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8/27/2020

Republican Convention Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:27 pm



[guest post by Dana]

In case you want to talk about the haps tonight, this is the place.

The main attraction will be Trump accepting his party’s nomination after daughter Ivanka introduces him. Word on the street is that Trump will take direct aim at Joe Biden in his acceptance speech:

Trump is expected to go after the former vice president on everything from the economy to trade. He will also talk about Biden’s record on China, immigration, crime, and his response to the coronavirus pandemic.

“At no time before have voters faced a clearer choice between two parties, two visions, two philosophies, or two agendas,” Trump is expected to say. “We have spent the last four years reversing the damage Joe Biden inflicted over the last 47 years. At the Democrat convention, you barely heard a word about their agenda. But that’s not because they don’t have one. It’s because their agenda is the most extreme set of proposals ever put forward by a major party nominee.”

Trump’s attempt to fault Biden’s response to the coronavirus could be especially tricky, given the president’s authority over the country’s actual response. The president’s team has attempted to argue that Biden was slow to sound the alarm as the virus gained steam in the United States.

[Ed. Wait. What?? Exactly how does Trump go after Biden for his response to the pandemic? Has Trump forgotten that *he* is currently the sitting President of the United States and that, for better or worse, he is in charge of the U.S. pandemic response?? Maybe he should hit Biden up for some of those magic drugs he suspects him of taking to improve his memory during the primary debates. Gad, the show hasn’t even started and I’m scrambling for an adult beverage of choice from just imagining Trump criticizing Biden for his pandemic response. Without the slightest hint of self-awareness, there is no doubt that the president really would be that dumb and tone-deaf… ]

The president is also set to inject some optimism into his speech as he talks about the Republican Party going forward:

The Republican Party goes forward united, determined, and ready to welcome millions of Democrats, independents, and anyone who believes in the Greatness of America and the righteous heart of the American people.

This towering American spirit has prevailed over every challenge, and lifted us to the summit of human endeavor.

Scheduled speakers include:

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell
Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton
House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy
New Jersey Rep. Jeff Van Drew
Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and senior adviser
Ja’Ron Smith, deputy assistant to the president
Dan Scavino, White House deputy chief of staff for communications and director of social media
Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and Trump’s personal attorney
Franklin Graham, president of Samaritan’s Purse
Carl and Marsha Mueller, parents of American hostage Kayla Mueller, who was killed by ISIS
Alice Johnson, criminal justice reform advocate and former federal inmate
Ann Dorn, widow of slain retired police Capt. David Dorn
Pat Lynch, president of the Police Benevolent Association of the City of New York
Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship
Wade Mayfield, small business owner who received a personal protection program loan
Debbie Flood, president of a Wisconsin manufacturing and steel company

–Dana

445 Responses to “Republican Convention Open Thread”

  1. Hoo boy.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Again w/t Apollo imagery.

    FTR: the Republican Party opposed the Apollo Program, a Kennedy/Johnson initiative, that took Americans to the moon. And it was a Republican president, Richard Nixon, who literally killed the Apollo, cancelling the last three lunar missions even after the hardware- the Saturns, the spacecraft, the spacesuits and rovers, had been purchased.

    They are what our kids see… in museums.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. Unless every person in front of the White House right now has been recently tested, it’s probable that a number will get infected from the event, and Trump’s people can only hope that someone doesn’t die from that speech.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  4. @3. There’s a reasonable number of people in masks. CNN talking heads should really look at the images they’re broadcasting before speaking.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. @3. There’s a reasonable number of people in masks. CNN talking heads should really look at the images they’re broadcasting before speaking.

    I found 3 (2 were workers setting things up) and 273 that were not in the paused scene, so you’ll have to define what you think the word reasonable means.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  6. I predict Trump will repeat the lie that Biden attacked him for imposing (partial) travel restrictions on China in late January.

    Dave (1bb933)

  7. I suppose President Trump’s COVID criticism of Mr. Biden will be along the following lines:

    * Biden would not have stopped restricted flights from China until weeks later, thus potentially bringing in hundreds of infected people.
    * Biden has suggested he would nationalize regulations, meaning that Grand Junction, Davenport, Oshkosh, Mankato, Grand Rapids, Toledo, and Beaver Falls would all have to follow rules designed for New York.
    * Biden seeks to let the Chinese off the hook for the lies they told about this disease in its earliest days, as well as the influence they have exerted on the World Health Organization.

    Don’t know if that’s going to sway any undecided voters, but I guess the tactic is pretty much in character for Donald Trump so it’s worth a shot.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  8. Scheduled speakers include:

    Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson
    Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell
    Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton
    House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy
    New Jersey Rep. Jeff Van Drew
    Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and senior adviser
    Dan Scavino, White House deputy chief of staff for communications and director of social media
    Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and Trump’s personal attorney

    Yep, definitely your “A-list” of sh*t-shovelers, brown-nosers and knob-polishers there…

    Dave (1bb933)

  9. @5. I saw plenty as they panned through the crowd during set up–and C-SPAN had better crowd panning as well. CSPAN is the best to watch. The place isn’t awash in them–but there was a surprisingly higher number than expected which caught my eyes– and as the program rolls out, good chance a lot of folks will pocket them for the TeeVee festivities.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. Turtle shelled; McConnell hides in Louisville; didn’t even have the courtesy to show up and do it live at the Mellon Center in Washington.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. There’s a reasonable number of people in masks.

    What percentage is “reasonable”? Because it looked to me like the percentage was low, like single digits low.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  12. I saw plenty as they panned through the crowd during set up–and C-SPAN had better crowd panning as well. CSPAN is the best to watch. The place isn’t awash in them–but there was a surprisingly higher number than expected which caught my eyes– and as the program rolls out, good chance a lot of folks will pocket them for the TeeVee festivities.

    Your expectations are unimportant, real percentages is in the low single digits, like .1%. Again, you’ll have to define what you think the word reasonable means.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  13. @11/12. Line of sight; enough to pique this adman’s attention. And as noted, once the klieg lights are on and the TeeVee cameras focus, they’ll pocket them for face time on camera. It’s image building. Same way we’d put marbles in Campbell’s alphabet soup ads so the letters ‘floated’ on top of them. You don’t see them but we know they’re there.

    Whoever is producing this is doing a helluva good job.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. Off topic, but Dana, this cannot be true. Except it probably is.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/university-of-alabama-orders-faculty-to-keep-quiet-about-outbreak/7ZAHSQPNDRBINBEF3A6YAVMPRE/

    Simon Jester (da4900)

  15. Those very well may be his points of attack, JVW, but I don’t think it will make the slightest bit of difference to voters. People are not going to choose Trump over Biden because of what Biden may or may not have done during a pandemic. They are going to choose Biden over Trump because of what Trump has actually done during the pandemic.

    Dana (292df6)

  16. Trump’s people can only hope that someone doesn’t die from that speech.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:47 pm

    If Herman Cain’s demise didn’t cost them, it’s just eggs and omelettes.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  17. These conventions are revolting: “OK, Democrats, I’ll see your Alyssa Milano and raise you a Dana White.”

    JVW (ee64e4)

  18. Yep, single digits, and there are 2,000 there. Today’s US death toll was 1,143, and this president continues to not take it seriously.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  19. Man, I don’t like Kamala Harris very much, but her prebuttal of Trump today was a damn effective takedown, even the exaggerated claims are about 99% more accurate than pretty much every single speaker of the RNC so far, nevermind Trump.

    While the RNC is going on, another 6,000 dead of Covid, Hurricane being inflicted on Trump country, protests, alt-right weenies shooting people. This seems like a pretty loud message from God, but since the 37%-38% of the voters that are Trumpista’s are ignoring both reality and God, it’s not going to matter.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  20. @19.Tapper’s wrong. No surprise. His biases betrayed his integrity months ago. Again, he should watch what his own network feed-or better still- CSPAN.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. I like the opening stories. I plan to do a post on the stories that touched me the most as shared by every day Americans at both conventions.. I think it’s possible to sympathize, empathize, rejoice with, and have a righteous anger when called for with others who have had to overcome struggles and obstacles in their lives even if they are Trump supporters or even if they are Biden supporters. Politics does not transcend everything, nor should it.

    Dana (292df6)

  22. this president continues to not take it seriously

    Personal responsibility. You take it seriously, right? It’s not up to Trump to order you to wear a mask. If he told you that jumping off a bridge cures Covid-19, would you jump?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. Ben Carson: “President Trump does not dabble in identity politics.”

    How people keep a straight face when they say these things is beyond me.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  24. @22. Yes. They’ve been good.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. @22.Yes. The average person pitch is working well w/this format. No Hollywood hosts.

    Just a reality TeeVee prez. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  26. Look at that Yankee World Series ring on Rudy’s left hand.

    Lest you forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. ‘Diamonds Are Forever’ eh, Rudy?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. 23.

    Personal responsibility. You take it seriously, right? It’s not up to Trump to order you to wear a mask. If he told you that jumping off a bridge cures Covid-19, would you jump?
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/27/2020 @ 6:33 pm

    And thus we see how people convince themselves that the president of the united states bears no responsibility for our country’s 4% of the world’s population suffering 22% of its COVID deaths.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  29. @29. Reaganoptics: conservatism 101: personal responsibility.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. Personal responsibility. You take it seriously, right? It’s not up to Trump to order you to wear a mask. If he told you that jumping off a bridge cures Covid-19, would you jump?

    Then what we be paying the mother-figure foh? If he can’t assume leadership in a catastrophe that has killed 182,000 plus Americans? An empty chair would at least save us some money.

    nk (1d9030)

  31. Hah

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  32. Speaking of Washington DC people gathering in crowds with few masks and no social distancing.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  33. Tapper’s wrong.

    Prove it. How are those images “wrong”?
    Radley Balko on who got tested…

    CNN just reported that the only audience members for Trump’s speech required to pass a COVID test are those sitting closest to Trump. Which is perfect.

    It’s a metaphor of the Trump presidency: Trump is personally protected (along with a smattering right next to him), and the rest are on their own.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  34. I encourage anti-Trump/pro-Biden folks to run against the bug. Yes, it worked well for President Douglas when he campaigned against typhus is 1860.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. @34. Prove it? Watch him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Ivanka – looking good.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. Definitely Daddy-datable.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  38. @34. You really should watch CSPAN. The preview programming was panning across the crowd and the number of masked staff was surprising– which caught my eye. Not overwhelming– but surprising. And as air time approached, they simply pocketed them.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. On the matter of keeping the Confederate monument in Lake Charles, LA: Hurricane Laura cast the deciding vote, and it was “nay”.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  40. MR. PRESIDENT, MAKE OUR NATION SAFE AGAIN!

    — Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) August 28, 2020

    Rudy doesn’t remember that Mr. President is president…now, today.

    Mr. Trump must be elected president so he can fix all the problems the current president has created.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  41. You really should watch CSPAN

    Checking and…yep, you got nuthin’.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  42. CSPAN cameras keeps finding people in masks in the crowd as Ivanka is speaking, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. Well, Ivanka definitely lies emphatically. Someone should explain what a microphone does to these people.

    Nic (896fdf)

  44. @42. You’re simply wrong. But this is important to you– just as it was to President Douglas.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. @44. A gentle breeze and good lighting does more, Nic. It’s not what they say but how they look.

    Reaganoptics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. CSPAN cameras keeps finding people in masks in the crowd as Ivanka is speaking, too.

    They do, and percentagewise it’s single digits, like I said. This is feeling like you’re Sean Spicer, telling us not to believe our lying eyes, that the crowds at Inauguration Day were bigger than Obama’s.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  47. @47 The breeze is driving her crazy. Do you see how she keeps turning to her right and fussing with her hair when she isn’t turned to the right when the wind comes up? It’s to reduce the chance of her hair getting too out of control. If she turns to much to the left, it’ll blow into her mouth.

    Nic (896fdf)

  48. @42. I’ve counted half-a-dozen people there w/masks on outside in the past five minutes on CSPAN’s feed as Ivanka is speaking, Paul.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. Okay. Wrap it up, doll.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. No escalator– just steps. Helluva dress and well lit, Melania. Like a Preying Mantis ready to devour the crowd.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  51. All those True accomplishments, jobs, advances for women, Prison reform, Middle East accord, prescription drug favored nation status, child tax credits, etc etc and you focus on masks and Ivankas hair? You just keep on with that if that’s what floats your boat.

    Marci (405d43)

  52. I’m wondering if a sudden gust of wind is going to blow his comb-over right off, but I’m sure it’s heavily lacquered and glued down.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  53. I’ve counted half-a-dozen people there w/masks on outside in the past five minutes on CSPAN’s feed as Ivanka is speaking, Paul.

    6/1500, that would be .4%.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  54. Ivanka and those other ones. Poor other ones.

    Nic (896fdf)

  55. Trump’s physical positioning of himself is so weird.

    Nic (896fdf)

  56. DCSCA, please explain how Trump gets to claim credit for fewer than expected hurricane deaths, while being completely not responsible for the number of COVID deaths.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  57. This is not the most important election in the history of our country.

    Nic (896fdf)

  58. All those True accomplishments, jobs, advances for women, Prison reform, Middle East accord, prescription drug favored nation status, child tax credits, etc etc and you focus on masks and Ivankas hair? You just keep on with that if that’s what floats your boat.

    Trump inherited a good economy, and he gets credit for judges, for moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem, for the accord with UAE, and a few others small things. But on balance, Trump has been bad for America as president, and what tipped is his near-complete failure in dealing with CV19.
    I wouldn’t have made more than one comment about masks without DCSCA’s bizarre pushback.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  59. Puzzling religious metaphor, but he said God, so I guess clap?

    Nic (896fdf)

  60. He’s so awkward, and he sounds like an 11 year old. Terrible enunciation, sentences are completely jumbled and meaningless. His body language is terrible, like it’s being controlled by a reptilian with a terrible internet connection. Maybe that’s what the problem is, the universal translator is broken, and they have a bad connection.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  61. Wars, wars that never ended… Er, Mr. Trump? Who has been president for the last 4 yrs?

    Nic (896fdf)

  62. “I kept my promise” he says, standing neck deep in alligators he, himself, imported to the swamp.

    Nic (896fdf)

  63. Too many economic lies to count in this section.

    Nic (896fdf)

  64. What does “Pro-American immigration” mean? No immigration? Immigration only of housekeeping staff to Mara Lago?

    Nic (896fdf)

  65. Lies about the border wall, which is tiny, not near complete, and not working.

    Nic (896fdf)

  66. The dude he fired from the TVA was one he himself had nominated. All the best people.

    Nic (896fdf)

  67. Ah, a truth. appointed judges.

    Nic (896fdf)

  68. No. He hasn’t done more for the AA community since Lincoln. Civil rights act.

    Nic (896fdf)

  69. If he had anything to do with the UAE agreement with Israel, it is an accomplishment.

    Nic (896fdf)

  70. Trump’s physical positioning of himself is so weird.
    Nic (896fdf) — 8/27/2020 @ 7:30 pm

    Some would call that “swagger at the podium.” Trump’s teacher (from kindergarten) is prolly screamin’ “Stop slouching, Donnie!” But of course, she would.

    felipe (023cc9)

  71. The military was not badly depleted.

    Nic (896fdf)

  72. No. He hasn’t done more for the AA community since Lincoln. Civil rights act.

    Nic (896fdf) — 8/27/2020 @ 7:49 pm

    Agree. Civil Rights was pretty darned big. Not a smart claim.

    Marci (405d43)

  73. Says he’ll hold China accountable, which he hasn’t done, continues not to hold Russia accountable.

    Nic (896fdf)

  74. Ever wonder what a filter-tipped butt of coffin nail feels like when it is crushed under foot on the sidewalk?

    Plagiarist JoeyBee is learning that tonight.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. “Launched the largest national mobilization since world war II.” I invite him to do an anatomically impossible act of self-love in only the most obscene terms.

    Nic (896fdf)

  76. Fatality rate? You are bragging about the fatality rate? I CANNOT EVEN!

    Nic (896fdf)

  77. @58. Reaganaurics. You just don’t get it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. “Trump’s physical positioning of himself is so weird.”

    The front half of a centaur.

    Davethulhu (019ded)

  79. Hey, Mr. President. Europe issued a GD ban on us. because you are incompetent.

    Nic (896fdf)

  80. @77. You don’t get it, Nic. Don’t listen.

    Watch.

    Reaganoptics.

    It rules everything. This is a helluva good show compared to the bemasked Biden/Harris chats to an virtual empty room.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. I hope he and all his people get covid. Very. Symptomatic. Covid. (not the most extreme version, I just want them all to suffer for a few months)

    Nic (896fdf)

  82. The front half of a centaur.
    Davethulhu (019ded) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:00 pm

    That made me laugh!

    felipe (023cc9)

  83. How are you going to pay for your tax cuts? You’ve already plunged deep deep deep deep into debt.

    Nic (896fdf)

  84. “Trump’s physical positioning of himself is so weird.”

    He’s a physically big man. With tiny hands.

