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9/5/2018

Resistance: Kavanaugh Snubbed a Parkland Dad!!!!1!!11!!!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:59 am



Yesterday’s stupid story (one of them, anyway) was the claim by the Resistance that Brett Kavanaugh knowingly refused to shake the hand of the father of a Parkland victim, on account of how Kavanaugh loves the guns and hates the shooting victims.

Here’s HuffyPost:

Judge Brett Kavanaugh, President Donald Trump’s latest nominee to the Supreme Court, on Tuesday declined to shake hands with Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter died in a mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, earlier this year.

. . . .

Guttenberg’s daughter Jaime was 14 when she was killed by a gunman who opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in February. Seventeen people were killed in the shooting, and more than a dozen others were injured. Since Jaime’s death, Guttenberg has been a vocal proponent of gun control.

Here’s the tweet from the dad:

And here’s the video:

This is a hearing where 70 protestors were arrested, including 61 from the very Senate office building where the hearings are taking place. Some guy walks quickly towards Kavanaugh, who may or may not have heard what the guy says, and security is quickly coming up from behind. Kavanaugh, by all accounts a very nice family man, declines to engage with this random person in this volatile situation. And here’s how Kamala Harris reacted:

The only shaking going on here is my damn head.

Here’s your fun gag for the day. As I just made clear, there were many shrieking protestors in the room, and apparently one went on for a long time. Neal Boortz asked: “Why [has] that screeching woman in the hearing room not been removed?” and a wag responded:

LOL.

Today: Outrage Kabuki Theater, Day Two. Anything could happen!

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

114 Responses to “Resistance: Kavanaugh Snubbed a Parkland Dad!!!!1!!11!!!”

  1. I think they are still being too charitable:

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/09/05/5-takeaways-circus-democrats-made-brett-kavanaughs-scotus-hearing/

    great electoral system that yields a kamala harris, yikes,

    narciso (d1f714)

  2. the whole parkland brand’s been so trashed and nastied up it’s just sort of a joke anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Patterico, I read that as “Orange Kabuki Theater” for a moment.

    This is ALL—just like most politics today—creating an image/narrative/bumper sticker. The truth, let alone context, doesn’t matter.

    Shameless. Even though some people don’t like Ben Sasse, I thought his commentary on this was spot on.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  4. It’s striking to me that Hearings are one of the places where Senators are supposed to be seen doing their jobs. And yet Senators on both sides are contemptibly awful at doing things like asking simple questions and eliciting information that might actually help them in their reasoned consideration.

    Appalled (96665e)

  5. And let’s not forget yesterday’s second ridiculous episode, where left-wingers were accusing the gal sitting behind Kavanaugh of making “white power” hand gestures, a woman of Mexican heritage and has a family member who’s a Holocaust survivor.

    Paul Montagu (9dcfd2)

  6. That was a test of wills and concentration administered by Mrs. Bash to see who has a camera angle of concern – lest something of this nature is planned.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  7. When the fourth estate continually stokes faux outrage, is it any wonder that cries of “fake news” resonate with a sizeable portion of the public?

    John Boddie (f02b29)

  8. Thank you. Does everyone want to put these lunatics in charge?

    NJRob (e19a75)

  9. Thank you. Does everyone want to put these lunatics in charge?

    Is there much of a difference between these lunatics and those lunatics?

    Appalled (96665e)

  10. A pretty sophomoric publicity stunt that half the country went along with because tribalism.

    Dave (445e97)

  11. but

    why is CNN Jake Tapper fake news using bandwidth for this?

    this accomplishes nothing

    Hi everyone meet your new justice, Mr. Brett Kavanaugh. Everyone thinks it’s Brent but it’s not it’s actually Brett.

    Brett Brett Brett

    One day Brett didn’t shake the hand of some filthy parkland loser, and Jake Tapper cried and cried.

    But everyone soon got over it and the next day everybody was happy again!

    Brett likes baseball and being a dad. He also like corn dogs and he loves loves loves doing the constitution all up in it.

    Please stop by his cube at the court department and say hi to our new justice. Let’s make him feel welcome!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. So much for that civility thing.

    Not sure what Kavanaugh has to do with Parkland, but oh well.

    HE’S A CONSERVATIVE, HE WANTS TO KILL EVERYBODY!!

    Patricia (3363ec)

  13. BREAKING: Kavanaugh confirms, under oath, that Trump violated campaign promise

    Donald Trump famously promised to appoint “pro-life judges who will vote to overturn Roe vs. Wade. He’s now officially 0-for-2 on that promise:

    In an exchange between Sen. Chuck Grassley and Judge Brett Kavanaugh, Grassley asks the Supreme Court nominee if anyone had asked him to “make any promises or assurances at all” regarding how he would rule in various cases.

    Kavanaugh replied: “No.”

    Grassley followed up by asking Kavanaugh if anyone had asked him about his views on Roe v. Wade — the SCOTUS case that broadly legalized abortion across the United States.

    “No,” Kavanaugh said.

    Kavanaugh also continued to make damning confessions that prove he is completely out of step with the President Trump’s values:

    “No one is above the law in our constitutional system,” said Kavanaugh. “Under our system of government, the executive branch is subject to the law, subject to the court system… it is an important part of the constitutional structure.”

