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12/6/2014

Jeb And Hillary: Making Up Their Minds

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:04 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Will she or won’t she? As Hillary Clinton weighs out whether or not to run in 2016, she is considering the demands of the job. Of course those demands are not unfamiliar to her as she has had a front row seat to the weight, responsibilities and expectations that come with being President of the United States.

Clinton explains:

“The job is unforgiving in many ways, so I think you need people around you who will kid you, make fun of you. … You can lose touch with what’s real, what’s authentic.”

Clinton has already stated that she will likely be making her decision in January. So as she acts like the decision is still up in the air ponders her decision, a pro-Clinton pac has released “Stand With Hillary” in an effort to reach voters. You be the judge of its effectiveness:

“She’s a mother, a daughter and, through it all, she’s a loving wife.

. “…And now, it’s 2016, and this time I’m a-thinking, guys, put your boots on and let’s smash this ceiling … .”

Apparently at the end of the song, the singer trades in his cowboy hat for a hardhat as he literally smashes a sheet of glass (get it – glass ceiling!) with a sledge hammer.

On a side note, I was going to read an article about Clinton and one of her biggest supporters, but the article was entitled Hillary Clinton Gratifies A Major Donor In Israel-Centric Conversation and I immediately thought of Bill. And giggled. Here’s a tip: If the MSM is going to throw their support her way, they might want to double-check their planned headlines and ask themselves WWBD (What or Whom…), and if he would, then immediately edit!

Meanwhile, Jeb Bush is also weighing out whether or not to run in 2016 and has said he will make a decision soon. His considerations go further than Clinton’s just trying to, uh, keep it real:

“Can I do it where the sacrifice to my family is tolerable?…It’s a pretty ugly business right now. There’s a level under which I would never subjugate my family because that’s my organizing principle. That’s my life.”

Bush’s priorities include:

[A]n “all-in” energy policy that expands the use of the nation’s natural resources; a reduction in business regulations; a simpler tax code; an “economically driven” overhaul of the immigration system; and a “radical transformation’’ of the education system.

On immigration, he warns Republicans:

Mr. Bush said he disagrees with President Barack Obama ’s decision to shield millions of illegal immigrants from deportation through executive action that bypasses Congress, but he cautioned Republicans to take the lead on the issue “rather than have their heads explode.”

He said the immigration system should expand access to the U.S. based on the country’s economic needs and prioritize allowing “first-round draft picks” to come, rather than uniting families. “It’s probably the easiest way to get to sustained economic growth, which is what we desperately need,” he noted.

And what about Obamacare? Compromise!

No matter, if Bush plans to run, he really needs to step it up if he hopes to catch up with Clinton. After all, she’s already one pac song ahead.

–Dana

80 Responses to “Jeb And Hillary: Making Up Their Minds”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. After the Professor Ditherington Wiggleroom (H/T Steven Green of Vodkapundit) presidency, do we really need two more indecisive clowns tossing their hats into the ring?

    How long have they had to decide already?

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  3. Has anyone ever thought that when Hillary wins, she and Bill may not survive until the end of her first term and I don’t think Chelsea is in the line of succession? I’m not saying Hillary is old or Bill’s stents may be wearing out, but you know, she is old and Bill’s stents may be wearing out and he is old, too.

    Why is the GOP the party of old white people? I only ask because every Democrat who has any influence or electability is, well, old and white.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  4. if those are the two names on my ballot in November 2016, i will fill in both circles on my ballot, then go home and mourn the death of America as a free country.

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  5. At least Hillary doesn’t have to worry about the impact on her family.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  6. if those are the two names on my ballot in November 2016, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for the Rpe3ublican and thank God that it wasn’t a worse choice (e.g. Cristie, Huckabee, Santorum …)

    That does not mean I’ll be happy about it. But I’ll be blaming some people who stayed home if Hillary wins, especially after they whine again about how bad stuff is while making the lame-ass claim that “it didn’t matter who won.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  7. If those are the two names on my ballot in November 2016, I’ll be commenting from a pierside bar near my live-aboard sailboat in my new home of Belize.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  8. If a conservative does not win the presidency in 2016, 86 AMERICA.

    mg (31009b)

  9. Hillary looks a million -every year of it.

    mg (31009b)

  10. Jeb isn’t running. That’s why he’s tweaking people about not pandering. If he were running he wouldn’t pander to anyone, but he wouldn’t call them out.

