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3/10/2015

Hillary: I’ve Released All the Emails That I Can Let You See [Updated]

Filed under: General — JVW @ 4:07 pm



[guest post by JVW]

The once and future front-runner for the Presidency, Hillary! Rodham Clinton, took to the podium today to unveil her defense for using a personal account to conduct her duties at Secretary State. Naturally, because this is the highly-secretive Clinton Crime Family we are talking about, her press conference was tacked on to an event at the United Nations headquarters where Hillary! spoke earlier to commemorate International Women’s Day. Holding it at the U.N was a stroke of genius, as Anne Gearan and Phillip Rucker explain in the Washington Post:

Rather than staging the news conference at an easily accessible venue, such as a Manhattan hotel, Clinton scheduled it inside the high-security U.N. headquarters building.

Securing credentials for the United Nations is a laborious process that typically takes days at best, leaving members of the media scrambling to gain access Tuesday morning. The line for credentials wrapped the block outside the cramped U.N. office where all badges are issued. A lone staffer, beleaguered but polite, was handling all press requests. Badges in hand, reporters then waited in a long line to pass through security.

Brilliant move: make sure that the domestic reporters who are the most likely to have pointed questions for you are required to jump through hoops to gain entrance to the venue, leaving a large cadre of international reporters who probably aren’t paying much attention to this story to serve as your stenographers. They don’t miss a trick over in Clintonland.

As to the content of her remarks, Hillary! acknowledged that “it would have been better for me to use two separate phones and two e-mail accounts [i.e., an official .gov account as well as her personal account],” but insisted that she combined them because, “using one device would be simpler.”

Now, I’ll be the first one to acknowledge that I don’t know the exact government regulations in place here, but I can attest to the fact that it is possible to have both professional and personal email accounts on a mobile device. Does the government have a rule that says a .gov email account can only be accessed from a government-issued mobile device? And then are there rules that say that no other email account can be installed on that device, even if you are a bigwig like the Secretary of State? In what world would you not be allowed to have a personal email account on a government-issued device, but it would be totally permissible to have your own homebrew server to send and receive classified documents? (Answer: the world of the federal government.)

And finally, let’s look at what Madame Rodham’s defense is for the accusations that her actions impede government transparency. Again, quoting Gearan and Rucker:

Clinton turned over a trove of 55,000 pages of e-mails last year at the State Department’s request. The trove did not include every e-mail sent from Clinton’s private account. An aide said some were deemed personal. Most of the 55,000 pages are communications between Clinton and other State Department officials, the aide said last week.

So there you have it: Hillary!’s aides got to pick and choose which emails were released to the State Department and which ones are deemed “personal.” I would imagine that the search went something like this:

Aide: “OK, this one is dealing with the King of Nepal’s request for an extra invitation for his second cousin at the upcoming state dinner.”
HRC: “Release it.”

Aide: “This one is dealing with the floral arrangements for Chelsea’s wedding, and the offer of the Saudi Prince to invest $5 million in your son-in-law’s hedge fund as a wedding gift.”
HRC: “Trash it.”

Aide: “This one is an analysis of the expected grain yields in China for 2012 through 2017.”
HRC: “Release it.”

Aide: “This one is where you suggest to POTUS that the Benghazi attack be blamed on that obscure filmmaker.”
HRC: “Trash it! Burn it! Delete it! Destroy the hard drive!”

Yeah, we can trust the Clinton’s to play this honestly, can’t we?

Update: The Washington Post (hey, they’re doing a pretty good job on this story!) has a new post in which they discuss the why-not-two-accounts-on-one-device angle.

– JVW

115 Responses to “Hillary: I’ve Released All the Emails That I Can Let You See [Updated]”

  1. Ah, JD posted an open thread. Feel free to discuss at either location.

    JVW (854318)

  2. Psaki says it will take months to provide Hillary’s e-mails because the classified information has to be redacted.

    Hillary says, there is no classified material in her e-mails.

    Problem solved !

    Not really.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  3. The lovely Mrs Clinton said that she is going to keep the server private. Sorry, but even if the State Department doesn’t ask for it, thee will be plenty of Freedom of Information Act lawsuits trying to force this. All that she is doing is letting the problem fester.

    If Mrs Clinton were an actually honest person, she would have turned over the server to the State Department, right away, to stop those lawsuits, and to demonstrate that she has nothing to hide. Her problem is that she didn’t do the right thing initially, and cannot do the right thing now, because she is a fundamentally dishonest person.

    The realistic Dana (1b79fa)

  4. Her problem is that she didn’t do the right thing initially, and cannot do the right thing now, because she is a fundamentally dishonest person.

    Who was it that said “the Clintons always do the right thing — when every other option has already been exhausted”? I’m going to Google right now to check.

    Ah. It seems to originate with an Israeli politician who was talking about Americans in general. I guess it was later adapted to the Clintons, who certainly embody that notion.

    JVW (854318)

  5. the underlying problem she has is that the server itself is likely incontrovertible evidence she has violated security regs

    in a just society, she’d be under indictment by summer, on trial by fall, and in prison before the 2016 primaries start.

    unfortunately, we don’t live in one of those any more.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  6. I will be verrry interested in how FOIA laws play into all this. As I mentioned on another thread, I suspect evading FOIA was one of the key elements in installing and hosting a clinton family enterprise server. They’re going to fight tooth and nail.

    elissa (f32ba2)

  7. 3. …If Mrs Clinton were an actually honest person, she would have turned over the server to the State Department, right away, to stop those lawsuits, and to demonstrate that she has nothing to hide.

    The realistic Dana (1b79fa) — 3/10/2015 @ 4:22 pm

    If Hillary! was an actually honest person, she wouldn’t have an email server in her house.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  8. If Hillary! was an actually honest person, she wouldn’t have an email server in her house.

    no, she would have had one supplied by the government, equipped with the proper electronic security equipment & software, and placed under appropriate physical security conditions.

    she’s an arrogant idiot who, until she was hacked, apparently believed that she was above the law, just like Obola. of course, the MFM has given her every reason to believe so, since they have covered for her & her equally execrable hubby for decades.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  9. The fact that Hillary! can’t handle two email accounts shows me she can’t handle the United States of America. If you can’t handle the small things, how on earth are you going to handle the big things that really matter?