    “We are not supposed to be influenced by political pressure from the Executive or from the Congress. We are independent,” He added. “We make decisions based on law, not based on policy, not based on political pressure, not based on the identity of the parties, no matter who you are in our system, no matter where you come from, no matter how rich you are or how poor you are, no matter your race, your gender, no matter your station in life, no matter your position in government.”

    Kavanaugh also refused to endorse President Trump’s power to pardon himself, or his immunity from subpoena.

    Dave (445e97)

  14. Dave my Man — Kavanaugh is just bein’ smart and helping MAGA own the libs for the next 35 years. Take it all seriously, but drop this literally nonsense. Literally is just for squares and Mueller.

    Appalled (96665e)

  15. Yeah, I’m cool with Kavanaugh thus far.

    I see the Trump Presidency as a great disappointment, but all these angry people I read complaining about Republicans are just the other side of the problem. Their irrational hatred of half the country is the direct cause of this problem. Just the rapid guys on the right are the only reason Hillary Clinton could win a majority of the votes.

    We’ve got to gain our credibility as a thinking people, as a single culture that loves the greater good for eachother. Something is deeply screwed up that we’re ambushing Court appointees with heart-broken parents as a stunt. Devious and evil souls are sitting around plotting further evils that strike at our nation itself. We have to find a way to get above that fray.

    Sadly, many here, Appalled, Aphrael, Simon Jester, DRJ as a few examples though there are many, do try to be above the back and forth, and they become the target for the a special kind of anger. Figuring out why kindness to those who have different political views generates anger is probably the key to the problem.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  16. The next tome, choose amy Barrett, this is what compromise gets you.

    Narciso (c54992)

  17. The operative question here is:

    Did Fred Guttenberg, father of Jaime Guttenberg, lie; or is this some kind of misunderstanding on his part?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  18. Thank you. Does everyone want to put these lunatics in charge?

    Is there much of a difference between these lunatics and those lunatics?

    Appalled (96665e) — 9/5/2018 @ 9:32 am

    Justice Kavanaugh vs Justice Sotomayor for starters.

    NJRob (b00189)

  19. 1. narciso (d1f714) — 9/5/2018 @ 8:20 am

    great electoral system that yields a kamala harris, yikes,

    Blame campaign finance “reform,” which severely limits the number of possible candidates – and most of the remaining ones use political consultants, and never run on the real issues at hand. They either run on irrelevant issues, which they mostly or entirely have nothing to do with, or they attempt to scare people. There are some real issues, or at least sides they are on, but they hide them or use code words sometimes. The arguments of all candidates are really bad.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  20. Take it all seriously, but drop this literally nonsense. Literally is just for squares and Mueller.

    Cuck.

    :)

    Dave (445e97)

  21. oops he also *likes* corn dogs i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. 14. Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2018 @ 9:47 am

    14.BREAKING: Kavanaugh confirms, under oath, that Trump violated campaign promise

    Donald Trump famously promised to appoint “pro-life judges who will vote to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

    The opposition doesn’t seem to believe that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  23. The real lies are about the likely consequences of reversing Roe v Wade.

    Of course, the most likely thing is that simply no state laws that don’t outright outlaw any abortions will be found to hamper them, and, if Chief Roberts gets a 7-2 or better yet, an 8-1 majority for it, and he’d really shoot for 9-0, then Roe may be effectively reversed. But not so that an abortion becomes murder.

    It will definitely not be a 5-4 decision because Roberts himself won’t sign on to any such thing, because that could be reverses again with the next nominee.

    The New York Times had an article about the actual consequneces of replacng Anthony Kennedy with Breett Kavanaugh (with regard to some well known liberal issues. This is besides what they are not thining of: there not being any of the kinds of things that could happen with a liberal majority, especially with regard to freedom of religion.)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/02/us/politics/judge-kavanaugh-supreme-court-justices.html

    “I would be somewhat surprised if any of the cases relating to affirmative action, abortion, same-sex marriage or the death penalty are flat out overruled,” Professor Gornstein said. “But it would not surprise me in the slightest if the court never upholds another affirmative action plan, never finds another restriction on abortion to impose an undue burden, never extends the rights of gays and lesbians beyond where they are now, and never again expands the category of persons who may not receive the death penalty.”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  24. 4. Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/5/2018 @ 8:30 am

    This is ALL—just like most politics today—creating an image/narrative/bumper sticker. The truth, let alone context, doesn’t matter.

    Shameless.

    I second the emotion.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  25. More about political lying:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/ron-desantis-accusations-of-racism-smears-fear-mongering/

    Previous articles

    PC Culture

    Why the Left Labels DeSantis’s Comments Racist

    By Dennis Prager

    September 4, 2018 6:30 AM

    Ron DeSantis at CPAC 2016 (Gage Skidmore)

    Can’t win a debate on the issues? Resort to smears and fear-mongering.

    To appreciate the level of dishonesty and societal harm the media, the Democratic party, and others on the left engaged in last week regarding Congressman Ron DeSantis, one has to know exactly what DeSantis said.

    The day after he won the Republican primary for governor of Florida and Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum won the Democratic gubernatorial primary, DeSantis said,

    The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases bankrupting the state. That is not going to work.

