhy you have to ruin everything
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:22 pmI’ve remarked in the past, that scotty hughes is nothing but trouble, and she proved the poinr, how is that exactly harassment however?
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:23 pmthe girly murdoch boys have started some icky deeply weird witch hunt
logic is not driving this train
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:26 pmno, Pikachu this is about neutering any opposition to their globalist schemes, to get sky on to European networks, a coals to new castle exercise,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:30 pmi don’t actually have cable
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:32 pmWhen Trumps Americans have a supreme court they have been waiting for, they will be applauding one great president. His heart feels for all of us because of the ridiculous b.s. d.c. lawyers have dumped on the American taxpayer. Ought to be a law against lawyering.
mg (31009b) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:33 pmIf the lady says it’s harassment, it’s harassment. I really don’t have much sympathy for guys who can’t keep it in their pants when they’re supposed to be giving their employer a full day’s work for a full day’s pay.
nk (dbc370) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:38 pm@160. Oy vey.
@165… the West will never, ever be broken… Our values will prevail. Our people will thrive. And our civilization will triumph.”
Patterico… seems we’ve seen and heard about this ‘triumph of the will’ thingy before.
Haven’t we.
“Truth is the basis on which the power of the press stands and falls. Our only demand of the foreign press and our own press is that they report the truth about Germany.” – Otto Dietrich, ‘Triumph Of the Will’ 1935
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:40 pmright you got amazon, or is it hulu:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-remarkable-speech-in-poland/article/2627946?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
if they hadn’t pulled that digital scam, so you can’t even watch the standard package, I wouldn’t have it either,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:42 pmTrump wanted his sister on the Supreme Court, mg. Gorsuch and others like him, including Patterico, are the principled conservative lawyers you say you want a law against.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:52 pmare we sure he graduated from yale:
https://twitter.com/PeterBeinart/status/883099320517513216
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:58 pmTrump is giving another brilliant performance as a world leader, as he visits Europe. I’m pleased. We all should be.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:06 pmIt’s called Western civilization, ASPCA. The fascist left hates it. The Nazis were National Socialists and you’d fit right in… if it wasn’t for your incurable deformity of teh soul.
“Que pasa, people, que pasa… Hit me!”
— James Brown
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:07 pm172… there’d have to be time and a half or some double time involved. 24 hour shift is brutal.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:10 pm“There is nothing heartfelt about Donald Trump.”
Patterico (a048af) — 7/6/2017 @ 7:21 pm
There were dolts that said the same of Reagan.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:12 pmHe had a uncle who was a physicist connected to tesla as well,,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:12 pmAnd who doesn’t like titties!?!? Lol
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:15 pmYes, the West is Europe and Christianity. What of it?
nk (dbc370) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:15 pmthis is so beautifully expressed
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:17 pmMany of us work in fields in which the best argument isn’t the most heart-felt. It is the one that produces the desired result.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:18 pm184… that about sums up Gov. Grandpa Simpson Brown, feets.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:23 pmTrump’s speech was good.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:25 pmI can’t remember a single time I have been praised by a client because my losing argument was heart-felt.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:26 pmExcept his love for himself.
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:29 pmThat’s what they said about Obama, ThOR 177. I support Trump’s message today but we don’t need another leader who thinks his role is to perform.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:29 pmAw your are funny Dave:
https://www.weaselzippers.us/347520-tucker-carlson-asks-how-did-maxine-waters-afford-4-3-million-home/
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:33 pmAnd just like that, Beinart sh!ts away his attaboy moment from a week ago: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
urbanleftbehind (80321b) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:34 pmI can count on one hand the number of national political leaders in my lifetime who are not first and foremost performers. Reagan was a supreme performer. Thanks to a life on stage and screen, he made it look like he wasn’t performing. Of the 17 +/- candidates for the Republican nomination in the past cycle, only one strikes me as a non-performer – Ted Cruz. It was always fun to watch Ted try to perform. I love him for his awkwardness, though it is the reason he failed to garner the nomination.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:38 pmBeinatt is re r one eyed man in the new America foundation, this is a group that includes max blunebtal, hence thevqualifier
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:40 pmI don’t recall that watching him face-plant during his Iowa victory speech was “fun”.
In fact it was one of the saddest and most depressing half-hours of my life.
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:55 pm@178. Haiku! Gesundheit!
=yawn=
“…the West will never, ever be broken… Our values will prevail. Our people will thrive. And our civilization will triumph.”
“It is our will that this state shall endure for a thousand years. We are happy to know that the future is ours entirely!”
Herr Colonel ist in lock-step to goose-step.
“Float like a butterfly. Sting[s] like a bee.” – Muhammad Ali
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 8:57 pm@195- I don’t recall that watching him face-plant during his Iowa victory speech was “fun”.
OTOH explaining a ‘basketball ring’ to Indiana voters was quite funny.
Canadians. eh.
“They’re not even a real country, anyway…”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXsWQAI2j4
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:05 pm@197
A classic:
Perky Canada Has Own Government, Laws
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:08 pmoops, forgot the scare quotes around ‘Canada’…
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:08 pmRemember when there was fheadfake that trump was going to dwell on the concession from Hillary, what actually happened that day.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:20 pmTrump is on firmer ground. Western civilization has already lasted for about 2,500 years. (As a lawyer, I prefer Lucius Junius Brutus as the benchmark since our laws are directly descended from the Roman Republic, but you can pick Christ and I won’t object.) It is the dominant civilization on the planet. Even the Emperor of Japan appears in public in a necktie invented in Renaissance Venice by Croatians (hence “cravat”).
nk (dbc370) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:23 pmDis not know that part, about the cravat
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:37 pmDon’t take them too seriously guys. They are mentally ill.
