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10/11/2015

CBS News: Ted Cruz in Third Place

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:50 pm



As the silly season continues, CBS News reports that Trump is still on top and Ben Carson is still second. The real lede, however, is buried in paragraph two. Guess who’s #3? If you didn’t read the headline, I won’t keep you in suspense any longer:

The rest of the Republican field is in single digits, with Texas Senator Ted Cruz inching up into third place with nine percent, followed by Florida Sen. Marco Rubio with eight percent. Businesswoman Carly Fiorina and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush follow at six percent each. Former Governor Mike Huckabee has also slipped considerably since the summer, from eight percent in August to just two percent today.

Cruz has been running a very strong ground game in Iowa and is well poised for the SEC primaries. Also, as the flash-in-the-pans start to fade (hopefully), and Cruz gets more facetime with the American people, voters will start to see that he doesn’t come across like the nasty guy Big Media says he is.

And he is smart as a whip. He would crucify Hillary Clinton in any debate. Rubio can’t. He’s too callow.

I’m still banking on Cruz. In my morose moods I worry a little that the electorate will fall for the empty celebrity of a Trump. But on an early Sunday afternoon on this lovely Columbus Day weekend, I am feeling good about Ted Cruz.

85 Responses to “CBS News: Ted Cruz in Third Place”

  1. i need me a therapy dog to help me process the idea that a kim davis butt-snuffler might indeed be the best choice amongst those still in contention

    i need me a therapy dog toot and also sweet

    god bless america how do these things happen

    haven’t had a dream in a long time

    happyfeet (831175)

  2. In my morose moods I worry a little that the electorate will fall for the empty celebrity of a Trump.

    That’s nothing. When I’m in a similar mood, I worry too many Americans will fall for Hillary (or “Goddamn America, Part 2″) or Slow-Joe or the radical from Vermont.

    Mark (f713e4)

  3. It’s Rubio’s callowness that makes him a satisfactory substitute for the faltering Bush among the Party’s elite.

    ThOR (a52560)

  4. I am feeling good about Ted Cruz.

    So am I, my friend, so am I.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  5. Good news. Let’s remember who the real enemy is.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. Sen. Cruz’ quarterly fundraising report is equally positive and significant.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  7. In my morose moods I worry a little that the electorate will fall for the empty celebrity of a Trump.

    Or as I put it yesterday elsewhere, watching Trump on the stump is like watching the Hansen Brothers play hockey. People don’t realize what it is they’re looking at, but they sure do like it.

    Bill H (2a858c)

  8. Trump has been good in his own way, but he’s really a Democrat/liberal and most likely would return to his roots. As it is, he backtracks quite often. And do we want him to choose a Supreme Court judge? We can’t afford another liberal. Then there are those who say that, at least, Trump loves America. That’s a far cry from what we have now but it isn’t enough. There’s no doubt that all the candidates love America. Even Boehner and McConnell love America. But do they love us when they enact laws that hurt us? Cruz loves America, the Constitution, and he’ll fight for us! That’s what I want.

    Rosalie (ce55d8)

  9. Will President Cruz be able to nominate himself to the Supreme Court?

    Jim (1bc509)

  10. there’s gold in them thar heels

    every day i’m snuffling

    happyfeet (831175)

  11. Just wondering… where are the debates between Hillary and Bernie and the lot on that side of the bench?

    Why are we setting the GOP front runners long before the first primaries? We’re still four MONTHS before the first Iowa Caucuses…

    Hmmm?

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (ebd53f)

  12. Fair disclosure: I’m leaning hard for Trump.

    Once Trump’s popularity was indisputably confirmed, it became obvious he could win the nomination and likely would if he didn’t self-destruct. Senator Cruz wisely recognized the political dynamics and positioned himself to inherit most of Trump’s support when and if the NY real estate mogul falters.

    Cruz knows GOP voters are fed up with the Republican establishment and are clamoring for an outsider to sweep the party clean of two-faced career political prostitutes who promise conservative reform on the stump but deliver only the same old unsatisfactory status quo once safely in office – and the voters be damned.

    Although Cruz is a sitting Senator (which puts him inside the GOP’s tent) he’s also been at such odds with GOP leadership that he has the political creds to pass for an insurgent outsider, and he is legitimately outside the GOP’s Old Boys club. Truth is Cruz is as equally unwelcome at the RNC as he would be at the DNC.