    John Wayne was a big fella, too. With small feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. Some would call that “swagger at the podium.”

    There’s a reason for the weird stance: The 2½” to 3½” heel lifts. Even his stated height is a hoax.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  86. @85. Reaganomics.

    Did you miss the 1980s? Or forget Snowman Kudlow is there?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. @82 He looks weird if I just watch. He looks like he can’t stand up and has to be supported by the podium. And he’s jerking around.

    Nic (896fdf)

  88. @87. And John Wayne wore a toupee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. @88 I was a child/teen, but even I remember the Reagan actually looked good and was well modulated when speaking. Trump… isn’t.

    Nic (896fdf)

  90. @89. He’s just shifting his weight and going from one teleprompter screen to the other.

    Reagan did exactly the same thing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. He’s so awkward, and he sounds like an 11 year old.

    I blogged about this four years ago. Our politicians generally like to talk to us at about a sixth-grade level. Oddly enough, back in 2016 it was Trump who spoke to us as if we were high school freshmen and Hillary Clinton who spoke to us like we were sixth-graders. But overall it gives us an indication of what our elected officials (or, to be more exact, their consultants and speechwriters) think of our cognitive abilities.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  92. How are you going to pay for your tax cuts? You’ve already plunged deep deep deep deep into debt.
    Nic (896fdf) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:04 pm

    HA! Someone must be made to pay! The government must be fed! Nic asks the hard questions! I suggest the government stop spending like a drunken sailor.

    felipe (023cc9)

  93. @92 He’s extremely awkward about it and looks like he’s holding himself up with the podium.

    Nic (896fdf)

  94. @94 You have to pay for the stuff you want. If you want to fund the military frex, you have to pay for it. Congress doesn’t cut, it just sometimes doesn’t spend more. As you can see from our most recent tax cut, they didn’t cut spending to off set the tax cut, they just borrowed more money, which we have to pay back.

    Nic (896fdf)

  95. @91. Reagan was a trained actor an experienced radio/television announcer.

    Trump is just a reality TeeVee star from Queens– who has made some superbly effective TeeVee commercials, done a successful TV show and SNL as good as McCain did– and can banter about busts and babes with Howard Stern.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:05 pm

    Setting aside the pleasing affect on calves, I feel the same about women in hi-heels.

    felipe (023cc9)

  97. I suggest the government stop spending like a drunken sailor.

    Do you propose to slash Medicare benefits, Social Security benefits, or both?

    Dave (1bb933)

  98. 40 years ago, the media was firmly supporting the soviets but were not openly in favor of the abolition of this country, this is where we are now.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  99. @94 You have to pay for the stuff you want.
    I totally agree! And you also have to pay for the stuff “they” want. That’s the part I hate.

    felipe (023cc9)

  100. Or zero out defense spending? (That would only account for a little over half of the pre-COVID budget deficit, but I guess that’s a start)

    Dave (1bb933)

  101. @87 Then he needs to hire whoever he hired to teach Ivanka to walk for her modeling career so that he can learn to walk in his heels. The ladies didn’t have any problems.

    Nic (896fdf)

  102. Our politicians generally like to talk to us at about a sixth-grade level.

    Rule of thumb at CBS for broadcast was 8th grade level back in the day. And Cronkite purposely read his copy- which he wrote himself- slower, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. Dave (1bb933) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:13 pm

    I left a comment years ago about what I would ask from congress: Cut all spending 10% across the board. No one escapes! You don’t want me as POTUS!

    felipe (023cc9)

  104. @101 Everyone always hates paying for the stuff the other guy wants, but you still have to pay for it.

    Nic (896fdf)

  105. 𝕔hi𝓁𝓁iຖ໐iˢ
    @chiIIum
    ·
    Kamala Harris says that the riots are not going to stop, ever, and to BEWARE. With a smile on her face.

    https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1299077701916073984?s=20
    _

    The look on Colbert’s face says it all.
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  106. There’s a reason for the weird stance: The 2½” to 3½” heel lifts. Even his stated height is a hoax.

    As I’ve said a few times, I met the Trump in the early 90’s and I’m 6’4″, he was about nose height, and he had a handshake like a boneless chicken breast and you could tell he was really trying to squeeze. He’s 5’11” or 6′, no more.

    There’s lots of photos around with him standing next to people of known heights, like 6’1″ Obama who’s obviously taller. Here’s him standing next to an actual 6’3″ man.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  107. Cut all spending 10% across the board. No one escapes! You don’t want me as POTUS!

    Bad news Felipe. That would eliminate less than half the pre-COVID budget deficit.

    Last year, the government spent $4.7 trillion, of which $1.1T was borrowed.

    Dave (1bb933)

  108. Nic (896fdf) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:20 pm

    Which is why the idea of congress spending less should be welcomed by everyone.

    felipe (023cc9)

  109. Are we done yet?

    Nic (896fdf)

  110. We overspent on steroids because fauci told us to shut the whole country down, youre still for that so there is a touch of chutzpah, and youre whining over losing your salt deduction, while minimizing the riots that have vaporized the tax base for years to come

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  111. @110 except that everyone hates not spending on the stuff they love.

    Nic (896fdf)

  112. 111.Are we done yet?

    If you’re a Biden/Harris backer, pretty much.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  113. Cutting Social Security, Medicare, defense and everything else by ~25% (which is roughly what it would require in spending cuts to balance the budget) seems a bit implausible.

    Dave (1bb933)

  114. 93.

    Oddly enough, back in 2016 it was Trump who spoke to us as if we were high school freshmen and Hillary Clinton who spoke to us like we were sixth-graders. But overall it gives us an indication of what our elected officials (or, to be more exact, their consultants and speechwriters) think of our cognitive abilities.
    JVW (ee64e4) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:08 pm

    This Flesch-Kincaid test analysis of their speeches suggests Hillary spoke to us at a ninth grade level, Trump fourth grade.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  115. Dave (1bb933) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:23 pm

    Why is that bad news? I think it good news to stop the borrowing. Want to get out of a hole? Fisrt stop digging! But, but, but….

    felipe (023cc9)

  116. “And for those of you who still drive a car…”

    Only a NYer could say that w/a straight face.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. I’m pretty sure there was a greater difference some time back in the day. I think we had a civil war about it at one point.

    Nic (896fdf)

  118. Setting aside the pleasing affect on calves, I feel the same about women in hi-heels.

    I can’t speak for Trump’s calves, felipe, but lifts do have a nice effect on the female gender. However, even in spiky high heels, their stances aren’t like Trump’s.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  119. @110 except that everyone hates not spending on the stuff they love.
    Nic (896fdf) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:25 pm

    Hey, I get it; you surrender to the spending. Be at peace.

    felipe (023cc9)

  120. IIRC, Trump’s near ancestor struck out west (and north) to avoid serving in a war.

    Nic (896fdf)

  121. This Flesch-Kincaid test analysis of their speeches suggests Hillary spoke to us at a ninth grade level, Trump fourth grade.

    Reminds me of the joke during the 2000 election:

    George W. Bush speaks like English is his second language.

    Al Gore speaks like English is your second language.

    Dave (1bb933)

  122. Run it late for East and Central time zones; keep the cabler talking head instant analysis time short. You know the biz, Donald.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. @121 I’m dealing with the real world, not wishful thinking about theory.

    Nic (896fdf)

  124. Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:30 pm

    Vive Las Vegas la différence!

    felipe (023cc9)

  125. You all complain about gruesome, but there really wont be any opposition, thats what you want for this country.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  126. Here’s him standing next to an actual 6’3″ man.

    Which makes me wonder if he was wearing lifts next to A-Rod, Klink.
    I’ll say this: Barron is genuinely tall.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  127. ‘Trump 2020′ flash the fireworks against the Washington Monument.

    Brilliant.

    What. A. Showman.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  128. As always, gentlemen, thank you for watching the orange slug and his ambulatory cabbages so I don’t have to.

    nk (1d9030)

  129. Fireworks are great.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  130. Thank God he’s done talking.

    Basic analysis: It wasn’t super boring. The optics were bad. The lies were obvious. The covid section was fracking infuriating. The beginning was strong, the finish was Very Weak. Opposite of Biden. Ultimately I think Biden probably left a better final impression.

    Nic (896fdf)

  131. Nic (896fdf) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:33 pm

    No, you are simply coping by surrendering to it. You’ve come to accept, as your truth, the things you can change are not changeable. I do not share that mindset.

    felipe (023cc9)

  132. I’ll say this: Barron is genuinely tall.

    He gets it from mama. The tallest people in Europe are in the Balkans, not Scandinavia.

    nk (1d9030)

  133. “Nobody mails you a bill for gas.”- Rachel Maddow, MSNBC.

    Gee.

    The $152 gasoline bill I just got in the mail today from Shell Oil for gas must be fake, eh Rachel????

    Idiot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. Surrender to reality Nic!

    Dave (1bb933)

  135. @134 How often does Congress actually cut spending?

    Nic (896fdf)

  136. Dave (1bb933) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:42 pm

    He already has, Dave. Leave. Him. Alone.

    felipe (023cc9)

  137. Fox opines Trump message but flat.

    Tiffany is not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. ^Trump message good- but flat.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  139. So, just for curiousity’s sake, are we all OK with using US government buildings and employees for campaigning now? Like, if Biden wins, is he allowed to use the White House for the DNC convention in 4 yrs?

    Nic (896fdf)

  140. @142. Sure. Unless Biden prefers any big bank pavilion.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. @142 precedence set by the Dems in 1940 with FDR.

    Marci (405d43)

  142. New Lincoln Project ad shows Mike Pence on his radio show, waxing poetic about the Seventh Commandment:

    Adultery

    Also:

    Protect

    Dave (1bb933)

  143. I hate opera.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  144. Handing out presidential pardons during political rallies is cool now too, I hear.

    Dave (1bb933)

  145. So, just for curiousity’s sake, are we all OK with using US government buildings and employees for campaigning now? Like, if Biden wins, is he allowed to use the White House for the DNC convention in 4 yrs?

    Definitely not, but the problem is it’s the FEC and the DOJ that would be enforcing the Hatch Act violations and that’s just not going to happen until January.

    This whole RNC is a travesty. The level of dishonesty was astounding. By my count tonight, 91 lies in 70 minutes, and I’m sure there were more.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  146. No. Don’t normalize what Trump does. Just because there’s nothing he won’t corrupt or abuse for his personal glorification doesn’t mean we should accept any of it as a new normal.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  147. That was…interesting.

    It’s weird that the current dictator wanted all of those people at the Presidential Palace with the all the disease and protests and violence, I guess the Presidential Guard and Secret Police were taking no chances around the palace.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  148. @144 Then apparently we were not OK with it at that point, since it didn’t happen again for 80 years. The question was, are we OK with it now. DCSCA’s answer was sure. Yours was “but FDR”. Are you OK with it, or do you just want to share the blame with FDR?

    Nic (896fdf)

  149. Everyone to their fainting couches.

    beer ‘n pretzels (6f7034)

  150. This Flesch-Kincaid test analysis of their speeches suggests Hillary spoke to us at a ninth grade level, Trump fourth grade.

    Yeah, my post from four years ago specifically was about the acceptance speeches at the two conventions. HRC was sixth grade and DJT was ninth grade. I am not surprised one bit that in interviews and off the cuff remarks and such that Sec. Clinton spoke at a more advanced level than Mr. Trump. But I think the prepared speeches say a lot about what the candidate (and their staff) thinks about the voter. To the degree that her people had her dumb down her usual oratorical style while his people had him elevate his says a little bit about what they think of their respective voter bases, I would assert.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  151. Garrett Haake
    @GarrettHaake
    ·
    It turns out protestors like fireworks, too. All the chanting, shouting, etc has stopped. Everyone is watching.
    __ _

    American Journalists Publish Chinese Propaganda
    @JohnEkdahl
    ·
    It’s a nice change of pace to see explosions and fires in an American city that aren’t destroying businesses and livelihoods.

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  152. Does Biden drool at a one or two year-old level?

    harkin (cd4502)

  153. The problem very little of what hillary or biden says makes any sense. Unicorn energy (that only happens in the avengers) friendly mullahs. You need a believable script

    So when biden opposed blocking travel from the country where the infection originated

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  154. @153 “I think the prepared speeches say a lot about what the candidate (and their staff) thinks about the voter.”

    I think it’s probably likely that they also say alot about what the candidate and staff think the voter thinks about them. Clinton was seen as an overly intellectual snob teacher’s pet, so she toned things down to seem less than that. Trump was seen as having the vocabulary of a toddler, so he had to tone things up.

    Nic (896fdf)

  155. So when biden opposed blocking travel from the country where the infection originated

    This is a lie, Biden never did that.

    Dave (1bb933)

  156. Kenneth P. Vogel
    @kenvogel

    FUN FACT: In Washington, DC, it is unlawful for a person to make an unreasonably loud noise between 10pm & 7am that is likely to annoy or disturb one or more other persons in their residences, punishable by a max fine of $500 & 90 days in jail. https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/22-1321.html
    _ _

    Allan
    @AllanRicharz
    ·
    Fun fact: they applied for and received a permit
    _ _

    Chris Manning
    @Manning4USCong
    ·
    FUN FACT: Rioting looting arson assault battery and destruction of property are unlawful in D.C. 24/7 365

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  157. Wait…he droned on for seventy minutes?!

    We all know The Great Leader is intoxicated by the sound of his own voice, but … wow.

    Dave (1bb933)

  158. Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden

    A wall will not stop the coronavirus.

    Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it.

    This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet — and we need a plan to combat it.
    5:05 PM · Mar 12, 2020

    _

    lol
    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  159. lol

    Now quote the part where he said he opposed the travel ban.

    (spoiler alert: he didn’t)

    Dave (1bb933)

  160. In case you forgot, the China travel ban was in January, not March.

    Dave (1bb933)

  161. In case you forgot, the China travel ban was in January, not March.

    Also relatively important, almost all of the current 180,000 deaths in the United States can be traced to the strain from…Europe, which is not China.

    Also, also, the China “travel ban” didn’t ban people from coming to the US from China, over 40k people came to the US from China after the “travel ban” was put in place.

    So other than that, it was totally effective, that’s definitely why the US has had a very small outbreak of Covid, totally.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  162. Biden wrote an op-Ed four days before the travel ban was announced:

    “The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. … The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more. … To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.”

    That was in response to this statement by the Great Coronavirus Leader a few days earlier when the first case in the US was discovered:

    “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  163. For any Democrat this much misdirection, deception and outright lying would mean eight years of Gym Jordan browbeating. For Trump, it’s Thursday.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  164. Also relatively important, almost all of the current 180,000 deaths in the United States can be traced to the strain from…Europe, which is not China.

    That could be evidence that the travel restrictions did some good, and even though they were porous, they probably did prevent some infected people from getting in.

    Remember that China itself imposed a very strict lockdown toward the end of January too.

    The problem is that after taking one reasonable step, Trump decided the problem was solved, and wasted the next six weeks gaslighting.

    Dave (1bb933)

  165. Dave, it’s almost like a senile old man predicted how big a total failure that Trump was going to be responding to an actual crisis.

    Trump rewarded him by being even worse than predicted. Trump has actually been actively making the pandemic worse, significantly.

    Tonight, he did promise that we’d have a vaccine this year or sooner. I guess that means we’ll have one last year we can give people early this year so the 180,000 dead people will then be undeaded, or something. Trump’s English is kind of rough, plus, you know, he’s a moron, but that’s what he said.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  166. we can only solve all the problems that began during the presidency of president donald who is the president by reelecting him to two or three more terms mr dustin

    its kind of a nobrainer

    Dave (1bb933)

  167. Factcheck.org looked into the dueling Trump and Biden claims on the travel restrictions in China and found that both of them are playing fast and loose with the truth. On the one hand, Biden never officially came out against Trump’s travel restrictions despite what the President claims, though he did grouse about xenophobia a couple of days after they were issued (his campaign later insisted he wasn’t speaking specifically about the travel ban, even though that what was in the news at the time). On the other hand, Biden didn’t get around to officially agreeing with Trump’s travel restrictions until April, which seems to suggest that he might not have been inclined to issue them himself at the end of January when Trump did.

    By way of comparison, Canada, a country beloved by correct-thinking progressives everywhere partly for its woke young leader (even if he has a troublesome history with the racial insensitivity stuff) didn’t start to warn against travel to China until March 13, a full six weeks after the U.S. started restricting travel. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that a Biden Administration would have hewed more closely to the Canadian timeline than the Trump timeline.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  168. oops i meant mr colonel

    covfefe

    Dave (1bb933)

  169. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that a Biden Administration would have hewed more closely to the Canadian timeline than the Trump timeline.

    And yet, somehow, Canada (like every other advanced, wealthy country) has outperformed the US by every measure.

    Our current per capita daily death rate is 16 times theirs.

    If we had Canada’s per capita cumulative death toll, 100,000 more Americans would still be alive.