Old saying a billionaire once told me as I argued with him about some thing we needed to do because it was the right thing …. he said “would you rather be rich or right.”
Point being Trump is the “rich” in that equation and “right” happens to be Ted Cruz.
Get over it ladies and enjoy the good which comes from our first Troll President. He is actually pushing us right ward as a Natio …. and that is what is “rich” about the Trump choice because arguing over arcane conservative principles and Ben Sasse’ing everyone with his Harvard regalia or wishing for TED is useless virtue signaling many deem “right”
Enemy of good is perfect.
Blah (44eaa0) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:39 pmSometimes they think they are to clever by balf
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesagencycouncil/2017/07/06/is-your-marketing-team-using-fake-news/#cb84b15362d2
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:42 pmOh this will cAuseheads to explode:
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:48 pmhttp://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Trump-moves-to-open-more-public-land-to-drilling-11271227.php
I don’t understand why you feel the need to express this in the way you did. Trump is going to need to negotiate with Putin, no matter how evil a SOB Putin is. He controls Russia, a huge nuclear arsenal and a nation of corrupt souls. This isn’t Obama cozying up to Iran and Cuba. This is the same as Bush and Trump dealing with Saudi Arabia.
Do you expect Trump to call Putin evil publicly and say he will never work with him? Do you think that Trump wishes he could murder journalists the way Putin did?
I don’t see my criticism as invalid unless you really believe Trump wants to kill those that criticize him. If you do, we are worlds apart. If you don’t, then it’s just semantics and we disagree how to criticize Trump when it comes to domestic and foreign acts.
NJRob (7f4bec) — 7/6/2017 @ 9:50 pmClose the Department of Education. Return decision-making to the states. Get rid of any BS gender claims. You are your sex and will be identified as such.
There is no such thing as homosexual marriage as holy matrimony requires a man and a woman and God blessing that union.
Reagan was a lifelong Democrat till he wasn’t.
NJRob (7f4bec) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:01 pmI pointed two [f the nutroits visions prevalent in cinema, before say inter sildierwhich mined the whole Snowdon narrative. V for vendetta has to posit the notion, popular in that schenkken screwed building the all that islamust terror is a little evil. Bourne by his second film posits the notion is droning or other rise eliminating.target not it of zecurity consideration but out of expedience and corrupt motive hence nemtski a maverick Russian exiled leader who had called out corruption
narciso (d1f714) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:04 pm@201 nk
Hey who invented the Columbian Necktie?
Pinandpuller (a08ab0) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:30 pm@104 Colonel Haiku
Did you know that paying for Amazon Prime is bankrolling Jeff Bezos? It’s true.
Whoops.
Pinandpuller (a08ab0) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:38 pm@108 narciso
How could you say that? Cold tapioca is not an abomination,
Pinandpuller (a08ab0) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:42 pmHey who invented the Columbian Necktie?
Pinandpuller (a08ab0) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:30 pm
Johnnie Cochran!
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 7/6/2017 @ 10:51 pmI have no doubt that he does (not that he dwells on it, because he knows he can’t, but given the choice of living in a world where he could, I don’t think he would hesitate for even a second).
Remember, this is a guy who praised the leaders of China after the Tienanmen massacre.
Dave (711345) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:37 pm@195 Dave
Carly was the one who face-planted but we feel your pain.
Pinandpuller (a08ab0) — 7/6/2017 @ 11:50 pmDonald Trump invented cravat MAGA!
Goodnight everybody!
Pinandpuller (a08ab0) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:12 amThere were. What a great and logical argument! If someone said the same thing about someone else and it was wrong, you are also wrong when you say it about this guy!
You are not worth taking to any more. Dustin was right about you.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:19 amDo you think I should be forced to waste my time responding to straw man arguments?
I don’t know, frankly. You seem to forget that he has praised totalitarian governments for murdering people, calling it “tough.” It’s one of the reasons I hate him. He is amoral.
But your question is supremely irrelevant to the point in my post, which has zero zip zilch nada to do with a claim that Trump wants to murder journalists, and everything to do with an argument that Putin actually does.
I don’t see your criticism as valid unless you think the quality of their journalism s relevant to the morality of murdering a journalist.
But you would understand that already if you had actually bothered to try to process what I said. I patiently explained my point at length and you stilll don’t seem to care to try to understand, so I won’t waste my time re-explaining.
You seem to think it has to do with saying Trump wants to murder journalists (wrong) or that it has to do with whether US journalists are accurate (wrong) and my actual point is something you just aren’t interested in trying to understand. So forget it. I’m sorry I wasted my time trying to explain, honestly.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:32 amYou know what? I am going to stop reading or engaging in the comments for a while. It adds nothing to my life.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:33 amI’d also like to re-extend my open invitation to people who don’t like the fact that I refuse to kiss Donald Trump’s giant ass enough to suit them. There are plenty of people out there who will pander to you. I think you’d be happier reading them. If that is your opinion of me, I don’t want to talk to you any more and I don’t want you here. You’re not happy and I’m not happy, so find a Trump ass-kisser to drool over and leave me alone.
Sound good? OK.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:37 amDonald Trump praised what the Chinese did at Tiananmen Square. Fuck him.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:39 am…and the horse he rode in on.
Dave (711345) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:41 amPamprin max, anyone?
