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4/28/2017

Professor Under Attack Is Defended By William Jacobson

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:26 am

I can’t do it justice, but this post is worth your attention. A lot of people at my alma mater have been involved in a smear campaign against a conservative pro-free market professor — and Bill Jacobson is fighting back. I’ve seen this kind of thing happen to people I know and it heartens me to see pushback. Any support you can give this guy would be appreciated, I’m quite sure.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

250 Responses to “Professor Under Attack Is Defended By William Jacobson”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. wouldn’t letting grad students unionize be a great way to hasten the implosion of these sad failing institutions

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. No good deed goes unpunished, previously they had rabkin who went over to George mason.

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. Anything that 1) makes professors work more than three hours a week for six-figure salaries while all their grad students do all the work for the same rate as Chinese child labor and 2) breaks up the harem mentality that passes for mentoring in graduate programs is a good thing. But if the graduate students want equity, they should do equity. False smears make them less deserving of consideration.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Professor exercising free speech……violence.

    Seattle councilwoman calling for law-breaking……free speech, must be supported.

    http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wsp-captain-sawants-call-to-shut-down-highways-on-may-day-irresponsible/516511577
    =

    And oh yeah, they gave city employees May Day off (with pay!) and told them to protest Trump.

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/04/27/seattle-gives-city-workers-time-off-to-a

    harkin (517285)

  6. A tenured prof, chem dept head—not economics, history or political science– spills out a beaker full of his ivory-towered-solution of free-market blather and wonders why the mess warrants a clean up.

    “I didn’t like being someone else.” – Professor Julius Kelp/Buddy Love [Jerry Lewis] ‘The Nutty Professor’ 1963

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. 6 – so pure.

    Condemn the man exercising free speech, not those who attempted to smear him.

    harkin (a76a32)

  8. Quite a thing… and good for Prof. Jacobson.

    And DCSCA, my friend, you need to extract your head from that dank, dark, aromatic location and wake the EFF up.

    Colonel Haiku (74754c)

  9. Sour grapes from strawberry boy.

    DCSCA must feel particular sting from being done by an honest chemist.

    Don’t think of it as defeat of defacto minimum wage. Think of it as full employment for teacher’s aides. :)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  10. I saw a thing on government intervention in the economy by Thomas Sowell that sort of applies to this situation.

    Worst President Ever [YouTube]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  11. @8Tenured chem prof spouts free market blather. That’s the eye opener, Haiku. Blink and see.

    @9. An ‘honest chemist’… Free market rules: the only black guy on ‘Breaking Bad’ sold fried chicken and meth. Tuck in that shirttail.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. meth people don’t even eat fried chicken

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. Meth people don’t have teeth. Instead of chewing. they do a lot of shirt tail tucking and blinking.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  14. be cool stay in school

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. 11. Speaking of honest chemists near elite campuses (University of Chicago):
    http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170427/hyde-park/zachary-padove-hazmat-home-brewing-death-distillery

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  16. @13. Swabbos.

    “Navy man.” – Frank Borman, audio loop after Jim Lovell accidentally discharged a CO2 cartridge inflating his life preserver aboard Apollo 8 enroute to the moon – 1968.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. oh sh–, someone took another errant champagne cork…real cool, DC :(

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  18. 11. Speaking of honest chemists near elite campuses (University of Chicago):
    http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170427/hyde-park/zachary-padove-hazmat-home-brewing-death-distillery

    urbanleftbehind

    If he were nearby I’d dress up as the Grim Reaper and crash the funeral.
    Sounds like the kind who would appreciate the effort.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  19. Obligatory Pantera, pre-Black Album Metallica or Megadeth as the background music?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  20. Look at DCSCA’s garbage on this thread and remember, many of you sided against Conservatives and with him during Primary season.

    John Hitchcock (4eaa02)

  21. @20. Other way ’round. Hitch. But backazzwards has been the mindset of the conservative ideologue since 1776.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  22. 21 DCSCA – “…..backazzwards has been the mindset of the conservative ideologue since 1776.”

    The Democrats were spouting that line nine almost nine decades later when the Republicans freed their slaves.

    harkin (70fe68)

  23. The left will never stop. Only full submission to their Big Brother style of control.

    NJRob (5f6681)

  24. propaganda sluts have taken their profession to the very very bottom of public esteem and respect

    and these trash fascists at the universities, they’re gonna end up in the same place

    and people will say well you only have yourselves to blame

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. The Democrats were spouting that line nine almost nine decades later when the Republicans freed their slaves.

    harkin (70fe68) — 4/28/2017 @ 1:06 pm

    And yet, somehow, the Republicans are now the party of confederate apologists

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  26. it’s like when your sleazy fascist perverted mitt romney government threatens you with exorbitant fines for not buying crappy high-deductible health insurance you can’t afford to use

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath
    a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and
    arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join
    together at the latter day and cry all ‘We died at
    such a place;’ some swearing, some crying for a
    surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind
    them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their
    children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die
    well that die in a battle; for how can they
    charitably dispose of any thing, when blood is their
    argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it
    will be a black matter for the king that led them to
    it; whom to disobey were against all proportion of
    subjection.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  28. Which is to say Confederates in the Confederate Army were as much and more so enslaved by the same government that demanded they fight to preserve slavery.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  29. And yet, somehow, the Republicans are now the party of confederate apologists
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/28/2017 @ 1:40 pm

    Really? How so when it’s the Democrats who run the inner city ghettos as their alternative plantations to exploit blacks for votes? Now they want “sanctuary cities” so they can pump them full of illegals just in time for the next Census knowing that since representatives and electoral votes are based on number of people not number of citizens they can continue to steal elections.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ARjM1uolkgQ/WPY7RnSlooI/AAAAAAABg5Y/YAKzbqgBxH8GWqqP7gbEmsVjb9wefCUHgCLcB/s640/ebf66fcf7aff7ff64ebae06ecd798d4455ebb3cda9dcd2ab4142c17f99eea5e5.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  30. Didn’t matter that a majority wanted no part of slavery when the Democrat elites were it’s benefactors.

    Same situation we have here with the ACA.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  31. Really? How so when it’s the Democrats who run the inner city ghettos as their alternative plantations to exploit blacks for votes?

    Interesting that you think black people have no agency.

    Now they want “sanctuary cities” so they can pump them full of illegals just in time for the next Census knowing that since representatives and electoral votes are based on number of people not number of citizens they can continue to steal elections.

    Any effect of this is overwhelmed by the effects of republican gerrymandering.

    stupid image

    Actually I’m referring to the confederate flag flying white supremacists that infest the current Republican party.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  32. Didn’t matter that a majority wanted no part of slavery when the Democrat elites were it’s benefactors.

    Same situation we have here with the ACA.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/28/2017 @ 1:59 pm

    [citation needed]

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  33. Interesting that you think black people have no agency.

    Are you meaning their Democrat exploiters?

    Gerrymandering was invented by Democrats. Or are you implying only Republicans use the tactic? Either way that is the typical disingenuousness of a Democrat.

    Actually I’m referring to the confederate flag flying white supremacists that infest the current Republican party.

    Nobody can stop anybody from “infesting” a party. In your case it’s black racists, moslem terrorists, communists, antifa Nazis and socialist baby killers who infest yours.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ibnt1PdvKjY/WQKhb5_U2FI/AAAAAAABI2Q/Tcvrk2mCNqEblKVwGmIWtOd8IVaZa77igCLcB/s1600/1%2B1ninetymileswlJWP1vqa6rso1_1280.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  34. Interesting that you think black people have no agency.

    Any effect of this is overwhelmed by the effects of republican gerrymandering.

    Actually I’m referring to the confederate flag flying white supremacists that infest the current Republican party.

