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9/23/2018

Still More Lack of Corroboration for Christine Blasey Ford

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:43 am

It doesn’t mean she’s lying, but you can add it to the growing list of potential corroborating facts that aren’t panning out:

CNN has learned that the committee has reached out to a longtime friend of Ford named Leland Ingham Keyser.

“I understand that you have been identified as an individual who was in attendance at a party that occurred circa 1982 described in a recent Washington Post article,” a committee staffer wrote Keyser earlier this week.

On Saturday night, her lawyer, Howard Walsh, released a statement to CNN and the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“Simply put,” Walsh said, “Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.”

It’s still not clear to me where the suggestion originated that Ford claims Keyser was at the party. The CNN report attributes it to a staffer but I don’t know where the staffer got that information. (Keep in mind that, to my knowledge, Sen. Grassley and other Republican senators still don’t have an unredacted copy of Ford’s letter sent to Feinstein.)

Meanwhile, what to make of this? The Washington Post interviewed Ford and quoted her as claiming that she was worried when Trump was elected because Kavanaugh had been mentioned as a possible replacement for Scalia. Here’s the beginning of their piece:

When Donald Trump won his upset presidential victory in 2016, Christine Blasey Ford’s thoughts quickly turned to a name most Americans had never heard of but one that had unsettled her for years: Brett M. Kavanaugh.

Kavanaugh — a judge on the prestigious U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit — was among those mentioned as a possible replacement for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in 2016. When Trump nominated Neil M. Gorsuch, Ford was relieved but still uneasy.

Just one problem: as Alex Pappas notes, Kavanaugh was not on Trump’s list when he was elected. The original list of names released in September 2016 included only these 11 people: Keith Blackwell, Charles Canady, Steven Colloton, Allison Eid, Neil Gorsuch, Raymond Gruender, Thomas Hardiman, Raymond Kethledge, Joan Larsen, Mike Lee, and Thomas Lee. Gorsuch was picked from the list and was confirmed in April 2017. In November 2017, more a year after the election, five more names were added: Amy Coney Barrett, Britt Grant, Brett Kavanaugh, Kevin Newsom, and Patrick Wyrick.

None of this means that it’s impossible that Kavanaugh was mentioned as a dark horse replacement option for Scalia somewhere. But if his name came up it was more likely to be as a discussion of why he wasn’t on the list. Take this Wall Street Journal article as an example:

That scrutiny may have doomed the chances of once-rising members of that conservative class, such as Sixth Circuit Judge Jeffrey Sutton and Judge Brett Kavanaugh of the District of Columbia Circuit, both omitted from the initial Trump lists.

This is not a silver bullet in the heart of Ford’s story, but it is another thing that makes you go “hmmmm.”

UPDATE: Actually, the list of 11 was generated in May 2016 and expanded to 21 names in September 2016. Kavanaugh’s name was not among the 21. Beldar collected the details here. The point about Ford’s memory stands with this correction. If anything, the point is even stronger.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

226 Responses to “Still More Lack of Corroboration for Christine Blasey Ford”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (fd4fe5)

  2. Apparently in the letter, to eshoo.

    narciso (d1f714)

  3. There is a further notiom, this is based on 2012 toobin piece.

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1043708347977949186

    From the Washington Post email Patterico.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  5. One of the developments in our society which angers me to no end is when prominent folks, like athletes, insist that absent a criminal conviction, they must not be removed from their positions. And the media always backs this garbage. Never mind that those who enjoy public status as a privilege. The “accused” demand judgment be made utilizing the criminal standard of all reasonable doubt removed.

    But, when a conservative is the accused, it’s all about “the seriousness of the charge.” The accused must prove innocence beyond all reasonable doubt. The presumption is guilt.

    Just how does such a society expect to retain any modicum of liberty?

    Ed from SFV (6d42fa)

  6. just another wapo-orchestrated Roy Moore-style rape hoax

    she should stop lying so much

    she just comes off like one of those crazy fake rape women

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/03/26/holding-court

    link is to the 2012 Jeffrey Toobin article in the New Yorker article where he names Kavanaugh as a very likey Mitt Romney SC nominee. 2012. hmmm. isn’t that the year Ford first mentioned the incident?

    kaf (87f0c4)

  8. It doesn’t mean she’s lying, but you can add it to the growing list of potential corroborating facts that aren’t panning out

    True, it does not prove she is lying, if every person she names as being there when it happened says they have no such recollection.

    What people take from this is another matter. If Kavanaugh said he and Judge were in Gstaad on the night of the party (assuming arguendo that we even knew what year the party happened much less the night), and that Kelsey was there too, and then Kelsey responded with she had no recollection of that and had never met Judge with or without Kavanaugh on any occasion, that would not prove Kavanaugh was lying.

    However, it would be presented in the media as a serious problem with Kavanaugh’s story.

    The trend lately had been, the less detail the accuser provides, the more detail the accused is required to prove. The more detail the accused delivers, the more detail is demanded. The accuser’s lack of detail is treated as strong evidence, because “everyone knows” or “studies show” that sexual assault survivors don’t remember every detail and sometimes give inconsistent accounts–as though that weren’t true for every human being, victim of any sort of crime whatever or not.

    As a society we are not going to like these new rules. I am afraid we will have to learn the hard way, just as we did about the satanic abuse scares. There are still people in prison over that one.

    Nemo (a46a69)

  9. I am also troubled by the increasingly common locution “credibly accused”. It seems to mean “it’s not an obvious impossibility”. For example, there’s no date given, so there’s no way to establish that Kavanaugh was somewhere completely different, with witnesses or contemporaneous evidence such as plane tickets or some such. And no physical impossibilities were claimed, such as flying on broomsticks (as was testified to in some of the satanic day care cases).

    With this standard there is no one who cannot be “credibly accused”. Even where they watched every minute by witnesses, those witnesses may belong to a race or gender or social group that allows their evidence to be discounted out of hand.

    Nemo (a46a69)

  10. Important also to remember that “false” and “lie” are entirely distinct concepts, and in accusations of this type that distinction is deliberately elided in the media.

    If Ford believes that things happened as she recounts them she is not lying, regardless of whether things actually happened that way. If it’s a recovered memory situation, for example.

    Nemo (a46a69)

  11. “I am also troubled by the increasingly common locution “credibly accused”.”
    __ _

    Credibly Accused’ Is the New ‘Gravitas’

    Despite having been called out repeatedly over the years for appearing to all be reading from the same scripted talking points, the media are arguably even worse about doing so in the current era of President Donald Trump. They just got caught blatantly doing so with regard to the vague and formerly anonymous allegations of sexual misconduct lodged against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

    The key phrase this time — spotted by independent journalist Mike Cernovich — is “credibly accused,” as in Kavanaugh has been “credibly accused” of a sexual assault 35 years ago and therefore should be disqualified from being a Supreme Court justice.

    Cernovich tweeted screenshots from a number of liberal media and political figures who all just so happened to use the exact same phrase in describing the vague and impossible-to-prove-or-disprove accusation against Kavanaugh.

    Indeed, in several instances the “credibly accused” phrase was applied to Trump as well, in reference to the many unproven and evidence-free accusations of sexual misconduct thrown unsuccessfully at him during the 2016 campaign.

    Nor was it just those handful of tweets captured by Cernovich that used the “credibly accused” phrase with regard to Kavanaugh, as a search of the phrase on Twitter brought back innumerable examples of tweets that were all written slightly differently but nevertheless used those key words.

    Now would probably be a good time to note that the word “credibly” is generally defined as “easy to believe on the basis of available evidence,” which in this case is an inappropriate use of the word, as there is virtually no “available evidence” upon which to make the vague accusations against Kavanaugh “easily believable.”

    The avalanche of liberals all using the exact same phrase to describe the allegations against Kavanaugh, aside from seemingly confirming that liberal media figedures all read off the same sheet of distributed talking points, is akin to the theory that if something is repeated often and forcibly enough, it will become accepted and believed by the general public.”

    https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/credibly-accused-new-gravitas/

    harkin (ea7bff)

  12. OP .. Patterico .. 1. It’s still not clear to me where the suggestion originated that Ford claims Keyser was at the party. The CNN report attributes it to a staffer but I don’t know where the staffer got that information. (Keep in mind that, to my knowledge, Sen. Grassley and other Republican senators still don’t have an unredacted copy of Ford’s letter sent to Feinstein.)

