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6/24/2019

Follow-up: President Trump Responds To Writer’s Rape Allegation

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:35 pm



[guest post by Dana]

President Trump, during an interview with The Hill, was asked about the recent rape allegation made by writer E. Jean Carroll:

“I’ll say it with great respect: Number one, she’s not my type. Number two, it never happened. It never happened, OK?” the president said while seated behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office.

When asked if Carroll was lying, Trump on Monday repeated his assertion that he had never met her.

“Totally lying. I don’t know anything about her,” he said. “I know nothing about this woman. I know nothing about her. She is — it’s just a terrible thing that people can make statements like that.”

If it were any other president facing an accusation of rape, I would think it bizarre of him to use his accuser’s looks to bolster his claims of innocence. How could I possibly be guilty? I mean, have you seen her?? But given that it’s Trump we’re talking about, and given that we’ve been down this rabbit hole for two years now, it’s actually the exact sort of thing I would expect him to say.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

169 Responses to “Follow-up: President Trump Responds To Writer’s Rape Allegation”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (bb0678)

  2. If a man is falsely accused of rape, I think it’s darned decent of him to say “She’s not my type” and not “I don’t swim in sewers”, and I would consider even the second to be very, very restrained in proportion to the accusation.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. It’s the smart presidents, like Clinton, who have a dedicated war room (his wife plus Stephanopoulos) to trash his accusers, so Bill didn’t need to. Trump is just so dumb.

    Munroe (e801a4)

  4. You make a good point, nk. *If* being the operative word. My point in the post wasn’t to take a position on whether the accusaiton is true or not but rather to note that I’m really conditioned to expecting a certain Trumpian response. I iwll say though, that reading through today’s interviews and follow-ups with Carroll, including someone on CNN painfully coaching her through the account, her story seems less and less truthful.

    Dana (bb0678)

  5. In this case, what you refer to as Trump’s dumbness may have worked to his benefit, Munroe.

    Dana (bb0678)

  6. “Once you give up integrity, the rest is a piece of cake.”

    Guess:

    [ ] Donald Trump

    [ ] JR Ewing

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. Trump is just so dumb.

    Denying you’ve ever met someone whose accusation includes a photograph of the two of you together – GENIUS!

    Dave (1bb933)

  8. I was thinking: Perhaps I should reconsider my resolve not to vote for Trump in 2020. Then I saw him again on TV.

    “Look at that face!” I cried. “Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  9. Munroe’s Trumpkin Defender Secret Decoder Ring is stuck on “Whatabout” again.

    A little bit of graphite lube will loosen that right up for you, Munroe. Don’t use WD-40, it’ll dissolve the plastic.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  10. Trump has dismissed the photo, as expected:

    “Standing with my coat on in a line — give me a break — with my back to the camera. I have no idea who she is.”

    Dana (bb0678)

  11. Bringing Clinton into this just reminds me of the similarities between two powerful, small men who have taken pleasure in humiliating their wives by being with other women.

    Dana (bb0678)

  12. 11. The difference, in this case, is that I don’t think Melania really cares. I don’t know if Hillary really thought Bill was an embarrassment, but there’s no indication I can see that Mrs. Trump feels that way about Donald.

    Gryph (08c844)

  13. Trump Always hits back. Someone falsely accuses him of Rape, he’ll counter-attack. Plus, he loves beautiful women and is insulted that someone would accuse him of going after someone who’s 52 y/o and not very attractive.

    I don’t know if Carroll has provided additional detail on their relationship. Last, I heard, she only asserted they bumped into each other and Trump called her “that advice lady”.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  14. Has Carroll asserted a relationship beyond that?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  15. I’ve had my picture taken with people at many Corporate events. If you were to say, “I knew them” you’d be lying. I saw them at the event. I may have shook their hand. that’s it. ‘I don’t know her” doesn’t mean – never saw her – ever.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  16. I have pictures of famous authors who signed my book – at a book signing. I didn’t “Know them”. I attended a fundraiser with Congressman X, 20 years ago. I still have his picture with me. Did I know the Congressman? No.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  17. Should read: Bringing Clinton into this just reminds me of the similarities between two powerful, small men who have taken pleasure in humiliating their wives by hurting and humiliating other women.

    Dana (bb0678)

  18. So, the new standard is this. The POTUS can be charged with rape from 20 years ago. The person can be a member of the opposite party, who’s expressed a hatred for the POTUS. She can not remember the year it happened. She can’t remember the season of the year. She has no external evidence other than her word.

    And that accusation is considered credible and is national news. This in just encouraging every grand-stander, kook, attention seeker, or political enemy to make false charges. They just have to be clever enough to have a plausible story and vague enough so that no one can ever disprove their story.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  19. @7. That’s a bit inaccurate; context matters: in fact, it wasn’t ‘just the two of them’ in that ’87 photo at the NYC/NBC media event; In fact, he and wife Ivana were doing a doorway meet and greet- in that instance, pressing the flesh w/t then well known local NYC TV news reporter, John Johnson, then w/Channel 7/WABC-TV, if memory serves. The man was quite well known in the Tri-state area in that era. The fella in the background looks familiar, too- can’t place a name w/t face, though. The woman in question was Johnson’s gushing wife.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. Clinton was sued for sexual harassment by Arkansas Employee who was brought to his office by State Troopers. Clinton got “Lewinskys” in the Oval Office. Clinton tried to get others to lie under oath.

    Trump is more like a much more celibate – much more moral JFK. Trump isn’t having sex with a Intern while Melainie is out of town.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  21. More to the point, if somebody accused you of a crime you didn’t commit, wouldn’t you study the content of the accusation carefully (for instance, noticing that there’s a photograph of you with the person next to it on the page) and avoid self-evidently false claims like “I’ve never met this person in my life” when, clearly, you have?

    Instead we get President Bart Simpson:

    “I didn’t do it, nobody saw me do it, she’s not my type, there’s no way you can prove anything.”

    (Apologies for associating a beloved cultural icon like Bart Simpson with a toxic piece of sewage like Donald Trump)

    Dave (1bb933)

  22. So, the new standard is this. The POTUS can be charged with rape from 20 years ago.

    Only if he’s publicly bragged about it in the past.

    Dave (1bb933)

  23. Someone falsely accuses him of Rape, he’ll counter-attack

    The strength of that argument is diminished by the fact that Trump counterattacks on everything, true or false.

