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10/26/2017

Motorist Attacked by Pro-Immigration Protesters — And Who Gets Arrested???

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:09 pm

Go watch the video at the L.A. Times Web site and tell me what you think.

I’m appalled that the motorist was arrested. (Although maybe the cops didn’t see the whole thing, so I can’t necessarily blame them.) I think the woman who leapt onto his car should have been arrested — probably with a few of her fellow protesters. Yet this guy is booked on assault with a deadly weapon? You’ve gotta be kidding me.

I hope the case is re-evaluated now that the video is available.

I’m on jury duty next week. Bring a case like this to me and I’ll vote to acquit and then lecture the prosecutor.

Outrageous.

[As with all posts, this post is written in my private capacity. I do not speak for my office, and never do on this site.]

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

95 Responses to “Motorist Attacked by Pro-Immigration Protesters — And Who Gets Arrested???”

  1. I’m pretty angry watching that, and I feel very sorry for the motorist.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. They just want a better life for themselves and their children, Patterico.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. Only for themselves and their children. Not for us or our children.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Noticed the vehicle had handicap plates-was that possibly a factor w/t driver stopping, maybe?? — but dare it be said, don’t ‘pedestrians have the right of way?’ Poor excuse, eh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. don’t ‘pedestrians have the right of way?

    In a designated cross-walk and in compliance with any traffic control signal or sign. Jaywalking is against the law in LA.

    The worst thing against him is that the police were already there trying to control the crowd, and there seems to be no compelling necessity for him to use self-help.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. @5. nk- Do the handicap plates factor in?? Maybe he had physical/medical issues and couldn’t slow or stop fast enough. Not that it’s an excuse. Just wondering.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. It is an excuse, actually, for anything more serious than a traffic offense (those are usually absolute liability). It goes to intent, which is the state of mind which needs to be proven for the crime he has been charged with. Even negligence, if you are in a place you have a right to be, doing what a reasonable person would be doing, and the complainant’s tortious acts triggered your disability.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. For example, I suffer from pyramidal spasticity in my left leg. Just about anything can make it jump — like a frog’s leg when an electric current is run through it. If a former President were to goose me, and I was to kick his wheelchair over, that would be a colorable defense. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  9. @7/8- Interesting. Usually give vehicles w/those plate a wide berth on the road anyway not only for consideration of those driving but the vehicles themselves as some are equipped w/levers and contraptions seemingly more time consuming to manipulate while motoring.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. What I’m seeing is a bunch of professional SEIU thugs run towards a car was that in motion. Maybe if they had been able to speak English, they could have understood what was happening.

    Also this looks like one of those intersections with the crosswalks going in each direction so it might have been confusing.

    All in all, not the motorist’s fault at all. SEIU clearly jumped onto the car and in front of it.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  11. Video of the incident shows a small group of protesters in front of a blue sedan stopped at the intersection. When the car begins to move slowly forward, some protesters placed their hands on the car and tried to stop it. At that point, the car began to move faster and at least one protester jumped on the car’s hood. With protesters screaming, police stopped the car a short distance later in the middle of the intersection as one officer hit the hood with a nightstick. No one else was in the vehicle.

    Carpenter said no victims have come forward so far. Police are asking any witnesses or people who were injured to contact them. David Huerta, president of the SEIU United Service Workers West labor union, said “several” of his members went to the hospital but had no other information about potential injuries.

    Claudia Aguilera, 46, of Los Angeles jumped onto the hood of the car as other protesters pushed against the grille and hit the passenger door with sticks. She was on the hood for about seven seconds as the car accelerated before she said she slid off on the passenger side.

    So, protesters, instead of moving out of the way, voluntarily put their hands on the car. A woman admittedly jumped on the hood of the car. She did not fall off, but slid off, and one assumes landing on her feet, as there is no body on the ground in front of the stopped car, which indicates the car was not going fast at all (although the report makes it sound like it), and now an SEIU official claims several protesters went to the hospital but the police said no victims to their knowledge. Why on earth would we believe members went to the hospital? Who went, what were the injuries sustained? Because it seems pretty suspicious that a woman who jumped on the hood of a moving car was able to slide off and land on her feet, but others ended up in the hospital.

