Boston Bombings: Open Thread
As I write this, there is a press conference happening. Deval Patrick says there were no unexploded devices, and the number of injured exceeds 150. Other than that, the press conference is uninformative.
The boy who was killed was waiting to hug his dad at the finish line.
That raid on a Revere apartment I mentioned last night apparently related to the Saudi national who had been detained. However:
UPDATE: @frantownsend reports Saudi individual questioned after #Bostonmarathon bomb blasts is very cooperative; not a suspect at this point
— NewsBreaker (@NewsBreaker) April 16, 2013
Also, what we had heard about ball bearings yesterday was (like many other reports) apparently wrong:
CNN’s Townsend also reports does not appear any ball bearings have been found-device was placed in a trash can creating shrapnel injuries
— PCNN (@PCNN) April 16, 2013
The best (and hardest) thing to do is just not jump to conclusions, about anything.
Hopefully JD can post on any breaking news.
Patterico (9c670f) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:22 amWe are so unbelievably fortunate that only three people are dead. That is no consolation to their families, but so many people would have died in other circumstances. (One of my friends lost a family member – that darling 8-year-old boy.)
The runners coming through at the time were mostly on charity bibs (they do not have to time-qualify to participate; they raise money instead). The same spirit that compels them to run 26.2 miles to raise money for Children’s Hospital or St. Francis House enabled them to help out people who otherwise would have died. They ripped off their own clothes to use as tourniquets on wounds, kept running to the hospital, and carried wounded.
Marathons are brutal on the body (last year’s marathon was a mass casualty event, swamping out the hospitals in the suburbs – people didn’t even make it to Boston), so there were loads of medical personnel around. With 27,000 runners, you need lots of doctors, nurses, and EMTs. The BAA also gives priority to volunteers who know CPR and are First Aid certified.
Then there’s National Guard, ROTC, etc., who walk the course in full gear, who were downtown.
Thinking back, I don’t think you could plan to hit an area that was more chock-full of people ready to help out those in need.
bridget (84c06f) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:30 amThe Doctor at the Mass General press conference just said that most of the shrapnel, largely nails, were from the bomb itself and not from environmental factors.
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:32 amThe doctor at the Massachusetts General Hospital news conference said the victims he saw had 20-40 pellets and sharp objects (that he thought were nails) in their bodies. He wasn’t sure but he thought the objects came from the bombs.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:34 amThe doctor is the chief of surgery.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:35 amThe doctor thinks the metal fragments came from the bombs because there were so many pieces in the victims’ bodies and they were so similar.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:38 amDRJ, he identified himself as Dr Velmahos, Chief of Trauma Surgery.
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:39 amHigh explosives create incredible heat and may very well form molten metal into globules or blisters. You see it on the edges of acetylene welds or cuts, for example. The “BB”s seen on the X-ray will need to be examined more closely.
nk (d4662f) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:40 amThey’ve made “not a suspect” so meaningless that even if innocent, the poor fellow is still not clear. Running away from the primary bomb blast after having been hurt does seem to me the opposite of suspicious, though, unless there were more to implicate.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:45 amNK, Today I learned bombs make their own ball-bearings.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:46 amYou really mean to not act like liberals and jump to biased conclusions.
Still, after watching the back patting Boston FBI presser this morning, one wonders when this story will be “Gosnelled” if it is an act of terrorism by the usual jihadist suspects.
cedarhill (545116) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:47 amAnd people who make excuses for terrorists will attempt to pretend the trauma doctor who said he dug what looked like nails out of the victim’s bodies was wrong and were actually only “BBs” inadvertently resulting from hot metal blisters and acetylene welds. Sheesh!
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:52 amMy lefty friends still insist that Patriot Day plus Tax-day is 2+2. To me, it seems like not a very tax-protesty type of target, although who knows what might run through the minds of superkooks living on acorns and salamanders in the woods.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:58 am10.NK, Today I learned bombs make their own ball-bearings.
It’s nothing new. The principle of the bazooka is that its shaped charge will melt the tank armor at the point of impact and send the molten metal into the tank compartment. Like all liquids, the molten metal will tend to form a globular shape as it travels through the air. You can do it safely with water — see if you get droplets from your garden hose.
nk (d4662f) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:58 amThen why hit only Boston? Why not throw a few bombs on the battle green of Lexington? There’s always a lot of tours there on Patriot’s Day. State office buildings are closed, but surely, if you wanted to make a tax point, you could place something in front of the Mass DOR building, or in front of the State House.
As for the contents of the bombs: I’m not a doctor, nor am I into figuring out what bombs are made out of, but wouldn’t they first have to dig these things out of people’s bodies, then pick up everything at the scene, and start to determine what came from where? Isn’t it a bit early to figure out where thousands of pieces of shrapnel came from?
bridget (84c06f) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:07 amWell, since libs are jumping to anti-Tea-Party conclusions, let me offer my own unfair jump to conclusions.
What is a marathon? A celebration of athleticism and good health. Two things Michael Moore hates.
So maybe HE was behind it!
of course that is silly, but not very much more than Chris Matthews’ silliness.
To non-ideologically and non-jokingly speculate, the simultaneous explosions are a hallmark of AQ attacks. But there is no law or rule that prevents others from doing the same thing. So it could easily be someone else.
Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:22 amI will add that media-savy attacks like this is also typical of AQ, but again, that doesn’t prove anything.
Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:23 amDear Senator Toomey. Earlier I wrote that I trust you not to back a bad bill. My trust was misplaced. I’m sure your heart is in the right place, and you really meant this bill to protect and strengthen gun-owners’ rights. You were snookered. But that will be cold comfort to the poor bugger who will be faced with doing time if your amendment passes, if only because his lawyer will correctly advise him that the risk of conviction is too high for him to turn down the prosecutor’s offered plea bargain. When that happens you won’t be there in the interview room, telling them that’s not what Congress meant. And you won’t be the one with the conviction on his record, that will then be used as a reason to deny him the right to bear arms.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:29 amSenator Toomey, I’m disappointed.
Video of the event shows people running toward the explosion, rushing to help the wounded, so the Saudi running away from the blast does look suspicious.
Since the Saudi is fully cooperative and denies involvement I don’t think he’s the one who did it. Muslims are usually proud of their terror attacks. “Allah ackbar!” and all that kind of thing.
CrustyB (69f730) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:29 amA marathon is Greek. I accuse nk.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:31 amSurely not everyone was running toward the explosion. Running away is natural, and not being a hero is not suspicious. Especially if one is wounded.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:33 amAccording to some in the MSM, it was right wingers.
Just goes to show how ignorant and polarized our nation is.#sad
Kevin P. (1df29c) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:58 amHuffington Post: Bombs were in pressure cookers in black duffel bags.
I have no idea if this report is reliable.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:20 amAlso, it contained “shards of metal, nails, and ball bearings.”
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:21 amThe guy may be “cooperative” but he’s not free to go and they got a search warrant for his home.The MFM want this to not be an Islamic guy they’re shading the facts.
Bugg (b32862) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:22 amUPDATE: @FranTownsend reports Saudi individual questioned after #Bostonmarathon bomb blasts is very cooperative; not a suspect at this point
1:17 PM – 16 Apr 13
How can that be posted at 1:17 pm on April 16, 2013, when right now, on the East Coast, it is just 12:21 pm and yoiu left the post at 7:11 PDT = 10:11 EDT. Is Twitter on Greenwich Mean time?
That would mean 9:17 am EDT.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:23 amHis being not a suspect could be interpreted any num,ber of ways.
What’s hard to figure out is him fleeing after the first bomb, and being guilty. His fleeing, and possibly manner of acting before, might show some inside knowledge, but at the same time a participant in the plot wouldn’t be taken by surprise like that, and flee.
I can think of two possibilities, where this couild make sense and he could have some knowledge:
1) He suddenly realized that the package(s) were bombs, instead of maybe – what, hidden cameras.
2) He suddenly realized that the timers were off. and he’d stayed there to notify somebody else, or see for himself, in case the bombs were discovered before they went off.
3) He suddenly realized he’d been lied to about when they would explode.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:27 amIt’s way too early to come to any conclusions about the Saudi, one way or the other. On the surface he sure as hell looks like a person of interest and he fits the Islamic terrorist profile to a T: young, student visa, at the scene, injured in the blast, noticed acting suspiciously, apprehended running away by bystanders.
And, don’t forget this Administration has a track record of coddling terrorists. Remember all the kid gloves treatment for the Underwear Bomber and the refusal to call Major Nidal Hasan’s bloodthirsty attack at Fort Hood anything but an incident of workplace violence, even though he was a follower of Anwar al-Awlaki and was yelling Allahu Akbar as he murdered US soldiers at Fort Hood.
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:28 amComment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:33 am
Surely not everyone was running toward the explosion. Running away is natural, and not being a hero is not suspicious. Especially if one is wounded.
He ran too soon (in the opinion of the person who chased after him)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:29 amMarathon was a victory of the Greeks over the Persians. Think about it.
Pious Agnostic (6ff605) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:38 amWe keep hearing from left wing scum such as Chris Matthews and David Axelrod that yesterday was “Tax Day,” implying it could have been the impetus for the attack.
What I want to know is, when did the jihadists become so animated about “Tax Day” ??!
Elephant Stone (8a7f08) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:40 am8. Comment by nk (d4662f) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:40 am
High explosives create incredible heat and may very well form molten metal into globules or blisters. You see it on the edges of acetylene welds or cuts, for example. The “BB”s seen on the X-ray will need to be examined more closely.
Yes, they were saying some things “appear” to be ball bearings. So maybe that’s a mistake. It’s a wuestion of what went into this bomb. But also maybe the doctors in the hospitals found real ball bearings.
Earlier the “shrapnel” was said be material from the scene. But later there was a report of shrapnel.
Most injuries were to the lower part of the body. The scene was strewn with amputated limbs, mostly legs. A few legs were amputated in the hospitals.
John Miller or Bob Orr of CBS said last evening that there would be three kinds of injuries:
First, from the blast pressure.
Second, if the bomb had any shrapnel – nails etc -in it, injuries from that. It didn’t sound
like there was much – at least they were saying few dead at the scene.
Third, there is injury from sucking – after the initial blast. A day or two later, people would come into hospitals with traumatic brain
injuries, problems with balance. This sort of thing had happened with explosions in Iraq.
The New York Post had 12 dead as late as 8:45 pm or so last night but the printed papoer today said “At least 3 slain” The number of wounded has kept going up – it’s now 176. 15 to 20 are critical. Earlier I heard 20.
Most of the injuries of people in hospitals were
1) Burst eardrums
2) Lacerations and
3) Fractures.
Some people had traumatic amputations at the scene.
One of the dead was an 8-year old boy. One source had it as a girl.
The EMT peole had trouble getting to the wounded becaus ethe bombs exploded behid the security.
There was a medical tent for the runners there. Some runners used their shirts as tourniquets. There was lots of blood.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:42 amAs to him not being called a “suspect” entirely possible as in any criminal investigation being coy with a suspect as long as possible gives the investigators the chance to talk to him without advising him of his right to counsel. The FBI and Boston PD are probably milking him for as much data and background as they can as they verify what details he has given. The second you classify him as suspect or charge him, he has to be told about his Miranda rights and his right to counsel. If the investigators didn’t have some basis for a search warrant they might not have gotten one in the first place. Doubt any judge would deny them in this istaution veen on a thin reed ofd evidence, but they did not search with this guy’s consent either. Apparently CNN either doens’t have any people with legal or law enforcement backgrounds or are simply idiots.