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:49 amhttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/06/bill-de-blasio-skips-police-ceremony-flies-to-germany-to-protest-trump/
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:52 amReal macho dope
Pat, this is admittedly an enormously high bar, but I’ll offer it anyway: WWAD (What Would Andrew Do)?
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/7/2017 @ 1:05 amhttps://townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/2017/07/07/the-ongoing-frustration-of-trumps-conservative-critics-n2351540
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 2:27 amhttp://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/07/06/coburn-will-get-34-states-article-v-constitutional-convention-drain-swamp/
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 2:50 amWasn’t one of Reagan’s most controversial moves to call the Russian dictators “evil”? Granted there are far more startling differences between Reagan, a great man, and Trump, not even really a man at all, but lately I’ve seen so many Trump fans cite Reagan as an example of what Trump is like. Trump ain’t Reagan when it comes to calling Russian dictators what they are.
That’s a great question. I think Andrew Breitbart’s loss is so profound it probably affected who is president today.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:38 amIs there a 25th amendment for DDA’s in Los Angeles county? Asking for a friend. I never go near the place myself.
WTP (4b8668) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:51 amNo, but there’s a ban script on this site that I think Patterico should use to ban you, asshole.
nk (dbc370) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:01 amA55hole (thought those words were filtered out by the spam filter) you call me but I’m the one who should be banned? I thought it was Trump and Trumpkins who were considered to be too thin skinned.
WTP (4b8668) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:07 amThis was when the soviets were doing their thing in afghanusta and Nicaragua and Anglia, when fold like lurch and the solon, were buying their jibe re the nuclear freeze.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:12 amAnd Reagan was denounced by all the leading publications of his day, including the new York time’s insufferable Anthony Lewis, although Abe rosenthal did keep a lid on their stupidity
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:21 amWTP,
You were called an asshole for being one. What is it about you guys? Can’t just disagree with respect, even though you’re a guest. Gotta try to talk about people’s work, or where they’re from, their family if you know. I guess that’s Trump being your leader. You’re going to follow his example of not being a reasonable or respectful person, but instead being a ‘badass’ by bashing people personally.
Asshole.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:22 amPhillip graham wonders why said i ever bother:
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:26 amhttps://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/statuses/883047098727452672
No soup for you:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/07/judge-denies-hawaii-request-to-halt-trump-admin-interpretation-of-scotus-travel-order-ruling/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegalInsurrection+%28Le%C2%B7gal+In%C2%B7sur%C2%B7rec%C2%B7tion%29
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:28 amThe really important relationship:
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/07/trump-pushes-lng-exports-as-trade-policy/
Steve Malynn (d29fc3) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:32 amNote the ignorance preserved for their posterity.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/12/opinion/abroad-at-home-after-andropov.html
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:44 am206 and 207… we’ll said, NJ Rob!
Colonel Haiku (a4b010) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:50 amCan’t just disagree with respect, even though you’re a guest.
Well disagree with what I said, which was an attempt to use a little humor to make a point, but at least I wasn’t using profanity or calling someone an a55hole. Surely you refined characters can express yourselves without resorting to profanity…
But OK…let me make the point in a little cleaner way…or better yet, tell me how to make this point without offending anyone…
The illogic, the vitriol, the profanity, the intolerance of other points of view, expressed here by our host, a man with considerable responsibility in the prosecution of citizens, putting their liberty and property at risk, I find rather disturbing…Especially when much tolerance is shown for the profanity and such of the #NeverTrumpers, etc…but I digress… I exaggerate a little by my reference to the 25th amendment. It was an attempt at a little humor via irony. I would hope/expect better/more tolerance and an ability to see the other side of an argument from a person in his position. Maybe I am expecting too much. Now that I think on it a bit more, from a prosecution perspective, as a citizen I would be concerned that such an approach to thinking, to understanding other points of view, would risk criminals getting off because the prosecution was blind sided due to its lack of perspective.
If stating what I just said gets me banned, well so be it. It would go a little way to proving my point.
WTP (4b8668) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:53 amOh, go find Milo Yiannopoulos and have him teach you how to give better blowjobs to college students, jagoff.
nk (dbc370) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:57 amHas the new York times been right in any policy judgment in the last 40 years, ph o’rpurke noted this back whennhe had a sense of humor.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 5:58 amIn times like these we need more serenity to accept the things we can not change, courage to change the things that we can and wisdom to know the difference.
crazy (11d38b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:02 amOh, go find Milo Yiannopoulos and have him teach you how to give better blowjobs to college students, jagoff.
Ahhh, yes…more of the refined, high-falutin’ talk that is tolerated here, from certain corners anyway. Regular Oxford Union stuff.
WTP (4b8668) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:10 amWise words. Serenity is easier said than done sometimes. I think that explains both the Trump critics and why Trump was elected in the first place. We are not a serene species.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:24 amSteyn:
https://www.steynonline.com/7964/the-will-of-the-west
Steven Malynn (d29fc3) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:24 amThis just in, they shook Hands in Germany.
Women and Children harmed most.
Steven Malynn (d29fc3) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:27 amWTP, how many comments do you plan to write complaining about naughty bad words after saying someone should be fired from their IRL job, creepy bootlicker?
Trump sure makes it seem cool to bash his critics. That CNN video by that antisemite Trump fan sure got some laughs. But at the end of the day, the answer is no. We’re not going to be quiet. We’re going to campaign against Trump when the time comes. Be glad we have a democratic process where the laws are basically respected, because otherwise, Trump wouldn’t have set foot in the white house.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:27 amYes, unlike hezbollah fan girl amampour, or the late Helen Thomas, who said Jews should go back to Poland, jackalope reza arslan who defamed Christians Jews and Hindus,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:35 amI prefer Bush’s speech in Poland 16 years ago to Trump’s, but Americans are probably more receptive to Trump’s message.
