Patterico's Pontifications

6/1/2016

Part Two: Hillary Lies About Emails, Trump Lies About Veteran Fundraising

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:34 am

So PolitiFact has finally ruled a Hillary statement about her emails false, based on the Inspector General report. The statement was: “It was allowed” — referring to her practice of using purely personal email and a private server for all government discussion including classified information. It wasn’t. Larry O’Connor at Hot Air points out that Politi(cized)Fact could have reached this conclusion months earlier, but needed the fig leaf of the IG report because they are lefties.

We can’t elect someone this dishonest.

Meanwhile, Jim Geraghty notes that on January 28, 2016, the Trump campaign put out this statement:

Mr. Trump personally contributed $1 million dollars to the cause and raised an additional $5 million before the one-hour event concluded, totaling more than $6 million dollars.

As Geraghty says:

We now know Trump didn’t write a check that night. Or the next night. Or the night after that. No money went from him, personally, to veterans groups for the next five months, until after reporters started asking Trump about the donation in interviews.

A Washington Post reporter interviewed Trump about this on May 24. And guess what? That’s the day he wrote his check.

The largest donation, a $1 million check dated May 24 and drawn from Donald J. Trump’s personal account, was addressed to a small Tuckahoe, N.Y., group that provides scholarships to the children of fallen Marines.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436078/trump-and-long-delayed-1-million-donations-veterans

And he wasn’t the only one:

The Associated Press spoke or left messages with each of the organizations Trump named. Of the 30 groups that responded by Tuesday, about half said they had received checks from Trump just last week. Several said the checks were dated on or about May 24 — the date as Trump’s interview with the Post — and shipped out overnight.

He was never going to contribute the money until he was pressed to do so — by a “nasty” reporter.

We can’t elect someone this dishonest.

P.S. Trump has won the Kim Jong Un endorsement. DPRK Today called him a “wise politician.” That’s for real (I think). This is not (but probably good enough to fool 5 media outlets out of 10):

166 Responses to “Part Two: Hillary Lies About Emails, Trump Lies About Veteran Fundraising”

  1. That is the sad thing
    The other choice at the moment is likely worse
    #SomebodyotherthanTorC

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  2. I don’t believe the wapo propaganda sluts

    I think they’re in the tank for the nasty old woman

    happyfeet (b57fef)

  3. What specific fact do you not believe?

    Is this all you have left when the clear facts show your guy is a liar and a scammer? You just wave your hands around and scream liberal bias?

    Sad!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  4. well first of all how much had he given before May 24

    happyfeet (b57fef)

  5. Trump got caught. He figure they’d never follow up but they did.

    A reporter like that might even ask him about John Miller at some point, with the cameras rolling and pointed at Trump’s face. Something that has never yet happened since that story broke. Trump thinks he has beaten them all on that too. Maybe they’re saving it for a debate. They’ll play the tape in front of the audience, say it’s obviously him, say even Marla Maples said it was obviously him, say he admitted using the name in the past — and so why lie about it? Millions watching.

    It could happen. In a world where a WaPo reporter keeps at the veterans’ funding story months later, it could.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  6. well first of all how much had he given before May 24

    He, meaning he? Personally? I believe the answer to that is zippo. Were it otherwise, he would have said so in that presser yesterday.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  7. I think that is very cynical to think the worst of Mr. Trump like that

    especially when Hillary launders hundreds of millions through the Clinton Global Crime Cartel with no scrutiny

    happyfeet (b57fef)

  8. “Thinking” the worst of Trump is charitable and generous compared to the “reality” of Trump. No decent person’s mind can fully comprehend Trump’s vileness.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. especially when Hillary launders hundreds of millions through the Clinton Global Crime Cartel with no scrutiny

    happyfeet (b57fef)

    Um. Trump donated to that. To grease the wheels for his serial abuse of bankruptcy and taking other people’s homes for his parking lot.

    That corrupt money you’re pointing to is Trump’s corrupt money.

    This is the least important election in my life. Either we go with the guy who bribed Hillary, supported her through all her mistakes, and championed dictatorship policies, while openly lying and smearing all who call him out, or we support Hillary herself, who is corrupt like Trump but has some sense of the limits of corruption one should broadcast.

    I can understand either choice because they are both votes against the other candidate for being a corrupt lefty.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  10. He’s a plum lolly Mr. nk

    He made a big difference in the lives of a lot of vets and their kiddos

    happyfeet (b57fef)

  11. #3 Mr happyfeet,

    You’re right, the Washington Post IS in the tank for Hillary, and that’s why we Republicans always have to be more judicious about whom we nominate, because we know that the liberal media is going to throw the kitchen sink at any scandal, impropriety, or skeletons in the closet that our nominee has.
    Trump has a treasure trove of skeletons that the media will pounce on in the forthcoming months. At least in his favor, he’ll fight back, unlike, say George W. Bush, who thought being silent and being a gentleman was going to somehow win him brownie points.

    We were given a gift on a silver platter with Hillary, because she’s so dishonest, corrupt, and sketchy. But what did our party do? We nominated someone who’s also dishonest and corrupt and sketchy.