    If you’re gonna play “[citation needed]” this game prepare for constant challenges.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1b7w-YzfmHo/WOSzlFKt1_I/AAAAAAABgg0/f2UkdELUHiEIjx9kPo2xdUQcZRCiOG_fACLcB/s1600/29G5Blb.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  35. john f kennedy was a nasty low-class pig-bigot just like his lowlife daddy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. Nobody can stop anybody from “infesting” a party.

    I’m glad we agree that confederates now consider themselves Republicans.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  37. i wish i was in the land of cotton old times there are not forgotten

    up here i keep getting corn bread served on me what has actual kernels of corn

    that’s so stupidly literal

    midwest people god love em

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. Nothing changes the fact that southerners who owned slaves and their children and grandchildren who terrorized blacks during Jim Crow days were all democrats.

    But if your best false equivalence is to compare those actions with flying a flag, so be it.

    That must mean all the rioters sporting hammers and sickles seek to murder millions of their own countrymen, right?

    harkin (a76a32)

  39. Here’s a vivid description of confederates.

    The South felt increasingly beleaguered as the North increased its criticism of slavery. Abolitionist societies sprang up, Northern publications demanded the immediate end of slavery, politicians waxed shrill about the immorality of human bondage, and overseas, the British parliament terminated slavery in the British West Indies. A prominent historian accurately noted that “by the late 1850’s most white Southerners viewed themselves as prisoners in their own country, condemned by what they saw as a hysterical abolition movement.”

    As Southerners became increasingly isolated, they reacted by becoming more strident in defending slavery. The institution was not just a necessary evil: it was a positive good, a practical and moral necessity. Controlling the slave population was a matter of concern for all Whites, whether they owned slaves or not. Curfews governed the movement of slaves at night, and vigilante committees patrolled the roads, dispensing summary justice to wayward slaves and whites suspected of harboring abolitionist views. Laws were passed against the dissemination of abolitionist literature, and the South increasingly resembled a police state. A prominent Charleston lawyer described the city’s citizens as living under a “reign of terror.”

    It that the South they’re describing, or Berkeley California? Hard to tell nowadays.

    Heard about any speech codes lately? Any stridency in political thought? Any news networks being boycotted for wrongthink?

    Here’s your link.
    http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/why-non-slaveholding.html?referrer=https://www.bing.com/

    papertiger (c8116c)

  40. …Actually I’m referring to the confederate flag flying white supremacists that infest the current Republican party.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/28/2017 @ 2:05 pm

    You mean like those “white supremacists” who would paint or fly the confederate flags from their tanks during WWII, who then went on to liberate concentration camps from the Nazis? The Sons of the South who helped liberate Buchenwald, Dachau, and Muttenwald were KKK? Is that what you’re saying?

    Or like this Marine hoisting the stars and bars during the Battle for Okinawa?

    http://www.ww2incolor.com/us-marines/PICT4908.html

    Anybody who knows older Okinawans know that the Marines and Army types who liberated them from the Japanese were extraordinarily grateful. Okinawan EPWs (who had been forced into service, just like the comfort women) were allowed to serve coffee to their families during visits. They’d fill the disposable coffee cups to just below the brim with sugar and then pour the thinnest of veneers of coffee over the top. The family members were allowed to leave at the end of the permissible visit with their coffee. They’d dry it in the sun and sell the sugar (a lot of sugar is grown in Okinawa now, but during the battle and in the immediate aftermath you couldn’t exactly farm due to the ordnance flying around or lying unexploded in the fields). The lucky Okinawans were those who had relatives incarcerated in American POW camps. They had a lifeline. The first thing many Okinawans would do when they were released for American POW camps would be apply for a job with US forces. And get them.

    A lot of them were Southerners, like that Marine raising the Confederate battle flag. They knew what was going on, and they allowed, even encouraged, it. Later many of them married Okinawan and Japanese women, although that was officially discouraged by both US and Japanese authorities. Are you now calling them racists?

    Anyone who buys into the idiocy about the confederate flag being a racist/white supremacist symbol because only one opinion, the leftist one, counts has opened the door to every kind of idiocy.

    Dave, you are the problem. I suppose you’re for tearing down monuments to Thomas Jefferson because he owned slaves. The man who wrote the Declaration of Independence must not be honored simply because he was a man of his times.

    You’re like a dragonfly. If you put the abdomen (the tail) of a dragonfly into its mouth it will start eating itself. Unlike you, Dave, I don’t do that. I am not a slave to the cultrural Marxist notion that because the men and women who shaped Western Civilization’s history weren’t 100% pure as the driven snow we have to tear it down.

    The Confederate flag is not a racist symbol. It was once, it had evolved into something else by at least the 1940s. The sons of the South who liberated liberated the concentration camps and the Ryukyus (and really the Japanese themselves) were not racists or “white supremaciststs.” That’s just a cultural Marxist myth that you are perpetuating.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  41. Leviticus was the Gospel preached at Southern non slave holders. With all the fervency of global warming believers.

    What’s in that book?

    Heck if I know.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  42. The so called free speech movement were attacks on bourgeous cinvebtions

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. papertiger (c8116c) — 4/28/2017 @ 1:52 pm

    I always enjoy a little Shakespear. Henry V is a good choice, thanks.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 4/28/2017 @ 1:55 pm

    I completely agree with your statement – and even if the passage from Henry V does not mean the same to me, as it does to you, I laud you nonetheless.

    felipe (023cc9)

  44. Who hasn’t wanted to give the rebel yell?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdphvuyaV_I

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  45. #41

    i’m super-glad that mr steve57 plays for our team
    he really took dragonfly dave to school

    hey dragonfly dave
    next time class is in session, you better show your appreciation to schoolmaster steve by leaving a shiny red apple on his desk

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  46. Steve57, One of the most interesting of whiskies I have ever tried was Rebel Yell.
    It never failed to cause, in me, an involuntary discharge of saliva. I called it the “drool whiskey.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  47. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 4/28/2017 @ 3:43 pm

    I second that, CS.

    felipe (023cc9)

  48. …next time class is in session, you better show your appreciation to schoolmaster steve by leaving a shiny red apple on his desk
    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 4/28/2017 @ 3:43 pm

    It’ll probably be poisoned.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  49. I’m glad we agree that confederates now consider themselves Republicans.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/28/2017 @ 3:02 pm

    I’m glad we agree Democrats now consider themselves communists. After all the entire Communist Party USA officially supported Hillary for president. Must make her a phukin commie by your logic of association. And they had the choice of Sanders who was openly a socialist but found Hillary more to their communist theory and liking. Now that’s saying something.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  50. I’m always thankful for Steve57’s comments. The man is a Patriot in the true sense of the word.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  51. It’s about TGIF!!! Aarrrrrggggggg! https://youtu.be/5P62YyApSKA

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. Thanks for that link, Colonel. I exclaimed, “look how young they are!” then I remembered hearing my parents saying such things about Eddie Cantor and others, Now I know how they felt. Feels good.

    felipe (023cc9)

  53. Saipan was the first island the Marines and the Navy encountered where there was a large civilian population. There were PAO outfits assigned the mission of getting the Japanese civilian population, at least, to surrender.

    These units didn’t get a lot of official support. Often they had to spend their own recreation funds on loudspeakers, and rely on Honolulu newspapers to print leaflets.

    The lack of support didn’t have anything to do with racism. The fighting forces simply didn’t believe you could get the Japanese to surrender.

    That changed when the Japanese civilians began to commit suicide en mass. Everyone, Navy and Marine, was horrified and disgusted. I realize the Marines had to deal with the brunt of it, but off “Suicide Cliff” naval vessels had to send divers over the side when the corpses befouled the screws.

