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9/12/2008

Obama Campaign Starts Over (Updated x2)

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 5:31 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe released a strategy memo stating that “today is the first day of the rest of the campaign.” He might want a do-over.

The Obama campaign’s newest ad mocks John McCain as a computer illiterate who doesn’t use email:

“1982, John McCain goes to Washington,” an announcer says over chirpy elevator music. “Things have changed in the last 26 years, but McCain hasn’t.

“He admits he still doesn’t know how to use a computer, can’t send an e-mail, still doesn’t understand the economy, and favors two hundred billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost nothing for the middle class.”

McCain sounds pretty out-of-touch but NRO’s Jonah Goldberg says a little Googling would have told the Obama campaign there’s more to this story. From a 2000 Boston Globe story:

“McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain’s encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He’s an avid fan – Ted Williams is his hero – but he can’t raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.”

Goldberg also notes this 2000 Jacob Weisberg article:

“Six months ago, no one would have pegged McCain as the most cybersavvy of this year’s crop of candidates. At 63, he is the oldest of the bunch and because of his war injuries, he is limited in his ability to wield a keyboard.

Maybe David Plouffe should send out a new memo that tomorrow is the first day of the rest of this campaign.

UPDATE 1: Steven Den Beste points to an Ace post that includes this from Forbes Magazine:

“In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate’s savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. “She’s a whiz on the keyboard, and I’m so laborious,” McCain admits.”

Obama might have known this about McCain if he had spent more time working in the Senate instead of campaigning for the Presidency.

UPDATE 2: The Instapundit has more links and comments emailed by readers.

— DRJ

173 Responses to “Obama Campaign Starts Over (Updated x2)”

  1. “He might want a do-over.”

    I think it’s called an O-mulligan.

    Dusty (545d04)

  2. Ace just found another article, this one from Forbes from 2000, which says that McCain actually does a lot of email. He can’t type because his fingers were crippled, but his wife can. So he dictates to her and she does the typing.

    Steven Den Beste (99cfa1)

  3. Was this clown making fun of Admiral Stockdale in ’92 for having a hearing aid?

    Obama and his people are some of the most stupid twits we’ve seen in politics in some time.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  4. At this point, I’m wondering if Biden wants to dump him from the ticket…

    Marco (dbeec2)

  5. Here’s that Ace post.

    The sheer ineptitude shown by the Obama campaign the last two weeks bespeaks of gross inexperience. It’s enough to make me scream, in the immortal words of Casey Stengel, “Can’t anybody here play this game?”

    Steven Den Beste (99cfa1)

  6. Mocking a man because of his war injuries…

    Makes me want to type here that someone should contact the Marine ReCon sniper and give him a green light, but that would be misunderstood as having sympathy for Obama….

    Now, I’ll apologize for this post, and hope that someone in the Obama campaign realizes that this is not a good campaign add….

    reff (4ab894)

  7. That’s a great link, Steven Den Beste. Thank you and I’ve updated the post.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  8. It’s going to be hard to top this unless the Obama campaign starts pulling chairs out from under blind people as they sit down.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  9. I thought the Obama ad was more effective than the McCain ad that came out the same day. I read the NY Times piece from July that says he “is learning to go online.” This came out of left field and will certainly smack them hard. McCain might run an ad with Biden telling the guy in the wheelchair to stand up, then this, although it might be better to leave it viral. Maybe a 527 group does the ad with a series of gaffes. Something like that.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  10. It’s too late now, but the best ticket Dems could have offered would have Hillary at the top and Obama in the VP spot. However, the Jackass Party bought a pig in a poke instead. Now Dems have to sit and carp from the sidelines as McCain/Palin wins in a cakewalk.

    Ropelight (921f6e)

  11. See also this NPR (All things Condsidered) bit on the digital divide between the candidates. I’d like to find the New York Times reporting that is mentioned in passing, but not specifically identified.

    SarahW (a6e80b)

  12. Uhbama’s team has talent you can’t coach!

    JeffW (23e2df)

  13. – “O-mulligan” doesn’t have any ring .. keep trying

    – Stockdale: not a name you guys want to mention. It’s hilarious that you would bring him up, though.

    – Cakewalk victory? Yes, good. Get all comfortable and rest easy for a cakewalk victory in November. Don’t get the vote out or anything. It’s a cakewalk!

    i like america (f4c1e0)

  14. Here is theNew York Times article.

    NPR just lifted from it, didn’t do new reporting, it seems.

    Wired also did a story on the “digital divide” based on the New York Times reporting.

    SarahW (a6e80b)

  15. “i like america”, I brought up Adm Stockdale because how he was treated showed the essential juvenile nature of critics. A nature you show you share.

    Stockdale was actually a very brilliant man. To quote Dennis Miller, he committed the worse sin in America – he looked bad on TV. But only to juvenile twits like you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  16. #10 Ropelight, correct again. We are witnessing a 16 year swing in the White House. Had the Dems played it smart…8 years of Clinton-Obama followed by 8 years of Obama-anybody. But instead, because their egos got in the way, we’ll have 8 years of McCain-Palin and then 8 years of Palin-anybody (maybe Jindahl). Happy Day! Thank you Barack, you have no idea how much you have helped America. And re: the new Obama ad. Could they f-up any worse??? Maybe, we’ll have to see what crap they come out with tomorrow!

    J. Raymond Wright (0440ef)

  17. Obama said the last video game he played was Pong. Man is he in the forefornt of the digital revolution!

    tmac (86debe)

  18. SPQR – irrelevant and hilarious

    Twit is a weenie word to use. Try to find something better

    i like america (f4c1e0)

  19. “i like america” – the important part of choosing a word is that its meaning fits.

    So it was a success.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  20. SPQR – that was your big comeback? You really are a weenie

    i like america (f4c1e0)

  21. Sarah W,

    Thanks for the July 2008 NY Times’ link. It sounds like that article might have been what led the Obama campaign to run this ad. On the surface, it makes McCain sound clueless and disinterested about computers and the internet, and the reporter obviously didn’t press the issue. I wonder if the NY Times and Obama fell into a McCain disinformation trap?

    DRJ (7568a2)

  22. “i like america” – I have some even more fitting words, but DRJ’s good opinion is still important to me. And I’m hoping she doesn’t realize I know those words.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  23. Wow. You wasted 10+ minutes of your life to come up with that? Better to have ignored me and taken the defeat. You never win anyway

    i like america (f4c1e0)

  24. #10, J-Ray, obviously you are a kind and generous man of deep convictions, discerning intellect, and the ability to judge superior character. You’re also a political analyst of the first order. I salute you.

    Ropelight (921f6e)

  25. It’s going to be hard to top this unless the Obama campaign starts pulling chairs out from under blind people as they sit down.

