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4/26/2020

About That Conspiracy Theory that CNN Removed a Critical Episode of Larry King from Google Play

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:45 pm



Here is the allegation:

The 1993 episode of CNN’s “Larry King Live” featuring an anonymous caller who was later identified as the mother of Biden accuser Tara Reade was no longer listed in Google Play’s catalog late Saturday.

Twitter user J.L. Hamilton shared a screenshot showing the Aug. 11, 1993, broadcast of “Larry King Live” was no longer listed in the season three catalog of the iconic CNN talk show. Mysteriously, though, the Aug. 10 broadcast, which is listed as “Episode 154″ is followed by the Aug. 12 broadcast, which is listed as “Episode 155,” suggesting that episode and the ones that follow could be incorrectly listed and off by a number.

Fox News later verified the Aug. 11 episode is not listed on the streaming service. It is unclear when it was removed from the catalog.

The allegation was repeated by Tiana Lowe at the Washington Examiner:

[A]fter months of the media hedging on the Reade story, the specific Larry King Live episode apparently featuring Reade’s mother has inexplicably gone missing on CNN’s Google Play archives of the show. …. Given CNN’s relative silence on the Reade allegation, the network’s top bosses’ toxic obsession with Trump, and the size of the Larry King Live archive on Google Play, it cannot possibly be ruled out that the episode’s disappearance was the result of Biden-backing CNN executives intentionally memory-holing it. Now tell me, do you corrupt your credibility so thoroughly when you think a man is innocent?

The Daily Caller reported the same thing.

This allegation created quite a buzz. Every political hack and incurious partisan — you know, the kind who get huffy about “fake news” except when they spread it themselves — hurried to their keyboards to tap out knowing and cynical takes about the dishonest media that covered up this episode.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

So is it really true? Nope, it does not appear to be.

Here’s the grain of truth. If you go to Google Play, and search for Larry King episodes from 1993, you do in fact see that the search results show no episode from August 11, 1993. Go ahead and click to see for yourself, even though I am about to show you a screenshot:

Screen Shot 2020-04-26 at 12.56.25 PM

BOOM! as they say on Twitchy. The precise thesis of the Fox News article, borne out by actual screenshot evidence! Now go forth and spread this rumor far and wide!

… or maybe don’t. First, before we get to the really hard evidence that this is bullshit, let’s apply some common sense to the notion that CNN (which broadcast Larry King Live) was trying to cover this up by … publishing a whole article about it and putting it on their front page yesterday:

Helluva cover-up, to publish an article about it. But still: why the removal from the archives? Well, if you’re asking that question, you probably have not noticed the (faulty) assumption you’re making. I’ll take you through how I uncovered it. First, I noticed (as the Fox News article did) that the numbering was consecutive, as if the episode had never been there. The call by Tara Reade’s mom happened on August 11, 1993. The episode the night before (August 10) was Episode 154 according to the screenshot. The episode the night after (August 12) was Episode 155. What’s the deal? Did someone go back and renumber all the episodes? Was the missing episode called Episode 154.5?

Curious, I clicked through Episode 155 to see what it said there. Was it labeled Episode 155 when you click through? Here’s what I saw:

Episode 155 Unavailable

See that language in the bottom left corner? It says “This show is currently unavailable.” So I clicked through some other episodes from Season 3, and every time I clicked through I got the same message. So I tried a few other seasons, up to and including the most recent. Every time I clicked through, I found that I could not actually pull up the episode.

I figured maybe I didn’t understand how Google Play worked. After all, so many outlets had confidently reported that you could access the other episodes. I went to Twitter and put up my findings:

TV’s Andy Levy sent me a link to this tweet from CNN spokesman Matt Dornic:

Turns out I understood Google Play well enough. It was just the case, apparently, that not a single one of the media outlets or talking heads who retweeted this ridiculous conspiracy theory had bothered to check to see if any other episode of Larry King was available on Google Play.

Note that the original version of the Fox News story did not have Dornic’s response (thank you, Wayback Machine!), saying merely: “Neither CNN nor Google immediately responded to Fox News’ requests for comment. Fox News also reached out to the representation of Larry King and have not heard a response.” (I love those “they did not respond immediately” sentences in media stories. Just how many minutes or seconds do they give people to respond?) But now their story says:

On Sunday afternoon, CNN provided as a statement a reply tweet from CNN Communications spokesperson Matt Dornic, who denied that the network removed anything from Google Play, calling the allegation from Hamilton “B.S.”

“Listings on the site are not sourced thru CNN. Click any episode, it will say ‘not available to watch,'” Dornic added in the reply to the Twitter user.

Which pretty much blows up the whole premise of the story, wouldn’t you say? The guy who made the original observation thinks so. He has deleted his original tweet and is now retweeting the response from the CNN spokesman.

Now, there’s still the issue of the absence of that episode from the search results. Here’s what I have to say about that: it is odd, but it has nothing to do with the validity of the dumb conspiracy theory.

So here’s the thing. If CNN spokesman Matt Dornic is full of crap, and other episodes of Larry King can be played on Google Play, here’s your chance to make yourself famous. Go make a screen recording of yourself playing any episode of Larry King Live from Google Play. CNN’s Matt Dornic says it can’t be done. If he’s lying, go to the link, click on one of those episodes you think actually is available, and play it. Because, as always, there’s a chance I’m wrong. And if I am, you can make a name for yourself as the guy who proved a CNN spokesman was full of crap.

If you have been repeating the conspiracy theory, you owe it to the truth to do this. If you can’t play any Larry King episode on Google Play, it means the conspiracy theory is crap — which means you really ought to go to all the places where you repeated it, take it back, and admit you were wrong.

Oddly, many of the people to whom I have pointed out these facts have suddenly gone radio silent. A few quibble with questions about why the episode is missing from the search results and such, but not one person who was pushing this theory has come back to me and said: “You know what? You’re right. I tried playing other episodes and I can’t. I guess I was wrong to push this.”

It would be so refreshing if people would do that in this age of partisanship. And if I turn out to be wrong about this — which is possible, although the possibility seems increasingly remote — I’ll admit it.

Now let’s get out there and put an end to baseless rumors — even if they are about the media and confirm your biases. The truth is more important than confirming your prejudices.

173 Responses to “About That Conspiracy Theory that CNN Removed a Critical Episode of Larry King from Google Play”

  1. TL;DR: The conspiracy theory is almost certainly wrong.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. I didn’t fall for the conspiracy theory — let’s chalk it up to taking so long to write my story — but I have noted that, a day and a half after the news of the Larry King tape broke, The New York Times and The Washington Post have no mention of it on their websites. The uber-feminists? They are silent, too.

    I wonder why that is?

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  3. I didn’t fall for the conspiracy theory — let’s chalk it up to taking so long to write my story — but I have noted that, a day and a half after the news of the Larry King tape broke, The New York Times and The Washington Post have no mention of it on their websites. The uber-feminists? They are silent, too.

    I wonder why that is?

    It’s possible that they will ignore it, and it is also possible that they are working on a story that is not half-assed like the Fox News one was. Time will tell.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  4. Our esteemed host replied:

    It’s possible that they will ignore it, and it is also possible that they are working on a story that is not half-assed like the Fox News one was. Time will tell.

    The New York Times published, on April 13th, “The Times Took 19 Days to Report an Accusation Against Biden. Here’s Why.” Perhaps they’ll be able to investigate the new evidence in less than 2½ weeks this time.

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  5. The New York Times published, on April 13th, “The Times Took 19 Days to Report an Accusation Against Biden. Here’s Why.” Perhaps they’ll be able to investigate the new evidence in less than 2½ weeks this time.

    And perhaps they won’t. Who cares? Is the election in the next two weeks?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  6. This is what the Daily Mail says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256367/New-clip-emerges-Joe-Biden-assault-accuser-Tara-Reades-mother-phoning-Larry-King-1993.html

    A new clip appears to show Tara Reade’s mother Jeanette Altimus calling into Larry King and asking about her ‘problems’ with a ‘prominent senator’ in 1993. The clip does not mention sexual assault allegations. Reade filed a formal complaint against the VP this month

    There is also a transcript of the call which I can’t cut and paste.

    Tara Reade now claims she filed some sort of complaint with the Senate in 1993 but no trace of it can be found and this year she filed a police report that did not name any person.

    Sammy Finkelman (1c27d2)

  7. Correction: A trascript of the start of the call.

    The mother asks if there is any way for her daughter to proceed without going to the press, which hr daughter didn’t want to do out of respect for the Senator

    Sammy Finkelman (1c27d2)

  8. You were correct about the unavailability of any of the episodes (as I mentioned earlier on the other thread).

    However… If CNN spokesman Matt Dornic is full of crap… I have to say there are no ifs, ands or buts about it. Anything/anybody associated with CNN is full of crap.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  9. We’ll soon see if Jazz Shaw has an apology, or something else.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  10. Somehow, tapes of two old farts- one a softballer, the other a documented plagiarist- breaking wind from 1993- the heydays of VHS Blockbuster Video and Beanie Babies; of the birth of the world wide web in Cern; of David Koresch and the deadly siege at Waco; the first WTC bombing and the premiere of Jurassic Park don’t seem all that important as page one news amidst a deadly global pandemic.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. Jazz put up a correct already and attached it to his post.

