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7/15/2020

Joe Biden’s New Campaign Ad Airing In…Texas

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:37 pm



[guest post by Dana]

This spot is titled “Tough”:

The ad itself is good. It’s a marriage of hope and comfort during a difficult time. It’s what Americans want to hear from a president. It’s not high-tech ad with a thumping soundtrack and dramatic WWF-type narration. Rather it’s simple story everyone can relate to at some level as it focuses on the Covid concerns of Americans. The ad is well timed, the pacing is good, and the montage of images tugs at the heartstrings. But what I think really seals the deal is Biden’s compassionate narration. He’s telling a relatable story and he’s offering support and compassion. I can see the ad being viewed as a point of sanity and relief in the midst of Trump and his chaotic response to the pandemic. It’s also not hard to see this drawing in both undecided voters and voters who wouldn’t normally consider a Democratic candidate but are looking for someone with a basic knowledge of policy and procedure, White House experience, and frankly, maybe just longing for normalcy again.

Anyway, Biden is definitely branching out, as his campaign announced. It makes political sense:

This new TV spot is part of a four-state ad buy the Biden campaign announced Tuesday that also includes Arizona, North Carolina and Florida. In recent weeks, coronavirus cases have soared across the Sun Belt, with both Florida and Texas reporting record daily case numbers.

The campaign also intends to release digital videos of Biden calling families in those four states. And it plans to air Spanish language-captioned versions of the ad in Arizona, Florida and Texas on YouTube, Facebook and Univision.

As Dustin mentioned, the Houston Chronicle published a 43-page obituary on Sunday, which certainly makes Biden’s ad a well timed move by the campaign.

About Texas specifically, where 38 electoral votes are ripe for the picking:

Public opinion surveys have shown an unexpectedly close race between Biden and Trump in Texas. The polling average from FiveThirtyEight now shows a tied contest, and a recent Dallas Morning News survey found Biden leading by 5 points — which, if accurate, would be a game changer for the election. In 2016, Trump won Texas by 9 points. Republicans have long depended on the state to win the White House. No Democrat has won Texas since Jimmy Carter in 1976.

Meanwhile, Trump’s campaign deputy press secretary Samantha Zager poked fun at Biden’s efforts in the Lone Star State:

Democrats like to pretend Texas is on the table, but they know that’s a joke — just ask Governor Wendy Davis, Senator Beto O’Rourke, and President Hillary Clinton.

–Dana

122 Responses to “Joe Biden’s New Campaign Ad Airing In…Texas”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. Democrats like to pretend Texas is on the table, but they know that’s a joke

    I doubt Biden can win Texas, but Trump’s campaign knows damn well this is no joke. He now has to spend time, attention and money to win Texas, resources he was counting on pouring into the erstwhile swing states.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  3. just ask Governor Wendy Davis, Senator Beto O’Rourke, and President Hillary Clinton.

    Taking Texans for granted is not a good plan. A lot of us have voted for democrats before.

    It’s a good ad by Biden. It’s only a good ad because it is mere common sense, mere optimism, contrasted with an exceptionally awful competitor. We want to see America great again. It’s this kind of boring presidential stuff, the notion Biden is going to stick with all Americans, and not see everything as a fight between himself and half the country, that feels good.

    I’m not naive. I don’t think Biden will be a good president. But it’s a good ad. Against Bush 43 it would be an exceptionally basic, lame, almost insulting ad.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  4. 154 deaths in Texas today, a new daily record. At some point it will be hard to look at the sequence of events and call it a success.

    Victor (a225f9)

  5. OMG, 154 deaths. Texas is dying. Oh wait, 7,000 die every day in the USA. Which means 700 die in Texas every day. But all those CV-19 deaths OMG. In the last approximately 100 days, 30,000 people have died in NY State. That’s 300 per day for 100 days ON AVERAGE. Today? Its 33.

    Death rate is dropping like a stone. Texas currently has 30,000 fewer cases than NY state, where CV-19 has burnt itself out.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  6. As for Biden, we don’t need the President playing nanny to the whole country and saying “Wear a mask”. Hello? Its not been proven that wearing a homemade mask or a simple cloth mask even works! As someone said, unless you have the right kind of mask, its like trying to stop a bullet with a chain link fence.

    And why is Joe Biden telling us to wear masks, and not talking up with Defund the Police proposals or his desire to triple immigration, grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, get rid of the border wall, and defund the immigration service? After all, isn’t that what we all want, a country without borders?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  7. You would think his ad wizards wouldn’t have concluded a “wear a mask” and “obey social distancing” commercial with maskless Joe, in close quarters, shaking hands and giving very embracing hugs.

    BuDuh (09c6f4)

  8. You would think his ad wizards wouldn’t have concluded a “wear a mask” and “obey social distancing” commercial with maskless Joe, in close quarters, shaking hands and giving very embracing hugs.

    I didn’t watch it, did he embrace others from the rear, as per usual?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  9. Trump may be an awful person and (on a good day) barely competent as a leader, but he’s still miles better than Joe Biden. If you haven’t been paying attention, the left has gone insane. They want to turn America into a full-on socialist country. They would open the borders, abolish police as we know it, destroy the 1st and 2nd Amendments, and make the US into Venezuela. Joe Biden is not a return to normalcy. He’s not an even-handed moderate. He’s likely to be the most far-left president we’ve ever had, not least because the real power in a Biden administration would likely be whichever left-wing ideologue he picks for VP.

    Edoc118 (2faa81)

  10. Collapsed faster than the paris commune.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  11. I hope no women were groped while making the Biden video.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  12. 10… preach on, but they won’t wake-up, or smell teh cat food…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. But what I think really seals the deal is Biden’s compassionate narration.

    Do you believe that Biden has actual compassion here or is it possible that a serial liar and plagiarist is faking sincerity? It seems as though Biden has just arrived on planet earth with a clean slate. I don’t understand that perspective.

    BuDuh (255b68)

  14. OMG, 154 deaths. Texas is dying.

    I can actually see Trump’s facial expression when I read this. Maybe you’re right. This isn’t a significant event for you. But for 154 families today, it’s actually terrible.

    Politicians who understand the value in saying ‘I won’t abandon you’ will tend to resonate a little better than a politician who rolls their eyes because he sees those 154 deaths as something that primarily happened to him, especially because they hurt the NASDAQ.