    Comment by DRJ — 9/12/2008 @ 5:52 pm

    LOL
    And then Biden will yell at them to get up!

    So THIS is what schadenfreude feels like. This flub is SO choice. hahahahaha

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  26. Obama would go into a meeting with Putin without googling him.

    They obviously do it with McCain. These people are idiots.

    Jack (d9cbc5)

  27. It is a good that Internet posting
    is anonymous. I guarantee you
    that if someone said some of the
    things to my face about Sen. McCain,
    there would be physical violence
    done.
    To make fun, or light, of a person, because
    of injuries, suffered in the course
    of their service to their country,
    is despicable, and says more about
    the mindset of the person making
    those comments, than on Sen. Mccain.

    Just Plain Bill (2a92e8)

  28. And in a nice twist, McCain-Feingold required the Obama campaign to include the “I’m Barack Obama and I approved this message“. In looking for someone to blame does Obama throw himself under the bus?

    stevesturm (b68da4)

  29. Don’t tell us, Just Plain Bill, tell Sen. Obama.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  30. At no point does anyone from the Obama campaign make fun of McCain’s injuries or physical inabilities.

    You guys are making shit up again and showing false umbrage.

    Like pig in a poke? that’s not even racist, that’s speciesist.

    datadave (eb12a5)

  31. datadave, so you don’t understand the post at all, and evidently did not bother to read it.

    That’s not news.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  32. datadork –

    At no point does anyone from the Obama campaign make fun of McCain’s injuries or physical inabilities.
    — Not intentionally. Instead, the campaign displays all the sensitivity and research powers of their VP candidate. They have 300 foreign policy advisors but not one person who could’ve researched this?

    Icy Truth (c9b193)

  33. datadave, I didn’t say makeing fun…

    I said mocking: v. mocked, mock·ing, mocks
    v.tr.

    1. To treat with ridicule or contempt; deride.

    2. a. To mimic, as in sport or derision. See Synonyms at ridicule. b. To imitate; counterfeit.

    3. To frustrate the hopes of; disappoint.
    v.intr. To express scorn or ridicule; jeer: They mocked at the idea. n.

    Now, if you’d like to take your post back, and try again, I’d be happy to kick your ass…er…discuss your post….

    reff (4ab894)

  34. All I have to say is, OMG. I thought Barack had good judgement. Good judgement requires that one has the best information and makes the correct decisions based on said information. Here Barack Obama shows that he had access to the information, refused to listen to it (failed to look before leeping) and made a judgement (to run an ad) that is totally whacked. How cool is that?

    A Stoner (94c167)

  35. John McCain 2008

    There’s no telling if he’s going to buy a tape from the Video Professor, or just have his son-in-law sit down with him for a few days, but John McCain has decided to learn how to use the internet.

    “I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself,” McCain told the New York Times in an interview that appeared Sunday. “I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need.”

    Even so, McCain bluntly admits, “I don’t e-mail. I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail.”

    JAR (6b0755)

  36. I’ve added a link to an Instapundit post on this subject, including this priceless comment:

    “I think they spent months trying to figure out how they can position Obama as better qualified than McCain, and basically came up with the fact that Obama can type.”

    DRJ (7568a2)

  37. Good job, JAR, you’ve successfully blindered yourself to all of the contradictory material linked above so that you can maintain your cult like fervor.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  38. JAR,

    That’s from the New York Times’ article I linked earlier and as I also suggested earlier, I think the Times and the Obama campaign got pwned. What McCain said is true but it isn’t the whole story, and no one dug any deeper because they liked the narrative of McCain as computer illiterate.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  39. Actually, Obama and his team might have known these facts about John McCain if they were a bit more internet savvy with an obscure website called Google.

    JoJo (bede92)

  40. DRJ, you need to close the “strong” tag in update 1.

    [Thanks, Daryl. I could use a little more internet savvy, too! — DRJ]

    Daryl Herbert (4ecd4c)

  41. Once again, the gang that couldn’t shoot straight – that ad is beyond parody at this point. Gotta love how much this reflects on David “Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius” Axelrod – can anyone think of more boneheaded maneuvers from a Pres. candidate that held a commanding lead less than three months before an election?

    Dmac (e639cc)

  42. Mocking McCain’s war injuries is a fuckin’ great campaign tactic. Double down on this one, Baracky.

    JD (5f0e11)

  43. I downloaded the You Tube and converted it to a MOV and WMV.

    They are posted here:

    http://nomayo.mu.nu/barack_obama_-_idiot

    Stephen Macklin (f552f7)

  44. Seriously. What a boneheaded move.

    “How low does a man have to sink to be president in this country?”

    – Hunter S. Thompson

    Leviticus (41975c)

  45. In Hunter’s case, he never found out, although not for lack of trying.

    Icy Truth (c9b193)

  46. How often do you think the President of the United States sits down and personally e-mails people? I’m sure a community organizer has a lot more time to net surf than a U.S. senator.
    Typical lib rhetoric;Old people are bad (particularly old white men), traditional families are bad, patriots are bad, America is bad.
    I personally don’t want a president who feels the need to make friends on myspace. Grow-up.

    BrentF (e8f3cb)

  47. The Democrats thought that any idiot could be McCain with Bush hanging around his neck, but it turns out they were wrong.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  48. JAR…I’ll just print in simple english for you…

    I’ll even spell it, so you can really get it….

    F-U-C-K Y-O-U A-S-S-H-O-L-E

    reff (4ab894)

  49. And, while I am just a regular reader/poster here, I’m not usually one to say that to anyone…

    You’ve made me reconsider my beliefs on that….

    Thank you….

    reff (4ab894)

  50. Huh. Another tech savvy jet jockey. Who da’ thunk?

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  51. BrentF, you da best.

    ” I personally don’t want a president who feels the need to make friends on myspace. Grow-up.”

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  52. #30, “buying a pig in a poke” is an idiomatic expression indicating the foolish practice of making a purchase without first examining the goods. Here, the “poke” is a bag. Thus, buying a pig in a poke is to pruchase livestock sight unseen. In this context, the idiom indicates Dems bought into Obama’s candidacy without sufficiently examining his fitness or qualifications.

    American English differs from other forms of the language spoken in Australia, New Zeland, South Africa and in Great Britan and Ireland in that our form includes a great many idioms. They add richness and texture to the unique evolution of our national tongue.

    Ropelight (921f6e)

  53. Barry, has a lot of “issues”, just look at his CBS interview posted on this site a few days ago.
    Being deserted by his daddy seems to have left him angry at older men, stable families and women.
    Very Freudian stuff. How can a this guy state that he doesn’t want his daughters “punished” by having a baby if they get pregnant? Is that what children are, punishment? Me thinks that someone has some deep seeded anger.