    Dana (023079)

  12. Sorry to hear it. It isn’t the first time.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  13. Anyone remember the scam artist on M*A*S*H who used to throw himself in front of jeeps?

    Pinandpuller (b6531c)

  14. No but I don’t remeber most of of the seventies.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  15. I think it’s Arabic for beloved.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvgk4hPbebE

    Yemen Blues – Min Kalbi

    Yes, that’s it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm96LJnUJiI

    A-WA – Habib Galbi (Acoustic session)

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  16. Running over protesters seems like good sport but as we see with the woman killed at charlottesville. Creating maryters for the other side waving the bloody shirt is not a good thing. this is why the hated here establishment supports gun control for negroes and mexicans so they can’t shoot back.

    road runner (6797d2)

  17. A-WA – Habib Galbi (Acoustic session)

    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/27/2017 @ 1:24 am

    Interesting. I like those types of rhythms. It’s the Mebarak in Shakira if you know what I mean.

    ¿Donde estan los ladrones?

    A mi me gusta ella

    Pinandpuller (bb638a)

  18. She really went all out on this song but she can pull it off

    Ojos Asi

    Pinandpuller (bb638a)

  19. There are a lot of Arabic house music guys on SoundCloud. I guess that’s a good thing.

    Pinandpuller (bb638a)

  20. She really went all out on this song but she can pull it off

    Ojos Asi
    Pinandpuller (bb638a) — 10/27/2017 @ 1:58 am

    https://www.youtube.com/user/TvPerola

    Easy om those eyes like this, too.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  21. Hey, wait a minute! That’s not the camel’s nose come in under the tent!

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  22. This guy stopped. He was arrested. Reginald Denny stopped. He was damn near beaten to death. The trend seems to be clear: Nothing good happens when you stop.

    Russ from Winterset (98dc4c)

  23. No, he was definitely right to stop when police ordered him to stop. I think he acted reasonably at all times. I might not have pulled my car forward at all, but maybe he was scared and trying to get out of there.

    I don’t even care about the politics of the people. This is all about behavior.

    Patterico (fd4b68)

  24. Although it’s more reasonable to fear violence from the SEIU than from, say, a crowd of Ted Cruz supporters. So to that extent, it could matter.

    Patterico (fd4b68)

  25. I watched the video. The driver was wrong to push the person who stood in front of the car. The driver was d*mned lucky that person did not loose balance and fall under the the front of the vehicle while it was moving.

    I agree that the person who jumped on the car a bit later was wrong to do so just as the persons who beat upon the vehicle were wrong. If a relative of mine had been driving, I would have lectured them on he stupidity of what they had done; endangering the lives of multiple pedestrians. I agree with the arrest. What comes next (justice) for the driver is to be found in court.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  26. Two things:

    The car had a handicapped license plate, so perhaps that led to the driver’s decision making. I don’t how, just a thought though.

    Also, the lights to turn left or go straight were red at the time the driver pulled forward through the intersection.

    Dana (023079)

  27. isn’t failifornia already a sanctuary state plus chock full of yummy illegal immigrant hepatitis to boot?

    almost paradise we’re knockin’ on heaven’s door

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. Although it’s more reasonable to fear violence from the SEIU than from, say, a crowd of Ted Cruz supporters. So to that extent, it could matter.

    Patterico (fd4b68) — 10/27/2017 @ 6:37 am

    And thats why we dont have a President “Rafa” (sounds more rough than Raffi?) or Rafael Edward if you prefer. Would have been nice to have that intimidation factor on that cloudy Indiana spring day.

    While the ethnocentric side of me salutes the Felipe response, I would disagree, hell I dont think you should stop at the scene of a hit-and-run if you judge the “neighborhood response” to be instantaneous and severe – in those cases, I would instruct myself and others to phone in the accident give location and then proceed to nearest police or fire station in surrender pose.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  29. Dont give the wine people ideas, Narciso. I hear there will be a shortage as a result of the fires.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  30. It’s a lucky thing the cop’s instinct was to use his nightstick and not his gun. Possibly the World Series influenced him.

