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4/30/2017

Conservatives Did Not Shame People Into Silence, The Left Did That

Filed under: General — Dana @ 2:03 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Chicago Tribune reporter John Kass is particularly good today:

he lie we were told as kids was this: The end of American liberty would come at the hands of the political right.

Conservatives would take away our right to speak our minds, and use the power of government to silence dissent. The right would intimidate our teachers and professors, and coerce the young.

And then, with the universities in thrall, with control of the apparatus of the state (and the education bureaucracy), the right would have dominion over a once-free people.

Some of us were taught this in school. Others, who couldn’t be bothered to read books, were fed a cartoon version of the diabolical conservative in endless movies and TV shows. The most entertaining of these were science fiction, sometimes with vague references to men in brown shirts and black boots goose-stepping in some future time.

Women would become handmaids, subjugated and turned into breeders. And men would be broken as well. The more lurid fantasies offered armies of Luddites in hooded robes, hunting down subversives for the greater good.

But the lie is obvious now, isn’t it?

Because it is not conservatives who coerced today’s young people or made them afraid of ideas that challenge them. Conservatives did not shame people into silence, or send thugs out on college campuses to beat down those who wanted to speak.

The left did all that.

It’s there in front of you, the thuggish mobs of the left killing free speech at American universities. The thugs call themselves antifas, for anti-fascists.

They beat people up and break things and set fires and intimidate. These are not anti-fascists. These are fascists. This is what fascists do.

Neatly dovetailing with Kass’s assessment, as well as lending credence, one only has to look at Big Media’s hysterical reaction to the op-ed written by newly-hired New York Times columnist, Brett Stephens, who had the temerity to suggest caution on climate change:

Claiming total certainty about the science traduces the spirit of science and creates openings for doubt whenever a climate claim proves wrong.

Demanding abrupt and expensive changes in public policy raises fair questions about ideological intentions. Censoriously asserting one’s moral superiority and treating skeptics as imbeciles and deplorables wins few converts. None of this is to deny climate change or the possible severity of its consequences. But ordinary citizens also have a right to be skeptical of an overweening scientism…. Perhaps if there had been less certitude and more second-guessing in Clinton’s campaign, she’d be president. Perhaps if there were less certitude about our climate future, more Americans would be interested in having a reasoned conversation about it.

As a result of such heresy, liberals are canceling their subscriptions to The New York Times in mass numbers. All because an individual’s views fulfilled the very mission statement of the media outlet:

Only by having a staff as wide as it is deep, broad in perspective, backgrounds and experiences are we able to capture the multitude of voices of America and the world, with true fidelity.

The insidious closed-minded screams of the left deafen on a daily basis.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

156 Responses to “Conservatives Did Not Shame People Into Silence, The Left Did That”

  1. Fear is an ugly look and the left wears it in spades.

    Dana (023079)

  2. what i like about carbon dioxide is there’s so many ways you can gratuitously release a metric poop-ton of it just for giggles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. What can Brown(shirts) do for you?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  4. Yet they keep allowing them to call themselves “Antifa”. Talk about Orwellian. Blah Blah may not be so far off as some think. If these types win the next election will WE have free speech at all? Or any other rights not approved by “Antifa”?

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  5. They still believe the 2016 election was stolen from them and that with their base now energized, 2018 and 2020 will be the years they take back the country. Based on that, they see no need to compromise even with someone who was hard-core NeverTrump over the past two years, like Brett Stephens.

    It will take election losses in 2018 and 2020 before they even consider faking listening to opposing viewpoints.

    John (7c7af7)

  6. Mr. Bret actually only takes the one t you guys

    it’s just his thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. Antifa is a conspiracy to use violence and the threat of violence to suppress First Amendment expression. Antifa makes no secret about that: it openly describes that it will use violence to deter people with wrongthink opinions from public demonstrations. Using violence to suppress first amendment activity is a violation of California civil rights statutes including the Bane Act and the Ralph Act.

    Every person who masks up to attend an Antifa “counter-demonstration” (read: lynch mob) is a co-conspirator. Even if they don’t personally throw rocks, bricks, and M80 explosives, and even if they aren’t personally swinging fists and sticks, they are knowingly and intentionally forming a mob to give cover to people who are directly carrying out violence. So every member of the crowd is violating civil rights statutes. Every member of the Antifa crowd deserved to be beaten in the street like the scum that they are. I’m glad that some of them were beaten.

    When people conspire to use deadly force to prevent protected first amendment activity, that violates their affirmative right under the California Constitution, Article I to free expression. (The California Constitution provides an AFFIRMATIVE right, not just a statement that Congress Shall Make No Law abridging the freedom)

    People have a right to peacefully counter-demonstrate speech with which they disagree (to express contradictory ideas and/or to express approval/disapproval with some other demonstration). But they have no right to use violence or the threat of violence to suppress speech with which they disagree. The use of force to defend people engaged in free expression (including self-defense and defense of others) is not only lawful, it is righteous. It is a good thing when Antifa is beaten in the streets like the scum that they are.

    Antifa had no right to display anarcho-communist flags on the streets of Berkeley on April 15, because the anarcho-communist flags were used to incite the imminent unlawful use of deadly force against conservatives for engaging in lawful First Amendment activity. The conservatives in Berkeley were right to break through Antifa ranks and seize the anarcho-communist flags from the physically-weaker Bolshevik scum. No law prohibited that socially-useful application of violence.

    The City of Berkeley intentionally withheld police protection from the conservatives because it wanted to allow Antifa to intimidate them into silence, or failing that, to allow Antifa to beat them into submission. Mayor Arreguin made statements on Twitter approving of the use of violence to prevent Milo from speaking and he’s a member of the By Any Means Necessary terrorist group’s Facebook page. That makes the entire City, including the Mayor and Chief of Police, as co-conspirators to deny civil rights to conservatives in and around Berkeley.

    The decision to withhold police protection created a dangerous situation where Antifa was permitted to throw rocks and explosives at conservatives (assault and battery), and pepper spray them, and pull them into crowds so the physically-weaker Antifa scum could stomp on the outnumbered, isolated conservatives (false imprisonment). All of this violated the Bane Act and Ralph Act.

    Given the dangerous situation, and the illegal actions of Antifa, it was reasonable for conservatives to use violence to defend themselves. It’s called “self-defense” and it’s protected by, among other things, the First Amendment, Second Amendment, and the California Constitution, Article I. The City is further attempting to intimidate conservatives by arresting some of them for actions taken in self-defense and taken to vindicate their rights under Article I. The City even banned them, on April 15, from carrying SHIELDS, because it wanted Antifa to more easily be able to throw rocks and bricks at them. That is how depraved the City of Berkeley is.