    The funny part is that some people find it objectionable that a candidate wouldn’t pander to them, and then follow blindly the ones who do pander. And as Buckley observed, they not only don’t believe they’ve been indoctrinated, they fervently argue they came to their beliefs on their own.

    The question is can Walker or Jindal or someone else build a following fast enough to keep Romney out of the race? Christie is one of those guys who we can applaud in his best moments without trusting him beyond where we could throw him, and the boy still ain’t exactly skinny.

    Estragon (ada867)

  11. jebby has diarrhea of the mouth and his ideas are progressively constipated.

    mg (31009b)

  12. That does not mean I’ll be happy about it. But I’ll be blaming some people who stayed home if Hillary wins, especially after they whine again about how bad stuff is while making the lame-ass claim that “it didn’t matter who won.”

    i live in #Failifornia, so my vote for President hasn’t mattered since Reagan was on the ballot.

    i can afford to not hold my nose.

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  13. The big money on the right can shove it deep. They will not let a conservative win.
    Pier side might get crowded, Steve57.

    mg (31009b)

  14. redc1c4-
    Same here in Massachusetts.
    One thing about not casting a ballot for a rino. People have morales and values about how they live, voting for a dope because he is a republican dope is prolonging the life of b.s. A no vote or voting for a democrat may just send a message to the progressive republicans. Who needs progressive republicans – moronic turds.

    mg (31009b)

  15. Oh my! Re-reruns now in the political circus?

    cedarhill (da046d)

  16. Jebbie versus Hill. Meh.

    DNF (afe862)

  17. 9. LOL.

    DNF (afe862)

  18. How low down broke ass do you have to be to write and sing a song
    for a low life politician who’s never achieved anything in her
    sad life except be the spouse of Bill Clinton Serial Rapist?

    I can’t decide which is more pathetic.

    jakee308 (f0aa61)

  19. chubby bush trash versus saggy old lady boobies

    america is a joke

    happyfeet (831175)

  20. America may be the joke, but Jeb and Hillary are the punch line.

    jakee308 (f0aa61)

  21. Ear Leader is sending prisoners from Guantanamo Bay to Uruguay to be ‘resettled’ as refugees.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Icy (25676f)

  22. Neither understands national solutions to state and local problems is the problem.

    crazy (cde091)

  23. I’ll go out on a limb here and “respect and empathize with the enemy’s perspective”, in this case, Hillary. Okay, that’s done. R-r-r-r-a-a-a-l-l-op-p-p-p-h-h-h-h!!!!!!!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. If Walker runs, everyone else should drop out. Allowing him to get his message out, and rake in cash.

    mg (31009b)

  25. Patrick, I tried-I really did -to listen to the whole song. Haven’t felt so queasy since i had my first rectal exam

    corwin (84f5c2)

  26. corwin, and I bet you miss those crazy high school locker room days, huh? Teehee.

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)

  27. mg, at this point Walker is my guy. He’s a governor, which is good because on-the-job executive training isn’t something we can afford. He also has the stones to chop away at the Deep State. Give him a GOP Congress, a couple more GOP nominees on the Court and things might, maybe, turn around.

    I despise Huckabee and Santorum, and don’t much care for Christie. Bush hasn’t pissed me off yet, although I don’t fancy a third Bush very much.

    Just the same, though, I’d prefer any of them to Hillary. I hope the GOP primary voters don’t stick me with that choice, though.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  28. I don’t think Jeb Bush is a deep thinker, and that’s bad.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  29. Name the last President who was a deep thinker. Nixon?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. Walker was interviewed this morning. He comes off as very level-headed and steadfast. He’s also proven himself able to successfully fight back against any number of smears and flat-out lies. His conservatism is never in question and his consistency has been admirable. What’s not to like?

    Hillary wants us to be sympathetic to our enemies. She and *Dr.* Friedman must have been chatting. ISIS: just another disenfranchised group who have suffered at the hands of Western imperialists. They need our love.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  31. The best thing that both parties could do would be to book Hillary and Jeb on a two-year around-the-world cruise to nowhere, and let us get on with our lives.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  32. I don’t think Jeb Bush is a deep thinker, and that’s bad.