    It affected all of them who witnessed it, for life. I invite Dave to Voxsplain me the racism that followed when the Marines, many from the South, lent their wholehearted support to mission of saving Japanese lives.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/sep/06/local/me-gabaldon6

    …The actions that earned Gabaldon the nickname “the Pied Piper of Saipan” took place in June 1944 on the 25-mile-long island in the Northern Marianas in the western Pacific Ocean. Marine Pvt. Gabaldon killed 33 Japanese soldiers on his first day of combat, he said. Later he changed tactics.

    …Disobeying orders, Gabaldon went behind enemy lines by himself looking for Japanese. He “daringly entered enemy caves, pillboxes, buildings and jungle brush, frequently in the face of hostile fire,” reads the citation that went along with his Navy Cross. The goal was to get the Japanese to surrender.

    US forces supported Guy Gabaldon, not at first, but soon. When it was obvious he was effective.

    …Schwabe said he nominated Gabaldon for a Medal of Honor, but the Marine never received it and instead was honored with a Silver Star. But his 1950s appearance on the television show “This Is Your Life” led to the making of “Hell to Eternity” and an upgrading of his medal to the Navy Cross…

    Again, I invite Dave to direct me to the white supremacy.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  54. Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 4/28/2017 @ 4:01 pm, I am but a shadow to you. And to my dad the sainted senior chief.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  55. The british labor party went on Such a Marxist jag in the 80s

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. white supremers remind me of dairy queen

    there’s one over kinda by the fountain on wabash but i never been

    but someday i’m a go

    and I’m a put paid to them white supremers and have me a hunger buster

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. I’m going to need to head Dave off at the pass.

    How many Silver Stars do you have? John Schwabe was Gabaldon’s CO on Saipan. It’s actually not really an insult if you get the Silver Star despite being recommend for the MoH. It’s still a heroism reward.

    Again, point me to “white supremacism.” Just not seeing it.

    Oh, and keep in mind it was the Marines and the Army types on Saipan receiving those EPWs. If you don’t know what that means, feel free to ask me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  58. @Dave, yeah, nice try. That’s not what I asked you. But it’s what I expected. You to try and change the subject.

    What I asked is, is an Army tanker who liberated Dachau or a Marine who liberated Okinawa while flying the Confederate flag a racist?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  59. nice find, Col

    mg (31009b)

  60. I’m always thankful for Steve57’s comments. The man is a Patriot in the true sense of the word.
    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 4/28/2017 @ 4:01 pm

    I don’t mean this to imply any credit to me. I learned a lot from my WWII era dad. I learned a lot from Vietnam era vets like you. To the degree that information is passed along, the country is safer.

    I am nothing but a mailman.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  61. What I asked is, is an Army tanker who liberated Dachau or a Marine who liberated Okinawa while flying the Confederate flag a racist?

    It’s entirely possible that they were victims of Lost Cause propaganda. Modern Confederates have no such excuse.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  62. They were winning, Dave. From Dachau to Okinawa.

    Try again. Try to be sane. If possible.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  63. “Even as the nation celebrates the passage of the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, some liberals are using the occasion to bash Republicans as inheriting the legacy of Jim Crow — ignoring the fact that a higher percentage of Republicans in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act than did Democrats. President Obama recently accused the GOP of waging an all-out assault on voting rights. Speaking to a group founded by Al Sharpton, that non-paragon of racial healing, Obama claimed: “The stark simple truth is this: The right to vote is threatened today. . . . This recent effort to restrict the vote has not been led by both parties. It’s been led by the Republican party.” Leaving aside the fact that clear majorities of both African Americans and Hispanics support voter integrity measures such as showing voter ID at the polls, Obama is using incendiary rhetoric in an area where reasonable people can disagree. The American Civil Rights Union, a conservative group that has filed suit in favor of voter-integrity measures, has had enough of such tactics. Its leaders include former attorney general Ed Meese and former Ohio secretary of state Ken Blackwell. ACRU has just published a booklet on the real history of Jim Crow. Available for free at TheTruthAboutJimCrow.org, it sets the record straight on a hidden racial past that many Democrats would rather see swept under the carpet. While Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” is constantly referenced in the media as a tool to attract white voters, less well remembered are Woodrow Wilson’s segregation of the entire federal civil service; FDR’s appointment of a member of the KKK to the Supreme Court; John F. Kennedy’s apathy toward civil-rights legislation; and the rise of Robert Byrd, a former member of the KKK, to the post of Democratic leader in the Senate in the 1980s. Is it fair to remind people of the awful historical antecedents that can lurk within a political party? The study quotes author Bruce Bartlett as asking, “If the Republican party is to bear responsibility for Joe McCarthy through all time, why doesn’t the Democratic party have to bear responsibility for a century of racist leaders?” The majority of the ACRU study focuses on the horror of Jim Crow, which at its core was a system of state-enforced laws that relegated blacks to inferior status. When police enforcement wasn’t enough, lynchings were used to keep Jim Crow in place. At least 3,500 blacks were lynched during the Jim Crow years, and people were murdered right up through the mid 1960s. But the political enforcement of Jim Crow was entirely in Democratic hands. The Ku Klux Klan functioned as the paramilitary wing of the Democratic party, and it was used to drive Republicans out of the South after the Civil War. Before he took up the cause of civil rights as president, Lyndon Johnson acting as Senate majority leader blocked the GOP’s 1956 civil-rights bill, and gutted Eisenhower’s 1957 Civil Rights Act. Democratic senators filibustered the GOP’s 1960 Civil Rights Act. Of course, scoring historical points shouldn’t take front place in today’s civil-rights efforts. Conservative efforts to reach out to African Americans must begin with appreciation and recognition of African Americans’ history of subordination and oppression.”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/383357/setting-record-straight-jim-crow-john-fund

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  64. It’s entirely possible that they were victims of Lost Cause propaganda.

    It’s really, really hard for me to buy into your BS given I actually know something about history.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  65. It’s really, really hard for me to buy into your BS given I actually know something about history.

    I don’t understand why you guys keep bringing up stuff from 50-100 years ago. I’m talking about people, right now, who display and defend the confederate flag. Modern Republicans would vote against the civil rights act. Modern confederates are republicans.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  66. It’s entirely possible that they were victims of Lost Cause propaganda. Modern Confederates have no such excuse.

    Dave, the very idea that you would consider a US Marine liberating Okinawa a “victim” of anything is indicative of your leftist mindset. Everybody’s a victim except when they’re not. Or when they’re white. Then they’re racist.

    What on earth is a “modern Confederate”?

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  67. Modern Republicans would vote against the civil rights act. Modern confederates are republicans.

    Citation? I’m a modern Republican and I wouldn’t vote against the Civil Rights Act. In case you don’t know in 1966-67 my sister and I marched for Civil Rights in the South through our church. That’s before your time Dave. We met hundreds of Democrats then too. With hoses and dogs.

    I don’t know where you get your inside scoop on who modern Republicans would vote for but you better find someone more reliable.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  68. Svengali Dave is a cesspool of knowledge

    mg (31009b)

  69. 🦑 tastic!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. Dave, are you trying to put forward that mythological idea that at some unknown time the Democrats became champions of the blacks and the Republicans suddenly became racist? I have heard that silly nonsense before but somehow I don’t know one single Republican that got the memo. They must have “switched sides” somewhere between the Emancipation Proclamation and Jim Crow.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  71. dragonfly dave’s still angry at allan west

    arent’cha, dave?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  72. I don’t understand why you guys keep bringing up stuff from 50-100 years ago…

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/28/2017 @ 5:23 pm

    Uhh, the intervening s*** is something called “history.” Keep demonstrating you are a freaking pathetic intellectual lightweight. I don’t mind.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  73. 🦑 Squidtastic 🐙

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. I’ve been through this, Dave. Maybe you’re not old enough to remember the Tailhook “scandal” of the early ’90s.

    It was popular, i.e. career enhancing, to condemn the “misogynist culture” of Naval aviation.