    The reason the driver was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, is that cops want cars classified as deadly weapon. That way they can justify shooting unarmed drivers. There are dozens of cases like that every year. As common as “I thought the cell phone was a gun”. A deadly cliche, but it gives the Blue Wall something to hang its hat on.

    nk (dbc370)

  31. Just like mirism Carey on capitol hill,,some years back.

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. I assume they interviewed everyone. If most of the witnesses say X and the driver said Y, maybe the prosecutor went with X.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. It’s not just CA where the idiots are given the benefit of the doubt:

    “But proving the five teens knew that hurling a 6-8 pound rock from a highway overpass at cars going about 70 mph could result in someone’s death could be difficult for Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton, who is trying all five teens as adults.

    White was riding in the passenger side of a van, heading home from work, and died shortly after the rock came through the windshield and hit him in the chest and face.

    “The injuries are horrific. … I gasped out (when I saw them.)” Leyton said. “I’ve seen a lot in four terms.”

    Leyton said he believes the teens should have known that throwing rocks from a highway overpass could cause bodily harm.

    “I think they wanted to throw rocks down on the highway and hit vehicles as those vehicles came by,” Leyton said. “I don’t think they said, ‘OK, we’re going to kill Kenneth White when he comes hurtling down the road.’ But I do think they said, ‘We are going to throw a rock down at the next car that goes by and try to hit it……..'”

    ……..”I understand the outrage. I understand there needs to be justice and accountability. But we can’t let our emotion and anger take over,” said Manley, who is Frank Manley’s brother.

    “It’s time for the grownups to get together. I am talking about the attorneys and law enforcement. We have to come up with solutions that benefit society and these children,” he said.

    On Tuesday, Gray’s attorney, Meiers, said, “You’ve got five children charged with offenses carrying life in prison. One minute they’re looking to going to prom or homecoming and the next minute they’re sitting in a detention center.”

    All they did was drop boulders from an overpass onto oncoming cars, no way they meant to hurt anyone….

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/michigan-highway-rock-shatters-more-than-one-life/ar-AAu6mn1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

    harkin (10a18c)

  34. 31. nk (dbc370) — 10/27/2017 @ 7:26 am

    cops want cars classified as deadly weapon.

    Doesn’t that depend on the speed of the car. If it’s 30 miles per hour or maybe 25, then it is deadly weapon. If it is traveling forward at 5 mph maybe not so.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  35. The last Chicago case I read about, the car was parked and it had just nosed out when the police opened fire.

    The first Chicago case I remember, from forty plus years ago, it was an off-duty cop in his car who got upset that the music from the car stopped in traffic next to him was too loud.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. 34…Eminem or Kid Rock? That dark kid looks like he’s showing out for the friends with the UnderArmor Camo.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  37. 36. So they would have it as a binary choice: everything is or is not a deadly weapon, regardless of how it is used?

    A car is not normally considered any kind of a weapon. Velocity can make it a weapon. It can make almost anything solid a weapon, in fact.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  38. 36, that’s a lot like that urban pioneer CPD officer in North Lawndale from a couple tears back who fired off at his neighbors playing loud music at 2 in the morning.

    urbanleftbehind (f2041d)

  39. In fairness to the law, Sammy, it only works for the police. For everybody else, it’s like you say.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. I would imagine a car is always a weapon. Velocity makes it a striking/hitting weapon but gravity makes it a crushing weapon even if not moving fast. A car needn’t be traveling at 25 mph to crush a person. I know, I saw it happen.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  41. Just a small correction. They are pro-illegal immigration.

    Deport the lot of them.

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  42. One of the first things I learned about “rules of the road” was that if a police officer is present, his instructions take precedence over everything else, including traffic signals. So legally the driver should have waited for the police to allow drivers through, even if the police are idiots* who are letting the children play in the street. And there’s nothing I see that could be construed as a life threatening situation prior to the driver starting to move his care forward.