    Sammy, in your way of filtering people, situations and information, I don’t know if you actually mean he isn’t liberal enough for your tastes. After all, you have said in the past that Obama isn’t intrinsically a liberal and that Pat Buchanan loves blood and violence.

    For tactical and ideological reasons, I agree with Jeb’s mother, who proclaimed not too long ago that America has seen enough Bushes running for political office—although I don’t know if her sentiment applies to one of her grandsons.

    Mark (c160ec)

  33. Name the last President who was a deep thinker. Nixon?

    Deep thinker means what? Nixon was knowledgeable, but Nixon during his public career was mostly about Nixon. Eisenhower was highly knowledgeable, but a man whose perspective was dispositional. Truman was a bibliophile. Wilson and Hoover did some serious thinking about the contours of public agency. Reagan was less intelligent that Wilson or Hoover, but had a principled and considered take on how the state and society should interact, likely more than anyone who has stood for the office in eight decades.

    If you are speaking of religious or philosophical matters, the young Nixon, perhaps, or Jimmy Carter.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  34. you have said in the past that Obama isn’t intrinsically a liberal and that Pat Buchanan loves blood and violence.

    The young Buchanan liked to mix it up and all the Buchanan brothers were encouraged by their father to practice their fighting technique with punching bags and actual people. However, 1955 was a good while ago and there likely is not one military action undertaken by the U.S. Government since the end of the Contra War in Nicaragua which Buchanan has endorsed.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  35. America may be the joke, but Jeb and Hillary are the punch line.

    And we the voters who have been falling for the siren song of squish-squish (or the belief that anything a bit non-liberal makes one a big, backwards, archaic, heartless fuddy-duddy) are the setup to that punchline.

    The recent election in November must be placed against the background of opinion polls that show far too many Americans describe their support of Republicans as more due to their disdain of Democrats than enthusiasm for conservatism. After all, symptoms of the disease of creeping Euro-sclerosis can be seen throughout the Western World, and we in the US aren’t immune to that.

    Mark (c160ec)

  36. Reagan was less intelligent that Wilson or Hoover,

    Not sure why you say that when Wilson was both a foolish liberal and, at the same time, a supporter of Jim Crow laws, and Herbert Hoover idiotically believed that raising taxes sky high (or starting the legacy of FDR) was the way to deal with the great stock market crash of 1929 and ensuing Great Depression.

    Mark (c160ec)

  37. I’m not sure why they are being equated. Jeb Bush has spent most of his work life in real estate and banking and only about 10 years in political positions. As far as I am aware, no one has suggested he’s given to ethical lapses or that his tenure as Governor of Florida was misbegotten. His domestic life is unremarkable bar for one child’s drug abuse.

    Over the same period of time (1973- ), Hildebeeste undertook 15 years worth of shifty law practice (and was fired for ethical lapses from one position when the ink was hardly dry on her bar admission) but has otherwise been in and around politics. See Diplomad 2.0 on Hildebeeste’s foray into public administration. Everyone knows she’s imperious and unscrupulous, she has not lived with her husband full-time year round in 13 years, and her chief of staff has the world’s strangest marriage.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  38. Not sure why you say that when Wilson was both a foolish liberal and, at the same time, a supporter of Jim Crow laws, and Herbert Hoover idiotically believed that raising taxes sky high (or starting the legacy of FDR) was the way to deal with the great stock market crash of 1929 and ensuing Great Depression.

    Because there is a difference between intelligence, concern for the welfare of blacks, and flawless judgment on policy questions. I see nothing that tells me that Ronald Reagan had the chops to teach at a research university or to prosper as a mining engineer (much less to build and maintain a business in the manner of Hoover). Wilson’s foolishness was his investment in collective schemes, something intelligent people may be more prone to than ordinary people.

    As for Hoover, he requested Congress increase taxes in 1932 in response to what were then abnormal peace-time budget deficits; balanced budgets were the orthodoxy at that time, not Keynesian aggregate demand maintenance. The catastrophic fall in production levels that took place between the summer of 1929 and the spring of 1933 was nearly over by the time these taxes when into effect. At the time, the ratio of federal spending to domestic product was about 0.054, so this tax increase (while injurious) was a small component of the forces doing damage to the American economy at the time. Federal tax receipts varied between 2.6% and 4.5% of domestic product during Hoover’s time in office and between 4.5% and 8% during Roosevelt’s first seven years in office (when the economy was growing rapidly, bar for an 18 month period in 1937 and 1938). Where you really saw rapid escalation in tax collections was during the re-armament that began in the fall of 1940.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  39. ‘collective security schemes’ (i.e. the League of Nations).