    Here is my correction:

    I was wrong.

    NJRob (703fca)

  12. CNN only reported on the story after other reports forced them to do so. CNN has the tape. They could play it. If it were a complaint against Trump, they would have played the tape over and over.

    David in Cal (f8ea8c)

  13. Many of us are still awaiting the apologies and mea culpas from the MSM for their pushing the Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion, Obstruction horseschiff. Perhaps we’ll have to wait for the Durham Report.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. TL;DR Not true, not even remotely true. But you’d have to spend more an 30 seconds with Google to find that out. And to think I expected more from the Trump brain trust.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  15. Oh. I missed your TL;DR Patterico.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  16. We knew that old Joe was a groper
    But Tara said to him, “Nope, noper!
    You really should stop,”
    But Joe just could not,
    ‘Cause he really wanted to poke her!

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  17. Her accusations
    Might make the Dems dump old Joe;
    Not his dementia.

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  18. Trump’s history with women gives Biden some immunity.

    RipMurdock (25d26f)

  19. Don’t let your politics make you stupid.

    Too late…!!! The T-rump cult is stuck on stupid. They seem to like it, too!

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  20. Occam’s Razor, Google got caught with their hand in the cookie jar so they pulled ALL episodes.

    Michael (1cc812)

  21. Imagine thinking CNN and the rest of the DNC media cabal are hiding information damaging to Biden.

    Steve Guest
    @SteveGuest
    ·

    Corroborating evidence of Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden emerged from an episode of “Larry King Live,” one would think that would merit a mention on Sunday shows.

    However… 0 mentions.

    That’s 5 hours of news and not 1 mention.

    Also:


    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    Thanks for the clarification. Can CNN please provide a link to the archived show? Thanks!

    Putting an (R) after Biden’s name would not change anything, right?
    _

    harkin (8f4a6f)

  22. “Many of us are still awaiting the apologies and mea culpas from the MSM for their pushing the Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion, Obstruction horseschiff. Perhaps we’ll have to wait for the Durham Report.”
    _
    Would love to see a post this detailed on CNN’s Chris Cuomo’s fake isolation and going out in public while infected.
    _

    harkin (8f4a6f)

  23. The Girl You Want “You’re Just Teh Guy” Dove the Band of Love

    She looked so hot near the gallery
    She sat on top of your hairy knee
    She sent out an aroma of undefined love
    Sweat dripped on down like a rain from above
    You’re just teh guy, you’re just teh guy
    She didn’t want
    You’re just teh guy, you’re just teh guy
    She didn’t want

    You smelled her scent everywhere you turned
    You’d thought you’re headed for the pleasure burn
    But she bit down hard on the tip of your tongue
    She doesn’t want teh dong, which you suspected all along
    You’re just teh guy, you’re just teh guy
    She didn’t want
    You’re just teh guy, you’re just teh guy
    She didn’t want

    Look at you with your mouth waterin’
    Look at you with your hands gropin’
    Why don’t you just admit it’s all over
    You’re not teh guy she wants
    You’re just teh guy, you’re just teh guy
    She didn’t want
    You’re just teh guy, you’re just teh guy
    She didn’t want

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. Occam’s Razor, Google got caught with their hand in the cookie jar so they pulled ALL episodes.

    I don’t think you know what the law of parsimony means. The simplest explanation is they’ve never been available on Google Play. Or are you saying that when Google was choosing what to buy for content for its service, it intentionally chose to not include any any Larry King shows because Biden would run for president, in 2012 when they were choosing shows to add to the marketplace?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  25. Occam’s Electric Shaver

    Someone thought the call exposed LKL or CNN to a potential libel suit long before Google Play listed it, and possibly without knowing, or even caring, who the assailant might be. That would account for Google Play’s sequential numbering.

    Kishnevi (7eee2b)

  26. I have followed the Tara Reade story.

    Points in her favor: She seems to be a life long democrat, so this probably isn’t a partisan hack job. She quit abruptly and reported at the time and over the years of having been uncomfortable. Something seems to have happened. Her mother’s phone call seems to support that something happened.

    Points not in her favor: Up until 2017, she seems to have been a Biden supporter. Currently she seems to have been a Bernie supporter and having some kind of admiration for and/or connection with Putin and Russia. The Bernie fanatics appear to be willing to do or say anything to get their way. Russia has undermined the democratic candidate in the past in order to get Trump into office. Her story has not been consistent over the years. Her mother’s phone call to Larry King does NOT support the story that Biden shoved his fingers in her vag. No one remembers her reporting this, even though she says she did. There are Biden papers from that era available, though currently sealed. Law enforcement would be able to get into them and there don’t seem to be any reports of paperwork evidence. She also says she reported it to the Senate and there doesn’t seem to be any paperwork related to that. No one she says she reported it to professionally seems to remember. There people who have had her position have said that she is not being accurate in describing what the position would have entailed.

    Misc. data points: There have been no reports of Biden casually screwing around over the years. None of the other reports on Biden have been similar to Reade’s accusation. Would someone say “Come on, man.” to a girl they were trying to talk into bed? While it is a casual verbal tick of Biden’s, it doesn’t seem like it would be one in that sort of situation.

    Other points I’ve considered: I cannot imagine having “too much respect” to report a person who sexually assaulted me by sticking his fingers in my vag. Reade reports having voted for Biden several times since then. Neither Romney nor McCain were extremists. If you had a choice between voting for a person who sexually assaulted you or voting for an otherwise reasonable person that you had some disagreements with on policy, would you vote for your assaulter? Would a mother describe sexual assault as “a problem with a senator”.

    My personal conclusion: Something happened, but not what she is currently describing. I do not think Biden stuck his fingers into Reade’s vag. No objective evidence appears to exist as she reports it. Her story does not make sense and it does not fit with other things we do know. I do think she was very offended by being asked to waitress at a fund raiser because her legs were good. (no one would carry this relatively minor event as a full detail for the better part of 2 decades if they didn’t have a strong reaction to it.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  27. As I’ve observed elsewhere, Occam never required that we be stupid or blind. His Razor does not mandate credulity.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  28. Everybody else has withdrawn from the race, but Mr Biden, with 1,312 pledged delegates, is still short of the 1,991 he needs to win the nomination. The Democrats can still deny him the nomination if Democratic leaders and primary voters take this seriously.

    There was already some discussion about that — admittedly, mostly among the Bernie Bros — because it was becoming increasingly obvious that he’s in mental decline; dude has trouble finishing sentences! This can only pick up steam as time passes.

    But to stop him at this point, the Dems would have to unite behind one candidate, and only Bernie Sanders is anywhere close in pledged delegates, with 938. A lot of Democrats might have chosen Elizabeth Warren as the alternative, but the Democrats can’t afford angering the devout Bernie Bros by picking any alternative but him.

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  29. If it gets to the point where Biden has to issue an apology to the woman (don’t hold your breath), let’s hope he doesn’t include his “apology chain”… teh one he used on CornPop.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  30. Good post. Thank you for doing the work.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  31. ic wrote:

    My personal conclusion: Something happened, but not what she is currently describing. I do not think Biden stuck his fingers into Reade’s vag. No objective evidence appears to exist as she reports it.

    It’s virtually certain that there is no absolute proof, but it was the Democrats who were insisting, during the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation, that absolute proof isn’t required; the Dems exonerating Mr Biden at this point would stink of hypocrisy.

    Between the two cases, there were only two pieces of contemporaneous evidence: Mr Kavanaugh’s retained social calendars, which tended to clear him, and Miss Reade’s mother’s call to Larry King, which tends to show guilt. Everything else is he said/she said.

    This is one of those times the GOP can sit back and let the Dems self-destruct. Peter Daou, who worked on both John Kerry’s and Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaigns, has already started the process. Trouble is, he’s a Bernie Boy, too. It’s going to take a Biden partisan to make a big break.

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  32. @12, Interested to see what Durham comes back with

    Time123 (c9382b)

  33. What can Joe do now
    To keep credibility?
    Brett Kavanaugh laughs.

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  34. @30 My point about the evidence is that there should have been at least some kind of paperwork somewhere of a report and there doesn’t seem to be, at least so far. Ultimately everyone has to draw their own conclusions as to what happened/did not happen. I have laid out where and why my reasoning is currently. If further evidence arrives, it could change my conclusion.

    (I can give you my ultimate Kavanaugh conclusions as well, if you want, which are not dis-similar- Something happened but not what she thought was happening.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  35. Nic, now do Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  36. I wonder if it is better or worse to hire hookers?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  37. Better for you, not so good for them…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. Glass half full! We are getting to test drive the Green Nude Eel AND experience how decisions are made when the government is in charge of health care!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. Nic wrote:

    My point about the evidence is that there should have been at least some kind of paperwork somewhere of a report and there doesn’t seem to be, at least so far.