    And why is Joe Biden telling us to wear masks, and not talking up with Defund the Police proposals or his desire to triple immigration, grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, get rid of the border wall, and defund the immigration service? After all, isn’t that what we all want, a country without borders?

    Imagine you made this argument in terms Texans can appreciate.

    Not ‘OMFG why is Biden whining about stupid masks when he was naughty’

    But instead ‘Yes, Biden is right, we should wear masks and do all we can to reduce the harm to Texans. And that also includes enforcing immigration laws, which is important to safety in many parts of Texas.’

    I don’t have a problem with legal immigration. There’s always been a middle ground that both sides should work on. Trump’s failure on immigration, his handful of miles of new wall, combined with making the issue toxic for a generation, mean Hillary would have done less damage.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  15. It is my hope that in November, when Americans will probably send Trump packing, they make distinctions, and keep at least one Congressional chamber Republican. It’s not good when the same party controls Congress and the White House, whether Democrat or Republican. The last time we had a balanced budget was when Clinton had a Republican Congress to deal with.

    Gridlock is often a good thing. The more laws that are passed, the less free we are. I hate it when legislators are judged by how many bills they sponsor/co-sponsor. Oftentimes, the best thing a legislator can do is say no, a la Ron Paul (“Dr. No”). Executives can also perform the same function. Gary Johnson, when he was the Governor of New Mexico, would frequently question proposals by asking why the government should be involved in such and such to begin with. He wielded a wicked veto pen.

    On a related note, consider that California’s legislature is in session year-round. Nevada’s legislators are only in session every other year for about 90 days. Guess which state has saner politics, more freedom, and lower taxes?

    norcal (a5428a)

  16. is it possible that a serial liar and plagiarist is faking sincerity?

    These attacks on Biden, even the really fair ones, they just can’t overcome the fact that Trump is what he is. He endorsed concentration camps. He is endorsed by the Klan. He refused to rent to “colored” tenants. The whoremongering fraud tear-gassed peaceful protesters to wave a bible at me.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  17. #5

    OMG, 154 deaths. Texas is dying. Oh wait, 7,000 die every day in the USA.

    Is that what you said after 9/11? COVID has killed almost 50X what 9/11 did.

    Viet Nam War? COVID death toll is more than twice Nam’s.

    WW1, the war to end all wars? Fewer dead Americans than from COVID.

    9/11, Nam, WW1, COVID… leftist crybabies always make a BFD out of nothing amirite?

    Why bother. You’re hopeless.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  18. Biden deals to seals?

    You know… the thing… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2lTIh536jY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  19. @17-
    And in a lot less time.

    Rip Murdock (6c1761)

  20. If you haven’t been paying attention, the left has gone insane. They want to turn America into a full-on socialist country. They would open the borders, abolish police as we know it, destroy the 1st and 2nd Amendments, and make the US into Venezuela. Joe Biden is not a return to normalcy. He’s not an even-handed moderate. He’s likely to be the most far-left president we’ve ever had, not least because the real power in a Biden administration would likely be whichever left-wing ideologue he picks for VP.

    Edoc118 (2faa81) — 7/15/2020 @ 7:38 pm

    I see a lot of extremism out there.

    What do you want us to do about it? I propose the GOP pick a different candidate. Most of Trump’s fans believe as you do. Therefore we don’t lose any votes if we swap it up. Binary choice right?

    How many angry Bernie Bros sit the election out, if the GOP picks Nicki Haley and Condi (or whoever, basically)?

    I don’t know how a GOP convention can switch their candidate, but if what you’re saying is a real possibility, and Biden is leading in Texas, we better get realistic real fast right?

    Dustin (d0158a)

  21. 17… COVID case double counts. Same person tests positive on Monday and then tests positive on Tuesday… that’s counted as two positives. Jukin’ teh stats.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. Ny nj michigan california conneticut maine make the lions share of cases, all emmanueled their elders as a matter of policy

    Narciso (7404b5)

  23. Trump claims he just sacked his campaign manager…because things are going so well!

    “I am pleased to announce that Bill Stepien has been promoted to the role of Trump Campaign Manager,” Trump said in a Facebook post. “Brad Parscale, who has been with me for a very long time and has led our tremendous digital and data strategies, will remain in that role, while being a Senior Advisor to the campaign. Both were heavily involved in our historic 2016 win, and I look forward to having a big and very important second win together. This one should be a lot easier as our poll numbers are rising fast, the economy is getting better, vaccines and therapeutics will soon be on the way, and Americans want safe streets and communities!”

    While he’s shaking up the staff, he should hire Baghdad Bob as Communications Director, to lend announcements like these a veneer of credibility…

    Dave (1bb933)

  24. He couldn’t fire Parscale, because the Trump sons’ wife and girlfriend work for him.

    Davethulhu (48792f)

  25. OMG, 154 deaths. Texas is dying.

    Apparently, the pro-life party has limits…

    Dana (25e0dc)

  26. They both get paid $180k per year as “consultants”, but let’s talk some more about Hunter Biden.

    Davethulhu (48792f)

  27. The CHOP is no more, it’s true, and for the better. It was in pretty sad shape at the end.

    My impression is that no number of deaths in Texas less than New York’s will be considered significant by the right, and if the number of deaths were to exceed New York’s then the claims would be that the numbers are faked, and if the evidence shows that the numbers aren’t faked – hey look! a BLM squirrel!

    The virus has no political agenda. It’s not Republican or Democrat. It’s an algorithm almost, that will grow if the situation allows it, and won’t if it doesn’t. Right now it’s growing and it will keep growing until humans take actions to make it stop. And right now a large chunk of the U.S., including its president, aren’t all that concerned about taking those actions or helping others. Too bad I guess. 154 deaths? I guess it’s not your problem, nor the serious illness and hospitalizations that often come along, even for those who don’t die, unless you’re one of the 154. That, in a nutshell, is Trump’s world view.