    Don’t have a cite for you, but I recall (or think I do) that someone (probably wapo or nyt) reported recently that as of at least this past Thursday the Committee did have a copy of the “Feinstein letter”. Also, fwiw (again, no cite quickly at hand – sorry), within the last day there was a report (probably ditto) that the earlier reporting that Feinstein’d redacted the letter before forwarding it to the FBI was in error, and that the letter was actually forwarded intact, and redacted by the FBI, after which it was placed into the judge’s file. (I do not vouch for these reports, obviously, and heck, I don’t swear I’ve remembered accurately, though I think I have.)

    2. Interesting point re: Saturday’s wapo article that you c̶i̶t̶e̶ quote from re: Kavanaugh as prospect, and the Ford account of her first-rising concern as recounted by the wapo reporters in that story. There’s clearly been some imperfect reporting in this saga (kinda like life, eh?), and possibly more than kinda sloppy-imperfect reporting -slash- recounting from memory. But, yeah, things that make you go hmmm?

    Q! (86710c)

  13. Patterico touched my junk 30 something years ago. I don’t remember exactly where or when but he did.

    And I’m suddenly going to “remember” that in 2018 on the eve of him getting a new job.

    If that counts as credible to anyone you are blinded by partisanship

    Hi (3a359f)

  14. I saw Hi masturbating in public two minutes ago. Gross!

    nk (dbc370)

  15. @14 Hi — If that counts as credible to anyone you are blinded by partisanship lol. I know I shouldn’t inquire as to what flavor of partisanship is being implied . . . so I won’t. I’ll just assume it has something to do with Philadelphia. Ooh, Man! I spent a week in Philadelphia one day.

    Q! (86710c)

  16. You raped me 30 years ago.

    I didn’t tell anyone for 30 years, don’t remember where oenwhen but it happened. Oh yeah and everyone else that I say was at the place where it happened will say it didn’t happen too.

    But yeah totes credible. And yeah jump all over it even tho the timing is pretty much held and perfected by Democrats and their front groups.

    Hi (3a359f)

  17. This doesn’t pass the smell test, how did it get so far, because there is an ideological some might say even financial interest in the status quo, but it’s all masked by narrative.

    Narciso (265c52)

  18. What remains odd to me is that we still don’t know–or can’t confirm–the who, when and where to Ms. Ford’s story. Before the Senators jump ahead to something else, they should at least know that basic information.

    Paul Montagu (e7d63b)

  19. She could recant the whole story now and the news would switch to a discussion of how DJT created the toxic environment that forced her to “this”. With “this” being variously defined as feeling compelled to lie to being forced to falsely recant.

    One of the reasons for the delay is that enough people believe something like this had to have happened that they only need to make space and time for the truth to come out. This is why she went to the wapo.

    But given the amount of anti-conservative money in play and the stakes I’m surprised this was the best that could be done.

    frosty48 (616fd0)

  20. The New York times today says there were five persons at the party (if it took place that is, of course) which would make it 3 boys and 2 girls. So there go the 4 boys from the therapists 2012 notes. Nobody tried to correct that aspect of the record till now./

    I also heard today on the Sunday interview shows that all 4 people mentioned have no claimed no knowledge of any such party.

    I think we have to understand that Christine Blasey Ford mentioned these names some time ago.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  21. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/us/politics/kavanaugh-senate-blasey-ford-testify.html

    This is not quite yet a done deal. It may depend upon also if Blasey’s lawyer may face ethics charges for putting her up to testify – I don’t know if that’s possible. If so, her lawyer has somehow got to avoid having her testify, hopefully in a way that doesn’t damage her credibility.

    Anyway, Senator Lindsey Graham said she made 10 demands of which 6 were granted, and he cited one or two that could not be. One is that she be permitted to select who can question her, and the other is what witnesses will appear.

    Now it’s interesting. She demands that only Senators question her. Clearly she doesn’t want to be cross examined. Yet she’s asking for witnesses to be subpoenaed, and in particular Mark Judge, whom she knows will not back up her story!

    This demand can only be made because she – or her lawyer -knows (from sources on the committee probably) that that request will not honored. (or that if it were, Judge and/or others would fight the subpoena, throwing the nomination vote into the next Congress.)

    It’s a bluff. Hearing from other witnesses would be the worst thing that could happen to her.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  22. Here is what the New York Times said about the people who attended the ghost party:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/us/politics/kavanaugh-senate-blasey-ford-testify.html

    A woman named Leland Keyser — who is believed to have been identified by Dr. Blasey as one of the five people at the party — told the committee through a lawyer that she “does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.” Two men said to have been at the party, Mark Judge and Patrick Smyth, have also told the committee that they have no recollection of the events.

    So now the New York Times has the number of people there fixed at five.

    Since then it’s been reported the last name person also denied it.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  23. Sammy,

    They want Judge there so they can smear him through the books he wrote and use guilt by association on Kavanaugh.

    NJRob (006128)

  24. Chris Todd and other reporters are asking Republican Senators what could change their mind, but they are not asking partisans of Blasey Ford what could change their mind. This is bias.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  25. They want Judge there so they can smear him through the books he wrote and use guilt by association on Kavanaugh.

    They can try cross-examining him, but his denial stands.

    The whole allegation is based on BK being a one time alcoholic bssically.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  26. Oh my. W/all these crumb trails America’s armchair Columbos are turning up, the Federal Bureau of Investigation… the FBI, could have been very far along– perhaps even done w/an official investigation given their resources had they been direct to do so a week ago.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. Kavanaugh was not on Trump’s list when he was elected

    They’re telling many lies which require detailed knowledge to get caught at. Why not another? (the partivular value of this lie is that, according to that, she’s only concerned about Kavanaugh – not other conservative judges, so has no ideological motive)

    By the way, did Blasey Ford say that, or her handlers? Of course her handlers could have by now got that her to say that. Anita Hill’s handlers got her to make that incredible statement about following Clarence Thomas to another job because there was talk of abolishing the Department of Education. (sounds plausible if you know nothing about what abolishing the Department of Education actually meant.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  28. The purpose of an FBI investigation is to dismiss charges, not to affirm them. If they find it has some possible substance, it gets kicked upstairs.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  29. The silver bullet is the claim that people who experience trauma never get muddled in their story.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  30. I think there’s barely a 1 in 200 chance there could be any truth to this story.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  31. 14… are you high, Hi?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. @26 Sammy .. They can try cross-examining him, but his denial stands.

    Whether the “denial stands” or not, the following excerpt from a wapo piece suggests that he might be a witness that a skilled examiner on or aligned with Team Ford might very much relish questioning:

    A lawyer for Judge said in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he has “no memory of this alleged incident.” Judge previously told the New York Times that such behavior would be wildly out of character for the Catholic-raised-and-educated boys who went to Georgetown Prep in the early ’80s.

    What Judge has written in his career as a journalist and author is another matter.

    In two memoirs, Judge depicted his high school as a nest of debauchery where students attended “masturbation class,” “lusted after girls” from nearby Catholic schools and drank themselves into stupors at parties. He has since renounced that lifestyle and refashioned himself as a conservative moralist — albeit one who has written about “the wonderful beauty of uncontrollable male passion.” [hyperlinks removed]

    The commentariat/media is replete with other pieces of fruit (“O’Kavenaugh”, “100 Keg Club”, etc., etc.) which seem to many to have the potential to paint Mark and his buddy Brett in a rather more prosaic (and questionable) light than His Honor might prefer; and heaven knows but that Mark Judge seems almost drawn-by-Hollywood-perfect, as a vehicle to advance such a narrative. And, that, is precisely why the majority (and [very] presumably Team Kavanaugh) is so resolute against compelling his appearance. (And why there is every reason to believe that Team Ford’s demand that he be subpoenaed and appear is wholly genuine and heart-felt, and in no sense a diversion.) This is not rocket science.

    Q! (86710c)

  33. They are poised to tear teh roof off this motherfather…

    Democrats are poised to ask questions about the drinking culture of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s high school when the judge faces the Senate Judiciary Committee following a sexual misconduct allegation.

