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12/30/2015

TIME Magazine Screws the Pooch on North Pole Temperature

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:34 am

Alexandra Sifferlin at TIME Magazine says the temperature at the North Pole is over 50 degrees higher than average. Global Warming!!!!!1!!1!

North Pole Unfrozen as Temperature Soars

Stormy weather in the North Atlantic has brought balmy weather to the world’s northernmost point.

The temperature in the North Pole hit 42 degrees Fahrenheit on Wednesday morning, which Discovery News says is 50 degrees higher than average for this time of year. Storms over Iceland and Greenland, fairly common in winter, are pushing warmer air to the Arctic.

Fifty degrees higher than average certainly seems noteworthy. Except, where it says 42 degrees Fahrenheit in the above passage . . . where does that link go? Go ahead, click it:

http://www.weather.com/weather/today/l/USAK0173:1:US

To “North Pole, Alaska.”

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Which is located around the center of Alaska, near Fairbanks. They even have a “Santa Claus House”!

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Maybe Alexandra Sifferlin at TIME can write Santa and ask for a clue.

I have a feeling they are going to disappear this post, so I saved it here.

Thanks to Simon Jester.

167 Responses to “TIME Magazine Screws the Pooch on North Pole Temperature”

  1. Hilar.

    Patterico (eac304)

  2. I cannot wait to see how the folks at Time (and, I’m sure elsewhere) handle this one. Ouch.

    Incidentally, it’s pretty tough to get temperature readings at the actual North Pole now. Here is the best I can find. Sound off if other people know better.

    http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/

    -5.2 is pretty warm, due to the storm. But 22 degrees F is not quite as advertised. And certainly not about freezing.

    Just sayin’.

    Simon Jester (d30910)

  3. Time really is worth the $1 it went for when it was sold.

    dfbaskwill (a0813f)

  4. North Pole heatwave update for Wednesday: still frozen and just added another inch of fresh powder.

    https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/682223004932177920/photo/1

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  5. If anyone is interested in actual Arctic conditions go here and click on any of the yellow dots.

    As of right now we have:

    Barrow, AK -8F
    Alert, Canada -9F
    Resolute, Canada -13F
    Thule, Greenland -18F
    Grise Fiord, Canada -18F
    Hammerfest, Norway (the garden spot of the arctic) a balmy 30F

    Current ice map can be found here.

    Do I have to add the North Pole is frozen over pretty good?

    Rich Horton (0ca444)

  6. And the part that upsets me is how many scientists pile on this kind of politically motivated quasi-religious Narrative. Look, data do not care about politics. Present the data.

    What I detest are these silly models that all, just coincidentally, agree with the popular opinion among computer modelers.

    Just present the data.

    And overstating things is one of the reasons that many folks don’t trusts scientists. It just breaks my heart, as a scientist. Just present the data. Leave politics to politicians.

    Simon Jester (d30910)

  7. Here’s a graph of the daily mean temperature in the Arctic for 2015 from the DMI (via Joe Bastardi)

    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

    The blue line is freezing point of fresh water.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  8. From WUWT A BBC story here says the use of the word “robust” [in scientific papers] has gone up 15000% They write:

    Despite working with facts, figures and empirical evidence, the world of science appears to have a growing addiction to hyperbole. Researchers at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands looked at four decades worth of medical and scientific publications, and found a significant upwards trend of positive words. We’ve all heard of those ”ground-breaking” studies or ”innovative” research projects. Dr Christiaan Vinkers – a psychiatrist at the Rudolf Magnus brain centre – was the main author of another ”very robust” report.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  9. Simon, thanks for the link. I’m seeing -20.67C as the air temperature for the buoy that’s closest to the North Pole.

    The problem with “consensus” science is that the Times gets a vote. I’m a little surprised that they didn’t claim 87.481 degrees instead of a mere 43F. Of course that is the latitude of the buoy, but what’s an “N” when you need an “F” or a “C” or better yet a “K”? The goal is to fit the administration’s narrative, and degrees are degrees, right?

    As I recall, one or more of turkey at the UW was a signer of the petition to indict “global warming deniers” on RICO statutes. I hope they aren’t involved with the NPOE project. Your web page might have a very short life.

    Tenure at public universities needs to be abolished. It hasn’t achieved its purpose.

    BobStewartatHome (dfcdb1)

  10. I saw some TV show, maybe on Animal Planet, about people trying to make it to the NP (not AK) on foot /skis, whatever,
    It was said that they may have been the last ones able to do it because of the changing climate conditions…
    I also learned on Animal Planet that mermaids are real, but their existence has been covered up by the U.S. Navy so no one will fuss about their development of sonar weaponry.

    And here feets thinks no one tells him anything…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  11. Erick Erickson is filling in for Rush this morning, and just mentioned this post. He will talk about it in depth when he has time.

    Smiles, everyone! The visitors are coming!

    L.N. Smithee (e750c1)

  12. BTW, Erick, as long as you’re here: Please don’t speak of Donald Trump as if he could shine Ronald Reagan’s shoes. It’s maddening.

    L.N. Smithee (e750c1)

  13. See what I mean?

    http://nbc4i.com/2015/12/30/buckle-in-jet-produces-warm-surge-to-north-pole/

    The fellow is discussing models when the data is available!

    Oh, my aching head.

    On the other hand, look at what this kind of nonsense got Saint Al.

