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6/16/2013

Snowden’s Girlfriend, Now Missing, Previously Visited China and Spoke of Her Desire to Travel to Hong Kong

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 2:55 pm

It has been reported that Edward Snowden left his girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, when he went to Hong Kong.

But are we sure about that? A tipster sends me evidence that shows that Mills once lived in China for six months, and spoke to a Hong Kong photographer about her desire to visit Hong Kong — the very city, as it happens, where Snowden is now staying as he seeks a country that will give him asylum.

For a while the Internet was fascinated with Edward Snowden’s girlfriend, and it wasn’t hard to see why. BuzzFeed had a compilation of videos and images from her various social media accounts, and the images show her to be attractive and often dressed in skimpy attire:

Screen Shot 2013-06-16 at 1.35.53 PM

There are far racier photos at the BuzzFeed piece.

Then there was the video of her pole dancing routine:

Her father, Jonathan Mills, says he doesn’t know where she is:

Mills also said his daughter, Lindsay, who has been dating Snowden for four or five years, is holding on amid the national controversy. Jonathan Mills says he has texted his daughter, but that he did not know where she was.

Mills also said he last saw his daughter two months ago, when she came to visit for a week.

Other news reports indicate that she has gone missing from her Waikiki acrobatic pole dancing troupe.

But buried in the reporting on her social media accounts is a clue to her possible whereabouts. It turns out that she previously lived in China, and spoke of returning there, or possibly to Hong Kong.

The BuzzFeed piece above indicates that Mills’s personal blog, now deleted, was at http://www.lsjourney.com/. The last post she wrote included this passage:

But at the moment all I can feel is alone. And for the first time in my life I feel strong enough to be on my own. Though I never imagined my hand would be so forced.

As I type this on my tear-streaked keyboard I’m reflecting on all the faces that have graced my path. The ones I laughed with. The ones I’ve held. The one I’ve grown to love the most. And the ones I never got to bid adieu. But sometimes life doesn’t afford proper goodbyes. In those unsure endings I find my strength, my true friends, and my heart’s song. A song that I thought had all but died away, when really it was softly singing all along. I don’t know what will happen from here. I don’t know how to feel normal. But I do know that I am loved, by myself and those around me. And no matter where my compass-less vessel will take me, that love will keep me buoyant.

Sounds like she’s headed somewhere, doesn’t it?

“Lsjourney” also had an Instagram account at http://instagram.com/lsjourney/. We know this is hers because she linked it from her Twitter account, which is still active. Here she is on June 10, looking contemplatively at a globe:

Screen Shot 2013-06-16 at 2.35.36 PM

And it turns out that Mills, commenting under her Instagram moniker “lsjourney,” had a discussion with a Hong Kong photographer going by the moniker ardisblossom at this image about China:

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If you go to the image, you can see the comments on the right. Here are the relevant comments from the exchange:

lsjourney: Where is this? I love that sound

ardisblossom: It’s part of a Buddhist ceremony in a temple in China.

lsjourney: Are you living in China? I love China and miss it.

ardisblossom: sort of, I’m living in Hong kong. Have you been to HK? @lsjourney

lsjourney: I didn’t make it to HK  met some great people from HK when they traveled through China. They preferred HK over China. Kind of sad I didn’t make it there since I wasn’t too far away living just outside of Guilin.

ardisblossom: Guilin is a beautiful place, hong [k]ong is beautiful too but in a very different way. ^^ @lsjourney

lsjourney: Yes it is a beautiful place. I miss it a lot actually. One of the prettiest places I’ve ever lived. Do you go to china often?

ardisblossom: not very often, I wish I could travel more in my own country ^^’ @lsjourney

lsjourney: I wish I could travel more in your country too! Spent 6 months there and fell in love.

Does this mean she is in China or Hong Kong? No. Maybe Snowden went to Hong Kong hoping she would follow.

But if she expressed a love for China and a desire to see Hong Kong, and she is missing, and he is in Hong Kong . . . you can draw your own conclusions.

96 Responses to “Snowden’s Girlfriend, Now Missing, Previously Visited China and Spoke of Her Desire to Travel to Hong Kong”

  1. Kind of interesting, no?

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. Maybe Snowden told her of his plans — not full details, but warned her that he was about to do something very risky — and gave her time to disappear before he leaked his info.