    So, if you’re hankering for a conservative president but can’t bring yourself to put money on the frontrunner, then the dark horse from Texas is making the right moves to be Johnny-on-the-spot if opportunity knocks. Trump has powerful enemies out to sabotage his candidacy, and it only takes a thoughtless jibe or unkind word to kill a candidate (remember Senator Allen and Macaca?) Cruz should keep his skirts scrupulously clean and prepare to lead a paradigm shift in American politics, fortune favors the well prepared.

    ropelight (a7a0d6)

  13. Trump has been good in his own way, but he’s really a Democrat/liberal and most likely would return to his roots.

    “Most likely”? Why the need to waffle on this?

    He’s a freaking Dem and he’s always BEEN a dem. He’s the textbook example of a RINO. And too many people are too stupid these days to recognize this blatant fact.

    All he’s doing is mouthing what the LIVs on the right want to hear. He’s acting out the part of the right-version of OBAMA. He’s selling the right-side version of Hope And Change to the LIVs of the right. They just haven’t given it a name yet.

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (ebd53f)

  14. trump and trash are synonyms

    but hillary is too

    not to mention huckabee

    home chick chicks come to roost

    happyfeet (831175)

  15. well LIV were the ones who voted for Romney, despite his having affirmed policy with MassCare and the Climate Compact,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  16. IGotBupkis, the first Democratic party debate is going to be held on Tuesday of next week. It’s hosted by CNN at 9pm EDT. It is sponsored by CNN and the Nevada Democratic Party. The participants will be Clinton, Sanders, O’Malley, Webb, and Chaffee. Biden will be allowed to participate if he actually comes off the fence.

    There aren’t as many organized as there are on the Republican party side. I suspect in large part that’s because the media and the party leadership expected a coronation with no need for debates; the Sanders surge and the flirtations of Biden were not planned for.

    aphrael (4eae3a)

  17. I’m troubled more by the jackasses who sat on their hands last election cycle, not Romney voters, narciso.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  18. well they believed he was a dog choking tax cheat, you can’t fix stupid like that, but the marquis of stevens rules, made the narrative stick,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  19. romney was never the answer

    unless you were asking really retarded questions

    happyfeet (831175)

  20. well they believed he was a dog choking tax cheat, you can’t fix stupid like that, but the marquis of stevens rules, made the narrative stick,

    narciso (ee1f88) — 10/11/2015 @ 4:21 pm

    A good portion of the blame for the success of that narrative rests with Romney himself. He refused to fight it with any purpose, preferring instead to believe in the power of goodness. Guess what, Mitt: you effed up. You were too trusting. Stupid like that practiced by the electorate in choosing a President is going to stick when you don’t drop the hammer immediately and often.

    Bill H (2a858c)

  21. I put more blame on the handler, like Stevens and Fehrstrom, who should be properly,

    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/donald-trump-brands-angela-merkel-migrant-policy-insane-1230911

    narciso (ee1f88)

  22. Cruz has raised a lot of money but, sorry, he’s another lawyer !

    I think Carson’s surge is hurting Carly which is too bad.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  23. In the debate when Obama lied about Benghazi and Candy Crawled backed him up Mitt Romney didn’t have the balls to fight back. Then and there voters took his measure: Romney wouldn’t call Obama’s bluff even when he held all the aces. The winning move was to go all-in, but Romney folded. He’s a better man than Obama and would have made a much better president, but when the chips were down Romney put his tail between his legs and wimped out.

    ropelight (a7a0d6)

  24. carly fetalrrhea says and i quote

    “this ludicrous ben carson person is just not a good thing for my career in politics so he needs to cut it the eff out”

    look at my crabby ugly pinched face if you don’t believe me

    happyfeet (831175)

  25. I worry a little that the electorate will fall for the empty celebrity of a Trump.

    That is lazy and self-indulgent. Trump leads because he took the most aggressively restrictionist position on immigration. If he waffled on that like Walker, Trump would crater overnight. His celebrity doesn’t explain his popularity, and it wouldn’t save him.

    scrutineer (b7d257)

  26. rope, you are not wrong but smarter voters should have noted that CC had his speech conveniently open on the very page where TFG made his ludicrous claim. That right there should have alerted them to the skulduggery going on.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  27. Trump’s ego will not allow him to fail. I believe he would send them all packing. What a legacy in a wonderful but oddly Chinese proverb kind of way.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  28. I plan on driving up to cow hampshire in the near future to hear Mr. Cruz speak
    Also buy some cheddar cheese and Maple syrup.