    Hillary can’t prove there were no breaches. However, if the server were subpoenaed, someone could prove there were. She cannot afford to let that server be examined.

    Massive incompetency at the very, very least.

    Dana (86e864)

  10. No way the American Flag should be present anywhere this traitorous winch inhales oxygen.

    mg (31009b)

  11. Man! Leading up to today’s presser and last Sunday’s talk show defenders, how I’d love to have been a fly on the wall as the Clintons and staff argued strategy and discussed “excuses” and feasible “reasons’ for all this. I’ll bet it was a hoot and that there was shouting maybe.

    elissa (f32ba2)

  12. Hillary’s making her “I should have had two phones” defense, but…

    She stated at a Silicon Valley conference just a couple of weeks ago that she had more than one phone (along with other devices, such as tablets). ABC News is reporting that she’s claiming she acquired the extra devices after she left the State Department. Color me skeptical…

    junior (79e744)

  13. wench

    mg (31009b)

  14. And your little dog too! hee hee hee hee.

    *cloud of purple smoke*

    whoosh!

    jakee308 (49ccc6)

  15. On a related note, a spokesman for Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has had his staff review the status of all Yazidi sex slaves, and determined that they have released all the Yazidi girls eligible to be released.

    “You’re just going to have to take my word,” al Baghdadi said during a press conference at his headquarters in Raqaa, “if any family complains that their daughter hasn’t been released they’re just a parroting a right wing talking point. Every woman who wants to be released has been released, but some women have voluntarily converted to Islam and willingly joined the fighters of the Islamic state.”

    When one correspondent from A.N.S.W.E.R. asked if there was any independent third party corroboration that there were, in fact, no unwilling sex slaves remaining in ISIS custody, al Baghdadi’s public relations staff distributed an affidavit from Sheikh Yusif al-Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, noted Islamic law scholar, and al Baghdadis personal legal adviser certifying that was in fact the case. Then took the correspondent hostage.

    Abu Bakr al Baghdadi then wrapped up the press conference after the remaining ashen-faced reporters assured him that they had no further questions. “I will have no further comment on this episode,” and stated his determination that the contents of his private rape dungeons will remain private.

    “No one wants their personal rape dungeons made public, and I think most people understand that and respect privacy,” he said.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  16. Anyone who has ever used email knows she does not need two different devices to have two different email accounts.

    She can’t be counting on people being that stupid, she must be counting on people not caring enough, but she has to say something.

    Rushbo pointed out, that unless she has more people on her pay, whoever set up her system could have had all the info backed up on his/her own site for blackmail purposes.
    That would make a good novel,

    and truth is stranger than fiction.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  17. Yeah, we can trust the Clinton’s to play this honestly, can’t we?

    Of COURSE you can. She’s a Democrat.
    Didn’t you EVER watch The West Wing?

    I mean, Seriously!?!?!

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  18. The basic rule is that you can use a private device to access .gov email but cannot use a .gov device too access private email. There are some restrictions on what devices are supported and how you do it, but it is not hard to do if you just want one device. Not sure of rules for encryption on phones that might require a . gov device, I am sure classified would, not sure it is even allowed on phones.

    Fredlike (d63200)

  19. Update: The Washington Post (hey, they’re doing a pretty good job on this story!) has a new post in which they discuss the why-not-two-accounts-on-one-device angle.

    JVW (854318)

  20. re #18: what were the rules *then* , when she was SecState ?
    official WH policy was that private email setups were a non-starter, but it was not a law.
    I am pretty sure it was a law that all communications had to be saved in a manner that could facilitate FOI and the such requests. Thus far all indications are that that has not been followed.

    We also need to know about underlings and the use of her private email system by people for their own private use. Also need clarification on what the laws at the time were in regard to non SecState and non-gov’t employees access to the private email system were as well.

    Anyone done a “compare and contrast Palin and the Clintons email” yet?

    seeRpea (181740)

  21. regardless of the “public” vs. “private” e-mail server question (#20), the real issue is compromising classified information (even FOUO) by transmitting, or storing it, via Unsecured servers, addresses, netw*rks, etc…

    even if there was no ACTUAL compromise, the very act of sending it to, or through, such a connection is a violation of federal law… for each and every message so sent.

    even if we tak the lying skank’s word that there were only 5000 or so messages that so quality, that’s 15,000 years in prison, which would make it hard to run for office.

    redc1c4 (269d8e)

  22. I am pretty sure it was a law that all communications had to be saved in a manner that could facilitate FOI and the such requests.

    Mark Steyn has a throw-away tidbit in his piece claiming that Hillary!’s team delivered all 55,000 emails to the State Department in paper form. Is that true? That is absolutely contemptible if so.

    JVW (854318)

  23. My android is still a mystery to me in a lot of ways. But even I can press the hard button at the bottom left corner of the phone, then select “settings” from the pop-up menu. Then I can select “accounts” from the top tool bar.

    Note the plural.

    And right underneath the one email account I’ve set my phone up to access there’s a big green button and the words “Add account.”

    So Hillary! wants us to believe that all this was beyond her. And when she contracted to have somebody build her own private email system because she could only use one email account because she only wanted to carry one mobile device, nobody on her staff and none of the IT professionals who worked on the project ever bothered to explain that she didn’t have to carry more than one phone if that’s all she wanted to do.

    She’s the freakin’ gift that keeps on giving. She just can’t shut up.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  24. JVW,

    I heard that, too. But I think it was 55,000 pages, not 55,000 emails. So, given the length of an email with all the headers , etc., then who knows what the actual number of emails were.

    Dana (86e864)

  25. My experience with the brain-dead Windows IT company that serviced a recent employer:

    In order to have my personal phone pick up corporate emails off the Exchange server, I had to allow the company significant access to my phone, including the power to wipe the phone should I quit or be fired.

    In order to have my personal PC pick up emails for the exchange server, I had to log in through a VPN and the system then treated my computer as if it was a company PC, archiving everything in the user account.