    The police failure was not the arrest of the driver, but the non arrest of the people who hit/jumped/attacked the car. They made it a life threatening situation, once the car moved forward. And if the LA Times could find the hood jumper so easily, the LAPD should be able to as well.

    *I’ve encountered enough police officers doing traffic duty here in Florida to suspect that it’s something relegated to the lowest IQs among them. Certainly more than a few think it fine and dandy to keep drivers waiting five or ten minutes for no obvious reason.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  43. Doesn’t it seem like the police on the scene could have prevented this by either managing traffic or preventing protestors from intentionally confronting motorists? Why stand by and watch the conflict happen?

    crazy (d99a88)

  44. Looks like kishnevi addressed my question while I was posting it… Thanks

    crazy (d99a88)

  45. In fairness to the law, Sammy, it only works for the police. For everybody else, it’s like you say.

    I have seen (righteous) ADW cases with cars where the victim is not a police officer.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  46. the LAPD is sleazy and corrupt

    but i been pretty successful at staying off their radar since i moved

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. Happy’s gonna be in the Straight outta Compton sequel as herself or as a Pikachu cosplayer.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  48. Mobs are deadly weapons, as any one who has studied the results of rioting mob violence would know. If a mob starts beating on my wife’s car, I know what I’ve told her to do.

    SPQR (240837)

  49. SPQR@49
    You’re right. But in this instance the mob did not (from what I can see) start beating on the car until the car started moving forward.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  50. Its City of Brea PD, although nowadays everybody seems to have ditched blue for tactical navy or black. Thats why I respect the sailor-white unis of Cincinnati and Columbus and LVMPD because they were sheriff tan even in the city.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  51. Patterico @46. I agree that there are righteous ADWs with the car as the weapon. We had an incident in Chicago this last May in which a woman chased another with her SUV on the sidewalk and pinned her to a tree, killing her. That is cut and dried. Teenagers “reversing in an aggressive manner” is more the kind of case I had in mind.

    nk (dbc370)

  52. It wasnt a deliberate act, yet they’ve sold all their other problems so

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. City of Brea? Is that where the Tar Pits are?

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  54. i love fossils

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. City of Brea is east of the San Gabriel Valley on the 57 at the northern tip of Orange County; the LaBrea Tar Pits and useum are 3 miles west of Downtown LA on Wilshire.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  56. Thanks…although I must admit that California is really low on the list of places I want to see.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  57. the LaBrea Tar Pits

    I chuckle at that name. It means, literally, The The Tar Tar Pits.

    …and while we’re on the subject of the tar pits, here’s a little ditty from years ago

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  58. i wanna be famous like rachel corrie!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. 56.City of Brea is east of the San Gabriel Valley

    That’s like saying Pasadena is east of the La Brea Tar Pits.

    Better description: North of Fullerton, East of La Habra, South of Walnut and West of Yorba Linda/Sleepy Hollow.

    It was heaven in the 60s and 70s, when I grew up near the LA/Orange County line (Beach Blvd and Lambert area).

    harkin (10a18c)

  60. I had jury duty 2 weeks about at the Inglewood courthouse. They ended up with no trials the day I was called in (2 pleas and a continuance). I had wondered if our paths would cross.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  61. Harkin–

    Between Fullerton and Diamond Bar on CA57 or Brea Canyon Road.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  62. *2 weeks AGO. Where “about” came from I have no idea.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  63. 59, Rachel Corrie didnt do the Gavage thing right, you need “cushion” like these SEIU heinas to survive such a bodily trauma.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  64. I agree with Law prof. Glenn Reynolds on this matter. In some states the definition of kidnapping includes both taking an individual somewhere against their will and preventing them from leaving a place against their will when they no longer wish to be there.

    If a crowd is using physical force to block roads that ought to meet the definition of kidnapping. It’s a crime in Texas, although it isn’t kidnapping. But it should be. But moreover, the whole point of doing so is according to the leftists who do this is to make me and people like me feel uncomfortable. I.E. put us in fear.

