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7/23/2008

“Dodd, If You Want To Be VP, I Need A Favor – Fast.” UPDATED WITH VIDEO

Filed under: General — WLS @ 11:58 am



Posted by WLS:

Where’s the MSM on this? From Obama’s press conference today in Israel:

Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.

Well, he has been away from the Capitol a lot lately:

Democrat members of Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee:

Dodd (Ch), Johnson, Reed Schumer, Bayh, Carper, Menendez, Akaka, Brown, Casey, and Tester.

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership

Maybe being unfamiliar with the layout of the Capitol given the infrequency of his visits, he wandered into a meeting of the Senate Banking Committee, sat down and figured that made him a member.

Or maybe he was just being “inartful” again?

Or maybe he’ll blame it on a staffer who compiled the list of his committee assignments for him to memorize since he wouldn’t be otherwise involved, given the campaign and all.

H/T Powerline

UPDATED: Here’s the video of him making the statement — no misstatement here, just a blatant lie.

Update x2 — Why is this any less significant than Hillary’s embellishment of her Bosnia-landing under sniper fire?

326 Responses to ““Dodd, If You Want To Be VP, I Need A Favor – Fast.” UPDATED WITH VIDEO”

  1. Once again, the MSM double – standard is in full play here. If McCain said this, he’d be roundly castigated as an old fool, someone who’s lost his bearings. But as for their chosen one, you cannot criticize or point out any inconsistencies regarding their Precious.

    Dmac (416471)

  2. This is nothing other than a racist distraction that does not help Michelle keep fresh fruit in the house FOR THE CHILDREN !!!!!!!!!!!11

    JD (75f5c3)

  3. When Kerry was running, I recall that he missed 90+% of the votes in the Senate and at least 3/4 of the scheduled committee meetings of those committees on which he was a member.

    What are Obama’s numbers like these days?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  4. “Dodd, If You Want To Be VP, I Need A Favor – Fast.”

    LMAO!!!

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  5. a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.

    First, I don’t think that there are any US companies involved with Iran, given the State of war and lack of any kind of diplomatic relations between our countries, so this isn’t going to be much of a threat.

    Second, the Iranians have already turned down one of the largest “carrots” in the history of the planet, and said, “no, thanks, we’re going to keep refining that uranium until it can power a bomb. (How else are we going to bury Israel in a sea of nuclear fire without a bomb?)” so what does yet another toothless bill accomplish, even IF Obama weren’t completely mental?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  6. When I was going to college, there was a dude, a B.M.O.C., who was the best at everything to hear him tell it. He was always hitting on the coeds, or lying about his accomplishments both to facultiy and fellow students. Barrack was, without doubt this sort of person. Bullshit is bullshit. This idiot will say anything and then deny he said it. The worst part is the media lets him get away with it. Our only hope is for the 527s to hilight his BS for the public to see once and for all.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  7. The least he could have done was said he voted ‘here’, but that would have been a lie to since he has been here, there, and everywhere except the Senate. A record 143 days in attendance since he was elected, but then welfare riders always expect a check for no work. More affairmative action education at work? Is this good for Michelle’s children?

    Scrapiron (d671ab)

  8. Sorry but we do have one company doing business with Iran. An outfit called ‘GE’. Look for the label and leave it on the shelf, it could be accidently damaged.

    Scrapiron (d671ab)

  9. Obama is starting to sound more and mor like republican every day.

    ww2 (983921)

  10. An outfit called ‘GE’.

    The same ones who own NBC?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  11. Maybe obama should buy all the safron from Iran and sell here.

    ww2 (983921)

  12. I noticed Obama the First did not begin the lie about being on a committee he is not on with the words “I have always said” Pathological liars like Obama usually preceed a lie with certain words to alert those paying attention what follows is doubtful at best and an outright lie at worst. He told AIPAC he stood for an undivided Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. He changed that with the statement “I have always said Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel”. Notice the removal of the term undivided. You just have to wonder who this man is a front for? On his own, he does not seem to have a clue.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  13. Ladies and gentlemen, Allow me to introduce you to Bill S.1430:

    S.1430 : A bill to authorize State and local governments to direct divestiture from, and prevent investment in, companies with investments of $20,000,000 or more in Iran’s energy sector, and for other purposes.
    Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 5/17/2007) Cosponsors (35)
    Committees: Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
    Latest Major Action: 5/17/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.

    Source:

    Library of Congress (Thomas Database Online)

    Peter (e70d1c)

  14. The same ones who own NBC?

    The very one. Bill O’Reilly is all over GE’s tap-dancing on their interests in Iran, but he’s obviously partially motivated by his feuds with Keith Blowhardmann, Chris Matthews, et al.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  15. Why the heil did he authorize this?

    ww2 (983921)

  16. Aw come on wls, he was there….in spirit. Oh my God! shhhhh….He is here. On your knees everyone. The great One is passing by. Praise be to his name!…

    love2008 (1b037c)

  17. Sponsoring a bill (among 34 others) is not the same as sitting on the Committee it gets assigned to.

    Seems like you could have noodled that one out for yourself, there, Petey, but we know all about your intellectual shortcomings…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  18. don’t you all get it? When you run a place, like Obama obviously does with the Senate (Reid just thinks he does), EVERY committee is your committee.

    steve sturm (a0236e)

  19. Nice try, Peter. Back to high school government class. The attempts I’ve heard at inflating Obama’s legislative record have been amusing among his sycophants. I was told with a straight face by a coworker that Obama WROTE legislation to eliminate stray nukes. Within seconds it was easy to find the Nunn-Lugar Act that has been in existence for over 15 years and has received near unanimous approval every time it has come up for renewal. Seems like Obama added a couple of classes of weapons, said “how ’bout these too?” and penciled his name in place of Nunn’s.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)


  20. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee

    Peter, Oiram, et al. Pray tell do explain to us what is even remotely honest about this quote.

    JD (75f5c3)

  21. So any companies with investments of less than 20 million are O.K.? What a joke. It should read “any investment of $1.00 or more.” He’s toast. And after the election there will be wailing and knashing of teeth by the Antique Media who will blame it all on white racism when blacks will vote for Obamasiah 95 to 1 and whites will vote for McCain 70 to 30. McCain is gonna kill this guy — Obamasiah will only take his home state and the most liberal states. Everyone else will exhibit some common sense and vote for the more qualified guy.

    J. Raymond Wright (d83ab3)

  22. #19,

    Lord help us all. May the 57 states come together and out-vote the nitwits and racists backing this cretin.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  23. Peter #13: And if that’s the bill he’s referring to, the last action was back in 2007, so it obviously can’t be the bill Obama said was just reported out of committee. Or I missing something?

    And I’m admittedly no expert on searching Senate activity, but I can’t find the particular bill just reported out of the banking committee.

    steve sturm (a0236e)

  24. Ok Peter — then Obama misspoke. He sponsored the legislation, but it was directed for consideration to a Committee on which he did not sit.

    But Obama said quite cleary the legislation passed out of “my committee.”

    Now, as has been pointed out elsewhere, this is really just another meaningless piece of legislation that accomplishes nothing of substance against Iran.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  25. Maybe I’m better than I gave myself credit for, I found the bill that just passed, and surprise surprise, it’s not the bill Peter was referencing, as evidenced by Obama’s own web site which refers to this bill as having included provisions from the bill Obama sponsored back in 2007.

    which makes me think: why couldn’t Obama persuade his colleagues to back the bill he sponsored back in 2007?

    steve sturm (a0236e)

  26. So, either Peter is lying, Obama is lying, or both.

    Place your bets, folks…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  27. Obama is in an upward spiral of megalomania. He thinks he is president and that he is a member, if not chairman, of all Senate committees. The press is feeding this, as Joe Klein illustrates nicely, and I only hope the voters get it before he is in for four years.

    Mike K (6d4fc3)

  28. but we know all about your intellectual shortcomings…

    Ah…but what is a day without getting zinged by the Drummer.

    Is splitting hairs about whether he’s on, or off or working, with or soon to be nominated to this committee, more important than that the content of the Bill and that Obama is playing a significant role in putting pressure on Iran?

    Answer honestly.

    Or I’m going to start talking about a certain mythical border no one had ever heard about, until it was recently discovered by McNap.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  29. ooh, I bet Iran is just quaking at the threat of this do-nothing bill. what’s that sound I hear, Iran shutting down its nuke program because they can’t stand the pressure this bill is going to put on them?

    and (perhaps to no surprise), Peter, you miss the bigger point: Obama was taking credit for something he wasn’t or something he didn’t do. it’s somewhat akin to gore inventing the internet, kerry’s excellent cambodian adventure.

    steve sturm (a0236e)

  30. that Obama is playing a significant role in putting pressure on Iran?

    What kind of pressure is he putting on Iran? Seriously, and be specific.

    While you’re trying to spin those particular misstatements into shape, try the question above in comment #20:

    He’s referencing the wrong bill and he’s claiming membership on the Senate Banking Committee.

    What part of that sentence was even remotely true?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  31. Ah…but what is a day without getting zinged by the Drummer.

    When you lead with a glass jaw, don’t complain about spending more time prone than standing…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  32. No Peter — this is another in a series of Obama statements where he strays beyond the literal truth in order to make the statement more forceful.

    Why not simply say “The Senate Banking Committee last week passed out a bill I sponsored to permit divestiture …..”?