    Paperwork from 1993? On a complaint about a sitting Senator? Given that Al Gore’s campaign managed to find the younger George Bush’s DUI record, I suppose it’s possible, but any paperwork on a complaint about Mr Biden, well, that’s likely to have hit the roundfile a long time ago.

    I can see it having happened, and I can see the claim being false; either is equally possible. But I do have quite a feeling of schadenfreude on this one. :)

    The Dana in Kentucky (a2adc1)

  40. Meh. We had a credibly accused rapist in the white house for eight years. Eight years! Nothing would surprise me anymore as concerns a political candidate’s moral turpitude.

    Gryph (08c844)

  41. Occam’s Razor, Google got caught with their hand in the cookie jar so they pulled ALL episodes.

    Let’s start with “they aren’t Google’s to pull.” So, Occam has some work cut out for him here.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  42. Meh. We had a credibly accused rapist in the white house for eight years. Eight years! Nothing would surprise me anymore as concerns a political candidate’s moral turpitude.

    Only 3 and a half years this time.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  43. You’ll need Occam’s Cuisinart for this one.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  44. 41. I dunno about Trump, but I’m talking about Clinton. Whatevs.

    Gryph (08c844)

  45. But to stop him at this point, the Dems would have to unite behind one candidate

    No, they have to not unite behind Biden. If he can’t win in 5 or 6 ballots, he’ll wander off and they can pick someone else.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  46. Given that Al Gore’s campaign managed to find the younger George Bush’s DUI record

    I thought that was just a public-spirited individual from Connecticut.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  47. Meh. We had a credibly accused rapist in the white house for eight years. Eight years! Nothing would surprise me anymore as concerns a political candidate’s moral turpitude.

    Gryph (08c844) — 4/26/2020 @ 5:58 pm

    Our current president was caught on audio bragging that he can get away with what Biden is accused of doing because he’s famous.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  48. Yeah, CNN is unbiased. And Google is too.

    You convinced me!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  49. Erick Erickson has been trying for years to get back on CNN. I bet he wished he’d written this post on his website!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  50. Yeah, me pretty one time too. You wouldn’t believe how much I was sexually harassed 27 years ago. Sheesh!

    What complaint(s) did she file with whom where?

    nk (1d9030)

  51. I dunno about Trump, but I’m talking about Clinton. Whatevs.

    That explains a lot.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  52. A Clinton fan, to boot.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. First Matt Dornic claimed CNN didn’t have a distribution deal with google Play. I exposed that on twitter showing that Jake tapper shows are currently available for purchase, ON Google Play. Then he changed that to “We do not have a distro deal for LKL w/ Google Play.” But then why are all those shows listed there? Because the deal they had was either cancelled or expired. All those LKL listings didn’t appear in a puff of smoke. They were offered for download by CNN thru Google Play. The inscription “seasons only” means you can’t buy just one show; you need to take the entire season. That sort of stipulation would be on agreed to by CNN and Google. It wouldn’t just appear there out of thin air. I’m sure I’ve seen them for sale in the past on Google Play (and wondered why anyone would buy them.) So Dornic is not being very forthright and honest about this. And none of it explains why one show is missing, if in fact it is.

    johnny dollar (d030e3)

  54. 51. A Clinton fan? Me? I just said Clinton was a credibly accused rapist in the White House for 8 years.

    46. Yeah, I get that. I’m no Trump or Clinton fan (either Clinton). But whether Trump can win another term after an economic suicide to rival the Great Depression remains to be seen.

    Gryph (08c844)

  55. Not you, the ranter.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. 54. Oh, okay. Whew.

    Gryph (08c844)

  57. Michael’s Dull Razor

    Leviticus (f5589b)

  58. @38 You’ve met our government, right? There’s paperwork for E.V.E.R.Y.thing. Mostly in triplicate.

    Nic (896fdf)

  59. Nic. Inconvenient files and documents disappear all the time. Sometimes in someone’s underpants, sometimes with a cloth, and sometimes with hammers.

    “Accidents” happen.

    NJRob (703fca)

  60. Is it not written that Donald Trump raped Miss E. Jean and without even asking?

    nk (1d9030)

  61. @58 Accidents can happen, but there should be something somewhere. Even if it’s just a calendar appointment. However, even beyond that, I considered a number of things before I reached my current conclusion (which, again, could change if the information we have access to changes.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  62. Let see we can’t say the video doesn’t exist or the veracity of it, so we will throw this red herring out their and fool people into discrediting story that way.

    asset (2765a3)

  63. Let see we can’t say the video doesn’t exist or the veracity of it, so we will throw this red herring out their and fool people into discrediting story that way.

    You can watch the video on the front page of the CNN site right now, this isn’t complicated. There’s a lady, that says she has a daughter that had an issue with a senator, and didn’t go to the press about it. There were no names given, of the mom, the child, or the senator. It may be Tara Reade’s mom, maybe.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  64. The argument explaining why the video is not available may be reasonable, but that still does not explain the obvious cataloging error. The sequential numbering skips over that episode as if it did not exist. Initially I thought it may have been the weekend, but that day falls on a Wednesday and the show was in fact filmed on that day. It seems clear there was an obvious attempt to conceal that footage.

    Dewey F Brown (34b1f2)

  65. It seems clear there was an obvious attempt to conceal that footage.

    It seems clear that you’ve obviously never worked in the television biz nor had to deal w/ferreting through, or cataloging video ‘archives.’ Hell, when I was at CBS/NY and tried to access more benign video ‘archive’ footage- of some of the videotapes of the space shot coverage, it was a bloody nightmare; ‘reels’-files, etc., were simply marked “Gemini”– or ‘Cronkite/Canaveral,’66,’etc., – and dealing w/the materials was usually left to low level staff, or interns [certainly not the video engineers] so mislabeling — even getting footage transferred from reels to carts and transferred between departments was costly, time consuming– and involved a fair amount of paperwork. ‘Archives’ are also costly to maintain– and ‘holes’ [due to lost material by erasing and reuse of tapes, etc.,] can sometimes be filled w/footage found down the line preserved by station managers at local affiliates. And some of the machines to access the master materials no longer operate, so getting dupes can be time consuming. The archives were such a PITA to deal w/Paley eventually used the core of the CBS archive as a tax write off to start the Museum of Broadcasting. Of course there are usually print transcripts available someplace as well but again, storage and costs are a factor. Hollywood studio archives have faced similar problems. NASA as well; properly archiving materials is costly and easily redlined in budgets. So it isn’t necessarily “obvious” that it was an attempt to conceal– while the 18 1/2 minute gap on the Nixon audio tapes clearly was.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. Nic @25,

    Excellent analysis.

    norcal (a5428a)

  67. @65 Thanks!

    Nic (896fdf)

  68. Here’s what gets me.
    For all the attention that adoring Trump loyalists want to put on Biden for something that may have happened 27 years ago, and for all the arguments from those same superfans that Biden is unqualified to be president because of this incident, perhaps the Trump sniffers should try to be intellectually honest and consistent.
    Trump was elected president despite literally dozens of women alleging sexual misconduct, and despite multiple marriages and despite multiple extramarital affairs, yet somehow the American people deemed Trump morally fit enough to be president. How could Biden be considered less morally fit than Trump on this front? What would Biden have to do?
    Well, to start with: (1) In addition to Ms. Reade, Biden would have to grab at least a couple dozen other pu$$ies; (2) Biden would have to have a notable amount of sex outside his marriage; (3) once he’s well demonstrated his unfaithfulness, the next thing Biden would do is rape Jill Biden once or twice, and then divorce her; (4) after that, Biden would marry a second-rate actress for a few months and then dump her; (5) Biden would then find some skanky Eastern European model with a bad accent who wants a sugar daddy, and then marry her; (6) when this married skanky Eastern European model is knocked up, Biden would then have an afternoon tryst or three with a porn star and Hustler centerfold, separately or together.
    That’s the low moral bar that Trump set, and only all six of the above steps taken together would make Biden morally worse in the sexual misconduct arena. For all of Biden’s shortcomings, he’s nowhere near that, not even close.
    P.S. This does not mean that I support Biden.

    Paul Montagu (b3f51b)

  69. Erick Erickson has been trying for years to get back on CNN. I bet he wished he’d written this post on his website!

    Mr. Erickson is a committed Trump supporter. These days, he’s mostly b*tching about how the news media has been mean to Trump.

    Paul Montagu (b3f51b)

  70. Do I think Google and CNN conspired to remove this video? No. But I will point out that Google Play provided the Larry King show season and episode information either for future use (i.e.: pending distribution deal) or to gauge audience interest. In either case, Google Play didn’t pick and choose what episodes to display – they’re just pulling the available data from a database somewhere. Whether the videos are available to play or not doesn’t explain why that particular episode, or any info relating to it is missing.

    Max (9b6904)

  71. @68, Any conspiracy theory is going to need to explain why they put it on their front page (googling “larry king CNN” brings up their Tara Reid article) and then tried to hide it in google play store.

    Not saying they didn’t try to hide, they might have done so in an effort to drive traffic to their front page. But it’s not consistent with them trying to protect Biden.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  72. I’m not sure why my comment is in moderation. The one bad word is astericked.

