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10/4/2015

Obama, Silent on Christians Being Targeted for Their Religion, Was Not Silent When Muslims Were Targeted

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:29 pm



Barack Obama, February 13, 2015, after the slaying of three Muslims in North Carolina:

President Barack Obama said Friday that no one should be targeted for what they look like or how they worship as he and First Lady Michelle Obama offered condolences to the families of three Muslim American students killed in Chapel Hill, N.C. this week.

In a statement, Obama called the slayings “brutal and outrageous” and said “no one in the United States of America should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship.”

We have now heard accounts from three eyewitnesses, reported through relatives, that the Oregon shooter targeted Christians for being Christians. The Washington Post cited the statements of Anastasia Boylan and J.J. Vicari:

In one classroom, he appeared to single out Christian students for killing, according to witness Anastasia Boylan.

“He said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you’re going to see God in just about one second,’” Boylan’s father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying his daughter’s account while she underwent surgery to treat a gunshot to her spine.

“And then he shot and killed them.”

Another account came from Autumn Vicari, who described to NBC News what her brother J.J. witnessed in the room where the shootings occurred. According to NBC: “Vicari said at one point the shooter told people to stand up before asking whether they were Christian or not. Vicari’s brother told her that anyone who responded ‘yes’ was shot in the head. If they said ‘other’ or didn’t answer, they were shot elsewhere in the body, usually the leg.”

The Los Angeles Times today adds a third eyewitness account, that of Lacey Scroggins:

Lacey looked to her left and saw Harper-Mercer shoot someone. “’And his body dropped to the ground, and I realized this is not a drill any longer,’“ Scroggins recalled his daughter saying.

She lay on the floor with her arms in front of her and heard the shooter say: “You, in the orange shirt. Stand up. What religion are you? Are you a Christian?”

When the student answered, Lacy told her father, “I heard, Daddy, I heard a pop, and then the thud of a body that just hit the ground.” The gunman asked the same question of another student and shot them, too, she said.

So far, not a word from Obama about these students being targeted for being Christian.

I’m sure Big Media could get drag a reluctant statement from Obama about how targeting Christians is wrong — if they put the question to him directly (but of course Big Media mainstream publications would never think to do so). But he’s not going to say anything without being prodded. If the shooter had been targeting Muslims, the news cycle would be dominated for days by stories about religious bigotry and how it caused the shooting. And Barack Obama would be at the forefront of it.

But targeting Christians? Yawn.

Thanks to Kevin Gutzman on Facebook for pointing this out.

78 Responses to “Obama, Silent on Christians Being Targeted for Their Religion, Was Not Silent When Muslims Were Targeted”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (fecd9b)

  2. obama’s condolences and a melon baller will help make it to where the various melons you serve is uniformly shaped

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. How dare anyone question the motives of a God-King!

    askeptic (efcf22)

  4. Maybe if our Preisdent hadn’t jumped on the shooting with both feet, turning it into a political spectacle, he could comment about how targeting people any person because of the religion is wrong, and taken a very high road.

    Instead, he now has the distinction of calling for gun laws to be tightened when the prevailing perception is this black person shot a bunch of people for being Christian with legally bought firearms.

    MrScience_ (cd3d49)

  5. Aren’t Obama (and The Left) silent whenever police officers are killed? Aren’t Obama (and The Left) silent whenever whites are victimized by black criminals?

    It’s all the same twisted, divisive principle: you don’t betray “the cause” by expressing sympathy toward “the enemy.” If you express sympathy toward “the enemy,” it’s a tacit admission that your side is not the only one with legitimate complaints.

    And, of course, according to The Left, only certain “groups” have “legitimate” complaints.

    Deuce Frehley (73c323)

  6. My Code of the Social Justice Warrior textbook tells me that the murder of Christians is “punching up” while the murder of Muslims is “punching down.” That’s why only one of them comes in for special condemnation from the President.

