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12/20/2014

Cop Hater Executes Two Police Officers in Brooklyn

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:00 pm

NYC protestors chant: “What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!”

They got what they wanted:

Two police officers in Brooklyn were fatally shot in their patrol car on Saturday in what the police commissioner called a “mindless assassination.”

The commissioner, William J. Bratton, said the suspect had shot his former girlfriend in the stomach in Baltimore earlier in the day and had apparently posted photos on an Instagram account threatening to kill New York City officers.

Mr. Bratton, speaking with Mayor Bill de Blasio at a news conference on Saturday evening, identified the officers as Wenjian Liu, a seven-year veteran of the New York Police Department, and Rafael Ramos, who had been an officer since 2012.

Mr. Bratton said the officers had been shot with “no warning” and “no provocation.”

After the shootings in Brooklyn, the man, whom Mr. Bratton identified as Ismaaiyl Brinsley, 28, then fled to a nearby subway station and fatally shot himself in the head.

The gunman made reference to Michael Brown and Eric Garner in his Instagram message.

Disgusting. Michael Brown was a robber and the best evidence suggests he fought with a police officer over his gun and then rushed the officer. Eric Garner, in my opinion, did not deserve the level of force he experienced, but the police officer whose actions resulted in Garner’s death clearly did not intend that result, and Garner’s poor health obviously contributed to his death.

There is a sickness in society and a hatred of police who are trying to protect the public. Sensible people need to stand up and say: enough.

UPDATE: Here are NYPD cops turning their backs on the mayor. (It’s an autoplay video so no embed. Go here and then come back.)

163 Responses to “Cop Hater Executes Two Police Officers in Brooklyn”

  1. Why isn’t the media blaming Occupy Wall Street, the progressives, et al? The perp probably felt Michelle Obama’s pain at being asked to get something from the top shelf.

    Jack (a742cc)

  2. correlation is not causation

    there’s only reapings and sowings anymore

    it’s probably something to do with entropy

    when you get to the corner don’t look at those freaks keep your head down low and stay quick on your feet

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. Prayers for the officers and their families. Not so much for the perp. Let him explain himself to the Big Guy. Is that cold?

    “So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?”

    Jer 7:16 – 17

    “If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.”

    1 John 5:16

    felipe (40f0f0)

  4. I blame white privilege

    JD (40c4b3)

  5. when you sow the wind don’t complain about reaping the whirlwind! If you want cops lives to matter make sure black lives matter or else tit for tat!

    dj (273b3e)

  6. Clean up on aisle 5.

    Gazzer (ae5179)

  7. You beat me to it, Gazzer.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  8. Perry is sick.

    JD (40c4b3)

  9. As are the many who are celebrating this act all over the Intertubes. I weep for our country.

    Gazzer (ae5179)

  10. Number 5 wasn’t Perry; that’s not the way he writes.

    The Dana who knows Perry (1b79fa)

  11. After his reception at the press conference today it would seem unlikely. However, what we don’t need right now is more division. It might be better for the victim’s Family to extend an olive branch. He doesn’t deserve it, however.

    Gazzer (ae5179)

  12. I know there had been some discussion about NYC police banning the mayor from police funerals. I don’t know if it would be the right thing to do or not, but it would make a statement.
    Obviously what he or anyone else said was not the proximal cause of why these officers were killed, but it is obvious this fellow was responding in part to the message that was pushed into the public consciousness.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  13. It takes me awhile to type, hence the cross post. Sorry.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  14. I’m wondering if he really shot himself. With nary a bit of blaming of the police if he did not. Actually, I think “cop killers die” would be a very uplifting and inspiring message for our disadvantaged and oppressed youths.

    nk (dbc370)

  15. Dana – care to make a bet?

    JD (40c4b3)

  16. #5 So I guess that everybody will go home now that the numbers match, huh?

    Assh*le.

    Pious Agnostic (4e1a81)

  17. the suspect had shot his former girlfriend in the stomach in Baltimore earlier in the day

    Now, it makes sense. It was a freebie. Like Dan White killing Harvey Milk after he’d killed the mayor, and many other examples.

    A person who has already killed someone, or any rate faces an extremely long prison term, is no longer deterred. A lot of mass killers have killed someone close to tjhem before the massacre.

    (Even if the girl was not killed, he He may have thought he killed the girl, because he didn’t stick around to find out)

    It wasn’t that he thought this was very important to him, and it explains his immediate suicide.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  18. Condolences to the friends and families of the officers.

    htom (9b625a)

  19. Of course this also reminds me of Freddie’s Fashion Mart in 1990. Where Al Sharpton had called for a boycott of a certain store in Harlem and called the owner a white interloper. Some person burned the place down, and in process killed people, and Al Sharpton was a long time living that down..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton

    Freddie’s Fashion MartIn 1995 a black Pentecostal Church, the United House of Prayer, which owned a retail property on 125th Street, asked Fred Harari, a Jewish tenant who operated Freddie’s Fashion Mart, to evict his longtime subtenant, a black-owned record store called The Record Shack. Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the planned eviction of The Record Shack.[42][43][44] Sharpton told the protesters, “We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.”[45]

    On December 8, 1995 Roland J. Smith Jr., one of the protesters, entered Harari’s store with a gun and flammable liquid, shot several customers and set the store on fire. The gunman fatally shot himself, and seven store employees died of smoke inhalation.[46][47] Fire Department officials discovered that the store’s sprinkler had been shut down, in violation of the local fire code.[48] Sharpton claimed that the perpetrator was an open critic of himself and his nonviolent tactics. Sharpton later expressed regret for making the racial remark, “white interloper,” and denied responsibility for inflaming or provoking the violence.[20][49]

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  20. People with nothing to lose are dangerous people, that’s very true, Sammy.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. This time, Al Sharpton was very quick with a statement, to which he also attached the Garner family, calling it reprehensible, and saying any linking of the name of Eric Garner or Michae Brown to something like this is doubleplus nogood.

    http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/we_are_outraged_by_shooting_of.html

    “I have spoken to the Garner family and we are outraged by the early reports of the police killed in Brooklyn today,” Sharpton said in a news release. “Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases.”

    Rev. Sharpton said he and the Garner family have “stressed at every rally and march that anyone engaged in any violence is an enemy to the pursuit of justice for Eric Garner and Michael Brown.”

    Rev. Sharpton, who plans to extend his and the Garner family’s condolences to the NYPD and the families of the police officers at a news conference on Sunday, added:

    “The Garner family and I have always stressed that we do not believe that all police are bad. In fact we have stressed that most police are not bad.”

    Al Sharpton is now issuing statements jointly with or for the Garner family.He did that also, or consulted them, when he cut off official association with the lawyer who’d date-raped an important member of his organization.

    The killer had mentioned Eric Garner in his last Instagram message saying it might be his last.

    http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-cops-shot-execution-style-in-brooklyn/

    “I’m Putting Wings on Pigs Today,” a person believed to be the gunman wrote on Instagram in a message posted just three hours before the officers were shot.

    “They Take 1 Of Ours…Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” the post continued, signing off with, “This May Be My Final Post.”