    And its not “careless” speaking — its a deliberate telling of an untruth. The suggestion made in his comment is that HE’s spearheading the effort — it passed out of HIS committee. HE’s to be congratulated.

    Its further evidence of his narcissitic view of the world and his place in it.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  33. The issue is not the bill or who sponsored it. The issue is Obama claimed he was on a committee of which he is NOT a member. The only thing left on the table is what other lies has Obama told? Anyone paying attention knows the number is large. Kind of like the story of the guy negotiating with a female for sexual favors. As the price when up, her refusal reduced, finally when the right amount was agreed upon the young woman agreed to the terms which time the guy offered far less money. When the female complained about the price. The guy said we were trying to establish what you are, now we will decide what your product is worth.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  34. Pointing out blatantly false statements about one’s committee membership is now “splitting hairs.” Is splitting hairs about whether I was accepted to, saw pictures of the campus, or ever set foot in New Haven really matter about my claiming that I’m a Yale graduate?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  35. #8: According to this GE press release, GE has been divesting its interests in Iran since 2005:

    “In 2005, GE and its board decided it would no longer do business in Iran because of developing conditions in that country and concerns expressed by shareowners. The exceptions were to run down existing contracts and humanitarian activity authorized by U.S. Government licenses. Since then, GE has done everything it said it would do in 2005. Today, GE has very little business left in Iran and will have completed all business in Iran by the end of June.”

    In addition, GE’s international website does not include Iran as a country in which it does business, although I don’t know if it sells to distributors who market GE products in Iran.

    DRJ (297528)

  36. Y’know, if Democrats were merely stupid, rather than actively working against American interests, they’d be right more often. (Hell, random chance says they would be right roughly 50% of the time, but can anyone here remember a time when the Democrats were actually RIGHT about anything involving national security?)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  37. REPENT WLS! Repent of your blasphemy and the One will purge you of your evil mind and forgive you. He will wave his skinny fingers over you and say “em…um…uh…Change. You need to change..em..um..uh..” May his name be praised.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  38. And if that’s the bill he’s referring to, the last action was back in 2007, so it obviously can’t be the bill Obama said was just reported out of committee. Or I missing something?

    Well there’s this from the U.S. Sen. Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs:

    Title: Executive Session: Mark-up of The Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act of 2008
    Date: 7/17/08

    Source: U.S. Senate Comimittee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Website

    Peter (e70d1c)

  39. I imagine it takes a while to update the Library of Congress Web database.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  40. Wait, what? “Obama is playing a significant role in putting pressure on Iran?”

    He is? Do so explain. First, talk about his vast role here, second, explain how the role he is playing is significant.

    The only thing that could possibly argued IMO, is that Bush stole Obama’s thunder by entering into diplomatic negotiations, that is, assuming that Bush did it due to Obama.

    G (722480)

  41. Pray tell do explain to us what is even remotely honest about this quote.

    How about the fact that he sponsored the bill and is working with closely with that committee? There’s nothing wrong with him calling it “my committee”, it’s one he’s actively involved with as a Senator in the Congress.

    I wish there was something newsworthy for you guys to focus on. This isn’t it.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  42. The only thing that could possibly argued IMO, is that Bush stole Obama’s thunder by entering into diplomatic negotiations, that is, assuming that Bush did it due to Obama.

    Yeah, like I’ve said before, it’s amazing what one clear minded competent individual can do for an organization, everyone begins to copy him.

    So much for all those big bad preconditions.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  43. No Peter — this is another in a series of Obama statements where he strays beyond the literal truth in order to make the statement more forceful.

    No WLS, this is just another paper thin post on a slow news day where you have to provide fresh meat for the folks round these ways. I don’t envy you your job, it must be hard to keep these guys satiated, especially with someone like Obama. I mean just imagine the fun you guys coulda had with Hillary Clinton.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  44. He’s referencing the wrong bill and he’s claiming membership on the Senate Banking Committee.

    No and no. He just said it was his committee. He didn’t say he was a member.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  45. #41
    I wish there was something newsworthy for you guys to focus on. This isn’t it
    Oh dont you know where you are Peter? This is a republican, attack-dog-blog-against-change. You better watch your back around here.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  46. Lets see, Peter… Do you think that it is important for the legislators to seek to get their legislation passed? Or in reference to the first link, with the $20 million in investments in Iran’s energy infrastructure or whatever, how many companies would that legislation effect?

    Furthermore, on the second link you posted. I found this rather interesting, as I doubt it would pass due to the second or third paragraph, note: I haven’t read the entire thing, this just caught me as kinda shocking. I added some emphasis on why.

    Freezing of assets of certain Iranian persons: Under current law, the President has frozen the U.S. assets of several Iranian governmental, military, and quasi-governmental entities, as well as those of Iranian individuals designated as proliferators of weapons of mass destruction or terrorists, and the U.S. assets of their supporters. The proposal effectively removes the President’s discretion to freeze or not freeze such assets , and instead requires the President to freeze the funds and assets under U.S. jurisdiction of Iranian diplomats and representatives of other government and military or quasi-governmental institutions of Iran, and their family members or associates to whom they have transferred assets on or after January 1, 2008, if such persons are found to have been involved in proliferation-related or terrorist activities. The provision also requires financial institutions to report to the Office of Foreign Assets Control on any assets of a person so named. The President must report on such asset freezes to Congress within 14 days.

    G (722480)

  47. When you lead with a glass jaw, don’t complain about spending more time prone than standing…

    You have a rich fantasy life.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  48. “He just said it was his committee. He didn’t say he was a member.”
    The mental and verbal contortions that Obama’s defenders put themselves through are truly remarkable.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  49. Yeah, like I’ve said before, it’s amazing what one clear minded competent individual can do for an organization, everyone begins to copy him.

    So much for all those big bad preconditions.

    So thats all the response? None of my questions even addressed? So I say something you like and run with it? Again, I’m ill informed on how the president copied Obama’s position… Please enlighten me. I’m currently thinking perhaps President Bush ran with Obama’s idea, but I haven’t seen anything specific that is exactly that.

    G (722480)

  50. No and no. He just said it was his committee. He didn’t say he was a member.

    That depends on what you definition of is is.

    G (722480)

  51. “He just said it was his committee. He didn’t say he was a member.”
    This is up there with claiming the ability to know what’s in a text without actually reading it.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  52. The proposal effectively removes the President’s discretion to freeze or not freeze such assets , and instead requires the President to freeze the funds and assets under U.S. jurisdiction of Iranian diplomats and representatives of other government and military or quasi-governmental institutions of Iran, and their family members or associates to whom they have transferred assets on or after January 1, 2008, if such persons are found to have been involved in proliferation-related or terrorist activities. The provision also requires financial institutions to report to the Office of Foreign Assets Control on any assets of a person so named. The President must report on such asset freezes to Congress within 14 days

    The President already is required to report any freezing of assets so that’s a non-starter. All this says to me is that they’re closing up some loopholes and broadening the power of the President to have a more comprehensive powerful effect.

    It now covers: Iranian diplomats and representatives of other government and military or quasi-governmental institutions of Iran, and their family members or associates to whom they have transferred assets on or after January 1, 2008, if such persons are found to have been involved in proliferation-related or terrorist activities. The provision also requires financial institutions to report to the Office of Foreign Assets Control on any assets of a person so named.

    Like I said looks like this is some serious legislation. When you begin to cast an eye on freezing the assets of diplomats and their family members and associates, that sounds to me like a potentially dangerous loophole.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  53. Peter — you sure you want to stick with this?

    “He just said it was his committee. He didn’t say he was a member.”

    You’re not going to get any bonus checks from the campaign without doing better than that.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  54. He just said it was his committee. He didn’t say he was a member.

    “Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee

    Does he then own that committee? He certainly doesn’t sit on it (even when he bothers to show up to do the job he was elected to do by the citizens of Chicago’s Memorial Cemetary), and you assert that it is “his committee”.

    Go ahead. Explain this one. I’d love to hear the verbal torturings you’re going to have to pull off.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  55. peter 41: he didn’t sponsor the bill that just passed (at least as far as I can tell). the bill that just passed committee was similar to one he sponsored back in 2007 (according to Obama’s own web site, but then again he thinks he is on the committee, so maybe we should be skeptical of things he says, huh?).

    steve sturm (a0236e)

  56. Like I said looks like this is some serious legislation.

    No, it isn’t. Iran has no diplomatic staff within US territory, there are no assets belonging to any Iranian citizen that haven’t already been frozen where the US had any power to do so (or cause to be done on their behalf).

    The rest of the “loophole closing” is just as meaningless.

    But what I really want is you to explain how Obama can say that it is “his” committee without actually being on the committee…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  57. The proposal effectively removes the President’s discretion to freeze or not freeze such assets , and instead requires the President to freeze the funds and assets under U.S. jurisdiction of Irani……….

    Reread that again Peter.

    G (722480)

  58. #48 Jack Klompus- no doubt Chrissie Matthews will call him on that statement. Speaking of dogs humping urkel’s leg, Day by Day cartoon has a good one of a dog in Baghdad named Matthews trying to boink obama’s leg.

    I was a bit surprised that Andrea Mitchell complained about Barry Hussein’s bogus press encounters in Mideast.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  59. Does he then own that committee? He certainly doesn’t sit on it(even when he bothers to show up to do the job he was elected to do by the citizens of Chicago’s Memorial Cemetary), and you assert that it is “his committee”.

