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8/24/2013

Greenwald Threatens to Publish Classified Documents on Britain; Classified Documents on British Anti-Terrorism Efforts Published

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:57 am

But of course Greenwald is not responsible. If I were in British intelligence, though, I might take a hard look at Thomas Ellers or Ellison. Let’s start with Greenwald’s recent threat:

“I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England, too. I have many documents on England’s spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did,” Greenwald, speaking in Portuguese, told reporters at Rio de Janeiro’s airport where he met Miranda upon his return to Brazil.

The implication is crystal clear, even thought weasel boy tried to walk it back after he realized how petty and unprofessional it made him look:

Greenwald said in a subsequent email to Reuters that the Portuguese word “arrepender” should have been translated as “come to regret” not “be sorry for.”

“I was asked what the outcome would be for the UK, and I said they’d come to regret this because of the world reaction, how it made them look, and how it will embolden me – not that I would start publishing documents as punishment or revenge that I wouldn’t otherwise have published,” he said in the email.

Oh, of course not! Nobody could have possibly read your statements as any kind of threat!

You are a dishonest hypocrite, reporting I said you’d be sorry when I really said you’d come to regret it!

Coincidentally:

Britain runs a secret internet-monitoring station in the Middle East to intercept and process vast quantities of emails, telephone calls and web traffic on behalf of Western intelligence agencies, The Independent has learnt.

The station is able to tap into and extract data from the underwater fibre-optic cables passing through the region.

The information is then processed for intelligence and passed to GCHQ in Cheltenham and shared with the National Security Agency (NSA) in the United States. The Government claims the station is a key element in the West’s “war on terror” and provides a vital “early warning” system for potential attacks around the world.

The Independent is not revealing the precise location of the station but information on its activities was contained in the leaked documents obtained from the NSA by Edward Snowden. The Guardian newspaper’s reporting on these documents in recent months has sparked a dispute with the Government, with GCHQ security experts overseeing the destruction of hard drives containing the data.

Or perhaps not so coincidentally, eh, Rick Ellensburg?

I had nothing to do with it! It was Ellison the whole time!

Comments (110)

110 Responses to “Greenwald Threatens to Publish Classified Documents on Britain; Classified Documents on British Anti-Terrorism Efforts Published”

DING!
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 8/24/2013 @ 1:04 am
So when all those underwater cables were mysteriously cut a few years ago, was it the NSA patching into the lines or was it others trying to blind the NSA?

Hm.
Chris (0ba377) — 8/24/2013 @ 1:12 am
“Petty and unprofessional”. Lots of puns, there, but I’ll treat it straight.

He’s using his boyfriend as a courier to send God knows what to Wikileaks and he gets butthurt because the British security security services search and interrogate said boyfriend at the border? ????
nk (875f57) — 8/24/2013 @ 1:24 am
Whatever befalls that sh*tty little country they’ve earned it many times over.

Oh, we’re not talking ’bout Israel?
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/24/2013 @ 3:32 am
Drama Gleens
Icy (e33a03) — 8/24/2013 @ 4:03 am
Wonder how long before someone from a flavela kills him when he and his partner are “walking” in the park some night.
BradnSA (69f417) — 8/24/2013 @ 5:39 am
Hi, tifosa! We’re beating up “Libertarians” who hate conservatives on this thread. Where do you fit in? Do you like a good pot party with hookers? Do you have a collection of sci-fi comics? What color is your van?
nk (875f57) — 8/24/2013 @ 5:46 am
Yikes! Wrong thread. Sorry.
nk (875f57) — 8/24/2013 @ 5:47 am
Somehow, I suspect the arrogant and obnoxious two-faced sockpuppet is about to find the red tape associated with continued residence or even visits to Brazil becoming a bit sticky, the onset of official entanglements being a rather clear indication that confrontational and threatening conduct isn’t the way guests are expected to behave.

Greenwald could quickly find himself standing on the tarmac in the unyielding grip of serious men intent on making sure his hastily arranged departure for the Falklands is swift and sure.
ropelight (457464) — 8/24/2013 @ 6:19 am
If the Western democracies are the savage, oppressive states our friends on the left like to believe, why are people like Mr Greenwald still alive today?
The confused Dana (af9ec3) — 8/24/2013 @ 7:51 am
If I were in British intelligence, though, I might take a hard look at Thomas Ellers or Ellison.

If I were British intelligence, I’d instead take a closer look at the idiocy that has become increasingly rampant in modern-day Western societies, on both sides of the Atlantic. I’d think of the phrase that Lenin was supposed to have said of “the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them,” but substitute “capitalists” with “feel-good liberalism.”

Gatestoneinstitute.org, July 2012: In Cheshire, two students at the Alsager High School were punished by their teacher for refusing to pray to Allah as part of their religious education class. In Scotland, 30 non-Muslim children from the Parkview Primary School recently were required to visit the Bait ur Rehman Ahmadiyya mosque in the Yorkhill district of Glasgow. At the mosque, the children were instructed to recite the shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith which states: “There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.”

British schools are increasingly dropping the Jewish Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, according to a report entitled, Teaching Emotive and Controversial History, commissioned by the Department for Education and Skills.

British teachers are also reluctant to discuss the medieval Crusades, in which Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem: lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.

In an effort to counter “Islamophobia” in British schools, teachers now are required to teach “key Muslim contributions such as Algebra and the number zero” in math and science courses, even though the concept of zero originated in India.

Schools across Britain are…increasingly banning pork from lunch menus to avoid offending Muslim students. Hundreds of schools have adopted a “no pork” policy, according to a recent report by the London-based Daily Telegraph.

Lunch menus are not the only area in which “cultural sensitivity” is escalating in British schools. In West Yorkshire, the Park Road Junior Infant and Nursery School in Batley has banned stories featuring pigs, including “The Three Little Pigs,” in case they offend Muslim children.

