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6/13/2016

Hillary Clinton Utters the Forbidden Words for Progressives

Filed under: General — JVW @ 11:23 am



[guest post by JVW]

Ramesh Ponnuru has the details over at The Corner:

Hillary Clinton, Nov. 19: “The obsession in some quarters with a clash of civilization, or repeating the specific words ‘radical Islamic terrorism’ isn’t just a distraction, it gives these criminals, these murderers more standing than they deserve. It actually plays into their hands by alienating partners we need by our side.”

Hillary Clinton, today: “From my perspective, it matters what we do, not what we say. . . . To me radical jihadism, radical Islamism -– I think they mean the same thing, I’m happy to say either.” (More in this vein here.)

Say what you will about her mendacity, her equivocating, and her overall general dishonesty, Hillary! Clinton has continually proven that, just like her husband, she can sense when the political winds are changing and she will tack her ship and set sails accordingly.

Barack Obama may find himself more and more lonely on the island where one dares not say the phrase “radical Islam.”

– JVW

188 Responses to “Hillary Clinton Utters the Forbidden Words for Progressives”

  1. so it *was* terrorism

    i knew it

    happyfeet (831175)

  2. Point for uttering shibolleth, demerit fir dismissing in the same pie passage

    narciso (732bc0)

  3. I’m guessing that her pollsters are telling her that foreign policy is, surprisingly (to her), one of her weak spots among potential voters. It’s going to be fun watching her try to distance herself from Obama without alienating his core supporters.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  4. Good point, narciso. Hillary!: “From my perspective, it matters what we do. . . .” Yet what her party has done (or, more to the point, what they have failed to do) is entirely the matter at hand.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  5. How can they fight when they’re too afraid/PC to say what needs to be said.

    Radical Islam… The ENEMY that Democrats dare not speak its name

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  6. No in the previous passage, its like ‘it was because if video or they were walking last night ‘ because everyone goes walking with rpg’s and mortars, don’t you.

    narciso (732bc0)

  7. It’s a pretty disgusting situation we find ourselves in, when we have dissolved to fighting over who is the worse jihadi.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  8. Yeah. Crusades. Guilty. If I can be guilty for something 1000 years ago.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  9. Maoists or Soviets, the former by an arm.

    narciso (732bc0)

  10. Radical Islam… The ENEMY that Democrats dare not speak its name

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715) — 6/13/2016 @ 11:33 am

    Try reading the post.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  11. she brings it up, as a strawman to dismiss it dustin.

    narciso (732bc0)

  12. Washington Examiner,yesterday.

    I thanked him for his candor, for admitting that he favors executing gays, wife-beating, stoning adulteresses, and chopping the hands off of thieves. I could tell, though, that my colleagues from the paper were shocked by what they had heard. American journalists simply aren’t used to hearing Islamic leaders in this country talk like that. And Islamic leaders in this country, I’d wager, are not used to being questioned sharply about their views. It’s also the case that Mr. Elmougy fits no Westerner’s idea of what a radical Muslim looks like. He is smart, well-dressed, professional, and to all appearances, Westernized. You simply don’t expect to be sitting in a fancy steakhouse and to hear a man who looks like the manager of a luxury hotel—which is what he was at the time—advocating medieval tortures. The cognitive dissonance can be overwhelming.

    — “Islam, Homosexuality, & Capital Punishment — What do imams and other US Muslim leaders really believe?”, Rod Dreher, of the American Conservative, flashing back to his days with the Dallas Morning News in the post-9/11 period.

    Related: Robert Spencer: “FBI ‘never guessed’ gay club would be target of jihad attack.”

    More: Co-Worker: Orlando Terrorist’s Employer Ignored Unhinged Comments For Fear Of Being Politically Incorrect.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236155/

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  13. What difference at this point, does it make?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  14. so it does seem explicitly political

    https://twitter.com/AlwaysActions/status/742179340226580482

    narciso (732bc0)

  15. reading the post.

    Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/13/2016 @ 11:50 am

    The enemy within…

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  16. HER CAMPAIGN’S OVERNIGHT POLLS MUST HAVE COME IN: “Hillary Clinton changed her tune Monday and referred to the Orlando massacre as a result of ‘radical Islamism,’ a sharp break from President Obama, who has declined to use the term.”

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  17. Democrats have no problem calling Republicans all sorts of names including calling us “Nazis,” and even suggesting that we want to take society back to the Dark Ages. They ascribe all sorts of ill intentions to us. And why ? — because we’re for lower taxes and for shrinking the size of government?

    Meanwhile, Radical Islamists are chopping people’s heads off and stoning women to death, yet Democrats bend over backwards to not engage in any characterizations which might be interpreted as incendiary or counter-productive to good public manners or open lines of communication.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  18. If Dustin was really serious with that snark, he’s lost touch with reality and he can KMA to help ground himself.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  19. “GREAT MOMENTS IN MSM MISDIRECTION:

    New York Daily News Blames NRA for Orlando Shooting.
    Planned Parenthood Blames ‘Toxic Masculinity’ for Orlando Attack.
    Media Attack Guns, Men, Christians, GOP Instead of Islam in Orlando.
    William Saletan of Slate: Trump’s Response to Orlando Is Exactly What ISIS Wants.
    It’s comforting to know that America’s newsrooms and television studios are flooded with experts who know ISIS better than ISIS itself”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236162/

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  20. I guess some folks are assuming these leftwing groups and our news media are right of center?

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  21. They will resist calling it what it is until they have their noses rubbed in it, or worse.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  22. “Radical Islam” is a misnomer and a misconception. What we call “radical Islam” is simply “orthodox Islam,” or, more precisely, “Islam.” The fact that most people who subscribe to Islam are in reality NOT violent fanatics does not mean that Islam is not a religion of violent fanaticism, it merely indicates that most people are, by their nature, quietists: they wish to live in peace and quiet, practice their particular cultural and religious traditions, and have done. I’m a Catholic, and I can promise you that nearly all Catholics don’t want to see any heretics burned at the stake. Even the vile murderous abortionists, whom we vehemently oppose, we just want to see their activities halted, we don’t want to burn them at the stake. We just want to go to Mass, celebrate our holidays, practice mercy, charity, justice and compassion, and worship God in peace and quiet. Same thing with most Muslims.

    But there’s a category error lurking here. The fact that most Muslims do indeed practice peace and quiet does not mean that Islam advocates peace and quiet; it’s just human nature to prefer it if it’s available.

    Do, as they say, the math.

    hunson abedeer (cacaf3)

  23. A religious war is not what’s needed, thanks though…

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  24. #19 Colonel Haiku,

    I wonder if Planned Parenthood blamed “toxic masculinity” for “causing” the attack on their abortion mill in Colorado late last year?

    Oh wait.
    They didn’t.
    They actually blamed the psycho who murdered people.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  25. “GREAT MOMENTS IN MSM MISDIRECTION:

    You missed the NY Times suggesting that the fight over transgender school kids using the restroom of their choice has contributed to Orlando.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  26. Great point, CS.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  27. Because if there is anyone qualified to comment upon radical Islam and how the situation in the Middle East plays out on a worldwide stage it’s Cecile Richards and the other dunderheads at America’s leading abortion mill.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  28. some more shibboleths he’s learned the hard way,

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/brutal-realities-14573.html

    narciso (732bc0)

  29. Trump reads off a “prepared text” as the GOP says he should. Then he says the magic words, but we all know he has absolutely no clue how to manage this leviathan government, law enforcement, military in a world full of conflict.