    Now how are we supposted to successfully wage a campaign assailing Hillary for being dishonest, corrupt, and sketchy?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  12. Bill Gates gave $10 billion dollars to vaccinate every child in Africa.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. nk was right in the other thread. Happyfeet thinks we’re stupid.

    Trump’s been bashing veterans for years. He cast them and their businesses off Park Avenue because veterans are undesirable. He bashed POWs as losers who got captured instead of winners like him who fought off gold diggers after he dodged the draft for which foot? He couldn’t remember which one.

    Trump hiding behind the cause of veterans because he couldn’t face a debate is just another example of a rich guy thinking his money can buy him some character. Might work on some, but it won’t work on those of us who have seen character.

    The classic gauge of character is owning up. Trump was so afraid to do so in this case that he wrote a big check. He could’ve just apologized and said he exaggerated and that was a mistake. But no, can’t do it. Because no character.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  14. Now how are we supposted to successfully wage a campaign assailing Hillary for being dishonest, corrupt, and sketchy?

    By not being suckers for the media/PC game where every R must be pure as the driven snow and more virtuous than Ceaser’s wife. HRC is far, far worse than anything you can throw at Trump. Unless someone with a greater probability than Trump has of being elected, either go find that person and DO SOMETHING positive or STFU. Stop playing into the Alynsky handbook.

    WTP (55cf79)

  15. HRC is not far, far worse than the Lying Leftist Democrat Donald Trump.

    Every single word in that sentence above is accurate.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  16. #14 WTP,

    What is it about so many Trump Fan Boys that expressions such as “STFU” is your default position in lieu of laying out a calm reasonable case for how we can defeat Hillary?

    And who said anything about nominating someone who’s pure as the driven snow? We just shouldn’t be nominating a crook and a liar when the Democrats are already running a crook and liar.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  17. And another idiot Trump idolator wants everybody to just shut up. He doesn’t want his god’s dirty laundry being aired because that might prevent his god from being elected President.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  18. HRC is far, far worse than anything you can throw at Trump.

    this is such a great observation

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  19. Eenie Meenie Minie Moe—who is the lesser of two lying weasels in November?

    Skeptical Voter (1d5c8b)

  20. HRC is far, far worse than anything you can throw at Trump.

    I can’t recall HRC smearing her opponents, their spouses, and their parents. I can’t recall her praising the Tienamen Square Massacre.

    She is a very poor candidate who lies and is corrupt. Trump is a very ridiculous candidate who boasts of his corrupt bribing of Hillary.

    I can see someone supporting Trump over Hillary because they think she would be worse, but I don’t think she’s ‘far far worse’. They are basically the same, except Trump is obviously a lot dumber. Both would support the same tired left policies they always have. Both would be corrupt and lie to us with a smile on their face. Both would fight dissent Lois Lerner style. Trump might nuke someone and he might use his power to stomp on dissent.

    I think on balance Trump is worse, but it’s not the easiest call. What is clear is that this is the least important election of my life.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  21. Donald Trump has supported the following charities:

    Arnold Palmer Foundation
    Celebrity Fight Night Foundation
    Children with AIDS
    David Foster Foundation
    DoSomething.org
    Friends of Scotland
    Jimmy Fund
    Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation
    Make A Child Smile Appeal
    Make-A-Wish Foundation
    Mississippi Animal Rescue League
    Muhammad Ali Parkinson Center
    Neurofibromatosis, Inc.
    Operation Smile
    Paralyzed Veterans of America
    Pediatric Epilepsy Project
    Raising Malawi
    Reef Relief
    Smile Train
    St. Francis Food Pantries and Shelters
    The Doe Fund
    UNICEF
    Wounded Warrior Project

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  22. “As for charitable donations, the Clintons gave just under $15 million over the eight-year [’07 thru’14] period, which is 10.8 percent of their total income. The vast majority of that — about $14.8 million — went through the Clinton Family Foundation, the vehicle the Clintons frequently use to make personal donations, and another $57,000 went to the Clinton Global Initiative.”

    -The Atlantic

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  23. #20 Dustin,

    I’m just curious, why do you say this is the least important election of your lifetime?
    I see bad actors such as China, North Korea, Russia, Iran, and ISIS doing a lot of bad things. That doesn’t necessarily mean I believe Trump is a good prescription, but these important issues exist exclusive of whom is going to be on the ballot in November, wouldn’t you agree?

    The way I would phrase it is that it’s a shame that we have two bad choices to choose from at such a pivotal time. Barack has neutered American military power, and that encourages more bad acting by bad actors.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. Colonel – how much of HIS money did he donate to those causes?

    JD (6712df)

  25. I think that is very cynical to think the worst of Mr. Trump like that

    especially when Hillary launders hundreds of millions through the Clinton Global Crime Cartel with no scrutiny

    happyfeet (b57fef) — 6/1/2016 @ 7:56 am

    yes yes

    we must believe the lies of the Don

    he gave lots of money to clinton and other corrupt orgs but that’s okay

    the Don is all that matters

    him and his goldy sacky men

    making goldy great again

    sadfeet (ddead1)

  26. Don’t know, JD.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  27. All I can find is that – until about 2010/2011 – the majority of his political contributions went to Democrats.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  28. For anyone in politics, making the press your enemy is one of the dumbest moves you can make. Keep it up, Trump!

