Rush Limbaugh: I Never Took Trump Seriously on Deportation
The three-minute clip is worth listening to in its entirety, to hear the caller rip up Rush with the facts:
Here is the transcript:
CALLER: Thanks for taking my call, Rush. I just wanted to comment on your comment that you just made about Trump and his illegal — and his deportation shift. I just distinctly heard you say it’s not considered a flip-flop. And I just want to tell you, you’re doing a disservice to all of us Republican primary voters who didn’t vote for Trump that are struggling with whether or not to vote for Trump, when you diminish the impact of his single policy that he ridiculed all other candidates for for over a year.
I mean, John Kasich classically said on the debate stage — he laughingly said — “Come on, folks, this isn’t serious. He’s not gonna deport everyone.” And Trump went ahead and ridiculed everybody who wasn’t for deportation. And for all of us who were saying that it was a con job, that it was a snow job — that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, that he’s unqualified to be president — for you to sit here and say that now that he adopts all the positions of everybody he ridiculed as not even being a flip-flop and it’s no big deal? This is why so many Republican voters have such a hard time going to the con man!
RUSH: Well, in the first place, I don’t think Trump has actually changed that much from what I he said. And I am also not aware that he told every Republican they had to agree with him or else whatever he was gonna do to them, he did. I’m just… The point of… What is it that you’re —
CALLER: With all due respect, Rush, on Chuck Todd’s show he specifically said when asked the question, “You mean, you’re gonna rip the families apart?” He said, “No, I’m not gonna rip the families apart. They all have to go, even the US citizen children.” He then got in the middle of the debate between Marco and Ted. When Ted wanted legalization and Marco wanted citizenship as part of a comprehensive plan, he said, “They’re both wrong, they’re both being absurd, they all have to go or we don’t have a nation of laws.” Come on! You were watching the debates as the rest of us were! You know exactly what he said and you know exactly how he ridiculed everybody on that stage!
RUSH: Yeah? Well, I guess the difference is — or not the difference. I guess the thing is… This is gonna enrage you. You know, I could choose a path here to try to mollify you, but —
CALLER: (chuckles)
RUSH: — I never took him seriously on this.
CALLER: But 30 million — or 15 or 10 million… Excuse me. Ten million people did.
RUSH: Yeah, and they still don’t care! My point is they still don’t care! They’re gonna stick with him no matter what.
As Allahpundit notes, Rush sure did seem to take the idea of mass deportation seriously in November 2015:
I’m the mayor of Realville, and I do happen to react literally to things. So when people say things, I interpret what they say literally. I’m not gonna assume they don’t mean it. I’m not gonna assume they’re exaggerating. When somebody says something, I’m gonna believe they mean it. And if they say, “There’s no way we could do it! We couldn’t do it. We couldn’t round up people. We couldn’t find them! We couldn’t separate the families.” Well, there are people that know how to do it, and have been doing it for a long time. All we would have to do is ask them how they do it.
So is he just saying that he didn’t take Trump seriously on the issue? If so, did he ever say this? It appears not. He sure did seem to believe him on the whole “Mexico will pay for the wall” thing:
Rush in April: Contra skeptics, I know Trump can really build wall & make Mexico pay. https://t.co/Y3c9njn6Pe pic.twitter.com/sjmZaN7Nxq
— Tim Miller (@Timodc) August 30, 2016
This is not to trash Rush specifically, but the phenomenon of putting your faith in a huckster, and then sticking with him even when he nullifies the very reasons you initially believed in him.
It took years of effort for Rush Limbaugh to make conservative talk radio into a political force that paved the way for Fox News and conservative onine media like Drudge and Breitbart. It only took Rush, Fox, Drudge, etc., one year and one candidate to throw it away.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:48 amWhen you make your living — or even just your reputation — on commentary, you can’t be seen to change your mind, even if it means denying things you’ve obviously said before.
CayleyGraph (ab7edd) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:51 amIt’d be nice if we could prevent this by no longer rewarding pundits who prevaricate when called out on mistakes, but “we” find our number constantly added to by new people who are too inexperienced to appreciate the problems with these sorts of shifts — or worse, people who have unstated goals that aren’t hurt by lies on other subjects.
Professional political pundits find professing personal paltry precision predicates poverty.
CayleyGraph (ab7edd) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:54 amOr perhaps some folks are more attuned to what’s at stake, DRJ.
That’s not to say I’m happy with the job done on my preferred candidate, Ted Cruz.
Colonel Haiku (65fb70) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:56 amA propensity for pusillanimous propagation…
Colonel Haiku (65fb70) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:58 amI haven’t listened to Limbaugh for a long time. Trump is a better person than Limbaugh, in any respect you’d care to mention, and you know how much that’s worth. Limbaugh is nothing more than self-aggrandizing, self-seeking, self-indulgent hot air, with the same gullibles who are fooled by Trump as his core audience (and even there Trump beats him by a factor of four or five).
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:04 am@2 Cayley: Limbaugh could have remained consistent by saying instead, “I’m concerned that Trump seems to be backing down on his deportation policy. We need to encourage him to stand firm and not go back on what we trusted he was going to do.” But that’s not the route Limbaugh has chosen to take on this, and I suspect it’s going to let down not just the non-Trump supporters like this caller, but also Trump supporters who liked Trump’s former stance on deportation.
Joshua K. (9ede0e) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:09 amHey stupid, you want Hillary’s immigration policies.
otto (c0cd17) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:18 amI would take this opportunity to say what I think about Limbaugh and Trump, but I think that picture says more about them than my words ever could.
Leviticus (efada1) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:25 amOh my god, you people are right! We gotta defeat this flip flopper and elect Hillary post haste!
LBascom (e37049) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:29 amIf you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
AZ Bob (c5d9fc) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:34 amOh, and on this “They’ll have to pay taxes” crap. For most people, a dependent on your income tax must be a citizen permanent resident of the United States. Not Mexican or Canadian dependents. Mexicans or Canadians can claim all of their “dependents” in Mexico or Canada. And consider it in relation to the Earned Income Tax Credit, too. Trump’s amnestied illegals will not be paying taxes — they will be getting paid from your taxes.
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:36 amcitizen *or* permanent resident
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:37 amI never liked Limbaugh; Savage can be outrageous and unhinged at times, but he spoke to me more as a fellow urbanite.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:48 amTrump understands — and relies upon — the inability of people like Rush and Coulter to admit they were taken in.
So, the Emperor’s Clothes are spectacular!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:50 amOh, and on this “They’ll have to pay taxes” crap.
The Gang of 8 bill had a “pay taxes” requirement. Also a fine. And, sure, Trump may still say they can’t become citizens. But that has an expiry date, too.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:52 amI hate to point this out to you nk, but immigrants, legal and illegal alike, are paid from our taxes the minute they arrive. Immigration has become just one more recruitment tool of the left. Bring’em in, giv’em stuff, sign’em to vote. They have aliens both legal and not however not citizens voting in every election. Now they have felons. If they could get Martians they’ be in line behind the dead. I’m around immigrants all the time. Mostly legal, some illegal and about 30% of them vote. All democrat. It’s just the way it is and when we complain we’re “raaaaacists”.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:55 amEvery promise, pledge, statement and prediction by a politician has an expiration date, Kevin M. You should know that. And every new law passed to “fix” something never fixes it and never expires.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:59 amSay, how come ropelight and papertiger aren’t here defending this?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:00 amAnd every new law passed to “fix” something never fixes it and never expires.
Tax cuts do.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:01 amBTW, that last is WHY I want a constitutional amendment barring illegal entrants from ever becoming citizens.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:02 amTrump’s appeal to Rush and Colter is that he isn’t afraid to fight dirty especially against the media. They saw McCain and Romney as being far too polite. Trump is as nasty as Dingy Harry. Is that bad?
AZ Bob (c5d9fc) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:04 amIt’s easy to resolve the apparent contradictions.