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  40. Art Deco,

    I don’t think they’re being equated per se, because as you note, they both have lived in very different circumstances as well as their personal and professional lives being rather opposite. However, they are of note as they are both being pushed forward by powerfully rich members of both parties as the go-tos and both have so far declined to announce. Also, as both are clearly interested in running (judging by their recent number of public appearances discussing whether or not they’ll run), if they do announce, it will be interesting to see where the rest of the Republicans fall, and who the money will be behind. If it’s Mitt and Jeb, then conservatives will have to sigh once again, plug their noses and choose between them. Or sit out in protest vote.

    Also, if Hillary runs, it will be amusing to the handicap that Bill will be to her in general.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  41. Mr Deco: It depends on what you mean by “intelligence.”

    Nixon was a masterful foreign policy thinker. His outline for the Cold War is essentially how it was won, although Reagan sped up the process. He had other issues, particularly a neurotic desire to be liked, and a ruthless streak shared by other presidents (LBJ, Clinton, Obama, FDR, etc).

    Reagan was far more intuitive than thoughtful. He seems to have been more right-brain than left, not uncommon with actors. But his instincts were spot on and he didn’t much care for people telling him what couldn’t be done.

    Wilson was so bright he couldn’t see the forest or the trees. Instead he saw the pink sky that his brain showed him. President Finkelstein. That Wilson was a racist was just his upbringing and the times. It wasn’t something he thought up by himself.

    But the point is that being a “deep thinker” isn’t important for a President (and may be a hindrance), what is REALLY necessary is often making good,quick choices and being a good judge of people. After that, you want good policy choices.

    Bill Clinton was an exceptional executive without being a deep thinker. Too bad he was on the other side. Barack Obama cannot make a decision, doesn’t really LIKE people, but wants to think everything through, even long-decided matters. He’d be terrible no matter what his policy choices were.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  42. Due to the work Jeb Bush did as governor with keeping spending down via vetoes and reducing tax rates , I don’t think Conservatives would have much trouble picking him over Mr Romney if it came down to that.
    Bush vs NoVote? that i am not willing to take a wager on.

    seeRpea (9676d4)

  43. Dana, I have no problem picking between Mitt and Jeb. Mitt by a mile, which is pretty much Jeb’s problem. All his core backers would rather have Mitt. I’d still rather have Walker, but I would not be upset at all with Mitt, especially a Mitt who was less carefully handled than the last one. A Mitt who would have chased Candy Crowley off the stage, for example.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  44. That Brokeback Mountain video puts Hillary in the catbird seat, no doubt about it. She’s lived and learned and she’ll be there – wrinkle cream, curlers and all – to take that critical 3AM call.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. Bill Clinton was an exceptional executive without being a deep thinker.

    I think Robert Reich might have a demurral on that point. So might Gary Aldrich.

    Bilge Clinton inherited the most agreeable matrix of any newly inaugurated President since 1924 and did not squander that advantage.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  46. Nixon was a masterful foreign policy thinker. His outline for the Cold War is essentially how it was won, although Reagan sped up the process.

    Uh, no. Richard Nixon subscribed to Henry Kissinger’s Realism and both (along with Melvin Laird) were working to optimize in the face of severe constraints. Completely different from Mr. Reagan’s approach.

    He had other issues, particularly a neurotic desire to be liked, and a ruthless streak shared by other presidents

    No, Nixon was sensitive to challenges, embarrassments, and slights. The Scanlan’s Monthly mess John Dean details in his memoir, the enemies list, and his dislike of the (occasionally impatient and caustic) Spiro Agnew were manifestations of that. He was not an extrovert and had a very short list of friends (though tight with the few men on that list).

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  47. We aren’t really going to have a Bush/Clinton choice in 2016?