    Tillman (a95660)

  29. Puhleeeze… The Enemies of the Media for several decades running:

    1) anyone other than liberal Democrats
    2) The Truth

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  30. We’re going to elect someone that dishonest or more dishonest. Trump or Clinton. Either way, honesty and honor are off the table. The best that we can hope for is someone who will:
    A. (Hopefully more often than not) direct his vindictiveness and dishonesty at Democrats rather than at the Constitution and Americans.
    A1. Whose dishonesty and vindictiveness can possibly be opposed by Congress–All democrats (for partisan reasons) plus some Republicans (hopefully for honorable reasons) may equal a majority. Democrats would block any congressional opposition to Clinton’s dishonesty and vindictiveness; she could murder her IT guy on national TV and not get impeached or even significantly hindered as demonstrated by Obama and Bill Clinton.
    B. Will be opposed rather than aided and abetted by the press.

    If we were a better country full of better people, we’d have better choices, but that ship sailed in the sixties.

    Seneca (105260)

  31. I really can’t see casting a ballot for either candidate, but in regards to the “far, far worse”…

    Clinton violated federal law and put national security at risk in order to evade accountability.

    Trump didn’t make a charitable donation he promised until he was pressured into it.

    Is that the comparison here? Because it seems to me that Clinton is indeed “far, far worse” if that’s the case.

    malclave (4ddf38)

  32. Haiku, Fox News is a whole Republican Network. A.M. radio is mainly a right-heavy media too, and yet they’re continually forgotten somehow. No excuse for that.

    Trump isn’t just making enemies with what you view as the Liberal press, but he’s making enemies on both sides of the isle. Real loser here.

    Honeymoon’s over, Bubba!

    Tillman (a95660)

  33. The size of the audience that Fox News and AM radio command is a drop n the bucket in comparison to the alphabet networks, other cable news, NPR, major metro newspapers, etc. Go sell crazy elsewhere, Tillie.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  34. Tillman, if you think FOX News is in the tank for Republicans, you haven’t even watched it. Lots of out-and-out Leftists on it. And the parent company has given more money to Democrat political causes than to Republican political causes.

    Do your research. We have.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  35. You willfully ignore that, or you are not the sharpest tool in the shed… your choice.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  36. I love that “with what you view as the Liberal press” bit. I bet he looks up in the sky at night at “what we view as the moon” too.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  37. > Democrat political causes than to Republican political causes.

    when did the adjective form of the name of the party which was the ‘Democratic’ party when I was change to ‘Democrat’, and why did the adjective form of the name of the ‘Republican’ party not also change to ‘Republic’?

    I understand that language drift happens and that it’s ludicrous to rail against it, AND this one has been bothering me for years.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  38. Hitchcock, I just watched a random 5 minutes of Fox News and got nauseous from all the right-wing spin. Don’t be ridiculous.

    Tillman (a95660)

  39. “Teh Be-clowning of Tillie”… from American International Pictures.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  40. Aphrael, are they Democratics? Or are they Democrats? And since they’re Socialists and Tyrants, what suggests they’re democratic?

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  41. I really can’t see casting a ballot for either candidate, but in regards to the “far, far worse”…

    Clinton violated federal law and put national security at risk in order to evade accountability.

    Trump didn’t make a charitable donation he promised until he was pressured into it.

    Is that the comparison here? Because it seems to me that Clinton is indeed “far, far worse” if that’s the case.

    malclave (4ddf38) — 6/1/2016 @ 10:25 am

    No I think its the comparison of what Clinton will do vs what Trump might do. We have no record of what Trump will do in a political office since he’s never been in one. He hasn’t had the opportunity to do what Clinton has done. But based on his record in private life- lying, screwing people over, suing people, verbally threatening judges and others- imagine what he will do once he has full power of the office.

    Trump could be better, or he could turn out far, far worse.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  42. I’m sure Tillman would argue that Obama is a centrist.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  43. No Hitchcock, Obama is definitely a liberal.

    Tillman (a95660)

  44. Democrat political causes than to Republican political causes.

    when did the adjective form of the name of the party which was the ‘Democratic’ party when I was change to ‘Democrat’, and why did the adjective form of the name of the ‘Republican’ party not also change to ‘Republic’?