    I bucked the tide. I was intel. I served with aviators. They weren’t rapists and no force on earth could get me to say they were.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  75. If you’re guilty, take NJP. If you’re innocent, take it to court martial.

    Lesson learned from Tailhook.

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1994-01-29/news/9401290094_1_gregory-e-tritt-tailhook-misconduct-tailhook-case

    Judge’s Ruling Helps Tailhook Defendant

    http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-19/news/mn-3596_1_tailhook-scandal

    Prosecutors Strike Out With Tailhook Scandal : Military: As cases wind down, no one has been court-martialed. Most face only fines, reprimands.

    Any questions?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  76. That flotilla is the gift that keeps on giving:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39741590

    narciso (54b108)

  77. dragonfly dave, let’s discuss the anti-semitism which is so rampant among “the modern democrat party”
    we’ll allow you to make the opening volley

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  78. We can test the theory.

    “Black unemployment rates were lower than those of whites… [as long ago as] 1890.”
    Intellectuals and Society – Thomas Sowell

    People who were actually affected by the subordination and suppression of slavery in their own lifetime, were better off, more integrated, had more nuclear two parent families, than blacks do today after 50 years of the liberal welfare state.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  79. What is striking is u6 is back to December 1988 levels, ponder that notion

    narciso (54b108)

  80. Modern Republicans would vote against the civil rights act.

    We can only hope modern Republicans would vote against the Kennedy/Johnson uncivil special privileges for special interests only Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    But I have serious doubt any of them have the courage or common sense to do it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  81. “What I asked is, is an Army tanker who liberated Dachau or a Marine who liberated Okinawa while flying the Confederate flag a racist?”

    – Steve57

    The answer, Steve, whether you want to address it or not, is “maybe.” The two things have nothing to do with each other.

    Leviticus (e80149)

  82. 2008, autocorrect has odd algorithm

    narciso (54b108)

  83. If you’re guilty, take NJP. If you’re innocent, take it to court martial.

    Lesson learned from Tailhook.

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1994-01-29/news/9401290094_1_gregory-e-tritt-tailhook-misconduct-tailhook-case

    Judge’s Ruling Helps Tailhook Defendant

    http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-19/news/mn-3596_1_tailhook-scandal

    Prosecutors Strike Out With Tailhook Scandal : Military: As cases wind down, no one has been court-martialed. Most face only fines, reprimands.

    Any questions?

    Yes, my question is why are you bringing this up? This has nothing to do with the arguments I’m making. You seem to believe that I’m anti-military, for some reason. My dad was in the Navy out of college, I served in the Air Force in the 80s, and my son is in the Navy right now.

    I will point out, however, that Allen West took NJP.

    Davethulhu (e5d834)

  84. Col. West was protecting his men.

    mg (31009b)

  85. West wasn’t framed, he literally tortured an ally. He deserves to be in jail. One of the best things that Mattis has done is keeping West out of Trump’s adviser ranks.

    “a commander who has lost his moral balance or has watched too many Hollywood movies” – Gen Mattis on Allen West

    Davethulhu (e5d834)

  86. Col. West shot a gun off next to a dune coons head trying to get info to save his mens lives, Svengali Dave. You ignorant slut.

    mg (31009b)

  87. No, Dave. The question I asked you is this Marine guilty of a wrong attitude?

    http://www.ww2incolor.com/us-marines/PICT4908.html

    By the way, since your son is in the the Navy, here is someone he should know about.

    http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/bt1-andrew-gallagher-risked-his-life-to-save-others-aboard-uss-belknap/

    Click on the link and look upon the damage. Which would have been much worse except for Boiler Technician Second Class (later promoted) Andrew Gallagher. Hopefully, you along with his chiefs and petty officers will impress upon him that everyone’s lives depend upon him doing his job. Not that I doubt you raised him right. But, Dave, click on the link and view the effect of just a moment’s inattention at sea.

    I don’t hate you, Dave. I simply think you are wrong and wrong-headed.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  88. dune coon

    Thanks for making my arguments for me.

    Davethulhu (e5d834)

  89. sleazy useless Paul Ryan mostly just protects obamacare

    he does it for his slurpy sodomite daddy mitt romney

    he does it so good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  90. rug headed terrorist work for you svengali dave?

    mg (31009b)

  91. He said it with love in his heart.

    Okay let me try again.

    He said it a respectful lack of condescension.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  92. I am neutral-to-somewhat-supportive on the Confederate Flag out of courtesy and to avoid the slippery slope that would curtail my entertainment and drinking options in mid-September. And yes, tons of pics out there with that flag among servicemen in Afghanistan and Iraq. Nothing yet comparing to the valor and finality of triumph in the photos Steve57 has furnished for us.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  93. These ingrates need to be exterminated by any means. I have lost too many friends because of sand dwellers beliefs. Time to vaporize the whole fricking clan.

    mg (31009b)

  94. Dave, are you trying to put forward that mythological idea that at some unknown time the Democrats became champions of the blacks and the Republicans suddenly became racist? I have heard that silly nonsense before but somehow I don’t know one single Republican that got the memo. They must have “switched sides” somewhere between the Emancipation Proclamation and Jim Crow.
    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 4/28/2017 @ 5:34 pm

    Bold is mine.

    I can tell you the exact moment ( according to the hive-mind of lefties) that occurred, Rev.

    That moment was when David Duke “turned” Republican.

    felipe (023cc9)

  95. I’m going to take this opportunity to remember an American hero, who deserves to be remembered, and the destroyer he save which as recently in the news.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/uss-mahan-fires-warning-flare-at-iranian-ship-sailing-off-iranian-coast/227250/

    I have no idea what it means to fire a warning flare, as my generation fired warning shots. Be that as it may…

    Attention to citation:

    http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80612

    The President of the United States takes pride in presenting the
    NAVY AND MARINE CORPS MEDAL posthumously to

    MASTER-AT-ARMS SECOND CLASS MARK A. MAYO
    UNITED STATES NAVY

    for service as set forth in the following

    CITATION:

    For heroism while serving at Naval Station Norfolk Security Detachment, Norfolk, Virginia on 24 March 2014. While performing his duties as Chief of the Guard, Petty Officer Mayo was alerted to a suspicious individual walking towards USS MAHAN (DDG 72) on Pier 1, Naval Station Norfolk. Petty Officer Mayo pursued the individual up the brow of the ship while both he and the Quarterdeck watch-standers directed the individual to stop and provide identification. Failing to comply, the individual approached the Quarterdeck, attacked and disarmed the Petty Officer of the Watch. After boarding the ship, Petty Officer Mayo realized that the Petty Officer of the Watch no longer had control of her weapon. With complete and total disregard for his own personal safety, Petty Officer Mayo immediately placed himself between the Petty Officer of the Watch and the assailant. While fearlessly engaging the assailant and shielding the Petty Officer of the Watch, Petty Officer Mayo was fatally wounded. His exceptionally brave actions saved the lives of four watch-standers and ensured the safety of the entire crew of USS MAHAN (DDG 72). By his courageous and prompt actions in the face of great personal risk, Petty Officer Mayo prevented the loss of lives, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

    For the President,
    JONATHAN W. GREENERT
    Admiral, United States Navy

    I hope, maybe, that the Navy learned something from MAA2 Mayo’s selfless act.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  96. “Yes, my question is why are you bringing this up?”

    He said without any hope of a clue.

    felipe (023cc9)

  97. Just remember, guys, “there are no stupid questions.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  98. Shooting back is encouraging.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  99. my poor paraphrase..

    From the movie Unforgiven.

    Deputy one: Why are you loading so many guns? you got only one hand!

    One armed deputy: I dob’t wanna die from lack O’ shootin’!

    felipe (023cc9)

  100. Senator Warren wants to cut some Republicans. Cut em open. Spill their guts on the ground. Bleed em.

    There’s video.

