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7/21/2018

The Carter Page FISA Applications Have Been Released

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:32 pm

You can read them here. Don’t forget to thank the #FAKENEWSMEDIA for getting them for you.

A footnote at page 16 has this information:

Footnote re Hillary

A quick read suggests: 1) the much-ballyhooed “refusal to name Hillary Clinton” appears totally consistent with the phraseology of the rest of the document; and 2) the information from the Steele dossier does not appear to be the only information used against Page. Both are as I always suspected.

The New York Times also says:

The renewal applications from 2017 told the court in boldface print that the F.B.I. had severed its relationship with Mr. Steele because he had shared some of his claims with a news organization in October 2016, contrary to the F.B.I.’s “admonishment” to speak only to law enforcement officials about the matter. But they said the bureau continued to assess his prior reporting as “reliable.”

Let the partisan spinning begin. Me, I’m not surprised by any of it. Not one bit.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

293 Responses to “The Carter Page FISA Applications Have Been Released”

  1. Tell me more about how Devin Nunes accurately portrayed this material.

    *rests head on hand and waits expectantly*

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  2. The evidence was based on source #1, which is steele

    narciso (d1f714)

  3. Didn’t Devin Nunes tell us the FBI TOTALLY HID everything about how the Steele investigation got started?

    Read that footnote screenshotted above. Does that look like they completely hid it?

    Of course, the claim changed over time, and became “THEY DIDN’T USE HILLARY CLINTON’S NAME!!!!11!” even though it’s perfectly obvious from the above that it was someone trying to discredit Trump.

    What a bunch of partisan horseshit this has all been. And obviously so.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  4. The evidence was based on source #1, which is steele

    And a bunch of other stuff (although mostly redacted).

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  5. And judicial watch filed the foia trust us its not another paid source like halper mifsud greenberg?

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. So Hillary Clinton is supposed to be that one individual who wanted to discredit candidate Trump? I think I understand what you are saying, Patterico… as there was no one else looking to discredit Donald Trump.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  7. I was thinking over 400 pages might be a little daunting, but given all the redaction, it may not be so bad.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. What color pantsuit was Hillary wearing when she tried to discredit Trump’s campaign and why did the FBI leave that out too? Because that’s what’s important to weighing the credibility of the informant. Not that he was hired by someone with the ulterior motive to discredit Trump’s campaign.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. The one that looks like the curtains, when Mark Elias cut the check to fusion GPS, so why espionage charges against page?

    Narciso (a245e7)

  10. So Hillary Clinton is supposed to be that one individual who wanted to discredit candidate Trump? I think I understand what you are saying, Patterico… as there was no one else looking to discredit Donald Trump.

    At different times different people were, to be sure, but other than a pathological hatred for Hillary I can’t see what difference it makes if it was her or Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush or whoever.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  11. What color pantsuit was Hillary wearing when she tried to discredit Trump’s campaign and why did the FBI leave that out too? Because that’s what’s important to weighing the credibility of the informant. Not that he was hired by someone with the ulterior motive to discredit Trump’s campaign.

    Precisely. And with all these redactions we can’t even tell if the other sources even wore pantsuits at all, much less their color.

    Thanks for expressing in a more amusing way what I just tried to say in my previous comment.

    This whole episode is one huge sorry embarrassment to partisans. For this we were supposed to throw the whole FBI under the bus?

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  12. … and was that pantsuit loaded. If it had been, revealing that info would’ve been enough to identify that curious individual.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. …which, of course, would require another redaction.

    But who’s counting?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. If Gibson cutcher had paid Blackwater to gather info on Hillary that wouldn’t be suspicious right.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  15. No… only their sorry-ass leadership.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. Derp State… derpity Derp Derp.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. 10. It wasn’t a pathological hatred of Hilary. It was a pathological fear of Hilary. The same pathological fear that put Trump in the White House.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  18. A reasonable assumption is strzok is the supervising agent, just like he handled midyear.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  19. All of this is pretty darn redaccted, if you ask me. Seems like the Carter Page indictment has been redacted, too.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  20. Patterico, why even feed the trolls? Yeah, I know I do it too.

    Regardless of objective facts, the answer will either be:

    A) I reject your reality and substitute my own.
    B) Whatabout

    Its hard to argue with 13 year olds. Nahah, I know you are but what am I.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  21. 20. In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. (h/t Orwell)

    Gryph (5efbad)

  22. 18. I agree that’s a reasonable assumption. Until we can get someone with strong enough X-ray vision to see through these redactions, we’ll never know.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  23. And we’ve been in a time of deceit for two years now.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  24. 23. It’s been longer than that, Narciso. Until the voters accept the fact that their votes don’t really matter, I don’t expect much of any significance to change.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  25. Judicial Watch is fake news media or was that sarcasm? MSM hasn’t shown much interest in it at all.

    Find it interesting a prosecutor wouldn’t want to know exactly where evidence came from and who supplied it. The mailman delivered it holds up in court these days?

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  26. I’m pretty sure I understand what Pat means by “partisan” here. And I agree with him as far as he’s gone. Still, I think that what he doesn’t say is just as important here. Democrats don’t have a monopoly on government malfeasance and political perfidy.

    The next time someone complains about the EPA, remind them that Richard Nixon (a Republican) signed it into existence.

    The next time someone complains about health care costs, remind them that George W. Bush (a Republican) signed Medicare Part D into existence.

    The next time someone complains about “security” at airports, remind them that Bush 43 also signed the TSA into existence.

    Yeah sure, Nixon and Bush had infinitely more class than Trump, but let’s not pretend they were friends of freedom.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  27. And that has nothing to do with this matter, this is more akin to the cables Howard hunt spliced together ‘re the diem coup.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  28. 27. My point in pointing that out in my last-above post is that Dems don’t have a monopoly on partisanship, Narciso.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  29. @6/@7/@12/@16 =Haikumakov!= Gesundheitski!

    Red Colonel: Colluding, Complicit, Comradeski and Pinko: CCCP. Still haven’t showed, eh.

    You can quiz ‘The Great Putini, Master Of Collusion,’ when get new orders over borscht and vodka at the Russian Tea Room when he’s welcomed stateside. He knows all.

    For this we were supposed to throw the whole FBI under the bus?

    Colluder Nunes will do.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. It’s Horseschiffgate!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. You’ve been reading too many Martin Cruz paperbacks, ASPCA.

    You support the political party that has a verifiable history of supporting and cozying up to Commies.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. Dan Silva’s latest is disappointing, you can spot the twist a mile away.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  33. =@29. Haikuminski!= Gesundheitov!

    Anybody… any Trumpskite, inclusing you, who tries to help spin for him– at mother ship Fox; on blogs or otherwise- is essentially complicit with Traitor Trump; you’re an enabler– a colluder.

    You will not be allowed to distract from this. It’s commands repeating this to you Trumpanovs over and over, – as is Traitor Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’

    Traitor Trump, strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, Finland, stood just five feet from Putin, a trained KGB agent, dropped his pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s utter delight, wiped your azz w/t U.S. flag.

    You’re still covered in stink, Red. Hit the showers. It’s time to get your papers renewed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. Attaboy, DCSCA! Keep at it! If you repeat it long enough, people might believe it. The fact is that Trump’s miserable performance in front of the cameras and microphones in Helsinki cost America nothing. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. No American wallet is missing, no American leg is broken. The only things that were damaged were Trump’s ego and reputation, and as to those I don’t really care do U?

    nk (dbc370)

  35. His eight track tape of Bachman turners jammed tight coronello.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  36. @35. So sez the endlessly whining Colludin’ Cuban; time to have your papers renewed. Here’s your chance: you’re a dime a dozen in South Florida, and Traitor Trump is hiring at Mar-A-Lago for the winter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. I don’t live in south Florida, subgenius, as for colluders a scion of the Graham bell family got away with it for 30 years.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  38. 35… yes it is, narciso, and I think we can make an educated guess where it’s jammed.

    But let’s just say he’s Takin’ Care of Business…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. @37. Always whining. Hitchhike, Colludin’ Cuban.

    _____

    @34. You’re smarter than that. Those who’ve had some international exposure/experience at varying levels of business and government know the drill and directives all too well; even the most mundane American tourist understands they’re representing the country when travelling and interacting overseas. Whether you, or Traitor Trump, realize it or not, he has diminished respect and leverage for all American citizens and interests; he has endangered them on levels you do not really comprehend or see on the surface. When your leadership is perceived as weak and a joke, resect evaporates quickly. In the days before Helsinki, as he raped NATO allies, American citizens were advised not to be too visible on the streets of London, of all places, for Christ’s sake. Our Captain has crossed the line and dropped the yellow dye marker. Traitor Trump is not going to be permitted to get away with it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. Is that code for the CBS commissary, yes this was a legendary circlejerk where not on ly the dossier but the searchlight degenerates statement and the isikoff piece was presented as evidence.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  41. You could have a whole season of Jeopardy solely on the category “International F**kups By American Presidents”. Trump at Helsinki might be 10,000th on the list.

    And I’ll tell you something else. I’m not entirely happy that the fall of Communism has turned NATO from a military alliance to a political alliance either. What threat to members of the alliance was NATO repelling in the former Yugoslavia or in Libya, for example? Those were “politics by other means”, plain and simple.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. It is the delish league all over again, ‘re Iraq the French and the Germans had their cincessions

    Narciso (a245e7)

  43. @38. =Haikomatov= Gesundheitev!

    Irritable cuz Maria called and broke your date and your heart, eh Red Colonel.

    Just just followin’ orders like the comrade colluder he be. Hit the showers, Red, you still be Helstinki.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. What is this west side story, no her name was not Maria,

    Narciso (a245e7)

  45. nk, don’t you think that hostile foreign military and intelligence organizations running sophisticated covert operations to interfere with our elections is a bad thing?

    Do you think Trump’s open betrayal of our country in Helsinki did anything to make future attacks less likely?

    Hostile states will decide whether and how extensively to conduct such operations based on the perceived risk to themselves if exposed. By announcing that you can interfere with impunity, even when caught red-handed, as long as you support him, hasn’t Trump completely eliminated any disincentive for doing what the Russians did in 2016?

    By doing Putin’s bidding, covering up and denying the attack on our country, working non-stop to interfere with and discredit the investigation, and inventing alibis for Putin’s lady-boy coward-pig hackers, hasn’t he, in addition, become an accessory after the fact?

