Trump’s Claim That President Obama Is The Founder Of ISIS
[guest post by Dana]
Yesterday, Donald Trump was interviewed by Hugh Hewitt and there was this exchange:
HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.
DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.
HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them.
DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?
HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the mnemonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake?
DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that.
HH: I did. I did. I played it.
DT: I gave her the co-founder.
HH: I know what you’re arguing…
DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that?
HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.
DT: Well, I disagree.
HH: All right, that’s okay.
DT: I mean, with his bad policies, that’s why ISIS came about.
HH: That’s…
DT: If he would have done things properly, you wouldn’t have had ISIS.
HH: That’s true.
DT: Therefore, he was the founder of ISIS.
This morning:
Once again, Mike Pence awkwardly attempted to defend Trump and explain what he really meant:
“Do you agree with Trump’s assertion that President Obama is the ‘founder of ISIS’?” asked a KUSA reporter.
“There is no question that the failed leadership of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the foreign stage created the vacuum in the wider Middle East in which ISIS was able to spawn and grow,” Republican vice presidential nominee Mike Pence replied.
“The one thing about Donald Trump is he doesn’t go tip-toeing around the rules, the semantic rules, of political correctness,” Pence said when pressed about the factual inaccuracy of Trump’s words. “Everybody in the country knows exactly what Donald Trump means.
–Dana
I’m pretty sure it’s just that Trump doesn’t bother to think about what his sounds mean before he makes them.
CayleyGraph (353727) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:38 amWould a Trump administration have an Office of Explainers, tasked with explaining what the president really meant to say?
Dana (995455) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:38 amI hate it when I agree with Trump. Obama and Hillary did found ISIS. He should not back down — he should double down.
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:47 amyes yes food stamp’s the patron saint of ISIS – they love him for the genocide he’s doing on Israel
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:54 amTrump may be speaking metaphorically.
“Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State.”
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/11/flashback-obama-admin-supported-group-became-isis/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29
gbear (defc54) — 8/12/2016 @ 7:25 amLook, Obama supported ISIL with trucks from the outset as Al Qaeda usurper. From early on in the Libyan intervention, adventurers Hillary, McCain, and the WH began funneling through Turkey war surplus from Libya even prior to Qadaffi’s deposition.
Remonstrations that the US simply allowed ISIL to form in a vacuum is pure horsesh!t, and HH, constitutional lawyer, is no heavier weight than the cipher in the Oval Orifice.
This blog is unalloyed mendacity.
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 7:41 amBret Stephens is unaware he hails from a vanishing minority on the Right:
Laura Ingraham is the only high value commentator at Fox, but Hannity at least is a sighted squirrel.
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 7:46 amInconvenience strikes the unwashed alone:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-12/mysterious-%E2%80%9Ccomputer-glitch%E2%80%9D-conveniently-cancels-hotel-rooms-fed-protesters-jackson
Your government does not need feedback, you hear?
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:08 amThis post is another example of conviction by hearsay and innuendo, with no research whatever.
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:30 amnk (dbc370) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:47 am
Trump undoubtably doesn’t mean it this way, but you could say that Obama founded ISIS – by killing everybody who was above Abu Bakr al Baghdadi in the hierarchy of al Qaeda in Iraq, and also killing Osama bin Laden.
He didn’t kill Abu Bakr al Baghdadi also, because the information needed to kill all the people above him probably originated with Baghdadi!
Trump is now in full retreat mode.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:34 amMr. Trump’s in the best mode – the beatin’ on that stinkypig mode!
She’s a stinky clotty-headed pig!
BONKBONKBONK!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:38 amThat’s what Donald trump meant.
Only it’s false.
I see that all mention of this seems to be gone from the New York newspapers, today, Friday, except for ths econd and bottom editorial in the New York Daily News. This narrative is clearly not being pushed by the Clinton campaign.
Because this is a problem for Hillary Clinton. No, she was not trying to send weapons to the wrong rebels in Syria, but it is a problem, because it explains the Benghazi attack, and if you fully explain it, it implicates the same person who killed Vincent Foster, and she can go down wth Prince Bandar.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:46 amSammy, DNF already mentioned some of the things. And there’s weapons and other materiel to “friendly” rebels which “fall” into the hands of ISIS; and Erdogan as our proxy, from buying ISIS oil to shooting down Russian planes; and, the biggest one, Obama’s complicity with Hollande to bring down Assad at all costs (which in my opinion is too similar to the way the French sucked us into Vietnam).
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:46 amDNF @6, No, the trucks were stolen when ISIS overran Mosul. They were not GIVEN to ISIS.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:47 amNk, you ok? Not like you to go full Biden on this kind of thing.