    “We want to hear — I would be wanting to hear what kind of environment it was in high school,” Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, said Sunday during an interview with CNN’s “State of the Union.”

    “Apparently, there was a lot of drinking and partying going on,” she continued. “This is why we need an investigation. We need an independent investigation that lays all of that out for us, so there’s at least some chance of some outside entity, like the FBI, doing an investigation.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democrats-poised-to-grill-brett-kavanaugh-on-drinking-partying-in-high-school

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. We have truly ended a new puritan age full of witch hunts, if you stand in the way of the leftist agenda.

    NJRob (006128)

  35. Senate Judicial Committee staff took statements from those named by Ford. All four of ‘em say event never happened, each in writing from their own personal attorney under penalty of felony. It’s over. Nothing else to investigate.

    Time to vote.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  36. “Wholly genuine and heartfelt.”

    Ye Gods…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  37. The sophists continue to prop up teh weak-suck Narrative…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. How is the X1/9?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  39. It’s fine, Steve, got it running like a mini-Lancia Stratos.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. ….and just like the false accusations against Trump and Moore we now have the left going after Kavanaugh. why? because even neverTrumpers and many RINO republicans believe that Star Chamber justice is legal when its against someone they despise (because they cannot except the present reality that American voters are against their establishment hack politicians) even though Star Chamber justice is in part or whole against US constitutional law and Title 18 of the United States Code. The sad and darkly ironic fact is that this same Star Chamber justice will be used against neverTrumpers and many RINO republicans because they are not radical or “progressive” enough for the radical marxist liberal form of government that the marxist billionaire e George Soros & the rest of the globalist DNC and left wing hollywood elite wish to fund and imposed on the USA. look at what happened to McCain: when he bucked the conservative establishment the liberal promoted him as their hero. But when McCain ran against a liberal hero such as Obama, the left ate him alive and his POTUS run was a disaster. hopefully people wake up before its too late. because the left never gives back an inch of their gains without legal and illegal tactics. it is a fight to the legal, political and in the case of Soros backed Anifa, physical death with them. seriously people the left takes what is going on as religious warfare similar to ISIS. you have been warned.

    Where Eagles Dare (8f562c)

  41. People characterize it as a credible accusation, I presume, because Ford said it happened. Some people think it’s a conspiracy theory, I gather, because Ford is of liberal persuasion and therefore wants to torpedo Kavanaugh. It seems to me, however, that the fact she’s willing to endure the death threats and violent overtures that were entirely foreseeable as a result of coming forward after the leak–a wholly separate issue IMO–lends credibility. What does she have to gain by making it up?

    As a former prosecutor myself, the lack of corroboration is not dispositive. It’s just something that goes in the pot of stuff you look at in assessing credibility. From what I’ve read, she is not certain of the details of the party, so I’m not sure why people saying it definitively did not happen is treated as gospel. (If I’m mistaken and she has pinned down the exact date and party, then my opinion on this point might change).

    I’m of the view that anyone who thinks this matter is crystal clear in either direction is blinded by partisanship.

    Johnny Agreeable (027e60)

  42. On Drudge… “Insiders claim Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer are set to report a new twist in Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation”… Developing…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  43. I’m of the view that anyone who thinks this matter is crystal clear in either direction is blinded by partisanship.

    Johnny Agreeable (027e60) — 9/23/2018 @ 3:40 pm

    I am of the view that I deserve the benefit of the doubt. If you like it I’ll go into it but be prepared to dulge into it yourselves. I have.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  44. I think I predicted a new one would crawl out of the woodpile.

    harkin (ea7bff)

  45. well they drew the original dry well, so why is their view determinative,

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. I was staring up at the Bufflehead…”

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  47. I am of the view that I deserve the benefit of the doubt. If you like it I’ll go into it but be prepared to dulge into it yourselves. I have.

    I don’t understand what you’re driving at. He deserves the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not sure why that extends to sitting on the US Supreme Court.

    Seems to me this is the essence of a your mileage may vary thing. It might be unfair in some abstract sense for Kavanaugh to not get appointed based on something that by its very nature cannot be proven (nor disproven), but I think that attaches too much emphasis to the timing of the revelation. Put it this way: I am quite confident that Kavanaugh would NEVER be nominated if the powers-that-be had knowledge of this precise accusation. They’d pick someone else. There’s no right to be nominated to the Court, and there are plenty of other conservative Justices that I’d be happy to see on the Court.

    Johnny Agreeable (027e60)

  48. so in what way is their account trustworthy,

    https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1043948022571253765

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. “MORE…
    NEW YORKER to publish account of a new woman and a ‘dildo’…
    She is ‘Never Trump’, says a source. But best friend will say ‘She never told me!’… Developing…”

    Teh whole enchilada gets 1,000 millikohns…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. It was Woody Allen? I thought he liked them younger.

    nk (dbc370)

  51. I think I predicted a new one would crawl out of the woodpile.

    harkin (ea7bff) — 9/23/2018 @ 4:02 pm

    But you totes missed teh dildo!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. I think I predicted a new one would crawl out of the woodpile.

    If this refers to me–a safe bet given the comment at 40 and mine at 45–I have not commented here in years, and that was under a different name and account. But anyway, I’m not sure what your point is. You can choose to ignore or address any comment I make as you see fit.

    As to why now (which I don’t think is particularly relevant in any case), I decided to comment based on the host’s new policy. I found reading the comments tiresome some time ago.

    Johnny Agreeable (027e60)

  53. Yeah, I taxidermy that sh*t.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  54. Steve: If you meant the new stories / Drudge report, my apologies.

    Johnny Agreeable (027e60)

  55. after what dirty dirty Mitt Romney did on Roy Moore the toothpaste isn’t going back in the tube

    thanks for that, dirty Mitt Romney

    can’t imagine why people never made your pedo ass president

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. @59. Apparently, America preferred a ‘grab-ass president’ instead, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. Someonrs been jerking us around for what two weeks now.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. Johnny, I’m a big boy. And as I can tell so are you.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  59. @61. Hmmmm… See #27.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. Like the anthrax mailer, the men whitey bulger ordered double tapped.

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. @63 DCSCA . . . (& #27) Yup. You betcha. Of course. Quite obviously, and rather routinely.

    Q! (86710c)

  62. They’ve been floating the story forever that Kavanaugh likes his clerks to look a certain way, but no one has bit so far. They will keep trying if they need to make it up.

    NJRob (006128)

  63. The FBI did investigate. At least three times: When he went to work for the Bush White House; when he was appointed to the Court of Appeals; and when he was nominated now. But even the FBI could not find something that Professor Doctor Christine Margaret Blasey Ford, B.A., M.A., Ph. D. had not yet made up.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. “If this refers to me………. I’m not sure what your point is. You can choose to ignore or address any comment I make as you see fit.

    Does not refer to you.

    Was referring to Drudge hinting that another accuser was being prepared.

    harkin (ea7bff)

  65. Exactly as I predicted, Kavanaugh’s detailed evidence regarding his activities in the summer of 1982 are being dismissed, or considered to detract from his credibility instead of adding to it, and more evidence is being demanded of him and not his accuser.

    As I said before, our society is not going to like these new rules.

    Nemo (a46a69)

  66. @67.”The FBI did investigate.”

    And QAD tested post assembly, retested, shipped to the Cape, tested, retested, installed, tested, retested on the pad- they missed a fused switch and Apollo 13 was launched and the 02 tank still blew up; engineers suggested management review fight critical problems w/O-rings; they balked, Challenger blew up; teams suggested outside, independent agency ‘resources’ review images of STS-107 post foam strike; managers balked; Columbia was incinerated… =sigh=

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  67. are *all* yale chicks lying penis-obsessed psychos?

    they should aim a little higher i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. These rules are employed against up wright people like kavanaugh and Thomas and Palin and Haley they aren’t applied to ones who screwed their way to the top like Harris who pretended to something they are not like warren. They dont apply at all to ellison.

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. Has Blasey-Ford started her Charles Grodin-inspired Midnight Run?

    Colonel Haiku (a81cba)

  70. So the creepy porn lawyer, is involved in this, is he paid in kind services.

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. Evidence, is just nothing left to lose anymore.