    Bugg (f0dbc7)

  48. Hillary isn’t going to run. She’s just riding the gravy train while she can.

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)

  49. well Kissinger’s realism is arguably overrated, what did he accomplish with Brezhnev in that period,
    when they continued to supply the North Vietnamese, just another fairly useless arms control treaty, to my recollection, there is a little more to the China deal although I would say their sponsorship of the Khmer Rouge, somewhat negates this,

    Getting back to Jeb, there are trifles regarding some of Jeb’s business affairs, but the same was true of Romney how did that turn out again,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  50. Mark (c160ec) — 12/7/2014 @ 10:30 am

    Sammy, in your way of filtering people, situations and information, I don’t know if you actually mean he isn’t liberal enough for your tastes.

    He’s stumbling around on the question of immigration and probably other things too. He says “first round draft” choices should be given priority. Which is fine, except that he seems to mean family reunification should be reduced. like there’s some number that should not be gone above. That’s the politics of immigration but that’s not the economic logic of it. You have to burst through the quota, or nothing will happen.

    After all, you have said in the past that Obama isn’t intrinsically a liberal and that Pat Buchanan loves blood and violence.

    Both are true. Obama is a cynic, and to some extent, a person who goes along with the conventional wisdom, not a liberal.

    Do you know that Obama just endorsed racial profiling?

    For tactical and ideological reasons, I agree with Jeb’s mother, who proclaimed not too long ago that America has seen enough Bushes running for political office—although I don’t know if her sentiment applies to one of her grandsons.

    There are too few people who are able to make a serious run for president, but Jeb Bush is one of the 400, if there are that many.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  51. Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/7/2014 @ 10:19 am

    Name the last President who was a deep thinker. Nixon?

    Lincoln.

    The problem is that there are certain issues that need thinking about, and we will just go around in circles until they are thought through.

    I think Reagan was somewhat of a thinker. John F. Kennedy also, but a lot of his thinking was stupid. He worried too much. Truman had opinions.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  52. Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/7/2014 @ 11:41 am

    Nixon was a masterful foreign policy thinker.

    Actually, he was all wrong.

    There was nothing much to think about. He borrowed most of his new thinking from Kissinger.

    His outline for the Cold War is essentially how it was won,

    You mean the opening to China? Meaningless. China was not going to re-ally itself with the Soviet Union. (although now maybe it is semi-allying itself with Russia – because they both have in interest in people not having human rights) The opening did have some effect on liberalizing China some years later, although that could have been done with fewer concessions.

    although Reagan sped up the process. He had other issues, particularly a neurotic desire to be liked, and a ruthless streak shared by other presidents (LBJ, Clinton, Obama, FDR, etc).

    Nixon had an obsession with “public relations” and he couldn’t be honest.

    Reagan was far more intuitive than thoughtful. He seems to have been more right-brain than left, not uncommon with actors. But his instincts were spot on and he didn’t much care for people telling him what couldn’t be done.

    Reagan was pretty good on any subject that had been extensively discussed. When someone is not wrong on that, people think hes very good, because it is rare to see someone not being wrong. He was not very good at all on subjects that had not been discussed. He trusted people too much. He ws snot good at supervision. Bad news didn’t make its way to him.

    Wilson was so bright he couldn’t see the forest or the trees. Instead he saw the pink sky that his brain showed him.

    Wilson was the epitome of a pointy headed intellectual. Classic ivory tower. And of course there was his racism which of course was his upbringing and the times, not wasn’t something he thought up by himself, bit not universal. Theodore Roosevelt was much better on this. But then, he was a Republican, and the republican Party had a tradition,, and all blacks voted for it.

    But the point is that being a “deep thinker” isn’t important for a President (and may be a hindrance), what is REALLY necessary is often making good,quick choices and being a good judge of people. After that, you want good policy choices.

    About the choices Jeb Bush would make I am not so worried about – less worried than with many others. But some issues are a tangle.

    Bill Clinton was an exceptional executive without being a deep thinker. Too bad he was on the other side.

    Bill Clinton was, and is, an exceptionally good thinker. But he wasn’t interested in doing a good job. Just in self-aggrandizement. He knew what everybody thought, and he knew how to lie. When he thought he had a way to improve the economy, (increasing the money supply) what he would do is have Congress pass a bad law by 1-vote margins in both Houses of Congress, and try to attribute the success to his law. That was the intention. He tried to make the Republicans look partisan. People saw through it and thought it was the Democrats who were partisan. Maybe he wasn’t really so smart after all.