    He was clearly referring to Gillum’s left-wing positions, which were described in the Sun-Sentinel, the main — and not conservative — newspaper of Broward County in South Florida:

    Gillum is an unabashed champion of his party’s most progressive ideas — including things like Medicare-for-all single-payer health system, abolishing the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, and impeaching President Donald Trump.

    So, we can at least all agree that Gillum is on the left end of a left-wing party and, therefore, that anyone from the center to the right in American politics will regard his policies as, at the very least, injurious to Florida’s — and America’s — economy.

    What, then, did DeSantis say that was morally objectionable? He said the socialist ideas of his opponent would monkey up Florida’s economy — which would be a nonissue were it not for Gillum’s being black. Therefore, according to the Democratic party and the left-wing media, DeSantis used that term to send a “racist dog whistle” to fellow Republican racists.

    As Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart headlined his column, “Ron DeSantis’s ‘Monkey’ Comment Was Just the Start of His Racist Dog-Whistling.” “The obvious slur here is ‘monkey this up,’” he wrote. “Likening African Americans to monkeys, apes and chimps is a racist pastime.”

    The chairwoman of the Florida Democratic party, Terrie Rizzo, tweeted, “It’s disgusting that Ron DeSantis is launching his general election campaign with racist dog whistles.”

    Florida congresswoman Frederica Wilson, a Democrat who represents a district in South Florida, said:

    They always find a way to add some sort of insult to African-Americans and make it racist. “Monkeying this up” is clearly communicating that.

    “Apes” and “monkey” are “by far the best-known racist references to African-Americans in our national folklore,” The NAACP Florida State conference said. “It’s only equal in racial semantics to the ‘N-word.’”

    Gillum himself said: “It’s very clear that Mr. DeSantis is taking a page directly from the campaign manual of Donald Trump.”

    On CNN, Gillum told Chris Cuomo, “Well, I’ll try to be articulate” — sarcastically referencing DeSantis’s description of him as an “articulate” advocate of the leftist policies he espouses. This is normally a compliment, but it is now deemed racist when used to describe any black. “He’s apparently given up the whistle,” Gillum continued. “They’ve gone to the bullhorn with these kinds of tactics.”

    On the CNN website, LZ Granderson wrote:

    White people linking black people to monkeys has been a racist trope for centuries. That’s why when Florida Rep. Ron DeSantis, the Republican nominee for governor, used the phrase “monkey this up” when talking about the handling of the economy by his black Democratic opponent, it was hard to believe that the word choice was an accident.

    The New York Times reported, “Sharon Austin, a professor of political science at the University of Florida, said she saw Mr. DeSantis’s language as a not-so-subtle racist dog whistle.”

    Princeton University African-American studies professor Eddie Glaude Jr. said on MSNBC:

    That’s obviously a racial dog whistle. . . . Here we are once again. We are right back where we’ve always been.

    Why does the Left do this? Why does it incessantly libel Republicans and conservatives as racists?

    The answers are as vile as they are obvious.

    First, the Left fears that unless blacks continue to believe that Republicans are racists, they will not overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. And if they don’t, Democrats will not regain the White House for the foreseeable future. The same holds true for depicting Republicans and conservatives as women haters. There is no better way to persuade college-indoctrinated women to vote Democratic. And the same holds true for Latinos — Republicans must be continuously labeled “white supremacists” and “xenophobes,” or they, too, may not reliably vote Democratic.

    The last one has a basis in fact, but only a basis – it is not quite accurate, (on purpose). Republicans, for no good reason, tend to be loudly anti-immigrant, and especially anti-illegal immigrant, where the most vile slanders are used as justification, and this is killing them among Hispanics – and rich Asians, who otherwise would be a pretty Republican group. (The Asians, and some others, care mostly about future legal immigration, not having too many illegal immigrants in their midsts, but anyone against illegal immigration is against legal immmigration as well – their goal is for whatever law produces lower numbers, and they don’t care about the balance between legal immigrants and formerly illegal ones.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  26. “But it would not surprise me in the slightest if the court never upholds another affirmative action plan, never finds another restriction on abortion to impose an undue burden, never extends the rights of gays and lesbians beyond where they are now, and never again expands the category of persons who may not receive the death penalty.”

    Amazing quote Sammy.

    so the fear is that the Court won’t be changing the law in a progressive, endless push towards ideas that democrats are unable to get enacted in law. So to some of these people, the Court is really just an alternative legislature for less popular stuff, and it’s sad to them if justices just kinda hold the law where it is.

    Education is the key problem here.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  27. The Parkland parent who tried the handshake kabuki theatre tweeted this on Monday:

    Fred Guttenberg

    @fred_guttenberg
    I will be at Kavanaugh hearings and I hope to play a role in ensuring that this man does not become the next Supreme Court Justice.

    That’s some fair shake.
    __ _

    And oh yeah another parent gets it:

    Andrew Pollack
    @AndrewPollackFL
    I. Will. Never. See. My. Daughter. Again.

    Blaming President Trump and Judge Kavanaugh (of all people) for Parkland is completely illogical. They had nothing to do with it.