    Chuck Bartowski (ad7249)

  3. Gosh, you mean that Snowden’s girlfriend is also (pardon the expression) an attention whore? What are the odds that two narcissists would hook up?

    JVW (23867e)

  4. to paraphrase the Rolling Stones…. “she said she liked the way I held the metadata”….

    vor2 (99c347)

  5. Sounds more like she’s empty-headed somewhere.

    Steve (9f889c)

  6. She’s like totally hot.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  7. more beauty than brains…

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  8. Well granted but what better way, to steer him toward the direction the Guangbu wanted, anybody check that seemingly innocuous chat for stegonagraphic (hidden information)

    narciso (3fec35)

  9. That would be nice if he didn’t have to lose his girlfriend over this. Let love prevail.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  10. Her right foot looks like a dead fish.

    ropelight (4f78fb)

  11. I would so not be looking at her right foot.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  12. Obviously then, you’re no connoisseur of the dance.

    ropelight (4f78fb)

  13. I’m a connoisseur, but not of dancing.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  14. “Fever” sung by a guy is creepy.

    nk (875f57)

  15. That would be nice if he didn’t have to lose his girlfriend over this. Let love prevail.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 6/16/2013

    It would be nicer still if the murderous Chinese regime was not further able to brutalize human life thanks in no small part to traitors.

    Dustin (303dca)

  16. “Fever” sung by a guy is creepy.

    Well, Elvis used to perform a version of the song in concert. Not sure if that proves or disproves your assertion.

    And Little Willie John recorded the song before Peggy Lee did. Again, though, that doesn’t really disprove your assertion.

    JVW (23867e)

  17. It would be nice if “former conservative” took his head out of his ass.

    Gus (694db4)

  18. i know a happy turtle when i see one

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  19. Ha ha, happyfeet, that was great.

    I didn’t remember the turtle from the photo and it took me a while to figure out what you were talking about.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  20. i have two turtles myself but they’re girls but I didn’t know that when they were little so they got boys names

    but it’s ok they’re very comfortable in their own shells and it’s never been a problem

    the whole Hong Kong girlfriend trip thing was reported awhile ago though

    Last year he whisked her 8,000 miles from their home south of Baltimore, Maryland to Hong Kong where family friends thought they got married because it was a ‘special place’ for them.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339202/Lindsay-Mills-Edward-Snowden-set-wed-fled-Hong-Kong-leak-NSA-secrets.html#ixzz2WQjXeg1A

    Travel is very broadening I think and our friend Lindsay is quite a broad.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  21. In that last photo, she’s definitely got the whole world in her hands. Or something.

    Elephant Stone (da6dfd)

  22. I must be missing something. A 7+, maybe an 8+ with the right pose, angles, light, and a great photographer.

    Something from several other stories there and there, I started to wonder if she was the bait for a Chinese intelligence penetration of NSA.

    htom (412a17)

  23. Oh I agree, she’s a high 7.

    Still, that ain’t bad.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  24. she got a lot going for her besides just how she looks i bet

    she seems like a genuinely sweet free-spirited person

    not super-easy to find them ones anymores

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  25. htom,

    The correct angle ? This girl doesn’t have any incorrect angles.

    She’s a ten.

    Elephant Stone (da6dfd)

  26. That’s my impression too, happyfeet. She seems to have chosen a very brave man as her love.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  27. A ten is a five that likes you.

    nk (875f57)

  28. Have there been any pics of them together?

    elissa (594c4d)

  29. In the Buzzfeed link, supposedly.

    narciso (3fec35)

  30. there’s one where they’re frolicking in water

    they’re young and in love and and as yet untroubled by the forces of fascism what are now conspiring to squelch their love in the name of american hijamiminy and nsa piggy boy privilege

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. and

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  32. Actually not so surprising, considering that using sex to troll for intel is a common tactic. Also, knowing the Asian mainland; dollars to donuts this girl when she was in HK or China was a “working girl” at night and a model, dancer, or something else during the day time. She may have been turned into an asset by the ChiComs after getting busted during a clean up sweep in the region and then told to work her charms after being “kicked” out of the country back to her home country. Only problem is that she didn’t snare any big fish; rather a small puffer fish.