Bugg (b32862) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:44 amhttp://bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/2013/04/16/boston-doctors-ball-bearings-nails-removed-from-patients-from-marathon/4SzxUrTHZcpzLSCcc7OobI/story.html
The pellets were pea sized.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/boston-marathon-bomber-loose-authorities-race-clues/story?id=18966117
ABC video. Carpenter nails and small ball bearings maybe.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/16/some-areas-downtown-boston-reopen-today-boston-marathon-bombing-investigation-continues/MiyV94Jle1LoBFHFhkW2NJ/story.html
They could be pellets, or nails. Not clear precisely what they were but some metal pieces were in the bomb. The FBI had no comment about the content of the bombs.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:50 amhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-bombings-nurses/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 9:59 amhttp://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20130416-report-boston-bombs-were-in-pressure-cookers-loaded-with-metal-ball-bearings.ece
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:17 amEileen Sullivan of the Associated Press reports that one of the pressure cooker bombs contained metal shards and ball bearings, and the other bomb contained nails.
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:32 amApparently even President Obama is willing to speculate that this was a right-wing plot.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:42 amIt was also Israeli Independence Day.
It fell on April 15th this year but when it falls on a Monday you hold the celebration on April 16.
I find that much more likely than any Tax day protest situation. It’s well known as a target date in Israel.
luagha (5cbe06) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:49 amApparently Steny Hoyer thinks the attack is proof the sequester has hampered our intelligence ability.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:56 amThis attack is proof that we need to facillitate more trash can restrictions, as well as backpack registration.
Elephant Stone (8a7f08) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:57 amDRJ – Has MSNBC had Bill Ayers on yet as a subject matter expert?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:58 amAnd that opinion is worth…exactly nothing. How the hell does some random person become an expert on exactly how soon people should run?
Milhouse (592f2a) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:32 amSomeone might want to ask Democrat Whip Steny Hoyer why he voted against HR5652, The Sequester Replacement Act of 2012, or against HR5855, The Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act for 2013.
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:35 amThere isn’t anything funny about this topic, daleyrocks, although your comment was.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:41 amI thought yesterday was the running of the Boston Marathon, and that was seen as a likely target.
If it was about tax day, then maybe it would have been where most of the taxes go, like DC or something.
Perhaps it was done by a maker of indoor ellipse running machines to discourage outdoor running and boost profits.
Maybe it was done by CPU* radicals (“Couch Potatoes United) who were offended by all of the non-CPU’ers.
Apparently Steny Hoyer thinks the attack is proof the sequester has hampered our intelligence ability.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:50 amComment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:56 am
our intelligence ability was hampered long before the sequester…
Comment by Milhouse (592f2a) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:32 am
Well, if he started running 10 seconds before the bomb went off it would have been a little suspicious.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:52 amPressure cookers, based on today’s misinformation, are evil and may go off by themselves. The nonsuspect is still in custody rather than free to leave. Also as Obama has now said twice we must wring our hands and don hairshirts to find out why who ever did this did it. America -BAD!
Bugg (b32862) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:57 amComment by luagha (5cbe06) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:49 am
It was also Israeli Independence Day.
It fell on April 15th this year but when it falls on a Monday you hold the celebration on April 16.
Well, that’s a long story.
Both Yom HaShoa (translated as Holocaust remembrance day) and Yom Ha’Atmaut (Israeli independence Day) were originally set on specific dates in the Jewish calendar – Yom Hashoa on the 27th day of Nisan, in the week after Passover, and Israeli independence Day on the 5th of Iyar, exactly one day and one week after Yom Hashoa.
There was religious opposition to setting what was basically a mourning day in the month of Nisan, when penitential prayers are not supposed to be said, but the people in charge wanted to commemorate or link this to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which actually took place on the first day of Passover (by the way the time when Esther fasted is understood to be Passover) and they are not going to hold it on Passover, and a week later it would conflict with Israeli Independence day and they weren’t going to go 3 weeks out or more.
Why the 27th of Nisan particularly? I think the 27th of Nisan was selected because it is the only date within a week that both can never come ouit on Shabbos (Saturday) and only rarely will it come out on a Friday.
The 5th of Iyar happened to fall on a day in the Jewish calendar that can come out on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday and rarely, on Saturday.
Originally when it came out on Saturday, they pushed it back to Friday, if I am right. But this was only in 1950 and 1954 and I think next in 1974.
Some 15 years ago they began to realize that these were not ancient holidays, and still less not Biblical, and they didn’t have any kind of a Rabbinical basis for them dating from the time when Jewish authorities could set new laws, and so they could set the date on any date they wanted to, and besides some fast days are moved.
They didn’t have to be on the 27th of Nisan and the 5th of Iyar all the time..
So what there is now is that Yom Hashoa, which could come out on a Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday or rarely, on a Friday is no longer observed on a Sunday but it is always postponed to Monday (because in Israel people could make preparation on the Jewish Sabbath because some observances are the previous night) when it falls out on a Sunday, and it is not allowed to come out on Friday either, but oushed back to Thursday.
And Israeli Independence day, which you might think could come out on a Monday, Wednesday Friday and, rarely, on Saturday now is not observed on the right day except when it is Wednesday (in years when Rosh Hashonah will be on a Saturday)
If it comes out on Saturday or Friday it is pushed back to Thursday and if it comes out on Monday it is pushed ahead to Tuesday. The reason it is pushed ahead to Tuesday is this: Israel established Yom Hazikoron – a day of remembrance for fallen soldiers, on the day before Israeli Independenmce Day. I think it happened by accident. Nobody decided to have such a day the day before. I think it happened the first year.