    My daughter is dead because the school board, the police, and the FBI all failed to protect her.
    __ _

    This post could use both those tweets.

    harkin (c7ccf8)

  28. https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/life-before-the-internet

    For example, if you’re on Twitter, you probably don’t follow any of the people who concluded, without any evidence, that Zina Bash, a Mexico-born, half-Jewish Latina former clerk of Judge Brett Kavanaugh and a member of his confirmation team, was making a white-supremacist hand gesture during Tuesday’s hearing. No less an authority than the Anti-Defamation League has declared that the “okay” hand gesture is not a subtle signal of “white power.” They note that online communities such as 4Chan enjoy creating hoaxes and taking “innocuous items, symbols or gestures and falsely attribute white supremacist meanings to them in order to fool liberals and get them to spread such false messages.”

    Trying to get liberals to parody themselves? Or are such people actuallyon the “liberal” side?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  29. Education is the key problem here.

    you have to go to real schools not trashy parkland ones

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. Kavanaugh should be prosecuted for child endangerment for bringing his two daughters to the hearing.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  31. oh hey happyfeet, good to see you.

    I am not sure what can be done with education, but one of the core problems is that the entire enterprise of higher ed is too large. It’s too large and we have too many people going to college, too many people becoming professors, and it’s making the whole thing expensive and mediocre. Our nation only needs so many political scientists and english professors. A few truly talented people who challenge concepts, rather than repeat the same stuff to be regurgitated on tests that ultimately are about getting tuition revenue, not improving the body of human knowledge.

    That trickles down to high school and our culture. We’ve got to raise the bar somehow, and a lot of people need to opt out of getting a bachelor’s degree, or at least wait until they are in their mid-20s to make decisions about that stuff.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  32. here’s kind of an educate for you if you live in Chicago

    they’re gonna start this September 29 which is a saturday

    i guess it’s kinda like what Disney does with the castle but more artistic and such

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. He did it. End story.

    Today’s episode: smarmy swap-creature out-Rudying Rudy using September 11 in a sentence.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. Because educational frameworks are not knowledge based, robin has illuminated this point, on the invisible serfs collar blog, mist are based on soviet templates.

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. @31.Kavanaugh should be prosecuted for child endangerment for bringing his two daughters to the hearing.

    A more interesting question would be why they aren’t in school like everyone else’s kids.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Hi Mr. Dustin

    education

    the global warming hoax was the nose of the proverb-camel

    at all levels of education really

    once they realized how effectively they could brainwash kids with the global warming nonsense they moved on to everything else

    doing dirty he-she transgenders all up in it

    doing gun control all up in it

    doing racism privilege twaddle all up in it

    and anti-capitalism

    and safe space snowflakery

    they’ve tasted this power now and it was like mainlining cocaine and they’ll never ever give this up

    american schools are become an institution what thrives on child abuse

    this is what they do anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. The Pyrite rule: the more negative the reaction, the more truthful the statment.

    That seems to heva been the idea behind the protests at the Kavanaugh hearing: That people should judge the truthfulness (and the importance) of the objections by the vehemence of the opposition.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  38. drudge played right into it yesterday

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. And Putin smiled…

    Nobody wins in this- particularly ‘We The People.’ The ‘truth’ here would be to simply to open up the papers and honestly vet the guy- any guy or gal- for the gig- all the gigs– when slots open up. McConnell may have been right after all flagging this fella. The Senate is going to give any conservative a nod on this slot regardless. A swamp-creature doesn’t help.

    But it’s all just another example of why it’s harder and harder to ‘sell America’ around the world these days w/a clown show going on in all three circus rings. ‘The Greatest Show on Earth’ folded the tents because it couldn’t sell the show to modern audiences anymore. The advancing world looks, shrugs and is passing on by…

    And Putin smiled.

    __________

    Woodward smacks Trump in face w/chocolate cream pie; Trump bites, cries Woodward’s pies are overrated, tasteless and he’s a lousy cook.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. I think the most telling part of the left’s charade was when Linda Sarsour, Women’s March leader, was arrested for causing a disruption by standing up in the chamber and shouting along with other protesters, and because of the drama, Mrs. Kavanagh was “compelled” to escort her two daughters, ages 8 and 10, out of the chamber because they got so scared. The left’s constant yammering about the need for “civility” is just more bullshit. And most clearly, McCain’s bipartisan legacy along with his ability to work across the aisle – which was widely praised by the left – is simply a feel-good massage they give themselves at opportune moments so they can feel smugly righteous about being such narrow-minded, self-consumed scolds.

    Dustin @ 16, as a guest contributor here, I’ve riled up more than a few with my views re this administration, and have taken the hits as a result, in spite of making a concerted effort at politeness, and yes, civility.

    Dana (023079)

  41. “A more interesting question would be why they aren’t in school like everyone else’s kids.”

    Everyone else like parents in Chicago?

    Top Chicago school authorities are working on new strategies to address the city’s crushing pattern of elementary grade absenteeism and truancy……

    …….”This is a priority for us,” Dhupelia told the three dozen educators and officials at the meeting. “We see this as an ‘it takes a village’ issue. We can’t tackle this alone.”

