Donald Trump Is the Legitimate President
Power is out here. The folks at the electric company apparently figure that the middle of the night is the best time for scheduled maintenance, and I guess that’s right for most people. If you need a CPAP machine to sleep, however, it means that sleep functionally ends at 2 a.m.
So I am tired and typing this on a phone. Please excuse any shortage of links.
As so often happens, the left is engaged in serious overreach when it comes to Donald Trump. There are legitimate questions about Russian involvement in our election. It appears hackers had DNC and RNC material but released only the former. Putin had a clear preference for Trump and a clear connection to hackers. Trump likes to portray his election as a landslide, but the result depended on thin margins in a small handful of states. The popular vote is not the measure, but it’s not a landslide if you lose the popular vote by millions. And his electoral vote margins are below the historical average for winners.
All that said, he is the winner and Democrats need to deal with it. Ultimately, American voters decided this election. It was not Putin or James Comey, but the voters. After all the lecturing we got about how Trump needed to accept the results of the election, including lectures from partisan hacks like Paul Krugman, it is notable and predictable that those very same people are trying to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s election. Sh*t happens in elections. Hillary Clinton was historically unlikable and Vladimir Putin did not create that reality.
It is time for Democrats to get over it. Indeed, questioning the legitimacy of the election may have been the Russians’ ultimate goal.
We are stuck with a horrible person for a President-elect. That was always going to be the case after May 3 no matter who won. But the election was not rigged.
Donald Trump argues that if he had raised conspiracy theories to undermine the election if he had lost, he would have been laughed at. And he’s right. Of course, had he lost, he would have raised such theories, because he’s a whiny b*tch and a conspiracy theory nut. But he’s right that his whining should have been dismissed.
It’s a problem that Russia tried to interfere, if they did. But I don’t think the American people cared much about possible Russian involvement.
Let it go, lefties. Let it go.
If you’re now singing Frozen, you’re a parent.
Sorry.
I wonder if it’s light enough to take a shower now without killimg myself.
Patterico (f8a200) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:42 amDid the media go bonkers when Obama tried to influence the election in Israel?
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:55 amWhat if anything did Wikileaks reveal that possibly influenced the election? How about this: the media was actively promoting Clinton to the extent it privately discussed how the news should be tailored. Also we saw Clinton using the State Dept. in her private fund raising efforts. Wikileaks did the work that the news media refused to do.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:59 amReuters has a story this morning explaining why other intel officials haven’t signed off on the CIA analysis – there isn’t any proof that Russian state actors favored one candidate over the other. What is offered by the CIA is a supposition that because the hackers had both DNC information and RNC information, but only released DNC information to harm Clinton, they must have favored Trump. Other agencies weren’t willing to rely on that to reach the very controversial POV that their goal was to tilt the election in favor of Trump. The fact that the CIA has done so, and leaked their views to the WaPo and NYT — thus allowing all the Dems to rely on those reports as their basis to talk publicly — transparently exposes the CIA’s efforts in this regard as nakedly political.
A couple problems with that: Preibus says RNC not hacked, and points to FBI analysis. I read yesterday that FBI conclusion was that efforts to hack RNC had taken place, they had gotten in to RNC network to a limited extent, but had not been able to extract much in the way of data. Not knowing what RNC info they managed to get away with, you can’t make any judgment about their motives from the basis that they didn’t release anything from the RNC. Maybe all they got was a collection of Chirstmas cookie recipes from the RNC Christmas party.
Also, its pointed out that the first DNC hack was in the spring of 2015 — while Clinton was the presumed Dem. nominee all along, Trump didn’t even announce until June 2015. There was another DNC hack in 2016 — identified by DNC internal reports as a different group, though also identified as based in Russia. Its not known which of these two obtained the records later dumped by Wikileaks, as they both likely obtained the same data.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:00 amWikileaks also revealed that the debates were rigged.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:00 amRussia tried to swing the election to Trump is fake news.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:01 amLefties supported Wikileaks when it didn’t damage their candidate. Everyone supports transparency; until they don’t.
Dejectedhead (29a273) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:03 amYeah, but if Grabby Corey Lewandowski got his grasping paws on some debate questions and emailed them to Trump, Russia would not tell us.
Patterico (f8a200) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:08 amWho played the largest role in trying to influence the outcome of the election?
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:10 amYou go to polls with the dingbat you have, not the one you want.
Any way, Democrats have ploughed this earth before.
JP (f1742c) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:11 amFour years ago, Obama was in bed with the Russians.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:19 amI think when this all shakes out there is going to be much more support for the proposition that the Russians were happy to work to undermine Clinton, and that was the goal all along, without regard for whether the ultimate outcome of the election was that a Republican wins, or that she lost to Sanders in the primaries.
I think it was the former Ambo to Russia who said on Meet The Press that Putin holds a grudge against Hillary because of something she did as Sec. of State in 2011 to undermine Putin’s intention to return to power as Russian President in 2012. Putin had been President from 2000 to 2008, then moved to Prime Minister while Medvedev took over as President from 2008 to 2012. In 2011 it became apparent that Putin and Medvedev looked to switch places again in the 2012 election, and the State Dept. did something (I’m not sure what) to undermine that effort. The former Ambo on MTP said Putin was angered by whatever she did, he discussed the matter with the Ambo, and he had mentioned the same issue in private conversations — never speaking publicly about it — with others.
But to say that Putin favored Trump over Clinton is not accurate, if the truth is that Putin simply disfavored Clinton regardless of who happened to be her electoral opponent.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:19 amRussia turned the election for Trump: fake news.
Russia tried to turn the election for Trump: unproven but very plausible.
Russia interfered with the election: virtually certain.
Patterico (f8a200) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:19 amTo say Putin favored Trump over Clinton is a pretty safe bet.
Patterico (f8a200) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:21 amYes, yes and yes AZBob and SWC. The Dems and the media keep throwing stuff against the wall to see if any of it will stick. If the Democrats have anything to offer that refutes the facts that the wikileaks drops shined a spotlight on and brought to the attention of the American people (in particular), I sure have not seen it.
Years of real hacking and theft of intellectual properties were hardly noticed by either the current administration or the media, so please excuse if their current attempt to subvert the constitution and electoral process is called what it is.
Thanks for posting this, Patterico! Have a great day!
Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:21 am13… yes, just as The Democrats attempted to do domestically in every election in my lifetime and just as Obama has done in multiple instances in other lands.
Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:24 amThe Russians tried to influence the election. So did the non-partisan media. So what? The election wasn’t rigged therefore it was fair. Unless having who knows how many votes cast by illegals for the democrats is rigging the election. Michigan has areas with more votes than voters and the dems are worried about Russian “influence”?
We have the best outcome we could have had. NO Hillary. We have both houses of Congress, most of the states and governors and soon the judiciary and the Supreme Court. The exact outcome I wanted when I voted for Trump. We even have a decent VP waiting in the wings. Plus, we’ve had all the fun and enjoyment of watching the leftists and the snowflakes and the “experts” go friggin’ NUTS. I’m still waiting for this crew to leave the country though:
Why are these MF’s still here?
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Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:25 amLet me correct that:
Russia turned the election for Trump is not fake news, just highly implausible. Let’s not call every wrong or implausible story fake news.
Russia interfered in the election with pictures of electronic voting machines: that is fake news.
Patterico (f8a200) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:26 amWhat country in this world doesn’t try to interfere with the US election? The Australian Labor party paid to send volunteers to Hillary Clinton.
Dejectedhead (29a273) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:29 amWhen will the left turn it’s attention toward Jan. 20th and start polishing up the current Turd for all the grand speeches about his wonderful presidency? You know, try and ruin Trump’s inauguration.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:30 amUsing Patrick’s logic, the Press “interfered” with the election as well — if “interference” means simply exposing inconvenient facts that one candidate would like to keep hidden from the public until after the voting is done.
I tend to lean towards the view that absent active manipulation of the actual casting of ballots, the fact that a foreign power takes steps to pollute the information field with misinformation in furtherance of its own interests is nothing more than ordinary statecraft.
Do the Russians owe it to the US voters to have a “misinformation free zone” surrounding elections if they think their national interests are advanced by a bit of propoganda being introduced? Its up to the candidates, the press, and the public to inform themselves and sort out the “wheat” from the “chaff.”
As has been pointed out here, Obama actively participated in efforts to oust Netanyahu because he thought it was in the US interests to do so, and he actively campaigned against the Brexit referendum because he thought it was in the US interests to do so.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:30 am@14 — at the point Wikileaks was dumping the docs into the net, it was down to a binary choice of Clinton or Trump.
If, as my comment suggests, Putin has a longstanding grudge against Clinton personally as explained by the former US Ambassador to Russia on MTP, then the opposition candidate to Clinton was irrelevant.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:33 amMike McFaul — former Ambassador to Russia, on Meet The Press:
He goes on to say that the second point is that Trump’s views are more in line with Putin’s views on some foreign policy issues, so it would be logical that he would prefer to deal with Trump as opposed to Clinton. But “revenge” was his first explanation.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:38 amRegardless of who won the election, the Russians have achieved their real goal. They have
Bar Sinister (f5ce19) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:52 amexacerbated the dissensions between the two major parties and helped to encourage doubts
about the results of the elections.
It might not have helped that we’re talking about the wife of the man who oversaw (or at least permitted) a period of severe decline in Russian influence throughout eastern Europe, but especially traditionally pro-Russian nations like Serbia and Montenegro.
I understand that this still rattles a lot of ordinary Russians, and particularly Russian military vets. Putin is very much one of the latter.
JP (f1742c) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:56 amRepresentative Republic:
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Communism:
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Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:59 amYes, Russia did NOT “hack the election”. If they had a hand in anything, it was showing the Democrats and the DNC power structure for what it is: a corrupt apparatus that will do anything to grasp, and hold on to power and expand the reach of the state.
Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:04 amIt appears hackers had DNC and RNC material but released only the former.
It has been speculated, and no evidence of this has been presented to the public.
a clear connection to hackers
It has been speculated, and no evidence of this has been presented to the public.
John Podesta was using “p@ssw0rd” as his password, literally anyone could have “hacked” his email–especially since he emailed his password out to a phisher.
Wikileaks dumped a lot of insider information from hacked emails. A lot of time has been spent in the media on who might have benefited, and why they might have done it, who might have been responsible.
But for the people who leaked a secret CIA briefing, no speculation on their motives, or who benefits from their doing so, or who was responsible. Not important at all, for some reason.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:09 am“Let’s not call every wrong or implausible story fake news.” — Patterico
How can we examine what5 is inside someone’s heart? For example, Dan Rather’s fake-but-accurate story is fake news. I don’t care if he believed it or not. Implied malice is still sufficient for murder.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:12 amKGB is not military.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:15 amI suppose as long as I’m being technical, neither is KGB Naval.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:19 amwhen you only spend half as much money as a filthy diseased criminal pig who was slavishly supported by every propaganda anderson cooper slut in the entire country and you still win you better believe it’s a landslide
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:30 amand that’s the thing of it isn’t it
the sleazy propaganda pumped out by the amazon turdlord’s washington post and the cnn sluts and politico and national soros radio
it utterly dwarfed even the most grandiose plan little gay pedophile putin could ever imagine
exponentially
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:33 amand of course to believe that Putin had some genius election-altering plan you’d have to lend credence to failmerica’s cowardly corrupt risibly sleazy intelligence agencies staffed by the most effete base low class trash failmerica’s perverted universities can produce
that’s a really big lift
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:36 amAh but it is, and so is its successor. The KGB had military ranks and was subject to Soviet military laws, at least officially. Putin retired as a podpolkovnik.
JP (f1742c) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:49 amLet It BeLet It GoWhen they find themselves in times of trouble
All locked in their self-made bubble
Here’s some words of wisdom, let it go
And in their time of struggle
Teh cure is standing right in front of them
Hear these words of wisdom, let it go
Let it go, let it go
Let it go, let it go
Heed these words of wisdom, let it go
And when the sad, butt-hurted people
Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:51 amLiving in their world all know
They’ve received an answer, let it go.
And though they may be broken they may
Understand they made it so
And they do have an answer, let it go.
Let it go let it go,
Let it go, let it go.
They may not like the answer, but let it go.
Let it go, let it go,
Let it go, let it go.
They has a sad now answer, let it go.
If Hillary and the dems are convinced Russia threw the election to Trump and that Hillary is the most qualified person in the land to lead America why did they allow Russia to interfere and why didn’t they do something to stop it? Spies spy. Spies lie. Spies take advantage of others vulnerabilities. It’s what they do. Hillary’s supporters want a do-over apparently because Putin joined forces with the vast right wing conspiracy against her while no one was watching. Believable? Hardly.
crazy (d3b449) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:00 amI would imagine the lies told by Clinton to Putin regarding intentions in the aftermath in Libya might carry the most weight in a decision to oppose her election. Putin was somewhat reluctant to see Gadaffi go and he certainly would have opposed his removal had he known of US plans to transfer Libyan arms to Syrian rebels seeking to depose Assad. Both Obama and Clinton earned Putin’s utter contempt with their completely half-assed maneuvers in Libya and Syria and their failure to cut off Erdogan’s blood money for oil support of ISIS was a final signal of the complete ineptitude which was the hallmark of Obama/Clinton foreign policy.
The fact Russia receives nothing from the West’s desire to impose regressive taxation on carbon in order to finance subsidies (and maintain an illusion of “growth”) is a further rationale for Russian opposition to progressive idiocy.
Rick Ballard (764455) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:07 amIf Putin wanted to influence the election – he could have donated to the Clinton foundation
joe - foreign policy expert (debac0) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:20 amWikileaks is a tigershark, meaning they’ll devour whatever carcass is available.
The GOP is a hard target because Wikileaks is the least of their worries. They have the Wapo, the Times, Google, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, the Globe, lifers at the CIA, FBI, an endless supply of villains trying to sneak in the backdoor to upset their apple cart.
The DNC has an equal list of crooks looking out for their interests. Covering up their frauds in real time, thus their top tier scum have no real practical need for passwords, security features and the like.
Fat stupid and lazy make for a tigersharks banquet.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:29 amThere is also the possibility that the Russians, just like our press and most of us, assumed that Hillary! was going to win in a landslide, perhaps carrying the Senate as well. They may have simply been attempting to undermine her authority as president, particularly amongst Bernie’s wing of the Democrat Party. If so, their purpose wouldn’t have been related to immediate foreign policy goals, they could rely on Hillary to screw that up all on her own. But it would have reduced her influence generally, making it more difficult for the U. S. to play a positive role in propping up the QE’d economies of world. And as time passed, as the importance and extent of the conspiracies she organized sank in, she would have been seen as a decidedly Nixonian personality, not at all the sort of person who draw together the countries of western Europe.
And then there’s the unsolved murder of the DNC staffer in D. C. I rather doubt he was a Russian agent, but it seems likely he was involved in leaks of some type. One might hope that some resources would be assigned to close this case, but that will take some significant changes in the bureaucracy.
BobStewartatHome (c24491) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:43 amI’m old enough to remember when Dan Rather tried to interfere with an election.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:44 amWho first said “the election is rigged”? Firstest and mostest?
What undermines the legitimacy of the orange-skinned badgerheaded buffoon is that he is an orange-skinned badgerheaded buffoon.
nk (dbc370) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:46 amOccam’s razor says when a party’s high mucky mucks (DNC) have the watchdogs licking their hand they forget to wear the burgler mask/ use a crowbar instead of a pass key/ don’t need gloves when they rifle through the jewelry.
So why do you need to invent a Ruskie government backed invader to discover their secrets?
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:52 amAll Assange needs is a P.I. willing do dig through their trashcans.
39. joe – foreign policy expert (debac0) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:20 am
No – that’s influencing the president – or the person you think will be the president – after the election.
But Putin thought Hillary Clinton was dead set against him, because he thought Victoria
Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State, who stayed on after Hillary Clinton left, was acting under her instructions when she was instrumental in ousting pro-Russian – at least he was pro-Russian after Putin talked to him a few times – Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych in February, 2014.
Putin bugged her, and released one recording but it didn’t get Obama to take her off the case, even though she used foul language.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:54 amHeh! https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-13-at-11.35.30-AM-600×208.png
Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:02 amhttp://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
Trump beat the margin of fraud. But, if the fraud would have been greater, he would be a “a whiny b*tch and a conspiracy theory nut” if he would have raised the issue?
Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:03 amDems are marinating in the juices of their own hypocrisy and perfidy.
They are still accepting all-comers who wish to dive in and join them.
Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:05 amshipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:38 am
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:16 amMr. Mous, @47, the link is fascinating. In one Detroit precinct, 306 votes were counted by the electronic machine, presumably by passing the paper ballot across the reader, but only 50 ballots were found in the bottom of the box. This is what passes for “democracy” in Democrat controlled jurisdictions. And the Democrats will be the first to proclaim their outrage, never mentioning that they are the beneficiaries of the manufactured votes. The story was similar in Florida in the Al Gore fiasco. All those poorly designed ballots, and all those hanging chads, that so distressed Democrats, were the work product of Democrat-controlled counties.
An honest media would have a field day with this. Instead, they’re still dependent on the DNC for today’s story line. So all we get is a muddled outrage, today’s target being Russia!!!
BobStewartatHome (c24491) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:24 am47. Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:03 am
State law in Michigan forbids any kind of re-count when the number of votes cast is different from the number of voters who signed in. Yes, I read that.
Here’s another news article dealing with that:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:24 amhttp://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/26/is-the-dnc-leak-putins-idea-of-payback/
A warmer US-Russia relationship makes China the odd man out – energy independent America, Oil producer Russia with more Mideast influence thanks to Obama and a Clinton preference to unseat Putin…..all points worth pondering.
SpokaneBob (1aaf2a) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:32 amRick Ballard (764455) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:07 am
The United States was trying to prevent that. It was some Arab “allies” like Saudi Arabia and Qatar who were sending weapons to Syrian rebels, and the CIA was there in competition with them to buy up the weapons first. The United States was most wary of Surface to Air missiles, but ti wasn’t agreeing to almost any kind of arming of the Syrian rebels. You think if Obama wanted them armed, they wouldn’t have been armed??
People have got the story all wrong in spite of its illogic (if the US was helping Islamicists, why did they kill the Ambassador and attack the CIA annex?)
The Arab states were sending them first to Turkey. Ambassador Christopher Stevens’ mission in Benghazi was to stop it and that’s why he met with the Turkish intelligence chiech in Benghazi, but the ship had already sailed. Stevens nevertheless succeeded in satopping it by conveying a threat to Turkey and the weapons stayed in Turkey after the ship arrived.
But the plotters of the attack in Benghazi weren’t considering that angle, and they wanted to stop U.S. inerference.That’s why Stevens was killed, and it did have the effect of chasing the CIA out of Benghazi.
Hillary could say nothing about who really killed Stevens because the same man who plotted the murder of the Ambassador had also killed Vincent Foster, and Bill Clinton had agreed to cover it up. She could not let Prince Bandar bin Sultan fall too low. Now the last paragraph is based on a few deductions.
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:42 amman these kids are playing for keeps
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/13/2016 @ 11:05 amWhere, exactly, do we have any indication whatsoever that the Russians (or anyone) hacked the RNC?
According to Prebius, when they hard about the hack of the DNC, they called the FBI to see if they’d been hacked, too. And the FBI found no trace. Is there any info to contradict this?