    Victor (a225f9)

  28. That, in a nutshell, is Trump’s world view.
    Victor (a225f9) — 7/15/2020 @ 8:27 pm

    No, Victor, that is your construction of Trump’s world view.

    felipe (023cc9)

  29. Quit whining, pantywetters. Trump is doing a fantastic job.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  30. Apparently, the pro-life party has limits…

    Unlike some pro-lifers who comment here, they draw the line at supporting pro-abortion Biden.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  31. The Lincoln Project is having fun with Covid deaths.

    beer ‘n pretzels (1d265b)

  32. 33

    The Lincoln Project is having fun with Covid deaths.

    RUFKM? The Lincoln Project shows Trump’s lack of concern for COVID deaths, (the same echoed by Trumpists in these threads), and you twist it into Lincoln Project “having fun” with the deaths? That’s some brazen Orwellian jiggery pokery.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  33. Trumpkins live in an alternate universe.

    nk (1d9030)

  34. It’s a good ad. It’s probably the best specifically on target, climate read, ad that the Biden team has produced. I think they really read the room on this one.

    @6 Why isn’t Biden talking about doing stuff he’s said he’s against? Prolly because he’s against it. You can’t make him be for some unpopular thing you don’t like just because it would be convenient for you.

    @10 Biden has always been a moderate. He’ll always be a moderate. Now, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t noisy Democratic people who are radical, but Biden’s never been a wild-eyed radical, that’s the Bernie people’s problem with him.

    @14 Biden has always presented as compassionate in social or campaign situations across his career. Maybe it isn’t real, but he does a generally good job of maintaining character if it isn’t.

    People know who Biden is. He’s a center-left Democrat. He’s always been a center-left Democrat. He isn’t going to change in the last 4 yrs of his career. This ad is consistent with that and just reinforces who we all think Biden already is. He isn’t some kind of brilliant leader. He isn’t exciting. He isn’t radical. His entire brand is “You can trust me, I was born a regular guy, I continued to be a regular guy, I know you and you know me and we can trust each other.” It’s part of the reason Obama picked him as vice president. Nobody is going to be excited about Biden in either direction, really. I don’t think that campaigning against Biden will ultimately be useful to Trump because Biden just doesn’t evoke that kind of emotional response. Trump really needs to be campaigning FOR something, but he doesn’t have any signature legislation or accomplishments or anything to campaign for and is fighting a rearguard action on top of that.

    Nic (896fdf)

  35. People know who Biden is. He’s a center-left Democrat. He’s always been a center-left Democrat. He isn’t going to change in the last 4 yrs of his career.

    To be honest, something visceral in me has always had a problem with Biden. I just don’t know what it is. I know you’re right after Bernie fans found Biden unacceptable (I guess they’ve changed their minds). But upthread it’s mentioned that Biden’s VP will probably be more lefty and probably have more of a role to play. I think that’s true.

    I think it’s time for the GOP to gather itself. These problems are immense and serious, and we are about to fight a war we’ve already lost. Trump is not going to win, so why burn so much political capital (even more) on this guy? It’s time to think outside the box.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  36. @37 His VP will def. be more lefty (it would be difficult to find someone more centrist). I think if Biden wins they’ll spend the next four years testing the way the wind is blowing with the party and the nation as a whole. You could see Biden doing that during the Obama years. Half his gaffs weren’t gaffs, they were forays for the administration. “Lets send uncle joe out to drop that idea ‘accidentally’ and see what happens, if there’s a positive response then it’s a go.”

    I’m not sure what the GOP’s problem is at this point, other than they don’t really have a reasonable plan. All tactics no strategy? Not allowing enough flexibility? Not listening to individual communities? Using last year’s playbook? IDK. They need to get it together and figure out what they are actually for and what will work politically for normal people. You can’t run a campaign on old issues that 75% of the country doesn’t care about any more. Maybe they need to talk to some regular middle class people and even a couple of people under 40 to find out what the current kitchen table issues are?

    Nic (896fdf)

  37. even a couple of people under 40

    😮

    Dustin (d0158a)

  38. That, in a nutshell, is Trump’s world view.
    Victor (a225f9) — 7/15/2020 @ 8:27 pm

    No, Victor, that is your construction of Trump’s world view.

    I am honestly curious if you can point to any significant moment in Trump’s life where he showed a real concern, or for that matter sacrifice, for anybody other than himself. Currently all the leftists I know don’t think there is any such instance, but perhaps we’re missing something.

    Victor (a225f9)

  39. #37,

    To appease the Bernie Bros, Biden will bring along some insufferable leftists, but his own politics are pretty meh. And if the first hand accounts by his Senatorial contemporaries left and right are to be believed, he’s a decent, compassionate man.

    My problem with him is that he’s just not that bright. I prefer my presidents smart enough to perform multivariate analysis (in the informal governmental problem solving sense, not the technical, mathematical or statistical ones). That’s not Biden. He’s extremely unexceptional. Even Trump is smarter, though as a practical matter Trump is much dumber thanks to his proud ignorance laziness, and stubborn refusal to learn.

    That points, somewhat ironically, to what I consider one of Biden’s greatest strengths: He doesn’t seem to think he knows more than he does. He has a healthy respect for earned expertise. And no one, however brilliant, can perform the duties of president without at least that modicum of humility. It’s just one of the many reasons Trump is so atrocious at the job.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  40. @37 His VP will def. be more lefty (it would be difficult to find someone more centrist). I think if Biden wins they’ll spend the next four years testing the way the wind is blowing with the party and the nation as a whole. You could see Biden doing that during the Obama years. Half his gaffs weren’t gaffs, they were forays for the administration. “Lets send uncle joe out to drop that idea ‘accidentally’ and see what happens, if there’s a positive response then it’s a go.”

    I’m not sure what the GOP’s problem is at this point, other than they don’t really have a reasonable plan. All tactics no strategy? Not allowing enough flexibility? Not listening to individual communities? Using last year’s playbook? IDK. They need to get it together and figure out what they are actually for and what will work politically for normal people. You can’t run a campaign on old issues that 75% of the country doesn’t care about any more. Maybe they need to talk to some regular middle class people and even a couple of people under 40 to find out what the current kitchen table issues are?

    Nic (896fdf) — 7/15/2020 @ 9:59 pm

    Are you freaking kidding me? I know you support the leftist agenda, but he’s gone whole hog, from open borders, green new deal, punishing economic freedom and not saying a damn thing against the racist BLM and antifa agenda.