DRJ (d35869) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:37 amhow many comments do you plan to write complaining about naughty bad words
What irony…I post a little joke, NT’s take it sooo serious, whine about it, while cursing (hey, I can curse like a sailor myself, but I’m not the one clutching pearls here) so I respond to the complainers. Now I’m the one who’s “complaining”.
Self-awareness…never cared for that term itself but the concept, ohhhh….and this is why we have PDT. Never cared for the guy myself. You can’t always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.
WTP (4b8668) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:37 am245… yes, it is a sad commentary that there is not one other current leader who would say that. Like Trump or despise him, he said what has needed to be said for a long time. It’s a good thing.
Colonel Haiku (a4b010) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:39 ami had nightmares all last night Mr. Putin and President Trump did bondings over the fake news to where they became fake news LOVERS and got a golden retriever
but nope I’m checking all the internets it was just a bad dream
so far anyway
man it’s gonna be a long day
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:39 amIn times like these we need more serenity to accept the things we can not change, courage to change the things that we can and wisdom to know the difference.
Ah, yes! The AA motto. You know it’s talking about accepting or changing the things in you and not in the outside world, right?
Personally, I have no goal to either change Trumpkins, a valueless task, or to accept them, an impossible thing for me to do.
nk (dbc370) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:41 amSo some punk 15 or old kid Dorset even realize he is near beer in the Jew hating inteamurals, then one can go over to MSNBC where Al jazerra vet moheyeldin defames chris kyle or Malcolm nuance the worse seal since Jesse ventura
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:42 amWTP, those tears will just wipe away. It’s going to be OK. If it’s this upsetting to you that people do not like Trump, perhaps you should stop talking about people losing their jobs and just go google puppy photos or surf one of those antisemite sites you Trump guys love so much. Maybe there’s a Stormfront thread where you guys even share puppy photos. Not sure, but you should find out and tell Hoagie and the CNN video kid.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:44 amHenry luce concurs with Phillip graham:
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:54 amhttps://mobile.twitter.com/TIME/status/883119991406678020
Then I’ll help you not be disturbed. You just crossed the line and you are gone.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:55 am” or surf one of those antisemite sites you Trump guys love so much.
You mean the anti-Semite poster at Reddit that CNN threatened to DOX and who Buzzfeed says wasn’t even the source of the gif which Trump tweeted?
harkin (536957) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:58 amyes harkin, I mean that antisemite.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:03 amWTP 239:
I’ve only asked that one person be banned from this website and I regretted it as soon as I asked. I will never regret saying good riddance to you because you seem incapable of seeing other points of view.
DRJ (d35869) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:11 am“I disagree with the way this fella won’t smooch Trump’s posterior therefore he is bad at his job” is the express ticket to Bansville.
A sincere and detailed apology of the sort Trumpers cannot deliver is the only train out of that town.
So long, WTP! You work here is done. [sic, inside joke]
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:12 amnk@253. Consider the perspective, or not, as you will. The twelve-steppers may have adopted them decades ago but they’re only useful to those sick and tired of being sick and tired, not for those who enjoy it.
crazy (11d38b) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:15 am“yes harkin, I mean that antisemite”
Kind of ironic, an anti-Semite targeted by an anti-journalism circular firing squad.
harkin (0842fd) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:22 amHere’s a thought, WTP:
You don’t have to attack how people do their jobs just because they disagree with you about Trump. It is possible to agree with some of what Trump says and does, but still believe he is making mistakes or can’t be trusted.
For instance, Trump’s speech yesterday in Poland was good but he was still saying ignorant things. maybe he was joking — I’m sure that is what he will claim — or maybe he does not know as much about international trade as he claims. My guess is both are true. But the point is that leaders are supposed to provide good information to the press and the public, not constantly act like entertainers or celebrities. We didn’t like it when Obama did it and some of us don’t like it when Trump does it.
DRJ (d35869) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:22 amI do find it telling that Trumper WTP is willing to suggest that a single profanity from me, criticizing Donald Trump’s praise for murder by a totalitarian government, makes me unfit for my job.
Yet if you were to ask WTP if the insane drivel that emanates from the mouth and Twitter account of Donald J. Trump suggests that he might not be fit to be the leader of the free world, WTP and other Trump-fluffing hacks would look you in the eye and tell you that everything he says is supremely irrelevant. It is only what he does that matters.
They would find no contradiction because Trump!
They don’t pretend to be logical. All that mattters is supporting the Dear Leader.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:25 amBut it’s not a cult.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:25 amWhen he complains far and wide about being banned, will WTP be honest regarding what he said about Patterico and the reason Patterico gave him for banning him?
I’m betting he won’t. He will claim he was banned because he supports Trump and Patterico doesn’t.
DRJ (d35869) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:26 amYes,forty years of taking the times seriously leaves gaps in ones,understanding
narciso (b3b641) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:32 amHe will. But the presence of so many Trump supporters who remain will show the claim to be a lie.
I’ll bet there’s not another site on the Internet that has as much give and take as this one, much of it intelligent if you can learn to bypass the Trumper chaff, and much of it contradicting the host’s point of view.
Most sites systematically eliminate opposition over time and I am proud that I have not.
I won’t ban someone simply for being a jerk (which all ardent Trumpers are). I do not want an echo chamber and I do not have one.