    JVW (ba78f9)

  7. The way Obama spewed forth his stupidity combined with the virtual lid the media put on any information about the shooter I can make only one assumption: Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer was a sullen low-life atheist with anti-Christian pathology who because of his hidden homosexuality and the usual accompanying sexual dysfunction was unable to keep a girl friend or even a queer boy friend. His deep seated belief that he was superior to all others, especially white Christians because he was a half black biracial victim of white and Christian oppression lead hi to such contempt for others he felt “entitled” to kill any lesser beings or any beings not as enlightened. He believed it an act of unselfishness, compassion and empathy to put these misogynistic, homophobic, pro-God, conservative racists out of their misery. In other words, he was at true believer in fundamentally changing the United States of America and was just trying to do his part. Just as Linda Stasi (how’s that for an appropriate name?) of the NY Daily News thinks the NRA should be on the Terrorist watch list and anybody who belongs is a domestic terrorist is doing her part in support of our Tyrant Leader.

    They are liberals and thus by definition are experts at everything!

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  8. BTW, the family was leftist, liberal and democrat. Don’t believe me? Then why is his last name a “Modern Man” hyphenated Harper-Mercer.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  9. Actually, we should be relieved that President Goddamn America hasn’t seized on and politicized that the killer described himself (purportedly) on a blog as a “conservative Republican.” Or a person who loves guns and the NRA. But something about that doesn’t sit well with me. However, yes, mental illness does affect all people regardless of their politics or party affiliation. Nonetheless…

    I wonder if I’m being too cynical in wondering whether story lines in today’s America (such as in this case) are being somehow ginned up to serve the goals of people lurking in the shadows (eg, cuckoo liberals in government agencies, etc), much less all the dishonest, manipulative people manning the MSM.

    Mark (f713e4)

  10. By the time the lsm is done, this guy will be a native born white-supremest republican instead of a black immigrant muslim democrat.

    jim (defd88)

  11. …. the killer described himself (purportedly) on a blog as a “conservative Republican.”

    That was a lie, Mark. That’s the reason it “went away”. The truth is the exact opposite.

    However, yes, mental illness does affect all people regardless of their politics or party affiliation.

    That’s a common mistake made by many, many conservatives who are trying to be understanding and make leftists feel as if they aren’t insane. The act of being and believing in leftist nonsense is in itself a pathology. Leftists believe in abortion and yet believe themselves to be compassionate, humanists full of love and empathy. Go figure that delusion. Leftists are basically all insane to one degree or another. Why else would blacks be in the party of slavery and racism? Why would Jews vote for people who hate Israel? How else could leftists demand “no gun zones” then demand people with guns come to save them when it al goes bad? Social cognitive dissonance. But I jut call’em crazy.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  12. BTW, Mark. How any “Conservative Republicans” do you know who specifically pick out Christians to kill. That was the dead giveaway (pun meant).

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  13. Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ . . .

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  14. How any “Conservative Republicans” do you know who specifically pick out Christians to kill.

    Yea, Hoagie, there is something not quite right about that, as though the report of what he wrote about himself was totally inaccurate or, just as possible, the killer was trying to portray himself as the type he actually dislikes in private and wanted to masquerade as a rightist doing terrible things to those who are a bit more likely to be of the right too (ie, Christians). Again, something seems off about the whole scenario.

    Of course, this is all supposition made far worse because of the despicable nature of major figureheads in the US today — who I can easily see devising “false flag” projects to strengthen their hold on this society — starting with the guy in the Oval Office.

    Mark (f713e4)

  15. Ah, the words of teh won; the hate that keeps on hatin’

    felipe (56556d)

  16. well there is certainly signs of ‘legends’ being crafted, but christians can never be victims, except if there is an instance like charleston, ‘mr. fusion’ should try harder,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  17. Christians should learn who to vote for.
    And how to profile potential killers, so they can shoot them first.

    mg (31009b)

  18. Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ . . .

    Aside from the fact that you need to go back centuries for these examples and those cited in America of slavery and Jim Crow though more recent were not done “in the name of Christ”. I’d like to point out the Crusades were the Christian response to an invasion of and slaughter by moslems! The Crusades was Christians defending themselves from barbarians (the same barbarians doing the same thing today) had they not done that you my dear AZ Bob would be an Arabic speaking moslem or be known as Headless AZ Bob. The Inquisition was a Dark Age manifestation of a Roman Catholic Church out of control, and even though it’s hard to know they estimate 32,000 people were burnt in the Spanish Inquisition. About 2 months slaughter by the moslems in the Middle East today. But again, that was centuries ago not last week in Baghdad.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  19. I believe the country got the schmuck as PotUS that the country deserved.

    seeRpea (ce512c)

  20. You know AZ Bob, worrying or complaining about sh!t that happened centuries back is what the democrats use to keep blacks on their plantation. Blacks have been trained to be so pissed off about slavery under which none of them ever lived and so convinced they’re still victims to residual slavery they can’t clear their collective heads long enough to slap the democrat out and face the future as free people working to go forward and get ahead.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  21. Obama is the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. The fact that we had a majority of voters vote for him after living through the unmitigated disaster of his first term does not speak well of the nation.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. yes yes he’s a smelly turd

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. yes very insightful pikachu, well he did say in his memoir ‘he would stand with the muslims, when they are under threat’ some promises he keeps,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  24. President Obama also remained silent about the terrorists in Garland, TX being Muslims, as well as silent about the religion of Nidal Hassan after that little “workplce violence” incident at Fort Hood. Clearly not all religions are equal. One will always be projected as victims of hate (even if they are the haters), while the other will always be ignored or blamed. In this case, the Christian aspect must be ignored, lest any sympathy be evoked. Or worse, any realization pointing to the uptick in the attacks on Christianity.

    Dana (86e864)

  25. i don’t trust him

    happyfeet (831175)

  26. I have been breaking in a new Model 1911 at the range, applied for my concealed carry last month, bought a holster recently, and am breaking it in.

    We are discussing what pistol suits my wife best next. Then we will apply for her permit, and then have the same discussion with each of my kids.

    Obama is intent on importing 100,000 “Syrian Refugees” who frankly look like they came straight from an ISIS boot camp.

    If I go down, it will be with an empty sidearm in my hand and not my knees begging for mercy.

    Molon labe.

    WarEagle82 (44dbd0)

  27. Hoagie, the italics were a giveaway. AZ Bob was quoting Baraka Hussein Obama.

    John Hitchcock (180a6b)

  28. A correction on the Inquisition. It ran from the late 15th century to the early 17th century, with its most active period being the century from about 1490 to 1590. According to Wikipedia, that bastion of Christian apologetics, “although records are incomplete, estimates of the number of persons charged with crimes by the Inquisition range up to 150,000, with 2,000 to 5,000 people executed.” Let’s go with the higher number. 5,000 people killed over a period of 100 years comes to about 50 a year. Heck, Texas executes more criminals than that. This is hardly the genocidal religious oppression run amuck that it is presented as. No doubt it was pretty bad to be brought up on charges by the inquisition and it sucked to be one of the ones put to death, but it has been blown all out of proportion.

    David

    David, infamous sockpuppet (12a5ec)

  29. Present-Snit Obola is a lying POS.

    and that’s on a good day…

    redc1c4 (e52d59)

  30. Thanks Mr. Hitchcock. Sometimes I’m not swift on the uptake although I figured it as a quote but after going up and down and skimming the posts here I just didn’t know who’s quote it was. Should’a figured it’d be Rspect’s.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  31. CNN made the shooter into a white man

    not only the lighter skin, but changed his nose & lips as well.

    no media bias there at all…

    redc1c4 (e52d59)

  32. consider what happened in chattanooga, as in paramatta, (sydney) they are still at a loss to understand why he did it,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  33. Further info on the Inquisition, By today’s standards, the Inquisition was horrific, yet in its day, it was fairer and more merciful than the secular courts, accused people preferred going before the Church. So how did the Inquisition get such an overblown and exaggerated reputation? Well, the Catholic church, mainly in southern Europe, still used monks in cloisters to write there tracts, meanwhile in Germany, the center of the anti Catholic movement, used the new printing press. They got their version out faster and in greater volume. Martin Luther was a very prolific writer, for one. Just as today, who has the printing press, or control of the media, writes the History.