Now this would be like having Memorial day on July 3 in the United States, but that is what it is. (actually the US has 2 Memorial days – the end of May and November 11)
Now some observanaces of Yom Hazikoron are the night before. Having it come out on Sunday wouild mean Saturday night – that would mean preparations on Shabbat so they pushed it ahead to Monday and therefore pushed Yom Haatzmaut to Tuesday!
But on many Jewish calendars, especially those printed outside of Israel, it is still says Israeli Independence Day is the 5th of Iyar – Monday April 15 this year.
It won’t come out on the proper date again until the year 2020.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:00 pmMilhous: Well, if he started running 10 seconds before the bomb went off it would have been a little suspicious.
He somehow knew, or suspected very strongly, there would be a second bomb.
Otherwise, you don’t run, at most, you walk. And he may not have taken any time to think.
But while this might be consistent with knowledge, it is not quite so consistent with guilt, except maybe in some special scenarios.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:03 pmComment by Milhouse (592f2a) — 4/16/2013 @ 11:32 am
How the hell does some random person become an expert on exactly how soon people should run?
By being there. Once he had tackled him, the police arrested him.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:05 pmJim Holt has some interesting pictures that MAY show the creature who dropped the backpack up where the 8 year old was killed and his mother and sister severely injured.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/is-this-the-bomber-man-with-black-backpack-before-bombing-then-without-backpack-moments-before-blast/ I’m not so sure the pictures show what is described.
(And the guy looks a lot like the pictures Pamela found and posted on Atlas as well as pictures on Gateway. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/photos-of-saudi-national-person-of-interest-in-boston-custody/)
So, he may have been tackled after dropping the backpack.
He is reportedly badly burned on his legs. So any tackler BEFORE the burst likely would also be badly injured. So that suggests somebody tackled him after the burst. On yet another paw, that would require somebody close by the attack to be really alert rather than stunned. So the situation is very fluid.
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JDow (1a2024) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:10 pmThere had been a condenser explosion a year ago on that street.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/boston-massacre-article-1.1317717
But this guy, right away he knows it’s a bomb – and what’s more, he runs for his life because he’s afraid of a second bomb!
Of course some poeople just have better instincts than others or the right instincts – in fact one runner did run off the course onto a side street.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:11 pmAs someone said in a comment in one of the linked web pages, this could be Richard Jewell territory.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:14 pmCBS had several reporters there, because this was a sporting event, but it took several hours to get anyone on the air.
This was probably mostly known in Boston. I looked at the Sports pages of the New York
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:22 pmTimes of Monday, April 15. 2013 and there is not one word about the Boston Marathon.
Local news said nothing for ten minutes. It took a few minutes.
ABC News had a computer breaking news update at 3:11 pm.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:24 pmNobody has claimed responsibility _ I think that has gone out of fasshion actually – but the Pakistani Taliban has issued a claim of non-responsibility saying that, in spite of threats they had made against the United States, they didn’t do it.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:26 pmThis was completely off the radar screen. No warning. It took one hour for any federal invbestigator to get to the scene. Then, they overreacted.
People were wandering around with automatic machine guns or whatever. Not regular people in Boston. Not the Boston police. But FBI and other
SWAt teams. Michael Savage said they were collecting overtime. He recalled a bank robbery in San Francisco done with a water pistol,
after which the bank was in lockdown for six hours. (even after they knew it was a water pistol I assume)
They shut off cell towers against the possibility
there were more bombs that would be triggered by a cell phone call.
They sealed off the area. Probably checking every abandoned package to see if it is a bomb. It seems like lots of people thought they had found and defused one. the location of the non-bomb is on a map on page 10 of the New York Post.
The first bomb exploded at the finish line. The second bomb exploded 12 to 15 seconds later – some person at the scene estimated 20 seconds,
but time always seems longer to people going through it – and it’s on tape – people should know.
The third bomb, which did not explode, was first reported as also at the finish line. Later by the medical tent. They were going back and forth about a fourth bomb – going back to 3 even after 4 had been said, so I presume this bomb was exploded – and they are not announcing very much. That “bomb” was detonated.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:31 pmAccording to the New York Times, pressure cookers have been widely used in bombs in Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan, or we can add, by people trained there, like Faisal Shahzad, who tried a car-bomb attack on Times Square in 2010.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:44 pmNewton, Connecticut massacre connection:
President Obama had given tickets or helped arrange tickets to the event for the Newton, Connecticut families involved in lobbying
Congress for the gun bill. They were seated behind the reviewing stand. It is, or was,
unknmown if any of them were injured.
There was a special marker at the 26 mile mark with the city seal surrounded by 26 stars, 26 seconds of silence before the race and a special Newtown running team.
One Newton runner was about 3/4 of a mile away from the finish – she suddenly saw runners running back the way they came.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:48 pmSammy, they did not shut off cell phone service. It simply saturated and gave the effect of being shut off or jammed. Actually “jammed” fits the description well, it was a distributed DoS attack committed innocently by all the people trying to dial 911 or relatives.
It appears the Saudi fellow is off the hook, for now. There is a limit on the amount of time he can be detained without formalities. That has passed. Whether he is well enough to leave the hospital is up for grabs. There’s no word on that.
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JDow (1a2024) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:48 pmPresident Obama apparently spent all the time yesterday from 3 PM to 5:30 receiving briefings, and then he spoke to Boehner the Speaker of the House and other members of Congress. He went
on national TV at 6:10 pm.