But I am very tired of having people misrepresent what I say. Correcting stuff like that is a giant waste of my valuable time.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:33 am206 & 207:
Very well stated.
harkin (0842fd) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:37 amSo Don finally met Vlad. Was their party condemning fake news open to Joe & Mika?
harkin (0842fd) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:38 am217 was even more well stated as a response to the illogical and irrelevant 206 and 207 but let’s just ignore what the host wrote and insult him instead because Trump
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:43 amTrump said it was an “honor” to meet the murderer Putin.
Kinda beta if you ask me
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:44 amHappy, at #143 – I guess Clay Aiken did manage to get to Congress after all. Lindsay disease travels west through Tenessee via the Haslam/Corker mob onto Oklahoma – the OKC mayor ( a rare R mayor of a major city) is another weird bird in this vein.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:56 amthe unseriousness of these goofballs is what bugs me the most Mr. ulb
it’s disheartening
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 8:12 amI fail to see any irony unless you are suggesting there is something about journalism and jews.
I just believe is personal responsibility. The guy harassing people for being Jews is a bastard. The CNN people threatening to dox a troll are bastards. There is no binary choice. Those who cannot get beyond ‘but the other side is the worse boogeyman’ are lazy.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 8:59 amYou criticized me claiming I was arguing against a strawman and not against your claim, but you twist my words to claim that my argument is only valid if I believe it is acceptable to murder journalists who tell lies.
I posted the differences between Trump’s actions regarding journalists and Putin’s to further accuentate the differences between them. Not to say it was acceptable if the scenario was slightly different. If that wasnt obvious, accept my clarification now.
If your article was truly about Putin and his murderous actions, why did you waste time attacking Trump at the end of it. Yout remarks on what an evil and murderous b-tard Putin is were entirely correct. Your remarks on how untrustworthy the Times is were entirely correct. But then you close your remarks acting like the Times post was completely truthful and bludgeoning the President for it.
What was the need for it? To get a rise out of people who support Trump and attaboys from those who hate him? Was it cathartic because of your personal disgust for the man?
I enjoy this site because it allows differences of opinion and because you engage those differences in the comments. We agreed on most everything till the Nov 8th election. I will support the President when he is right, and criticize him, as I did above, when he is wrong. What I will not do is trust the media that has made it their goal since Nov 8th to overturn the election and install their preferred candidate. As currently constituted, the press is a danger to the free people of this nation and platforms such as yours are the place for calling them out and getting the truth out to people. The Dog Trainer knows that well.
I’m ignoring your insult because it was said in the best of a discussion and because I’m doing my best to ignore the other individual you mentioned for the sake of comity.
NJRob (5be766) — 7/7/2017 @ 9:05 amHeat of a discussion*
NJRob (5be766) — 7/7/2017 @ 9:07 amApproaching 300 comments on a hypothetical conversation, underpinned by typical NY Times reporting (“Sources say…..”), and conservatives are at each other’s throats. Mission accomplished.
Lenny (5ea732) — 7/7/2017 @ 9:38 amLenny, Trump supporters are conservative? How?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/7/2017 @ 10:10 amI doubt the Times reads this.
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:01 pmShocker: looks like Trumpy McTrumpster did whine to Putin about the media after all. This is my favorite joke about it:
http://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/883400491069198336
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:06 pm@273. He does have a knack to cheapen value of the term, ‘honor.’
“It’s an honor to do your show, Howard.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:06 pm“It’s an honor to be on Fox and Friends.”
“It’s an honor to use your bathroom.”
“It’s an honor to be with you, Vlad.”
NJRob,
I truly do not mean to twist your words. But we seem to be talking past each other. My point was that, if you understood my point, you would see that the issue of the quality of the journalism is irrelevant — and therefore, your criticism of me for failing to discuss that issue is off target.
By saying that your argument is relevant to my point only if you believe it is acceptable to murder journalists who tell lies, I am not claiming you believe it is acceptable to murder journalists who tell lies. I am asserting that you are still talking past, and misunderstanding, my point. Because if you were able to restate my point in a manner I believed fair, you would understand why the quality of the journalism is totally 100% irrelevant to my point.
And I honestly don’t think you are trying hard at all to understand my point. Seemingly, you would rather gloss over it and simply bitch about any negative comment I make towards Trump. To wit:
What is this “acting like”? I said quite clearly in the post that I don’t know whether the report based on anonymous sources is true. The claim in the article was certainly consistent with an administration narrative that all news unfavorable to them is “fake news” — but I also explicitly said I do not put a lot of stock in it.
Why, then, would I post about it? Well: is it ever legitimate to muse on the appropriateness of a potential future presidential action if we don’t know whether it will occur? If we remove our partisan glasses for a moment and pretend we are talking about Obama, it is clear that of course it can be.
Let’s pretend it’s 2009 and President Barack Obama is about to meet with Hugo Chavez. A report citing a single anonymous administration source says Obama plans to bond with Chavez over unfair treatment they both receive from the press. Patterico publishes a post saying that we don’t know if this will actually happen — but if it did, it would be sickening, because of Chavez’s repression of a free press (including imprisoning journalists for expressing anti-Chavez views, fines and destruction of equipment for offending news outlets, etc.).
Would a single commenter here have raised a single eyebrow accusing me of jumping to conclusions about a meeting that hadn’t happened yet? No. People would interpret my post, properly, as cautionary: I don’t know if you’re going to do this or not, Obama — but if you are even thinking about it, don’t. And here’s why.