    Since I’m not a lawyer, let’s consult the Cornell Law School’s online legal dictionary:

    Accessory After The Fact

    Definition

    Someone who assists another 1) who has committed a felony, 2) after the person has committed the felony, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the felony, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment. An accessory after the fact may be held liable for, inter alia, obstruction of justice.

    Point 1: yes, it is alleged, and amply clear from known evidence, that felonies were committed by the Russians working for Putin.

    Point 2: yes, Trump’s attempts to deny and cover-up these crimes occurred after they were committed.

    Point 3: yes, Trump has been briefed repeatedly, and authoritatively, on the fact that the crimes took place.

    Point 4: yes, Trump’s intent is to prevent the perpetrators from being punished.

    Oh and look, it counts as obstruction of justice too! Especially since Trump is formally the chief law enforcement officer in the country, and was the intended and actual beneficiary of the crimes.

    Dave (445e97)

  46. @41. Trump at Helsinki might be 10,000th on the list.

    But he’s number one on the runway, now.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. @44. We know who the sharks are. And that one’s now living “in freedom’s safes place.” And it ain’t ‘Wayne’s World.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. This is the same circle jerk of the dossier, I take a picture of my front door, I Photoshop it to make it look there’s a break in, I tell the cops can’t come to the house,

    Narciso (a245e7)

  49. Oh and look, it counts as obstruction of justice too! Especially since Trump is formally the chief law enforcement officer in the country, and was the intended and actual beneficiary of the crimes.

    Don’t be such a piker. There are 800,000 obstruction of justice counts already there for the charging because he’s not enforcing the immigration laws against the DACA/DREAMers.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. Back to teh faculty lounge drawing board war room, ConDave.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. Really the idiot judges who are ignoring even havens well reasoned argued.ent aren’t to blame?

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Don’t be such a piker. There are 800,000 obstruction of justice counts already there for the charging because he’s not enforcing the immigration laws against the DACA/DREAMers.

    But at least he’s calling them rapists, murderers and drug dealers.

    But President Putin is an innocent victim, according to President Poodle.

    Dave (445e97)

  53. They have absolute judicial immunity. We cannot cripple them in the performance of their duties by holding them liable for errors of judgment or the exercise of their discretion.

    nk (dbc370)

  54. 39 sounds like a possible threat… not a wise move, schiffbag.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. Jail To the Thief: “When my empire collapsed and went bankrupt; my marriages went bust; my name bumped from the Forbes and Fortune lists, my Wall Street and New York bank buddies settled, screwed the little people, but cut me off, stopped loaning me cash and put me on an allowance with only a few helicopters and limos. I needed new sources of capital for fresh scams. So Russia oligarchs, pals of Boris and Vlad, who had to launder the cash they swiped from raggedy-azzed Russians, used me to wash it through the West and we all got whole and a piece of the action. They just called it a ‘compromise.’ I call it the yuge-ist deal of deals ever. Sweet!”

    “Illegal? Honey, nothing’s illegal if they don’t catch you!” – Joey DePalma [Tony Franciosa] ‘A Face In The Crowd’ 1957

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. 54. =Haikumaslov= Gesundheitski!

    Товарищ! Red Colonel can’t make carmatov fare, either.

    Still Helstinki, comarade. Honor America: shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. A quick read suggests: 1) the much-ballyhooed “refusal to name Hillary Clinton” appears totally consistent with the phraseology of the rest of the document;…… as I always suspected.

    ?

    AZ Bob (885937)

  58. Marc Elias of Perkins coie paid for It, funneled it through fusion who paid Steele who paid for know who.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  59. The collusion continues……

    The Pentagon said Friday it will provide an additional $200 million to Ukraine to boost its security as it struggles with a Russia-backed insurgency.“

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/pentagon-sends-200-million-to-ukraine-after-trump-summit

    harkin (f58543)

  60. That Putin is a sly one, harkin.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. Here is another interpretation from John Hinderaker.

    Bottom line is that “Page has never been charged with anything. Accordingly, the least we can say is that Obama’s FBI and DOJ were wrong.”

    And there is another inference from the statement posted:

    “The “identified U.S. person” is Glenn Simpson, the head of Fusion GPS. Source #1 is Christopher Steele. The DOJ’s statement that “the FBI speculates that the identified U.S person [Simpson] was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s [Trump’s] campaign” could only have been an intentional effort to deceive the FISA judge. The FBI was perfectly well aware that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC hired Simpson through their lawyers, and the purpose of doing so was to attack candidate Donald Trump. References to “speculation” about “likely” motives are entirely dishonest.?

    AZ Bob (885937)

  62. @61. Our Captain took the bait; the chumming around together worked; delivered w/stilettos and fishnets for Melania and a copy of a DVD wrapped in brown-paper.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. So, if the court knows your informant is the agent of a former First Lady, former U.S. Senator, former Secretary of State, and present major party candidate for President, would that make him more or less credible in the eyes of the court?

    Or should the court not care either way and base its decision on the four corners of the affidavit and the indicia of reliability (as established by precedent) it contains?

    nk (dbc370)

  64. @65. Crabgrass. Look behind you- the house is on fire.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. Just like a cbo estimate and as reliable, they were off robertscare estimates by 160%

    Narciso (a245e7)

  66. I know that only three or four people can want to understand what I’m saying. I miss Beldar. I hope he is at least lurking.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. “Or should the court not care either way and base its decision on the four corners of the affidavit and the indicia of reliability (as established by precedent) it contains?”

    ‘Our courts should not make human judgments based on human motivations, but instead judge briefs on the quality of their stationery, the beauty of their fonts, and the poshness of the presenter’s accents. To suggest that people should ‘consider the source and its motivation’ is nothing but rank disrespect for our Hardworking Patriotic Presenter Community(TM) and by extension, means that opposing this idea means that you POOP and PEE on ALL AMERICANS’

    Steppe Nomad (22505b)

  68. “Our Captain took the bait; the chumming around together worked; delivered w/stilettos and fishnets for Melania and a copy of a DVD wrapped in brown-paper.”

    DCSCA really missed his calling as a network television writer.

    Steppe Nomad (9d0790)

  69. Beldar’s probably on the hunt for the suspect in this tragic occurrence.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  70. Yes but the gong shoe went off the air forty years ago.

    Narciso (a245e7)

  71. “DCSCA really missed his calling as a network television writer.”

    Steppe Nomad (9d0790) — 7/21/2018 @ 9:48 pm

    Krusty the Klown is off the air…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. @73 I was thinking something more along the lines of a Dr. Whoever plot or one of our fine All-American episodes of Law And Order: SVU

    https://twitter.com/icetsvu

    Steppe Nomad (146f69)

  73. They redacted the whole section as to why they think Page is a Russian agent. They go from Page lived in Russia and did work with Gazprom to a whole section about a Russian that was accused and convicted of being an unregistered agent of the Russian government, Buryakov.

    It’s out there that Page was caught up in the investigation of Podobny and Buryakov and Page was a cooperating witness against Podobny and Buryakov. So, somewhere in the redacted section is a claim that “this time Page won’t cooperate.”

    Xmas (e63a38)

  74. nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2018 @ 9:40 pm

    You and me both, brother.

    felipe (023cc9)

  75. @70/@72/@73:

    Red Ryder; BB King.
    Red Fox; trash TV.
    Red Steppe; white Russian.
    Red Colonel; still Helstinki.
    And the Colludin’ Cuban; just red whine.

    Honor America: shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. The hot and horny men and women of the pervert fbi like to frame people and then after that they have sex with small furry animals including bunny rabbits and chinchillas, often with fatal consequences to the small furry animals.

    I’m not judging them i’m just saying.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. @79. Moose and Squirrel, Mr. Feet, dollink.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. Trump did not collude with russia to fix the 2016 election. Mueller knows this, you know this, I know this, even clintonistas know this ;but won’t admit it. The media now has the hots for alexandria ocasio-cortez jilting hillary!

    wendell (52965a)

  79. Did you go to law school?

    It’s a fair question.

    Springfield cop throws them hands

    This video provides 200% of your RDA of Bad Words.

    Pinandpuller (8e81b8)

  80. Boris and Natasha say Russia collusion fake news – work of moose and squirrel.

    Tillman (d34303)

  81. Google images for “idiot” and the first results are pictures of our Dear Leader.

    Tillman (d34303)

  82. We don’t call it magnitsky nor nemtsov:

    https://babalublog.com/2018/07/22/july-22-paya-cepero/

    Narciso (2dfe41)

  83. “I’m really embarrassed because I told people for months that this could never happen….It’s astonishing. It’s as if they took the dossier and slapped a caption on [the Steele Dossier] to give it to the judge. They ought to be looking at the judges who signed this stuff.”

    —- Andrew McCarthy

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  84. “SATURDAY NIGHT DOCUMENT DUMP
    We are familiar with the Friday afternoon document dump. It’s a standard tool of political scandal management. What are we to make of the Saturday night document dump by which the Department of Justice delivered the heavily redacted documents comprising the Carter Page FISA warrant application to the New York Times and other news organizations that had sought them under the Freedom of Information Act? Charlie Savage’s New York Times article draws no inferences from the timing. I say the Saturday night document dump resets best scandal management practices. These documents were not released on Saturday night because the FBI and the Department of Justice are proud of themselves for what they reveal.”

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/07/saturday-night-document-dump.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Screen-Shot-2018-07-22-at-7.21.05-AM-600×425.png

    https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Screen-Shot-2018-07-22-at-7.21.05-AM-600×425.png

    https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Screen-Shot-2018-07-22-at-7.22.06-AM-600×214.png

    That multiple warrants could be issued against an American citizen on such shaky evidence calls into question the entire FISA process.

    UPDATE: More from John Hinderaker. “The application relies to an astonishing degree on anti-Trump news stories published in the Democratic Party press. Does the FBI really get surveillance warrants on the basis of partisan press accounts? Apparently so. . . . Amazingly, the FISA application relies on ‘speculation in U.S. media’ for the proposition that Russia was behind the phishing of DNC emails.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. “Until now, both Democrats and Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee have sent out memos trying to characterize the Page warrant in their respective favors, but now The New York Times and other news outlets have obtained the warrant applications through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). . . .