JP (bd5dd9) — 8/12/2016 @ 10:04 amOh, come on. I am not blind to what the Kenyan Muslim Communist (Mau Mau for short) has been doing to America, at home and abroad, for the last seven and a half plus years, just because I don’t think Trump will be any better. (Which is not to say Trump will not be different, just not better.) We might as well have put a Frenchman in the White House.
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2016 @ 10:14 amAh. Well, nobody’s perfect. Carry on.
JP (bd5dd9) — 8/12/2016 @ 10:34 amhttp://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438931/never-mind-i-was-being-sarcastic-candidacy
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/12/2016 @ 10:48 amAnd the blind hog found an acorn and threw it away because he got bad press over it. Thanks, Sammy.
Yeah, this guy will build a wall and appoint conservative judges (I am being sarcastic).
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2016 @ 10:53 amHuh. You somehow clipped off the last few sentences of the interview on the ISIS topic. Let me help you with that.
No need to go looking to Pence to explain what Trump was doing. Trump himself told you right in the interview.
Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83) — 8/12/2016 @ 10:56 amSadly, Hillary is smarter than Trump. Not smart enough to avoid doing crooked and stupid things, mind you, but smart enough to listen to what friendly journalists are saying in interviews and recognize the aid when it’s offered. How stupid does Trump have to be, to not take the lifeline Hewitt was dangling and move on?
“So, Mr. Trump, you clearly meant this as a metaphor, right?”
“No. I meant what I said.”
“Right, right, of course you did…but metaphorically, right?”
“No.”
“Oh. Okay, then.”
Cue the usual suspects (LBascom, Cruz Supporter, DSCSA, etc.) to tell us that what Trump said was misunderstood for some reason, and he really meant the exact opposite of what his words said, because eff you, NeverTrumpers, that’s why, and if you don’t turn back now you’ll be responsible for President Hillary. Also, Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being they’ve ever known. Then cue happyfeet to turn an otherwise normal comment section into a Dadaist wasteland.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:01 amI hate it when I agree with Trump. Obama and Hillary did found ISIS. He should not back down — he should double down.
Well, they certainly set up the environment that fostered ISIS, did nothing to stop it forming, ignored it as it grew, and then undermined its opponents.
Did they found it? Metaphorically, they certainly did. Trump may not know metaphor from hyperbole, but CNN certainly does. They choose to misunderstand.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:12 amOn the other hand, my estimation of Trump’s IQ has been lowered by this. I had pegged him around 110, but calling metaphor “sarcasm” means he’s stupider than I though. New estimate: 98. I really don’t want a President I have 60 IQ points on.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:15 amDemosthenes,
Your post at #21 was creative.
Many people here were for other nominees during the primaries. But we see Trump as the only hurdle left standing between Hillary and the front door to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
If Hillary gets access to the front door, America’s going to receive it in the back door.
Bea Arthur was my least favorite Golden Girl, and she’s my least favorite presidential candidate.
Trump’s easily the worst nominee we’ve ever nominated in all time history. But I’d still prefer to die a slow death to being executed summarily.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:23 amWhen I’m watching the 4th quarter of Monday Night Football, I’d much rather be told the 4th quarter’s going to be great as opposed to being nagged to take out the garbage. (Hat tip, DCSCA)
Kevin… come mince down off that lofty perch you’ve had rough men build for you. Join us common folk.
Colonel Haiku (871a4f) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:24 amMr. Trump is smart and he knows a lot of stuff. I like how he cuts to the chase.
I bet he would enjoy a lot of the same things I enjoy like cheese and race cars.
All in all he’s an excellent choice for to be president I think, and I whole-heartedly support him with my support.
He’s a royal flush and a katzenjammer kid
he gotta bone to pick with that stinkypig!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:28 am@21. Sadly, Hillary is smarter than Trump… ‘ smart enough to listen to what ‘friendly journalists’ are saying… Pundits are opinion spinners; advocates… not ‘journalists.’ A candidate who avoids holding a general presser for 240+ days is not very smart at all– and has no ‘friends’ in the press.
It’s lead and follow; it’s call and response. ‘And all that jazz.’ Trump does the calling in these jam sessions, not Hewitt, or any other pundit. And recall, Hewitt staunchly opposed Trump; predicted a brokered convention. Now Hewitt’s lament, nervously fretted on a cabler, is simply this: “If Hillary wins, conservatism is dead.” End of story.
‘And then there’s Maude…’
@24. ‘Trump’s easily the worst nominee we’ve ever nominated in all time history. But I’d still prefer to die a slow death to being executed summarily.
