Homeless Trump Supporter Confronted By Aggressively Hostile Clinton Supporters
[guest post by Dana]
Last Wednesday morning, a man identifying himself as James Otis, reportedly the heir to the Otis Elevator Company fortune, admitted he took a pickaxe to Donald Trump’s star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. He was later arrested for felony vandalism, and then released after posting $20,000 bail. Obviously unaware that you cannot auction off stolen property, he told reporters that he planned to sell some of the letters from Trump’s name for $1-$2 million and donate all the proceedings to women’s charities. He explained:
“I had to do it – to make myself feel whole and to be part of the democratic process, I had to do the nonviolent action,” Otis said.
He accused Trump of having “derailed the entire election” and said the vandalism was his way of dealing with his anger.
This weekend, after the star had been repaired, a homeless Trump supporter sat guard over it. While there, she posted a number of hand-written signs slamming Hillary Clinton, accusing President Obama of selling out the black community, and complaining about illegal immigrants. The scene quickly turned ugly as the woman was confronted by a taunting and hostile crowd that had gathered. In a very disturbing video, young men and women are seen and heard acting in an utterly deplorable manner. And at the end of the video, the homeless woman is down on the ground. (I’ve read reports that the woman was throwing out her own inflammatory rhetoric, but it was difficult for me to distinguish it from the loud crowd.)
A couple of things to note: After the last debate, Hillary Clinton’s camp hysterically accused Donald Trump of “menacingly stalking” her on stage. What I saw were two people in a fairly tight space, and the hulking 6’3″ 235 lb. Trump paced behind a 5’5″ Hillary Clinton. Not “menacingly stalking” her, but sure, go with your case of the vapors… However, in contrast, if you go to the 2:53 mark of the video below, you can see what it really looks like when a man stalks a woman. And it’s just awful.
A heavyset man with glasses and tattoos then moved in to tear up her signs, leading her to push back at him and fall to the ground.
As she lay prone, some onlookers jeered her with profanity.
“You spewed hate and you got hate,” one man is heard to say. “You got exactly what you were dishing out.”
Given that the media has inundated us with alleged and actual examples of Trump supporters behaving in an unacceptable manners, we have also recently had it confirmed from the Project Veritas videos that Democratic operatives have planted their own agitators at Trump’s rallies with the goal of stirring the pot and fomenting the media narrative of hateful Trump supporters acting out on his inflammatory rhetoric. (Preemptive strike: This does not excuse anyone’s horrid behavior at these rallies where violence has been witnessed and documented.) Yet in the video of the homeless woman, the events don’t appear to be staged as far as the surrounding hostile crowd is concerned. It seems like a group of people who viscerally hate Donald Trump, and by extension, his supporters. They are obviously taking out their anger and hostility on one single woman. If this is representative of Hillary Clinton supporters at large, then I would suggest that, just like Trump, she should be pressured to publicly disavow such actions immediately.
Postscript: Witnesses were disturbed by the lack of police intervention during the incident, and the LAPD responded:
The video prompted angry calls to police asking why they didn’t intervene.
LAPD Officer Tony Im said Friday that the woman incited the crowd with racial slurs and police at the scene “kept the peace.”
He said police will look for the woman to interview her.
“We had a lot of people upset that we didn’t do anything,” Im said. “If she’s a victim, she has a right to come forward.”
Of course, given the madness of this campaign, it may be that the homeless woman was an actress from Central Casting, hired by Democratic operatives to stir the pot. After all, this took place in Hollywood, land of the make-believe. (Preemptive strike: This does not excuse anyone’s horrid behavior toward the woman, which has been witnessed and documented.)
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (d17a61) — 10/31/2016 @ 6:48 amA smart move on the part of the Trump campaign would be to reach out to the homeless woman
Bar Sinister (f5ce19) — 10/31/2016 @ 6:55 amwith positive support.
Good morning, Dana.
Like jackals surrounding a sick lamb. Hollywood is a sick place. And the LOLAPD are part of the disease.
nk (dbc370) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:21 amAnd Trump has been part of the same sick scene for almost 50 years.
nk (dbc370) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:24 amSo now “racial slurs” justifies a mob acting in concert to convict her and to deliver punishment?