    Kishnevi (1bb3ae)

  24. You’re suing me for the cost of the teapot I borrowed from you, but gave back broken?

    You never had a teapot to begin with. I never borrowed your teapot. It was already broken when you loaned it to me. It was perfectly fine when I gave it back, you must have broken it since then. I don’t even like tea.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  25. Helps to get familiar w/t players on the score card:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll

    An updated paperback of her 1985 tome, Smut Stars, and Other Modern Girls could be in the future w/this much media attention. She hasn’t gotten this much ‘press attention’ since sleeping w/husband John Johnson– and taking her wardrobe to the dry cleaners. Is Stormy available for an interview for that paperback?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  26. Hillary broke the teapot. Obama broke it, to show her how. The FBI secretly spied on this teapot. I can’t tell you any more about teapots, they’re national defense secrets. If I were to break your teapot, I would have broken it into more pieces than that. Broken teapots actually make the tea taste better. Illegal immigrants broke the teapot. It’s fake news that the teapot ever even existed. It was decades ago that the teapot got broken, whoever broke it. Mueller broke the teapot. Jeff Sessions should never have recused himself from watching over this teapot. This teapot is from North Korea, given to me to mark the end of the Nuclear Threat. NATO needs to pay its fair share to fix the teapot. I was ten minutes away from a cruise missile attack on this teapot, but it would have been disproportionate. Congress is to blame for the teapot. Chuck Schumer broke the teapot. Nancy Pelosi is so crazy, she lives inside a teapot. And anyway, did you see the face on that teapot? Believe me, I’d have picked another teapot to break.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  27. Cameron Cawthorne
    @Cam_Cawthorne
    Anderson Cooper went straight to commercial right after this comment.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Cam_Cawthorne/status/1143312254537994241

    As someone said in the comments: Fifty shades of cray cray.

    harkin (647002)

  28. Added:


    Matt in MA
    @mdcoletti
    Well done
    @CNN
    Didn’t think you could get worse after Michael Avenatti but Bravo

    _

    harkin (647002)

  29. The strength of that argument is diminished by the fact that Trump counterattacks on everything, true or false.

    president mr donald also known as trump is as pure and fresh and generous as a newborn baby’s bottom and he makes the sun shine and the flowers bloom too

    Dave (1bb933)

  30. Add enough fecal matter to the soil, flowers will indeed bloom.

    Kishnevi (1bb3ae)

  31. @30. When he dumps Mike and plucks Nikki from the BoD at Boeing so she doesn’t crash and burn w/Muilenburg, all will be right w/t women, if she parachutes into the VEEP spot; so your post-Trump 2024 plans could be penciled in.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. ‘Monroe’s Trumpkin Defender Secret Decoder Ring is stuck on “Whatabout” again.’
    Beldar (fa637a) — 6/24/2019 @ 7:16 pm

    It’s the default position until presented with new data. Something other than Orange Man Bad.

    Munroe (40d920)

  33. As someone said in the comments: Fifty shades of cray cray.

    She’s not my type, either.

    nk (dbc370)

  34. @31…Indians (The non-Warren kind) for Trump are white whale like Other-than-Cuban Hispanics with da Bushes.

    urbanleftbehind (6a4399)

  35. Fatal Attraction was off by 33 years.

    urbanleftbehind (6a4399)

  36. Trump is just so dumb.

    Denying you’ve ever met someone whose accusation includes a photograph of the two of you together – GENIUS!

    I have pictures of me at Scouting events 20 years ago that I cannot for the life of me remember being at. Much less recall who some of the people in the photos are.

    And I can recall the names of maybe a half dozen people I was at boot camp with. If they showed up saying I knew them- I’d say I had never met them before.

    Gospace (f38eb5)

  37. Pence has to bury the text that ordered the Buttcreek-blocking suicide by cop in South Bend.

    urbanleftbehind (6a4399)

  38. And I can recall the names of maybe a half dozen people I was at boot camp with. If they showed up saying I knew them- I’d say I had never met them before.

    Gospace (f38eb5) — 6/24/2019 @ 8:49 pm

    And if somebody showed you a photograph of the two of you together, in a place where you had, in fact, been together, would you insist that you’d never met them before?

    He didn’t say “I don’t remember her.” He said “I’ve never met this person in my life.”

    In fact, he didn’t need to remember anything about whether they had met or not, because she helpfully included a photograph of the two of them together IN THE ACCUSATION.

    That people will tie themselves in knots to defend a bald-faced, provable lie – demolished by unchallenged documentary evidence – just boggles the mind.

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. Well, she’s got her fifteen minutes and she’s cruising through the talk shows now.
    She forgot to take her medicine like she promised her publicist now.
    And she’ll have fun, fun, fun till CNN pulls the cameras away.
    Yes, she’ll have fun, fun, fun till NBC pulls the cameras away.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. And then we’ll pretend we never took her serious, damon runyon.

    Narciso (30eb7e)

  41. The Jewel security cameras from less than four hours ago can show me with about a dozen people that I was in about the same proximity with as Trump and Ms. Carroll. Did I meet them?

    nk (dbc370)

  42. “Standing with my coat on in a line — give me a break — with my back to the camera. I have no idea who she is.”

    It wasn’t in a line. Rather, it looks like he was standing around (possibly getting ready to leave) talking to her husband, wit Ivana standing next to him on his left, beween them, and E Jean Carrp;; standing off somewhat to the side being ignored.

    I don’t know where Trump gets these ideas that’s he’s standing in a line. Somebody says something like that to him, and he just accepts it? And why does somebody say it?

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  43. What does Carroll say about knowing Trump? Has anyone asked her? Babbling about a picture of her and Trump is meaningless.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  44. And what’s doubly ridiculous about the use of this picture is that, in the story, Trump says he recognizes her from her cable TV show * and NOT that he remembered meeting her eight years before or that he knew her personally any other way.

    ———
    * words to that effect.

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  45. Carroll did not say she knew Trump. She stated he called her “The advice lady”. They never talked before or after this incident.

    Babbling about the picture is meaningless.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  46. 19.

    In fact, he and wife Ivana were doing a doorway meet and greet- in that instance, pressing the flesh w/t then well known local NYC TV news reporter, John Johnson, then w/Channel 7/WABC-TV, if memory serves

    So that explains the standing in line business.

    Where is the context or orogin of this photo discussed?

    Of course, Trump should have more sense than to say he never met her – how could he be sure? But then he always baldly asserts things he’s, at best, not sure of.

    And then, the (misleading) picture is published with the original accusation, but Trump doesn’t look a it before responding.

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  47. She basically said rape is sexy and then hit on Anderson Cooper.

    Time for rape accuser re-load.

    harkin (58d012)

  48. 45.

    She stated he called her “The advice lady”.