    Barack Obama cannot make a decision, doesn’t really LIKE people, but wants to think everything through, even long-decided matters. He’d be terrible no matter what his policy choices were.

    That is true he does want to think things through. The problem is, he can’t. And when he’s not doing that, he goes with the experts or with his political base. Carter also relied on experts.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  53. Tell Jeb and Hill that they can bloody well take their time. There is no way I’ll be voting for either of them until the temperature in Hell drops below the freezing point.

    WarEagle82 (b18ccf)

  54. 28 – Kevin M
    I was just in Madison Wisconsin a few weeks ago, and was amazed at the number of signs for Walker.
    He seems genuine in his beliefs, although the Jebby republicans haven’t threatened him yet.
    I would push buttons for Walker.

    mg (31009b)

  55. 46. Bilge Clinton inherited the most agreeable matrix of any newly inaugurated President since 1924 and did not squander that advantage.

    Art Deco (ee8de5) — 12/7/2014 @ 11:55 am

    Hillary!care?

    He tried to squander his advantage when he first came out the gate, just like Prom Queen. He was stopped. And having been stopped hard, unlike our current King Putt, Billy Jeff was enough of a practical politician not to spend the remainder of his presidency trying very hard to ruin everything.

    Steve57 (938124)

  56. @53 “…snot good at supervision.”

    A new measure of goodness!

    navyvet (edabdc)

  57. Art Deco (ee8de5) — 12/7/2014 @ 10:35 am

    there likely is not one military action undertaken by the U.S. Government since the end of the Contra War in Nicaragua which Buchanan has endorsed.

    I said he likes blood and violence. Not U.S. violence.

    All U.S. interventions are designed to limit suffering and war – therefore, of course Buchanan is against it.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  58. 51. Obama is so “liberal” he endorsed racial profiling.

    ..when it comes to border control.

    But not in national security cases.

    Illegitimate profiling is also now being expanded to include religion, national origin, gender, gender identity and sexual orientation.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  59. Main New York Times front page headline Saturday, December 6, 2014:

    U.S. TO CONTINUE
    RACIAL PROFILING
    IN BORDER POLICY
    ————–
    CURTAILING OTHER USES
    ———–
    Rules to Give Leeway to
    Immigration Agents,
    Officials Say

    The rules also eliminate the broad exemption for taking into account those factors in cases involving national security, but F.B.I. agents will still be allowed to map neighborhoods and use that data to recruit informants from specific ethnic groups.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  60. no, Buchanan’s support for US intervention was premised on anticommunism, except for a brief period endorsing action supporting Catholic Croatia, he’s been mostly against, maybe the first years in Afghanistan.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  61. Don’t forget, she’s a rape-enabler too!

    Dan (00fc90)

  62. 61. narciso (ee1f88) — 12/7/2014 @ 6:03 pm

    no, Buchanan’s support for US intervention was premised on anticommunism,

    I think what he liked were teh death squads.

    except for a brief period endorsing action supporting Catholic Croatia,

    Not Catholic Croatia, but Holocaust participating Croatia. They mostly killed serbs during World War II.

    he’s been mostly against, maybe the first years in Afghanistan.

    It wasn’t evil, so he wasn’t for it.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  63. The greatest benefit to Jeb Bush being elected President is that it would make the liberals’ heads absolutely explode! :) ‘Twould be such a joy to watch.

    But he’ll never win.

    The Republican Dana (f6a568)

  64. But he’ll never win.

    Against whom? A political party in our system faces a headwind in winning three turns at the presidency and the parties are 1 for 6 on their recent attempts. The juxtaposition of economic events, military events, and elections in our own time is quite dissimilar to what it was in the post-bellum period, or in 1928, or in 1988. Also, the only time a political party has ever won three presidential elections in sequence the teeth of losing the legislative branch was in 1988. I’d wager just about anyone presentable will do in 2016. Jeb Bush, though flawed, is presentable.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  65. the bush family needs to get a life

    pitiful johnny one-note whores they are

    happyfeet (831175)

  66. 65. Art Deco (ee8de5) — 12/8/2014 @ 9:05 am

    I’d wager just about anyone presentable will do in 2016. Jeb Bush, though flawed, is presentable.

    But most of the Republican candidates for president, I think, are not, and that includes Mitt Romney.