    Charles (491f81)

  33. Elephant,

    Isn’t there a rule that a ‘Ten’ must have discernable boobs?

    …not that she is difficult to look at…but boobless babes are kinda like bald hoo-haas, certainly interesting but lacking their own unique character that sets them apart.

    MJN1957 (954939)

  34. omg you’re calling Lindsay a whore

    Charles just called Lindsay a whore

    I can’t believe you said that for one thing it’s massageyness plus also you have no evidence

    I’m very disappointed in you Charles

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  35. I must be missing something. A 7+, maybe an 8+ with the right pose, angles, light, and a great photographer.

    Any discerning Internet reader notices the unforgivable sharpness of her elbows.

    Patterico (6b7e88)

  36. Ha ha. Good one.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  37. Feets, you should forgive them for being rude and playful because it’s father’s day and they’re prolly all likkered up. But tomorrow is another day….

    elissa (594c4d)

  38. ok

    i forgive you charles

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  39. he reminders me of bobby vinton Mr. nk

    with a little twang

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  40. “35.omg you’re calling Lindsay a whore
    Charles just called Lindsay a whore
    I can’t believe you said that for one thing it’s massageyness plus also you have no evidence
    I’m very disappointed in you Charles
    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 6/16/2013 @ 9:03 pm ”

    Actually Happyfeet, over in Asia “whores” are low class women, the ones who hang out at the “buy-me-drink-joe” bars or are hostess at karoke bars. Most of the better women (if you can call them that) are “escorts” and they could be everything from high priced friends to go to dinner parties or be just arm candy at outings with or they could be other things that happens between consenting adults after spending some time together. Most of the Western girls (including Kiwis and Aussies) that I have meet in places like HK, Singapore and Japan who are escorts did so at night because the pay was a metric butt ton more then whatever they were earning in the daytime in glass ceiling jobs even if these women were better educated or trained than the male counterparts. Hell I met in Japan I met a lady who worked as a elementary teacher in the day time at a US establishment and at night was a Dominatrix who could earn US$10k a night after getting a call from a bored Japanese businessman. She was doing it to maintain a similar level of living standard that she did in the US compared to such a woman hating place like Japan.

    Also, I am not liquored up from father’s day. Rather a realist that after being around Asian countries for about 10 years at various times of my career. I have run across more then my fair share of women earning their spending/living money in Asia not as secretaries, teachers, or even business executives; rather as high paid friends. Completely different set of moral, civilization standards then here in the US or even in Europe. Some did do the duel thing as well; where by day they had some socially acceptable job and at night the escort thing. Sorry, but that is the truth.
    If you want to educate yourself about it all look for a book called “Invisible Trade” by a guy called Gerrie Lim. He documents all the levels of sex trade in Singapore primarily (but goes to HK and Japan as well in the companion book) and shows the differences in the world when we compare it to what is busted here in the USA for being a Madam.

    Charles (491f81)

  41. OH and having had to sit through more then a few “How to spot the spy” training regimes. The biggest thing they always told us about women approaching us was “If your a 5 and she is a 10, along with being really interested in your job; well lets just call a spade a spade huh?” The training also emphasized as well that 9 out of ten times that tactic is combined with booze; which is how that former Marine Clayton Lonetree was ensnared into a KGB spy ring. He was hit on by a pretty girl while at a bar. Ditto for a US Army Master Sargent who was stationed at the Moscow Embassy in the 1950s by the name of Roy Rhodes.

    Charles (491f81)

  42. we have lots of asian whores here in los angeles they run “massage parlors” and mostly just give hand jobs is what people say but i imagine if you flash enough cash you have a more expansie menu of options

    but they’re getting hit hard by the new IRS credit card reporting regulations is what my tax guy says… they offer a service a lot of people want even when they don’t have cash on hand you see

    there’s one of those places downstairs plus across the street from work

    it is a very gritty and urban lifestyle what i lead

    but still it’s shocking to see them even in burbank

    goodness gracious

    and don’t get me started on the scavenger peasant women what go through my garbage

    but they’re more subcontinental I think than asian asian

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  43. *expansive* menu i mean

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  44. Wow, happyfeet has found a new friend.