When I’m watching the 4th quarter of Monday Night Football, I’d much rather be told the 4th quarter’s going to be great as opposed to being nagged to take out the garbage. (Hat tip, DCSCA)’
Precisely.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:55 am@2 Would a Trump administration have an Office of Explainers, tasked with explaining what the president really meant to say?
The United States has one operating for centuries– the press.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 12:13 pmThat department only works for the left, DCSCA.
Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6) — 8/12/2016 @ 12:40 pmKevin M (25bbee) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:15 am my estimation of Trump’s IQ has been lowered by this. I had pegged him around 110, but calling metaphor “sarcasm” means he’s stupider than I though. Calling metaphor “sarcasm” means he’s lying. It could mean he’s too stupid to think of a better lie.
This is the second time he’s explained something as being sarcasm. I think he thinks the word “sarcasm” is a get-out-of-jail-free card. He said that about wanting the Russians to hack Hillary’s emails.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trumps-uses-sarcasm-defense-for-the-second-time/
I think what I’ve discovered about Trump this year is that he’s incredibly cynical. But it seems he doesn’t know how to exercise his cynicism effectively. He can’t distinnguish between the plausible and the implausible. He needs to eat more blueberries, walk around a little bit before speaking, lower the room temperature, and get his body into ketosis longer. He should have Newt Gingrich look into it.
what the second amendment people could do, where actually there was an idea that made sense (except that to utter it would undermine his argument that electing him is the only way to stop Hillary from putting people on the Supreme Court. In fact, that’s how he came to mention it. He made this argument that if he wasn’t elected there was nothing you could do to prevent Hillary Clinton from putting people on the Supreme Court – then he thought of an objction to his argument: The “second amendment people” might be able to prevent the confirmation of Hillary’s judicial nominees, because the NRA is such a good lobby. So he said the idea, and then he cast doubt upon the idea, all within a few words.)
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 1:05 pmThere was a bit of semi-orphaned text @30. I wasn’t sure if Trump used the sarcasm defense there too (with the second amendment) It was actually the wrong defense.
The Obama created ISIS meme has a different cause. He knew some people were saying it. Trump was not there conceding a counter to his argument, as he was when speaking about rhe second amendment people – he was making frash attack.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 1:10 pm… explaining what the president really meant to say …
The press yes, but now the Supreme Court has thrown its weight into the effort. Where were these helpful fellows when GHWB reneged on “No new taxes!” Why, the country was said to be in the worst recession since the Great Depression and we needed our spirits raised for the November election. Of course, the GDP figures were revised shortly after the election to show that the economy had actually recovered by Q1 of 1992, iirc, so I suppose those in the know knew they really didn’t need to make the country feel better about itself. No hesitation to talk up the economy this year, needless to say.
BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5) — 8/12/2016 @ 1:26 pmnk (dbc370) — 8/12/2016 @ 8:46 am
That really happened. Some weapons given to U.s. backed rebels were seied by ISIS, or al-Nusra, and taht was I beleive, 100% unintentional. This is part of a pattern with Obama of making compromises with reality. Reality doesn’t usually compromise back.
He wasn’t supposed to do either of these things.
Erdogan probably did this on purpose because the Russian plane, when shot down, was not in a place where it had been warned off.
Now Israel can actually chase Russian planes away without actually shooting any down. Netanyahu took a trip to Russia accompanied by some generals all wearing military uniforms who told him that Israel just would not permit some things to happen, and it made an impression.
The United States defers to Russia in Syrian airspace, and Russia defers to Israel. Of course, Israel has limited goals. It’s just to keep a hostile force, especially one wanting to shoot rockets at civilians, away from the part of Syria next to Israel. In particular they seem to be concerned about Hezbollah, or Hezbollah getting many Syrian weapons.
Obama’s goal is for Assad to relinquish power as part of a negotiated settlement. It’s that compromise with reality business, again.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 2:02 pmOff topic: If you’ve seen reference to the story of Monifa Sterling, and her court martial for — according to breathless reports — daring to put up Bible verses in her work space, don’t fall for it. Them are not the facts. These are the facts.
Basically, she was repeatedly disciplined for defying lawful orders, felt that her superior officers were out to get her, so she printed multiple copies of a defiant message, in large type, and posted them in her work area where all passersby could easily see them. One of her superior officers ordered her to take the signs down, which she refused to do. The fact that the signs’ text was taken from the Bible was irrelevant; she’d have been treated the same way if she’d taken it from the Koran, Moby Dick, or her own imagination. It would have been the same if she’d written “I shall overcome”, or “Don’t let the bastards get you down”. The objection was to the message, not the source. And if she’d posted a Bible verse that wasn’t defiant she’d have been OK.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/12/2016 @ 2:16 pmAlso not discussed here: the Trump Tower climb.