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  67. It’s only a little bit of a longshot considering past history.

    My prediction is this: Hillary commits and begins her run for President, doesn’t make it to the finish because of health issues. She either dies in the traces or crashes out for extended hospitalization.

    luagha (e5bf64)

  68. The longer Hillary stays in the public eye the better I understand Vince Foster’s suicide.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  69. The longer Hillary stays in the public eye the better I understand Vince Foster’s suicide.

    OOoookay….

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  70. December 7 is a day that will live in empathy.

    Hillary Clinton

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  71. if a stagnant and corrupt republican party what can’t scrape boehnerfilth or mcconnellturd off its shoe nominates stale bushtrash or re-nominates weirdo mitt romney

    then hillary deserves to have her historic old lady boobies propped up on the desk in the oval office

    it’s simple as that

    happyfeet (831175)

  72. daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/8/2014 @ 2:41 pm

    The longer Hillary stays in the public eye the better I understand Vince Foster’s suicide.

    He didn’t commit suicide, although I thought so too for about two years.

    He was probably shot by the Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States, or one of his guards, after attempting to blackmail him for money to pay for lawyers. But he had forgotten about diplomatic immunity. After which Prince Bandar rushed over to the White House for a secret unscheduled meeting with President Clinton and Sandy Burglar in which he explained this away. (an article by Fred Barnes on page 10 of the March 14, 1994 New Republic, leaked at about the same time as known Foster case leaks, is all about explaining the reason for such a meeting “last July”. I was not able to confirm this meeting, using the FOIA, but I highly suspect that the time of that meeting was mid-afternoon July 20, 1993 and taht alleged purpose of that meeting wa snot at all the reason for that meeting)

    And the reason Vincent Foster was thrown into a panic was the e-mail I sent to the president@whitehouse.gov in which I started out about Crown Heights (Gov Cuomo was keeping the Girgente Report under wraps and they were very concerned about what was in it – Al Sharpton was involved with that by the way, and he later showed up at Justice Department on Wednesday, July 21, 1993, asking for an investigation of the car accident, and was invited in, while Jewish demonstrators asking for a civil right investigation of the killing of Yankel Rosenbaum,were not. The prosecution of the chief murderer, Yankel Rosenbaum had been botched or worse than botched by Kings County DA Charles Hynes)

    And I said the FBI Director should not be fired, and mentioned that reporters knew more than what they wrote, and if he was fired reporters would be released from their pledges of confidentiality and he would free to tell what he knows about Waco, particularly how he was kept from the scene and how his water cannon plan was rejected in favor of tear gas, and he should read that day’s (July 19, 1993) Wall Street Journal editorial. The e-mail was routed through a server in Rochester and wold ahve arrived and been printed out the next day.

    But it arrived after the announcement was made, and William Sessions had announced he was going to call a press conference on Thursday..

    Sammy Finkelman (7e7e58)

  73. Mr rocks wrote:

    December 7 is a day that will live in empathy.

    Hillary Clinton

    daleyrocks wins the internets!

    The Dana extending congratulations (f6a568)

  74. I already said that there was not going to be an executive order weeks ago. DHS and DOJ will simply exercise the discretion they already have under the immigration statutes. And they will fund it with the omnibus spending bill, a/k/a big-ass no-limit credit card, they are about to pass. Sheesh, this is not rocket science, it’s Shakespearian dramatic irony. There’s things the audience knows, there’s things some but not all the characters know, and there’s things only the writer knows. It’s all a big show! GOP big-money donors want wetbacks and they’re going to get them.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. 78. It’s funded by user fees. A bill could be used to defund it, but doing nothing lets it continue.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  76. 73. Photo of the start of New Republic article by Fred Barnes entitled “Saudi Doody” that began on page 10 March 14, 1994 New Republic whose purpose seems to have been to explain away a secret unschduled meeting between Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States Prince Bandar bin Sultan and President Clinton and Sandy Burglar that took place the previous July – I suspect during the hours Vincent Foster was missing, that was leaked at around the same time as other known Foster case leaks.

    I never was able to confirm this meeting using the Freedomof Information Act (FOIA) or get its exact date and time. But I think it must have been retrievable, or even retrieved. Otherwise there might not have been amorive for inserting this almost certain lie into the historical record. (the Boeing airplane issue had already been settled)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)


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