Rush Limbaugh thought that Trump meant it, or you had to assume that he did, and he thought it was not impossible to round up people, but he never thought Trump would go ahead and do it.
He was being very, very, charitable to Trump in saying it could be done. Only in a technical sense. You could put land mines on the border and in coastal waters outside of specified channels, too, but it won’t happen.
He may have gone a bridge too far, there.
Rush Limbaugh knew that, at some point, Trump would be confronted by reality: political reality, financial reality and legal reality, and modify his position, especially since Congress would never supply the money, and also it’s not legally possible to deport children who are American citizens, and Trump said he’d deport them with their parents.
There was no way for what Trump said would happen to really happen in any realistic scenario.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:05 amRush also defended Trump’s claim to make Mexico pay. The only problem with that is that it may not be authorized by U.S. law; it would be tremendously disruptive; and Mexico might not cave in and could instead retaliate with other anti-U.S. measures that did more to hurt the United States than what the U.S. would be doing to itself.
And then the “war” would end without a victory.
But let’s look closely at what Rush Limbaigh said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Timodc/status/770445458418327552/photo/1
Meaning, not absolutely zero.
There’s a more than 0% chance it could work.
Not maybe a lot more than zero.
That’s all he said.
He immediately goes on to talk about how Trump’s supporters like it. Rush does not sound like he thinks the chances are really good – what’s important, he says, is that Trump’s fans like it.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:09 amVersus
Emphasis added by me in both quotes.
There may be ways to parse their complete statements to resolve the apparent contradictions. However, since some of Trump’s promises involved in attaining the nomination include:
… you can see how those of us who didn’t want to nominate him would want an admission from a pundit that Trump’s previous statements — regarding both his immigration policy and his estimation of competing immigration policies — were incorrect.
CayleyGraph (ab7edd) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:14 amI don’t think any of those pundits will produce such an admission, because followers are attracted to confidence, and professional pundits need followers to get paid.
Do away with Hollywood tax credits and institute a 75% tax rate on west and east coasts to a point 20 miles inland and a special rate of 80% on Chicago to cover gun/gang violence, political malfeasance, incompetence, fraud, and general d-baggery.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:14 am2nd that, Col.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:19 amThe people crying about Rush would rather listen to Paul i give in Ryan.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:21 am24:
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:22 am…or just get narcos in whatever form to brazenly cover the costs via a gaudy 10 BB check, maybe agree to exit low-grade marijuana trafficking (boob-bait for bubbas who used to mine coal).
Haiku:
So pundits should lie to help their candidates win? Because that’s what Rush did and you are excusing.
Obviously some candidates and pundits are willing to lie, cheat, or do whatever it takes, especially in this election. Apparently some Americans agree and applaud that behavior if they think it helps them win. But why should I trust anyone — candidate, pundit, or supporter — who has no character?
DRJ (15874d) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:22 amTrump is as nasty as Dingy Harry. Is that bad?
Dirty Harry aimed.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:26 amRush Limbaugh thought that Trump meant it, or you had to assume that he did, and he thought it was not impossible to round up people, but he never thought Trump would go ahead and do it.
So his defense is that he was IN ON THE CON?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:27 amThe people crying about Rush would rather listen to Paul i give in Ryan
Rather Paul “Know which battles to fight” Ryan.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:28 am“Politics ain’t beanbag”
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:34 amRush ought to have gone against Trump. He ought to have been honest about what he thought, he ought to have made clear to people who Trump is.
Rush didn’t. In a decision between power and principle, he quietly chose the former with the expectation that Trump would do better against Hillary.
Rush not only betrayed us. He betrayed America.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:01 amPaul Ryan works for the Chamber of Commerce, he should be hung.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:02 amYOU shouldn’t, DRJ. That’s very principled, just be prepared to live with the consequences of your stand.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:10 amOMG… Ted Cruz is TOAST!!!!!
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/242613/
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:14 am32.Rush Limbaugh thought that Trump meant it, or you had to assume that he did, and he thought it was not impossible to round up people, but he never thought Trump would go ahead and do it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:27 am
His defense would be that what Trump said was not a false promise, but a defensible assertion, but – WHAT HE DIDN’T SAY – highly unlikely to happen. (Highly unlikely also that Trump would stick with it. But he never said Trump would)
For instance Nexico paying for the wall, could conceivably happen, if at least two thirds of the American public was strongly for it (not only building the wall, but having Mexico pay for it.)
Then they’d put up with all the pain and not give in. Otherwise, Mexico would count on the U.S. caving in, and not Mexico, and probably up the ante.
It’s like a strike. Only here, there’s nothing in it for Mexico – you’re demanding pure loss.
Here’s how it went:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/04/05/trump_s_plan_to_make_mexico_pay_for_the_wall_by_blocking_money_transfers
Later he talks about money transfers that have been stopped in the past. US banks stopped money transfers to Somalia. Sometimes from individual criminals. Also, it could be taxed.
Rush Limbaugh didn’t want to take sides in a Republican primary, and he was defending Trump’s voters, really, that they are not fools who believe in the impossible. He was defending the idea as not ridiculous and impossible.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:17 amSo, Trump is a bullshitter, plus, he’s an a-hole. Agree. I’m still voting for him come Nov., because, Hillary.
If he does any part of what he talked (bs’d?) about on immigration, it will be a step in the right direction, and 1000% better than the other candidate that you seem to want to elect.
Pick an issue, compare stated positions, then think of how much of each stated position you think is bullshit and will never happen.
When I do this and compare what is likely to occur under each presidency,Trump wins my vote, without ever breaking a sweat. The likelyhood of a delusional Trump pushing The Button and starting WWIII Mis dwarfed by the probability the Hillary will executive order/appoint SC justice into gun confiscation and start a guerilla-level civil war. Both of those scenarios are unlikely, but pretty much across the board Trump beats Hillary
That’s your choice, T or H. Deluding yourself that your opposition to Trump isn’t aiding Hillary may let you feel self-righteous. It’s still wrong.
bud (b7ccad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:19 amRush likes to makes everyone think he’s always one step ahead of everyone.
But he’s not.
That’s why he doesn’t spend much time with pundits and historians — because he would get exposed for his lack of education and knowledge.
Hugh Hewitt, Dennis Prager, and Michael Medved all have pundits and historians and authors on their show for an hour at a time for in-depth conversations.
Rush realizes he doesn’t have the tools to do that.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:19 amlol how the uppercrusty nevertrumpies want people to think they used to be all down with listening to a fat drug addict on am radio
happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:22 amBut he is intelligent enough to not throw in with the sort who seem to find the “banality of evil” espoused by the contemporary liberal to be an acceptably comfortable concept to live with, as they grab their ball and run home.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:24 amAmphipolis (d3e04f) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:01 am
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:25 amCruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:19 am
he may know some things the average historian doesn’t any more, but he gets a lot of things wrong. He doesn’t take enough calls to get corrected. And besides he has said that the purpose of the show is to make the host look good. he allows corrections from his staff, off the air, and maybe if you subscribe and get a special e-mail address, he does correct hmself somewhat.
But sometimes he’s completely off on the wrong track. i.e. Has a misunderstanding of a story. He can go on for a whole day or so with a misunderstanding. He does not like to get corrected on the air.
And it is not that his basic point is so wrong. Sometimes the truth would make a much better point.
I think he’s also phoning in it a lot although he says he doesn’t. And he gets most of his information from the conservative blogosphere, and has lots of news stories (mentioned theer) printed out.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:31 amOh, of course, these #NeverTrumpers who are so concerned with character and honesty by Trump don’t seem too animated about the lack of character and honesty emanating from Hillary.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:33 amMove on ducky.
DNF (755a85) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:33 amThis is not to trash Rush specifically, but the phenomenon of putting your faith in a huckster, and then sticking with him even when he nullifies the very reasons you initially believed in him.
Except it is. For it is Limbaugh who is the huckster. And he has been ‘hucking’ chumps for nearly 30 years.