In Nottingham, the Greenwood Primary School cancelled a Christmas nativity play; it interfered with the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha. In Scarborough, the Yorkshire Coast College removed the words Christmas and Easter from their calendar not to offend Muslims.
Also in Cheshire, a 14-year-old Roman Catholic girl who attends Ellesmere Port Catholic High School was branded a truant by teachers for refusing to dress like a Muslim and visit a mosque.

In Stoke-on-Trent, schools have been ordered to rearrange exams, cancel swimming lessons and stop sex education during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. In Norwich, the Knowland Grove Community First School has axed the traditional Christmas play to “look at some of the other great cultural festivals of the world.”

^ I actually have more contempt not for blatant subversives like Greenwald but for the large part of the populace in the UK or the US that’s allowing the nonsense described above to take place. IOW, we have met the enemy and he is us.
Mark (fd91da) — 8/24/2013 @ 8:11 am
Are the lives we’ve saved (if any) worth the freedom we’ve lost?

Do I trust the governments out there with the power to dive deeply into everyone’s private affairs? Recent history shows I cannot, and they use whatever tools they have to persecute critics of expansive government power and spending.

So I do not think England or the USA should be reading any emails, tapping any phones, or tracking any faces, without a warrant on a single target that the government got from a real (Art III) judge in a proceeding that must be made known to that suspect within one year, no matter what is or is not found.

Massive facilities for spying on civilians need to be bulldozed into the earth.
Dustin (303dca) — 8/24/2013 @ 9:47 am
Well said, Dustin.
Icy (4f4fc2) — 8/24/2013 @ 9:56 am
Was this part of Gleenwald’s outrage in response to his partner being detained without access to an attorney which turned out to be another false claim on the part of Ellensburg?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/24/2013 @ 10:04 am
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/23/uk-government-independent-military-base

http://www.businessinsider.com/journalist-snowden-documents-could-become-the-united-states-worst-nightmare-2013-7

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-09/world/39856622_1_intelligence-powers-single-point

When you boil it down this information is being used exactly as originally threatened. The July Business Insider article quotes Greenwald threatening to dump extremely harmful information about the US if anything happens to Snowden.

It’s not a huge leap to understand that Greenwald would dump information harmful to the UK should his boyfriend be detained. He’s been threatening to use the information Snowden gave him as a weapon of retribution for quite a while.

Which if you read the carefully crafted non-denial denials in Greenwald’s Guardian article at the top doesn’t appear to bother Snowden in the least. He simply denies he ever worked with anyone at the Independent, which broke the story about GCHQ’s legitimate Middle East activities.

No where does Snowden deny he gave Greenwald (and others) information that was harmful to the US and its allies. Thus, by the way, admitting he violated the espionage act. He simply claims he gave the information to “journalists” who he trusted to keep secret information that didn’t serve the public interest. Information that Snowden should have kept secret, but made public when he gave it the likes of Greenwald in the first place.

Such is the hypocrisy someone who should never had had a clearance must engage in when handing classified information to someone who never could get a clearance. In order to maintain the illusion they’re acting nobly.

The bottom line is that Snowden compromised extremely harmful information when he handed out his insurance policy packets to people like Greenwald. The fact he claims to have asked Greenwald to be “judicious and careful” doesn’t exonerate him. It is in fact a damning admission. He gave up control over the information, deliberately, and Greenwald can now use it as he wants.

Snowden has from the start acted like an extortionist, not a leaker. I linked to the WaPo article because I recalled he acknowledged the information he had in his possession was worth a lot of money. I don’t see that in there now. Perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps the WaPo, not for the first time, memory-holed that admission. No matter; I don’t think he has to come out and say it for everyone to acknowledge the information he had was valuable. Traitors have always traded in this information for precisely that reason.

I linked to the article anyway because in it Snowden demands the WaPo publish whatever information he gives them within 72 hours.

Again, I have to wonder why time became of the essence in early 2013 when it was already too late to do anything about the NSA’s domestic surveillance operations, given that the FAA Reauthorization Act was passed into law at the end of 2012.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/24/2013 @ 11:33 am
I would expect that every business in the world, and many individuals as well, are taking immediate steps to encrypt everything they send or do. Twice.

Sure, the NSA may be able to decrypt a lot of stuff, but it will take them astronomically longer to do so. Further, the massive increase in encrypted traffic — now not mainly from bad guys — will make the job impossible.

I truly hope that privacy becomes an issue in the next presidential election, because the current administration views it as a disposable luxury.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/24/2013 @ 12:04 pm
16. …I truly hope that privacy becomes an issue in the next presidential election, because the current administration views it as a disposable luxury.

Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/24/2013 @ 12:04 pm

As it stands now, it’s just as likely it won’t be an issue in 2016 because of Snowden’s actions.

He can’t leak anything anymore. The latest date on any document he could leak, or his proxies could leak for him, is going to be be May 2013. By making himself a celebrity, by leaking in such a high profile manner, the administration is redoubling its efforts to preemptively throttle any potential leakers. MFM outlets have been reporting that their sources are drying up because they’re too intimidated to talk to the press.

That gives the government plenty of time to claim they’ve fixed the problem. Which will be a bipartisan effort, since as far as I can see the domestic surveillance programs aren’t just a creature of the Obama administration. And in the absence of any further leaks, who’s to claim otherwise?
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/24/2013 @ 12:24 pm
I should qualify my previous comment. I was speaking purely of the NSA’s domestic surveillance programs.

I’m not dismissing the Obama administration’s arrogance, though. The potential for Obamacare to compromise everyone’s privacy in myriad ways is huge. The implementation of Obamacare may very well make privacy an issue in 2016. In fact, Obamacare looks like it’s designed to compromise people’s privacy.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/24/2013 @ 12:37 pm
Patterico’s detailed essay on Greenwald’s sock-puppetry a couple of years ago convinced me to put Greenwald in the “never read and never believe” basket. Now Greenwald is all over the news, being read and believed, and the evidence is apparently compelling that he really has some stuff.