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. So she gave a location, of an event at Yale but no date, and no confirmation, Mr remnick meet Mr wenner

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Absolutely at a loss to predict how this will all pan out, short-term or longer term, or frankly, how I feel after reading the New Yorker story, except to say Wow. WOW. Little gob-smacked, here. Please excuse my stunnedness. Oh. Except to say, that I venture an FBI investigation of the (claimed) “Ramirez event” wouldn’t go amiss. Oh, Chuckie?, Oh Donnie?

    Q! (86710c)

  74. I think the third one that Avenatti dug up will be the death blow. For the Democrats. You may have two pair face up but when you’re seen pulling the third ace out of your sleeve you’re out of the game.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. I see we now have another woman coming out to accuse the judge–I think we all understand why Dr. Ford was dragging this out–to see if the Democrats could come up with yet another person to make unsubstantiated claims that occurred 30 years ago. I am utterly disgusted by the Senate, and in particular, by Feinstein; and it’s no wonder we cannot find decent people to serve in government after this spectacle.

    Rochf (877dba)

  76. Both of them now say they want the same thing–an FBI investigation… but they both already know everything that happened. They both already say gave the names of everyone they can remember being there. And it doesn’t seem that anyone named as being there is willing to confirm either incident.

    So an FBI investigation, or Mossad, or MI-6, or Scotland Yard, or whoever, isn’t going to do anything except delay the vote on confirmation. It is very hard to believe that anything but delay is desired.

    Notice that no one is calling for him to be removed from his current position–nor have they ever. Someone who did these things is surely unfit to be any sort of judge?

    Nemo (a46a69)

  77. “Them are some good looking chickens”

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  78. I’m feeling like major slade right about now,

    Narciso (366412)

  79. Oh Shes a Soros society fellow, did they leave that out from 2004.

    Narciso (366412)

  80. I refuse, nemo, to participate unless the California Highway Patrol investigates a crime I allege in Pakistan that occurred to girl somewhere sometime who was stationed on an aircraft carrier.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  81. Maybe 1980 something.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  82. I accuse, j’cuse, omarossa of sleeping with my dogs.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  83. This could be the rino debacle of all time. They look like a old beat up Roberto Duran with hands of clay.

    mg (9e54f8)

  84. I don’t really know what that means.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  85. Lois Cayce
    @LBC1983
    We went from the good friend of Dr. Ford being dismissed as a good witness for BK because she wouldn’t remember a party where she wasn’t assaulted at….to believing a woman who didn’t even believe herself until 6 days of deeply assessing her memories & meeting w/an attny!

    harkin (ea7bff)

  86. One difference between this situation and Roy Moore, and Donald Trump, and Al Franken, is that those men were Washington outsiders. Kavanaugh is as establishment as they come.

    I think the conservative half of the establishment is going to work harder at defending him. I imagine that they are feeling like a line got crossed.

    Nemo (a46a69)

  87. FWIW, yes, he did inhale but Doug Ginsburg is still available, kids; tanned, rested and ready at 72.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. this stinks like a phony hoax the dirty corrupt FBI would put together

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  89. @DCSCAFWIW, yes, he did inhale but Doug Ginsburg is still available, kids; tanned, rested and ready at 72.:

    The next Republican nominee, obviously, will be female. Cannot wait to see what will be alleged after the hearings but before the vote in that case.

    Nemo (a46a69)

  90. RBG stepping down would be a hoot.

    mg (9e54f8)

  91. Make it known which members of Congress in 2015, 2016 and 2017 had to settle sexual harassment complaints.

    Colonel Haiku (a81cba)

  92. I can see GrAssley calling for a penis line-up.

    mg (9e54f8)

  93. debra ramirez just turned out the lights the partys over kavenaugh.

    lany (e81e29)

  94. They tipped their hand, recall Rowan never said that Feinstein had the letter now we know why.

    Narciso (366412)

  95. @92. Meh. LOL, the history of bathroom facilities available to women in Congress might come up as a benchmark to mindsets.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. Maybe he’s mixing up outtakes,from his other clients body of work.

    Narciso (366412)

  97. Yes the double entendre was intended. So is this still a search for truth and justice?

    Narciso (366412)

  98. What nemo said.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  99. Ryan Saavedra 🇺🇸
    @RealSaavedra
    IRONY ALERT: ABC News chief political analyst Matthew Dowd freaks out after Chris Christie claims Dianne Feinstein and her staff leaked Ford’s letter, saying, “That’s an allegation without evidence.”

    …during a segment about a woman who is making accusations without evidence.

    harkin (ea7bff)

  100. @100. … a search for truth and justice?’

    …And the American Way: bread and circuses.

    Are you not entertained?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. ABC is just a dumpster fire with lower ignition point.

    Narciso (366412)

  102. These new allegations are the best of allegations, really the highest quality, not pulled out randomly from whatever random people they had lying around.

    Rogue DMV Agent (cb5d31)

  103. kamila harris to kavenaugh how many woman did you and your buddy judge gang rape?

    lany (e81e29)

  104. As of right now I expect a full retraction on Patterico’s previous post on Tucker Carlson v. Avenatti, the ‘Creepy pr0n Lawyer’ has beclowned himself so hard today that anyone should be able to throw rotten fruit at him in public now.

    Rogue DMV Agent (197bc6)

  105. “Apparently, America preferred a ‘grab-ass president’ instead, Mr. Feet”

    Normal people prefer Presidents who occasionally grab asses to Presidents who constantly pull worthless excuses out of them.

    Rogue DMV Agent (1f9469)

  106. So all the people she named, who deigned to respond to this (redacted) which I hold David remnick responsible for So, not only didn’t it happen but it was out of character.

    Narciso (366412)

  107. Tucker Carlson deserves the Medal of Freedom for goading this man into doubling down this hard:

    “Avenatti wrote, in part, “We are aware of significant evidence of multiple parties in the D.C. area in the early 1980s during which Brett Kavanaugh […] and others would participate in the targeting of women with alcohol/drugs in order to allow a ‘train’ of men to subsequently gang-rape them.””

    “Big K” was also heard to yell “GAMERGATE FOREVER!” and “WOMEN CAN’T BE GHOSTBUSTERS!”

    Rogue DMV Agent (5d32e7)

  108. The victory of israel over the four arab states in 48, is like one of those miracles isn’t it,

    Narciso (366412)

  109. Well, Arabs aren’t exactly THAT hard to fight.

    (Manage a stable society afterward, yes. Fight, no. Wictor’s treatises on the Invincible Jumping Saudi Commandos notwithstanding.)

    Rogue DMV Agent (ec5301)

  110. Credible? Lol.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  111. So many perfect allegations coming out now, so beautifully shaped, so symmetrically self-debunking, you don’t even need to read past the charge to see it refute itself, I simply cannot WAIT for Kavanaugh and Thomas to write the next majority opinion CRUSHING Title IX.

    Rogue DMV Agent (581b12)

  112. You think there is enough malice here for a Sullivan challenge,

    Narciso (366412)

  113. Andrew Sullivan is over the hill and off the testosterone but he may squeeze out a pretty good article or two on it.

    Rogue DMV Agent (f932d5)

  114. The only acceptable outcome: a weeks worth of every single high-profile Democrat operative releasing crazier and more lurid allegations, then the confirmation vote being held on party lines on September 29th anyway.

    Rogue DMV Agent (8389c4)

  115. “Paul Sperry

    @paulsperry_
    Follow Follow @paulsperry_
    More
    BREAKING: Chairman Grassley reveals Judge Kavanaugh’s two young daughters have faced serious death threats “and vicious assaults as a result of these allegations” — and “they’re getting worse by the day.””

    ‘they want you dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny’

    Rogue DMV Agent (84a647)

  116. This is now getting to be a game of whack-a-mole and one of the key rules of the game is that you HAVE to whack the moles. If you let them sit and accumulate pretty soon all you can see are the moles.

    Kevin M (e9a4b1)

  117. kamila harris to kavenaugh how many woman did you and your buddy judge gang rape?

    “None, so far as I know. How many politicians did you blow on your way up, Senator?”