    Simon Jester (d30910)

  14. papertiger, I hate that word! When people use it, you know they are bloviating. Also, I hate gravitas. It was a good word when it first appeared but now it’s also nausea-inducing.

    As to the North Pole “report” what’s the verdict: stupid or partisan?

    Patricia (5fc097)

  15. I just turned on the radio. Guess I missed the hat tip to Patrick. Bummer.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  16. Erickson seconds ago on this post: “I guess Santa Claus is going to become a terrorist now that there’s Global Warming [at the North Pole]…”

    L.N. Smithee (e750c1)

  17. Well, at least they didn’t claim it was 43 C. That would have been alarming.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  18. Patricia #14: mostly lazy. Also, goose-stepping to Teh Narrative.

    Simon Jester (9af155)

  19. OK, so that story may have been a bust, but just look at the headline of their next big scoop:

    Your Next iPhone May Have a Much Better Screen

    CayleyGraph (353727)

  20. While I would agree the Time story is stupid, the average high for North Pole, AK is -1F in January and 3F in December. Which makes it still only 44 – 40 degrees F higher. Mighty warm up there for the time of year, but not relevant to globalistic warmering.

    WTP (60406d)

  21. Time really is worth the $1 it went for when it was sold.

    That was Newsweek. Time is still owned by Time Inc, although that organization was spun off by Time Warner in 2014 in a further dismembering of the AOL Time Warner conglomerate.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  22. As usual, the story no matter that it’s a complete and utter bs is around the world before the truth gets it’s pants on.

    Google search of “North Pole above Freezing”

    CNN licked that spittle up. Fox news (an affiliate I hope) is on board with the hype.

    The oldest source I can see on that page is from three days ago. A blogger named Robert Scribbler, who in turn got his “scoop”, such as it is, from another blogger named Claudio Cassardo.

    Claudio is predicting a hurricane over the North Pole (I’m not kidding. Click the link.).

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  23. I would listen if Steyn filled in.

    mg (31009b)

  24. There are some historically cold places in AK that are rather warmer than usual (e.g. Tanana) and others that are in line with averages (Barrow, Tok).

    Note that North Pole’s record for today (38 degrees) was set in 1969, so this is not unheard of, even before the recent warming period.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  25. Leave politics to politicians.

    But the grants ! We have to keep them coming in !

    I have grad students to feed !

    It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong.

    Richard P. Feynman

    We are currently in a 15 year experiment.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  26. Way south of the Arctic Circle. In winter during the four years I lived there it could easily get above freezing — briefly — but once we got down to (IIRC) -57°F.

    That was the morning our hot water pipes froze.

    McGehee (2d8071)

  27. There is also

    North Pole, Australia at 79 today: http://www.weather.com/weather/today/l/ASWA0601:1:AS

    North Pole, NY (a hamlet outside Wilmington, NY) is 34 degrees today, colder than its Alaskan counterpart. http://www.weather.com/weather/today/l/12997:4:US

    And of course, the magnetic north pole is at 86.3°N 160.0°W and the geophysical north pole is at 90°N, both of which are cold and dark right now.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  28. Low pressure over the North Pole is supposed to cause a heat wave?

    Are they talking about Earth here, or some other planet?

    You need high pressure for a warm front.

    At the end of the day today, when the Geographic North Pole is still, has remained, and always will be frozen on Wednesday Dec 30th 2015, we have to rub their stupid noses in it.

    You can’t learn em any other way. They are like cats in this respect.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  29. The Koch Brothers closed down their oil refinery in North Pole in 2014, due to global warming, no doubt. Either that, or refining operations interfered with Santa’s workshop (also owned by the Kochs).

    Vladimir (cc4cb1)

  30. all your sea ice, north AND south, information in one place.

    temperature readings included.

    redc1c4 (c6cc0a)

  31. Kevin,

    cold and dark right now

    Actually, the waxing Moon (75%) will never set over the North Pole for a few more days. So if it is clear enough, the Moon, hovering a few degrees over the horizon, (5 degrees at Noon PST,) will cast a dim light on the ice.

    BobStewartatHome (dfcdb1)

  32. You need high pressure for a warm front.

    Just as supposed (repeat: supposed) experts in the medical and nutritional community for decades cried and hollered about the negative impact of fat and how it promoted obesity, and said almost next to nothing about the far more harmful effects of sugar (eg, notice how food packaging, even today, still promotes “low fat!” or “non-fat!” but rarely the phrase of “low sugar!”—and fake sugar is more harmful than real sugar), the experts (supposed) in the world of science/climatology haven’t even correlated how increased CO2 affects (and presumably would strengthen and increase) high-pressure zones.

    Mark (74fce8)

  33. poor penguins is too warm they’re gonna start molting

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  34. Feets, the penguins live in Antarctica, which has record high ice pack (despite occasional stories about ice located over water calving off bergs).

    The Monster (6819a8)

  35. The article now has this appended:

    “This article originally misidentified a temperature reading as belonging to the North Pole.”

    Could the error be any more understated?

    Mike S (89ec89)

  36. oh thank God it’s a christmas miracle

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  37. supposed (repeat: supposed) experts in the medical and nutritional community for decades cried and hollered about the negative impact of fat and how it promoted obesity,

    Actually, it was supposed to cause coronary artery disease and came from autopsies of Korea KIA where young men had advanced coronary artery disease. Then some experiments were done feeding fat to rabbits, which are normally vegetarian, and they got coronary disease.