    The dangerous situation disproportionately burdens the ability of marginalized communities to engage in free expression. Seniors, disabled, women, etc. are less able to speak because they are more vulnerable to being pepper sprayed, hit in the head, beaten, etc. than able-bodied, physically-fit young- and middle-aged men, especially men with military training. Free speech belongs to ALL of us, not just able-bodied, physically-fit men with military training. Free speech belongs to people willing to put their bodies on the line to defend it–and it also belongs to people who won’t do that.

    Even if the City contends that it acted in good faith to try to create a lawful, viewpoint-neutral policy that balanced various interests (which I do not believe for one second: Mayor Arreguin is on the BAMN facebook group), the City’s policy of withholding police protection impermissibly puts an undue burden on the exercise of free expression rights by seniors, disabled, women, etc. and by journalists to document the City’s illegal actions. The City CANNOT simply allow armed groups to “fight it out” in the streets to see who gets to have the right of free expression–that is a false kind of neutrality. It is not viewpoint-neutral because it permits whichever group has more muscle to speak. And the City definitely cannot put its thumb on the scale by disarming conservatives while allowing Antifa to bring weapons (after both sides were disarmed, the conservatives were surrounded by Antifa, who brought in more people carrying weapons, and the City did not make an effort to disarm these additional people–allowing Antifa but not conservatives to have weapons). That is even worse than a false neutrality.

    A similar policy by the City and County of Los Angeles would likewise be illegal for the same reason. I hope attorneys who work for the City/County have provided appropriate memoranda about the illegality of a policy that permits terrorists to use deadly force against people because of their political views. I hope the prosecutor’s office is prepared to prosecute City/County officials who conspire with terrorists to suppress free expression by Angelenos. Likewise I hope no one in the prosector’s office is going to violate the civil rights of Angelenos by prosecuting them for lawful actions in defense of Constitutional rights.

    Tell me where I’m wrong about the law.

    Tell me why we should not celebrate the brave men who put their bodies on the line to vindicate our rights as equal citizens in the face of terrorism by Antifa and the City of Berkeley. At least one of them was sliced open with a knife and others were hit in the head with a heavy metal bike lock.

    Tell me why we should not celebrate the use of violence in self-defense and to vindicate Constitutional rights. If leftists support the use of violence to suppress our civil rights, then leftists SHOULD be beaten in the street with sticks.

    Tell me why Kyle Chapman is not a hero.

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  8. Kyle Chapman isn’t a hero cause he hits people with sticks and you’re not supposed to hit people with sticks

    which isn’t to say he’s a bad person

    just not a hero, at least not yet

    the way we throw this word hero around it’s really kinda taking a beating

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. The msfm has been identifying mainstream democrats as the far left.
    Perfect. At some point moderate dems will say WTF.

    mg (31009b)

  10. That’s what happens when you go after the left’s two religions:

    1) statist government

    2) Gaia worship

    NJRob (c94106)

  11. Daryl, you’re on-track with your outrage over government officials’ overt and covert support for the intolerant left’s violent fascism.

    President Trump will surely take note and act accordingly.

    However, as an ‘aside’ I suspect it’s difficult to tell you much of anything.

    ropelight (7fe6df)

  12. I had to Google Kyle Chapman. You’ve got to be f***ing kidding me! What is the platform of New Zealand white nationalists, anyway? Only molest white sheep?

    nk (dbc370)

  13. nk: “I had to Google Kyle Chapman. You’ve got to be f***ing kidding me! What is the platform of New Zealand white nationalists, anyway?”

    That’s a different Kyle Chapman. Wikipedia even says so.

    He has a common name and I’m sure Antifa is spreading misinfo about him.

    On Youtube you can watch Mr. Chapman speak in Berkeley about rejecting racial identity politics

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  14. What is the platform of New Zealand white nationalists, anyway? Only molest white sheep?

    Their platform is that New Zealand is a white country and they don’t want third word trash to immigrate there. Nothing I read mentioned any sheep.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  15. Sorry. Anybody who beats hippies with a stick (but not too hard) can’t be all bad.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. Here is a photograph of Kyle Chapman (Based Stickman) – in the Texas hoodie next to Mr. McInnes. You can see he does not look like a goat-molesting white nationalist. His crew is as diverse as any mainstream Republican group.

    https://twitter.com/JamesPoyb/status/857931973527994371

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  17. Their platform is that New Zealand is a white country and they don’t want third word trash to immigrate there.

    The Maoris are white? How long has this criminal-descended Anglo trash been there? Barely over 200 years. Chapman (the New Zealand one) should go back to where he came from.

    nk (dbc370)

  18. speaking of tatted up trash

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. I hope Los Angeles tomorrow will enforce the laws in an appropriate manner to enable Mr. Chapman, Proud Boys, Latinos for Trump, and any other conservatives who want to speak freely to peacefully counter-demonstrate on May Day. Which is their right. (Since when did liberals discover that they were against counter-demonstrations? That’s half of what they do given that they don’t do anything constructive)

    But if not–if Mayor Garcetti intends to use Antifa as muscle to silence conservatives in violation of the Bane Act and the Ralph Act–then I hope the conservatives metaphorically cuckhold Mr. Garcetti by beating the snot out of his Antifa terrorists. Because if they don’t succeed in self-defense, one or more conservatives are going to be murdered in the street. We will be officially second-class citizens.

    Our freedom is on the line tomorrow, and some brave men and women are going to put their bodies on the line to defend our freedom. I’m not going to look down my nose at them.

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  20. i’m not feeling it Mr. Herbert

    maybe we could start by repealing obamacare and do the hitting people with sticks thing later

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. Economical. You only have to do it once. Warpaint you’ve got to be renewing all the time plus it leaves a terrible mess on your pillow.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. warpaint or maybe it’s more like what happens when you leave a two year old in a room with some permanent markers

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. They also eat people. The Polynesians.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. ugh prionic disease is today’s leitmotif

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. Instead of burying them. That’s recycling to an extreme degree in my opinion.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. i just think it could make you poop funny

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. 22, bring those NZAC guys to Suffolk County, NY.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  28. I think they were bandying about some years was epistemic closure, an act of projection on their part

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. So two New Zealanders are eating a clown and one turns to the other and asks, “Does this taste funny to you?”

    nk (dbc370)

  30. warm prune juice

    mg (31009b)

  31. Not surprised, considering that the biggest tax (property) is its bread and butter, Catholicism (the system of next resort in most other states) was the oppressors’ faith, and places like Collin County would not want “demand” from Dallas County making a bee line for its “supply” of classrooms.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  32. that’s still sad though

    texas public schools aren’t something we really should be proud of

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. bonnie and clyde were texans

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  34. Tennessee put the kibosh on vouchers when they were told they’d have to give them to Muslim schools too.