    Kevin M (e9a4b1)

  118. So the gorilla channel has a court affiliate,

    Narciso (366412)

  119. It turns out Anita Hill did it better. She left it at “He said, She said.” Dr Ford has invoked several witnesses who all deny anything like that happened in their presence. TMI.

    Kevin M (e9a4b1)

  120. Future Republican confirmation hearings must have a MINIMUM hilariously over-wrought rape accusation threshold to be considered, (while rape is never funny, the obviously false rape stories and Penthouse’s Letters To A Federal judge definitely are.)

    Rogue DMV Agent (caa1b1)

  121. Wylie Coyote/GrAssley/2020

    mg (9e54f8)

  122. Drudge is delightedly posting the hideous face of the accuser, and I’m sorry, but this woman was never pretty, she very obviously subscribed to the ‘get drunk and hope for the best’ school of snagging a mate, “I believe her” is just the reflexive female version of “I totally had sex with her” and won’t be repeated under oath. Her pictures are worth millions of aggrieved words from justifiably underpaid pundits across America.

    The longer these ugly liars continue to pollute the airwaves of the body politic, the more America will realize that what they truly wanted from Trump was the beauty contest judge that would LAY DOWN THE LAW, make the Miss America swimsuit event compulsory, fat and ugly shame the proudly hideous remorselessly, and Make America Thin Again.

    Simply having his family set the aesthetic example is no longer sufficient! The Hambeasts and Hags must be removed as role models wherever you find them!

    Rogue DMV Agent (f743b7)

  123. turn out the lights the party is over.just another rape candidate.

    lany (e81e29)

  124. Anybody shouting that Kavanaugh is guilty, or that he’s innocent, should consider what impact partisanship is having on their conclusions.

    It’s not super unusual for people to not come forward about this stuff until it hits the news. Bill Cosby went from family values icon to degenerate pretty quickly.

    A few days ago, Dr. Ford being the sole accuser was loudly exclaimed as evidence Kavanaugh was innocent. Now, three accusations is evidence Kavanaugh is being framed. If all three are willing to make their accusations under oath, that starts to get more compelling. That hasn’t happened yet, and yes, it could be a complete hoax, but nothing like that’s ever happened before. It’s presumptuous to assume anything about them.

    Either way, this is a dark chapter in Trump’s presidency. Both in what he inspires, and what he inspires in his enemies. He’s clearly not the core problem, but is a symptom of something deeply wrong with our culture.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  125. Dustin,

    this isn’t Trump. This is the left in all their demented glory. Remember Harry Reid and Romney’s taxes. Or Obama, “I won.”

    NJRob (1d7532)

  126. Rent-free, 24x7x365…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  127. Forget it rob, its chinatown.

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. Dustin is pushing his depressive lines hard, deserves a smackdown:

    “Bill Cosby went from family values icon to degenerate pretty quickly.”

    Nobody seriously ever doubted that Bill Cosby had engaged in the usual Hollywood degeneracy, the question was whether he had actually *raped* anyone.

    “If all three are willing to make their accusations under oath, that starts to get more compelling. That hasn’t happened yet, and yes, it could be a complete hoax, but nothing like that’s ever happened before. It’s presumptuous to assume anything about them.”

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm….multiple poorly sourced, breathlessly reported, and sketchy accounts from multiple women affiliated with multiple Democrat Party operatives on the eve of a great choice? But it HAS happened…around 2016, if I’m not mistaken.

    One could almost think that certain people have completely failed to learn or see any patterns from it. Certainly it failed to make enough of an impression on you to remember it…

    “Either way, this is a dark chapter in Trump’s presidency.”

    Except to use it as an EXTREMELY poor bludgeon against Trump on an issue that he’s only tangentially related to. Good job, loser!

    “Both in what he inspires, and what he inspires in his enemies.”

    You most of all!

    “He’s clearly not the core problem, but is a symptom of something deeply wrong with our culture.”

    Trump is the medicine for the symptoms that certain aggrieved Republicans are STILL refusing to take. Those whose first instinct is to knuckle under to hectoring scolds may never learn it.

    Rogue DMV Agent (39a87a)

  129. And that New Yorker article is as disgraceful as the Washington Post article. Our partisan media has become the American Pravda.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  130. As it what really going on

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1044014106968240129?p=v

    And that’s why they vaporized Cambridge analytica. It had nothing g to do with the Russians Btw who was the attorney of record for apple and facebook, Robert mueller

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. #MomSaidSheHadaNicePersonality?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn0AEhvW0AMA5Hh.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  132. How way been, coronello, how are the grandkids?

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. Dustin,

    this isn’t Trump. This is the left in all their demented glory. Remember Harry Reid and Romney’s taxes. Or Obama, “I won.”

    NJRob (1d7532) — 9/23/2018 @ 10:07 pm

    Isn’t that what I said? Trump’s not the core problem. There is something deeply wrong in our culture, but it’s represented on both sides of our political system. That a man like Trump could win the presidency is a symptom, not just of moral decay, but of intense partisan hostility.

    Trump bragged about groping women, and his involvement with Stormy and some of these other women reflects a man with no personal character whatsoever. Trump’s definitely a huge, looming aspect of this story because it’s the administration of a man who does sexually abuse women that appointed this man to the Court. Many, many of the people who are defending Kavanaugh simply have no credibility because we know they would defend him if he had done what he’s accused of.

    Trump did this stuff and they defend Trump, after all. Some of the folks getting really upset that I offered my opinion, Narciso and Haiku for example, probably misunderstand my point of view. If I had to bet, I’d bet Kavanaugh is innocent, but the truth is I wasn’t there, I don’t know, and most of the really loud voices in Kavanaugh’s corner are people like Tucker Carlson. People who defended admitted degenerates.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  134. Some don’t understand that the Democrats have been trying to destroy the confirmation process for a little over 30 years now. Wake up and smell the cat food, folks.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  135. Dustin,

    it’s these line with which I’m taking issue.

    A few days ago, Dr. Ford being the sole accuser was loudly exclaimed as evidence Kavanaugh was innocent. Now, three accusations is evidence Kavanaugh is being framed. If all three are willing to make their accusations under oath, that starts to get more compelling. That hasn’t happened yet, and yes, it could be a complete hoax, but nothing like that’s ever happened before. It’s presumptuous to assume anything about them.

    Either way, this is a dark chapter in Trump’s presidency. Both in what he inspires, and what he inspires in his enemies.

    This is all on the left. It doesn’t matter who is President, they would pull the same game. It’s about power and control.

    And yes I still believe they want to enslave anyone who disagrees with them. Look at the ends they choose to go to to destroy a man and his family. That doesn’t mean everyone who votes Democrat, but it does mean the left and the people who pull the levers of power within their party.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  136. lines*

    NJRob (1d7532)

  137. China’s most reliable spy vehicle apparently has something to say:

    “Sen Dianne Feinstein

    @SenFeinstein
    Thursday’s hearing should be canceled in light of a disturbing new allegation of sexual misconduct against Brett Kavanaugh. The FBI must investigate ALL allegations.”

    Fatherly (Patriarchal) advice: Women are herd animals and, regardless of party, will keep repeating bad jokes and taking them seriously until you have the testosterone to laugh at rather than with them.

    Rogue DMV Agent (138303)

  138. 138… they are doing well, narciso, thanks for asking.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. They will go to any lengths to destroy anyone who supports the U.S. Constitution.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  140. This has been about delaying the nomination till they could find someone, anyone willing to tar Kavanaugh with enough dirt to shoot down his nomination. Then to delay the next nomination till after the election, hoping that people will be demoralized on the constitutional side enough that the left will sweep into power in both houses of Congress. Then they will use every ounce of power they can to overturn the 2016 election as they’ve tried since November 8, 2016.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  141. Well kibitzing at this Hyde park corner is good but then there are the important things.

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. “Isn’t that what I said? Trump’s not the core problem. There is something deeply wrong in our culture, but it’s represented on both sides of our political system. That a man like Trump could win the presidency is a symptom, not just of moral decay, but of intense partisan hostility.”

    Yes. On the left side, which reliably nurtures, protects, and defends its extremists, criminals, and other murdering, raping scum of the earth if it gets them a voting edge.

