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3/18/2010

Health Care Vote Sunday

Filed under: Health Care,Politics — DRJ @ 11:32 am



[Guest post by DRJ]

President Obama has canceled his Asia trip until June, and Democratic House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says there will be a Sunday vote on health care. The CBO’s health care numbers, bolstered by the impact of a government takeover of student loans, may make the difference for Democratic fence-sitters:

“Democrats have been waiting for the CBO score for days, and several undecided lawmakers have said the CBO findings will influence their votes. Leaders need 216 members of their caucus to support the healthcare package for it to win passage.”

Republican leaders say it’s still a trillion dollar (plus) expenditure and are “set to offer a measure Thursday that seeks to force and up-or-down vote on the Senate healthcare bill.” Even so, I suspect the GOP sees more hope in repealing the legislation than stopping it.

— DRJ

58 Responses to “Health Care Vote Sunday”

  1. good way yo let those folks in Asia where they stand in the scheme of things…. and a great way to impress them with how much power you have.

    its a good thing the cultures over there aren’t perceptive to nuance or such concepts as “face”, or Ear Leader would be showing what an impotent ass he really is.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  2. Joseph Cao is taking another look at it…

    imdw (842182)

  3. I see both Lynch and Altmire are confirmed liars. They both publicly declared they were firm no votes, and then voted to support the Slaughter solution. I sent money to the Scott Brown campaign, and I’ll be happy to send money to anyone who runs against these two pathetic excuses.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  4. I see both Lynch and Altmire are confirmed liars. They both publicly declared they were firm no votes, and then voted to support the Slaughter solution. I sent money to the Scott Brown campaign, and I’ll be happy to send money to anyone who runs against these two pathetic excuses.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  5. I see both Lynch and Altmire are confirmed liars. They both publicly declared they were firm no votes, and then voted to support the Slaughter solution. I sent money to the Scott Brown campaign, and I’ll be happy to send money to anyone who runs against these two pathetic excuses.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  6. Talk of repeal is just boob-bait for the bubba’s leading up to the off-year elections.
    No one in the GOP leadership seriously believes that they can repeal this monstrosity because they will not be able to overcome a Presidential Veto.
    The best that they can do if it does become law, and the Congress does change hands because of that action, is to defund it.

    AD - RtR/OS! (7a1f69)

  7. Sorry for the multiple posts–computer trouble at work today.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  8. “No one in the GOP leadership seriously believes that they can repeal this monstrosity because they will not be able to overcome a Presidential Veto”

    or a filibuster.

    imdw (2b5cca)

  9. Does the immaculate duffuswon know the difference between invoking cloture, and overturning a veto?

    I seriously doubt it, since its’ attention span ends at its’ Richard Cranium.

    AD - RtR/OS! (7a1f69)

  10. Another monkey-wrench for those in the House:

    Sen. Coburn (R-OK) Throws Down the Gauntlet to Bought-Off House “No” Votes
    He’s going to hold up any nomination to a federal position for Democrats who lose after switching, or who get appropriations for their districts to buy their votes. “If you think you can cut a deal now and it not come out ’til after the election, I want to tell you that isn’t going to happen.”
    – Reported by Rush

    AD - RtR/OS! (7a1f69)

  11. If the vote is sunday and the Dems actually expect it to pass, then why is he canceling his trip until june? It’s becasue it is in trouble and they do not have the votes to pass and they all know it. A sure sign this thing doesn’t have the support is Obama going on FOX. He should have worn a neon sign on his fporehead saying”I’m so desperate and up sh*ts creek”

    no longer a Dem (60044b)

  12. Sen Coburn says he’ll block all appointments of former Congressmen to positions promised for switching their vote on Obamacare.

    Obama’s selling a cushy political job for a vote is no different than indicted IL Gov Blago selling Obama’s former Senate seat.
    [credit to ic at http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=25392

    Duke (bfe493)

  13. Hey AD at #10:
    Obama’s selling a cushy political job for a vote is no different than indicted IL Gov Blago selling Obama’s former Senate seat.
    [credit to ic at http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=25392

    Duke (bfe493)

  14. Actually, obambi had a more serious reason to skip the trip. He threw out his back the other day and it was now really painful for him to bow.

    (no, not really, but i hope you at least laughed.)

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  15. Coburn’s threat should be taken seriously because he will be in the majority next year. I think it was the 1976 Labour election manifesto under Tony Benn or Michael Foote that was called “The longest suicide note in history.” I doubt it was 2200 pages.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  16. Finally someone in the GOP (besides Ryan) takes a stand, and a stand that’s as clear as daylight. Keep talking, Tom – don’t let up, show them to be the feckless syncophants that the majority of the public thinks they are.

    Dmac (ca1d8c)

  17. I’m about ready to show up at my (*&%%@@#%@ Congressman’s office and tell his staff that if he votes yes, the staffers won’t be able to get a job lap dancing.