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Postscript. Findlay, Ohio… forced to live there for a time. Cornfields and crossroads and a corporate airfield to get you out of town.
Called itself ‘Flag City’… one time home to a tire company, a petroleum firm, a Whirlpool plant, a small college and origin of the song, ‘Down By The Old Mill Stream.’ The local paper: Republican Courier. Big city paper: Toledo Blade. Only live entertainment back in the day: HS football & 3.2 beer– and talk radio. The closest big town: Toledo, 50 miles north. Best memory besides getting the hell out: cross feed cable system brought in network NFL football feeds from Detroit, Toledo, Columbus, Ft. Wayne and Cincinnati so on good weekends with 2 TVs, often 6 or 8 games in the days before ESPN… and Fox. Horrid town.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:34 amKevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:27 am
Maybe not exactly, because I think he didn’t think Trump was in on the con.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:35 amCruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:33 am
I don’t know. There may be some people who think character and honesty is a zero sum game – if one candidate has less, then the other one has more.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:37 amSammy,
Occasionally, Hugh Hewitt will devote an entire three hour show to a conversation with an author. That means Hugh actually has read the book, taken extensive notes, and is engaging the author about their work.
So that day’s show becomes about the author and his work.
Rush, Levin, Savage, Hannity, Gallagher … these guys are way too “me, me, me!” to ever consider doing something like that.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:40 am@1.It took years of effort for Rush Limbaugh to make conservative talk radio into a political force that paved the way for Fox News and conservative on[l]ine media like Drudge and Breitbart. It only took Rush, Fox, Drudge, etc., one year and one candidate to throw it away.
Which only tells you how truly weak and shallow the ‘modern’ conservative movement actually is.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:42 amRush Limbaugh does occasionally mention a book and even interview the author. I’m not sure how good the book always is though. (He does more interviews for the Limbaugh Letter)
This one I think is a good book, from what I’ve read of op-ed pieces based on the book:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/07/08/heather_mac_donald_talks_about_her_essential_book_the_war_on_cops
I don’t listen much or get a chance to hear Hugh Hewitt – I think I have heard him but he’s not on a big powerful radio station. I think I can barely get it at night.
So tell me how Hewitt is different. Is it that Rush Limbaugh is basically just letting the author talk, limiting her time, although this author gets a lot, and he also doesn’t do it very much?
I’m not sure when Dennis Prager and Michael Medved are on the air.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:55 amSo, Rush is the enemy of nevertrumpers now huh?
By the time you guys get through throwing all your allies under the bus there won’t be enough of you left to win mayor of Bumfvck North Dakoda.
LBascom (e37049) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:02 amHewitt interviews many shallow and stupid people, and some incisive ones but rAtio is about 8\1.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:10 amnarciso @54 8:1 in favor of the shallow and stupid people, or in favor of the incisive ones?
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:13 amWith Rush it is probably is not less than 1:3 incisive vs not.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:14 am32. 48.
I think, though, the Border Guards union is definitely in on the con.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:15 amLena Dunham
Samuel L. Jackson
Miley Cyrus
Cher
Jon Stewart
Raven Symone
Natasha Lyonne
Omari Hardwick
Spike Lee
Chloë Sevigny
Eddie Griffin
George Lopez
Al Sharpton
Neve Campbell
Rosie O’Donnell
Whoopi Goldberg
Chelsea Handler
All of these people are promising to leave the country if Trump is elected!!
If for no other reason, THIS is a great reason for you NeverTrumpers to vote for him.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:29 amThe former, daniel silva is among the latter.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:37 amReal border security needs the Armed Forces. But then maybe the BPU rank and file is looking forward to wearing blue windbreakers further upland and lowering their risk of melanoma.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:42 amWe can’t use the armed forces, domestically. Posse comitatus,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:56 amPaul Ryan works for the Chamber of Commerce, he should be hung.
For all we know, he is.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 12:00 pmSammy,
Rush rarely interviews an author or historian about their new book.
Whereas Hugh Hewitt routinely interviews high-end authors and historians for an entire hour, and sometimes he even devotes the entire three hour program to a particular author or historian.
Here’s the transcript of an interview he did with Dr Larry Arnn, President of Hillsdale College, (and Professor Ken Calvert)regarding the Middle Ages.
http://www.hughhewitt.com/dr-larry-arnn-dr-ken-calvert-begin-study-middle-ages/
By the way, Sammy, you might be interested in listening to John Batchelor’s nightly show. He broadcasts from NYC.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 12:26 pmjohnbatchelorshow.com
62, dude used to bag black cheerleaders (female) at Miami (OH), so perhaps
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/30/2016 @ 12:43 pmYes but he’s usually interviewing tapper who worked for Chelsea’s mother in law, f chuck a harkin partisan , Ezra Klein, ignorant or malicious people.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 12:51 pmPut it another way, few that are not fundamentally satisfied with current political arrangement, just tinkerers at the margin.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:01 pmnarciso, you’re talking basically the entire leftist hemisphere. They are some of the most malicious, vindictive and hateful people in politics.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:03 pmthis has become hillary clinton for president site. when you attack trump you support hillary .
never hrc (ee291e) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:11 pmDRJ makes a great point. Of course you would be an idiot to believe anything Rush tells you ever again. Just as you’d be a fool to rely on Drudgereport, which shamelessly manipulates our primaries and consistently leads to a crappier candidate, apparently gleeful about it. I don’t think many ever trusted Breitbart, even when Andrew was alive and the organization had some purpose beyond making money. Fox News has too lost its ability to do any good.
Trump fans defend lying by saying one consistent thing: Beat Hillary at any cost. There are two reactions to this.
The practical one is that it’s not working. Rush and Trump have damaged the conservative movement for nothing. As Trump flip flops and flails about trying to win Hispanic voters he thinks are incredibly stupid, he just loses more and more ground. It’s not working and why would it? All of this “why aren’t you helping us beat Hillary” nonsense is delusional. This stuff isn’t actually helping beat her.
The other reaction is the obvious: Integrity is worthwhile for its own sake. People who don’t understand that will never get it, and there’s no reason to attempt to persuade them. And there’s definitely no reason to listen to them. The people in this thread defending dishonesty would be happy to lie to us. Mock and scorn is all they deserve.
Yes, because he shares a lot more in common with Harry Reid, one of his long time pals, than being dishonest. Trump is a democrat, with democrat ambitions. Every single proposal he’s offered that isn’t in line with the democrats has been a departure from his history and something he either has or will flip flop on. His ‘nasty’ move was to destroy any chance the GOP had of winning, and any chance of the GOP nominating a conservative. I’d say that qualifies as bad.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:12 pmi never attack Mr. Trump i’m a very good person
happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:13 pmI love the “anti-Trump is pro-Hillary” comments now that the bait-and-switch con is over.
DrSteve (5936a0) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:19 pmCruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 12:26 pm
I know the show. It’s gone on and off the air.
It’s broadcast at night on WABC – 77) (Rush and hannity have moved to WOR 710) WABC is a strong enough station. Some radio stations seem to have a thin space on the bamd. The lower AM stations anyway are alwasy easy to find. But i never stumble across 970. John gambling is actually back there and apparently some interesting things go on.
I’m not all that impressed by John Batchelor, but he have a lot of information – sometimes he spends a lot of tiem on the same story.
A big problem now is that he seems to have a pro-Putin propagandist (I won’t call him pro-Russian) whom he takes very seriously. That’s his person on call. His only Russian expert.
Stephen F. Cohen – Oh he writes for THE NATION too?
I don’t need other people to say that – I can tell, just by listening to him, what he’s doing, and how wrong and off the wall he is, so wrong he can only be transmitting Russian propaganda, perhaps changhing it a bit to get rid of what won’t work.