    mg (31009b)

  29. mind you is despite the virtual media embargo on ted,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  30. I put more blame on the handler, like Stevens and Fehrstrom, who should be properly,

    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/donald-trump-brands-angela-merkel-migrant-policy-insane-1230911

    narciso (ee1f88) — 10/11/2015 @ 4:40 pm

    A case can certainly made in your direction. I genuinely handlers are the second coming of a Manchurian Candidate way of politicking. But when you present yourself as a smart man with a resume, you need to be that smart man or the resume is worthless. When you’re fully aware that the candidate you’re facing has a track record like Obama’s, you need to override your handlers at least some of the time.

    Bill H (2a858c)

  31. well campaigns have become prohibitively expensive, because of television costs and these sherpas you have to hire, who often leave you stranded on the mountaintop, having gotten their cut,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  32. In the debate when Obama lied about Benghazi and Candy Crawled backed him up Mitt Romney didn’t have the balls to fight back. Then and there voters took his measure: Romney wouldn’t call Obama’s bluff even when he held all the aces.

    ropelight (a7a0d6) — 10/11/2015 @ 4:57 pm

    Romney got 59% of the white vote in 2012, the same percent Reagan got in his landslide victory in 1984. I don’t think blacks and hispanics were waiting on him to go for the jugular over Benghazi. The one group that Romney did surprisingly bad with was Asians. I haven’t researched the details but I have a hunch he got massacred among under-40 Asians.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  33. Romney lost for two big reasons …

    1) He did not fight back in the 2/3 debates. Dumb.
    2) Sandy + Christie BJ of Obola

    Otherwise I think Romney does win if by the slimmest of margins.

    He looked weak coming out of the 2nd and 3rd and left an open door in the minds of voters.

    Sandy came along and captured the American Public’s imagination and hearts right before the election. Christie helping polish Obama’s apple was a back breaker for these “vulnerable” voters — many of which would not have even gone to the polls.

    That is my opinion FWIW.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  34. And as much as I like Ted, I don’t think he can win unless there is a very low turn out.

    Which means demotivated Hillary supporters is the best strategy to winning.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  35. #s 26 & 32, during the debate had Romney called out Obama on his string of Benghazi lies with the national media and public audience hanging on every word, he would have ignited a media firestorm and kicked open the door for a great many others to put the Administration’s cock-n-bull story under a microscope and leave Obama, Hillary, and Susan Rice naked and ashamed.

    It would have sharply diminished Obama’s turnout and likely put Romney in the Oval Office.

    ropelight (a7a0d6)

  36. Two Trump and Cruz both get;first, there is a huge number of disaffected white working and middle class voters who did not show up in 2012, and perhaps not in 2008 either. The GOPe spends an a awful lot of time worrying about votes they will never get. Instead of maxing out their obvious base voters, they chase white whales instead. I like Ben Carson, but suspect even if he were on the ticket it would change nothing.

    Second, if we do not stop the crazy illegal immigration not much else matters-not yahoo Kim Davis, not abortion, none of the various other Frank Luntz pet sounds of GOPe means a darn thing if you allow the US to become a one party banana republic embarrassment. fiscal mismanagement and endless war are also big issues,but clear you have to fix that one big thing forthwith.Or else.

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  37. Re Cruz & voter turnout: This George Will op ed on National Review surprised me both because Will, for the first time I can recall, seemed something other than hostile to Ted Cruz and because I think Will might actually be right about whether the voter mobilization plan Will describes is indeed the kind of thing Cruz might have planned upon.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  38. Gerald A – The one group that Romney did surprisingly bad with was Asians. I haven’t researched the details but I have a hunch he got massacred among under-40 Asians.

    Romney and the GOP were too abrasively pro-Christian and pro-White. The party needs to become more cosmopolitan to attract Asian voters.

    Please read the comments to get a taste of what they dislike about Republicans: The GOP’s Asian-American Fiasco

    scrutineer (b7d257)

  39. #36-Romney took a powder. Will never know why Romney/Ryan ran so scared and tepid. Along the same lines at a loss why Ryan is even a Speaker possibility after getting his arse kicked by Joe Hairplugs Neil Kinnock MBNA Biden. Ryan increasingly is a lot like Obama-looks the part, but when you look at his voting record or he opens his mouth the magic is gone.