    Hillary seemed to be able to say ‘the words’ just fine. Trump stupidly set the standard at the Hollywood smack talk level, and she had no problem responding in a way that was smarter to all but the die hard partisans.

    I think Hillary would be a poor president, but on fighting she would be a step up from Obama. Trump, on the other hand, would leave us isolated and economically weak with his trade war smack talk and protectionism.

    Watch Trump flip flop every five minutes. Opposite sex in the bathroom? It’s great! Planned parenthood? Great! Gun control? Great! Amnesty? Great! Just apply a little media pressure and Trump folds. Clinton triangulates, which is still cynical and not leadership, but she can see three steps ahead, which when fighting a war is pretty important.

    Trump’s fans like how he’s not politically correct, but the funny thing is that he is very politically sensitive.

    They both hate the warfighters, both because they think they were born better than the working man, but in their hearts are insecure. Neither deserve to lead. Hopefully both parties find a way to pick better candidates.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  30. we know she will continue the same ‘hear no evil, speak no evil’ approach at fbi, dhs, cia,’ there will be no connecting the dots, just blameshifting, there isn’t anyone on her staff, who thinks differently,

    narciso (732bc0)

  31. Did you catch Hillary’s speech, Dustin? You think she did well?
    Pretty sure the part I caught Hillary put flight attendants in charge of gun licencing, or at least the security check part of it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  32. “A religious war is not what’s needed, thanks though…”

    Who on earth is talking about a religious war? Analysis is what you start with. Without clear analysis, you have nothing to work with.

    I have pretty sophisticated degrees in terms of both European and East Asian culture and history and philosophy and so forth. But I was relatively sort of spotty on South Asian and Middle Eastern history (actually I’m pretty good at the really ancient Near Eastern cultures, but I didn’t study Islam closely.)

    Do you know what I did the day after 9/11? I went out and bought a Koran and a couple of reliable scholarly volumes on Islamic history, and I sat down and fucking read them. I doubt Hillary Clinton can say the same, she gets her info from Huma late at nite.

    hunson abedeer (cacaf3)

  33. Mr. Trump did so good he’s pointing the way towards a more better world where we’re safer and happier. Good fences make good neighbors and the best defense is a good offense.

    He’s got a good handle on this.

    happyfeet (831175)

  34. we know she will continue the same ‘hear no evil, speak no evil’ approach at fbi, dhs, cia,’ there will be no connecting the dots, just blameshifting, there isn’t anyone on her staff, who thinks differently,

    narciso (732bc0)

    That’s not an unlikely guess, but I think she would actually be a hardass. Remember she wasn’t the one who made the dumb call at Benghazi. Obama was. Also, while who actually knows what happened behind closed doors, there’s been talk that Obama had cold feet with the OBL raid, and Clinton among others pressured him into doing it.

    Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly shown he actually doesn’t care enough about this country to bother learning the basics of any critical issue. He doesn’t know Kurds from Quds, for example. He’s a grown man and he knows less than a high school student. No question Hillary is more qualified and understands the issue more. Both of them are New York values lefties bending whichever way the wind blows.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  35. yes, she was the one who pushed to get involved in libya, she and susan rice and samantha power,

    narciso (732bc0)

  36. “A religious war is not what’s needed, thanks though…”

    Who on earth is talking about a religious war? Analysis is what you start with. Without clear analysis, you have nothing to work with.

    I have pretty sophisticated degrees in terms of both European and East Asian culture and history and philosophy and so forth. But I was relatively sort of spotty on South Asian and Middle Eastern history (actually I’m pretty good at the really ancient Near Eastern cultures, but I didn’t study Islam closely, as it comes much later.)

    Do you know what I did the day after 9/11? I went out and bought a Koran and a couple of reliable scholarly volumes on Islamic history, and I sat down and read them. So that I could know what I was talking about. I doubt Hillary Clinton can say the same, she gets her info from Huma late at night.

    hunson abedeer (cacaf3)

  37. Dustin,

    A presidential election is more than just deciding who gets to have a desk in the Oval Office. It’s also about which of the two teams gets to staff the zillions of agencies and bureaucracies with their flunkies.

    Trump doesn’t himself have a campaign, as he’s essentially farming it out to the RNC. That means that for all his huffing and puffing during the primary campaign trail, he’ll be properly navigated by foreign policy experts if he were to become President.
    This notion that the various protections of the nuclear codes are barely more than a joystick click on a video game is just silly hogwash. He can’t just push a button and make Belgium disappear.

    And the RNC and pre-existing Republican rolodex will be relied upon to appoint people to staff the agencies and bureaucracies. So, many of the appointees will probably be very George W. Bush-ish.
    I’d rather have a President Cruz or a President Rubio or a President John Bolton if I can fantasize.
    But a President Hillary is too scary to imagine.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  38. I just began my eighth trip through the confusing and psychotic world of the quran. I also us a book called The Study Quran to get a tad deeper. It is unfortunate that more Christians don’t bother to read the words of dysfunction and hate that is their holy book. It would open their eyes to exactly what moslems are. I also have a book on sharia but haven’t yet ventured into that depravity.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  39. trump wins presidency now! trump should ask clinton obama what does koran say about killing gays.

    koran vs gays (415762)

  40. bomb mecca NOW!

    koran vs gays (415762)

  41. I think Hillary would be a poor president, but on fighting she would be a step up from Obama. Trump, on the other hand, would leave us isolated and economically weak with his trade war smack talk and protectionism.

    You make a cogent argument, Dustin, but here’s where I beg to differ: Hillary! will be more vigorous and active in fighting terrorism than Obama right up until the point where it isn’t in her political interest to be more vigorous and active in fighting terrorism. Just like the Iraq War, she’s for it until she is no longer for it. This is the real problem with electing Hillary! (and, Lord knows, I have my serious issues with the other major party nominee). Like her husband, she happens to be for whatever is polling well at any given moment, but given the opportunity she is happy to throw out the current policy at a moment’s notice when it loses favor, consistency be dammed. Do you think that is helpful to American leadership around the globe? For as awful as Obama has been, at least he has been pretty consistent in his “leading from behind” garbage and has continually signaled that America is no longer going to act like the world’s superpower, no matter what bad actor fills that void.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  42. I also have a book on sharia but haven’t yet ventured into that depravity.
    Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/13/2016 @ 1:07 pm

    I recommend:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915957728/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687682&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0979579481&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=HK0FEFKNTAZSR5SJTYE5

    As a start.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  43. JVW, you hit the nail on the head.

    Hillary, along with many democrats, was PROUDLY in favor of war in Iraq, even before 9/11. But war is hard, and as soon as it became hard, the polls made it painful. Rare is the politician who says Iraq was a good idea, but we lacked follow through. Most of them just say it was a mistake, or even pretend they knew it was a mistake.

    I think this poll following is a dangerous mess, but it’s better than Obama’s apology and weakness tour.

    Hillary at least knows how to act like she’s some kind of iron lady. Obama only got the lady part right (though he appears to be pretty sincere about it).

    So what would a war on terror look like with Hillary? Probably a lot of bombs lobbed from planes, and not enough boots. A lot of Jimmy Carter hopes for super special ninja forces, and not a lot of logistics and time and consequences.