    Paul Montagu (b3f51b)

  73. Trump campaign blowing smoke.

    Vote him away. h/t RipMurdock

    nk (1d9030)

  74. Imagine Tara Reade is telling the truth. She was a partisan democrat and kept this secret for years, and now, the only way her claims are analyzed is obnoxiously. Her ‘supporters’ keep talking about how this is payback for Kavanaugh (meaning they don’t believe her any more than Ford, but they will pretend they do to prove a point). Her supporters believe in far-fetched conspiracies that CNN and Google are memory holing the account (that you can find on Google and CNN really easily). They don’t care if Reade gets justice. They want to improve the power of the fake news defense that Trump counts on every day. Instead of a sober analysis of the evidence, we see people laugh that they might as well vote for Trump (himself with a shocking amount of sexual violence in his past).

    If Tara Reade is telling the truth, a compulsive sort of creep like Biden probably did this to a few other staffers. Of course this should have come up when he was vetted for VP.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  75. IN 24 days, CNN ran 700 stories/articles on Kavanaugh and Blowsey Ford. In 19 days they ran ZERO on Reade and Biden.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  76. Andy Lack the head of NBC News say they are winning in their war against Trump. They are destroying Orange Man and helping Biden get elected. Good he’s so honest about it.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  77. Imagine comparing the likelihood of truth of the Reade accusation to the Blasey-Ford evidence-void.

    I’m not aware of the NYTimes making adjustments to accusation reporting at the behest of Kavanaugh supporters. They admitted to removing words about Biden’s creepy behavior at the request of the Biden campaign.

    It’s interesting that these ‘mistakes’ and ‘clarification’s only occur in one direction.
    __ _

    Meanwhile…….

    Emily Nussbaum
    @emilynussbaum

    Dr. Birx is going to leave a horrible legacy. It’s one thing to be a cynical paid fixer. It’s worse, in my eyes, to be the expert who props up the mad king. I get that it’s an emergency & I understand the theoretical strategy she may think she’s pursuing, but it’s a moral horror.
    __ _

    Jon Levine
    @LevineJonathan

    It’s not the job of public health professionals to be part of *your* resistance
    _

    harkin (8f4a6f)

  78. Mr. Erickson is a committed Trump supporter.

    No, he’s not at all. He’s taking a neutral, both sides are to blame, Trump is sometimes right, sometimes wrong, I could change back to hating trump stance.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  79. “ IN 24 days, CNN ran 700 stories/articles on Kavanaugh and Blowsey Ford. In 19 days they ran ZERO on Reade and Biden”

    According to the Never Trumpers/Biden Pumpers this is not a pattern reflecting any sort of bias.

    harkin (8f4a6f)

  80. Would love to see a post this detailed on CNN’s Chris Cuomo’s fake isolation and going out in public while infected.

    Why would I waste a bunch of time on such a post. It’s been written by every right-wing site out there. This one, I felt I had value to offer. I agree CNN was misleading and laughably so.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  81. Blowsey ford was a Liberal Demcorat who hated Republican Kavanaugh. Reade is a Democrat. Blowsey-Ford told no one about the attack and kept it a secret for 30 years. Reade told people about the attack at the time. Blowsey Ford was a 14-15 y/o girl, attacked by a 17 y/o boy. Reade was a grown woman attacked by a US Senator. Blowsey FOrd had no evidence she even knew Kavanaugh, and couldn’t provide the place, month or even year of the attack. It was “sometime” in “1983” or “1982” in “The spring or early fall”. Reade can tell us the exact place, the exact date, has contemporaneous witnesses that she told her story too, and worked with Biden.

    Yet CNN has run Zero stories on Reade in 19 days, while they ran 700 on Blowsey Ford. Talk about DNC News!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  82. But harkin, does it make you feel bad that you were spreading false information or not really?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  83. 74. Where’s the link? Given your reputation for NOT truth-telling, we’d need a link to evaluate the story.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  84. IN 24 days, CNN ran 700 stories/articles on Kavanaugh and Blowsey Ford. In 19 days they ran ZERO on Reade and Biden.

    rcocean (1a839e) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:40 am

    CNN has at least a couple.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/politics/joe-biden-allegations/index.html

    I don’t follow them as closely as you are implying that you follow CNN. Why were you counting CNN articles anyway? If you haven’t, why aren’t you showing us where you got this information so we can evaluate it ourselves?

    No, he’s not at all. He’s taking a neutral, both sides are to blame, Trump is sometimes right, sometimes wrong, I could change back to hating trump stance.

    Is Trump sometimes right, or is he always saying idiotic things, but has supporters who deny reality and muddy the waters about ‘fake news’. Trump told us we were going to peak at 15 cases, and that a miracle would come eliminate the disease. Now more than 50,000 Americans are dead after months of the worst government inaction, corruption, and fighting itself we’ve ever seen.

    “I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”

    If the janitor at the grocery store told people this it would be unacceptable.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  85. Scott Adams made the point yesterday that Youtube removed the video by the medical device company that’s using UV rays in the body to cure disease. Adams couldn’t see any reason for it, except that Youtube is trying to make it harder for people to see the video and confirm that Trump’s suggestion wasn’t some crazy idea.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  86. CNN ran 700 articles stories on Kavanuagh, CNN ran ZERO on Reade in 19 days after the story broke.

    Response: CNN in unbiased because they ran two or three; 20-30 days AFTER the story broke.

    LOL. Yeah, its 700 to 2. Yep, CNN is sure playing it straight!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  87. Blowsey ford was a Liberal Democrat who hated Republican Kavanaugh. Reade is a Democrat. Blowsey-Ford told no one about the attack and kept it a secret for 30 years. Reade told people about the attack at the time.

    To you, it’s really important that these people are democrats or republicans.

    The Larry King audio doesn’t make sense to me if that’s a parent reporting their child was sexually assaulted.

    According to the Never Trumpers/Biden Pumpers this is not a pattern reflecting any sort of bias.

    harkin (8f4a6f) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:47 am

    That is dishonest. I haven’t seen any Trump critics say CNN isn’t biased. I also don’t see any who say Biden isn’t creepy with women. You’re backtracking to the easiest claim to defend.

    You have to admit, Biden’s media bias is not as bad as Trump’s. Look at Rush, PJMedia, most of Fox News, and how they fawn over Trump, who is telling us to inject bleach into our families. The insane president. No one really likes Biden, but a lot of press adore Trump.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  88. Response: CNN in unbiased because they ran two or three; 20-30 days AFTER the story broke.

    LOL. Yeah, its 700 to 2. Yep, CNN is sure playing it straight!

    rcocean (1a839e) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:59 am

    OK CNN is biased. The reason this isn’t being discussed as much is because we all agree that CNN is biased. They are almost as bad as PJMedia.

    If you are demanding Kavanaugh and Biden get the same standard, are you defending Biden?

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  89. Erickson’s Not supportive tweet on Trump comments on the goofy White House Press “Who sits where” controversy:

    This is so dumb. The White House has a good thing going and the President is creating more drama than is helpful for him or anyone else.
    Quote Tweet

    rcocean (1a839e)

  90. Scott Adams made the point yesterday that Youtube removed the video by the medical device company that’s using UV rays in the body to cure disease. Adams couldn’t see any reason for it, except that Youtube is trying to make it harder for people to see the video and confirm that Trump’s suggestion wasn’t some crazy idea.

    rcocean (1a839e) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:56 am

    If you are right that Trump was serious, you have to also be saying Trump intended for people to inject lysol into their blood.

    Can’t have it both ways.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  91. DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/26/2020 @ 10:27 pm

    while the 18 1/2 minute gap on the Nixon audio tapes clearly was.

    The 18 1/2 minute gap clearly was an accident, caused by a malfunctioning tape recorder that caused the record head to be pressed down at a point when it should only have been the playback head. There was a buzz, not normally produced. It was nothing like a normal erasure.

    But they had a biased panel (or even maybe malicious panel) examine it and they declared it was done on purpose, because there were 9 separate erasures. The 9 separate erasures actually indicates a desperate attempt to hear things.

    That picture of Rosemary Woods stretching herself so as to touch to things at the same time, of course is nonsense. Even after it happened the Nixon White House did not realize how it did. They wouldn;t know how it happened if it was an accident. (and maybe even somebody tampered with the tape recorder in the ope that something would get erased. You can’t rule that out.)

    It can only be explained by a malfunctioning machine, and that it was malfunctioning there can be no doubt because …whence came the buzz?

    It wasn’t the on;y tape recorder there. They had bought many tape recorders of the same model. So when this didn’t work, or stopped working properly, and played back no sound, others were substituted. They didn’t understand that anything had been erased until later and then didn’t realze when.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  92. OK CNN is biased. The reason this isn’t being discussed as much is because we all agree that CNN is biased. They are almost as bad as PJMedia. If you are demanding Kavanaugh and Biden get the same standard, are you defending Biden?

