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The upper west side.
Where the jews live?

Readnek (105b91) — 9/27/2008 @ 9:44 am

Those Upper East Side so-called “liberals” are nothing more than rude-angry-jerks. No brains, no class, no manners, and no future.

The UES is Charlie Rangel’s 15th Congressional District. I looked for him in the vidio, but you don’t see much of ol’ Charlie these days, he’s busy trying to duck indictment for cheating on his taxes, and other unsavory matters.

BTW, I wonder what’s up with Cold Cash Jefferson (D-LA) he’s making himself scarce too. Could it be Rangel and Jefferson got sweetheart loans, or big “campaign contributions” from their old pal, Franklin Raines at Fannie Mae? But, there’s no need to assume that’s why they’re layin’ low, there’s plenty of good reasons for these two guys to be keepin’ out of sight.

Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/27/2008 @ 10:25 am

One of the reasons many people don’t put McCain bumper stickers on in West LA is that they’ll get their car keyed or tires slashed. Videos like this make it clear this is not paranoia. There are folks here that refrained from violence only barely.

Reminds me a great deal of videos from the South in the early 60’s. All they needed were some axe handles.

Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 9/27/2008 @ 10:32 am

Interestingly enough, the New York Times today has a very fair piece on the House Republican revolt on the bailout. They make the point in the last two sentences that the Democrats can do this without them but are afraid to.

Mike K (155601) — 9/27/2008 @ 10:43 am

One of the reasons many people don’t put McCain bumper stickers on in West LA is that they’ll get their car keyed or tires slashed.

Funny you should mention this.

http://moxie.nu/?p=1705

Dana (4d3ea0) — 9/27/2008 @ 10:52 am

Ropelite, it’s the upper west side, not the upper east side.
The upper west is historically jewish because in the past (the recent past) jews were locked out of the east.

Readnek (105b91) — 9/27/2008 @ 10:53 am

For more on the topic:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/092008/09272008/413770

I think got that from Malkin…Yeah:

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/27/more-obama-gangland-tactics-signs-banned-at-virginia-rally-today/

Larry Sheldon (86b2e1) — 9/27/2008 @ 11:24 am

Heh. No surprise. Yet when the city is in deep shit they turn to a Republican to fix it. Hypocrites.

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/27/2008 @ 11:29 am

Can anyone explain why the level of hatred is that high? There are plenty of people I disagree with, and I wouldn’t yell at them, flip them off, etc.

You’d think ignoring the folks with the McCain signs would be the mature thing to do. Why wasn’t that done?

Rob Crawford (b5d1c2) — 9/27/2008 @ 11:48 am

#6, Redrear, thanks for the correction. It is the Upper West Side. Dyxlesia strikes again.

Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/27/2008 @ 12:06 pm

Isn’t Readnek blah/AF? Ban the IP, delete the comments.

Patterico (6a705c) — 9/27/2008 @ 12:31 pm

I’ll check.

DRJ (c953ab) — 9/27/2008 @ 12:33 pm

As far as I can tell, Readnek is just Readnek.

DRJ (c953ab) — 9/27/2008 @ 12:37 pm

Rob at #9 asked, “…ignoring the folks with the McCain signs would be the mature thing to do. Why wasn’t that done?”

Good question, I’ll have a go.

Because Liberals aren’t very tolerant when it comes to dissent from Lefty orthodoxy. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but just don’t try to give it public expression or the hounds of hell will start barking and snapping at your throat. It’s sort of like the Bill of Rights is absolute if you’re one of the anointed, but is somewhat conditional if you stray from the rigid confines of collectivist dogma. Obama’s “Truth Squads” are a timely example.

There’s also an element of propriety, or of proprietorship, which offends Liberals no end. Marching is one of their exclusive activities, they march for peace, affordable housing (on hold just now), and for polar bears, polyesters, and old trees on occasion.

Seeing a group of upstart Republicans marching down Broadway on the Upper West Side is just too much to countenance. It’s insulting to their sense of decorum, and a clear violation of their rights. So Liberals feel justified in responding with insults and violations of the rules of civilized behavior in return.

Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/27/2008 @ 12:58 pm

Ah, them New Yorkers think a hero is some kinda freakin’ sandwich, whadda ya want?

mojo (2303c8) — 9/27/2008 @ 1:54 pm

How did Manhattanites react to Iran’s Ahmedinejad visit recently? Was it as intensely negative?

gp (19ad5d) — 9/27/2008 @ 3:15 pm

#9 – Can anyone explain why the level of hatred is that high?

This is the question that needs to be brought to the forefront and asked repeatedly. The reactions seem to be disassociated from any reasonable measure of affront.

As this is an election year, and there are two major parties running candidates for President, a rational human being would be expected to respond with boredom at a group of people marching in support of one of the candidates. Especially after the wall-to-wall coverage that has stretched on over a year.

But that’s not what happens.