A further issue; which agencies, exactly, are supporting the “Russian tried to help Trump” storyline? I keep hearing reporters, even on Fox, blathering on about “17 US intelligence agencies” backing that, but they can’t name one. I also find it a very interesting that reports keep citing 17 intel agencies, considering that we have a grand sum total of 16, and some of them have no abilities in the cyber world at all.
And now, we see some electoral college electors, pledged to Clinton, demanding an intel briefing for electors before they vote. Think it through; just who would have to order said briefing,and who would give it? Obama would have to order it, and it’d be given by people loyal to him – and they could, and would, lie (OBama has a history of making intel agencies lie… he did so to make it look like we were winning against ISIS, to name just one proven case). So, they lie to the electors and tell them Trump is in league with Putin, and they’ve intercepted communications to that effect between them. And they do this on Dec 19th, the very day the electors vote.
What’s happening is not a Democrat tantrum. It’s orchestrated and planned, and it’s nothing less than a coup attempt, via flipping electors with everything from death threats to persuasion to lies.
Arizona CJ (191c8a) — 12/13/2016 @ 11:07 amThat nasty Hillary woman is not going to be the next President.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/13/2016 @ 11:10 amThank you, Mr Donald. And thank you, America!
Since the latest meme is that Russian spy hackers brainwashed American voters into choosing Mr Donald instead of Mrs Nasty, does that mean that Democrats are no longer allowed to blame “racism”? I’m considering writing to Dear Abby to see what she has to say about it.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/13/2016 @ 11:18 amShameful.
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Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 11:46 amRussian hackers hacked both DNC information and RNC information?
Okay – did it occur to anyone that the RNC data might have been…boring? That it didn’t reveal anything of particular interest? In which case releasing the data from the hack gets you nothing but attention from the police?
No one is alleging the Russians hacked the election machines, meaning the vote is the vote.
No one is alleging that the information hacked from the DNC was untrue, just inconvenient for the voters to know what scoundrels the Democrats really are.
Wikileaks has definitively stated it wasn’t the Russians, and hinted in was someone inside the DNC who gave them the information. Any reason we shouldn’t believe them?
So what, exactly, is the argument the Dems are pursuing here? You weren’t supposed to know they fixed the primaries, the debates, and are liars and thieves? The fact that you knew this before voting is “unfair”? It is a truly bizarre argument.
Really this is all designed to try and steal the election by convincing the electors not to vote for Trump in the electoral college. The minute that vote is cast, this entire story will go away in a puff of smoke. So it really is Fake News designed to try and trick people into electing Hillary.
Tenn (131b65) — 12/13/2016 @ 12:16 pm5. AZ Bob (f7a491) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:00 am
Wikileaks also revealed that the debates were rigged.
Between Hillary Clinton and Bernard Sanders. Not rigged, but people at the DNC tried to help Hillary by forewarning her campaign of some questions. Donna Brazile was privy to some plans for questions at CNN because she also had a side job there. Also revealeed was that some reporters were checking in with people at the DNC on some elements of some stories.
That was Putin’s big scoop. There was a little bit of proof of favoritism, I’m not even sure what. Bernie Sanders didn’t break from Hillary, but the price may have been DWS resigning.
Donna Brazile took over, but when some revelations about her turning over questions or question topics came out, she quit her CNN job, but not her DNC job. First she quit quietly.
The revelations about the Clinton Foundation and so on didn’t come from the DNC or the John Podesta hacks, even if the Democrats may want casually informed people to believe that. (Podesta never really knew anything – he was not a real insider with Hillary and Bill Clinton)
That came mostly from Freedom of information Act requests by Judicial Watch and the Republican National Committee – also the Associated Press, which finally came to a head after mid-year 2016 – and also the e-mails Hillary released, and the fact of the secret e-mail server, which we found out about because the Benghazi (Gowdy) Committee had subpoenaed state.gov e-mail to and from Hillary, and at first there was nothing from her state.gov account, although they got some e-mail FROM her but not with a state.gov address, and they asked again.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 12:24 pmThis is mostly jealosy from the MSM. “How DARE you manipulate American elections?! That’s OUR job.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2016 @ 12:28 pm55. Arizona CJ (191c8a) — 12/13/2016 @ 11:07 am
no place, and it’s probably amisstatement. They tried to, but they didn’t get in. Prebius aalso said taht no staffer’s GMail was giotten into either.
The only thing I read or heard wa sthat one local Republican state party was gotten itno and also a consultant. There’s agood argument taht Putin tried to help Trump, but you can’t make taht argument on the basis that Wikileaks didn’t get anything that came from the Republican national Committee. they didn’t get any of Hillary’s deleted e-mails either. Most likely because it wasn’t breached.
Hillary’s e-mail account was probably juat about the most secure e-amail that ever existed, (secure from subpoenas too!) and they did it without all the bells and whistles designed for a system with many users. when they hard about the hack of the DNC, they called the FBI to see if they’d been hacked, too. And the FBI found no trace. Is there any info to contradict this? None, whatsoever. Only speculation that maybe the NSA or some other people are better at detecting hacking. Like maybe Russian suoper-hackers did it and they found out but the FBI which examined the computers, did not.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 12:33 pmObama would have to order a briefing of electors and he’s not going to do it.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 12:34 pmwhen they hard about the hack of the DNC, they called the FBI to see if they’d been hacked, too
The RNC
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 12:35 pmWow — Obama says with a straight face that Americans should care more about Russian attempts to influence our election than about the contents of HRC’s private email account — where she was doing official government business.
This from the guy who interfered in British and Israeli elections.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 1:06 pmThis from the guy who interfered in British and Israeli and Ukrainian and Egyptian elections.
Full credit to the Merde Touch where credit is due.
Rick Ballard (764455) — 12/13/2016 @ 2:03 pmSammy, he is delusional enough to try a Grover Cleveland.
urbanleftbehind (0cb9b7) — 12/13/2016 @ 2:22 pm67. urbanleftbehind (0cb9b7) — 12/13/2016 @ 2:22 pm
He can’t, if you mean Obama. Obama didn’t lose a bid foir re-election. He can’t be elected again because of the 22nd amendment. Neitehr can Bill Clinton or George W. Bush.
Grover Cleveland, by the way, won the popular vote in 1888 but lost in the Electoral College. Quite possibly because of fraud. He ran successfully again in 1892 against teh tariff, but by the time he was inaugurated, there was a great depression, and he folllowed advice to maintain the gold standard, and he did not run again and the Democratic Party turned against the “gold Democrats.”
There were people who wanted him to run for a third term in 1904, but he declined.
Re: pressidents: Just read today:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bending-the-arc-of-history-1481588883
James K. Polk died from cholera. He was no longer president. I thought I was going to read Zachary Taylor in that book review. I knew that Polk had died in 1849, shortly after his first and only term, but I thought he was sick in some way.
But yes, I know, and knew since 1986 or 1987, that 1849 (along with 1832 and 1866) was a cholera year. I never thought of that idea.
Zachary Taylor did indeed probably die of cholera, and probably not by accident. I think he could have been murdered. By being infected at a time when few people acccepted or even thought of the germ theory of disease.
I don’t know who spread that story about arsenic which never made any sense. His body wsas dug up and checked for arsenic in 1991, and tgheer wasn’t any of course. But the way he would have been murdered was by being infected with cholera. There would still have been some contagious material available in 1850. He was given something to drink. But not arsenic is a slow acting poison.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-zachary-taylor-dies-unexpectedly
Apparently there were alwasys suspicions because he was going to veto the Compromise of 1850. Millard Fillmore signed it. I’d like to know more.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 2:56 pm“Obama would have to order a briefing of electors and he’s not going to do it.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 12:34 pm”
Why are you so sure of that? I wish I was. My suspicion is they’ll get a very slanted (speculation presented as fact) briefing, just before they vote. Something along the lines of “Trump is in active collusion with Putin to steal the election.”
Arizona CJ (191c8a) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:06 pmArizona CJ (191c8a) — 12/13/2016 @ 11:07 am <blockquote? A further issue; which agencies, exactly, are supporting the “Russian tried to help Trump” storyline? I keep hearing reporters, even on Fox, blathering on about “17 US intelligence agencies” backing that, but they can’t name one. I also find it a very interesting that reports keep citing 17 intel agencies, considering that we have a grand sum total of 16, and some of them have no abilities in the cyber world at all. The number 17 comes from the Clintons. I mean Hillary Clinton used it.
The Clintons like large numbers of investigators all of whom say the same thing so you can’t challenge the conclusion. They must have counted as an intelligence agency something nobodfy else does.
The odd thing here is that there is no reason not to think that, at a certain point, and this was after the hacking had been stopped, Vladimir Putin decided to try to help elect Donald Trump, but there’s no special expertise about this. And tgeh diea the Republicans were hacked but nothing from them was used is a phony argument.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:07 pmHere is how Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton discussed this in the final Presidential debate:
Presidential Debate at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas Wednesday, October 19, 2016
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=119039
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:08 pmSammeh you’ve full vizzini, and possibly Billy Madison.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:09 pmBut the accounts are maddeningly vague, which suggests fake news.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:15 pm69. Arizona CJ (191c8a) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:06 pm
Because he’s already trying to make the transition go well.
I think he doesn’t want any part of this. He has some patriotism and he cares about the future of teh republic and of our democracy. Of course, Obama being Obama, he won’t call out Harry Reid, nut just try to push back against this , as mildly as possible. He did about the recounts.
Now Obama is ordering a full report about the hacking and the election prepared and presented to him before January 20. I think earlier he was told there was no attempt to influence the election – just to create chaos. Now people are saying different things. There is no new information.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:27 pmNote Hillary on October 19, was already claiming:
Donald Trump’s response was incoherent.
He did say he never met Putin.