New York US Attorney may now be sponsoringd investigation of Clinton foundation when DOJ refused.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/12/2016 @ 2:44 pmApropos Israel’s strategic calculus re: Syria (and by extension Iran and Hezbollah), ISIS, and related threats therefrom.
JP (2ee2eb) — 8/12/2016 @ 3:07 pmIsrael’s best strategical calculi are to move somewheres the obama ayatollah can’t nuke it
but not Illinois cause of pension disaster timebomb
somewhere nice though where they can have a vineyard or two and not near any of those nasty palestinians
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 3:14 pmTalking about creating ISIS, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney wanted to be more active. By the fall of 2012, the Obama Administration had learned that some of the Syrian rebels that had been recommended to them by U.S. “allies” like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, were no good, but the Republican candidates had a little hard time catching up.
Vice Presidential debate, Thursday, October 11, 2012:
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presi
dential-debate
Notice that Qatar is missing from Biden’s list, and instead Jordan has been added to keep the number of allies at three.
At this point, Obama no longer trusted Qatar, but Romney and Ryan hadn’t caught up. Ryan didn’t mention Qatar because he got the idea from his own head.
Two years later, the New York Times was to allude to the accusation that Qatar [Not Obama!] had supported ISIS, linking to this Wall Street Journal article of August 24, 2014
http://www.wsj.com/articles/jack-keane-and-danielle-pletka-an-american-led-coalition-can-defeat-isis-in-iraq-1408919270
but also quoted someone as saying that was going too far.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/world/middleeast/qatars-support-of-extremists-alienates-allies-near-and-far.html?_r=0
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 3:25 pmother good calculate are to let clotty-headed stinkypig with her potentially historic saggy boobies do more food stamp economy on your children
yes yes show them how much you care
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 3:27 pmThird and final Presidential debate, Monday, October 22, 2012:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/22/transcript-president-obama-mitt-rom
ney-in-final-presidential-debate-at-lynn-university/
Note that Romney, like Ryan. mentionesd Saudi Araia, Qatar and Turkey. Obama doesn’t mention any countriesd but says we are making sure.
PRESENT TENSE, not PAST TENSE.
Making sure that military aid isn’t going to the wrong people. (like it did before, that is)
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 3:32 pmIn December 2015, Rand Paul says that in 2013, people came to his committee and proposed arming al Qaeda in Syria.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/15/who-said-what-
and-what-it-meant-the-fifth-gop-debate-annotated/
You can’t be aganst regime change. The assad government bombs hospitals in rebel controlled terriitory. CBS News reported a story today about the destruction of the last chidren;s hospital in rebel controlled territory in Aleppo.
In Damascus there was no mention of that in government controlled media and regime officials did not want to speak on camera about it even to deny it had taken place.
I think they got the idea of attacking doctors from Saudi Arabia. This was a Saudi tactic invented at the start of the arab spring and utilize a lot n Bahrain. Doctos who helped wounded protesters who were shot were considerd to be saiding with them.
At the start Saudi Arabia backed Assad, but gave up on him becayse he was too stubborn in his cruelty – Saudi always uses amnesties as a tactic – or maybe because Assad had allied himself with Iran. Anyway he wasn’t listening to Saudi Arabia’s counsel.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 3:51 pmJP @36 the detrrence actually is working for now. ISIS in the Sinai desert does not attack Israel and even changed the name of its affiliate so as not to refer to the Temple. ISIS does not attack ordan because Jordan is a red line for Israel. ISIS by the way doesn’t even attack Lebanon, although maybe it’s not Israel that is stopping it. ISIS is very careful. In Turkey it only commits occasional acts of terrorism maybe but does not cross the border wholesale.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 3:58 pm@37 Why not move most of Asia some distance away? Push it a couple of hundred miles out into the Pacific Ocean – there’s room – and create a channel between Israel and Syria, and maybe between Jordan and Iraq? Maybe also turn Jordan into an island.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/12/2016 @ 4:01 pmi like how you think Mr. F
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 4:22 pm40. Verrry interesting.
Also of some interest: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/breaking-top-physician-hillary-clinton-parkinsons-disease/
President Wilson finished his 2nd term as a vegetable, his wife the Executive in domicile.