    Of particular note are a couple footnotes in the third FISA renewal application. One footnote mentions that Steele was paid by the FBI for his information, but “suspended its relationship” with Steele after it learned he had disclosed information to the media. “Subsequently, the FBI closed [Steele] as an FBI source,” according to the documents. Yet still, the FBI determined Steele’s information to be reliable because his previous reporting had been “corroborated and used in criminal proceedings,” according to the application. The FBI states in this footnote that the “incident that led the FBI to terminate its relationship with [Steele] occurred after [Steele] provided the reporting that is described herein.

    A later footnote claims that Steele said he only provided information from the dossier to his business associate (believed to be Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm that was paid by Perkins Coie, the law firm used by the DNC, for Steele’s information), and not to the media, though information from the dossier was the basis for a September 23 Yahoo! News article about Page’s surveillance. But in late October 2016, the FBI learned that Steele had since contacted another media source because he was “frustrated” by former FBI Director James Comey’s letter about more Clinton emails found on the laptop of former Congressman Anthony Weiner. Steele, according to the FISA documents, “told the FBI that he/she was frustrated with this action and believed it would likely influence the 2016 U.S. Presidential election.” So he gave media outlets compromising information about a different candidate.

    The FBI, even after learning what Steele had done, “continues to assess [Steele’s] reporting is reliable, as noted above, the FBI closed [Steele] as an active source.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/33382/fisa-documents-used-wiretap-carter-page-just-ashe-schow

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  87. Well they probably got reliable backup like multiple bratva felon green…on second thought.

    Narciso (2dfe41)

  88. There was lots of suspicion that Page was an foreign agent, but he has yet to be charged as such? So the DOJ and FBI were wrong? Not outright including Hillary as the root source is quite shady, doing so would have screamed “better check this thoroughly” and makes me wonder about the judge this was submitted too as I already suspect somehow judge shopping was involved. Did I see media reporting referenced, I know those are accurate!?! Comey and Yates approved this warrant, wow. Was is hand delivered by Strzok. I don’t think the Nunez missteps rises to a level warranting that level of animus, there is obviously a lot to be suspicious of in this warrant. In hindsight this was shady. Someone should have sensed the shade in real time, and based on what is here, I can be plausibly concluded that the parties involved were aware.

    Rich (de9149)

  89. That’s the shady we know about with 70% redacted. The chances of the redactions making it less shady are slim to none.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  90. I can’t tell if the author’s disgust at the partisanship is directed solely at Devin Nunes or if it’s a scattergun approach. There are sure a lot of learned minds sharing opinions. What’s the significance of a Saturday Night News Dump? Is this a joke? Are the DOJ and FBI serious about this?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. the sleazy rubberstamp fisa courts got rolled by the hot and horny men and women of the pervert fbi

    this is what happens when your gestapo fbi meddles in your elections

    meddle meddle lick lick

    fbi so trashy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  92. @32 That’s disappointing. My library has a copy waiting for me to pick it up. What about he new Brad Thor, “Spymaster”? Have you read that one yet?

    ColoComment (58aadb)

  93. Well that might be my impression, see if he doesn’t drop the hint too obviously.

    Narciso (413d2a)

  94. — I’m just saying, it was a really convincing levitating kitten. If you saw it, you would have been like, “Damn, that’s the most sincere and lovable floating cat head I’ve ever had a chat with”. And most imprtantly, I was like 85% sober….
    — happyfeet?
    — Yes, Spiderman?
    — Take all of those … “words” swirling inside that toxic waste vat you call your brain and suffocate them. Every last syllable. Kill your words and Just. Shut. Up!
    — But ….
    — Shutupshutupshutup!
    — I get it, you need a little Spidey-time. S’cool. Sometimes I can’t tell if the voices in my head are from the cat planet or the Vegetable King is calling me home to marry his daughter Broccolini.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. He’s like Luis from ant man and the wasp.

    Narciso (413d2a)

  96. I mean its no like Page wasn’t on the TV today, straight up admitting he was advising the Kremlin on how to get sanction relief, while he was a member of the Trump campaign.

    Its also kind odd that he admitted he took the plea deal to keep from being charged with much more serious crimes. You know, like how plea deals work.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  97. It’s as if they took the dossier and slapped a caption on [the Steele Dossier] to give it to the judge.

    That’s not an honest assessment from McCarthy, not with all the information that’s been redacted. Philip Bump notes how the Page FISA application undermines part of the the Nunes memo, Lawfare has some good observations, and Jazz Shaw (with good reason) wonders why Carter Page would go on Tapper.

    Paul Montagu (57bb34)

  98. “…They ought to be looking at the judges who signed this stuff.”

    They outta be looking into you, Comrade McCarthykov.

    Time to have your papers reviewed and renewed. Anybody who helps Traitor Trump spin this from now on– in Congressional cloakrooms; in the studios aboard trawler Red Fox; on blogs, on editorial boards, in White House press briefings, around Cabinet tables, in bars, in bed or otherwise- is essentially complicit; enablers– colluders all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  99. I haz a sad, narciso. Not only is Captain Marvel a woman now, but so is Thor (not that he was not always halfway there anyway), and Deadpool is married and has a daughter. The Matriarchy has taken over the whole Marvel Universe.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. Well that’s ridiculous, but so has been the premise of the last two years, I would look into Steele work on fisa matters.

    Narciso (413d2a)

  101. Fifa matters.

    Narciso (413d2a)

  102. What he was going to go on ABC where they have the nerve to put Susan rice.

    Narciso (413d2a)

  103. @100. “Its also kind odd that he admitted he took the plea deal to keep from being charged with much more serious crimes.” That’s some breaking news you got there, Carter Page took a plea deal. When was he charged with a crime, and when did he take a “plea deal?”

    pete (a65bac)

  104. Oops, ignore that, its not supposed to come out till Thursday.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  105. Nunes memo vs FISA application

    https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1020846153343078400

    Nunes revealed to be a master of creative writing. Editor-in-chief Gowdy also recommended for award.

    Davethulhu (270006)

  106. I don’t know if this is true, but had it forwarded to me… “Melissa Hodgman-Strzok (Strock) was put in charge of the Clinton Foundation investigation three weeks before the last Presidential election. She has been blocking it ever since.

    Mrs. Strzok, pictured above, is Associate Director of the Enforcement Division of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

    She heads their International Division.

    She reviews the evidence and determines what international securities, fraud, and other financial cases will be prosecuted by the Justice Department.

    And investigated by the FBI.”

    Read more: https://brassballs.blog/home/peter-strzoks-insurance-policy-is-his-wife-sec-director-melissa-hodgman-who-has-blocked-the-fbis-investigation-of-the-clinton-foundation-for-21-months-and-counting?format=amp&__twitter_impression=true

    Colonel Haiku (7769d7)

  107. Hodgman is an associate of khuzaimi, whose handling the Cohen matter.

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  108. Latest revision, she ra who now looks like Ron Holland, in the face.

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  109. @110

    Assuming this is the tweet you meant to link: https://twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1021011398472675334

    There are 5 side-by-side comparisons showing how Nunes lied.

    Davethulhu (270006)

  110. Strzok rimes with Buck and Luck, pronounce it like struck: as in not too many 49ers struck gold.

    ropelight (72741d)

  111. her’s a completely different capn marvel than the shazammy one

    happyfeet (62515a)

  112. Comrade Nunestkov and Comrade Gowdyev: Traitor Trump colluders.

    “Are you trying to tell me every phone in the country is tapped?” – Kydor Kropotkin [Severn Darden] ‘The President’s Analyst’ 1967

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  113. Another beautiful day in Carmel, Ca.

    Colonel Haiku (7769d7)

  114. Is that code for the CBS commissary, yes this was a legendary circlejerk where not on ly the dossier but the searchlight degenerates statement and the isikoff piece was presented as evidence.

    Of what?

    Please answer this question.

    People like to imply (and in the past have often claimed) it was presented as evidence corroborating Steele’s conclusions.

    But that’s not so. It was simply presented as evidence that Page denied he was working for Russia.

    Not quite the same thing, is it??

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  115. I don’t know if this is true, but had it forwarded to me

    The gold standard for repeating something.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  116. “Department of Justice (DOJ) and FBI officials were pushing a “self-licking ice-cream cone” when they applied to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court for approval to spy on a former campaign aide to President Donald Trump, according to Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
    “Self-licking ice cream cone. FISA docs cite Clinton-DNC Dossier, leak of Dossier to media, and leak of Dossier info through Dem Senator Harry Reid. Corrupt dishonesty to get court approval to spy on @RealDonaldTrump team,” Fitton tweeted Sunday concerning the 421 pages of FISA application-related documents DOJ made public late Saturday.“

    https://www.lifezette.com/2018/07/fitton-calls-fbis-fisa-application-a-self-licking-ice-cream-cone/

    Colonel Haiku (7769d7)

  117. Yes, it was too good to check, much like some of yours, lol.

    Actually commented with that just as we were leaving from lunch at the Cypress Inn heading down to the beach.

    Colonel Haiku (7769d7)

  118. Yes, it was too good to check, much like some of yours, lol.

    I don’t repeat shit like that. You must have me confused with Conservative Treehouse or Gateway Pundit.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  119. Either most of the folks we’ve looked to for political commentary – including the legal types – for years are missing something and are way off base or Patterico is.

    Colonel Haiku (7769d7)

  120. coward-lick John McCain’s urinating hooker dossier established the gold standard for repeating made up stuff repeatedly multiple times in an iterative fashion

    happyfeet (62515a)

  121. lick lick

    happyfeet (62515a)

  122. NYT and CNN will suffice.

    Colonel Haiku (7769d7)

  123. NYT and CNN will suffice.

    Not quite the same as “I don’t know if this is true, but had it forwarded to me” but whatever floats your partisan boat I guess.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  124. 121 more reliable than “according to anonymous administration sources” or any of the media’s other unnamed sources.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  125. I don’t know if this is true, but had it forwarded to me: NYT stories billed as “according to anonymous administration sources” turn out to be true in a shockingly high number of instances. Which Trump partisans almost never acknowledge after their truth is revealed.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  126. That’s the “I reject your reality and substitute my own”. Colonel sanders et al would rather choose to believe anything from any source other than from the media, that have standards where they may get fired for false reporting. Definitely more likely to be true from a rando on the internet.