    So, *WE* all agree they’re biased? Really? I don’t see that – at all. Maybe you personally, ONE PERSON, do. BUT liberals/leftists/Never Trumpers and Moderates do NOT agree that CNN is UN-biased. That’s why they quote endless MSM articles on Trump based on anonymous “sources close to the White House” “Sources Familiar with the Situation”

    rcocean (1a839e)

  93. 72. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:30 am

    If Tara Reade is telling the truth, a compulsive sort of creep like Biden probably did this to a few other staffers.

    And there are no other known cases.

    Taa Reade years ago joined with others in complaining about more minor things with Biden.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  94. It’s worse, in my eyes, to be the expert who props up the mad king

    If he;s mad, and he s not exactly mad, he is still the “king” so she must try to deliver sense.

    At the state level terrible things have been done, and this was coming from the “experts.”

    They send people discharged from hospitals, but still positive, just not needing hospital care, to nursing homes, and told the nursing homes that they could not refuse to take them – basically they told them that their right to be there was a Civil Rights issue. (March 25 in New York and March 31 in New Jersey)

    Result: Literally thousands of deaths.

    All while at the same time excluding families from visiting. Some of them would be advocates.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  95. Patterico (115b1f)

  96. And there are no other known cases.

    Taa Reade years ago joined with others in complaining about more minor things with Biden.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0) — 4/27/2020 @ 8:12 am

    The only problem is that I’ve seen Biden be inappropriate with women on live TV. Granted it’s not sexual assault but it does give me the impression he’s got some impulse problems.

    In short, I think Biden’s a creep.

    So, *WE* all agree they’re biased? Really? I don’t see that – at all. Maybe you personally, ONE PERSON, do. BUT liberals/leftists/Never Trumpers and Moderates do NOT agree that CNN is UN-biased.

    I did not say liberals/leftist sais that CNN was biased. Of course some of the really partisan ones would deny it just as a Trump fan would say Gateway Pundit and Ace of Spades and PJ Media are fair.

    There is no need to conflate Trump critics with die-hard democrats.

    That’s why they quote endless MSM articles on Trump based on anonymous

    And O’Keefe doesn’t do that? Breitbart’s websites don’t do that? Baseless BS stories are driving both extremes. That’s why you’re here, same as me.

    But let’s cut through this frustration you have with CNN. They are dishonest and biased all the time. Does anyone commenting on this blog want to step up and disagree?

    Let’s go another step: No one should support Joe Biden because of how he treats women. He’s a weirdo.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  97. Dustin @82.

    Trump told us we were going to peak at 15 cases, and that a miracle would come eliminate the disease.

    He said “like” a miracle. hat indicates that Trump didn’t understand how.

    His doubts were right actually of course. There was no explanation. It was based on very abstract thinking.

    I am sure he was told, at some point, something like that:

    1) Cases could be contained as was the case with SARS and even MERS. (not only was that wrong they didn’t have the tests and the contact tracing to try. They did in South Korea but it rose a lot before it dropped.)

    2) It would go away like seasonal flu. And seasonal flu went away….no real explanation

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  98. Scott Adams made the point yesterday that Youtube removed the video by the medical device company that’s using UV rays in the body to cure disease. Adams couldn’t see any reason for it, except that Youtube is trying to make it harder for people to see the video and confirm that Trump’s suggestion wasn’t some crazy idea.

    rcocean (1a839e) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:56 am

    Saying that Trump was talking about UV light in a serious way is a complete lie. He was very clear that he was being sarcastic.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  99. 88. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 8:08 am

    If you are right that Trump was serious, you have to also be saying Trump intended for people to inject lysol into their blood.

    He wanted doctors, and his coronavirus panel, to examine the idea.

    You can tell, just from the transcript, that the UV idea was a real thing. Not necessarily a safe or a useful idea, but a thing. And the stories don’t really cite that.

    Just thedininfectant and they claim that people wanted to use it and called up a state poiso hotline to ask about it.

    I don’t think we’re getting honest summaries as to what the people calling the hotline in Maryland were saying.

    And calls to poison hotlines had been growing, in general, for some time. Because more inexperienced people were using these cleansers.

    All totally unnecessary because Covid-19 is not spread that way. It;s not staph.

    And standing away 6 feet away from someone is no sure fire protection. And passing by someone who is silent is no special danger. It matters how long you stay in proximity.

    Five minutes of speaking = One cough.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  100. 94. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 8:22 am

    The only problem is that I’ve seen Biden be inappropriate with women on live TV. Granted it’s not sexual assault

    Yes, but the point is it’s not what Tara Reade accused him of now.

    but it does give me the impression he’s got some impulse problems.

    Could be. He says, or said something like he just liked to hug people like he did members of his family. And e was trying to put people at ease – eliminate stage fright in other words.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  101. If you are right that Trump was serious, you have to also be saying Trump intended for people to inject lysol into their blood.

    Can’t have it both ways.

    Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 8:08 am

    I think for some the point isn’t if Trump is right or wrong so long as he’s respected. Which is hard to get when he routinely speaks like a complete buffoon.At the moment he doesn’t even have much in the way of accomplishments to fall back on.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  102. It’s not hard to find examples of people not Trump who were wrong about something. Biden’s been giving too many back rubs. Pelosi flip flopped on the travel restrictions. Etc.

    But that’s really not the point. The buck stops with Trump for the extreme levels of BS from day one, the extreme switch from ’15 cases, then miracle, then nothing’ to ‘total economic shutdown’. This is ruining lives and Trump is hoping to get out of trouble by hoping for a miracle like the innovation of lysol injections or chloroquine. It’s simply the worst leadership we’ve ever had.

    I think for some the point isn’t if Trump is right or wrong so long as he’s respected

    Own the libs. If Trump makes them mad, that’s the secret goal. If he miraculously gives them all jobs, that’s the secret goal. It all has to be about some hidden agenda that explains the endless awful performance we see from Trump.

    Injecting bleach. Seriously guys. There is a 25th amendment process. If you really have a problem with Biden why not compete against him?

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  103. Five minutes of speaking = One cough.

    I read that in the New York Timea, unsourced, but it has the feel of being true.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/14/science/coronavirus-transmission-cough-6-feet-ar-ul.html

    When I do asearch for:

    nytimes.com five minutes speaking cough

    Google shows what I read in the paper:

    An infected person talking for five minutes in a poorly ventilated …

    But I can’t find it when I click on the link.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  104. No, he’s not at all. He’s taking a neutral, both sides are to blame, Trump is sometimes right, sometimes wrong, I could change back to hating trump stance.

    You’re making sh*t up, rc. He openly and publicly endorsed Trump a while ago.

    Paul Montagu (6da7ae)

  105. Comparing the volume of coverage of the accusations against Kavanaugh and Biden is silly.

    The Kavanaugh accusation surfaced in the last week of senate confirmation hearings, in which both he and the accuser could be, and were, called to testify publicly under oath.

    Also, there wasn’t a worldwide pandemic and economic crash occurring simultaneously.

    Dave (1bb933)

  106. CNN is as biased as Fox News.

    DRJ (15874d)

  107. Supreme Court rules government must pay billions to Obamacare insurers

    The Supreme Court on Monday ruled the federal government owes health insurers massive payments from an Obamacare program shielding them from financial risks after the companies accused Washington of reneging on its funding promises.

    The 8-1 decision could open the floodgates for federal cash to the insurance industry. Insurers who accused the government of a “bait and switch” claimed they’re owed $12 billion from the Affordable Care Act program.
    ……
    The high court agreed with insurers that the congressional spending restrictions didn’t release the government from its original promise to fund the Obamacare program. The court said Congress had created “a rare money-mandating obligation” that later appropriations language couldn’t repeal.

    “These holdings reflect a principle as old as the Nation itself: The Government should honor its obligations,” wrote Justice Sonia Sotomayor in the majority opinion.
    >>>>>>>>

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  108. @105, makes sense to me. Congress has the power to write new laws that modify the obligations. But they’ve chosen not to do that. In the last 3 years they’ve only tried once.

    Time123 (ae9d89)

  109. McConnell’s rejection of federal aid for states risks causing a depression, analysts say
    ……
    But the White House and Senate Republicans blocked such aid in last week’s package.

    They said they feared that states and localities would move more slowly to reopen their economies if they received federal assistance. State and local leaders retorted that they will open their economies as soon as public health authorities say it’s safe to do so.

    “Every elected official wants to reopen their economy,” said Matthew Chase, executive director of the National Association of Counties. “We are incredibly disappointed that we are left behind and asked to wait for the next package.”

    The other argument against federal aid, voiced by McConnell, is that it would bail out states that he said have mismanaged their finances in the past, such as by incurring large pension obligations for teachers and other public employees. In a radio interview Wednesday, McConnell suggested instead that states declare bankruptcy.
    ……
    The comment drew widespread backlash.