    Dave (1bb933)

  170. The big problem in America are kernels who kill Americans because of the debt they owe the military complex

    mg (8cbc69)

  171. Let’s compare Canada and the US when Canada has the same climate and population density as the United States. Or a governor like Cuomo who treats nursing homes like concentration camps.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  172. I skipped it and went to bed. On a scale of 1-5 how important was what i missed?

    Time123 (53ef45)

  173. C-SPAN coverage of RNC Convention last night. As DCSCA noted above the C-SPAN coverage does have good shots of the audience/crowd, such as at 1:40. It shows they are not wearing masks.

    DRJ (aede82)

  174. I predict Trump will repeat the lie that Biden attacked him for imposing (partial) travel restrictions on China in late January.

    On Jan 31st, Biden attacked Trump for 1) his failure to fund some international health agencies that might have responded to the virus sooner (parse that as you will), and 2) for his xenophobic travel bans in general (but did not specifically mention China). Others attacked him directly on the China travel ban with the usual “you’ll harm international cooperation” drivel.

    I’ll give you 2 Pinoccchios here for “somewhat misleading”.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  175. I find the various “fact-checkers” wrong on some facts (yes, the US is a next energy exporter and has been since at least 2019. Just quoting oil import numbers is disingenuous),

    They also tend to drift into opinion-checking, finding Trump’s opinions do not agree with their DNC talking point faxes (e.g. which administration is responsible for the pre-Covid economic boom).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  176. In case you forgot, the China travel ban was in January, not March.

    And it wasn’t a “ban”, they were restrictions, with eleven exemptions that allowed over 40,000 to travel here from China.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  177. Oops, Klink covered that.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  178. In any event, Trump’s reaction to China in January did happen, and he did get criticized for it by the usual suspects. While it was ineffective, it was more than other countries had done at the time. Still, these are weak laurels to rest upon. Better would be if he hadn’t come off like the mayor in “Jaws” in Feb and March.

    The only thing that would have helped would have been a lockdown in early Feb, coupled with a total airline stop. But he would never have been able to pull it off, even if he wanted to.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  179. Trump bragging about his Covid response. Really?

    Something I don’t hear often enough is just what this country’s situation would look like if most people actually followed his example and listened to his advice. Right now, about 75% of people do wear masks, try to socially distance and avoid crowded spaces. What if they didn’t?

    Georgia, Florida and Texas followed his lead, for a time. Some of the plains states still are. The Dakotas, just as you’d expect, are now seeing a steep rise in cases.

    If everyone had listened to Donald Trump, we would have had a disastrous mountain of cases and nobody would have felt safe for many months. The healthcare system would have been severely overrun, death tolls in unspeakable amounts and businesses of all kinds in trouble.

    He has been playing with fire. America’s Covid cases are way too high. Now, we move on to opening schools in the middle of his mess.

    noel (80a6d7)

  180. It shows they are not wearing masks.

    Inaccurate.

    In fact, multiple were wearing masks– certainly not an overwhelming number- as noted – but enough to catch the eye and it is a credit to CSPAN that they included these people in their imagery. But to suggest ‘nobody was wearing masks’ at the event plays into the media spin.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  181. ^multiple people

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  182. A few of them were wearing masks. Congratulations.

    noel (80a6d7)

  183. The substance and the text are excellent. The delivery, not so much. Was overstuffed, clocking in at 70+ minutes. One thing you can give the 2016 Trump campaign is they understood campaigning in a country where most people’s attention spans are limited to 30 minutes of a “Seinfled” rerun means make it quick and snappy, even in front of adoring crowds. Doubt it changes things either way. I like that he paid tribute to many great people. Detective Familia’s family was touching. But looked like they needed some serious editing.

    Bugg (47841b)

  184. @151. It’s fairly difficult to separate the trappings of office from the individual running- especially if events are held in public places. The key is to pin the expenses back on to the campaign and not burden the taxpayers w/t costs. So any costs from the WH event last night should really be picked up by the campaign- beyond the routine gov’t expense for security and so forth [Biden & Harris now get SS protection on the taxpayer dime, too.] And after all, the media refers to Plagiarst JoeyBee in shorthand as ‘Vice President Biden’ when he is not the VP — or ‘former Vice President Biden’ when they decide to address him in more accurate terms. In fact, Joe is running as a private citizen this time- just as Trump did in 2015- albeit w/t burden of four decades of government service on his back-and not from an current position in government– as Harris holds. And the press still refers to Newt Gingrich as ‘Mr. Speaker’ when hasn’t held that job in 21 years. They still address Carter s ‘Mr. President’ as well- and he has been out of public office since January, 1981.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  185. @186. Congratulate CSPAN– for being the true ‘fair and balanced’ broadcaster.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  186. Reading the transcript, the best line so far:

    “These same policies led to crippling power outages in California just last week. How can Joe Biden claim to be an “ally of the Light” when his own party can’t even keep the lights on?”
    __

    harkin (cd4502)

  187. 145.New Lincoln Project ad…

    When does the one showing both Conways resigning break?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  188. Monday was a “firehose” of dissembling, Tuesday was a “tidal wave” of untruths, Wednesday was a “cascade” of dishonest bullsh*t, and Trump’s speech was a “tsunami” of lies.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  189. Not quite CSpan but here is another angle for those who are in a panic over masks. I see a few masks:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1299237845043834880

    Priorities…

    BuDuh (2c3769)

  190. President Cognitive, in response to an interviewer’s question on his second term agenda:

    “But so I think, I think it would be, I think it would be very, very, I think we’d have a very, very solid, we would continue what we’re doing, we’d solidify what we’ve done, and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  191. While it was ineffective, it was more than other countries had done at the time. Still, these are weak laurels to rest upon.

    There were 38 other countries that banned or restricted travel from China at or before Trump did his thing, and the airlines were already starting to do it on their own. It was a Big Claim that ended up doing little.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  192. The link is behind a paywall, Dave. Is there a complete transcript available of the interview?

    BuDuh (2c3769)

  193. They have learned the lesson of times select.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  194. it’s like with the telegraph, my old fishwrap the herald has the same problem

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  195. 97. That’s President Idiot to you. 😉

    You should take comfort in knowing that unlike the previous CIC, you’re a smarter egg than the current POTUS, Davey.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  196. CNN picked up Trump’s gibberish answer to Peter Baker.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  197. ^197.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  198. back in the day, she’d be played by patsy kensit,

    https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1266770532252483584

    there aren’t too many actresses that can pull off a south african accent, she was in ‘the valley of death’ in liberia, during the ebola outbreak,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  199. SO, reading the WaPo front page these last weeks, nearly everything the Democrats said was brilliant and insightful, and the GOP convention was lie after untruth after deception.

    Democracy dies when the press takes sides.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  200. I’m not a fan of Trump, but you have to be embarrassed for the way the press has its thumb on the scale. It’s like rooting for the Astros.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  201. @195. OTOH: Former Vice President Cognitive:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_wlQZ5N_2k

    Max Headroom called and wants his act back.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  202. @202: Gibberish answers can happen whenever a candidate doesn’t run away from interviews and cower in a bunker.

    beer ‘n pretzels (992ab6)

  203. @206. I agree. Thoroughly disappointed w/this generation of ‘journalists.’ They’re less reporters and more teleprompter readers. Cronkite would be critical and embarrassed at the curren ‘standards and practices’ at work. He didn’t give JFK or LBJ a pass; nor Nixon, Ford or Carter. And recall CBS’s Mudd ‘rogering’ Ted Kennedy w/basic questions about why he was running? When has Biden been subjected to a similar grilling? At least Trump has the balls to banter w/t press and not hide in a bunker doing a ‘Max Headroom’ act–because Trump knows how to jousted w/t press, having learned how in the media capital of the planet. Scranton, Wilmington and the cozy, protected club of the U.S. Senate ain’t New York City.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  204. “What we’re working on is how I get out.” — Joe Biden

    We?

    Leave the slippers behind. Put your pants and loafers on, Joe. Stand up, park the walker by the chair, Joe. Step to the door with vigor– [not some aide you’ve nicknamed Vigor, Joe] and place the cane against the wall, Joe. Turn the knob and put one foot in front of the other, Joe– and stride out ino the sunshine.

    Oh wait– damn, you forgot your mask! Go back inside, get it, and repeat the whole process, Joe.

    ‘Course another ‘way out’ is to simply quit the race. Just like you did— in 1988.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  205. Except for the herald tribune a d perhaps time who was a major media critic of jfk, shirley.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  206. Monday was a “firehose” of dissembling, Tuesday was a “tidal wave” of untruths, Wednesday was a “cascade” of dishonest bullsh*t, and Trump’s speech was a “tsunami” of lies.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/28/2020 @ 8:34 am

    Thanks for sharing the far left’s opinion. I thought you were doing that all last night, but good to see you at it again.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  207. If Greg Abbott is smart, he is taking notes on the Biden campaign for what NOT to do and say, though I’m sure hes got guns (not firearms) of steel. And if John Bel Edwards is smart, he won’t let Biden upstage a 2024 audition moment.

    urbanleftbehind (6ee9e1)

  208. And BLM continues to provide fodder for the Trump campaign:

    https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/1299311825490714624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1299311825490714624%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fwatch-leftists-allegedly-assault-harass-elderly-people-leaving-rnc-convention

    As Ari Fleisher asked, “Doing this to an elderly couple, simply because they attended President Trump’s speech. Why?”

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  209. @214. It’s morning in America…. and there are more angry, shouting black people on my TeeVee in Washington.

    “Say her name! Say her name!” – barks Al Sharpton.

    Okay, Al: Tawana Brawley! Tawana Brawley!

    If you’re young and unfamiliar w/her fabricated rape case and scammer Sharpton’s role in it, Google it.

    … and The Silent Majority smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  210. “No justice! No peace!”

    Love it. How did, ‘Burn, baby, burn!’ work in the 60’s for ‘ya? These twits are God’s gift to Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  211. Thanks for sharing the far left’s opinion. I thought you were doing that all last night, but good to see you at it again.

    You’re welcome Rob and noted, your ongoing failure to comprehend the difference between opinion and fact. Picking his first quote from the piece…

    “America has tested more [for the novel coronavirus] than every country in Europe put together, and more than every nation in the Western Hemisphere combined. We have conducted 40 million more tests than the next closest nation.”

    The comment is technically true but misleading. We rank 18th on a tests-per-million basis. At this stage, we’re testing as much as we are right now because we’ve failed to contain the virus while Europe has succeeded, although they’ve faced an upswing in August. Trump is clearly resentful that we’re testing as much as we because more testing means more confirmed cases, which makes Trump look bad (that is what you call an opinion), which is why he said “slow the testing down” and why he pressured CDC on not contract-tracing asymptomatics.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  212. Wedding anniversaries and birthdays side, who the hell celebrates the ’57th anniversary’ of anything?

    Oh. right; angry blacks.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  213. there are more angry, shouting black people on my TeeVee in Washington

    Here I must disagree. There are plenty of white jerks doing the same thing. And many more blacks who are horrified at what is occurring.

    It’s not race. It is radical Marxist ideology, masquerading as a racial issue.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  214. Wedding anniversaries and birthdays side, who the hell celebrates the ’57th anniversary’ of anything?

    The Heinz Foods Company would, I imagine.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  215. The Bee once again nails it:

    Leftists Fight Fascism By Marching Through Streets Forcing Everyone To Perform Their Special Salute

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—Leftists announced a bold new tactic to eradicate fascism from the land today: marching in lockstep through the streets and accosting anyone who doesn’t chant their slogans and perform their special salute.

    “We did it! We defeated fascism!” cried one elated protester after the mob accosted a woman in the street and screamed in her face for not performing their salute, in which their arms were raised at a 45-degree angle. “Great job, everyone! Free milkshakes for everyone!” They then threw milkshakes at random passersby.

    As for citizens who don’t perform the special salute, mobs are organizing camps for them to be reeducated in. Should people not own a car to drive to the camps, they will be sent via public transportation, possibly a train.“

    https://babylonbee.com/news/leftists-fight-fascism-by-marching-through-streets-forcing-everyone-to-perform-their-salute/?utm_content=buffere6c26&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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    harkin (2dbed4)

  216. @220. ROFLMOPIP! Touche! As a Pittsburgher born and bred, shudda though of that–

    Well played, sir!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  217. @219.Nah. It’s race. That’s an easy pot to sir for the Wallace/Nixon/Trump-minded.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  218. California Senate Republicans under COVID-19 quarantine, not allowed in state Capitol
    Nearly every Republican in the California Senate was barred from the state Capitol on Thursday and required to vote remotely for the remainder of session after contact tracing showed that a lawmaker who tested positive for COVID-19 had exposed the others.

    The state Senate abruptly canceled session on Wednesday after learning that Sen. Brian Jones (R-Santee) tested positive for the virus. Jones is now under quarantine orders along with nine Republican lawmakers he had personal contact with in recent days. Several Senate staffers are also under quarantine, Senate officials said.

    “Unfortunately, the nature of the gathering that resulted in the exposures was such that virtually every member of the Republican Caucus is now unable to enter the Capitol without violating public health orders,” Senate President Pro Tem Toni Atkins (D-San Diego) said in a statement. “I know our Republican colleagues are disappointed not to be on the floor or in their offices today, but I also know they would never knowingly put the health and safety of others at risk.”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  219. Oh my stars!

    Biden hits Trump where it hurts: in the convention speech ratings

    President Trump’s Thursday night convention speech making the case for his reelection was lower-rated than his challenger Joe Biden’s speech one week ago, according to overnight Nielsen ratings.

    About 21.6 million viewers watched coverage of Trump’s RNC address across nine cable and broadcast networks, down from 23.6 million viewers who watched Biden’s DNC address on the same nine networks.

    The totals may fluctuate slightly when final numbers are released later in the day, but Biden clearly edged out Trump.

    The Democratic convention was also higher-rated than the Republican convention overall when the audience for all four days is tallied up.

    And then:

    Biden’s campaign relished the ratings victory on Friday: TJ Ducklo, national press secretary for the Biden campaign, tweeted to Biden rapid response director Andrew Bates and asked, tongue very firmly in cheek, “I always forget, does @realDonaldTrump care about his television ratings? Or is that not something he cares about? Like, do you think it’ll trigger him that @JoeBiden’s speech got way bigger ratings than his did?”

    What kind of character tell is it when someone’s ratings get blown out of the water by a plagiarist and a bunch of non-whites, Deezy-eska?

    Seems pretty low-energy.

    Like a show headed for cancellation in the fall…

    Dave (1bb933)

  220. A Word Not Uttered by Republican Officials at the Convention: Obamacare
    ………
    This week, Mr. Trump didn’t mention Obamacare at all in his convention speech. The word that rallied Republican voters for nearly a decade has barely been uttered. It came up precisely once during the convention, during a speech by Natalie Harp, a cancer survivor who is not an elected official.

    In the 2012 and 2016 G.O.P. conventions, repealing Obamacare was a central, almost obligatory part of every political speech, a goal shared by every candidate, a priority of almost every Republican voter.
    ………
    ……… This year, there were no calls for repeal, just a claim from Ms. Harp that the Affordable Care Act caused expensive insurance premiums.
    ………
    “It would make no sense to argue over spilled milk,” said Josh Holmes, a Republican strategist and president of the consulting firm Cavalry, who came up with the “repeal and replace” slogan. “It’s pretty well documented that they took a run at it, came one vote short of repealing Obamacare, and then pretty quickly turned the page.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  221. That’s ok, impeachment was never mentioned at the Dem convention. Why wouldn’t they brag about that success story?

    BuDuh (776371)

  222. Wedding anniversaries and birthdays side, who the hell celebrates the ’57th anniversary’ of anything?

    Oh. right; angry blacks.

    And delusional bigots who tell anyone who’ll listen that it’s 1964?

    Dave (1bb933)

  223. Dave, were you able to find the transcript?

    BuDuh (776371)

  224. Good point RIP, I guess the GOP is done with repeal and replace. Trump is such a fighter. Promises made promises kept.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  225. What Donald Trump couldn’t bring himself to say: Takeaways from RNC Night 4
    ……….
    Just about everything Trump has said or done during his presidency was reflected in the address. To use a bit of sports terminology, the president left it all on the field.

    But despite the statements and overstatements, Trump’s speech was most notable for what it lacked. Call it humility. Or self awareness. Or introspection. What the president failed to do Thursday is what he’s refused to do throughout his presidency: acknowledge the thing that makes so many people dislike him.

    “ I want you to know that every moment of every day — late at night, early in the morning — I’m always fighting for you,” Trump might have told the nation. “And yes, every so often, that fighting spirit gets the better of me. But I want you to know, America, that every statement, every conflict, every tweet — even the ones I wish I could take back — comes from a place of love for this country, love for its people, and an unwavering resolve to protect them.”