    Not good enough. I don’t mean to suggest otherwise.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  44. Dustin ❤️’s Hillary in 2016, cuz she’s tough as 💩, she’s a real hard ass.

    We’ll see resolve from her when 🐖 fly

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  45. shibboleth means nothing without action, I know consider the source, but look at the pattern,

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/orlando-mosque-tied-to-case-hillarys-state-dept-scrubbed/

    narciso (732bc0)

  46. We need to be more interested in punishing left wingers than we are in punishing RINOs who stray off the reservation.
    The world is on fire. The November election is not a game.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  47. The key words are Islamic Terrorism and she didn’t say them.

    ropelight (596f46)

  48. well max boot and bret stephen, keep looking for the pony, re red queen, they are going to need a hazmat suit,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. Hilary doesn’t follow polls. They either ratify her will or she neuters them.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  50. Dustin makes a good point that Hillary has a more impressive predicate to becoming Commander in Chief than Trump.
    She was so awesome in the way she conducted Benghazi.
    She was an iron lady, just as she was when Bill was “having relations” with 2,000 other women — she stood proud and tall against such behavior.
    We know that Hillary can be trusted as President because she was a stalwart in insisting that her emails about our CIA agents be secured from infiltration by foreign saboteurs.
    It’s just you right wing jerks who keep bringing up the fact that her private server was not only private, but that it was unsecured. You rabble-rousing rabble-rousers!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  51. Donald Trump is a Left-Winger. That is a cold, hard fact.
    Punish away.
    I am.

    John Hitchcock (b441d8)

  52. (CS)And the RNC and pre-existing Republican rolodex will be relied upon to appoint people to staff the agencies and bureaucracies.

    You say that like its a good thing. And you are assuming Trump will actually take their advice. That is far from certain.

    (JVW)Hillary! will be more vigorous and active in fighting terrorism than Obama right up until the point where it isn’t in her political interest to be more vigorous and active in fighting terrorism.

    Same applies to Trump. With the added complication that his choice will depend on whether, when he got out of bed that morning, he wants to be the Tough Guy or the Brilliant Dealmaker.

    (Dustin)Most of them just say it was a mistake, or even pretend they knew it was a mistake.

    In fact, Trump was against the war before most of the politicians were.

    kishnevi (abbfd8)

  53. Why is it when people get in line to lift up Emperor Drumpf that they all end up lying?

    Dustin did not do what the lying Cruz Supporter claimed he did. The lying Cruz Supporter lied about what Dustin was saying, because the lying Cruz Supporter is now fluffing Emperor Drumpf.

    John Hitchcock (b441d8)

  54. Still at it, John?

    ropelight (596f46)

  55. Ah, good, John Hitchcock is back in town.

    You know, I have to thank you and congratulate you for disabusing me of a certain preconception.

    I used to think that it was impossible to accuse idiots of being shallow, because, of course, they were idiots, and shallowness was something actually beyond their reach.

    But you have shown me the light: you are both shallow, and an idiot: you are a shallow idiot, which is something rather interesting, and fascinating, I’ve never actually see it before.

    Take a bow: you are a shallow idiot.

    Kudos.

    hunson abedeer (cacaf3)

  56. actually his turning point was about 2004, in the hot summer of abu ghraib, I guess a little ahead of red queen, but about where the ewok and jonah were,

    narciso (732bc0)

  57. I will settle for papertiger telling us when John H. swore allegiance to Mexico.

    kishnevi (abbfd8)

  58. Mr Hitchcock,

    I’m not following you. What did I lie about?

    And I don’t understand why you’re making a sexual reference to me regarding Trump.
    I’m on record saying that Trump is a crook and a liar, but he’s still a preferential choice to Hillary.
    In WW2, we allied with an evil scumbag by the name of Stalin because at the time, that other evil scumbag Hitler was more internationally aggressive. That didn’t mean we were performing a sex act on Stalin, rather, it just meant he was the lesser of two evils at that moment in history.

    At one time or another, we’ve all worked for (or with) people we disliked, or lived next to neighbors we disliked, or we lived in a sketchy neighborhood we disliked, or we’ve even worn uncomfortable shoes we disliked simply because it was the best available option to us at the time.
    I don’t understand why that’s any different with a Presidential choice.

    Ultimately, your shoes don’t have legal authority over you, but a President does.
    Trump’s better than Hillary. That doesn’t mean that Trump’s great — it just means he’s a little better.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  59. Per Gen. Jack Keane, 5 years ago deaths from radical Islamic terror was just north of 3,000 victims. Last year, deaths were approximately 28,000.

    More of the same from Hillary Clinton is no prescription.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  60. She may say radical islam
    but she is far from sincere

    Joe - From Texas (debac0)

  61. Democrats at the Hillary Clinton subreddit–on Reddit are already plotting on how the Orlando massacre gives them an excuse to fire Comey.

    Danube River Guide (76b104)

  62. “DON’T DO STUPID SH*T: Orlando Terrorist Worked for Same Security Contractor That Has Been Moving Illegal Aliens Into U.S. by the Vanload.

    UPDATE: Glenn’s point from last night, that Mateen “escaped scrutiny because people were afraid of seeming racist or something,” seems particularly apt now.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236181/

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  63. “FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMED: Law Enforcement Training Simply No Longer Teaches That Jihadists Might Target Gays — because John Brennan and Obama purged ‘offensive’ training material.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236171/

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  64. So, I suppose that all of the Muslims are going around condemning all Christians, since that’s our major religion, and we killed tens of thousands of their people in Iraq, and maybe they’re not, you know, politically correct either. If you’re trying to start a bloodbath, go ahead and condemn 1.6 billion people, based upon the actions of a few of them.

    Tillman (a95660)

  65. if you are not even allowed to identify the dots, like shibly, robertson, et al, how can you connect them,

    narciso (732bc0)

  66. Ya know Dustin and kishnevi, there’s a big difference between arguing that Hillary! and Trump are both terrible candidates and being #4Hillary!. Most of us here feel we have to vote for Trump because Hillary’s a communist. You seem to think you have to vote for Hillary! because Trump’s an idiot.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  67. “Related: Hillary Evolves, Now Willing to Cite ‘Radical Islam’ as Problem.

    As recently as December of 2015, CNN was covering for Hillary with headlines such as “Clinton explains why she won’t say ‘radical Islam.’”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236166/

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  68. Hillary and Obama are still going on about guns today… trying to absolve themselves for their lack of guts.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  69. it doesn’t mean anything if their policies do not actively consider what radical islam entails,

    narciso (732bc0)

  70. Just say “Hell no!” to deadly ignorance.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  71. of course there’s a squirrel or two,

    https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/742407816602877953

    narciso (732bc0)

  72. I think I was pretty clear that I do not want Hillary to be president, but in my opinion isn’t as bad as Trump, who approves of the Tienanmen Square massacre, holds the same democrat political views but flip flopped (and lied) about those views in a GOP primary, and when interviewed off the teleprompter doesn’t know the most basic facts about foreign affairs (or really anything).

    Haiku and Cruz Supporter don’t have any credibility when they promote a republican over a democrat. I don’t say that to insult them, but clearly they are looking at the party label and not the people.