    I chose instead to not access the company emails with my phone and to access my company mail through webmail. While some things are technically possible, they CAN be made technically impossible by servants of Heck like an IT department.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  26. re #23: Steve57, Steve57, Steve57 – wrong year. When she started as SecState it was a huge deal to get 2 accounts going. I don’t think the iPhone supported it at the time. Though the BlackBerry probably did. hmm, what device was she using when she started? If it was a BlackBerry, well the PotUS had one and they came up with solutions for him. They could have done same for her , I would think.

    seeRpea (181740)

  27. Have the 55,000 pages of “emails” released been verified? I haven’t read that they have.

    Dana (86e864)

  28. Dana, you’re right about it being pages, and NPR is reporting the 55,000 printed pages report so it’s not exactly a figment of the right-wing imagination.

    Do you suppose Hillary!’s folks paid for the ink cartridges, printer wear-and-tear, and reams of paper for those printed pages, or did she stick the taxpayer with the bill? Need I even ask?

    JVW (854318)

  29. look no further for reasons why… http://t.co/SmCPn2o691

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  30. I suspect the 55k emails were printed each on its own sheet of paper.

    Lawyer trick to slow discovery.

    More than one account easily is a within the last two years trick. Secure email is a next year trick, has been for decades.

    Call the FBI, have one of their computer techs make me a copy of my hard drives — no, two copies — and he can take the originals away. Oh, there’s something there I don’t want you to see? Here, look at this distraction for a minute. You want more? Sorry. There isn’t any hard drive. None. Oh, all right, here’s a hard drive. I copied the things you need onto it.

    htom (4ca1fa)

  31. JVW,

    This from James Taranto:

    If you were following the revelations about Hillary Clinton’s private State Department IT operation last week, you probably heard that, as the initial New York Times story put it, “55,000 pages of emails were given to the department” in December after being selected by a private aide to the former secretary. You might have wondered: What does that mean, 55,000 “pages”? Or maybe you just read it, as the crack fact-check team over at PolitiFact did just last night, as 55,000 emails.

    It turns out the reference is to literal physical pages. From Friday’s Times: “Finally, in December, dozens of boxes filled with 50,000 pages of printed emails from Mrs. Clinton’s personal account were delivered to the State Department.”

    Why did Mrs. Clinton have her staff go through the trouble of printing out, boxing and shipping 50,000 or 55,000 pages instead of just sending a copy of the electronic record? One can only speculate, but there is an obvious advantage: Printed files are less informative and far harder to search than the electronic originals.

    Dana (86e864)

  32. The printing is an extra, un-necessary step, purely as a delaying tactic and a gesture of defiance. The entire mailstore, please, in it’s native db format.

    mojo (a3d457)

  33. “Looking back, it would have been better for me to use two separate phones and two e-mail accounts,” Clinton said. “I thought using one device would be simpler, and obviously, it hasn’t worked out that way.”

    This feigning naivete is interesting. Does she want us to believe that the highly-paid tech people who built the server that wipes everything clean and on her staff would not have been able to teach her the very basics of hand-held devices? And exactly what is their culpability? If her staff received business email from her personal account, aren’t the in collusion as well? Finally, how do we know that none of the recipients of emails from her (if they were classified and about serious State Dept issues) won’t hold onto them for future “use”? The more I think about this, the more problematic it all becomes.

    Dana (86e864)

  34. Interesting:

    Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. has used three email aliases to conduct government business since he took office in 2009, a Department of Justice official confirmed to the Los Angeles Times.

    All three of Holder’s email addresses, including the one he uses now, are on the Justice Department’s system, agency spokesman Brian Fallon said in an email.

    “Meaning while his email address is not eric.holder@usdoj.gov, it is still preserved for recordkeeping, etc, because it is a DOJ account,” Fallon said.

    Holder has never used more than one official government address at a time, Fallon said.

    According to the report, high-ranking government officials using alias is common practice and do not “impact compliance” with Freedom of Information Act requests.

    Dana (86e864)

  35. The printing is an extra, un-necessary step, purely as a delaying tactic and a gesture of defiance. The entire mailstore, please, in it’s native db format.

    That’s right, and now they have to be re-scanned in a way where software can recognize the words so that terms such as “Benghazi” and “Putin” and “affordable homes” can be searched for. This ensures that the process gets dragged on. What do you want to bet that we don’t have a searchable database ready by November 2016?

    JVW (854318)

  36. re #35: can be done for less $100,000. not including labor. would not take all that long, couple of months perhaps. If you need faster you can spend more.

    if you want I can refer to you a local company that would be able to do it.

    or if big boys are needed due to such sensitive information, Xerox has a catalog full of solutions.

    seeRpea (b6bbec)

  37. 26. re #23: Steve57, Steve57, Steve57 – wrong year. When she started as SecState it was a huge deal to get 2 accounts going. I don’t think the iPhone supported it at the time. Though the BlackBerry probably did. hmm, what device was she using when she started? If it was a BlackBerry, well the PotUS had one and they came up with solutions for him. They could have done same for her , I would think.
    seeRpea (181740) — 3/10/2015 @ 6:30 pm

    Good news. I had a Blackberry in 2009. I don’t recall it being a big deal to set up two email accounts. Of course, I didn’t have to jump over any hurdles put in place by a corporate IT department. I’m talking accessing the email account that came with the server and, say, a hotmail account.

    I can’t imagine the hurdles the DoS IT people would have placed in anyone’s way if they wanted to access their official email account using a private device. And with good reason! It wouldn’t have been secure. But then they also had government devices Hillary! could have used. And as many have pointed out she wouldn’t have had to personally carry it.

    In fact, she could have simply told one of her many underlings to send emails on her behalf. None of them had official state.gov accounts? None of them complied with the rules long in place that they use the government devices that had long been available and required for people who had to conduct government business while on the road…

    http://www.state.gov/m/irm/

    (And within the State Department’s bureau of Information Resource Management we have:)

    http://www.state.gov/m/irm/dtspo/index.htm

    The Diplomatic Telecommunications Service Program Office (DTS-PO) supports all United States Government departments and agencies operating from Diplomatic and Consular facilities outside of the United States by providing secure, reliable, and robust communications capabilities.