    Imagine Trump saying that. It would lead every broadcast. It would challenge every caricature. It would cause voters to sit up and take notice. No such utterance would negate three and a half years of presidential malfeasance. Purely as a matter of political tactics, however, it could succeed in helping certain voters to move beyond it.
    ………
    ……… He could have promised to tame the country by first pledging to tame himself. He could have turned a weakness into a strength, like any savvy job applicant, explaining that his biggest flaw is that he cares too much. Even if insincere, a tacit admission of his own shortcomings — and a vow to improve — could have worked political wonders.

    But Trump can’t bring himself to do it. There will be no plot twist at the end of this saga. The leading man is who he is, for better or worse.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  226. CNN was crowing that Trump’s TeeVee ratings last night were less than Biden’s last week. What Coop and ‘media reporter’ Brian Pork-Chop noticeably failed to report to viewers was the overnights from last night are skewed because a CAT 4 hurricane was slamming into the Gulf coast knocking out power to hundreds of thousands of Americans in several states who couldn’t see his Trump’s acceptance speech ‘whether’ they wanted to or not.

    I’ve spent my career working in the media biz and give it a lot of leeway, as one should to a boisterous free press, but it is increasingly clear, at least to me, that much of the news media today, chiefly the news cablers– in this generation anyway– have let their slips show and are biased for Biden. Not that Trump is angel, but the biases surfacing are increasingly obvious ad disappointing, because the credibility built by generations before them is fragile and easily damaged.

    If any of these so called ‘journalists’ committed the kind of blatant and repeated plagiarism Joe Biden has done, it would literally end their careers.

    A lot of the blame goes to the young suits behind the cameras, too; 30-something news directors chasing minute-by-minute ratings and clicks. It’s all bout the $. So today, they give a guy like plagiarist Biden a pass andjust d rip-and-read teleprompter copy. Look what happened to Brian Williams’ career just a few years ago when he was caught exaggerating tales– it got him yanked off the air for months- cost him the NBC News anchor gig and sent to cable news purgatory to run out his contract. And recall the Rather fiasco; it cost him his gig.

    Yeah. I’m getting old. But I miss Walter Cronkite- and the kind of journalism standards he stove to maintain. Perhaps it was his newspaper experience, but there was a reason why he was labeled ‘the most trusted man America.’ He’d earned it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  227. mittens and his ilk are a gift to Trumps America

    mg (8cbc69)

  228. @229. …and The Silent Majority smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  229. @228-
    Both are ancient history.

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  230. @234. If memory serves, Mittens’ convention suffered ratings issues and was cut short due to a hurricane as well.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  231. Even if insincere, a tacit admission of his own shortcomings — and a vow to improve — could have worked political wonders.

    A: Who writes this garbage?

    B: Who believes this garbage?

    BuDuh (776371)

  232. The article is on the front page of today’s print edition of the NY Times, but there is no transcript that I can see.

    Dave (1bb933)

  233. Ok. Thanks Dave. At this point we have no idea what took place in the interview.

    BuDuh (776371)

  234. baker, should high light it in the piece,

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-trap-the-democrats-walked-right?token=

    people at say the basilisk, rarely read the times, heck much of their own reporters are at fault,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  235. Trump Warns America: ‘Biden’s America’ Will Look Like Trump’s America
    ………
    In the RNC’s world, the COVID-19 pandemic (when it was mentioned at all) was a story of how Trump’s quick thinking had saved countless lives, how the more than 180,000 who have died are just sad but inevitable casualties of China’s negligence, and how we’ve already reached a turning point, with a vaccine or “miracle” cure just around the corner.

    In this world, riots and crime spikes in certain cities are a preview of what would happen under a President Joe Biden, even though it’s Trump rather than Biden who’s been in power for nearly four years. (Crime and unrest were also sometimes blamed on Democratic city leaders, and positioned as a reason to vote Trump, despite the fact that neither president changes who is in charge of American cities and states.)
    ……..
    Every presidential campaign contains a certain amount of overwrought “this is the most important election of your life” rhetoric, but the RNC dialed it up unbelievably this week, suggesting again and again that America as we know it would not exist under a Biden administration and the only way to prevent a dystopian hellscape from spilling over into your backyard is to vote Trump. ……..
    ………
    But even though the messaging was a bit all over the place, the predominant message was that Biden and his vice presidential pick, Kamala Harris, are the embodiment of a left turning toward socialism and anarchy. That what you see in images of chaos and fire is somehow what Biden wants and what will only grow worse if you do not vote for Trump.

    It was a bizarre message for an incumbent president to run on, to say the least. Whatever might happen under Biden, this quite literally is happening under Trump.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  236. Rip, Harris actually asked for the protest movement to keep it up, fully aware of who that includes and what that includes. Democrats blaming the conduct of democrats on Trump while noting that the president is not directly in control of local policies is really deceptive in my opinion.

    I don’t like Trump at all, but if Biden wanted my vote he really should address this like a leader, and not like he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth. Politicians with experience usually do talk out of both sides of their mouths, trying to please everyone, and isn’t that why Trump had a chance at winning in the first place?

    Trump did make the pandemic worse here. He would similarly screw up the next big crisis we can’t anticipate. Maybe Biden’s team of Obama advisors would do better (I think they would). I have no hope the GOP ever gets better (if I did, a biden win would actually hasten it).

    Screw them all.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  237. Whatever might happen under Biden, this quite literally is happening under Trump.

    might? LOL

    We already know what happened under Biden: Sanford, Ferguson, Occupy, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Brooklyn, Portland, Antifa, kneel downs, ….

    beer ‘n pretzels (fc7939)

  238. The strategy of ex-communicated ideological conservatives and Lincoln Project types is pretty transparent. It’s not about the country– but themselves. Push to elect Biden, a weak Democrat who at any other time they would vehemently oppose, expect R’s to manipulate the old-cross-the-aisle-dude, tread water, keep a seat at the table, tag a fresh Rigtie for ’24 and pray Old Joe doesn’t croak and leave them a President Harris to deal with.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  239. There were 38 other countries that banned or restricted travel from China at or before Trump did his thing, and the airlines were already starting to do it on their own. It was a Big Claim that ended up doing little.

    Yeah, China did such good job. A lot of others that don’t have a free press had great results, too.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  240. @244 You know Trump is the president right now don’t you?

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  241. Let’s compare Canada and the US when Canada has the same climate and population density as the United States.

    80% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border, so the climate differences where the people live don’t very significant. Also, President Trump said warm weather would make the virus disappear, so to the extent there’s a difference, it works in our favor.

    If you think population density accounts for the difference, the US is actually one of the most sparsely populated wealthy countries.

    America’s population density is 36/km^2. Germany’s is 237/km^2. And South Korea’s 529/km^2 – fourteen times ours.

    And yet, our per capita death rate right in the last week is 56 times higher than Germany’s, and 140 times higher than South Korea’s.

    Dave (1bb933)

  242. don’t aren’t

    Dave (1bb933)

  243. @229. Tawana Brawley! Tawana Brawley! 1987! 1987!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  244. @241

    Just read Sullivan’s piece. It is devastating, and I take my proverbial hat off to him for articulating it so well.

    Here are some highlights:

    These despicable fanatics, like it or not, are now in part the face of the Democrats: a snarling bunch of self-righteous, entitled bigots, chanting slogans rooted in pseudo-Marxist claptrap, erecting guillotines — guillotines! — in the streets as emblems of their agenda. They are not arguing; they are attempting to coerce. And liberals, from the Biden campaign to the New York Times, are too cowardly and intimidated to call out these bullies and expel them from the ranks.

    . . .
    But Biden, let’s face it, is weak and a party man to his core, and has surrendered to the far left at almost every single turn — from abortion to immigration to race. You’d be a fool I think, to believe he could resist their fanaticism in office, or that if he does, he won’t be toast in a struggle to succeed him.

    Although Sullivan ends up endorsing Biden, his opinion piece shows why Biden will likely lose.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  245. This week, Mr. Trump didn’t mention Obamacare at all in his convention speech. The word that rallied Republican voters for nearly a decade has barely been uttered.

    In part because it’s worst aspect — the utterly gameable co-pay subsidies that do not have to be paid back if you “misestimated” — have been gutted by the courts (Congress failed to appropriate the money). This has meant that people could not freeload on Obamacare completely and had to pay significant amounts in premiums and co-pays. Before you could get nearly free super-platinum care by lying about income and you would NOT have to pay most of it back.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  246. You know Trump is the president right now don’t you?

    Filed under: Questions You Never Asked 4+ Years Ago.

    beer ‘n pretzels (3456e8)

  247. Research on mask effectiveness

    Data from numerous sources as to mask effectiveness. But the reality is it is not Trumps, a Governors Or a mayors responsibility to enter your house every morning to make sure you put your mask on when you walk out the door. The wearing or not wearing of a mask is personal responsibility and conscious choice. If you think Trumps take on it is so powerful you also believe the American public doesn’t know how to think for themselves.

    Marci (405d43)

  248. We already know what happened under Biden: Sanford, Ferguson, Occupy, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Brooklyn, Portland, Antifa, kneel downs, ….

    beer ‘n pretzels (fc7939) — 8/28/2020 @ 12:58 pm

    I kinda agree with this. This whole movement started during the Obama administration. ‘He acted stupidly but I’ll have a beer with him’ and Trayvon Martin vs that idiot George Zimmerman. That set the stage. It would make no sense to blame this on Biden, who had little real power, but if we’re blaming Trump for all protests, those organizations were left there, set up, ready for him.

    Trump has failed as a leader of the whole country. he doesn’t even care about that kind of thing. He isn’t fit to shine George W Bush’s shoes because of this. Both Trump and Obama had a chance to make a dent in this division and both of them declined to try.

    But if we blame Trump for the action of people who will vote for Biden, that’s a pretty bad incentive structure. And most people intuitively get that. Every video of a bully masked goon screaming at someone for having the wrong skin color is hurting Biden’s election, and I hope that point continues to be made.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  249. Well, it’s just that you’re listing stuff that’s happening under Trump’s term, and blaming Biden for it….

    Time123 (235fc4)

  250. South Dakota now #4 among US states in new COVID cases per capita.

    Up 87% in the last week, and double the national case rate.

    I’ll take “Who could have imagined it” for $400, Alex…

    Dave (1bb933)

  251. Trayvon Martin vs that idiot George Zimmerman

    Free documentary at the link:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JoelSGilbert/status/1249372342431571968

    I hope you watch the whole thing.

    BuDuh (776371)

  252. Remember when Obama said he wanted to create his own force that was outside the military and the police. It is active in Democrat cities nationwide.

    NJRob (ef83a2)

  253. @258-
    I hope Gryph is ok…….

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  254. More:

    In this stunning work of investigative journalism, filmmaker Joel Gilbert uncovers the true story of the shooting of Trayvon Martin, a case that divided America. By examining Trayvon’s 750-page phone records, Gilbert discovers that Rachel Jeantel, the key witness whose testimony led to the prosecution of George Zimmerman, was a fraud. Gilbert’s research takes him to the high schools of Miami Gardens, into the back alleys of Little Haiti, and finally to Florida State University where he finds Trayvon’s real girlfriend, Diamond Eugene, the girl who actually was on the phone with Trayvon in his final minutes. Gilbert confirms his revelations with forensic handwriting analysis and DNA testing. He then exposes in detail the most consequential hoax in recent judicial history and reveals how The Trayvon Hoax was ground zero for the downward spiral of race relations in America. This incredible film and book have the potential to bring America back together again.

    https://www.thetrayvonhoax.com/

    BuDuh (776371)

  255. Well, it’s just that you’re listing stuff that’s happening under Trump’s term, and blaming Biden for it….

    Hello?? All of that happened under Obama/Biden. Really, Time123, is your memory that bad, or have you OD’d on MSNBC?

    beer ‘n pretzels (3456e8)

  256. Splitting the difference……
    Two P.R. experts at the F.D.A. have been removed after the fiasco over convalescent plasma.
    …….
    On Friday, the F.D.A. commissioner, Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, removed Emily Miller, the agency’s chief spokeswoman. The White House had installed Ms. Miller, who had previously worked in communications for the re-election campaign of Senator Ted Cruz and as a journalist for One America News, the conservative cable network, in this post just 11 days ago.
    ………
    Ms. Miller’s removal came one day after the F.D.A.’s parent agency, the Department of Health and Human Services, terminated the contract of a public relations consultant who had advised Dr. Hahn to correct misleading comments about the benefits of blood plasma for Covid-19.

    “I did recommend that he correct the record,” said the consultant, Wayne L. Pines, who said he wasn’t told why his contract was severed. “If a federal official doesn’t say something right, and chooses to clarify and say that the criticism is justified, that’s refreshing,” Mr. Pines said.

    The Department of Health and Human Services denied that Mr. Pines’s contract was terminated because of his involvement in the plasma messaging.

    It was “100 percent coincidence,” said Brian Harrison, the department’s chief of staff. …….
    …….
    Right………..

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  257. Allahpundit surveys the RNC ratings wreckage ruefully:

    All I’ll say is that I think Biden is now entitled to refer to Trump as a “low-rated cuck” for the duration of the campaign.

    Not that he should, mind you. Just that he’s entitled.

    Dave (1bb933)

  258. you also believe the American public doesn’t know how to think for themselves.

    The stories of people who thought Covid-19 was a “hoax” until they got very sick–and in some cases died–indicates that a lot of people really don’t think for themselves very well, and/or put entirely too much trust in Donald Trump.

    The countries that are weathering Covid the best are the ones where leaders are much more serious and less selfish than Trump, and where there isn’t a large segment of the population choosing to believe that experts don’t know any more than the average person and are probably wrong about everything.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  259. But the reality is it is not Trumps, a Governors Or a mayors responsibility to enter your house every morning to make sure you put your mask on when you walk out the door. The wearing or not wearing of a mask is personal responsibility and conscious choice. If you think Trumps take on it is so powerful you also believe the American public doesn’t know how to think for themselves.

    Marci (405d43) — 8/28/2020 @ 1:36 pm

    I reject the premise that *if* you think Trump’s take on mask-wearing is so powerful then you must believe that the American public doesn’t know how to think for themselves. It’s a false choice. The President of the United States has a platform like no other in the world. He leads the country, and it is his responsibility to lead with his top priority being America’s best interests. Even back in April, the CDC was recommending people wear masks. This isn’t hard: You may be asymptomatic and transmit the virus to someone else. Therefore, to err on the side of caution and to limit the possible spread of infection, put up a barrier and wear a mask. It’s just common sense that a barrier covering face/nose will limit the aerosol. If two people wear a mask when talking to each other in person, then that’s twice the barrier. With that, President Trump is the most powerful man in our country, and is our leader, for better or worse. So, had he led by example and worn a mask from the get-go, and encouraged all Americans to fight our common enemy and follow his lead because Covid doesn’t recognize political parties, you can be sure that his weight of influence would have resulted in far more Americans wearing masks. It’s irresponsible that he was too chicken to take a small step that everyone can take to help in the fight against Covid. And his cavalier attitude was rooted in nothing more pedestrian and crass than his own vanity and fear of what he might look like wearing one, and how he might be perceived by other leaders. Moreover, he didn’t want to risk losing the approval of his base, who seem to shun science and see everything – even that reasonable and based in common sense – as a threat to their very existence.

    The American people are making their own decisions about masks. We have 182,000 Americans dead as a result of the virus. Do you really believe that none of those individuals could have taken precautions to prevent getting infected, including wearing a mask? There are too many stories out there that tell us that wearing a mask could have limited (severely) transmission.

    Dana (292df6)

  260. A Nevada lab confirmed the first coronavirus reinfection in the U.S., a case that included severe symptoms.
    A public health laboratory in Nevada has reported the first confirmed coronavirus reinfection in the United States, and the first in the world known to have brought on severe symptoms.
    ……..
    The patient is a 25-year-old man in Reno who apparently experienced a second bout of infection just 48 days after his first, according to health officials in Nevada.
    ……….
    The patient in Nevada had a sore throat, cough, nausea and diarrhea starting on March 25. He tested positive on April 18, recovered by April 27, and tested negative twice. He began to feel unwell again on May 28, and three days later sought help for a similar set of symptoms.

    He was hospitalized on June 5 for shortness of breath and needed oxygen; an X-ray showed the “ground-glass opacities” typical of Covid-19.

    Researchers genetically sequenced the viruses from each bout, and found they were too different to be accounted for by an extended first illness. The findings have been submitted for consideration to the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  261. Some supposedly intelligent people here seem to be missing the point. In case you did not notice, we have a federal system of government. Power is distributed among the states, and there are limits to what the federal government can do. Controlling rioters and looters is primarily the job of state and local authorities (except if they ask for help, or it’s a matter of protecting federal property).

    Now it has not escaped my notice that the rioting and looting is not a nationwide phenomenon. It seems confined to Democratically controlled states and cities. And even there, not all. I live in NJ, a Democratic stronghold, with the City of Newark, which experienced riots in the 1960s, and yet here there has been nary a peep. (A few months ago, our medium sized NJ town had a peaceful BLM protest. No rioting, no looting, no violence. Nada.)