    RogueVal (6e7a1c)

  127. “NYT stories billed as “according to anonymous administration sources” turn out to be true in a shockingly high number of instances.”

    Whatever. NYT will publish endless page-filling Trump gossip, speculation, and abrogation across overlong articles that try to cover as many bases as possible, and with a lot of those being 50/50 up-or-down guesses someone’s bound to hit occasionally. What matters is not the ‘number’ of instances but the *percentage,* especially as a signal-to-noise ratio.

    Steppe Nomad (ee64a1)

  128. “Nunes revealed to be a master of creative writing. Editor-in-chief Gowdy also recommended for award.”

    Much like every other intellectually lazy A student, that Twitter link you gave was full of comparisons that weren’t actually pertinent but were made to look like it in the hope that the teacher would just gloss over it and mark it complete.

    Like most liberal ‘rebuttals’, they don’t care if it makes sense so long as there’s a link footnote to a ‘rebuttal’ or ‘takedown’ on it in the public record that they can get paid whatever Shareblue offers these days. “The report was thoroughly sourced!!!”

    If you disagree with my studious and well-considered assessment, type out the pertinent facts like a man and not a joke.

    Steppe Nomad (4a2db3)

  129. Okay , I’ve had a chance to check and Melissa Hodgman is married to the d-bag Strzok, does work for the SEC, did get promoted to Associate Director in October of 2016. But the other stuff – if true – would’ve been jumped on by others and I’ve found no evidence of that.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  130. nk (dbc370) — 7/22/2018 @ 12:00 pm

    If the next phase in MCU continues in the direction of the SJW agenda, the whole MCU will crater. Marvel comics has had to re-launch, obstinately, Ms. Marvel – so hated is she.

    felipe (023cc9)

  131. the information from the Steele dossier does not appear to be the only information used against Page

    Patterico, I disagree. The entirety of the guts of the FISA application (all of the “there”) is a breakout of the allegations made in the Steele Dossier. There certainly could be more in the redacted portions that point to a compelling reason why the application should’ve been granted. But I’m not seeing it.

    But it would appear that the great majority of the consequential redactions are names that have already been publicly outed or also include the usage of either ocunes lures or some other . I would prefer to see everything, which probably won’t happen, but we didn’t get much out of this report other than the confirmation that the backbone of the FISA application was the Steele Dossier.

    Carlton (20b9c8)

  132. Felipe,

    It’s going to crater after Infinity Wat like SJW Wars has.

    NJRob (ce981a)

  133. NJRob, I fear that you are absolutely right.

    felipe (023cc9)

  134. The worst is print science fiction/fantasy. It always had more than its share of pervs and weirdos but the editors kept them under control. With the rise of Tor and the Nielsen Haydens, being a perv and a weirdo has become a prerequisite to being published.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. Stable Genius: Traitor Trump scuttles week of walk backs since Helsinki disaster; tweets another flip-flop again today:

    “So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!! 3:23 PM – Jul 22, 2018″ -source, theHill.com

    No, no, no, you disloyal, dementia-riddled, brain-damaged jackass. 18 months ago YOU were told the Russians are responsible; that Putin is personally responsible; Putin strongly denied- aka, lied, to your face in Helsinki and you knew he was and you lied repeatedly to the American people, our allies and the world. You just threw America’s intel people under the bus again.

    You will not be allowed to and distract from this. It’s commands repeating this to you loud and clear over and over, – as is the Traitor Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’

    You, Traitor Trump, strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, Finland, stood just five feet from Putin, a trained KGB agent, dropped your pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s utter delight, wiped your azz w/t U.S. flag.

    And what would you supposed ‘hero’- the one you boast about admiringly at rally after rally?!?…

    “‘Despicable.’ That’s the first time in my life anybody’s every applied that word to me.” – G.S. Patton [George C. Scott] ‘Patton’ 1970

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  136. Is DCSCA just copy-pasting himself now? I know Deep State bots have to push a message across all platforms on the regular (especially if it’s an unpopular and silly message) but it looks like his originality module is faulty.

    Steppe Nomad (2ce54d)

  137. And she’s the flagship of phase 3 or 4, yikes.

    Narciso (21b8ec)

  138. No, just Norman the android.

    Narciso (21b8ec)

  139. You know that Capt Marvel has been Carol Danvers since 68? There is a different Captain Mar-Vell from 67, and then another different Captain Marvel (Shazam) in the DC universe. Then there is the Ultimate Universe, New 52, etc, etc, etc. Which reboot some names and back stories. Generally a Capt Marvel (Marvel) is a Skrull, and Skrulls are shapeshifters.

    TL:DR
    You don’t know your Marvel from shinola.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  140. Captain Marvel in the MCU is a Skrull experiment on a human with some infinity stone thrown in, apparently. The character is generally the most powerful Avenger.

    RogueVal (6e7a1c)

  141. Yes it’s all carp, and brie Larson going all sjw portents bad juju.

    Narciso (21b8ec)

  142. You don’t know your Marvel from shinola.

    That’s because I am not a plump young man who goes to Comic-Cons to co-nerd with other plump young men and the sister of one of them. Also, bite me!

    nk (dbc370)

  143. The weekend release of a highly-redacted version of the FBI’s application for a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to wiretap onetime Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page has renewed the argument over the Nunes memo — the brief report produced by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes detailing problems in the application. From the time of the memo’s release in February, Democrats and some in the press have denounced it as a collection of lies and mischaracterizations. On Saturday night, the denouncing started again. “The only thing the newly released FISA documents show is that Republicans have been lying for months,” the lefty think tank Center for American Progress said in a typical response. [and not just them, ha!!!]

    Now, however, we have both the memo and the FISA application, if in a blacked-out state. We can compare the two. And doing so shows the Nunes memo was overwhelmingly accurate. Perhaps some Democrats do not believe it should have been written, or they dispute what it included and left out, or they do not agree with its conclusions, but it was in fact accurate.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo?platform=hootsuite

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  144. Jinx on 10, BuDuh! You owe me a root beer.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  145. LOL, CH!

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  146. So its another thing you don’t know anything about, comment on, when called on it with actual answers, your response is “unhunh, you’re stupid”

    Try knowing things, it might change your outlook, or not, you do you, live your truth.

    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c)

  147. @152

    Exactly. It shows that the Steele Dossier was the entire basis of the application. No Steele Dossier, this whole game falls apart

    Carlton (20b9c8)

  148. @151. Meh. You ain’t kidding. Was assigned a project for DC Comics back in NY years ago and had to prepare a marketing report w/analysis and recommendations at the retail level. They were all up in how to leverage and cultivate these pudgy, pathetic dweebs to wring every penny out of their Cheeto-stained pockets. Had to visit ‘comic book stores’ in malls and such, observe patterns and interview the dummies pawing for hours though shelves of freshly printed product, desperately looking for the few manufactured gems- artist signed copies and such- long since culled out by store owners themselves. Poor fools were buying bags and bags of worthless junk; thousands of dollars of ‘limited edition’ sets of manufactured collector crap. One person said they were certain it would pay for their kid’s college education. Sad. Recommendation that caught their eye was suggested use of store ceilings as selling space to peddle more junk. Seems everybody was always looking down w/no motivation to look up.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  149. You know that Capt Marvel has been Carol Danvers since 68? There is a different Captain Mar-Vell from 67, and then another different Captain Marvel (Shazam) in the DC universe. Then there is the Ultimate Universe, New 52, etc, etc, etc. Which reboot some names and back stories. Generally a Capt Marvel (Marvel) is a Skrull, and Skrulls are shapeshifters.

    TL:DR
    You don’t know your Marvel from shinola.
    Biff Radukowski (6e7a1c) — 7/22/2018 @ 5:42 pm

    Captain Marvel in the MCU is a Skrull experiment on a human with some infinity stone thrown in, apparently. The character is generally the most powerful Avenger.
    RogueVal (6e7a1c) — 7/22/2018 @ 5:45 pm

    Look, pal, we do not appreciate sock puppets on this site.

    felipe (023cc9)

  150. If you want to be taken seriously, then pick a name and stick to it.

    felipe (023cc9)

  151. Biff/Val completely misses the point; it is the SJW aspect of Ms. Marvel that will doom the MCU, not her gender. Typical of SJW, “if you don’t put into our agenda, then you must hate women!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  152. interesting, auto mistake thinks “buy” should be “put.” Could it be the pattern recog is tilted because of my daytrading?

    felipe (023cc9)

  153. Since 83% of the content of 412 pages are redacted, how in the world can you state anything as a fact.

    The Steele Dossier is mostly unredacted, and background, so that’s 17%, there also appears to be 7 other documents referenced, so if the Steele Dossier, which remember, has had some things confirmed, is only part of it, there are lots of other things in there too.

    I would submit some of those other justifications are from the 2013 investigation of Page, because this was the SECOND time there were FISA warrants on Page. He’d been under surveillance for years, I’m sure the folks that had been monitoring him for the NSA and CIA were shocked when he was invited onto the Trump campaign. Every time he’s been interviewed publicly he appears to be a complete moron. He’s in the cross hairs of major felonies and there he is on TV today, basically drooling on the table.

    Whether, or not, the Trump campaign was complicit with any Russian assistance, it seems purely appropriate for Page to be investigated, he might not have been a Russian asset, but he desperately WANTED to be, for whatever reason.

    There isn’t just a binary If Page=guilty, then Trump=guilty. Russia can interfere, want Trump to be elected, Page be an asset, Manafort be an asset, and Trump didn’t conspire. You can have multiple things in your mind at once, they don’t all have to be true or false, its comparing apples and turkey vultures.

    RogueVal (6e7a1c)

  154. @145. “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!” “No collusion.” “Witch hunt!”

    There. Does widdle Red Steppe feel more at ease and Trumpy now?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  155. What agenda is the MCU pushing, other than making giant bundles of money? They have never had anything other than monstrously profitable blockbusters, even their small movies like Ant-Man are half a billion dollar movies, and the bigger ones are over $1B, some $2B. They have 4 of the biggest 10, and half of the biggest 20 movies in history, and they’re getting bigger not smaller.

    RogueVal (6e7a1c)

  156. If the next phase in MCU continues in the direction of the SJW agenda, the whole MCU will crater. Marvel comics has had to re-launch, obstinately, Ms. Marvel – so hated is she.
    felipe (023cc9) — 7/22/2018 @ 4:44 pm

    I see where one would “seize” upon a single word in the above statement in order to spin an entire universe. “She.”