Anyway here’s a sample:
From CNN: http://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-trump-putin-and-nato-1470265438
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:21 pmNo trumpers should put down the scepters and take off the crowns.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:23 pmRuling and rolling people by team republican has repulsed enough people to 86 the party.
More Russian propaganda from a Breitbart article by Roger Stone: The DNC was not hacked by Russia but by Guccifer 2.0, who has no connection to Russia.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/05/dear-hillary-dnc-hack-solved-so-now-stop-blaming-russia/
Page down and you see:
The bright spot being Donald Trump.
That was the propaganda in June.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:32 pm“_________ (fill in name) makes a great point…” or “________ (fill in name) is right, of course…” is teh Kiss of Death.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:38 pmRush Limbaugh seems to have almost avoided politics today.
This is only thing political he chose to feature in his Rush in a Hrry show notes:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/08/30/drive_bys_disgusted_by_the_weiner_story_because_trump_talked_about_it
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:38 pm63. Hugh Hewitt at least seems to discuss less timely topics, which is good. Although I think Hewitt’s big interest here is the change in temperatures during the Middle Ages, which is not the main focus of the book, but he talks about other things, too.
This is something called the Hillsdale Dialogue, which he did for the last hour of every week. (on Monday?? Was this from a rebroadcast on President’s Day)
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:45 pmThis is evergreen!!!
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8740/streisand-ill-leave-country-if-trump-wins-michael-qazvini
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:47 pmRich Galen Mullings for Aug 29:
Larry Sabato is somewhat biased, but that’s where the polls more or less are.
Polls also show huge victories in the Republican Senatorial primaries for John McCain in Arizona and Marco Rubio in Florida. A possible factor in Arizona is the heat. Maybe not as big a victory as Paul Ryan had against a no-name pro-Trumper person. This is actually, to a consderable degree caused by general stickiness in favor of incumbents.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:55 pm348+121 = 469. That’s leaving 69 Electoral votes unspoken for.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:57 pmWas Kirkpatrick running unopposed in the Dem primary? Im thinking McCain has an army of defeatist Democrats who ensure that he is the default option just because its almost as “bad” as Texas for them.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/30/2016 @ 1:59 pmI can’t find that, but it’s hard to find something like that.
It seems to be close to something Kasich said in the Town Hall with Anderson Cooper. (not a debate)
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/category/transcripts/
Now, the idea of this being the last amnesty is actually a non-starter. If you say it is, you can’t prove that it is; and in fact, no such thing is reasonable, and no such thing is possible.
This is the thing too many people are hung up on. You will not create a situation where there will never be any more illegal immigrants. Although greatly increasing legal immigration will dimisnih it.
And the back taxes idea is nonsense too, unless a safe harbor is provided, and probably while you’re doing it, do the same thing for everybody.
And the Democrats will never agree to a guest worker program that ties people to a job. Maybe something that ties people to a county or counties or certain job classifications is possible, but we’re running around in circles.
Everybody knows there is no such thing as temporary and no such thing as the last time. You have to start from that.
And neither is there any reason whatsoever to have a quota – a limit – on the total number of legal immigrants per year in the executable portion of any law. The only parts of the law that work are ones where there is no quota. Quotas are a deal destroyer. It’s the first thing they agree to in Congress and it destroys any possibility of passing any legislation. This places different kinds of immigrants in competition with each other and turns everything into a zero sum game. Congress passes no bills of where there is zero sum negotiating. No bill has ever cleared Congress in recent years because they always start off with a number. That’s the same reason why there are always deficits. The only compromise possible is more money for everybody. Start off with a number as the first thing you agree to and you doom any bill.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 2:19 pmSammy,
John Batchelor is one of the greatest of all time!
You can listen to his show live online, and listen to his archived podcasts at your own leisure. On his weekend radio broadcasts, he plays archived interviews with authors and historians.
Steve Cohen is the Russia expert who chats with him for an hour every Tuesday night. Cohen is married to Katrina Vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation magazine.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 2:23 pmBut just because Batchelor has Cohen on the program, doesn’t mean that Batchelor endorses Cohen’s “pragmatism” regarding Putin.
This is what sets conservative talk show hosts apart from the lefties; the conservatives will interview people with different (and differing) points of view.
Batchelor recently interviewed Sid Blumenthal about Sid Vicious’ new book on Abe Lincoln.
Yes there is apparently no Democratic primary for the United States Senate in Arizona. The Democratic pArty is acting very much like a machine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Arizona,_2016
Charles Schumer is probably responsible for thsi situation.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 2:23 pm83. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 2:23 pm
I used to think he was better. He is still OK, but he’s got a Putin propagandist as his Russian expert, and spends too much time on fewer stories
I think it’s easier to use a radio.
If I knew how to use podcasts.
Live?
It’s not his policy prescriptions I’m talking about – it’s Steve Cohen’s facts. John Batchelor seems to think Cohen is a reliable source. Cohen often cites “facts” that I don’t recognise as being true.
I’m still waiting to hear a different point of view on Ukraine and Russia. Bachelor actually uses a limited number of experts.
That’s a little different. He definitely would not be endorsing Blumenthal as a highly reliable source. But he does do that for Steve Cohen.
Maybe Blumenthal isn’t even that inaccurate. I see his book only goes up to 1849 (the end of his term in Congress and inauguration of President Taylor) It’s a pretty safe period for Sidney bumenthal. Almost nothing that can reflect on current events or personalities.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/30/2016 @ 2:34 pmOh, of course, these #NeverTrumpers who are so concerned with character and honesty by Trump don’t seem too animated about the lack of character and honesty emanating from Hillary.
I say this with all due respect CS; Eff you. The only people saying we are voting for Hillary are you and the rest of Trump’s crap artists. Again, this is the fault of the Trumpies and their fellow travelers. IF Trump were not the nominee, Hillary would be down 20 points right now. ONLY the fact that we have a moronic loudmouth bozo of a candidate keeps her in the fight.
We TOLD you we would not be voting for Trump, that he was absolutely UNACCEPTABLE. You didn’t fight hard enough against him and you caved in like the rest of the RINOs when he looked like the winner.
Well, we meant it. Don’t blame us for his loss.
And, if I forgot to say so already, Eff You.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:10 pmI wonder how many flip-flops to Hillary’s positions that Trump has to make before the Trumpies all change their screen names and pretend they were #neverTrump all along.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:12 pmI wonder if Trump will send Limbaugh a thank you note for his aid in attempting to fill the earned media black hole into which Trump has fallen? The credulity and gullibility required to believe Limbaugh and his screened caller were doing any more than reading from a WWE script meant to cap a week’s worth of “What will he do next?” blather to gain a bit of publicity for Trump’s speech tomorrow night is really fantastic. The next trick by the Master Persuader, heading to Detroit to try for some BLM action, is just as ludicrous and just as likely to fail. OFA/BLM has been very disciplined in tamping down its idiocy and probably won’t restart the nonsense until November 9th.
Rick Ballard (3ff5f2) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:21 pmcohen seems to be a russophile, extreme variant, now here’s the reality, more than a few top rodina officers, like generals makarov and nagovitsyn have threatened nuclear commitments, over the last few years, the washington times points out, that volodya has deployed a unit right across the bering straits, and since alaska used to be a russian colony, well we don’t need to read too much into that do we,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:44 pmReally wish Comey would shut up about “hacking into voter data a serious threat”.
Clinton endangering state secrets wasn’t apparently a “serious threat” so why would voter data be serious.
Now, another 15,000 emails after Clinton had said she turned them all over… I lose count… and more coming up re Benghazi, and Congress can’t even see many of them because they are too classified… why the hell would Comey care about a minor and stupid thing like voting.
Like sand through an hour glass, our Republic is slipping away before our eyes.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:45 pmI wonder how these Mrs. Bill Clinton sympathizers/fanboys can sleep at night.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:46 pmDe-facto supporters who willfully ply their trade sans plausible deniability.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:48 pmbecause comey is the administration’s creature, originally schumer’s, but he sold what passes for his soul,
about andrew jackson from the last thread, he was undiplomatic, ruthless, undignified, but if you’re going to vanquish the british the seminoles and other rival factions, you can’t be a soft touch,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:51 pmI wonder how many republicans new what happened in Benghazi and kept their mouths sealed to the pant suit?