    I understand that language drift happens and that it’s ludicrous to rail against it, AND this one has been bothering me for years.

    aphrael (3f0569) — 6/1/2016 @ 10:38 am

    =================================================

    Among the reasons immigrants that migrate to America come is for its participatory form of government… “one man (hopefully still breathing, but you never know with Democrats)/one vote”. They are already pre-disposed to vote “democratic”. So they join with other Democrats (when those Dems can be roused out of bed, sobered up and motivated to go to the polling location). Nothing Democratic about them, they’re just known as Democrats.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  45. Thus endeth teh lesson…

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  46. Colonel Haiku – ah, but you haven’t answered the question. :) You’ve provided a *justification* for the change, and why it’s correct, but not an explanation for *when the change happened*.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  47. Haiku, according to this, Fox “News” is still doing swimmingly. Don’t know where you get your information. http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/april-2016-ratings-fox-news-wins-cable-news-finishes-no-2-across-cable/291747

    Tillman (a95660)

  48. Less than 1% of the population, Tillie. Please get real.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  49. I noticed it during Clinton’s second term, Aphrael.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  50. And since they’re Socialists and Tyrants, what suggests they’re democratic?

    Well, there’s the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea for comparison…

    malclave (4ddf38)

  51. Why don’t you compare FOX News with ABC News or NBC News or CBS News?

    The biggest fish in your half acre pond is nothing compared to the size of Lake Erie fish. And then there’s the fish pictured on the wall at a Hawai’i Big Isle deep-water fishing tourist attraction. Anything under 900 lbs doesn’t get a photo. Try catching that in your half acre pond.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  52. So now that we’ve established that Fox News viewership is much less than 1% of the population, what is your point again, Tillman?

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  53. Cruz Supporter:

    We were given a gift on a silver platter with Hillary, because she’s so dishonest, corrupt, and sketchy. But what did our party do? We nominated someone who’s also dishonest and corrupt and sketchy.

    Now how are we supposted to successfully wage a campaign assailing Hillary for being dishonest, corrupt, and sketchy?

    Good point. It’s like nominating the creator of Romneycare to run against Obama and ObamaCare. It tells me a lot of Republicans want big government as much as Democrats do, but they want it to give to them.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  54. Haiku, they’re the leading news network for crying out loud. What else do you want? Sheesh! We’re not going to force people to watch you want them to at gunpoint. They have a choice. That’s what matters in this context.

    Tillman (a95660)

  55. Cable news, dork. Do some research and see where they stack up compared to the alphabets (abc/cbs/nbc). Google’s your friend

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  56. aphrael–

    Republican and Democrat are both nouns. Republican and Democratic are both adjectives. Hence the confusion. Obviously when referring to a member of either party, you use the noun form. But when referring to the party itself, does the adjective actually describe the party? Or it’s members?

    For the GOP the distinctions are null. But for the Dems, is the party itself “democratic”? Not really. It is composed of Democrats, however, so “Party of Democrats” becomes Democrat Party, not Democratic Party.

    And all of this ignores the fact that the actual Democrat[ic] Party is rather statist and not very tolerant of what individuals want (and the GOP increasingly so).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  57. NBC Nightly News 8 million
    ABC World News 7 million
    CBS Evening News 6 million
    FOX News 2 million

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  58. *its

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  59. NBC Nightly News 8 million
    ABC World News 7 million
    CBS Evening News 6 million
    FOX News 2 million

    Bell Curve.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  60. aphrael,

    I typically use the term Democratic, too, but we don’t call people in each party Democratics and Republicans — we call them Democrats and Republicans. Maybe that has something to do with why some people say Democrat instead of Democratic.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  61. What is NBC News’ viewership at 2PM?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  62. Haiku, I did Tillman’s work for him, since he’s so inept. Also proving we do our research while he blusters dishonestly.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  63. Haiku & Hitchcock, you can cry about what people choose to watch, but not on my shoulder. It’s their choice, not yours to make for them.

    Tillman (a95660)

  64. Thanks, Mr. Hitchcock!

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  65. CBS This Morning in 2012 was in third place among the big 3 with 2.7 million.
    ABC’s Good Morning America was in first with 4.9 million.

    So the Big Three’s morning shows easily outstripped FOX News’s Prime Time news.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  66. What a clown. His point is refuted so he acts as if he didn’t float that stinker. Clown nose on, clown nose stays on.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  67. Comparing the network viewership to the cable news channels’ evening news hour is kind of silly. Cable news viewers don’t have to wait until 6:30 or 7pm to get their concentrated dose of packaged news. They can tune in at the time that suits them, or with the presenter that suits them. So, NBC Nightly News ,ay bet 8 million people for a half hour, but Fox gets more than that if you integrate over all the half-hour blocks in the evening (or day). Same with CNN.

    Another way to look at it would be advertising revenue. I bet that CNN takes in more in a day than NBC News does.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  68. And Tillman, after being beaten about the head with facts, tries to change the question we answered after we answered his demonstrably false claim. Typical Lying Leftist.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  69. No Hitchcock, I get tired of hearing people talk about “the Media” as if it’s all liberal. It’s not. The amount of viewership is quibbling and nothing more.