    We offer connections to all U.S. Embassy and Consulate facilities around the world. We offer terrestrial, satellite and internet services, international direct-dialing and Voice over IP (VoIP).

    Congress created DTS-PO in 1992 to provide a way…

    …To provide a way to know Hillary! is full of s***.

    Instead of conveniencing herself by simply having her underlings send emails for her, if it was too much trouble for her personally to use a government mobile device to conduct government business, she said that for the sake of convenience she just used her personal account for public and private business. This might have been somewhat believable if she had simply continued using a preexisting email account. But no, she had her own system built.

    This is akin to arguing that maintaining the kind of records that would enable her to separate business from personal travel, so she could reimburse the government for her personal travel, was just too hard. So instead of using state department aircraft, she commissioned a team of engineers to build her a private jet to her unique specifications.

    Nobody does that.

    When Hillary! tries to offer a reasonable sounding explanation for her conduct, the problem she keeps running into is that the conduct she’s trying to explain away is completely unreasonable.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  38. The more days this Hillary business goes on, and the more nonsense tidbits that are released, and the more conflicting excuses that are proffered and spun, the less I find I am able to actually process the whole sorry mess. I think I understand the piece parts, but I really don’t see how she/they thought this would not be a problem and how they’d get away with it. I absolutely do not think we see the big picture yet. Is there a whole shadow government and communication system operating in the executive branch and agencies? My god. How many people may be involved? Scary.

    elissa (6f1d71)

  39. The more days this Hillary business goes on, and the more nonsense tidbits that are released, and the more conflicting excuses that are proffered and spun, the less I find I am able to actually process the whole sorry mess.

    And that, elissa, is what Hillary! is hoping her low-information voters think too. Of course, I know you mean to say that you don’t know how to process the sheer brazenness of the Clinton folks thinking she can get away with this, but to the low-information voter the more info that comes out the more susceptible they are to falling for the Clinton spin of the day. All Clinton scandals follow the same arc:

    1. Whoops, really incriminating evidence has been released.
    2. It’s a non-story, and we aren’t going to dignify it with a response.
    3. Well, since everyone insists that we address it, I want you to know that we did not do anything illegal.
    4. OK, it might technically be illegal, but the laws are poorly written and others have done just as bad if not worse things.
    5. Look, we’ve addressed this issue already and everyone has hashed it out so there’s nothing left to do but move on.

    Rinse, recycle, repeat.

    JVW (854318)

  40. It took a rumanian hacker with basic wifi to crack her emails, how hard would it be for a orm or other outfits.

    narciso (b4162e)

  41. Russian counterpart to nsa.

    narciso (b4162e)

  42. * …..I’m talking accessing the email account that came with the server service and, say, a hotmail account…

    I’ve got servers on the brain, apparently.

    And since somebody brought it up, given the state of the law when Hillary! became SecState in 2009, she definitely broke several of them.

    …Here is the Federal Records Act, passed in 1950…

    …So the question would seem to be: Are emails records? The answer is obvious — and was so long before Hillary Clinton took over at Foggy Bottom. Here is the State Department’s own treatment of the question from 1995:

    All employees must be aware that some of the variety of the messages being exchanged on E-mail are important to the Department and must be preserved; such messages are considered Federal records under the law. (5 FAM [Foreign Affairs Manual] 443.1)

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/414777/yes-hillary-clinton-broke-law-ian-tuttle

    So it Hillary! didn’t just violate some inconsequential “policy.” According to the DoS’s own legal experts, her emails were federal records under the law.

    There’s more here:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414835/did-hillary-commit-felony-shannen-coffin

    and here:

    http://www.aim.org/guest-column/did-hillary-clinton-violate-the-federal-embezzlement-law/

    This doesn’t even address how she violated the emoluments clause of the Constitution which, needless to say, predates her tenure as the Secretary of Conflict of Interest in the Obama organized crime family.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  43. H.C. has good lawyers, they will find wiggle room.
    for instance: the law says “some” , she did “some”

    much more importantly, the law reads “E-mail”; H.C. and her department did not use “E-mail” they used “email”

    [i wish that last line was a joke, but this is a family where “is” gets parsed]

    seeRpea (b6bbec)

  44. You’re right. JVW. I just wonder how much bigger and weirder and more all encompassing than Hillary this actually is. How many more private servers in public ervants’ homes?

    I just finished a recent John Sandford novel, Deadline, in which one of the plot lines was an entire corrupt and criminally active schoolboard, security chief and top administrator. Of course with that many individuals and personalities they weren’t able to hold the secret embezzlement crime spree together after a while, and Sandford being Sandford there were a few murders along the way. Causes one to think. This week’s fun with Hillary! makes me want to know more about hers, the IRSs and Lisa Jackson’s emails/E-mails. Not less.

    elissa (6f1d71)

  45. 43. H.C. has good lawyers, they will find wiggle room.
    for instance: the law says “some” , she did “some”

    seeRpea (b6bbec) — 3/10/2015 @ 8:27 pm

    Yes, but that’s where she runs afoul of the federal embezzlement law. If she admitted those 55k pages of documents are federal records, then the feds own those records, not her.

    But she won’t turn over what she just publicly admitted are federal records, and therefore federal property. She printed off paper copies, but the feds own everything including the metadata that goes with the electronic record. That, she says, is her private property.

    And converting a federal record to private use breaks the law.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  46. Here you go, elissa:

    https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/575412649669881856

    EXCLUSIVE: Pentagon official tells @NBC4ITeam former Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel used GMAIL account for some government correspondences

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  47. EXCLUSIVE: Pentagon official tells @NBC4ITeam former Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel used GMAIL account for some government correspondences

    God, and he’s so stupid that his password is probably his wife’s first name and their anniversary date.

    JVW (854318)

  48. No, it’s abcd1234.

    Just like he had them set the launch codes while he was SecDef. So he wouldn’t forget.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  49. Don’t worry, he used security questions.

    What’s my first name?

    What’s my last name?

    What’s my job title?