    Meeaning, in the story, he;s not claiming to know her name.

    And she says the same of herself not naming him. But why should she not remember thename Donald Trump??

    If she knew of him at all, or recognized him, she would know his name! (another difficulty with this story.)
    Trump.

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  49. RIP Steve Dunleavy

    Narciso (30eb7e)

  50. @46. The face of the bearded dude looks familiar to me from my CBS days there, Sammy– just can’t place a name to it. Remember back in those days The Donald and Ivana would do those ‘galas’ several nights a week– get a minute on the 11:00 PM news and then look to see what was planted on Page Six about ’em in the morning. It was like drinking maple syrup every day.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  51. @49. Tabloid tattler fades to black w/a reel full of Trump tales. But did he keep a diary?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. Stories like this take on lives of their own.

    For example, back when I was teaching senior English about fifteen years ago, one day I was called to the principal’s office and accused of showing pornography to my students. What?! “Where did you get this film?” he sternly demanded to know. Um, from the school library. It was a King Arthur movie. I followed the curriculum guide, put it in my lesson plans, and checked it out, like every other senior English teacher before me had done for years. But now I’m a pornographer?

    Once accused, always guilty. That’s how it goes in this malformed culture. I was like, yeah, Guinevere has an affair with Lancelot, that’s the whole point of the story, but there’s no explicit sex scene in the movie. Didn’t matter. A high school girl said it was pornography.

    That really is all it takes, when the accusation is the crime. Next thing you know, I was being accused of harassing female students, even to the extent that I was having an affair with one. It was so ridiculous, so insane. All I did was follow the curriculum guide and check out a video from the school library.

    Women lie. Girls make up stories and accusations. Any man or woman who does not know this is an idiot.

    I share Dana’s skepticism of Carroll’s account of the “rape.” Because my mother says, “What was she thinking, going into a dressing room to put on lingerie with a man she hardly knew?”

    Yeah, good question. But then my mother is from a different era; she doesn’t understand the modern girl. She keeps asking, “What is wrong with these girls?” I’ve been asking that question since I was fifteen.

    She met Elvis Presley once. Yeah, he came to San Antonio to perform on the Grand Old Opry in 1956. She and her girlfriends from high school attended the concert, and they were determined to go backstage and meet Elvis. To this day, she says the greatest regret she has in her life is that she didn’t kiss Elvis when she had the chance. All of her friends did, but she was too shy and settled for an autograph.

    When she talks about modern girls, I ask her, “Is there anyone who could have prevented you from meeting Elvis Presley?” And she says, “No.”

    That’s the point. Elvis had talent, charisma and charm. And the man could really sing. I got to see him live when I was 11. Then Elvis was at his peak. It was about a month before the Alohah from Hawaii concert, which was the first world satellite broadcast–70% of the television sets on the planet turned on for that. Elvis played in San Antonio, and my mother took her four children to that concert. It was incredible, really; I’ve been to a lot of concerts, but I have never seen anyone so command an audience like Elvis.

    This is what I’m talking about. Talent attracts attention. Rock stars have girls running after them. Someone like Paul McCartney or Mick Jagger can’t leave his house without being assaulted.

    Someone like Trump can only dream of that kind of following. He thinks that just being rich makes him attractive, but it does not. And the only women he has ever been involved with were only concerned with the money, not him. He’s a weak mark, and his third wife Melania knows it.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  53. “Rape is sexy”, Will Kamala will leap on this line for 20/20 traction?

    mg (8cbc69)

  54. She basically said rape is sexy and then hit on Anderson Cooper.

    Time for rape accuser re-load.

    harkin (58d012) — 6/24/2019 @ 9:30 pm

    Well, there are more than a dozen other women accusing him of sexual assault. So if you don’t find her credible there are others to choose from.

    Time123 (dba73f)

  55. How many paid by Lisa bloom, is she in jail yet. I would say CNN is at mariannas level but there are always kaiju.

    Narciso (30eb7e)

  56. Well, there are more than a dozen other women accusing him of sexual assault.

    No, there are not. The only other one besides this Fifth Avenue Fantasist has been his first wife Ivana.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. She hanging it with some Italian gigolo, damon,

    Narciso (30eb7e)

  58. E. Jean And The Bodice Rippers Of Broadway, A Mystery.

    Just from the title of her book, What Do We Need Men For?, you can tell that the market for it is women whose relationships with men are mostly in their imaginations, so she spiced it up with a rape fantasy — one that the major media who have a hard-on for Trump would seize on and publicize. The drawback to that is why do they need to buy the book now?

    nk (dbc370)

  59. Four years of accusations and denials….who could have predicted this?!

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  60. Katie Pavlich
    @KatiePavlich
    WOW: CNN didn’t post portion of the interview when E. Jean Carroll says she doesn’t consider what happened between her & Trump to be rape or sexual assault, also didn’t post the part where she said rape is “sexy”

    _

    Imagine that.
    _

    harkin (58d012)

  61. Only Fox and The Washington Examiner have it in their internet headlines. None of the others.

    nk (dbc370)

  62. The fact that Trump handled this stupidly and is in general a douche bag does not make her story credible. It is full of holes, and has zero credibility.

    Just one hole: she claims they were together in Bergdorf Goodman, he was shopping for lingerie (that already is very dubious) and asked her for advice. (Ditto). Then she claims they went together into the ladies’ dressing room for her to try it on, and he raped her there.

    The notion that a 6′ 3″ man in a suit just waltzes into a ladies’ dressing room in a high-end Manhattan department store, and no one there says anything, is fantastical. And that no one heard them there is even more absurd.

    It didn’t happen. The woman is a flake looking to sell books.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  63. 1. Trump lies. So no credibility.

    2. Access Hollywood tape makes Trump sound like the sort of guy who would thrust himself on a woman, assuming in his own lizard brain that she really wanted it.

    3. She told two people about this at the time, who told her she should file charges. She didn’t.

    3. This woman claims she has had harassment/rape situations with 21 men (a lot of them famous) in her book. So, maybe she stretches the truth some.

    4. There is no physical evidence anywhere. The story — um, if Donald Trump asks you to model lingerie for him — I mean, really! And into the woman’s dressing room? Um, maybe if you were at the Trump Tower, where he has control of the space…But, does this make sense?

    Conclusion. If you hate Trump, you know he did it. If you love Trump, you know he didn’t rape her or anything else. If you don’t let your politics do your thinking for you, you have no idea, nor are you ever going to have an idea.