That’s life in the big city, the big Democrat-run city.
Patricia (5fc097) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:25 amWhich is why “Escape From LA” is my very favoritest movie introduction.
nk (dbc370) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:28 am“In retrospect, I probably should’ve first looke up what ‘democratic process’ and ‘nonviolent’ mean. Oh, well, hindsight and all that.”
See? Hillary’s already condemned them!
A gentleman doesn’t reveal a lady’s weight.
CayleyGraph (353727) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:34 amPlus, it’s hard to get an accurate weighing, because she always has all that medical equipment attached to her.
Even in 97, pat Robertson seemed to be their bete noire.
narciso (d1f714) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:37 ami bet you a bean and cheese burrito that lapd flunky hears more racial slurs at the station house before breakfast than i hear all year
happyfeet (a037ad) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:39 amIt’s LA sinking into the Pacific I liked, not the jackleg evangelical.
nk (dbc370) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:47 amNot a good idea if she “engages” with the 2016 rank and file version of the LAPD. And coming from hard working steel-mill AMDs that always had to move a mile ahead of the South Side Black Chicago diaspora I wouldnt blame them in the least.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/31/2016 @ 7:51 amI know why the LOLAPD’s hands were tied and they COULD NOT intervene. They had no evidence to plant on a suspect.
nk (dbc370) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:10 amLA sinks, as Chicago drowns in a sea of blood that will rise appreciably when their beloved Cubs revert to their birthright and lose.
Colonel Haiku (8583e2) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:24 amyou’re a very dark person sometimes
happyfeet (a037ad) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:31 am@Dana: it may be that the homeless woman was an actress from Central Casting, hired by Democratic operatives to stir the pot.
Why would Democratic operatives want to make supporters of Democrats look bad?
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:44 amThat part of Chicago gives not a spit, in fact a loss might result in less drunken unawares being made victims and no victory parade to maraud at. Maybe a Bulls loss to the Cavs in a game 7 of the NBA Eastern Conference finals would have that effect you speak of.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:44 amListen to the crowd. Once you can call people vile names, then they are “the other,” and our typical primate politics take over: threaten or kill the Other.
Did she call people names? Probably. Good to know that she “had it coming,” huh?
Now, let’s turn it around. What do you think the press would do about a homeless woman disagreeing with a group of Trump supporters? Would “she have it coming” then?
Of course not.
This the point I cannot get across to people: if you think it is okay to “otherize” and verbally attack people you oppose, then it should be identically okay in the other direction. Except almost no one means that. They simply want the right to do whatever they want, without any accountability.
Me, I wish that people would support the rights of others to have their own opinions—even when people disagree with them. Vile name calling is part of the problem, not a solution. And vile name calling is not the same as disagreeing with people.
You can hear a few people in that crowd making noises like I suggest…but they are drowned out by the thugs.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:49 ami miss Mr. mg
happyfeet (a037ad) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:54 amAt least the LAPD didn’t stomp her to death, like Kelly Thomas.
MayBee (a7822d) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:56 amThat was Stabba Ana or Anacrime, but got ya’.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/31/2016 @ 8:57 amOut: WPOD
In: VRWC
Colonel Haiku (8583e2) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:02 amWPOD = ?
VRWC = Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, which Clinton and company have just discovered FBI Director James Comey was a part of.
Sammy Finkelman (b4888e) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:09 am“LAPD Officer Tony Im said Friday that the woman incited the crowd with racial slurs…”
Ummm…isn’t “the woman” black? Did I miss the memo where black people can be racist now?
MJN1957 (6f981a) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:18 amWPOD?