Does that get Greenwald out of the basket? Some of his stuff may be fabricated. How much of it? How baldly? I dunno. He’s half out of the basket for me, ready to fall back in.
Bob Ellison (37d01a) — 8/24/2013 @ 12:59 pm
Bob Ellison,

I agree that Greenwald’s actions in the past push me to require verification of his claims. In this case, many of his claims have become a matter of public record as the administration has sought to justify and explain why they are doing what Greenwald’s source has alleged.

In this case it appears as though Greenwald isn’t even associating himself with these claims (but then, no one else is either) so we require plenty of verification. But we already know that an encroaching surveillance and police state is a current problem.
Dustin (384ec4) — 8/24/2013 @ 1:21 pm
20. …But we already know that an encroaching surveillance and police state is a current problem.

Comment by Dustin (384ec4) — 8/24/2013 @ 1:21 pm

Blast from the past. From the Clinton administration, mind you. Not even Chimpy McHitlurBurton’s.

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2000/07/37560

Reno to Look at Carnivore
Reuters Email 07.13.00

U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno said Thursday she would review a new FBI automated computer system that can wiretap the Internet to determine whether it might infringe on privacy rights.

“I’m taking a look at it now to make sure that we balance the rights of all Americans with the technology of today,” Reno said when asked about the FBI system known as “Carnivore” that can be used to monitor all emails of a criminal suspect.

Reno emphasized that any such wiretaps, which are placed on an Internet service provider’s system, cannot be done without an appropriate court order “according to processes and procedures used now for lawful surveillance.”
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/24/2013 @ 2:22 pm
Nothing Greenwald says can be taken at face value, he’s always got a hidden agenda, usually involving naked elements of self-aggrandizement.

His actions should considered entirely self-serving till double-dog proved otherwise, that’s the reputation he’s earned and that’s the one he’ll have to live with.

Greenwald’s credibility ranks ahead of Baghdad Bob’s, Hillary Clinton’s, Lois Lerner’s and Eric Holder’s, but not by much, and that’s because he’s small potatoes.
ropelight (457464) — 8/24/2013 @ 2:33 pm
Another reason why characters like Glenn Greenwald or Edward Snowden — in an ironic, peculiar (and sad) way — worry me less nowadays than in the past is because of things like the following.

Keep in mind that the attitude incubating the approach described below is in alignment with the ideology that wants a Nidal Hasan to be guilty of “workplace violence” instead of a hate crime inspired by a hate group (eg, pro Islamic-jihad entities). We’re talking about a berserk politically-correct outlook that is festering within the upper ranks of the US military (repeat: the US military), and not within the trenches of the ACLU or Greenpeace, or NOW, or the Black Panthers, Act Up, Michael Bloomberg’s brain, etc.

infowars.com, August 24, via drudgereport.com: Conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch recently obtained a Department of Defense training manual which lists people who embrace “individual liberties” and honor “states’ rights,” among other characteristics, as potential “extremists” who are likely to be members of “hate groups.”

Marked “for training purposes only,” the documents, obtained Thursday through a Freedom of Information Act request submitted in April, include PowerPoint slides and lesson plans, among which is a January 2013 Air Force “student guide” distributed by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute simply entitled “Extremism.”

As the group notes, “The document defines extremists as ‘a person who advocates the use of force or violence; advocates supremacist causes based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, or national origin; or otherwise engages to illegally deprive individuals or groups of their civil rights.’”

It begins its introduction of a section titled, “Extremist ideologies,” by describing the American colonists who sought independence from British rule as a historical example of extremism.

“In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples,” according to the training guide.

In a section drawing inspiration from a 1992 book titled “Nazis, Communists, Klansmen, and Others on the Fringe: Political Extremism in America,” the manual also lists “Doomsday thinking” under “traits or behaviors that tend to represent the extremist style.”

“Nowadays,” the manual explains, “instead of dressing in sheets or publicly espousing hate messages, many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.”

Judicial Watch also acknowledges the Southern Poverty Law Center “is listed as a resource for information on hate groups and referenced several times throughout the guide,” even though the group itself was directly responsible for a “hate crime” perpetrated on the Family Research Council after it was listed on the SPLC’s “hate map.”

[I]n July 2012 Infowars blew the lid on a Department of Homeland Security-funded study, produced by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland, that characterized Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.
Mark (fd91da) — 8/24/2013 @ 3:40 pm
Steve,

Do you suppose that Rand Paul is going to leave it be? Do you think he’ll be shoved down to the end of the stage like his crazy dad?
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/24/2013 @ 5:37 pm
He can’t leak anything anymore. The latest date on any document he could leak, or his proxies could leak for him, is going to be be May 2013. By making himself a celebrity, by leaking in such a high profile manner, the administration is redoubling its efforts to preemptively throttle any potential leakers. MFM outlets have been reporting that their sources are drying up because they’re too intimidated to talk to the press.

I wonder how that will work after Snowden gets his Nobel Peace Prize. They can’t take Obama’s back, as much as they’d like to, but they can express their disappointment with Obama another way. Assanage was too controversial, but making Snowden into another Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn isn’t beyond the Nobel committee.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/24/2013 @ 5:41 pm
25. …but making Snowden into another Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn isn’t beyond the Nobel committee.

Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/24/2013 @ 5:41 pm

The Nobel committee didn’t make Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn into Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. A couple of centuries in the Gulag or what seemed like made Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn into Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/24/2013 @ 7:01 pm
Now it’s just a coincidence this film is about to be released;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Estate_%28film%29
narciso (3fec35) — 8/24/2013 @ 7:22 pm
If they can’t do the former, they will do the latter;

http://cambriandissenters.blogspot.com/2013/08/sir-winston-churchill-drunken.html
narciso (3fec35) — 8/24/2013 @ 7:30 pm
R.I.P. actress Julie Harris
Icy (e6dce2) — 8/24/2013 @ 8:16 pm
All right, this has gotten too silly;

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/snowden-alleges-uk-government-is-leaking-documents-about-itself/#comments
narciso (3fec35) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:26 am
The Nobel committee didn’t make Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn into Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I didn’t say he did, Steve.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:06 am
The only thing I am sure about the NSA situation is that Obama will bungle it.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:08 am
24. Steve,

Do you suppose that Rand Paul is going to leave it be? Do you think he’ll be shoved down to the end of the stage like his crazy dad?

Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/24/2013 @ 5:37 pm

McCain would like nothing more than to shove aside the “wacko bird” kid into irrelevance, just like the crazy dad was irrelevant in the House.

McCain can do it, too. McCain went behind McConnell’s back and with a group of other GOP senators negotiated their own nuclear option deal with Reid and Schumer. Obama’s Republican mini-me in the Senate engineered the deal that guaranteed Reid enough votes for Obama’s nominees in exchange for an empty promise. Reid stopped talking about the “nuclear option” for the moment. But of course he has no need to talk about it now. He got everything he wanted, and in return he gets to threaten destroy the GOP’s ability to filibuster presidential nominees the next time someone threatens to do so.

Until of course McCain sells them out again. McCain brings added meaning to “reaching across the aisle,” IYKWIMAITYD. He really is one of Schumer’s pet Republicans.

Not like McConnell exactly plays hardball. He’s caved needlessly on several key issues. And here’s the kicker; Rand Paul supports Mitch McConnell. So one has to wonder how much of a firebrand Rand Paul really is if he’s close to the milquetoast leader of the GOP in the Senate.

I don’t know how much of what I see from Rand Paul or Ted Cruz is real or theater. They definitely seem more genuine then Marco Rubio. Regardless, the one thing we can be sure of is that they couldn’t stop the Senate from protecting the NSA’s domestic surveillance programs even if they wanted to. There are too many McCains in the GOP.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:24 am
Snowden says he never turned anything over to the Independent. That seems to be correct and undisputed.

He turned it over to Glenn Greenwald, who works for the Gurardian, not the Independent, and Laura Poitras.

Of course Glenn Greenwald can get things into more than one paper.
Sammy Finkelman (cd2969) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:32 am
Icy… just a heads-up… I’ve been feeling pretty poorly lately… it’s a b*tch to get up in the morning… much stiffness (not the good kind), aches and pains… takes two cups of really strong coffee to ignite my jets… I have no major entertainment credits, but did play the lead as Tevye in my high school’s production of “Fiddler on the Roof”.

If you could ready something for me, Id be eternally grateful.
Colonel Haiku (1f0efd) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:37 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Poitras did not know the stranger’s name, sex, age or employer (C.I.A.? N.S.A.? Pentagon?). In early June, she finally got the answers. Along with her reporting partner, Glenn Greenwald, a former lawyer and a columnist for The Guardian, Poitras flew to Hong Kong and met the N.S.A. contractor Edward J. Snowden, who gave them thousands of classified documents, setting off a major controversy over the extent and legality of government surveillance…..O Globo, one of the largest newspapers in Brazil. Greenwald had just published an article there detailing how the N.S.A. was spying on Brazilian phone calls and e-mails.

You can see here that Greenwald publishes in more than one outlet.

David Miranda was carrying stuff both ways. The British let him go to Berlin and only intercepted what he took back from Laura Poitras in Berlin.

Laura Poitras seems to have cutody of more and it was she who turned stuff over to Glenn Greenwald.

In May, he sent encrypted messages telling the two of them to go to Hong Kong. Greenwald flew to New York from Rio, and Poitras joined him for meetings with the editor of The Guardian’s American edition. With the paper’s reputation on the line, the editor asked them to bring along a veteran Guardian reporter, Ewen MacAskill, and on June 1, the trio boarded a 16-hour flight from J.F.K. to Hong Kong.

Snowden had sent a small number of documents to Greenwald, about 20 in all, but Poitras had received a larger trove, which she hadn’t yet had the opportunity to read closely.

She may have been planning to leave Berlin and wanted to get copies to Brazil.
Sammy Finkelman (cd2969) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:39 am
Don’t forget that the Independent is owned by former KGB employee and Russian oligarch Alexander Lebedev who also owns other papers in the U.K. and Russia.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/25/2013 @ 10:21 am
what the UK did to Mr. Greenwald’s partner was nasty and fascist and remarkably unproductive

they should ask themselves how they would feel if Prince William’s breeding whore Kate were subjected to the same treatment
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 6:07 pm
Yes, when both William and Harry, were in Helmand province, they certainly would have appreciated the
‘burning’ of a key facility in the region, then again Greenwald thought 9/11 a justified action,
and the response an overreaction,
narciso (3fec35) — 8/25/2013 @ 6:15 pm
Prince William’s breeding w**** Kate

That was one of the more disgusting things you have said in a long time.

Powers that be, why do we need to put up with that?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/25/2013 @ 6:29 pm
He’s a jack@#%^, there are stronger expression, but I would need to retort to another language,
narciso (3fec35) — 8/25/2013 @ 6:36 pm
“what the UK did to Mr. Greenwald’s partner was nasty and fascist”

Mr. Feets – Sucks to be a mule what is hauling stolen state secrets across international borders wif your travel paid for by a newspaper what is going to publish the stolen secrets is what I think.