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 4:33 pm7. Ace on Mr. Stephens and his same quote:
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 4:47 pmyes, he’s gotten silly, in regards to the temper tantrum, that the consultant class leveled yesterday, well one name sticks out, vin weber, and guess who he lobbies for among other party, the emirate of qatar, which is more wahhabi than the kingdom, which has sponsored salafi in libya and syria,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 4:58 pmI think we deluded ourselves into thinking that erdogan was our proxy, as with general intelligence and the isi, a generation ago, we were their dupe, the moneys went to hekmatyar, abu sayyaf, and mullah younis, the last was the godfather of the taliban,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 5:08 pmugh the diseased stinkypig’s starting to turn rancid and she’s suppurating like one of bill’s herpes sores
how is this even a thing?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 5:24 pmThis ability to create his own meanings is a fantastic weapon to have when one is involved in high stakes lawsuits. You take DJT to deposition and he speaks with total sincerity that what he said and did is not what he really said and did. Now, YOU go prove otherwise, at enormous expense!
There will always be fools who will contract with him. As a judge or a jury member, I would have very little sympathy for anyone who was foolhardy enough to do business with, or work for him.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 8/12/2016 @ 5:53 pm50.
It depends on what the meaning of is is.
kishnevi (8ce7fb) — 8/12/2016 @ 5:55 pmI like working with Mr. Trump! He encourages all the creative thinking and tries to make it to where everybody has good jobs.
It’s very inspiring to work with him I promise you that for sure.
It’s so fun to work with him your day flies right on by lickety-split quick like a bunny!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:01 pm21. Then cue happyfeet to turn an otherwise normal comment section into a Dadaist wasteland.
There is something surreal about someone who spends so much time attention ho-ing in a forum where everyone thinks you and your painfully stupid shtick is as clever and interesting as a herpes outbreak.
Jack Klompus (f1f212) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:05 pmtrenchant!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:08 pmhe also lobbies for hyndai, and at one point for the council of pakistani relations
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lobbyist.php?id=Y0000042041L
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:10 pmquestions few specially in the media, by which I mean none.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-campaign-statement-on-hillary-clintons-taxes
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:22 pmnicely said Mr. Trump
when failmerica elects a criminal stinkypig what oozes her pig diseases all over the futures of the doomed and hapless failmerican children
it won’t be cause you didn’t try to warn everybody
i love you do you want some yogurt
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:26 pmpikachu, you are you own worst enemy, I know you really don’t believe in anything or anyone, but there are people here who do,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:34 pmIf this is going to get personal, do any of you guys shave with a straight razor or shavette?
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:36 pmthat is not even a proven assertion what you said
i believe we have to beat that pig
it’s a non what’s as sinny qua as they come
and there’s nothing mysterious or problematic about it
we gotta beat that pig
go big D!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:37 pmthere is something to the tale,, that everywhere the administration ends up aiding aq classic, as in yemen, libya, and syria, and also islamic state in those areas including nigeria,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 6:53 pmObama started ISIS the same way he’s the #1 AR-15 salesman of all time.
Pinandpuller (928ad9) — 8/12/2016 @ 7:16 pm#59
Where?
steveg (fed1c9) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:23 pmhttp://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/12/fact-check-obama-hillary-founders-isis-bet/
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:27 pm48. Erdogan is like the Won only with a non-zero IQ, the Adversary’s Anointed.
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:31 pmwell he sees himself as sultan, and he and gulen, worked together till they had a falling out in 2012,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:33 pmwait but that doesn’t compute,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/12/russians-suspected-of-hacking-democrats-also-went-after-republicans-researchers-say.html
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:34 pm66. And no Caliph died of old age and natural blue-blood causes like tertiary syphilis. They always had a new smile carved beneath the chin.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:36 pm67. Consider the source.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:37 pmas with the sony hack, what particular use would north korea have for this information, which ended up in anonymous collective, although rogen and franco, can be considered an act of provocation,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:40 pmYour modern truck farms don’t need hired hands:
http://www.businessinsider.com/robots-that-are-replacing-farm-workers-2016-8/#the-bonirob-destroys-120-weeds-per-minute-2
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:42 pmnow timmerman thinks the iranians are behind everything when in this case, they were the reason for the proxy forces,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:42 pm70. I worked with Russians a lot in software and while bright it just seems they are a ready scapegoat.
The main thing to remember is that its American public servants that are getting depantzed. Obviously anyone on Earth is smarter.
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:47 pmthe NSA. the OPM, the FDIC have all been hacked your guess is as good as mine, although I think volodya would do it with more finesse,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:50 pmThis #nevertrump movement is the height of sillyness. America is full of entitled lazy azz know nothings who can’t find Florida on a spun globe.