    PCD (7bf19f)

  18. We are so screwed if this passes.

    This is why we should we should see Obama’s grades. I bet he got an F in economics.

    MU789 (918c8e)

  19. Dmac – is a “syncophant” a ‘syncopated sycophant’ or a ‘synchronised sycophant’ ? (grin)

    Alasdair (e7cb73)

  20. MU789 – I would be shocked to find out he had ever taken an economics course and if he did it was taught from a Marxist perspective.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  21. “If the vote is sunday and the Dems actually expect it to pass, then why is he canceling his trip until june? It’s becasue it is in trouble and they do not have the votes to pass and they all know it.”

    There’s really no defeating this logic.

    imdw (8f8ead)

  22. 22, then go away.

    PCD (7bf19f)

  23. No one in the GOP leadership seriously believes that they can repeal this monstrosity because they will not be able to overcome a Presidential Veto.
    Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 3/18/2010 @ 12:03 pm

    Can’t they just “deem” they have the votes to override a veto? 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  24. Now Sen Kent Conrad says that the Senate won’t pass the reconciliation bill unchanged …

    Keystone Kops. Reid and Pelosi are completely incompetent.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  25. 3 cheers for Coburn (at least)

    “Votes have consequences”

    MD in Philly (59a3ad)

  26. the amusing thing, as pointed out over at AoSHQ, is that we have to pass the bill now to help people, yet it doesn’t take effect until four years from now, except for the taxes and stuff.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  27. red, that’s not amusing. That’s just more of the Democrats’ fraud on the American people.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  28. Rep. Markey (D)was against before she was for it. Voting yes now post-CBO report.

    I am going to support this bill,” Markey said during a Thursday afternoon conference call with reporters. “One of the main reasons is this is the largest deficit reduction bill over the last 25 years. And it’s probably the largest deficit-reduction bill that I’ll ever have a chance to vote on in Congress.”

    State Rep. Cory Gardner, who will probably be the Republican challenging Markey for her seat in the fall, wasted no time ripping Markey’s reversal on health care.

    “The majority of people in her own people don’t think that’s the way to go,” Gardner said. “Only in Washington DC does spending a trillion dollars equate to saving money. It’s ironic they’re saying this is going to reduce the deficit. A year ago, they were saying the stimulus would create jobs.”

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  29. Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 3/18/2010 @ 12:27pm

    About Coburn’s throw down, Ace reports Bart Gordon, who was against it before he was for it, is in line to take over NASA and Tennessee Congressman John Tanner might be named Ambassador to NATO.

    Looks like Coburn will have plenty of material to work with.

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  30. #17: You’re kidding right? This POS was passed by reconcilliation, it can be overturned by reconcilliation. Besides, the benefits don’t kick in for five years (just the pain), that gives the GOP two election cycles to try to gather the votes to overturn it.

    Sean P (4fde41)

  31. Bart Gordon is The Wrong Stuff.

    These deals are from hell. As is the whole bill.

    Vivian Louise (643333)

  32. If this passes…

    “The hardest hit won’t be those earning more than $250,000 a year—the group that he says needs to “pay their fair share.” Rather, it’s families whose combined annual income is around $100,000 who could be crushed under this plan.

    These folks will be too “rich” to qualify for ObamaCare’s subsidies, but probably too poor to easily afford the pricey insurance that the president’s plan forces them to buy.

    Many of these $100K families will be obliged to buy a policy costing an average of $14,700 for the mid-level, “silver” health plan, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimates. After income taxes, they’ll be spending almost a quarter of their net income for health insurance.”

    http://www.aei.org/article/101796

    GeneralMalaise (f0137a)

  33. They are monsters.

    JD (7ee27c)

  34. GeneralMalaise, that’s going to be about 4 times more than I spend for health insurance right now, and it is more than my mortgage.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  35. They need to pass this bill so they can take up cap and trade. The economy has been showing a few signs of life and we have to hurry to stamp that out.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  36. Exactly, Mike. Exactly.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  37. hmmm, 68% don’t want this. That’s about 250 million lawsuoits against the governement and each individual Democrat that votes for this.

    You want to shove this down our throats and violate al llaw? fine, we will make you spend every single dime of your money defending yourself in decades worth of lawsuits. On top of which, you will be hounded, haranged and harped on by the public every minute of every day for the rest of your lives. Nelson got off a pizza parlor. You Democrats that vote yes will not have one minutes peace in public whether you hold office or not.

    No longer a democrat (60044b)

  38. Well, the fake Greek temple and Air Force one over New York City have already been done for creepy photo ops. What do you suppose Obi and Co. have planned for the HC jubilee?

    As a thought, old Cook County Hospital a beautiful beaux`arts building in Chicago is empty and for sale. I suppose they could dramatically blow that up to symbolically “celebrate” the end of American democracy and personal health care as we have known it.

    elissa (5602f9)

  39. “#17: You’re kidding right? This POS was passed by reconcilliation, it can be overturned by reconcilliation. ”

    Changes will be passed in reconciliation. The senate bill passed with 60 votes and has a lot that reconciliation can’t change.