Innocent family member of a journalist denied a lawyer my big fat butt double stoopid.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/25/2013 @ 6:59 pm
these aren’t secrets anymore Mr. daley and it’s silly to pretend that they are

plus also these “secrets” are things we all need to understand about the lying fascist amoral regime we live under

and plus also the idea of royalty is deeply offensive Mr. Dr. to people what believe all men are created equal

Deeply. Offensive.

and in case I forget to say it

thank you Edward

thank you so much
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:04 pm
feets,
you dare to talk about things being offensive???
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:07 pm
hmmm

I apologize if I offended you Mr. Dr. though I must say I find your sensibilities to be rather delicate

but nevertheless

please allow me to present my point less obliquely and in a much less provocative manner

I think the idea that with this “United Kingdom” we are dealing with a fascist state that already is in the habit or recognizing two classes of people with a very different set of rights and privileges is worth keeping in mind as we discuss this post.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:25 pm
*of* recognizing two classes of people I mean
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:32 pm
35. See your rheumatologist. I’m just coming to the end of an autoimmune ailment common among Scandinavians called polymyalgic rheumatica. Shoulders and thighs especially stiff and painful. Tried ibuprofen for months a few years back but it kept getting worse where rolling out of bed was about the only option.

Exercise diminished the pain but muscle weakness was depressing. Ran about four years but symptoms entirely reversed with prednisone.

There are other somewhat similar varieties.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:37 pm
Life is a state of mind, happyfeet. Miranda’s clients pay a lot of money for the sort of things the British did to him for free. You know, if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with …?
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:47 pm
I don’t know very much about Mr. Miranda really he’s sort of a shadowy figure of international intrigue.

But like all of us he has feelings and is likely to have become alarmed and fearful when deprived of liberty by a foreign state.

It’s the stuff of nightmares.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 7:53 pm
I feel the same way when I drive through Morton Grove, happyfeet.
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:01 pm
rofl, nk.
SPQR (768505) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:22 pm
45. I wonder if an illustration might be instructive with regard to the Duchess.

When Willy dumped her(no doubt having enjoyed her pleasures) she manifestly did not value herself a whore, didn’t slip pictures of the Windsor manhood to the Daily Mail, didn’t ghost write for millions but waited for the worm to turn.

By definition, ‘whore’ is inapt. She knew she was a princess.

OTOH, I share the sense that sensibilities can be inexplicably capricious, e.g., I cannot grasp why anyone would be offended at my characterizing NJ as a borehole simply because she reveals a nicely turned ankle in parts.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:26 pm
Picachu, has that irrational tourette’s,
narciso (3fec35) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:29 pm
Mr. Feets – I enjoy very much being treated like royalty. Don’t diss what you don’t know.

these aren’t secrets anymore Mr. daley and it’s silly to pretend that they are

Seriously, Bruthah Feets, you telekonneticut or sumpin, you know everything Chelsea Snowden stole?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:40 pm
ok so there’s some compare and contrast from Mr. gulrud

nice contribution thank you

no Mr. narciso nonono I do not have this tourette’s

I just think about princes and princesses different than how some other people think of them. I can’t help it cause of a pikachu bows to no man. Or woman.

It’s how we roll.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:41 pm
Mr. daley sometimes you just have to have faith in the goodness of your fellow man. In this case the fellow man is named Edward and he’s surpassingly self-sacrificing and of good heart.

Ask me how I know and I’ll tell you I can just tell is all.

Plus we’re all in a horrible pickle and at least Edward’s found a way to be disruptive of a government that’s leading us all into a parlous state of decline and fail and oppression.

I think he’s neato mosquito.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:45 pm
I do have the sense that Cameron is a guileless Obumble.

Hope he’s using tasters.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:50 pm
No, he’s a blanc mange, Minister of Silly walks, we’ve seen this rodeo before.
narciso (3fec35) — 8/25/2013 @ 8:52 pm
here is a Music Video a merry band of British socialists created some years ago about the adventures and travails of a blanc mange

http://www.wat.tv/video/the-beautiful-south-song-for-31n33_31m7t_.html

it is very poignant

to see it you have to watch a short commercial in French

after you see it though let’s circle back around and discuss whether or not the blanc mange in the video is indeed similar to or different from our friend Edward
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:00 pm
oh wait. I think maybe you were talking about Cameron not Edward

nevertheless I think this will prove to be a useful exercise
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:01 pm
“It’s the stuff of nightmares.”

Mr. Feets – Having a relationship with Glenn Gleenwald?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:02 pm
Gary, if you’re still up, who is NJ?
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:09 pm
62. NJ is the state. Don’t think I’ve been thru Morton Grove, looks like its north of the Edens.

Note to enterprising businesspersons:

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/08/23/two-million-bikers-to-meet-million-muslim-march-in-dc-on-911/

Get thee and your kiosk brimming with chadors to DC for the Million Muslim March.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:13 pm
Morton Grove’s renown is that it was the first municipality in the US to abolish the private ownership of handguns.
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:40 pm
Mr. daley God made someone for everyone to love

it’s a thing

a very mysterious thing what surpasses our feeble understanding

someone should write a poem
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:45 pm
Hey, Gary. Found this on reddit. Why are New Yorkers so angry and depressed? Because the light at the end of the tunnel is New Jersey.
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 9:58 pm
“Mr. daley God made someone for everyone to love”