    SPQR (768505)

  45. Completely different set of moral, civilization standards then here in the US or even in Europe.

    You sound like one of those guys who fervently believes Asian daughters are sent to Geisha school. When one spends all of their time in the red light districts one has a very skewed view of what the moral standards are for the country as a whole.
    In case you hadn’t noticed during your travels there are quite a few European women in the bars now – particularly from Russia and the Ukraine. But I guess those white women are spreading the christian gospel or something…. the price of the drinks pays for a truckload of bibles I suppose.

    vor2 (99c347)

  46. Charles, I don’t doubt your experiences with the Western working girl in Asia but typically the Chinese don’t try to recruit non-Chinese. They just don’t think they can control them reliably. From what I’ve heard they have something like 2 million ethnic Chinese around the world working directly or indirectly for Chinese intelligence services.

    They try to turn someone of Chinese descent into a spy using a combination of methods such as playing on their ethnic loyalty or threats to family members still in China. The recent cases of Chi Mak, a Power Paragon (L3 Communications) engineer, and Dongfang Chung, a Boeing engineer, typify the usual Chinese style. Both were born in China. Once they turn them usually they’ll demand they find other ethnic Chinese they could exploit.

    Certainly if they don’t have other options and there’s something they need they’ll use sex to ensnare a non-Chinese foreigner (although they certainly will buy it if someone offers). The Chinese are actively spying all over the globe and sometimes the only significant Chinese population is their own embassy staff. But when they do use sex they use a Chinese girl who’s already been recruited. There’s a defense contractor in Hawaii awaiting trial for violating the Espionage Act by passing classified information to his Chinese national girlfriend that typifies that technique. And you called it; he’s 59 and she’s 27.

    I’ve never heard of them using a White foreign girl though. Of course there’s a first time for everything but I’d be stunned in that’s the case. What sort of leverage would they have on her to keep working for them once she left China, unlike a Chinese girl who knows her family is still in China?

    Steve57 (1ca8bb)

  47. I am sure I read she was a ballerina. I guess the news article wasn’t accurate.

    Too busy working on the house to keep up.

    New USA theme song as bumper music on Bill Bennett at this moment:
    Every Breath You Take/I’ll Be Watching You</i

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  48. Oh, and FWIW, I heard something about protests in Hong Kong supporting Snowden…
    what in the world do people in HK care about some guy from the USA who leaked NSA info??
    unless it is organized by someone

    Oh yeah, talk about plot twists, remember the Obama appointee whose hero was mao, and Obama’s comments idolizing China?
    I have no idea what any of it means, except that it is not reassuring.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  49. I’m thinking who needs the NSA?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  50. Just saw this on the internets:

    A plane is hijacked by terrorists. The leader is in the cockpit with the pilot. He demands that the pilot takes them to a free country or else he’ll blow up the plane.

    The pilot retorts, “This is an airliner, not a spaceship!”

    nk (875f57)

  51. I see that Rule 5 is still in good working order.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  52. Rule 5 is in December, PA. June is Rule 4.

    nk (875f57)

  53. Most sexist post. Ever.

    JD (04b3a3)

  54. Completely different set of moral, civilization standards then here in the US or even in Europe.

    Yet a sort of amorality, fostered by modern-day liberalism, seems to be more pervasive now than ever before, whether there in Asia or here in the West. So the distinctions are becoming watered down. That will become increasingly evident if the US, as one example, becomes more and more like a bigger version of Mexico, France, Greece and Argentina.

    A sense of feel-good self-entitlement combined with an addiction to the welfare state, layered with absurd amounts of political correctness (hi, Nidal Hasan!), all coated with the new religion of secularism (same-sex weddings in chapels and churches!), makes the world one big free-for-all.

    Mark (fcba4f)

  55. Most sexist post. Ever.

    What’s wrong with being sexy?

    Patterico (9c670f)

  56. Ya know, I was just saying to someone, just the other day, “Gee, I sure hope and wish and pray that a thread will come along that will literally bore the hell out of me.”