    “This is grossly irresponsible with a naive sense of what state and local governments do,” tweeted Amy Liu, director of the Brookings Metropolitan Policy Program. “Without emergency relief as their revenues crater, state and local governments will not be able to run key programs like unemployment insurance, social services, housing assistance and small business outreach needed to protect people and businesses in this crisis. … The lack of federal aid to state and local governments may force premature reopening of the economy when [covid-19] cases are still rising.”
    …….
    “If you want to send the country into an extended depression, sending state and local governments into bankruptcy is a great way to do it,” said a local government budget expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
    ……

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  110. https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1101313916898598912

    We must create a famine to save people.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  111. 109. Dunno what that has to do with the CNN story.

    What’s your solution, Rob? Packing plants are not going to incur the liability of forcing workers back to work, to say nothing of potentially infecting millions with a deadly AND debilitating disease.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  112. 109, has that been Snoped yet?; not the first time I’ve seen it.

    110, if that’s true, the next thing you’ll hear out of black Twitter is that people are being “harvested” for their plasma.

    urbanleftbehind (0a0101)

  113. Or eff it, start going to these ranches and farms, slaughter from scratch and volia- and http://youtu.be/Q9oMiTvJsno (no spectators of course)

    urbanleftbehind (0a0101)

  114. More left wing coverup of the Tara Reid accusations. Man these fake news types realy are trying to avoid this. /snark

    Time123 (daab2f)

  115. NJRob, thank you for the link

    BTW, Taking the snark out, Business Insider (fair warning they’re left of center) has a article up

    A former neighbor of Joe Biden’s accuser Tara Reade has come forward to corroborate her sexual assault account, saying Reade discussed the allegations in detail in the mid-1990s

    Time123 (daab2f)

  116. Can Estrogen and Other Sex Hormones Help Men Survive Covid-19?
    ……Women, whether from China, Italy or the U.S., have been less likely to become acutely ill — and far more likely to survive.
    ……
    Last week, doctors on Long Island in New York started treating (male) Covid-19 patients with estrogen in an effort to increase their immune systems, and next week, physicians in Los Angeles will start treating male patients with another hormone that is predominantly found in women, progesterone, which has anti-inflammatory properties and can potentially prevent harmful overreactions of the immune system.

    “There’s a striking difference between the number of men and women in the intensive care unit, and men are clearly doing worse,” said Dr. Sara Ghandehari, a pulmonologist and intensive care physician at Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles who is the principal investigator for the progesterone study. She said 75 percent of the hospital’s intensive care patients and those on ventilators are men.
    …….
    Both hormones are believed to be safe, especially when used for short durations. Participants will be warned of possible side effects that may be a first for many men, like tenderness in the breast and hot flashes.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  117. If there’s any president in our history who could stomach a government purchase of inventory “bailout” of Big Meat (as opposed to Airline Tickets)….

    urbanleftbehind (0a0101)

  118. Trump has a lot of people from the ag industry in his administration. I hope they have a good plan to address this.

    Time123 (52fb0e)

  119. Damn, it’s been a Tranny plot all along, RIP.

    urbanleftbehind (0a0101)

  120. We must create a famine to save people.

    This belongs on an open thread, or one dealing with it.

    But this is another of your straw man fallacies, as you’ve stated it.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  121. @89. The 18 1/2 minute gap clearly was an accident…

    Except it wasn’t. Multiple erasure patterns were discerned in audio analysis; it was deliberate. And ‘the single-bullet-theory’ is a fact as well. Science can be a PITA, eh?! Stay safe, Sammy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. @112. … and soon, ‘Soylent Green is peeeeple.’ 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. “I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”

    82. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:55 am

    If the janitor at the grocery store told people this it would be unacceptable.

    That was a question, addressed to the members of his coronavirus committee.

    Now they were too scared of his power to dismiss them, to explain to him why that was wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  124. @89. The 18 1/2 minute gap clearly was an accident…

    CSCA (797bc0) — 4/27/2020 @ 11:12 am

    Except it wasn’t. Multiple erasure patterns were discerned in audio analysis;

    Of course. Rosemary Woods was frantically turning the reels back and forth in an attempt to get it to play back some sound.

    If it was deliberate there would have been one erasure, or maybe two or three, and not over the same portion of tape, and also, the sound wouldn’t have been replaced by a buzz, which a normally working tape recorder wouldn’t produce.

    They never examined the tape recorder in question, if I recall correctly.

    it was deliberate. And ‘the single-bullet-theory’ is a fact as well. Science can be a PITA, eh?! Stay safe, Sammy.

    D
    @112. … and soon, ‘Soylent Green is peeeeple.’ 😉

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  125. Supreme Court Dismisses Challenge to New York City Gun Ordinance
    The Supreme Court said on Monday that it would not decide what would have been its first decision on the scope of the Second Amendment in almost a decade, finding that New York City’s repeal of the gun control regulation under challenge had made the matter moot.

    When the court agreed to hear the case, the possibility of such a ruling alarmed gun control proponents, who urged New York officials to repeal the regulation.

    The city did so, and state lawmakers later enacted a law that seemed to make it impossible for city officials to change their minds.

    The regulation, which appeared to be unique in the nation, had allowed residents with so-called premises licenses to take their guns to one of seven shooting ranges in the city. But it prohibited them from taking their guns to second homes and shooting ranges outside the city, even when the guns were unloaded and locked in containers separate from ammunition.

    The Supreme Court seemed unlikely to uphold the law, and its decision in the case would have given it an opportunity to elaborate on the scope of Second Amendment rights.
    >>>>>>>>>>>

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  126. And ‘the single-bullet-theory’ is a fact as well.

    Indeed it is.

    The first bullet missed the car entirely, and it was fired about 5 seconds before the second one; the second bullet hit Connally and Kennedy; and the third bullet went into JFK’s head. Oswald’s aim improved with each shot, and Kennedy’s car was moving away from Oswald almost in a straight line.

    The driver slowed down (to figure out what it was) rather than, as they are now all trained to do, speeding up and away.

    The Warren Commission asserted that there were most likely only two bullets fired.

    Science can be a PITA, eh?!

    Yes, the ricochet of JFK;s head violated the laws of physics according to some, but Luis Alvarez proved (by mathematics, by experiments with melons, and also by films of U.S. soldiers killed in Vietnam) that the “laws of physics” were wrong.

    http://jfkhistory.com/alvarez.pdf

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  127. Sammy:

    “I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”

    That was a question, addressed to the members of his coronavirus committee.

    Now they were too scared of his power to dismiss them, to explain to him why that was wrong.

    It is clearly a question to the experts on the panel. One would have to ask them why they didn’t respond, or, perhaps, no response was expected.

    Colliente (05736f)

  128. You’re making sh*t up, rc. He openly and publicly endorsed Trump a while ago.

    Oh really? When did he endorse Trump for 2020 – without qualifications? You’re the one making crap up!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  129. It is clearly a question to the experts on the panel. One would have to ask them why they didn’t respond, or, perhaps, no response was expected.

    Colliente (05736f) — 4/27/2020 @ 12:08 pm

    One of the criticisms of Trump’s handling of this issue is that he has ignored his many opportunities to learn, in private, by attending briefings, reading a book or two, and asking his pros these questions. Instead he really likes winging it on national TV, even after that one couple took that poison he recommended (yeah he did). You’d think he would save recommended treatment miracle fantasies for in private. Then there really would be no such thing as a stupid question. The bully pulpit, to all Americans? Not a good way.

    Even in this thread we see folks trying to crack the code in a way that makes Trump’s comments sensible. The goal isn’t the truth. It’s honoring Trump. That’s not the best way to the truth.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  130. rcocean (1a839e) you are one of the worst liars and defamers here!

    Do YOU “endorse” Duh Donald without qualification?

    Hmmm…???

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  131. All this really proves is that CNN didn’t have the video taken down. This doesn’t mean that someone at Google didn’t do it pre-emptively. The fact remains the video is still down and if this really was nothing, then why is it not back up? For that matter, why was it taken down?

    John Clarke (bda5d3)

  132. @134 I don’t think the video was ever playable on Google.

    Still, CNN should make it available.

    whembly (c30c83)

  133. BTW, the new Left-wing media, aka MSM, buzz word is “Conspiracy Theory”. Basically, any theory that hurts the Democrats or the liberal/left is labeled a “Conspiracty Theory”. Meanwhile every suspicion and theory of the MSM/Left is just good old fashioned unlabeled skepticism. So if you think Trump is working to delay the election or even ignore the results, that’s something we should ask him in a Press Conference. But its not a bat beep crazy “Conspiracy Theory”. If you think Trump is a “Russian Asset” ala Hillary, not a Conspiracy theory but something we need to look into. But if you think Comey and McCabe were out to get Trump – that’s a “conspiracy Theory”.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  134. The other buzz word is “Authoritarian” . I don’t remember it being used in an American political context during the Obama years, but suddenly when Trump came along, everyone from Jonah Goldberg to Chris Matthews was all atwitter about “Authoritarianism”. Of course, when MSM wants Trump do so something like shut down a state, that’s NOT authoritarianism. Instead, Trump is weak-kneed and cowardly.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  135. BTW, the self-styled above it all Mandarins at National Review actually sided with trump for once against the Press. Even they couldn’t stomach the ridiculous “Trump wanted to inject people with bleach” nonsense. When you’re so biased that the reasonable conservatives get slightly miffed, you must be really, badly, biased.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  136. 132. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 1:47 pm

    ..we see folks trying to crack the code in a way that makes Trump’s comments sensible.