    Voila !

    The disease seen was most probably from smoking. We are still barely out of this phase of pseudoscience.

    The story is in my book.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  38. The problem with “consensus” science is that the Times gets a vote. I’m a little surprised that they didn’t claim 87.481 degrees instead of a mere 43F. Of course that is the latitude of the buoy, but what’s an “N” when you need an “F” or a “C” or better yet a “K”?

    Actually 87.481° K would be bloody freezing, and wouldn’t support their narrative at all. But I’m sure you know that, but you expect that they don’t. And you’re probably right.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  39. NASA for kids lists the Average temp during winter as (Yes the table does say 40 in each case): Winter −40° F (−40° C) −76° F (−60° C).

    http://climatekids.nasa.gov/polar-temperatures/

    Davod (f3a711)

  40. As a kid I remember my father, who worked in media in the 60s and 70s, calling Time “the weekly fiction magazine.” A man ahead of his time.

    rrpjr (d778c1)

  41. North Pole, Australia at 79 today

    That was at 6:37am, and was just above the predicted low. Today’s temperature is expected to go up to 108° F.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  42. NASA for kids lists the Average temp during winter as (Yes the table does say 40 in each case): Winter −40° F (−40° C) −76° F (−60° C).

    Well, yes, of course it would. -40 * 1.8 = -72, + 32 = -40. Surely everyone knew that.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  43. But, but, the latest headlines show a warm storm front in the next three days may turn the temperature, at the real North Pole, above freezing. Good job this is after Christmas, otherwise Santa may well have fed the wrong ant-freeze feed to the reindeer.

    Davod (f3a711)

  44. PS. 43 – ant-freeze should read anti-freeze.

    Davod (f3a711)

  45. Also see the video in the linked article, which of course has nothing to do with anything alleged to be happening at the North Pole, but is instead about the poor people of Kiribati, which will be flooded out by global warmening, and will have to evacuate the entire population to Fiji. Not mentioned is that the land in Kiribati is actually growing, not shrinking.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  46. PS. 43 – ant-freeze should read anti-freeze.

    I like it better the first way.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  47. The North Pole’s temperature is higher than normal but it’s a weather-related fluke that won’t last. Time Magazine was apparently relying on a poor understanding of this weather story.

    DRJ (15874d)

  48. I understand that several years ago, prominent Cal Tech physicist Dr. Sheldon Cooper led a research team in trying to detect slow-moving monopoles at the magnetic North Pole.

    Who knows what kind of damage to the climate he might have done?

    malclave (4ddf38)

  49. Very cool that this post was mentioned by Erickson on Rush’s radio show. Well done, Patterico and Simon Jester!

    DRJ (15874d)

  50. You would have noticed malclave, that Dr. Coopers findings were erroneous due to interference from the toaster or some such appliance so damage to the climate could have occurred.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  51. One would think he would offer Andrea the million.

    mg (31009b)

  52. 51 – wrong thread, I am a mindless oaf.

    mg (31009b)

  53. DRJ #47: it’s actually worse than that, and something we all need to guard against.

    When you google something like “current temperature at the North Pole,” the first couple of hits are for North Pole, Alaska. And the temperature there was warmer than people would expect.

    This fit Teh Narrative.

    And because it fit the narrative, the author didn’t really check it out.

    As I wrote above, we ALL need to guard against this kind of bumper sticker thinking.

    Patterico published it, and I’m glad it got noticed.

    Simon Jester (9af155)

  54. And this is why we will never get to Luna Federation by 2076,

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. Tell me about it, narciso. We have Lunar Authority, complete with yellow jackets, here and now.

    Simon Jester (9af155)

  56. It was pretty chilly here at the East Pole today.

    Dave (in MA) (b4894f)

  57. how did ‘Discovery News’ get snookered? are only high school interns at DisNews this week?

    seeRpea (0939e6)

  58. well the Bezos Post did as well, with obliging links to Michael ‘unbelievable fraud’ Mann,

    narciso (732bc0)

  59. Late to the party, but Time has posted a correction…sort of.

    At the top of the article, immediately below the headline, it says: “Correction appended”.

    Okay.

    Scrolling down to the bottom of the article, we get the following:

    “This article originally misidentified a temperature reading as belonging to the North Pole.”

    And…?

    The entire article still addresses 43 degree temps at the North Pole. The key “correction” still missing is: “North Pole, Alaska”.

    Dishonest article. Dishonest correction. Go figure.

    navyvet (c33501)

  60. North Pole, AK is 4474.7881858 miles (approximately) south of the North Pole. I think.

    Larry Sheldon (ed0b1b)

  61. No–that is wrong. T
    hought it looked odd.

    Back a minute.

    Larry Sheldon (ed0b1b)

  62. 1745.1118142 (approximately) looks right.

    Larry Sheldon (ed0b1b)

  63. Scrolling down to the bottom of the article, we get the following:

    “This article originally misidentified a temperature reading as belonging to the North Pole.”

    And…?

    The entire article still addresses 43 degree temps at the North Pole. The key “correction” still missing is: “North Pole, Alaska”.

    Dishonest article. Dishonest correction. Go figure.