Would anyone analyzing that argument give a good goddamn whether the journalists in the US or Venezuela were good or bad, if my argument were based purely on Chavez’s totalitarian actions towards a free press? No, because Chavez’s actions are wrong and worse than Obama’s regardless of the quality of the journalism in the US or Venezuela. The quality of the journalism matters not a whit to my point.
Would it matter to my point if, in passing, I noted that Obama (while not as bad as Chavez) is guilty of much more minor thuggery of his own? No, because the point is that commiserating with a monster like a Chavez is inappropriate because Chavez is a monster.
Substitute Trump for Obama and Putin for Chavez and the logic applies — but with greater force, because Putin is a greater monster than Chavez was.
It is very frustrating to spend a lot of time explaining your point, and have someone demonstrate that they aren’t the slightest bit interested in even trying to understand the argument you are making. It makes all of this feel very pointless.
So while your polite response and kind words are nice to read (and I mean that sincerely), I would be far happier to read a comment from you that said: “Here is what I understand Patterico’s position to be” and see my position portrayed accurately. That would make me feel like spending a lot of time interacting with you was not a giant waste of my time.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 12:08 pmThank you for fully explaining your point. Now I see it and understnad what you are trying to say.
My frustration is entirely with the 4th estate and that you would have never heard of any such comisseration between Obama and Chavez because the media would’ve been running interference for him while instead they continually print falsehoods with anonymous sourcing about the current administration.
Knowing how hard you’ve gone after the LA Times in the past, I have a hard time seeing anything they and other leftist sources publish as legitimate and using an “if true” scenario. That is my own issue built up by years of earned distrust from the media. I will try and use good faith in looking at your future arguments before critiquing them in the harshest possible light.
Please understand that those of us who did not support Trump in the primaries, but grudgingly supported him in the general election feel that the vast majority of the media is trying to overturn that election because they were unhappy with the result. And they will resort to any means, legal or otherwise, to make that happen.
As such, I consider the constant stream of anonymous sources leaking hostile information about the President to be nothing less than their attempt to overturn the will of the people of the United States of America.
NJRob (5be766) — 7/7/2017 @ 1:21 pmYes, the media does not like Trump and liked Obama and yes, they lie on Trump and did not lie on Obama. Yes, Trump is also human garbage and there is plenty bad to say about him that is true. And the media says some of that too.
It would be dangerous to fall into the trap of believing every negative thing said about Trump. I get accused of that but the accusations are false.
It would also be dangerous to fall into the trap of discounting literally every bad fact about Ttump because it is reported by the media. I accuse some of the people here of doing that and my accusation is true. Not as to you, and it as to everyone, but as to some. For sure.
That’s what Trump wants. Remember to be skeptical of your government and not just the news media.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 1:32 pmYou are a better man than I, Pat. Surely, Andrew is smiling.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/7/2017 @ 2:55 pm285 – NJRob.
“Please understand that those of us who did not support Trump in the primaries, but grudgingly supported him in the general election feel that the vast majority of the media is trying to overturn that election because they were unhappy with the result. And they will resort to any means, legal or otherwise, to make that happen.
As such, I consider the constant stream of anonymous sources leaking hostile information about the President to be nothing less than their attempt to overturn the will of the people of the United States of America.”
Once again, well stated.
I did not support Trump, either in the primaries or in the general election. Once elected, I support him in every endeavor to lead the nation as a conservative and following those principals. His past behavior and statements are not meaningless (and the main reason I could not vote for him), but I choose to judge him as President by his actions as President.
The anonymous sources are indeed just another tool used by those who seek to overturn a free and fair election and it’s very frustrating watching The New York Times (in this instance) secure the bait, cast, and watch it swallowed hook, line and sinker by people who should know better.
To put it even more simply, the distraction worked and all sorts of foam was expended trashing Trump for something that in the long run matters not a whit. I’d say it’s a win for the Times.
harkin (fcaff0) — 7/7/2017 @ 3:25 pm@280 Dustin:
I did not say Trump supporters were conservative.
When I started to read this blog about 5 years ago, I really enjoyed the posts and the comments. I never commented —- the commenters forced me to think beyond my world view which, for me, was fulfilling.
I just started commenting in the past week or so. I wasn’t sure why. Maybe it was the change in tone, the divisiveness, and, with all due respect to the attorneys, the splitting of hairs. A cynicism has come over me, and I couldn’t quite figure out why until just this past week.
Anyway, you’re picking a fight with the wrong guy.
Lenny (5ea732) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:09 pmIf you have to continue to explain the point you were trying to make, perhaps the original needs more polishing. Ever since our host began cross-publishing at Red State, many posts have that “click-bait-y” feel. If I wanted click-bait, I’d go to Drudge. If I wanted irreverent vulgarity, I’d be at AOSHQ. It used to be I’d come here for logical, well-thought out pieces and sincere discussion. Not so much lately.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:13 pmThen leave.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:22 pmThere is nothing helpful or constructive about your comment. You are either trying to vent or to hurt Patterico, and neither one is good (except for your ego).
DRJ (15874d) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:28 pmOr perhaps people persistently misunderstand it because it conflicts with their comfortable political outlook.
Let’s be honest, “Gobblemom”| you’re not actually complaining about the quality of the writing here. Your real problem is that you support Donald Trump and I dislike him and criticize him.
Don’t try to dress up your naked political dislike for my political position as an objective criticism of my writing style. You might convince Trunpers, who are easily convinced of any position, no matter how illogical, that benefits Donald Trump. But you’re not fooling a single sensible person.