Not quite what he said in one Republican debate, but he was obviously lying there.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-debate-transcript-primetime-debate-on-economy/
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:28 pmArizona CJ, I have to ask. The Jeep, right?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/13/2016 @ 3:36 pmTrumps win, however close it was, was also impressive when you consider that the complete array of the establishment was dead set against him.
All the newspapers endorsed Hillary, even so-called conservative ones.
The entire media establishment was against Trump.
Romney, the Bushes, Condi and old hands like George Schultz were dead set against the Donald.
Not to mention all right-thinking people everywhere.
And yet he won. A landslide? No. A mandate? Probably. Things have to change.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2016 @ 4:02 pmSeriously… the narcissism, puffery, nitwittery and self-beclowning at play with proggies is unprecedented. These people are deeply ill…
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/disgrace-under-pressure/article/2609483
Colonel Haiku (987a1a) — 12/13/2016 @ 4:13 pmDo the Democrats worry over this “mandate” thingy?
Last I heard, Preezy Obama was saying, “I won.” “Elections have consequences.”
So when, not if, Trump says, “Screw them” it will be fine with me.
Have I mentioned I don’t like Trump?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/13/2016 @ 4:16 pm“Okay – did it occur to anyone that the RNC data might have been…boring? That it didn’t reveal anything of particular interest? In which case releasing the data from the hack gets you nothing but attention from the police?”
We’re talking (in part) about people who managed to make a massive deal about Romney’s dog riding in a carrier on the roof of his car – something the dog enjoyed.
Even if there was very little, they’d make it sound like something worse than Watergate.
scrubone (c3104f) — 12/13/2016 @ 4:20 pmBill Clinton was claiming a “mandate” even though he didn’t break 50% in either of his elections.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/13/2016 @ 4:27 pmOne blogger, the streetwise professor noted that hacked inc emails might concern anitrump coordination.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 4:37 pmTo this day Assange is saying that the Podesta/DNC emails via Wilileaks WAS a leak, not a hack, and that Russians were not involved. I don’t know who to believe at this point any more than anyone else does. But Assange has always taken the position that his offerings are insider leaks not illegal hacks into systems. Considering the dates these email leaks started, during the primaries, I think it is highly plausible that some rogue Democrat saw what was happening behind the scenes with the media/DNC/Clinton incest pattern and could not abide it. It would not surprise me if fingers are pointed at Russian hackers because in their minds that’s less embarrassing than the Dems having to admit one of their own betrayed them. This scenario also would explain why the RNC may be telling the truth that they do not believe their data was breached.
elissa (530391) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:01 pmelissa, a young staffer at the DNC was killed in very mysterious circumstances in D. C. right about the time Assange began releasing the emails. A coincidence?
BobStewartatHome (c24491) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:08 pm^^^^^^^^ YES! ^^^^^^^^^
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:10 pmthe amazon turdlord media’s wholly and sadly without the necessary credibility to report on russian hacking and/or not russian hacking and/or claims made by failmerica’s risible and anti-american intelligence agencies (for example the “CIA” (lol))
but when the powerball hits 10 digits they do really great, nuanced stories examining not only the human perspective but *multiple* socioeconomic angles and they generously provide a wealth of free tax and investment advisories
when the powerball hits 10 digits
that’s some effing journalism y’all
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:12 pmYes, BobStewartatHome. That young staffer’s death looks suspicious to many people. An unsolved “robbery” that turned into murder late at night but where nothing was actually taken. From what I’ve read Seth’s father does not seem like the kind of man who is going to let this go indefinitely.
elissa (530391) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:15 pmWell you look at manning and snowden, the major data hauls credited tomassuange, those write inside jobs after a fashion, I don’t know about stratfor’s breach.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:20 pmIt is striking how people see patterns where they don’t exist, and ignore them where they do. But it may be a mystery as with John paisley the CIA employee who dissapeared in 1979.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:26 pmThe problem who would believe a murder mystery featuring a democrat who couldn’t abide incest between Clinton/media/DNC.
Was he impaled by a unicorn? Clubbed by Sasquatch? Probed to death by space aliens?
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:00 pm83. elissa (530391) — 12/13/2016 @ 5:01 pm
Wikileaks itself published the very message that is supposed to have caused John Podesta to give away his GMail password!
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899
Now maybe this is being described incorrectly.
But does “The Gmail Team” at no-reply@accounts.googlemail.com send bit.ly links in order for you to change your GMail password??
Now I read that they are saying that when Charles Delavan wrote Sara Latham (both at hillaryclinton.com) in reference to the message that had been forwarded by John Podesta, saying…
that was a typo and he really meant to say:
but he left out the two letters “i” and “l” .
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/310234-typo-may-have-caused-podesta-email-hack
But I kind of think other words would be different as well. And also there would an extra “n”, too, after the “a” in that sentence.
But that’s his story, and he’s sticking to it.
Charles Delavan did supply the correct Google link to change a password, and also set up two-factor authentication. Then Sara Latham asked Milia Fisher, also at hillaryclinton.com, to check if John Podesta was capable of doing the 2 step verification – and that’s the top of the thread. We don’t actually know what John Podesta did at that point. We also don’t seem to have any written comment by John Podesta when he forwarded that message to Sara Latham.
Elissa:
Now I suppose that if the Russians passed the Podesta e-mails along, they would not have identfied themselves as working for the Russian spy agency, the FSB, or even admitted hacking into the account – but how can downloading the entire contents of someone’s GMail account be anything other than a hack?
If his never being the beneficiary of a hack even once is what he’s claming that’s a reason not to believe him. But I don’t think that’s a plausible claim. So he can’t really be claiming that.
Also there’s this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/29/how-podesta-got-hacked-password-email-revealed-in-wikileaks-dump.html?refresh=true
Their basis for saying that is supposed to be that they’ve investigated a lot of hacks. Four links?
The DNC is a little diffrent, but the DNC is supposed to have detected the second hack, by Fancy Bear (the GRU) and called in the FBI and security, which in turn led to the diiscovery of the earlier and more expert hack by Cozy Bear (the FSB)
It’s also now been reported that the DNC ignored information that they might be being hacked.
It was only after the hacks were discovered that the leaks began. Podesta’s – and also Colin Powell’s – GMail accounts weer separately hacked into, and while they may have goten his password in March, the leaks gp up to August (which sounds like maybe he changed his password at the phishing message’s conveniently supplied bit.ly link and not at https://myaccount.google.com/security.
This could not have happened to Hillary’s own e-mail wile she was at the State Depatment. She would have talked drectly to the SYSOP, Justin Cooper, in Chappaqua, and had Bryan Pagliano in Washington make all the arrangements – and besides no bitly link would have been plausible. But poor John Podesta just asked the Hillary Clinton campaign’s IT staff, and they weren’t the best.
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:21 pmI left a long message with too many links, and it got ut into moderation, but the first point is that Wikileaks itself published the very message that is supposed to have caused John Podesta to give away his GMail password.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899
The Clinton e-mail person is now claiming he made a mistake in writing that the message was legitimate and he really meant to say illegitimate. It contained abitly link taht Podesta may have used.
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:27 pmThe DNC files didn’t come from a leak at the DNC even if Julian Assange offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to a conviction in the Seth Rich case.
Now I suppose that if the Russians passed the Podesta e-mails along, they would not have identfied themselves as working for the Russian spy agency, the FSB, or even admitted hacking.
While you could argue that the DNC leak came as a result of some IT person downlaoding files, that’s not the history of this, which is of a hack being discovered, and it;s not like all kinds of places were hacked. As for Podesta’s GMail account, how can downloading the entire contents of someone’s GMail account be anything other than a hack?
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:37 pm* it’s not like all kinds of places weren’t hacked.
There could be all kinds of motives for murdering Seth Rich, including political, but not I think ahat he was the DNC leaker.
Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:41 pmEvidence RNC was hacked by Russians. But of course they deny it so they must be telling the truth because that is what politicians do.
Clear evidence Russians hacked the DNC.
Patterico (115b1f) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:43 pmR.I.P. Alan Thicke
Icy (a26b65) — 12/13/2016 @ 6:57 pmHe was stricken while playing hockey with his son. If it was his time, what a way to go.
elissa (530391) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:09 pm@95. Alan Thicke, R.I.P. indeed.
Met him. Emceed a few functions for us. A genuinely amiable fellow who died playing hockey with his kids… terrible. He will be missed. But those irritating Optima tax commericals, not so much.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:11 pmI have no sympathy for anyone who is thick of skull enough to put words or describe actions in an email – which puts it in the official record – that they may regret. Extremely stupid.
No doubt, this has been going on for a long time, by us, as well.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:18 pmYou’ve never heard the story of the Scorpion and the Fox?
mark (ca18be) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:25 pmPatterico, I do not find your link in #94 to provide “clear evidence Russians hacked the DNC”. My wife was a senior IT executive at a prominent aerospace concern, and the description of the bubbling FBI attempt to alert the DNC of its problems is unbelievable, based on the very serious and purposeful activities she and her company participated in. At the very least there would have been a personal contact at a high level, followed most likely by a series of meetings of senior personnel. The idea that the FBI would attempt to contact the DNC based on their “contact” webpage is laughable. And hackers do not need to leave a name like “Dukes”. The decision to classify a group of hacks with this name is based on something the agencies found convenient. A truly professional attempt would keep identifiable elements to the minimum, scattering leads to the wind. The last thing they would want to do was leave a trail. The fact that one DNC employee was tricked into sending his password to a server the FBI says is in the Ukraine is hardly proof. That server could have been suborned, and most likely was. The ultimate recipient could be anywhere.
Now there is another possibility. The emails disclosed seriously unethical behavior by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Could it be that the FBI was itself hacking into those networks, with a suitable warrant, or not, seeking evidence of illegal behavior? If so, they would be in an awkward position if they found their activities were just one of several parallel hacks.
At any rate, the picture of the file cabinet with the framed newspaper account of the Watergate break in was about as substantive as your “evidence” got.