    What’s dishonest about the article? The article wasn’t about North Pole AK, it was about the actual north pole, which is expected (i.e. not an actual measurement) to experience a warm spell this week, perhaps reaching as much as 50° F above the seasonal average. Perhaps that prediction will pan out and perhaps it won’t, but the blooper that Simon Jester discovered, and that they’ve now corrected, doesn’t affect that.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  64. […] as belonging to the North Pole." Fortunately, ever-alert blogger Patterico excerpted the post as originally written (the link to North Pole, Alaska’s conditions at Weather.com is in the original): […]

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  65. […] as belonging to the North Pole.” Fortunately, ever-alert blogger Patterico excerpted the post as originally written (the link to North Pole, Alaska’s conditions at Weather.com is in the […]

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  66. how did ‘Discovery News’ get snookered? are only high school interns at DisNews this week?

    It didn’t. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the Discovery News article. Only TIME got snookered.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  67. If anyone cares, you can go to a website for “Arctic buoys” and get the sea and air temps recorded every hour by a bunch of buoys dotting the arctic. Here’s the URL for one that’s at 87.5 degrees north: http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/AXIB132472_atmos_recent.html

    It shows air temps from -26 up to -8.5 C.

    sf (1e84b3)

  68. What’s dishonest about the article? The article wasn’t about North Pole AK, it was about the actual north pole

    I must slightly correct myself. The TIME article was originally based on the blooper. When they discovered their mistake they rewrote the article to fit the facts. The original article was titled “North Pole Unfrozen”, and started “Stormy weather in the North Atlantic has brought balmy weather to the world’s northernmost point”. It is now correctly titled “North Pole Set to Unfreeze”, and starts “…is set to bring…”. That’s a more extensive correction than the note implies, so the note is deceptive. But the article as it stands now is correct.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  69. […] as belonging to the North Pole.” Fortunately, ever-alert blogger Patterico excerpted the post as originally written (the link to North Pole, Alaska’s conditions at Weather.com is in the […]

    Time.com Writer Cites Temperature at North Pole, Alaska As From THE North Pole « The United Voice of America (6dc91b)

  70. The WaPo story as it stands now appears to be correct. I don’t see any link to Mann. But I don’t know what it looked like originally.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  71. look on the tweets to the lower right hand quarter,

    narciso (732bc0)

  72. I don’t see any reference to Mann in the tweets showing, or on the Capital Weather Gang’s twitter page.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  73. from a yahoo post, nine years ago:

    Arctic winters are long and cold, and summers are short and cool. Temperatures vary with latitude, ice and snow cover, and proximity to the ocean. Ice covers most of the ocean surface year-round, causing subfreezing temperatures much of the time. The Arctic is a major source of very cold air that moves toward the equator, meeting with warmer air in the middle latitudes and causing rain and snow. Minimum temperatures of – 90° F are reached in Greenland and northern Siberia; maximum temperatures of about 23° F to 36° F are common on the ice sheet, and highs of 70°F 100° F are common on land areas.

    narciso (732bc0)

  74. Narciso, what point are you extracting from that old post? Remember that 1) we’re talking about the pole, not the whole region, and 2) maximum temps are in the summer, not the end of December. Above-freezing temps at the pole at this time of year are certainly not common. If we’re to believe today’s reports, this is only the fourth time it’s happened in nearly 60 years. That makes it not alarming, but notable. It certainly doesn’t mean anything in the greater scheme of things, next week it’ll be forgotten, or ought to be. But this week it’s news.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  75. Layers and layers of fact checkers.

    holygoat (bd26d0)

  76. Nah, Time Magazine isn’t biased. Time Magazine is RETARDED AND biased.

    Gus (7cc192)

  77. Imagine if they had used NORTH POLE, ALABAMA!!!

    Gus (7cc192)

  78. Watched ABC News this evening with David Muir (6 PM Pacific Time). One blurb was this self-same tripe about The North Pole being above freezing. Even after a whole day, they still ran with this bogus report. As someone said above: “Layers and layers of fact checkers.

    Bill M (906260)

  79. Republicans and their brother hussein will get what they want – more illegal m.f.’s coming into the country to take my work away.
    I swear to God if one of these republican hacks steps on pavement anywhere near my truck, I will flatten their traitorous, duck and cover azzes. What a pathetic party allowing hussein to get what he wants with no fight. jhmfc I am peeved.

    mg (31009b)

  80. While all you douchbags are yukking it up about the 40 degree prediction being for North Pole, AK, the ACTUAL NORTH POLE temperature as measured by PAWS buoy 923840 was 0.7C, or 35F. PAWS stands for POLAR AREA WEATHER STATION. http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/PAWS923840_atmos_recent.html

    bondibox (95bd95)

  81. Here’s the thing bondi.
    Today it was reported that the Great Salt Lake is at historic low level due to drought;
    there was historic flooding in Missouri
    ; and that the North Pole was unfrozen.
    All three almost assuredly wrong.

    I mean it’s wrong to take a mud flat situated at and between the mouth of the Missouri and Mississippi River, just because a handful of services ill advisedly built outlets in the swamp, and then when those places actually get swamped point and shout “Historic Flooding! Climate Change to blame!”
    The Great Salt Lake is the run off from whatever storms pass through California. Of course it’s low but then again it’s always low. You could roll a marble from Bonneville to Salt Lake on one shot. It’s that flat. Nowhere deeper than 30 feet.
    Let’s say your buoy, 200 km from the North Pole, got above freezing for a minute. I could point to a bunch of places within 200 km from my house that didn’t.