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  22. Oh, Sharpton had better keep a low profile, I would tell him. And Columbia law students better stay in their rooms and study for their exams, too, or their “die ins” might turn out to be a little bit more than drama.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. JD wrote:

    Dana – care to make a bet?

    Yes, actually. I know Perry — at least the Perry who was once Gramps2 and a few other iterations to work around the filter — and have physically met him. He really doesn’t write that way.

    I suppose that he could have worked on changing his style, but he’s 80 years old; it’s kind of hard to do that at his age.

    The Perry I know lives in Delaware, and his IP addresses at least used to go through Philadelphia, but a whole lot of people’s IP addresses go through Philly.

    The Dana who knows Perry (1b79fa)

  24. 21. nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2014 @ 7:25 pm

    People with nothing to lose are dangerous people, that’s very true, Sammy.

    An unethical, bad person, but that’s what someone who’s just killed someone close to him is.

    Adam Walsh probably would never have shot the chldren if he hadn’t killed his mother first. After that, he didn’t need a very strong motive.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  25. 13. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/20/2014 @ 6:54 pm

    I know there had been some discussion about NYC police banning the mayor from police funerals.

    Not the New York City police, who after all, are not independent of the mayor.

    The head of the Patrolman’s Benevolent Association, Pat Lynch, announced he was collecting signatures of policemen who would sign something saying that if they were killed in the line of duty, they didn’t want the mayor to attend their funeral.

    I don’t know if it would be the right thing to do or not, but it would make a statement.

    How would they even know what the circumstances were?

    You know these demonstratons are taking detectives off cases. Some have to be on standby and that doesn’t let them work on homicide cases (because they might be interrupted at any time)

    These demonstration are not entirely under Sharpton’s control. There are otehr people ewtting involved.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  26. Brinkley apparently can read Arabic, & his 2007
    booking in G’s Identifies him as Ismail abdullah

    narciso (58423e)

  27. ==“I have spoken to the Garner family and we are outraged by the early reports of the police killed in Brooklyn today,” Sharpton said in a news release. “Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases.”
    Rev. Sharpton said he and the Garner family have “stressed at every rally and march that anyone engaged in any violence is an enemy to the pursuit of justice for Eric Garner and Michael Brown.”==

    Yeah, see there’s the problem, Rev Al. Once you strut and rally and stir up the peeps and lie and activate their emotion and bring the TV cameras — you eventually and rather easily lose control over them and the situation. This is what is increasingly happening and yes, what happened today is largely on you, Sharpton.

    elissa (024063)

  28. Dana – you are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. This is the 8363548293745th insane iteration of crazy Perry. He has posted under more names than anyone not named imdw. Perry may once have been different, but that is Perry now. There are likely hundreds of nonsensical rants left by him here.

    JD (40c4b3)

  29. “Eric Garner, in my opinion, did not deserve the level of force he experienced.”

    The thing about chickens is that they tend to come home to roost.

    What’s sickening is the pass you give to the cops, who murdered a man in broad daylight, for selling untaxed cigarettes. Trying to blame the victim of their murder.

    I have news for you Pat. There’s going to be a lot more executed cops. The people have gone to the mattresses because that’s the only place the cops have left them to find justice.

    someguy (37038b)

  30. #somepeoplearedlcks

    JD (40c4b3)

  31. de Blovio can tough it out but he is now an unmitigated disaster.

    DNF (d52fb5)

  32. Another heinous act owned by Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, Holder, and every other leftwinger that preaches hatred and distrust of the police.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. in another time
    the decent people prevailed
    in another place

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. What’s sickening is the pass you give to the cops, who murdered a man in broad daylight, for selling untaxed cigarettes.

    I love this new meme, where, when someone commits crime x, and then commits provocation y, resulting in his death, we say he was killed for crime x.

    So if a guy shoplifts, and then shoots at cops, and they return fire and kill him, he was “killed for shoplifting.”

    If he spits on the sidewalk, and then reaches for a cop’s gun while resisting arrest, and is shot, he was “killed for spitting on the sidewalk.”

    And so forth.

    It’s all utterly dishonest, of course. But the people who hate cops, and the media who love them, don’t seem to care much about honesty.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  35. He wasn’t murdered for selling untaxed cigarettes. He was killed when force was used to arrest him. That force was only necessary because he resisted, and for that matter he told the officers he would be resisting. His death was avoidable, and partly because police did not seem to appreciate the real danger they put him in. People, and indeed, at least one other person recently and in a high profile case, are killed by restriction of breathing – and people with central obesity and pre-existing breathing problems are vulnerable. He wasn’t picked on because of his race, though. He was picked on because he was not only a chronic scofflaw but he’d made himself unwelcome with locals.

    SarahW (267b14)

  36. “What’s sickening is the pass you give to the cops, who murdered a man in broad daylight, for selling untaxed cigarettes. Trying to blame the victim of their murder.”

    a wrong may have been done there, but perhaps an out-of-control, revenue rapacious State that sees fit to make it a crime to do silly things like selling “loosies” on the street bears much of the blame. Don’t make laws and then expect the people hired to enforce those laws will not do their jobs. And for God’s sake, if you’re asked by an officer to submit to questioning or custody, COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  37. 37. Garner’s mother said she didn’t think it had anything to do with race.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  38. Sammy, if it didn’t have “anything to do with race” then Garner’s mother and wife could have found a dozen other qualified spokesmen black or white to take their cause and represent them. Sharpton is the “tell” here.

    elissa (024063)

  39. Bill DeBlasio not only was in favor of the high cig tax, he just last week sued a Virginia tobacco dealer for dealing untaxed cigs headed to NYC. It’s a damn silly law, but it’s part and parcel of the tax and spend nanny state. Cigarette smuggling is so rampant that from NY cig tax revenues have declined since it became law. So while this awful mayor talks about Garner being a “minor” offender in fact he is making a big deal about it for his bottom line. And it falls on cops to enforce that law.

    If he had a ounce of decent he’d resign tomorrow.

    Al Sharpton-is he ever gonna pay his taxes? Does he flip a coin-heads, I’ll pay this year’s, tails, I’ll start a very convenient fire? This is the “wise man” of the Democrat party.

    Had Garner or Brown simply submitted they would have probably been out on bail within a day. There is no right to resist arrest. If you’re gonna try to take a cop’s gun as In brown’s case, you asked for it. This country has gone crazy making stupid criminals into icons. And Obama, Holder, Sharpton, DeBlasio have a lot to answer for today. They have all pretended these 2 were upstanding decent people, they were anything but.

    Bugg (f0dbc7)

  40. “It’s all utterly dishonest, of course. But the people who hate cops, and the media who love them, don’t seem to care much about honesty.”

    Go f*ck yourself, dude.

    You and your complicit prosecutors all over the country have an obligation to prosecute police officers committing heinous crimes. And you’re not doing it. How many corrupt cops have you put behind bars, Pat? Zero. That’s how many.

    Corrupt Cop X shouldn’t have been hassling someone for selling cigarettes in the first place. Then, when he murdered Eric Garner in broad daylight, he should have been prosecuted for his crimes. But he wasn’t, because of a corrupt prosecutor. Just like you.

    And now two “innocent” cops are dead because of it.