    But carry on.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  41. even a couple of people under 40

    I wonder if anybody on this blog is under 40.

    norcal (a5428a)

  42. Victor (a225f9) — 7/15/2020 @ 10:17 pm

    Why on earth would you think that this task would be of any interest to me? I wish you all the best in your search for an answer to your question. I think a book was just released that might have the information you seek. Still, if you think that you are missing something, that might be your first clue in how to proceed.

    felipe (023cc9)

  43. @42 It is not my fault you can’t tell an independent moderate from a Democrat, but if you are standing in Antarctica, I suppose that the equator looks like the north pole.

    When considering politicians, it’s usually best to look at their history. I haven’t particularly noticed Biden out passing crazy leftist laws.

    Now you’ve made me go read a bunch of position papers from the Biden campaign. Sigh.

    He’s come out for green tech, which, when you cut through the silly political rhetoric and read for content, is basically an infrastructure, jobs, and trade initiative. A lot of the “by 3 decades from now” stuff isn’t actually going to get done, and it’s mostly the stuff conservatives would object to. I’m more interested in state specific regs rather than national ones (different states have different needs and concerns), so I mostly find those unnecessary. We’ve been subsidizing the fossil fuel industry for decades and so aided them in their inflexible hidebound complacency. Old energy could use a little healthy competition. Also, I don’t hate clean air and water, so I am pro cleaning up Flint and I don’t hate the idea of good jobs in W. Virginia, so I’m not against encouraging new factories there. And I’m not against the government spending less to keep the lights on, so I wouldn’t be sad if they could do that. And I don’t hate the idea of good trade deals, so if we can export green tech, it wouldn’t break my heart.

    The immigration plan actually looks really good (again, obv. wrapped in partisan language that you have to ignore to get to the point). It is NOT open borders. It addresses a lot of issues that have been concerns for Democrats and moderate republicans (seriously, the current system is a wreck), looks to make some the truly idiotic bureaucracy more efficient, and has solutions to both industry needs and abuses. Probably 75% of the country would be good with it as is.

    “punishing economic freedoms” is so non-specific that it has no meaning.

    “Not saying a damn thing against… BLM and Antifa.”: “The Democratic presidential candidate added that he sees ‘no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches, or destroying businesses — many of them built by people of color who for the first time were beginning to realize their dreams and build wealth for their families.'” He also said he was against defunding the police.

    @43 I’m in my mid 40s and I think I’m one of the younger ones.

    @45 Just noticing anti-Catholicism in the US, now that it fits your narrative?

    Nic (896fdf)

  44. No picture of groper joe’s black friend obama in ad. Well its texas!

    asset (f920df)

  45. OMG, 154 deaths. Texas is dying. Oh wait, 7,000 die every day in the USA. Which means 700 die in Texas every day.

    I guess when you’re an unapologetic Trump defender, the only argument left is to downtalk the virus, which was done in January and continues to this death, despite its wrecking the economy and killing over 140,000 Americans.
    CV19 is projected to kill 18,675 in Texas this year, which will make it the third leading killer behind heart disease and cancer. We take heart disease and cancer seriously, I hear, but because this president doesn’t take this virus seriously, his sycophants fall in line and follow suit by politicizing this pandemic.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  46. 48. Those figures are not “downtalking” anything. It’s the truth. If you care to dispute those numbers, at least have the intellectual honesty to actually dispute them instead of flinging personal attacks at people.

    Gryph (08c844)

  47. To this day, not death.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  48. Those figures are not “downtalking” anything. It’s the truth. If you care to dispute those numbers, at least have the intellectual honesty to actually dispute them instead of flinging personal attacks at people.

    Yeah, ocean is downtalking, and you’re defending his downtalking while personally attacking me. The fact is that ocean is an unapolegetic Trump defender. His comment history is no secret. The fact is that Trump has a whole cadre of sycophant politicians and unquestioning defenders who have fallen in line with Trump’s politicizing this virus.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  49. What do you get when you cross a KAREN with a Nazi?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. Here’s Biden’s best ad evah!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2lTIh536jY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. Biden knows the thing. Some random clips from his basement.

    Ann Coulter simply does not exist. She was made up, a made up thing to scare kids into drinking water
    These, “minion” things. They’re awful.
    Any parent worth their salt knows that children are comprised of about 80% weird germs, at a given time. And this is a pre-pandemic number. We re-open schools too soon, disaster. It’s not the path forward. Not for the kids. I mean these kids, they eat cheerios off the floor
    The Lincoln Project. Got a call from these people. The latest concoction, is they plan on inviting Donald to a party. Then when he arrives, they’re going to pretend as though he was in fact *not* invited. It’s a diabolical tactic, in my mind.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  52. Another church attacked. Dismiss it again Paul.

    Personal attack. I didn’t dismiss church attacks in the first place. Look it up.
    You owe me an a retraction and an apology.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  53. 51. The fact is that Ocean is an unapologetic Trump supporter. The fact is that I am not. That does not mean that he is wrong about everything all the time. And my pointing out your personal attacks does not mean that I am personally attacking you. I am simply expressing my opinion that Ocean’s support for Trump does not mean he is wrong about how many people die daily in the USA and Texas.

    Gryph (08c844)

  54. Let’s have another cup of coffee and let’s have another piece of pie.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. I didn’t make this about you, Gryph. You made this about you.
    Pointing out that ocean is an unapologetic Trump defender is not a personal attack, it’s a basic fact. When you tell another commenter that he’s intellectually dishonest based on bupkes, that’s a personal attack. It’s not that ocean used numbers, he used them to downtalk the virus.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  56. 60. 7000-8000 people dead daily of all causes other than CoViD-19 is a provable fact. To say that pointing this out is “downtalking” CoViD-19…well, if it’s not intellectually dishonest to dismiss Ocean because he is a Trump supporter, how should I characterize it?! It simply doesn’t matter to you because it doesn’t fit a narrative!

    Since you seem to have trouble understanding where I’m coming from here, I’ll say it again: I am not a Trump supporter. I have no patience for Trump supporters.

    Nor do I have patience for people soiling their drawers over CoViD-19. Trump didn’t kill our economy. CoViD-19 didn’t kill our economy. Politicians at the state and local level killed our economy.* If you think I’m selling out or something simply for commending a Trump supporter as correct in this one particular instance, you’re really no better than the Trump supporters you loathe.