Who do they expect to lead them but crooks, vulgar, ill-educated morons. That is exactly who we is.
DNF (755a85) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:52 pmMore JayVee fallout, the ZIRP economy is one crisis from death:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-12/north-american-life-insurers-accidentally-pile-massive-distressed-debt-holdings
In for a dollar, may as well bet the farm.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 5:13 amLa Nina has graced this marginal corn production region with as much as 8 inches of rain on an evening in the middle of August.
We have decades, thru 2050, of reduced Solar output ahead, meaning corn will be abandoned hereabouts for marginal returns or losses.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 5:20 amThe ratio has risen 15 bps in last few weeks standing at 55. Source of LIBOR funding, money markets, set to collapse on new regulation Oct. 1, some brokers, e.g., Schwab have already announced customer money market holdings will be plowed into UST without recourse.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 5:38 amGrowth following Reagan 4.4%, Bubba managed 4% after pere Bush’s failure, W. also fumbled, but JayVee, of course, reprises the Great Depression.
Hillary proposes $2 Trillion in increase taxes, principally on the backs of those who can come up with the money, the middle classes.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 6:08 am#nevertrump#ignoramus thinks an HRC presidency is a palate cleanser, that the enraged masses of racist whites will be taught a valuable lesson in allowing the government to further increase its confiscation of property beyond the current sum of $5 Billion per annum, having SJW monitors in their children’s public school bathrooms, having their cops stop them to open their trunks so as to avoid charges of profiling, etc.
All this as the number of chronically unemployed passes the 100 million mark, growth less double-counting via inclusion of government spending trends negative, and WalMart shoppers spend their days in soup lines.
On the contrary, America is done with you for the remainder of your virtual existences.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 6:22 amthe more stinkypig you do all up on failmerica, the more people will crave them some charmloser sore loser harvardtrash ted and his pasty vegetarian sicky sacky
it’s like a truism
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/13/2016 @ 7:24 amwhat is charmloser
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/13/2016 @ 7:25 amSo the ccr no not the band has sprung another wayward youth from gitmo, who previously lived in the UK and france, what could possibly go wrong, he’s Algerian like the ones in nice, charleroi,and other places, why do you ask.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 7:30 amhttp://tgr.ph/k1xqOP
Meanwhile an associate of Trump top aides and top aide of the UKIP has been arrested for fraud, money laundering and drug terror ties.
Charles (3cf0f0) — 8/13/2016 @ 7:57 ammeanwhile stinkypig and the clinton global criminal cartel are selling out america on the cheap for so bill can buy hookers and cronuts and herpes salve to rub on his penis lesions
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/13/2016 @ 8:05 amHard to fault such modesty.
There have been a number of bombings in Lebanon either claimed by, or attributed to, ISIS. Awful though they are for ordinary Lebanese, these atrocities haven’t really altered the security situation all that much there; Lebanon, of all places (particularly Arab republics), has been spared much of the bloodshed of the Arab Spring.
A superstitious sort might perceive the Arab Winter next door as God’s revenge for Damascus’s interference in Lebanese affairs.
It is telling that the largest incident was carried out in a predominantly Shi’a neighbourhood of Beirut.
JP (2ee2eb) — 8/13/2016 @ 8:11 amIOW, today’s yield on 10-year T-Bills is what you must expect of real GDP over that coming decade.
Which is effectively nothing.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 8:55 amPermabull Kudlow lost his vibe maybe a year back:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/13/insanity_once_more_the_hillary_clinton_economic_plan_131503.html
Big Romany backer, he’s now firmly #neverHillary.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:02 amWell think of hezbollah as the suicide squad against both Islamic state and the Assam brigades.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:08 amDNF,
Why do you spell Romney’s last name “Romany”?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:16 amIs there a cute wordplay that I’m missing?
#nevertrump don’t care, they just want to have their tantrum and sit in their room without supper.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:16 am90. Google is your friend, CS. Learn the basics.
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:18 amPsst, the Federales are coming:
http://nypost.com/2016/08/11/obamas-justice-dept-did-a-clueless-hit-job-on-baltimore-cops/
DNF (ffe548) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:28 amof whom do I speak, it’s founded by a che fan, the late michael ratner,
http://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/review-board-recommends-gitmo-prisoner-release
what they leave out this fellow, was an apprentice, of zubeydah, the crazy guy who used prince bandar, as a lifeline,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:29 amhello, mcfly, how many times do you have to notice, to see it’s enemy action,
https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/5/19/doj-official-slavery-to-blame-for-riots-in-ferguson-and-baltimore/
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:31 amThe despicable and incompetent performance of Lorreta Lynch’s Justice Department on many fronts should be kept in mind if HRC wins and a (hopefully) majority Republican Senate has to decide whether to accept her re-appointment to AG, or the selection of another partisan hack dealing the race/gender card from a deck of 52 of them.