    Which means — don’t get angry if it’s not a big story, Libs. You have no place to go with it. And, don’t get angry if this lady makes the rounds of Maddow, CNN, etc, Cons. It’s a new way to hate on Trump, and that’s important to ratings.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  64. Just one hole: she claims they were together in Bergdorf Goodman, he was shopping for lingerie (that already is very dubious) and asked her for advice. (Ditto). Then she claims they went together into the ladies’ dressing room for her to try it on, and he raped her there.

    The shopping for lingerie angle, if isolated from the other alleged events, may at a minimum reinforce the nk theory of “Roy Cohn boy-toy” but likely nothing beyond that.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  65. Katie Pavlich
    @KatiePavlich
    WOW: CNN didn’t post portion of the interview when E. Jean Carroll says she doesn’t consider what happened between her & Trump to be rape or sexual assault, also didn’t post the part where she said rape is “sexy”
    _

    Imagine that.
    _

    harkin (58d012) — 6/25/2019 @ 7:12 am

    Links from that tweet:
    Shot – https://t.co/86iroQPcou
    Chaser – https://t.co/qtg4rnBkDn

    Lawd… credibility is even worse than Blasey Ford’s. And that’s saying something…

    whembly (51f28e)

  66. The shopping for lingerie angle, if isolated from the other alleged events, may at a minimum reinforce the nk theory of “Roy Cohn boy-toy” but likely nothing beyond that.

    I’m guessing it was for Rudy.

    Dave (1bb933)

  67. # 63 “If you don’t let your politics do your thinking for you, you have no idea, nor are you ever going to have an idea.”

    I don’t understand your logic. The fact that Trump, in general, lacks credibility, and the AH tape, does not mean I cannot assess this particular story.

    Is Trump, in general, someone who might rape someone? Maybe.

    Does this particular story hold water? Nope.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  68. CNN still totally clueless. Imagine posting this post-Anderson Cooper fiasco:


    Brian Stelter
    @brianstelter
    5h
    Fox’s newscasts and talk shows have barely mentioned E. Jean Carroll’s newly published allegation that Trump sexually assaulted her in the 1990s.

    harkin (58d012)

  69. It may be that her story is bogus. It is definitely the case that Donald Trump’s denials of anything are worthless. His word about anything is worthless. He lies prolifically about small things that are easy to check. The claim that he would never lie to us about anything important is daft.

    Trump has boasted of getting away with things because he’s such a star. It’s almost funny to see Trumpistas keep repeating the “they let you” part of the Billy Bush tape and completely ignoring the context, and claiming that he was speaking of “consensual” behavior. They disregard Trump’s gargantuan ego, his view of himself as so awesome that any woman should welcome his advances.

    Other women have accused Trump of unwanted touching — a hand up the skirt; kissing on the mouth; etc. One of those incidents involved someone working on his campaign. It adds up to a pattern — much as the multiple complaints against Bill Clinton did. In Trump’s case there is also a creepy way of talking about women, and his purchase of beauty pageants so he could give himself opportunity to barge in on naked teenage girls. (Apologists answer that he “was allowed” to do it – as if someone else gave him permission!)

    A lot of people threw their enthusiastic, zealous support behind someone obviously amoral, greedy, egocentric, vindictive, chronically dishonest. They kept saying “We knew we were voting for a flawed man [so shut up about his flaws].” And now they purport to be outraged that anyone would accuse him of doing bad things.

    Radegunda (1db015)

  70. A key line from a People magazine story about Natasha Stoynoff’s very unpleasant encounter with Donald Trump:
    “Stoynoff’s former journalism professor, Paul McLaughlin, says that the writer called him in tears looking for advice the very night of the harrowing encounter. However, he cautioned her to remain quiet in fear of how Trump may retaliate.” (emphasis mine)

    I’ve seen that before, including stories about the reporting on Trump’s business practices, and failures. Trump threatens people who go against his desires and interests and ego.

    A British journalist said that Trump harassed her for years after she turned down his advances. She wasn’t claiming physical assault, as I recall, but a long pattern of verbal harassment and efforts to destroy her career.

    Trump is also known for his extremely strict NDAs. He doesn’t want people to talk about what he’s really like. And there’s that applause line at the convention: “he hits back TEN TIMES as hard!”

    Yet when 16 women publicly accuse Trump of abuse (several of them with corroborating witnesses), we’re supposed to believe they’re all just making it up – and only Trump is telling the truth?

    Radegunda (1db015)

  71. President Trump is without sin. He told us so himself.

    “Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?”
    Donald Trump – July 22, 2015

    Dave (1bb933)

  72. 49. There was a long story in the New York Post abot steve dunleavy with pictures, but nit how he died, or not much but in the Daily News it said that he died at home, suddenly, and peaceably and they don’t know the cause. He was one of the Australians brought here by Rupert Murdoch.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  73. If anyone is going to believe every story (and not try to weigh the evidence which means at least not saying anything definite if it not clear) then you would have to believe that story in anew book about Martin Luter King Jr. standing next anotehr minister raping someone and encouraging it. Supposedly heard on an FBI wiretap that is scxheduled to be released in 2027, but the authtor was informed of what is on it now.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  74. #70

    The story id that numerous women have accused Trump of sexual harassment in varying degrees, and Trump has verified, in that Access Hollywood tape that, yeah, he does that kind of stuff. He got elected anyway.

    The addition of a new case, to put it mildly, does not change the story. The addition of this case – where someone makes charges against a lot of men, and adds Trump to the mix…Well, I don’t see why this needs to be a breathless story, and why Fox needs to spend a lot of time with it.

    This is the problem with electing this guy. He is manifestly unfit. He will always be unfit. No matter how Socialist the Dems get in 2020, Trump will be unfit.

    But, one additional alleged, and self-serving unverifiable after years assertion doesn’t really add much to his overall unfitness. Nor will it change the dynamic in Washington.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  75. From one of the Post stories on Dunleavy:

    Veteran Post columnist Steve Cuozzo recalled the time Dunleavy phoned the newsroom on a Saturday morning and told the assistant who answered, “Mate, this is Dunleavy. Take down this number.”
    After reciting the digits, Dunleavy had the assistant repeat them to him.

    “Great. Now call me back and tell me where I am,” Dunleavy replied.
    _

    harkin (58d012)

  76. This all reminds me of when Glenn Wreck had a 9-11 truther who was running for Texas governor on his show back in 2010.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  77. 96% OT – hey, clown car occupants – its time to swoop in for that dejected Body Positive vote tonight. On the other hand, an age-appropriate prospective third lady, like the advice columnist wished she had become, might have resulted in a 400 EV tally.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  78. Speaking of the clown car…..