    All of these things couched as being a result of co2, AGW, Gore’s hoax, to fool the simple into backing the President’s next agenda.
    It’s game show climate, and any weather will do.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  82. media lies
    republican lies
    democrats told them to lie
    whose your daddy
    burn it down
    now

    mg (31009b)

  83. […] as belonging to the North Pole.” Fortunately, ever-alert blogger Patterico excerpted the post as originally written (the link to North Pole, Alaska’s conditions at Weather.com is in the […]

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  84. Perhaps they should sent a ship up to the North Pole to see if the ice is really thinning. Oh, right, someone did that and the ship got stuck in the ice.

    top116 (d094f8)

  85. Watched ABC News this evening with David Muir (6 PM Pacific Time). One blurb was this self-same tripe about The North Pole being above freezing. Even after a whole day, they still ran with this bogus report.

    Um, it’s not bogus. The pole did get above freezing, though probably not as high as the predicted 4° C. This post is not about that accurate report, it’s about a bogus TIME report that anticipated the facts, and got them embarassingly wrong.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  86. While all you douchbags are yukking it up about the 40 degree prediction being for North Pole, AK,

    Wrong. The prediction was for the north pole, that it would get unusually warm, perhaps as high as 40° F. In the event it made it to 33° F, which is unusual enough. This post isn’t about that, it’s about TIME claiming that the prediction had been reached and exceeded, because the stupid reporter looked at the wrong North Pole.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  87. 0.7C, or 35F.

    Um, what? How on God’s green earth do you get from 0.7° C to 35° F? I don’t think you’re in any position to mock anyone after that.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  88. All of these things couched as being a result of co2, AGW, Gore’s hoax, to fool the simple into backing the President’s next agenda.

    Actually the striking thing is that it’s not. All the coverage I’ve seen of the warm spell at the pole goes out of its way to emphasize that it’s down to El Niño, and not global warmening. They still believe in it, and yet they’re learning not to blame everything on it. There may be hope yet.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  89. Oh, and of course you’re correct that the pole did not unfreeze, and wouldn’t have even if the temp had peaked at 5° C instead of 1. I wonder if that stupid TIME reporter thinks ice cubes melt as soon as you take them out of the freezer.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  90. The ice at the north pole regularly does clear, once in a while in the summer. Something like 15 years ago the NY Times ran a photo of open water at the pole on the front page, as if it were some portentous event, and was then embarrassed when it turned out this was nothing unusual.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  91. They’ll always have their core audience of gullible New Yorkers…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. Temperatures at the North Pole rose above freezing point Wednesday, 20 degrees Celsius above the mid-winter norm and the latest abnormality in a season of extreme weather events.

    The polar region is the area of the world that has seen the most profound effects of climate change in recent decades.
    Average year-round temperatures in the Arctic are three degrees Celsius higher than they were in the pre-industrial era, snowfall is heavier, winds are stronger and the ice sheet has been shrinking for 30 years.

    The 2015 El Nino is regarded as perhaps the most powerful in a century and, combined with the effects of climate change, it has generated storms, flood and droughts in Central America and beyond.

    Dozens of Americans were killed in rare, late season tornados in the southern United States before Christmas, and then the hot El Nino air was dragged north along the Atlantic coast bringing T-shirt weather to normally frigid cities.

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-12-freak-heatwave-temperatures-north-pole.html#jCp

    Oh. They used all the euphemisms. Rare, late season, T-shirt weather, freak temperatures, climate change, extreme weather events.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  93. Bing news reports on the North Pole past 24 hours.

    https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=North+Pole+&qft=interval%3d%227%22&form=PTFTNR

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  94. Is it me or do they claim “weather events” are not indicative of climate change if and until a weather event indicates something associated with climate change then it does?

    The problem in believing that science can be “settled” is that when something new, formerly unknown or unusual is discovered these people fear “unsettling” the science so much they can’t open their minds to new possibilities and frontiers.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  95. Its all about sacrifices to the skydragon, for is but never for them. I find nature is such a mighty force compared to us puny humans it should make us humble.

    narciso (094d9b)

  96. Is it me or do they claim “weather events” are not indicative of climate change if and until a weather event indicates something associated with climate change then it does?

    In general it’s not just you, this used to be a pattern with them; unusually cold weather was always just weather, but unusually warm weather was climate. But they seem to have learned that that just makes them look ridiculous, so they changed “global warming” to “climate change” so that cold weather could be ascribed to it too. This story, however, shows that they’re learning caution, because they all seem to emphasize that it’s not global warmening or climate change or whatever they’re calling it this week, it’s just an unusually strong El Niño.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  97. To answer all: The point of the Time article was that yesterday’s temperature was 40-69 degrees above normal. 35 degrees F corresponds to 1.7C which is what many sources say the temp was at the ACTUAL north pole. My data was from two days ago and I mixed up 0.7C and 1.7C… so sue me. It’s still abnormally low. And pointing out that the Mississippi valley is low lying area doesn’t change the fact that the river is fourteen feet above flood stage. Now if you all want to put your money where your mouths are, then go ahead and buy some oceanfront property in Florida.

    bondibox (95bd95)

  98. I know the nit-pickers will harangue me me about this so
    It’s still abnormally HIGH

    bondibox (95bd95)

  99. Didn’t Al Gore buy some oceanfront property? Why yes, yes he did.
    It is interesting that the very people who claim there is no God also claim we are as powerful as gods.