    ““The hardest hit won’t be those earning more than $250,000 a year—the group that he says needs to “pay their fair share.” Rather, it’s families whose combined annual income is around $100,000 who could be crushed under this plan.”

    The original house bill didn’t have the cadillac tax. It had a tax on the top incomes. But that couldn’t pass the senate. However, changing this in the future will not be so hard — it can be done in reconciliation.

    imdw (688568)

  40. Let’s all be sure we thank Olympia Snowe, come November.

    And don’t forget the MSM, who put this thing over the top by resolutely ignoring the sleazy way it has been done, and will be consummated, following their new motto “the ends justify the means”, which has replaced the oh-so-archaic “guarding the public’s right to know”. The MSM Cone of Comfort and Silence got Barry elected, and it looks like it will get him his pet dream too.

    sherlock (e1e91e)

  41. And don’t forget the MSM, who put this thing over the top by resolutely ignoring the sleazy way it has been done, and will be consummated, following their new motto “the ends justify the means”, which has replaced the oh-so-archaic “guarding the public’s right to know”. The MSM Cone of Comfort and Silence got Barry elected, and it looks like it will get him his pet dream too.

    Those punks are truly fifth columnists.

    Secret Squirrel (6a1582)

  42. And, once one side starts to institutionalize sleazy tactics, the other side has to reciprocate when they are up to bat, or they are just setting themselves up for permanent minority status. This is going to change American politics irretrievably – once you have a party like the Dems that choses to ignore traditional legislative mores for a chance to grab the gold ring, we all tumble down the slippery slope with the bastards.

    sherlock (e1e91e)

  43. “The original house bill didn’t have the cadillac tax. It had a tax on the top incomes. But that couldn’t pass the senate. However, changing this in the future will not be so hard — it can be done in reconciliation.”

    and if monkeys flew out of your delusional backside, you’d have a circus attraction.

    GeneralMalaise (f0137a)

  44. “The MSM Cone of Comfort and Silence got Barry elected, and it looks like it will get him his pet dream too.”

    Are they even showing the good stuff? Like that parkinsons dude with the wingnuts?

    imdw (b40b74)

  45. Sad, but true, SPQR. If this passes, there will be Hell to pay and I’m not sure the democrats truly and fully understand that.

    GeneralMalaise (f0137a)

  46. Rather, it’s families whose combined annual income is around $100,000 who could be crushed under this plan. These folks will be too “rich” to qualify for ObamaCare’s subsidies, but probably too poor to easily afford the pricey insurance that the president’s plan forces them to buy.

    IOW, the middle class. So the middle class gets squeezed and eventually we end up with…hm…

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  47. “Are they even showing the good stuff? Like that parkinsons dude with the wingnuts?”

    Not even showing that trusted mentor of 20 years, calling on God to damn American, precious!

    GeneralMalaise (f0137a)

  48. Make that “America”…

    GeneralMalaise (f0137a)

  49. “Not even showing that trusted mentor of 20 years, calling on God to damn American, precious!”

    He’s been suspiciously absent in all this health care talk. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

    imdw (b40b74)

  50. This Senate bill that got 60 votes that imdw speaks of, when is it schedule to be voted on?

    JD (236586)

  51. “This Senate bill that got 60 votes that imdw speaks of, when is it schedule to be voted on?”

    Isn’t this whole thread about how the vote will be on sunday? But wait! You got a cleverism coming, dont you? We’re all just dying to hear it.

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    imdw (d867f1)

  52. There’s really no defeating this logic.

    Oh, no question – and don’t bother wondering why Obama suddenly went on Fox farking news to lobby all of those evil Rethuglican voters. Because he thinks that Fox isn’t a legit news operation. Yeah, that makes sense – he’s not in trouble at all.

    Dmac (ca1d8c)

  53. [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    How about making this a permanent part of the spam filter? Nothing of value ever comes out of it.

    Dmac (ca1d8c)

  54. Their is nothing smart about our current POTUS.

    He is actually an infantile mediocre mind.

    HeavenSent (a9126d)

  55. Socialism is the codification into law of jealousy and theft.

    Or for the religuous ….. “Thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s goods and wife”.

    Obama is this. Socialism is this. Democrats are this.

    HeavenSent (a9126d)

  56. Kicking out Snowe is actually something Tea Partiers should pursue.

    If she had not been a willing tool, we would not be here right now.

    For her to now say “NO” is really an insult to my intelligence.

    Perfect example of how RINOs are killing conservatism.

    HeavenSent (a9126d)

  57. Isn’t this whole thread about how the vote will be on sunday?

    Sure moonbat.

    http://patterico.com/2010/03/18/gutless-democrats-about-to-pass-health-care-travesty-without-standing-behind-it/

    Gerald A (a66d02)


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