    And a webpage. http://100percentfedup.com/pocahontas-warren-wants-gops-scalptells-crowd-shed-like-to-cut-open-republicans-video/

    papertiger (c8116c)

  101. Is there a hostile-workplace law that would work here? The environment is such that there are probably more than 3 conservative professors, but the rest are in the closet.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  102. urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 4/28/2017 @ 7:10 pm

    Be not afraid!

    Not sayin’ you are, not sayin’ you aint, but maybe you get my drift.

    felipe (023cc9)

  103. I can tell you the exact moment ( according to the hive-mind of lefties) that occurred, Rev.

    That moment was when David Duke “turned” Republican.
    felipe (023cc9) — 4/28/2017 @ 7:15 pm

    I see. felipe. Your keen understanding of the warped psyche of the opposition may come in handy in the future. I would never have put the David Duke=Republicans-turned-racists moment together. That’s why it’s good to discuss these things. You must be studying these clowns for years to be able to figure them out.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  104. Is there a hostile-workplace law that would work here?

    Academia = workplace.

    HAHaHAHAHA! Wait, yer serius? All due respect to Kishnevi, a true work-horse.

    felipe (023cc9)

  105. I wish it were “studying,” in actuality (and I know you are with me), it is suffering.

    felipe (023cc9)

  106. Yes but they were attacking republicans a quarry century, goldwater’s vote on the civil rights act was the pretext

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. That is true, narciso. No vacuum in history. Actual, not “recorded.” “reported.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  108. 112.

    ???

    Why are you invoking me? I haven’t set foot on a college campus in years, except once. Which was to hear the Jerusalem Quartet play at the local community college, and involved no interaction with students or staff.

    kishnevi (b4162e)

  109. My apologies, Kish, i am a clown, given to innocent mistakes. I stand corrected, and contrite.

    felipe (023cc9)

  110. Private contractors should be running the war on terror. No pc required, just stack-em like cordwood.
    Can you imagine private contractors with MOAB’s. Rock and Roll, svengali Dave.

    mg (31009b)

  111. That’s not actually true, mg, they have more latitude, but more exposure, and recall, Christopher steele is also a private contractor

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. WTF? Is there a full moon again already?

    nk (dbc370)

  113. I was “about” to say, “cue nk,” but he beat me to it!

    felipe (023cc9)

  114. Nope. New moon. But it has the same effect.

    nk (dbc370)

  115. I challenge nk to a battle of wits!

    (fills two brandy glasses with an unknown liquid)

    Watch as I shuffle these two snifters before your eyes!

    Places one before nk, and one before felipe.

    Felipe: you know the drill, choose!

    (ha! they are both filled with Napoleon!) Enjoy!

    felipe (023cc9)

  116. To your good health, felipe. Now ditch this Lost Cause of a thread.

    nk (dbc370)

  117. Done.

    felipe (023cc9)

  118. What nobody going to denounce Pocahontas? It’s all just good fun for her to talk about gutting republicans like a fish while her rental mob laughs like its the funniest joke they’ve ever heard?

    Levi?

    Dave?

    Yeah. I don’t believe her either. Fake Indian.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  119. Carlson and dreyfus (Richard not julia) have a very respectful discussion

    narciso (3a5153)

  120. Lawyers run the war on terror. Not private contractors.

    mg (31009b)

  121. That was a good one, narciso. Duddy Kravitz has mellowed and he had some very keen insight to share. I wish there were many more just like him in that business… in the world, for that matter.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  122. Academia = workplace.

    HAHaHAHAHA!

    If you have a cigarette, or are a member of a protected class, it’s a workplace.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  123. Ahh see felipe is a srcappahh. He nees nahh mahh help. So I leave yahh with this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AeV8Jbx6M

    AMAZING GRACE – Royal Scots Dragoon Guards

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  124. That was me, in my best written Scots way.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  125. Spine tingling, Steve 57.
    Thank You.

    mg (31009b)

  126. There is no legal, moral or free-market reason why grad students should not unionize. The 13th Amendment abolished indentured servitude and apprenticeship in addition to slavery. And the resurrectors of the free market would have considered them journeymen, no longer mere students or apprentices, entitled to a fair wage and a due level of respect.

    nk (dbc370)

  127. If youread Thomas newton’s backstory, you realize the power of those words

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. That’s like some hit take on quantico, where one senator said we used to speak of slavery, now its mass incarceration, and he’s the stock republican.

    narciso (d1f714)

  129. one fish
    two fish
    red fish
    blue fish

    mg (31009b)

  130. I blame the Quakers. They invented prisons for long term incarceration. Prior to that, crimes that merited more than a short stint in jail, a fine or a whipping were punished by death, slavery or transportation/exile. Transportation and slavery were often combined. The Soviet gulags had their counterparts in the British colonies — from Virginia to the Caribbean to Australia.

    nk (dbc370)

  131. Yes and what purpose does that accomplish now, the lack of effective civic (as dreyfus points out) and moral education is the problem.

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. One of the few things the mouse does right is Disney xd, so m looking forward to star trek rebels

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. Well you know what I mean, it takes up sometime after battle of scarif

    narciso (d1f714)

  134. I honestly believe that our criminal justice system has devolved into an industry for the employment and enrichment of its employees and not an institution for the protection of society and, likewise, academia has devolved into an industry for the benefit of its employees and not an institution of learning for the benefit of its students.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. And the purpose of the defense bar is what again, but there is some truth to that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. And the purpose of the defense bar is what again

    The same purpose Snidely Whiplash served alongside Dudley Do-Right while ABC raked in the children’s toy and breakfast cereal ad revenue?

    nk (dbc370)

  137. marvelously clever Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  138. Thank you, happyfeet.

    nk (dbc370)

  139. Whereas the today show serves no useful purpose on Saturday’s in lieu of Saturday motni,g cartoins

    narciso (d1f714)

  140. 145.And the purpose of the defense bar is what again, but there is some truth to that.

    Other than without a defense the prosecutions job can be done by a high school dropout, the “purpose of the defense bar” is to make money for defense attorneys. Or do they work for free?

    At the end of the day some people’s lives are ruined, others go to prison and the lawyers, both defense and prosecution meet at Spago for cocktails and to plan their judgeships.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  141. Heh! I made my dentist’s receptionist turn it off in the waiting room one time.

    nk (dbc370)

  142. You got it, Hoagie. And our drinks are paid for by the prison guard union, the probation officer union, and the prison construction and management companies.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. I should add, it serves little purpose the rest if the week.

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. Can you tell I haven’t had good experiences with lawyers, nk? With all those decades in the restaurant business I’ve never been involved in a law suit on either side. My experience comes from trying to take in a foster child in the eighties and fighting for Asian immigrants more recently.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  145. Oh, and taxes. Lots and lots of taxes.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  146. I live near a guy who retired at 54 as the CA prison guard. He’s set for life with a nice pension that was calculated using his final years when he piled up over time and had amassed huge vacation pay. His benefits include Cadillac medical and cost of living increases.

    Not a bad exchange for allowing his union dues to help make CA a one-party state.

    Multiply his setup by all the teachers, cops, hospital workers, DOT, etc. retirees and it’s easy to see why analysts say the growing spending on retired public workers is unsustainable. The retirees say so what, you promised these gold parachutes so keep paying and cut somewhere else (anyone seen the condition of state roads lately? Dams? Students’ test results?).

    Oh yeah they are also trying to push through a new bill so that school teachers will not have to pay state income tax.