    Which leads me to ask, how much force can be used against me before I am justified in responding with deadly force? Instapundit got into some trouble when he said that motorists would be justified using their vehicles as weapons whenever a mob is blocking the road. If they’re capable and willing to do that, what else are they capable of and willing to do. Remember Reginald Denny.

    Deadly force is justified under the laws of Texas to prevent among other things aggravated kidnapping.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  65. Kevin M – “Between Fullerton and Diamond Bar on CA57 or Brea Canyon Road.”

    I remember riding my mini-bike on the 57 all alone, a few days before it opened.

    The 57 really was the beginning of the end for that area. What was a beautiful cove in the hills full of citrus groves, corn and wheat fields (and yes, oil wells) was paved over in a decade. Firestone boy scout camp and Sleepy Hollow used to be the far reaches for where I was allowed to wander…..back when kids could wander.

    harkin (10a18c)

  66. A couple of Chris Christie’s aids were convicted of conspiracy for engineering traffic jams on the George Washington bridge. Anyone else remember “Bridgegate?” Is engineering traffic jams only a crime when Republicans do it, but a sacred form of protest when the SEIU does it? Leftists like Antifa and Black Lives Matter have engineered traffic jams that have prevented ambulances from getting to hospitals. They deserve to be run down.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  67. Reginald Denny could not be reached for comment about stopping for protestors.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  68. What say the group with regard to a panhandler who has positioned himself/herself next to your driver side door if you are about to exit your car in a parking lot and then begins into their spiel without a weapon being brandished or a punch/kick being thrown. Does that meet standard physical force warranting deterrence/defense actions?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  69. the barest of being on topic, but this guy looks like undercover George Zimmerman:

    http://abc7chicago.com/drunk-uncle-made-11-year-old-nephew-drive-to-avoid-dui-police-say/2574416/?sf126584851=1

    see also The HonkyTonk Man with Clint Eastwood (1982) – “Let the Boy Drive”

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)


  70. Does that meet standard physical force warranting deterrence/defense actions?

    I would imagine if you feel threatened or in fear of life or limb it would. Especially if you’re elderly, handicapped or even a female.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  71. 69.”What say the group with regard to a panhandler who has positioned himself/herself next to your driver side door if you are about to exit your car in a parking lot and then begins into their spiel without a weapon being brandished or a punch/kick being thrown.”

    “”If somebody is being so aggressive panhandling that you fear for your safety and feel compelled to give them money it’s actually a robbery,” Scoggins said.

    But police said there’s little officers can do about the bigger problem since a law that changed three years ago prevents police for citing the homeless on state property.”

    Guess the state!

    http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/aggressive-panhandler-caught-on-camera-on-101-fwy-off-ramp

    harkin (10a18c)

  72. The Drunk Uncle is a genius. DUI penalties and costs being what they are a few hundred dollar ticket for the kid is well worth it. He went from a possible $10k in costs, a suspended license for a year, driver school, DUI school, $200 a month for a year of ignition interlock, and five years of a 40% car insurance increase. There are less punishments for pistol whipping a Korean 7-11 owner during a robbery than for a DUI.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  73. Thank you 71 and 72, that is what I thought I just hope Lake County has more huevos (cojones is for Spaniards and their Catalan housepests) than Cook County when it comes to that sort of thing.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  74. In a perfect world, people who willfully step in front of a moving vehicle would bear the responsibility for the results. The police should not stand idly by while these SEIU morons pull this stuff.

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  75. mexican tuna isn’t safe for dolphins

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. It’s unreasonable to expect others to care more for the lives of these miscreants than the miscreants themselves do.

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  77. The police will do nothing to stop their Union Brothers. Remember, after all is said and done the cops are the military arm of local government and their duty is to kill you to keep the peace and/or protect the status quo.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  78. they kill your dog too

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  79. And eat all your Tuna.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  80. I see purple these days, I see red. And right outside the office of my old high school classmate!