    Trump is to the left of Clinton, historically. He’s praised every left wing thing. Cruz Supporter sarcastically mentioned Benghazi in her typical empty way, but Trump praised Hillary as Secretary of State after that happened, and he has absolutely no experience. Hillary did plenty wrong in the preparation and cover-up of that disaster, but it’s Obama who made the call not to send rescue. That’s the real disaster. In a way, Trump is worse than Hillary because he praises her for a mistake she probably argued against.

    Haiku was calling Hillary a demon the other day. Some Republicans really do think the republic will collapse any time their party doesn’t win. I heard this stuff when Romney was nominated, and while it’s unfortunate he didn’t win, the republic moves on. This year the difference between the candidates is experience and class, and not much else.

    BTW, Cruz Supporter, what is the relevance of Bill Clinton’s sexual history to Hillary’s foreign policy? Do you usually blame the wife for that stuff? If you thought about it for a second, you probably wouldn’t bring that stuff up, given Trump has a much worse history than Bill does, with worse rape accusations, admitted adultery, smearing women routinely, and even praising himself for ditching the aging mother of his kids for a ‘hot piece of ass’ employee.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  73. if you are not even allowed to identify the dots, like shibly, robertson, et al, how can you connect them,
    narciso (732bc0) — 6/13/2016 @ 2:25 pm

    Exactly.
    zu
    Because if it is decreed from upon high that Islam can not, must not, have anything to do with terrorism, well then. You can go ahead and namer your shiny on lined magazine Dabiq. Because it’s illegal for your enemies to grasp the reference.

    I’m an intel anlayst. I don’t know what Dabiq means because it is FREAKING illegal.

    How nice is that? Far be it from me to know Islamic end-times theology.

    Yeah, like that wouldn’t be helpful to know. And maybe, here’s a thought, just throwing this out as a maybe, I’d get the references they’re, you know, referring to. If I read their Bible.

    Just saying.

    Dumb#$$ me, it’s the kind of thing that pops into my head while smart people like Barack Obama are studying me and my bitter clingenship and my Bible humping gun-groping xenophobia.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  74. I think it shows a profound disrespect, not to learn about the enemy, except for whatever propaganda, they decide to put out,

    one example is the eid dinner, three days after benghazi, that happened in a whole different month, they don’t reschedule these things,

    narciso (732bc0)

  75. I don’t know how it is possible to display more ignorance than Tillman did but it is possible I’ll nominate it for a medal.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  76. Ya know Dustin and kishnevi, there’s a big difference between arguing that Hillary! and Trump are both terrible candidates and being #4Hillary!. Most of us here feel we have to vote for Trump because Hillary’s a communist. You seem to think you have to vote for Hillary! because Trump’s an idiot.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

    Hillary is not a communist. She actually used to be a Goldwater supporter. She has evolved into a shell of a person, merely following her ambition, long tied to the democrats despite starting out as a libertarianish republican. She doesn’t have actual politics. She has the poll tested plan to get her segment of the vote. She would govern as an establishment centrist, which would be awesome except she’s also a thoroughly corrupt criminal.

    You want communist, take a look at Donald Trump, who is here from the government and he’s here to help. When the Communist Dictator Deng Xiaoping put down the 1989 Democracy Movement, the PRC military killed people. Trump praised that very communist decision.

    If you look at today’s democrat and think you see a communist monster, then you are ungrateful to live in this wonderful country. We have plenty of very serious problems, but we are not in a dictatorship right now.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  77. Dustin, again you start with you’re not for Hillary! then immediately launch into a barrage about Trump and how he’s worse. So you are #4Hillary! and prefer a phuking communist over an idiot falsely believing the communist to be less dangerous. The history of communists disagrees with you. She will deliberately shred what’s left of the Constitution because she will have that type of political power backed by the media and pushed by the momentum Obama provided, but by then it will be too late.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  78. I think it shows a profound disrespect, not to learn about the enemy, except for whatever propaganda, they decide to put out,…

    narciso (732bc0) — 6/13/2016 @ 2:48 pm

    As if Muslims have no agency. Call me all the names you want, but I at least believe a Muslim can grow up. And be held accountable. And I intend to do so.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  79. The sniping back-and-forth among conservatives evidenced on this thread and pretty much every other on this blog in the past couple of months is exactly why we are doomed in November. And yeah, our candidate sucks in pretty much the same ways that their candidate sucks, but going round and round accusing each other of bad faith isn’t going to make government any smaller and more efficient, isn’t going to restore Constitutional principles, isn’t going to rally this country to defeat the evil of radical Islamism.

    Barack Obama is the biggest political genius of all time. He’s set us on a course for disaster yet he has wrecked both parties so thoroughly that neither of them are going to be able to do a damn thing about it.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  80. yes she was a goldwater girl then took up carl oglesby’s missives, did her dissertation on alinski, her part at yale law, slandering ‘pigs’ the watergate committee, yadda yadda,

    narciso (732bc0)

  81. Rev., Hillary is a commie. Granted.

    But DJT doesn’t give a sh*t. So he’s not a step up. I don’t see how I’m better off with the communist or the guy who brags about his willingness to make a deal with the communist.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  82. If you look at today’s democrat and think you see a communist monster,

    That is precisely what I see. Ask Hillary what the difference between a democrat and a socialist is. Crickets. Now as the same of a communist. More crickets. The communist party of the United States backs and supports Hillary Clinton. Hillary is a communist!

    then you are ungrateful to live in this wonderful country.

    Are you going to start challenging my patriotism now like you have my courage? Don’t make me list all the things I’ve done for my country and the sacrifices I’ve made for her.

    We have plenty of very serious problems, but we are not in a dictatorship right now.

    That’s correct we’re not a dictatorship right now but keep voting for communists and that will change.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  83. So you are #4Hillary! and prefer a phuking communist over an idiot falsely believing the communist to be less dangerous.

    Hoagie, it’s like choosing between a shit sandwich and a vomit sandwich. It may be that it has to come down to one or the other in order for survival’s sake, and it’s possible to argue that one of them is tastier in theory than the other, but that doesn’t mean either one is appetizing.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  84. no, he’s ignorant and he has axelrod do the dirty work, like unsealing divorce records, throwing up astroturf, farms out legislation like obamacare to the apollo alliance and ex con robert creamer, has searchlight and norma desmond wrap it up, and none’s the wizer,

    he does have a wurlitzer in the press, his own peanut gallery, part of which is the journolist,

    narciso (732bc0)

  85. The sniping back-and-forth among conservatives evidenced on this thread and pretty much every other on this blog in the past couple of months is …

    JVW (eabb2a) — 6/13/2016 @ 3:00 pm

    Maybe we should have huddled and had this out earlier.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  86. ‘gentlemen, there’s no fighting in the war room’

    narciso (732bc0)

  87. I don’t see how I’m better off with the communist or the guy who brags about his willingness to make a deal with the communist.

    Steve57, our country and the entire free world has been dealing and making deals with communists since before WWI. That’s a lot different than living under them. It’s a lot different than putting one in charge of our military, finances, culture and laws. Think about it, you’ll see I’m right.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  88. “Haiku was calling Hillary a demon the other day.”

    Criminal Demoness Dowager, Dustin. Get it right.