    Tillman (a95660)

  70. aphrael (3f0569) — 6/1/2016 @ 10:38 am

    when did the adjective form of the name of the party which was the ‘Democratic’ party when I was change to ‘Democrat’

    Republicans started doing that around 1996, because they didn’t want it to sound like the Democratic party was more democratic with a small d than their party, or that it was more for the people. This way they would not help Bill Clinton win re-election. Bob Dole was an early convert. It’s not grammatical, though.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  71. Its perry, I thought age brought wisdom,
    Still chasing squirrels and appealing to llamas and acista’s better nature’s.

    narciso (732bc0)

  72. A 10/1 differential.

    narciso (732bc0)

  73. Who said the media was all liberal? the point is that “the media” is overwhelmingly liberal. There’s a difference.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  74. There is an entire infrastructure that red queen will have at her beck and call, in media, the bureaucracy et al.

    narciso (732bc0)

  75. Bob Beckel – talking head – Leftist
    Shepard Smith – straight news – Leftist
    Juan Williams – talking head – Leftist
    Geraldo Rivera – talking head – insane Leftist

    That’s just 4 of the Leftists employed by FOX News. There are others. I doubt you can find 4 actual Conservatives employed by all the other TV News outlets combined. And I mean Conservatives, not Statist squishes trotted out to represent Conservatives.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  76. What is the usual timeframe for a telethon-type event to receive money from donors and pass it on to the charity? I don’t know, but it seems like it should be included in the reporting on Trump’s fundraiser. Every media (and Patterico) article about the fundraiser act like he should have received all the donations and wrote checks to the charities right away.

    Also, the current reporting seems to imply that telethon-type events collect 100% of pledges. I don’t think that is the case, but again, I don’t know.

    Mike S (89ec89)

  77. The peculiar thing about the money raised, is that Donald Trump could obviously have said that the $6 million figure he announced the night of the fundraiser was pledges. That he didn’t say that raises questions. Did he really make up that number? He has not explained where that number came from. It would be so easy if it was true that his people told him they had just reached $6 million.

    Or does he not remember, or is so unfamiliar with pledge drives that he has to cover up a deficiency?

    He gives an accounting, but never explains where that Dollar figure came from. It wasn’t the amount he said he had given away. (or was it?) Are we missing something? Did he later say something else that he can’t defend?

    The whole accounting is a large shiny object hiding something.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  78. Wither Texas?

    “Texas School Will Not Permit Honor Society Members to Wear Ceremonial Stoles, Because That Would Not Be “Inclusive” And Could Cause Hurt Feelings Among Those Not in the Honor Society”
    —Ace

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  79. Trump wrote a check, past-tense, except he didn’t. Until being called out on it several months later.

    Trump vetted all the organizations prior to the event, except he didn’t. They still had to go through the vetting process months after the event. That was the excuse for not sending any money out. Until the same date that Trump cut his own check after being called out on it.

    Integrity matters. Trump ain’t got none. Neither do his shills.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  80. Haiku, was that in Austin? Or maybe Dallas? Or Laredo? Or El Paso? You know, the Leftist stronghold islands in Texas.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  81. Seriously go work for mediamatters, I’m sure they are hiring.

    narciso (732bc0)

  82. Plano, Texas.

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  83. Does anyone here know, or care, that DPRK New Service is a parody account?

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  84. 20 miles northeast of downtown Dallas.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  85. Arizona CJ, everyone here who actually read the article know. Because the article said it was.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  86. Sammy Finkelman – thank you!

    I find it both ungrammatical and intentionally rude, which is probably a big part of why it annoys me even though in general I am unruffled by instances of linguistic drift.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  87. The mind arson spreads far.

    narciso (732bc0)

  88. Used to be Plano folks that lived there… must have changed some…

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  89. aphrael, do you believe that the “Democratic Party” is democratic, as a party? Or even that its goals are for a democracy as opposed to a republic? In the modern Democrat[ic] Party people don’t have power, only groups do, and people are expected to follow their group’s assigned political line.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  90. Plano is a Republican-friendly Dallas suburb. IMO folks in the Dallas area loves big government but want it to be Republican values. I don’t see them as conservatives but as Republicans, like George W Bush.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  91. The Man in the High Castle is working on a new opus. “The Caterpillar Lies Often”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  92. FWIW, aphrael, I don’t agree with Sammy that using the word Democrat is intended as a slight.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  93. I don’t see them as conservatives but as Republicans, like George W Bush.

    W is best understood as a Christian moderate.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  94. Ok, but in Texas he’s a Dallas Republican. Christianity has nothing to do with it.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  95. Christianity has nothing to do with it.

    Like being gay in West Hollywood?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  96. I wish that was the percentage of Christians in Dallas, Kevin M, but no, “Christianity has nothing to do with it” doesn’t mean “of course, everyone’s Christian”. It means Christianity has nothing to do with it.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  97. 92. DRJ (76a58a) — 6/1/2016 @ 12:27 pm

    FWIW, aphrael, I don’t agree with Sammy that using the word Democrat is intended as a slight.

    It wasn’t intended as a slight. It was intended to avoid what might be perceived as a compliment.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)


  98. What is it about so many Trump Fan Boys that expressions such as “STFU” is your default position in lieu of laying out a calm reasonable case for how we can defeat Hillary?