    I don’t know what he meant precisely. I was surprised to go to the U.S.SEN.COMM. on B,H and UA website and not find his name there, but when I found the info on S. 1430 it made sense to me. He’s sponsering it and as a junior Senator I believe he and Dodd, the Chairman, have worked closely together on a number of issues and probably tasked Obama with the job of writing up and putting though S. 1430, but at any rate that’s inconsequential to this discussion IMHO. Like I said I don’t see anything here. If you guys do then carry on, don’t let me dissuade you.

    Later.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  60. #45 – love2008

    This is a republican, attack-dog-blog-against-change. You better watch your back around here.

    — You might be right, especially in your use of “republican” (small “r”), as in: our republican form of government. That’s why independents like myself hang out here. All of the truthiness and defense of the Constitution can be very heartwarming.

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  61. Reread that again Peter.

    I did. Include the rest of that which says:

    and instead requires the President to freeze the funds and assets under U.S. jurisdiction of Iranian diplomats and representatives of other government and military or quasi-governmental institutions of Iran, and their family members or associates to whom they have transferred assets on or after January 1, 2008

    Peter (e70d1c)

  62. It’s easy. I can prove how Obama can say it is his committie without being a member of it.
    This is my PC, it doesnt mean I own it. See?

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  63. I don’t know what he meant precisely.

    You just “know” that he didn’t mean that he was on the committee.

    Try this: watch the 11-seconds of YouTube video linked above and answer the question as to what he meant when he said “my committee” while placing his open hand on his chest.

    The phrase is unambiguous, and you say he’s telling the truth.

    Please explain. If you can, that is, since this is a pretty blatant lie, caught on tape. Ranks right up there with “I did not have sex with that woman… Miss Lewinsky.”

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  64. Drummer:

    Iran has no diplomatic staff within US territory

    That doesn’t preclude that they might someday. Sounds like someone is thinking ahead.

    But what I really want is you to explain how Obama can say that it is “his” committee without actually being on the committee…

    I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life. Now if you’ll excuse me I need to head out to my local MArxist chapter and discuss that flag burning contest we’re holding tonight….

    Peter (e70d1c)

  65. What I wanna know is, why $20 million? Seems kinda arbitrary…unless, of course, there is someone really important who is dealing with the Iranians who conveniently slips under the threshold.

    (Channeling Men at Work) “Whoo-oo-oo, who can it beeee now?”

    L.N. Smithee (d1de1b)

  66. This is my PC, it doesnt mean I own it. See?

    If you don’t own it, it isn’t yours. You may be borrowing it from a friend or renting one at the local library, but either of those doesn’t make the PC “yours”, by any stretch of the word.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  67. Please explain. If you can, that is, since this is a pretty blatant lie, caught on tape. Ranks right up there with “I did not have sex with that woman… Miss Lewinsky.”

    Damn Drum, I think you’ve officially jumped the shark (even more than you already have which is quite an accomplishment…)

    You need to relax and watch a nice video.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  68. LOL

    Oiram (983921)

  69. Reporting Requirement to Increase Monitoring of Investment in Iran: The Iran Sanctions Act of 1996 (“ISA”) requires the President to impose sanctions on a U.S. or foreign natural person if the President determines that the person invested $20,000,000 or more in Iran’s petroleum or natural gas sectors, but the President has for years failed to do so even though foreign companies have invested more than the specified amount. The measure requires the President, within 180 days of enactment of the bill and every 180 days thereafter, to report to the appropriate Congressional Committees on eligible foreign investments made in Iran’s energy sector since January 1, 2008 and the determination of the President on whether such investments qualify as sanctionable offenses.

    So, lets back up. I could not find the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996. I did however find The Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996 (H.R. 3107) Lets compare:

    SEC. 5. IMPOSITION OF SANCTIONS.
    (a) Sanctions With Respect to Iran: Except as provided in subsection (f), the President shall impose 2 or more of the sanctions described in paragraphs (1) through (6) of section 6 if the President determines that a person has, with actual knowledge, on or after the date of the enactment of this Act, made an investment of $40,000,000 or more (or any combination of investments of at least $10,000,000 each, which in the aggregate equals or exceeds $40,000,000 in any 12-month period), that directly and significantly contributed to the enhancement of Iran’s ability to develop petroleum resources of Iran. SEC. 5. IMPOSITION OF SANCTIONS.

    G (722480)

  70. Peter. Is Obama on the committee he claims he is on or not. The list of members is easily available. Check it out. I am unable to find his name listed as a member of HIS committee. Second, when is it Obama has been working with Dodd on this bill? He has been campaigning full time for quite a while now. We can check to see how many votes he has forgone because of his efforts to win an office for which he has a mighty thin resume. I guess I should give up on idiots like you who cannot tell the truth from a lie.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  71. Peter, I think it’s the Kool Aid that Reagan started serving up to Drum in 1980 that’s really talking here.

    Buy yeah, a nice video might help. One can hope anyways.

    Oiram (983921)

  72. I don’t really know. I don’t really care.

    Oh, so he was lying and your defense of him was just another kneejerk response?

    Got it. Peter is finally admitting that Obama flat out lied. One down, millions to go.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  73. Damn Drum, I think you’ve officially jumped the shark

    YOU’RE the one that stated that you didn’t care that Obama got caught in a flat-out falsehood.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  74. You guys can’t stand it, so you start ignoring facts and changing the subject.

    Or trying out even more lies in an attempt to cover up the first one.

    Pathetic.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  75. That doesn’t preclude that they might someday.

    Yeah, you think they will send diplomats over here if their assets will be frozen? Or will this “thinking ahead” bill have been rescinded by then?

    If so, then he isn’t “thinking ahead”, is he, seeking to punish those with whom he wants to build a working relationship?

    You don’t have a very firm grasp on reality, do you?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  76. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee

    Bought and paid for Chicago style!

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  77. I did. Include the rest of that which says:

    Again Peter, do you think it is valuable for the legislators to seek to pass legislation that obviously has no chance of getting the president’s signature?

    G (722480)

  78. This is my PC, it doesnt mean I own it. See?

    Lol, by that definition everybody can claim the committee as theirs.

    G (722480)

  79. And its not “careless” speaking — its a deliberate telling of an untruth. The suggestion made in his comment is that HE’s spearheading the effort — it passed out of HIS committee. HE’s to be congratulated.

    Its further evidence of his narcissitic view of the world and his place in it.

    Comment by WLS

    WLS, what you don’t understand is that this is the way he got elected to the Senate !

    I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

    “He said, ‘Cliff, I’m gonna make me a U.S. Senator.'”

    “Oh, you are? Who might that be?”

    “Barack Obama.”

    Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

    “I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

    Those were his bills, too. Those were his committees ! Don’t you understand ? He is the messiah ! He can do anything and has been doing it for years.

    Mike K (6d4fc3)

  80. Peter, it is not about koolaid or other BS. This is about whether or not Obama is on the committee responsible for the legislation preventing financial investment in Iran. The Committee the Chris Dodd chairs. It is not difficult. Just state whether or not Obama is as he claimed. A member of that committee which he claims is his. His claim to the Israelies is a lie. What part of that is it you fail to grasp? Do you need a copy of Webster’s to define what a lie is?

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  81. I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life.

    Shorter Peter: I just want to come in, act like an idiot cause you guys need to get a life.

    There, that wasn’t shorter though, I fail.

    G (722480)

  82. Hey Drum your grasp on reality is relying on Right wing web sites to provide you with facts.
    I’ve told you before, the internet is not made of 100% facts.
    Seriously, just because you can find it and it disproves a liberal statement, doesn’t make it true.
    I’ve seen you do it here all day.

    Look I’m not saying liberal bloggers are always right and that they don’t have the same methods as you Drum. You need to know that the Jig is up here.

    Oiram (983921)

  83. Buy yeah, a nice video might help. One can hope anyways.

    Yeah, a nice video is always nice, One can only hope that the other side is interested in serious discussion… unlike, being rick-rolled.

    G (722480)

  84. You know it would be easier to stay on topic if Patterico would give us something to sink our teeth into here.

    Oiram (983921)

  85. #23 – steve sturm

    And I’m admittedly no expert on searching Senate activity, but I can’t find the particular bill just reported out of the banking committee.

    — Best bet: Don’t use the government websites. Instead, use GovTrack.us

    http://www.govtrack.us/

    You will not find “The Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act of 2008″ there yet, as it has no Senate bill number assigned to it at this time; but, if you use the link provided by Peter at #38 (you can trust him on this one), which takes you to Chris Dodd’s committee site, you’ll find a link there to a PDF of the proposed legislation.

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  86. So, lets see, McCain discussing the Iraq-Pakistan border = Dumb

    Obama discussing being President of 57 states = Brilliant.

    I’m always willing to give Presidential candidates the benefit of the doubt when they mis-state things. But I gotta hand it to Obama, he’s made some pretty big claims, he’s said some pretty dumb things (much like our current President) and he’s pretty much moving more towards the ‘republican’ stance every single day.

    What was that Obama? All options on the table for dealing with Iran???

    I really wonder how his original supporters feel about some of the position changes he’s made. Or if they just shrug them off, cause they don’t believe him when says things like that and instead, refer to what his position was 6 months, or a year ago…

    G (722480)

  87. I’ve told you before, the internet is not made of 100% facts.

    Damned straight, because they simply won’t keep liberals away from the computers…

    But the information I gave is fact, and all you have to do to prove me wrong is disprove any one of those bits of information.