    And yet one more example of the cyborg-like lack of humor, lol.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  89. TRUMP ON OBAMA: “We’re led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind:”

    “And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot — they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can’t even mention the words radical Islamic terrorism. There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236151/

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  90. I will settle for papertiger telling us when John H. swore allegiance to Mexico.

    kishnevi (abbfd8) — 6/13/2016 @ 2:09 pm

    You want me to search it out? At least six months ago. Maybe a search for “Hitchcock + liar” would be a time saver.
    Ouch. About 295,000 results

    It’s not worth it, kish.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  91. Yeah, JVW is right. I am so tired of arguing to get the Republican conservatives here to vote for a liberal (most of the time) democrat to stop a communist from being President. I’m gettin’ old and need a lung. My best fightin’ days are past. Besides, I think all I’m doing is trying to hold back high tide with a sand castle.

    Oh, and Dustin, when almost 50% of the voting public are living off government checks we are about as close to a dictatorship of the majority as we can get before we loose the ability to maintain the laws that make us a Constitutional Republic. You see, once 51% of “the people” can pass laws to benefit themselves without consideration for the minority we will be in a dictatorship.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  92. cacaf3 is Christoph. Ignore it.

    nk (dbc370)

  93. Tillman is a drooling imbecile.

    JD (2e3880)

  94. yes, but that’s just a day ending in y,

    narciso (732bc0)

  95. I agree with narciso that the one is not brilliant,
    he is only an Alinskyite, beholden to the whims of their master,
    who is indeed quite brilliant and crafty and has been perfecting lying for millennia.

    Ya gotta serve somebody, and the Dems said it sure wasn’t going to be the God with a capital G.
    And too many are happy to sell their souls for a bowl of the soup of the day.

    MD in Philly (cf3c76)

  96. Obama’s mincing assurances that America can absorb these attacks by “misguided”, “hate-filled” individuals because he’s both more intelligent and tougher than they are ring pretty hollow in the wake of announcements that our government has all too often had the sons of b*tches under investigation and in their grasp before turning them loose.

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  97. it just strikes me, doc, you see his tardy statement, yesterday, and his remarks today, and they utterly disconnected from reality, but you see the times, the journal, usa today, treat it as a rational account,

    narciso (732bc0)

  98. Dustin,

    Hillary Clinton’s not responsible for Bill committing acts of rape or other sexual assault against women.
    But she is responsible for publicly smearing those women and using her power to work against their ability to have a fair day in court.
    It’s particularly reprehensible when she’s held herself up as a paragon of virtue and an icon of female empowerment.

    The reason she smeared those women is because their accusations against her husband were standing in the way of Clinton Glory.
    We all remember the alleged “right wing conspiracy against my husband,” eh?

    Something to contemplate is that we’re not choosing between candidate X VS “perfection.”
    Rather, we’re choosing between candidate X and candidate Y, and they’re both imperfect.
    Ronald Reagan and Calvin Coolidge and Grover Cleveland are not going to be on the ballot, so we can can only choose from among whose names do appear. And the winner gets to govern over us, whether we like it or not.

    So we can have nice theoretical debates in June, but in November, there’s gonna be some high stakes involved. It’s going to be higher stakes than just throwing ping-pong balls into goldfish bowls at the county fair.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  99. Just to be clear, I don’t mind the arguments, but when it devolves into name-calling then it’s just a waste of everyone’s time.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  100. Wait a sec… the stupid would be president bitch did NOT say “radical Islam”…. she ain’t gonna say it.

    She said “Radical Islamism”…. It depends on what the meaning of “ism” is!!

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  101. “There is no sound on earth as beautiful as the Mooslim call to prayer.” Barack Obama

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  102. JVW,

    Sniping on the right isn’t the problem. Trump’s inability and unwillingness to do anything to unite the right is the problem. Trump doesn’t care if consefvatives vote for him:

    “I think it would be better if it were unified, I think there would be something good about it, but I don’t actually think it has to be unified,” he said.

    The presumptive GOP nominee said that he can win without the backing of the full party by drawing Democratic voters, specifically supporters of Bernie Sanders.

    Trump would rather have socialists voting for him than conservatives.

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. But I agree the name-calling is a sure sign that nothing important will be said.

    DRJ (15874d)

  104. DRJ,

    That may well be a simple acknowledgement by Trump of differences in intelligence, credulity and gullibility. He certainly knows his marks.

    Rick Ballard (45aac8)

  105. This is the news you choose to post today? That Hillary has finally decided to use a phrase rather than the contrast between the substance of her speech and the speech of that other candidate running for president?

    Why should we readers be surprised? LOL

    Ya vol! Heil! NeverTrump! heh heh heh

    School Marm (f96753)

  106. a liberal (most of the time) democrat
    Rev Hoagie, that is how you see Trump

    I see a corrupt authoritarian, and frankly there is little difference between him and the unavowed communist. He will shred the Constitution as much as she will. And he’ll wheel and deal with the Democrats and give us Potemkin villages that will be so great…..And he won’t know which way is up when he is in the Oval Office. And we won’t be able to depend on his staff to get things done right, because what he wants for staff is not people who might oppose his ideas when wrong, but yes-men who don’t care if his ideas are right or wrong.

    I refuse to vote for a candidate who is obviously unfit for office. Both Trump and Hillary are obviously unfit so I will vote for Johnson.

    I think in fact Trump will do more long-term damage than Clinton…and that it is even more important to elect a conservative Congress if he is elected. Think of it this way: would you rather have President Trump making deals with Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Warren, or with Speaker Ryan and Majority Leader McConnell?

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  107. Beating Hillary is not important for the GOP. If it was they’d be looking for another candidate. Their main goal is to destroy the small-government wing of their party and with Trump vs Clinton they win either way.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  108. “There is no sound on earth as beautiful as the Mooslim call to prayer.” Barack Obama

    Pts (ce7fc3) — 6/13/2016 @ 4:14 pm

    Hey! It’s MUSlims… get it right!

    http://media.jrn.com/images/rockybullwinkle19p.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (1cc715)

  109. No, Haiku…. Obama the Fearless says “Mooslims”

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  110. I will always have a soft spot for New Mexico.

    I stopped off in Las Cruces and I ran out of cash.

    And the stripper took me up to the bar and tarbender was like, “So, you want 200 dollars in funny money.”

    I was like, “No, she does.”

    And we all laughed.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  111. Actually long U is the precise pronunciation.

    But Mussalman (long U again)and Mohammadan are the original Anglophone terms, even if now obsolete.

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  112. It was the dive off of the Red Roof Inn on I-8.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  113. things that make you go hmm.

    https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/742504752320106496

    narciso (732bc0)

  114. Maybe that was El Paso.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  115. The presumptive GOP nominee said that he can win without the backing of the full party by drawing Democratic voters, specifically supporters of Bernie Sanders.

    That wouldn’t be such a bad outcome, because:

    1. It denies Hillary! the Presidency.
    2. Sanders supporters would get played like the suckers they are.
    3. Conservatives — I’m looking at you GOP Congress — would owe absolutely nothing to the new President.
    4. We could get rid of him in a primary come 2020.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  116. I don’t remember stopping in El Paso.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  117. School Marm – nobody is stopping you from posting whatever you wish on your blog.