    Perhaps it was too much for me to expect that it would be understood that “she” is so hated because of the SJW agenda being force-fed upon readers, who, frankly turn to comics as an escape from this crazy world, and understandably, are quite put out when they find an ideology squatting in their vacation spot.

    felipe (023cc9)

  157. RogueVal (6e7a1c) — 7/22/2018 @ 6:55 pm

    Thank you for picking a name. I hope you can stick to it.

    Your appeal to the monetary success will only serve to underscore the concerns expressed as touching upon the SJW agenda that has already proved problematic to the bottom line of Marvel Comics Group. It is evidence that the injection of SJW issues into the Comic book genre is more of a liability than an asset.

    You should recognize that the current success of the MCU has occurred in spite of the SJW agenda, not because of it. Note well that most of the criticism of past MCU titles refer to the tinge of Ideology in the subplots. “Sokovia accords” anyone?

    felipe (023cc9)

  158. Huh? You’re just babbling now. Since Captain Marvel is unreleased, you’re commenting on its bone fida’s as if you know them.

    Let me clue you in on something…THEY’RE COMIC BOOK MOVIES!!!

    RogueVal (6e7a1c)

  159. RogueVal (6e7a1c) — 7/22/2018 @ 7:27 pm

    Do not mistake your inability to understand what I have written as a babbling on my part. No where have I made a judgement upon the unreleased Captain Marvel. I have been discussing the comic book and its failure to be profitable which lead to its recurring launches.

    It is not unreasonable to wonder if a similar injection of SJW agenda into the upcoming movie might take place, and thus, what consequences there may be.

    Let me clue you in on something…THEY’RE COMIC BOOK MOVIES!!!

    Duh. That this seems like a big point to you is evidence of the league in which you compete.

    felipe (023cc9)

  160. That is enough pig-wrestling for me today. To be honest I had hoped for an earnest honest, and good-faith disagreement. But there isn’t even a core disagreement stated. In my opinion, the discussion was revealed to me as being mere pig-wrestling, here: “Huh? You’re just babbling now.”

    That was most telling.

    felipe (023cc9)

  161. I have seven credits left on my Hoopla for the rest of this month. I’ll finish off my unread Deadpool with the 2015-2017 series, and then check out Captain America Reborn. And that will about be the extent of my current sojourn in the Marvel Universe, I think. When you start knowing details like “Carol Danvers since 1968″, it’s time to quit before you need to go into rehab. And I absolutely refuse to look up what a Skrull is.

    nk (dbc370)

  162. “Huh? You’re just babbling now.”

    That was most telling.

    He started off by telling me “TL:DR You don’t know your Marvel from shinola.” and then got his panties in a twist over my less than polite response, too. Oh, well.

    nk (dbc370)

  163. It’s a shape shifting alien a little like the invaders Lol I sent to new york

    Narciso (12d26c)

  164. Sokovian accords was their way of shoe nothing the civil war subplot, which was supposed to be an allusion to the patriot acr?

    Narciso (12d26c)

  165. Judicial Watch is fake news media or was that sarcasm? MSM hasn’t shown much interest in it at all.

    Please stop spreading misinformation, narciso. A USA Today reporter, Brad Heath, was the primary individual behind the FOIA request that forced the release.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  166. 131 all depends on what you find shocking, lately them getting any story right is a bit shocking.

    132 lol, journalist fired for false reporting, ya that happens about once in every 100 lies. Compare the number of corrections they are forced to print, not to mention the ones they don’t, to the number fired.

    Back when I started reading this blog he was fact checking the LA Times, I don’t recall a single reporter ever getting fired but a ton of corrections and lies.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  167. I didn’t even …. The movie (Civil War) has almost no relation to the comic. The comic is exponentially better than the movie. But I like Chris Evans as Captain America.

    nk (dbc370)

  168. Narciso (12d26c) — 7/22/2018 @ 8:14 pm

    I am ready to be called “crazy” for positing the following:

    The current MCU heroes are to be differentiated by their conforming (compliance?) to the new moral order (whatever that may mean to you) and either eliminated (Infinity War 1) or rehabilitated (Infinity War 2). But any “old order” heroes that may remain will be portrayed/treated as tokens to be held up as examples of “wrong think.”

    Anyway, this scenario depends on how far down the SJW rabbit-hole Disney-Marvel wish to explore. You can be sure that they are busy with the analysis of the losses tallied by the latest Star Wars.

    Let the mocking ( in the MCU I would prolly be “Lighting Rod” heh, a fella could take that two ways)commence.

    felipe (023cc9)

  169. My apologies to our August host for being ever OT. Help me, Beldar-wan Kenobi!

    felipe (023cc9)

  170. 175 which release was from this suit?

    “The document production comes in a February 2018 Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed after the DOJ rejected a July 19, 2017, FOIA request (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Justice (No. 1:18-cv-00245)). The lawsuit is seeking:”

    The James Madison Project was a different case, was the same info given to both?

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  171. I think the example of what Warner has done to dc comics is like dorian Grey in their thinking. And in the back of their mind what Brett rattler did in the last stand should be a hanging offense. No im not being drastic.

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. “Peter Strzok’s testimony about the email server scandal involving former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton raised headlines because of his defiant, disrespectful, and unapologetic attitude about the bias revealed in his text messages that permeated his work at the FBI.

    Then, there was the verbal combat between him and Republican members of the two committees holding the joint hearing, and between the Republicans and Democratic members who were running interference for Strzok and acting as his defense counsel.

    The news media jumped on an exchange in which Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, asked Strzok if he lied to his wife about his affair with former FBI lawyer Lisa Page in the same way as he was in testifying to Congress. That was too much for the Democrats and the media, who leaped to Strzok’s defense.

    The media, however, virtually ignored another exchange between Gohmert and Strzok that revealed a potential bombshell. Gohmert asked Strzok about his meeting in 2016 with Frank Rucker and Janette McMillan, an investigator and lawyer, respectively, for then-Intelligence Community Inspector General Chuck McCullough (an Obama appointee).

    McCullough sent them to see Strzok, who was the FBI’s deputy assistant director for the Counterintelligence Division, to brief him and three other FBI personnel about an “anomaly” that their forensic analysis had found in Clinton’s server.

    According to Gohmert, the inspector general discovered that, with four exceptions, “every single one” of Clinton’s emails—more than 30,000—“were going to an address that was not on the distribution list.”

    In other words, according to the information Gohmert received from the intelligence inspector general, something was causing Clinton’s server to send copies of all of her email communications outside of the country “to an unauthorized source that was a foreign entity unrelated to Russia.”

    If true, this means that Clinton’s email communication with her top aides, department leadership, ambassadors, and other officials, including President Barack Obama, may have been read by an alien entity, perhaps a foreign power hostile to the United States. That could include confidential, sensitive, and even classified information about our foreign policy or our allies.

    Gohmert’s exchange with Strzok doesn’t reveal who the foreign entity is, but if not the Russians, the likely culprit is the Chinese government, which has a special unit of hackers within its military that has long targeted the U.S.

    Our intelligence agencies have identified the Chinese as responsible for the biggest data breach to ever hit the federal government, the 2015 hack of the Office of Personnel Management that stole the files, including security clearance applications, of 21 million current and former federal employees.

    Here is how Strzok should have responded to Gohmert’s question about the briefing that Strzok received from the intelligence inspector general’s staff:

    As the FBI’s lead counterintelligence agent, I understood that this was a major security breach, with widespread implications over the disclosure of sensitive and classified communications.

    I immediately implemented protocols to investigate the extent of the problem; to notify all agencies and government officials whose communications had been compromised; to assess the damage that may have been done to specific operations, assets, programs, and personnel; and to prepare recommendations on how to remedy the problems caused by this disclosure.

    Unfortunately, Strzok actually said that while he did “remember meeting Mr. Rucker on either one or two occasions,” he did not “recall the specific content or discussions.”

    In other words, the FBI’s main counterintelligence director doesn’t remember being told that the secretary of state (his preferred candidate for president) had a breach in her computer system that forwarded all of her internal communications—including emails containing classified information—to a foreign entity.“

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/07/22/the-clinton-state-departments-major-security-breach-that-everyone-is-ignoring/

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  173. Patterico (3cd31a)

  174. When did lawyers start referring to their clients by their twitter handle? That just reads odd;

    “Obviously, there is an ongoing investigation, and we are sensitive to that. But suffice it to say that when the recording is heard, it will not hurt @MichaelCohen212,” Cohen’s lawyer Lanny Davis tweeted on Friday. “Any attempt at spin can not change what is on the tape.”

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  175. There is just nothing unusual about the fact that they didn’t use the name “Hillary Clinton.” It’s misleading partisan bullshit for Nunes to have pretended otherwise.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  176. No but that the source came from a partisan campaign operation, I mentioned if Gibson catcher had hire backwater as an example.

    narciso (d1f714)

  177. NK, if you look, I know, research right, I was responding to Biff’s comment, but immaterial. Just writing SJW, like its supposed to effectively communicate actual meaning is kind of silly. Either state your case, or not, but just hollering SJW, etc is not actually communicating effectively. So here I will agree, you don’t know Marvel from shinola.

    RogueVal (6e7a1c)

  178. Your taking naming too literal, another perspective;

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo

    The fifth paragraph:

    a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

    That is accurate. Readers will search the FISA application in vain for any specific mention of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign funding of the dossier. For the most part, names were not used in the application, but Donald Trump was referred to as “Candidate #1,” Hillary Clinton was referred to as “Candidate #2,” and the Republican Party was referred to as “Political Party #1.” Thus, the FISA application could easily have explained that the dossier research was paid for by “Candidate #2″ and “Political Party #2,” meaning the Democrats. And yet the FBI chose to describe the situation this way, in a footnote: “Source #1…was approached by an identified U.S. person, who indicated to Source #1 that a U.S.-based law firm had hired the identified U.S. person to conduct research regarding Candidate #1’s ties to Russia…The identified U.S. person hired Source #1 to conduct this research. The identified U.S. person never advised Source #1 as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #1’s ties to Russia. The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s campaign.”