    Icy (d71f66)

  57. She’s pretty + she lived in China for six months = she’s a hooker.

    She’s pretty + she lived in China for six months + her boyfriend worked for the NSA + he ran off to Hong Kong = she’s a Chinese spy.

    Two and two equals five in the place with no light.

    I think Glenn Beck will have emails that reveal the real story on his show tonight. Snowden was blackmailed by Venezuela over the adoption of his pet guinea pig. It did not come from South America like he claimed but was bred in a pet farm in Dublin, Ohio.

    nk (875f57)

  58. What Snowden’s dog/cat said or did in last 6 months?

    blinded1 (0fec02)

  59. nk,
    so you’ve become a guinea pig birther, eh?

    Maybe you can get Donald Trump to put up some money for the guinea pig’s papers
    no, not the ones that line the cage

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  60. We don’t know; it’s gone missing; last seen in an alley where a hooker may have once walked.

    Icy (d71f66)

  61. The cat, that is.

    No info yet on the guinea pig. Surveillance drone is still making its way to the area.

    Icy (d71f66)

  62. A defecting intelligence officer and disappearing pretty girl friend with the near-naked truth posted on-line

    could it be a purposeful distraction, anyone??

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  63. Besides, it’s Booosh’s fault, he started it.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  64. Is that what they’re calling him now — an ‘intelligence officer’?

    Icy (d71f66)

  65. Icy-
    Picky, picky
    I was just trying to use a phrase that was interesting.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  66. Icy-
    and besides, you must be working for “them”, as you are trying to distract from the topic of distraction

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  67. Next, they’ll claim Snowden is the guy who dropped the ball on the Tsarnaev brothers.

    ropelight (4d3971)

  68. The media just LOVES to attach a face to the story.

    Icy (d71f66)

  69. Mr. MD, I make special wonton soup just for you!

    Icy (d71f66)

  70. you should make enough for everyone to share

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  71. They are reported to have left their apartmenmt in Hawaii for good on May 1. Took their belongings etc I assume.

    When does Snowden show up in Hong Kong? I think that was about May 20.

    Snowden’s girlfriend wrote about not having had a chance to say goodbye.

    http://reason.com/24-7/2013/06/11/edward-snowdens-girlfriend-devastated-by

    Lindsay Mills, 28, who described her boyfriend as “E” and her “man of mystery”, said: “My world has opened and closed all at once. Leaving me lost at sea without a compass.”

    Writing on her blog, she said: “As I type this on my tear-streaked keyboard I’m reflecting on all the faces that have graced my path. The ones I laughed with. The ones I’ve held. The one I’ve grown to love the most. And the ones I never got to bid adieu. But sometimes life doesn’t afford proper goodbyes.”

    Wait a second!!@

    It’s not Snowden she didn’t have a chance to say good bye too. It’s EVERYONE ELSE!

    I was fooled by the take that all the media outlets seemed to have on that.

    So it seems more likely he didn’t abandon her.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  72. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339202/Lindsay-Mills-Edward-Snowden-set-wed-fled-Hong-Kong-leak-NSA-secrets.html#ixzz2WQjXeg1A

    She wrote on a blog about romantic heartbreak after Snowden fled to Hong Kong

    Read that over.

    As I type this on my tear-streaked keyboard I’m reflecting on all the faces that have graced my path. The ones I laughed with. The ones I’ve held. The one I’ve grown to love the most. And the ones I never got to bid adieu. But sometimes life doesn’t afford proper goodbyes.

    Is she speaking about romantic heartbreak, in a vague way?

    Or is she apologizing to all her friends and the readers of her blog?

    Are

    A. “The one I’ve grown to love the most.” (singular)

    B. And the ones I never got to bid adieu.” (plural)

    the same?

    And can A even be included in the class that includes B?

    How could everybody get this so wrong??? For me, maybe OK, partial quotes, but the media, they reada the whole website.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  73. The following are all different categories:

    A. The ones I laughed with.

    B. The ones I’ve held.

    C. The one I’ve grown to love the most.

    D. And the ones I never got to bid adieu.

    Even if some people could fit in both categories,
    the word “And” right before it indicates that C is not included in D.