    BrentF (e8f3cb)

  54. I met Hunter S Thompson, he was an invited speaker at my school. I was on the Student Council and we paid him rather well. He showed up late, somewhat inebriated, grouchy, and incomprehensible. I asked for our money back, and he departed without further comment. We was robbed.

    Ropelight (921f6e)

  55. A predictable overtly racist response from you rubes.

    JD (5f0e11)

  56. JD…

    F-Y-A is not a racist slur…

    It applies to anyone who wears it on their face as Jar does….

    Wait….face….ass….I’ve got it!!!!

    Twins….

    reff (4ab894)

  57. I have a question, prompted by something I heard earlier today.

    Does the President of the United States actually send and receive emails? If so, is it concerning serious and classified material?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  58. #57 MD in Philly:

    Does the President of the United States actually send and receive emails? If so, is it concerning serious and classified material?

    Yes, and yes.

    A great deal of information is sent via classified networks…including email. And, you yourself can go to the White House webpage and send Mr. Bush an email.

    Not surprising, since what was once DARPANET has proven to be a success.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  59. When he was younger, John McCain could land a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier at night in a storm.

    Best I can tell, when he was younger, Obama could ride a bicycle.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  60. Did Biden see this ad before it went out? He could have told them how stupid it was from his long knowledge of McCain.

    Do any of the staff talk to each other over there.

    This is going to cost them big time. It blowing up all over the net.

    daytrader (ea6549)

  61. Barry O’s childhood did leave him scarred. He’s got an oedipus complex which leaves him scared of strong white women. Bull Doggy’s OK, but not strong white women.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  62. Can’t wait to see the ad the McCain camp comes back with.

    I hope it is good as his primary line about not being able to go to Woodstock because he was tied up.

    Body Slam the lightworker hard and fast.

    daytrader (ea6549)

  63. It reminds me of the radio ad from the election of 1940 that I heard:

    Voice 1: 1920. Franklin Delano Roosevelt runs for Vice President on the Democratic ticket headed by James A. Cox. A lot has happened in America since 1920. Prohibition, flappers, the Charleston, Jack Dempsey, the Stutz Bearcat. But Franklin Roosevelt has never danced the Charleston. He’s never ridden on the running board of a Stutz Bearcat. He’s never even shuffled off to Buffalo. After eight years of a President who is out of touch, we just can’t afford the same.

    Voice 2: I’m Wendell Willkie and I approve this message.

    JVW (6c4300)

  64. Hey, you know what? McCain has funny teeth too.

    Obama should run an ad about his teeth too.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  65. Thank you, EW1(SG)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  66. But remember, this is his chief executive experience — managing a campaign.

    rrpjr (fb0748)

  67. Obama should run an ad about his teeth too.

    — The comeback ad about Obama’s Mickey Mouse ears would be classic!

    Icy Truth (6b3828)

  68. Flapping those ears helps cool down his MASSIVE brain, or so his campaign says.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  69. Here’s the official Obama link to the ad on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ2I0t_Twk0&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/still_ad/

    I’m surprised there have been no negative comments about the ad on YouTube. Are the Google boys erasing right-of-center comments again?

    CowToe (bede92)

  70. Revised ad under consideration:

    McCain: Doesn’t “get” Lolcats.

    SarahW (a6e80b)

  71. “Obama said the last video game he played was Pong. Man is he in the forefornt of the digital revolution!

    Comment by tmac — 9/12/2008 @ 6:16 pm”

    Sheesh, he should be playing WoW. He could start a guild and have some real executive experience on his resume!

    Dan S (ca8a95)

  72. -The issue of McCain’s tech skills began when he sat down for an interview with TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington in November. Asked, “Are you a Mac or a PC guy?” McCain laughed and said “I am illiterate.” –

    “Q: Do you use a blackberry or email?
    Mr. McCain: No
    Mark Salter: He uses a BlackBerry, just ours.”
    here’s a photo
    “Computer illiterate”
    Nothing to do with fingers.
    As John Cole says.”This is officially the stupidest fucking election ever.

    JAR (6b0755)

  73. “Even so, McCain bluntly admits, “I don’t e-mail. I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail.””

    Up is down!

    JAR (6b0755)

  74. Jar, The NYT quotes in the Times report was linked above. ) And two reports based on it on NPR, and in Wired magazine)

    It doesn’t occure to you that McCain’s infrequent use of computers and limited use of other gadgets has something to do with the awkwardness and difficulty of using them?

    Because of course the NYT would never neglect any sort of salient backstory. Imagine!!

    – and, of course, McCain would never miss an opportunity to propound and emphasize his degree of his impairments from injury. How could it be so!!!!

    The truth is, old Maverick’s 2000 campaign was touted for it’s cutting edge utilization of technology. He has people, and he has people help connect him with all sources of information.

    And, moreover, to use it well. Unlike Team Obama, which can’t do a thorough internet search to save it’s tender punching mitts.

    Indeed. A president without LOLcats! Without TotalFark! Without a Facebook poke! It cannot be borne!

    SarahW (a6e80b)

  75. “As John Cole says.”This is officially the stupidest fucking election ever.”

    JAR – Agreed. When the democrats nominate the only one of their major candidates with a chance to lose in a year in which a victory should be a slam dunk, it is indeed a stupid fucking election.

    Congratulations moron.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  76. JAR – The election is an Own Goal for the democrats. A self-inflicted wound. A friendly fire incident.

    Wallow in your self-loathing some more. You seem to enjoy it.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  77. “When the democrats nominate the only one of their major candidates with a chance to lose in a year in which a victory should be a slam dunk, it is indeed a stupid fucking election.”

    Yeah. They should’ve picked the “Bitch” as McCain called her, but they chose the nigger instead. And the joke is that he’s a fucking Oreo!

    LOL

    JAR (6b0755)

  78. Now we know JAR is a true leftist: bitch, n***er, and f***ing all in a single post!

    Patricia (ee5c9d)

  79. Patricia – JAR’s self-loathing knows no bounds. That’s why he’s been here before under two different identities. He hated himself out of the first two.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  80. When I wrote the word “Bitch” I thought I was quoting John McCain. I was wrong. I apologize from the bottom of my cold cold heart.

    The word was spoken by a McCain Supporter
    “How do we beat the bitch?”
    McCain:”That’s an excellent question.”

    Though I guess when I get called cunt I guess you ARE quoting him:
    “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.”

    John McCain really loves his wife. No wonder she ended up addicted to painkillers

    JAR (6b0755)

  81. No. I don’t hate myself at all. But I’m still wondering how Mr Frey feels right now? You’re just the dogs in his pack. I’m not even sure he knows what he stands for anymore.

    JAR (6b0755)

  82. Thank you for the preemptive apology. That was very good of you.

    Because you know what would have happened if you had not apologized.