    Roque Planas
    @RoqPlanas
    Elizabeth Warren: Repeal the law that criminalizes migrants
    __ _

    Chris Becnel
    @ChrisBecnel1
    Soooo open boarders…got it
    __ _

    Dan Goldwasser
    @dgoldwas
    But don’t you DARE suggest the Dems want open borders. No no, not at all.

    _

    harkin (0d51ee)

  79. Nor will it change the dynamic in Washington.

    Perhaps not. But legions of Trump apologists have already changed the dynamic by making it very clear that their moral indignation over Democrats’ sins is hypocritical, and that there is virtually nothing Trump could do that they would not defend or brush away – or simply deny, regardless of evidence.

    Trump and his defenders have turned the GOP into the party that explicitly doesn’t care about the character of leaders, and that sees nothing wrong with presidential lies if they’re “trivial” – and if the president is named Donald Trump.

    Radegunda (1db015)

  80. “If it were any other president facing an accusation of rape, I would think it bizarre of him to use his accuser’s looks to bolster his claims of innocence. How could I possibly be guilty? I mean, have you seen her?”

    Our esteemed President was a beauty contest judge, and beauty contest judges have standards. Standards that we could definitely stand to see applied in this age of aesthetic neglect.

    It’s well known that People of Telegenic Deficiency like this particular accuser and Bernie Sanders have rape fantasies that they constantly attempt to get others to validate, in much the same way that aging autogynephiles demand to be called ‘women’ or aging prostitutes called ‘Congressman’.

    And it is far past time to stop the enabling politeness that enabled the ugly in body and soul to wage their decades-long assault on public decency for the sake of their private fetishes.

    Face Controller (4fb67f)

  81. 71: “President Trump is without sin. He told us so himself.”

    It’s puzzling why the apologists are so blind to that very obvious quality of Trump: He doesn’t recognize any capacity for wrongdoing in himself. By his standard, whatever he does for his own purposes, in his own interest, simply cannot be ethically wrong. And whatever someone else does that goes against his advantage is ipso facto wrong, horrible, nasty, etc.

    It isn’t just that Trump is “flawed, like everyone.” It’s that he so clearly lacks a moral conscience.

    Radegunda (1db015)

  82. 82

    It isn’t just that Trump is “flawed, like everyone.” It’s that he so clearly lacks a moral conscience.

    He’s just like that psychopath down the street. Every small town has one.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  83. Carroll certainly wasn’t Bush 41’s type. Way too old.

    https://time.com/5019182/george-hw-bush-groping-allegation/

    But, unlike Trump, Bush had a “moral conscience”, so it’s all good.

    Munroe (0a96e9)

  84. It’s a new bullet point for a well-thumbed and oft-amended list of Trump’s morality/character failures. In the short term it will sell books and help the Dems fundraise. By the 2020 presidential debates it will assuredly be a footnote, at best, in some briefing book as reference material if needed.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  85. “It’s puzzling why the apologists are so blind to that very obvious quality of Trump: He doesn’t recognize any capacity for wrongdoing in himself.”

    What’s puzzling is how many people can’t see that so many people thought they were voting for the lesser of two evils and have yet to be shown otherwise.

    harkin (58d012)

  86. Trump is unique. All kinds of imperfect people have been elected President, but people demanded that they rise to the dignity of the Office and they did. Trump has escaped that demand. His supporters love him for remaining a scum-bucket.

    nk (dbc370)

  87. so google and facebook are conspiring to lock out dissident voices, because crimethink, I noted the events in airship one, because even after the verdict, the times and the express, refused to cover the court reversal, lila rose is unpersonned, those who refer to this, are likewise treated, but this garbage get 10 point type,

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. Donald Trump is a scumbag. Donald Trump is President. As shocking a concept as that is, two things can be true at once.

    It’s well known that People of Telegenic Deficiency like this particular accuser and Bernie Sanders have rape fantasies that they constantly attempt to get others to validate, in much the same way that aging autogynephiles demand to be called ‘women’ or aging prostitutes called ‘Congressman’.

    And it is far past time to stop the enabling politeness that enabled the ugly in body and soul to wage their decades-long assault on public decency for the sake of their private fetishes.

    And with quotes like this, it proves that in at least one respect, Hillary Clinton was right, “basket of deplorables.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c)

  89. https://www.commentarymagazine.com/american-society/ny-times-shouldnt-apologize-for-e-jean-carroll-coverage

    Carroll claims she told two of her friends about the attack at the time it occurred. New York Magazine and the New York Times spoke with those friends, both of whom confirmed Carol’s account of events but refused to go on the record.

    You know, this could be a hoax, and these two friends could be in on it.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  90. Stoynoff’s former journalism professor, Paul McLaughlin

    So John Podhoretz was out of date?

    says that the writer called him in tears looking for advice the very night of the harrowing encounter.

    Does he have a date?

    However, he cautioned her to remain quiet in fear of how Trump may retaliate.”

    This is consistent with the New York Magazine story so he is one of the two sources- the one whose sex was not given. The other urged her to report it as a rape, she says..

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  91. 74.

    Trump has verified, in that Access Hollywood tape that, yeah, he does that kind of stuff.

    No, he said he was lying in that tape, and indeed its very implausible (that they would let him do it)

    You have to accept both parts of it,if you accept it as verifiable truth.

    The Clinton campaign came up with a woman or two who said he he did that, but they didn’t say they let him do it. Well, maybe not openly. Openly they had Miss Venezuela.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  92. appaled #63

    2. Access Hollywood tape makes Trump sound like the sort of guy who would thrust himself on a woman, assuming in his own lizard brain that she really wanted it.

    The claim in the tape is that it was a real fact that they wanted it. Why? Because he was a star. And Billy Bush could do that too if he became a big enough star and they would let him.

    When this became public he said it was “locker room talk” = a lie. Which is about as close as Donald Trumphas come to admitting he lied.

    3. She told two people about this at the time, who told her she should file charges. She didn’t

    No, the story is one did and one counseled against it.

    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)

  93. how many people can’t see that so many people thought they were voting for the lesser of two evils

    I’m speaking about:
    1. Those who zealously supported Trump in the primaries, and reacted with great hostility to any criticism of Trump.
    2. The larger number who now get into a pseudo-righteous rage over any criticism of Trump — as though we the citizens should just shut up about the misdeeds of the president and never call attention to his multitudinous lies.
    3. The people who have basically divided their moral world into pro-Trump vs. anti-Trump, and who regard anything less than unconditional support for Trump as a moral defect, or a “derangement.”
    4. The people who will vocally justify anything Trump does, even if it’s something they held to be intolerable when done by a Democrat.