    What is it about #NEVERTRUMP derangement that their default position of any criticism of their position must come from Trump Fan Boys or from those who think Trump is their God? FFS go DO SOMETHING. Stop tearing sh*t down and work on an alternative. It’s been what, a month or so and you people are still in derangement mode. Once a week or so I stop in here to check the fever level. Get your @zzez out of Loserville and DO SOMETHING. If not for the county’s sake, for your own sanity.

    WTP (55cf79)

  99. “#16 laying out a calm reasonable case for how we can defeat Hillary?”
    In case you didn’t notice, Trump defeated 16 Republican candidates–including Jeb Bush who would have been the nominee if Trump hadn’t run.
    Trump shut down Hillary’s never-fail Repub Kill Shot with one tweet.
    So the evidence is that he has an observable history of defeating his opponents.

    It is not neccessary to “make a case how to defeat Hillary”. All that is neccessary is to actually DEFEAT her. Get it? What is important is the doing, not the laying out.
    ————–

    “#28. For anyone in politics, making the press your enemy is one of the dumbest moves you can make. Keep it up, Trump!”
    Huh? The press *is* the enemy of any Republican running for office. Trump knows that and handles them accordingly.
    ————

    “#32 Trump isn’t just making enemies with what you view as the Liberal press, but he’s making enemies on both sides of the isle.”
    And yet he won votes. The Liberal press hates him, Republican voters cast their votes for him and come out massively to his rallies. Trump is a real loser, huh?
    ————

    Patterico, (#3, #5, #ad infinitum). What is your point? Just general griping or is there some sort of result you want to achieve?
    Because when the topic is the 2016 Presidential race, the thing is … the two candidates are Hillary and Trump. One will be elected and the other won’t.
    You keep harping on hating Trump — to what avail? Are you hoping he loses and Hillary wins?

    What are you trying to accomplish? Or (to paraphrase happyfeet) are you just crapping in the punchbowl for shits & grins?

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  100. WTP,

    Again, you resort to foul language. Niiiice.
    What is this, a Martin Scorscese film? (LOL)
    I’m actually already on record saying that I will vote for Trump over Hillary. So why don’t you be the one to temper your mouth, eh?

    I still think Trump’s a punk and a jerk and a crook and a liar…but he’s still preferable to Hillary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  101. So we agree. I’m trying to defeat HRC as well. And I have, on and off for a couple decades now, been WORKING to create more conservatives. Pearl clutching about propriety, as if the #NEVER TRUMP crowd are demure ladies who care about such, is avoiding the issue and rather sissy, but if i offended you, by all means accept my apology dear. In the mean time what are any of you people doing to advance the cause? Besides screaming about what a bad, bad man trumpkins is, I mean. Certainly those who can’t dirty themselves with difficult decisions aren’t helping. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

    WTP (55cf79)

  102. some people just like to watch the whirl burn (poopers)

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  103. #100 WTP,

    You didn’t “offend” me. But you were being a jerk. Telling people to “STFU” is not the best bedside manner if you’re trying to bring them to your side.
    Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Jindal, and Walker are all tremendously preferential to The Mr Donald, The Professional Crook & Liar.

    He’s a sliver better than Hillary. And I’m just hoping that he’ll feel that he owes debts to conservatives if he wins.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  104. Yeah. Keep focusing on stfu. Don’t concern yourself with the work being done here simply to tear the R nominee down while offering no viable alternatives. Ignore the DO SOMETHING. Cruz, Rubio (spit), Fiorina, Jindal, and Walker all dropped out. The world has moved on. Why not join it?

    WTP (55cf79)

  105. WTP,

    You’re a foul-mouthed, low-class, idiot.
    And if you want start throwing flames, I’ll eventually have you begging Patterico to ban me.
    If you were really a “conservative,” you would have preferred Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Jindal, or Walker to the Mafioso Orange Toupee.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  106. it’s more like that pynchon tale, inherent vice,

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/who_helped_barack_obama_avoid_the_taint_of_chicago_corruption_.html

    you wonder how he remained unscathed,

    narciso (732bc0)

  107. I dunno. You seem to be the one with the reading comprehension problem. Where did I say they were not preferable? Were they the nominee I would support them. As for your hysteria about getting yourself banned, bit of a victim complex you’re projecting there. Symptom of living too long in Loserville. It’s not a healthy place to live. Toxic in fact.

    WTP (55cf79)

  108. Seeing as CS didn’t worry about getting banned but said you’d end up begging Patterico to ban him, your dishonest changing of what he said is rather ridiculous. And typical. “Loserville.” What an original turn of phrase from a Trumpster.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  109. John Hitchcock at 108 – yeah, it was more of a threat than a whine. Wierd to see someone conflate the two.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  110. we’re in the best possible hands,

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/cnn-finds-somali-war-criminal-working-security-dc-area-airport/

    an aidid flunky not a jihadist apparently, however vetting is at top men standards

    narciso (732bc0)

  111. this bug hastled w, back in the 00s, as if he had a clue,

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/donald-trump-conversation-politics-dark-898465

    narciso (732bc0)

  112. Nice how PoliticizedFacts says, “Clinton also didn’t comply fully with records management expectations.” Expectations? How about the actual LAWS:

    § 3101. Records management by agency heads; general duties

    The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities.