    The people will get justice. If they can’t get it in the courts, they’ll take it out on the streets.

    You and yours are the problem here, pal. Not the media. Get that straight.

    someguy (37038b)

  41. someguy wrote:

    What’s sickening is the pass you give to the cops, who murdered a man in broad daylight, for selling untaxed cigarettes.

    The police tried to arrest Mr Garner, which was the proper thing for them to do. Mr Garner chose to resist arrest, and was big enough that the police were unable to restrain him without the use of force by multiple officers. Mr Garner collapsed, and then suffocated.

    Now, given Mr Garner’s resistance to arrest, what actions do you believe the police should have taken to enforce a legitimate arrest?

    The Dana who ought to know better than to engage SomeGuy (1b79fa)

  42. Buh-bye, d-bag. Good Allah.

    JD (40c4b3)

  43. Officers Ramos and Liu? Way to strike back at the white man, by killing two cops “of color.” I wonder if this miscreant would have shot an African-American cop.

    And someguy sounds a lot to me like a typical Internet poseur radical. The type who shows up to hang out at Occupy NY during the day but retreats to the comfort of his NYU dorm at night.

    JVW (60ca93)

  44. I love it how enforcing a stupid law as written now makes the cop corrupt.

    JD (40c4b3)

  45. someguy is the badass radical who pees his pants and runs for home at the first sign of the tear gas and police dogs.

    JVW (60ca93)

  46. someguy wrote:

    Corrupt Cop X shouldn’t have been hassling someone for selling cigarettes in the first place.

    Are you saying that the police should not attempt to arrest someone who is breaking the law?

    The Dana who really ought to know better than to engage SomeGuy (1b79fa)

  47. 41. Bugg (f0dbc7) — 12/20/2014 @ 8:41 pm

    Bill DeBlasio not only was in favor of the high cig tax, he just last week sued a Virginia tobacco dealer for dealing untaxed cigs headed to NYC.

    But he squashed the press release.

    http://nypost.com/2014/12/16/de-blasio-quietly-filed-untaxed-cig-suit-the-week-of-garner-decision/

    The city Law Department drafted the civil racketeering suit the same week that a Staten Island grand jury did not indict NYPD cop Daniel Pantaleo in Garner’s chokehold death, and it was quietly filed in Brooklyn federal court on Dec. 9.

    The Law Department drafted a press release boasting that the suit “is the first of its kind brought by the city against an out-of-state entity for supplying cigarette traffickers,” sources said.

    But City Hall suppressed the news, ordering the Law Department not to put out the release, according to the sources.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  48. Al Sharpton-is he ever gonna pay his taxes?

    Other people will give him gifts of cash to pay his taxes. No names will be recorded.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  49. Americans will not tolerate executions and assassinations of the police. That ain’t justice, bro, and 98% of the people in this country know it even if you don’t, someguy. A dangerous rubicon was crossed today and even Sharpton realizes it.

    elissa (024063)

  50. Corrupt Cop X shouldn’t have been hassling someone for selling cigarettes in the first place.

    Maybe the people who wrote the law are corrupt? Not the officers charged with stopping a law New Yorkers apparently wanted and put up with. Who made this law? Do gooders – because they are sooo GOOOOD. Break poor people from smoking by taxing the wazoo out of cigarettes, and make it illegal to buy a single. And who want that tax money so much they sell cigarettes confiscated under the law for profit.

    SarahW (267b14)

  51. It wasn’t conservatives or police who made selling ciggies on the streetcorner a pretext to move an obnoxious person on down the road.

    Garner was belligerent and intimidating to local merchants, who also have to knuckle on to that law from angels on high, and the occasional shakedown. Are they not allowed to have peace on the streets without unfair competition taking their hard earned dollar?

    SarahW (267b14)

  52. And he probably sees himself as heroic. Pathetic.

    Some parents either aren’t competent enough to teach their children right from wrong, what the common sense thing is to do in various situations or their offspring are dull, bag-of-hammers stupid street rats.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. From our host’s hometown newspaper:

    Health groups and other proponents said they need higher levies on each pack (of cigarettes) — or even e-cigarettes — to recoup more than $1 billion in revenues lost because fewer people smoke.

    Just in case you think that higher taxes on cigarettes are meant to discourage smoking!

    The Dana who looked it up (1b79fa)

  54. Sharpton’s grifter ass ought to be laying low for the foreseeable future…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. Oh the laws were sold that way, high taxes to fend off the societal and economic bad of smoking – but the leviathan roars. FEED ME.

    SarahW (267b14)

  56. Dana-

    The entirety of the tax and spend northeast really believed instituting high cigarette taxes were going to fund a whole bunch of state spending. instead cig tax revenues dropped through the floor. These liberal idiots don’t understand simple supply and demand. Between people quitting or seeking out untaxed cigs no one with an ounce of common sense pays full price except out of desperation. And obviously some law enforcement has to back up those laws.

    Bugg (f0dbc7)

  57. It appears some people are catching on to huskster “Rev.” Al and his daughter. Good.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/michael-tracey-al-sharpton-civil-rights-fraud-article-1.2049602

    elissa (024063)

  58. Overtime in the 49er/Charger game. 35 up.

    ropelight (0de283)

  59. Between people quitting or seeking out untaxed cigs no one with an ounce of common sense pays full price except out of desperation.

    Poor people.

    I drive to the next county (maybe twenty minutes each way) and buy a couple of cartons for half the Chicago price. Poor people don’t have cars, or $140.00 cigarette money at any one time.

    nk (dbc370)

  60. The Pennsylvania state legislature allowed Philadelphia to impose a $2.00 per pack additional tax on cigarettes to help fund the city schools. To absolutely no one’s surprise, smokers who live close to the city line drive across to buy their cancer sticks more cheaply in Montgomery County. And, while they’re at the convenience stores across the line, they’re also buying milk and bread and other things, and city merchants are losing a lot of business.

    Of course, for the heavily black neighborhoods in North Philadelphia, the city line is a lot more than a few blocks away, so the reality is that the black-controlled city government imposed a new tax that impacts mostly poorer, black city residents.

    I am wryly amused.

    The Dana who doesn't smoke (1b79fa)

  61. You and your complicit prosecutors all over the country have an obligation to prosecute police officers committing heinous crimes. And you’re not doing it. How many corrupt cops have you put behind bars, Pat? Zero. That’s how many.

    Not my unit. I put gang murderers behind bars. Plenty of them. Other people in my office prosecute corrupt cops, and do a good job of it.

    JD has apparently banned you. That seems appropriate.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  62. It’s midnight-thirty, and I’m going to bed!

    The sleepy Dana (1b79fa)

  63. and the Chargers put the 49’s to bed as well…

    a good end to a bad day

    redc1c4 (2b3c9e)

  64. I am much more sympathetic to the protests about Brown and Garner than you are, and I am much less trusting of police than almost anyone on this site.