    My daughter opted, at the last minute, to go to the local public high school instead of the Catholic school. Her dance group just gave a recital. Three performances. I went to all three. Two of the numbers were a tap dance to the Batman theme and a kind of ballet with Japanese fans to Queen’s “Killer Queen”. I’d like to see a parochial school do that.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. If it’s Lane Tech, you know that alums with multiple degrees still make the room to put that on their resumes for professional full time positions. Supposedly that was the one HS that could away with its alums doing that.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  36. Apart from the images promoted by the film Dazed and Confused, you are probably right, Happyfeet. That does sound very Shelden Cooper of you, though.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  37. No, she’s in a suburban one. The one that has a zoo on its campus.

    I went to Lane Tech, 1971-1975. Not impressed. (Made me appreciate college more by contrast.) But I know that it impresses other people, so I tell them I went there.

    You know who was a Lane Tech grad? Herbert Haupt, one of the Nazi saboteurs of WWII tribunal infamy.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Hopefully it’s not like Busch Gardens in June, eewwww!

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  39. My daughter has 15 to 20 tattoos. And HF is trash.

    John Hitchcock (4eaa02)

  40. This is confusing: I believe science itself demands skepticism. Especially when holes have blown into alleged models evidencing a point of view as fact. Because, as we know, the science is anything but settled, which is what Stephens cautioned about… And if this weren’t a religion to the left, as are their many other boilerplate issues, a vigorous debate would ensue, and both sides would welcome the opportunity to publicly persuade and prove. The same would be true of any speaker coming to a college campus to discuss an unpopular POV. If one were solidly convinced of their POV, they would not only welcome an open and vigorous debate, they would encourage it, they would demand it. If convinced that one’s beliefs are right and good, then there would be nothing to lose, only to gain. That the left remains wed to their self-limiting orthodoxy and expects their tribe to do so too, is just a big giant red flag of warning. The right, of course, needs to push back, foster debate, and never be silent. Skepticism is always beneficial and a good starting point and means of staying focused on digging for truth. Therefore I want to see a huge push back, and push for debate, but I don’t want to see the right becoming like the left or the Antifa thugs. With the media consistently complicit with the left, it can only damage the right. Not to mention, distract from foundational principles and positions that we know work, and would benefit all Americans at all levels the economic ladder.

    Dana (023079)

  41. if god wanted us to be etch a sketches he woulda put dials on our chests instead of nipples

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. I like to go up to people who have Chinese ideogram tattoos, peer at the tattoo, and then ask the person quizzically: “Error translate server not found?”

    nk (dbc370)

  43. Dana, I’d like to distinguish between the Bret Stephens situation and Berkeley. The NYT readers cancelling their subscriptions is fine. Like DCSCA says, people don’t want to be informed they want to be entertained, and if Stephens is not entertaining NYT’s readers they have the same right not top pay for the NYT as I do not to pay for Star Wars VII.

    Berkeley is a violation of civil rights which are protected by the Constitution since Berkeley is a public university. Moreover, not only the Berkeley administration, but also the Berkeley mayor and police and even Governor Brown have refused to protect the unpopular speakers. There, I would like to see the federal government use the full force of the Civil Rights Acts and the Anti-Ku Klan Acts (really) against the protesters. To put some of the ANSWER and BLM thugs in prison and give their victims an easier avenue to sue the university, the city and the state for damages.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. One of the top rated comments at the Times.

    Susan Fitzwater Ambler, PA 2 days ago
    From a scientist with a lot of experience in dealing with noisy data:

    People who emphasize the uncertainties in the conclusions about climate change rarely acknowledge that the uncertainties are decreasing. We are getting better quality data, and more of it. Of course, that may change if the Trumpists get their way.

    The first question, the main question, the only question, with regard to AGW is now and has always been “How hot is it going to get?” They call this the climate sensitivity to a doubling of co2.
    That’s the question they spend a lot of money on. Papers written every couple months with a new estimate.

    According to the AR4 report, the “likely equilibrium range of sensitivity” was 2.0 to 4.5°C per CO2 doubling. According to the newer AR5 report, it is 1.5 to 4.5°C, i.e., the likely equilibrium sensitivity is now known less accurately.

    Further, 1.5 to 4.5°C is the exact same guess at climate sensitivity to co2 that was published back in 1979 in the Charney Report on Carbon Dioxide and Climate [pdf]

    That’s 38 years of money spent on AGW ~~~~ total waste.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  45. But the instinct to side with and protect the group you belong to, regardless of whether it’s right or wrong in the situation at hand, is strong across all people.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. It’s happening in Berkeley, it’s happening in Portland (where the masked mobs are telling the police who is allowed to march in a parade and who isn’t), it’s happening at Claremont College (all sorts of idiocy including warning white women which earrings are disallowed “or else!”). Where will it stop?

    The funniest thing of all is that these nitwits could be stopped immediately if just a few political and/or Hollywood liberals decided to defend the Constitution and walk in to one of these places with Charles Murray or Ann Coulter…. or march with Republicans in Portland…….you know, kind of like Charlton Heston marching with MLK because it was the right thing to do.

    This puts the lie to everything they spout about tolerance and equality.

    All Lives Matter!

    Awesome post Dana, bravo.

    harkin (a76a32)

  47. As to Brett Stephens, I’ve asked repeatedly on alarmists sites to quote the part of his column which was the biggest lie or the most offensive……they refuse to reply other than with ad hominem and invective. The man actually wrote a column agreeing that the earth was warming (it’s been warming since the end of the most recent ice age with sporadic cooling phases – you know, climate change), that man is a factor in the warming, but cautioning that truth must prevail over hysteria to get the message out and they respond with….hysteria.

    This is a watershed moment for the New York Times. Will they cave in or will they practice journalism?

    Judging by their recent declaration that with Trump rules and objectivity no longer apply and their even more recent opinion piece endorsing the heckler’s veto on college campuses, the outlook is not good.

    But stranger things can happen and there might actually be someone on the Times staff who realizes they could be next……..

    harkin (a76a32)

  48. Stephens is high heresy, it’s not anything as mundane as politics, skydragons, zomelives matter, the predominant preference for SalAfi are practically sacramental.

    narciso (87e143)

  49. Nk,

    I certainly agree with differences you’ve demonstrated between Berkley thugs and climate alarmists. What I was trying get at is that both mindsets draw from the same well of strident and severe religiosity and authoritarianism. Therefore any who deviate from the standards they deem as acceptable are heretics.