He avoided using the word terrorism. Some people noticed – he avoided labeling it in any way. He said we will find out who did it and why they did it. He said the investigation is “still” going on. That sounds like they almost had a conclusion. Otherwise you should say “it is still very early in the investigation.”
Also he should say “we are determined to
find out” Otherwise he is making a promise he may not be able to keep but probably he doesn’t care about that.
Quietly his people let reporters know that he did consider this an act of terrorism (it is, by definition, regardless of motive or
perpetrator like they said about Bengazi) and Attorney General Eric Holder used the word terrorism. But Obama is careful about what he says himself
This morning, Obama did call it an act of terror and used specifically that argument – that by definition this was an act of terror.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/transcript-obama-update-boston-bombings-article-1.1318215
See? Just like Jay Carney said about Benghazi during the election campaign.
I guess he thinks he is on really safe ground saying this is an act of terror.
By the way, when he mentioned that the FVFBI was investigating it as an act of terror it sounded like somebody in the government had had to write a 3 page memo explaining why the FBI had juriosdiction.
President Obama said it could be international, domestic, or one person acting all by himself, (like Ted Kacynzski.) (paraphrasing)
More exactly:
Who could argue with that?
But then he goes out on a limb:
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:02 pmAnd this is a good time for all of us to remember that we all have a part to play in alerting authorities — if you see something suspicious, speak up.
No, that’s terrible, most of the time. That’s what happened with the Washington area sniper(s)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:04 pmEither Bob Orr or John Miller said on CBS last night that what they would do is look for pieces of an exploded bomb – they are quite good
now at putting exploded bombs together.
Look at the furthest distance they find a piece – a wire for instance – and then multiply by 3.
But in this case I thought they have one compleet unexploded bomb! Bit apparently that was just another package they took away. Maybe somebody thouyght there a bomb inside, but there wasn’t. Or will that be modified too?
They would look to see if someone left a fingerprint on a piece of tape or a hair
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:06 pmfell in from the bomb builder that the bomb builder didn’t know about from which they could get DNA. I think they can get DNA now from
tape, and many other things. The DNA is only useful if you have something to check it with although there is this relative search. But also, they’d look at the bomb components – a lot of things might only be sold in a few places – or there might be only a few places you’d get them all. Maybe serial numbers.
Apparently Steny Hoyer thinks the attack is proof the sequester has hampered our intelligence ability.
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:56 am
— In his case, it appears to be true.
Icy (7656a7) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:09 pmI think someone would have already taken credit for this attack if it were the act of Al Qaeda or one of its offshoots.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:10 pmI think his problems started before the sequester, Icy.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:11 pmI find that much more likely than any Tax day protest situation. It’s well known as a target date in Israel.
Comment by luagha (5cbe06) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:49 am
— If true, then these persons got very lost on their way to Jerusalem.
They should have turned left at Albuquerque.
Icy (7656a7) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:17 pmI know the attention is off the Saudi student hit by shrapnel and tackled.
But in addition to prior modus operandi indications, we now have Afghanistan-born IED design and photos of prime suspect that still fit the model. Could be a Turk, Syrian, Iranian, Saudi, Moroccan, Libyan, Chechen, Ingushetian, Azerbijani, Ossetian,…
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:20 pm51. When everyone else is frozen in shock, wiping flesh off themselves or pulling off their belt to apply pressure.
Sounds good to me.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:24 pmNo, they didn’t. I’m informed by someone who consulted terrorism experts that terrorist consider cellular detonators unreliable and don’t use them.
I thought today they were saying there were only two
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:32 pmFrom Tam K.
SPQR (768505) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:42 pmThere’s some weasel wording going on. On the report I watched the Boston spox said there are no undetenated devices. Which leaves the door wide open for additional explosive devices possibly found and detonated by the authorities.
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:50 pm68. Yeah, and those wacky terrorists disregarded the Michael Moore rule too!
luagha (5cbe06) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:52 pmMilhouse:
Initial reports said there were 2 bombs and 3 undetonated devices but, according to the WSJ, that was corrected yesterday:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:58 pmSorry. Here is the WSJ link. The link function hasn’t been working for me recently and I have to add the links manually.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:59 pmThe link function hasn’t been working for me recently and I have to add the links manually.
We’re all in the same boat with that , DRJ.
JVW (4826a9) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:14 pmDRJ and others–I mega linked last night on here with no apparent trouble. This is what I do. On a separate screen I select and copy the desired link to the article that is currently on my browser address line –either using the right click copy function or hitting ctrl c. Then I go down to the comment box on Patterico site and post the link with either right click Paste or ctrl v.
Maybe I just got lucky or maybe am using a different system or device than those of you experiencing problems are, but—
Here’ Ill do one now.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-irs-chief-says-combating-tax-fraud-could-delay-refunds-20130416,0,7520639.story
elissa (31efb3) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:27 pmThe link function hasn’t been working for me recently and I have to add the links manually.
Try using Firefox.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:28 pmNot working in Firefox v20 for Mac OS X.
JVW (4826a9) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:33 pmIt seems or seemSecond Boston Marathon bombing victim identified as 29-year-old womaned to me to be much harder using a later version of Internet Explorer – I could not go back to the other web page to cut and paste, but worked very with Firefox the other day
Seems to work OK.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:33 pmI think what I did wrong there was not watch where the link was going.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:34 pmThe Wall Street Journal reported today that WSJ _ they have tripwires. None were triggered this time.
The Najibullah Zazi plot, where he bought hydrogen peroxide also did not trigger a
tripwire, but he was caught because of international wiretaps.