    Portland is burning, while Newark is quiet. Not to mention states and locales controlled by Republicans. At first blush, very strange.

    The answer is, that rioting and looting has been seen where the local Democratic politicians act in a feckless, cowardly manner. They want to play both sides of the fence – sympathize with the rioters, but not let them get out of hand. The result is what you expect – out of control situations.

    Trump quite legitimately can argue that (a) Biden is as cowardly and feckless as some Democratic mayors and governors have been, especially given the leftward lurch of the Democratic party and (b) electing him will make that policy writ large on the nation. The point is not that everything is great now. It is, if you want to see the whole country look like Portland, then vote for Joe.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  262. bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/28/2020 @ 12:26 pm

    Thanks for the link. I appreciated the candor between Sullivan and the critic to who he specifically responds in his “Dissent of the week.”. There, they wear no mask, are honest (if mistaken) about what they think:

    A small portion of the Dissent from a critic:

    On one hand, we have a party whose leader — not some fringe player — is openly racist, grifting the American people, actively sowing discourse, breaking the law, and doing things that undermine the country for his own gain. On the other hand, we have a fringe group on the left that may have some ideas that, at best, need to be fleshed out and, at worse, would do some harm — they but have no real power or authority to institute any of these changes. For a logical person, I just can’t see why you choose to focus on the latter.

    A portion of Sullivan’s response:

    No real power to institute these changes? The 1619 Project is being taught to high school kids as objective truth. Almost every single corporation has adopted critical race theory in its employment practices, and Americans are being forced to read neo-Marxist texts as a condition of employment; all traditional academic disciplines — even math — are now in the process of being “de-colonized”; every Facebook page has a BLM poster on it, along with slogans rooted in critical theory. Every major cultural institution is being re-made along these “social justice” principles, including vast swathes of philanthropy; the best-selling books in the country argue that all inequality between groups is entirely a function of “systemic oppression”; this fall, California voters will decide whether to allow open discrimination on the basis of race.

    “Neo-Marxist.” Remember, it’s not Marxism if it’s “neo-” right? And Marxism has nothing to do with and has no relevance to what is going on today. Right?

    When Sullivan begins his response with, “No real power to institute these changes?” One might wonder if he bemoans what follows, or is bragging.

    felipe (023cc9)

  263. Cronkite’s hard-hitting interview of JFK as the Democratic nominee for President:

    “MR. CRONKITE: Senator, you know we feel sometimes that the candidates get lost behind the campaign posters, so we thought we’d just talk to you today about Kennedy, the man, if that’s all right with you, sir.

    SENATOR KENNEDY: All right.

    MR. CRONKITE: Your grandfather, Mayor John Fitzgerald, of Boston, is once supposed to have said, “Come in first; second place is failure.” You certainly seem to have lived up to his maxim so far. At 26 – I mean, at 29, in 1946, you were elected to Congress, and in 1952, that upset when you defeated Senator Lodge, now the Vice Presidential candidate, on the Republican side, for his Senate seat, in Massachusetts. And, of course, your sensational string of primary victories leading to your nomination in July.

    Now, if you are elected, at 43, you will be the youngest man ever elected to the Presidency of the United States. And of course this whole matter of maturity has come up somewhat in the campaign.

    I’m just wondering if you don’t feel you’ve aged a little bit in these last three weeks of active campaigning.”

    The very next question: “MR. CRONKITE: Senator, do you ever wish that you looked older?”

    And the next: “MR. CRONKITE: Senator, there’s one little item that has come up I’ve always wondered about, and stop me if you’ve heard this one, but the change of the hair style to get away from the forelock, was that a considered political opinion or is that your own?”

    Etc., Etc. Fox does the same with Republicans. Nothing has changed and nothing will as long as politicians have fame and power, and reporters care about that.

    DRJ (aede82)

  264. I didn’t watch a minute of the RNC. Saw a couple of clips on the news, read several articles, sure, I like to keep up and somewhat informed, but I wasn’t about to watch the Trump Show. It was, from what I could gather, exactly what I thought it would be, a travesty of lies, disinformation and corruption, dressed as pageantry.

    No, I will not be voting for Trump, or any of his other pathetic sycophants, butt gerbils all. I didn’t in the last election, and I certainly won’t in this election.

    Honestly, I never thought I would ever despise someone as much as I despise Jerry Jones. And then along came Donald Trump. Words cannot describe the loathing I fell for this ill-begotten man-child. He is the ugliest of ugly Americans, representing the worst of our country and history. Shame on the the GOP for ever nominating and electing him. That only reveals the hypocrisy at the heart of the party.

    In my mind, I reconcile it with the fact that all Jerry Jones can do is ruin a football team, which he has and continues to do in his ineptitude. Donald Trump can ruin an entire country! And he has and will continue to do, in his reign of terror and incompetence.

    I won’t be voting for any Republican who supports Trump, not now, not ever. The sooner Trumpism is purged from the party, the better. We are a nation, united, with liberty and justice for all. Sad, that is not Trump’s vision of America. His is a distorted, uneducated, illiterate view of this once great country. The sooner he is gone, exculpated, excised with derision, the better.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  265. What an apt comparison, GG. Jones ruined the Cowboys for me and Trump has ruined the GOP, and I never saw either one coming.

    DRJ (aede82)

  266. “Some supposedly intelligent people here seem to be missing the point. In case you did not notice, we have a federal system of government. ”

    “Trump quite legitimately can argue that (a) Biden is as cowardly and feckless as some Democratic mayors and governors have been, especially given the leftward lurch of the Democratic party and (b) electing him will make that policy writ large on the nation. The point is not that everything is great now. It is, if you want to see the whole country look like Portland, then vote for Joe.”

    Will Biden be repealing our federal system of government? Do you think that Newark will have riots if Biden wins?

    Davethulhu (30cad6)

  267. Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 8/28/2020 @ 1:22 pm

    Yes, it is inspired. Unfortunately, in places, he resists seeing the truth he has discovered. For example, he touches upon “Weimar.” But his conclusion (in the next graph), in my opinion, is mistaken.

    What most people want in that kind of nerve-wracking instability is a figure who will come in and stamp it out. In Trump, we have someone who would happily trample any liberal democratic norm to do it.

    Once again we hear the “strongman” argument, when in reality it is law and order that people want. Trump did not start the unrest, does not have “Brown shirts,” is not Hitler. These are my words.

    felipe (023cc9)

  268. Will Biden be repealing our federal system of government? Do you think that Newark will have riots if Biden wins?

    Nice snark, but really, you are smarter than that. Or purport to be.

    No, I think Biden will show the same fecklessness and cowardice at the federal level, and that will cause further deterioration of our situation. The federal government certainly has significant influence over the state of affairs in the nation, even under the federal system.

    The federal court in Portland was under attack. That is really bad — Article III courts are very important for both civil and criminal litigants. If judges and lawyers feel under siege, then that part of the federal government is paralyzed.

    The local authorities wanted to act as feckless there as they are in the rest of the city. Trump said no, and sent in federal agents to protect the court. (Of course, the MSM spewed lies about it, and intimated this was proto-fascist. And if Trump simply let the federal court there become disfunctional, apart from failing his Constitutional duties, would the MSM have been happy?)

    Then the local authorities came to an agreement to protect the federal court in exchange for withdrawing federal agents.

    Biden would not have done any of that, IMO. That court would be under siege, to the detriment of all, including local civil rights interests.

    So please spare me the silly snark. Whoever is president wields enormous power, even if not complete power. A president who acts like the mayor of Portland and Governor of Oregon can do enormous damage. Even if Newark remains quiet.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  269. Do you think that Newark will have riots if Biden wins?

    If you want the country to look more like rioting Democrat controlled cities, vote for Democrats. Better, Davethulhu?

    Is someone like Ted Wheeler or Evers or Lightfoot more likely the result of voting D or R?

    beer ‘n pretzels (3456e8)

  270. “Nice snark, but really, you are smarter than that. Or purport to be.

    No, I think Biden will show the same fecklessness and cowardice at the federal level, and that will cause further deterioration of our situation. The federal government certainly has significant influence over the state of affairs in the nation, even under the federal system.”

    It’s not snark. You’re literally arguing both sides. It’s not Trump’s fault because federalism. It will be Biden’s fault because he sucks.

    Here’s my argument: Trump bears some blame because he’s the most divisive president in modern history.

    Davethulhu (30cad6)

  271. Will Biden be repealing our federal system of government? Do you think that Newark will have riots if Biden wins?
    Davethulhu (30cad6) — 8/28/2020 @ 2:30 pm

    “Riots?” you seem to have gone off-script. But if the left had any brains, they would have been calling them riots, so that they could be called protests under a Biden admin.

    I have no doubt that Cops will continue to cause fatalities under a Biden admin, but the way it will be reported, if at all, will be just as driving a factor of riots as it is nuder the Trump admin.

    felipe (023cc9)

  272. This:

    Donald Trump can ruin an entire country! And he has and will continue to do, in his reign of terror and incompetence.

    I won’t be voting for any Republican who supports Trump, not now, not ever. The sooner Trumpism is purged from the party, the better. We are a nation, united, with liberty and justice for all. Sad, that is not Trump’s vision of America. His is a distorted, uneducated, illiterate view of this once great country. The sooner he is gone, exculpated, excised with derision, the better.

    I think the GOP will feel the influence of Trumpism long after Trump is out of office. The party has essentially been given permission by him and his example to not just push the boundaries, but to do whatever it takes to push through his agenda. Rules and tradition be damned. That’s why you have lawyers. Thus, the guardrails are gone, and once there is a free rein of power, it’s very difficult to put it back into the bottle.

    Dana (292df6)

  273. “nuder” first time I did that, I’m pretty sure.

    felipe (023cc9)

  274. ““Riots?” you seem to have gone off-script.”

    I’m not on a script, and I haven’t accused anyone here of being on one either.

    Davethulhu (30cad6)

  275. Dana (292df6) — 8/28/2020 @ 2:48 pm

    I agree, Dana. But I would change “permission” to “confidence.” I have never sensed that anyone inside or outside Trump’s admin that they wanted his permission on anything. Any enthusiasm for him expressed by a person in “good standing” with the media was usually portrayed/framed as paying lip service to the man, and only showing respect to the office.

    felipe (023cc9)

  276. Davethulhu (30cad6) — 8/28/2020 @ 2:49 pm

    Noted. I’ll file this under “terms that do not amuse Davethulhu.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  277. @280

    This:

    Donald Trump can ruin an entire country! And he has and will continue to do, in his reign of terror and incompetence.
    I won’t be voting for any Republican who supports Trump, not now, not ever. The sooner Trumpism is purged from the party, the better. We are a nation, united, with liberty and justice for all. Sad, that is not Trump’s vision of America. His is a distorted, uneducated, illiterate view of this once great country. The sooner he is gone, exculpated, excised with derision, the better.

    I think the GOP will feel the influence of Trumpism long after Trump is out of office. The party has essentially been given permission by him and his example to not just push the boundaries, but to do whatever it takes to push through his agenda. Rules and tradition be damned. That’s why you have lawyers. Thus, the guardrails are gone, and once there is a free rein of power, it’s very difficult to put it back into the bottle.

    Dana (292df6) — 8/28/2020 @ 2:48 pm

    I wholeheartedly disagree with this sentiment.

    For one, most voters has an attention span of a gnat.

    For two, most voters are either ideologues or transactions supporters.

    And thirdly, what “guardrails” are being broken down by the Trump administration? Honestly, the Bush and Obama administration had flex the Presidential powers to such degree that Trump hasn’t advanced much further.

    whembly (c30c83)

  278. @ felipe:

    I agree, Dana. But I would change “permission” to “confidence.” I have never sensed that anyone inside or outside Trump’s admin that they wanted his permission on anything. Any enthusiasm for him expressed by a person in “good standing” with the media was usually portrayed/framed as paying lip service to the man, and only showing respect to the office.

    I’m going to stick with “permission”. It may not have been verbalized, but he certainly gave his stamp of approval – by example – of how far off the base Congress members could (and should) go to push his platform. That so many Republicans followed Trump’s lead, only reflects the weak character already in place, and just waiting for permission to indulge themselves.

    I think that the influence of Trump, and Trumpism itself will be manifest in the halls of power because no one likes to be made to pull back from their indulgences and machinations that enabled them to accomplish X, no matter that the steps to reach their goal was unethical or even illegal. If anything, Trump and his influence on Congress has served to reveal how many people we elect to office with a weak character and willingness to sacrifice the values that they assured us they would adhere to if we gave them our votes. Suckers all around.

    Dana (292df6)

  279. Plenty of people voting for Trump never watched a second of it. Me included, nor would i go and see his act. Vote for him – no problem.

    mg (8cbc69)

  280. Trump has power because he heads a political party as POTUS.

    That influence ends when his term is over.

    Does anyone thing today’s Democratic party is being lead by Obama? Or even driven by “Obamanism”?

    whembly (c30c83)

  281. *thing think

    whembly (c30c83)

  282. whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:06 pm

    Well said. But what you expressed, in not so much different in substance, but in degree. We both see the value of guardrails, but we can reasonably differ on their sturdiness or quality, their observance or circumvention. We can reasonably disagree on other points and still share common ground.

    felipe (023cc9)

  283. by example – of how far off the base Congress members could (and should) go to push his platform. That so many Republicans followed Trump’s lead, only reflects the weak character already in place, and just waiting for permission to indulge themselves.

    Thank you for this example, Dana, now I know what you meant.

    felipe (023cc9)

  284. felipe (023cc9) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:14 pm
    I don’t disagree there.

    But, I’m genuinely curious what “guardrail” Trump has broken or weakened that cannot be undone by the next President (or Congress!)?

    He hasn’t “Phone’ed and Pen’ed” obvious illegal policies like DAPA/DACA.

    His administration’s policies is probably the most litigated in recent history, so the the things he WANTS to push is going slow (see the Wall). Even there, he’s used EXISTING powers that were delegated by him from Congress to divert fundings to the wall. If Congress don’t like it, take it away from him (I wouldn’t have a problem with it).

    As for his foreign policy, you may disagree with the direction he’s going, but you really can’t argue that he’s not effective. (new trade, mid-east, Russia, China, NATO, etc…).

    So what “guardrails” are we discussing that some folks are worried that Trump is weakening?

    whembly (c30c83)

  285. Here’s where I’m coming from: I can separate the man from his policies/actions. I see too many conflating the two.

    whembly (c30c83)

  286. whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:12 pm

    My apologies, Whembly! I thought you were disagreeing with Dana’s sentiment. Now I understand that it was the sentiment expressed in the quotation that you rejected.

    In that case, Yes, I agree with you Trump’s power ends with his term(s). I generally ignore silly things like:

    “Donald Trump can ruin an entire country! And he has and will continue to do, in his reign of terror and incompetence.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  287. @271. Nice try.

    Watch all nine parts:

    Walter Cronkite | Television Academy Interviews

    https://interviews.televisionacademy.com/interviews/walter-cronkite

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  288. But, I’m genuinely curious what “guardrail” Trump has broken or weakened that cannot be undone by the next President (or Congress!)?

    That’s an excellent question! Because it may represent al most anything; a Constitutional check on POTUS, a legislated requirement, even traditional practice of predecessors.

    I would hazard a guess that invocation of “guardrail” means a general appeal to law and order by showing dissatisfaction with exhibited behavior.

    felipe (023cc9)

  289. But, I’m genuinely curious what “guardrail” Trump has broken or weakened that cannot be undone by the next President (or Congress!)?

    The collusion/obstruction/impeachment conduct proved that the president is above the law, and that partisans will insist he did nothing wrong long after it’s plain he is a traitor. This is a significant change. We’ve had crooks in office but never has one so badly gotten away with so much. the problem can only be fixed with a constitutional amendment, which given the times, could lead to massive undesirable changes. Trump is, simply, the greatest gift the left has ever received. Conservatives should have voted for Hillary for the reasons DCSCA voted for Trump.

    you may disagree with the direction he’s going,

    You mean the kurds, telling the Soviets before we bomb Syria in almost a pretend fashion, lying that our troops were attacked by Iran, moving troops away from where the Soviets don’t want them? Has Trump made progress with China, north Korea, Europe, Africa, the USA’s neighbors? Maybe there’s a deal for Israel and they did a convention speech from Israel but did they make any progress with Hamas or other actual bad guys?

    Trump can’t handle bad guys. He’s always mostly been a bad guy, and most bad guys do that because they are insecure about winning fair and square.

    Here’s where I’m coming from: I can separate the man from his policies/actions. I see too many conflating the two.

    whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:27 pm

    Trump’s spending and performance domestically makes Obama look like Barry Goldwater. Are you better off than you were three years ago? Is it easier to get a job these days? Do your kids have a safe place to live? All too often Trump fans deny Trump’s responsibility, insisting he’s just not capable of leading the nation, setting an example, working with local leaders, accomplishing a damn thing. I thought he promised to make “such great deals”. Of course he had no such capability, but he promised he did.