    Dana (023079)

  50. Sacred cows.

    nk (dbc370)

  51. They claimed to be against them in the ’60s and ’70s but they just didn’t like ours. They wanted to elevate theirs.

    nk (dbc370)

  52. I thought Hestons turn was more of a slow boil. Supposedly his journey began when he saw a 1964 campaign billboard with Barry Goldwater’s image and the message “deep down you know he’s right”. He still supported LBJ and Humphrey, but was already deminstrating his 2nd Am. bonafides by then. Wasn’t really full conservative until the respective 76 and 80 Reagan campaigns.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  53. “But the instinct to side with and protect the group you belong to, regardless of whether it’s right or wrong in the situation at hand, is strong across all people.”

    True enough, but the decision to willfully take away livelihoods, ostracize and destroy all who don’t adhere to a certain belief is not. It is a peculiarly left-wing phenomena.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  54. They listen to Al Gore and heckle Freeman Dyson, and call it Science.

    Dyson’s opinions on climate change are well-stated here:

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/12/03/freeman-dyson-misunderstandings-questionable-beliefs-mar-paris-climate-talks/vG3oBrbmcZlv2m22DTNjMP/story.html

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  55. Heston was a conservative Democrat (they actually had them in those days) when he demonstrated at segregated lunch counters in Oklahoma and later marched in the south, but he was still a conservative who many southern Democrats condemned for meddling.

    He was also an avid hunter and shooter since childhood. As with many other Americans, his knowledge of firearms helped him discern when liberals spoke out their backsides regarding firearms and the 2nd Amendment.

    It was the Democratic Party that left Chuck, not the other way around.

    When he died and liberal Hollywood was dancing and spitting on his grave, there was still a small memorial vigil in Los Angeles at the corner of Martin Luther King Jr Blvd and Crenshaw. Some of the folks in that neighborhood remembered.

    harkin (a76a32)

  56. The NYT editor responds with reason to the complaints about Stephen’s heresy:

    If all of our columnists and all of our contributors and all of our editorials agreed all of the time, we wouldn’t be promoting the free exchange of ideas, and we wouldn’t be serving our readers very well.

    The crux of the matter here is whether the questions Bret’s raising and the positions he’s taking are outside the bounds of reasonable discussion. I don’t think a fair reading of his column remotely supports that conclusion — quite the opposite, actually. He’s capturing and contributing to a vitally important debate, and engaging that debate directly helps each of us clarify what we think. We’re already getting some spirited and constructive responses, and I’m looking forward to reflecting those views in our pages, too.

    Dana (023079)

  57. I need to photoshop an Archer meme that reads “Do you want Freikorps? Because this is how you get Freikorps.”

    SPQR (a3a747)

  58. Michael Mann (of the famed and discredited Hockey Stick fame and oh yeah guy who has been caught lying numerous times (even in court filings) that he’s a Nobel Prize winner)):

    “The NYTimes hiring of a climate denier didn’t lead me to cancel subscription, Public Editors offensive response did.”

    To the CAGW crowd, asking for reason and a fair reading are offensive.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/28/a-detailed-review-of-the-book-a-disgrace-to-the-profession-by-mark-steyn/amp/

    harkin (a76a32)

  59. New Zealand Navy Accepts Moko Tattoo

    charming

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2017 @ 4:43 pm

    You haven’t played Rugby unless you’ve faced a Kiwi Haka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=1LMql6ctokU

    “New Zealand Army soldiers doing HAKA”

    I have played Rugby. A b##@@@ you should know. Willie Apiato.

    http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1342580892/399/7302399_600x400.jpg

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  60. Can’t say anything about the tattoo. None of my business.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  61. New Zealand’s “fearsome” military: A dagger poised at the heart of Antarctica.

    New Zealand declared itself a “nuclear-free zone” back in the ’80s. I remember it well — it caused almost fifteen minutes of discussion on PBS. That included U.S. nuclear-powered ships and submarines within its 12-mile limit, as well as nuclear warheads. In response, the United States suspended our ANZUS obligations to it and it’s no longer under our defense umbrella.

    But what else would you expect from the descendants of pickpockets and prostitutes who were kicked out of England? It’s a good thing it has the Maoris to give it some semblance of manhood.

    nk (dbc370)

  62. Any Syrian refugees in New Zealand?

    mg (31009b)

  63. Likely not. They seem to have 50 from Saudi Arabia and a bunch of Somalis, and have been accepting a total of 750 refugees per year from around the world since the ’80s.

    They also don’t admit fat people. For real. They’re afraid they’ll eat all their girlfriends sheep.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. Laugh if you want. I’ve seen these guys train. Also Australian SAS. It’s frightening..

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  65. corrupt fbi piggy boi james comey lied to congress about the sleazy dossier Meghan’s coward daddy gave him that he used to justify illegal spying on trump

    ugh so third whirl

    so trashy

    so fbi

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. haka looks a lot like those filipino prisoners doing thriller in maniller

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. How many meters on the bottom of an Olympic swimming pool can you walk while carrying a 45lb plate on your back? It never occurred to me. It’s what they do for fun.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  68. i can’t hold my breath real good cause of i did smoking for so long

    :(

    it was a lot better when i was hiking a lot but chicago isn’t very hikey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. I suspect that a lot of the transgenders cut their weewees off because they feel inadequate as men and will have an easier time of time of it competing with the world in the “women’s category”. Generally, and not only in sports.

    nk (dbc370)

  70. If the world were as it should be, the post-op trannies would be competing in the Special Olympics for the physically disabled, classified the way other amputees are.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. Having leaving skin in the game…

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  72. Ohmigosh, did I write “trannies”? There goes any chance I had of being a professor.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. TDS

    mg (31009b)

  74. ugh trannies should have their own special categories

    and restaurants

    and schools

    and hospitals

    and churches

    and supermarkets

    and public transportation systems

    and movie theaters

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. In their own town. New Transylvania?

    nk (dbc370)

  76. very good idea

    there’s a place for them

    somewhere a place for them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. 7. Daryl Herbert (7be116) — 4/30/2017 @ 2:52 pm

    The City of Berkeley intentionally withheld police protection from the conservatives because it wanted to allow Antifa to intimidate them into silence, or failing that, to allow Antifa to beat them into submission. Mayor Arreguin made statements on Twitter approving of the use of violence to prevent Milo from speaking and he’s a member of the By Any Means Necessary terrorist group’s Facebook page….The City even banned them, on April 15, from carrying SHIELDS, because it wanted Antifa to more easily be able to throw rocks and bricks at them. That is how depraved the City of Berkeley is.