Mr. Feets – I agree and we are all God’s chirren. So if your sweet sentiment regarding Princess Kate means you believe the term wife is equivalent to breeding whore, should we label David Miranda Glenn Gleenwald’s hershey highway homey?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/25/2013 @ 10:01 pm
I can’t stand those other guys, so here’s the Isley Bros. version.
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 10:02 pm
Link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Typysp5mw
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 10:02 pm
MD and daleyrocks, happyfeet is special, by his own admission. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7zoudZMxVE
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 10:07 pm
either “Princess” Kate knew what she signed up for

or she didn’t

either way she’s a more than willing participant in her own degradation

I’m listening about the child

is it just me or does Eric Clapton look like a stoner public school art teacher
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/25/2013 @ 10:14 pm
Yes, yes he does.
nk (875f57) — 8/25/2013 @ 10:25 pm
Penguins raised by wolves, that’s a first.
narciso (3fec35) — 8/26/2013 @ 3:59 am
“I’m leaving you for an NSA officer,” she said.
“But why? What does he have that I don’t?”
“He listens to me.”
nk (875f57) — 8/26/2013 @ 5:23 am
In other news, there’s a piece in the Journal about Prince Bandar’s part in arming the Syrian rebels.
narciso (342f74) — 8/26/2013 @ 5:28 am
Feets, if you think all people are created equal, why do you think it is OK to demean some of the female variety in the most offensive verbiage possible?
they all were someone’s little girl once
even those whose older behavior is more becoming of those titles
and in my experience, some of those with such behavior had a lot of “help” getting that way at the abuse of evil people, way too often including those who had the responsibility to love and protect them

As far as royalty goes, as with any other station in life, a royal can see life as an opportunity to get and take what one can
or an opportunity to eagerly discharge one’s responsibilities with vigor for the sake of others

May the younger British royals serve their people better than 90% of the elected “representatives” of our fair land.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/26/2013 @ 6:34 am
Its a darned shame his grandchildren aren’t already on his knee. nk has the humor, history, anecdotes and wisdom of experience to be world class.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/26/2013 @ 6:57 am
71. The subject of pedagogy and Eric Clapton should not be met.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/26/2013 @ 7:02 am
it is doubleplus okeydokey to demean princesses using the mostest offensive verbiage possible I think Mr. Dr.

in fact it is a right we exercise or we lose

my feeble protestations you are surely aware amount to but gently whispered impudence in the face of the hideously powerful pro-royal propaganda machine

and yet I will persevere as long as I am able

cause of there are truths what I hold to be self-evident
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 9:58 am
Egyptian military using religion to justify attacks on civilians – New York Times

(they need it for the soldiers who had been given orders to fire)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/26/2013 @ 10:02 am
80. And especially necessary when returning fire on ‘civilians’ armed with RPGs, cloaked in chadors, from within holy sites.

Please do not shove the ‘civilian’ stick in my cage again.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/26/2013 @ 10:18 am
egypt is an unholy mess I don’t know what else to tell you
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 10:21 am
Thanks, Gary. happyfeet, you … aww forget it!
nk (875f57) — 8/26/2013 @ 10:29 am
i have to get back to work Mr. nk

work work work like a manic lil beaver

this can’t be healthy
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 10:31 am
feets-

the devil demands the right to be evil, too
demanding rights does not always get one where they think they want to go

good day!
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:07 pm
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/26/2013 @ 10:18 am

And especially necessary when returning fire on ‘civilians’ armed with RPGs, cloaked in chadors, from within holy sites.

This is not really the case. A CBS reporter was resent at one place. They were shooting at people even outside the area of protest. zdon’t assume things.

Also this article doesn’t seem to mention just the idea of shooting back:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/26/world/middleeast/egypt.html?hp&_r=0&pagewanted=all

What they were not doing all this time was protecting Coptic churches.
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:21 pm
82. Comment by happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 10:21 am

egypt is an unholy mess I don’t know what else to tell you

In most places it is not so bad – the curfew is not even being enforced in most places. Most of the people actually the military (because they don’t like or want the Brotherhood)

But who can visit now?
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:23 pm
I will try to have a good day but you also have a good day Mr. Dr.

this is my fourth day of an under-500 calorie per day diet

I’m a do this til Thursday

I’m weighing my options, which a pikachu is wont to do, and one of them may involve going back to my old job, in which case I want to go back and be super-thin like ashton kutcher and have everyone go omg what happened to you have you been ill

and I will say nope just good clean livin

or somesuch

I think the dialog needs work but I have time

did you see the durable goods numbers Mr. Dr.?

recession is nigh, plan accordingly

either that or recession is not nigh and I’m just an overly-cautious pikachu with adult-onset anorexia

it’s hard to make a definitive statement either way
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:30 pm
I’m up to 183 lbs., from 165, on a high-protein, super-high-carb diet and I haven’t felt better in years. Snickers, Hersheys and KitKats, where have you been all my life? Potato salad, be mine tonight.
nk (875f57) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:38 pm
Mr. Finkelman a nile river cruise was forever on my bucket list but now not so much

i would’ve walked out on deck at night and looked up at the moon and stars and listened to plinky plonky river sounds and felt alive and free is how that would’ve gone

alive and free and a little melancholy and humble cause of under the stars my mind would wander and I’d think back on how this was something I’d imagined when I was wee small and here I am and I’d remember about the books I read one summer when I encamped myself in a back bedroom at my grandma’s house before she dropped down dead one day in shopping mall, and suddenly all the years in between would seem but a heartbeat

As we come a little nearer we see the yaller sand come to an end in a long straight edge like a blanket, and on to it was joined, edge to edge, a wide country of bright green, with a snaky stripe crooking through it, and Tom said it was the Nile. It made my heart jump again, for the Nile was another thing that wasn’t real to me. Now I can tell you one thing which is dead certain: if you will fool along over three thousand miles of yaller sand, all glimmering with heat so that it makes your eyes water to look at it, and you’ve been a considerable part of a week doing it, the green country will look so like home and heaven to you that it will make your eyes water AGAIN.

That’s from Tom Sawyer Abroad which is a book by a famous American author.

Also while I was on deck I would like to enjoy a tasty American bourbon straight up like how the do it on Mad Men. But they have all these religious rules about alcohol over there so I’m not sure if that part is altogether realistic.
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:42 pm
good job Mr. nk – if you go grocery shopping look for noosa yogurt – it’s very hearty and wonderful yogurt made from real cream and it’s been on my “one of my favorite new things” list entirely too long to where it’s not actually all that new anymore
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:45 pm
like how *they* do it on Mad Men I mean
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:46 pm
90. Happyfeet a nile river cruise was forever on my bucket list but now not so much

You’ll have to wait and see how this plays out. Banning alcohol for foreign tourists is only an idea of Islamicists. But I’m sure how far any boats would go on the river. The river is now all dammed and there’s even an issue with a posisble new dam by Ethiopia.

