A Three Day Cease-Fire Begins And Hillary Clinton Shares Her Insights
[guest post by Dana]
In a joint statement, the U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced that a cease-fire is set to begin Friday at 8:00 am in Gaza. It is set to last for 72 hours.
And while CNN wonders if the peace will last, the U.N. is talking about war crimes:
The bloodshed prompted the United Nations’ top human rights official to warn that war crimes may have been committed, accusing Israel of “deliberate defiance of obligations (to) international law.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay referred to the shelling of homes, schools, hospitals and U.N. “premises,” while insisting, “We cannot allow this impunity, we cannot allow this lack of accountability to go on.”
“None of this appears, to me, to be accidental,” Pillay said.
Obvioulsy, Pillay listened to Hillary Clinton’s enlightening analysis wherein she explained that if Gaza weren’t so darn small, Hamas wouldn’t have to hide rockets in hospitals and schools and other civilian areas. Yep. And did you know that it was Hamas that had its back against the wall, not Israel? Oh, the things you can learn.
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: I am just happy to hear that the concerns of the FAA and others were “alloyed.”
she doesn’t add value, this clinton hoochie
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/31/2014 @ 7:12 pmwould it surprise anyone to learn that Navi Pillay is grade-A certified harvard trash?
that’s probably where she learned to hate jews
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/31/2014 @ 7:18 pmIt’s just terrible that Hamas did not have the time to fire off more of its rockets into Israel and had so many left over they were forced to store in hospitals, UN schools, mosques and other normally civilian targets and prevented non-combatants from leaving those areas in spite of Israeli warnings. Plus the death toll from misfired Hamas rockets is not counted separately in the totals and is significant.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/31/2014 @ 7:35 pmI don’t think she has any intention of running. She’s just milking it for speaking fees. Who gets more? Potential President Cankles, or failed Sec of State?
Gazzer (e04ef7) — 7/31/2014 @ 7:40 pmShe’s got that clotty brain thing.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/31/2014 @ 7:43 pmRemind me: how many divisions does the UN have?
mojo (00b01f) — 7/31/2014 @ 8:45 pmOh, Yoko!
AZ Bob (34bb80) — 7/31/2014 @ 9:01 pmIf she were a Republican running for President, the first question at the first debate is: do you really think Hamas fires rockets among civilian population concentrations because of lack of space? As it is, she doesn’t even have to prepare a response as the question will never get asked.
East Bay Jay (a5dac7) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:00 pmcease-fires with Hamas are gayer than when Putin was a guest judge on Drag Race
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:03 pmThe claim that Gaza is density populated is a lie. A simple google satellite search shows Gaza has many cultivated fields and open spaces. I only Hillary knew how to use the internet.
Perfectsense (4d5c72) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:16 pmHamas is just another mostly peaceful benevolent social terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel that needs a lot of rockets to achieve its goals and tunnels under the Israeli border to massacre and kidnap Israeli civilians.
What could go wrong?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:17 pmHamas and the United Nations are synonyms
that means they’re words that sound different but mean the same thing
like “barack obama” and “food stamp”
or “climate change” and “marxist redistribution scheme”
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:19 pmU.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay referred to the shelling of homes, schools, hospitals and U.N. “premises,”…
This useless idiot needs to be told to shut the f— up.
Blacque Jacques Shellacque (43cb76) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:21 pmwe pay a good fifth of that demented harvard trash hoochie’s salary, your taxes and mine do
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:28 pmHere’s my question – why aren’t the Israelis involved in announcing a ceasefire? I wonder if they are even on board.
OmegaPaladin (f4a293) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:39 pmOmegaPaladin,
According to JPost:
Dana (4dbf62) — 7/31/2014 @ 10:46 pmIsrael responds to multiple war crimes committed by Hamas. The UN convicts Israel of war crimes in response.
What else is new?
The Arabs can kidnap a schoolbus full of Israeli children, and execute the by shooting them in the face. No a peep. But if the Jooos over react, whoo boy! Look out.
Apparently obligations to international law only apply when Navi Pillay can tweak them so the Jooos lose.
Steve57 (0ff9ec) — 7/31/2014 @ 11:40 pmWhat’s the over-under on how long before Hamas violates the cease fire?
Steven Den Beste (99cfa1) — 8/1/2014 @ 2:26 am18. Guess 90 minutes was the ticket.
All is well:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-31/russia-and-india-begin-negotations-use-national-currencies-settlements-bypassing-dol
gary gulrud (46ca75) — 8/1/2014 @ 4:43 amWhat’s the over-under on how long before Hamas violates the cease fire?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/casualties-reported-gaza-amid-israel-hamas-cease-fire/story?id=24802022
Remind me: how many divisions does the UN have?
91,000 troops in uniform; 111,500 total. That would be around twenty brigades — divisions have been obsoleted.
nk (dbc370) — 8/1/2014 @ 5:48 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-hamas-agree-to-72-hour-humanitarian-cease-fire/2014/08/01/059f1ff8-194e-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html?wpisrc=al_national
Why are we dealing with Hamas? I guess the better question would be, why are we dealing with the UN?