    I’m at a point where I’d even be willing to give the left a shot if they nominated someone who actually believed in their views. Biden and Harris are windsocks, but a Tulsi? This separation of character from office was a mistake in 2016. It really matters that Trump’s a scumbag.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  290. The collusion/obstruction/impeachment conduct proved that the president is above the law, and that partisans will insist he did nothing wrong long after it’s plain he is a traitor.

    Too bad this didn’t come up in the highly rated Dem Convention.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  291. I would argue that Trump is no more corrupt than the previous “most corrupt” POTUS, but rather appears that way, because more than any other POTUS, has shown everyone how the sausage is made in this country. It ain’t pretty!

    felipe (023cc9)

  292. Too bad this didn’t come up in the highly rated Dem Convention.
    BuDuh (40e985) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:40 pm

    Ouch! There had to be a reason, though. Maybe Don Lemon’s comment about the polls is an indicator?

    felipe (023cc9)

  293. Etc., Etc. Fox does the same with Republicans. Nothing has changed and nothing will as long as politicians have fame and power, and reporters care about that.

    Wrong.

    Much has changed.

    Chiefly the network news divisions back in the day- including CBS News- before cable news, were not profit centers for their respective companies. They could operate at a loss covering stories and producing documentaries under the guise of a ‘public service’ which would not be high ratings grabbers but report compelling stories which today would never make air. Paley famous quipped that the profits from I Love Lucy alone covered the entire annual budget for his CBS News division. The corporate restructuring transitioning news divisions into profit centers began as Cronkite retired and CNN went on the air.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  294. The reason it didn’t come up is because the Dems cannot defend their partisan hit job, felipe. They prefer that the whole ugly affair gets swept under the rug before their shenanigans come under more scrutiny. I can’t imagine a political machine like the DNC forgetting to mention that Biden’s opponent is an impeached traitor during their most watched event of the year. Maybe it will come up at the debates assuming Biden/Pelosi don’t cancel them.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  295. Not like there isnt evidence, felipe, but narrative wins out. The press as i. Pointed out with examples from the post and politico.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  296. Not caring about corruption in the ukraine,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  297. Trump handed out another pardon today to a convict who gave a speech for him at the convention.

    Not a problem at all, right Orange Team?

    Dave (1bb933)

  298. Too bad this didn’t come up in the highly rated Dem Convention.

    BuDuh (40e985) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:40 pm

    I only watched Joe Biden’s speech because DCSCA mentioned it over and over and I was curious if it was really that bad (it was not that bad, and indeed Trump believes it was so good Biden must have been on performance enhancing drugs). Biden mentioned Russian bounties and Trump’s refusal to do his job. I think Trump’s sick relationship with Putin therefore did come up in the convention. You’re claiming you are a good source on the DNC material but apparently you are not.

    I also watched Ann Dorn’s RNC speech and think everyone should, even though the part at the end where she vouches for Trump seems like a reach, she conveys something about Biden’s supporters who are definitely no more my friend than Trump is.

    This isn’t a game. I do not need Trump fans to tell me what the democrats brought up or not, to make my mind up that Trump is a traitor. I believe the worst elements of both parties are being supported by our nation’s enemies. Anyone knowingly taking part in that kind of thing, and trump begged for some of this help, is a traitor. Plain and simple.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  299. Trump has power because he heads a political party as POTUS.

    That influence ends when his term is over.

    Trump will still be around. I’ll bet that he gets a cable and/or radio gig, plus there is always Twitter. Trump’s economic and political populism is here to stay.

    The potential 2024 candidates at the convention (Pompeo, Cotton, Pence, Don Jr., and Haley) all owe their standing to President Trump, and will grovel (except Don Jr.) for his endorsement (and money). Tucker Carlson also is firm believer in Trumpism. Add Ron DeSantis.

    And finally if Trump loses this year he could run again 2024.

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  300. There’s a decent chance Dubya Bush pardoned his own drug dealer.

    beer ‘n pretzels (992ab6)

  301. and what do we do to traitors mr dustin

    Dave (1bb933)

  302. Dustin, I continue to think your comments are great and often cause me to think about things in a new way. Dana and patterico should invite you to guest post.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  303. @311-
    I second that and would add Gawain’s Ghost.

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  304. Tapped explored the pardon controversy, Dave:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gYC-7CyMQGI

    He learned that Trump is not a racist.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  305. Biden mentioned Russian bounties and Trump’s refusal to do his job.

    Sounds impeachable.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  306. Rip Murdock (09b1a9) — 8/28/2020 @ 4:14 pm

    Even Carter was not without influence.

    felipe (023cc9)

  307. and what do we do to traitors mr dustin

    Dave (1bb933) — 8/28/2020 @ 4:19 pm

    We vote for them apparently, because we are afraid. That fear comes largely from crazy conspiracy theorists on the internet, which we know are largely fed by Russians.

    There’s a decent chance Dubya Bush pardoned his own drug dealer.

    beer ‘n pretzels (992ab6) — 8/28/2020 @ 4:16 pm

    You don’t say. What a concerned conservative patriot you are to bring this important theory to us.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  308. Sounds impeachable.

    BuDuh (40e985) — 8/28/2020 @ 4:27 pm

    Indeed I was surprised how Biden brought up Trump’s deferential and collusive relationship with Russia. I’m not surprised trump fans are insisting I did not see or hear what I saw and heard, because that is the talking point they were fed and there is literally nothing that could change their minds.

    If they were open minded, they could not support Trump.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  309. How Trump Has Changed the Republicans

    Donald Trump ran in 2016 and swamped a sprawling Republican field of more conventional conservatives. In doing so, he didn’t merely win the nomination and embark on the road to the White House. He turned Republicans away from four decades of Reagan-style, national-greatness conservatism to a new gospel of populism and nationalism.
    …….
    Now, as Republicans prepare to nominate Mr. Trump for re-election at their truncated convention this week, there is simply no way to put Trumpism back into the bottle. If the president wins this fall (and even more so if he loses), the question that Republicans in general and conservatives in particular face is simple and stark: How to adapt their gospel so that it fits in the age of Trump?

    As it happens, a new and younger breed of conservatives has set out to do precisely that, often by stepping away from strict free-market philosophies. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida is pushing for what he calls a “common-good capitalism,” in which government policies promote not just economic growth but also provide help for families, workers and communities. Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri, a likely presidential aspirant, is calling for leaving the World Trade Organization and managing capital markets to control the inflow of foreign money into the U.S.
    ………
    ……… Oren Cass, a young conservative intellectual, recently launched a new think tank, American Compass, from which he advocates an “industrial policy” that gives specific government help to manufacturing firms—a concept long heretical in free-market circles.

    From many of these new-wave Republicans, the message is this: Conservatives faltered over time by becoming too enamored of their own ideology, too committed to globalization and free trade, and too indifferent to their effects on average working Americans. Looking past the Trump era, these conservatives argue, their movement needs to climb down from the ivory tower of hands-off economic theory and create a more practical conservatism that somehow embraces populism and nationalism, while seeking to retain core elements of free-market economics and Reagan’s “peace through strength” brand of internationalism.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  310. Tapped explored the pardon controversy, Dave:

    So, not a problem to hand out pardons in return for political favors.

    Got it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  311. too indifferent to their effects on average working Americans

    full employment, iPhones and 60-inch plasma tee-vees?

    Dave (1bb933)

  312. Quote that part of the interview, Dave.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  313. I’m not surprised trump fans are insisting I did not see or hear what I saw and heard, because that is the talking point they were fed and there is literally nothing that could change their minds.

    I think I missed something here. I am insisting that impeachment wasn’t brought up during the convention.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  314. The irony that was the most significant act of this congress, we could mention the relief bill, but would you.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  315. @300

    I would argue that Trump is no more corrupt than the previous “most corrupt” POTUS, but rather appears that way, because more than any other POTUS, has shown everyone how the sausage is made in this country. It ain’t pretty!

    felipe (023cc9) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:41 pm

    This.

    …and another useful thing Trump does is makes his opponent pine for “federalism”. Never thought I’d see Democrats advocate for “states rights”.

    whembly (c30c83)

  316. He learned that Trump is not a racist.

    BuDuh (40e985) — 8/28/2020 @ 4:26 pm

    Trump pardoned a reformed bank robber. That proves he is not racist.

    this is like Michael Scott’s idea of how to prove you’re not racist.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  317. Trump pardoned a reformed bank robber who gave him a political endorsement on tee-vee during an election campaign.

    Dave (1bb933)

  318. But then Trump has let countless drug addicts, drug dealers and career criminals out of jail early, at least one of whom has already committed murder.

    And why not? It’s not like *he* has to worry about getting mugged to pay for their next dose of meth or fentanyl.

    Dave (1bb933)

  319. Dustin, like Dave you clearly did not watch the video since you have no idea what the crime was.

    This lack of effort From both you and Dave does it not constitute an emergency on my part. But it does give me a good reason to give up on this thread. Dave complained about today’s pardon and I responded accordingly.

    BuDuh (40e985)

  320. @271. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpH_QtoqsGQ

    See minute 59:00: Cronkite referencing same interview w/JFK and JFKs try to re-do it — the bit about threatening to have CBS licenses yanked over questions about his Catholicism is most interesting as well.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  321. @298

    But, I’m genuinely curious what “guardrail” Trump has broken or weakened that cannot be undone by the next President (or Congress!)?

    The collusion/obstruction/impeachment conduct proved that the president is above the law, and that partisans will insist he did nothing wrong long after it’s plain he is a traitor. This is a significant change.

    Only if you ignore the facts of the case.

    Mueller found no collusion between Russia and Trump campaign. (Don Jr’s ill advised meeting at Trump Tower ain’t it bucko).

    The Senate Committee Intelligence report recently released found no collusion between Russia and Trump campaign (but the Democrats tried very hard and failed that the incidental contacts were YUGE DEALS!).

    The impeachment ordeal was purely partisan with no basis on reality.

    We’ve had crooks in office but never has one so badly gotten away with so much.

    lolwut? Were you asleep during the previous administration?

    the problem can only be fixed with a constitutional amendment, which given the times, could lead to massive undesirable changes.

    What do you mean by this? What constitution amendment are you advocating for? Did I miss something?

    Trump is, simply, the greatest gift the left has ever received. Conservatives should have voted for Hillary for the reasons DCSCA voted for Trump.

    No.

    Hillary would’ve been a disaster. Gimme Trump over Clinton all day long.

    you may disagree with the direction he’s going,

    You mean the kurds,

    This trope again? *psst* Kurds are doing fine.

    telling the Soviets before we bomb Syria in almost a pretend fashion,

    Not sure what you’re referring to…but, if Russian assets were in the region and we were going to bomb them (I’m assuming it’s Assad’s military airport?) you WANT to let them know that we’re going to do this so that they can get out of the way…unless you’re willing to escalate war with Russia?

    lying that our troops were attacked by Iran,

    Iran was trained and supplied IED for the insurgency in Iraq. Shame on you for covering them.

    moving troops away from where the Soviets don’t want them?

    Want more wars?

    Has Trump made progress with China

    Yes.

    , north Korea,

    Yes. Remember, NK was lobbing missiles near monthly during the Obama years. Their belligerence has largely been muted during Trump administration.

    Europe

    He pushed for NATO countries to abide by their contribution agreements.

    He allowed US to send lethal weaponry to Ukraine that the previous administration did NOT.

    , Africa,

    What’s going on in Africa?

    the USA’s neighbors?

    Yes. He got Mexico to man their borders.

    Remade NAFTA that’s more favorable to the US.

    These things are not nothing.

    Maybe there’s a deal for Israel and they did a convention speech from Israel but did they make any progress with Hamas or other actual bad guys?

    Literally just last week the UAE established diplomatic relations to Isreal. With other gulf-states following. That’s going to minimize the Hamas and other bad actors in the region…so, yes that’s progress.

    Trump can’t handle bad guys. He’s always mostly been a bad guy, and most bad guys do that because they are insecure about winning fair and square.

    Sure Jan…

    Here’s where I’m coming from: I can separate the man from his policies/actions. I see too many conflating the two.

    whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:27 pm

    Trump’s spending and performance domestically makes Obama look like Barry Goldwater.

    Yeah… first good point in this post. In fairness, Trump’s schtick was never to reduce government spending. Most of that fault lies with Congress if we’re all honest.

    Are you better off than you were three years ago?

    Yes.

    Is it easier to get a job these days?

    Yes.

    Do your kids have a safe place to live?

    Yes. Because I don’t live in a dominated Democrat city. 😉

    All too often Trump fans deny Trump’s responsibility, insisting he’s just not capable of leading the nation, setting an example, working with local leaders, accomplishing a damn thing. I thought he promised to make “such great deals”. Of course he had no such capability, but he promised he did.

    He’s accomplished quite a bit. But, you just don’t like the man.

    I get it… he’s not the kind of person you’d want at the Oval Office. Neither do I.

    But, I’m not going to deny that he hasn’t pushed policies that I support.

    See… I can separate the man from his policies.

    I’m a Pink Floyd fan… but I despise Roger Water’s politics. But, I’m an adult that I can separate the man from his work and enjoy his musics.

    I’m at a point where I’d even be willing to give the left a shot if they nominated someone who actually believed in their views.

    We’ve had 8 years of Obama… you want that again? A more leftwing tilt?

    Biden and Harris are windsocks, but a Tulsi? This separation of character from office was a mistake in 2016. It really matters that Trump’s a scumbag.

    Dustin (5418f4) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:39 pm

    No. The separation of character is what I should’ve applied in 2016. Ya see… I voted for Gary Johnson as I didn’t believe Trump would advance the agendas I’d prefer. I was wrong. I was really convinced he was just a NY Democrat who was able to wrest control away from the Republican party.

    I firmly believed that had Democrats haven’t lost their ever-loving mind, they could’ve woo’ed Trump to push more liberal/lefty policies and Trump wouldn’t be able to resist to garnering goodwill.

    However, much of Trump’s behavior is reactionary and he basically had no home to gravitate except for the Republican party/polices.

    …and oh, his Judges are pretty damned consequential that will have lasting impact for generations.

    whembly (c30c83)

  322. “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” – Joe Biden, 2007

    And that’s what he said about his boss. Imagine what he thinks about you.

    Sooner or later, he’ll tell you… ‘man.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  323. DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/28/2020 @ 5:31 pm’
    “You’re a damn liar, and that’s not true,” Biden snapped.

    “But look, fat, here’s the deal,” Biden exasperated.

    whembly (c30c83)

  324. One thinks they did want thought control, re the wall.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  325. Mueller found no collusion between Russia and Trump campaign.

    That’s not what the Mueller and recent Senate Intelligence Committee reports concluded, whembly.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  326. @333. And DCSCA says to JoeyBee:

    “That’s Mister Fat too you, plagiarist. Besides, c’mon, man, where’d you steal that line from- Donald Trump or a Hair Club For Men commercial?”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  327. Have your waffles montagu, youre not wirth convincing.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  328. Have your waffles montagu, youre not wirth convincing.

    Personal attack noted.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  329. Secret Service copes with coronavirus cases in aftermath of Trump appearances
    When President Trump gave a speech to a group of sheriffs in Tampa late last month, his decision to travel forced a large contingent of Secret Service agents to head to a state that was then battling one of the worst coronavirus surges in the nation.

    Even before Air Force One touched down on July 31, the fallout was apparent: Five Secret Service agents already on the ground had to be replaced after one tested positive for the coronavirus and the others working in proximity were presumed to be infected, according to people familiar with the situation.
    …….
    In the past two months, dozens of Secret Service agents who worked to ensure the security of the president and Vice President Pence at public events have been sickened or sidelined because they were in direct contact with infected people, according to multiple people familiar with the episodes, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the incidents.

    “Never before has the Secret Service run up against a president so intent on putting himself first regardless of the costs, including to those around him,” said Ned Price, a national security expert and former CIA analyst…….
    …….
    After the incident in Tampa in July, two agents who were assigned to stand guard at Trump’s private club in Bedminster, N.J., fell sick with coronavirus symptoms this month while the president golfed. It was his third trip there this summer. One law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions said agents on the president’s detail warned colleagues on the Bedminster trip not to share information about the illness because media coverage would anger the president.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  330. @336. Mueller never found his car keys, either. Too many old school party hack bureaucrats still around government. nk is right about flushing em’all and cleaning out the urinals.

    “Don’t eat the big white mint.” – Wade Garrett [Sam Elliott] ‘Road House’ 1989

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  331. He never found the anthrax mailer either,theres an interesting link i didny know about how hatfill had been put under scrutiny for three years he shut down the federal investigation into bcci, back around 92,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  332. Dustin (5418f4) — 8/28/2020 @ 5:07 pm

    LOL. I am still trying to recover from the way he proved he was not homophobic!

    felipe (023cc9)

  333. This was as legit as steeles band of drunking buddies

    https://mobile.twitter.com/luigi_warren/status/609343890529718272

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  334. Mueller never found his car keys, either.