    “Trump bragged about groping women, and his involvement with Stormy and some of these other women reflects a man with no personal character whatsoever. Trump’s definitely a huge, looming aspect of this story because it’s the administration of a man who does sexually abuse women that appointed this man to the Court. Many, many of the people who are defending Kavanaugh simply have no credibility because we know they would defend him if he had done what he’s accused of.”

    Yes, we would. Do you know why? Because nobody with an ounce of personal experience actually WANTS to protect the sexual honor and personal reputation of women who insist on their right to get blackout drunk at parties with nothing bad happening and no one judging them, lie on an industrial scale and force men to pay the bills, or for that matter industrially slaughter our children while insisting that we pay for it. There *are* bad men out there, but on balance it’s women who have TOO MUCH POWER and not enough responsibility!

    “Trump did this stuff and they defend Trump, after all. Some of the folks getting really upset that I offered my opinion, Narciso and Haiku for example, probably misunderstand my point of view. If I had to bet, I’d bet Kavanaugh is innocent, but the truth is I wasn’t there, I don’t know, and most of the really loud voices in Kavanaugh’s corner are people like Tucker Carlson. People who defended admitted degenerates.”

    Oh, so “Degenerates” is your crappy catch-all umbrella term, is it?

    I will defend the Party of Occasional Lechers over the Party of Teaching Women To Chemically Feminize Their Sons and Educationally Uglify Their Daughters every single day of the week and five times on Sunday.

    Rogue DMV Agent (ccc542)

  143. flake,murkowski,collins good as gone.

    lany (e81e29)

  144. This is all on the left. It doesn’t matter who is President, they would pull the same game. It’s about power and control.

    And yes I still believe they want to enslave anyone who disagrees with them. Look at the ends they choose to go to to destroy a man and his family. That doesn’t mean everyone who votes Democrat, but it does mean the left and the people who pull the levers of power within their party.

    NJRob (1d7532) — 9/23/2018 @ 10:28 pm

    Yes, of course all of the organized criticism of Kavanaugh is coming from the left.

    This degree is unprecedented though. This ain’t Anita Hill 2.0. It’s a darker, nastier set of allegations. Especially the most recent ones about organized gang rapes. Something is really screwed up in our culture.

    Let’s assume you are right for the sake of argument: the powerful in the democrat party making false-rape accusations, simply in pursuit of more power. That’s as bad as accusing a presidential candidate’s dad of committing a presidential assassination.

    Why doesn’t the public reel in horror? I think there’s a lot of reasons. One is that both sides hate the other side so much that nothing their own side does will phase them. Trump can brag about sexually assaulting women all day if he wants. His side will be too focused on Hillary (or whoever) to care that much. Avenatti can push the most far fetched gang-rape scenario, and not only will it not hurt his brand, he’ll probably make a million bucks with the exposure his brand is getting. Part of this is that our culture is more coarse, more open to sexual degeneracy and abuse, and far, far less concerned about respect or decorum. Part of it’s simply partisanship.

    Do the majority of democrats support false rape accusations as a tactic? Nope. But they are eager to believe anything horrible about someone on the other side.

    My disagreement with you is that this is not ‘all on the left’. Trump’s twitter feed and his speeches have showered our nation in so many untrue attacks on the characters of so many people. Obviously the attacks on a conservative are ‘all on the left’, but the concept of going this dirty is not.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  145. Lany is being extremely optimistic about how the voting dynamics are actually working here, I’m sorry but there is no middle ground, everyone pushing the “Kavanaugh is a rapist!!!” line seriously are among the most evil men and women of our time, and the kindest thing I can say about the ‘but what if these extremely conveniently timed and almost self-refuting allegations are all actually true’ is that you should never, ever, serve on a jury or any board that makes life-or-death decisions if you actually take it seriously.

    Rogue DMV Agent (00e23d)

  146. This has been about delaying the nomination till they could find someone, anyone willing to tar Kavanaugh with enough dirt to shoot down his nomination. Then to delay the next nomination till after the election, hoping that people will be demoralized on the constitutional side enough that the left will sweep into power in both houses of Congress. Then they will use every ounce of power they can to overturn the 2016 election as they’ve tried since November 8, 2016.

    NJRob (1d7532) — 9/23/2018 @ 10:32 pm

    I agree with this assessment. I think the primary goal is use the nomination to get out the vote to help secure the House.

    If three women are willing to swear under oath that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted them, that’s powerful evidence. It doesn’t mean Kavanaugh did anything, but it’s probably going to change the results of several congressional elections.

    A lot of people mocked Mike Pence’s strategy of never being alone with women not his wife, but I think we’ll see more of that, not less of it, in the next few generations. It’s not a price I’d be willing to pay to get on the Court, but there are people that ambitious.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  147. “Let’s assume you are right for the sake of argument: the powerful in the democrat party making false-rape accusations, simply in pursuit of more power. That’s as bad as accusing a presidential candidate’s dad of committing a presidential assassination.”

    Yes, one throwaway jokey conspiracy theory line in a race filled with them is JUST AS BAD as openly and covertly financing and coordinating your public lies and slander between multiple sources, operatives and accusers. Please continue to enlighten us with your superior wisdom and command of context.

    “Why doesn’t the public reel in horror? I think there’s a lot of reasons. One is that both sides hate the other side so much that nothing their own side does will phase them. Trump can brag about sexually assaulting women all day if he wants. His side will be too focused on Hillary (or whoever) to care that much.”

    Trump only allegedly sexually assaulted women, Hillary verifiably defamed victims of rape and worse on the stand and in the Oval office as her job and career! Dustin is the MASTER of the reprehensible comparisons!

    “Avenatti can push the most far fetched gang-rape scenario, and not only will it not hurt his brand, he’ll probably make a million bucks with the exposure his brand is getting.”

    Back in the real world, Avenatti has just jumped the shark and Ronan Farrow has just seriously hurt his reputation as the straight man in the #MeToo Special Victims Unit.

    “Part of this is that our culture is more coarse, more open to sexual degeneracy and abuse, and far, far less concerned about respect or decorum. Part of it’s simply partisanship.”

    Nothing is new. Americans have NEVER tolerated going full bore after a President simply for his sexual escapades. Bill Clinton’s impeachment was a mistake almost as big as the Iraq war!

    “Do the majority of democrats support false rape accusations as a tactic? Nope.”

    How are you privy to their innermost thoughts? How do their actions and the actions of their surrogates not scream Yes, YES! in full and enthusiastic consent for I BELIEVE ANITA and I BELIEVE ALL WOMEN? Are you high?

    “My disagreement with you is that this is not ‘all on the left’. Trump’s twitter feed and his speeches have showered our nation in so many untrue attacks on the characters of so many people. Obviously the attacks on a conservative are ‘all on the left’, but the concept of going this dirty is not.”

    No, not really. You can’t back that up. You have no Tweets or links to show Trump or his surrogates behaving anything like this in degree or kind. You’re just filling space with empty rebuttals and lazy comparisons.

    Rogue DMV Agent (1bb067)

  148. 153 this may surprise you it isn’t the left they have little power in the senate and in democrat party leadership. alexandra ocasio-cortez defeated democrat establishment not part of it. no those leading the attack on kavenaugh like diane fienstein are establishment corporate donor class third way democrats who supported clinton not bernie sanders. fienstein was not endorsed by california democrat party for being too moderate! she is fighting for her political life against a real lefty democrat in nov. election. most here are completely ignorant of democrat internal politics.

    lany (e81e29)

  149. P– FYI, can’t help but noticing it: they’re all different–

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    DCSCA (797bc0)

  150. “This is what Trump has done: he has cracked open the collective mind of the American establishment, and out of it are pouring baroque hallucinations that would startle Hieronymus Bosch. It is really something to see, and must be making every satirist drop his pen in despair.”

    Rogue DMV Agent (e8656b)

  151. Imagine if the pant suit darling was president and died in office,
    President Kaine…

    mg (9e54f8)

  152. yahoo news reporting former girl fried of mark judge named elisabeth raznor said mark admitted to her that he and kavenaugh used to sexually assault drunk girls at high school partys.

    lany (e81e29)

  153. That a man like Trump could win the presidency is a symptom, not just of moral decay, but of intense partisan hostility.