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  50. The conclusion to the Mark Steyn column that I linked to in a comment above:

    That’s why all this stuff is coming out now. If Hillary can get away with something so obviously and uniquely and intentionally wrong, and that compromises national security to boot, and for which she offers nothing but the most laughable explanations, then she will have set the rules for the next 18 months. If she can make the court eunuchs of the media and the Democrats’ own base complicit in this absurd and unconvincing lie, they’re hardly in a position to complain about all the others in the months ahead.

    JVW (854318)

  51. I am intrigued, as an IT guy, by the notion that Her Self-Appointed Highness ought to allow an outside party to inspect her server. On that machine the only thing holding any data is the hard drive. It is not hard to copy what you want to a new hard drive, ditch the old one and with that forever lose any trace of unwanted data. As a matter of fact, again as an IT guy, that is the only way to defeat determined forensic recovery of data.

    That said, and everybody in IT knows it, all Hillary needs to do is delay a few days, spend a few hundred bucks plus a confidentiality agreement and she is in-the-clear.

    neocon_1 (324e03)

  52. You know, the more you read the transcript of Hillary!’s presser, the more things leap out at you.

    First, the laws and regulations in effect when I was secretary of state allowed me to use my email for work. That is undisputed.

    Of course, Hillary!

    Everybody knows that you only have to hold damage control press conferences when the propriety of one’s actions are beyond dispute.

    Who here hasn’t felt compelled to defend themselves against allegations that no one has ever made?

    Why, I held a press conference the other day to give my side of the story when a cop saw me make a u-turn at an intersection, and didn’t give me a ticket because the sign said I could make a u-turn.

    “The laws and regulations in effect allowed me to make that u-turn. That is undisputed,” I said to no one, since no one showed up because no one disputed the fact my u-turn was completely legal.

    So I completely sympathize with Hillary! who now must also hold press conferences to defend herself against allegations that her use of her personal email account was entirely legal.

    Steve57 (b8061a)

  53. Hilary! Bigger security risk than Edward Snowden.

    Bill Lever (f63e39)

  54. Hillary! Bigger security risk than Edward Snowden.

    Bill Lever (f63e39)

  55. Fatter too.

    AZ Bob (c8f5ae)

  56. The very fact a person as tarnished and unimpressive as Hillary Clinton, not to mention her scroungy husband, merit all this attention year after year — but attention that’s not even immediately negative and condemnatory — says a lot more about this society and its people than it does about the Clintons. Simply put, a public figure in the US with all of sniper-fire-Hillary’s excess baggage (or, for that matter, the excess baggage of Obama) wouldn’t have remained bright on the public stage decades ago, much less be treated with warm hugs by so many Americans.

    We’re witnessing the following phenomenon:

    theburningplatform.com, September 2014:

    Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: Bread and Circuses.” – Juvenal – Satire (100 A.D.)

    Roman satirist and poet Juvenal was displaying contempt for a degraded Roman citizenry that had shunned civic responsibility, shirked their duties of citizenship within a republic, and had chosen to sell their votes to feckless politicians for assurances of bread and circuses. Rather than govern according to noble principles based upon reason, striving for public policies that led to long term sustainability and benefiting the majority of citizens, politicians chose superficial displays and appeasing the masses utilizing the lowest common denominator of “free” food and bountiful spectacles, pageants, and ceremonies in order to retain power.

    The Roman Empire’s decline stretched across centuries as the gradual loss of civic virtue among its citizenry allowed demagogues to gain power and barbarians to eventually overrun the weakened empire. While the peasants were distracted with shallow exhibitions of palliative pleasures, those in power were debasing the currency, enriching themselves, and living pampered lives of luxury. The Roman leaders bought public approval and support, not through exemplary public service, but through diversion, distraction, and the satisfaction of base immediate needs and desires of the populace. Satisfying the crude motivations of the ignorant peasants (cheap food and entertainment) is how Roman politicians bought votes and retained power. Free wheat, circus games, and feeding Christians to lions kept the commoners from focusing on politicians pillaging and wasting the empire’s wealth.

    History may not repeat exactly because technology, resource discoveries, and political dynamics change the nature of society, but it does rhyme because the human foibles of greed, lust for power, arrogance, and desire for conquest do not vary across the ages. The corruption, arrogance, hubris, currency debasement, materialism, imperialism, and civic decay that led to the ultimate downfall of the Roman Empire is being repeated on an even far greater scale today as the American Empire flames out after only two centuries.

    Mark (c160ec)

  57. Hillary is losing in New York. (from four months ago)

    Hillary is losing in Illinois.

    Hillary is losing among white people.

    Hillary is losing among black people.

    Hillary has lost the “other” vote.

    She’s breaking even amongst the Asians. (Chicom affiation is propping her up)

    [Note: Fished from the comments moderation, probably because of all the links. – JVW]

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  58. According to the report, high-ranking government officials using alias is common practice and do not “impact compliance” with Freedom of Information Act requests.

    This I can believe and have no problem with. If your email address is predictable and you are a public figure, you WILL get a lot of drunk-dialing emails that will be quite a lot worse than spam.

    So, you establish the “official” John.Doe@whatever.gov and let those emails go to some underlings to filter, while you’re real email goes to jdoe22 or some such. And every so often the real address gets out and you have to change it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  59. #58: but if those alternative addresses do not go to and through secure netw*rks, you are violating security laws, and that’s a federal crime.

    using alternative addys to avoid FOIA requests is another federal crime.

    apparently, Shrillery did both.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  60. It’s a comment on the character of our Character in Chief that Hillary set up a home server. She just doesn’t trust that flake.

    It was probably in an agreement just prior to her being picked, a condition upon which he would join the flake’s administration.

    So neither the Secretary of State or the President found the other to be worthy of a position of public trust.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  61. We were told that she deleted e-mails about flowers for her daughter’s wedding to the son of another crook, and personal stuff like that. But there’s no harm done at all concerning an e-mail to a florist or LOLCats or anything else — unless it includes love notes to her girlfriend — and her reputation for dishonesty doesn’t give me any confidence that what was deleted was all innocuous.

    In the end, she’ll have to release everything: this is going to fester until she does.