    And why modernize dams when the governor believed as recently as Dec. that CA was in a “permanent drought” and ridiculed Trump for not knowing about it?

    harkin (517285)

  147. oh my goodness someone did a bunch of global warming all up in new mexico

    and many more snowflakes is gonna be did on it this weekend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  148. hey climate change slut Rick Perry i got your precious yummy Paris Agreement right here

    Since Pakistan boasts more than 175B tonnes of coal (equal to Saudi Arabia’s oil deposits in terms of heating value), harnessing its energy reserves is crucial to ensure the country’s economic development. Currently, Islamabad only generates 0.1% of its energy needs from coal, relying on expensive coal and LNG imports, as well as 4 nuclear power plants and substantial hydroelectric dams to power its economy. However, instead of opting for cutting edge technology, the Chinese decided to build 10,000 MW worth of subcritical coal-fired plants (sub-CPC), an obsolete way of burning coal that ranks among the most polluting ways of generating energy.

    good god rick if you were any dumber we’d have to slap a bra on you and call you Sarah Palin

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. That’s why I’m a big advocate for these transsexual types to freeze their balls and bats. One never knows when one might change one’s mind.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  150. I think he’s back in on the Iain pills, besides who will tell china, tie stop doing that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. This type of road trip would allow me to cross a few items off the bucket list…
    https://kitup.military.com/2017/03/machine-gun.html

    mg (31009b)

  152. Re the erstwhile Marine Biologist from Jaws I think it isn’t until 50 or 55 years of age that the conservative/don’t have a brain axiom kicks in for Jewish men.

    urbanleftbehind (83a1a4)

  153. When I was young they had California State Requirements class instead of Civics I think. The instead of Civics is the source of speculation.

    Not a good sign when a search for Civics class California brings up political advocacy sites instead of dot gov.

    Not a good sign when the Superattendant of Schools (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Torlakson) is one of those career Democrats using the office as a term limit dodge after screwing the public to the limit in the assembly and senate.

    He’s one of those lets drop the voting age to 16 types. Wants to get them voting early before they have a hope of finding a clue.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  154. My experience comes from trying to take in a foster child in the eighties and fighting for Asian immigrants more recently.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 4/29/2017 @ 8:43 am

    Oh, so you were for more Asian immigration.

    Racist, that means you were against more African immigration.

    And if you had tried to adopt an African child that would have been cultural appropriation. Bordering on imperialism and colonialism.

    Just trying to channel the 21st century alt left. Who find our very existence offensive, and want to do something about it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  155. At the risk of getting it wrong, yet again.

    All due respect to Kishnevi Simon Jester, a true work-horse.
    felipe (023cc9) — 4/28/2017 @ 7:38 pm

    Did I get it right. Simon? My memory flags these days.

    felipe (023cc9)

  156. Sitting here trying to work up the motivation to clean the swimming pool after high winds Friday, and I’m watching a film “Jimi Hendrix” that was released in 1973. Haven’t seen it since it was released. A trip an excursion down memory lane…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  157. You caught me Steve57. The boy we were taking in was in fact a black child. His mother had an abortion and he lived but was abandoned. By the time we got the child he was seven. That kid is a human sponge. He reads and learns everything. He wanted to become a marine mechanic and is one of the best. He has his own shop in OC Maryland now. Fine young man. Did a tour in the Army, married and has two girls. Oh, and he’s a black conservative. He calls Hillary the Sea Witch.

    Actually right now I’m not for any immigration because of the way it’s being done. But I am a member od an organization that helps Asians so I help Asians. I try and get people who have something to bring to America a chance. And we have rules. They have to speak and read American English. They have to be self supporting and show financial responsibility. We don’t need to bring in people to put on welfare we have enough of hose of our own already. Above all they have to want to become American not live here and wave a Korean or Chinese flag. No hanminjog, Americans or nothing.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  158. @Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 4/29/2017 @ 2:53 pm, the Japanese accurately predicted they could outgun the USN because the Americans had to maintain a two ocean navy and they didn’t. And that two ocean navy had to pass through the Panama Canal. Hence the Yamato and Musashi.

    It’s odd when you think about it. In December 1941 the Japanese conducted a coordinated strike from six decks. It took years for the USN to become capable of the same thing. Yet the Japanese were fixated on destroying the USN in a gun battle. They didn’t grasp the lesson that the Americans took to heart looking at the smoking ruins of battleship row.

    Aircraft carriers were the key to victory.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  159. Here’s a pic of the USS Yorktown (CV-10) transiting the Panama Canal.

    http://www.czimages.com/CZMemories/Photos/CV-10_Yorktown.jpg

    She was even a tighter fit than the Iowa. To get them through the Panama Canal Authority had to remove the lamp posts and many of the out buildings.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  160. “Them” being the Essex class carriers.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  161. Man, that is yuge! It is fascinating that the Japs didn’t realize the strategic and tactical enormity of the very attack they used to initiate the war. It must be one of those Asian things. I saw in Vietnam how close to our culture they can get yet they just don’t get it. Even my own wife and our many Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese and Japanese friends come close but just don’t seem to get it. But I must admit they keep trying. My wife always said that if it can’t be done an American will find a way to do it. She hasn’t said that in a long, long time. I sense there has been a change in The Force.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  162. A trip an excursion down memory lane…
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/29/2017 @ 2:07 pm

    HEH!

    felipe (023cc9)

  163. Yamamamoto did, having been lived here, for a time, as the moderate, navy minister among the control group, he warned them they couldn’t win.

    narciso (d1f714)

  164. I caught that just in time, felipe!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. @Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 4/29/2017 @ 4:37 pm, it wasn’t until 1943 or 1944 that the Japanese revised their naval doctrine to consider carriers as the capital ships of the navy, with all else including battleships as support. I’d have to some actual research to nail down the exact date.

    This was of course too little too late.

    I also appreciate you treating me as an equal. You walked the walk while I spent 20 years treading water. This is my poor segue to reintroducing a man who must be remembered. Because the USS Mahan is once again in the news.

    http://wtkr.com/2017/04/26/norfolk-based-uss-mahan-forced-to-alter-course-by-iranian-vessel-acting-provocative/

    If this reporting is accurate, it’s a disgraceful condemnation of the USN. The Navy fight sont says:

    Stand Navy out to sea,
    Fight our battle cry;
    We’ll never change our course,
    So vicious foe steer shy-y-y-y.

    And she shifted her course. Disgraceful.

    But one man connected with the USS Mahan didn’t shift his course. Attention to citation.

    http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80612

    The President of the United States takes pride in presenting the
    NAVY AND MARINE CORPS MEDAL posthumously to

    MASTER-AT-ARMS SECOND CLASS MARK A. MAYO
    UNITED STATES NAVY

    for service as set forth in the following

    CITATION:

    For heroism while serving at Naval Station Norfolk Security Detachment, Norfolk, Virginia on 24 March 2014. While performing his duties as Chief of the Guard, Petty Officer Mayo was alerted to a suspicious individual walking towards USS MAHAN (DDG 72) on Pier 1, Naval Station Norfolk. Petty Officer Mayo pursued the individual up the brow of the ship while both he and the Quarterdeck watch-standers directed the individual to stop and provide identification. Failing to comply, the individual approached the Quarterdeck, attacked and disarmed the Petty Officer of the Watch. After boarding the ship, Petty Officer Mayo realized that the Petty Officer of the Watch no longer had control of her weapon. With complete and total disregard for his own personal safety, Petty Officer Mayo immediately placed himself between the Petty Officer of the Watch and the assailant. While fearlessly engaging the assailant and shielding the Petty Officer of the Watch, Petty Officer Mayo was fatally wounded. His exceptionally brave actions saved the lives of four watch-standers and ensured the safety of the entire crew of USS MAHAN (DDG 72). By his courageous and prompt actions in the face of great personal risk, Petty Officer Mayo prevented the loss of lives, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

    For the President,
    JONATHAN W. GREENERT
    Admiral, United States Navy

    I know I’ve mentioned him before. But I can’t mention him enough. If there’s one place a Sailor should feel safe and entertain the idea of being complacent it’s Norfolk. Yet Mark Mayo was ready.