    With so many, it should be easy to find ONE that is wrong, shouldn’t it?

    I’ve seen you do it here all day.

    I can think of worse ways to spend my time than disproving a bunch of lies. You obviously can’t think of anything better than spreading more.

    But you have already admitted that you don’t care about facts, Peter has just said that he doesn’t care that Obama got caught in a lie to an ally, and Obama has already shown that he will say whatever he has to in order to win – abandon any principle, betray any personal, religious or familial relationship and tell any lie.

    About the only thing he hasn’t done is get caught with a staffer, and I only say “get caught”.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  88. “He just said it was his committee. He didn’t say he was a member.”

    — All of us are his children, after all.

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  89. Just watched the video, just saying, wow,… How many little mis-statements like this keep occurring?

    G (722480)

  90. Wow Drum, by the looks of that last post you’ve been doing your homework at National enquirer.com.

    Read your comment out loud and then tell me that it isn’t the most ridiculous thing on earth.

    Your hatred is peaking in front of all of your comrades.

    I don’t have time to refute your balloney, but I did catch you once and that’s enough work for me today. Like I’ve told you I do have a life.

    Oiram (983921)

  91. Let me rephrase my last post:

    I caught you once today by following up on your link and knowing how you do your research.

    Oiram (983921)

  92. Lets see again, what is so silly about the truth?
    I mean, I can see that last bit being a little silly, I mean, at least to assume he is cheating…

    Obama has already shown that he will say whatever he has to in order to win – abandon any principle, betray any personal, religious or familial relationship and tell any lie.

    About the only thing he hasn’t done is get caught with a staffer, and I only say “get caught”.

    G (722480)

  93. News report:

    On July 15, Senate Banking Committee Chair Christopher Dodd (D-CT) and Ranking member Richard Shelby (R-AL) announced they will introduce new bipartisan sanctions legislation entitled the “Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act of 2008.” The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs will mark-up the legislation on Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 10 am. The full text of the legislation and designation is not yet available. However, Senators Dodd and Shelby released a summary of the legislation along with the announcement.

    — If Dodd and Shelby are introducing the legislation, how then is Obama anything other than a (enthusiastic) cosponsor?

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  94. – All of us are his children, after all.

    You forgot to capitalize “His”. We’re talking about The Lightbringer.

    (Lightbringer, indeed…)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  95. I don’t have time to refute your balloney, but I did catch you once

    Yeah, how dare I use a source that is (*gasp*) Republican?!?

    That doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

    I would almost certainly be able to say the same thing about your “sources”, except for one thing: you never provide any evidence to support the lies you are telling talking points you are disseminating.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  96. I try not to through “Liberal only” sources at you Drum. I’m also at work, so I can’t dig the way you do. You just said it all for me Drum.

    Drum said:
    “Yeah, how dare I use a source that is (*gasp*) Republican?!?

    That doesn’t mean it isn’t true.”

    Even in your own world, don’t you think there could be some Republican web site lies out there?
    I mean, I’m willing to admit there’s tons of liberal lies out there. How about you? Not one? Really? Republicans don’t lie at all is what your saying? All Republican web sites sources are truths?

    I think this is where your problem is Drum.

    Open your eyes once in a while.

    Oiram (983921)

  97. Essentially Peter and Oilman admit that they do not care that Baracky overtly lies, and they even defend that. You are sad little men. Again, what was remotely honest about that statement? He did not do what he claimed. He was not a chair of nor on the committee that he claimed to be. You cannot even point to any evidence that he did anything other than add his name along with the other 35 co-sponsors.

    JD (5f0e11)

  98. My spelling sucks replace “Through” with “Throw” on comment #96.

    Thanks All.

    Oiram (983921)

  99. Drumwaster:

    But what I really want is you to explain how Obama can say that it is “his” committee without actually being on the committee…

    Peter:

    I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life.

    No, you need to grow a brain.

    In recent decades, we’ve all been through slick liars in the White House from both parties, both of whom eventually faced impeachment. Wanna go for three?

    Both Dems and Repubs rightly piled on Hillary when she attempted to fudge the truth about Bosnia to give her much-needed gravitas. Now, right on the heels of giving a Clintonesque explaining away of his AIPAC statements on Jerusalem remaining “undivided,” Barry Teleprompter is calling a committee he isn’t even a member of “my committee” to a foreign audience that doesn’t know any better!

    You can’t unspin this, Peter, no matter how much you try. Cutting and running was a smart move.

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  100. All y’all is HIS chillun y’know.

    — Is that better?

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  101. Oiram – Drum never even came close to asserting that all Republican leaning blogs are always true. Enjoy thrashing that strawman. He did note that you discounted the source because it was Republican. You did not show it was inaccurate. Nuance, and all that.

    JD (5f0e11)

  102. “Senator, we’re both part of the same hypocrisy…… but don’t ever think it applies to my family”

    Godfather Part Two

    JD take a look in the mirror before you call Peter and I sad men.

    Oiram (983921)

  103. And hey JD it’s Oiram, not Oilman…… don’t get me confused with our President.

    Oiram (983921)

  104. “Don’t you see that the whole aim of Obamapeak is to narrow the range of thought?… Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?…The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”

    “By 2019 (the 10 year of my Presidency)—earlier, probably—all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. The whole literature of the past will have been destroyed. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Byron—they’ll exist only in Obamaspeak versions, not merely changed into something different, but actually contradictory of what they used to be. Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like “freedom is slavery” when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”

    (apologies to Eric Arthur Blair)

    Horatio (a549f7)

  105. I try not to through “Liberal only” sources at you Drum.

    Because it would immediately invalidate your “he’s using a REPUBLICAN” argument and prove you to be a hypocrite. And I wouldn’t be in the least surprised.

    Even in your own world, don’t you think there could be some Republican web site lies out there?

    Yup, and I wouldn’t use them. I only use facts.

    But even in YOUR world, aren’t there Republicans capable of accurately reporting on verifiable events? Or do truths only appear on dKos and HuffPo?

    Republicans don’t lie at all is what your saying? All Republican web sites sources are truths?

    Never said that, never GONNA say it, because it isn’t true.

    But there are some web sites that I find truthful, or that the facts presented are verified elsewhere, and so they can be trusted. (Try and notice that I used no political or ideological adjectives in that sentence.)

    The web site I presented has been found to be truthful in all major aspects, and I looked for that before I looked up who owned the site.

    Facts trump ideology, but you don’t believe that. I’m sorry for you for that lack.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  106. don’t get me confused with our President.

    We would never do that. Bush has been right once or twice, while we’re still waiting for you to pop that particular cherry.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  107. To embed the video, try replacing the quote marks. Sometimes those fonts that have left or right leaning quotation marks will mess it up.

    You can also try to C&P Youtube code to notepad, and then to your post.

    DJM (caacad)

  108. Mike K posted: “I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

    Sounds like Rickey Hendon and NY Congresswoman Nita Lowey have something in common. Lowey was the DNC choice to run for Senate in 2000 before carpetbagging Hillary decided she would buy a house near her beloved Yankees and kick Lowey to the curb after all the shilling she did for Slick during the Whitewater investigations.

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  109. Huffpost is a little bit more credible than The National Enquirer Drum. I’ve said that here before.
    Don’t go there, you’ll eat them up alive with your spidey web abilitities. As dumn as the huffposters are, Obama needs them to beat McCain.

    Oiram (983921)

  110. I try not to thro[w] “Liberal only” sources at you Drum.

    I just now remembered that this is his response to my request for any evidence whatsoever to support his lies. (Let’s face it, alright?)

    He gleefully confesses that he cannot grasp the concept that a Republican might be capable of telling the truth, and freely admits that the only source for information he has are liberal sites.

    Wow. This explains a lot.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  111. Huffpost is a little bit more credible than The National Enquirer

    But not as credible as (say) The Weekly Star.

    “You can use your ESP to learn to play guitar!”

    (Bonus points for the reference.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  112. It was a back handed insult Drum, but it’s still beautiful to see you come around to the real world.

    Drum Said:
    “We would never do that. Bush has been right once or twice, while we’re still waiting for you to pop that particular cherry.”

    There is a God.

    Oiram (983921)

  113. Drum Said “He gleefully confesses that he cannot grasp the concept that a Republican might be capable of telling the truth, and freely admits that the only source for information he has are liberal sites.”

    Not true, I’ve admitted here dozens of times that my side gets it wrong a lot. That’s why I don’t use them exclusively as my sources Drum.
    Wish you could say the same thing.

    Oiram (983921)

  114. #111 Hey it’s true, I’m big enough to admit it.

    I moved on from Huffpost when they start blogging Britney’s latest escapades.

    Oiram (983921)

  115. Not true

    Entirely true, because you misread it.

    Try actually READING what I wrote, instead of just looking for the big words.

    (You should really try doing that whenever reading my comments, because I use words very exactly sometimes, and you can miss a lot if you aren’t paying attention.

    Like now.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  116. I moved on from Huffpost when they start blogging Britney’s latest escapades.

    Good for you, but that still butters no parsnips.

    Have you got any evidence AT ALL?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  117. Have you got any evidence that’s not linked to a Republican’s web site Drum?