The displays of hostility have a personal flavor to them, as if those screaming and flashing obscenities have suffered a personal affront. The fact that they believe that they’re victims of behavior outside accepted norms is startling, and exposes the incompatibility of leftist thought and personal freedom.

The freedom to speak does not include the freedom to restrict the speech of others.

These angry people seem to be filling a need, and whether that need is for an excuse for their own position in life or the maintenance of an imagined membership in something ‘more important’, the fact remains that their behavior is completely out of proportion to the event. People were simply marching and expressing their support of a Presidential candidate.

The point about Ahmedinejad is spot on. The left’s inability to offer any outrage at Ahmedinejad, the man who has stated publicly that he wants to kill millions because they’re Jews, while simultaneously comparing GWB, and by extention, JSM to Hitler shows what can only be described as a serious mental disorder.

Apogee (366e8b) — 9/27/2008 @ 4:05 pm

Readnek – You linked that article from the Guardian because you agree with it, correct, not because it is an example of shoddy journalism? Otherwise why link it without comment?

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/27/2008 @ 4:48 pm

Comment by Readnek — 9/27/2008 @ 9:44 am

Bzzzt! Wrong answer.

EW1(SG) (84e813) — 9/27/2008 @ 6:26 pm

Not wanting signs at at your rally is ‘gangland’ ? Whats ‘gang’ about that? Oh wait. I know.

imdw (1598f7) — 9/27/2008 @ 6:46 pm

So much for the Georgia comeback. Now Alabama’s up 40-17 with four minutes left in the 4th.

Buh-bye.

Paul (ceb85f) — 9/27/2008 @ 7:40 pm

Oh shoot.

Wrong thread.

Paul (ceb85f) — 9/27/2008 @ 7:41 pm

I don’t care. They are both mine, and you and I are on the same page.

Pretty amazing, isn’t it?

DRJ (c953ab) — 9/27/2008 @ 7:43 pm

“Can anyone explain why the level of hatred is that high?”

Because the republican party is the party of Tucker Eskew and Lee Atwater. The party of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms (read the link), of anti-semites who “love Israel” (quoting Ed Koch), and the party of the “defense of marriage” act, of moralizing whoremongers, and warmongers who want to “starve the beast” and rip it off at the same time.

You want a longer list, it’s easy.

Readnek (105b91) — 9/27/2008 @ 7:55 pm

Readnek, that is pretty amusing but in a sadly pathetic way.

Since the Democratic party is the party of anti-semites today, like Ellison and Cynthia McKinney.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/27/2008 @ 8:03 pm

Meanwhile, it is the Democrat party that is the party of thugs threatening our freedom of speech.

And of course, Obama is the key of winning elections with dirty tricks.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/27/2008 @ 8:08 pm

“Because the republican party is the party of Tucker Eskew and Lee Atwater. The party of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms (read the link), of anti-semites who “love Israel” (quoting Ed Koch), and the party of the “defense of marriage” act, of moralizing whoremongers, and warmongers who want to “starve the beast” and rip it off at the same time.”

Readnek – Let the hate come out. You know you want it to. Even plain old Democrats can’t say what they think for fear of ostracism, it’s not just their politicians. Readnek here is a perfect example. He kept his bigotry and hate under wraps until this weekend.

Haven’t you been around here with another screen name before?

It must suck to live a secret life and no be able to tell people what you really believe.

daleyrocks (34b529) — 9/27/2008 @ 8:44 pm

“anti-semites who “love Israel”” Israel has no better, stronger ally in the world than USA conservatives, and especially evangelicals.

I’m intrigued by that longer list, Readnek. Please post a link to it. Just a link, not the whole thing.

gp (19ad5d) — 9/27/2008 @ 9:07 pm

“anti-semites who “love Israel”” I’m still pondering that.
Everybody saw the video from People’s Cube, how the Upper West Side Manhattanites razzed a McCain rally?
I wonder: are there more Christian conservatives worldwide who support Israel, than there are folks in the five NYC boroughs who support Israel? I’m guessing yes.

gp (19ad5d) — 9/27/2008 @ 9:56 pm

Readnek – 7:55pm – That’s a perfect example. I couldn’t have written it better myself.

You concoct an imaginary enemy in your head and then rationalize the appropriate level of hatred.

Oh, and from your Wapo link, this little gem:

Then Forbes cuts to one of Atwater’s friends describing how, before the ad [Willie Horton] was ever aired, Atwater called him into his office, showed him the ad, said he was going to set it up as the work of an independent committee (and thus, with no fingerprints) and asked what he thought.

What is clear, from watching this talented man and his view of politics and America, is that his corrosive vision has seeped into the nation’s political groundwater.

Did Atwater set it up with Winner & Associates, I wonder? Seems like you hate Atwater and love Axelrod, who’s using the same tactics. Par for the course.