    *God bless Governor Noem

    Gryph (08c844)

  57. Let me back up here: An “argument ad hominem” is in the form of “you are [insert here], therefore you are wrong.” That is exactly the tack that Trump haters and Trump humpers both take against each other frequently, here and elsewhere. And yes, it is most certainly a personal attack whether or not the argument itself is correct. It is a rather prevalent logical fallacy, and does not render the counterargument either wrong or right.

    Gryph (08c844)

  58. Biden does have something profound to say every so often and people need to listen…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2lTIh536jY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. ocean, tolerates trump he thinks he’s too interventionist, for one, and isn’t really keen on ‘free markets’ as this form of mercantilism has been labeled,

    narciso (7404b5)

  60. To say that pointing this out is “downtalking” CoViD-19…well, if it’s not intellectually dishonest to dismiss Ocean because he is a Trump supporter, how should I characterize it?!

    Yeah, it’s downtalking because you ocean are both conveniently ignoring that CV19 is this nation’s third largest killer after heart disease and cancer, and the killing by this virus didn’t really get started until April. The downtalking was done by comparing it to all deaths, as if such a comparison is actually meaningful.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  61. It remains remarkable to me, given the nature of this Presidency, that over 3+ years no faction of the Right emerged to offer a different voice….to fight for a different brand for the GOP….and ultimately challenge the nomination. The attitude has been either to meekly submit and rationalize….or quietly wait it out. I suppose this is a consequence of FNC and much of Talk Radio going full submission — Where does an insurgency go to get its message out….and amplified? I guess this is the closest that Hannity, Ingraham, Dobbs, et al will be to….not just opinionating…..but ear whispering to a President. How intoxicating….and disturbing! Yes, there is David French…and other critics….but no senior statesman or past governor…..positioning to fill the moral and leadership void…..none. Really!? Most right-leaning voters just want four more years of this!? The straining I see by Trump-apologists is excruciating….exhausting in its tediousness…as if a train wreck can be explained, justified, excused, applauded. I don’t get it.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  62. That was a great Biden ad. More of this would be a good thing for him…as it buttress the idea that he’s that lovable, compassionate uncle we’ve always wanted. (which, if we’re honest, is one of the most successful longterm political gaslighting we’ve seen).

    whembly (c30c83)

  63. @67

    It remains remarkable to me, given the nature of this Presidency, that over 3+ years no faction of the Right emerged to offer a different voice….to fight for a different brand for the GOP….and ultimately challenge the nomination. The attitude has been either to meekly submit and rationalize….or quietly wait it out. I suppose this is a consequence of FNC and much of Talk Radio going full submission — Where does an insurgency go to get its message out….and amplified? I guess this is the closest that Hannity, Ingraham, Dobbs, et al will be to….not just opinionating…..but ear whispering to a President. How intoxicating….and disturbing! Yes, there is David French…and other critics….but no senior statesman or past governor…..positioning to fill the moral and leadership void…..none. Really!? Most right-leaning voters just want four more years of this!? The straining I see by Trump-apologists is excruciating….exhausting in its tediousness…as if a train wreck can be explained, justified, excused, applauded. I don’t get it.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca) — 7/16/2020 @ 7:07 am

    I get it.

    You have to make lemonade out of lemons, because the alternative was (and *IS*) is much worse…which is a Democrat ran governance.

    Instead of having hissy fits and “taking the ball home” because you don’t like the current POTUS/GOP party… those alternative GOP factions should simultaneously and transactionally work within the current GOP party to advance preferred policy goals AND strategically implement long-term plans to elect their preferred candidates in the next elections. Yes, that may mean giving your hated POTUS a chance at a 2nd term, but party politics is also about long term strategies. (ie, we’ve heard rumblings about Nikki Haley gunning for the White House as early as 2012)

    NOT only should the GOP establishment ought to do a better job to engage/listen to their constituents, most folks don’t realize how IMPORTANT it is to have strong grassroot infrastructures and plans during the primaries to push preferred candidates forward. Monday Morning Quarterbacking the 2016 election… was it really that much a surprise that Trump won the GOP primary after 8 years of Obama and failed GOP Tea Party initiatives??

    whembly (c30c83)

  64. Whembley, I reject that Obama brought us Trump…..unless you mean that the extreme reaction to Obama…..illustrated by the Birther movement…..created an exteme appetite for hyper-partisanship and a President most interested in slashing and burning….friend or foe. Trump was certainly going to be more entertaining….than a son of a mailman….or multiple experienced governors like Jindal, Bush, or Perry. 2016 was a tantrum…..a late night bender……I just can’t understand why people never sobered up.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  65. Trump won the Republican primary in 2016 because the other candidates weren’t willing or able to argue with rump on the merits of some ideas he tossed out, yet neither were they willing to endorse them. And he was given credibility as a major candidate by Jeff Sessions.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  66. @70

    Whembley, I reject that Obama brought us Trump…..unless you mean that the extreme reaction to Obama…..illustrated by the Birther movement…..created an exteme appetite for hyper-partisanship and a President most interested in slashing and burning….friend or foe. Trump was certainly going to be more entertaining….than a son of a mailman….or multiple experienced governors like Jindal, Bush, or Perry. 2016 was a tantrum…..a late night bender……I just can’t understand why people never sobered up.

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca) — 7/16/2020 @ 7:49 am

    You can reject it all you want. The Obama administration has a hand regardless, as enough GOP voters didn’t want a 3rd Obama-term with a healthy dash of Hillary. Such that, combined with Hillary’s baggage, the voters chose Trump over them.

    Which is why I’ve always been perplexed with the Biden nomination by Democrats has his baseline administration would be like a 3rd Obama term (which I believe would be pulled further left by the Bernie Bros & Warren acolytes).

    whembly (c30c83)

  67. 70… liberal Democrats overwhelmingly reject criticism of Obama, Teh Lightbringer…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. Joey Dementia will never make it through the debates

    mg (90cdd5)

  69. The gong show could’ve made a decades worth of shows on demented Joey.

    mg (90cdd5)

  70. @72, I agree that it is equally mind numbing that Democrats…..after 3+ years….can only come up with Biden as a choice. I’m not saying that side of the aisle is much healthier…but they have someone who is a bit closer to normal….and that may be enough for non-partisans in suburbia.