BobStewartatHome (c24491) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:41 pmYes its very near beer, building a mountain out of molehill.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:45 pmTrump must be having some outstanding meetings!
Jim Brown, in his own words….
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/13/nfl_legend_jim_brown_on_meeting_with_trump_i_fell_in_love_with_him_earned_my_admiration.html
Patricia (5fc097) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:54 pmI have to agree that the “evidence” linked to in 94 is nothing but.
It’s a bunch of assertions. The closest things they have to evidence is the provenance of some of the tools, which are freely available on the internet to be used by anyone so inclined. That’s like saying the Russian Mafia must have been involved because you found an AK-47 at the scene and everyone knows they were invented in Russia.
The RNC one does not actually say RNC was hacked. It is very carefully phrased: ONE email sent TO RNC ended up in the hands of hackers, because something ELSE got hacked that was NOT RNC. The rest of it is unsupported assertions second and third hand.
The NYT link never explains how anyone knows any Russians were involved, again, all assertions. “The Russians” did this and “the Russians” did that but no presentation of actual evidence that it was, in fact, Russians. Lots of weasel words and some admission that attribution is “more art than science”.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:14 pmIt’s all a sideshow anyway. We learned from the leaked emails a lot about Democrats and their party and the media that they did not want to make public, and the media is trying to impeach it by saying it must be that evil Putin who wanted us to look at it for his nefarious schemes.
And to do that, THEY’RE leaking secret briefings, and THEIR motives are no part of the story whatever.
“Also interesting is, remember, it’s illegal to possess these stolen documents. It’s different for the media. So everything you learn about this, you’re learning from us,”
Why yes sir Mr Cuomo, we don’t want to look at any illegal leaked emails, please filter them for us.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:20 pmRight as with manning, the huntresses emails, the pentagon papers or most recently the Panama papers.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:31 pmRe: #94. It is also laughable that the authors of this story would involve Putin as an active participant in this charade as though he had nothing better to do. And Guccifer 2.0, responding to Twitter inquiries, does not sound like a descendant of Soviet intelligence. Russia has always prided itself on Chess. Nothing in the activities of Guccifer 2.0 suggests any advance planning, nor a careful weighing of an opponent’s response. Ian Fleming constructed tighter and more elaborate plots for James Bond, and he was said to write his books in three weeks while subsisting on a largely liquid diet, shaken not stirred.
There is no doubt in my mind that much of the background material in the article is accurate. But those activities are of a fairly massive scale, and reek of institutional resources. Guccifer 1 and 2 did not pirate the plans of the F-35, you can be sure. And it should be assumed that all internet traffic is intercepted and examined by any number of parties. Security is only assured within intranets, and they require carefully guarded (firewalled) connections to the internet. Reading another country’s leaders’ emails is probably of high priority, and it surely goes on, by both friends and enemies. So we should take it for granted that it is done routinely. But this does not identify who contacted Assange. The list of possible suspects is very long.
About the only thing we can be sure of is that Putin is not an active participant in this, just as FDR was not involved in the code breaking during WWII. In fact, the actual work is accomplished at fairly low levels. And if those involved in such a task decided to utilize Twitter, they would not do it on a shoe string with a lowly non-com authorized to reply using an online translator to pretend to be a Romanian. And as for the opinions of the admirals and senior administrators who claim to be authorities, their knowledge is largely based on information received second hand. And personal ambition and political expediency will always trump the truth with such creatures.
BobStewartatHome (c24491) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:49 pmsenior administration officials [png]
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:49 pmAn old, very crude joke goes:
This stuff was the proverbial birdsnest on the ground. My question isn’t, “Did the Russians try to interfere in the election?” — to which the answer this year, as surely every year since the early 19th Century, is assuredly “yes” (and as to not just Russia/USSR, but the Brits & many others). My question is: How much else did the Russians, their tipees/clients, and whoever else hacked this stuff get that they haven’t made public yet because it’s genuinely valuable only while secret?
Nancy Pelosi wants a “9/11-style commission” to investigate the hacking. Well, sure — if its scope includes every single damned email ever sent to or received by Hillary Clinton and everyone who’s ever worked for her or at her behest since the dawn of the internet.
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:50 pmAs admiraL ackbar would say ‘its a trap’
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 8:56 pmSteve 57: “Arizona CJ, I have to ask. The Jeep, right?”
Lol… Not quite, though I am into offroading. The “CJ” is the name I go by out in the real world, though it’s not on my birth certificate; it’s the initials of my surfing-days nickname, “Cliff Jumper”, which I got by choosing to enter the water via jumping off a 50 ft. cliff in a storm. So I got tagged with that ‘nic in college, and ended up liking it. So, I go by “CJ”.
@ Sammy Finkleman; Thanks for the info. I was especially interested in the part about Clinton being the source (Why am I not surprised?) of the “17 intelligence agencies” thing that’s in the media so often now. So, here’s a list of all 16 intel agencies (some are just subagencies) in the United States; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community#Organization
Some, like the National Reconnaissance Office (which runs most of our spy sats) have no internal cybersecurity ability, so would have no opinion on who was behind a hacking.
It seems to me that the obvious strategic motive for the Russians, if indeed they are behind the DNC hack, is sowing chaos in out election system, by first moving against one candidate (Clinton) and then sitting back and letting it become known, and thus creating the chaos we see right now. Had Clinton won… my theory is that the Russians are not incompetent enough to have missed her private server and its weak security, so probably have a copy of those 30k emails she had deleted and then ordered the server wiped (and I don’t mean with a cloth). Blackmail, after all, is a classic KGB move, and the SVS is their true descendant in many, many ways. So, for Russia, the election was win-win; no matter who won, Russia gets what it wants.
Arizona CJ (191c8a) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:08 pmthis had to be the most pervy poofter-boy election ever
nk (dbc370) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:30 pmThey saw an open door, after the whole string of roberries, in the neighborhood.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:31 pmin america i mean
they’re much more poofter-boy pervier in other places all the time
nk (dbc370) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:31 pmTake Larry lessig please, I don’t care why? Twelve years of indoctrination, expansion of the franchise to felons and illegal (not including places like Detroit where votes exceed population
narciso (d1f714) — 12/13/2016 @ 9:39 pm@ Arizona CJ, re #110: I had mentally bookmarked that as “Chief Justice,” but your truth was better than my supposition.
Anyone remember the Zimmerman Telegram?
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/13/2016 @ 10:57 pmBill gertz points out the irony, in this whole kerfluffle.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/14/2016 @ 5:53 amTed kennedy’s modest proposal was more in that mode.
narciso (d1f714) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:08 amTrump may be the legitimate President elect, but I despise him for want to play patty-cake with the Kremlin, which is supporting the indiscriminate slaughtering of civilians. This reptilian level of “profit before people” motive thoroughly disgusts me.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:26 am*wanting to
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:27 amThen what do you think about China, which will execute about 20,000 people this year for “crimes” which in America would be punished by a few years or a fine or not at all, just because the old men of the Communist Party need organ transplants?
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:31 amnk, I have serious issues with China too. Many businesses don’t care about us humans, which are nothing but obstacles to their all-important deity – i.e., money. This is a perfect example of the immorality of unleashed capitalism – it doesn’t care about people, only profit. If people get murdered, it doesn’t factor into any capitalism ethic. (I’m not really anti-capitalism, I just think it needs to be reigned in with other ethical considerations.)
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:41 amI admit I avoid much of the media these days but when did China become the poster boy country for “unleashed capitalism”? I sure missed that.
elissa (c709c7) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:46 amwho cares about me as a human is pervy disgusting Starbucks and i won’t go near them
bad touch bad touch
it’s so gross
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:48 amSalon called out the Russian hacking story in July of 2016.
We’re forgetting that there isn’t any actual news here. The media chewed this over in the summer, and then moved on when it looked like Hillary was going to win. Now that she didn’t they’re dragging it back up to delegitimize their political opponents.
This literally could have been written yesterday, and been just as true as today of what the NYT has been running just now:
The caker came on Sunday, when Robby Mook, Clinton’s campaign manager, appeared on ABC’s “This Week” and (covering all bases) CNN’s “State of the Union” to assert that the D.N.C.’s mail was hacked “by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.” He knows this — knows it in a matter of 24 hours — because “experts” — experts he will never name — have told him so….
Preposterous, readers. Join me, please, in having absolutely none of it. There is no “Russian actor” at the bottom of this swamp, to put my position bluntly. You will never, ever be offered persuasive evidence otherwise.
Reluctantly, I credit the Clinton campaign and the DNC with reading American paranoia well enough such that they may make this junk stick. In a clear sign the entire crowd-control machine is up and running, The New York Times had a long, unprofessional piece about Russian culprits in its Monday editions. It followed Mook’s lead faithfully: not one properly supported fact, not one identified “expert,” and more conditional verbs than you’ve had hot dinners — everything cast as “could,” “might,” “appears,” “would,” “seems,” “may.”
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 8:16 am#121 Tillman,
Businesses aren’t going to give you a hug the way your Grandmother does, but they do care about serving the customer. A restaurant that poisons people is going to go out of business. A restaurant that has insulting wait staff is not going to do very well. Economic activity is about choice; people choosing where to spend their money based on the factors which are important to them. The threat of losing customers to the business down the highway inspires them to provide a better service or product.
Government is the entity which is uncaring. There’s no competition to inspire them to provide a better service. And there’s really no penalty for providing for providing poor service. Look at the VA hospitals. Look at the long lines at the local DMV. Look at those Cold War bread lines in Russia.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/14/2016 @ 8:38 amDid you ever see photos of east German architecture during the Cold War? (LOL)
CS #125 “Government is the entity which is uncaring. ” Only if we let it be. It’s only as good as we make it.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:00 amYou’re going off on a tangent anyway, I’m implying that our immoral Dear Leader, who will be the head of our government, is corrupt.