And don’t try to tell me you opposed Donald Trump, but now he’s President and we have to get behind him blah blah blah. Everyone who supports Trump says that. But your behavior is support for him and criticism directed at anyone who criticizes him. Ultimately you know he’s going to screw something up major and you want to be on record as being less than fully on board with him. But like other supporters of his inanity, your behavior will be remembered and you will ultimately have to face your mistake.
The great part is, when that happens, will people come back and apologize? No, they will leave in even greater droves, because my very existence will serve as a reminder of their mistakes.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:48 pmGobblemom is a Trumper.
Patterico (a048af) — 7/7/2017 @ 4:49 pmOh dear. Patterico, I tried to make an honest assessment of your recent writing and suggest that perhaps a little more polishing before publishing would make your point more effectively. Nothing that I haven’t recommended to students who are trying to write more effective persuasive essays. I assume (and shame on me) that this is the purpose of this blog. I find the bold print to be as tedious as ALL CAPS and rather click-bait-y. I also find the constant outrage to be contrived rather than scrupulous. So actually, I am complaining about the quality of the writing. I may not be a constant presence but I have been lurking for many years and have long appreciated the insight you have offered and the depth of the discussions. You know, if enough long-term commenters are complaining, perhaps there is a valid reason why. Would you rather have honest critique or a bobble head that agrees with you?
Am I a Trumper? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I quit carrying a political label since the “compassionate conservative” got waylaid by Bush 43. Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Independants…I’ve voted for them all (except Greens…shudder). Am I encouraged by some of Trump’s actions? Yes. Je suis Charlie Gard. Do I roll my eyes at others? Nearly daily. Am I offended by him? Not so much, as my outrage meter broke years ago and I’ve become so very cynical to my dismay. So what? Not my 1st, 2nd, or even 14th choice, but that’s democracy in all of it’s wonderful, wacky, and often very messy glory. The point is, if you are trying to disparage me, you’d have to work a lot harder (and, hmmm, I’d have to wonder why…).
Seriously, if you are so unhappy being at this blog, just close it down. If you can’t be a happy warrior, get out of the game. Life it too short to keep pulling out your own fingernails.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:05 pmRe: 291-292
Dear Darling DRJ – if I was trying to vent and be nasty, I’d tell you to get a larger lint roller because after all of your tongue-bathing, you’re going to have a lot of hair to remove from your mouth. But I’m not. I really used to have a great time reading, and learning, here. Now it seems as PP’s has fundamentally changed. It is less a place to discuss, and more a place to experience condescension and outrage…gosh, that sounds so progressive.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:16 pmGobblemom is awesome like a blossom on a possum cause of she makes punctuation look so deceptively easy
and also because she is lovely sincere and direct
plus her name is Gobblemom
let’s review:
– awesome blossom possum (with punctuate)
– articulate
– “gobblemom”
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:23 pmare you from cuero?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:30 pmThere’s somebody who publishes at Amazon Kindle Unlimited as “Kenya Swallow”. No, no, no, don’t look it up! You’ll be sorreee! It’s NSFW, too. I got it when I searched for “Black Mask”.
nk (dbc370) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:31 pmAnd there’s no way I’m doing a search for “Gobblemom”, neither.
nk (dbc370) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:34 pmi was never supportive of the kindle limitations
i’m glad we’ve moved past that
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:35 pmOh Mr Happyfeet – if you’re trying to make me blush, it won’t work. I’m cynical and post-menopausal. But if you’d like to admire a comment, let me get the possum off my keyboard and lay some alliteration on you:
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:38 pmPrior and proper preparation prevents Mr P’s poor performance.
I’m not from cuero, but I might be in Cuervo.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:39 pmwhat were you think, and you have narrow your search to mysteries,
speaking of, I thought the showtime adaptation of quarry was decidedly near beer,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:39 pmprobably why they won’t do Collins most popular series,
oh
well being from not-cuero has its advantages too I’ve heard 🙂
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:41 pmthis says it was cinemax
i’ve racked up a lot of mississippi crossings but i’m kind of a completist
i want so bad to do a road trip where i do every bridge there is
there’s this feeling when you cross the mississippi
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:45 pmI guess it was, anyways, the backstory is the man who hired quarry, is the same responsible for his quandary in the first place,
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:47 pmquarry’s quirky quandary
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:49 pmNot Cuero, but I have been to Turkey TX. Bob Wills rocks!
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:55 pmanyways nate heller would be great material, of course a&e the kind of series that would originally air it, has gone reality tv, since they deep-sixed nero wolfe ‘Khaan’
narciso (d1f714) — 7/7/2017 @ 6:56 pmthat sounds so fun I only ever been to the panhandle once, with mom and dad, and we saw a musical in palo duro canyon
but i was very small, still learning
someday i’ll go back
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:00 pmPalo Dura Canyon. The Big Texan. Cadillac Ranch. Happy times.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:02 pmlove crossing the mighty Mississippi – only 2 hours to the farm
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:02 pmI read two or three of the Quarry books when they first came out and I guess that’s the reason I never viewed him as a mystery writer. And although I pictured Quarry as a Steve McQueen or Daniel Craig, I picture Collins himself as John Malkovich in “The Road To Perdition”.
nk (dbc370) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:03 pmBob Wills is still the king
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:03 pmhappyfeet –
mg (31009b) — 7/7/2017 @ 7:07 pmhttp://www.johnweeks.com/bestbridges/index.html
If you were truly a long-time reader here, you would know that I’ve used bold print for emphasis for as long as I can remember. Easily for more than 12 years. It’s a device I copied from Mickey Kaus — I think from his days at Slate.
Are you indeed? You’re an expert on the written word, then, are you? Good to know.