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  40. well not all that surprising, Will was disdainful of Reagan, as late as two years before,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  41. I’ve already linked the actual Ryan-Biden debate. Regarding who was perceived at the time to have won it, I submit this:

    According to the CNN poll of independents, Paul Ryan won the debate, 48% to 44%. The same poll showed that people who watched the debate believed that Paul Ryan expressed himself better than Joe Biden, 50%-41%. An NBC poll of 435 uncommitted voters after the debate showed Paul Ryan winning with 63% to 31%. CNBC had it 56% to 36%, again with Paul Ryan coming out on top. Even the Danville Advocate Messenger had Paul Ryan on top at the end of the day, attracting 56% to Biden’s 41%.

    So how could Joe Biden’s strategy have backfired so horribly? It’s quite simple. He did not come off as ‘presidential.’ He wasn’t Joe Biden. He was Malarkey McSmirk.

    That’s exactly consistent with my own recollection.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  42. If you want a smart, conservative President, you will vote for Cruz. I like Carson as much as the next guy. Sure, Rubio is a good guy who I also would support. If I have to, I would vote for Trump. I would vote for my schizophrenic next door neighbor against Hillary! or Sanders. Regardless, if you are a true conservative, there is only one choice.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  43. I’d vote for him.

    DNF (4a9f41)

  44. I watched Bernie Sanders on Meet the Depressed this morning. He came off a lot less nutty than I’d ever seen him before. I agreed with a surprising number of his positions, more often than not he was right on the issues for all the wrong reasons but right nevertheless. I see why he’s doing so well against Hillary. Sanders is a socialist but he’s an American socialist, and a force to be reckoned with. It’s no wonder the DNC is limiting debates, Hillary won’t be able to stand up against Sanders, he’ll take her apart, and she knows it.

    ropelight (a7a0d6)

  45. well besides trade, has he mentioned how QE 2 was a gift to the rich, he was right about ‘a quagmire within a quagmire’ but not who poured the water,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  46. If you cannot point out Biden is an embarrassment, and beat his like a drum, you didn’t win.

    A Dem debate with Biden and Hillary could be fascinating with 2 total liars trying to outdo each other, coupled with a socialist.

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  47. Sanders represents the Occupy movement, and you would do well to remember that the original Occupy movement , before it attracted all the Leftist cause du jour people, was a protest against much of what the Tea Party was angry over. It was the solutions they wanted, and the failure to keep the cause du jour people away, that was wrong with Occupy.

    And now they have a guy running for POTUS. In this cycle, the Tea Party has yet to settle on who represents them. Cruz? Carson? Trump?

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  48. if 2010 was a teaparty election, and 2014 less so, 2012 was an occupy election, how else to explain Red Squaw, the most left wing candidate since H Stuart Hughes,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  49. Please read the comments to get a taste of what they dislike about Republicans: The GOP’s Asian-American Fiasco

    The passage in that essay that goes to the heart of the issue is the following:

    The main reason for the growing support for Democrats among members of this electoral bloc is that that younger and more educated Asian-Americans are drifting by large numbers to Obama’s party, very much like younger and more educated white Americans.

    Simply put, the idiocy of liberalism is a HUMAN problem that transcends race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc. Such a reality — and ignoring it — is made worse because of the ascendance of political correctness and all its mealy-mouthed, shhh-don’t-be-candid! qualities.

    Annoyance with such a dynamic is a major reason why a loudmouth (and that label isn’t necessarily a pejorative, in this or other instances) like Donald Trump does quite well with various people.

    If the illness of liberalism weren’t so pervasive among the human species, I’d easily, quickly, automatically favor — and have full confidence in — Ted Cruz over the big-haired-squish from New York City. But we live in perilous times — if only ideologically — so nothing can be taken for granted in 2016, and all the old rules and assumptions have to be tossed out.

    Mark (f713e4)

  50. Rubio is rapidly becoming the “acceptable” GOP right wing candidate in the MSM. He is instantly likeable. Watch very closely as Cruz is not allowed to ever gain real traction and Rubio is presented as the “reasonable” choice.