@Tillman:it doesn’t care about people, only profit
This is why businesses can be successfully boycotted. But try “boycotting” the US government come April 15 and see where that gets you.
If you are afraid of people with money, why do you turn to people with guns? As we’ve seen in every country that care to do so, governments have no problem stripping corporations and rich people of everything they own. And mysteriously that property does not end up benefiting the people in any way.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:03 am@Tillman:Only if we let it be
So often said. If only we get the right people in, this time it will work.
But the principal-agent problem never goes away. I prefer dealing with people that I can choose to refuse to deal with.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:05 amGiven the rate at which Clinton’s enemies die by suicide Putin should be keeping a close watch on his loved ones.
Certainly being a head of state Putin actual has security against an early morning assisted suicide followed by a veneer investigation.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:07 amSo the People’s Republic of China is where the Illuminati have been hiding the unfettered naked capitalism.
Explains the plastic ware aisle at Walmart.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:11 amAgreed that Trump is the legitimate President, and I look forward to how he’ll do. I hope he’ll do better than I expect.
Jonny Scrum-half (e19a3e) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:14 amBut if this post is meant to suggest that the hacking shouldn’t be investigated, I completely disagree. We should learn who did it, how (to prevent future hacks), why, and whether there was any cooperation with the hackers from anyone on our side (by which I mean Americans, not any political party).
That Tillman – who undoubtedly was enthusiastic about Obama’s Fundamental
Colonel Haiku (ec6668) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:25 amRuinationTransformation – fears Donald Trump and what he’ll do to help improve the business climate and job creation is a very good sign!Government is the entity which is uncaring.
I find this statement so profoundly myopic that I need to elaborate. Right, our government has been guilty of doing horrible things. No doubt. But, when it’s done right, it can be good. The government forced gas companies to take the lead out of gasoline, and out of paint, the list like that is endless.
Here is a sample of what unleashed capitalism does:
The list goes on and on. So both can be bad, it is up to us to make sure it doesn’t happen. Neither government nor your beloved capitalism is without fault.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:29 amYou do realize that when it came to electing a President who was in bed with the Kremlin you didn’t have a choice.
http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/
http://observer.com/2016/08/hillarys-secret-kremlin-connection-is-quickly-unraveling/
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but I’m not happy about any of this, either. The only silver lining I can discern is that nobody is going to give Trump the same pass the media gave Hillary! Clinton. Nobody who was going to get elected preezy this time around had clean hands in this regard. Do you only hold it against Trump?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:31 am@Tillman: In each of your scary cases, “capitalism” is “selling” something but you make no mention of the buyer. Is “capitalism” sticking a gun in their faces and forcing kids to buy heroin? Did tobacco companies glue cigarettes to people’s lips? Was lead put into gasoline and paint for no reason whatever, or was that the available technology for those products at the time?
You seem not to believe that humans have any moral agency, and that they are perpetual children who must live under tutelage. Maybe you like being told what to do and when to do it, but some of us think freedom is better. If you need a nanny, get your mom to hire one, and let people who want to be adults live their lives as adults.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:37 amAny investigation should also include determining why the Obama Admin sat on its hands for years vis-à-vis foreign intelligence hacking.
Colonel Haiku (ec6668) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:40 am@Tillman:Neither government nor your beloved capitalism is without fault.
Neither CS nor myself was saying that either of them was. A free market allows you to opt out when it sucks. Government does not. Freedom is better. Try it.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:41 am@Colonel:Any investigation should also include determining why the Obama Admin sat on its hands for years vis-à-vis foreign intelligence hacking.
That’s another issue in this reporting: supposedly all this terrible hacking is being perpetrated and what is Obama doing about it? Nothing, because he doesn’t want to damage cooperation with Russia in Syria.
But they can act when they want to. When Wikileaks was exposing intelligence, their hands were tied, but once they started leaking things that affected Hillary Clinton all of a sudden they can shut off Assange’s internet access?
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:43 amYes, Gabriel… exactly.
Colonel Haiku (ec6668) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:44 amWashington Post writer Jennifer Rubin describes Trump’s cabinet picks as ‘ignoramuses, billionaires, & a few generals’.
Did Trump hire any General Electric alumni?
So I’m a Beatles fan. There’s this feature length Paul McCartney concert from the Kremlin. Imagine that. Singing ‘Back in the USSR’ in the Kremlin! That’s about an 11 on the cool scale no matter if you are a sheetheel commie underachiever looking to half arse your way through life.
In mid concert who wades through the throng, but Vladimer Putin to take up station in the front row . Didn’t interrupt the party one jot, if anything his arrival with minimal entourage tended to enhance the frivolity of the occasion.
It’s this video more than anything else makes me reassess. Perhaps we are getting a jaundiced picture of the man filtered by the local media.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:45 amTillman, I also believe that the profit motive must be restrained. But, as you see, we’ve got guys here who are okay with restaurants poisoning their fellow citizens as long as those restaurants eventually go out of business because they’ve killed off all their customers. These are the guys who also believe that we will win an economic war of attrition with China.
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:46 am#135 Gabriel, If you think it was wrong for our government to take the lead out of gas (and passing similar laws), then I don’t agree. Our government should do what we want it to and nothing more. We’re a democracy (a Republic, but you know what I mean). When did Republicans become so afraid of demanding change from the government? It can and does happen.
Can the government go overboard, trying too hard to protect us from ourselves? Of course.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:48 am#141 Thank you nk – well said.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:52 amJennifer Rubin knows just how amazon turdlord jeffy bezos likes it and she gives it real good
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:52 am141… Yes, everyone knows an attempt to reduce regulation and make-work programs for progs, along with reducing Government waste will always result in the poisoning of restaurant patrons.
Colonel Haiku (ec6668) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:01 am#134, I don’t really care about what Hillary did or didn’t do much anymore. She lost, so her position on anything is only academic at this point. Anyway, that’s just a “you too” argument.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:02 amFurthermore, they say that the reason Putin went after Hillary is revenge – if so, they were not going to be holding hands in the first place.
Let see there was a tax cheat at treasury, a subprime queen at commerce, a batty bureaucrat at homeland
narciso (d1f714) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:03 am@ Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:29 am, spare us the false moral equivalence. Wherever you have maximum government, i.e. communist totalitarianism, you have an unrestrained criminal enterprise.
Selling heroin to your kids? If you’re worried some government is going to sell drugs to your kid, look at the North Korean involvement in the drug trade. Or the narco-gangster government of Venezuela. Also, capitalism doesn’t send slaves abroad to earn hard currency for a government, or as barter for oil.
http://curacaochronicle.com/politics/slave-labor-victims-of-curacao-dry-dock-get-nod-enforce-67million-usa-claim/
I used to have some dealings with North Korea and their drug trafficking and counterfeiting and kidnapping and terrorism. I’ll compare my disgust to your disgust any day. I’m disgusted by the NORK’s total control zones where three generations of a political prisoner’s family are condemned to such a miserable existence that a good day is when you can supplement your starvation diet by picking corn kernels out of cow s***.
I’m disgusted by the fact that Haitians have to eat dirt.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22902512/ns/world_news-americas/t/haitis-poor-resort-eating-mud-prices-rise/#.WFGJ_FypnVI
And you want to know why? Not enough capitalism. Wherever it is permitted entrepreneurship lifts people out of poverty. Where it is not permitted, in places like North Korea or Cuba, or where it is technically permitted but punished like in Haiti where if you accumulate enough wealth to attract the attention of the politically powerful (which isn’t much) they’ll steal it, people have to eat dirt, grass, and tree bark. Or stand in bread lines like in the Soviet Union while the senior apparatchiks whiz by in their state-provided chauffeured limos on their way to their state-provided dacha for the weekend.
What have you got? Seriously.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:16 amSteve57, Like I said, I’m not anti-capitalist. I just don’t think that it is perfect – a panacea – on its own. Nothing is.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:20 amTillman, government is made of people and businesses are made of people.
As Gabriel Hanna brilliantly points out, capitalism enables a person to opt out from business #1 and take their money to business #2 or business #3.
On the other hand, when you get poor service from government agency #1, where do you take your complaint?
The problem is that you’re looking for perfection and utopia. All we’re saying is that capitalism and free markets provides the most choices and usually better goods and services when a business is competing with the business down the street for return customers.
If you don’t trust a restauranteur to not poison his customers due to his love for humanity, well the fact that he might go out of business makes his customers’ health his concern much more so than the Dear Leaders of Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, care for the health of their citizens.
Stalin famously said that a million people’s deaths is merely a statistic.
The Unites States has to build walls to keep people out. Cuba has to build walls to keep people in. There’s the verdict right there.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:20 am@146, among your other failings you have no grasp of the tu quoque fallacy. I would be a hypocrite if I claimed Hillary! Clinton’s Moscow ties bothered me, but Trump’s don’t. Pointing out that none of us had a choice in the matter is just a simple fact.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:28 amThings Grandpa told me.
Way back in the day gas companies charged a premium for adding lead to your gasoline.
You’d pull up to the pump get ‘regular’ a few cents cheaper than ‘leaded’.
{this was in reference to stations charging more for ‘unleaded’ in the 70’s}
Here’s an interesting tid bit from history. When lead was first added many refinery workers dropped dead from working with the stuff. This was a big hurdle for introducing leaded gasoline in the 20’s.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:33 amUnfortunately the paper of record, The New York Times, being in the pocket of the gas companies along with the Democratic party, pooh poohed public safety and editorialized in 1924 that the deaths should not interfere with the production of more powerful fuel.
Steve57 I have studied logic as a philosophy major (one major of a double-major degree). So I am fully aware of the to quoque fallacy, and many others.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:37 amThanks for letting us in on the secret that nothing is perfect. I think I speak for a great many of us when I say, we didn’t know that.