But while Faisal Shahzad (the Times Square car bomber) was not caught that way but knowledge of the existence of this caused him to avoid using certain more powerful materials – and then he didn’t know how to make a bomb)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:41 pmR.I.P. Pat Summerall
Icy (075d3c) — 4/16/2013 @ 2:52 pmMy problems with linking, in case you’ve noticed some, are with Windows Explorer, never with Rico’s site.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/16/2013 @ 3:06 pmRicin-letter mailed to Miss. Senator…
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/roger-wicker-letter-ricin-90171.html?hp=t3_3
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 3:50 pmPeople are definitely on edge. This may be absolutely nothing, but kind of interesting–
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-men-removed-from-united-flight-from-boston-to-chicago-20130416,0,2819138.story
elissa (31efb3) — 4/16/2013 @ 3:53 pmI couldn’t add links the elegant way yesterday, and can’t today. Any link entered into the http box becomes the letter “a” and that’s all she wrote.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 3:55 pmOf course just putting the full link in the comment box works. It does cut down on surprises.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 3:56 pmComment by ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 1:50 pm
Hmmm, ropelight. I had wondered if that might have been a parse. Do you think it is? So hard to get a straight story from any source.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 3:58 pmAs the elite runners were on the tarmac awaiting take-off, the true Patriots were still running, these are the working class running for a charity.
mg (31009b) — 4/16/2013 @ 3:59 pmA sick hateful people are living amongst us.
How to do links without the fancy linky box: Type <a href=”http://whatever.com/wherever”>Text that we should click on</a>. That’s all.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:00 pmOops, let’s try that again, without the typo.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:01 pmHow to do links without the fancy linky box: Type <a href=”http://whatever.com/wherever”>Text that we should click on</a>. That’s all.
I use Firefox and the link function doesn’t work for me.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:07 pmComment by JDow (1a2024) — 4/16/2013 @ 12:10 pm
The Saudi at the second link is just an itty-bitty little thing, isn’t he.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:10 pmHeck of a job, Barack:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:13 pmFrom the link:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:14 pmWhat did Obama do to cause this bombing to happen during his Administration ?
Elephant Stone (8a7f08) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:36 pmI was discussing the timing – which many people including me have presumed to be the sign of an amateur. And maybe it was and the killer was late because of the congestion or whatever.
But maybe not. It seems such a mistake it made me wonder if it wasn’t, which made me think about why else someone would wait. Maybe the goal wasn’t to kill as many people as possible, but to kill one specific person who was not yet in the kill zone. Maybe this is someone trying to kill [for example] his ex wife in a way he thought would prevent suspicion.
Anyway, a thought.
Marshal (79a61f) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:51 pmHere’s one of the more complete articles I’ve seen about the use of pressure cooker bombs by militants. I feel like I must have been living in a cave over the last decade because I can’t remember ever hearing of these before today.
http://news.yahoo.com/pressure-cooker-bombs-used-past-militants-204616173.html
elissa (31efb3) — 4/16/2013 @ 4:53 pmthe linking problems seem to trace back to that site outage with the hotlinked picture
or at least that’s been my impression
happyfeet (c60db2) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:04 pmAs much as I’d like to blame President Obama, security for an event like this was a local responsibility. Nor do I think that we’d want a Geheime Staatspolizei here in the US handling security all across the country; for some reason, when the Feds get in charge of things like this, they become really anal, really fast. (Viz.: The Secret Service.)
The even-handed Dana (af9ec3) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:11 pmOr more precisely,DHS, specially with the sterling leadership we’ve seen coming from there.
narciso (3fec35) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:16 pm#90, Sarah, after getting the run around on Fast-n-Furious and the blatant two-faced lies and deceptions on Benghazi, not to mention the attempt to blame the bloody massacre of little 1st grade school children at Newtown on law abiding gun owners, I’m not willing to take anything at face value when it comes to terrorism and the Obama Administration is in position to pull strings.
Barack Obama is the most dishonest double dealing four-flushing liar ever to occupy the White House, and that puts him in a league of his own.
So, no, Sarah, I don’t we’ve come close to getting the straight story yet.
ropelight (dec74b) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:23 pmDana,
I don’t think the federal government should be in charge but after 9/11, the feds were not just involved in investigating terrorism after-the-fact. Like it or not, the federal government is also part of the system designed to protect the nation from domestic terrorism.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:25 pmIn addition, prevention and interdiction of domestic terrorism is the responsibility of the federal government’s counterterrorism assets.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:29 pmAs usual, Big Sis is assuring us this isn’t part of a bigger plot.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:37 pmThey’re trying REAL HARD to blame this on either “militias” or “gun owners”.
With not one iota of valid evidence to suggest that, that I’ve heard.
$#^#@^#^ Fuckers.
Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Gender Bïgǒt (98ae1f) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:41 pmIndeed. He makes Tricky Dick and “Depends On What You Mean By ‘no'” Clinton look like paragons of honesty and virtue.
Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Gender Bïgǒt (98ae1f) — 4/16/2013 @ 5:43 pmThe man-caused disaster strikes again!
Napolitano doesn’t know if it’s part of a bigger plot or not; she’s throwing out a platitude in an attempt to reduce panic.
Icy (4b226c) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:16 pmtick tock isn’t there a 48-hour rule about catching evil bombers
happyfeet (8ce051) — 4/16/2013 @ 7:40 pmYesterday was the 148th anniversary of the death of Abraham Lincoln.
Neo (d1c681) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:06 pmI’m surprised that somebody hasn’t blamed the Republicans for attacking a ”blue state” in their “rush to judgement.”
Not sure what’s worse; Bruno Napolitano telling us it’s not aprt of a plot, the complete lack of discussion about who did this, or Obama ruminating over root causes, why they did this.