    The GOP didn’t need Trump to beat Hillary….she was a horrible candidate….if a normal candidate could not beat someone with that high of negatives…..the GOP needs to fold up its tent. The fact is the biggest knock against Obama in 2008 was experience….and then the GOP turns around and nominates someone in 2016 with even less experience…..plus all the other baggage the comes from someone with multiple divorces, bankruptcies, and an inability to hold their tongue…or twitter feed. Again, the rational response to Obama was to nominate someone with impeccable credentials with a less irritating personality. Trump? Come on. The GOP faithful imagined something about “successful businessman”….and what we got was carnival barker. It should be OK to say we f’d up. Doubling down is pathological…..

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  71. I didn’t dismiss church attacks in the first place. Look it up.
    You owe me an a retraction and an apology.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/16/2020 @ 6:26 am

    You are correct. It was Klink and not you that tried to minimize a church being attacked by claiming the fire “only” burned the Virgin Mary. I apologize for mistaking you with Klink. He’s the one minimizing the attacks on churches.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  72. Thank you, Rob.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  73. Trump won the Republican primary in 2016 because the other candidates weren’t willing or able to argue with rump on the merits of some ideas he tossed out, yet neither were they willing to endorse them.

    Ideas like banning Muslims from the country?

    Like replacing Obamacare with something even bigger and more grandiose?

    Like routine use of severe forms of torture?

    Like getting Mexico to pay for a wall?

    Like giving Saudi Arabia nuclear weapons?

    Like executing the wives and children of suspected terrorists?

    Like eliminating the (then) $19T debt in eight years without raising taxes or touching entitlements?

    Trump should have been laughed off the stage at the first debate and only invited back to later ones if he agreed to wear a clown suit.

    Dave (1bb933)

  74. “Trump won the Republican primary in 2016 because the other candidates weren’t willing or able to argue with rump on the merits of some ideas he tossed out”

    The problem wasn’t the other candidates…it was the fact that a plurality of GOP voters made Trump the front runner….by not critically assessing his ideas (some that Dave has laid out). Anyone that did challenge Trump was personally attacked….and dismissed by that growing plurality. The GOP electively chose nasty…as what was needed to beat Hillary…..because that’s what politics has become on Talk Radio, on the internet, and even FNC. Ideas are truly secondary to giving it to the other side….and Trump sure does fight, right?

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  75. https://disrn.com/news/biden-only-9-years-left-to-save-earth-from-climate-change

    This sounds so moderate. More snake oil for your consumption.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  76. Joey Dementia will never make it through the debates

    I’m thinking he may use a variation on the tactic he used against Paul Ryan: laughing at everything Trump says.

    It should be much more effective, first because Trump is a drooling imbecile who should be mocked, and second because it will goad him into doing and saying even more unhinged things.

    Dave (1bb933)

  77. they want to extinguish every liberty, you will not be allowed speech that is racist, per judith katz ammunition, you will be disarmed both personally and community wide, obvious preaching except for woke will be banned,

    narciso (7404b5)

  78. Christian Lamar
    @christianllamar

    Lincoln Project Founder is a registered Foreign Agent from Russia of Techsnabexport. John Weaver.
    TENEX is Rosatom subsidiary owned by Uranium one. Clinton Foundation got $145 million from Uranium One.
    Weaver signed 6 month contract in 2019 as DC lobbyist for Russian Federation.
    _

    Christian Lamar
    @christianllamar
    ·
    Exhibit A to Registration Statement Pursuant to the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938

    May 10, 2019

    https://efile.fara.gov/docs/6677-Exhibit-AB-20190510-1.pdf
    __ _

    “ John Weaver
    @jwgop

    Proud husband & dad to 2 awesome kids.

    @ProjectLincoln co-founder. @JoeBiden supporter. Bush 41/McCain/Kasich strategist.“
    __ _

    lol – perfect

    And Putin and Biden and Hillary smiled……
    _

    _

    harkin (029078)

  79. Lincoln Project Founder is a registered Foreign Agent from Russia

    Trump supporter very concerned about Russian influence!

    Anyway, let not your heart be troubled:

    On Wednesday [May 15, 2019], John Weaver, the top political adviser to former Ohio Gov. John Kasich and caustic critic of the White House and Kremlin, was going to work for the Russians.

    For a reported payment of $350,000 for a six-month assignment, Weaver was set to lobby against possible additional sanctions on Russia.

    Politico reported on Wednesday evening that Weaver registered as a foreign agent and signed a contract to lobby Congress and the Trump administration on behalf of the Tenam Corporation, a subsidiary of Rosatom, the Russian state-owned nuclear energy company.

    However, Weaver reversed course with a Thursday tweet saying he made a mistake, adding he has done no work, accepted not a cent and is rejecting the contract.

    Dave (1bb933)

  80. “ Trump supporter”
    __ _

    Didn’t vote for him, won’t for him.

    As to Weaver, sounds like the light hit the cockroach.
    _

    harkin (029078)

  81. “ The contract stipulated that if Trump signed a bill imposing sanctions on Russia, Weaver could be fired.

    Just three years earlier, Weaver wanted “sanctions from Hell” placed on Russia.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/15/pro-biden-lincoln-project-co-founder-signed-six-figure-deal-advocate-russia/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Yep, got caught and had to run away.

    RINO through and through.
    _

    harkin (029078)

  82. 87… this Trump supporter is much more concerned about Chinese Communist Party influence on and collusion with many of the nation’s universities.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. I don’t think Harkin is a Trump supporter, but he’s also not in line with what’s popular here (Which is not intended as a criticism at all).

    Let’s all be clear on what the Lincoln Project is. It’s a very clever, hard hitting Biden campaign initiative. It employs a lot of names from the GOP, and a lot of its fans are ‘nevertrumper’ conservatives. That’s smart, given how Trump was barely nominated by the GOP (as far as I know, that primary was live later than any other one was) and represents its most controversial leader. But if the GOP switches horses, Project Lincoln will attack any republican nominee, any republican candidate, and also attack a lot of republican concepts like ‘pro-life’ or repealing Obamacare.