Apogee (366e8b) — 9/27/2008 @ 9:59 pm

“Used “push polling” by calling Republican voters and asking them “Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?” It was disgusting enough to use such a race-baiting tactic to begin with, but to use McCain’s child – whom he and his wife adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh – because they thought her dark skin might fool a bunch of ignorant, right-wing Southerners, shocked even hardened political pros.
Had leaflets distributed by local religious fanatics describing McCain as “pro-abortion” and “the fag candidate” (because McCain was the only Republican presidential candidate to meet with the gay Republican men’s group, Log Cabin Republicans).
Circulated rumors that McCain had cheated on his wife and refused to denounce local right-wing groups that went after his wife, Cindy, as a “drug addict” due to a problem she had once had with prescription painkillers. Indeed, the night before the South Carolina primary, a GOP operative appeared outside a McCain campaign event with a stack of leaflets calling her a drug addict and a “weirdo.”
Impugned his courage and patriotism in the worst possible way. Team Bush constantly referred to McCain’s alleged “temper problem” and implied that he was mentally unstable based on his time spent as a POW. Rove himself was even accused by the McCain camp of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war.”
Used Ted Sampley – yes, the same guy who participated in the swift boating of John Kerry in 2004 – to compare McCain with ‘the Manchurian Candidate’ and to suggest that he had only escaped death while in captivity by collaborating with the enemy.”

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“Atwater called him into his office, showed him the ad, said he was going to set it up as the work of an independent committee (and thus, with no fingerprints) and asked what he thought. The friend says that he told Atwater it was appalling, racist and that it was going to “follow you to your grave.”

Atwater, he says, responded with a vulgarity that implied his friend was weak.”

I don’t love any of these idiots. But no Axelrod doesn’t compare.

Readnek (105b91) — 9/27/2008 @ 10:12 pm

Nice rationalization. So now the benchmark isn’t dirty political tricks, it’s how many dirty political tricks? It must be hard to keep all that straight in your head.

And your implication that McCain was savaged by Bush in 2000 contradicts your earlier comment that McCain = Bush. You want to talk about McCain working with someone who has a record of being a political enemy? Ok. You do realize that McCain was one of the main forces in Congress to push for reconciliation with VietNam? He received worse treatment there than Bush could ever dish out.

That just reinforces McCain’s claim to reach across the aisle and get things done.

So by your logic Barack Obama working with Bush on the bailout would be selling his soul?

Oh, and the laughable article about statements by politicians regarding Jesse Helms’ death? Funeral statements taken as fact – that’s a new one. When Byrd kicks off you’ll no doubt excoriate any Democrats saying anything nice about the man.

Apogee (366e8b) — 9/27/2008 @ 10:34 pm

You pick out banalities from my links on the assumption others won’t click on them and then mount equally absurd attacks. You refer to Axelrod but you don’t even try to make case.
Byrd? He’s faced up to his past a long time ago.
Helms never did. You know it. I know it. Stop lying.
From my link

“When Carol Moseley-Braun of Illinois became the first African-American woman to sit in the Senate, Helms followed Moseley-Braun into an elevator, announcing to Utah Senator Orrin Hatch: “Watch me make her cry. I’m going to make her cry. I’m going to sing ‘Dixie’ until she cries.”
Then, emphasizing the lines about how “good” things were before the Civil War ended slavery, Helms sang “Dixie.””

Readnek (105b91) — 9/28/2008 @ 9:46 am

“I don’t love any of these idiots. But no Axelrod doesn’t compare.”

Readnek – Ah, it’s that old favorite, the politics of personal expediency that liberals love so well. Axelrod is the main mouthpiece for the incredibly corrupt Daley machine in Chicago, a machine which Obama has not had the balls to oppose in the name of reform. Axelrod can lie straight to the camera about what happened yesterday concerning Daley or Obama. Doesn’t compare my ass. Wake up butt munch.

daleyrocks (34b529) — 9/28/2008 @ 9:49 am

Readnek – Since you are apparently unable to counter any of the arguments, you run and try to assert the same garbage on another link.

You’re confused. I did make a case against Axelrod. He’s responsible for the same slimy tactics that supposedly show Atwater to be a horrendous scumbag. It is you that chooses to ignore your self-contradictions, which you continue in your references to Jesse Helms.

You give examples of Jesse Helms, and then excoriate Helms for not ‘facing up to his past’. Yet that, apparently, is exactly what Atwater did when he learned he was dying (according to your link). Yet Atwater receives none of your eloquent forgiveness, as you are apparently able to read minds and discern who is truthful and who is not.

Oh, and speaking of Carol Moseley Braun, that would be the same Carol Moseley Braun who labeled George Will a racist, would it not? Yet you yourself are willing to link to Will when it suits you.

By your logic, you believe everything that Will does, since you support some of his views. That is your argument regarding Helms.

Does this mean that you are a racist?

No one can tell without your mind-reading capabilities. One doesn’t need that skill, however, to realize that you are a mess of contradictions.

Apogee (366e8b) — 9/28/2008 @ 5:08 pm

Readnek, this week, not last election or last decade, Obama’s thugs are threatening to jail people who criticize Obama.

I don’t see you dealing with that.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/28/2008 @ 5:17 pm

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