SImply if there is a photo or video it should be everywhere right now. That there isn’t means the The Supposedly Cooperating Saudi is almost certrainly a suspect. If it’s a group they’re long gone. After 9/11 we knew the names that night. After 7/7 the video was up immediately.
Further get the sense we’re being buttered up for “this is a lone wolf not Al Qaeda”as if Al Qaeda has a strict membership test with decoder rings and ID cards and clubhouses like the Knights of Columbus. Our government is very comfortable not telling us the truth and is almost certainly lying to us. Obama couldn’t wait to be Secular Priest at Fort Hood, but almost 4 years after the crime major a-hole Hassan is nowhere close to a trial nor the firing squad he richly deserves.
Bugg (b32862) — 4/16/2013 @ 8:24 pmMy lefty friends still insist that Patriot Day plus Tax-day is 2+2.
Apparently even President Obama is willing to speculate that this was a right-wing plot.
Mark (7ff1c4) — 4/16/2013 @ 10:40 pm112- I agree.
mg (31009b) — 4/17/2013 @ 2:53 amThe feds will hide the suspects if they are muzzies and are probably setting up a white homophobic,bigoted old person
Gotta go, someone is knocking at my door.
114. I feel your trepidation. I keep expecting a couple of suits to appear at mine.
Mebee when the weather improves.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/17/2013 @ 6:40 am113. Damn knuckledragging reactionaries. Patriot’s Day, 10th Anniversary of Waco, Hitler’s B-Day, all April 19th.
Week of is not close enuf, subtards.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/17/2013 @ 6:44 amRemember the anthrax letters one week after 9/11?
Isn’t it curious that there are ricin letters being sent immediately after the Boston bombing?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 9:59 amI’m still getting the impression there is a strong possibility of false positives with the Ricin letters. Apparently there’s something that can be used in the manufacture of paper that can trigger a positive screen. Early reports said that the letter was from some apparently prolific kook who has been sending letters around. I know they were on the special lookout for anymore letters from the same author.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:03 amA little foreign culture for the knuckleheads:
http://shoebat.com/2013/04/17/innocent-saudi-has-ties-to-several-al-qaeda-terrorists/
Walid is about the only voluble former terrorist Arab on our side. I’m amazed for all he does we still have him.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:06 amBy the way, have you seen the latest pics of the older caucasian guy carring a couple of black backpacks by the straps (which have a reflective stripe seen in the ones used to conceal the bombs)? He’s an interesting “type”, that I can’t really place. http://i.___ur.com/OvRBupt.jpg
He looks a bit weatherbeaten, has a bad haircut, grey-shot brown hair. He has really bad posture, an odd skull shape (with a flat backskull), soft, weak-looking body, His expression is hard to judge through facial hair and the fact that the sun is making others around him scowl, but he doesn’t look “right”. He’s swarthy enough to be chechen, his features are coarse, but I can’t place his face as “typey”, I couldn’t say where he comes from.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:12 amTry this link for pic: http://i.imgur.com/OvRBupt.jpg
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:14 amHere’s a blowup of the top left image: http://twitpic.com/ck0zsw
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:17 amA suspect! http://fox8.com/2013/04/17/substantial-progress-in-boston-attack-investigation/
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:26 amFOX NEWS reports the Boston Globe says the FBI has identified a suspect.
ropelight (a43313) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:27 amLooking forward to more on the suspect. This is a very interesting passage from the Fox link:
“If your experience and your expertise is Middle East terrorism, it has the hallmarks of al Qaeda or a Middle East group,” former FBI Assistant Director Tom Fuentes said. “If your experience is domestic groups and bombings that have occurred here, it has the hallmarks of a domestic terrorist like Eric Rudolph in the 1996 Atlanta Summer Olympics bombings.”
elissa (a4a051) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:39 amFuentes said he has investigated both types of terrorism — from Iraq to the United States — and finds the Boston attack has elements of both. “It has the hallmarks of both domestic and international (attacks), and you can see either side of that.”
This article says, FWIW, which is probably not much, the new suspect is said to be “dark-skinned”. Salon guy, though, must be miserable waiting. http://rt.com/usa/boston-bombing-identified-suspect-014/comments/page-2/
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:41 amEvents are moving fast, FOX is reporting their local Boston affiliate says an arrest is imminent.
ropelight (a43313) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:43 amVarious links:
An article with forensic information. (Here is the battery shown in one of the photos. Is this commonly sold in the Northeast?)
DebkaFile suggests the Saudis whose apartment was searched are involved, and that it could be an Al Qaeda of Arabia cell. But I’m not sure how much credence to give this report, plus it’s a day old.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:44 amMore on the suspect from the Boston Globe:
There will be a press conference at 5 EST.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:48 am120, 122. Thanx for the work.
Could be Arkansan or a Kurd, but your articulate description of his features and demeanor lead one to take Chechen as a fine guess.
I worked with an Ingushetian software engineer(good guy, sense of humor and practical) and FWIW the skull shapes are similar.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:48 amAce says ther’s an arrest! He also included a link to pics of a 4chan “suspect”. No idea if pic guy is arrested guy…but some points made about the pic that make it seem a possibility.
http://i.imgur.com/aCjGrD0h.jpg
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:54 amLink to Ace thread: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/339198.php
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:55 am117. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 9:59 am
Remember the anthrax letters one week after 9/11?
Isn’t it curious that there are ricin letters being sent immediately after the Boston bombing?
the problem with that comparison is that indeed was not a coincidence – Dr. Bruce Ivins started a week after the Seot 11 attacks. But in this case they ahve tio have been mailed before any news of teh Boston marathon bombing occured. It could be related if perhaps they are looking more or publicizing such things more.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:57 amAccording to FOX NEWS, an arrest has been made.
ropelight (a43313) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:57 amFrom the Boston Herald:
CNN says the suspect has been arrested “based on two videos showing images of the suspect.”