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 3:54 pmwell consider those who were on the select committee who were privy to the original intervention, and likely had some notion, of the backgrounds of the some of the rebel trainers, like the elusive abu sufyan bin qumu, that would include the chairman,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 4:00 pmWe’re so screwed.
And yet, what choice do we have?
Ah, well; it was fun while it lasted. America, I hardly knew ye.
DavidD (da856e) — 8/30/2016 @ 4:07 pm#86 Kevin M,
Are you really suggesting I didn’t fight hard enough against Trump’s nomination during the primaries?
Come on, guy.
The archive at this website actually exists.
During the primaries, I told ropelight, papertiger, Mr happyfeet, and other Trump supporters that we just can’t risk nominating Trump for myriad of reasons.
And I’ve said many times recently that if Marco Rubio had become the nominee, he’d be beating Hillary like a drum all the way to 1600 Penn Ave.
I’m just like Colonel Haiku, Rev Hoagie, mg, Gerald A, and others who wanted a nominee other than Trump, but now that he’s the nominee, we’re all voting for him because he’s preferable to Hillary.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 4:15 pmAnd other secret squishy RINOs (LOL) such as John Bolton, William Bennett, Victor Davis Hanson, Dick Cheney, David Horowitz, and Dennis Prager are doing the very same thing.
they can hover macho grande, like nobody else, cs.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 4:18 pmI think it’s funny when people say ” if so and so were running they would be ahead by yuuuge numbers.
Pure wishcasting based on nothing more than biased assertion..
Remember Mr Inevitable, or, as we DON’T call him, President Romney?
Nevertrumpers are like liberals the way Reagan described them; it’s not that they know nothing, it’s that they know so much that isn’t true…
LBascom (eb0b95) — 8/30/2016 @ 4:51 pmLooks like we’re in pretty good company, CS. I wanted it to be Cruz. It’s not Cruz. As I’ve mentioned before, I would vote for ANY of the 16 or 17 people who sought the Republican nomination before I’d vote for all but the top of the ticket, which ends up aiding a criminal enemy of our republic like Mrs. Bill Clinton. It’s an easy choice for me to make. All this castigation and pushback from some of these characters just steels my resolve and provides much amusement.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:03 pmCruz Supporter @97 that’s what’s so disgusting about this whole thing. They all know very well we were not “Trump supporters” during the primary and now we are not “Trump supporters” we’re anti Hillary! supporters. I feel the same way about Hillary! they feel about Trump but for some reason that’s bad to them. They somehow have character and nobility for hating Trump but refuse to recognize the same in us for hating Hillary!. But at this point I’ve been called names and cursed at so I figure just forget it. If hating Trump is more important than stopping a commie from taking over then there is no more I can say.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:07 pmhow are you feeling, hoagie, it’s kind of a quixotic exercise like the black knight, saying it’s just a flesh wound,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:11 pmWell said, Hoagie. I find some of the more mentally unbalanced of them to be sources of amusement, though unintentionally so on their part.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:14 pmGleiche scheisse, otro dia. “Vote for this dog-turd or Hillary! wins.” Ok, then. Hillary! wins. Brace up and live with it the way you’re asking us to live with your dog-turd.
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:23 pmlong live the fighters,
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-08-30/story/challenger-melissa-nelson-defeats-state-attorney-angela-corey-gop
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:27 pmHoagie, there are four groups of folks:
The devout Trump fans who were his fans against conservatives.
The devout partisan shills who told us how terrible Trump was until he was the nominee, and now are carrying water for him because they pretend he’s better than Hillary, but really it’s all about what team he’s on. They will support Hillary over Trump if she was the republican, with the same fervor.
The people who say Trump is awful, Hillary is awful, but they somehow see Trump as less bad than Hillary.
The people who say Trump is awful, Hillary is awful, but they see Hillary as less bad than Trump.
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A lot of the second category pretend they are victims, simply as a sophist’s rhetorical tactic. Obfuscation. Being a Republican in 2016 isn’t easy for the honest.
At any rate, those tears will just wipe away for you and poor Cruz Supporter. Unfortunately the damage Trump has done to the GOP will not, and there’s nothing any of us can do to keep Hillary from being president. In fact, she’s less dangerous to the nation than Trump is.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:32 pmGo bury yer mutton-dagger in a barrel of dog-turds, proggy.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:34 pmSee post 106 for amusingly inept political analysis. He epitomizes the daily self-beclowner.
Prattle on!
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:37 pmmeanwhile the regime is burning the country down,
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/30/leaked-soros-memo-federally-controlled-police/
and empowering an army of voldemort’s (time magazine surprisingly has little to say about the drone army, which you are all too familiar with,)
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:40 pm“In fact, she’s less dangerous to the nation than Trump is.”
Now this is delusional.
She will simply do what she wants, a sociopath interested in herself and ultimate power, fortune and control. You will probably wish for the “good ol’ Obama days”
PTS (ce7fc3) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:45 pmAnd why don’t you save the ninth-grader shtick for the kids you try to entice on Instagram, Haiku.
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:46 pmAnd she can take Muffler Man with her. What was his name- James Brolin?
Bill H (971e5f) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:02 pmThere are only two types if Republicans. Those that are patriots, and those that are spoiled brats pitching a fit because they didn’t get their way.
LBascom (eb0b95) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:02 pmthey won’t leave unless we rendition them out, and doing that to australia, could be considered an act of war, even by trumbull’s standards.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:04 pmdefectors are useful, take whittaker chambers, or morton storm, but they have to prove their bonafides,
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/30/health/gw-hires-former-islamic-extremist/index.html
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:17 pmYes, Bill H. The high point of his career – other than Marcus Welby, MD – was that role in “Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure”. After seeing a recent photo of teh Babs, I felt some empathy for him, though.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:24 pmwell he was pretty good in hotel, but that was 30 years ago, of course, he spawned the punk josh brolin who plays thuggish gangster and corrupt cops, because like alec baldwin he’s not acting,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:27 pmBy Thor’s mighty hammer, I am sincerely hoping that’s not your modus operandi, nk… your tendency to project is worrisome.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:28 pmHey, narciso… if you want to see a funny movie that even Baldwin can’t ruin (he’s pretty good, in fact), look for “Thick As Thieves”. Funny stuff.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:31 pmColonel Haiku, Rev Hoagie;
In #106, our friend Dustin wrote, “They will support Hillary over Trump if she was the republican, with the same fervor.”
He’s accusing us of supporting Hillary if she were a Republican when he’s actually supporting Hillary while she’s a Democrat.
Sometimes it feels like an episode of The Twilight Zone written by George Orwell, huh?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:38 pmYeah, I remember watching the tv series ‘Hotel’ as a youngin’.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:42 pmThat Connie Selleca was pretty hot.
he’s going to be in the warren beatty film about howard hughes, playing bob maheu, maheu was yuge, and didn’t suffer fools, actually he would have buried the likes of baldwin in the desert.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:44 pmmartin sheen, is playing noah dietrich, the role played by another actor in the aviator, beatty is older than hughes when he died at age 70.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 6:47 pmnarciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:40 pm
Soros wants guidelines. Trump’s law and order speech said he wanted actual control of local police and prosecutors.
Although last week he said Chicago’s police was a mattet for the city and its mayor, not for him. So he was probably saying something because it sounded good at the time, not because he actually wanted to do that.