    Hugh Hewitt outed himself today as a dyed-in-the-wool centrist and de facto statist. Most unfortunate. Watch as he champions the RINO establishment in the race for Speaker, and later as he takes shots at Cruz being unelectable with higher “unfavorables'” in polling. For Hugh, Nixon will always be the one.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  51. well not all that surprising, Will was disdainful of Reagan, as late as two years before,

    narciso (ee1f88) — 10/11/2015 @ 8:09 pm

    I’m not too excised by anything chattering classes have to say about Reagan. He did one hell of a lot more positive on a slow day than George Will ever dreamt of.

    Bill H (2a858c)

  52. I watched Bernie Sanders on Meet the Depressed this morning. He came off a lot less nutty than I’d ever seen him before. I agreed with a surprising number of his positions, more often than not he was right on the issues for all the wrong reasons but right nevertheless. I see why he’s doing so well against Hillary. Sanders is a socialist but he’s an American socialist, and a force to be reckoned with. It’s no wonder the DNC is limiting debates, Hillary won’t be able to stand up against Sanders, he’ll take her apart, and she knows it.

    ropelight (a7a0d6) — 10/11/2015 @ 8:52 pm

    I have to admit that I admire Sanders for openly being a Socialist and he makes no bones about it. He, AFIK, has always been honest about it. I also understand he can speak quite well- that is, unless there are Black Lies Matter people in the audience. But that’s as far as I can support him. I do think a matchup between him and Trump would be quite amusing. Very bad for the country, but entertaining.

    Bill H (2a858c)

  53. He wasn’t Joe Biden. He was Malarkey McSmirk.

    The only time Joe Biden ISN’T Malarkey McSmirk is when he’s Hoofinmouth McSwinehund

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (c6feb7)

  54. I keep expecting Trump to say “Never mind that little man behind the curtain.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  55. how else to explain Red Squaw, the most left wing candidate since H Stuart Hughes,

    She’s 1/19th Mohican, and Massachusetts is crawling with Mohicans. And then there’s the Harvard and MIT faculty.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  56. I’ll resist the urge to speak ill of Ted. Far As I Know the only difference between polls, this week and last, was Cruz claiming he’ll absorb Trump voters as The Donald drops out of the race.

    But what about the meltdown of Fiorina? How come that isn’t the story?
    Donald Trump is still the overwhelming leader. Ben Carson is still holding on to distant second.
    The rest are in single digits.

    The story should have been about Carly’s faceplant. It’s the Ridiculousness clip of the week.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  57. Is Hugh Hewitt Kathleen Parker’s little b-tch.

    mg (31009b)

  58. 16. aphrael (4eae3a) — 10/11/2015 @ 4:16 pm

    the first Democratic party debate is going to be held on Tuesday of next week.

    Isn’t it on October 13, which is Tuesday of this week?

    Sammy Finkelman (6c2cdd)

  59. younger and more educated Asian-Americans are drifting by large numbers to Obama’s party, very much like younger and more educated white Americans.

    Mark (f713e4) — 10/11/2015 @ 9:42 pm

    Simply put, the idiocy of liberalism is a HUMAN problem that transcends race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc.

    I don’t think these people are attracted by much of liberalism.

    It shoujld be obvious this is caused by the Republican position on immigration. Younger Asians are more likely to be immigrants or the children of immigrantrs and certainly friends and associates of immigrants, and may have family members abroad, or here illegally, whom they want to be here legally, and the category “Americans” includes many people from immigrant families. The younger ones are more likely to be born here, and this “Americans” not to mention to be personally acquainted with people born out side the United States.

    And the Republicans even seriously entertain abolishing borthright citizenship!

    How could they possibly be inclined toward Republicans?

    Sammy Finkelman (6c2cdd)

  60. What “meltdown of Fiorina”?

    nk (dbc370)

  61. i googled and couldn’t find one

    happyfeet (831175)

  62. Here.

    Businesswoman Carly Fiorina and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush follow at six percent each.

    See that part where Fiorina isn’t in the top three anymore? Not even in the top five.
    If it were a show she would be on the “also starring” card.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  63. Ryan isn’t just a thoroughgoing dissapointment, he is a liar of Clintonesque proportions.

    DNF (4a9f41)

  64. Me neither. The worst I could find was some dipstick in the NYT chiding her for slandering the Middle Ages; he proclaiming that medieval Spain was a golden age of tolerance where the Inquisition Christians, Jews and Muslim lived together in peace, love and harmony.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. Meltdown is kind of too strong a term for a drop in some BS poll.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. This seals the deal.
    Obama: Trump won’t be president.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  67. Money!