    And yet – to gun down two people, not because you are mad at them as *individuals* for something they have done which has hurt you, but because you dislike what they represent and to which tribe they owe allegiance? That is utterly outrageous behavior which deserves the utmost contempt, and which, if the perpetrator had not gone on to kill himself, the State of New York should punish with its highest level of punishment.

    aphrael (ca6a52)

  65. You are sympathetic to the protests about Brown even after published evidence and testimony proves that the original narrative was a lie and that he physically attacked the cop? Even after the ongoing protests have been shown to have been taken over by outside agitators, and the private property of innocent citizens and businesses has been destroyed for nothing? I am stunned, aphrael. What am I missing in your thought process?

    elissa (024063)

  66. Elissa: the protests are, at the end of the day, *not* about Michael Brown the individual – they’re about the experience of being a black person in urban America. Brown was a proverbial camel’s-back-breaking straw.

    Yes, there are outside agitators, and yes the protests have turned violent in some places (although, note, not here in New York, until the shooting today). But the presence of outside agitators and violence does not make me unsympathetic to the underlying complaint – urban black kids are subject *in practice* to different rules than urban white and hispanic kids, and those rules operate to their detriment.

    aphrael (ca6a52)

  67. That’s because they follow different rules, aphrael. Whom did Jesse Jackson say he would be relieved to find walking behind him on a lonely sidewalk at night?

    nk (dbc370)

  68. straw and camels are never gonna be 100% relaxed in each other’s company

    but that doesn’t mean as a society we shouldn’t try to bring them together

    happyfeet (831175)

  69. Whom did Jesse Jackson say he would be relieved to find walking behind him on a lonely sidewalk at night?

    my money’s on a young shirtless boy

    happyfeet (831175)

  70. White, I don’t know about the young or shirtless.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. only his hairdresser knows for sure

    happyfeet (831175)

  72. they’re about the experience of being a black person in urban America.

    since most of the unpleasant aspect of that “experience” are self-induced, either directly or indirectly, maybe the protestors should spend more time on self reflection & improvement and less time on either advocating or engaging in violence?

    if “black lives matter” why don’t more blacks act as if they do, theirs & others, instead of deliberately choosing lifestyles and behaviors that are antithetical to their own survival, let alone their personal success and best interests?

    naw, that would be acting white and we can’t have that: far better to look, talk and act like a thug, refuse to become educated or avoid criminal acts, then blame the inevitable outcome on racism.

    sorry, but i have no sympathy for self-inflicted wounds, my own or anyone else’s.

    redc1c4 (6d1848)

  73. >JD has apparently banned you. That seems appropriate.

    More evidence that the governemnt (yes you Pat) controls social media.

    Can’t stand a little blowback bruising your f*ucking ginormous ego, I see.

    someguy (37038b)

  74. yup the once-flimsy case that Mr. Patterico controls social media deserves a second look

    someone should make cookies (Dana?) and we can all watch a powerpoint about it, if Mr. someguy will be so kind as to put one together

    I’m a bring my special rooibus (pronounced ray-bus)/black tea blend I inventered

    happyfeet (831175)

  75. More evidence that the governemnt (yes you Pat) controls social media.

    Can’t stand a little blowback bruising your f*ucking ginormous ego, I see.

    Or maybe he didn’t. I dunno.

    If he didn’t, it’s not worth it for me to bother. Yap away, little doggie.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  76. I think musics would be a better alternative, Mr. Happyfeet. What say you? Perhaps you could come up with something appropriate to soothe Mr. someguy who is coming across over the interwebs as being a little extra tense this evening.

    elissa (024063)

  77. here’s a little tune that i find most appropriate for “someguy” “dj” and all the other idiots, but that our host is entirely too classy to post himself.

    i don’t have that problem, but i will give a language warning… 😉

    redc1c4 (4db2c8)

  78. What I find amazing is with all these pissant “crimes” (selling loose cigarettes, jaywalking, leaving your 11-year-old child unattended for 5 minutes, etc) that there are not more people to tell a irksome police officer to bugger off. Police need to practice discretion and ignore the stupider of the Nanny-state laws. If the person is being an ahole, there should be something better to “nail” him on that “selling loosies.”

    This was once a free country.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  79. He wasn’t murdered for selling untaxed cigarettes.

    He wasn’t detained for that either. The law forbids buying a legal pack of cigarettes and selling off the individual smokes (presumably making a profit). They had no idea at the time whether the original pack had a tax stamp or not.

    It isn’t about the tax, this is to protect people from their addiction by banning their purchase of single cigarettes. By the same logic, you would make individual bar shots illegal and require all booze purchases to be by the bottle. Because Freedom!

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  80. if you don’t like the cops enforcing “nanny state” laws, stop electing the idiots who pass them and put people in office who will get rid of them.

    asking the government or the cops to pick and choose which laws to enforce or ignore is a bad idea that will lead to horrible outcomes.

    redc1c4 (4db2c8)

  81. red,

    1) I do.

    2) Cops pick and choose what to enforce all the time. I don’t want a robot police force practicing some crazed “zero-tolerance” vision of the municipal code. They are hired (or should be hired), in part, for not being stupid.

    Case in point: a very long time ago my apartment was burglarized while I was out of town. The manager spotted them leaving with some of my stereo, called the cops, and let them into my apartment. Whereupon they would have had a hard time not seeing the ounce of pot sitting on the coffee table in front of what used to be a stereo system.

    In your system, they would have cited me for it, and probably some health violations if they went into my kitchen. It wasn’t mentioned in the police report, and the pot was still on the table when I got back.

    (I was holding it for a friend, of course.)

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  82. Hopefully, New Yorkers will get sick of DeBlasio like they got sick of Dinkins. If I lived in New York, I’d want everyone thinking “This crap didn’t happen when Giuliani was Mayor!”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  83. if we are hiring cops for intelligence, why can a police department refuse a candidate who scores too high on an IQ test?

    redc1c4 (2b3c9e)

  84. New York City Police Commissioner says this is the the 7th time since 1972 that two policemen who were partners have bene killed together.

    This sounds like something the Black Muslims or he Black Panthers would do.

    It turns out that is no coincidence.

    The killer was a member of the “Black Guerrilla Family”, originally a prison gang founded in San Quentin prison by George Jackson, a Black Panther and one of the “Soledad Brothers”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jackson_(Black_Panther)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Guerrilla_Family

    The evil that men do lives after them, as Shakespeare said.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  85. I keep on hearing that Ismaaiyl Brinsley’s Instagram post, in which he hinted he would kill two cops in revenge for the killing of Eric Garner received over 20 likes, but don’t hear when this happened. If this is all after the news of the killings – and the Instagram post – broke, and it doesn’t mean too much. Certainly not what it would mean if it happened without the publicity.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  86. Ismaaiyl Brinsley lived in Baltimore. The former girlfriend who was shot lived in Baltimore. He fled the scene before the police arrived at 5:45 am yesterday.

    It was the Baltimore County Police Department that learned about the social media posts around 1:30 p.m. when the Maryland victim’s mother said the suspect was posting on Instagram. This was several hours before the killings. (he was also being tracked by cellphone but I don’t know that the New York City police were alerted.)

    Brinsley never mentioned anything about Michael Brown, only Eric Garner (the two for one comment anyway doesn’t make any sense if he had two in mind) yet Sharpton throws in Michael Brown. Although actually the case against the policemen is weaker in the Michael Brown case, in the propganda it sis stronger.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  87. 67. elissa (024063) — 12/20/2014 @aphrael

    You are sympathetic to the protests about Brown even after published evidence and testimony proves that the original narrative was a lie and that he physically attacked the cop?