Or maybe someone explained to him that police and prosecutors are not federal employees in the interim.
kishnevi (4490a8) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:02 pmjohn c. reilly was the one,
right, you keep telling yourself that, localities like los angeles, new york, philadelphia which do nothing to stem the violent crime get the cheese,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:06 pmBrolin stole valor as the lead (fighter pilot) in the syndicated “Pensacola: Wings of Gold” series. And he was Ronald in the dreaded Reagans TV biography where Reagan was falsely attributed with the “he who lives with sin dies of sin” saying.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:07 pmBTW
Rubio has won his primary rather handily. He will face Patrick Murphy, who beat Alan Grayson and two no-name black candidates. Debbie Wasserman survived her primary 52% to Canova’s 47%.
And Augustus Sol Invictus lost his primary.
kishnevi (4490a8) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:09 pmWhats even sadder is that LA, NY, and even Philly are pikers compared to the Chi. Thats why I never felt the moral authority to crap about Mexico and its narcos/sequestros in front of the former in-laws.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:09 pmI should have remembered that, kristen loken, the future terminator was in that, and he played castle’s father for a spell,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:09 pmtoo bad Loken became another Portia diRossi
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:12 pmit’s really striking how downhill the uk has gone,
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36719932
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:15 pmReally? moderation? After the names I’ve been called here you put this in moderation?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:17 pmWhy is every comment going to moderation?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:18 pmpatrick murphy, a total fraud, but it took three cycles to vet him properly,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:21 pmI know what differnce does it make,
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/state-finds-30-deleted-clinton-emails-on-benghazi/article/2600533
when the kingdom is ultimately overthrown, we’ll muse thoughfully,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:24 pm“…I mean, John Kasich classically said on the debate stage — he laughingly said — “Come on, folks, this isn’t serious. He’s not gonna deport everyone.”
Thing is, of course it is possible.
A tiered structure; a redefinition of what satisfies ‘deportation’ under these circumstances with an option for reentry of established persons. Fines, disruption of lives as part of the penalty to qualify to cycle back in and so on. It would be expensive, too. And take years. Then, so was the moon shot. Perhaps Mexico can pay for this as well as a wall! Lots of fun ways to cull the herd. It simply is a matter of a ‘triumph of the will’ to do it, Herr Kasich.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:26 pmOk, kishnevi. Who is Augustus Sol Invictus?
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:29 pmthe peak crazy candidate ‘do you want to know more’?
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:34 pmI did ask didn’t I:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/gone-viral/os-ap-florida-senate-sacrificing-goat-20151005-story.html
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:36 pmNope, had no idea. Thought kishnevi was being metaphorical about some “invincible” candidate.
I learn the strangest things at Patterico’s.
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:42 pmThanks … I guess.
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:43 pmYou know a guy is crazy when even the LP thinks he is crazy.
kishnevi (4490a8) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:44 pmAt one point he was the only LP candidate for Senate, until the party found someone to run against him.
“70. you would be an idiot to believe anything Rush tells you ever again. Just as you’d be a fool to rely on Drudgereport, which shamelessly manipulates our primaries and consistently leads to a crappier candidate, apparently gleeful about it. I don’t think many ever trusted Breitbart,”
The vast majority of Republicans have never listened to or read Drudge, Rush, or Breibart.
“Rush and Trump have damaged the conservative movement for nothing.”
I hate to tell you this, but the “conservative movement” has been ineffective for 20+ years. 8 Obama, 8 W.Bush, 8 Clinton, 4 H.Bush …. okay 28 years.
Worse than that. LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter.
Reagan has been the only arguable conservative president since WW2.
They haven’t been able to get a Conservative president, and the Left keeps getting Leftist policies put into law.
“Integrity is worthwhile for its own sake. People who don’t understand that will never get it, and there’s no reason to attempt to persuade them.”
Yes, integrity is worthwhile.
But if you can’t win, integrity doesn’t matter very much, since your policies won’t get put into place.
YOU HAVE TO WIN. If you don’t win, it doesn’t matter how conservative you are.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:48 pmIf Romney were the nominee right now, he’d win with 70% of the vote.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:48 pmLittle Marco, who seldom showed up to his job, and DWS, who abused hers, win their primaries.
And so it goes…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:51 pmAre you really suggesting I didn’t fight hard enough against Trump’s nomination during the primaries?
Come on, guy.
I’m suggesting that you have no integrity. If everyone who had opposed Trump then, had not signed on — starting with Mr Ryan, who, I will never forgive for this — and refused to support his nomination, Something Would Have Been Done. But by becoming Fellow Travelers — non-believers collaborating with the cult — you give him aid and comfort and are AS responsible for the coming loss as Trump himself.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:52 pmIf you guys don’t support Hillary over Trump, it’s because you would vote for Hillary if she were a Republican. But if you support her when she’s a Democrat, then that proves you’re a legitimate conservative. And if you argue with that logic, it is because you’re a Democrat at heart who would vote for Hillary!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:53 pm@144. If Romney were the nominee right now, he’d win with 70% of the vote.
Of the 53 or so percent.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:53 pm@147– On the other hand, once a Goldwater Girl, always a Goldwater Girl. ‘Deep in her heart, you know she’s right.’ 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:55 pmRubio destroyed the Trumpist challenger, who had both Trump and Coulter endorse him. This shows that Trump has very little support at this point in Florida. All the votes he’ll get will be from not being Hillary.
What a terrible terrible election.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:57 pmIf you guys don’t support Hillary over Trump, it’s because you would vote for Hillary if she were a Republican.
You really don’t get it.
WILL. NOT. VOTE. FOR. TRUMP.
Which word are you stumbling over?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:59 pmKevin M,
Something Would Have Been Done.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 7:59 pmOkay.
I’m hoping the Libertarian comes in ahead of Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:00 pm@151- WILL. NOT. VOTE. FOR. TRUMP.
So, Alan Alda prefers four years of Maude.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:03 pmKevin M,
You prefer that Hillary comes in ahead of Trump.
It’s all about honesty, bro.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:06 pm146.
#nevertrump #nullwits are constantly pointing to savants who know something according to someone that had their azzes handed them this season.
“They wuz robbed”. The fact that the majority is agin’ them is proof they are enlightened.
What a bunch of cretins.
DNF (755a85) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:06 pmeven in california, that is exceedingly unlikely,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:08 pmIf Romney were the candidate right now he’d get crushed even worse than he did before. He’s the “same old same old” so nothing changes.
And Fred at 145 is correct. Reagan is the only conservative elected in my lifetime and I’m 65. Conservatives don’t win primaries so they don’t win generals. Dustin said: “YOU HAVE TO WIN. If you don’t win, it doesn’t matter how conservative you are.” That’s the point
BTW, if you don’t win it also doesn’t matter how much integrity you or your policies have because they’ll never see the light of day.
It is more important in my opinion to keep any democrat out of the white House than it is which Republican we can get into it.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:09 pmDCSCA,
I assume you were an English major back in the day, because you have such a strong instinct for allegory and metaphor.
The whole ‘Maude’ thing just cracks me up.
What man would forfeit ten minutes of the 4th quarter of Monday Night Football in order to take out the trash?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:11 pm151. Mr. M. can’t even locate in a district where his vote counts. We’re supposed to listen to his tripe?
Loozers lose, they know nothing else.
DNF (755a85) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:12 pmI sympathize up to a point, when I voted for romney is my former district, there were perhaps four people who were likewise, it’s so blue it’s ultraviolet,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:19 pmI haven’t been in a republican leaning district in 20 years, give or take,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:26 pmso apparently trump will be visiting mexico, tomorrow, prior to the arizona speech,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:29 pm162. But are you a congenital loozer, does your every wish, every scheme, every effort following volition endeavor to lose the contest?
#nevertrump may mouth the word, ‘Win’, but every desire of their heart every plan every aspiration is devoted to losing.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:33 pmIt’s not quite that bad. There is at least one Trump supporter in walking distance of my house. He’s had the sign up in his yard for a couple of months.
And the guy at the end of my block has a Johnson sticker on his car.
kishnevi (4490a8) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:37 pmNarciso, which district are you in now?
kishnevi (4490a8) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:39 pmeast central florida,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:42 pm“They somehow have character and nobility for hating Trump but refuse to recognize the same in us for hating Hillary!.”