    If it’s like that, the city itself is violating their civil rights, and they should be sued, and DOJ should launch an investigation (although it is hard to see the civil servannts doing that)

    There might, however, be some way of putting pressure on their supporters.

    And demonstrations against the city government of Berkeley.

    Of course there should be a boycott of Berkeley, if you are going to imitate their tactics, and a boycott of those people who don’t boycott erkeley. Anyway, just in self defense people have to avoid Berkeley.

    Tell me why we should not celebrate the use of violence in self-defense and to vindicate Constitutional rights.

    Violence even in self-defense is not somethng to ceebrate, unless maybe you there’s a big war, in which case what you’re celebrating is not the violence, but the victory. We’re not at the stage where someone is ;osing a wat. By the way, I don’t think Lincoln called for a celebration at the end of the ivil wr. He had a different idea. With malice toward none.

    If leftists support the use of violence to suppress our civil rights, then leftists SHOULD be beaten in the street with sticks.

    You are in favor of beating people who are not necessarily committed to beating other people, or haven’t started. Isn’t ot better to de-escalate? If it’s possible.

    there wasn’t too big a celebration

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  78. 52. harkin (a76a32) — 4/30/2017 @ 7:37 pm

    As to Brett Stephens, I’ve asked repeatedly on alarmists sites to quote the part of his column which was the biggest lie or the most offensive……they refuse to reply other than with ad hominem and invective.

    Like most people against free speech, they want to shut him up because he’s right, not beceause he’s wrong. Their argument that he’s wrong is based on the vehemence and teh vitriolity of their objections. That’s their argument. If people are so much against him, he must be wrong, and/or his ideas very very dangerous.

    Of course when ideas really are very dangerous, nobody does this.

    This is a watershed moment for the New York Times.

    Only if they cave.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  79. I often use tranny in my daily conversation. Usually in reference to the Chrysler Torqueflight or the Chebby TH350. The Chrysler is plenty stout as it comes from the factory. The Chebby is like the six million dollar man. We can rebuild him stronger, faster, more humongous.

    Keep it cool, is the key.

    Never had a problem with a Ford M/T. And none of my Fords had A/Ts.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  80. I think Bret stephens actually pulled his punches, and he’s arguing on the wrong territory. The question is not whether or not there is some climate change due to human activity, the question is whether it makes any sense to do anything about it, (especially the proposed “remedy” of adding a little less carbon dioxide every year) and it doesn’t.

    It doesn’t because it is not doing any great harm, and may even be a net benefit; the effects of doing anything are both unpredictable and trivial if correct; the disruption to modern life of making even a small change in CO2 emissions are vast, and the proposed changes may also mostly only shift it around; mitigation and adjusting to the climate change is much easier, if you do any geo-engineering, there are better ways.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  81. OK, full disclosure, my first car was a ’68 Ranchero, 302 with a C4 A/T. I hot rodded the hell out of and had problems with everything but the tranny. After that that every Ford I’ve owned has had a manual transmission.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  82. #60 harkin

    charlton heston was a great guy
    91 year old olivia de havilland flew all the way from paris (where she still lives at age 100!) in order to attend his funeral

    and left wing moonbat oliver stone attended the funeral, too, because he had really liked the guy

    mr heston lived in one of the coolest mid century modern houses of all time
    https://la.curbed.com/2015/11/12/9900838/charlton-heston-house

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  83. if they’re offered an invitation to climb down from their ridiculous climate change hoax they really should think about taking it

    it’s only gonna get more and more harder for them to sustain the long con, and first movers will have a lot more credibility than dead-enders

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  84. 61 – Dana

    Your link to the NYT Public editor is actually a link to a hit piece on Stephens by WaPo’s Erick Wemple, where he quotes the PE.

    harkin (517285)

  85. in most corners of america, it has become considerably warmer than it was at the beginning of the year
    some people call that climate change
    but i like to refer to it as “the middle of spring”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  86. Off-Topic.

    RIP – Ueli Steck.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/30/europe/swiss-climber-death/

    He faced death all over the world…..it finally caught up with him.

    harkin (517285)

  87. He faced death all over the world…..it finally caught up with him.

    This is why Nature abhors a hero. How can it be “survival of the fittest” if the fittest keeps putting himself into situations where he is most likely going to be creamed?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  88. https://youtu.be/w_-_j1pjGY8?t=37s

    This guy revisits set locations for the original Heston Planet of the Apes 55 YEARS AFTER (2011)nputting himself into the scene.

    Most of the early scenes of a desert-like terrain were shot in northern Arizona near the Grand Canyon, the Colorado River, Lake Powell, Glen Canyon and other locations near Page, Arizona

    Most scenes of the ape village were filmed on the Fox Ranch in Malibu Creek State Park, northwest of Los Angeles.

    The concluding beach scenes were filmed on a stretch of California seacoast between Malibu and Oxnard with cliffs that towered 130 feet above the shore. Reaching the beach on foot was virtually impossible, so cast, crew, film equipment, and even horses had to be lowered in by helicopter.

    The remains of the Statue of Liberty were shot in a secluded cove on the far eastern end of Westward Beach, between Zuma Beach and Point Dume in Malibu.

    I’ve seen warmers use pictures of Lake Powell lake level as “evidence”, using the bathtub ring as an OMG we have to do something illustration of global warming you can see.
    Never mind Lake Powell water level is controlled by dam.
    In this video the lake level is obviously higher with direct comparison between 2011 and 1967.

    The human roundup scene while no longer featuring a corn field, (the corn was planted special for the movie) has panoramic views of the surrounding hills which are more lush with natural vegetation than the 1967 location.

    The sea shore scenes show little if any change at all. Where’s the beach erosion? The sea level is exactly the same as evidenced by key rock outcropping. After fifty years, because it’s cut off from easy foot traffic and development, nothing is changed. Familiar. Eerily untouched.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  89. “#TheResistance is not really resisting Trump as much as it is resisting us. The elite establishment is outraged that we normals have demanded to govern ourselves rather than begging for scraps from our betters in DC, NY and LA. It wasn’t just that horrible, sick old woman that we rejected; it was them. And by doing so, we ‘stole’ what they see as their birthright to reign sovereign over us. . . . This election was about the people they sought to rule looking at them and their track record of failure and saying, ‘Nah, you suck.’”