    Icy Truth (2b3e28)

  83. On the other hand — although I’m sure you will go on repeating it forever — please drop this “he called his wife a cunt” bullshit.

    Icy Truth (2b3e28)

  84. JAR – More lying liars from the most ethical Congress ever!

    From the NY Post:

    CHARLIE RANGEL STOPS DIVORCE PROCEDINGS AMID TAX DEBACLE
    Comments: 15Read Comments Leave a Comment By JANON FISHER
    Last updated: 5:39 pm
    September 12, 2008
    Posted: 4:52 pm
    September 12, 2008

    Beleaguered Harlem Congressman Charles Rangel withdrew his divorce against his wife of 42 years on the same day he came clean on his Dominican Republic tax dodge, The Post has learned.

    Rangel, whom the House ethics committee is probing for misusing Congressional stationery and a sweetheart rent control deal, had originally blamed his wife, Alma, 77, a retired social worker, for the Caribbean casita tax accounting snafu.

    The Congressman filed for divorce on Feb. 13 last year. The case had been scheduled for jury selection Wednesday.

    The same day, he agreed to pay $5,000 in back taxes on his Punta Cana Yacht Club retreat and by the afternoon, Alma Rangel’s lawyer, Sherri Donovan, asked the court clerk to release the Manhattan Supreme Court panel.

    “I guess they worked it out,” said the jury clerk.

    Page Six reported last year that the couple had separated and were living in separate apartments in the same building, but the Congressman always denied it.

    Alma Rangel denied any marital strife.

    “I don’t know anything about that. My husband is here and we still live together,” she said today. “We have two children and three grandchildren.”

    The Congressman refused to discuss it.

    JAR – Apart from yourself, who has called you the C word here, you self-loathing simpleton?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  85. Jar, your post about McCain using/not using a blackberry. You say “nothing to do with fingers.”

    What the fuck do you use with your cell phone, your tongue???

    What a putz you are….

    reff (4ab894)

  86. Reff, don’t you understand, JAR is one of those uniquely talented individuals who can dial his cell phone while it’s firmly entrenched up his anal cavity.

    “Up is down!”

    “JAR is coherent!”

    Dmac (e639cc)

  87. The willful stupidity of some of these posts is astonishing. McCain has lied continuously in his ads, and Palin appears to have given no thought any national or international topics. Beyond that, the more we find out about her so called “executive experience”, the claim to fame that her supports are clinging to, the worse her management skills appear. Hiring her friends? lying about the bridge to know where? an inability to admit her mistakes?

    How could anyone honestly support this ticket.

    rapchat (b2507d)

  88. rapchat…please post your facts on the lies, so we can rebutt….

    Of course, as you say we are learning more about Gov. Palin, your wrong there too…but…

    We don’t know anything about Obama, and he won’t tell us, and YOUR MSM won’t dig, so, what’s new….

    reff (4ab894)

  89. This must be the least intelligent campaign on both sides. Being a conservative it it is a disappointment. The lack of truth on both sides is flagrant. They take the electorate for idiots. 20% on both sides are dense and has a very low political IQ.
    A few facts: Obama is grossely inexperienced, but so is Palin. McCain has no executive experience neither does Biden nor Obama. Palin has zero foreign affair or national security experience so they should not try to convince anyone of that unless they believe that we are stupid. Obama is strong on ideas but weak on specifics. Issues, Issues Issues. We can judge as opposed to smear, smear, smear. On both sides

    Jr12008 (336985)

  90. Are you going to trot out examples of ‘lies in his ads”?
    Because some of the most angry complaints I’ve heard about, have been rather tarted up. Distortions. Lies themselves, even.

    For example, the sex-ed ad. NOT A LIE. Obama voted for it, as accused. More significantly, the strict language of the bill is not what the criers of “LYING LIES” have put out in protest. It does, in fact, call for each class, including K grades, to receive instruction in sexually transmitted disease, and it’s prevention and treatment.

    I mayself would spare young children that particular kind of instruction. YMMV and you may think that’s a fine idea, and if so, why are you protesting anyone bringing to light, Obama’s having voted for it? Because he voted for that.

    SarahW (a6e80b)

  91. The willful stupidity of some of these posts is astonishing.

    And yet, here you are – take a bow, Mr. Willfully Stupid. You must be so proud of your self – identification.

    Being a conservative….

    Sure you are, sweetheart. The sheer inanity of your post belies certain traits of Trollism (i.e. a pox on both of their houses – nice try, do come again.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  92. You can tell the level of desperation by the rising tide of mouthbreathers we’ve been experiencing here lately. A more accurate outlier is rarely seen.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  93. “They take the electorate for idiots.”

    Judging by your post, consider yourself taken.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  94. You do not need to type to use the internet. There is voice recognition sofware that makes typing obsolete.

    Dr. Judy (7fb374)

  95. We have voice recognition software on some of our computers. It maks us tak lik ths.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  96. Voice recognition isn’t ready to replace typing … but secretaries are great for that. And multi-millionaire Senators can certainly afford those.

    Still, McCain being computer illiterate (whether he is or not) isn’t relevant to the job of being President.

    i like america (f4c1e0)

  97. Obama is now a mocking bird and eating sour seeds. Obama is not only showing its true color but shows that he can play ugly and dirty. Obama has one finger pointing at others while 3 fingers pointing at himself. Big Words and few years in congress, one though of jointing the armed forces as to qualify for the President of United States.

    John (051eb2)

  98. Jr, sheesh, not another Moby.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  99. My Thoughts Exactly….It’s call a mulligan

    Wow…if he becomes president, do you think he can call a mulligan.

    Yep, he’s ready for the 3am phone call…HA!

    brenda (22d101)

  100. 88~

    The willful stupidity of some of these posts is astonishing.

    I am astonished! Astonished, I tell you!

    And that astonishment is seared, SEARED er, someplace, anyway.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  101. “For example, the sex-ed ad. NOT A LIE. Obama voted for it, as accused.”

    The law stated that any sex-ed classes currently being taught must in future include education about STD’s and child molesters.
    It wasn’t Obama’s bill but he voted for would. WOULDN’T YOU??

    And if McCain knows how to DIAL A CELL PHONE THEN HE CAN LEARN HOW TO TYPE.
    This has nothing to do with his fingers and everything to do with his mind.

    JAR (6b0755)

  102. JAR, I see you like making fun of McCain’s disabilities.

    That pretty much matches my opinion of you. But only because my opinion of you could not go lower.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  103. I think it is funny not in a mean way but ironic way that today Osama’s Campaign manager stated “today is the first day of the rest of the campaign” Apart from it being obvious every day is the first day of the ret of the days I mean DU anyone. I think it would have been more appropriate to say it’s over folks pack up your bags. I mean today when there is a disaster in TX with more than 4 million Americans being affected and after promising not to be negative at this time what does he do. He accuses McCain campaign of being nasty the nastiest ever. This coming from someone Obama who has run the most underhanded; hateful, vile, sexist campaign that I have ever seen. The man has no shame no honor and I ask everyone here to pray for the people in Texas whatever your religion or if you have none then think about them at least. I am so angry with Obama now I can not even express it.