    The more than skeptical Dana (f6a568)

  62. In the end, the lovely Mrs Clinton will wind up having to turn over the server to the government. If the State Department doesn’t insist, there will be plenty of Freedom of Information Act lawsuits which will eventually compel this. If she turns over the server now, the problem dies down; if she keeps stonewalling, it will stay in the news and continue to fester. There might be occasional lulls in which she thinks that the story has run its course, but then it will pop up again.

    The smartest woman in the world really isn’t very bright.

    The much more than skeptical Dana (f6a568)

  63. Her Secretaryness thought it would be too bothersome to have to carry two phones — something which says something about her physical condition, if she couldn’t stand the extra weight — but as Secretary she had plenty, plenty! of aides who could have carried the second phone for her.

    The Dana with far fewer minions (f6a568)

  64. 55… now that was just plain mean, AZBob!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  65. here’s a beautiful suitable-for-framing pic of Mr. Governor Jeb Bush award Hillary a very prestigious award

    Jeb and Hillary sittin in a tree

    happyfeet (831175)

  66. ok pretend that’s in english

    happyfeet (831175)

  67. The snarky part of me wonders: did Mrs Clinton have to withhold her “personal” emails because they referred to a President she doesn’t particularly like as a “stupid f(ornicating) n(egro)”? I could actually picture that as having happened.

    The Clintons publicly support President Obama, but they both have reputations for holding grudges.

    The curious Dana (f6a568)

  68. Robert Stacey Stacy McCain wrote:

    And here’s my thing: 30,000 “personal” emails in four years?

    Do the math: That’s 7,500 emails a year or (divide 7,500 by 365) 20.5 personal emails every day, 7 days a week.

    Gosh, Mrs. Clinton, you were the Secretary of State of the most powerful nation in the world, in charge of a federal department with 18,000 employees around the world, and you had time for 20 personal emails — “not in any way related to my work” — every single day? Madame Secretary, I don’t have time for that, and I’m just a damned blogger.

    Math are hard.

    The mathematician Dana (f6a568)

  69. Deleter of the Free World

    ROTFLMFAO!

    redc1c4 (589173)

  70. oh. my. goodness.

    I bet you’re right

    happyfeet (50f708)

  71. We know that “they” lie and ignore the Constitution in broad daylight,
    so who can guess what they do in the shadows.

    Just more evidence that as a whole, the public is no longer interested in the rule of law, making it possible for many elected officials and people in government bureaucracy no longer interested in the rule of law.

    Nothing short of a significant renewal of public morality is going to be of much help.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  72. Mr Feet: who, me?

    2008 still rankles cankles.

    The curious Dana (f6a568)

  73. yes yes I think you put your finger on the thing hillpickle is most desperate to hide

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  74. 69… that’s not a “mark”, red, that’s a “stain”…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  75. OK, there’s an election coming up and voters have to ask themselves this question: Who do you want answering that 3am email?

    ropelight (0c26dd)

  76. Ugh. Just … ugh.

    It seems axiomatic to me that Sen. Clinton and her staff should not be allowed to judge *for themselves* which emails are private and which are part of the public record; that should be determined by a disinterested third party – because otherwise there’s no way for *anyone* to be sure that she isn’t hiding something under the cloak of “it was just private, honest”.

    That rule should apply in a nonpartisan fashion.

    *sigh*

    aphrael (34edde)

  77. Steve57, while I agree that it’s easy to have two accounts on the same phone with modern android, (a) it’s not clear to me how easy this was in 2009, and (b) it’s almost certainly the case that you cannot or should not use the built in applications for high-level government email because they aren’t sufficiently secure.

    I’m speaking as a computer programmer here: security is expensive in terms of the time it takes to build it into an application, and most application developers don’t take the time to build in security at the level you’d need for the Secretary of State, because the overwhelming majority of their customers don’t need that level of security, so what’s the incentive to build it in?

    aphrael (34edde)

  78. Dana – there was a time I had more than 20 personal emails a day, because email was the primary way I stayed in touch with my friends and family. Now those conversations have all moved to various forms of chat.

    aphrael (34edde)

  79. Aphrael: and were you, at the time, the head of a major government bureaucracy, with 18,000 subordinates, and all sorts of meetings to attend along with major policy decisions to be debated and fleshed out? Mrs Clinton has claimed, in effect, 20+ personal emails a day, not including 55,000 pages (totaling an unknown number of individual emails) of official government emails.

    When, I have to wonder, did the Secretary of State have any time to do anything else?

    The Dana asking the obvious question (f6a568)

  80. Aphrael wrote:

    That rule should apply in a nonpartisan fashion.

    And thanks to Mrs Clinton, it will: in the next Administration, every single cabinet officer, as well as officials below cabinet rank, will be required to use only the government system for all official business, whether any particular individual likes it or not, because of the stuff that is happening to Mrs Clinton.

    In addition, there will be some system set up to capture personal emails, to have them, available if required for some legal purposes, though access to them will require special authorization. Officials will learn, quickly, that they can’t send any emails that they couldn’t stand for everybody to see.

    The Dana seeing the silver lining (f6a568)

  81. Dana, at 80, I think that’s a fine silver lining.

    I think there *should* be a category of emails which are not available for public perusal – talking to your spouse or friends about marital difficulties, consoling a friend on the loss of a loved one, planning surprise dinner parties for your aging parents, etc – but they should still be saved and an independent third party should review whether they are personal or not … and even then they should be available as part of an archive after a certain period of time (20 years? 50?).

    aphrael (34edde)

  82. Steve57, while I agree that it’s easy to have two accounts on the same phone with modern android, (a) it’s not clear to me how easy this was in 2009, and (b) it’s almost certainly the case that you cannot or should not use the built in applications for high-level government email because they aren’t sufficiently secure.

    I’m speaking as a computer programmer here: security is expensive in terms of the time it takes to build it into an application, and most application developers don’t take the time to build in security at the level you’d need for the Secretary of State, because the overwhelming majority of their customers don’t need that level of security, so what’s the incentive to build it in?

    aphrael (34edde) — 3/11/2015 @ 7:08 am

    Yes, I totally agree. In fact, I believe I said something to that effect @37. The point was that the “convenience” argument Hillary! is trying to hide behind is an incredibly stupid argument on a number of different levels. One of which is that for the sake of convenience she’d sacrifice national security. That’s what she wants people to know about her as she sets her self up to run for President in 2016. Among all the other things she thinks aren’t important because they’re just too damned inconvenient (The Federal Records Act, The Freedom of Information Act, embezzlement laws, the emoluments clause of the Constitution) she’s too important to safeguard national security information when the regs that safeguard that information are too inconvenient to comply with.