    JD (2e3880)

  118. it was that wrong turn at albuquerque no doubt,

    narciso (732bc0)

  119. Except for that time for the elephant boots at Tony Lama.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  120. The FBI had a file on him.
    The FBI was aware of him.
    The FBI had watched him.
    The FBI had interviewed him once.
    The FBI had interviewed him once again.
    The FBI had interviewed him repeatedly.
    The FBI knew of his job.
    The FBI knew of his training.
    The FBI knew he was familiar with firearms.
    The FBI knew of his travels overseas.
    The FBI knew of his politics.
    The FBI had his name on a list.
    And the FBI knew his name:

    Lee Harvey Oswald.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  121. No, narciso it would either be Deming or Las Cruces.

    Albuquerque being off my beaten track.

    I’ve stopped to take a leak in both towns.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  122. This is the news you choose to post today? That Hillary has finally decided to use a phrase rather than the contrast between the substance of her speech and the speech of that other candidate running for president?

    You act as if every discussion about Hillary! has to be placed within the context of what her main opponent thinks and does. It does not, and your contribution to this discussion is useless. As JD notes, you are free to have that discussion on your own blog.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  123. it was a joke, steve, from the old bugs bunny cartoon,

    narciso (732bc0)

  124. “it was that wrong turn at albuquerque no doubt”

    Well it wasn’t exactly perfectly rephrased, but narciso gets madddd credz for citing a great Bugs Bunny joke.

    hunson abedeer (cacaf3)

  125. yes, I got the gist of it,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TUwHTfOOU

    narciso (732bc0)

  126. I stand corrected.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  127. My bad. How could anyone be serious about New Mexico.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  128. I tried to read Trump’s speech. But my irony meter broke too soon—when I got to the statement that she does not have the temperament or integrity to be President. He has even less.

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  129. just trying to break the tension,

    narciso (732bc0)

  130. And notice his actual policy promise consisted of a promise to use a sweeping presidential power, with no regard of what Congress should, or at least could, do.

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  131. kishnevi, I agree with much of what you say @107. And frankly I’m tired of going around and around with this crap. We are all going to vote the way we each think is best. One last point about the difference between the “corrupt authoritarian” and the “unavowed communist” if when the communist comes to power she brings with her the entire news media and Hollywood assuring the citizens of this nation get a daily barrage of leftist propaganda disguised as “news” and “entertainment”. Trump can’t do that. They hate him. Plus if Trump is elected that a-hole Rosie O’Donnell will leave the USA. That’s enough to convince me.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  132. Bugs Bunny would be a better President.

    And Scrooge McDuck for VP, so the campaign can self finance.

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  133. I believe the correct literal phrasing is, “I musta taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque.”

    The other great one, of course, is “(PUZZLED) Hmm. Dis doesn’t look like Pismo Beach.” When I finally actually did visit Pismo Beach in person for the first time, I was amazed at how pleasant it was.

    The Iron Law of American Presidential Politics is this: Bugs Bunny always wins, and Elmer Fudd always loses. (Sarah Palin made a huge, gigantic mistake by getting into presidential politics before she was ready, but if she had waited another term, built up her rep and done her homework, she would have easily been Bugs Bunny.) I think we might be in for an Elmer Fudd upset this time, because this will be THE absolutely most crooked election in history: the Dems will make sure that even the dead from 1790 will vote Dem to make sure Hitlery wins. The Dems want to make it absolutely clear that the historical American populace is permanently defeated and subjugated, and they will do ANYTHING to make sure that their will is understood. Frankly I’m astonished that Hitlery hasn’t put out an actual contract on Trump, that’s how desperate they are to crush whites. Get ready for President Hitlery, and the inevitable civil war she will instigate.

    hunson abedeer (cacaf3)

  134. ah, you miss the point, the dems touted yeargh dean, from teeny vermont, and hayseed razorback just because, her reform credentials didnt matter, beldar could give you chapter and verse about that, when the opposition decides to take a dive, and you’re not in on the scam, also don jones crafted the narrative that ‘norma desmond ‘ and ‘dr. evil’ whispered to halperin and heileman, who I’ve dubbed rosencrantz and guildenstern,

    narciso (732bc0)

  135. and this has made their career with ‘julianne’s bender, that adulatory follow up about 2012,
    the bloomberg show, the one on showtime, laundering lies is no bar to advancement in the press,

    narciso (732bc0)

  136. The Yum Pla Muk haz landed

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  137. Don’t forget Bugs and Perth Amboy.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  138. KURT SCHLICHTER: So, What Difference Does It Make?

    “Nothing matters. No one cares. LOL.

    Do you know why Donald Trump is defying the odds, defying the predictions of doom and defeat? Yes, by the time this runs, the people gleefully thinking that the tempest in the margarita glass that is the whole Trump U judge thing will FINALLY BRING DONALD DOWN! are going to realize, once again, that nothing matters.

    No one cares.

    LOL.

    Someone else came up with the “Nothing matters. LOL” formulation to describe this election year, and he deserves a nice shiny quarter, unless he is a Hillary Clinton fan in which case someone should smack him for supporting that cancer on our Constitution.

    And he can also thank himself and his idiot ilk for helping bring us to this point. Without the avalanche of distraction, hypocrisy, willful ignorance, and outright lies that the liberal elite and their human centipede press corps employed over the last few decades to ensure their corrupt, mouth-breathing, and/or perverted Democrat heroes are never held accountable, Trump would not be possible. We might still care about quaint things like character, competence, and not being a loathsome piece of human refuse.

    But we don’t. Not anymore.

    Hillary’s formulation of “Nothing matters, no one cares” is just a little different. For her, it’s “What difference, at this point, does it make?” You know, that comment she made when some congressmen – not including any Democrats – tried to hold her to account for getting four Americans killed and lying to not only their families’ faces but to our faces about it.

    And the people who aren’t in Hillary’s trick bag are supposed to care that Trump’s a jerk?

    They don’t, by and large. Sure, Trump makes what we conservatives all agree is a distasteful comment insinuating that a federal judge’s rulings would be governed by an inherited characteristic, in this case his ethnicity. The mainstream media goes nuts at how horrible Trump is for assuming that an inherited characteristic might govern someone’s actions in public office. Then a day later, the media experiences a collective climax over the fact that a woman has been nominated, and they think it’s great because that inherited characteristic will govern her actions in public office.”

    When the “have you no decency?” crowd demonstrates an utter lack of decency every single day, its complaints lose their sting.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236149/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. I never forget, hoagie.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  140. You want I should tell you about Navajo at Rendell Island?

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  141. it’s like the concert sounds at the climax of world war z, rousing the zombies,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/paris-hostage-situation-after-man-kills-policeman/

    narciso (732bc0)

  142. Well, I am going to tell you about her anyway.

    http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/39/39064.htm

    Rennel. My bad.