    Well, you could frame it like that, but the truth is that Trump defeated BOTH parties. He took apart the entire range of the GOP as it existed in late 2015. From Santorum to Kasich to Cruz he bested them.

    And he did it primarily though policy differences. He championed the people that the GOP had forgotten — the working stiff who could not compete with overseas competitors operating under different rules. Overseas competitors that were preferred and in many cases advantaged by GOP policies. And it wasn’t just a resentment; employment and marriage statistics were terrible compared to 50 years earlier.

    They were mad as hell and weren’t going to take it anymore and long comes Howard Beale Donald Trump.

    Then he destroyed the Democrats’ establishment candidate in detail, taking states she should have won going away.

    This wasn’t partisanship — this was a realignment. You can kiss off the return of GOP or Democrat globalism. The parties will react differently, of course, but they will need to embrace the folks who abandoned them for Trump.

    This will oddly be harder for the Democrats as their entire open borders thing is in conflict.

    Kevin M (e9a4b1)

  154. If three women are willing to swear under oath that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted them, that’s powerful evidence. It doesn’t mean Kavanaugh did anything, but it’s probably going to change the results of several congressional elections.

    Will it energize women to vote Democrat?
    Or will it energize men to vote Republican?
    Or will it energize women to vote against those who would use them so shabbily?

    Kevin M (e9a4b1)

  155. if you glorify these dirty rape junkies it’s gonna be just like school shooters

    you’re gonna get an epidemic

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  156. but Jeff Flake seems hell-bent on glorifying every damn rape junkie fine-heinie can did out the trash

    this demonstrates his lack of character

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  157. ikes *dig* out the trash i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. Rogue, that Deborah chick would be what I call an “investment”, a rough face but serviceable body, considering how pear-shaped women of her demographic could get in a short time (e.g. the one on the Supreme Court).

    urbanleftbehind (c8c554)

  159. “This degree is unprecedented though. This ain’t Anita Hill 2.0. It’s a darker, nastier set of allegations. Especially the most recent ones about organized gang rapes. Something is really screwed up in our culture.”

    Hmmmm… I wonder who or what it could be?… could it be… teh DEMOCRATS!?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (a81cba)

  160. “The Moon is made of Roquefort cheese…”

    The male or female or whatever they identify as… turtle, horse… that campaigns on developing the Moon will win the vote of every voter eligible Roquefort cheese lover in America.

    Colonel Haiku (a81cba)

  161. There is something deeply wrong in our culture,

    And something deeply wrong in human nature. Our culture once stood as a bulwark against our human failings; the left is taking it apart bit by bit.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  162. The most important thing here as we see the Left debase and destroy everything is to resist Trump cuz we don’t like him personally.

    Please remember that. Very important. Principles.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  163. Judge’s girlfriends story is almost laughable. Under what circumstances would a guy tell his girlfriend that he and his buddy used to train drunk chicks? How would that come up in conversation?

    And we see again the ever popular “man got girl drunk” trope. Do these women understand what this does to the girl power argument? Variations of this run through all of these stories.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  164. Any women who takes these two flunkies at their word in spite of evidence, or lack thereof, HATES THEIR FATHERS, THEIR HUSBANDS, THEIR SONS.

    They are evil women and should be disposed of as such.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  165. These tropes (false stories using stereotypical archetypes) further prove that women are not interested in equality, they simply want to get over and screw men.

    Fact.

    Men are idiots for allowing it.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  166. disposed of like evil women

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  167. Given men are the larger and physically more powerful sex … how long before women start using Robots to kill and hunt men?

    Since women are victims, all, the time, it would stand to reason they need protection.

    Or, given how modern women want to humiliate and lord over men and ignore any and all men’s wishes … at what point is the violent reaction inevitable? Doesn’t not a caged animal beaten and starved take his chance when it can?

    Heck, I mean, Brett Kavanaugh should be afforded a dual to settle these scores. Don’t you think? I do. He is the victim.

    (wonder if any philosopher king with big IQ is wading thru the consequences of the immorality being hoisted on our society)

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  168. #174 Of course. Get rid of evil. Purge it from polite society. Condemn it, Ridicule it. Make it socially unacceptable.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  169. Any women with no sons is prone to engaging in these immoral and evil attacks on men. They have been conditioned to think it OK by their teachers and media.

    Women with sons will have pause because the love of their boys is programmed to overcome the volume of lies propagated by the Left.

    That would be an interesting Poll if people of integrity would engage in it.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  170. “I don’t use the “T”-word lightly. I’ve spent years pushing back against those who fling it about in free societies like ours. But totalitarianism doesn’t require cartoonish, 1984-style secret police and Big Brother. The classical definition is a society where everything — ethical norms and moral principles and truth itself — is subjugated to political ends.

    By that measure, the Democratic campaign to block Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court, based on a hazy, uncorroborated, decades-old assault allegation, tends toward the totalitarian. Certainly, it has many of the elements of abusive politics that Americans normally associate with foreign lands untouched by the light of liberty and reason.”

    https://nypost.com/2018/09/19/the-drive-to-sink-kavanaugh-is-liberal-totalitarianism/

    Colonel Haiku (167903)

  171. And something deeply wrong in human nature. Our culture once stood as a bulwark against our human failings; the left is taking it apart bit by bit.

    Patricia (3363ec) — 9/24/2018 @ 7:01 am

    Exactly.

    We have Mao’s Cultural Revolution being taught to our young in our schools and we permit it. They don’t teach the greatness of America, just how evil and racist it is. They teach privilege and that certain people’s experiences are greater than others and you must listen to them. It’s brainwashing on a mass scale as numbers in math, science and reading continue to plummet.

    NJRob (1d7532)

  172. Colonel,

    Everything is political. Just watch TV. Sports, commercials, everything.

    The “victims” in the identity politics equation have convinced many they have the right to abusive the rest of us when they see fit.

    Until these victims are “over represented in everything they won’t be happy — which means this evil will never cease until someone (thing) puts an end to it.

    This is how Cuba happens. This is how Nicaragua.

    Bob the Builder (564d53)

  173. Advisor to Kavanaugh’s accuser was caught on audio in July predicting a coming plot to destroy nomination

    “A Democratic operative and former Clinton White House official who is now an advisor to Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser, predicted a “strategy” to defeat the US Supreme Court nominee months ago.

    Ricki Seidman spoke about a plot to take down Kavanaugh in a conference call with the American Constitution Society in July, suggesting a “strategy will emerge” that would destroy the nomination of President Donald Trump’s Supreme Court pick.

    “I do think that over the coming days and weeks there will be a strategy that will emerge, and I think it’s possible that strategy might ultimately defeat the nominee,” Seidman said in audio that was recorded by the Republican National Committee’s War Room. “And whether or not it ultimately defeats the nominee it will, I think, help people understand why it’s so important that they vote.”

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/09/22/advisor-to-kavanaughs-accuser-was-caught-on-audio-in-july-predicting-a-coming-plot-to-destroy-nomination-676531

    harkin (23a40e)

  174. So Kavanaugh and his wife and children are threatened by the crazies, dragged through the gutter, precious time will go by and another story falls apart… and then yet another nitwit will suddenly dredge up ginned-up memories of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her, and so on and so on and scooby doobie doobie

    Ooohhhhh…… sham sham.

    Colonel Haiku (167903)

  175. sleazy corrupt doj turdlord rod rosytwat resigned today?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  176. does that mean jeffy sessions gets to be attorney general now?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  177. #179 This evil will never cease and there is no end. This is why due process and consistency are important.

    All of the people coming forward now had enough time to participate in the normal process. The senators should vote. Either he gets in and we can go to the next crisis or he gets voted down and we can go to the next crisis.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  178. moments ago Axios reported that Rosenstein has decided preempt that step and has verbally resigned to Chief of Staff John Kelly in anticipation of being fired by President Trump, according to a source with direct knowledge

    lol he didn’t even bother resigning to useless toothless old lady Jeffy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  179. So, we’re about to get a week of talking heads on the news debate whether he was fired or resigned?

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  180. #186 — I really doubt it. Trump will make that clear shortly.

    Appalled (96665e)

  181. “So, we’re about to get a week of talking heads on the news debate whether he was fired or resigned?