    And then the whole “convenience” argument is shattered as obviously false by the fact she built and maintained her own private email server in her home. That is not a “convenient” solution.

    Steve57 (d8b290)

  83. FWIW, I think there’s a large historical precedent for the custom that a sitting Senator can be appointed to a Cabinet post if the salary for the Cabinet post is adjusted to negate any increases made during the current term of the sitting Senator. So many Senators have been hired into the Cabinet using this procedure over the centuries that to call out Sen. Clinton *in particular* on it seems like it’s cherry-picking to complain about someone you don’t like for other reasons.

    That said, I’m not with Sen. Clinton on the email issue *in any way*. Particularly since, if you think about the implications of http://politicalwire.com/2015/03/10/how-did-hillary-send-bill-email-if-he-doesnt-use-it/, it’s pretty clear that *someone* in the Clinton camp is lying.

    aphrael (34edde)

  84. She said this morning that some of her deleted emails concerned yoga. Only Hillary! could ruin something as wonderful as yoga pants…

    Beasts of England (1ed71a)

  85. Maybe she meant Yoda? “There are always two [Sith. A Master and an Apprentice. Two persons, one mind.” Darth Bill and Darth Hillary?

    nk (dbc370)

  86. https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog

    David Burge @iowahawkblog · 16h 16 hours ago

    Hillary brought up her yoga story to cleverly cause everyone to turn off the TV. #rrrrretch

    Steve57 (d8b290)

  87. That’s 7,500 emails a year or (divide 7,500 by 365) 20.5 personal emails every day, 7 days a week.

    I think we’ve solved the question; “Where are all those Nigerian businessman scam emails coming from?”

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  88. I’m only surprised that the number of emails is so low, given the fund-raising/shakedowns.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. According to State Department reports, people who have responded to these emails have been beaten, subjected to threats and extortion, and in some cases, murdered.
    – from http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0002l-nigerian-email-scam

    See what I mean. Tell me that doesn’t sound like a Clinton op.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  90. re: 86… Steve… “Downward Facing Bald-faced Liar”?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. Coronello, I hear that her yoga instructor has her transition to that position after holding the upper “what difference, at this point, does it make,” position.

    Steve57 (d8b290)

  92. re #77: when the PotUS won election , gov’t IT people worked on getting his phone setup for secure gov’t use. He had a BlackBerry , so she has no excuse.

    re #80: the law on the books now are not the same as when H.C. started as SecState. No one would think it was ok to do a private email server system setup now.

    as far as the 2 devices goes, please please please spread this photo around

    seeRpea (b6bbec)

  93. It is too late for Hillary to turn over the server. Anyone who knows much of anything about how the hardware of computers works knows that by now, the hard drives with evidence can have been replaced with others that do not have the incriminating evidence, or the offending files removed to elsewhere and the original drive defragmented and compressed (several times, adding random files and deleting them to move files about during the compression stage.) You may suspect things were removed, but it would be very difficult to prove. Unless you’d hacked that server BEFORE her team tried to scrub it, in which case you’d have proof, although at the cost of having committed several felonies.

    htom (4ca1fa)

  94. Why don’t you have a seat over there.

    With those words, Chris Hansen prepared the former Secretary of State to be read a laundry list of her online indiscretions on Dateline NBC’s sting program To Catch a Candidate.

    Each would-be president, having chatted online with a decoy posing as an ambassador to Yemen or Bangladesh (the decoy was often an overweight, middle-aged man, which is extra awesome), showed up at a house looking for a hot night with a teenager, but was instead met with Hansen, a camera crew and cops.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  95. The move from Social Justice Warrior II into Dead Tree was exquisite!

    htom (4ca1fa)

  96. 92. …re #80: the law on the books now are not the same as when H.C. started as SecState. No one would think it was ok to do a private email server system setup now.

    seeRpea (b6bbec) — 3/11/2015 @ 8:56 am

    The state of the law in 2009 was such that setting up your own private email server for the purpose of conducting official USG business was not legal then.

    She clearly violated numerous laws by doing so, not just the Federal Records Act.

    Steve57 (d8b290)

  97. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/641

    18 U.S. Code § 641 – Public money, property or records

    Whoever embezzles, steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use or the use of another, or without authority, sells, conveys or disposes of any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof, or any property made or being made under contract for the United States or any department or agency thereof; or
    Whoever receives, conceals, or retains the same with intent to convert it to his use or gain, knowing it to have been embezzled, stolen, purloined or converted—
    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; but if the value of such property in the aggregate, combining amounts from all the counts for which the defendant is convicted in a single case, does not exceed the sum of $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    Hillary! set up a private email domain on a private server in her own home, then purloined at least 55,000 pages of records that she admitted (by recognizing she had to turn them over) are in fact government property by preventing them from being archived on the government storage system.

    Unlike what Hillary! attempted to claim in order to justify her conduct, this is truly beyond dispute.

    Steve57 (d8b290)

  98. well we don’t know that, remember the excuse about Lerner’s server blades, when they sent the blind guy to West Virginia,! they found them,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  99. re #96: nope, not correct on that Steve57. For instance, the server could have been setup to automagically send copies of all correspondence to a gov’t archival machine.
    While that was not done, we do not know what was done.
    HOWEVER :
    this was most definitely contrary to WH policy at the time. So , why is the WH providing cover for H.C. now? What does H.C. know that the WH doesn’t want leaked? Come on, he is not going to get impeached and for sure not get an impeachment conviction.

    btw: good to see that some pundits and reporters are questioning the “no confidential items in any emails story”.

    btw2: they didn’t get any spam? why no mention of deleting the spam?

    seeRpea (181740)

  100. How did she in any way comply with the embezzlement statute I cited, seaRpea?

    Steve57 (d68bce)

  101. Seriously, seeRpea, why don’t you look at the law I’m actually citing. Not some other law you imagine I’m referring to. I quoted it entirely.