    Oiram (983921)

  118. Have you got any evidence that’s not linked to a Republican’s web site Drum?

    Have you got any evidence AT ALL?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  119. Drum, your fast with the keys.

    If I didn’t have a life and read every little bit of linked to Republican blathering nonsense you throw here I think I might go insane.

    It looked like you were accusing me of believing all of the liberal nonsense I read out there.
    Sorry I misunderstood.

    Oiram (983921)

  120. Baracky lied. Overtly. And they do not care. He knows they do not care, and he knows the media will not call him on it.

    JD (5f0e11)

  121. I told you I don’t have time to research every bit of crap you regurgitate off the net. I tend to check sources first and make sure that they aren’t politically slanted.

    Oiram (983921)

  122. I might go insane.

    Ye cannae go whar ye already is.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  123. I tend to check sources first and make sure that they aren’t politically slanted.

    As I said, for you, ideology trumps facts, and all you have are liberal sources.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  124. I told you I don’t have time to research every bit of crap you regurgitate off the net.

    Oh, GOD, no! You might actually have your house of cards come down around you if you were exposed to a fact that hasn’t been spun, shredded, pureed, and spoon fed to you by dKos or DU.

    We can’t have that…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  125. Oiram you f**king idiot, Obama said that committee is his. The one he is not a member of. He said this to a foreign audience who would not know the difference. He flat out lied. Period. Unless he suffers from the inability to remember what jobs he has and what Senatorial committees he is a member of, which would hinder his ability to be President, he does not mind saying what ever he thinks the listeners want to hear. He is a liar and evidently so are you.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  126. I barely have any sources at all Drum. It try, but as I said I just don’t have the time that you do.
    I do have common sense however.

    Your spewing at me what I’ve been telling you about yourself.

    Drum said: “As I said, for you, ideology trumps facts, and all you have are liberal sources.”

    At least that’s a form of looking into the mirror Drum.

    Listen I don’t expect you to become a liberal Democrat, wouldn’t want it to be honest with you.
    I believe we need a bit of a balance in this country. If we let the liberal left run things exclusively your well on your way to communism. Let the extreme right run things exclusively and you have 4 or 5 corporate companies running are whole show. Neither sounds good to me.

    I’ve been labeled a liberal here dozens of times today. I like to consider myself a moderate, but whatever. Let’s just say I lean to the left.

    Drum, try not to use Republican sources exclusively, it belittles you.

    Oiram (983921)

  127. #125, Classy to the last.

    Oiram (983921)

  128. PEACE

    Oiram (983921)

  129. I do have common sense however.

    Common sense gets you a Flat Earth. Common sense gets you a geocentric universe. Common sense gets you “how can that airplane ever get off the ground?”

    I deal in facts. You ought to try one sometime. They’re addictive.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  130. I was not attempting to be classy, just honest. You seem unable or unwilling to answer simple questions. You want to argue about off topic subjects. No wonder you were at Huffpo. By the way, they have zero (0) crediblity. As do you.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  131. Drumwaster writes:

    ““You can use your ESP to learn to play guitar!”

    (Bonus points for the reference.)”

    That would be from Weird Al’s song, “Midnight Star”:

    http://lyric-zone.com/midnight-star/sng410213/

    Sad that I knew that off the bat…

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  132. Wow,

    I was thinking that it might be nice around here for 10 days without Levi flinging crap, but reading several days of Oirams BullSh*t and absolute refusal to answer questions directed at him, It doesn’t seem much different.

    But there was at least one good laugh there, HuffPo has more credibility than the national enquirer??? Come on Oiram. Almost everything has more credibility than the national enquirer, but you zero in on one of the very few things that don’t!

    Thanks again for the laugh!

    Kenny (76922b)

  133. Even sadder that I knew it so well in the first place, huh?

    :-(

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  134. Again, I am astounded at the antics of people trying to twist what to any reasonable observer comes across as a plain and simple, out and out lie. The only other explanation is that a U.S. Senator on the cusp of becoming the President of the United States is utterly unaware of his own committee assignments.
    And yet there are people who have such an inexplicable investment in the accession to power of this man that they engage in utterly laughable, convoluted excuse making on this politician’s behalf. Failing that they make condescending “you’re too crude to understand this man’s brilliance” dismissals of Obama’s detractors as if somehow they, by supporting this man, are able to elevate themselves into some higher state of understanding and knowledge.
    And yet time and again Obama himself reveals his complete and utter lack of substantive knowledge on topics that are essential to deserving election to the office he seeks.
    The standards by which true intellect is measured are so beyond laughable when applied to Obama.
    Why, I ask, have people, many of whom preen over their own alleged political savvy, become so enamored of this man Obama where they can actually listen to themselves defend his glaring ineptitude at any cost?

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  135. Or we could decide instead that we are really cool because we know the works of Weird Al!

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  136. LOL I got hooked on his “womb with a view” line from “I Think I’m A Clone Now”

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  137. Poor peter loves Hussein so much (maybe hoping for the under the desk service position) that he continues to lie even after watching Hussein spew the lie out of his own mouth. Never trust a democrat, any democrat.
    “The only thing standing between you and lower gas prices is a democrat’.

    I’ll bet even the democrats won’t be happy with the duo of energy obstructionist Nancy and Harry when cold weather arrives and the heating bills start to pile up. Thank god for wood, coal and a fireplace with insert. All I need is a cast iron pot to cook the venison in. Flea markets here I come.

    Scrapiron (c36902)

  138. The pathetic attempts to divert attention from Obama’s attempt to take credit for something he had nothing to do with is amusing.

    This from a crowd that was trying to build the “McSenile” meme.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  139. Oh-I-Ram

    — That’s like Melissa Etheridge titling her fourth album “Yes I Am”, when those of us paying attention saw the truth on her first album.

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  140. Oiram, do a little research and you’ll find the democrats in congress are the ‘richer’ elitest class. At least they claim to be elitest. I know of no one person or company that supports the conservatives to the extent (financial wise) as Socialist billionaire Soros does the dhimmi’s. He’s not really supporting ‘a democrat’, he’s pushing socialism on the weak minded democrats and spending millions to do it. Then you have SF Nan who earned (married) a fortune on her back or knees, and Dirty Harry who stole a fortune from the people of Nv while on the gaming commission and doing the dirty work for the mob.

    Scrapiron (c36902)

  141. Drum:

    Peter has just said that he doesn’t care that Obama got caught in a lie to an ally

    Screw that noise Drummer.

    Don’t put words in my mouth.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  142. Odd, Peter, you’ve never been deterred from putting words in others’ mouths.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  143. Don’t put words in my mouth.

    Fine. Your exact words (comment # 64) in response to:

    But what I really want is you to explain how Obama can say that it is “his” committee without actually being on the committee…

    was:

    I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life.

    The conclusion that you don’t care that Obama was caught in a lie – to citizens of an ally nation – isn’t a “conclusion”, it’s a direct quote, because you flatly stated that you “don’t really care”.

    They’re your own words, so choke on them.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  144. I barely have any sources at all Drum. It try, but as I said I just don’t have the time that you do.
    I do have common sense however.

    are you saying you dont know if what you believe is factual but it sure feels good and sounds good so by golly i’ll jump in w/ both feet?? that is the typical dem voter. try questioning the pols running your party instead of just excusing them when they tell a blatant lie. the end does not justify the means.

    chas (12a229)

  145. And the typical Dem troll, chas.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  146. Wow the Q&A there (64-143) is hilarious. Obama is becoming the L. Ron Hubbard of politics.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  147. Y’all are cordially invited to my senate committee tomorrow. I will be discussing my proposed legislation to punish the clueless.

    (Please disregard the suits. They will try to convince you they are actual members of my committee).

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to see where I have put my committee.

    gnholb (710dbc)

  148. Sworn into office January 4, 2005, Senator Obama serves on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which oversees our nation’s health care, schools, employment, and retirement programs. He is a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, which plays a vital role in shaping American policy around the world, including our policy in Iraq. And Senator Obama serves on the Veterans’ Affairs Committee, which is focused on providing our brave veterans with the care and services they deserve. In 2005 and 2006, he served on the Environment and Public Works Committee, which safeguards our environment and provides funding for our highways.Source

    G (c0157b)

  149. Meant to strike out the “Environment and Public Works Committee” just didn’t work. Anyway, I’m adding Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs to the list, as it is on his committees page, and I didn’t read it on his “about” page. Perhaps one of you Obama supporters would like to check that, or I dunno, email his senate office to get them to put that up there to, though, I don’t think it matters. Odd, in checking to see if he is a current member of Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, it has Joe Lieberman listed under Democrat, though it does say (ID) after his name, perhaps he is chair through power from the democrats, at least I guess thats what that means, not to get off topic.

    G (c0157b)

  150. You can’t unspin this, Peter, no matter how much you try.

    I’m not going to try to unspin something that was never spun to begin with.

    The man sponsored the legislation. His name is on an early draft of the Bill (s. 1430). He and Dodd have worked closely together in the past. Dodd is the Chairman of the committee Obama refers to.