    John Hitchcock (7bbeea)

  100. The ABC story at least puts scare quotes around “unfreeze”. But as far as I can tell, its claim that the pole experienced “a temperature high of upwards 40 degrees Fahrenheit” seems unfounded. 40° F was the upper bound of the prediction. The actuality seems to have fallen 7° short of that upper bound. It’s possible that ABC was misled by the TIME story. It’s also possible that the ABC reporter just assumed that whatever was predicted must have come true, and reported it as such.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  101. Unusually strong El Nino and the polar magnetic field are combining for the unusual weather we are having this season. It has nothing to do with CO2, which has been shown to be a TRAILING indicator and, thus, a dampening on warming.

    John Hitchcock (7bbeea)

  102. Bondibox, the TIME article anticipated events, and got them embarassingly wrong. That the pole did in fact experience a short warm spell doesn’t redeem it.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  103. John, what’s even more unusual is that the “experts” are acknowledging this, and not pretending that it’s global warmening, as they usually do.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  104. The point of the Time article was to take a report of a temporarily-elevated temperature at the North Pole and imply that it was due to Global Warming by ignoring the part of the report that said the elevation is temporary and due to a fluke weather pattern. The fact that the author linked a temperature reading from North Pole, Alaska instead of the actual North Pole makes the article both misleading and mock-worthy.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. It is also another in a long line of examples in which liberals and their handmaidens, the media, hypocritically use weather to support global warming/climate change. Weather that supports their beliefs is important. Weather that doesn’t support their beliefs can be disregarded. It’s very convenient.

    DRJ (15874d)

  106. climate change lol

    happyfeet (831175)

  107. This is another example of the way that liberalism in the context of the 21st century is truly corrupt and corrosive, if not flat-out idiotic. IOW, environmentalism and environmentalists decades ago, when garden-variety pollution was quite widespread and truly harmful (eg, tons of mercury poured off the coast of southern California by an industrial company back in the 1950s), were far closer to the middle-ground of the socio-political spectrum.

    But today?

    “Oh, the perils of CO2, what we humans exhale every few seconds!!! Terrible!”

    Pfft.

    Mark (f713e4)

  108. andthenthewholenorthpolemeltedtheend

    TIME mag ftw

    happyfeet (831175)

  109. The point of the Time article was to take a report of a temporarily-elevated temperature at the North Pole and imply that it was due to Global Warming

    You don’t know that. You’re assuming it, and maybe it’s so, but only a telepath could know what was in this idiot reporter’s mind.

    It is also another in a long line of examples in which liberals and their handmaidens, the media, hypocritically use weather to support global warming/climate change.

    Except that this time they didn’t. That’s what’s so remarkable about it.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  110. Milhouse, you’re again giving the benefit of the doubt to people of the left—and a non-liberal in the MSM is about as rare as a conservative in Hollywood. That’s another reason why I’ve pegged you as having no shortage of liberal bias.

    Mark (f713e4)

  111. Patterico shares my opinion regarding the goal of the article, Milhouse. Granted, it is our opinion and not fact, but we never claimed that. You are free to disagree but you aren’t the arbiter of what people get to believe.

    However, I agree it is interesting that the Washington Post, CNN and perhaps others explained the weather phenomenon that made this happen. The headlines were still inflammatory and many readers might not look further than that (some commenters here prove that, don’t they?), so I’m not willing to give the media as much credit as you are.

    DRJ (15874d)

  112. What’s all this talk about the North Pole. https://t.co/toydxwNpI5

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  113. Unless the article that was linked is not the correct one, it is talking about Greenland, Iceland, and the North Atlantic,
    none of which are near North Pole AK, or North Pole Australia (Australia??)

    As far as I can tell, the “correction”, whatever it is, continues to leave the article nonsensical.

    Way too much time has been spent on this at the prompting of a few…

    They messed up big time and did not clearly correct the problem. The article was consistent with the AGW narrative, no matter what their intention was.

    As said by some, I have seen the TV weather people, at least on some channels, correctly attribute the warm weather in AK to El Nino, so that is a positive note.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  114. Unless the article that was linked is not the correct one, it is talking about Greenland, Iceland, and the North Atlantic, none of which are near North Pole AK, or North Pole Australia (Australia??)

    That’s right. The article was always about the north pole, not North Pole AK. But it was based on combining a long-term forecast for the actual north pole with a weather report for North Pole AK. The reporter assumed that the weather report bore out the forecast, and reported it as such.

    As far as I can tell, the “correction”, whatever it is, continues to leave the article nonsensical.

    No, the correction makes the article correct. It’s also a major rewrite from the original article; not a lot of words were rewritten, but the whole thing changed from an inaccurate report about the actual weather to an accurate report about the predicted weather (which has since been overtaken by events).

    They messed up big time and did not clearly correct the problem.

    They did clearly correct the problem, but did not clearly note that it was a correction. A reader finding the article today would assume that only some minor detail needed correcting.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  115. Besides, at least on my computer screen, there is a video about “the front edge of Climate Change” or some such.