    Jim (67f73a)

  34. Holy crap, redc1c4 they really did make him white! They even removed his dark blemishes. They should have just made his brown eyes blue and renamed him Simon Templar. After all, he’s apparently a saint.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  35. The MFM is becoming surprisingly incurious about this shooter. Which tells a lot about his views and motivations. Now they want to talk about doing something eleventy by the way of common sense gun control. Lol

    JD (4205fd)

  36. obama killed almost twice as many peoples in the hospital in afghanistan as picklehead did in oregon

    not that anyone’s keeping score

    happyfeet (831175)

  37. except for maybe me

    happyfeet (831175)

  38. perhaps these doctors should think about maybe getting some borders

    happyfeet (831175)

  39. CNN made the shooter into a white man

    What the hell is going on?!

    That’s not just a simple adjustment of his skin color but also the shape of his nose and the thickness of his lips. IOW, that appears to be an active case of photoshopping way beyond just a supposedly innocent modification presumably done by CNN’s staffers to ensure a photo projects better on a TV screen.

    Something stinks in Denmark.

    Mark (f713e4)

  40. they provided the Taliban sanctuary, anyone with an ounce of sense, that removes a whole strata of people, I admit, knows this,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  41. WarEagle82 (44dbd0) — 10/4/2015 @ 3:12 pm

    Those young and able-bodied refugees are not here to plan and execute acts of terror as their primary aim. No, they are breeders for the primary purpose of increasing the number of Moslems until they become a majority who will vote in their representatives in time. the secondary aim also, might not be acts of terror but to lay down the infrastructure, finances, educational facilities to cater to their demographic.

    felipe (56556d)

  42. an active case of photoshopping

    happyfeet (831175)


  43. Something stinks in Denmark.

    Mark (f713e4) — 10/4/2015 @ 5:20 pm

    It’s the Port Salut cheese, Mark.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. I won’t be a slave
    from the cradle to the grave
    wake up, liberals

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. I predicted the MSM would make this animal “white” days ago. It’s not that I am prescient or anything. It was the obvious move.

    WarEagle82 (44dbd0)

  46. well it’s beside the point, the charleston shooter was white, but primarily he was a meth addict,
    they focused on the former, to the exclusion of the latter,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  47. narciso (ee1f88) — 10/4/2015 @ 5:30 pm
    It is very relevant to note that Medicins sans Frontrieres (they seem to prefer the French version of their name) was very content to shill for Hamas in Gaza. I mean, look at how Hamas makes use of hospitals.

    kishnevi (28fa9f)

  48. Don’t forget how Obama reacted when that evil backwards middle school “targeted” that little genius muslim “inventor” who brought a “clock” into the classroom to “impress” his teachers.

    Average Joe (15cd59)

  49. Those young and able-bodied refugees are not here to plan and execute acts of terror as their primary aim.

    You are absolutely correct, felipe. The act is called Hijram and it’s an important part of islam. They infiltrate the “host” culture and society with the intent of corrupting them, their laws and their politics. They start ghettos, demand special treatment of their own culture, live separate and refuse to assimilate or even speak the host language. Ultimately they cause chaos within the host nation/culture and coordinate internal upheaval with external attack. Moslems practicing islam are here for one reason: to kill us. Moslems not practicing islam are not moslems.

    Who else but a barbaric savage would think of turning a simple cooking vessel into a deadly bomb?

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  50. It’s what Obama is…

    a world seen through the eyes of someone whose father was a Muslim, as was his step-father, whose early education was in a Muslim madrassa, followed by mentoring from the known communist Frank Marshall Davis, associations with Columbia University’s Palestinian activist Edward Said and later, Harvard’s leftist Brazilian socialist Roberto Unger, later close association with admitted communist and Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers, then followed by 20 years of anti-American and anti- Semitic sermons by Reverend Jeremiah Wright who, placing much of the world’s ills at America’s doorstep, culminated a post 9-11 sermon sententiously intoning, “…America’s chickens have come home to roost.”

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/the_most_dangerous_man_in_the_world.html#ixzz3nPpkImQJ
    Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  51. Is there anywhere a link to a CNN post, or a saved cache,that actually shows the picture attributed to CNN??