    It should not be considered unacceptable to criticize the president just because he was running against Hillary Clinton three years ago.

    Radegunda (1db015)

  94. Find a legitimate source of criticism, I think the Palestinian piece proposal is foolish wasting of 50 billion dollars, I’m not crazy about the tariffs, so they are not unheard off,

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. It’s one thing to have voted for Trump in 2016 “because Hillary …” It’s another to keep covering for his dishonesty and pretending that his irrational and grossly self-serving tweets etc. say nothing about the real motives and priorities of the man.

    Radegunda (1db015)

  96. #95 — so it’s okay to disapprove of some particular policy, but not okay to point out a pattern of egregious, bald-faced lies or to wonder why we should ever trust Trump on anything?

    Radegunda (1db015)

  97. Is it really “illegitimate” to note that we can’t believe a word that comes out of the president’s mouth? Or to notice that his weird pronouncements and erratic behavior do have an effect in the world? Is it “illegitimate” to observe that the public behavior of Trump has uglified every policy he promotes?

    Radegunda (1db015)

  98. #95: Does “legitimate” mean: “It’s okay to criticize things I’m concerned about, but not to criticize anything I don’t care about”?

    Radegunda (1db015)

  99. hohum, that is the same tenor, the same note, we hear all the time,

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. Trump wasn’t a beauty contest judge. He was a beauty contest owner, who paid contestants to have boob jobs and wandered randomly through their dressing rooms backstage. This suggests a completely different set of standards, one that emphasizes the power/supplicant relationship common to serial sexual abusers.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  101. He sold the Miss Universe/Miss USA/Miss Teen USA [shudder] pageants in 2015, for those arguing “But hey, he’s been chaste since 2006 ….”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  102. (Meant to include this link as part of #102.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  103. 95, Jay sekulow thought the PA agreement the deal of the century, but then again, his radio show has the background noise common to telethons, qvc specials, mortgage scams and boiler rooms.

    urbanleftbehind (6f8e50)

  104. I have my reservations, if the money man behind munich is going to have anything to do with it,

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06/24/trump-executive-order-aims-for-more-hospital-pricing-transparency/

    narciso (d1f714)

  105. @87. Yep.

    Just like JR Ewing; ‘the bad boy everybody loves or loves to hate.’ Perfect fit for a time when Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. Spoiler alert: J.R. Ewing was a fictional character.

    Dave (1bb933)

  107. Installment 978,654,321 of Poop or Get Off the Pot:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/why-chris-christie-still-supports-trump/592483/

    urbanleftbehind (6f8e50)

  108. @107. Reality check: and so is “The Donald.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. @108. Meh. Even Rick Perry kissed brass and got a gig; Jumbo’s been Jarred: ‘Desperately Seeking Losing’… soon to be named Trump’s “Acting Ambassador to Antarctica.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. Spoiler alert: J.R. Ewing was a fictional character.

    Reality check: and so is “The Donald.”

    No he’s not.

    Do you understand that there’s an important difference between fiction and reality?

    Dave (1bb933)

  111. de·lu·sion·al
    [dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl]

    ADJECTIVE
    characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

    Dave (1bb933)

  112. What’s puzzling is how many people can’t see that so many people thought they were voting for the lesser of two evils and have yet to be shown otherwise

    No, what’s puzzling is the many people who try to pretend* that the lesser evil is actually a positive good.

    *or perhaps actually believe, God have mercy on them.

    Kishnevi (d99923)

  113. No wonder he and Spanky are such great pals:

    Rep. Duncan Hunter used campaign funds for affairs, prosecutors say

    Embattled Rep. Duncan Hunter used campaign funds to pay for extramarital affairs with lobbyists and congressional staffers, prosecutors in California alleged in a court filing Monday.

    His wife pleaded guilty to conspiracy to steal campaign funds a week or two ago.

    Dave (1bb933)

  114. @111. Yes. ‘The Donald’ is.

    Someday you’ll figure that out about showmen, entertainers and con artists; they never are what they appear to be.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. As I said so many times in 2016, both Hillary and Trump pegged my “Unfitness” meter. It’s pointless to argue which arrow was pushing harder against the peg.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  116. @114. Dickie’ Dunkin’ Hunter and his conservative family values; who rec’d 52% of the vote in his constituency he represents ’round San Diego way.

    “Friend of the working girl!” – “Doc” [William Powell] ‘Mister Roberts’ 1955

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. Someday you’ll figure that out about showmen, entertainers and con artists; they never are what they appear to be.

    Donald Trump is exactly what he appears to be: raw sewage.

    And President of the United States, thanks in part to you.

    Dave (1bb933)

  118. Anti_Trumpers will stop at nothing to destroy Trump. Because they are full of “Grand principles” and “Ethics”. LOL.

    When some Establishment RINO get the same treatment as Trump, with a mystery women popping up to accuse them of rape 30 years ago, I will laugh my butt off.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  119. Nothing in her story is believable – but never trumpers like David French or Bill Kristol believe it. I’m surprised Mitt Rommney hasn’t weighed in to shake his finger at Trump, and blather about how “women never lie”.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  120. @118. Yes, it’s working out faster and better than one could have dreamed, Dave. Original ‘Dallas‘ ran 12 seasons for a reason; The Donald will do 8, easy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. @118. Postscript; ‘The Sweet Smell of Success’ Dave. “Raw sewage” makes for good fertilizer; we’ve seen what it has killed… watch what grows.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. Mitt Romney: “It’s a very serious allegation,” Romney said, according to CNN. “I hope that it is fully evaluated. The President said it didn’t happen and I certainly hope that’s the case.”

    Mitt Romney – what a skunk he is. Asks Trump for $$ – 2012. Calls him a racist/bigot/homophobe -2016. Asks him for Sec of State Job – Jan 2017. Asks Trump for Endorsement – October 2018. Attacks Trump in Wapo – Jan 2019. Now this! I guess you can lie and be a backstabbing weasel and its A_OK, because you wear a pious expression and say you’re a devout Mormon. He makes me want to puke!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  123. Hopefully, there’s a Republican Gal with an itch for publicity out there. I wonder who Biden knew 30 years ago?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  124. When some Establishment RINO get the same treatment as Trump, with a mystery women popping up to accuse them of rape 30 years ago, I will laugh my butt off.

    Do they need to have publicly bragged about doing what they’re accused of, on video tape, or is that part optional?

    Dave (3c40e2)

  125. @125. Sorry you’re unhappy, Dave.