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  68. Money money money money, money!

    That almighty dollar.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  69. Meltdown is kind of too strong a term for a drop in some BS poll.

    nk (dbc370) — 10/12/2015 @ 6:35 am

    I’m not married to the terminology. Let’s call it a stumble. Fiorina stumbles to sixth place.
    Can’t find solid footing. Lost pace with the leaders. Tumbled.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  70. yeah she’s looking like a flash in the pan

    a very fancy enameled le creuset one

    that she probably never uses

    because she’s such a loser

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  71. medieval Spain was a golden age of tolerance where the Inquisition Christians, Jews and Muslim lived together in peace, love and harmony.

    It was for a time rather tolerant, in the earlier Middle Ages, up to about 1100 CE. Probably the fact that for most of that era, the Moslems were politically united and Christian Europe was still feeling its way out of the post Roman Empire period (this was the era of the Vikings, who wrought far more havoc on Christian Europe than the Moslems ever did) so the Spanish emirs did not have the inferiority complex vis a vis Europe which modern Muslims have). About 1000-1100 that started to change on both sides of the religious divide, and the arrival of the Almohades made Iberia one of the least tolerant regions.
    And the Spanish Inquisition was not medieval. Ferdinand and Isabella started it 14 years before they sent Columbus sailing over the ocean blue.

    Speaking of which, happy Italian American day to everyone.

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  72. kishnevi, I see you use that “CE” nonsense the leftists in academia reamed up so they wouldn’t have to mention “Christ”, (shudder). Good for you. You are now officially part of the problem.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  73. Rev H., BCE and CE have been used for a long time by Jews. I learned to use it as a preteen, back when Nixon was President. Yes, we do it for religious reasons, to avoid mentioning the Nazarene, but also to emphasise that the year count is the secular count–we are now in the year 5776 of Creation.

    Leftism has nothing to do with it.

    kishnevi (28fa9f)

  74. Actually, the Left probably got the idea from us in the first place.

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  75. And Wikipedia shows it being used in the Victorian era.

    As early as 1825, the abbreviation VE (for Vulgar Era) was in use among Jews to denote years in the Western calendar.[55]

    Common Era notation has also been in use for Hebrew lessons for “more than a century”.[56] Some Jewish academics were already using the CE and BCE abbreviations by the mid-19th century, such as in 1856, when Rabbi and historian Morris Jacob Raphall used the abbreviation in his book Post-Biblical History of The Jews.[57][f]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

    kishnevi (31ba4e)

  76. Heh. I just saw that it’s supposed to stand for Common Era. I’ve been reading it in sci-fi for decades as Christian Era. Which is what it is. The 2015th year of the Christian Era.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. It’s no biggie, Hoagie. It’s like Kwanza. Or Esperanto. Ok, kishnevi, let’s hear you say shibboleth. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  78. Offtrack. Sorry. I had just that one more.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  79. Heh. I just saw that it’s supposed to stand for Common Era. I’ve been reading it in sci-fi for decades as Christian Era. Which is what it is. The 2015th year of the Christian Era.

    nk (dbc370) — 10/12/2015 @ 9:24 am

    I think it’s more accurate to say this is the 1982nd (or so) year of the Christian era.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  80. According to Wiki BCE/CE is : “to avoid reference to Christianity and, in particular, to avoid naming Christ as Lord”. So if there is any reason for a pro American or a non moslem to use BC and AD that definition is it. That’s all that PC, white guilt anti-Christian crap leftists are so fond of.

    I imagine they believe they’ll die if they say the name “CHRIST”. There is no end to the idiocy of the left.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  81. BTW, being in use “among Jews” years ago means nothing. The fact is it’s being used now by the very people who would murder all the Jews if they had the opportunity and therefore, should not be used by Freedom loving Americans. Just so you know, my late wife was Jewish and her family and she used BC/AD.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  82. “This seals the deal.
    Obama: Trump won’t be president.”

    The thought of the goings on in the Oval Office around noon of 1/20/2017 were that to pass. If Obama says it will not happen, seriously want to put money on exactly that happening.

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  83. Cruz is also third in the Fox News poll so this wasn’t an anomaly.

    DRJ (521990)


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