    William Johnson (6051cd)

  104. Well, this might go down as one of the dirtiest campaign ever. Reminds me of Bush v. Kerry, and the nasty comments from Guboats ad (military brothers against their own; truly shameful). Funny enough, people,like some in blogs all over the nation, are getting nasty too. Why don’t you use this energy, the so-called “Patriots” to achieve positive things. Maybe even enlist in the Marine Corps or others to serve this great country.

    kenny (5c7c7c)

  105. #104 kenny:

    Why don’t you

    take a can of Campbell’s® tomato soup and shove where the sun don’t shine, sunshine?

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  106. kenny, That’s Obama’s claim. That he is being “Swiftboated”.

    And it is true. He is. Obama is being sunk by his own comments, truthfully reported. Not to mention his own incompetence.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  107. “That’s Obama’s claim. That he is being “Swiftboated”.”

    I thought that was Pat’s claim about Big Mac?

    From NBC’s Mark Murray

    For a candidate who prides himself in “straight talk” — and whose political image in part is based on that truth-telling reputation — Saturday proved to be a brutal day for John McCain and his campaign.

    First came a front-page New York Times piece noting that McCain “has drawn an avalanche of criticism this week from Democrats, independent groups and even some Republicans for regularly stretching the truth.” There was also an accompanying fact-check of McCain’s latest TV ad, which called it the “latest in a number that resort to a dubious disregard for the facts.”

    The Washington Post gave “four Pinnochios” to McCain’s recent assertion on “The View” that Palin never took earmarks as Alaska governor. Then the Boston Globe reported that Palin didn’t really travel inside Iraq as has been claimed. And Bloomberg News said that the McCain camp may not have been exactly truthful in estimating the size of its recent crowds. “Now officials say they can’t substantiate the figures McCain’s aides are claiming.”

    To top it off, McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said this to the Politico about the increased media scrutiny of the campaign’s factual claims: “We’re running a campaign to win. And we’re not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it.”

    JAR (6b0755)

  108. That’s the same media that has overblown Obama’s crowds, bragged about European crowds (literally none of whom can vote for him), failed to tell everyone about the “rock concerts” that are part of Obama’s crowds….

    Yes, McCain was wrong to say Palin/Alaska never took “earmarks” as governor…

    Of course, how else do states get money from the Feds, if not by “earmarks”….

    And, they never tell us about Obama’s earmarks, such as the one for his wife at her hospital…

    Or the one’s for Bill Ayers….

    reff (4ab894)

  109. JAR, Obama used the term “Swiftboat” in an interview earlier in the week.

    Pay attention, you’ll look less incompetent.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  110. I thought that this was a forum where intelligent and intellectual debates occured and issues were the focus. I object to 90% of Obama’s policies but I will not engage in ridiculous notion of mudslinging. John McCain will win on merit not with dirty tactics.

    Jr12008 (336985)

  111. It’s not a lie.

    Speaking to a teleconference audience of reporters around the nation, former Gov. Tony Knowles and current Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein — both Democrats — accused Palin of misleading the public in her new role as the vice presidential running mate of Arizona Sen. John McCain.
    While some of their complaints have already been aired, Knowles broke new ground while answering a reporter’s question on whether Wasilla forced rape victims to pay for their own forensic tests when Palin was mayor.
    True, Knowles said.

    Eight years ago, complaints about charging rape victims for medical exams in Wasilla prompted the Alaska Legislature to pass a bill — signed into law by Knowles — that banned the practice statewide.

    “There was one town in Alaska that was charging victims for this, and that was Wasilla,” Knowles said

    A May 23, 2000, article in Wasilla’s newspaper, The Frontiersman, noted that Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies regularly pay for such exams, which cost between $300 and $1,200 apiece.

    “(But) the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests,” the newspaper reported.

    It also quoted Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon objecting to the law. Fannon was appointed to his position by Palin after her dismissal of the previous police chief. He said it would cost Wasilla $5,000 to $14,000 a year if the city had to foot the bill for rape exams.

    “In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victims’ insurance company when possible,” Fannon told the newspaper. “I just don’t want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer.”

    JAR (6b0755)

  112. Once again it is not because I am a conservative that I have to ingest whatever is spewed and regurgitate such nonsense, I can think for myself and arrive at logical conclusion without the spoofeeding. That being said, there are records on both sides so one can research and make INTELLIGENT and RATIONAL analysis. There is something called the scientific method. Remember no one is 100% right but also no one is 100% wrong especially politicians.

    Jr12008 (336985)

  113. JAR, I knew you would bite and insist that the lie was true.

    Your incompetence is becoming legendary.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  114. 113~

    Remember no one is 100% right

    Yeah? So where, exactly, is this leading to, Einstein?

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  115. EW1(SG), you can’t see the theory of relativity coming out of this discussion, can you?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  116. What a surprise that the Obama Campaign seems to be one of the parties spreading the rape kit myth.

    The Palin Rape Kit Myth
    Amanda Carpenter
    Thursday, September 11, 2008

    The latest myth touted on liberal blogs that’s bubbled its way into mainstream news headlines is the one where Sarah Palin ordered rape victims to pay for their own rape kits.

    “Palin’s Town Used to Bill Victims for Rape Kits” was headline on a Thursday USA Today news story. Reporters Ken Dilanian and Matt Kelley used a 2000 quote from former Wasilla Police Chief to blame Palin for an outdated, now illegal policy she never supported.

    “In the past, we’ve charged the cost of exams to victim’s insurance companies when possible,” former chief Charlie Fannon told the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman in 2000 as then-Democratic Governor Tony Knowles was signing legislation to make local police branches cover the costs of the kits.

    “I just don’t want to see any more burden on the taxpayer,” Fannon said at the time, which was reprinted in the USA Today.

    Fannon went on to say that he believed the criminal should be held responsible for the costs, which run from $5,000-$14,000 per year for all assault cases. USA Today did not reprint those quotes from the interview, though. “The forensic exam is just one part of the equation,” Fannon said at the time “I’d like to see the courts make these people pay restitution for these things.”

    Liberal blogs like HuffingtonPost, DailyKos and Salon.com are using this interview the Frontier conducted with Fannon to accuse Palin, who was mayor of Wasilla from 1996-2002, of supporting making rape victims pay for their rape kits– a charge vehemently denied by her aides.

    “It would appear that Sarah Palin has a problem with Rape,” blogger Steven R wrote on the DailyKos. “In addition to not supporting the availability of Abortion for victims of Rape, Mayor Sarah Palin, Maverick, Fiscal Conservative, also had citizens of Wasilla pick up the bill for their own forensics tests.”