    There is a solution: next cycle, you should vote for a Democrat. Two dozen to pick from these days. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  126. @124. If there are, they may be dead; like the senators he keeps referencing he ‘worked with.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  127. “Do they need to have publicly bragged about doing what they’re accused of, on video tape, or is that part optional?”
    Dave (3c40e2) — 6/25/2019 @ 5:33 pm

    Forget bragging. How about straight up admitting it?

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/26/560148936/george-h-w-bush-acknowledges-groping-multiple-women

    Munroe (4b3eb4)

  128. @123. They may be on the level but the oaks on him…

    “I talk to the trees; but they don’t listen to me…” – ‘Pardner’ [Clint Eastwood] ‘Paint Your Wagon’ 1969

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. You know there’s a fifty-fifty chance that Trump is paying all these women who have accused him of sexual advances to tell these stories, right? In order to paint him as a confirmed heterosexual. Aren’t you suspicious of the coincidence of E. Jean Carroll starting her a publicity tour just four days after Pete Buttigieg said that there has been a gay President?

    nk (dbc370)

  130. Correction @91

    What I quoted there from 70. was about the Natasha Stoynoff accusation from 2016, not the E Jean Carroll one this year. So the two people who back Carroll up are still anonymous.

    But indeed, in her story, one said report it and the other said don’t (but they were both identified as women, and the one said don’t was a journalist – in fact they both were: Here it is:

    Yes. I told two close friends. The first, a journalist, magazine writer, correspondent on the TV morning shows, author of many books, etc., begged me to go to the police.

    “He raped you,” she kept repeating when I called her. “He raped you. Go to the police! I’ll go with you. We’ll go together.”

    My second friend is also a journalist, a New York anchorwoman. She grew very quiet when I told her, then she grasped both my hands in her own and said, “Tell no one. Forget it! He has 200 lawyers. He’ll bury you.” (Two decades later, both still remember the incident clearly and confirmed their accounts to New York.)

    So one said report it, andd she’ll go with her, but no longer.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  131. nk @130 I don’t think that’s the case. He’s no Michael Jackson. Should we want to do DNA tests on his children?

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  132. Do they need to have publicly bragged about doing what they’re accused of, on video tape, or is that part optional?

    No, we just need to do to the Democrats and RINO’s what they’re doing to Trump and anyone they dislike. Just get some Republican Gal with a thirst for publicity and a vague memory of being assaulted by them. Just make it vague and disprovable Girls!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  133. 123. I think Trump lied, through Michael Cohen, about how much money he raised for Mitt Romney.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  134. I just should have included Democrats in that last post. As shown by Jeff Flake, and his scared Rabbit routine during the Kavanaugh Hearings, all you need with RINO’s like Mitt Romney is a couple of aggressive Conservative gals with some loud voices and some slogans.

    They’ll be resigning from Congress or quitting the campaign trail before you know it!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  135. Forget bragging. How about straight up admitting it?

    It wasn’t rape, or anything close to it, but let me amaze and astound you with an idea you may have never considered:

    Admitting when you’ve done wrong, taking responsibility for your mistakes, expressing remorse for the hurt and distress you’ve thoughtlessly caused other people, humbly and sincerely asking for their forgiveness … these are good things. They’re what a decent, honest, moral (if still imperfect) man does.

    Dave (1bb933)

  136. 134 -Mitt has been known for his shady business dealing AND his shady -flip-flopping politics and lies about opponents.

    Yet, he always has some weird Preacher like halo around him. Never got it. Guess that squeaky clean IMAGE can hide a lot of dirt.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  137. Personally, I prefer an honest rouge to an Elmer Gantry.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  138. 136. That sounds like what somebody enrolled in a 12-step program is supposed to do.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  139. Never trumper position: Sure, E.Jean Carroll is a nut, and has no proof. But “Orange Man Bad” so he’s to blame – some how.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  140. In he Access Hollywood tapem Trump wasn’t deluding himself that women let him. He was lying to Billy Bush.

    Now there’s another thing he said there: He aaid he tried to seduce a married woman but failed.

    That’s probably true, especially since he specially asserts it is true.

    In 2016, Democrats didn’t make much of it since it wouldn’t have been a violation of the penal code. (or, if adultery is not officially repealed, is a dead letter everywhere except in the military, and then he didn’t actually do it with that woman.)

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  141. I think Trump lied, through Michael Cohen, about how much money he raised for Mitt Romney.

    I looked it up.

    When I first checked on opensecrets.org, it showed no donations to Romney in 2012, which agreed with another site I had seen. But if you enter the search just right, it shows Trump donated the maximum (~$4.5K for the election cycle).

    It may not seem like a lot, but that’s 1/30 of a sweaty tumble with a porn actress other than your wife!

    Dave (1bb933)

  142. They’ll be resigning from Congress or quitting the campaign trail before you know it!

    That’s a plan! It’s working out so great for Trump in the House, let’s do it in the Senate too.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. “They’re what a decent, honest, moral (if still imperfect) man does.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 6/25/2019 @ 6:41 pm

    Agreed. If only Bush had done that. He didn’t.

    Munroe (68024b)

  144. Agreed. If only Bush had done that. He didn’t.

    Yes he did.

    Dave (1bb933)

  145. “Yes he did.”
    Dave (1bb933) — 6/25/2019 @ 7:10 pm

    At age 93, President Bush has been confined to a wheelchair for roughly five years, so his arm falls on the lower waist of people with whom he takes pictures. To try to put people at ease, the president routinely tells the same joke — and on occasion, he has patted women’s rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner.

    LOL. One of the victims was 16, groped while he was standing next to her.

    Munroe (052192)

  146. A pup tent is whats needs to accomidate the run and hide republican party.

    mg (8cbc69)

  147. Perfect Mittens response to Trump talk about asking him for $$. “Trump never gave me a cent”.

    Why wasn’t that response given? Because Trump gave him $$ and support. But as Trump stated, Mitt died like a dog at the end. lost his nerve. Gave up. Given Mitten’s support for Hillary in 2016, maybe he was throwing the race in 2012. Who knows?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  148. mittens has houses all over the country. I mean what is he? A moderate Michigan Boy, a Massachusetts liberal. a Conservative Utahan? He’s everything and nothing. But he went “back” to Utah, because he couldn’t get elected anywhere else. Nobody wants what he’s selling – except Utah.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  149. But as Trump stated, Mitt died like a dog at the end. lost his nerve. Gave up.

    Actually, what “Trump stated” was that Romney lost because his immigration plan was too “mean-spirited”:

    Donald Trump: Mean-Spirited GOP Won’t Win Elections (26 November 2012)

    Given Mitten’s support for Hillary in 2016, maybe he was throwing the race in 2012. Who knows?