    The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee came to similar conclusions (a good summary here). There wasn’t “no collusion”. There was evidence of a criminal conspiracy between Trump people and Putin people, but insufficient to conclude with confidence.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  335. Have your waffles montagu, youre not wirth convincing.

    Personal attack noted.
    Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/28/2020 @ 5:57 pm

    “youre not wirth convincing,” is an attack, sure. But “personal attack noted.” comment seems overly sensitive. “Noted” followed by a measured riposte would have been better (see felipe (023cc9) — 8/28/2020 @ 3:02 pm) in my opinion.

    felipe (023cc9)

  336. Richard burr is either a very stupid man, or a very unscrupulous one, the way warner has played him like a violin suggests the former.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  337. Top general says no role for military in presidential vote
    The U.S. armed forces will have no role in carrying out the election process or resolving a disputed vote, the top U.S. military officer told Congress in comments released Friday.

    The comments from Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, underscore the extraordinary political environment in America, where the president has declared without evidence that the expected surge in mail-in ballots will make the vote “inaccurate and fraudulent,” and has suggested he might not accept the election results if he loses.

    ……..Some have speculated that the military might be called upon to get involved, either by Trump trying to use it to help his reelection prospects or as, Democratic challenger Joe Biden has suggested, to remove Trump from the White House if he refuses to accept defeat. The military has adamantly sought to tamp down that speculation and is zealously protective of its historically nonpartisan nature.

    “I believe deeply in the principle of an apolitical U.S. military,” Milley said in written responses to several questions posed by two Democratic members of the House Armed Services Committee. “In the event of a dispute over some aspect of the elections, by law U.S. courts and the U.S. Congress are required to resolve any disputes, not the U.S. military. I foresee no role for the U.S armed forces in this process.”
    ……..
    Milley, known to be a student of military and constitutional history, anchored many of his responses in the nation’s founding document. Asked if the military would refuse an order from the president if he was attempting to use military action for political gain rather than national security, Milley said, “I will not follow an unlawful order.”
    ………
    The speculation about the military getting drawn into the election is fueled by Trump’s inclination to use the military as partisan props. He raised alarms — and met resistance from the Pentagon — when he threatened to use the Insurrection Act to use troops for law enforcement during the protests after George Floyd’s death. Defense Secretary Mark Esper publicly said he opposed such a move —- a stand that enraged Trump and nearly cost Esper his job.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  338. Are we in demoralization, thats what nearly 20 years of expeditionary forces , without resolution have yielded, destabilization seems to be where we are where key institutions like intelligence judicial bodies seem inert to the insurgency, and make no mistake this is what thousand currents propaganda and extortion scheme are about

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  339. Is this such a crazy speculation, not if you see the last six months the flatline served to shut down most public life in america with few health advantages, this caused economic and social turmoil that foxx krasner et al did releasing large numbers of offenders then came the convenient spark, arbery was a dry match.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  340. But “personal attack noted.” comment seems overly sensitive.

    Griz’s words–“youre not wirth convincing”–were directed at the person, not the comment, felipe, which makes it personal. Patterico’s own commenting rules say this:

    Personal attacks on commenters (or me) are out. Criticizing the arguments is fine. Criticizing the person is not.

    Mr. Griz explicitly chose to not criticize my argument because I’m not worth it. There’s nothing “sensitive” about calling that out and, quite frankly, you should be taking him to task, not me, assuming that you’re truly interested in seeking higher-level discourse.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  341. So minneapolis was a better venue for a host of reasons like that apelbaum has pointed on, portland and seattle were the other axes, ngo has risked a great deal to describe the threat but twitter has tried to minimize if not endanger his life.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  342. you should be taking him to task, not me, assuming that you’re truly interested in seeking higher-level discourse.
    Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/28/2020 @ 6:55 pm

    This is another example of seeming over-sensitive. I am not taking you to task instead of Mr. Griz. I offered you some advice because I sympathize with you. Your response will make me think better of it, next time.

    felipe (023cc9)

  343. You can think what you like, felipe, but my advice is to offer yours to the offender, not the offendee.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  344. Sounds like you are personally attacking “Griz” because his “worth” rating system isn’t identical to yours, Paul. For consistency sake you should also call out felipe for his system of evaluating how sensitive someone else appears.

    If I go to by a car that the owner says is worth $10,000 and I say it is worth $8,000 should the owner simply not sell it to me or should he lodge a complaint with the DMV?

    Now, nothing personal, but you really aren’t worth my time. I just wanted to point out the obvious. I will try to ignore you again but I may comment on any of your responses that start with “um.”

    BuDuh (776371)

  345. So if you neutralize the top ranks of the command structure against their goal to protect against all ‘enemies foreign and domestic’ we see what has resulted, hundreds of law enforcement. Thousands wounded tens of billions of damages, this is the nature of asymmetrical warfare, what russian spy peter debbins lectured at the iwp, curiously his arrest has gotten little notice.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  346. The impeachment ordeal was purely partisan with no basis on reality.

    LOL

    The President of the United States was caught in the act of personally using foreign aid to bribe a foreign government leader into working with his private attorney to influence the election in his favor by ratf*cking his opponent with a completely unpredicated criminal investigation carefully designed to evade every procedural safeguard and leave no paper trail.

    Dave (1bb933)

  347. The President of the United States was caught in the act of personally using foreign aid to bribe a foreign government leader into working with his private attorney to influence the election in his favor by ratf*cking his opponent with a completely unpredicated criminal investigation carefully designed to evade every procedural safeguard and leave no paper trail.

    Filed under “things Dem leadership don’t care about during an election to replace Trump”

    Curious.

    BuDuh (776371)

  348. Sounds like you are personally attacking “Griz” because his “worth” rating system isn’t identical to yours, Paul.

    Nice effort, trying to twist this back on me, BuDuh, and then making your own personal attack with “you really aren’t worth my time”. Despite saying “nothing personal”, you made it personal.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  349. Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/28/2020 @ 7:05 pm

    Noted. I chose poorly, indeed.

    felipe (023cc9)

  350. RIP Chadwick Bozeman (43)

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9)

  351. It is my time and how I choose to spend it, Paul. (I felt you were worth that explanation because you are having trouble understanding the equation.)

    BuDuh (776371)

  352. Man thats a shock, i gues they will have to recast the films, or not,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  353. Dustin, like Dave you clearly did not watch the video

    i watched Ann Dorn’s speech but I haven’t watched any of the GOP convention. I’m doing my part to keep ratings low I guess.

    I do not care what the specifics of some pardon are. I care that Trump withheld justice until he could have a little stunt at his convention, that this pardon was in service to Trump, not justice itself. If it makes you feel better I also don’t have time for the dem convention. I’m equal opportunity that way.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  354. Rip Murdock (09b1a9) — 8/28/2020 @ 7:30 pm

    No! What a loss. Shame on me for not even realizing he was battling Cancer. I thought he was wonderful in all his performances, especially as James Brown. I will always wonder at what we might have seen from him.

    felipe (023cc9)

  355. Oh, I know exactly what your “equation” is, BuDuh, but thanks again for making it personal with “you are having trouble understanding”. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for awhile that you were commenting in good faith, but alas, hopes get dashed.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  356. It is the video at 4:26 PM should you change your mind. That is the person who was pardoned today.

    Have a good night, Dustin. BTW, we disagree a lot and my first comments here were hit pretty hard by you. I just want to say that despite how things started I do enjoy our more recent dialogues. Thank you.

    BuDuh (776371)

  357. Please report me to management for a ruling, Paul.

    BuDuh (776371)

  358. Filed under “things Dem leadership don’t care about during an election to replace Trump”

    Just guessing, but they may have decided that Trump’s malfeasance and abdication of responsibility during the pandemic, which have snuffed out or shattered the lives of untold millions of Americans, are more compelling and easier for people to relate to.

    Dave (1bb933)

  359. I wish you the best buduh. I don’t take any of this stuff personally and I hope you don’t either. it’s just politics.

    I can’t stand politics yet I’m also interested in it. It can make dialogue seem pretty rigid. I’m ready for something good to happen for my country.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  360. RIP Chadwick Bozeman (43)

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9) — 8/28/2020 @ 7:30 pm

    Wow.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  361. I strongly suspect Cory Gardner, Martha McSally, Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham and various other Trump whitewashers will be hearing plenty about impeachment in the weeks ahead.

    Dave (1bb933)

  362. Lindsey Graham represents all that is wrong with DC. I hope we can all at least agree on that.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  363. @373

    RIP Chadwick Bozeman (43)

    Rip Murdock (09b1a9) — 8/28/2020 @ 7:30 pm

    Wow.

    Dustin (5418f4) — 8/28/2020 @ 7:50 pm

    Yeah… that tragic.

    I looooved him in 21 Bridges and Marvel.

    My dad succumbed to cancer.

    I know all of us agrees when I say “F*ck cancer!”.

    whembly (c30c83)

  364. Wade wilson couldnt say it better, btw covility reigns on that score when it came to kayleigh.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  365. Lindsey Graham represents all that is wrong with DC. I hope we can all at least agree on that.

    Eh, the 2015 version of Graham knew what time it was:

    SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: I want to talk to the Trump supporters for a minute. I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you like about this. I think what you like is he appears to be strong, when the rest of us are weak. He’s a very successful businessman and he’s going to make everything great. He’s going to take all the problems of the world and put them in a box and make your life better. That’s what he’s selling.

    Here’s what you’re buying: He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. He doesn’t represent my party. He doesn’t represent the values that the men and women that wear the uniform are fighting for.

    He ended the speech by saying “You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell!”

    We could’ve used a guy like that in the Republican party these last four years.

    Dave (1bb933)

  366. @336

    Mueller found no collusion between Russia and Trump campaign.

    That’s not what the Mueller and recent Senate Intelligence Committee reports concluded, whembly.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e) — 8/28/2020 @ 5:48 pm

    If you use the same standards that Democrat used to claim that Justice Kavanuagh is a rapist or that Convington kid was racist…then yes, there’s nefarious collusions to be found between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

    However, back in the real world where we respect objective facts without any partisan dipsh!ttery or suffering from Orange Man Badz syndrome, there’s no evidence that indicates that there were active collusions between Trump campaign and Russia to tilt the 2016 election to Trump’s favor. None whatsoever.

    The Russian Collusion is on the same scale as the Obama Birtherism… only worst in that the Obama administration spied on an incoming administration on a flimsy pretext in order to politically harm the incoming administration.

    One of the greatest thing about our form of governance is that every 4 or 8 years, there’s a peaceful transition of Article II power from one administration to the next. Obama and his flunkies deserves all the scorn for trashing this aspect.

    whembly (c30c83)

  367. Meanwhile a real russian spy with soecial forces and cbw training and top secret clearances of course was allowed to saunter through the govt for a dozen years. An agent for china for nearly twenry years, and thats just with the bureau.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  368. Our intelligence community is a pitiful joke, that dwayne johnson vehicle was too charitable, maybe the one with melissa mccarthy was closer.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  369. Who appoints the leadership of the intelligence agencies, Narciso?

    Who, constitutionally, has ultimate authority over them?

    Dave (1bb933)

  370. suffering from Orange Man Badz syndrome,

    I mean, guilty as charged. I think he’s very bad. So do a lot of his own family and members of his own administration who have attempted to warn us. so have a lot of prominent members of his own political party. We’ve never seen such convincing verification of a man’s poor character, really ever in history.

    Does that mean Biden is our hero? Unfortunately no.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  371. Yes representing a cia asset as a russian spy, lying so blatantly about a three star general, covering up the looting of a bank that involved billions of our tax dollars, i think those are serious offenses, but weissman strzok atkinson tovanovich are reward for their subversion and malfeasance

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  372. However, back in the real world where we respect objective facts without any partisan dipsh!ttery or suffering from Orange Man Badz syndrome, there’s no evidence that indicates that there were active collusions between Trump campaign and Russia to tilt the 2016 election to Trump’s favor. None whatsoever.

    To: Donald Trump Jr

    Good morning

    Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

    The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

    This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

    What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

    I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

    From: Donald Trump Jr

    Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

    Dave (1bb933)

  373. @379 What the Mueller report reported was that the Trump campaign had attempted to collude with the Russians, but prosecuting would be very difficult because they couldn’t put a monetary value on a failed exchange.

    I find it amazing that, generally speaking, the people on this blog who do not like trump can give specific, significant, and substantive reasons why they do not like and do not intend to vote for trump and some of the people on this blog insist on reducing that to duuuur, biaaaaas idiot say orange man bad.

    Nic (896fdf)

  374. Yes representing a cia asset as a russian spy

    Aldrich Ames was unavailable for comment.

    Dave (1bb933)

  375. @383

    suffering from Orange Man Badz syndrome,

    I mean, guilty as charged. I think he’s very bad. So do a lot of his own family and members of his own administration who have attempted to warn us. so have a lot of prominent members of his own political party. We’ve never seen such convincing verification of a man’s poor character, really ever in history.

    Does that mean Biden is our hero? Unfortunately no.

    Dustin (5418f4) — 8/28/2020 @ 8:21 pm

    I have no qualms for anyone refusing to vote for Trump on his character issues alone.

    Just be willing to accept that the cost of this election will be far-left radical agendas that we’ll spend years dealing with.

    Me personally… it seems shocking to me that folks believe that Joe Biden would be better in the Whitehouse who I know…that we know…he won’t be able to stand up to his own party’s radical agenda. Who’s days are numbered such that Kamala Harris would be the next President if the 25th amendment is invoked or if he steps down/dies early in his term.

    The moral of the story? We voters must do a better job during our party’s primary in electing better candidates. The General Election is too late to make that fight…by that point it’s pragmatically a binary choice.

    whembly (c30c83)

  376. But weve judges and company operatives deny one of their top logistics persons, edwin wilson worked at their direction, while he wasted away for 20 years, so by that standard, meanwhile we seem to have had multiple leaks to chinese intelligence over the last decade, through various agencies.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  377. @385 Dumb political mistake? Yes.

    Gutter politics? Yes.

    Did something come out of that? No.

    Is it prima facie proving collusion… NO.

    whembly (c30c83)

  378. In the Cold war when it mattered, strobe talbott was lipsynching the kgbs mindset, sid blumenthal was using the insights of another kgb think tank, leon panetta was another useful idiot in that period, co sidering his part in uranium one matter, maybe it didnt end in the 80s

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  379. Anthony lake was another who useful idiot along with mort halperin, who would go on to cofound the center for american progress, these people come up like bad pennies all the time. William perry was in partnership with costind, in private life, thats chinas darpa.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  380. “Oh that detail”

    Andy Ngo is lying again. There’s no way any governmental agency acts that quickly.

    Davethulhu (1caa35)

  381. Just be willing to accept that the cost of this election will be far-left radical agendas that we’ll spend years dealing with.

    That was “the cost” of the 2016 GOP nomination process.

    Now repayable with interest.

    Dave (1bb933)

  382. What the Mueller report reported was that the Trump campaign had attempted to collude with the Russians, but prosecuting would be very difficult because they couldn’t put a monetary value on a failed exchange.

    Ah ok, so neither a prosecution nor a guilty plea. Got it.

    So the accusation here is more of a Tara Reade nature than a Kevin Clinesmith.

    beer ‘n pretzels (3456e8)

  383. That was “the cost” of the 2016 GOP nomination process.

    Now repayable with interest.

    Dave (1bb933) — 8/28/2020 @ 9:04 pm

    Exactly. just read the comments here in 2016. Same folks who just state it plain today were saying this then. Trump was not going to be capable of keeping these promises. Sure, no one else was promising as much, but Trump wasn’t going to get us anywhere, and in fact he’s so corrupt and scandalous that he’s surely going to move the overton window to the left. 2016 was a golden opportunity ruined by a golden shower.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  384. That was “the cost” of the 2016 GOP nomination process.

    Gorsuch and Kavanaugh instead of Garland was sure a bitter pill for “true conservatives” to swallow.

    beer ‘n pretzels (3456e8)

  385. The moral of the story? We voters must do a better job during our party’s primary in electing better candidates. The General Election is too late to make that fight…by that point it’s pragmatically a binary choice.

    whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 8:33 pm

    I almost agree, but the voters are denied any ability to have a sane and fair primary. It’s a mess of weirdo election practices in a stupid order. Everything is intentionally screwy.

    the solution is an orderly primary process. Divide the nation into three regions and just have three primaries, one a week. Then have a national runoff primary. With a runoff, if a nutcase wins and the 29 sane candidates split the sane vote, the sane folks have a fighting chance. If it’s truly a rejection of the status quo, a runoff is also a good method.

    Good luck though, since elections are a statewide issue, but primary reform is a big solution.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  386. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh instead of Garland was sure a bitter pill for “true conservatives” to swallow.

    beer ‘n pretzels (3456e8) — 8/28/2020 @ 9:15 pm

    granted that’s a big deal and Trump delivered on that one thing. That was Cruz’s price for bending the knee at the end. Cruz was not invited to the GOP convention this year, which I find kinda amusing.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  387. Of course they cant neiwert of course is a professional defamer of the right, fro the tea party days

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  388. @396 I am sure, then that you agree with the following statement: Everything the Obama administration and everyone in the Obama administration ever did was entirely clean, legal and involved no skulduggery. In fact, given the dearth of prosecutions and guilty pleas it was the cleanest and most legal administration in decades. There is no cause to complain of the legality of anything the Obama administration did or might have left undone.