Steve57 (0ff9ec) — 8/1/2014 @ 6:22 amhttp://www.israellycool.com/2014/08/01/finnish-reporter-admits-rockets-fired-from-shifa-hospital/
Seriously, can someone ‘splain this to me?
Steve57 (0ff9ec) — 8/1/2014 @ 6:28 amWell that took long. 3 hours into 72 for the Cease-fire to fall apart.
DejectedHead (936516) — 8/1/2014 @ 6:53 amSteve57 (0ff9ec) — 8/1/2014 @ 6:28 am
Seriously, can someone ‘splain this to me?
The Shifa hospital is absolutely the safest place for Hamas to fire a rocket from.
Why all this is going on in the first place I’m not sure but Hamas is probably being paid to keep this thing going. Qatar is sending the money, but it may only be laundering it.
The only way this kind of makes sense is that Hamas is trying to attrit away the anti-missiles Israel uses in Iron Dome. They are waiting for some signs that Israel is trying to conserve anti-missiles.
Then maybe Hezbollah and Syria will get involved, but they first have to make peace with the caliphate.
Sammy Finkelman (f5dc11) — 8/1/2014 @ 6:54 amHamas broke the ceasefire, using it to launch an attack (starting with a suicide bomber) on some Israel soldiers destroying a tunnel and succeeded in capturing one soldier alive.
This happened at about 9:30 am local time (2:30 am EDT) two hours after the “cease-fire” went into effect. Hamas is claiming the attack happened before.
The question is, did anybody, and if so, why did anybody believe in this ceasefire in the first place??
Did anybody in the IDF lower their guard, instead of raising their guard, when the ceasefire went into effect?
Did anybody do, or not do, something in regard to destroying the tunnel, that they otherwise would not have done in the same way, because there was supposed to be a ceasefire?
If so, why wasn’t it communicated to the Israeli army that the ceasefire should not at all be relied on?
Why didn’t anybody try to figure out what tactical advantage Hamas hoped to gain from the cease-fire? There is no other reason, at the present time, to expect Hamas to agree to a cease-fire except to gain some kind of tactical advantage – that should be a given. In one previous ceasefire, they apparently used the lull to execute about 25 people.
Sammy Finkelman (f5dc11) — 8/1/2014 @ 6:59 amHillary Clinton says not what she thinks is true, but what she thinks sounds plausible to other people, and gets the most agreement from the most people.
It sounds plausible to say: well, naturally, Hamas puts rockets in built up areas – there are no other places in Gaza.
The problems with that are that it is actually not true – there are farms in Gaza and that that does not excuse it under the laws of war, and the rockets themselves are an out-and-out war crime.
Sammy Finkelman (f5dc11) — 8/1/2014 @ 7:01 amwhat difference would it make, if Gaza were smaller? Another example of an ineffectual, worthless U.N. and another example of why the responsibility for foreign policy must be given to clear-thinking adults. Hillary “Re-set” Clinton is not counted among the last group.
Colonel Haiku (ffa369) — 8/1/2014 @ 7:10 amThis should probably be the first order of business. Figuring out why it’s happening in the first place.
Workplace violence and all.
It’s a freaking mystery.
Steve57 (0ff9ec) — 8/1/2014 @ 7:11 am25. Sorry. Hamas claimed that the attack took place at 7:30 but the ceasefire began at 8:00 so it is 90 minutes.
They cut it so close so they could try to claim the attack came before the ceasefire started.
Sammy Finkelman (f5dc11) — 8/1/2014 @ 7:13 amthe word is hudna, not truce or ceasefire, and like with before the battle of Hudaifa
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/1/2014 @ 7:17 amHillary Clinton’s enlightening analysis wherein she explained that if Gaza weren’t so darn small, Hamas wouldn’t have to hide rockets in hospitals and schools and other civilian areas.
People like her will often also say that a felon in a garden-variety crime didn’t get enough love from his mother, or didn’t have enough support from the government when growing up, or attended schools that weren’t well funded, or was the victim of racism, or lived in a sub-standard apartment that the Department of Housing and Urban Development failed to fix up, or whatever.
The biases of left-leaning emotions are truly ass backwards, time and time again.
Mark (2604a9) — 8/1/2014 @ 7:24 amYeah it really a time out, to regroup.
Just so you know, I’m familiar with Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim
Steve57 (0ff9ec) — 8/1/2014 @ 7:38 amCol. Ralph Peters pointed out, that Gaza is four times the size of Manhattan.
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/1/2014 @ 8:15 amIsraeli soldier feared captured as violence erupts in Gaza (Associated Press article in Boston Globe)
Sammy Finkelman (f5dc11) — 8/1/2014 @ 8:46 amMore from this Pillay pillock. She thinks the USA and Israel have some sort of obligation to provide Hamas with the Iron Dome.
Meanwhile, the truth about that alleged “massacre” at the market.
Here’s why mosques are legitimate targets.
