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7/14/2014

Illegal Aliens Now Boarding Planes with No ID But Their Notice to Appear in Court

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:21 am

The numbers are staggering. In the Rio Grande sector of Texas, almost 20,000 illegal immigrants were detained in the final two weeks of June. Those numbers tapered off to close to 8000 per week in the beginning of July, but the fact remains: in a one-month period, between 30,000 and 35,000 illegal immigrants were apprehended in that one sector alone.

Now, those people are starting to get shipped all over the country. As has been reported, many receive a notice to appear in immigration court. Best of all: the TSA now accepts those notices to appear as identification for purposes of boarding a plane. As Brandon Darby reported Friday:

Illegal aliens are being allowed to fly on commercial airliners without valid identification, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC). “The aliens who are getting released on their own recognizance are being allowed to board and travel commercial airliners by simply showing their Notice to Appear forms,” NBPC’s Local 2455 Spokesman, Hector Garza, told Breitbart Texas.

“This is not the CBP [Customs and Border Protection] or another federal agency renting or leasing an aircraft, these are the same planes that the American public uses for domestic travel,” said Garza. “This just adds insult to injury. Not only are we releasing unknown illegal aliens onto American streets, but we are allowing them to travel commercially using paperwork that could easily be reproduced or manipulated on any home computer. The Notice to Appear form has no photo, anyone can make one and manipulate one. They do not have any security features, no watermark, nothing. They are simply printed on standard copy paper based on the information the illegal alien says is the truth.”

Spokesman Garza continued, “We do not know who these people are, we often have to solely rely on who they say they are, where they say they came from, and the history they say they have. We know nothing about most of them, ICE releases them into the American public, and now they are boarding aircraft at will with a simple paper document that anyone can easily alter or reproduce themselves.”

If you think terrorists aren’t taking advantage of this chaotic situation, you’re hopelessly naive.

P.S. I saw some Obama shill over the weekend say that this was the result of Republicans’ failure to address immigration reform. She didn’t explain how. Can anyone explain this to me? You don’t have to agree with the argument; just tell me what it is. How is a refusal to grant amnesty to people who crossed the border illegally . . . causing a flood of new illegal immigrants to cross the border? What is it, that without amnesty Democrats won’t give us that awesome border protection that would prevent this from happening, or something? I honestly don’t get it.

34 Responses to “Illegal Aliens Now Boarding Planes with No ID But Their Notice to Appear in Court”

  1. 1) Remember that no Obama shill has ever felt constrained by the truth. And every one of them believes that no crisis should go to waste.

    2) The best defense is a good offense. If you attack the Republicans first, and get the media to cooperate, they are forced to efend themselves rather than attack the president. The attack doesn’t need to make sense, the media doesn’t care.

    3) The Kool Aid drinkers and LIVs actually believe that if you pass the Democratic bill it will solve the immigration problem because Obama has told them so.

    gahrie (a05ed4)

  2. Obviously Republicans are prejudiced against anyone who is not lilly white and over 50 .

    They want to keep the brown and black men trimming yards and picking cotton so use immigration to play them off against each other.

    And if BOOOsh hadn’t caused global warming, the war in the Ukraine, the campus rape epidemic, High gas prices, high interest rates, the collapse of Detroit, Isis to attack Iraq, Bengazi, and the burning between my toes the whole world would be a better place where we would live in carbon footprintless tepees, sing Koombyah, collect our foodstamps, and never ending unemployment checks, voting how OFA tells us.

    If that’s not obvious, you must me some right wing, nazi, Israel loving, uneducated texan with a job.

    MaaddMaaxx (44ae86)

  3. “.. Republicans’ failure to address immigration reform.”

    Just following the lead of the One Trick Pony in the White House.

    Jumping Jack (e54f0f)

  4. “P.S. I saw some Obama shill over the weekend say that this was the result of Republicans’ failure to address immigration reform.”

    Patterico – I don’t understand it but it is SOP. Democrats believe the best way to ensure the cooperation of Republicans on an issue is to have Obama and/or several of his lackeys give yet another speech insulting and crapping all over the people whose cooperation they are seeking. Sort of Community Organizing 101.

    Seriously, is there any issue they have attempted to realistically cooperate with Republicans during Obama’s reign? Maybe the Stimulus Bill, but not very much. Other than that it’s been Obama’s way or the highway.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  5. It seems so long ago that people seeking asylum went to the nearest US embassy.