    Palin spokeswoman Maria Cornella told USA Today that Palin, “does not believe, nor has ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test.”

    “Gov. Palin’s position could not be more clear,” Cornella said. “To suggest otherwise is a deliberate misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice.”

    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign advisers organized a conference call Tuesday with former Alaskan Governor Knowles and Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein to do just that.

    Knowles told reporters, “There was one town in Alaska that was charging victims for this, and that was Wasilla, and the — the original police chief had been fired by Mayor Palin, and her replacement for that police chief was protesting it, and even when I signed the bill.”

    Weinstein added, “Wasilla under Sarah Palin’s administration chose to charge sexual assault victims for the forensic kits, and that’s the choice they made. They easily could have made the other choice.”

    Palin appointed Fannon as police chief in 1997. His predecessor was fired by Palin over his willingness to limit the town’s bar operating hours. Fannon was one of three candidates considered for the job and the City Council confirmed him in a 5-0 vote.

    Palin later tangled with Fannon when he ran for Wasilla’s mayoral office during her gubernatorial race. Fannon created campaign ads containing a false endorsement from Palin. Palin did not support Fannon for mayor. She supported his rival, Curt Menard.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  117. SPQR, what is the “lie,” here? That Wasilla charged rape victims’ insurance companies for the rape kits until the state banned the practice is a matter of public record. Palin didn’t initiate this odious policy, of course, but I’m not aware of any evidence she lifted a finger to end it, either, and by all accounts her hand-picked police chief (is there any other kind?) did lift a finger to oppose the law that ultimately banned it. Unlike 99.99% of all the other bad stuff the left has been saying about Palin over the last couple of weeks, this one seems to be a legitimate issue. Not an election killer, of course – personally, I’d accept “OK, this time I screwed up” as an answer – but a legitimate issue nonetheless, and not one that can be wished away simply by calling it a “lie” or a “myth.”

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  118. #116 SPQR:

    you can’t see the theory of relativity coming out of this discussion, can you?

    Not really, but I could see working in Schröedinger’s cat over on the LA Times thread …

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  119. Xrlq – I think if you review the spin that the lefty blogs are putting on this, they are adding the innuendo that by making rape victims pay for exam kits Palin is somehow forcing her own view of abortion and choice into the process, which is ridiculous. To me that is the myth and lie that is being propagated out there. I have seen nothing, as you indeed indicated, that this was a new policy under Palin or that she specifically supported it. Huffington Post makes the ridiculous stretch assertion tyhat she supported ot because she signed off on the town budget, where it doesn’t even appear.

    The other big spin item raising hackles is that having a victim or their insurance company pay for an exam is apparently not that unusual, even though the article claims Wasilla was the only town in Alaska in 2000 that operated that way. Other states and towns still operate that way and the situation has gotten attention as a result of this phony controvery.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  120. “I object to 90% of Obama’s policies but I will not engage in ridiculous notion of mudslinging.”

    Bad parody of someone speaking Chinese?

    Dmac (e639cc)

  121. “That Wasilla charged rape victims’ insurance companies for the rape kits until the state banned the practice is a matter of public record”

    NO.
    If the victim had insurance
    the insurance paid.
    Otherwise the victim paid.

    From my link above:
    “In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victims’ insurance company when possible,” Fannon told the newspaper. “I just don’t want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer.”

    D-rocks “they are adding the innuendo that by making rape victims pay for exam kits Palin is somehow forcing her own view of abortion and choice into the process, which is ridiculous.”

    No, we’re just saying that the whole thing is just obscene on its face.

    JAR (6b0755)

  122. “No, we’re just saying that the whole thing is just obscene on its face.”

    JAR – Do you have a shred of evidence that Palin either implemented the policy or supported the policy?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  123. “D-rocks “they are adding the innuendo that by making rape victims pay for exam kits Palin is somehow forcing her own view of abortion and choice into the process, which is ridiculous.”

    No, we’re just saying that the whole thing is just obscene on its face.”

    JAR – I call BULLSHIT. Palin scares the piss out of you bedwetters. Survey the lefty blogs and see what they’re actually saying and you’ll confirm what I said you lying sack of shit. You can’t handle people who are prolife or who believe in God. They must be destroyed for the intolerant party of socialism, sodomy, and abortion to flourish. Republicans can actuallt handle diversity. Democrats melt down in practice.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  124. JAR – How do you feel about your candidate’s support for infanticide? He supports allowing babies which survive abortions, living, breathing, moving, babies not receiving medical and being allowed to die. Most people view that as pretty monstrous. Obama doesn’t like to talk about it.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  125. “Republicans can actually handle diversity.”

    I have no problem with Palin’s views on abortion, only with her interest in imposing those opinions on others.

    “Choice” includes the right to not have an abortion under any circumstances, even in cases of rape, incest or the risk to the health of the woman.

    JAR (6b0755)

  126. “Choice” also leads to doctors making the choice for you, or, as that Canadian doctor said in an article this week, “BAD” choices by women who “choose” to have a Down Syndrome child….

    reff (4ab894)

  127. More “choice:” Doctors “choosing” to end your life because you are terminal, or because you are in severe pain, because the know better what “choice” you should make….

    Jar, there is a reason that conservatives are so willing to fight for “LIFE” over “CHOICE:”

    Because it ends up that the person being “CHOSEN” to die doesn’t usually have any say in the matter….

    reff (4ab894)

  128. What we can say is that many other people – perhaps most – think of “infanticide” as the killing of an infant that would otherwise live. And there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus’ life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must “exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion.” Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony. NRLC calls this law “loophole-ridden.”

    JAR (6b0755)

  129. JAR,

    I don’t want government telling me what to do either but after years of experience with doctors, I guarantee you that they make choices for their patients every day. The vast majority I’ve dealt with are well-meaning but that doesn’t mean their choices are what’s best for their patients.

    More important, when doctors choose for their patients – something that primarily happens because doctors consciously or unconsciously make some decisions sound better than others or when they present limited options – it’s harder for patients to live with those decisions. It’s far easier for people to live with decisions, whether they turn out good or bad, when they make them as a result of even-handed informed consent.

    I don’t see any indication Sarah Palin wants to make contraceptive, abortion, or related decisions for other people. What I see is someone who believes people should know there are many views on these subjects.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  130. #123 – JAR

    No, we’re just saying that the whole thing is just obscene on its face.

    — Who all are the “we” in “we’re”? Exactly how many of you are banging around inside that coconut?

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  131. Jar, I don’t think you read your own link:

    Obama lied about his opposition to the Born Alive bill, then changed his mind about his lie, then changed it again….