– Hoagie
False. We hate Trump and Hillary, and refuse to vote for either of them because they are terrible, terrible candidates who do not deserve our votes. You claim to think Trump is a terrible, terrible candidate, but will still vote for him.
There is a difference. You call it pragmatism. We call it surrender. And goofball Haiku, lacking the remotest sense of self-awareness, has the temerity to call Dustin a Vichy and accuse nk of projection.
Leviticus (1bebeb) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:48 pmNorth of Palm Beach until Cocoa reminds me of what Broward County was like when I was a teen (1970s).
kishnevi (4490a8) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:48 pm“Unfortunately the damage Trump has done to the GOP will not, and there’s nothing any of us can do to keep Hillary from being president. In fact, she’s less dangerous to the nation than Trump is.”
WE HAVE LOST ALREADY, LET US NOT FIGHT, BUT RATIONALIZE THE FAILURE THAT KEEPS ME EMPLOYED!
Though actually given your general ineffectiveness the first sentence is in fact true, the second only true if you substitute the words “the nation” with “my cushy DC job”
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:51 pmLeviticus,
I think the flaw in your argument is that despite thinking both the nominees are terrible, one of them still gets to become President.
So what we’re saying is, “If one of these bozos gets to become President, which bozo would we prefer?”
Because not voting does not exclude either of them from becoming President, see?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:56 pm“We hate Trump and Hillary, and refuse to vote for either of them because they are terrible, terrible candidates who do not deserve our votes. You claim to think Trump is a terrible, terrible candidate, but will still vote for him.”
You’re comparing inexact terms and whining about how you can’t come to an exact conclusion. How autistic do you have to be to actually think this way?
“There is a difference. You call it pragmatism. We call it surrender. And goofball Haiku, lacking the remotest sense of self-awareness, has the temerity to call Dustin a Vichy and accuse nk of projection.”
Actions taken by allegedly Republican partisans against the Republican candidate outside of the primary process that you all completely failed to influence in favor of your candidates are going to be seen as unhelpful at best, treasonous at worst. But then again, you need this thing called ‘social intelligence’, ’emotional intelligence’, or ‘collective intelligence’, otherwise known as ‘common sense’ to see why. The autistic lack it, which is why they should stay away from politics and political advocacy.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 8/30/2016 @ 8:56 pmLeviticus,
In fairness to Colonel Haiku, Dustin is actually accusing us of supporting Hillary if she were hypothetically a Republican, yet he’s supporting Hillary (in reality!) when she’s a Democrat.
There’s a good bit of irony there.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:02 pmI have come to a very exact conclusion, you interloping Canuck: I will not vote for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. All the whiny bellyaching in the world will not change that.
Leviticus (1bebeb) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:03 pmBut thanks for explaining Wasted Vote logic for the 4,593rd time, Trump Supporter. I had almost forgotten how it worked, useful reminder there.
Leviticus (1bebeb) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:05 pm@ Cruz Supporter, who wrote (#46) this:
Please stop over-generalizing and putting words in others’ mouths. Your judgment about the level of my “animation” is wrong and offensive, and I suspect others who refuse to vote for either Trump or Hillary have the same reaction.
Beldar (fa637a) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:05 pmDid ya hear the one about the young New Mexican lawyer who, when told he’d be learning about the “dry hole provision” in class the following day, went and bought himself a tube of KY?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:06 pm“Actions taken by allegedly Republican partisans against the Republican candidate outside of the primary process that you all completely failed to influence in favor of your candidates are going to be seen as unhelpful at best, treasonous at worst.”
– Christoph
The Vichy betrayed their country and their principles, not their political party. But I suppose you’d have to have a country, or political principles, to understand the difference.
Leviticus (1bebeb) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:08 pm@159. What man would forfeit ten minutes of the 4th quarter of Monday Night Football in order to take out the trash?
Alan Alda. Maybe Mike Farrell as well.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:12 pm@ Cruz Supporter, who then wrote (#48):
This is not only offensive, it’s just stupid.
You’re a smart guy. Is your intention today simply to offend people by misrepresenting them? Because that is the only effect of your comments, but for that purpose, you’re getting excellent traction.
Beldar (fa637a) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:12 pm“This is not only offensive, it’s just stupid.”
Beldar, I’m afraid that line was crossed several months ago.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:18 pmwell goodell football is not what it used to be,
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/30/us-commander-iran-behavior-unchanged-since-nuke-deal-high-seas-harassment-unsafe.html
narciso (732bc0) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:26 pmA candidate flip flopped? Wow. Shocked.
Cruz fan boys are laughable … But they keeping crying like the girl not asked to the prom.
Rodney King's Spirit (d28741) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:38 pm#180 Beldar,
Hey friend, not only did you get the # wrong when you quoted it as #48, but you failed to see I was literally paraphrasing Dustin when he accused us of voting for Hillary if she were a Republican. That’s what he wrote.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:41 pm#144
Lol, maybe in Utah.
Rodney King's Spirit (d28741) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:43 pmDoes Dustin have the “key” to delete comments?
Because two people (one, myself) quoted him as writing something in #106, yet now his comments no longer appear in #106.
Did Dustin’s comments disappear down the rabbit hole?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:44 pmAfter his last gutless effort, mittens maybe would reach 30%. Americans want a fighter not some religious fanatic who ties dogs to the top of his car. mittens is a parasite.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:02 pmlmao, Col.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:13 pm186. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/30/2016 @ 9:44 pm
No, something was lifted out of the rabbit hole.
Dustin’s #106 is now #107. I don’t know what’s the additional comment that was taken out of moderation, sometime after #121 was left..
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:18 pmThere was an old pervert Haiku,
nk (dbc370) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:25 pmWho instead of KY used glue.
He said, “That’s all right,
Though my a**hole’s glued tight,
All the s**t out of my mouth I’ll spew”.
self moderation.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:43 pmOne thing Rush will never retire with, as his purported hero Bill Buckley did, is unquestioned intellectual integrity. Buckley certainly had wealth, but he consciously chose to not focus on such. Rush has vastly out-earned Buckley and sold his soul for the contract he just signed.
The man has, for years, told the great story about how he was embraced by the legendarily conservative GOP congressional class of ’94. He explains that too many of those people forgot who they were and the promises made as they were co-opted by the big money establishment. It taught Rush to never trust the GOP party leaders ever again.All of this is true.
Well, Rush now uses the excuse that Reagan’s 11th Commandment to not speak ill of a fellow GOP person dictated that he refuse to warn his audience of the fraud DJT was.
If only Bill were around last Summer to warn us of Rush.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:44 pmHow do you lose an election?
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:45 pmvote mittens.
Why do people listen to Rush, if they can’t stand him?
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 10:48 pmStupidity?
Never trumpers prefer Hillary. End of story.
mg (31009b) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:02 pmThe numbering is off, probably due to comments being released from moderation causing all the others after them to be renumbered.
That’s a particularly good reason, when one is purporting to paraphrase someone else, to be specific.
The most effective arguments, by far, are those in which the arguer has been absolutely scrupulous in summarizing opposing positions. Paraphrasing is dangerous. Guessing is worse. Attributing support for Hillary Clinton to everyone who refuses to vote for Trump is delusional.
Beldar (fa637a) — 8/30/2016 @ 11:06 pmAttributing support for Hillary Clinton to everyone who refuses to vote for Trump is ‘delusional.’
No. It is by default. And ‘de fault’ of everyone who refuses to vote for Trump if Maudie wins.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2016 @ 1:57 amI would love to bruise the no trumpers ego.
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2016 @ 3:05 amOnly liars will not vote Trump.
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2016 @ 3:16 amOnly pansies who wish they were Melania will vote Trump.
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2016 @ 3:59 amPeople who get charged up on this sort of thing, whatever it is, keep missing the point: Hillary Clinton.