    The prosecutor in st Louis now gave an interview on radio. He said e didn’t want to dot right away.

    He says some witnesses lied (which is different than what he said when he mad ethe announcement, because at that time he claimed people thought they were telling the truth)

    But he’s not going to prosecute anyone for perjury.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  88. The Instgram account the killer used was not his – it was his ex-grlfriend’s.

    That helps make more sense of things. It explains why the ex-girlfriend’s mother reported it. A question is, though, was he the actual user of the account all along? That remains unclear.

    The woman is seriously wounded. It sounds like the police have not been able to talk to her.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  89. PBA President Pat Lynch says there is blood on many people’s hands starting with City Hall.

    I didn’t like at all the way President Obama condemned the killings.

    It doesn’t need condemnation. From him or anyone else.

    If he wanted to condemn anything, it should have been all those people who ‘liked’ the Instagram post about putting wings on pigs (turning them into angels? Shouldn’t it be devils?)

    The murders themselves are beyond condemnation.

    Condemning them treats that like a debateable proposition, and that’s wrong. It’s not a remotely debateable proposition.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  90. elissa @67

    I am stunned, aphrael. What am I missing in your thought process?

    It’s the “30 million Frenchmen can’t be wrong” fallacy.

    Argumentum ad populum.

    (if however so many people believe something wrong happened in the Michael Brown case, it must be that something wrong happened there)

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  91. In this case, it’s 30 million African Americans.

    Except that opinion isn’t really all that unanimous.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  92. @85 “if we are hiring cops for intelligence, why can a police department refuse a candidate who scores too high on an IQ test?”

    We discriminate against smart cops because the United States Supreme Court ruled that it’s OK for local police forces to discriminate against high-IQ applicants.

    The system wants unthinking lughead thugs, then whines when those drones start choking out people in broad daylight, murdering them in YouTube snuff films, for “crimes” like jaywalking, “spitting on the sidewalk” (as Patterico says is enough for an execution) or “selling loose cigarettes.”

    someguy (37038b)

  93. == the protests are, at the end of the day, *not* about Michael Brown the individual – they’re about the experience of being a black person in urban America. Brown was a proverbial camel’s-back-breaking straw.==

    Ah, it’s the narrative that matters, then? aphrael, do you believe the words “Hands up-Don’t shoot” were spoken that night in Ferguson MO? I, and many other Americans do not, and apparently after careful review of the evidence the grand jury did not think so either. And you can call me a purist, but when a nationwide protest movement is based and marketed largely on those 4 words (which are used in chants and signs and T-shirts, and is still repeated in the media and by some congress persons as unequivocal fact with respect to Brown’s death) to me, that is dishonest and deceitful and antithetical to the very cause you posited. At the end of the day I believe the straw/event that you say “broke the camel’s back” should have actually occurred the way it was claimed to have.

    elissa (c3c631)

  94. Aphrael wrote:

    the protests are, at the end of the day, *not* about Michael Brown the individual – they’re about the experience of being a black person in urban America. Brown was a proverbial camel’s-back-breaking straw.

    So, you are saying that “the experience of being a black person in urban America” includes getting high on drugs, robbing convenience stores and attacking police officers? Those are the “experiences” which sent Mr Brown to his eternal reward.

    The Dana who notices these things (1b79fa)

  95. Elissa wrote:

    Ah, it’s the narrative that matters, then? aphrael, do you believe the words “Hands up-Don’t shoot” were spoken that night in Ferguson MO? I, and many other Americans do not, and apparently after careful review of the evidence the grand jury did not think so either.

    Regrettably, we don’t know the truth on this part, because the incident was not recorded. That leaves us with having to consider other factors to ty to figure out whether Mr Brown actually said that or whether he charged at Officer Wilson.

    Now, to believe that Mr Brown really did surrender, and Officer Wilson simply decided to shoot him anyway, we must believe that a man who was high on drugs and pumped up from having just robbed a convenience store and roughing up a clerk about half his size decided to take the wiser course of action, while an experienced police officer with no record of disciplinary action against him, and one commendation for bravery, decided to kill a man who had surrendered anyway.

    To believe that Mr Brown had not surrendered, and was attacking Officer Wilson a second time, we must believe that a man who was high on drugs and pumped up from having just robbed a convenience store and roughing up a clerk about half his size continued doing what he had been doing right up to that point, and took yet another very stupid decision, while believing that Officer Wilson, an experienced police officer with no record of disciplinary action against him, and one commendation for bravery, saw himself on the receiving end of an assault by man who was much larger than himself and who might well harm or kill him.

    Which one is more probably true?

    The Dana who calculates the probabilities (1b79fa)

  96. somenotverysmartguy wrote:

    More evidence that the governemnt (yes you Pat) controls social media.

    Our host is the government? Who knew?

    The Dana who really ought to know better than to engage somedumbass (1b79fa)

  97. Aphrael wrote:

    I am much more sympathetic to the protests about Brown and Garner than you are, and I am much less trusting of police than almost anyone on this site.

    And yet – to gun down two people, not because you are mad at them as *individuals* for something they have done which has hurt you, but because you dislike what they represent and to which tribe they owe allegiance? That is utterly outrageous behavior which deserves the utmost contempt, and which, if the perpetrator had not gone on to kill himself, the State of New York should punish with its highest level of punishment.

    You are tying to split way too fine a hair here. You have said that you are more sympathetic to the protesters and much less trusting of the police, yet then tell us that it is “utterly outrageous behavior” to attack police officers due to “what they represent and to which tribe they owe allegiance.” That makes no sense at all; you are saying, inter alia, that black Americans are being perfectly reasonable in seeing the police as tribal enemies, but that it is “utterly outrageous” for them to attack police officers. You can’t have that both ways.

    The Dana can see the problem (1b79fa)

  98. @83 You are correct that cops pick and choose what to enforce. I can recall back in the 70’s when interviewing for a position in vice you were expected to know what the three “C’s” of vice were. Conspicuous, Commercial and Complained of. Vice worked exclusively on gambling, lewd conduct stuff and prostitution. If the violaltions didn’t have one of the three C’s it was generally ignored. I believe your pot would be, or was, ignored under that that type of standard, not to mention it would be a pain in the a55 to deal with.

    Garner met at least two of the three, Commercial and Complained of.

    labcatcher (61737c)

  99. Buh-bye.

    JD (c501ee)

  100. 66. Contempt is a rather effete response to a war one has instigated.

    de Blovio has lost the war, as the Germans had by D-day’s nightfall, tho tens of thousands had yet to die.

    DNF (d52fb5)

  101. Mr M wrote:

    a very long time ago my apartment was burglarized while I was out of town. The manager spotted them leaving with some of my stereo, called the cops, and let them into my apartment. Whereupon they would have had a hard time not seeing the ounce of pot sitting on the coffee table in front of what used to be a stereo system.