    So much BS is coming out of D.C. I’m almost ashamed I once was a naval officer. Almost. Until I remember Mark Mayo and the other Sailors like him. They weren’t products of D.C. directives. I am proud my Drill Instructor thought me good enough to lead them.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  166. Intel officers with real insight are praised Steve, not these political officers like price, haddad, and co.

    http://libertyunyielding.com/2017/04/29/susan-rice-dems-basically-confirm-yeah-spied-trump-good-thing/

    narciso (7fa266)

  167. The answer, Steve, whether you want to address it or not, is “maybe.” The two things have nothing to do with each other.
    Leviticus (e80149) — 4/28/2017 @ 6:38 pm

    No, this is precisely the issue I want to address. It is in doubt, by your own admission of “maybe.”

    In fact, you have already conceded my point.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  168. Free on Kindle: The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783, by A.T. Mahan, whose enduring wisdom, published in 1890 to enormous renown among the world’s naval powers, is once again being re-validated by the Chinese as they build their first foreign naval base — in Djibouti, “a few miles from Camp Lemonnier, one of the Pentagon’s largest and most important foreign installations,” and launch their first domestically-produced aircraft carrier.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  169. A culture on the ascendancy builds navies. A culture on the decline builds walls. Oh, well, maybe we too can come back in about 700 years.

    nk (dbc370)

  170. If cloty clinton had won, attempted gun confiscation would be happening.
    That clot is lucky she lost!!!

    mg (31009b)

  171. @ Beldar (fa637a) — 4/29/2017 @ 8:07 pm: Excellent comment. Perhaps surprisingly, the Japanese were devout Mahanians. And in my judgement, and certainly in history’s judgement, misread Mahan’s book badly. They understood it as dogma, unchanging and unchangeable. They were going to draw in and attrite the American fleet as it crossed the Pacific and destroy at a choke point under their guns like they did with the Russians at Tsushima. (This one of the reasons why the Japanese remained huge fans of the battleship despite the lesson taught to the USN by the Nihon Kaido Butai).

    Your opinions, indeed anyone’s opinions, especially if the disagree are always welcome.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  172. A culture on the ascendancy builds navies. A culture on the decline builds walls. Oh, well, maybe we too can come back in about 700 years.
    nk (dbc370) — 4/30/2017 @ 3:37 am

    A culture on the ascendancy can to both.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  173. Nimitz, who was as steeped in Mahan as any Japanese admiral, refused to walk cow-like into their trap.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  174. You may have noticed that since Trump was elected illegal border crossings have decreased by 70%. Because with the f***ing Mau Mau gone, our immigration people are enforcing the laws. Proving what the Spartans, who never had a wall around Sparta, said: It is not a wall made of bricks or stone that keeps out the enemy, it is a wall of men.

    nk (dbc370)

  175. The Athenians, under Themistocles, defended against the Persians with a “wooden wall”, meaning their ships. Our “wall” which defeated the Japanese in WWII was not made of wood, but of steel, but it was still in the shape of ships and men. As was the wall which defeated the Germans.

    nk (dbc370)

  176. As for the Chinese, they may still remember the “wall” that drove MacArthur back to the 38th parallel.

    nk (dbc370)

  177. Love Clarice.

    mg (31009b)

  178. nk, get a grip. What the h3ll do you think they teach at the Naval War College?

    Yup, yup, yo, never heard of Themistocles.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  179. brainwashed butt-stain john mccain says the military piggies need sloppin

    and he’s shamelessly exploiting North Korea for to extort some slop for the piggy trough

    Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) push for a $7.5 billion fund to bulk up the U.S. military’s capabilities in the Asia-Pacific is gaining momentum as tensions with North Korea mount.

    what will that money buy lol

    maybe a plane and a candy bar

    two things you can’t trust military piggy trash with

    tax money or soldier’s lives

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  180. oopers soldiers’ lives i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  181. here’s a link not sure what happened to the apostrophe s there

    kooky

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. oopers here’s a good link

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  183. here, in cowardly mcbuttstain’s own words, is what he wants to molest our treasury for 7.5 billion borrowed chineser dollars for:

    “This initiative could enhance U.S. military power through targeted funding to realign our force posture in the region, improve operationally-relevant infrastructure, fund additional exercises, preposition equipment, and build capacity with our allies and partners,” McCain said Thursday.

    srsly?

    we slopped the piggies to the tune of over 2.5 trillion dollars over the last four years

    and you’re telling me the spendy spendy corrupt military piggy trash forgot to use it to “preposition equipment” in the pacific?

    jesus goddamn christ what an effing racket

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  184. Warriors and tax-payers take a beating every time, happyfeet.
    We can’t afford to lawyer up against a rigged govt.

    mg (31009b)

  185. deranged opportunists like mccain are so terribly contemptuous of both

    he needs to go away

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. I also appreciate you treating me as an equal. You walked the walk while I spent 20 years treading water.

    Steve57, you proudly wore the uniform of our Great Nation and took the same oath to defend her as I. How our country employs those of us who choose service is above our pay grade. We made ourselves available for whatever America asked of us. There is no more a patriot can do.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  187. Outside Trader Joe’s, Brooklyn homemaker Eva Lev said she rarely visits Whole Foods nowadays. “It’s like that Jim Gaffigan joke – Whole Foods on Sunday is just a refugee camp for people with too much money.” Lev added she prefers Trader Joe’s “because it seems like an everyman’s place, and you can still get organic”.

    shine on lil diamond

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  188. actually Mr. Reverend a patriot can *not* join the military, study hard, buckle down, and work towards creating jobs, prosperity, and a broader tax base and thereby do a lot more “service” for America than the average soldier, not least because our soldiers are routinely put to ill use and wasteful purposes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  189. Pikachu you hate everybody, I’ve gotten wise to you.

    narciso (d1f714)

  190. i like non-organic farmers, zookeepers (including Kay Panabaker), Rand Paul (at the moment), coal miners, Grant Achatz, climate change deniers, people who bake kolaches, Madonna, koa campground operators, gun owners and Theresa May

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. “ANALYSIS: TRUE. Peggy Noonan: Trump Has Been Lucky in His Enemies: Cursing pols, screeching students and intolerant abortion advocates have become the face of the left. “When I see tapes of the protests and riots at schools like Berkeley, Middlebury, Claremont McKenna and Yale, it doesn’t have the feel of something that happens in politics. It has the special brew of malice and personal instability seen in the Salem witch trials. . . . The cursing pols, the anathematizing abortion advocates, the screeching students—they are now the face of the progressive left. This is what America sees now as the face of the Democratic Party. It is a party blowing itself up whose only hope is that Donald Trump blows up first.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/263747/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  192. here’s a link to the full column Mr. Colonel

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  193. #206 happyfeet

    madonna ciccone probably doesn’t like most of the things (and people) on your list
    i’m certain she doesn’t like coal miners or climate change deniers
    then again, she liked sean penn at one time, so she’s proven to have poor judgment about peeps

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  194. she grew up in detroit her dad was in the auto industry

    i don’t think she’s a hateful person per se like the climate change hoax people

    she probably hasn’t really even looked at the issue very closely at all, cause of how silly it is

    she’s a very busy lady

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. lady ciccone has said some nasty woman things about mr donald
    life isn’t always a la isla bonita with her
    sometimes she should not express herself

    but i do like the line where she said fred astaire danced on air

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  196. she’s a good person but probably not the best cook

    you never see her on cooking shows

    this is probably her secret shame, that she’s helpless in the kitchen

    i could teach her how to make pesto

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  197. sausage

    mg (31009b)

  198. Modified NK: the people of Texas will be their own best wall. Save the rebar and concrete for AZ and NM.

    urbanleftbehind (2acd3d)

  199. bye bye piggy

    thanks for making failmerica suck just a little harder

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  200. I think the over the top by the material girl is to throw people off the scent re closet Trumpitude. Subtract the fame and she fits the rust belt convert from D to R to a T.

    urbanleftbehind (2acd3d)

  201. so far none of her kids have turned out to be ignant social justice trash

    that’s a very good sign

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  202. Lourdes must have been made by a 59er.

    urbanleftbehind (2acd3d)

  203. She had a modicum of talent as opposed to the gaga chimera, but that I’ll say.

    narciso (d1f714)

  204. What the h3ll do you think they teach at the Naval War College?

    What Churchill said?

    nk (dbc370)

  205. because our soldiers are routinely put to ill use and wasteful purposes

    Those would be the soldiers you’ve previously referred to as “tatted up trash” of course. Good lord you’re such a tiresome pseudo-edgy twerp.