    Democrats argue that the FISA Court judges should have been able to figure out, from that obscure description, that the DNC and Clinton campaign paid for the dossier. That seems a pretty weak argument, but in any case, the Nunes memo’s statement that the FISA application did not disclose or reference the role of the DNC and the Clinton campaign is undeniably true.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  179. Insisting that only a female or minority perspective fits a certain role, coogler and Jenkins have done well zak snydee by contrast at yay yay

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. In a recent sjw themed novel published last year, a character loosely based on javid is stabbed by his son, this is the twist the guardian left out

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/22/uk-drops-death-penalty-guantanamo-opposition-opens-door-execution/

    narciso (d1f714)

  181. NK, if you look, I know, research right, I was responding to Biff’s comment, but immaterial. Just writing SJW, like its supposed to effectively communicate actual meaning is kind of silly. Either state your case, or not, but just hollering SJW, etc is not actually communicating effectively. So here I will agree, you don’t know Marvel from shinola.

    How come you and Biff have the same IP address, RogueVal?

    nk (dbc370)

  182. Never mind. We’ve wasted enough pixels on this.

    nk (dbc370)

  183. Captain Schiffburger 💩 superhero https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXYNvYqVoAAG_mD.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  184. @188

    Democrats argue that the FISA Court judges should have been able to figure out, from that obscure description, that the DNC and Clinton campaign paid for the dossier. That seems a pretty weak argument, but in any case, the Nunes memo’s statement that the FISA application did not disclose or reference the role of the DNC and the Clinton campaign is undeniably true.

    This is a strawman argument. This is the first FISA application that’s ever been revealed, so you don’t know how “obscure” the reference is. You also don’t know what processes an approving judge goes through.

    Davethulhu (270006)

  185. How come you and Biff have the same IP address, RogueVal?

    And Call a Waaambulance and Leroy Jenkins.

    Patterico (3cd31a)

  186. Why do I have the same IP address?

    Biff Radukowski (117de7)

  187. As who, I’m assuming is because I use a commercial VPN service with endpoints all over the place, like in the Czech Republic. They’re shared, at least with PIA, with all of their users.

    Biff Radukowski (134a91)

  188. But I can change it to…Ireland.

    Biff Radukowski (368bcc)

  189. Poor Biff doesn’t realize that credibility is fleeting, fleeting, flown. Couldn’t be bothered to change ip for each sock puppet. Oh well, better late than never. I hope you have better luck changing vocabularies, idioms, lexical ambiguities, etc.

    To what end? If one insists on recourse to such machinations, then credibility is no concern. All that remains is one’s agenda.

    felipe (023cc9)

  190. “According to Gohmert…”

    =Haikumikov!= Gorbachevheit!

    Holy mackerel; Red herring, Red Colonel. Trawler trolling, comrade.

    Still Helstinki. Honor America: shower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  191. Comrade clapper admitted on cnn it was obama who wanted investigation of trump campaign!

    wendell (b4a560)

  192. The worst is print science fiction/fantasy. It always had more than its share of pervs and weirdos but the editors kept them under control. With the rise of Tor and the Nielsen Haydens, being a perv and a weirdo has become a prerequisite to being published.

    nk (dbc370) — 7/22/2018 @ 5:22 pm

    Agreed. It’s getting to be impossible to find anything new to read in those genres.

    NJRob (b00189)

  193. James clapper said on cnn anderson cooper that obama insisted on investigation of trump campaign by intelligence agencies and fbi. A college professor who was a cia operative was one and carter page an fbi informant who help prosecute russian spys in 2013 was another told to infiltrate trump campaign.

    wendell (b4a560)

  194. The hunt for the thugs who deliberately hurled acid in the face of a three-year-old boy in Worcester reached London today as three men were arrested 130 miles away in the capital overnight.

    The mother screamed ‘what have they done to my baby?’ as the child was doused in a corrosive liquid in what police believe was a targeted attack in Britain’s safest city on Saturday.

    The toddler suffered serious burns as he sat in his pushchair in a Home Bargains shop on the city’s Shrub Hill Retail Park.

    The acid was thrown over him while he was out with his family and a witness said the little boy’s mother was holding her head in her hands as she wept outside the shop.

    Following the arrests of three men aged 22, 25 and 26 in London this morning and another of a 39-year-old man in Wolverhampton yesterday, police have now held four people all on suspicion of conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm.

    Link

    Pinandpuller (82a104)

  195. Age is just a number when it comes to neovagina surgeries
    Posted on March 20, 2017
    Trans activists constantly tell us “no one operates on minors.” After all, the WPATH Standards of Care itself officially recommends genital surgeries only for those over the age of 18.

    Anyone who has read this blog for awhile knows that such surgeries are already being performed on minors, at least in the United States. But how many know that gender doctors are openly discussing the advantages of early genital surgeries in highly respected medical journals?

    Link

    Pinandpuller (82a104)

  196. Excuse me ma’am, are you a woman or is that a surgical wound?

    Pinandpuller (82a104)

  197. 194 um, you can read it, it’s quoted, so yes you can make judgement on it’s obscurity.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  198. @patterico

    The FBI should have directly said “Political Party 2″ or “Candidate 2″ in the footnote. They knew who exactly paid for the research.

    The vague “someone trying to discredit” could have been almost anyone. It could have been the New York Daily News, which seems to have a raging anti-Trump hard-on, just as easily as it could have been a political opponent.

    The Washington Post isn’t even claiming that part of the Nunes memo is wrong. https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politics/wp/2018/07/22/with-the-release-of-new-documents-devin-nunes-memo-on-carter-page-has-gotten-even-less-credible/?noredirect=on

    Xmas (e63a38)

  199. Patterico:

    The evidence-based argument that the FISA request is based on something more than the Steele dossier is based on the length and breadth of the redaction. Everything that can be seen is what relates to the Steele dossier. Of course, this is what allows partisans of all stripes to go on partisaning.

    That said, the degree of confidence that Page is a Russian agent is striking. The lawyers who prepared this document don’t hedge, and lawyers almost always hedge if there is a particle of doubt in the evidence.

    Appalled (96665e)

  200. #209 (Xmas)

    The judges were alerted to the highly-motivated bias of the source. Does it matter if the agent doing the paying was Hillary Clinton or Tom Steyer or Mother Jones or Jeb Bush?

    Appalled (96665e)

  201. Have there ever been instances where a transgender person voted twice in the same election : as Steven on the first day of early voting, had surgery soon after and then as Stephanie on actual election day?

    urbanleftbehind (dccb85)

  202. It’s a mixed-up, muddled-up, shook up world except for Steven…

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  203. Death to the Derp State and ALL teh quislings who serve it! Derpity Derp Derp!!!

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  204. I mentioned how a decade, Wolverhampton was the scene of the first interdimensional incursion in Charles stross’s laundry series

    narciso (d1f714)

  205. 211 “The judges were alerted to the highly-motivated bias of the source.”

    I didn’t see this anywhere. They were alerted to the possibility of a biased source. This in light of the fact they knew exactly who the source was, they never referenced them, even anonymously, or the potential degree of bias. i.e. opponent in presidential.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  206. Back in 2015, they seemed to be ignoring the littlest sparrow, but they make it look like her fed and treasury interactions happened in 2017, why is that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  207. Little Hitler Little Sh!tler

    Little Sh!tler, what you doin’?
    Has the cam’ra been trained again?
    And Little Sh!tler, where you goin’?
    Is it go-go day again, today?

    Ever searchin’ for the spotlight
    But the spotlight don’t want to know
    I’ve said all along you’re a fey one
    Little Sh!tler

    Little Sh!tler, what’s the matter now
    Can’t you settle for the center of attention?
    Little Sh!tler, now it’s serious
    Just a guess, why you knocked ‘em off the guest list

    [Chorus]
    As the world turns at the edge of night
    And the poses are shot and sold
    goddam it Little Sh!tler you’re so bold
    Little Sh!tler

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/22/hogg-wild-david-hogg-uses-tweetstorm-democrats/

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  208. Just like they retconned a conversation torchin had in 2013 with Romanov to 2016 when the latter was in prison.

    narciso (d1f714)

  209. 209 That would have killed the narrative from the beginning had the story been; ” Clinton campaign paid law firm, to pay opposition research company with Russian ties, to pay foreign ex spy, to pay Russian officials for dirt on Trump.” It would have been dismissed as the joke the whole dossier is.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  210. Appalled,

    My layman’s understanding of the process is that because of the secret nature of the FISA court all known information needs to go into the warrant. The warrant states “we believe…someone trying to discredit…”. At the time of the warrant the FBI knew it was the Hillary campaign.

    Would the specific declaration of the source of funding for the dossier made a difference to the judge signing the warrant? I doesn’t seem redundant or unnecessary. I could come up with a dozen different organizations and people that would want to discredit Trump that are not directly controlled by the Democratic party.

    Xmas (e63a38)

  211. “Punk icon John Lydon, better known by his stage name Johnny Rotten, defended U.S. President Donald Trump against the “left-wing media” during a Monday interview in London.

    The former Sex Pistols frontman, who became a U.S. citizen in 2013, said on ITV’s “Good Morning Britain” that Mr. Trump is “a complicated fellow” but doesn’t deserve being labeled a racist by his liberal opponents.

    What I dislike is the left-wing media in America are trying to smear the bloke as a racist, and that’s completely not true,” the 61-year-old said. “There’s many, many problems with him as a human being, but he’s not that, and there just might be a chance something good will come out of that situation, because he terrifies politicians.”

    Mr. Lydon said Mr. Trump is like a “political Sex Pistol” whose purpose is to rattle the status quo. After co-host Piers Morgan described Mr. Trump as “the archetypal anti-establishment character,” Mr. Lydon added: “Dare I say, a possible friend.”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/27/johnny-rotten-defends-donald-trump-slams-left-wing/

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  212. narc:

    I think the debate rests on an assumption allegedly fostered by Nunes and his memo that the only thing generating the Page FISA application was the Steele dossier. The assumption is that stuff that is blacked out is unrelated to the Steele dossier, and is separate corroboration.

    To address this fairly, somebody would need to look back not just at the Nunes memo (which York did in your link), but the way the Nunes memo was used by Nunes and others on the Republican side of the Committee to sell a narrative that the Page FISA warrant was obtained because of the Steele dossier, and there wasn’t anything else justifying suspicion. The Nunes memo, if you recall, was very cautious, and didn’t seem to say all that much — a fact noted at the time it came out.