    You are telling us that at least two men — or so I judge from your use of the plural — burgled your apartment, stealing a stereo system, but didn’t take the marijuana in plain sight on the table in front of the stereo?

    The incredulous Dana (1b79fa)

  102. 80. “I find amazing .. that there are not more people to tell a irksome police officer to bugger off.”

    Born yesterday.

    DNF (d52fb5)

  103. 38. “COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST!”

    “What we have here is a failure to communicate.”

    Moms all over America are to receive an untimely, failing grade.

    DNF (d52fb5)

  104. if we are hiring cops for intelligence, why can a police department refuse a candidate who scores too high on an IQ test?
    redc1c4 (2b3c9e) — 12/21/2014 @ 1:46 am

    Because, otherwise, all the police would be white European-descended men, and it would violate sex and racial quotas create a disparate impact on protected minorities.

    nk (dbc370)

  105. The Dana who calculates the probabilities (1b79fa) — 12/21/2014 @ 7:39 am

    Now, to believe that Mr Brown really did surrender, and Officer Wilson simply decided to shoot him anyway, we must believe that a man who was high on drugs and pumped up from having just robbed a convenience store and roughing up a clerk about half his size

    He wasn’t high on drugs. If he was high on anything, it was testosterone, natural or artificial or both.

    More likely, he was a gang member, and also overestimated his own capabilities, and the restraint of the policeman, and the element of surprise he could get.

    Someone here said they train to steal guns from police.

    He probably stole the cigars to sell them, not smoke them himself or use them to put marijuana in, and now he saw an opportunity to steal a policeman’s gun. Which would fetch a lot of money on the black market.

    decided to take the wiser course of action, while an experienced police officer with no record of disciplinary action against him, and one commendation for bravery, decided to kill a man who had surrendered anyway.

    The policeman testified he was not interested in taking his surrender – and that’s not what he asked him to do. He had absolutely no confidence in his ability to arrest him.

    What he wanted him to do was STOP and lay down on the street until other policemen arrived.

    By the way, Michael Brown was late in graduating from high schoo, having got his diploma only 8 days before in a group of five stidents, in a school district that had lost its accreditation, and the college he was going to attend is a for-profit trade school.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  106. The warning from the Baltimore police came to the NYPD at 2:45 pm which was only about 5 to 10 minutes beforethe two cops were shot.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  107. There is a sickness in society

    Given that it’s Christmas time, I again evoke the famous holiday-oriented movie “It’s a Wonderful Life,” starring Jimmy Stewart. A film containing scenes that depict “Potterville,” a formerly decent place that has descended into a hard-bitten hell. Built on rapaciousness, broken-down morals, addiction and dysfunction in general, we in America made a fateful turn back in November 2008 (and, actually, going back even longer) when we turned this nation into a giant Potterville.

    Mark (c160ec)

  108. aphrael (ca6a52) — 12/20/2014 @ 9:49 pm

    And yet – to gun down two people, not because you are mad at them as *individuals* for something they have done which has hurt you, but because you dislike what they represent and to which tribe they owe allegiance?

    It seems the tribe he thought they belonged to, was “New York City Police.”

    At least he wasn’t lumping all police in the country together.

    But the truth, this was all a freebie, after he possibly thought he killed his ex-girlfriend.

    Or maybe he found out or suspected he didn’t.

    There’s a social media message somewhere – actually two – in response to what he put on Facebook.

    1. Punk a?? b???? – you will pay for what u did.

    2. If anyone see this dude call the police he shot my niece this morning!!!!!

    If he read that, he could have deduced that she wasn’t necessarily dead.

    Still, he knew he had only a limited amount of time of freedom left. He, in fact had even before been trapped by his past, and now even more so.

    How could he utlilize the remainder of his free life, which might be very short?

    Well, he could try to kill some policemen.

    Some people would cheer maybe, and remember him as something other than a criminal.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  109. Elissa, the political landscape has become about immediate emotion, not reason and forethought. It’s Teh Narrative. And we can’t be surprised. The clerisy caste has been pushing this for some time. They are getting what they want.

    Despite all their supposed intelligence, they seem unaware the Robespierre used the same tactic. And it didn’t end well for them.

    Simon Jester (f38bd1)

  110. @65— … and my beloved Raiders will have the company of my daughter’s beloved 49ers in front of the TV for the playoffs. At least I’m used to it. :-)

    Gramps, the original (9e1415)

  111. i had bulletproof coffee this morning except without the mct

    mr. bulletproof guy says this is ok

    happyfeet (831175)

  112. Remember when Tea Party rhetoric was blamed for the shooting of Gabby Giffords? Rhetoric which, at no point, ever called for the murder of anyone?

    Now that the Ferguson protesters explicitly called for the murder of cops, and then cops were duly murdered, think the media is going to talk about the incendiary rhetoric of the protesters and call attention to the link?

    I am so confident they will be consistent that I will hold my breath until it happens…

    Gabriel Hanna (dcffe4)

  113. “Remember when Tea Party rhetoric was blamed for the shooting of Gabby Giffords? Rhetoric which, at no point, ever called for the murder of anyone?”

    But this is different. Because, shut up. Racist

    JD (679e3f)

  114. Because a) they had to discredit the opposition to Obamacare b) stop raising questions about how Sheriff Duffuss, had let it happen,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  115. Some things are not very clear to me.

    I think the Instagram account Ismaaiyl Abdula Brinsley used to post his intent to kill 2 policeman may have belonged to a different girlfriend than the one he shot. But maybe he used two different ones.

    It is not clear to me what and how many social media accounts he used.

    He was born in New York and also lived in Atlanta and Maryland – and maybe Ohio – he was arrested there.

    Sammy Finkelman (6a57b5)

  116. Make no mistake, Democrat party… you own this and every subsequent copycat act. You deserve to have the roof cave in on your wacked-out ideology, as the chickens come home… to roost.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  117. #118: but how many eggs will have to be broken until they do come home?

    redc1c4 (2b3c9e)

  118. The type who shows up to hang out at Occupy NY during the day but retreats to the comfort of his NYU dorm at night.

    Or, better yet (and certainly when such people are older), the comforts of some sylvan neighborhood where the demographics are, say, not too diverse, not too likely to cause a major local street to be named “Martin Luther King Blvd.” That’s the thought that comes to mind when reading not just the comments of the person who posted the response you’re replying to, but also the sentiments of aphrael, so sympathetic towards the protestors, so willing to characterize black youth as being unfair, misunderstood victims of police harassment.

    Mark (c160ec)

  119. I was scrolling fast through the channels last night and hit Spike Channel just long enough to see a guy being cuffed on the show Cops; hands behind his back while standing, and he is hollering “I can’t breathe”… why I don’t know, because Western Michigan vs Air Force bowl game played on the worlds worst football field was way more important to me. (Game was on Boise St. home field which is that old, tired, Powerade blue synthetic abomination)

    steveg (794291)

  120. The law is awful. The result is a black market. It was designed to stop cash leaks but also on purpose targets the poor, it’s what it’s for, but for “their own good.”