    Castro dumped a generation of unwanteds in the Mariel boatlift just as the current wave of GuataHonduraCostaMexicans appears to be. With no interior or border enforcement we’ve become a sanctuary nation through executive (in)action.

    crazy (d60cb0)

  6. P.S. I saw some Obama shill over the weekend say that this was the result of Republicans’ failure to address immigration reform

    That absurdity calls up a faint memory I had a long time ago, when my politics were still being formed. I remember having a hazy impression that prevailing wisdom — if not the history books — indicated the US under progressive/liberal Woodrow Wilson was a big mess. Or that staunch liberals tended to run things into the ground. But that was sort of offset by FDR, which I now know was a bunch of BS (referring to his response to economics, since he at least wasn’t a naif about Hitler). I wasn’t too aware of left versus right at the time, but I just had a vague sense that liberalism or tricky liberals were a bad recipe for a nation.

    Barack Obama and his minions now make that recollection a living reality.

    Mark (8cacab)

  7. What do you think anyway is the purpose of asking ID to board planes?

    Whatever it is, it isn’t to stop people like them from boarding planes, or it never was jstified for that reason. That would only be a side-effect.

    So what’s going on here with this complaint?

    Sammy Finkelman (c33275)

  8. Letting People use a court summons as valid ID is not unlike the villain
    who throws a bus full of innocent off the side of a bridge to divert
    the attention of the hero, in order to continue with their dastardly plans..

    felipe (960c75)

  9. and as reported by yours truly on 7/11…

    http://patterico.com/2014/07/11/illegal-immigrant-minors-and-new-talking-points/#comment-1659429

    I hope TSA is giving them the Full Grope like U.S. citizens are subject to.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  10. If you’re expecting logic from an Obama supporter,I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in.

    Edoc118 (c37322)

  11. Sammy is right. You don’t get on a plane in order to show ID. The ID, and which kind, is just a shortcut in the security procedure. If the security requirements are satisfied, ID or no ID is irrelevant.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. I think the Full Grope is racist, Colonel. I got the full TSA magilla one day, while the Muslim woman in jihab behind me was passed immediately.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  13. “Chaos”is an apt term. This has nothing to do with the orderly administration of justice or safe travel and everything to do with mucking things up enough to justify greater control.

    bridget (6863c7)

  14. It’s only a matter of time before something goes wrong, and they’ll be the usual, “it’s too bad something like this had to happen before action was taken”.

    How do you check the No Fly List against someone that has no picture ID—that’s the whole reason for verifying an identity.

    Sammy’s tireless inanity continues apace.

    Hadoop (379e8e)

  15. Obama is dumping these kids without notifying Governors or local authorities so that the state and local welfare systems will be burdened instead of federal money, which he needs for his exciting vacation plans for the next 2 1/2 years.

    Estragon (ada867)

  16. I wonder if any liberals are giving up their seats in first class to honor the illegals for their courage.

    Kevin M (131754)

  17. And why isn’t Warren sending fleets of NetJets to the border to ferry these kids about the country?
    Where’s Barbarino with his private 707?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  18. 14. Hadoop (379e8e) — 7/14/2014 @ 10:27 am

    How do you check the No Fly List against someone that has no picture ID—that’s the whole reason for verifying an identity.

    Sammy’s tireless inanity continues apace.

    The no-fly list (which is pretty stupid anyway) has no dates of birth or pictures on it. People have gotten off it by the simple device of changing their names. The list is secret (so that a terrorist group can’t find out in advance. Even after a person is being turned down it is still secret. This of course has no value unless someone has just been added to the list, or they will hijack a plane on the forst boarding.)

    It’s also pretty clear none of these people belong on it, and although there is no standard
    ID the airlines and everybody know exactly who they are.

    Sammy Finkelman (c33275)

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    ???? (e2664c)

  20. The no-fly list (which is pretty stupid anyway) has no dates of birth or pictures on it.

    The point of a picture ID is so that the person looking at it knows that the person in front of them is whom they claim to be, as differentiated from a person who just swipes someone else’s ID to have an ID. The purpose of a no-fly list is to keep certain people off planes (regardless of what they look like). That a no-fly list doesn’t have pictures means that it might be over-inclusive (e.g. if I were on it, it would be anyone with my name, not just anyone with my name who also happens to look like me). While that might be, and has been, a problem with a no-fly list, the problem is that the list sweeps in too many people. The problem here is that the list is completely useless.

    bridget (37b281)

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    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. What do you think anyway is the purpose of asking ID to board planes?