As long as we’re at it, here’s another platitude. “Don’t let the best be the enemy of the good.”
Here’s Bono not quite getting over the fact he’s become a fan of capitalism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjKyEGDlXA
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:42 amSAY Wasn’t it via government edict that safe cheap Edison style tungsten bulbs were phased out in favor of the ridiculously expensive, dangerous to the public health, mercury vapor twisty lights?
Why yes. Yes it was.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:45 amDon’t waste your time lecturing me Steve57. According to this study, half the millennials in this country don’t support capitalism. (I’m not a millennial.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/26/a-majority-of-millennials-now-reject-capitalism-poll-shows/
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:50 amCapitalism is a democratic economic system to determine distribution of finitely available and accessible resources. It becomes dysfunctional with establishment of monopolies and practices. Capitalism practiced by self-moderating, responsible individuals is capable of optimally reconciling moral, natural, and personal imperatives. That said, while a religious/moral philosophy is sufficient to moderate most people’s behavior, competing interests are required to prevent others from running amuck. The advantage of capitalism properly practiced is that it uses a small step size to mitigate global warming and avoid catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.
n.n (9c291f) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:53 amThe American industry {outsourced to China} hired Democrat party is always trying to poison and kill us with their government edicts.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:53 amTrust but verify. Run your restaurant any way you want, CS, but I’ll want health inspectors to come around and do DNA tests on the “chicken” in case you’ve gone into partnership with the rat catcher next door. IYKWIMAIYD 😉
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:55 amHas anyone ever made the connection between lead added dementia in the 20’s and the stock market crash /great depression of the 30’s?
When the whole country and world suffers a collective brain impairment that has to have a consequence.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:58 amDoesn’t it?
#155 Oh, you mean the florescent bulbs, that ones that businesses had been using for decades (in office buildings and warehouses)? Yeah. Maybe that was an oversight.
Tillman (a95660) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:58 amThings Momma told me.
Stop playing with that mercury. It’s poison. {when I had become fascinated with the remains of a broken thermometer}
Mom probably didn’t know that while mercury in it’s liquid metallic form is hypothetically dangerous, it’s exponentially less dangerous than mercury in a vapor form. Breathing it in delivers mercury directly into your bloodstream, whereas drinking it most likely will deliver it directly to stool.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 11:05 amOffice workers are less likely to imagine they have a say as to what type of deadly poisons management exposes them to. Thus the widespread use of florescent lighting.
Hey. I got an idea. Class action lawsuits against mercury vapor lighting in the business sector. \
We should start with banks.
That’s where the money is.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 11:11 amCan I get an Amen? And a lawyer?
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 11:12 ampapertiger, it’s odd that you’re fixated on mercury. The only piece of legislation that Barack Obama (and his staffers) ever drafted, introduced, and got passed through Congress and signed by the POTUS into law was the Mercury Export Ban of 2008, which outlawed practices that American industry had already abandoned.
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/14/2016 @ 12:17 pm^^^ As a U.S. Senator, I meant, in #165 above.
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/14/2016 @ 12:17 pmI could have double majored, Tillman. I had enough credits to tack on a religious studies degree to go along with my Poli Sci degree. But even then I figured out life was going to be hard enough with a Poli Sci degree without future employers worrying I also had a degree in Bible thumping.
And nothing could have been further from the truth. The religious studies courses I took were in Islam. And my training tells me that logical fallacies are not fallacies in every and all situations. For instance argumentum ad hominem. When used incorrectly, attacking your opponents character instead of the content of their argument is a logical fallacy. But when your opponent is arguing in bad faith it isn’t fallacious to point that out. And in my study of Islam I learned that arguing in bad faith is fundamental to Islam. You can’t be better than your god, and according to the Quran Allah is the best of deceivers. Surah 3:28 says that Muslims are not only allowed to lie to protect the ummah, they are obligated to do so.
The consonantal root for those words is the same as Taqiyya, which is of course lying about the Muslim identity. As one of the sahaba, or Muhammad’s companions, put it, “We smile in some people’s faces, but in our hearts we curse them.” If you’re so inclined, you can watch videos of debates between Christian and Muslim apologists about such subjects as whether or not the violence in the Quran is prescriptive, and groups such as the Islamic State are theologically correct for taking the Quran at its word. The Quran designates the prophet, Muhammad, as the ultimate authority on such matters, and that he is the “excellent example” Muslims must follow if they wish to enter paradise and avoid hell. You find that example in the hadith collections. Sunnis comprise at least 85% of the entire Muslim population, and each of their six canonical texts have a chapter or volume on Jihad which is NOT some internal spiritual struggle (jihad can mean that, but none of their holy writ wastes any time discussing that form of jihad) but waging warfare against unbelievers. And the Shia believe the same thing.
But I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard the Christian debater quote a hadith, citing chapter and hadith number, and the Muslim will denounce it as a “fabrication.” Not only isn’t it a fabrication, but under normal circumstances a Sunni who denies a Sahih (genuine or valid) hadith risks death as an apostate. A Sunni who does so insults Muhammad, and per Sunan abu Daud, The Book of Prescribed Punishments, Chapter 2, the punishment for insulting Muhammad is death (just ask the editors at Charlie Hebdo). The two Sahihs, al Bukhari and Muslim, are only slightly below the Quran in terms of authority. Every single hadith is Sahih; Sunnis must accept them. Yet it’s perfectly fine when arguing with a non-Muslim to commit what is otherwise blasphemy.
Taqiyya is just one form of what Muslims call “outwittings.” There’s also kitman, which is lying by omission. Muslims most often do this by citing part of 5:32 to deny that Islam is violent. If anyone kills “it shall be as if he had killed all mankind.” They don’t cite the whole verse, because then you’d know that was the command for the children of Israel, and Allah mentions it as a form of rebuke because the Jews interpreted that too leniently. And that 5:33 is the command for the Muslims, and Allah leaves no doubt about who Muslims are supposed to kill, why, and how. Then there’s Tawriyya, which can be best described as a form of perjury. The speaker speaks in such a way that his audience gets one impression, but he has a secret meaning and his language technically supports that secret meaning. A classic example is that of King Negus of Abyssinia, who gave asylum to some Muslims fleeing Mecca. According to the story the king was so impressed with the Muslims he converted. When his subjects got wind of that they confronted him as theirs was a Christian nation and they would not tolerate a non-Christian king. So the king pinned a note on the inside of his tunic over his heart which said, “There is no god but Allah, his prophet is Muhammad, and Jesus is his humble slave.”
When his subjects accused him of leaving Christianity, he asked them what they believed. Of course they professed their faith in Christ. So the king put his hand over his heart, and therefore the note he was concealing, and said, “And I believe this.” His subjects thought he was agreeing with them and went away satisfied.ex
Muruna is “blending in.” A Muslim can violate any and every bit of Sharia if that’s what it takes to convince his enemies he’s not really a Muslim. It’s why the 9=11 hijackers could booze it up and go to strip clubs. It’s also why the Islamic State tells its adherents to wear a crucifix (unless they have passports or other travel documents that give away their obviously Islamic identities), go to bars, etc., when trying to convince western governments that they’re refugees.
The point of all this is that it isn’t a logical fallacy to point it out when an opponent is using one of these tactics. Nor is it a logical fallacy to point out that except for Gary Johnson everybody running for President had Kremlin ties.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 12/14/2016 @ 12:32 pm#159 nk, now you’re accusing me of not wanting health inspectors to visit restaurants?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/14/2016 @ 12:56 pmOy vey.
Your nostalgia for Senator Obama confuses me, Beldar.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 12:59 pmI want to go after the makers/distributors/popularisers of the fluorescent light.
As luck would have it the answer to all three of those conditions is General Electric.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 1:16 pmI hate them anyhow for inflicting MSNBC on us, polluting the electromagnetic spectrum in a similar fashion to how they pollute the office air with their mercury fumes.
Oh look–another totally made-up sob story that claimed Muslim hate that will never get the coverage the original lie did. Police did their job. Media didn’t, because it was too good to check. Getting tired of this.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/muslim-woman-reported-trump-supporter-attack-made-story-article-1.2910944
elissa (c709c7) — 12/14/2016 @ 3:27 pm#159 nk, now you’re accusing me of not wanting health inspectors to visit restaurants?
Oy vey.
Well, actually, I’m accusing you of making a lot of meaningless noises that could mean anything. Like a Trump speech.
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 3:45 pmsomeone’s sleepin lord kumbaya
happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/14/2016 @ 3:55 pm123. elissa (c709c7) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:46 am
Probably sometime in the 1990s, although it goes back into the 1980s. It;s also true about Russia. China has been referred to a kleptocracy for some time, although it is really governed by a military junta, disguised as a Communist dictatorship, disguised as a republic responsive to the people.Definitely by the time this article was written in 2012:
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-chinese-kleptrocracy-works-2012-6
Sammy Finkelman (dfe091) — 12/14/2016 @ 4:38 pm@nk: Why do health inspectors have to be government, and not the inspectors hired by the insurance company that has to pay on the liability for food poisoning?
Who inspects and rates electrical appliances? Underwriter’s Laboratories. Not the government.
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:10 pmWho inspects and rates electrical appliances? Underwriter’s Laboratories. Not the government.
Research this a little bit more. Federal level: Consumer Products Safety Commission; OSHA; FDA; NHTSA; FAA; NTSB; FCC; just for a start.
Local level: The building code of any city with more than one street.
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:21 pm@nk: Building codes don’t cover hair dryers, in my experience, but leave that aside.
Yes, the status quo is that government does a lot of regulating and inspection. That does not mean only government can do it. I do not object to the thing being done. I object to the government doing it. Your lists of alphabet soup agencies is the very best evidence to that effect–is every single one of them truly necessary for safe electrical appliances?