    Jack Klompus (1b3003)

  206. oh my goodness gracious pickles Mr. Klompus please to find me where i ever said that, what you put in quotes

    that’s a complete misnomer and a frightfully malapropos allegation

    you’re not making the good and accurate comments

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  207. 203.actually Mr. Reverend a patriot can *not* join the military, study hard, buckle down, and work towards creating jobs, prosperity, and a broader tax base and thereby do a lot more “service” for America than the average soldier, not least because our soldiers are routinely put to ill use and wasteful purposes
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2017 @ 6:35 am

    I have no idea what you mean when you say “a patriot can *not* join the military”. Every person I ever knew who joined the military is a patriot. And if you’re referring to me personally you are entitled to your opinion. Everything run by government from schools, to taxes, to welfare to education is “routinely put to ill use and wasteful purposes” so why would you think service people are any different? But that’s on the pencil necked politicians who spend a lifetime screwing the people, not on the servicemen.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  208. i’m saying there’s many good and even better ways to serve your country patriotically

    way what don’t got nothing to do with joining up with no military

    and yes yes i agree whole and also heartedly with your last sentence

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  209. *ways* what… i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  210. American Gods starts tonight but i don’t think i have a way to watch

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  211. yes yes we’ve started putting tatted-up gang-filth-looking losers in uniforms and letting them represent america it’s true

    and it’s very sad and disgusting

    but that’s not the same as saying all our soldiers are tatted up trash

    that is a misnomer and a frightfully malapropos allegation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  212. OMG.

    Look, I don’t like posting among all the crude folks here, but *you* are the one who wrote:

    “oh my goodness gracious pickles Mr. Klompus please to find me where i ever said that, what you put in quotes

    that’s a complete misnomer and a frightfully malapropos allegation”

    And went on to say of Mr. Klompus:

    “you’re not making the good and accurate comments”

    I simply Googled, and found your filth.

    And you still don’t take responsibility.

    But I am not, and never have been, surprised by your innate dishonesty and narcissism.

    I miss the old days with the people commenting from whom I could learn. Not so much of it now.

    Simon Jester (771155)

  213. In fact, I would pay big money to see you personally—face to face—talk that way to Steve, or the other folks in the service who post here.

    But you wouldn’t, of course.

    Simon Jester (771155)

  214. oh for the love of handlebar tassles and racing stripes get a life

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  215. And another person on the right suffers as they clutch a copy of the Constitution and Legal Papers screaming “rights” while the Left railroads folks into silence and professional destruction

    Blah Blah (44eaa0)

  216. HF has been the equivalent of anthrax-infused fecal matter for years now. Nothing will change that.

    John Hitchcock (4eaa02)

  217. …In fact, I would pay big money to see you personally—face to face—talk that way to Steve, or the other folks in the service who post here.

    But you wouldn’t, of course.
    Simon Jester (771155) — 4/30/2017 @ 2:38 pm

    It would take me at least a year for me to get into the kind of shape where I could get back into the ring and give a decent showing. I’ve done three, three minute rounds. It ain’t easy.

    But if my country called, if honor demanded, I’d show up tomorrow. And probably do better then expected. At 54 I have not entirely let myself go.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  218. I will talk face to face the exact same way I do on the internet.

    It’s sort of a corollary to Hemingway’s dictum to never say drunk what you wouldn’t do sober.

    That’ll teach you.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  219. i’m sure you’d do just fine

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  220. As long as you could still handle this sort of thing: https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-airlines-pilot-hits-passenger-034317788.html
    Having ATL and DTW as hubs will bite you in the arse eventually.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  221. I’d probably get killed. I’m envisioning someone stomping on the back of my head after I’m knocked unconscious breaking my jaws against a curb.

    I am reaching the end of my tether. What I want Simon Jester to know is, no matter how old and frail I become, I trained others to come after me. Like my dad, the sainted senior chief.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  222. i’m disappointed that Simon would try to put you in that kind of situation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  223. 233-John, I’m assuming “HF” is Huffpo. On the other thread, Hillshire Farms makes more sense and that assertion about its encased meats might be literal truth.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  224. the problem with hemingway is that he said things when he was sober that might lead one to believe he was actually drunk

    but at least howard hawks made to have and have not into a really good movie

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  225. i’m disappointed that Simon would try to put you in that kind of situation
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/30/2017 @ 5:26 pm

    Simon didn’t.

    Simon! I did my job!

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  226. Cruz Supporter I dispute your version of events.

    What did Hemingway ever do to lead you to believe he was ever sober? At least after WWI?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  227. No, ulb, HF does not stand for some outside company. It stands for the name of a complete and utter waste of chromosomes commenting in this thread who has those initials.

    John Hitchcock (4eaa02)

  228. hello?

    feelings

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  229. http://www.badlefthook.com/2017/4/29/15487530/joshua-vs-klitschko-results-anthony-joshua-stops-wladimir-klitschko-in-dramatic-slugfest

    I hope I didn’t stop ant hearts when I pointed out that 54 year old me will have his time.

    Just like 41 year old Klitschko had his. And 27 year old Anthony Joshua will have his.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  230. 187 nk (dbc370) — 4/30/2017 @ 4:56 am

    .You may have noticed that since Trump was elected illegal border crossings have decreased by 70%. Because with the f***ing Mau Mau gone, our immigration people are enforcing the laws.

    Actually, because Trump, or his reputation, is scaring them off.

    You know what else he’s scaring off?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/us/immigrants-deportation-sexual-abuse.html?_r=0

    Even though it’s not thw law, and almost contrary to law, but the lawyers have no idea what the policy is, or could be and somebody’s spreading rumors and nobody in the bureaucracy is fighting the rumors, or at rate making promises of inaction. Maybe they like it.

    These victim of abuse visas have a quota on them, and much delay, and also maybe depend on the attitude of local police.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  231. Simon Jester, I have the unfortunate feeling that I may have let you down.

    “In fact, I would pay big money to see you personally—face to face—talk that way to Steve, or the other folks in the service who post here.”

    Save your money. I will say anything, anytime, anywhere to whoever I think needs to hear it as long as I am convinced it’s the truth. I was a naval intelligence officer. I had to say unpopular things. But if you want to keep a pet around to stroke your ego, you need a different guy. And I have a voice, so I don’t care if the microphone goes out. The guy in the back row will here it.

    As far as confrontation goes, Simon Jester, I’m comfortable with it. I played Rugby until my early 40s. Shipboard Security Engagement Weapons. Shipboard Security Engagement Tactics. I did not train anyone else’s training, it’s important to note, but I personally trained and went on to train the Sailors under my authority. I mentioned I have a voice.

    http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/drill_and_ceremony/the-command-voice.shtml

    I hope, Simon Jester, this will do for now.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  232. Boy, that was garbled. I meant to say that I did not personally train anyone in any of the subjects I mentioned. I simply made sure they got the proper training. That they went through the right schools.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)


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