    That’s how it’s rationalized, and it gives cops a pretext to get goofballs away from people who complain about them – or at least bother a guy who is known to keep violating the law that other people can’t afford to break because they have more inventory and assets to lose. Of course it should be a ticketing offense and no more, but then what happens when the tickets don’t get paid? Eventually, even with speeding and parking tickets that can result in jail time. Maybe he would have gotten away with it with out anyone attempting to make him stop, if he were discreet, and not hassling the nearby businesses.

    The level of force was related to the level of force needed to arrest a resistor of his size and level of cooperation. They killed him and it was avoidable, and both error and callousness contributed. But that force was only applied because the law permitted his arrest and he resisted arrest.

    SarahW (267b14)

  121. #83
    Huh
    Your burglars didn’t take the marijuana?
    Normally you’d come home to find the marijuana gone, the refrigerator and cupboards bare, two glassy eyed fools sitting on the couch listening to the stereo while watching cartoons on the TV with the sound off.

    steveg (794291)

  122. 63 Patterico “Not my unit. I put gang murderers behind bars. Plenty of them.”

    In the eyes of the Left that makes you an “enemy of the people”. Sigh.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  123. 96 Dana “So, you are saying that ‘the experience of being a black person in urban America’ includes getting high on drugs, robbing convenience stores and attacking police officers?…”

    Bullseye! I have noticed a pattern of black and leftist “outrage” when a violent black thug is justifiably shot by the police or by his intended victim.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  124. Yeah. The violent jihad element is disturbing. This guy was primed to go looking for a cause-killing. At least when he had nothing more much to lose. All murderous dogs go to heaven I guess.

    SarahW (267b14)

  125. “You are tying to split way too fine a hair here. You have said that you are more sympathetic to the protesters and much less trusting of the police, yet then tell us that it is “utterly outrageous behavior” to attack police officers due to “what they represent and to which tribe they owe allegiance.” That makes no sense at all; you are saying, inter alia, that black Americans are being perfectly reasonable in seeing the police as tribal enemies, but that it is “utterly outrageous” for them to attack police officers. You can’t have that both ways.”

    – Dana (re: aphrael)

    He’s not splitting hairs. It’s perfectly consistent to sympathize with the protesters, to not trust the police, and to simultaneously condemn all violence by both sides. So, if it’s “having it both ways” to choose sides and condemn violence, then yes, one can certainly “have it both ways.”

    Cops lie, and break the rules, and target the weak to clear their desks. aphrael stated that he doesn’t trust cops; I don’t trust them either. I’m sure many people on this site find that position offensive. Fine.

    Leviticus (9382da)

  126. Except neither of those propositions have anything to do with Brown or Garner.

    JD (e186a2)

  127. Brown and Garner brought that discussion to the surface, whether or not they were its ideal standard bearers.
    What happened to Garner was an ugly, shameful thing.

    Leviticus (9382da)

  128. Cops lie, and break the rules…”

    My, that’s a broad brush you have there, Mr. Internet Commenter.

    Brown and Garner brought that discussion to the surface, whether or not they were its ideal standard bearers.
    What happened to Garner was an ugly, shameful thing.

    I didn’t like what happened to Garner. Why do you mention Brown? Brown was not a victim.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  129. Fine. Many (but not all, or maybe even most perhaps!) cops lie, break the rules, and target the weak to clear their desks.

    My bad.

    Victim or not, Brown’s death added a great deal of fuel to the ongoing discussion on this topic. That’s why I mention Brown. It has nothing to do with being a “victim.”

    Leviticus (9382da)

  130. Leviticus, these “protests” have nothing in common with the targeted civil rights actions of the 1950s and 1960s, just as this country bears no resemblance whatsoever to the racist America of the 1950s and 1960s.

    You somehow sympathize with shutting down the tunnels or bridges of a major city during commuter rush hour? Taking over the Mall of America? Looting? Burning down local businesses which are both people’s livelihoods and their places to shop? Assassinating cops? It’s all connected. That’s not protest. That’s not “raising awareness”. That’s fomenting anarchy.

    elissa (15c080)

  131. the police officer whose actions resulted in Garner’s death clearly did not intend that result, and Garner’s poor health obviously contributed to his death.

    What is the expected outcome when you strangle someone?

    CTD (5d2762)

  132. There is a sickness in society

    No, there is a sickness in a police force that has bullied, harassed, and abused the community it ostensibly serves so relentlessly that said community now (horrifically) cheers the murder of police offices.

    CTD (5d2762)

  133. As he said, there is a sickness in society. Anyone who cheers the murder of police officers is sick.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  134. Have you commented here before, CTD? If so, please use a consistent name. Blog rules.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  135. DRJ, I think that many, many folks today “argue” from knee jerk reactions and their preferred simplistic, bumper sticker narrative. I see it over and over again.

    I mean, a few ride alongs with police officers would be illuminating.

    To me, the Jonathan Swift style hypocrisy is amazing. I could take comments about “not trusting the police” and replace every relevant term with “not trusting progressives.” Except that would be painting with a broad and unfair brush.

    Simon Jester (3a2c60)

  136. Hopefully, New Yorkers will get sick of DeBlasio like they got sick of Dinkins. If I lived in New York, I’d want everyone thinking “This crap didn’t happen when Giuliani was Mayor!”

    “Miss Me Yet?” billboards with Rudy’s visage to appear shortly in all five Boroughs.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  137. 133. elissa (15c080) — 12/21/2014 @ 7:39 pm

    That’s fomenting anarchy.

    That’s what some of these people are after, including, somewhat more mildly, Al Sharpton, who explictly has come out against “broken windows.”

    They want freedom to rob and steal, and engage in criminal enterprises (and not just ones that people won’t find fault with)

    Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa)

  138. Except that would be painting with a broad and unfair brush.

    Not so broad, and not entirely unfair.
    Man will be known by the company he keeps, and the Progressives keep company with entire spectrum’s of filth.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  139. 118. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/21/2014 @ 10:51 am

    as the chickens come home… to roost.

    119. redc1c4 (2b3c9e) — 12/21/2014 @ 11:12 am .

    #118: but how many eggs will have to be broken until they do come home?

    They came home already, in the St. Louis area, more than three weeks ago:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/sunday-review/pain-is-colorblind.html?_r=0

    A man who had stepped outside to smoke a cigarette had been refused re-entry and tried to sneak in through the exit door. The bouncer there pushed him down. So he returned with a gun, rushed in through the exit and shot the bouncer multiple times. The bouncer, Herbert Burnett, 30, died at the hospital…

    A bouncer at a bar, a policeman, you think there’s a difference?

    They are both giving people orders. People whom they interfere with hate both of them and want them gone. And when to that we add an ideology allowing people to feel they are right about that, people get more active about that.

    Here’s where the chicken coming home to roost comes in:

    …Mr. Perkins, a prominent criminal defense lawyer in the St. Louis area, described his stepson as an avid softball player and jokester who wanted to become a firefighter. It was only his second night working as a bouncer, a side job he picked up because he wanted to make a little extra cash around holiday time. …

    …About 24 hours after the killing, the police arrested a suspect, Jamal T. Martin, who, in a cruel twist, was a client of Mr. Perkins in another case.

    Who probably made sure he was not in jail.

    Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa)

  140. Why didn’t he just get his wrist stamped to allow re-entry, or was he too important to bother with that small step that we take at arena’s and other venues all the time?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  141. FBI stats show that homicide is the leading cause of death among young black males, who are 10 times more likely than young white males to be murdered. Blacks comprise approximately 13% of the population but are responsible for a majority of all murders in the U.S.A..

    The police are not to blame. It is criminal acts committed by a segment of the black community that are to blame and until their leaders and liberal overlords acknowledge and confront that, nothing will change.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. And post 145 is especially true for leftwing mouth-breathers like CTD.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/22/2014 @ 10:01 am

    The police are not to blame.
    Police, prosecutors, mayors and everybody are to blame, because a person can get away with more serious crime, for more time, with minimal consequences, much longer in a black community than anywhere else. Some of that is caused by not trying. And there may be neutral reasons (for example bad or unco-operative or even fearful witnesses) for doing that, but the result is no good. The harder it is to do, the harder the effort must be, and a high failure rate needs to be tolerated, because not trying is failure for sure.

    This is true all over the United States, at least in urban areas.

    I know that this is the opposite of what all those “civil rights” or whatever you want to call them people try to tell you.

    But blacks are LESS likely to be stopped from committing serious crime, not more likely.

    The protesters, of course, are pro-crime, and want this amplified.

    Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa)

  144. Now the first thing that prevents crime is somebody’s upbringing.

    And the second thing is his peer group.

    If both fail, or are counterproductive, you fall back on law enforcement.

    If you don’t have law enforcement, eventually the peer group and the family will turn pro-crime.

    Now there is some law enforcement, so the rate of crime settles into a equilibrium position. Not precisely an equilibrium, because it can go up and it can go down.

    One very important point to note is that the equilibrium level of crime is different in every little local area and certainly every jurisdiction.

    Also crime can sometimes fall because of extraneous factors that push the equilibrium level down, and sometimes you can even get a virtuous cycle, as happened in the 1990s.

    Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa)

  145. 145. …It is criminal acts committed by a segment of the black community that are to blame and until their leaders and liberal overlords acknowledge and confront that, nothing will change.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/22/2014 @ 10:01 am

    Then expect nothing to change. Liberals will never accept responsibility for anything they do. And by liberals, I of course mean communists. They will always assign blame to outside forces and internal agents of hostile outside forces. See, Cuba isn’t poor because it’s communist. It’s poor because the evil capitalistic, imperialistic, militaristic, patriarchal, racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, colonialist oppressors in the US has embargoed it.

    All our top communists from Havana to Pyongyang to Caracas-on-the-Potomac agree on that (that’s why when he announced he’s abandoning our Cuban policy (and ordinary Cubans in the bargain) Obama had to take a verbal shot at the evil of colonialism while giving the hemisphere’s flagship communist country a shot in the arm economically).

    And the same goes for Detroit.

    Communists always blame “hoarders” and “wreckers” for undoing their perfect plans. Just look at Obama. Obamunism would work, of course. Just like communism which has also never failed. It’s only a matter of having the right people in charge. And clearly we have the right people in charge. “We are the ones we have been waiting for.”

    So, why isn’t Obamunism working? Outside forces, wreckers, and hoarders. The last time I checked the reasons Obamunism, which is perfect in every way, isn’t working included a Tsunami in Japan, winter weather, Tropical Storm Sandy, conflict in the middle east, the Constitution, summer weather, Republicans wafting bad vibes in Prom Queen’s general direction, racism, too many legal voters, not enough illegal voters, unpatriotic American corporations that won’t pay their taxes and are hoarding cash, the continued existence of TEA partiers, the Democratic process, white people in general hating the fact there’s a black man in the WH, global warming, three separate and coequal branches of government, global cooling, drought in Kali, wildfires in Australia,…

    I know I’m missing a few. Naturally the problem isn’t Obama, the smartest man to sit in the Oval Office EVAH, and naturally the problem has nothing to do with what he wants to do. No, the problems are outside forces and internal agents of hostile outside forces.

    Steve57 (98542d)

  146. R.I.P. Joe Cocker

    Icy (262fb7)

  147. Some people like to talk casually about having to break a few eggs to make an omelet as a way to justify to themselves that it is often inevitable and necessary that something or someone be destroyed in order to achieve a goal or result. But I think a precious Faberge egg is more the apt analogy. When you think about it, civil society is priceless and is about as fragile as a priceless Faberge egg when it, too, is shoved and left teetering on the edge.

    elissa (0fae53)

  148. Sorry to repeat myself, but I think that folks who like all this disorder should review the French Revolution. And, to make it more personal, the history and end of Robespierre.

    Simon Jester (3a2c60)

  149. it doesn’t have to be today but at some point some of you guys, you’re just gonna have to take your expectations for failmerica down a notch or two

    you can’t hide the decline

    all you can do is embrace the suck

    i’m so sorry this happened to you

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  150. DeBlovio just urged NYC citizens to walk up to all officers and offer condolences as if they are one of the grieving families. Let’s see how that works out.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  151. Leviticus (9382da) — 12/21/2014 @ 7:21 pm

    Let us know when you make your YouTube video on how to gracefully and safely take an uncooperative 350+ lb person into custody.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  152. I trust cops more than I trust someone who does a strong-arm robbery of a convenience store because he doesn’t want to part with a little cash for some cigarillos.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  153. Doc, it wasn’t his fault that the welfare check was late in the mail and Mommy couldn’t give him his allowance.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  154. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/22/2014 @ 11:05 am

    Let us know when you make your YouTube video on how to gracefully and safely take an uncooperative 350+ lb person into custody.

    Darren Wilson was not trying to do this anymore – or at all. He had called for backup in the beginning. What he wanted Michael Brown to do was to stop, and lay down on the sreet, while they waited for more police to come.

    Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa)

  155. He called for back-up prior to being assaulted.
    When Brown took flight, he ‘dismounted’ to keep him in sight so as to advise his dispatcher where the back-up was going to be needed. That’s when Brown turned on him, and met his demise.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  156. Brown turned on him right at the beginning before he could even get a word in edgewise. Yes he called for backup before even driving back, or as he was driving back.

    This actually went down in three stages (or downs)

    1. The first assault on Police Officer Darren Wilson in the car.

    2. Wilson running away, having agun pointed at him, stopping, turning back, arren Wilson backing away, and finally Michael Brown stopping again.

    3. The final surprise attack (he thought) by Michael Brown on Police Offier Darren Wilson. Wilson had his gun out and he shot him.

    Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa)

  157. When a cop has his gun out, and gives you a command and you disregard him and continue aggressive actions, the result is “Suicide By Cop”.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  158. I am absolutely with you that premeditated violence on police is abominable, and that 99+% of officers harbor no ill will to any law abiding citizen, there does exist the John Wayne syndrome (I’ve got a gun and a badge, and I am above the law), as well as real protectionism with the ranks. There is an ANY self policing groups (see: doctors and lawyers).

    In each community, there NEEDS to be an independent board whch looks into ALL allegations of police misconduct. Not to act as adversary, but to protect the integrity of those 99+%. Trust, just like physical integrity, once it it is compromised, collapse is much more likely.

    NeoCon_1 (f22b7b)


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