Is there not one agency to abolish, not one regulation to remove, not one inspector who can be laid off?
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:29 pmHVAC systems, hot water heaters, lighting fixtures, smoke detectors, fire alarms, electrical electrical signs, etc., etc. …. Lots and lots and lots with a Circle UL that are not hairdryers. If you meant hairdryers in the first place, you shoulda said so, instead of throwing out giant strawmen and then saying “I only meant this little piece of straw”.
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:41 pmThere is an older lady of my acquaintance whom I pick up and drive to events sometimes because she is uncomfortable driving at night. The first time I went to her house she told me to park behind the house “in the driveway”. When I got there all I saw was a grassy strip and no driveway. When I knocked on the door to make sure I was in the right spot she laughed and said “oh I call it the driveway because that’s where the driveway was supposed to be. You probably didn’t see a garage either, did you?”
She went on to explain that when she and her late husband were building their house in 1961 the village building inspector gave them a hassle about the garage setback, codes, etc. This went on and on for months over stupid trivial stuff. Finally her husband figured out that a small gratuity was what was expected to get the paperwork OK’d and he told the inspector to eff off. He also told his wife there would not be a garage. So winter and summer in Chicago– boiling heat and snow and ice for 55 years there has been no garage. Her husband died in 1993 and I’m sure that skeevy building inspector is long gone, too. Since there is room back there for both a one car garage and a driveway I asked if she had possibly considered re-applying for a garage permit. She said “no”, that she wasn’t going to pay those crooks a dime.
elissa (c709c7) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:56 pm@nk: You can ignore the question as long as you like. I’m not going to do argument clinic with you.
Is there not one agency to abolish, not one regulation to remove, not one inspector who can be laid off?
Why does the government have to do inspections of this sort? You have never had any answer than “because government is doing it now and has for a long time” and your efforts to avoid answering this question convince me that you have no other answer.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:58 pmIt’s an illness in blue states…
LIST OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGENCIES:
The reason California is broke and will remain broke.
California Academic Performance Index (API)
California Access for Infants and Mothers
California Acupuncture Board
California Administrative Office of the Courts
California Adoptions Branch
California African American Museum
California Agricultural Export Program
California Agricultural Labor Relations Board
California Agricultural Statistics Service
California Air Resources Board (CARB)
California Allocation Board
California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority
California Animal Health and Food Safety Services
California Anti-Terrorism Information Center
California Apprenticeship Council
California Arbitration Certification Program
California Architects Board
California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board
California Arts Council
California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus
California Assembly Democratic Caucus
California Assembly Republican Caucus
California Athletic Commission
California Attorney General
California Bay Conservation and Development Commission
California Bay-Delta Authority
California Bay-Delta Office
California Biodiversity Council
Califor nia Board for Geologists and Geophysicists
California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
California Board of Accountancy
California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology
California Board of Behavioral Sciences
California Board of Chiropractic Examiners
California Board of Equalization (BOE)
California Board of Forestry and Fire Protection
California Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
California Board of Occupational Therapy
California Board of Optometry
California Board of Pharmacy
California Board of Podiatric Medicine
California Board of Prison Terms
California Board of Psychology
California Board of Registered Nursing
California Board of Trustees
California Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians
California Braille and Talking Book Library
California Building Standards Commission
California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education
California Bureau of Automotive Repair
California Bureau of Electronic and Appliance Repair
California Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation
California Bureau of Naturopathic Medicine
California Bureau of Security and Investigative Services
California Bureau of State Audits
California Business Agency
California Business Investment Services (CalBIS)
California Business Permit Information (CalGOLD)
California Business Portal
California Business, Transportation and Housing Agency
California Cal Grants
California CalJOBS
California Cal-Learn Program
California CalVet Home Loan Program
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This, and all the pensions that go along with them! Any questions?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:58 pmHow was under the colonels, were they big on licenses
narciso (d1f714) — 12/14/2016 @ 6:59 pm@elissa: nk’s alphabet soup reinforces your story. These agencies and redundancies are necessary for people to have opportunities for rent-seeking, if honest, and graft if dishonest. And always for the “protection of the public”.
Which is why eyebrow threaders have to become licensed cosmetologists and why in Florida interior decorators need licenses.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:00 pm@ Steve57: Thanks for your comment (#167) which included this bit:
This brought to mind a more recent scene — video from this campaign season in which Hillary Clinton insisted that she respects the Second Amendment, for example. (As her personal security detail & Secret Service protection all packed.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:02 pm@elissa: When I lived in Wisconsin I had to have a plumber out. As he worked his wily and expensive arts he discovered he needed to run some power to someplace new, and I asked him then about did he have to have a separate license for that? Oh, did I get an earful. He needed 17 licenses to do his job, some from Wisconsin and some from Minnesota since he worked in both states, and all of them requiring fees paid to the state governments, travel to seminar and refresher classes, etc.
Gabriel Hanna (14083c) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:05 pmMy story is a little different. My family has owned rental units in Chicago since 1971 and one time my father thought he needed to slip an inspector a little mordida. The inspector told him, “I’m not taking it and let me show you why you should not offer it to any other inspector”. Then the inspector put a scratch on the stair-rail varnish with his fingernail, and said “If I wanted to, that could be a violation”.
We never had problems with inspectors. Most of them own buildings themselves and/or are members of construction unions alternating between their city jobs and their private jobs from season to season. Same thing with housing courts — many of the judges are also investment property owners.
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:05 pmIs there not one agency to abolish, not one regulation to remove, not one inspector who can be laid off?
Sure. The guys at the FDA responsible for heart-lung machines. Let the market take care of it. When a cardiac transplant surgeon loses enough patients, he’ll buy a machine that works. (See Cruz Supporters comment at 8:38 am)
Argument clinic? You and Cruz Supporter are are the ones arguing thin air, Gabriel, with your nebulous armchair economic theories that have no connection to the real world or to actual human behavior.
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:13 pmWell, you mustn’t discount that you also have that Greek charm going for you too, nk. Not everybody does. 🙂
elissa (c709c7) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:14 pmAnd my father was even better looking and more personable. Or maybe the inspector was like him, just another working man trying to do the best he could for himself and his family.
nk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:18 pmChina ‘doesn’t need no stinking badgers’ as long as one has baksheesh or wastage,
narciso (d1f714) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:28 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stink_badger
stinking badgers are a real taxonomy.
Next best thing to polecats.
papertiger (c8116c) — 12/14/2016 @ 9:36 pmshipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 12/13/2016 @ 7:00 am
They are saying the second one, which was the older, but less skilled, hacking group, and worked for the GRU.
They are not sure about the first group, whether it is part of the FSB (successor to the KGB) or is an independent Russian spy agency, but hat is a newer group that first started working around 2014. The GRU group had no idea of the first group, because they re-downloaded some of the same files.
The hacking was detected because of the second group, although the FBI, or one solitary FBI agent named Adrian Hawkins, did warn the DNC in September, 2015 about the first group, but Yared Tamene, who reported to 37-year old Andrew Brown, the Technology Director for the DNC, but actually did not work for the DNC, but worked for a Chicago company called the MIS Department, tried to verify that, but couldn’t, and then after that refused to respond to his voice mail messages and return his calls, because he said, he even suspected he was a hoaxer making prank calls.
Or at least that’s what he wrote in a later internal memo, which somebody at the DNC leaked to the New York Times.
Here is some comment about that company:
https://www.facebook.com/themisdepartment/
One comment there:
Patronage may get you these results.
Andrew Brown knew that Tamene was getting calls from the FBI, but he was busy trying to frame the Bernard Sanders campaign for spying on Hillary’s campaign.
Sammy Finkelman (dfe091) — 12/15/2016 @ 8:08 amHey Patterico, this is my first comment since the election. I was going to wait until Trump appoints a bunch of Scalia clones (let it be so), but your mention of CPAP cut short my boycott.
I tried a CPAP, and it was not helpful. I was swallowing air, feeling the mask on my face, and getting less sleep than ever. So, I am currently trying an oral appliance instead, and it seems to be helping. No electricity needed. Here’s what an oral appliance looks like:
http://www.kramerfamilydentistry.com/images/IMG_1911.JPG
In case you don’t know about this kind of device, it basically juts your lower jaw forward, which opens up the breathing passage. And then you go back to normal after waking up. The concept of thrusting the jaw forward to clear the airway is a very old CPR technique, and is increasinly used to treat sleep Apnea. FYI.
Andrew (00e28b) — 12/15/2016 @ 5:21 pmSo we learn that CPAP is not the last word in this, and there are non-amateur alternatives that more people will actually use, but nobody heard about it for along time, but it is slowly spreading.
It probabaly isa lot cheaper too.
Fortunatly this probably does not need any kind of approval from the FDA – at least to be sed, maybe because it is already established for another purpose. But perhaps the FDA prevents advertising this for sleep apnea.
Donald Trump probably doesn’t even understand or know about the problem, and even if his appointees to HHS and the FDA do, it’ll take quote some doing to get rid of unnecessary aprovals and delays without just abandoning all efforts for safety. The bureacratic problem exists in most of the rest of the world too.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 12/16/2016 @ 3:06 amnk (dbc370) — 12/14/2016 @ 7:13 pm
I think that, within three years or less, there’ll be more lives left wih that kind of system than what we’ve got now. Of course each individual doctorwould be better waiting two years for other physicians to try things out.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 12/16/2016 @ 3:08 amCruz Supporter (102c9a) — 12/14/2016 @ 10:20 am
Cuba doesn’t have walls, except maybe around Guantanamo, but ships, and the U.S. Coast Guard to help out since 1980. After the Mariel boatlift, Jimmy Carter made a deal in which Cunba keeping its people penned in was regarded as a favor to the United States. I think the United states os even paying the Cuban government, but that may be wrong.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 12/16/2016 @ 3:12 am