    If I create a document or deliverable, for my group leader and then he takes it to the board of trustees or a room full of executives and v.p.’s, and they use it for some purpose having to do with the companies business, I’m not a member of the board or an executive, am I? Yet, I could say, and be completely truthful doing it, that I had written up such and such a document/deliverable for MY company. It might even be something that I believed in passionately, but I needed my manager to present it. Does he get the credit? Of course he does. And hopefully he passes that on to me with a promotion or something. How much more input will be put into that document? (As can be seen from the meeting the committee had on July 17th with amendments added by a number of Senators). Probably lots, if the board chimes in with their thoughts and other groups comment on it. The version number is definitely going to change. So whose name goes on it? Answer that. I may have drafted and early version of it, but that doesn’t make it mine. The company owns the document and dozens of people will have their input injected into it. so it’s refined and iterations improve.

    How many times does this happen all over this country, every single day?

    The most visible people of any organization. The ones on the exec boards, the committees, mastheads are usually just the tip of the iceberg.

    Who among you has worked in some capacity for a Senate Committee and can categorically and comprehensively outline it’s organization and work procedures, how it interfaces with general members of the Senate, who may bring a specialized skill or knowledge, or concern for a particular bill?

    Please step forward and enlighten me. We can talk about why or how, Obama would consider the U.S. Senate Committee for Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs his very own committee.

    Please step forward.

    Anyone?

    Tap tap…is this mic on??

    *sound of crickets*

    Peter (e70d1c)

  151. But G, those are the committees that Obama is a member of. That does not prove that those are his committees and plus he was against the war to begin with, The obvious conclusion is that you’re a racist.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  152. They’re your own words, so choke on them.

    I never said he lied. That was all you. Nice.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  153. WLS,

    I fixed the embedded video. It took me forever to learn how to do this when I started but, as you said, all you need to do is copy and paste the URL in the “embed” box at the YouTube link. I think the problem here was that it was copied twice.

    DRJ (297528)

  154. #150 – so your making the contention that this is a typical normal way of referring to committees on capitol hill? if a senator ever works w/ a committee he can refer to it as his committee? like the way the refer to each other as chairman perpetually, if they ever just once chaired a committee?

    so show some more examples of other senators/representatives who have done this. just a few and you will have proven your point.

    after all anyone who posts

    Who among you has worked in some capacity for a Senate Committee and can categorically and comprehensively outline it’s organization and work procedures, how it interfaces with general members of the Senate, who may bring a specialized skill or knowledge, or concern for a particular bill?

    must be very familar w/ the way those things work. or else he wouldnt so glibly defend a liar.

    chas (12a229)

  155. I never said he lied.

    Of course not. You said you “don’t really care”, so I pointed out that you said that you didn’t care that Obama lied to citizens of an allied nation during a press conference that was broadcast all over the globe. (My only mistake was to not include the word “really”.)

    We can talk about why or how, Obama would consider the U.S. Senate Committee for Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs his very own committee.

    In fact, you seem to be thinking that he didn’t actually lie.

    Here I am, bitch.

    Make your case, and I’ll respond.

    Obama’s exact words (and if you start trying to say that he didn’t actually speak these words, I will consider that a concession, since you clearly don’t really care about his lies) were:

    Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee

    Go ahead. Tell us how he wasn’t lying. Be as creative as you wish.

    Hang on a second, while I pop some popcorn…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  156. #152 – no, you never “say” anything. you imply, suggest, insinuate but never “say” anything. that would require you to later defend it, which you cant do. are you this dishonest and self-serving in all aspects of your life or just when you troll the internet?

    chas (12a229)

  157. Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.

    Peter, I think you need to re-look at what we are discussing for a little bit of context. He’s talking in Israel, addressing their concerns over him as a future president, especially his commitment. He’s in another nation, lying to them. I’m going to take a guess that you have to be a member of the committee to get something passed on it, regardless if your name is attached to the bill. He specifically places his hand near his chest at this time, like one would when saying “my,” furthermore he specifically says “is my committee.” Seems to me, Obama is hiding the truth there. I don’t see why he didn’t just say that he helped draft the legislation. Instead he makes a false claim to help better his view in Israel.

    G (c0157b)

  158. DRJ — thanks. I wondered why it looked like the link was copied twice, but never having done it before I just that that was it. Not sure how I managed to do that, but hopefully I won’t do it again.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  159. I think its so beyond obvious that if you are a U.S. Senator, you would refer to “your” committee as a committee that you ARE AN ACTUAL FREAKING MEMBER OF!!!! What in the name of all that is holy is so hard to grasp?

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  160. Peter – your 152. You never said Obama lied, you just said “I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life.”

    So why are you here again? I’m gonna go on a whim, that you do care, hence the conversation.

    G (c0157b)

  161. DRJ — can you fix it again? I accidentally deleted it when I put in the second update, and when I tried to copy and paste the URL, it looks like it copied twice again. I have no idea what I’m doing wrong.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  162. http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Subcommittees

    I checked the Subcommittees, nothing.

    http://banking.senate.gov/public/_files/DoddOpeningStatement6.pdf

    Dodd’s opening statement (excerpt below)

    For Immediate Release CONTACT: Kate Szostak (Dodd) July 17, 2008 202-224-1088 Opening Statement of Chairman Christopher Dodd “The Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act of 2008” Remarks as Prepared: This Committee…

    …But more remains to be done. The missile tests that Iran conducted on July 9-10th and its subsequent pledges to attack Israel and U.S. facilities throughout the region in the event of hostilities were provocative. Iran’s behavior with respect to weapons proliferation, support for terrorism, destabilization of its neighbors, and threats against our allies and interests demand a serious response. This bill is an important part of that response. And that is why I want to thank Senator Shelby and my Committee colleagues for working on the measure, which blends key provisions of Iran-related legislation that has been referred to our Committee, strengthening our sanctions regime and giving investors the option of divesting from companies active in Iran’s energy sector. Senators Bayh, Brownback, Smith, Durbin, Lautenberg and others have also worked hard on Iran issues. And I want to thank Senator Obama for his work on his Iran divestment legislation, which has been adapted and incorporated into this bill. The approach embodied in this comprehensive bill is targeted and strategic, maximizing the economic leverage of the U.S., our partners and allies, and U.S. and international investors while avoiding the risks of a broader, more indiscriminate approach.

    G (c0157b)

  163. Wow, a whole sentence? He really DOES deserve to be a Democratic nominee…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  164. must be very familar w/ the way those things work. or else he wouldnt so glibly defend a liar.

    I’m not. I put forth a hypothetical situation in which someone would make a statement. Like my company, my committee, my magazine, my school etc.

    And I’m still waiting for all the self appointed judges and jurors and experts on truth here to go ahead and school me on the organizational procedures for a Senate Committee. How do they interface with the rest of the Senate not part of the committee. And why they allow a Senator not a member of the committee to sponsor a Bill?

    I’ll wait.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  165. I just love this. This is going to be as much fun as the “West Wing” TV series.

    What a great concept — leftist loses election.. but …A TV political series is created to allow disappointed voters to believe that their candidate is actually the President and they can follow all the drama on TV every week.

    The concept is sort of like sterile fruit flies. If you put them out there, they will enjoy themselves — but not bother you so much.

    If Obama loses, who has the rights to produce the Series “If Only Obama Had Won”??

    Script submissions are now being accepted.

    Maybe it can be a video game and you can put your character on any Senate committee you like…. or use a joystick to make them dance and do crass, political acts.

    Bill Lever (a16f35)

  166. Peter do you have any clue as to how inconsequential the label of “cosponsor” is on a proposed piece of legislation?

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  167. And I’m still waiting for all the self appointed judges and jurors and experts on truth here to go ahead and school me on the organizational procedures for a Senate Committee. How do they interface with the rest of the Senate not part of the committee. And why they allow a Senator not a member of the committee to sponsor a Bill?

    Peter, you obviously didn’t read the thread closely; the question has already been covered.

    Try to keep up.

    Paul (2ae585)

  168. okay, keep playing stupid. i’ll give a brief explanation. any senator can sponsor a bill. after it is sponsored it is assigned to the proper committee(s) for discussion, revision, dissection, etc. the sponsor may not be on those committees but can be called to testify, meet and work w/ them on the legislation. that does not confer membership. so, there is a dumbed down explanation.

    now, you gonna answer the question i put forth to you in #154? show an example of any other legislator making a similar comment. but i’m sure you wont, trolls like you never do, you’ll just tack in a different direction.

    chas (12a229)

  169. Here I am

    Good. So go ahead and school me on the ins and outs of a Senate Committee and how it interfaces with other Senators of the Congress.

    Also notice I’ve yet to call anyone here any names, other than to suggest that some of you people need to get a life. Really, you guys are like groupies hanging off his jock strap dissecting everything he says to find the big lucky ticket that’s going to unite your pathetic and inept and hopelessly out of touch party.

    So yeah…explain it.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  170. I love how we should excuse a Presidential candidate from referring to “my committee” as if he’s saying the Cubs are “his team” and we are acting as if he’s claiming to be Derrek Lee.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  171. Like my company, my committee, my magazine, my school etc.

    You actually work for the company, sit on the committee, buy the magazine or attend the school.

    You don’t claim “my committee” unless you actually sit on that committee.

    Obama did. That was a flat-out lie. You said you don’t care that he lied.

    And why they allow a Senator not a member of the committee to sponsor a Bill?

    You really needed to pay attention during “School House Rock”. Or even “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington”.

    Any Congressman – Senator or Representative – can author a bill, and others can choose to sponsor it or co-sponsor it. The bill gets read, and then is passed off to whatever committee is responsible for the subject of the bill. It gets debated, and either tabled (which means that it dies in committee), or passed back out to the Main Chamber, where it is then debated by the Chamber at large, with various amendments attached along the way.