    Navajo Class Fleet Tug:
    Laid down, 12 December 1938, at Bethlehem Shipbuilding Corp., Staten Island, N.Y.
    Launched, 17 August 1939
    Commissioned, USS Navajo (AT-64), 26 January 1940, LCDR. Myron E. Thomas USN, in command
    During World War II USS Navajo was assigned to the Asiatic-Pacific Theater and participated in the following campaigns/actions:

    Pearl Harbor, 7 December 1941
    Rennel Island, 29 to 30 January 1943
    USS Navajo – salvage operations

    My dad served in Cherokee. Sister ship.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  143. right when pee-stank is going all islamic terrorism

    the narrative the left is glomming onto is that omar was a repressed homo

    this is such a sad weird useless little country anymore

    happyfeet (831175)

  144. She’s probably thinking “All that money they could have given me instead! And make me look bad on top of it!”

    BTW, your code words are confusing me. Who is razorback? And norma desmond/dr evil for that matter….

    kishnevi (b1c03d)

  145. poor georgie was such a pitiful failure on the terrorism issue

    and then food stamp actually lowered the bar

    quite substantially

    i think whether it’s Mr. Trump or h-stank we’re gonna do better

    how could we not

    it’d be awesome if terrorism was even in the top ten of our sad cowardly little country’s list of problems

    but, sadly

    happyfeet (831175)

  146. razorback is bill clinton, norma desmond is nicolle wallace, because she saw things that didn’t happen, dr. evil is steve schmidt, stumpy beedy eyed,

    narciso (732bc0)

  147. It kinda seems like he was a closeted homosexual, from what I’m seeing. How is that a narrative that the left is glomming onto, as opposed to a reasonable conclusion from the available facts?

    Patterico (fb172b)

  148. Or at least, he might have been.

    He also might have been staking people out. But using a gay dating app? It’s not a crazy idea that he was gay-curious.

    Patterico (fb172b)

  149. this is failmerica Mr. P

    we have closeted homos out the wing-wang

    duggars and romneys and paul ryan oh my plus lindsey graham and jeff flake and ben sasse

    but you need special fairy dust to make GAY NIGHTCLUB ABATTOIR

    and that dust is islamism my friend

    happyfeet (831175)

  150. perhaps, then like the 9/11 hijackers, and at least one other plotter, the lebanese one that wanted to take out the path, he just wanted to blend in?

    narciso (732bc0)

  151. Thanks, narciso.

    There is so much sewage in the Cloaca Clintona it’s hard to remember which piece of fecal matter is which.

    kishnevi (b1c03d)

  152. I’m rather pleased with the slow yet reasonably thorough progress being made by moderate Mahometans in not only killing ISIS idiots but imposing additional costs on the populations which have given the idiots at least tacit support for their rule of terror. The sieges of Fallujah, Raqqa and Mosul are relatively loose but the supporting populations are having an appropriate price exacted for providing support. I also appreciate the moderate Mahometans efficacy in the application of ‘if it moves,kill it’ ROE in contrast to the US catch and release pattycake ROE. Recidivism seems to be on the wane under moderate Mahometan ROE and the concurrent reduction in complaints regarding ill treatment of prisoners is an additional benefit.

    I haven’t seen any news reports of eager recruits flocking to serve under the murderers black banner for some time. It’s almost as if there has been a significant change in potential recruits analysis of the cost/benefit involved.

    Rick Ballard (45aac8)

  153. Not like wikipedia is dispositive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rennell_Island#Action_on_29_January

    …Halsey immediately took steps to try to protect Chicago, notifying the escort carriers to make sure they had a CAP in place at first light, ordering the Enterprise task force to approach and augment the escort carrier CAP, and sending the fleet tug Navajo to take over the tow from Louisville, which was accomplished at 08:00.[24] Between daybreak and 14:00, numerous Japanese scout aircraft approached TF 18. Although they were all chased away by the CAP, they observed and reported the position of Chicago. At 12:15, a force of 11 Type 1 torpedo bombers from the 751 Air Group (751AG), based at Kavieng and staging through Buka, launched to attack the damaged U.S. cruiser

    …One torpedo hit the destroyer USS La Vallette in her forward engine room, killing 22 of her crew and causing heavy damage. Chicago was hit by four torpedoes, one forward of the bridge and three others in her engineering spaces. Captain Ralph O. Davis of Chicago ordered the ship to be abandoned, and she sank, stern first, 20 minutes later. Navajo and the escorting destroyers rescued 1,049 survivors from Chicago,[30] but 62 of her crew died.[31] A final attack force of Japanese torpedo bombers failed to find the remaining U.S. ships. Navajo took La Vallette under tow…/blockquote>

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  154. Find comfort where you can, Clinton acolytes… http://youtu.be/p99a6K81zqM

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  155. I’m familiar with morrison, but I didn’t know about tagaya’s account.

    narciso (732bc0)

  156. Buggs could get to anywhere from a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

    It’s all delusional, narciso,
    the emperor’s new clothes in reality,
    and the young boys get there mouths slapped shut when they try to state the obvious.

    MD in Philly (cf3c76)

  157. it was a travesty that it went through in the first place,

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/13/court-throws-out-1-8-million-judgment-against-american-sniper-chris-kyles-estate/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_cp-americansniper-414pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

    yes, bugs is a valuable lense to see the absurdity of this world, he did see to epitomize kipling’s ‘if’ whereas a whole host of figures, can be in daffy’s shoes,

    narciso (732bc0)

  158. Patterico: “It kinda seems like he was a closeted homosexual, from what I’m seeing.”

    Not impossible. I think it’s still probably too early to draw conclusions, we don’t know enough yet, but that doesn’t seem out of the park. Just as a guess, I’d say it might be rather complex: something like a bizarre-but-not-unpredictable traffic-accident of closeted homosexual, plus an inability to process homosexual urges in a positive way (I know lots of gay men who lead healthy, solid, productive lives, but a lot of times they had to fight their way to it, it was a struggle they bravely fought and won), plus on-the-kooky-side Islamic theological teachings which went without good refutation, plus uncomfortable non-Westerner stuck in a Western world, plus all sorts of other baggage.

    The greater lesson is that not everybody in the world is compatible with the West, not everybody is a pre-Westerner just waiting for his stamp, not everybody should live here, and not everybody ought to live here. Nor can we accommodate everybody in the world. Lots and lots of people want to live with us not because they like us or admire us (in fact they despise us), but simply because we have nice stuff and they want to take it for themselves. Get that through your heads.

    hunson abedeer (cacaf3)

  159. Hahahahahaha… HA!!!

    I’M NOT ACTUALLY SURE IF THIS IS MY TOP TWEET EVER, BUT IT’S GOT TO BE IN THE TOP THREE:

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236209/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  160. Yes, Midway comes to mind. But How do I let a spring day go by without giving a nod to Bill Overstreet?

    http://www.warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/W-Berlin-Express-B.jpg

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  161. hornfischer, who isn’t referred to the wiki, has a follow up about the rest of the pacific naval campaign, coming up.

    narciso (732bc0)

  162. Hoagie, if you’re interested I did toast you at dinner, and offer a prayer to your health.

    I suck at this because Jesus taught that only tax collector justified himself in the eyes of God, not the Pharisee.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  163. R.I.P. Janet Waldo, voice of Judy Jetson

    R.I.P. Chips Moman, producer of Elvis Presley’s 1969 album, From Elvis in Memphis, and the hit songs “In the Ghetto,” “Suspicious Minds” and “Kentucky Rain”

    Icy (416737)

  164. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTRjVK46xQ4

    BT1 Andrew T. Gallagher

    You can keep your Ivy league education I’ll take the high school grad who knows what valves to shut off any day of the week.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  165. it looks like they ran into a kraken, is that was a collission with a carrier looks like?

    narciso (732bc0)

  166. Hang in there, Hoagie! I have a feeling things will soon improve.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. That’s what a collision at sea looks like. Don’t know if an aircraft carrier necessarily needs to be involved.

    If you’re familiar with the events surrounding the Battle of Midway, it was not pretty with the Mogami and the Mikuma.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  168. Although the most obviously damaged ship wasn’t the one to die. Which, speaks to the importance of damage control. Not a specialty of the offense-minded Imperial Japanese Navy.