M. Scott Eiland (046eb0) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:34 amMeghan’s coward daddy will vote for her for sure cause it’ll be his last term and he loves him some piggy stench
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:38 amand on our southern front, it’s came of thrones, with flamethrowers,
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a46918/heroin-mexico-el-chapo-cartels-don-winslow/
short precis, legalization of colorado gold forced market maximization, and the red wedding that’s been going on for two years now,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:41 amDNF,
In other words, your reason is too clever to explain to me, huh?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:44 amIt figures.
Just like when a cop asks a suspect what’s in the glovebox, and the suspect replies, “I ain’t got nuttin’.”
dead smack addicts is a crisis?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/13/2016 @ 9:44 amOne is, happyfeet but a million are a statistic.
Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:39 ami just think the esquire boy’s kinda scraping the bottom of the crisis barrel
god bless america
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:44 am“in which ISIS was able to spawn and grow,” Republican vice presidential nominee Mike Pence replied.”
Friggin’ Pence. What a nothing. He’s going to sink the election for Trump.
In spite of all his fireworks that so many people object to (I personally don’t see the problem,) Trump has so far made only two mistakes that call his political judgment into serious question: selecting the nobody Pence, and his disastrous mis-handling of the whole stupid Khan affair. Khan was egregiously wrong on his constitutional interpretation, even obnoxiously and despicably wrong, and Trump went for the decoy target and made it personal instead of theoretical. He could have hammered the living sh!t out of Khan and the Dems on immigration, but instead he took the wrong bait and made a fool of himself. Not a fatal mistake, but nevertheless poor judgment.
hunson abedeer (80144e) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:45 amthey drew first blood, what is striking not really, are the top men’s willing to back effendi khan, you look at the gaggle of fmer and future apparatchiks as with weber, and you’ll find ties to slithy toves, for example he’s also tied to the ukraine, in another room from manafort,
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:49 amjust one more question sir,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/13/armed-man-injures-six-in-swiss-train-attack/
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:54 amDana doesn’t get how Trump’s playing the media’s autism game to gain maximum exposure because Dana shares either the media’s biases or its autism, part the 6,000,000th.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 8/13/2016 @ 12:32 pmHoly mackerel, the comment thread has turned into a happyfeet symposium!
Well done, mr. feet!
I wasn’t aware that you had a training class – I better go look thru my email to see if my invitation got accidently deleted.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 8/13/2016 @ 7:36 pmThis is the same Jim Hoft who claimed he had incontrovertible evidence that Darren Wilson had an orbital fracture. He has no credibility at all, especially on medical matters. I see no reason to suppose there’s anything wrong with Clinton except what’s been known for years, that she’s a falling-down drunk.
Milhouse (3d6a1b) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:17 pmDepends on the sourcing, then again have alvarez or any reporter in Baltimore Ferguson or Sanford ever apologized.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:25 pmSo when then they get benghazi or Katrina or Iraq wrong consistently, what good are they.
narciso (732bc0) — 8/13/2016 @ 10:31 pm70 narciso (732bc0) — 8/12/2016 @ 9:40 pm
China paid North Korea very very well, for it. The North Korean hackers, though are actually in China. Maybe China thinks there’s greater security there, having North Koreans do it. North Korea pays special attention to math education. North Korea also has to di it from inside china because of limited Internet availability in NOrth Korea. And it wss useful for China to have North Koreans do the hacking in case it every got detected. SOmehow China now being blamed even this was all done from inside a Chinese government-operated hotel called Chilbosan in Shenyang, China.
http://www.vocativ.com/world/north-korea/unit-121-the-north-korea-hack-sony/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/inside-the-surprisingly-great-north-korean-hacker-hotel.html
North Korea did turn out to have a use for the SONY hack – retaliation for the movie. North Korea not only stole data, they destroyed it which isn’t usdually done by spies.
I think China calmed Kim Jong Un down by pointing out that the movie made by SONY could itself be seen as retaliation for the short movie he made, showing himself destroying Los Angeles.
As for why Russia might have Republican e-mails – all that was routine and the DNC was actally hacked by two separate Russian intelligence agencies. The second one, the GRU {Russian military intelligence] was less experienced and got ccaught and that led to the discovery of the first hack too.