    They have to be sensible. Because he’s not brain dead.

    Sensible, of course, given his state of knowledge. Which must be he thought disinfectants killed “germs”.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  137. They have to be sensible. Because he’s not brain dead.

    Sensible, of course, given his state of knowledge. Which must be he thought disinfectants killed “germs”.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0) — 4/27/2020 @ 6:44 pm

    We wouldn’t say that about Biden. If Biden started a rambling, weird discussion of injecting disinfectants, we would all agree this proved (or rather verified) that his brain function was not normal. This simply isn’t a normal thing for an American of average intelligence and education to propose on national TV.

    Of course, first we got the Trump fanatic standby: deny Trump even said it. Then we got the ‘you just don’t get it’ argument that Trump was referencing some cool UV light and bleach research on the cutting edge of outside the box thinking. Then Trump said he was being sarcastic, which he obviously wasn’t. He lied to our faces, and importantly, the lie was also dumb.

    The pressure has been too much for Trump for a long time. It’s come up in crisis a few times. Hurricane Dorian, for example.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  138. BTW, the self-styled above it all Mandarins at National Review actually sided with trump for once against the Press. Even they couldn’t stomach the ridiculous “Trump wanted to inject people with bleach” nonsense. When you’re so biased that the reasonable conservatives get slightly miffed, you must be really, badly, biased.

    You think this is backing Trump’s idiotic statement?

    Why is the first inclination of Donald Trump’s supporters to lash out at the press when he says something ridiculous? Part of it is political expediency, of course. Most of it, though, is completely understandable.

    Even when Trump badly mangles science, journalists, who spend vast amounts of their time chasing gotchas, offer a misleading and histrionic rendering of his comments. Trump doesn’t want Americans to inject themselves with disinfectants or ingest bleach and die. Journalists know this.

    His theory, in general, is correct, in specific to this incident, idiotic. Trump said the words, lied about saying the words, then just today denied he had responsibility for people doing the thing he said, with his words.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  139. Let’s be clear: Trump did talk about injecting people with disinfectant.

    He also bragged about sexually assaulting women.

    And there are some people who know this, for a fact, but will angrily lie about it. These are the same people who would do much more horrible things for their dear leader. We’ve seen folks like this for centuries.

    This is why we must vote against Trump. Not Trump’s broken mind so much as what his followers are morally capable of. They are dangerous to our country’s future.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  140. 136… yes, as we’ve seen here for the last 3.5 years, that’s the way it works for the NeverTrumpers too

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. Trump doesn’t want Americans to inject themselves with disinfectants or ingest bleach and die. Journalists know this.

    Yeah this isn’t denying Trump talked about injecting yourself with disinfectant. At all. rcocean, please link your sources in the future so we can evaluate how truthful your claims are.

    Trump was hoping for some miracle to emerge and solve all his problems. Kinda like bankruptcy court but with science. He is desperate and tried picking fights each day to see the ripples in coverage he makes, but now he just hopes for tricorders and nanomachines and bacta tanks. That he’s musing about these fantasies in the open, on national TV, evidences a disordered mind. If he were daydreaming about this or even talking to researchers directly about it, offline, that wouldn’t be much of an issue. He would just be a dumbass then.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  142. Rc, its 2020, not 2017…the Kavanaugh hearings pushed a lot of Never and Reluc into Faithful support.

    urbanleftbehind (0a0101)

  143. Oh really? When did he endorse Trump for 2020 – without qualifications? You’re the one making crap up!

    Endorsement here, affirmed multiple times over at The Resurgent. It’s on you to show us that he rescinded his endorsement, but I’ll save you the time. He hasn’t. I’ve read most of his posts, and he hasn’t changed his mind. And just because you endorse a candidate, doesn’t mean that that candidate is exempt from criticism when he says or does stupid sh*t.

    Paul Montagu (b3f51b)

  144. 144. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:08 pm

    Yeah this isn’t denying Trump talked about injecting yourself with disinfectant.

    No, Trump talked about doctors (or nurses acting under medical instructions) injecting people with disinfectants.

    At all. rcocean, please link your sources in the future so we can evaluate how truthful your claims are.

    That he’s musing about these fantasies in the open, on national TV, evidences a disordered mind.

    No, one that just can’t get energized for a dress rehearsal.

    If he were daydreaming about this or even talking to researchers directly about it, offline, that wouldn’t be much of an issue. He would just be a dumbass then.

    in that case, they’d have a harder time disabusing him of that notion. This way, they didn’t need to argue.

    Sammy Finkelman (d530d0)

  145. I shouldn’t have engaged in the Trump comparison. It was inevitably going to come up. The comparison to Trump’s scandal is too convenient.

    But if the democrats did somehow dump Biden over Tara Reade, who do they replace him with? Sanders fans will be infuriated if it’s not Bernie.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  146. No, Trump talked about doctors (or nurses acting under medical instructions) injecting people with disinfectants.

    No he didn’t. The noun in the sentence was “you.” The audience of a national TV broadcast is the nation. That’s why some poison control centers are seeing a massive increase in ingested disinfectants.

    But we’re both off topic. If the democrats replace Biden, how do they do that at this point? Who do they go with?

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  147. I shouldn’t have engaged in the Trump comparison

    That’s a decent start. Please continue…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  148. That’s a decent start. Please continue…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:48 pm

    your wit is wasted on a slimeball.

    Go back to worshiping Romney. It was as religious but less surreal somehow.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  149. Don’t be so hard on yourself, you’ve much to live for.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. CNN published over 700 articles on the accusations against Kavanaugh in the same period as it wrote 2 article on those against Biden. The former began within days of the accusations being first made, the latter took over 3 weeks following the accusations. The CNN article linked above which addresses the King video is only the 2nd article mentioning them, and it only was published to address accusations against CNN of having the episode personally scrubbed from Google Play. Why the silence if not to protect Biden? It certainly wasn’t silent when it rushed to his defense regarding his dealings in Ukraine. Of course Ukraine was the means through which CNN could politic for impeachment, so Biden didn’t do anything wrong by default.

    Most other non-conservative mainstream news organizations, ie MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, have also barely covered the story. Never have the accusations even been a topic during the democrat debates. Some, like the NY Times, have even been critical and skeptical of Reade’s accusations, an approach they have yet to apply when it is a Republican being accused. Call it a conspiracy theory if you like, it’s a popular ad hominem attack to use to dismiss inconvenient truths, but there is clear/extreme bias in most of the mainstream press favor of the democratic establishment which leads it to cover for people like Biden, and which appears to be collusion.

    In fact, The New York Times’ executive editor Dean Baquet admitted to stealth editing an article on the accusations after the Biden campaign complained that it made it appear as though there are other allegations of sexual harassment against Biden. The problem is, there are multiple other allegations against him, but The Times dismisses these, saying “The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable.” Ok. So long as they “just” made them uncomfortable.

    As for Trump’s comments. Agree with him or not, his opponents do themselves no favor by misrepresenting, misquoting, cherry picking or decontextualizing what he says. He said, “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds interesting to me.”

    Where does he say to ingest or inject yourself with anything? He specifically said it is something researchers may be able to look into, and, if we get to the point where something beneficial is discovered, it would have to be administered by a doctor.

    Christian (50c32b)

  151. As for Trump’s comments. Agree with him or not, his opponents do themselves no favor by misrepresenting, misquoting, cherry picking or decontextualizing what he says. He said, “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds interesting to me.”

    Where does he say to ingest or inject yourself with anything? He specifically said it is something researchers may be able to look into, and, if we get to the point where something beneficial is discovered, it would have to be administered by a doctor

    You were doing so well till this part. Trump was talking about injecting disinfectant, it’s not misquoted, out of context, or sarcasm. He plainly said it, he clearly knows he said it and is desperate to wish it away. Adding your wishes will still be for nothing.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  152. Not enough people dead for your happiness, eh Klink?

    mg (8cbc69)

  153. 154. Who is the “we” that might “do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”

    He asks them to check it out and says they would have to use doctors.

    If anyone tried it themselves, it would be because of the misrepresentation of what Trump said in the media.

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  154. 140. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 6:47 pm

    If Biden started a rambling, weird discussion of injecting disinfectants, we would all agree this proved (or rather verified) that his brain function was not normal.

    Well, if they did that, they would be wrong.

    If Biden had said that we might notice, and be surprised about, his ignorance more than with Trump. And hes be embarrassed.

    This simply isn’t a normal thing for an American of average intelligence and education to propose on national TV.

    Education maybe, and only because other people would be more cautious. But he should keep it up – he might latch on to something good (his own ideas aren;t too educated)

    Of course, first we got the Trump fanatic standby: deny Trump even said it. Then we got the ‘you just don’t get it’ argument that Trump was referencing some cool UV light and bleach research on the cutting edge of outside the box thinking.