    It is then sent to the other chamber for their consideration and vote.

    If both parts of Congress vote to pass a particular bill, it gets sent to the Presidnet for either his signature (making the bill into Law) or his veto.

    Do you understand how someone can co-sponsor a bill that he had nothing to do with writing, and not sit on the committee where it gets sent?

    That is exactly what Obama has done – claimed credit for work he didn’t do, and lied about being on the committee that debated the bill.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  172. K, that leads to Obama’s press release on Iran Divestment Legislation (which is introduced to Congress July 31, 2007)
    http://obama.senate.gov/press/070731-obama_urges_swi/

    And the one in May 2007 http://obama.senate.gov/press/070516-obama_frank_lan/
    (excerpt) .S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) and U.S. Representatives Barney Frank (D-MA) and Tom Lantos (D-CA) today introduced the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of 2007, which empowers Americans to apply economic pressure on the Iranian regime by establishing a federal list of entities that invest in Iran and allowing for divestment. As Iran continues to threaten regional stability and international security by pursuing a nuclear program, rattling sabers at its neighbors – especially Israel – and supporting terrorist groups funded by its energy sector, this bill will enable investors and state and local governments to ensure they are not invested in companies that support Iran’s oil and gas industry.
    Then to http://obama.senate.gov/press/080717-senate_banking/
    (so, I’m just guessing that he did this with Congress, and not some subcommittee in Senate, not to say he didn’t do anything w/Senate)

    (recent statement)

    U.S. Senator Barack Obama today applauded the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee’s passage of the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act of 2008, which includes provisions Obama offered last year in the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of 2007 (S. 1430). The Obama provisions clarify that state and local governments can divest from companies that invest $20 million or more in Iran’s energy sector and provide safe harbor for private fund managers who divest from such companies. The Committee approved the measure by a vote of 19 to 2.

    “Preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons is a vital national security priority. In addition to an aggressive, direct, and principled diplomatic effort, we must continue to increase economic pressure on Iran to convince its government to halt its nuclear program, support for terrorist activity, and threats toward Israel.

    “This important bipartisan legislation will allow state and local governments and private fund managers to divest from companies that support Iran’s energy sector, reducing the revenue Iran uses to expand its nuclear program and sponsor terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

    “I commend Chairman Dodd for his leadership on this important issue, and I call on the Senate to quickly pass this legislation.”

    G (c0157b)

  173. Your turn. Explain how Obama was not lying when he claimed it was “his committee”.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  174. WLS,

    I fixed the link and it looks like something is adding code or even doubling the URL. I can’t figure it out but I’m happy to help anytime.

    DRJ (297528)

  175. Paying careful attention to the public words of a man who wishes to become the President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the U.S. military and having significant doubts about the man’s aptitude for the job is “hanging off his jockstrap”. And twisting linguistic gymnastics in defense of an inept politician is what exactly?
    Not surprising coming from someone who, when asked to defend his political point of view, resorts to “get a life.” In a display of colossal irony, same person describes his political opponents as “inept.” This comes after revealing a laughable degree of ignorance about the basic facts of American legislative procedure.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  176. now, you gonna answer the question i put forth to you in #154? show an example of any other legislator making a similar comment. but i’m sure you wont, trolls like you never do, you’ll just tack in a different direction.

    Find me another Senator who’s got so many obsessed moonbats hanging off his every word and I’ll find you what you ask for. Otherwise, as I said before this is a paper thin post and a non-issue. Who knows why he said “my’ as opposed to “I worked with”, perhaps that’s the committee he’s been working closely with the most recently and he wanted to get it across better to people who don’t speak English as a first language and probably don’t know what the difference is between the U.S. Senate and a Senate Committee. Have some faith. But you guys are unseemly the way you will jump on the smallest wisp of nonsense. It’s like flys on a microscopic speck of dead skin. Yo guys just lose it and trip over yourselves to brand him a liar and unworthy of being President, yet looking at the front page here, I see zero discussions about McCain. Why don’t you guys tout the guys advantages over Obama and why he would make a better President. But you won’t it’s all bitterness all the frickin’ time.

    Alright continue showing what a bunch of gentlemen (and lady) you guys are.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  177. Okay, i’ll add that I did at least more research into this, that is at least shown. In my reading of the Committee that is in question, I didn’t see Obama’s name on anything, I searched, and searched. I only found Dodd’s mention of Obama’s legislation being used in this (the bill introduced in Congress)
    That isn’t to say that he didn’t sponsor it or anything, just that I didn’t see it posted anywhere on the Committee’s website.

    G (c0157b)

  178. Seriously Peter, there are small children who’ve sat in front of “I’m Just a Bill” over several Saturday mornings who know more about the function of the legislative branch of U.S. government than you.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  179. As long as we’re on about Obama and committees, it’s about time someone mentioned that Obama is the chairman of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Subcommittee on European Affairs, which has oversight on NATO issues, including Afghanistan. That subcommittee has never held a hearing on Afghanistan, despite Obama insisting that it is the front of the War on Terror.

    But, in his defense, he was busy on the campaign trail.

    Pablo (99243e)

  180. #176 well first, im no mccain booster, i cant stand the man and will not be voting for him. and second, you did just as i predicted. you changed the subject. you should get a life, and while your at it get some integrity and character.

    chas (12a229)

  181. Peter, your 169. Sorry, I find this funny.

    Also notice I’ve yet to call anyone here any names, other than to suggest that some of you people need to get a life. Really, you guys are like groupies hanging off his jock strap dissecting everything he says to find the big lucky ticket that’s going to unite your pathetic and inept and hopelessly out of touch party.

    Lol… Anyway, pay attention, the interest in this stuff is that these type of ‘gaffs’ or ‘lies’ aren’t really covered in the mainstream media. Hence, the overall success of political blogs… people are seeking more information, more information that is not being reported on…

    G (c0157b)

  182. But you guys are unseemly the way you will jump on the smallest wisp of nonsense. It’s like flys on a microscopic speck of dead skin. Yo guys just lose it and trip over yourselves to brand him a liar and unworthy of being President

    And you’ve never ripped Bush for any small wisp of nonsense, right?

    Paul (2ae585)

  183. Not surprising coming from someone who, when asked to defend his political point of view, resorts to “get a life.” In a display of colossal irony, same person describes his political opponents as “inept.” This comes after revealing a laughable degree of ignorance about the basic facts of American legislative proced

    Ah right wing discrediting. It’s like the default setting for you guys. Who the fuck are you Jack? Maybe if you’d been here these last few weeks you’d have an understanding of what my political beliefs are and you would understand that I know full well the textbook legistlative procedure, but I’m asking for the full deep and detailed knowledge that is informing all the convictions here that Obama has lied in this instance. And it is yet to come. This isn’t about catching someone in a lie it’s about you guys having an opportunity to jump on the guy for the smallest lingual infraction. It’s pathetic. Jack.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  184. And you’ve never ripped Bush for any small wisp of nonsense, right?

    God, I wish. The man is an epic walking catastrophe, so usually there’s not much ripping as there is disbelief that the man is anywhere near the white house. The ripping comes after I’ve cleaned the vomit.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  185. Hmm.. Is anybody here “bitter” about Obama???

    G (c0157b)

  186. Find me another Senator who’s got so many obsessed moonbats hanging off his every word and I’ll find you what you ask for.

    Obama isn’t just some random Senator, now is he?

    Otherwise, as I said before this is a paper thin post

    You don’t need much to prove a lie as obvious as this…

    perhaps that’s the committee he’s been working closely with the most recently and he wanted to get it across better to people who don’t speak English as a first language and probably don’t know what the difference is between the U.S. Senate and a Senate Committee.

    Maybe he should have tried one of those other languages he knows so well. But most Israelis understand English quite well, especially since many of the Israeli citizens came from the US half a century ago.

    And I don’t doubt that the Israelis don’t understand the difference between the entire Senate and a committee composed of only a few members of that larger group. After all, one of those Senators didn’t know the difference, either. (Good thing he’s not running for higher office or anything, huh?)

    Why don’t you guys tout the guys advantages over Obama and why he would make a better President.

    I don’t think he would make a good President, and I probably won’t be voting for him.

    Now why don’t you explain what Obama REALLY meant with that lie public statement above?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  187. Hey Peter,

    Here’s a video for you, since you seemingly missed this as a child.

    Enjoy!

    Paul (2ae585)

  188. I’m asking for the full deep and detailed knowledge that is informing all the convictions here that Obama has lied in this instance.

    Really simple. He claimed something THAT WAS A LIE. Provably so.

    Now why don’t you show us how you can possibly assert that Obama was NOT lying?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  189. Seriously Peter, there are small children who’ve sat in front of “I’m Just a Bill” over several Saturday mornings who know more about the function of the legislative branch of U.S. government than you.

    Probably, but why don’t you explain what happens behind closed doors, the stuff in the background that no one sees. That’s what I asked for. And obviously no one has that sort of in depth knowledge. Perhaps and probably at some point we will, yet you guys are willing to go tearing off into the moonbat stratosphere at the slightest suggestion. It’s like group hysteria.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  190. The man is an epic walking catastrophe, so usually there’s not much ripping as there is disbelief that the man is anywhere near the white house. The ripping comes after I’ve cleaned the vomit.