Ethiopia says it only wants it for hydropower, so the water would be released, except for a little evaporation, but to get it to start they’d have to store up almost one year’s worth of water. If they took six years (more likely) they’d still cut the flow by 1/6) Of course if they are careful only to do this when here are heavy rains there would be no problem, and even a benefit.

Here’s an article that includes a picture of a woman rowing a (loaded with goods?) boat on the Nile River in Cairo June 13, 2013.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2013/0625/Will-Ethiopia-s-grand-new-dam-steal-Nile-waters-from-Egypt
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 8/26/2013 @ 12:59 pm
that’s the damn Egypt already has a plan in place to bomb into dust

we have way better neighbors than Ethiopia does is one of the takeaways here
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 1:07 pm
http://www.volokh.com/2013/08/25/government-doesnt-know-documents-snowden-copied/
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 8/26/2013 @ 1:08 pm
meanwhile back at the ranch;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323423804579024452583045962.html
narciso (3fec35) — 8/26/2013 @ 1:10 pm
89. “zdon’t assume things.”

Touche, Mr. F.

My game as you’ve no doubt divined is not to flail hopelessly for ‘proof’ when the weight of the evidence, the web of fact, leans overwhelmingly in one direction or another.

Our dilemma, given our respective regimens, is whether to be right some of the time or invariably wrong, no?
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/26/2013 @ 1:11 pm
*dam* I mean

I swear to God starvation makes you stupid

I’m a have to doublecheck my work today like a kajillion times
happyfeet (c60db2) — 8/26/2013 @ 1:17 pm
Oh, I see. It seems to be OK for the government to retaliate against Greenwald for alleged “offenses against the state,” but a bad, bad thing for Greenwald to retaliate against the state for it’s bad conduct? A big difference is that the government can imprison Greenwald, but all he has is his free speech.
Daniel (6c6924) — 8/26/2013 @ 2:04 pm
It’s called the law, Daniel. Don’t send your boyfriend through Heathrow with secrets about Britains GCHQ if you’re too stupid to familiarize yourself with the Official Secrets Act of 1989.

And yes, the Brits can throw Greenwald and Miranda in prison for violating it. You can make juvenile comparisons between sovereign states and newspaper columnists all you like, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s stupid for a newspaper columnist to retaliate against a nation for “bad behavior” that amounts to nothing more than enforcing a law that’s been on the books in various forms for about a century if not more.

The fact of the matter is if Greenwald, Miranda, Poitras, or Snowden travel through Britain with information about British intelligence operations then those individuals are idiots because they are in possession of stolen government property. They don’t have a right to that property anymore than a shoplifter has a right to a bottle of Thunderbird. Wrapping themselves in the 1st Amendment isn’t a defense, and stupid in any case as the US Constitution only applies in one country in the world.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/26/2013 @ 2:51 pm
It’s interesting how something are out in the open, while others;

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/digenova-benghazi-scandal-growing-quietly-behind-the-scenes-witnesses-coming-out-of-the-woodwork-nsa-scandal-tip-of-the-iceberg/
narciso (3fec35) — 8/26/2013 @ 3:22 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/report-snowden-stayed-at-russian-consulate-while-in-hong-kong/2013/08/26/8237cf9a-0e39-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html?hpid=z3

Report: Snowden stayed at Russian consulate while in Hong Kong

By Will Englund, Updated: Monday, August 26, 6:47 AM E-mail the writer

MOSCOW — Before American fugitive Edward Snowden arrived in Moscow in June — an arrival that Russian officials have said caught them by surprise — he spent several days living at the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong, a Moscow newspaper reported Monday.

The article in Kommersant, based on accounts from several unnamed sources, did not state clearly when Snowden decided to seek Russian help in leaving Hong Kong, where he was in hiding in order to evade arrest by U.S. authorities on charges that he leaked top-secret documents about U.S. surveillance programs.

Emphasis mine.

This very well could be true, since Wikileaks staffer Sarah Harrison was with Snowden during this time in Hong Kong. And Wikileaks has a close relationship with the Russian government. Julian Assange taped a talkshow for Russian state TV. I.e. for Putin. Here’s what Assange told his Russian employer per this AP report:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/julian-assange-to-edward-snowden-russia-may-help/story-e6frfro0-1226662839455

Julian Assange to Edward Snowden: ‘Russia may help’

…”I think he would be well-advised to consider that offer. He would be considered to try to find a similar offer in South America,” Assange told RT television, a Kremlin-funded English-language channel in an interview aired late on Tuesday.

Assange has been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London for nearly a year after claiming asylum. RT used to air a talk show hosted by Assange from his previous house arrest in London.

“Latin America has a real personal interest in what is going on and of course Russia understands this game and Putin understands this game for a long time now, and I’m sure that once honour was on the table in such an offer, that it would not be rescinded.”

Part of the game that Putin understands is that his government needed to act surprised when Snowden showed up in Moscow.

The gap between what Snowden, and Greenwald, claim to be true and what they do was stretched beyond all credibility from the start. Beginning with Snowden heading to the PRC in protest of US internet surveillance and its threat to free speech.

That’s like joining forces with MS-13 in a campaign against gang violence.

In this case neither Snowden or Greenwald have denied the the real accusation. That the information the Independent published about the GCHQ’s M.E. operations is in the cache of information Snowden stole from NSA.

They’ve instead raised strawmen, and denied those. Indeed, both Snowden and Greenwald have said the information Snowden took was extremely damaging. Snowden tries to acquire a veneer of responsibility by claiming he asked the people he gave the information to be “judicious and careful,” and only release information that was in the public interest.