Richard Aubrey (472a6f) — 8/31/2016 @ 4:00 amI think Hillary is a very nice lady and if she had met me before she met Bill she would have been happier and I would have been the 42nd President.
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2016 @ 4:04 am“I think Hillary is a very nice lady and if she had met me before she met Bill she would have been happier and I would have been the 42nd President.”
You’d have probably gotten raped and left for dead in the divorce proceedings once she saw no path to the presidency in your background check tbqh.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 8/31/2016 @ 4:14 am“One thing Rush will never retire with, as his purported hero Bill Buckley did, is unquestioned intellectual integrity.”
So far Rush hasn’t spent his days pissing out the side of his limo in between denouncing the people who made National Review great (Birchers and paleocons).
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 8/31/2016 @ 4:16 am“The Vichy betrayed their country and their principles, not their political party.”
*runs the most supremely petty and transparently unlikely to win rearguard action possible against a candidate beloved of the vast majority of his country’s nationalist partisans and principled evangelicals.*
*acts like we should take him seriously instead of mocking him every chance we get*
“But I suppose you’d have to have a country, or political principles, to understand the difference.”
Guess you’re still looking. Have you considered moving to Israel to see how it’s done?
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 8/31/2016 @ 4:22 amnk plies his trade like a stoat
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/31/2016 @ 4:56 amfor teh Trumpster he’ll never vote
has no lust for women
from clients he’ll be skimmin’
gives as good as he gets from a goat
nk quite often gets crazed
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/31/2016 @ 5:09 amas a frosh he was badly hazed
pissed on him, packed his fudge
but you be the judge
strike that, your honor, poorly phrased?
Teh Chicago Wayyyyyyyy
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/31/2016 @ 5:10 amI rest my case.
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2016 @ 5:21 amYou had your case rested for you, scheister. A long time ago.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/31/2016 @ 5:37 amSpeaking of ‘paleocons’, Pat Buchanan had a bit more subtlety than this.
JP (bd5dd9) — 8/31/2016 @ 5:56 amYou have it backwards. People who support Trump are the ones who would support Hillary if she were Republican. You are the ones putting Party over ideology. NeverTrump folks are the ones who see that Hillary and Trump aren’t that different.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:19 amThe people who will be responsible for Hillary winning are the ones who actually vote for her. Unfortunately, the polls show she will get a lot of votes.
Romney was the one we blamed when he lost, and Trump should be blamed if he loses. And I know Trump supporters would have blamed Cruz if he had won the nomination and lost the general election. They would not have blamed themselves, they would have blamed Cruz and his message/ideology.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:26 amYou don’t call someone a thief without a reason. That’s classic defamation. I would ban this commenter if it were my website.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:29 amI mostly don’t even read Haiku’s comments anymore, DRJ. That I took the trouble to call him out this time was because he let loose his filth on Dustin and Leviticus who, being nicer than I am, would have let him get away with it.
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:35 amugh
too early for DRJ’s phony drama
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:39 amnk likes to dish it out on a daily basis, but has a very thin skin.
If one doesn’t hesitate to disparage others, one should anticipate it being returned in kind.
I retract the faux accusation of “skimmin”, only used in lieu of “rimmin’ “
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:43 amI don’t read them either. He’s a one trick pony.
Leviticus (1bebeb) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:44 amHis trick is subservience.
Leviticus (1bebeb) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:44 amGet lost, happyfeet.
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:44 ami’m fond of Mr. Colonel cause of he wants to beat that pig
i think that’s admirable
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:46 amugh all this banning and banishing is so third grade i think
and snowflakey to boot
if you don’t like a comment you can just say hey pooper your comment is pooper and i tell you why
god bless america
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:49 amHf,
Do you hate women because you are adopted?
DRJ (15874d) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:50 amA lot of you are (on a daily basis) casting aspersions, condemning the motivation, questioning the intelligence, ad nauseum, of people who have clearly stated on numerous occasions that a different candidate was their choice, but they have resolved to bite the bullet, vote for Trump and live with the consequences, which they anticipate to be much preferable to the walking criminal conspiracy/disaster known as Hillary Clinton.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:56 amoh my goodness there’s something wrong with you
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:56 amPredictably tedious, fussy and lawyerly to the end.
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:58 amno is just a grumpy morning i think
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:59 amFirst they came for the Col.
mg (31009b) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:59 amAlways after happyfeet
the blog gestapo will pull the plug before the United Nations, oh my!
“…because he let loose his filth on Dustin and Leviticus who, being nicer than I am, would have let him get away with it.”
nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2016 @ 6:35 am
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not exactly reaching for the heights…
Colonel Haiku (029078) — 8/31/2016 @ 7:18 amDystopia Max (76803a) — 8/31/2016 @ 4:16 am
If what you are trying to say is that Birchers and paleocons (paleoocons = isolationsts?) are the people who made NAtional Review great, those are the people Buckley was against, particularly the Birchers.
I think the John Birch Society was started by old Joe Kennedy (using a cut-out: Robert Welch) with the idea of getting some very very conservative Republicans to vote for his son for president.
Remember, the accusation was that Eisenhower was an agent of the Communist conspiracy.
Sammy Finkelman (b4888e) — 8/31/2016 @ 7:20 amWall Street Journal editorial Wednesday entitled: “Neither for President”
If “Neither” could make it onto the November ballot, maybe they’ll reconsider their longstanding editorial policy of ot endorsing candidates. (that’s how it ends)
It discusses some polls.
Monmouth has been conducting a poll in eveyr presidential election since 1984. It asks people if they have a favorable opinion of the Democrat, the Republican, both or neither.
The average prior to this year was 5.7% for Neither, with a low of 3% in 1984, and a high of 9% in 1992 (when Perot was running)
This year it is at 35%.
About 33% had a favorable opinion of Hillary Clinton only, and 24% of Trump only. 2% said both, and they wonder who they are and where they are being waterboarded. (that leaves 6% that wouldn’t or couldn’t aswer the question – that ouldn’t say both and wouldnt say neither.)
I am not sure what they mean by “negative voters” but the vast majoority of them express “no opinion” about the candidate they prefer.
Reuters used to offer in their polls “Neither/other” as an option as to who people would vote for, but they stopped in July because too many people were saying “neither/other” and they felt this was making the poll inaccurate.
The Quinnipiac poll found that qhen Trump voters were offered a choice as to whether they were mainly anti-Clinton or mainly pro-Trump, 64% said they were mainly anti-Clinton and 25% said pro-Trump – for Hillary it was 47% anti-Trump and 32% pro Hillary. And about 10% of voters are still undecided, a very high number for a poll near Labor Day.
Sammy Finkelman (b4888e) — 8/31/2016 @ 7:40 am@212 You are the ones putting Party over ideology.
“Ideology” is dead. Pragmatism rules.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2016 @ 10:37 am“In fact, she’s less dangerous to the nation than Trump is.”
Now this is delusional.
She will simply do what she wants, a sociopath interested in herself and ultimate power, fortune and control. You will probably wish for the “good ol’ Obama days”
PTS (ce7fc3) — 8/30/2016 @ 5:45 pm
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 8/31/2016 @ 10:49 amPremature “Submit Comment.” It happens to the best of us.
If that’s the case, then Trump is Hillary in drag, and is especially so since she’s doubtless lost some IQ points from her concussions.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 8/31/2016 @ 10:51 am@231 Wall Street Journal editorial Wednesday entitled: “Neither for President”
Deciding not to decide. Table the motion. Indecision.
Sound advice from the Business Bible, eh.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/31/2016 @ 10:55 amGreat minds think alike.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 8/31/2016 @ 1:40 pmHoagie,
Just saw your complaints about moderation as I checked the moderated folder. No idea why your comments went there. I didn’t do it. Please understand that the filter does its own thing at times. I don’t always understand why.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/10/2016 @ 9:01 am