    Milhouse, you really have a problem with getting tunnel-vision and being argumentative.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  116. In his book, The Worst journey in the world, Apsley-Garrard reported that measurements taken in Antarctica found temperatures, in places, above freezing! Gloabal warming in 1912!

    felipe (56556d)

  117. Alora is having a sale the code is BOGO16

    it’s bogo on 16 oz diffusers so i got a couple for my gift drawer you should probably get some too for in case you need to have a gift handy sometime this year

    happyfeet (831175)

  118. So, are you freaking arguing that they are all ok and above board here???

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  119. I don’t have time for this, later.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  120. ah the argument clinic, now we’re in the holiday spirit, chances are the figures, were ‘nudged’ ala the hockey stick,

    narciso (732bc0)

  121. so narciso, are you telling me that I do have time for this… 😉

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  122. no clearly not, happy new year doc,

    narciso (732bc0)

  123. bondibox, give it a rest. According to your link, Buoy 64573 was at Latitude 75.397N on Dec. 28th which is 14.603 degrees, or 876.18 nm, south of the North Pole. Other buoys were much closer, but they weren’t above freezing, and wouldn’t fit your narrative. The one closest to the North Pole reported a temperature of -20.67C on Dec. 28th, and the air temperature has fallen to -26.76C today (see Simon Jester’s link at #2, above.)

    If someone deserves to be called a “douchbag” (see your #80) it is you. However, in the interest of clarity, I would note that the term is spelled with an “e”, as in douchebag.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  124. Besides, at least on my computer screen, there is a video about “the front edge of Climate Change” or some such.

    Oh yeah, the Kiribati video that has nothing to do with the article, but is nice viewing anyway. The Kiribati government is trying to guilt Australia or NZ to take in its entire population, because it’s their fault that the land will soon sink beneath the sea. Except that the sea is not cooperating. And neither is the land, which is growing rather than shrinking. Coral does that.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  125. I see you have a troll infestation. See you later.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  126. millhouse, the Times article is now “correct” in the same way that articles about AGW are “correct”. They are about predictions made by models, and the words “correctly” convey those predictions.

    The problem is that that the models, even short term weather models, do not do a good job of predicting. So while the words are “correct”, the theme of the article is a pile of horse scat.

    As noted above, the temperature reported by buoy #132472, which is about 145 nm south of the North Pole, has fallen 6C to -26.76C over the past two days. Is that consistent with the prediction? More to the point, why would you write an article about some political activist’s “prediction” when you could write about the actual temperatures, if temperatures were what concerned you?

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  127. BobStewartAtHome, you’re right that the buoy bondibox cited is 15° away and irrelevant. This is the relevant link. It’s estimated that the temperature at the pole hit 0.7&° C for a short time, less than six hours. But note the first comment, that the closest buoy never got above -9°. I don’t know where to look that up to confirm it.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  128. All I have to say,
    At this point, anyway,
    Is buoy oh buoy…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  129. More to the point, why would you write an article about some political activist’s “prediction” when you could write about the actual temperatures, if temperatures were what concerned you?

    Well, that was presumably the TIME reporter’s thinking, which is why she tried to look up the actual temperature instead of writing about the prediction. The Discover article on which she based her article was written ahead of the event. It’s about an actual weather prediction by actual meteorologists, not “climatologists” and not political activists. Meteorologists’ predictions are, of course, always newsworthy because everyone’s interested in the weather, especially unusual weather. It took pains to note that this was just weather, not climate. But the TIME reporter must have thought “that prediction should have come true by now, let’s see whether it did”, which is an admirable journalistic thought for her to have had, but unfortunately the implementation failed dramatically.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  130. the odd thing, she is the health reporter, for Time, which suggests divining, is the new fad,

    narciso (732bc0)

  131. Time Magazine views climate change as a health issue, which could explain why a health reporter is writing about odd weather. It also explains why some of us think Time has a climate change agenda.

    DRJ (15874d)

  132. Unlike broken clock
    This troll name of bondibox
    Is not correct twice

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  133. Ch-ch-ch-changes
    One thing we can depend on
    The weather will change

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  134. when they put the watch back together, they left out some gears, colonel,

    narciso (732bc0)

  135. weather for Thursday
    cloudy with chance of douchebags
    post accordingly

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. Anyone who reads the “news” these days and think they’re informed needs to put their head in a large bucket of water and take a deep breath.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  137. milhouse, I’m not into twitter. Ryan Maue may be a cool guy, and his graph of the NOAA Global Forecast System’s prediction for the 31st (today) may be “correct” in the sense that this is what the prediction said, but the comparison to reality looks to be off by +26C (too high, actual temperature was -26.76C) based on the only data I know about, which is thanks to Simon Jester.

    There was a somewhat unusual flow of moist air going from the Hawaiian Islands due north into Anchorage and Fairbanks over the past week. Normally these events, “pineapple expresses”, or “atmospheric rivers”, carry the moisture into British Columbia or the Washington-Oregon area, and less likely but common into California, but not so this time. And this happens every year, to one extent or another.

    It’s a hell of a world when anybody can get their 15 minutes of fame by opening a twitter account and posting a graph supporting AGW hysteria, based on nothing more that NOAA predictions. This is a good example of the state of “consensus science”, it’s built on models and not on reality.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  138. “Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

    According to the newly published survey of geoscientists and engineers, merely 36 percent of respondents fit the “Comply with Kyoto” model. The scientists in this group “express the strong belief that climate change is happening, that it is not a normal cycle of nature, and humans are the main or central cause.”