    He should have endorsed and supported her eight years earlier, like Trump did.

    Dave (1bb933)

  150. Rogue = a scamp, or a back-stabber.

    Rouge = a cosmetic used to simulate the blush one ought develop naturally after misspelling rogue.

    I used to drive a rogue in EverQuest, and have pointed this out more times than I can possibly count.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  151. Or as they say in the state to my east, “Many rogues live in Baton Rouge [the state capital], but none have the decency to blush.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  152. Beldar (fa637a) — 6/25/2019 @ 7:49 pm

    That wasn’t even the worst spelling mistake in the post.

    He misspelled “sociopathic” as “honest”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  153. Off-topic but unquestionably Trumpy: Mueller agrees to testify before 2 House committees in July.

    Not mentioned: Mueller will bring two large signs, and his testimony will consist solely of alternating between them. One says, “Read my report; everything I have to say is there.”

    The other says, “See previous sign.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  154. used to drive a rogue in EverQuest, and have pointed this out more times than I can possibly count.

    I told you I was a bad typist.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  155. If @MittRomney spent the same energy fighting Barack Obama as he does fighting Donald Trump, he could have won the race (maybe)!

    rcocean (1a839e)

  156. Dave, I can’t possibly fathom what you mean. My #151 & #152 were mere public service announcements directed to all readers here. I live but to serve.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  157. I don’t blame anyone for supporting Obama in 2008. We had open borders, Mr. Amnesty, Mr. Warmonger John McCain – as the alternative. McCain was going to run a Bi-partisan administration with Joe Lieberman (Al Gore’s running mate) as his Secretary of State or AG.

    His first choice for Sec of Treasury was Sen. Phil Graham – Mr. Bankster himself.

    I don’t blame Trump – at all.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  158. Mittens couldn’t win in Cow Hampshire either, even with all the land around Lake Winnipesaukee.

    mg (8cbc69)

  159. If Utah hadn’t panned out, Romney might have eligibility in Mexico (G. Romney was born in a Mormon colony in the northern Chihuahua state), but he’d probably be a malcontent like Vicente Fox rather than a shirking violent like AMLO.

    urbanleftbehind (6f8e50)

  160. Violet, though violen-t could also apply with Mexican Corbyn.

    urbanleftbehind (6f8e50)

  161. I don’t blame anyone for supporting Obama in 2008.

    Trump didn’t support Obama in 2008. He supported and endorsed Clinton.

    I don’t blame Trump – at all.

    Of course you don’t.

    Dave (1bb933)

  162. Truck Fump! Miss Jean is more interesting. She talks just like Ann Landers used to — as though through ill-fitting dentures. Is it an advice columnist thing, do you think, or a side effect of plastic surgery?

    nk (dbc370)

  163. Train wrecks are always interesting. But when you mix in bodice ripping soft porn rape fantasy, the wreck gets all gooey and unsanitary

    steveg (354706)

  164. Who cares. People believe the survival of society itself is at stake. No one cares if Trump raped someone. Trump is blowing up all the little orthodoxies of traditional conservatism. Moral virtue, honesty, integrity, faith, religion, family? LOL. “family values?” cute. that was a cute one.

    JRH (88fcd8)

  165. Who cares. People believe the survival of society itself is at stake. No one cares if Trump raped someone. Trump is blowing up all the little orthodoxies of traditional conservatism. Moral virtue, honesty, integrity, faith, religion, family? LOL. “family values?” cute. that was a cute one.

    JRH (88fcd8) — 6/26/2019 @ 3:02 am

    It is a bit sad to know that neither party cares about the moral character of their presidential nominee.

    Time123 (441f53)

  166. SF: I think Trump lied, through Michael Cohen, about how much money he raised for Mitt Romney.

    142. Dave (1bb933) — 6/25/2019 @ 6:55 pm

    I looked it up.

    When I first checked on opensecrets.org, it showed no donations to Romney in 2012, which agreed with another site I had seen. But if you enter the search just right, it shows Trump donated the maximum (~$4.5K for the election cycle).

    It may not seem like a lot, but that’s 1/30 of a sweaty tumble with a porn actress other than your wife!

    Yes, but I am not talking about that. Cohen claimed that Trump donated, or raised from others, “mega-millions” to pro-Romney super PACs.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/09/trumps-donations

    We reached the aide who made the claims, Michael Cohen, an executive vice-president of the Trump Organization who has advised him on his political ambitions. He declined to talk to OpenSecrets blog about his comments. He did reiterate the claim that donations had been made to super PACs, but staunchly refused to discuss what organizations they had been given to, or when they were made….

    …Cohen made several other claims to BusinessInsider that we also tried to factcheck. Cohen told the website that his client had maxed out his personal contributions to Romney’s campaign, as had three of his children. We found no evidence to support that.

    According to FEC data, current through the end of July, Trump himself has only given Romney $2,500, and no other members of his immediate family have given to the campaign. Cohen told BusinessInsider the donations were made through the joint victory fund the Romney campaign operates with the Republican National Committee, though — another layer of paperwork that could hold up disclosure.
    But the donations would have to have been relatively recent.

    CRP Senior Fellow Bob Biersack said that it’s possible that if the Trumps gave their donations to Romney via the joint fundraising committee in either July or August, that money may not have been distributed to the campaign yet, as the victory fund has a large cash balance. But, if that’s the case, he said, the donations will likely appear in the Sept. 20 filings…

    The most intriguing claim that Cohen made to the business website was that Trump was a bundler for Romney — someone who convinces others to give donations to the campaign. Cohen claims that Trump has raised “mega-millions” for Romney. This is, again, possible, but not verifiable. Romney refuses to disclose his list of bundlers — the first presidential campaign since 2000 to not disclose their list of these elite fundraisers — with the exception of those who are registered lobbyists.

    This is the Sept. 5, 2012 Business Insider referenced in that Sept 6. 2012 Open Secrets post:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-romney-super-pac-donations-2012-9

    Some of the possibilities will have been made public later, and this could come out informally, but it will require some creativity to find some follow-up past early September 2012.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  167. The E Jean Carroll story was initially on the New York Post website on Friday but then removed because Col Allan didn’t want it in the paper.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-new-york-post-rupert-murdoch-donald-trump-20190625-6e5pmsm3mjeqzjqumz23h23a7m-story.html

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  168. Another possible problem with her account:

    The man snatches the bodysuit up and says: “Go try this on!”

    Could that, in fact, be tried on without purchasing? (Could it be returned, if unsatisfactory?)

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

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