    Richard (332120)

  113. judge napolitano, noted section 2701, was the critical one, but carry on.

    narciso (732bc0)

  114. Hillary Clinton is for all intents and purposes a felon. We’re just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  115. Hillary Clinton is for all intents and purposes a felon. We’re just waiting for the other shoe to drop

    Which shoe is that? That Trump is also a felon? You actually expect Hillary to be prosecuted by this DoJ? Trump will be executed for spitting on the sidewalk before Hillary will be charged with anything.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  116. Hillary directed her aides to make sure that nothing sent to her by email was marked classified, even if that meant they had to remove said markings. They imply that it was classified later, but some of it was classified earlier — like the names of US agents and assets which ARE ALWAYS TOP SECRET.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  117. yes, kevin they are very adept at silencing their own ethical transgression, and let loose a hundred hornets on the opposition,

    narciso (732bc0)

  118. Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/1/2016 @ 9:00 am

    …They are basically the same, except Trump is obviously a lot dumber…

    Advantage: Trump, as happyfeet would say.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  119. what has red queen shown she understands about policy, her health plan, concocted by a secret task force, crashed on the rocks, the peregrushka, don’t ask, her policy on north and subsaharan africa, a horror,

    narciso (732bc0)

  120. At least 60 percent of the voting population want a corrupt loud-mouth to replace the current corrupt loud-mouth. They’re just arguing over which corrupt loud-mouth should take over.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  121. The difference between Trump and Hillary:

    The Republicans would stop at least some of Hillary’s nation-destroying trash.

    That’s the difference between Trump and Hillary.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  122. John Hitchcock, if we don’t vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  123. I believe the correct answer to the question asked above in #4, “well first of all how much had he given before May 24[?],” is:

    We can’t know because he won’t release his tax returns that would show his itemized deductions. He’s hiding those too.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  124. “MAYBE OBAMA HAS SEEMED SO BUMBLING IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS BECAUSE OUR ENEMIES KNEW OUR PLANS BEFORE HE DID: How EmailGate Weakened America’s National Security: It’s safe to say that Moscow, Beijing and Tehran know a lot more about Hillary Clinton than the American public does.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/235196-2/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  125. it’s a little like the karamlis/papandreou dynasties, that eventually ground themselves into irrelevance, so other factions filled the gap,

    narciso (732bc0)


  126. judge napolitano, noted section 2701, was the critical one

    Is he related to the noted Leftist Judge Napolitano who always shows up on Fox

    (BTW anyone who calls Fox leftist obviously does not watch Fox’s morning show:on which the cohosts seem to prepare by reading the previous day’s edition of Hot Air and Powerline).

    kishnevi (356aa4)

  127. 116… Kev, you’re fond of making predictions, here’s mine: There is no effing way Clinton will skate on this.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  128. Kishnevi,

    Nobody here called FOX News a Leftist news organization. They are not Conservative, nor Republican. And while they do tend Center-Statist, they are not Leftist.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  129. And in Trump related news
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/doral/article81078267.html

    And note his previous relation with Mayor Gimenez.

    kishnevi (356aa4)

  130. this is the same region, that tried to extort burn notice, and lost, as for cancun,

    narciso (732bc0)

  131. Hillary is reasonably bright, smart enough for a lawyer, but nothing to write home about. Bill is the really intelligent one in the family. Or was. We’re talking septuagenarian flower children — Hillary, Bill, Trump — how many brain cells have they managed to hold on to?

    nk (dbc370)

  132. facts not in evidence, a certain amount of animal cunning I’ll grant you,

    narciso (732bc0)

  133. Meanwhile, the Cicero of the Modern Age stutters like a mental defective… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/363828.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  134. She’ll soon find she’s clean out of cunning stunts.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  135. #136

    And clean smelling pantsuits.
    Huma squirting away with the Febreze

    steveg (fed1c9)

  136. “That’s French!”– Gomez Addams, 1966
    “It’s French!”– Bill Kristol, 2016

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  137. she’s just foul

    like homeless woman foul

    it comes off her in waves

    happyfeet (831175)

  138. Campaign 2016 – Bum Fight of the Century!!!

    Rick Ballard (7727d9)

  139. Mr. Trump is not a bum

    oh.

    i had my first trumptini tonight

    it’s basically same as this

    it’s too sweet and too monotone to make an evening out of, but it makes a good first impression

    happyfeet (831175)

  140. wtf i got filtrated

    happyfeet (831175)

  141. And clean smelling pantsuits.
    Huma squirting away with the Febreze
    steveg (fed1c9

    Sorry, but nothing kills vagitosis, not even Febreze.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  142. trumptini

    happyfeet (831175)

  143. oh. i bet it was the linker link

    happyfeet (831175)

  144. 135… So… after 8 years the TOTUS finally gave up the g-g-g-g-g-g-ghost?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  145. he’s an overpromoted tard

    no trumptini for you, food stamp

    happyfeet (831175)

  146. #141

    My dog got hit by a skunk and a friend recommended using a douche product.
    Got some and tried a bottle. No Bueno. It was late, the drugstore was gonna close, so I went in and bought it all. The teenage female clerk was horrified… then I told her it was for my dog and god if looks could kill…

    steveg (fed1c9)

  147. lol

    douche woosh pooch gooch

    happyfeet (831175)

  148. you mean sprayed or was the skunk driving, lol,

    narciso (732bc0)

  149. Google prescribes:

    Combine 1/2 quart hydrogen peroxide, 1/8 cup of baking soda, and 1 teaspoon liquid dishwashing soap in an open container.