    Purple Haze Crazed
    Purple crazed, all on my car
    Hit teh gas, try to launch ‘em far
    They actin’ funny, but I don’t know why
    F*ck me, how did I miss that guy

    Purple crazed, all around
    Can’t tell, teh good ones from teh clowns 🤡
    Leave ‘em chanting, or in misery?
    What ever I do, that cop’ll put teh cuffs on me
    Help me
    Help me
    Oh, no, no
    Ooo, ahhh
    Ooo, ahhh
    Ooo, ahhh
    Ooo, ahhh, yeah!
    Purple crazed all in my eyes
    Don’t know if I should run that light
    They got me freakin’, nervous as Hell
    That purple fat guy, gonna ring his bell

    Colonel Haiku (d14968)

  81. Haiku plays Crazy Taxi

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  82. I’m appalled that after 82 posts, the word ‘green’ does not appear anywhere in this discussion. Was the light green?

    CFarleigh (094b61)

  83. And I was possibly unkind to the police. They see a lot of traffic deaths.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. Which leads me to ask, how much force can be used against me before I am justified in responding with deadly force? Instapundit got into some trouble when he said that motorists would be justified using their vehicles as weapons whenever a mob is blocking the road. If they’re capable and willing to do that, what else are they capable of and willing to do. Remember Reginald Denny.

    Deadly force is justified under the laws of Texas to prevent among other things aggravated kidnapping.
    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/27/2017 @ 10:54 am

    The Castle Doctrine can extend to your car depending on your state law.

    Pinandpuller (782fdd)

  85. And I was possibly unkind to the police. They see a lot of traffic deaths.
    nk (dbc370) — 10/27/2017 @ 9:17 pm

    Isn’t that like feeling sad for Scott Peterson because he watched his wife die?

    Pinandpuller (782fdd)

  86. They might not be insincere in their view of cars as deadly weapons, which is what I accused them of.

    nk (dbc370)

  87. Colonel Haiku (d14968) — 10/27/2017 @ 12:58 pm

    LOL! Truly inspired.

    felipe (023cc9)

  88. Was the light green?
    CFarleigh (094b61) — 10/27/2017 @ 8:54 pm

    Also, the lights to turn left or go straight were red at the time the driver pulled forward through the intersection.
    Dana (023079) — 10/27/2017 @ 6:48 am

    You must have missed that comment.

    felipe (023cc9)

  89. They might not be insincere in their view of cars as deadly weapons, which is what I accused them of.
    nk (dbc370) — 10/27/2017 @ 11:18 pm

    I very much appreciate that you wrote that. You are a good man.

    felipe (023cc9)

  90. tuna makes a damn fine sammich sometimes and that’s no lie (fair dingum)

    in los angeles where the dirty hepatitis immigrants gambol and play in traffic, the tuna’s a purchase what you can make and not pay any tax on the transaction

    that’s not how it is in perverted mike madigan’s nickel and dimey illinois poop-show

    you might still see that

    you might still see it in the desert

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  91. You must have missed that comment.

    Ah, my bad. Should have searched for the word ‘red’ as well.

    CFarleigh (094b61)

  92. It was heaven in the 60s and 70s, when I grew up near the LA/Orange County line (Beach Blvd and Lambert area).

    La Habra and everything else except Fullerton was Hell.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  93. Pretty much all of the OC was heaven. 20 minutes to get to the beach from Anaheim… riding my Schwinn Stingray bike on roads that wound thru orange groves over to Angel’s Stadium to watch a ballgame for $1.65. Dove and rabbit hunting with my Sheridan “Blue Streak” pump pellet rifle in the groves that stood where the 57 freeway now stands. Climbing thru the fighter jet shell at the Boysen Park playground. Catching Alligator lizards and scorpions along the banks of teh Santa Ana River… watching as my friend set fire to an old rickety farm house in the middle of the orange grove near the intersection of Lincoln Avenue and Rio Vista… oh… wait…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  94. Isn’t that like feeling sad for Scott Peterson because he watched his wife die?

    Pinandpuller (782fdd) — 10/27/2017 @ 10:48 pm

    It’s like feeling sad for the Menendez brothers because they’re now orphans.

    Tanny O'Haley (c674c7)

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