    The General Assembly formed the task force after a Tribune investigation reported that nearly 32,000 of the city’s K-8 grade students — or roughly 1 in 8 — miss a month or more of class per year, while thousands of youngsters vanish from the attendance rolls altogether.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-truancy-hearing-met-20131208-story.html

    They read about the truancy problem…..in the newspaper. But Kavanaugh’s kids showed up for his SCOTUS hearing!!

    harkin (c7ccf8)

  42. Stop tuning into the gorilla channel,

    Narciso (c54992)

  43. But Kavanaugh’s kids showed up for his SCOTUS hearing!!

    But not for class at school.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. Neal Boortz asked: “Why [has] that screeching woman in the hearing room not been removed?”

    Meh.

    Lindsey Graham is a member of the committee and has a right to be there, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. Kavanaugh refusal to shake hands reported as fact – with an Associated Press picture: (actually two)

    http://www.newser.com/story/264224/kavanaugh-turns-away-from-parkland-dads-handshake.html

    Pictures show Fred Guttenberg stretching out his hand standing within reach if Kavanaugh also stretched out his hand) and Kavanaugh with hands in front of him looking maybe beyond Guttenberg – not quite at him but maybe 15 to 30 degrees to his side. The second picture shows Kavanaugh facing away from Guttenberg and walking away. Guttenberg’s left hand is maybe not quite one foot away from Kavanaugh’s right elbow. (it’s not a serious attempt to shake his hand – it’s a serious attempt to get a picture or two of him not shaking his hand.) I man who leaves his hand out like that?)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  46. Guttenberg is saying he was not an “unknown individual” as security says, because Senator Feinstein had introduced him (to the audience?) some time before.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  47. Althouse on the hearings. She said she couldn’t cover all fof it – there was too much. She thinks Grassley decided to let the protesters go ahead, maybe because they damage their case.

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6329595&postID=5621411558849072499&bpli=1&pli=1

    9. Patrick Leahy. The gravelly-voiced Senator — who I’m surprised to see is only 78 — laid an elaborate trap that hyper-focused on some typo-ridden email that a fellow named Miranda had stolen from him. The idea seemed to be that Kavanaugh knew about this terrible theft (which I think may have upset Leahy not so much because it was “stolen” as because it was so embarrassingly badly written). It was was only a draft as anyone could see, so anyone would know it was stolen, stolen… Or something like that. Miranda was a mole, a mole, I tell you!! I think this is video of Leahy…

    Kavanaugh kept his cool, but he needed to see the email under discussion, so we had a minute of watching Kavanaugh read. Then Kavanaugh asked Leahy to tell him where to look to see what he was talking about, and Leahy, facing the requirement that he too read on camera, and quite apparently not up to the task, said he’d move on to some other question. So much for the trap. Leahy proceeded to some other document-heavy trap that didn’t work, and he tried to blame Grassley for keeping something confidential and — with the 85-year-old Feinstein sitting between them — the 84-year-old Grassley went ballistic on Leahy. Zero progress was made against Kavanaugh, and I think Kavanaugh had to suppress laughter. Here at Meadhouse, we frequently paused and laughed and were all Ahh, but the strawberries that’s… that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with… geometric logic…

    Senator Diane Feinstein quietly told Senator Patrick Leahy “It’s not there”

    The audio has been broadcast.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  48. At least fred didn’t bring a pick up truck to run kavenaugh over!

    lany (2a40ac)

  49. Anotgehr person approached someone at another hearing.

    It turned out to be Alex Jones.

    http://www.newser.com/story/264237/alex-jones-marco-rubio-get-into-it-outside-hearing.html

    Video Sommer tweeted of the exchange shows Rubio speaking with reporters as Jones keeps interrupting with questions and statements before moving on to calling Rubio a “snake” and “frat boy.” Rubio replies, “I swear to God, I don’t know who you are, man.” As Jones tries to clarify, Rubio tells him “not to touch me again.” Replies Jones, “I’m just patting you nicely,” before suggesting Rubio wants to get him arrested. Rubio says, “You’re not going to get arrested man. I’ll take care of you myself.” Jones tells him, “You are literally like a little gangster thug.” As Rubio excuses himself to go back to the committee, he refers to Jones as “this clown.” Responds Jones, “Go back to your bathhouse.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  50. “I swear to God, I don’t know who you are, man.”

    This is the worst thing anyone has ever said to Alex Jones

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  51. Dustin @ 16, as a guest contributor here, I’ve riled up more than a few with my views re this administration, and have taken the hits as a result, in spite of making a concerted effort at politeness, and yes, civility.

    Dana (023079) — 9/5/2018 @ 12:17 pm

    I’m not saying to not be civil of course, but that seems to be provoking some folks. It’s like wanting the best country for even those Hillary supporting devils is the opposite of what some want these days.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  52. rubio burbled on and on about russian interference in social media

    like a half-wit

    alex jones seemed like he’d taken amphetamines plus he seemed anxious like he knew he needed to perform well but wasn’t really sure what to do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  53. Who cares about the handshake – not me anyway.

    Why can’t Cravenaugh say whether he thinks Traitor Trump can pardon himself?

    Why are there so many documents being hidden?

    Why can’t he answer basic questions about whether a sitting president can face charges?