    Draw a tepid bath and put your dog in it.

    Apply the solution liberally throughout your dog’s coat and suds him up well (to the skin).

    Dawn dishwashing liquid or something equivalent in de-greasing is key. I’ve also seen vinegar recommended, but I suspect that’s a cover-up rather than a remover.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  150. this is one of those ounce of prevention things

    happyfeet (831175)

  151. waitaminutewaitaminutewaitaminute…CS says:
    You’re a foul-mouthed, low-class, idiot.
    And if you want start throwing flames, I’ll eventually have you begging Patterico to ban me.

    the latter part based on … nothing. Not that you would know (and there is a lot you don’t know) I have never asked anyone to use the ban hammer, and I’ve heard much worse from elsewhere than I have ever seen here, nor would I expect from some of you lot. I find it both amusing and pathetic that anyone would get so a-tittered by something said on the internet that they would ask that someone else be banned. Not that I cry for the occasional blatant racist or anti-semite or such, but it really has to get extreme before I even give a damn (“damn” is OK, yes? It was in GWTW). After all, it is the internet. No one can hurt you here, ok pumpkins?

    So to which I reply that imagining oneself being banned is a bit of a victim/loser attitude/argument. To which someone says ” your dishonest changing of what he said is rather ridiculous.” Dishonest? Changing of what he said? Jeez (“jeez” is ok, right or is it too close to “Jesus”?) it’s like an eighth grade home ec class in here. Is it any wonder Cruz lost to the mean girl Tumpette, what with whiny people like this backing him up. See, it’s too late to stand by your man now. Gotta move on.

    And so I ask for like the umpteenth time…What are you girls going to DO? #CONSERVATIVESGOTTADOSOMETHING. It has been over FOUR weeks (yes, you made me look it up) since the great tragedy of Indiana. I can understand a week of mourning, licking one’s wounds, coming to grips with the new reality. Been there myself. But for the love of God (literally) move on. You have wasted three good weeks (going on four, where/if it stops who knows) whining Trump is stooooopid, Trump is baaaaaad, Trump no good. Fine. Get it. But what are you going to DO about it? DO DO DO SOMETHING. And no, attacking the forbetterorforworse leader while clutching one’s pearls doesn’t count. Something CONSTRUCTIVE. I thought this sort of defeatism was for the loser end of the democrat party. But I’ve oft considered that the ends of both parties are similar. Whiny girls who can’t accept reality and want government/politics to do the work for them.

    WTP (55cf79)

  152. Mr. WTP you inspire me to keep the faith

    the faith that we don’t have to do the stank on america

    on the birdies

    on the trees

    on the entrepreneurs

    on the pipelines

    on the national parks

    on the pop-up gourmet taco experiences that unite us all

    and you never did think that it would ever would happen again… in america didja

    happyfeet (831175)

  153. oopers

    there’s an extry would in there

    happyfeet (831175)

  154. “My dog got hit by a skunk and a friend recommended using a douche product.
    Got some and tried a bottle. No Bueno. It was late, the drugstore was gonna close, so I went in and bought it all. The teenage female clerk was horrified… then I told her it was for my dog and god if looks could kill…”

    steveg (fed1c9) — 6/1/2016 @ 6:42 pm
    ==============================================================
    On a positive note, I bet your doggie never felt springtime fresher!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  155. I am concerned about the person or persons forcing poor WTP to come here once a week to listen to our whining.

    Whoever you are, I suggest you stop doing that. You are likely violating any number of laws from unlawful restraint to the Internet Neutrality Act. Possibly even Title IX of something or other. Maybe even the 13th Amendment. There could be serious consequences.

    Just stop it!

    nk (dbc370)

  156. I confess. I loaded up my Super Soaker with Nexxus Therape and water, aimed it at him and said “look at Patterico’s Pontifications or the perm gets it!”

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  157. The teenage female clerk was horrified

    this more than anything is why #neverhillary

    happyfeet (831175)

  158. And I’m sure Matilda’s father could scrounge up some satisfied customers for his used cars, too, narciso.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  159. But don’t you see? This is exactly why it is so important for Trump to win instead of Hillary. They are both liars and both awful people who can’t be trusted, but the media will tell us what Trump is doing when he does something bad. They will cover for Hillary.

    Trump eventually had to give the money he promised. Hillary still hasn’t come clean about her email.

    Cugel (21a10b)

  160. forget it, being a part of an adminstration where there was at best malign neglect, and worse enemy action re our veterans doesn’t matter to them,

    narciso (732bc0)


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