And here’s what it’s really all about. Why are we so intransigent? Don’t we need to compromise? Learn to give and take?
Milhouse (9d71c3) — 8/1/2014 @ 9:32 amSince Hillary suffers from chronic cranial rectal insertion her “insights” usually come from a small warm dark place.
Skeptical Voter (12e67d) — 8/1/2014 @ 10:07 amHamas follows its past behavior pattern by breaking ceasefire and invites Israel further into Gaza for a longer stay.
Left blames Israel in …5..4..3..2..1
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/1/2014 @ 10:13 amhttp://www.gopusa.com/news/2014/07/31/clintons-speaking-fees-may-have-been-foreign-bribes-to-the-administration/
Judy Eaton (213f13) — 8/1/2014 @ 12:41 pm35. Let me add these links:
Spanish journalist – off the record – says Hamas would kill Gaza reporters if they filmed rocket fire
The point is, you never see any kind of military activity by Hamas. Now of course everybody knows this goes on, at least long range, but it still maybe makes a difference.
They actually did see Hamas people there launching rockets, close to their hotel, but they had the feeling that if they “ever we dared pointing our camera on them they would simply shoot at us and kill us.”
Italian Reporter Reveals Hamas Cover-Up Over Misfired Rockets
In addition, this Arutz Sheva report says two Wall Street Journal reporters deleted tweets.
Nick Casey tweeted the fact that Hamas’s leadership’s uses Shifa Hospital in Gaza as a
command center (which all reporters know as a fact because that’s where they interview them and there is all kinds of evidence this is the headquarters – the Hamas leadership is in a bunker in the basement. A Hamas-affiliated twitter account blacklisted him as a journalist “who lies for Israel” – which Arutz sheva says is a potentially deadly accusation for anyone in Gaza – and
shortly afterwards, the tweet was removed by Casey. Now reporters do note, in passing, in their articles that Hamas is working out of the hospital, but this was too prominent a mention and was critical.
Tamer El-Ghobash, also working for the Wall Street Journal, tweeted evidence that the
hospital had been damaged by a Hamas rocket misfire (not anything fired by Israel) This too, was deleted.
Hamas rockets don’t distinguish between Arab and Jew
That blog has had a couple about Hamas’s magical Mujahadeen munitions.
Sammy Finkelman (5818f3) — 8/1/2014 @ 1:34 pmthis might fit either in this or the CIA thread;
http://minx.cc:1080/?post=350890
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/1/2014 @ 1:59 pm20. A division I think was supposed to be 10,000 men. So what is it now? Is the size of an army measured in “brigades” of 5,000?
Sammy Finkelman (5818f3) — 8/1/2014 @ 4:20 pmI imagine that if Israel talked about driving Hamas into the sea all the talking heads would come unglued. So to speak.
Kevin M (b357ee) — 8/2/2014 @ 2:12 amIf Obama, Hillary and Kerry were Marx Brothers, they’d all be Zeppo.
Kevin M (b357ee) — 8/2/2014 @ 2:14 amAn on another front:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/01/russia-s-military-is-already-in-east-ukraine-will-there-be-a-full-scale-invasion.html
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/2/2014 @ 6:43 amWhat is happening in Gaza seems to be a watershed. The conservative Arab states (e.g. Egypt, Saudi, Jordan) are backing Israel against Hamas. Their enemies are Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, Iran and to some degree, Turkey. Even Saudi Arabia is realizing that they cannot control the jihadis — see Syria for an example of how that went. The Caliphate means their deaths.
What is really fascinating is that they are turning not to the US, their old time friend, but to Israel, who’s the enemy of their enemy and reliably so. And for once, they don’t seem to be shy about it.
Kevin M (b357ee) — 8/2/2014 @ 10:50 am45. You left out the most important ally of the Hamas: Qatar.
If President Obama wants to end this war on good terms he can do very easily:
All he has to do is announce that, unless something changes drastically, effective August 15, 2014, Qatar will be put on the list of countries supporting terrorism.
If he wants to end it even faster, make that August 8.
To avoid that, an agreement in principle has to be reached for Hamasa to get rid of its rockets and some authority to take control of gaza that will prevent the building of tunnels.
Sammy Finkelman (db7fea) — 8/3/2014 @ 7:35 am42. Kevin M (b357ee) — 8/2/2014 @ 2:12 am
I imagine that if Israel talked about driving Hamas into the sea all the talking heads would come unglued. So to speak.
Israel did that to Yasir Arafat’s PLO in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1982. The PLO agreed to leave Beirut. A place was found for them in Tunis. But things were more reasonable then.
Sammy Finkelman (db7fea) — 8/3/2014 @ 8:22 amhttp://thisongoingwar.blogspot.co.il/2014/08/7-aug-14-some-perspective-on-those.html
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 8/7/2014 @ 12:44 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-tId5SzYzQ&feature=youtu.be
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/7/2014 @ 4:24 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/07/world/meast/mideast-crisis/
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 8/7/2014 @ 7:51 pm