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:03 amABC News says “an arrest is imminent” or may have already occurred, while NBC News says they only have persons of interest.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:07 am131. A different individual. Not Scandinavian, whew!
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:10 amABC’s Boston affiliate WCBV reports an arrest has already been made. It says the suspect will be brought to the Boston courthouse.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:10 amWCVB, not WCBV. I’m dyslexic today.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:11 amFrom the AP:
The report says the suspect will be taken to federal court, so presumably they can seek the death penalty like the OKC bombing.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:13 amRush Limbaugh (also) says his network (meaning ABC?) has confirmed that an arrest has been made, but nobody official is saying anything, and we don’t know who it is.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:15 amCBS saying they have learned ther’s been no arrest? What? Stop it, news!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/nbc-boston-arrest-cnn-mediacbs_n_3102465.html
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:16 amWith all the day’s breaking news in Boston and Philly and Texas wouldn’t this just be a jim-dandy day for the senate to pass some barely read not-understood piece of nation changing legislation–you know while nobody’s watching.
elissa (a4a051) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:18 amLet me review what I think I know about teh packages:
The one that exploded second, 550 feet further back than the first, in front of the Forum near to the Starbucks, was placed over the barricades next to a mailbox. Not a mailbox in which you put in mail, but a mailbox in which a mailman puts mail to deliver. It could look like something left by a mailman, except that no mailman would be working there then.
That bomb was probably placed there first. It was less crowded there, so he could get to the road. It was placed there maybe at least one hour before the blast.
The bomb that exploded first was probably planted second. This time, the bomber could not get near the road (if he wanted to) and left it in the middle of the crowd on the sidewalk, possibly in a pothole. (it’s not clear if the bomb created the pothole or not) This one was in front of Lens Crafters, near Marathon Sports, about 150 to 200 feet from the finish line.
Most of the injuries to people were from the back, because the bomb was behind the crowd, and many more people were at the site near the finish line. The New York Times has dots for 23 victims near the finish line, and only 3 for the second bomb.
Most injuries were to the legs, but some shrapnel was thrown high up, even by the 4th floor, and some may have even reached the roof, and the second floor windows were broken (by the first bomb that exploded)
The finish line area was swept for bombs (with bomb sniffing dogs) the last time about an hour before the race began. It would have taken two hours and more for the first runners to get there.
The crowd only peaked after that, but by the time of the blasts it was thinning again. About 75% of the runners had passed the finish line by that point. Last year, about half finished in the hour that goes from a half hour before to a half hour afterwards.
At the time the first bomb was placed the bomb placer could have bene in the middle of the crowd, but as it thinned, it would been behind practically everybody left.
It would be very usual for some people to have backbacks – some people carried changes of clothes and shoes for runners, although runners also could arrange to pick up their belongings near the finish line.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:31 amComment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:44 am
(Here is the battery shown in one of the photos. Is this commonly sold in the Northeast?)
I don’t know about teh battery, but the pressure cooker is marked with a 6L on the bottom, therefore probably the Fagor pressure cooker.
http://www.amazon.com/Fagor-Splendid-6-Quart-Pressure-Cooker/dp/B0000717AU
The New York Times reports today that the company Fagor (based in Spain) says on its websiote that it is the fifth largest appliance maker in Europe, with factories in six countries, including Spoain, China and Morocco and subsidiaries in nearly a dozen more.
Amazon here says it is 6 quarts, but the New York Times writes about 6-liter pressure cookers.
About 50,000 of them are sold in the United States every year.
I think they can, if they need to, do an isotope anylysis and metal composition analysis and narrow down the time and place the pot was made.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:39 amComment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:48 am
An official briefed on the Boston Marathon bombing investigation said today that authorities have an image of a suspect carrying, and perhaps dropping, a black bag at the second bombing scene on Boylston Street, outside of the Forum restaurant.
Unless he had the other in a car, he should have been carrying two at that time, because that was probably left first.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 11:42 amAnyway the second bomb bag (the one not left in the middle of a crowd) was white with a brown thing inside.
But this would be the one near the finish line.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 12:07 pmAt the second bombing scene, outside of the Forum restaurant, the bag was white.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/17/boston-news-station-do-these-pictures-show-the-second-bomb-and-a-suspicious-man/
These pictures are also on the front page of the New York Post (the later one is cropped)
But someone could still be carrying the other bag
near the site of teh second bomb.
Communication from the FBI isn’t good.
This could be the second bag and his second trip. I would disregard that comment about anyone dropping a black bag there. That bag was white.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 12:12 pmComment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:44 am
DebkaFile suggests the Saudis whose apartment was searched are involved, and that it could be an Al Qaeda of Arabia cell. But I’m not sure how much credence to give this report, plus it’s a day old.
I’ve never consdidered Debka file reliable at all.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 12:20 pmThe 11 O’Clock news at night is always much BETTER and faster than the 6 PM news.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 12:22 pm119. Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:06 am
http://shoebat.com/2013/04/17/innocent-saudi-has-ties-to-several-al-qaeda-terrorists/
Walid is about the only voluble former terrorist Arab on our side. I’m amazed for all he does we still have him.
Walid is not telling us how many people are in his clan, or what percentage of male members are terrorists. It could 5% or 2%.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/17/2013 @ 12:24 pmWeiner comes in second in a Democratic primary poll for mayor at about 15% but the poll may be misleading since he has a lot of name recognition.
John Liu’s campaign aides go on trial soon, I think. If Weiner just gets a few more contributions he can collect $1.5 in matching fiunds
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:26 pm