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  52. Yes, MD. The link provided at comment #32 by redc1c4 shows the comparison from CNN.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  53. CNN denies it. Gatewaypundit cites “online source” and “Conservative Treehouse”. Has anybody heard of Conservative Treehouse?

    nk (dbc370)

  54. There is no link to a CNN site, MD.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. CNN denies that it showed or posted any image of the shooter.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  56. Not that this excuses the utter lack of defense of Christians. It’s almost as if their reaction to Christians being shot is “Good!”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  57. Hoagie, I want to see the CNN page or a saved cache of the CNN page that actually showed it before I make reference of the info.

    It is quite dam*ing evidence if it can be verified.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  58. Obama is not Christian. He is the current leader of the pro-choice (i.e. selective or variable principles) cult, that practices a progressive form of Islam’s taqiya.

    n.n (e89bd9)

  59. well you can mention the screencaps from the college website, that suggest he wasn’t as antisocial, as they portrayed,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  60. thanks, nk and Kevin M.

    Still, the disparity in reporting on this vs. other incidents like in SC is noteworthy whether there was a doctored photo or not.
    equal treatment would require something akin to the outrage over the confederate battle flag,
    like maybe a request from POTUS and others to turn down the rhetoric about christian bigots and haters

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  61. it is, and CNN went along with the ‘hands up’ and other narratives, way past the point it was debunked, there was some shading to varying degrees by various sites,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  62. His race is obvious. His sexual orientation is referred to obliquely by relating his admiration for Vester Flanagan. Two Obama-loyal demographics.

    nk (dbc370)

  63. well we need not go there, but he shared beliefs like Dorner, and the Washington yard shooter,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  64. For the record, I am all for denying guns to Christian-hating black homosexuals.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. history is just a series of agreed up narratives,

    http://weaponsman.com/?p=25922

    narciso (ee1f88)

  66. I call BS on the CNN story. When I first heard it I scoured CNN’s site and could not find it. nk is right, whoever heard of that other site. I like Jim Hoft, but he can be wound a little too tight sometime.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  67. Here you go, nk. Beware they like Trump.
    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/

    mg (31009b)

  68. The media must be destroyed before the politicians can be destroyed.
    Cut the chord and Cruz to victory.

    mg (31009b)

  69. I’m am totally convinced Prezzy PizzDouche’s behavior is comprehensively ‘splained by a raging case of anal HPV warts.

    DNF (51a50d)

  70. You can call BS on anything you like, Gazzer but when we live with a media that lightened and darkened OJ Simpson to fit the narrative, turned Zimmerman from white to white/Hispanic to fit the narrative, made Trayvon Martin ten tears younger and ten times “cuter” to fit the narrative and we can go on and on I don’t put anything past them. You can trust CNN all you want, I don’t. They’ve proved themselves untrustworthy.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  71. I haven’t seen this connection made yet, but Harper-Mercer was using a Cascadia flag for his avatar (blue white green with a Douglas fir).

    That is the flag of a Pacific Northwest secession movement; it is not clear how serious the movement is, but it’s kind of a hippie-anarchist thing and you frequently find the flag on local beer, bumper stickers, and the occasional telephone pole.

    You can’t say “secession” without the MSM assuming it has something to do with white supremacism, but the Cascadia movement is about as far from that as can be. I think this connection will make some heads explode.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  72. Rev. Imam BH Hoagie-
    I don’t think anyone is defending CNN,
    only suggesting that the claim is not verifiable,
    and if not verifiable,
    not a good candidate for Homer to say,
    “See, Marge, I told you Michael Crichton and Murray Gell-Mann were right!”

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  73. When Obama took to the microphone last week, he knew that the killer had asked his victims what their religion was before killing those who answered Christian. What he did not know at the time was whether the killer was Muslim. That’s why he described the victims of the kosher market attack in Paris as “folks” and the Christians beheaded in Libya as “citizens of Egypt”. That’s why he wants to bring 200,000 “Syrian refugees” here while ignoring the Christian Syrians and Iraqis.

    Gary Fouse (6c53e2)

  74. Obama does not act like a Christian. ISIS affiliates behead Copts on a Lybian beach he
    studiously avoids calling them Copts.

    Steve57 (79555d)

  75. Hoagie, I don’t trust CNN either but the truth remains that I could not find the photo even though I believe they are quite capable of such things.

    Gazzer (7baf28)


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