    Appalled (96665e)

  213. No, the ones who convened this inquiry, under dubious auspices who manipulated critical state resources need to do that.

    Narciso (97514a)

  214. 206 – yikes – the similarities to FGM are scary.

    harkin (e4ec42)

  215. #226 —

    The “ones who manipulated state resources” and their supporters are the ones saying Nunes cherry picked the warrant to give off an erroneous impression, and are pointing to the blank-outs and saying “Here’s the proof of that.”

    If you want your case to prevail, someone from your side needs to do better with respect to Nunes.

    Appalled (96665e)

  216. and lawyers almost always hedge if there is a particle of doubt in the evidence.

    True. You should have seen the 2000 comments between 3 threads where the lawyers danced around whether or not Bored Lawyer was correct that Trump bragged to his base about a “Muslim Ban” after he enacted a travel ban.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  217. “The judges were alerted to the highly-motivated bias of the source. Does it matter if the agent doing the paying was Hillary Clinton or Tom Steyer or Mother Jones or Jeb Bush?“

    No. Whoever was providing the funding should have been named.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  218. “If you want your case to prevail, someone from your side needs to do better with respect to Nunes.”

    No, we’ll let the American people decide. They have a good feel for what is being done here. The corrupt leadership of our nation’s law enforcement had to pull out all the stops after the unthinkable – Trump winning the election – happened. This was their back-up plan. They – including the Obama administration- are corrupt to their bones, but few have thought them to be stupid. On the contrary… with their interests at stake, their calculated, sinister, malevolent nature takes control.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  219. narc:

    The essential problem here is that we do not know the quality of the evidence outside of the already leaked dossier that was also relied upon by the court. Lawyers have a habit of making their case with every ethically permitted tool at hand. The dossier is one of those tools, but clearly not the only one.

    I get attacking the evidence we can see, and attempting to tar everything else with the same brush. (If this is so pathetic, obviously everything else is just as pathetic!) But it doesn’t answer the argument that Nunes cherry picked, or that your side is overselling what Nunes did give us.

    I’ll let others make that argument. I’m not paid for this, and I think this one requires a paid advocate who’s got time to research it, or a blogger whose probably too busy with his day job.

    Appalled (96665e)

  220. As if they are not out there…

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  221. This is the same crew who bent over backwards to absolve Hillary, who imported Russian data into a law enforcement and security context.

    Narciso (97514a)

  222. Previosly thry have reclassified data already in the public record.

    Narciso (97514a)

  223. 234 —

    I am sure the links will be coming a little later on. I may look at what Nunes actually said back then (and not the FoxNews / Hannity/ Limbaugh associated noise).

    Appalled (96665e)

  224. OT: “A Georgia lawmaker [(R)] is facing calls to resign after footage of him yelling racial slurs and exposing himself.”
    Classy, dude.

    Tillman (d34303)

  225. 234… You do that. Or continue with MSNBC, CNN and the alphabet networks…

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  226. Sad news… https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/302867/

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  227. Something that’s somewhat informative is looking at the Democrat response to the Nunes memo, and looking at it against the redacted Carter Page FISA. Here’s an interesting bullet point:

    Page’s Connections to Russian Government and Intelligence Officials: The FBI had an independent basis for investigating Page’s motivations and actions during the campaign, transition, and following the inauguration. As DOJ described in detail to the Court, Page had an extensive ]record as [REDACTED} [8] prior to joining the Trump campaign. He resided in Moscow from 2004-2007 and pursued business deals with Russia’s state-owned energy company Gazprom— [REDACTED][9] As early as [REDACTED] a Russian intelligence officer [REDACTED] targeted Page for recruitment. Page showed[REDACTED] .

    Page remained on the radar of Russian intelligence and the FBI. In 2013, prosecutors indicted three other Russian spies, two of whom targeted Page for recruitment. The FBI also interviewed Page multiple times about his Russian intelligence contacts, including in March 2016.[10] The concern about and knowledge of Page’s activities therefore long predate the receipt of Steele’s information.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Correcting_the_Record_%E2%80%93_The_Russia_Investigations

    Appalled (96665e)

  228. Except podesta has multiple ties to sberbank, to uranium one to any number of Russian state interests, yet he wasnt surveiled.

    narciso (d1f714)

  229. Except podesta … wasnt surveiled.

    How do you know?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  230. @241 What was not included in that bullet point was the Page was a cooperating witness for the FBI and helped secure the conviction of the Russian spies. Page claims, and there has been no denial by DOJ, that the referenced March 2016 interview cited in the report was in connection with that investigation, not “Russian collusion.” https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/06/07/carter_page_russian_spy__or_fbi_honor_scout.html

    pete (a65bac)

  231. I’d feel guilty if I didn’t tell all you all about this. Today only, until midnight ET, you can get a one-month trial period of Marvel Unlimited for two cents. Yes, $0.02, or two-thirds of the metal value of one pre-1973 copper penny. Google Marvel Unlimited.

    nk (dbc370)

  232. My interest in marvel probably was around the time of the animated series in the 70s, hulk iron man Spiderman, the brief live action series then again in the 90s with the xmen

    narciso (d1f714)

  233. 233 “Lawyers have a habit of making their case with every ethically permitted tool at hand.”

    Since when have lawyers been constrained by ethics? Especially government lawyers, there has been a dozen cases of them getting sanctioned by the courts in the past couple years for non ethical conduct.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  234. Andy McCarty has a thoughtful analysis of the FISA subject:

    “…(I)t is crystal clear that the Steele dossier, an unverified Clinton-campaign product, was the driving force behind the Trump–Russia investigation.

    “Based on the dossier, the FBI told the FISA court it believed that Carter Page, who had been identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser, was coordinating with the Russian government in an espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 election.

    “This sensational allegation came from Christopher Steele, the former British spy. The FISA court was not told that the Clinton campaign was behind Steele’s work. Nor did the FBI and Justice Department inform the court that Steele’s allegations had never been verified. To the contrary, each FISA application — the original one in October 2016, and the three renewals at 90-day intervals — is labeled “VERIFIED APPLICATION” (bold caps in original). And each one makes this breathtaking representation:

    “The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).

    “In reality, the applications were never verified for accuracy.”

    Here’s the link.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  235. Az Bob:

    The Steele dossier keeps coming back. I wish it didn’t, because of the visual that’s attached to it. But that’s not the whole of the FISA case against Carter Page. Much of that (probably most, but we don’t know for sure) is buried in redaction.

    The McCarthy article is a decent restatement of the case against the dossier, and confirmation that the daggone thing was not verified. It’s also a reassertion of the point that the redacted portion does not corroborate the dossier. But, what it doesn’t really tell us is what the FISA application says about Carter Page’s pre-Trump life. And. that. may. be. where. the. justification. is.

    By only seeing the dossier portion of the FISA application, the findings/assertion relating to the dossier get an undue weight that would otherwise not be there. What the judges may have seen is “guilty as sin Carter Page (see what he did in 2013-2015 that we have on tape!) also met with these guys in 2016 (we think, see dossier prepared by guy who has been good before). All we people looking at the redacted version see is a case built on an unverified dossier with wild sex stuff.

    Appalled (96665e)

  236. If there was a bigger case against Carter Page (who never met or spoke to Trump), why has he not been indicted?

    And if his contacts with the Russians were so bad, why didn’t the investigators warn Trump? Was the Obama administration really interested in stopping Russian meddling? Absolutely not. Obama wanted to use the meager evidence of the Page-Russian connection as an excuse for spying on Trump or better yet catching Trump doing it himself.

    Can anyone explain why the White House specialist on cyber security was told to stand down? Obama knew he could use it as an excuse to spy and manipulate the media.

    AZ Bob (885937)

  237. According to the house of cards indictment, cyberstrikes experts assured the dnc they had purged the hackers, but much like the airwolf episode where they thought they had purged the logic bomb created by the founder, they were mistaken.

    narciso (d1f714)

  238. 250. AZ Bob (885937) — 7/23/2018 @ 12:26 pm

    And if his contacts with the Russians were so bad, why didn’t the investigators warn Trump?

    The logivcal explanation would be that they weren’t sure that Trump was not part of it – that he wasn’t the Siberian candidate. Maybe a not unreasonable precaution.

    Can anyone explain why the White House specialist on cyber security was told to stand down?

    What he was asked to stand down from was retaliation.

    Obama was probably concerned that it wasn’t legal, or that it was an act of war, and what teh Russians had done so far wasn’t so serious that it called for that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  239. 245. nk (dbc370) — 7/23/2018 @ 10:27 am

    two-thirds of the metal value of one pre-1973 copper penny. Google Marvel Unlimited.

    isn’t that per-192 copper penny.

    The compostion of the penny was changed in the middle of 1982, so that some 1982 pennies are mostly copper and some are mostly zinc.

    https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/penny-solid-copper-or-plated-768853

    If your Lincoln Memorial penny has a date before 1982, it is made of 95% copper. If the date is 1983 or later, it is made of 97.5% zinc and plated with a thin copper coating.

    For pennies dated 1982, when both copper and zinc cents were made, the safest and best way to determine their composition is to weigh them. Solid copper pennies weigh 3.11 grams (+/- 0.130 g.), whereas the copper plated zinc pennies weigh only 2.5 grams (+/- 0.100 g.).

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  240. So waht do we have here?

    The identified U.S. person [someone at Fusion GPS] never sdvised Source #1 [Christopher Steele] as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #1’s [Trump] ties to Russia. The FBI speculates [!] that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s campaign.

    This substitution of description for names was probably routime and is also found in indictments.

    Never advised? Was the FBI trying to hint that Steele had no idea as to the purpose of his research?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  241. Meanwhile the avenattis are breaking up shockah.

    Narciso (acaba3)

  242. Judge delays Manafort trial, grants immunity to 5 Mueller witnesses

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/judge-grants-immunity-mueller-witnesses-manafort-seeks-trial/story?id=56761562

    “Within hours of Ellis’ ruling, the names of those witnesses were unsealed: Dennis Raico, Cindy Laporta, Conor O’Brien, Donna Duggan, and James Brennan.”