    “…#The Resistance is a mess. Now they’re reduced to fighting for supremacy in their final redoubt, the universities where their fascist intimidation and suppression of speech provides a glimpse of America as it would have been had Trump not been elected. That they are forced into a last-ditch effort to keep power in an institution where their control is total is proof positive of their weakness.”

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/05/01/100-days-of-theresistances-humiliating-failure-n2320453

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  90. 59. Kevin M (25bbee) — 4/30/2017 @ 8:34 pm

    They listen to Al Gore and heckle Freeman Dyson, and call it Science.

    Calling anything science, with a capital S is just a way of saying that the proposition that yoiu are propounding is truth, with a capital T and infallaible. Karl Marx called what he wrote science, and not because it was.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism

    Sorry, maybe it was Friedrich Engels.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  91. What “science” says changes, but there can be only received truth at a time.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  92. I don’t know what the big deal is. If you want to wear a dress, get yourself one of those Scottish rigs. Tots publicly acceptable. Conversation starter even. You can even do the blue William Wallace face paint, and go full bad a55, if the makeup is your thing.

    The Bruce Jenner thing, that’s guys trying to perpetrate a fraud. The bald dishonesty of the exercise is the thing I find objectionable. Not the dress wearing per se.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  93. From Peggy Noonan’s Trump Has Been Lucky in His Enemies:

    “Mr. Trump has struggled so colorfully the past three months, we’ve barely noticed his great good luck—that in that time the Democratic Party and the progressive left have been having a very public nervous breakdown.

    . . .

    “I thought Mr. Trump was supposed to be the loudmouth vulgarian who swears in public. They are aping what they profess to hate. They excoriated him for lowering the bar. Now look at them.

    “And they’re doing it because they have nothing else—not a plan, not a program, not a philosophy that can be uttered.”

    This is a wonderful time for American politics. The crazies are legion and they are putting on quite a show. The insanity emanating from the left, as well as other quarters, has left most of us shaking our heads. I had no idea what a tonic Donald Trump would be for our country. This national clown show reminds me of a line from I Claudius: “Let all the poison that lurks in the mud, hatch out.” And hatch-out they have. To anyone with their wits still about them, this is the mother of all “teachable moments.”

    It’s not just Trump who has been lucky. All of us share his good fortune in living through this collective nervous breakdown, our children especially. What better refutation of the political indoctrination they have received through our schools and media? How can they not question the authority they have been inculcated to revere when their attention-whoring betters act like this? I’m feeling more sanguine about our children’s future all the time.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  94. These lines sum things up perfectly:

    “They excoriated him for lowering the bar. Now look at them.”

    ThOR (c9324e)

  95. That about sums it up, Thor.

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  96. 70: No one makes fun of Australians. But NZ is pushing it.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  97. who wants to hear a sleazy gimp-ass p.o.s. like barack obama talk for an hour and a half

    they better serve drinks

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  98. “She is who she is. That’s the way the politics…and what the New Zealanders have decided. I can’t say much more than that. She is seen as female and that’s the way it is.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/90607448/Aussie-not-happy-after-transgender-weightlifter-Laurel-Hubbard-achieves-New-Zealand-sporting-first

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  99. #94 papertiger, i think the area of the Fox Ranch where they filmed Planets is also where they later filmed the opening segment to M*A*S*H (the tv show, not the movie)

    it’s amazing how right over the PCH are these wonderful rolling hills and meadows
    you would never otherwise guess that you’re just a hop, skip, and jump away from the pacific ocean
    very similar terrain to the Santa Ynez area north of Santa Barbara where reagan had his ranch

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  100. By coincidence in a discussion of Alinsky tactics…..

    Happy Victims Of Communism Day everyone!!!!!

    harkin (517285)

  101. thanks, comrade harkin.

    mg (31009b)

  102. puerto rico is, in many ways, a failure

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  103. Bret Stephens doesn’t make much of an argument in his inaufural column, and I think that’s part of the reason it got such a bad reaction. It’s not convincing, at all. He tried to deal gently with the New York Times readers and it doesn’t work. You can’t speak like Mr. Rogers. He should have written a column just like the columns he wrote for the Wall Street Journal. It shouldn’t have been like he expects people to be skeptical, and then tries to make an argument for uncertainty.

    He starts off with the mistake that the book “Shatered” says Hillary Clinton made in her campaign – being too certain she would win.

    [according to the excerpt in today’s New York Post, linked to by Colonel Haiku at 100 that error stemmed from assuming they could not affect who people wanted for president, but they could affect turnout, and they got Democratic turnout up in swing states – they didn’t bother in non-swing states like Wisconsin – and they assumed Donald Trump would get less than the regular Republican vote – they missed that some undecided would go for Trump but none would go for Hillary – the book doesn’t actually say all that last point.

    There’s a point in the excerpt that I think people can misunderstand. When Bill Clinton, after asking about returns in Florida, and being told especially about Pasco county, where people frm the midwest moved, and whose voting shouldreflect that in Ohio and other plaaces, told Terry McAuliffe not to go New York for the victory party, it wasn’t that he thought at that point they would lose, but he thought it would not be a clear victory early in the night. It was not going to be a clear victory for her at least until on the misddle of te next day. That was teh best case scenario for them]

    Anyway, Bret Stephens then segues into if the Hillary Clinton campaign can make a mistake when using data – and also Robert McNamara (Vietnam War) and Lehman Brotehrs – you can also make a mistake about climate change. He would have been better off quoting Benjamin Franklin. (I also think the comparison to the Clinton campaign’s erroors is also not good because the climate thing isn’t honest – it isn’t driven by honestly held hubris – while the Hillary Clinton campiagn really believed they would win.)

    What he has after that, is a general argument about mistakes, and then he cites something that a former New York Times reporter wrote about there being a windening gap between what the scientists are learning and what the advocates are claiming.

    But he cotes not one specific example of the advocates saying something wrong!!

    Just generalities about them being wrong. And about too much certainty being counterproductive to the public and against the spirit of science. (Real science maybe but not science with a capital S which is infallable, or otherwise they wouldn’t call it science.)

    This is no good. He’s not giving a single solitary example of getting anything wrong.

    The only thing he does is say they are right about two things: The 1.5 degree warming of the northern hemisphere since 1880, and the human influence on that. Well, that’s the whole ballgame to most of these people. He doesn’t point out what they’re missing. He doesn’t point that none of the climate models work.