    The authors of the survey report, however, note that the overwhelming majority of scientists fall within four other models, each of which is skeptical of alarmist global warming claims.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. amazing!

    fire can’t melt steel, but CO2 can melt ice…

    SCIENCE!

    😎

    redc1c4 (2e9275)

  140. the odd thing, she is the health reporter, for Time

    That might explain why she didn’t know how to look up the correct information.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  141. milhouse, I’m not into twitter

    Nor am I, but this is what the WaPo article linked to as its source for the 0.7° C peak at the pole. Not the buoy 15° to the south that watsisname cited.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  142. she seems to be on gofer duty, this week, must have drawn the short straw,

    narciso (732bc0)

  143. she’s on pooch-screwin’ duty is what she’s on

    Alexandra Sifferlin is a LOSER

    i bet her parents are so ashamed

    happyfeet (831175)

  144. milhouse, the WaPo must be getting desperate. I can imagine the editor commanding his news room, “Everybody!!! Listen UP!!! We’ve got 5 minutes to find something that supports our story. Anything will do, it’s a Holiday after all. Use Bing, use Goggle, heck, try webcrawler. First one to get me a reference with a graph gets the rest of the day off! Now hit it!!”

    This gets better and better.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  145. I guess it’s like that film the happening, where the plants drive people mad in revenge,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/248352-claim-200-million-americans-will-suffer-psychological-distress-from-climate-change/

    mark and zoe should be more discerning in picking projects,

    narciso (732bc0)

  146. that paper’s authored by fox news scientology whack job greta van susteren’s sister Mr. narciso

    happyfeet (831175)

  147. narciso (732bc0o)

    Those are the same 200 million who needed group therapy when “The Day After” came on TV. You know, back in the 80s when Ronald Reagan blew up the world with nuclear weapons.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  148. or a smaller subset that needed therapy to deal with the 2000 election,

    narciso (732bc0)

  149. There has been a heat wave of sorts in the North Pole this week that might even have Santa trading in his sleigh for swim trunks.

    this is effing awful

    Santa please don’t do it.

    Please?

    happyfeet (831175)

  150. Bondi said,

    It’s still abnormally low. And pointing out that the Mississippi valley is low lying area doesn’t change the fact that the river is fourteen feet above flood stage.

    You know what happens downstream when the Lake of the Ozarks opens all of it’s floodgates at once?

    Anger. That’s what. Anger mounts against Bagnell Dam operator in wake of flood.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  151. the wattsup link, shows there was a brief spike at the end of the year, which really means little,

    narciso (732bc0)

  152. Ameren Missouri opens all floodgates at the Bagnell Dam

    All 12 gates at the Bagnell Dam at the Ameren Missouri Osage Energy Center were opened to alleviate flooding, according to Ameren Missouri. As of Sunday….

    Ameren Missouri urged property owners at the Lake of the Ozarks and along the Osage River to use precautionary measures for the next several days. Property owners are encouraged to turn off electricity running to their docks or any other structures that might be covered by water.
    [The Osage river is a tributary of the Missouri river.]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameren
    The Ameren Missouri subsidiary owns Bagnell Dam on the Osage River, which forms the Lake of the Ozarks. Ameren Missouri is responsible for managing water levels on the lake according to federal regulations.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  153. I’m smelling a government made disaster phonied up as “evidence” of global warming.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  154. big wheel keep on turnin proud mary keep on burnin

    happyfeet (831175)

  155. BLASPEMERS!!!!
    REPENT BEFORE THE GREEN RAPTURE IS UPON US!!!!

    and send money…

    Stan (d99775)

  156. #148: narciso, the nwr.org “study” would be more aptly titled “The Psychological Effects of Fostering the Global Warming Mass Delusion.” I find it only too predictable that those who bear some responsibility for the “effects” of their delusion would use the hysteria they have created as yet another reason to fear AGW. It is a viscous loop.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  157. very viscous , at that
    spell checkers…
    I’ve heard it said that public schools are going to quite teaching “writing”, i.e., penmanship, as it is assumed everyone will use a keyboard,
    is that true??

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  158. MD,

    There is no longer time in the school day for the Palmer method given all the new academic standards to be met.

    Dana (86e864)

  159. Hell has frozen over. Andy Revkin of the NYT global warming blog Dot Earth agrees with my prognosis of the Missouri floods.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  160. Ooops!! The Navier-Stokes equation takes a vicious turn. No excuses. But thanks Doc.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  161. papertiger, isn’t it curious that the levees have to get higher and higher as time goes on? New Orleans is almost an alternate reality as you look at a freighter passing by, with the waterline/plimsoll marks high above your head.

    I recall reading that the real catastrophe that awaits is a break in the west side of the Mississippi River levee a bit north of the Mississippi/Louisiana border. The water would flow naturally to the southwest and leave New Orleans high and dry. This would, no doubt, result in a massive earth moving project to divert the river back into its previous channel, 10 or 15 feet above its newly dug route to the sea.

    Climate Change …

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  162. Dana (86e864) — 1/1/2016 @ 2:43 pm

    Umm, is that the reason given, or a sarcastic comment by you, or ???

    Every Nobel prize winner in Physics and Chemistry and medicine learned to write…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

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