    Notably missing from this list is Tony Podesta, a name spread widely among the wingnut media as a recipient of immunity.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  243. Let’s take a look and who’s been spreading the fake news:

    “Tony Podesta, founder of the now-shuttered Podesta Group and brother to former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, has been offered immunity by special counsel Robert Mueller to testify against former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, according to a report.

    harkin (e7e3ee) — 7/19/2018 @ 7:57 pm
    _________________
    “Tony Podesta, founder of the now-shuttered Podesta Group and brother to former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, has been offered immunity by special counsel Robert Mueller to testify against former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, according to a report.“

    Robert Mueller must be going for a lifetime achievement award in getting pedophiles off with light sentences.

    Anton Michael (8a7ec5) — 7/19/2018 @ 9:27 pm
    _________________

    So Podesta gets immunity from doing wnat Manafort did, and that Russian student, in order to get him to testify to whatever Mueller needs against Manafort.
    You’d have to be a lawyer to think that’s neat.

    Richard Aubrey (3d7f6e) — 7/20/2018 @ 11:03 am
    _________________
    So all the people who were involved in Clinton’s server crimes, the bleach bit, the destruction and attempted destruction of evidence – all Democrats – get immunity from prosecution and now Podesta… the man presumably guilty of the same crimes as his former business partner, Manafort, who is currently behind bars… Democrat Podesta gets immunity. Robert Mueller should be shown the door, he’s making a mockery of our justice system.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2018 @ 5:54 pm
    _________________
    Schiffheel Democrats get kid glove treatment and immunity, Republicans get prosecuted.

    Reichsmarschall Mueller.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2018 @ 9:45 pm
    _________________
    Fine work, one and all.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  244. How does all but 4 of Hillary’s emails being copied to:

    “an address that was not on the distribution list”

    become

    “an unauthorized source that was a foreign entity unrelated to Russia”

    Vido at http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/12/ig-clinton-foreign-emails/

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  245. Its a resaponable inference old squid, now these names make no sense, at all.

    narciso (d1f714)

  246. 212 transgendeers voting twice ann the man coulter.

    wendell (d1a0c8)

  247. Do we know that the IG actually said that almost all of the surviving emails were being copied to an unlisted address, and do we know further that that was a foreign entity, but not Russia?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  248. @259 narciso

    It was a reasonable inference if you’re a broke-brained wingnut. It was reported as the same “unnamed sources” that you love to decry when it’s not in service to your efforts at spreading propaganda.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  249. The original source of the claim that Tony Podesta got immunity is not here.

    It’s Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/mueller-quietly-offered-podesta-immunity-testify-manafort-case/

    “Tonight we can report exclusively based on two separate sources we spoke to today that Tony Podesta has been offered immunity by Robert Mueller to testify against Paul Manafort,” reported Carlson.

    The Daily Caller News Foundation has not independently confirmed the report.

    We don’t know that that’s nor true, because all we know is that five other people have accepted

    Podesta could have bene offered on condition.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  250. @263 Sammy

    I disagree. The original story was “immunity sought for 5 witnesses” : https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/mueller-immunity-request/index.html

    Today 5 names were released. None of them is Tony Podesta.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  251. Cynthia Laporte the last name on the list, is podestas accountant

    narciso (d1f714)

  252. urbanleftbehind

    In KY and some other states you can get your Birth Certificate changed, so maybe.

    If this didn’t involve the brutal slaying of a defenseless elderly man it’d be the greatest headline ever. But this isn’t a half-baked episode of Law and Order, this is American Gothic, Ohio style.

    Â CHARDON, Ohio – Prosecutors say she “exercised” her husband to death in their apartment pool. Last Thursday, a transgender woman from Geauga County pled guilty to reckless homicide.

    Newly released surveillance video from the Middlefield Village Apartment Complex shows 41-year-old Chris Mason (aka Christine Newton-John (!?!)) holding her elderly husband’s head under water and forcing him to swim in the deep end. Police counted at least 43 separate occasions when the wife prevented her husband James Mason from leaving the water.

    In June 2008, 73 year-old James Mason suffered a heart attack in the pool after spending nearly two hours swimming with his wife.

    “It doesnt appear to be exercise. This is a man being dragged around and pushed in the water, taken out to the deep end. That’s still really traumatic for somebody who’s afraid of water,” says Middlefield Police Chief Joseph Stehlik.

    Wow. The worst part is that Chris/Christine’s mother was sitting there watching the murder the whole time. Christine then wanted to sue the apartment complex where the pool was located even though she knew there were cameras there.

    http://www.red-alerts.com/crime-news/transsexual-trophy-wife-kills-aquaphobic-husband-in-swimming-pool-as-part-of-insurance-scam/

    Pinandpuller (e2b4b1)

  253. Acronym of the day

    TERF Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist

    Pinandpuller (e2b4b1)

  254. @266… this is American Gothic, Ohio style.

    S’cuse me, sir, it’s a Columbo. PP.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  255. @265 narciso

    Show your work. According to this she’s an accountant at a firm that did Manafort’s taxes:

    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/gy3ywy/here-are-the-five-people-who-just-got-immunity-in-the-manafort-trial

    “Bloomberg tied two, Laporta and O’Brien, to an accounting firm based in Virginia called Kositzka, Wicks and Company, citing a person familiar with the situation. The news agency said KWC had prepared Manafort’s taxes. “

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  256. 257…

    Here’s a few…

    “Cheryl Mills, Hillary Clinton’s former chief of staff, received an immunity deal from the Justice Department during the year-long FBI investigation of Clinton’s server.

    Two other State Department staffers, John Bentel and Heather Samuelson, were also given immunity agreements, bringing the total number of witnesses who were protected by deals to five.

    Bryan Pagliano, Clinton’s former IT aide, and Paul Combetta, an employee at the firm hired to manage her server after she left the State Department, received such protection through deals that were reported previously.”

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  257. “Rather than striking immunity deals with virtually every person who had intimate knowledge of Hillary Clinton’s illegal private server and emails, the Justice Department would have saved everyone some time by offering Clinton protection instead.

    FBI Director James Comey, who testified in front of two congressional committees this week, still maintains that he was unable to recommend that the DOJ charge Clinton with mishandling classified documents because of insufficient evidence proving “intent” — although the actions themselves are irrefutably illegal.

    Well, how exactly did he anticipate gathering this proof, when the DOJ had proactively shielded the five people tasked with setting up the private system and then destroying it? Was he hoping to extract a confession directly from Clinton?

    Why would, for instance, a Clinton functionary like Cheryl Mills help prosecutors once she’d already secured safeguards against any criminal prosecution? While testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee, Comey claimed that Mills was already “cooperative” and that the Justice Department had assured the FBI she had done nothing wrong.

    If she were accommodating and completely innocent, why would she seek — and be given — immunity? A lawyer for Mills and Heather Samuelson, another one of the five, had already admitted the deal was struck to protect her clients from potential prosecution arising from “classification” on their laptops. Apparently, the DOJ was more convinced of their innocence than their lawyer was.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/09/30/why_didnt_the_fbi_give_hillary_clinton_immunity_and_spare_us_the_drama_131937.amp.html

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  258. That sure is a lot of words to avoid saying “I believed a fake news story pushed by noted moron Tucker Carlson.”

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  259. If Carlson was incorrect, he will be sure to say so. Who on the Left … e.g., Maddow, anyone else at that network, or CNN, or any of the alphabet networks EVER corrects a misstatement?

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  260. I provided five examples, nitwit.

    Colonel Haiku (077308)

  261. so they share the same account, one partner also had ties to perkins coie,

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9719

    narciso (d1f714)

  262. so what are the odds they are tied to the same firm connected to fusion, and crowdstrike, and apparently the sandler foundation, which runs ProPublica,

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/51525

    narciso (d1f714)

  263. @275 narciso

    Your claim was “Cynthia Laporta is Podesta’s accountant.” Your link does not support your claim.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  264. it illustrates much more, including Mueller’s extreme selectivity, in targeting,

    narciso (d1f714)

  265. speaking of stable geniuses,

    https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/1021448081454387201

    narciso (d1f714)

  266. @278 You’re moving goalposts now. And I’m not interested in arguing conspiracy theories.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  267. Who knew that Sargent Schultz had so many descendants?

    Unnamed sources are EEVVIIL, oh, it was team Trump, those are 100% true.

    Whole witch hunt came from silly dossier in the FISA application in October of 2016…for the witch hunt that started in July of 2016. What, you mean Comey had a time machine, and hasn’t used it since, or was it Hillary, or Obama, or all of the above.

    New Headline: We have a working Time Machine!!!

    Colonel Klink (2660cf)

  268. trump has the time machine, and the almanac:

    thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/398276-carter-page-warrant-reflects-attack-on-our-civil-liberties

    narciso (d1f714)

  269. No, You’re a time machine, er, or something.

    Colonel Klink (6d6996)

  270. it’s a joke, unlike this vekakte investigation,

    narciso (d1f714)

  271. notasissymo This will explain it all.

    Colonel Klink (6d6996)

  272. Why won’t the Russians give Trump the missing server Hillary kept in her bathroom? Why did the FBI cave to the Democrats’ refusal to allow the FBI to examine it?

    AZ Bob (885937)

  273. @257 And hat’s off to you Davethulhu. I thought about looking into that myself.

    Tillman (d34303)

  274. David French makes precisely the right point here:

    Trump (and Nunes, for that matter) doesn’t get exonerated by the Carter Page FISA application unless Trump orders that the heavy redactions in the document be removed. If Trump doesn’t do that — well, I and my fellow non-Trump fans get to draw conclusions from that failure.

    Appalled (96665e)

  275. Well we know they will have another kerfluffle like When they were forced to give halper and Marcy outed herself.

    Narciso (1dffc8)

  276. “If Trump doesn’t do that — well, I and my fellow non-Trump fans get to draw conclusions from that failure.”

    Yes, he should do that. Even if he does, NeverTrumpers will be jumping through hoops to their conclusions. Let’s be serious.

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  277. Haiku:

    Partisans will partisan. There will be 40% of the voting public who will believe Trump is a Russian plant, and nothing will move them. And a second 35% who believe that Trump is perfect, even if he is a Russian plant, so nothing’s moving them either.

    Appalled (96665e)

  278. So how many drinks did miss turk get at out expense, so they could play rplodex with papadop?

    Narciso (1dffc8)


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