    It’s clear that Project Lincoln is very effective, as the Trump campaign and Russian bots on twitter (yes really) are wasting their time attacking these guys running that project. Those guys know they are drawing fire off Biden. That is their purpose.

    I enjoy their ads, don’t get me wrong, but I know enough not to put any faith in any professional working in politics for more than six weeks.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  84. Billionaire Democrats and small-dollar donors help fuel anti-Trump Lincoln Project
    The Lincoln Project, the super PAC that has produced a steady stream of ads that slam President Donald Trump, saw its fundraising soar to more than $16.8 million during the second quarter, a new filing shows.

    Its single largest donor in the April-to-June fundraising quarter: Connecticut-based hedge fund manager Stephen Mandel, who donated $1 million to the group. Mandel is a Democratic donor who has supported Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden’s presidential bid, Federal Election Commission filings show.
    ……
    Another billionaire Democrat, Hollywood film magnate David Geffen, is among the donors who contributed $100,000. Josh Bekenstein, co-chairman of private-investment firm Bain Capital, also donated $100,000.
    ……
    Nearly half of the super PAC’s second-quarter contributions — roughly 45% — came in small-dollar donations. The group started July with more than $10 million in available cash.
    …….

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  85. Seen this style of ad before from my BBD&O days.

    Pharma 101.

    All that was missing from that ad was JoeyBee holding up a bottle of Tylanol— or Listerine.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. But if the GOP switches horses, Project Lincoln will attack any republican nominee, any republican candidate, and also attack a lot of republican concepts like ‘pro-life’ or repealing Obamacare.

    It seems clear that they will attack the enablers in Congress who chose Trump over America, and without regard to how conservative or centrist they may be on other issues (their most recent ad tars Susan Collins with the same brush as McConnell, Graham and the rest of the knob-polishers).

    Sadly, when the chips were down, all but one of the elected Republicans in Washington failed the test of loyalty to their country. I don’t expect to see Lincoln take up issues beyond holding Trump and his partners in crime responsible.

    Dave (1bb933)

  87. Yep, got caught and had to run away.

    If he were a real pro like Manafort or Flynn he wouldn’t have registered in the first place.

    Dave (1bb933)

  88. Dave, right now they tell us they are only moving on to trying to give the Senate to the democrats because they are fighting Trump’s enablers.

    It is pretty hard to understand why they would put resources into that, if they are just trying to stop Trump because they believe in the GOP’s values. A loss of both the White House and Congress would not support the conservative agenda. Sure, in internet discussions, it’s easy to be really simple about it. Shame on anyone who didn’t vote to convict Trump. But Steve Schmidt et al can be expected to think a little bit more carefully.

    And it’s also very easy to support the democrats 100%, in all races, and in issues even including Obamacare, by treating the GOP as a monolith. If the GOP does run a candidate who is not a Trump lackey, Lincoln Project will hit them hard, because that organization really is just a Biden campaign effort.

    Sadly, when the chips were down, all but one of the elected Republicans in Washington failed the test of loyalty to their country.

    I very much agree. But do we want a democrat senate? Is it not enough that Trump is going to lose? If Romney is the candidate (honestly a pretty reasonable choice, given he ran for president before, has more executive experience than Biden, and is distanced from Trump), Lincoln Project would hammer him about Binders full of women and dogs strapped onto cars. The guys running Lincoln Project do not mind how this would make them look.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  89. OT, but a follow up:Game show host retweeted by Trump deletes his account after announcing his son has coronavirus

    Former game show host Chuck Woolery announced Wednesday his son has tested positive for COVID-19, just days after Woolery accused medical professionals and Democrats of lying about the virus in an effort to hurt the economy and President Trump’s reelection chances.
    …..
    “To further clarify and add perspective, Covid-19 is real and it is here. My son tested positive for the virus, and I feel for of those suffering and especially for those who have lost loved ones,” Woolery tweeted before his account disappeared.

    The message comes after Woolery tweeted Monday denouncing “outrageous lies” being told about the coronavirus, comments that Trump retweeted to his more than 83 million followers.
    ……

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  90. Dave, right now they tell us they are only moving on to trying to give the Senate to the democrats because they are fighting Trump’s enablers.

    It is pretty hard to understand why they would put resources into that, if they are just trying to stop Trump because they believe in the GOP’s values.

    Making Trump toxic to other GOP candidates is a good way of isolating him, helping ensure his defeat, and it also shows that sucking up to a criminal traitor has costs.

    If Romney is the candidate (honestly a pretty reasonable choice, given he ran for president before, has more executive experience than Biden, and is distanced from Trump), Lincoln Project would hammer him about Binders full of women and dogs strapped onto cars.

    I think you’re mistaken about that.

    Dave (1bb933)

  91. Making Trump toxic to other GOP candidates is a good way of isolating him,

    He’s polling at 35%. Come on.

    I think you’re mistaken about that.

    I look forward to admitting you were right. Let’s hope this happens. There is no excuse for the GOP to run Trump this year. Lives are on the line, IMO.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  92. He’s polling at 35%. Come on.

    35% higher than he should be.

    And don’t forget all those “secret Trump voters” in St. Petersburg, Beijing and Pyongyang who’ll turn out on November 3…

    Dave (1bb933)

  93. 91. Dustin (d0158a) — 7/16/2020 @ 11:47 am

    That’s smart, given how Trump was barely nominated by the GOP (as far as I know, that primary was live later than any other one was)

    Donald Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee on May 3, 2016, the day of the Indiana primary, when Ted Cruz suspended his campaign (on the same day when Trump had used that National Enquirer story about a supposed picture showing to Ted Cruz’s father and Lee Harvey Oswald together to say…something or other, and Cruz had attacked Donald Trump’s character. Then, suddenly, it was over.

    Trump won because the way system works, nobody seems to believe in a coalition of dfferent candidates to STOP somebody. Trump was the on;y one who had a hope of accumulating a majority of the delegates alone.

    Now this premise is not good.

    On a practical basis the whole way the vice president is now picked, since 1972 and the Eagleton Affair, with weeks of vetting in a way that a president never gets vetted by anyone, means that the presidential nominee has to be known weeks before the convention (or the vice presidential nominee not named by the convention but selected weeks later by the national committee say and in reality by the presidential candidate with a possibility of a veto.)