    Why are we letting a criminal elect one of our justices to the SCOTUS?

    Tillman (d34303)

  54. “It’s like wanting the best country for even those Hillary supporting devils is the opposite of what some want these days.”

    You could not be more wrong. It’s not that most conservatives don’t want the best country for every citizen (and that’s the point), it’s that most Hillary/Obama/Bernie supporters consider that country one of the worst on earth and needing the state to make it all better.

    harkin (9803a7)

  55. Breaking- Trump goes full Queeg, red and sweaty on live TV over NYT anom. op-ed.

    Prop cops behind him clap press bashing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. Attention K-Mart shoppers!

    Spanky All Butthurt cleanup on isle 9: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/05/politics/nyt-trump-resistance-op-ed/index.html

    Tillman (d34303)

  57. @29 Sammy

    Re: the “white power” OK gesture.

    National Review is being disingenuous, especially with their link to that ADL article. It overlooks this section, which (in my opinion) likely represents Ms. Bash’s motivations:

    Reaction to the “OK” symbol hoax was so widespread in the spring and summer of 2017 that a number of people on the far right began deliberately to use the gesture—typically making the sign while posing for photographs uploaded to social media—in order to continue the trolling and spread it further.
    Over the year and a half since the original hoax campaign began, ADL has tracked its usage by a variety of figures on the far right, including some well-known white supremacists, though it seems to be even more popular among the so-called alt lite. Use of the “OK” gesture has spread beyond the far right and can now also be found within the broad community of mainstream Donald Trump supporters—some of whom seem to have no idea of its origins.
    Even though its usage has expanded and evolved, it still seems primarily intended to trigger or troll people on the left and cause them to react, although some white supremacists have also used it—generally jokingly—among themselves.

    I personally think it’s lame along with all the other “doing xxx to trigger the libs” performances.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  58. You could not be more wrong. It’s not that most conservatives don’t want the best country for every citizen (and that’s the point), it’s that most Hillary/Obama/Bernie supporters consider that country one of the worst on earth and needing the state to make it all better.

    harkin (9803a7) — 9/5/2018 @ 2:11 pm

    So do you identify with my point or do you not? You’ve decided to respond as though it pertains to you, but you deny it does. Seems to me like you just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. If so, I think I’m 100% right.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  59. 54. Why can’t Cravenaugh say whether he thinks Traitor Trump can pardon himself?

    It might come before the court.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  60. “Please, we must maintain decorum and proper order to ram through the Supreme Court pick of the rapist game show host before he’s indicted for a federal crime.”

    “Crazytown,” indeed.

    Tillman (d34303)

  61. Sammy, attorneys have to hide their opinions on law because “it might come before the court?” I don’t follow that. SCOTUS nominees hiding their opinions of the law didn’t come about until Roe, you know. It’s just a slippery, weasel move.

    Tillman (d34303)

  62. The guy (or gal, but probably a guy) who wrote that anonymous op-ed in the NYT is a great American, serving the Office of the President and not kowtowing to the man currently in that office. I wouldn’t be surprised if the author is General Kelly.

    Paul Montagu (9dcfd2)

  63. Between funerals and this abortion these ingrates deserve coal.

    mg (7e0e37)

  64. Ill bet thats the only time them women scream.

    mg (7e0e37)

  65. Did anyone notice at the very end of the video that the man’s outstretched hand quickly turned to the wagging, pointing finger? Anyways, I question his sincerity. It was political theater. He could’ve easily arranged a meet-up with Kavanaugh that did not have to be in a Senate hearing room.

    Paul Montagu (9dcfd2)

  66. You’ve bought timeshare in the past, montagu.

    Narciso (c54992)

  67. And he can sell that timeshare with a bridge to nowhere at the low price of THREE HOURS OF SCREAMING BINARY CHOICE !!!!!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  68. NYT Op-Ed: I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration – 9/5/2018

    I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

    “President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

    It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

    The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

    I would know. I am one of them.

    To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

    But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

    That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

    The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

    Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

    In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

    Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

    But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

    From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

    Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

    “There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

    The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

    It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

    The result is a two-track presidency.

    Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

    Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

    On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

    This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

    Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

    The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

    Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

    We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.

    There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.”

    The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.

    My guess: Mike Pence.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. “Please, we must maintain decorum and proper order to ram through the Supreme Court pick of the rapist game show host before he’s indicted for a federal crime.”

    “Crazytown,” indeed.

    Tillman (d34303) — 9/5/2018 @ 2:53 pm

    I agree. Ginsburg and Breyer should immediately resign from the Supreme Court since rapist Bill Clinton put them there.

    NJRob (b00189)

  70. The guy (or gal, but probably a guy) who wrote that anonymous op-ed in the NYT is a great American, serving the Office of the President and not kowtowing to the man currently in that office. I wouldn’t be surprised if the author is General Kelly.

    Paul Montagu (9dcfd2) — 9/5/2018 @ 3:08 pm

    You mean the guy who admitted he’s part of the deep state trying to undermine the President and overturn the 2016 election?

    NJRob (b00189)

  71. “So do you identify with my point or do you not? You’ve decided to respond as though it pertains to you, but you deny it does. Seems to me like you just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. If so, I think I’m 100% right.”