    He doesn’t even say maybe only 50% of the warming was caused by what people did, or that you can’t even be sure what exactly caused it. Or that the year to year increment is very small and insignificant. And that it’s very bad to marry scientific error to public policy. and that asserting one’s moral superiority and treating skepptics as imbeciles wins very few converts (not so sure about that)

    He’s not saying anything, except that they could be wrong for unspecified reasons, and not in what way they might be wrong.

    Maybe he’s short on space, but this whole column is not good.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  104. The following is what he does say (but this is not saying anything.

    And that it’s very bad to marry scientific error to public policy. and that asserting one’s moral superiority and treating skepptics as imbeciles wins very few converts (not so sure about that)

    Bret Stephens never says anything more than his apology for disagreeing.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  105. Ahhh yes, communisms big day. It’s like Christmas for atheist murderers. They’re celebrating in North Korea by roasting a picture of a turkey. (with a side of kim-chee).

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zDy-VgniIrs/WQaCVOyc1qI/AAAAAAABI54/L5EH8I3DxfQwdi4HWkw8Lk9CkFR6TlJNQCLcB/s640/1ninetymiles2e0qj1w7rwwro1_250.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  106. this must be one of barack’s favorite weeks on the calendar

    today is commie day
    and in a few days, he’ll celebrate cinco de cuatro (sic)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  107. breaking news
    is bill shine out at fox news channel?
    the murdoch punks are getting rid of everyone named bill

    if i were bill hemmer, i’d go to court to get my first name legally changed to herbert or something

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  108. Bret Stephens say quite a lot in his column, Sammy. He basically says that the entire global warming argument has been hijacked by fanatics and EVEN IF IT IS TRUE, nobody trusts fanatics.

    He makes the same argument that Freeman Dyson made a couple years back: SCIENCE isn’t screaming and lawsuits, or who gets the headlines. It isn’t up for a vote. The people doing the worst damage to the idea of reducing global warming are NOT the skeptics, but the Inquisition-tactics of some supporters.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  109. “Teh Humidor… Teh Humidor… me… me…”

    — excerpt from the movie, “Epic Fail Prone”

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  110. leo dicaprio has to save the planet from carbon emissions by flying on chartered jets with his supermodel girlfriends all over the world

    and barack was recently doing his part to fight carbon emissions by cruising on the world’s most obnoxious yacht in the south pacific
    i understand that david geffen’s yacht is actually powered by sails and solar panels
    okay not really
    it has a ginormous combustible engine
    duh

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  111. 117 – Leo dicaprio has to save the planet from carbon emissions by flying on chartered jets with his supermodel girlfriends all over the world”

    Don’t forget the mega-yachts!

    And did poor lil Leo ever grasp the concept of Chinook winds?

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3358972

    harkin (207293)

  112. if i were bill hemmer, i’d go to court to get my first name legally changed to herbert or something

    Cruz Supporter I think you’d find Bill Hemmer more likely to change to Brenda Hemmer.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  113. #119 rev hoagie, what do you mean?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  114. If you post a review of “Before the Flood” , or maybe I should say if you post an honest review of “Before The Flood” Nat Geo DeCaprio or maybe one of their lawyers, or maybe it’s even organic to the YouTube people themselves, whatever, someone will make sure to have to have it dragged off.
    They’ll fire off a copywrite complaint or threat and the YouTube will dutifully withdraw your review.

    So this leaves only positive reviews. I wanted to see a negative review to save myself the time of watching Before the Flood. Life’s too short you know?
    There ain’t one.

    So due in part to my innate lazy I picked through what was to be had.
    Found this one. A guy’s video log of his weight loss where he mentions seeing the DiCaprio doc and it’s a life changing event for him. [YouTube]

    Not too satisfying for me really.
    So I broke down and watched “Before the Flood” for myself (it’s free for anyone except if you criticize). Check this out.

    You know how you have the option to upvote a comment, not here at Patterico, but at other websites? There’s an unspoken etiquette that it’s bad form to up vote your own comment. And that’s a cultural thing.

    Well I think what I discovered here by accident is a guy featured in Leo Di Caprio’s Before the Flood giving a glowing thumbs up video review of his own movie, breaking that social convention.

    Check out those two links and tell me if that ain’t the same dude. (they’re cued up at the proper spot)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  115. 115. Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/1/2017 @ 12:12 pm

    Bret Stephens say quite a lot in his column, Sammy. He basically says that the entire global warming argument has been hijacked by fanatics and EVEN IF IT IS TRUE, nobody trusts fanatics.

    No he doesn’t say it has been hijacked. He treats the attackers as reasonable, but mistaken. He calls them “scientists, politicians and activists” not fanatics, then quotes and links to (online) Andrew Revkin here:

    http://issues.org/32-2/my-climate-change/

    Who maybe is only disg\agreeing with hyperbole, like the kind that says we have only ten years till the point of no return – rfevkin is mostly writing about why people aren’t worried.

    Bret Stephens says “I can almost hear the heads exploding.” which implies sincerity.

    And he gets the whole quotation wrong.

    When someone is honestly 55 percent right, that’s very good and there’s no use wrangling. And if someone is 60 percent right, it’s wonderful, it’s great luck, and let him thank God.

    But what’s to be said about 75 percent right? Wise people say this is suspicious. Well, and what about 100 percent right? Whoever says he’s 100 percent right is a fanatic, a thug, and the worst kind of rascal.

    — An old Jew of Galicia

    At the end of the column I read this was actually said by what he calls the Polish poet Czeslaw Milosz, It turns out this was in a book called The Captive Mind published in 1953 by a Polish diplomat born in 1911, who defected in 1951 (and lived till 2004) and it was something of a classic about ideologies esopecially Stalinism because all had to beleive in it originally to gte to the positions they were in. I don’t know if theer actually was an old Jew of Galicia who said this first, but Bret Stephens gets this all wrong.

    It’s not someone being 100% certain about something that is ssupicious – you could be 100% certain about the fact Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980 and not before, or Einstein might be very confident about the theory of relativity, but someone claiming he is 100% rikght about everything! And Einstein was wrong about other things later even in physics.

    He makes the same argument that Freeman Dyson made a couple years back: SCIENCE isn’t screaming and lawsuits, or who gets the headlines. It isn’t up for a vote. The people doing the worst damage to the idea of reducing global warming are NOT the skeptics, but the Inquisition-tactics of some supporters.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  116. Trump and the republicans rolled and killed the Trump backers in this budget farce, just like Ted Kennedy rolling his Olds Delta 88 and leaving Mary-Jo inside to die.
    http://assets.thepoliticalinsider.com/content/uploads/2015/03/chappaquiddick.png

    mg (31009b)

  117. @88/@94

    Great stuff. Have a signed first edition of his memoirs in my library. Always amused that he was granted a top security clearance at the Pentagon simply to narrate internal videos/films for training and so forth.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  118. Did you see the one where he was battling the ants threatening to take over his rubber tree plantation? Can’t remember the name of it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  119. Interesting:

    As part of a crackdown on religious extremism, the Chinese government has declared that parents will no longer be allowed to give their children Muslim names. Names such as Muhammad, Jihad, Mecca, and Saddam are now prohibited – a step officials say was necessary to avoid “exaggerating religious fervor” in the country.