    A presidential candidate typically leaves himself 4 to 6 choices a week or so before the convention and he cannot add any new names to the list.

    The only value of the convention is that it gives major media figures a chance to mingle with and ask questions of politicians from all over the country, and the two speeches by the nominees. Well, sometimes another speech or two is paid attention to, particularly the “keynote” speech (delivered by New York Governor Mario Cuomo in 1984 and Democratic Illinois Senate candidate Barack Obama in 2004.)

    There was a half hearted attempt to take the nomination away from Donald Trump in 2016. Trump was persuaded to take the help of Paul Manafort (who didn’t ask for any money) to prevent that.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  94. You would know about drooling imbeciles, Dave.

    mg (8cbc69)

  95. Geritol Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. Geritol Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/16/2020 @ 4:02 pm

    The bit at the end of Haiku’s link will amuse you.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  97. Donald Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee on May 3, 2016,

    I don’t really dispute this, but it was hard fought, much longer than usual, and it’s clear most Republicans did not want Trump to be the nominee.

    Trump was the on;y one who had a hope of accumulating a majority of the delegates alone.

    Only because he ran against selfish losers. Kasich, Rubio, Cruz should have drawn straws. Lives were on the line.

    At any rate, that was then. If we really don’t want Biden to be president, there is only one way to conceivably accomplish that.

    Nevertrump or Biden.

    Binary choice.

    Dustin (d0158a)

  98. President Donald Trump is right — Joe Biden, a known supporter of evil and Marxism and America-hating, wants to abolish the suburbs.
    But it’s worse than that. The Democratic presidential candidate and former vice president doesn’t just seek to abolish, he wants to bulldoze, befoul and hold pagan rituals on the ashes of the suburbs. He wants to demolish your cupboards, outlaw your scrub boards and cut up your club cards.

    As Trump sensibly tweeted this week: “Joe Biden and the Radical Left want to Abolish Police, Abolish ICE, Abolish Bail, Abolish Suburbs*, Abolish the 2nd Amendment — and Abolish the American Way of Life. No one will be SAFE in Joe Biden’s America!”

    NO ONE WILL BE SAFE!

    *(emphasis added)

    nk (1d9030)

  99. He’s a stable genius.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  100. The other’s a stable apple…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. its very frightening where failmerica is headed

    i heard biden will require white people to receive melanin injections too mr nk

    president donald is the confederacys last best hope

    Dave (1bb933)

  102. Making Trump toxic to other GOP candidates is a good way of isolating him, helping ensure his defeat, and it also shows that sucking up to a criminal traitor has costs.

    I think Dustin is right on this. It should be crystal clear by now that, except for Romney, the GOP Senators will not stand up to Trump while he is President. They will only abandon him if he loses, and then it will be in droves. Getting Senators to isolate Trump is about as hopeless as getting young folks off the beaches.

    DRJ (aede82)

  103. I am inclined to believe that Trump is indeed a stable genius. He certainly piled-up the horsesh!t high enough to reach the White House, and he stills shovels more of it than anybody else I know.

    nk (1d9030)

  104. Oval Office conversation heard by a fly on the wall…
    Advisor: Mr. President, the latest polling is showing you’re losing way too much support from suburban voters. If they keep gravitating toward Biden, you’re going to lose.
    Mr. President: Not to worry. I’ll just scare those suburban people into voting for me, tell ’em that Biden’s going to destroy suburbia. It’ll work, believe me.
    Advisor: Um, okay, yes sir [while tapping on his phone, sending his resume to SurveyMonkey].

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  105. Abolish Suburbs

    I don;t think this has to d with race; it has to do with cars, mass transit, and permitting *but not rehigh density housing.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  106. Trump also said that Biden’s goal of net-zero carbon emissions for new housing “basically means no windows.”

    He’d be better off talking about indoor air pollution and cancer.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  107. 114. Re; Trump saying no suburbs.

    In other words: High density housing means no suburbs, because then the suburb would be a city. And maybe people wouldn’t live so far from their jobs in the first place.

    Sammy Finkelman (b4888e)

  108. Those extremely worried about the virus should look forward to being forced to move into cramped cities and high rises. What could go wrong? Vote for Biden.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  109. It should be crystal clear by now that, except for Romney, the GOP Senators will not stand up to Trump while he is President. They will only abandon him if he loses, and then it will be in droves. Getting Senators to isolate Trump is about as hopeless as getting young folks off the beaches.

    There are degrees of separation.

    It’s true that most probably won’t openly repudiate Trump until November 4. But isolating him also means that people are more reluctant to appear with him, or defend him, or say positive things about him.

    And that will help defeat him, and hopefully also increase the magnitude of his defeat (which is very important).

    Dave (1bb933)

  110. meanwhile, the dems got a beaut of a candidate to challenge cornyn, a miss bejar, makes abortion barbie and skippy o’rourke seem same, of course the challenger is cornyn, a meh lizard at best,

    narciso (7404b5)

  111. 118. NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/17/2020 @ 9:07 am

    Those extremely worried about the virus should look forward to being forced to move into cramped cities and high rises.

    Well, forced only by economics.

    What could go wrong? Vote for Biden.

    ad of course, keeping windows shut, or limited ventilation. What could go wrong, especially in buildings that weren’t homes?

    Of course, in part what Biden is talking about, even if he doesn’t know it, (and does he?) is putting solar panels on every rooftop, and painting buildings black on top (to retain heat in winter) Maybe move half of the building underground? And also, retrofitting exx=x=ixting buildings is one of these ideas kicking around.

    and things don’t work well when mandated

    https://architectureau.com/articles/corruption-collusion-ignorance-driving-mediocre-building-performance-in-australia

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-05/retrofitting-our-cities-forces-us-to-live-with-planning-failures/8874482

    Sammy Finkelman (8ac22c)

  112. I was looking for something about that Australian home energy retrofit program that had to be repealed. It gave homeowners money to retrofit. Many new incompetent companies got into the business and the maximum the government paid became the minimum charged.

    A problem even with a program that does things that are necessary. Everything needs checks and balances.

    Sammy Finkelman (8ac22c)

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