    So, what it amounts to is that Obama is in favor of allowing aborted fetuses that can survive outside the womb to be allowed to die as an abortion, rather than to be saved as a living child.

    I pray that this is not your child….

    reff (4ab894)

  132. Billing insurance companies for services rendered to their clients covered under terms of their policy is obscene?
    Huh.
    Are you an insurance company lobbyist?

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  133. JAR – As reff just pointed out, that Factcheck link you supplied actually confirms my point. Of you want me to needlessly cut and paste all the junk here I can, but your man has never voted to limit any kind of abortion, always against it, including partial birth abortion.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  134. JAR – Do you have a shred of evidence that Palin either implemented the policy or supported the policy?

    That question was on the rape kits that you have brought up on this blog on several threads. Do you have anything or not?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  135. “I have no problem with Palin’s views on abortion, only with her interest in imposing those opinions on others.”

    JAR – How do you think she plans on imposing her views on others? Why do you liberal morons keep forgetting we live in a democratic society AND that is also possible to hold personal views separate from policy views, a point which she emphasized in her interview.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  136. daley…it’s worse than just not voting to limit a number or type of abortion…

    His votes would lead to the following: a botched abortion, one in which the fetus is found to be alive outside the womb–in other words, a living, breathing child–would be allowed to die, and not given the life-saving measures that could–would–save that child’s life.

    That is what Obama’s votes represent….Obama tries to say he would support the law signed by Bush, but, the link that Jar provided says exactly the opposite.

    reff (4ab894)

  137. JAR – You need reinforcements. You are sinking fast.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  138. No, daley…

    Let him get his reinforcements…I want to see his defense of this…

    Votes which would allow a living, breathing child to die…

    Like his denial of comprehensive sex ed for kindergarten children, which he voted for, then said in a stump speech “It’s the right thing to do”….

    reff (4ab894)

  139. Jar…go to the link and see in Obama’s own words that teaching comprehensive sex education to kindergarten children….

    “It’s the right thing to do”

    reff (4ab894)

  140. #137 daleyrocks:

    AND that is also possible to hold personal views separate from policy views, a point which she emphasized in her interview.

    AND which she has a demonstrated history of doing in her executive capacity as Governor of the State of Alaska in her very first veto of legislation!

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  141. JAR,

    It’s not Republicans you need to worry about. Democrats like Travis County Judge Charlie Baird are the only people I see who want government to make decisions for us about having children.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  142. JAR – You are getting absolutely crushed. Napalmed!

    Do you have anything or not?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  143. Napalm…..

    Of course, I’d rather have Donald Sutherland leading his Shermans up against Jar, loud speakers blaring Hank Williams’ “All for the Love of Sunshine” but I can’t find it on a video….

    reff (4ab894)

  144. JAR?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  145. “Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan isn’t a fan of the $3.3 trillion of tax cuts proposed by Republican presidential nominee John McCain. He says the country can’t afford the cuts without similar reductions in the federal budget. “I’m not in favor of financing tax cuts with borrowed money,” Greenspan says.”

    factcheck (336985)

  146. Factcheck – If that’s how Greenspan feels about McCain, he must feel worse about Obama’s plans, right?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  147. The proposal was supported by a coalition of education and public health organizations, including the Illinois Parent Teacher Association, the Illinois State Medical Society, the Illinois Public Health Association and the Illinois Education Association.

    Mr. Obama voted for the bill in committee, where it passed, but it never came to a full and final vote. The proposal called for “age and developmentally appropriate” sex education and also allowed parents the option of withdrawing their children from such classroom instruction if they felt that it clashed with their beliefs or values.

    …It is a misstatement of the bill’s purpose, therefore, to maintain, as the McCain campaign advertisement does, that Mr. Obama favored conventional sex education as a policy for 5-year-olds. Under the Illinois proposal, “medically accurate” education about more complicated topics, including intercourse, contraception and homosexuality, would have been reserved for older students in higher grades.

    The advertisement, then, also misrepresents what the bill meant by “comprehensive.” The instruction the bill required was comprehensive in that it called for a curriculum that went from kindergarten and through high school, not in the sense that kindergarteners would have been fully exposed to the entire gamut of sex-related issues.”

    JAR (6b0755)

  148. Actually, the sex ed bill is a good bill with ideas that are proven to work. Informing children about sexual predators and their methods which by the expert who has tested them (he was on the radio recently) is effective. Internet predation btw is very rare. The main method (of predators) is through pretending to be a ‘friend’ and in person. The research was done with actual victims and villains ( ).

    McCain’s ad was corrupt and wrong as it suggested Obama supported sexuality encouragement. The training indicated by the national expert was unsexual and emphasized predation techniques and how to resist them and to encourage kids to report strange behavior.

    It seems like this website is doing what Obama does too…following up on the opposition too slowly to keep up. The campaigns have already moved on to the next chess-like moves. And I’ll agree I am not to impressed with Team Obama of late but McCain’s is effective and corrupt. I’ll admit that Sarah Palin’s emergence really shook up Obama’s momentum. If he wants to win he needs to regain the momentum…a hint for this site. McCain is more blatant in his lies and distortions but then Obama isn’t pure either. It seems that the more blatant lies are working like Sarah Palin doesn’t take ‘earwigs’ (to the average undesided voter…it might as well be earwigs).

    You’re not going to convince Obama fans and they aren’t going to convince you all….but the undecided vote (dumbers?) is being played. So the dumber the accusation, like McCain saying Obama is for Sexual Education for li’l kids is dumber material. Obama might be playing that card too…to catch up with McCain. Catch up isn’t so good a game to play I’ll admit…we can get more current mat’l but my satelite dish is down…crappola.

    datadave (eb12a5)

  149. and we know how Republican abstinence-only programs work don’t we.

    NOT!

    datadave (eb12a5)

  150. Could the trolls kindly remind us why Obama is acting like his POTUS opponent is Palin and not McCain? Sorry wads, but I’m starting to think the magic negro will face a tsunami of rejection the more I hear the garbage spewing from the media and Obama minions.
    Ann Althouse cracks me up and shows her moonbatiness. Says she worries how blacks will “feel” if Obama loses and it is a consideration to take in voting for him. What bullshit logic is that? If Clarence Thomas were running for Potus against Gore/Kerry/Clinton, who the hell do you think I’d vote for? A white person because they are white? We already know that blacks want a black potus and not just any black man, as uncle toms don’t count. So they may give Obama vote percentages approaching what Stalin or Castro received. You knee jerk, bleeding heart a-holes are despicable. But I guess I should worry about how an Obama loss upsets blacks, moonbats in general and the small-stones Euroweenie crowds?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  151. JAR & DD – You are both full of shit. The McCain ad does not say “conventional sex ed, but nice try. The curriculum fot gtades K-3 includes masturbation, intercourse, and homosexuality. Again, nice try.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  152. “dumbers”

    heh. That’s a winning campaign strategy. “Vote for us ’cause you’re dumber than a sack of rocks.”