White Punks On Dope
Colonel Haiku (8583e2) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:19 amIs that your no-nonsense assessment of the White Rural/Exurban Heroin Problem (as alluded to in the Ayotte thread)?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:32 amFree heroin given to drug addicts in Britain’s first supervised ‘fix rooms’
happyfeet (a037ad) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:35 amYes, teh Tubes had it sussed in 1974…
Colonel Haiku (8583e2) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:47 amIf the Trump supporter incited the crowd with racist rhetoric likely to result in violence and the police were there, then the police should have arrested her for disturbing the peace. But the police don’t seem to have been there when this started. (If they were there and did not arrest her, the fact that they did not arrest her suggests they did not consider these to be words that incite violence.)
My guess is the police arrived later and reconstructed what happened, and the racist rhetoric is the police’s effort to explain what happened. But it also sounds like the police are using that rhetoric to to justify what happened to her and, if so, that is not right. The police have a duty to protect her from the crowd even if she incited them, and the crowd has a duty not to attack other people because of mere words.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/31/2016 @ 9:59 amBut that is my conservative legal values talking. Silly me. The rules have changed now in this schizoid world of Democratic “PC”/Republican “get even” values.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/31/2016 @ 10:02 amWord is Wikileaks is supposed to be sharing emails tomorrow that would normally result in an arrest… in this case, the arrest of one Hillary Clinton.
Colonel Haiku (8583e2) — 10/31/2016 @ 10:16 amIs “racist rhetoric likely to result in violence” sufficient for a “disturbing the peace” charge? I’m pretty sure it’s not enough to deny first amendment protections, but there are usually other issues involved in law.
CayleyGraph (353727) — 10/31/2016 @ 10:41 amYes that seems like a squirrel recall what Carlos slims did to cliven Bundy and Zimmerman for that matter
narciso (d1f714) — 10/31/2016 @ 10:45 amI’m surprised the LAPD didn’t arrest the Trump supporter for loitering on his star.
The LAPD doesn’t have a strong record on The First Amendment if r/amifreetogo is any indication.
Pinandpuller (ae0749) — 10/31/2016 @ 11:05 amIt’s called ‘fighting words’, and it is an exception to the first amendment (google Chaplinksy if you want to read into it).
I think the concept really puts cops in a difficult situation. They just want to keep the peace, and the person breaking it, inciting a riot against her, is screaming racial slurs and otherwise desperate to get a rise out of people, and then insists she’s the victim of the situation she created.
But still, DRJ is right. If I punch some punk because they said I’m the prawn of arab loins, that’s on me. I’m responsible for taking it past words. Everyone knows that if they get involved in a shouting match with fan of Trump, they will be hearing some offensive racial language. Gotta have thick skin if you encounter one of these creatures, but you are unlikely to do so out in the open in Texas. This is something you’ll find on internet forums and in basements, and perhaps digging through the dumpsters of the Golden State.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/31/2016 @ 11:08 am. . . and the hulking 6’3″ 235 lb. Trump paced behind a 5’5″ Hillary Clinton. . .”
I’m guessing the GOP nominee goes at least 250, unless he has zero muscle mass. But I won’t begrudge a guy of mature years shaving some pounds off for the scouting report. The self-reported weight on my drivers license’s would cause people to guffaw and roll their eyes.
JVW (6e49ce) — 10/31/2016 @ 12:00 pmSeeing people assuming that the woman “incited” the crowd with “racial slurs”. I see no source for this in the article, except the word of an LAPD officer who was not present when the “incitement” took place.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 10/31/2016 @ 12:51 pm30. Colonel Haiku (8583e2) — 10/31/2016 @ 10:16 am
The only thing they probably have is something taht would implicate Putin, or some of the people associated with him, as well.
Today’s Wikileaks leak was about Donna Brazile sending questions in advance to Hillary Clinton. It resulted in her leaving CNN.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-st-donna-brazile-cnn-20161031-story.html
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/31/media/donna-brazile-cnn-resignation/index.html
Akthough maybe this has more to do with an earlier Wikileak, bt they added more today.
Sammy Finkelman (b4888e) — 10/31/2016 @ 12:59 pmThe Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Such a publicity scam. The Chamber of Commerce budgets a certain number every year– if they feel you qualify –and cough up the $20,000 (1999 price) you can get one.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/31/2016 @ 1:43 pm