    But critical nonetheless, the exception proving the rule.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  169. http://ww2db.com/ship_spec.php?ship_id=39

    World War II Database – Mikuma

    … During the Battle of Midway, she was under the command of Rear Admiral Takeo Kurita; after the Japanese carrier fleet was routed, Kurita’s task force was recalled to rendezvous with Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto to the west, but the fleet was sighted by American submarine Tambor. During emergency maneuvers to avoid a possible torpedo attack by American submarine Tambor, Mikuma and other ships in her group turned violently. As she avoided being hit by cruiser Kumano, she sailed directly in the path of Mogami, which rammed her. Mikuma’s heavy armor lessened the damage, but the port side fuel tank was ruptured, leaving thick oil trail as she sailed; Mogami’s bow was crushed, crumpled up for about 40 feet. The two ships slowed to about twelve knots while the other two ships, along with Kurita, continued to steam full speed toward the rendezvous point; although Mikuma was capable of steaming at a high speed, Captain Shakao Sakiyama chose to stay behind to escort the damaged sister ship. On 6 Jun 1942, the trail of leaking oil brought aircraft from American carriers Enterprise and Hornet. After damage by three attack waves and damage from the explosion of her own torpedoes, she sank…

    The damage control officer in the more badly damaged Mogami ditched the torpedos. Dumped them over the side. Not a popular move, but it made all the difference.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  170. Also, an not like anybody will find themselves in this situation. But Damage Control Central is a good place to headquarter yourself should terrorists attack your ship. Which makes perfect sense if you think about it.

    And, NO, I’m not making any claim to bravery. I trained for a lot of things that never happened.

    I got a perfect score in a ship’s security reaction force training evolution because I happened to be hit with the blue paint ball. And I was wearing blue cover alls.

    Story of my life. I guess I was born lucky.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  171. Nobody knew it. I didn’t even know it. It was only later when I was changing out of the cover alls and I felt something sticky. And I’m thinking, “That’s weird. What is that?”

    You think I would have notice something as it was a freezing cold Decembrr BRRRrrr Norfolk Navy day, and the paint ball was frozen solid. But, nope. I had my adrenalin up I guess.

    We went back inside, debriefed, and I’m stripping off the coveralls and, goo on my hand. Total loss how it got there.

    My Brush With Greatness.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  172. http://destroyerhistory.org/assets/coldwar/ddg002charlesfadams_01.jpg

    Not this exact boat, but I got “shot” on one of these type destroyers.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  173. In. Not on.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  174. Yeah, he was gay.

    Meaning, likely, that the hateful teachings of his religion became something he couldn’t deal with.

    Patterico (fb172b)

  175. 1 Corinthians 6

    10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed…

    I don’t know how much it matters to you, theologically, Pat. But the idea of salvation and for that matter being made in God’s Image is lacking in Islam.

    So, talk all you want about homophobia and Christianity. But, there is a but. Not a pun.

    But in Islam the only way out is martyrdom.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  176. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjZlmsb4A

    My Israeli chicks.

    Note the Warn Winch.

    A-WA – Habib Galbi – Official Video

    It brings a tear to my eye.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  177. Hoagie, I think we just see it differently. Trump is openly asking socialists to vote for him, and he’s said Hillary would be a great president. Trump also praises dictators being thuggish to dissent. If Hillary really were a communist rather than pandering to the left because the democrat brand is on the left, that makes Trump a communist supporter almost as much as his support of actual communists would.

    I do not just reject Trump because he’s an idiot.

    You are right that when you say Hillary is terrible I reply to say Trump is worse. You seem to think that’s bizarre, but to we already agree that Hillary is terrible. What’s there to discuss? The election is about which of these awful candidates is worse. To me, it’s actually an easy decision. Both will govern poorly, but Hillary will govern by poll for a big corrupt goverment. Trump will do that too but is capable of bona fide atrocities, and I prefer he not become the most powerful man in the free world. The potential for suck is a lot more limited with yet another centrist democrat.

    To some, democrat is synonymous with demon communist who prays for America to be destroyed, but that’s just something partisan Rs tell eachother to keep themselves up at night. They are not pure evil.

    Anyway, neither of us are likely to change heart on this, and there’s no hard feelings intended. No need to get bent out of shape. The real damage was done with Trump got the time of day from the other candidates and the conservative media when all patriots should have loudly said “HELL NO”.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  178. 16. Colonel Haiku (1cc715) — 6/13/2016 @ 12:00 pm

    HER CAMPAIGN’S OVERNIGHT POLLS MUST HAVE COME IN: “Hillary Clinton changed her tune Monday and referred to the Orlando massacre as a result of ‘radical Islamism,’ a sharp break from President Obama, who has declined to use the term.”

    Also, the New York Daily News editorial on Monday included these lines:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/saving-lives-orlando-article-1.2671641

    Addressing the nation Sunday in exceedingly muted tones, Obama rightly labeled the crime both an act of “terror” and “hate” — while nonsensically skirting the fact that the terror and hate are not free-floating. He — and unfortunately presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton — denies reality by refusing to use the words “Islamic” and “terror” together out of an excess of religious sensitivity.

    The New York Daily News is so anti Trump or pro-Hillary (not so much other Democrats) at least when she seems to be doing all right in the polls, that it made a front page story Saturday out of George Senator David Perdue offering a mock prayer for Predient Obama at an event at which Donald Trump was speaker, and where he was immediately followed by Senator Mitch McConnell.

    He had said let us all pray like Psalm 109:8, which goes:

    “Let his days be few; let another take his office” in one translation.

    The rest of the Psalm really doesn’t fit, and it would seem to call for his death, too, and for his children to suffer:

    http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt26a9.htm

    Sammy Finkelman (be1e2f)

  179. By the way, Hillary didn’t say “radical Islamic” but “radical Islamism” They are not exactly the same.

    By the way, the Daily News front page story on Sunday was about another murder in Orlando – that of former “The Voice” contestant Christina Grimmie – at an autograph session after a concert on Friday night.

    Sammy Finkelman (be1e2f)

  180. “Actually long U is the precise pronunciation.”

    Pardon me a moment for a tedious linguistics lecture. We are speaking English, not Arabic. “Muslim” with a long U is an Arabic word denoting a person who practices a religion called Islam. “Muslim” with a short U is an English word denoting same. Calling this religion in English “IZlam” instead of Arabic “IssLAM”, or saying “JIhad” instead of “dzhiHAD” simply means we are speaking English. Nobody here calls Germany “Deutschland” and nobody calls China “Chung Kuo” and nobody even calls France “FrAHNCE”. In English, we have a word “Mexico”, which denotes a country which its own inhabitants call “MAY-hee-ko.” But we are not speaking Spanish, we are speaking English. And hopefully will continue to do so.

    /tediousness

    it came from the nightosphere (cacaf3)

  181. OK, now it’s time to ask Hillary if she can say Phony video tape, or illegal private server, or Bribes in the form of ‘speaking fees.’

    ropelight (596f46)

  182. “To some, democrat is synonymous with demon communist who prays for America to be destroyed, but that’s just something partisan Rs tell eachother to keep themselves up at night. They are not pure evil.”

    Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

    Colonel Haiku (fc9aef)


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