    Steve57 (d68bce)

  102. if her server wasn’t connected via federal secure links, housed in a secure area acording to regs, and housed on a box that also met federal standards, each and every classified e-mail sent (even the most minor classification, such as FOUO, counts) to it was a violation of the relevant federal code.

    IIRC, each violation is good for 3 years in prison, and we already have proof that the serve existed. even the printed out documents will suffice for counting how many violations occurred.

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  103. I think there was a claim that she did not send classified info over email.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  104. Something I haven’t seen addressed — Wherever I’ve worked, the IT people have assigned me an email address. (( More-or-less, “Hi, Nonny! Your new email will be N.Mouse@officename.com. If you have any questions, we’ll be glad to help you get set up; if you need help managing your incoming email in order to automatically route certain senders or topics to special folders, let us know.” ))

    I would assume the IT people at Dept of State did the same for Dear Hillary: “Your new email is Hillary_SOS@DeptOfState.gov” or some such, with an offer to help her with any problems/ advise her on security issues/ assist with multiple-account setup.

    So, was there EVER such an email account created for her? Was there EVER some communication with her by the “IT people” explaining what the FedGov rules for sending/ receiving/ archiving emails were? You’d think that would be standard operating procedure at ANY big enterprise … much less Our Bloated Government.

    I’d like to know exactly what was communicated to her about the requirements, and I’d like to know, exactly, word-for-word, what her response was.

    Yeah; fat chance.

    A_Nonny_Mouse (484974)

  105. 103. I think there was a claim that she did not send classified info over email.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 3/11/2015 @ 5:26 pm

    It is disingenuous for Hillary! to claim that. While she may not have originated or forwarded any emails with classification markings, anything she would have written in an email about US objectives in an upcoming negotiation or just foreign policy goals would have been by definition classified to some degree. But that would have been inconvenient for poor, put upon Hillary! and her entourage.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/16/gchq-intercepted-communications-g20-summits

    Foreign politicians and officials who took part in two G20 summit meetings in London in 2009 had their computers monitored and their phone calls intercepted on the instructions of their British government hosts, according to documents seen by the Guardian. Some delegates were tricked into using internet cafes which had been set up by British intelligence agencies to read their email traffic…

    This is why the DoS supplies secure devices for diplomats and other officials. Because even friendly countries want to know what strategy others are pursuing.

    http://www.state.gov/m/irm/dtspo/index.htm

    The Diplomatic Telecommunications Service Program Office (DTS-PO) supports all United States Government departments and agencies operating from Diplomatic and Consular facilities outside of the United States by providing secure, reliable, and robust communications capabilities.

    We offer connections to all U.S. Embassy and Consulate facilities around the world. We offer terrestrial, satellite and internet services, international direct-dialing and Voice over IP (VoIP).

    Congress created DTS-PO in 1992 to provide a way for Government agencies to…

    Basically, Hillary! was playing poker on the world stage. And for the sake of her own “convenience” by using her unsecure homebrew email system she was letting every other player see her cards.

    Steve57 (d68bce)

  106. yes, and she blamed Benghazi on a video, less seen than a typical ‘Alan Smithee’ project, the time Hillary has been candid, has been entirely unintentional.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  107. re #105: somewhere up above Steve57 also makes an excellent point that by using ‘convenience’ as an argument she was putting her convenience above NATIONAL Security.

    if somehow she does decided to run for another political office, that should be “the bumper sticker” message of her opponents.

    still want to her spam email and if you haven’t seen the photo of SPalin with 2 phones and baby Trig, well lets just say you are missing out an a great compare and contrast.

    seeRpea (b6bbec)

  108. Watching a replay of that pathetic “presser” by Clinton and with memories of every public utterance she has made that I’ve caught, delivered in a rote, going-thru-the-motions manner, I am struck by the fact that she is so ordinary and really has nothing of substance to offer the nation. It’s a sad commentary on contemporary liberalism. It’s an empty, soulless philosophy that has stolen motivation and a personal sense of worth from tens of millions of people.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. I’ve mentioned on this and other comment threads that with Hillary! is committing an ongoing violation of the law. She admitted by the act of turning them over that she has over 55,000 pages of government records on her private server. That the electronic records, not the paper copies, are the complete record. Everything that constitutes the electronic record including the metadata belongs to the government. Yet it exists no where else but on Hillary!’s private server, and she will not turn over that server. She insists that her server will remain private. Yet the information that is on that server, which is not archived in its complete form anywhere else, does not belong to her but ultimately belongs to the people of the United States. Those are work products that are government property, not private property, on her “private” server.

    Of course, these are fairly obvious points and lots of people have mentioned them. The pathetic thing about Hillary! and her lies is that she somehow thinks we’ll buy them because we all just hatched this morning.

    But Andy McCarthy has a good summary of some of the issues regarding Hillary!’s ongoing criminality at NRO:

    Hillary Clinton Is Still Violating the Law and the Justice Department Should Take Custody of the Server

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415290/hillary-clinton-still-violating-law-and-justice-department-should-take-custody-server

    Steve57 (d68bce)

  110. Justice Department, ‘those words you are using’ Steve,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  111. 108. Watching a replay of that pathetic “presser” by Clinton and with memories of every public utterance she has made that I’ve caught, delivered in a rote, going-thru-the-motions manner, I am struck by the fact that she is so ordinary and really has nothing of substance to offer the nation. It’s a sad commentary on contemporary liberalism. It’s an empty, soulless philosophy that has stolen motivation and a personal sense of worth from tens of millions of people.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/11/2015 @ 9:31 pm

    What’s even a sadder commentary on contemporary liberalism is that the great white hope of the party is Elizabeth Warren. A demonstrable fraud and a self-dealer who has profiteered handsomely from her opportunism.

    Steve57 (d68bce)

  112. Not my words narcisso, I just couldn’t avoid using them since they’re in the URL, even.

    Steve57 (d68bce)

  113. people with only the Dog Trainer or Carlos Slim’s for substenance, will buy that puppy,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  114. Yes, that is why I said “there was a claim”, not “it was so”.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)


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