    Well, you could try reading it again, or else take that glorious response around the park a couple more times, declare yourself 100% right again and live in bliss.

    harkin (c7ccf8)

  72. @63. Not really. It’s fairly gutless and certainly less than adult not to attach your name to it.

    My guess is it’s Pence, given his moral streak, the rhyming phrases, tone of the piece and his duties w/t McCain ceremonies. Nobody’s job is safe and he doesn’t want to be tossed off the ticket.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. “I agree. Ginsburg and Breyer should immediately resign from the Supreme Court since rapist Bill Clinton put them there.

    It’s different when their side does it.

    Nobody dodged questions like Sleepy Ruth, the champion of inclusion who hired one black clerk in 28 years while on the appellate and supreme courts.

    harkin (c7ccf8)

  74. My guess: Mike Pence.

    I doubt it, unless he got a spine transplant while nobody was looking.

    It would be cool if it were Nikki Haley.

    But regardless, these guys are doing it all wrong.

    Instead of taking papers off his desk, so he can’t sign them, they need to slip papers onto his desk so he *will* sign them.

    Like a 100-page policy whitepaper full of dense, unreadable technical jargon, or an innocuous but verbose proclamation of National Meatloaf Day, where the key sentence “I hereby resign the office of the presidency, effective immediately” is tucked away on the next to last page.

    Problem solved, with no constitutional crisis of any kind.

    Dave (445e97)

  75. So glad elite jebbie spent 100’s of millions on 1 vote. The republicans are suckers.
    lmao.

    mg (7e0e37)

  76. That or an Anchorman teleprompter trick, where “I hereby resign” is translated to Russian and he’s told it’s an Orthodox Christmas prayer.

    urbanleftbehind (fea0b4)

  77. My guess is it’s Pence, given his moral streak, the rhyming phrases, tone of the piece and his duties w/t McCain ceremonies. Nobody’s job is safe and he doesn’t want to be tossed off the ticket.

    Pence sold his soul to the devil on the day he agreed to be on the ticket.

    Pence went around the country for months telling people to put Donald Trump where he is today.

    It’s more likely to be Ivanka than Pence.

    Another reason it’s for sure not Pence: the NYT said disclosing the official’s name would jeopardize their job.

    That is undoubtedly true of every “senior administration official,” except one: Mike Pence.

    Dave (445e97)

  78. If its Ivanka, why not Jared or Mnuchin – not only do they worry about “job”, but having Alpha goy dispatched for a certain mission(ary) if they get out of line.

    urbanleftbehind (fea0b4)

  79. Dave, I understand where you’re coming from. I think Trump’s a pretty terrible person. But if Trump offered me the VP slot, I’d jump for it. I think many patriotic people would, and not solely sell-outs. Pence is actually not a bad VP. He’s mild and if something happened to cause Trump out of office, Pence would provide an element of stability. I don’t hold it against any of Trump’s administration for trying to make some kind of difference. We’ve all worked for people we didn’t necessarily like that much.

    And even those who campaigned for Trump, many of them genuinely believed Trump would be a brilliant businessman, and really shake things up to cut out bad elements of our government. I don’t think it’s worked out that way at all, but we can’t put humpty dumpty back together again if we can’t try to see the other point of view on Trump. Yes, Trump’s critics were right, but somehow we’ve all got to come together, and I don’t think told-ya-sos will work.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  80. Perhaps one of the republican clowns could ask Kavanaugh to explain to the stupid democrats how fisa warrants are obtained.

    mg (7e0e37)

  81. Pence is next in the shooting gallery, I blame him in part for this kerfluffle with general Flynn,

    Narciso (c54992)

  82. He’s been a bumbling Cassius since the get go, had to be scared into submission at the Newark Airport.

    urbanleftbehind (fea0b4)

  83. Dave, I understand where you’re coming from. I think Trump’s a pretty terrible person. But if

    Trump offered me the VP slot, I’d jump for it.

    Shame!

    I think many patriotic people would, and not solely sell-outs.

    If I thought I could use the vice-presidency to remove him from office using the 25th Amendment, I would be tempted to consider. But accepting any position, especially a high-ranking one like VP or “senior administration official” implies a commitment to support the chief executive and his policies, and there is no way I could make such a commitment, and no way I would lie to get around doing so.

    Pence is actually not a bad VP. He’s mild and if something happened to cause Trump out of office, Pence would provide an element of stability.

    It’s hard not to look good when you’re being compared to Donald Trump. The fact is, Pence was smart enough to know what Donald Trump was, and he agreed to help put him in the White House anyway. That is an inexcusable failure of judgment.

    I don’t hold it against any of Trump’s administration for trying to make some kind of difference. We’ve all worked for people we didn’t necessarily like that much.

    This isn’t about “working for people we don’t like”. It’s about becoming a servant of someone who is proudly and irredeemably evil.

    And even those who campaigned for Trump, many of them genuinely believed Trump would be a brilliant businessman, and really shake things up to cut out bad elements of our government.

    I don’t doubt it. Their first step should be to openly admit the magnitude and gravity of that error of judgment. Like Donald Trump’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton for president, it should be, per se, a disqualification from consideration for any position of responsibility in the future.