    The TSA is a massive waste of resources, and does more harm to the economy than AQ ever did. We’d probably be better off if we got rid of it and just accepted the risk that the occasional plane might be lost. We’d definitely be better off if we got rid of it and used the money on real security instead. But for better or worse, the government insists that it’s necessary to prevent terrorists from boarding planes. (That it’s never prevented a terrorist from doing so is merely a detail.)

    But now we suddenly learn that this whole allegedly vital system has been undermined by allowing these easily-fabricated letters to be used instead of ID. What’s to stop a terrorist, who we’re to believe has been kept from flying for the past 13 years, from running off one of these letters and finally visiting his Auntie Noor (or blowing the plane up)? We’re now in the absurd situation of paying for this system, and suffering its abuses and the economic drag it imposes, and yet no longer having the security that the government has assured us is so vital!

    Whatever it is, it isn’t to stop people like them from boarding planes, or it never was jstified for that reason.

    Who are “people like this”? When you see someone using one of these letters, how do you know what sort of person he is? Even if the letter is genuine (which you have no way of knowing), and was issued to this passenger (ditto), how do you know the name he gave for the letter is his own, or that he’s not a terrorist?

    Milhouse (b95258)

  23. Milhouse (b95258) — 7/16/2014 @ 6:04 am

    But for better or worse, the government insists that it’s necessary to prevent terrorists from boarding planes. (That it’s never prevented a terrorist from doing so is merely a detail.)

    It actually did stop one – after he had committed his terrorist act. Faisal Shahzad, the Times Square bomber, in May 2010. To be more precise, it didn’t stop him from boarding a plane to the United Arab Emirates (wiith intentions to go to Pakistan to escape) but it did stop it from taking off with him aboard.

    Of course it would have made much more sense just to tell all the airlines to look out for him. Adding him to the no-fly list was done without thinking.

    Scaring him but leaving him with hope he could flee was perhaps actually the best way to deliver him into the net, but it may not have been planned that way.

    His terrorist act also failed, for the reason that it is really hard to build a good bomb. Either it eplodes too soon, killing or injuring the bombmaker, and that’s happened any number of times, or the bomb is something of a dud. Bombmaking requires intense training, and, usually, accessto already manufactured explosives.

    What’s more, a terrroist may be stopped, but not a terrorist group with a lot of members.

    But now we suddenly learn that this whole allegedly vital system has been undermined by allowing these easily-fabricated letters to be used instead of ID.

    I think there’s more than a letter. There’s probably personal communication, and few people know what these letters look like.

    What’s to stop a terrorist, who we’re to believe has been kept from flying for the past 13 years, from running off one of these letters

    Most things fail the first time they’re tried. Anyway, it’s of course a lot easier to fake an ID, since that’s already been perfected.

    Sammy Finkelman (c33275)

  24. bridget (37b281) — 7/14/2014 @ 7:16 pm

    The point of a picture ID is so that the person looking at it knows that the person in front of them is whom they claim to be, as differentiated from a person who just swipes someone else’s ID to have an ID.

    That’s not anywhere near as effective as it’s cracked upo to be. That’s why, for many purposes, they don’t accept expired ID, because it might be somebody else’s.

    People vary in their ability to reciognize starngers. some people can look at apicture of someone when he was 5 years old and tell if it is the same person; some people are virtually or completely “face-blind.”

    And when everybody is showing ID, and nobody with ID is stopped, they don’t really look at it.

    Sammy Finkelman (c33275)

  25. The purpose of a no-fly list is to keep certain people off planes (regardless of what they look like). That a no-fly list doesn’t have pictures means that it might be over-inclusive (e.g. if I were on it, it would be anyone with my name, not just anyone with my name

    Ted Kennedy was once on that list. “Ted Kennedy” or maybe it was “Edward Kennedy” the news reports didn’t go into such detail, was evidently an alias once used by somebody in teh Irish Republican Army.

    I think there may be more than one list. The usual one just causes increased inspection.

    who also happens to look like me). While that might be, and has been, a problem with a no-fly list, the problem is that the list sweeps in too many people.

    If you are a bureaucrat, do you want to make the decision to take a name off the list – to take 95% or 98% of the names off the list??

    That’s the problem. Nobody has the guts to clean up the list.

    Or put down what it was that caused someone to be on the list. Or put down the date of borth which usually does not change without the name also changing.

    The problem here is that the list is completely useless.