    Published under the sinister title of “Naming Rules for Ethnic Minorities”, the full list includes over two dozen banned names. News of the policy shocked Islamic faith leaders as well as advocates for religious freedom everywhere. In addition to Muslim names, beards and veils have also been banned in public.

    Chinese officials are standing by their decision, promising punishments for those who disobey. Anyone who refuses to comply with the new policy risks fines and reductions in essential services like education and healthcare.

    Notice how the Westerner who penned the report began with:”As part of a crackdown on religious extremism”? That’s a lie. Our little leftist Western journOlist knows full well all religion is illegal in China already. In reality it is a crackdown on Islam because recently there have been terrorist attacks perpetrated in China by moslems. Haven’t heard about that have you? That’s because the Chinese work to keep it quiet almost as hard as Western journOlists do.

    The Chinese already imprison people caught practicing ANY religion for ten years hard labor. The moslem name thing is due to terrorist. In China. Whooda thunk? I guess when you’re part of a cult of world domination you just can’t overlook China no matter how akin the commies are to Islam.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  120. Exactly hoagie there are underground churches, but nothing that is allowed in public profession.

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. No, Hoagie. There are five officially recognized religions in China: Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism and Protestantism. Orthodox churches are not officially recognized but there are Russian Orthodox churches in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong, and a Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Hong Kong.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. I would not call the Russian Orthodox church in Beijing underground. Or the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Hong Kong, either.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. May Day lecture at College halls across America:

    http://cdn.newsbusters.org/styles/front_list_image/s3/images/red-china.jpg?itok=Ox7bucPP

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  124. Names such as Muhammad, Jihad, Mecca, and Saddam are now prohibited

    Why does this article just mention these names?

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  125. I’m not going to go back and look, but if you search on the names you’ll learn that Chinese authorities have outlawed certain too overtly religious names for their Muslim minority, along with absurd beards.

    You read the Times, don’t you? Why aren’t you up to speed?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  126. That is correct nk. They are recognized. I am not going on about religious freedom in China.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  127. Why does this article just mention these names?

    Maybe because they are examples? Or maybe because he wasn’t sure if John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt was moslem.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  128. Yes its a little more nuanced

    http://www.cfr.org/china/religion-china/p16272

    The sectarian friction is tied with political ones in xinjiang

    narciso (d1f714)

  129. Patterico, just bought a laptop through your Amazon port. It was a repeat of the tablet purchase about 6 months ago. The process was much easier than buying direct from Amazon. Thanks.

    ropelight (7fe6df)

  130. But the pattern this country is for freedom of worship.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. Wouldn’t it be funny if he NYT went broke (or even had to lay off staff) because they offend a bunch of lefty snowflakes?

    Bike Lock Bob (5a4596)

  132. Stephens is not of the body, as kristol wasnt ultimately.

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. lard-ass piggy-butt Billy Long from Missouri

    he ran ads bragging he’d voted 56 times to repeal obamacare

    guess how the lying p.o.s. wants to vote now that it matters?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  134. You like in the corner office of bacon central

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. the same way there’s a santa claus tracker on the evening of december 24, there ought to be a barack tracker so the world can stay informed about his latest elitist vacation

    can’t wait to here how barack is enjoying private tennis lessons from venus williams at a five star resort in dubai where he’s meeting with international left wing leaders to discuss income inequality

    the irony writes itself
    or should i say
    bill ayers writes it

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  136. The destruction of the Republican Party over the next four years is something I look forward to although not without mixed feelings, the main one being regret that not even one of them is likely to be hanged from a lamppost.

    nk (dbc370)

  137. i feel sad how people don’t care about having integrity anymore

    piggy-butt Billy Long

    Meghan McCain’s loathsomely cowardly daddy

    corrupt fbi p.o.s. James Comey

    these people, their souls are degraded and filthy and devoid of the bedrock good character upon which integrity can flourish

    they have made of themselves a debasement

    they are foul

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  138. NK, has any eastern Orthodox church been desecrated by mistake by anyone mistaking it for a mosque? I’m thinking in the event I was drunk, knowing that in my corner of Lake County there is the Islamic Foundation mosque and St. Demetrious Greek Orthodox Church about 1/4 mile apart on OPlaine Rd South of the TriState Tollway.

    urbanleftbehind (ad2ea6)

  139. 143 – “the main one being regret that not even one of them is likely to be hanged from a lamppost.”

    Yep, it’s May Day.

    harkin (a76a32)

  140. Kind of interesting that some of the most fervent resistance to the Islamification of Europe is in the old Eastern Bloc where Christianity stayed strong even under communism and Soviet dominance while the dhimmitude prevails where Judeo-Christian values were given a back seat to multiculturalism.

    harkin (a76a32)

  141. They will go the way of whigs with more efforts Like today’s funding bill

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. Not that I know of, ulb. Have any mosques been desecrated in Illinois? There have been a handful of incidents in Trump country, but Illinois does not allow first cousins under the age of fifty to marry each other.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. There is also the experience with Ottoman hospitality, Greece may be an outlier.

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. There was also the Battle of Manzikert.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  145. But I can just see the Bubbas in Ft. Smith. They drive up to a Greek Orthodox Church thinking it’s a mosque and see the cross on top of the cupola: “Aw, man! The Klan’s already been here.”

    nk (dbc370)

  146. I left my program on the seat in an restaurant in Naples back in ’85.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  147. That would be Indiana’s speed, a state where the Serbs had to add an “h” to the standard “-ic” of their last names, but yet CAIR is headquartered comfortably just west of Indianapolis.

    urbanleftbehind (ad2ea6)

  148. The New York Times had an article about shaming people on Monday – shaming children into paying for their school lunches.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/well/family/lunch-shaming-children-parents-school-bills.html

    It also argues this includes people who are eligible for free lunches, but their parents aren’t so good at applying for things (that’s a skill, too), and there can be alanguage barrier, and some are sick, and and there are even some parents who are scared to apply for their children because of their illegal status.

    It says also there are families are which are struggling financially but don’t meet the income requirements,

    Sammy Finkelman (2b1acb)


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