    Nic (896fdf)

  389. The left had a tantrum in 2000 and 2004, w treated it like it was a trifle and they ended his presidency. In 2008 they has secured enough secretaries of atate to swing the election by 2012 they used the force of the state to crush the tea party in 2016, they still had a temper tantrum because their cozy deal with the press had been exposed, before that they loved julian assange however many agencies and programs he could compromise, but you get in their business

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  390. No, the contrary, seriously you are new at this. Obama compromised every agency and institution he touched but the bureaucracy went along and the press served as an echo.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  391. @403 IDK if you are aware, but the presidency is term-limited to 2 terms. The man elected president in 2000 and 2004, George W Bush, filled out his 2 full terms. It ended at the appropriate legal endpoint for a full 2 term presidency, nobody ended it before the end of the 2nd full term. It might be a good idea for you to stop reading 8chan.

    @404 no, no, the only standard for wrongdoing is prosecution and guilty pleas. Therefor the Obama administration was totally clean in a squeaky-like manner.

    Nic (896fdf)

  392. He had a humiliating loss, in part because he didnt defend the programs and personel he engaged in, the plame matter was much of the same game as the flynn witchhunt run by the same players they just changed their face cards.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  393. I am sure, then that you agree with the following statement

    Umm, no. Nice try, though. Clinesmith, FISA abuse — and give Durham the two years that Mueller had. On top of that, the IRS scandal was broomed.

    If the Trump administration currently has an intelligence investigation active against the Biden campaign, I’m sure then you’d agree that would be totally above board.

    And, if we could redo the Obama years with an entrenched bureaucracy dedicated in berzerker fashion to undermining it, who knows what would’ve been uncovered.

    beer ‘n pretzels (992ab6)

  394. I strongly suspect Cory Gardner, Martha McSally, Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham and various other Trump whitewashers will be hearing plenty about impeachment in the weeks ahead.

    Clearly you have no idea what the “party” thing in party politics is all about. I hope you never work for an organization with a dipsh1t boss, since your idea of how to succeed there is to call out the boss at every opportunity.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  395. One can go back to mark felt to point out high echelon officials who undermined republican presidents, ironically his actions would help undermine his beloved bureau, put him in legal jeopardy. And in a round about way lead to the election of obama.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  396. He thinks impeachment is still a thing, but we switched his regular coffee with folgers crystals.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  397. 243.

    Rip, Harris actually asked for the protest movement to keep it up, fully aware of who that includes and what that includes. Democrats blaming the conduct of democrats on Trump while noting that the president is not directly in control of local policies is really deceptive in my opinion.

    I don’t like Trump at all, but if Biden wanted my vote he really should address this like a leader, and not like he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth. Politicians with experience usually do talk out of both sides of their mouths, trying to please everyone, and isn’t that why Trump had a chance at winning in the first place?

    Trump did make the pandemic worse here. He would similarly screw up the next big crisis we can’t anticipate. Maybe Biden’s team of Obama advisors would do better (I think they would). I have no hope the GOP ever gets better (if I did, a biden win would actually hasten it).

    Screw them all.
    Dustin (5418f4) — 8/28/2020 @ 12:51 pm

    Thread. The Democratic Party is deeply split on the issues raised by the riots, and it would be a mistake to paper over the split and present the party as all one way or all the other.

    (That thread is only tangentially responsive to your criticism of Biden, and hardly if at all exculpatory, but I think it provides some context.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  398. Interesting thread, Lurker, including a lot of the people discussing it with Walter. I agree it’s split, and I think on some level, some of Bernie’s supporters are not that upset if Trump wins. They recognize the really aggressive tactics help Trump but they feel self-righteous and aren’t going to change their ways too much. I know more of these guys than I care to and a lot of them don’t work, yet manage to make ends meet for extremely long periods of time, and they feel absurdly entitled to every consequence of their choices being put on those who work. They seem antagonistic towards workers, even. It bothers be because some of these folks have tremendous student debt and this is the main reason they were Bernie supporters.

    Biden choosing Harris probably cost him my vote. I go back and forth on this because my dislike of Trump is so deep.

    If you take Biden at face value, he’s disowned the ‘bad’ rioting and promoted the cause of making things better. But he has done this in what I consider a weasel way, and Harris has actually promoted what I consider the bad stuff. Actions speak louder than words.

    Plenty of democrats have all kinds of traditional values, and plenty of democrats in places like East Austin or other urban areas really want a very effective police force that they see in their communities.

    It is time for democrats to get loud and proud of what they believe in, becuase you’re probably right that if Biden really told us what he thinks, it isn’t that bad. We all think masked creeps screaming at people, demanding other voices shut up, they are no friend of a safe black neighborhood.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  399. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/kelley-paul-the-most-harrowing-night-of-my-life

    Thursday night felt like being in a terrifying dystopian novel. The mob swarmed me and my husband, Sen. Rand Paul, in a tight circle, screaming expletives, threats, and shouting, “Say her name.” We rushed up to two police officers, and I believe that is the only thing that kept us from being knocked to the ground. Even pressed against the officers, we were greatly outnumbered.

    As the mob grew and became more threatening, we literally could not move, and neither could the two officers for several minutes. The rioters were inches from us, screaming in our faces.

    That was the worst part. At first, I attempted to meet the eyes of one of the protesters and tried to explain that Rand authored the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act, but it seemed to just infuriate them more, as they called me a “bitch” and “racist wh—” alongside an endless torrent of “f— yous.”

    Mobs are terrifying. They looked at us with no humanity — just a vicious and righteous zeal. After that, I just kept my eyes down and prayed. All I could think of was the driver who was pulled from his car, viciously kicked in the head and left lying in his own blood in Portland, Oregon, last week.

    Now the Associated Press is reporting that Rand used the word “attack” to describe our ordeal “without evidence.” This is disgusting and utter proof of their bias.

    When you are surrounded by throngs of people screaming in your face and preventing you from getting away, that is an attack.

    Do you support civilization or do you support anarchy? Choose wisely.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  400. And here’s a Popehat thread which, while I don’t endorse every jot and tittle of it, comes pretty close to expressing my own views.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  401. They have been making excuses for these terrorists since the j 20 riots, jose frliciano could see that. When campusese were rendered unsafe for shapiro and milo, after alexandria, they have given more signals than nascar, they have always been on the side of those who would abolish this country

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  402. @407 To quote you at 396 “Ah ok, so neither a prosecution nor a guilty plea. Got it.”

    Nic (896fdf)

  403. To quote you at 396 “Ah ok, so neither a prosecution nor a guilty plea. Got it.”

    Someone remind Nic who Clinesmith is. I can’t get through.

    beer ‘n pretzels (0f2314)

  404. Do you support civilization or do you support anarchy? Choose wisely.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/28/2020 @ 10:30 pm

    Trump thinks George W Bush was the worst president in American history. Plenty of his supporters buy into this.

    “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.” Steve Bannon

    Take just the comments about postponing the election and the way the postal service has been treated. Take the way that makes our communities change, how that influences your dichotomy, civilization or anarchy.

    How do I choose wisely? It’s like reading a zodiak killer letter working out who is responsible for what, and who supports what. Both candidates claim they want an ethical, fully funded police department, both claim they want to defend our nation’s interests, both have made choices that seem to run against community safety. Trump said he’d balance the budget and then spent 100 kajillion dollars per hour, said he’d never return to his resorts and he lives there, pandemic shandemic.

    It is a fun outlet for me to bash the politicians but I don’t think I’ve ever deliberated how to vote as much as I have this year. It’s Biden vs leaving that vote blank though. I’m definitely a never trumper.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  405. If youre going to be obtuse about it

    https://youtu.be/Y9TviIuXPSE

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  406. @417 Count the prosecutions and guilty pleas of people surrounding Trump and the ones around people surrounding Obama. Then think about whether you want to use prosecutions and guilty pleas for how clean an administration might be. There’s a website out there that compares administrations by people convicted from those administrations. Obama compares really really well. So if we are only using prosecutions and guilty please to judge how clean an administration is, by your own standard…

    Nic (896fdf)

  407. 412.

    I know more of these guys than I care to and a lot of them don’t work, yet manage to make ends meet for extremely long periods of time, and they feel absurdly entitled to every consequence of their choices being put on those who work. They seem antagonistic towards workers, even. It bothers be because some of these folks have tremendous student debt and this is the main reason they were Bernie supporters.

    ditto

    If you take Biden at face value, he’s disowned the ‘bad’ rioting and promoted the cause of making things better. But he has done this in what I consider a weasel way, and Harris has actually promoted what I consider the bad stuff. Actions speak louder than words.

    Plenty of democrats have all kinds of traditional values, and plenty of democrats in places like East Austin or other urban areas really want a very effective police force that they see in their communities.

    It is time for democrats to get loud and proud of what they believe in, becuase you’re probably right that if Biden really told us what he thinks, it isn’t that bad. We all think masked creeps screaming at people, demanding other voices shut up, they are no friend of a safe black neighborhood.

    Considering how corrosive Trump is to everything I value about this country, it takes a lot for me not to join any party that tries to dislodge him. But the unavoidable reality is, Democrats are the most craven panderers to a faction of sanctimonious, self-impressed authoritarians I’ve ever seen. Or so I thought until the Republicans put their own even more sanctimonious, self-impressed authoritarian into the White House, then locked arms in a four year display of collective amnesia to defend his every lie, treachery, and corrupt abuse of power in violation of every principle they previously swore by.

    So no, I’m not about to join the Democratic Party and in so doing sign onto pandering of its lawless authoritarian factions. But for me the choice of making common cause with them to rescue our democracy from the party that sold itself hook, line and sinker, to an even more despicable, more lawless, more authoritarian demagogue, is easy. Of course I understand YMMV.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  408. Nic,

    Let me know when the FBI allows Trump’s team to trash evidence, destroy their phones, then grant them blanket immunity. I’ll be waiting.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  409. Count the prosecutions and guilty pleas of people surrounding Trump and the ones around people surrounding Obama.

    Yes Nic, go ahead. You’ll then successfully counter a point that nobody made in this thread. Congrats.

    beer ‘n pretzels (8482e2)

  410. Lurker you sound so concerned. You aren’t a Democrat, you just align with them to save the nation. How wonderful of you.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  411. @422 Pft, FBI, pikers. The DOJ does Trump’s fixing for him.

    @423 Not my fault you choose not to see the point I was trying to make.

    Nic (896fdf)

  412. 424.

    Rob, if insinuating bad faith by anyone who calls attention to your abandonment of principles helps you sleep at night, by all means go with that.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  413. Do you support civilization or do you support anarchy? Choose wisely.

    Civilization is not well guarded by a president who tells his subordinates to violate the law and then he’ll pardon them,
    and who wants the spikes on the border wall to be really sharp so they’ll do a lot of damage to human flesh,
    and who says the citizens of a particular state should not get disaster aid because their governor doesn’t like him,
    and who didn’t want a national policy to manage a pandemic when he thought it was only affecting states where he didn’t get a majority of votes,
    and who is declaring that an election he loses must be considered illegitimate,
    and who openly measures right and wrong in terms of whether it benefits himself.

    I’ve never seen another president who is held in such low regard by so many people who have seen how he operates up close.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  414. Just saw another Popehat tweet that summarizes my support for Biden/Harris:

    “I’m not looking forward to getting the clap. But I don’t want cancer.”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  415. I hope you never work for an organization with a dipsh1t boss, since your idea of how to succeed there is to call out the boss at every opportunity.

    Members of Congress and the Senate – of any party – don’t work for Donald Trump. They work for us. And they swear an to defend the Constitution, not any man-child. It begins:

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same“

    Our system of government is founded on the expectation that members of each branch will keep the others in check if they behave destructively.

    There are 253 elected Republicans in Washington. And 252 of them are in grave violation of their oaths.

    Dave (1bb933)

  416. Someone remind Nic who Clinesmith is.

    OK.

    Kevin Clinesmith was an FBI lawyer who, in his capacity as an official of the Trump administration, committed a crime in June 2017 and later plead guilty to it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  417. Montagu must be taking over nk’s hall monitor duties.
    Citizens arrest – Citizens arrest
    some of you people sure can dish out the goods
    taking it is another issue
    just like a democrat.

    mg (8cbc69)

  418. the doj couldn’t indict a ham sammich unless it was me

    mg (8cbc69)

  419. Dustin, I think Biden’s response has been weak. But not weaselly. His message has been consistent.
    -Empathy for people who have been hurt and empathy for their families.
    -Support for people’s right to protest.
    -Support for police reform.
    -Clear condemnation of violence and destruction of property
    -Clear statement that violence & Destruction of property aren’t part of the right to protest.
    That seems to me to be a justifiable position.

    He hasn’t made excuses for violence and destruction of property. He hasn’t equivocated about it or minimized what people have done. He hasn’t expressed sympathy or understanding for people that have committed violence. He has drawn a bright line between protesters and rioters which is I think what you have to do. But he’s been weak about it.
    What he hasn’t done is lay out how HE wants to do police reform.
    He also hasn’t been at all passionate about any part of this other then the empathy for people who have been hurt.
    He hasn’t put any of his political capital at work trying to bring calm or push the people protesting to also draw that bright line between legitimate protest and rioting. I think *someone* needs to do exactly that and it’s past time for Biden to step up. But I don’t see it as weaselly, I see it as weak.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  420. 431.

    some of you people sure can dish out the goods
    taking it is another issue
    just like a democrat.
    mg (8cbc69) — 8/29/2020 @ 1:31 am

    This generalization could have been asserted with a straight face until the asserter’s party became the personality cult of a thin-skinned crybaby whose incessant whining makes Fran Drescher sound like Winston Churchill.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  421. Go ahead and join blm – vote Democrat and abort more babies

    mg (8cbc69)

  422. Trump is a follower, not a leader. He looks where the water is flowing and puts his bucket at the end of the stream. With Covid-19, he sees that the people are doing their best to live their lives normally, under a new normality, and he apes them.

    Which, BTW, is how babies learn and develop. In-between crying, eating, and soiling their diapers.

    nk (1d9030)

  423. seeing how corporate american, media schools have knuckled under to thousand currents extortion scheme, how they hold idiot mayor wheelers, frey, wilhelm, who is ever is the idiot in madison, well monkey see monkey do,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  424. If you use the same standards that Democrat used to claim that Justice Kavanuagh is a rapist or that Convington kid was racist…then yes, there’s nefarious collusions to be found between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

    No, I don’t have to use those “same standards”, whembly. Ms. Blasey-Ford statements with no evidence, for example. It was all on her word.
    The Mueller report did not establish a criminal conspiracy between Putin people and Trump people, where “did not establish” has a specific meaning.

    The report describes actions and events that the Special Counsel’s Office found to be supported by the evidence collected in our investigation. In some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event. In other instances, when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.

    The Senate Intelligence Committee (with Republican stamp of approval) only reinforced the Mueller report conclusions. Had there been no evidence, the report would have so stated. It didn’t.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  425. Please report me to management for a ruling, Paul.

    No. I’ll just call you out.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  426. taking it is another issue
    just like a democrat.

    We agree, mg. Trump is really a Democrat. And some self-proclaimed conservatives don’t like it when other conservatives call them out. Funny that.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  427. Why didn’t the mother-figures say this six days ago? https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-police-union-gives-its-account-of-jacob-blake-shooting

    I’ve always suspected, and now I’m sure, the Kenosha police union and the Kenosha police brass were responsible for the riots. The officers on the scene clammed-up and lawyered-up, their bosses reached for another donut, and the politicos and race hustlers were free to promote their version of things uncontradicted. Just like in Ferguson.

    The Kenosha PD should have Kalkinesed the cops: “Tell us what happened. Nothing you say here will be used in a criminal prosecution. If you don’t tell us, right now, you’re fired, right now.”

    nk (1d9030)

  428. 441.

    1. I generally consider a police union report about as credible as a victim’s attorney’s, i.e., presumptively biased, more credible than Donald Trump, but not credible enough that I’d want anyone’s life, liberty or job hanging on it. This report, however, may have been buttressed, IIRC, by a contemporaneous account of a cop yelling “drop the knife.” (Was that account from a civilian eye witness or a cop? I don’t remember.)

    2. Assuming the victim did have a knife, I don’t know and won’t speculate without familiarity with Wisconsin law how far that gets you to justification for shooting in the back. I’d feel better about a reasonable belief Blake was reaching for a gun, but again, I ascribe no legal significance to that feeling.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  429. This guy is a little obsessive about squirrels, but I’m envious of his tools.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  430. Heh!

    nk (1d9030)

  431. America, America!

    nk (1d9030)


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