    And C is Edward Snowden. If she’s missing, she’s still with him.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  74. The tears are not about Snowden.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  75. Yes, China is just so adorable!

    The best cure for romantic communism is living under actual communism.

    Vaya con dios, kids.

    Patricia (be0117)

  76. On the otehr hand, she wrote:

    But at the moment all I can feel is alone. And for the first time in my life I feel strong enough to be on my own. Though I never imagined my hand would be so forced.

    Even if she is alone, she did get a chance to bid adieu.

    And she couldn’t be with him right away, in that hotel witn Snowden.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  77. It’s code, Sammy. I tried a simple substitution by matching the letters in the order they appear on page 28 of the 1976 edition of the Boy Scout Handcook, Navajo translation, translated them back into English, rearranged them into a random order and then again backwards and got

    bunchgreen onions, cut into 1/2-inch pieces, dividedfresh mushrooms, slicedpoundground porktablespoonsesame oiltablespoonsoy sauce
    eggcupdry bread cruonsteaspoonsaltteaspoonground black pepperpackagewonton wrapperscupschicken brothuncooked medium shrimp, peeled and deveined (optional)medium headbok choy, torn into 2-inch piecessnow peasdashsoy sauce, or to taste(optional)dashsesame oil, to taste (optional)

    She’s trying to tell us something but I can’t make out what. I can’t help but feel that important information was left out or … deleted.

    nk (875f57)

  78. 79. …She’s trying to tell us something but I can’t make out what. I can’t help but feel that important information was left out or … deleted.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 6/17/2013 @ 9:21 am

    Obviously she’s trying to tell us the pro-Snowden demonstrations were prompted by an obscure anti-Chinese video a low-level NSA employee produced and posted on YouTube.

    Steve57 (1ca8bb)

  79. “It’s code, Sammy. I tried a simple substitution by matching the letters in the order they appear on page 28 of the 1976 edition of the Boy Scout Handcook, Navajo translation, translated them back into English, rearranged them into a random order and then again backwards and got”

    nk – A good attempt. Try one or two steps further rearranging the letters in reverse alphabetic order by height from tallest to shortest.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  80. SOOPER SEKRIT CODE

    JD (04b3a3)

  81. She could use a tan. But that’s easily fixed.

    Urinate, but if your tits were bigger you’d be a ten.

    I’m sorry. About the poor timing.
    I should have posted that earlier in the discussion, before Pat dropped the “bunch of fat pimpily faced doofusses sitting in front of your computers” bomb.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  82. Reminds me of participating in a trivia contest recently.

    The question was “Where do women have the curliest hair?”

    BAM, I slammed down the answer button.

    How was I to know they were looking for a country?

    The correct answer was Fiji.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)


  83. Completely different set of moral, civilization standards then here in the US or even in Europe.

    You sound like one of those guys who fervently believes Asian daughters are sent to Geisha school. When one spends all of their time in the red light districts one has a very skewed view of what the moral standards are for the country as a whole.
    In case you hadn’t noticed during your travels there are quite a few European women in the bars now – particularly from Russia and the Ukraine. But I guess those white women are spreading the christian gospel or something…. the price of the drinks pays for a truckload of bibles I suppose.

    Comment by vor2 (99c347) — 6/17/2013 @ 12:59 am”

    Well VOR2, actually I am not expecting that the Asian beauties be Geishas. Rather, since it is now 2013 and when I visited places like HK, Singapore, Tokyo, Kobe, Pusan, Kuala Lumpar; I did expect to see some of the same job opportunities for women like most Western women enjoy from the 1st and 2nd wave of feminism. Not specialized train cars in both China and Japan that are supposed to be grope/rape free zones via being man free zones. Ditto for walking into some of the orphanages in both Korea and Mainland China seeing them well stocked with girl children dropped off because of either policy or girls not being useful to the family.
    So that is where I get my view of their social, ethical and moral changes vs Western World.

    As to the Ukraine or Eastern European girls working the bars not only in Europe and Asian, but also the Mid-East. I am not a complete idiot and I know that most of them could easily be considered “Trafficked Persons”; that said most of them are too afraid to speak out against the hustlers and controllers.