You mean “a valid reason.” The word “why” is unnecessary.
“Independents” — with an “e.”
You mean “its” with no apostrophe.
I don’t generally snark about grammar or spelling. But you deserve it.
Perhaps a little more polishing before publishing would help you make your point more effectively.
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/7/2017 @ 9:51 pmTouche, Patterico. I guess that’s what happens when your device fills in words for you. I never spend time polishing and editing a comment for a blog; I guess you’ve shamed me into it from now on. Plus a little Cuervo on the side makes one a little bold and less careful. But again, why throw shame at commenters? Unless you prefer the condescension and outrage… Seriously dude, find a happy place. It obviously isn’t this blog anymore.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/8/2017 @ 1:05 pmBlock me Amadeus.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/8/2017 @ 1:09 pmthanks so much for the link Mr. mg that’s very special and kind of inspiring
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/8/2017 @ 1:10 pmIf you’re ever going to look carefully at your own writing style, a good time might be when you’re (pretending to) criticize someone else’s writing style.
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/8/2017 @ 1:32 pmI don’t block people for expressing contrary opinions, even laughable/mockable ones.
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/8/2017 @ 1:33 pmThat said, people who are unpleasant and add nothing but vitriol are always cordially invited to self-deport.
Yesterday Colonel Haiku emailed to report that I have achieved this result with respect to him. I’ll raise a glass to his departure tonight. I feel nothing but happiness about it. If you read his comments from the past several months from my perspective, you’d understand why.
I’m not so cold that I don’t feel regret over what he turned into, and nostalgia for the time when I actually enjoyed reading his comments. But that time is long past, and reality is what it is. As it stands, I am beyond thrilled that he won’t be commenting here. I feel the way you do when an unpleasant house guest finally walks out the door to catch their plane to a place far away.
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/8/2017 @ 1:39 pmI don’t actually wish that I were the type of person who panders to Trump-lovers, as so many do these days.
But I do miss the warm reactions I used to get from commenters when I regularly fed them partisan red meat.
So I understand why people do it. Some even have a large financial incentive.
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/8/2017 @ 1:43 pm296:
Apparently we have a closer relationship than I realized, Gobblemom. I grew up in Lubbock — I bet you knew that since we are so close — so FYI Texans spell it Palo Duro Canyon.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/8/2017 @ 2:19 pmwait a minute Mr. Colonel is leaving?
this is no good
for he’s a good American, stalwart and true
his earnest voice will be missed, and the internet is a lesser place for his silence
i too shall raise a glass tonight
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/8/2017 @ 2:22 pm@326. Sayonara Haiku.
__________
“In 1939, you were invaded yet again, this time by Nazi Germany from the west and the Soviet Union from the east. That’s trouble. That’s tough.”- Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America addressing the people of Poland, July 6, 2017
Jaysus.
That’s war.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/8/2017 @ 2:44 pmOh DRJ, how you turn my head. Of course the Texans spell it Palo Duro, but since Spanish is just bastardized Latin, the correct interpretation is Palo Dura, ie. hard post or tough stake. Palo Duro, or post peso, just doesn’t make sense. But hey, what’s a little etymology between friends. Sincerely, Dura Mater P.S. I left about the time Oprah invaded. But the stories I could tell you about Stanley Marsh…
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/8/2017 @ 3:52 pmThat makes no sense. In Spanish, adjectives must agree with nouns in number and gender. Thus, “duro” (hard) must be masculine singular to agree with “palo” (wood or stick). “Dura” is feminine singular, so it would never be used with “palo.” Have you shared with other Mexicans or Spaniards what you think of their language?
You can learn more about Palo Duro Canyon here but I will pass on your Stanley Marsh 3 stories. He’s too eccentric for my taste.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/8/2017 @ 4:14 pmAnd one more time,
Kenya SwallowGobblemom strikes out as a grammar Nazi. Well, actually, no, not as a grammar Nazi. As a bullsh! artist. She misspelled “Palo Duro” and came up with a bullsh!t excuse. “Bullsh!t” in every sense of the word, including a lie about what “Palo Duro” means in Spanish and Latin, just so she could snark at DRJ.Hey, Gobbler! “Palo Duro” means “hard stick” (or “post” or “stake”) in Spanish. But you already know that. You just couldn’t admit you typed an “a” when you should have typed an “o” on your “bastardized Latin” keyboard.
BTW, in Latin it would be “Durum Lignum Unum”.
nk (dbc370) — 7/8/2017 @ 4:29 pmHeh! Didn’t see your comment while I was dawdling over mine, DRJ.
nk (dbc370) — 7/8/2017 @ 4:29 pmThat should have been *bullsh!t artist* in my 330.
nk (dbc370) — 7/8/2017 @ 4:31 pmSomos amigos, nk.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/8/2017 @ 5:24 pmPara siempre, DRJ.
BTW, palo is derived from the Latin word paluceus, and it has been imported into Greek as palouki commonly understood as a stick you poke someone with or use as kindling, or a stake you use to prop up your tomato plants or Vlad Tepes used to impale his enemies. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 7/8/2017 @ 7:28 pmSince you are going to get around to this eventually
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4678456/Trump-aides-met-Russian-lawyer-linked-Kremlin.html
narciso (d1f714) — 7/8/2017 @ 7:39 pmHey guys, just here to offer an apology. What a snot I was being the other day. Just a wicked combination of insomnia and tequila and menopause that will ruin any sunny disposition.
Gobblemom (6c5562) — 7/10/2017 @ 10:32 amall is forgiven no sentimientos duro!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/10/2017 @ 10:35 am