    I doubt it. All heat must be on Kavanaugh, to hopefully get him voted down.

    But if he gets in, to cast him as a rapist for the rest of his life and to portray the GOP as alcoholic prep-school privileged, girl/women-abusing, lacrosse playing white male controllers of the Handmaids.

    harkin (a4b010)

  182. The twitters are hilarious. The blue check mark crew is searching for more sharks to jump.

    frosty48 (6226c1)

  183. Trump will make that clear shortly.

    first they have to strip-search rosytwat and see if he’s wired

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  184. Dude, do you *have* to say “twat” all the time? Seriously?

    I mean, freedom of speech and all…but it *is* offensive to some people. I mean, you don’t like it when people say things you find offensive, as we have established before?

    It’s almost like you are flipping Patterico off. You know?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  185. i have to go prep my romaine

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. ok the romaine is rinsing and i got my cutting board out and my salad spinner

    i feel like a responsible adult!

    ok

    Dude, do you *have* to say “twat” all the time? Seriously?

    I do not say twat all the time this is a misnomer.

    I mean, freedom of speech and all…but it *is* offensive to some people.

    i’m not responsible for your feelings you are

    It’s almost like you are flipping Patterico off. You know?

    no i do NOT know

    i like it that we get to talk about dirty corrupt doj people using language that reflects how dirty and corrupt they are, and i appreciate that very very much

    hopefully rosytwat goes bye bye soon and we don’t have to talk about his sleazy corrupt ass anymore

    wouldn’t that be lovely?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  187. Looks like Mueller will be reporting to Noel Francisco.

    Paul Montagu (0e687b)

  188. ROFL guess Rod Rosenstein couldn’t take the IG getting the unredacted FISA reports after all, but good on him for recusing himself completely.

    Rogue DMV Agent (335c42)

  189. first they have to strip-search rosytwat and see if he’s wired

    …and not just for recording devices.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  190. But if he gets in, to cast him as a rapist for the rest of his life and to portray the GOP as alcoholic prep-school privileged, girl/women-abusing, lacrosse playing white male controllers of the Handmaids.

    Well, once is on the Court, the next obligatory skit is Justice Kavenaugh and a guest (like that Mark Judge guy) trying to make a move on RBG in the workout room. Thank me later for the calories I kept you from digesting fully.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  191. I wonder what majority leader Schumer thinks about this?

    mg (9e54f8)

  192. Is that you, Christoph?

    DRJ (15874d)

  193. “Katherine “Kitty” Wilson

    @purrfect75
    Follow Follow @purrfect75
    More
    Rod Rosenstein’s meeting with John Kelly is over, but he’s still at the White House..The meeting between Chief of Staff John Kelly and Deputy Attorney Rod #Rosenstein is over, CNN has learned.
    #MondayMorningMassacre”

    Nixon was a great guy…but weak! Saturday night is for women parties! Monday morning is for closers!

    Rogue DMV Agent (f36b36)

  194. Time for GrAssley to hold the darn vote.

    mg (9e54f8)

  195. Imagine if McConnell, Ryan and GrAssley acted like they gave a sh!t.
    Such a sick group of malcontents.

    mg (9e54f8)

  196. Meh – No Seppuku. No R. Budd Dwyer.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  197. @187. Imagine that: the WH believing a story in the ‘fake news, failing NY Times.’

    As Trump is ‘godzilla-ing’ his way across Midtown through the U.N. this week, Tammy-Faye Huckabee Sanders says Rosenstein and Trump had an ‘extended conversation’ at Rosenstein’s request, by phone and will meet on Thursday in the WH — same day as that Ford/Kavanaugh hearing. What a surprise.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  198. Dueling stories on Thursday.

    DRJ (15874d)

  199. @204. Ugh. Caught that on the PA TeeVee back in the day. Messy business.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  200. “As Trump is ‘godzilla-ing’ his way across Midtown through the U.N. this week, Tammy-Faye Huckabee Sanders says Rosenstein and Trump had an ‘extended conversation’ at Rosenstein’s request, by phone and will meet on Thursday in the WH — same day as that Ford/Kavanaugh hearing. What a surprise.”

    I suppose you’ll need a new and improved metaphor for if Trump accepts Rosenstein’s resignation and Kavanaugh gets confirmed on the same day…may I suggest “Night of Broken Hymens?”

    Rogue DMV Agent (302967)

  201. Maybe DC people wouldn’t be routinely surprised by job outcomes if they stopped communicating with each other through journalists, whom they use as passenger pigeons for hiring and firing decisions. But this is the legacy of elevating Woodward and Bernstein while impeaching Nixon over procedural B.S.: an endless parade of mediocrities in media righteously convinced that THEY’RE THE ONE WHO’LL BRING DOWN A PRESIDENT, THEY’RE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE RESPECTED, THEY’RE THE ONES WHO ARE REALLY IN CHARGE HERE.

    The truth is that journalists…and FBI directors, and Attorneys General, and judges, and all other ‘independent’ positions that have actually been political since the dawn of time…have always been replaceable. What sort of legacy will you build on the sand of such unwarranted self-importance?

    Rogue DMV Agent (8d58d5)

  202. I tell you the truth, before this week is over, DCSCA and all the #NeverTrumpers will deny the Failing New York times (sincerely and in those exact words) three times.

    Rogue DMV Agent (cd73ff)

  203. So as far as the crowing, will it be the same rooster you plug on your off hours?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  204. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn0AEhvW0AMA5Hh.jpg

    some sweat-hoggie mama with a face like a gent
    says that he done her wrong but can’t place teh event

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. Denial understood for the simplest of reasons.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  206. Update: Arnold Stang has not resigned and has not been fired…

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqiJ1hq5c4HW_ZZjRrz4G4up4pgMm3rxprnOaRB-AfIn-EnqA

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  207. Kavanaugh is handling himself like a CHAMP!

    https://i.redd.it/hmxgj1ue68o11.jpg

    Rogue DMV Agent (3bf588)

  208. @212 . Col. some sweat-hoggie mama with a face like a gent

    My heavens, “Colonel”. Your mom -slash- grandma -slash- sisters -slash- wife -slash- daughters must be so very very proud of you! All growd up, and still retaining the exquisite nuance and sophistication and discernment of a 9 year old on a bad day! Well done. Most decidedly, well done!

    Q! (86710c)

  209. 215-DMV, he should rock the Risky Business comb-over on Thursday.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  210. 219: Women love 9 year olds, they don’t love supplicating losers who shower them with unearned compliments and talk about how they respect them so much(9 times out of 10 those are people with checkered and creepy sexual histories themsevles)

    Rogue DMV Agent (eef96e)

  211. Sorry, Q. You don’t seem to be able (or much care) to discern reality from fantasy. It’s all good, as long as it returns the left to power, right? That’s of primary importance to your crowd.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  212. 222: Q’s posts work better if you recast them in the original Mad Libs code:

    Your $POSSIBLE_MINORITY_MEMBER must be so $STRONG_ADJECTIVE at you! You’re just like a $CURRENTLY_ACCEPTABLE_NON-VOTING_INSULT_TARGET

    Rogue DMV Agent (3f2e39)

  213. It’s amazing how all these supposedly nonpartisan and trustworthy institutions suddenly come out as Democrat puppets on the eve of something important for a Democrat party future:

    “Amnesty International
    ‏Verified account @amnestyusa

    BREAKING: We are issuing a rare call for a halt to a vote on President Trump’s nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the #SCOTUS unless and until any information relevant to Kavanaugh’s possible involvement in human rights violations.”

    Rogue DMV Agent (764db6)

  214. Ah they are upset kavanaugh as staff secretary didn’t suggest the comfy chair fir the likes of abu zubedah

    narciso (d1f714)

  215. @219 Col. Sorry, Q. …

    “Colonel”. Do you reckon that it’s listening which is most particularly not your strong suit, or your not actually responding to what’s actually been said, and your simply giving voice to the vagaries whirling about at the top of your head, which is more troubling yet?

    Q! (86710c)

  216. I refuse to watch the TV spectacle of Salem Witch Trial V.2.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  217. No, I reckon that you’re a maker of excuses, Q, one who would excuse the excremental behavior of Democrats but who takes issue when it’s brought to the attention of others.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

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