    He was. And then he came up with his suggestion (that showed he didn;t understand anything)

    Then Trump said he was being sarcastic, which he obviously wasn’t. He lied to our faces, and importantly, the lie was also dumb.

    He does that. It seems he periodically uses this “sarcastic” explanation for saying something where he is badly rong.

    He would be better off telling the truth.

    The pressure has been too much f

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  155. BTW, the new Left-wing media, aka MSM, buzz word is “Conspiracy Theory”. Basically, any theory that hurts the Democrats or the liberal/left is labeled a “Conspiracty Theory”. Meanwhile every suspicion and theory of the MSM/Left is just good old fashioned unlabeled skepticism. So if you think Trump is working to delay the election or even ignore the results, that’s something we should ask him in a Press Conference. But its not a bat beep crazy “Conspiracy Theory”. If you think Trump is a “Russian Asset” ala Hillary, not a Conspiracy theory but something we need to look into. But if you think Comey and McCabe were out to get Trump – that’s a “conspiracy Theory”.

    rcocean (1a839e) — 4/27/2020 @ 6:34 pm

    I’ve been laughing at some of Trumps nuttier supporters for Conspiracy Theories that are unsubstantiated by evidence for a long time.

    Do you have any evidence that Comey and McCabe were out to get Trump? People have been looking for years and so far found no evidence.
    (Pizza Gate, Deep State out to get him,

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  156. This simply isn’t a normal thing for an American of average intelligence and education to propose on national TV.
    Education maybe, and only because other people would be more cautious. But he should keep it up – he might latch on to something good (his own ideas aren;t too educated)

    I think he’s personally unfamiliar with what disinfectants are. If he’s ever used bleach to clean a kitchen / bathroom i doubt it’s been in the last 30 years. Where you or I have a gut reaction that disinfectants are toxic. To him they’re just another type of chemical.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  157. Watching otherwise rational people falling over themselves to defend Trump’s rambling windy exertions will never cease to be bizarre.

    JRH (52aed3)

  158. I think he’s personally unfamiliar with what disinfectants are. If he’s ever used bleach to clean a kitchen / bathroom i doubt it’s been in the last 30 years. Where you or I have a gut reaction that disinfectants are toxic. To him they’re just another type of chemical.

    Time123 (f5cf77) — 4/28/2020 @ 5:46 am

    You may be right. Fascinating to think how alien Trump’s experience is from ours. And that does matter. Maybe all presidents need not be veterans, but can they at least have a few years of life as a normal, unpampered child?

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  159. If one good thing comes out of Trump’s Presidency, it will be that white* anti-gunners will look at Trump supporters and realize that they need the Second Amendment too.

    *Black people have known it for 150 years.

    nk (1d9030)

  160. As for Trump’s comments. Agree with him or not

    Christian, even Trump says he doesn’t agree with those comments. He was being sarcastic. On national TV. About injecting a bleach covered pitchfork into your brain.

    Don’t be so hard on yourself, you’ve much to live for.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/27/2020 @ 9:10 pm

    Whoa damn. You ok man? Suicide is a strange place to take our conversation. Go enjoy the gorgeous California sunshine and our freedom to bitch about politicians.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  161. If one good thing comes out of Trump’s Presidency, it will be that white* anti-gunners will look at Trump supporters and realize that they need the Second Amendment too.

    *Black people have known it for 150 years.

    nk (1d9030) — 4/28/2020 @ 6:14 am

    Nice point!

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  162. The NRA and African-Americans were strong supporters of each other for decades.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  163. 149. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:45 pm

    But we’re both off topic. If the democrats replace Biden, how do they do that at this point? Who do they go with?

    Big question. There is no heir, although Biden can name one. If he pulls out after choosing a vice president, it would most likely be that person. If he is forced out, there will be a little bit more freedom.

    In New York State yesterday, they cancelled the presidential primary. Every candidate but Biden had withdrawn, and New York State does not hold primaries with just one candidate on the ballot (although it does hold judicial elections with all the same candidates nominated by four different political parties.)

    That doesn’t mean the June 28 election will be cancelled altogether statewide. There are still primaries in places for members of the House of Representative, and for the State Senate and Assembly, and maybe somewhere a District Attorney or judges..

    Every registered voter (limited to people who have some race to vote on, so mostly Democrats for starters) will be mailed an absentee ballot application. The New York State constitution prohibits no excuse absentee voting, so it’s only an application. If they fill it out, and mail it back in the postage paid envelope, they will be mailed a ballot.

    But the polls will also be open, and also probably the more limited locations for the new nine (9) days of early voting.

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  164. No, Trump talked about doctors (or nurses acting under medical instructions) injecting people with disinfectants.

    Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/27/2020 @ 7:45 pm

    No he didn’t. The noun in the sentence was “you.”

    Let’s look again (taking this from #154):

    “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds interesting to me.”

    The pronoun is “we” That;s who can “do.” “You” appears in the phrase “you see” “You” there means anyone and everyone. It’s basically a passive statement. What “you” do is see.

    “You” also are going to have to use medical doctors.

    (It would be better, in Trump’s mind, if a person could do this at home, or with the help of a family member, but it is too complicated to do things that way, or would require specialized equipment. Despite that drawback, it sounds interesting, says Trump. If he does say so himself, he could have added. Unless he got this from somebody else, but it sounds like he’s talking about his own bright idea..)

    And he would like (no antecedent, but he clearly is speaking of some people on his coronavirus task force) to check it out. Which means that He’s not ready to recommend it.

    The audience of a national TV broadcast is the nation. That’s why some poison control centers are seeing a massive increase in ingested disinfectants.

    That predates this. And if this had anything to do with that, it’s the reporting on it.

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  165. Interesting analysis and sentence diagramming, Sammy. Do you think the people who discuss using bleach as medicine are smart enough to parse Trump’s words so carefully (and frankly with cynical intent to reach a particular result)? Do you think it is responsible to suggest extremely toxic chemicals as having medicinal value, on national TV, in a panic?

    If a high school teacher said this to his class, it would be unacceptable. If someone grabbed the PA system at the grocery store to say this, they would probably be liable. Let’s all agree Trump’s mental problems have compromised his ability to do his job. We’ll never know how many people this harms, but it’s going to harm some.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  166. Sammy,

    I think Trump was asking research doctors to experiment with his ideas about the effect of light and disinfectants on Covid. But everyday people have light and disinfectants, and they might be afraid enough of Covid that they decide to experiment, too.

    DRJ (15874d)

  167. 166. In New York State yesterday, they cancelled the presidential primary. Every candidate but Biden had withdrawn, and New York State does not hold primaries with just one candidate on the ballot

    That struck me as new, because a primary ha s not been canceled before. It seems like New York Sate changed the law in the budget bill they passed about March 31, to allow the removal of candidates from a primary ballot if they’ve withdrawn from the race.

    https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/new-york-presidential-primary-likely-canceled.html

    n response to the new coronavirus pandemic, Gov. Andrew Cuomo moved the Democratic primary from April 28 to June 23. Later, a provision was added into the state budget that permits the state Board of Elections to remove from the ballot presidential candidates who have dropped out. If all names other than Joe Biden are removed, the state would be able to cancel the primary. That’s effectively what happened with the Republican presidential primary – President Donald Trump was the only candidate to qualify for the ballot, so the state Board of Elections Republican co-chairs canceled the election rather than have a ballot with just one candidate.

    The Sanders campaign didn;t like this. He or they want their people at the convention.

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  168. 169. DRJ (15874d) — 4/28/2020 @ 7:45 am

    I think Trump was asking research doctors to experiment with his ideas about the effect of light and disinfectants on Covid.

    Nott even to experiment, but to examine the idea and consider experimenting.

    But everyday people have light and disinfectants, and they might be afraid enough of Covid that they decide to experiment, too.

    But how?

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  169. 168. Dustin (e5f6c3) — 4/28/2020 @ 7:23 am

    it is responsible to suggest extremely toxic chemicals as having medicinal value, on national TV, in a panic?

    What Trump was doing was make a suggestion that was virtually impossible for anyone to carry out.

    And if there was anything here that was irresponsible it was saying that Trump had said to ingest disinfectants.

    Because in any dispute between Trump and the media, some people are going to believe Trump over the media and here the major media is now telling people that Trump said to take bleach.

    …When he didn’t even say what they say he said!

    Yes, the were also saying that what Trump said was terrible, but they did so without even offering a hint of an explaining as to why. It was saying because we said so. They sometimes didn’t offer a single argument sometimes as to why it was bad. That’s going to convince anybody?

    I don’t think we should assume people are stupid, because if we do, then we must say that almost anything at all could cause somebody to do a bad thing.

    I will say that just talking about disinfectants, in general, in any context, could cause people to try to use them – to clean yes – but misuse them or get into accidents.

    It caused a rise in calls to poison control center of 7% one place. Of course most of those calls, or at least the rise was requests for general information.

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  170. 162. If ownership of guns could help people resist a government with an Air Force and chemical weapons, the Kurds wouldn’t have needed a No Fly Zone in 1991, and the rebels would be OK in Syria.

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)


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