    Charles (491f81)

  84. So that is where I get my view of their social, ethical and moral changes vs Western World.

    But I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express…/sarc

    vor2 (e1a38e)

  85. I’m sorry, Charles, but we are not allowed to criticize cultures which do not have even a vestige of the concepts of individual rights or human dignity in their gene pools, who practice infanticide and child slavery, and who eat dog penises and snakes deep fried alive. It gives vor2 the vapors.

    nk (875f57)

  86. China does have a brutal history, besides Mao’s rampage, you have the civil war, in the 20s and 30s, and if you go back to the 19th Century, the Taiping rebellion, that had nearly as bloody a body count.

    narciso (3fec35)

  87. It was birthed that way. When Chin invaded Zhao during the unification around 400 BC, Chin induced Zhao to surrender by promising not to kill the survivors. They kept their word. They did not kill them. They only buried them alive. It was not Chin’s faut if Zhao had not perfected the ancient Taoist art of breathing under dirt.

    nk (875f57)

  88. My prediction for Snowden. China will milk all the publicity value and information it can get from him while juggling its diplomatic relations with the US. When our State Department gets around to revoking his passport, China will give him notice to leave. If Snowden gets a transit letter from another country that needs the headache, he will go there. Otherwise he will be surrendered to the US, by the Chinese, when his deportation notice expires, not as extradition but as repatration of an undocumented foreigner.

    nk (875f57)

  89. NK,

    Oh thanks for explaining the rules to me. I forgot in this post racial America that we still can’t critique those of different cultures. I have also forgotten that in this 21st century America and its super strong economy, that most everyone has visit a country in Asia with travel away from the big city (really important in Potemkin style places like Shanghai China) and seen the real culture. Oh wait my bad, most people consider going to the “international district” or “Chinatown” during the Chinese New Year celebration the same thing and that going to an authentic Chinese or even Japanese restaurant is the same thing as getting the culture. Even if more then likely the owners and staff are Korean. Most American don’t know and even the hipsters don’t know even when they put on the airs of knowledge (because they have seen some travelogue by a cable food star).

    Oh and VOR2, Ruth Benedict called she wants her “all of Western civilization is a crock” attitude back.

    Charles (491f81)

  90. So that is where I get my view of their social, ethical and moral changes vs Western World.

    But the West increasingly is becoming so secularized and leftwing — sort of symbolized by the abortion doctor in Philly or the various people who are philosophically more bothered by the idea that two guys can’t get married than the specter of adult males molesting young males (hello, ancient Greece!) — that the phrase “hey, look in the mirror” comes to mind.

    That someone like an Obama garners quite a bit of positive reaction throughout that secularized, left-ized West is another sign of the proverbial canary in the coal mine.

    Moreover, if corrupt, dysfunctional Mexico is a glimpse into the US of the future, and if it’s sort of an off-shoot of the Western World, then amorality is a condition that affects humans everywhere and anywhere.

    Another thing to keep in mind: It wasn’t that long ago that parts of Western Europe would actually declare war on one another (in fact, twice during the first half of the 20th century). Over 60 years later — which is but a blink of the eye in the overall time scheme — the thought of the socio-political conditions triggering such a situation all over again seems remote and alien. Europe instead is passive in light of the reality of Islamicization within its borders. The ethos of political correctness run amok—and in the US, hello, Nidal Hasan!). So a big part of the West is strangely more decadent today and, at the same time, oddly more feckless too.

    Mark (19cca2)

  91. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2013 @ 1:33 pm

    Try one or two steps further rearranging the letters in reverse alphabetic order by height from tallest to shortest.

    Well if you take the name:

    FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT

    and rearrange the letters you get:

    VOTE FOR LANDON ERE ALL SINK

    That was known for years, as well as:

    KEEN VOTER IS ALL FOR LANDON

    But in 1980, I discovered, it could also be rearranged into:

    IN RE LANDON: REVOKE, ALF LOST

    I mailed a letter about that (the last anagram) to Alf Landon in 1987, and I got back a letter saying it had been read to him.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  92. She wrote:

    But at the moment all I can feel is alone.

    Only at the moment.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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