    Maybe you could bring up again the fact that Palin is for banning library books? That worked out well for you, didn’t it?

    Keep trying. I’m sure there’s a scandal about Palin that will finally close the deal for you.

    steve miller (e13d01)

  153. “conventional sex ed”

    WTF?
    Try again son.

    JAR (6b0755)

  154. DD & JAR – Could you two tools find a smear or rebuttal that has some actual truth in it for a change? So far all you’ve brought is recycled crap from biased lefty web sites, the NY Slimes or similar untrustworthy sources.

    This is too fuking easy.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  155. Someone tell me why the NY slimes continues to try to crucify Palin and presents their opinions as facts while making zero effort to investigate the magic negro’s past connections and dealings? It is all beyond parody. These various media giants have to make up lies or edit things to change the gist of what Palin actually did or said. I don’t watch any of the talking buffoons who are mostly in the tank for Obama, but I’d enjoy watching them meltdown after a big Obama defeat. Imagine Mitchell, Olberdouche and I squat to pee Matthews in tears and rage? Three stolen presidencies in a row? Ok, racism would be one of their purported reasons, but what else?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  156. “…It is a misstatement of the bill’s purpose, therefore, to maintain, as the McCain campaign advertisement does, that Mr. Obama favored conventional sex education as a policy for 5-year-olds. Under the Illinois proposal, “medically”

    JAR – Quote is in your comment.

    WTF?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  157. I thought so.

    later

    JAR (6b0755)

  158. Xrlq, at no time does any of the reports tie the policy to Palin herself. That’s why these are lies.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  159. Jar, not “conventional” sex ed…

    COMPREHENSIVE SEX ED FOR KINDERGARTEN

    <i>Full Text of SB0099
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    AN ACT concerning education.

    Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, represented in the General Assembly:

    Section 5. The School Code is amended by changing Sections 27-9.1 and 27-9.2 as follows:

    (105 ILCS 5/27-9.1) (from Ch. 122, par. 27-9.1) Sec. 27-9.1. Sex Education.

    (a) No pupil shall be required to take or participate in any class or course in comprehensive sex education if the pupil’s his parent or guardian submits written objection thereto, and refusal to take or participate in such course or program shall not be reason for suspension or expulsion of such pupil. Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.

    reff (4ab894)

  160. Why don’t you read what I post?
    Posted above, a quotation from the link.

    “…It is a misstatement of the bill’s purpose, therefore, to maintain, as the McCain campaign advertisement does, that Mr. Obama favored conventional sex education as a policy for 5-year-olds. Under the Illinois proposal, “medically accurate” education about more complicated topics, including intercourse, contraception and homosexuality, would have been reserved for older students in higher grades.”

    “Comprehensive” refers to the the program as a whole, not Kindergarten alone.

    Out for the day.
    ttfn

    JAR (6b0755)

  161. “Under the Illinois proposal, “medically accurate” education about more complicated topics, including intercourse, contraception and homosexuality, would have been reserved for older students in higher grades.””

    JAR – The topics are not avoided at the lower grades. Check for yourself. Why don’t you read what I post!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  162. How can it be a misstatement when the exact words are in the bill???

    Either the Bill says what it says, or it does not….

    reff (4ab894)

  163. JAR is becoming famous for maintaining his belief regardless of how often the foundational facts for his belief turn out to be completely false.

    There ought to be a word for someone who keeps an opinion even as the entire basis for it disappears …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  164. JAR:

    If the victim had insurance the insurance paid.
    Otherwise the victim paid.

    Please provide documentation of a single uninsured victim who was asked to pay for the kit. Or admit that you are full of crap, which won’t really cost you that much since everyone reading this thread already knows that. Seeing you admit to as much would actually increase most readers’ impressions of you, so have at it.

    SteveG:

    Billing insurance companies for services rendered to their clients covered under terms of their policy is obscene?

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  165. “Please provide documentation of a single uninsured victim who was asked to pay for the kit.”

    “In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victims’ insurance company when possible,” Fannon told the newspaper.”

    I assume it wasn’t always possible. But that was the policy. And the policy was obscene.
    And it took a change is state law to end it.

    JAR (6b0755)

  166. Isn’t it amazing how he quotes the question, and then gives a response that DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION AT ALL?

    Icy Truth (74c635)

  167. Duh hickey, Jar-Jar. We all assume it wasn’t always possible to bill the insurance company. I didn’t ask for documentation of that. I asked for documentation of your assumption that they billed the individual when billing the insurer wasn’t possible. And of course you have none, so now would be a great time for you to man up and say “I, Jar-Jar Binks, hereby admit to having been a complete and total dumbass. I’m sorry.”

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  168. Medicare’s Stark rule has been interpreted very broadly and health care providers must bill whenever there is health insurance of any kind. In order to protect themselves from a charge of “buying” patients.

    It has not, however, been interpreted to apply to self-pays. (Yet.) Health care providers can charge or not charge people without health insurance as they please.

    nk (d681ef)

  169. Xrlq, there have been so many opportunities for that, and yet JAR ignored them all, no matter how much his backside stung from the spanking.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  170. Hi,

    I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently signed:

    “Impeach Senator Barack Obama”
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    I really think this is an important cause, and I’d like to encourage you to add your signature, too. It’s free and takes less than a minute of your time.

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    WillNotBeFooledByObamaNATION (c62648)

  171. Words fail me. Almost.

    First, we have Joe Biden encouraging a handicapped, wheelchair bound Chuck Graham to stand up for a crowd.

    Then we have Obama’s Law Review Article, the only one he wrote, on the topic of abortion, where he says the state has an interest in ” preventing increasing numbers of children from being born in to lives of pain and despair.” Got that? If you are pregnant with a child with a possible birth defect, the state has an interest in you aborting it. So much for Trig Palin.

    And now we have the latest ad from the Obama/Biden camp making fun of John McCain for not being able to use a computer or send email. Obama/Biden poke fun at McCain, suggesting he is old and doesn’t get the new technology.

    One small problem.

    John McCain’s hands were so severly crushed by his torture as a POW, he can’t use a keyboard. It is physically impossible for him. John McCain cannot brush his own hair or tie his own shoes. He is a brilliant man, but he cannot lift one of his arms higher than his elbow. Prior to being tortured and having his bones broken over and over, John McCain could fly jets. So let’s not pretend McCain is some doddering buffoon who doesn’t understand technology.

    John McCain is handicapped.

    Obama and Biden are asses.

    Furthermore, I stumble a clash videos awhile ago, the US Presidential candidates have talked taxes. The said clash videos is being featured in http://clashorama.com/index.php?id=194

    Megan Young (508d4b)


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