    It’s not completely useless. It’s almost completely useless. It’s especially useless at preventing hijackings, since a hijacker is unlikely to be wanting to hijack a plane the first time he encounters the list, and since hijacking is anyway prevented by closing the cockpit doors, and not opening them no matter what (something taht may not have happeed aboard Malaysian Airlines Flight 370.)

    By the way, some time ago they changed the search zone. It turns out those changes in flight level probably never happened and the plane probably flew further before crashing into the ocean., and maybe none of the pings heard were genuine.

    There’s another thing – like before September 11, 2001, they are again confusing deterrence with security. Hijacking before Sept 11, 2011 was largely prevented by deterrence. There was no point t it and much to lose.

    Sammy Finkelman (c33275)

  26. “It’s not completely useless. It’s almost completely useless. It’s especially useless at preventing hijackings”

    Sammy – Can you please explain how somebody who is not permitted to fly can hijack a plane, plus add a venn diagram so we can understand the separation of deterrence and security.

    Thanks in advance.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  27. daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/16/2014 @ 8:17 am

    Sammy – Can you please explain how somebody who is not permitted to fly can hijack a plane,

    It’s that if you know someone is planning to hijack a plane, you’ll probably want to stop him before he gets close to the airport.

    And if you don’t know, he’s not going to be on the list.

    the exception would be if you don’t know, but you now something else about it that riases the probability.

    plus add a venn diagram so we can understand the separation of deterrence and security.

    Deterrence is when a hijacking or other terrorist act is not done because the consequences asre feared. Security is when it is not done because they are stopped in the act or found out in advance. It’s easy enough to think you have security when what you really have is deterrence. This was the situation before September 11, 2001.

    A Venn diagram would show 98% of the circle filled in with deterrence and 25% or less with security. Security would also cover half or less of the 2% not covered by deterrence..

    And only because the people not deterred are kind of stupid so you really don’t need high grade security.

    Sammy Finkelman (c33275)

  28. Sammy – Please join me in denouncing the epidemic of plane hijackings we have been experiencing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  29. “the exception would be if you don’t know, but you now something else about it that riases the probability.”

    Sammy – People you have suspicions about or are watching but may either not want to arrest yet or may not have grounds to arrest, but people you may want to stop from getting on an airplane. These people you would put on the list and I would not call them exceptions.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  30. daley-it will be yet another feather in President Obama’s summer of ’14 greatest hits cap if he can also weaken the commercial airline industry (which has never fully recovered from 9/11) by making more travelers reluctant to fly.

    elissa (1d9a3d)

  31. elissa – If he makes the airline industry buy the $200/gal algae gasoline he has forced the military buy due to glowball warmening that would be SPECTACULAR!!!!!11ty!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  32. But now we suddenly learn that this whole allegedly vital system has been undermined by allowing these easily-fabricated letters to be used instead of ID.

    I think there’s more than a letter. There’s probably personal communication, and few people know what these letters look like.

    What do you mean by “personal communication”? What communication? According to the source linked in this post, it appears that these letters are all a peson needs to fly anywhere they like. And because the people they’re issued to have no other ID, they don’t need to prove that the letter was written to them. So not only could any of the people actually issued these letters be a terrorist, but also any terrorist oculd print up one of these letters and fly with it. As for not knowing what they look like, that’s no problem. Now that it’s been reported in the news, all they need to do is find someone with such a letter and copy it. For that matter it doesn’t need to be perfect, because the TSA agents don’t know what they look like either. They’ve just (apparently) been told to accept them. So I could make up anything that looks vaguely like the one in the picture here and take it to the airport, and tell the TSA that I was given this, and have no other ID, and now I’d like to visit Topeka or wherever. What would stop me?

    Milhouse (b95258)

  33. Illegal immigrants now can board commercial planes with only their notice-promise to appear in court which could easily be forged w/o photo. The least we could do is subject everyone to a quick medical exam to make sure that we aren’t releasing someone into the public with communicable diseases. This could easily accomplished with rotating reserve medical personal from the medical reserves the Army, Air Force and Navy to temporary man the military induction centers until they have them replaced with permanent personnel. (Female nurses practitioners for the females and male medics the boys and men for all ages) What they used to do with the military inductees, was to issue a sealed* numbered identification cards with a photo, a thumb print and today save a filed D.N.A. sample. If we did this, it would greatly improve the safety for the flying public without subjecting a Nordic looking grandmother in a wheel to a strip search.
    * For all ages

    Thomas L. Tannehill (57ebdf)


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