It’s laughable that is what a responsible actor would do. It means he gave those people (Greenwald and Poitras are two we’re aware of) information that isn’t in the public interest. Information exactly like that in the Independent’s article. And Greenwald confirmed the fact that along with information people might consider legitimate whistleblowing was extremely damaging information when he threatened to publish it if anything happened to Snowden.

So the fact that they both admitted the information is damaging, and that Greenwald threatened to use it in retaliation against the US if something happened to Snowden, is a public admission of guilt. They knowingly violated the Espionage Act of 1917. And Greenwald threatened further violations of it as a form of blackmail.

The fact Greenwald asserted responsibility for publishing GCHQ information under his byline in the Guardian is a public admission he knowingly violated the Official Secrets Act of 1989.

His attempt to walk it back is in fact damning:

Greenwald said in a subsequent email to Reuters that the Portuguese word “arrepender” should have been translated as “come to regret” not “be sorry for.”

“I was asked what the outcome would be for the UK, and I said they’d come to regret this because of the world reaction, how it made them look, and how it will embolden me – not that I would start publishing documents as punishment or revenge that I wouldn’t otherwise have published,” he said in the email.

If he has documents in his possession that are too damaging to publish, why is he retaining them?

18 USC § 793 (e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

…Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

He’s admitting he’s violating this section of the Espionage Act of 1917 for no legitimate reason. He can’t even argue that information is in the public interest since he says he wouldn’t publish it. Snowden gave it all to him, but asked Greenwald not to publish it.

Why retain it, and admit you’re retaining it in violation of the law, if it’s too dangerous to reveal and you’re well aware of that fact? If you were in fact a responsible actor you’d also know that it’s also too dangerous to keep. Especially when you’re crowing about having it to every MFM organization that will listen.

I can only conclude that information is being used exactly as Snowden and Greenwald intended all along. To damage the US.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/26/2013 @ 3:48 pm
narciso @101, it always amazed me that this administration tried to put a lid on Benghazi by claiming it was an intel matter and highly classified and all.

As attacks on Americans go, it was no more classified and no more an entirely intel matter than the Boston bombing or 9/11. Except in case of Benghazi it didn’t take place in public view on the streets of an American city.

DiGenova says the scandal may be moving back to Washington. That was always true, but not the way he means it. He means it because in the course of investigating the one thing, he’s learning about other things. The fact is the real Benghazi scandal itself was never in Libya. It was always inside the beltway. And a few key nodes in the immediate vicinity.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/26/2013 @ 5:14 pm
Well the story doesn’t actually start there, or Benghazi, but Riyadh and Doha,
narciso (3fec35) — 8/26/2013 @ 5:22 pm
Story, no. Scandal, yes.
Steve57 (713b70) — 8/26/2013 @ 5:45 pm
There is a limited scandal in Benghazi – the drawdown of the security – the turning over of part or almost all of the responsibility to people who either didn’t have honesty or ability -the “safe room” that was a firetrap – the knowledge that the attackers seemed to have, but the explanation, including the explanation as to why the Ambassador was even there that day, and why he stayed at the misison rather than the safer and better protected CIA facility or State Department “annex” goes far outsidE Benghazi.

And the explanation of why and how he was killed may indeed go back to Riyadh (capital of Saudi Arabia) and Doha (capital of Qatar) both countries which were involved in sending weapons to Syrian rebels from Quaddafi’s stockpiles in eastern Libya through Turkey – weapons the United States didn’t want sent, particularly Surface to Air missiles.

The CIA was there to collect the weapons and NOT send them, while Saudi Arabia and Qatar wanted to collect them and send them, and Ambassador Stevens met with the Turkish station chief or something the night he was killed. A ship had already left. I think he wanted the shipment not forwarded from Turkey and he didn’t want another ship to leave.

As a result poof the attack, the CIA completely evacuated Libya (at least anyone there protected by diplomstic immunuty) and the Ambassador was also no longer a problem for Saudi arabia and/or Qatar.

But these countries, and some people in Libya, were very “helpful” in explaining the attack as spontaneous and unplanned, whose planning at most went back to earlier in the day when news of the supposedly unexpected assault on the Cairo embassy reached Benghazi.

That too, was not supposed to have been planned before news of the video circulated.
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 8/26/2013 @ 6:57 pm
Spammy, I think since they were Bloods, they mistook him for a Crip because of the color jacket he was wearing and that’s why he was killed!
Yoda (04dfe5) — 8/27/2013 @ 1:26 am
107. Comment by Yoda (04dfe5) — 8/27/2013 @ 1:26 am

Spammy, I think since they were Bloods, they mistook him for a Crip because of the color jacket he was wearing and that’s why he was killed!

What I want to know is what did Trayvon Martins hoodie really look like?

They’re not showing the real hoodie. The trayvon family lawyers are not at all anxious to have that exhibited in the Smithsonian. And the one picture of somebody in a hoodie that we’ve seen is in black and white.

(And it would be nice to see a picture of the real Trayvon Martin becaause that’s probably not him in the hoodie either.)

It’s not that George Zimemrman thought he was “Crip” – Zimmerman thought he was a “Colt” – it is that Trayvon Martin could have thought that George Zimmerman was a “Blood” (or some other type of gangsta) targeting him because he was “Crip”.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2013 @ 2:42 pm
Trayvon Martin didn’t think Geirge Zimmerman was calling the police on his cell phone.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2013 @ 2:43 pm
Trayvon Martin didn’t think Geirge Zimmerman was calling the police on his cell phone.

Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2013 @ 2:43 pm

So dense that when ridiculed for ridiculous imaginings, he does not know! Mind reading now Spammy? Of myself and most of the commenters here, read of our minds what is thought of your inane and insane rambles.
Yoda (ee1de0) — 8/27/2013 @ 8:10 pm

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