This hack was publicized in May, and only then did Putin decide to try to make some political use of the DNC e-mails.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/14/2016 @ 1:04 pm* Somehow China is not being blamed even this was all done from inside a Chinese government-operated hotel…
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/14/2016 @ 1:05 pmhttp://www.wnd.com/2016/08/2012-pentagon-report-warned-obama-was-creating-isis/
DNF (755a85) — 8/14/2016 @ 1:07 pm“He has no credibility at all”
Seriously then, separated at birth, Hoft and Milhouse?
DNF (755a85) — 8/14/2016 @ 1:11 pm99. So obeying trolls is being an honest man? GFY, you are too lazy to instruct.
DNF (755a85) — 8/14/2016 @ 1:13 pm93. I read this artivle.
As with Ferguson, they tried to find something real to complain about, and they did.
Remember, in Ferguson they actually found that the witnesses who claimed Michael Brown was surrendering had no credibility. The news wass broken slowly, and something else found wrong.
In Ferguson, the real thing was the practice of giving people tickets and even putting them in jail for not paying, all as means of supporting their high paid unionized work force – the unions ran the city. Well the DOJ did not complain about that.
In Baltimore it was how they treated complaints by women, including rapes. Of course maybe they were not enforcing any felonies too much.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/14/2016 @ 1:27 pm96. If Hillary Clinton wants to continue Loretta Lynch, no second confirmation by the Senate is necessary, no more than when President Barack Obama continued the service of Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/14/2016 @ 1:30 pm“ISIS in the Sinai desert does not attack Israel and even changed the name of its affiliate so as not to refer to the Temple.”
JP (2ee2eb) — 8/13/2016 @ 8:11 am
When the group there officially joined ISIS, they changed their name from Ansar Beit al-Maqdis (that’s an Arabic translation of the Jewish name for the Temple) to Sinai Province – using the old Turkish term villayet.
Here is an article discussing them under the old name:
http://www.jpost.com/Features/Front-Lines/Behind-the-lines-Salafi-insurgency-fermenting-341415
There was the opinion that they intended to name themselves after Jerusalem. The Arabs call it -al-kuds – the Holy (place?) And a very early Arab term just refers to the temple.
“ISIS by the way doesn’t even attack Lebanon, although maybe it’s not Israel that is stopping it.”
There’s a bBalance of power which npbody wants to upset. ISIS in fact even invaded Lebanon a bit, but they pulled out. When I say they don’t attack Lebanon, I mean currently.
yes, and the eway to end the Syrian Civil War is to bring is to bring in Lebanese peacekeeping forces. All pefectly legal and authorizeds under a treaty between Lebanon and Syria. But I don’t think people have enough imagination.
Sammy Finkelman (490095) — 8/14/2016 @ 6:41 pmDNF @113. This is what your source links to: (2012 report obtained through the Freedom of Information Act by Judicial Watch)
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
I couldn’t, at first, find the quote:
but that ooks like it was because I could not manage to search the text of that PDF file.
The document is basically a projection of what can go wrong – it doesn’t say Obama is causing it. It doesn’t even say inaction is causing it. And it doesn’t precisely foresee what actually happened as a possibility.
OK, here it is:
C. “IF THE SITUATION UNRAVELS” [there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria} and it says that is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want. This probably does not mean ALL supporting powers, because it includes “western countries” in the list of supporting powers.
It should be noted that “Salafist” is not exactly identical with al Qaeda or al Qaeda in Iraq – it’s a way of indicating something a little bit separate. This report doesn’t consider taht necessarily too separate, because it would tend to allied with al Qaeda in Iraq. They don’t understand the order of battle anyway, and tends to see things more as separate groups that work togegther than as one big group.
And then, if that happens in Syria, that a de facto Salafist state exists in part of Syria, that would have dire consequeneces in Iraq. This would create the ideal atmosphere for Al Qaeda in Iraq to return to Mosul and Ramadi.
Some of that report is redacted, probably mostly the supporting evidence for the generalizations.
Sammy Finkelman (6f4cf5) — 8/15/2016 @ 2:44 amHey Sammy,
The etymology of Middle Eastern terrorist groups can give even the most ardent lexicanographer a headache.
I’m not so sure that is for want of trying, but let’s hope the relative peace on the border abides.
JP (bd5dd9) — 8/15/2016 @ 8:37 am21. Demosthenes (09f714) — 8/12/2016 @ 11:01 am
the right word here is “wise.” Not wise enough not to do crooked things.
I don’t think she does truly stupid things. It’s the cover-up that makes her look stupid, because it’s better to look stupid than crooked.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/17/2016 @ 8:08 am