    Dave (445e97)

  84. @75. I doubt it, unless he got a spine transplant while nobody was looking.

    We’ll likely know eventually. Not putting your name to it is pretty spineless as is. But it would be the first hint at something he’d do ‘to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. @78. Another reason it’s for sure not Pence: the NYT said disclosing the official’s name would jeopardize their job. That is undoubtedly true of every “senior administration official,” except one: Mike Pence.

    Not so sure; nobody’s job is secure and there’s no guarantee Trump wants him to stay on the ticket in 2020 anyway- if he makes it to another election cycle. We’ll find out soon enough most likely.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. The Senate should censure the Minority Leader for bringing the Senate into disrepute.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  87. The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.

    My guess: Some GS-12 in charge of paper-clip procurement.

    Or Sarah Jeong. This is the NYT after all, where meeting a press time is more important than the truth.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. Newsflash: Guttenberg refused to shake my hand! Where’s the media coverage?

    rcocean (1a839e)

  89. @88 nk

    “Or Sarah Jeong. This is the NYT after all, where meeting a press time is more important than the truth.”

    All the messaging currently coming out of the white house is treating it as true. Not a sign of “fake news!” anywhere.

    Davethulhu (fddbc4)

  90. My money is on the russian janitor who works for the NYT.

    mg (7e0e37)

  91. Whoever wrote the Op-ed is cowardly, gutless, Never-Trumper. Is anybody surprised he’s a freetrader and for open borders? And all in favor of Mueller?

    Anyone with morals, would resign. Not sabotage Trump while pretending to be a loyal subordinate.

    People hate traitors for a reason.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  92. I didn’t know you would be that jazzed up for this bit of news, rocean.

    urbanleftbehind (fea0b4)

  93. Press Secretary Sanders:
    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1037452576533434373

    “The individual behind this piece has chosen to deceive, rather than support, the duly elected President of the United States. He is not putting country first, but putting himself and his ego ahead of the will of the American people. This coward should do the right thing and resign.”

    Davethulhu (fddbc4)

  94. People hate traitors for a reason

    Spoiler alert: Donald Trump is the traitor who is still trying to cover up a foreign military attack on our country, because it was intended to (and did) help him.

    Dave (445e97)

  95. Dollars to donuts that’s it’s nobody who went in with Trump but, instead, either a GS careerist or deputy-assistant or assistant-deputy or deputy-assistant-to-the-assistant-deputy holdover from the Obama administration.

    nk (dbc370)

  96. Alex Jones to write the rebuttal for the NYT.

    mg (7e0e37)

  97. Assume power, pull levers, take control without ever having to run for office, earn a single vote or gain consent of the governed. NeverTrumpers take note: that NYT writer has captured your blueprint for winning.

    Munroe (9107ad)

  98. Dave showing his CONservative beliefs at 5:09pm. Must put a leftist in power. It’s the only way CONservatives win. Just like Bill Kristol demands.

    NJRob (b00189)

  99. Alex Jones best watch out for the baser of Narciso’s relatives.

    urbanleftbehind (fea0b4)

  100. I was loathing Alex Jones when he was dissing the tea party as being too globalism. His theories are fairly facile claptrap,

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. It’s about becoming a servant of someone who is proudly and irredeemably evil.

    Stakes are too high to refuse to serve in trump’s government. Take Sessions’s glorious recusal as the best example and every soldier deployed as a fairly great one.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  102. @96. Make mine jelly.

    It’s clearly someone there from the get-go. And still there. My bet remains Pence and the McCain mess, disrespect in death– flags and all– was likely the last straw.

    He can go rogue. Or go Spiro.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. 97.Alex Jones to write the rebuttal for the NYT.

    Breaking news??? – Alex Jones can write?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  104. No doubt the SOB is a lawyer.

    mg (7e0e37)

  105. Does Sarah Sanders not understand that people who do things for the sake of ego generally do not choose to remain anonymous?

    Is anyone really incredulous that Trump’s behavior behind closed doors might be very much like his public comportment?

    Radegunda (7137ae)

  106. Notrumper hysteria is the best. JHC you people are a lol 3-ring circus.
    Hee-Haw

    mg (7e0e37)

  107. 86, It can’t be Mike Pence, for reasons besides not fitting his beliefs: He doesn’t have any line responsibilities. In GHWB’s words in 1986: He’s out of the loop – which used to mean out of the chain of command. Bush didn’t realize in 1992 that the meaning had been changed.

    Sammy Finkelman (286595)

  108. It can’t be Mike Pence

    Yes it can.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. @54. Swamp-Creatures; it’s what you don’t know and see that makes a horror flick flush with fear.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. mg, the hysteria is coming from Trump devotees who appear to be desperately afraid of learning that the Donald Trump they idolize is largely a fantasy.

    Radegunda (7137ae)

  111. It still very vague hyperventilating, I would have thought he had called air strike on a north Korean launch site. That might have been necessary last summer.

    Narciso (c54992)

  112. 111- shove it in the ballot box

    mg (7e0e37)

  113. I have a new thread on the NYT op-ed here. Take your commentary about that piece to that thread, please.

    Patterico (115b1f)


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