    Drama queen.

    Paul (2ae585)

  191. #183 – they call that projection. you have accused your critics of the same thing you have been doing all nite. you are a liar of the worst sort. sucks to be you.

    chas (12a229)

  192. Probably, but why don’t you explain what happens behind closed doors, the stuff in the background that no one sees

    Dude, if no one sees, how do you know it’s happening?

    Paul (2ae585)

  193. For your information, I’ve been here for months, so who the fuck are you, Synonym-for-Penis? Yeah I do discredit someone who resorts to “get a life” when they take a position, are asked to defend it, and blow it off with a childish, playground-worthy tantrum. The fact that you can’t understand something that needs none of the oh so lofty, only an insider can know, full deep “truth” that you allegedly demand only shows how smug and dense you are in defending a politician who has repeatedly committed “lingual infractions” of this nature. Similar “lingual infractions” have been the source of endless ridicule, disdain, and contempt heaped upon the current President mercilessly. St. Obama’s words are given rigorous critique no worse than what has ever been inflicted upon Bush and it’s “get a life time?” Right. What’s pathetic is the rank hypocrisy. Peter.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  194. This has probably already been noticed, but I am sure the error occurred when his words were translated from German into English. It happens all the time.

    tyree (6be385)

  195. Peter, your 183
    …maybe if you’d been here these last few weeks you’d have an understanding of what my political beliefs are and you would understand that I know full well the textbook legistlative procedure, but I’m asking for the full deep and detailed knowledge that is informing all the convictions here that Obama has lied in this instance.

    (I feel, I did an adequate job of providing links up there by listing the committees’ Obama was/is on. Furthermore, went into detail over the origins of the legislation. In Obama’s press release, July 17, 2008 (see above if you missed it) he makes no mention of being on this committee. The vote was also 19-2 (11 Democrats, 10 Republicans). Is that clear enough?

    And it is yet to come. This isn’t about catching someone in a lie it’s about you guys having an opportunity to jump on the guy for the smallest lingual infraction. It’s pathetic. Jack.

    You’re right, it isn’t about catching somebody in a lie. It’s about pointing out that this man lied in a foreign nation, giving a false accomplishment.

    G (c0157b)

  196. And obviously no one has that sort of in depth knowledge.

    Not even Barry He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Middle-Named Obama knows.

    Peter, why not show us how it wasn’t really a lie? Show us some of that in-depth knowledge you claim to haven and tell us all about the secret stuff that only Obama and you know…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  197. You’ve been invited to put up, Peter.

    I will double dog dare you to tell us how what Obama said was not a lie.

    Anything at all that seems even remotely plausible to explain how he can claim the Banking Committee is “his” committee will do.

    Go ahead. Tick, tock.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  198. Now why don’t you show us how you can possibly assert that Obama was NOT lying?

    How can you possibly assert that he did, w/o question lie? You can’t. Likewise I can’t assert he didn’t lie. But I did provide a bunch of reasons. There isn’t enough hard knowledge here to ascertain that one way or another. Only difference is I’m willing to admit it, but you guys are convinced he did lie. So as I said way upthread. Don’t let me dissuade you. You keep believing that even though it’s a premature belief and your knowledge is incomplete therefore your reasoning incomplete and your belief is intellectually flawed and dishonest.

    It doesn’t take into account that you’ve spent an inordinate amount of energy on a onanistic exercise.

    Of all the important issues out there, including the one Obama references here. All you guys can do or see is that he said the word “my” about a committee who he sponsored legislation for. Me thinks the point here is not to find the truth, but to distract from the fact the Obama sponsored what sounds like a pretty intense piece of legislation that reads Iran the riot act. And yet again Obama is doing something productive and effective, while McCain spends his time putting people to sleep complaing about Obama this…Obama that.

    So. I’m pretty much through here. And go ahead and say I ran Drummer, I don’t see you on a site with 20 people jumping down your throat. Nor any of the rest of you.

    Anyhow I leave you with my favorite new McCain ad campaign.

    It’s sure to put a smile on your face.

    It’s fucking hilarious.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  199. “the fact the Obama sponsored what sounds like a pretty intense piece of legislation that reads Iran the riot act. And yet again Obama is doing something productive and effective,
    Where to even start the fun on this laugher.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  200. Jack, you’re just too good to be true.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  201. *

    Peter (e70d1c)

  202. G:

    I feel, I did an adequate job of providing links

    Thanks. I’d seen most of them already though. They’re up thread.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  203. Here’s some direct, simple logic for you, Peter:

    May 17, 2007: Mr. OBAMA (for himself and Mr. BROWNBACK) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs [From the text of S. 1430: Iran Sanctions Enabling Act]. As noted by G, Obama’s bill was the Senate version of Rep. Barney Frank’s bill (H.R. 1357), introduced in the House of Representatives on the previous day (May 16, 2007).
    Jul 31, 2007: The House bill passed (408 Ayes, 6 Nays, 18 Present/Not Voting). The Senate version never made it out of committee. Now, a year later (typical government efficiency), the committee — Chris Dodd’s committee — is introducing a reworked version of the Senate version of the House bill. July 17, 2008: Obama issues a press release praising Dodd’s committee for retaining key provisions from S. 1430 in the new legislation. Has Obama played a part in the existence of this new bill? Sure. Does the committee work for him? Absolutely not.

    That is, not unless you take “my committee” to be the congressional equivalent of “my n*ggers”.

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  204. So. I’m pretty much through here. And go ahead and say I ran Drummer, I don’t see you on a site with 20 people jumping down your throat. Nor any of the rest of you.

    Look man, the truth is the truth. You deflected and changed the subject, hence people lost patience with you. You simply aren’t capable at proving it isn’t a lie. Perhaps, if we all are lucky, Obama will issue a statement to clarify, but who knows if it’ll hit all those Israelis or others he just lied to.

    Anyway, I enjoyed the new McCain ad. I don’t think I’ll be voting for McCain either.

    WLS, or DRJ do either of you refer to this blog as “my blog?”

    G (c0157b)

  205. Peter, Obama said legislation was passed by his committee. The one which he is not a member of. It was a lie in front of foreigners. A lie, a lie, a lie. You can say what you want, it does nothing to change the FACT that Obama lies.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  206. How can you possibly assert that he did, w/o question lie?

    Because he claimed that the Banking Committee was “my committee”. Those were his words.

    THEY WERE NOT TRUE. HE DOES NOT BELONG ON THE BANKING COMMITTEE.

    That means he was lying.

    I am open to any reasonable explanation, and you have said that there is one that we can’t figure out because we’re not aware of some obscure Senate rules.

    Well, Petey, feel free to show us how he was telling the truth, and that the Committee really is his.

    Take your time, I’ll wait.

    But I did provide a bunch of reasons.

    No you haven’t. I’ve looked at your comments above, and beyond asserting that there were things we were not aware of, you haven’t said anything at all as to why Obama could claim that the Banking Committee was “his” without that being a flat-out lie.

    Please show us where we are wrong. Please. I would love you to actually show us that a sitting United States Senator and major party candidate for President did not just LIE TO CITIZENS OF AN ALLIED NATION in order to make himself look better than he really was.

    Please help us. Show us how we got it wrong.

    And go ahead and say I ran Drummer, I don’t see you on a site with 20 people jumping down your throat. Nor any of the rest of you.

    Because we are not the one defying reality.

    If I came onto a liberal web site and started telling them that Obama was really a space alien from Remulak, I would deserve the shellacking I would get.

    Just like you are getting shellacked for lying here in defense of another liar.

    Try actually thinking about what comes out of your candidate’s mouth and you won’t keep getting his foot in your mouth.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  207. Peter, I do commend you for your post #13. At least you entered in the conversation with something you believed would provide evidence.

    G (c0157b)

  208. Fine if you’re blown away by the fact that Obama and 34 of his coworkers got together and signed onto a bill that allows state and local governments to be proactive in divesting from companies that aree invested in Iran’s energy sector, GREAT! The private sector has been offering “terror free” portfolios for investors for quite some time and it wasn’t because they were so awestruck by Obama’s moral fiber. This legislation addresses nothing with regard to the investment that foreign countries may have in Iran nor does it address say perhaps if companies choose to invest $19 million instead of $20. I really fail to see the teeth in this allegedly productive and effective piece of legislation.

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  209. THEY WERE NOT TRUE. HE DOES NOT BELONG ON THE BANKING COMMITTEE.

    I’d replace the “ON” (which I’m trying to strike out) to TO.

    Just to be specific, unless you want to make that call also.

    heh.

    G (c0157b)

  210. WLS, or DRJ do either of you refer to this blog as “my blog?”

    Never, because my contributions have always been negligible. Patterico is the one who makes this blog possible and gives it its special perspective, although I think WLS is a good fit as a guest blogger. Both he and Patterico have the ability to look at life and politics in a positive, intelligent, and often humorous way.

    DRJ (297528)

  211. And another think: With his non-stop, hectic campaign schedule, how has he possibly found time to work on this legislation? And even if he has, what gives him the right (unless it’s divine right) to claim possession of, or membership in, the committee to whom his original bill (original in the sense of being the first Senate version of Barney Frank’s House bill) was referred?

    We can debate forever (and it already feels like we have) whether or not he lied (ostensibly to make himself seem like a more important player in this process), but it would be a sign of honesty on your part to at the very least admit that he made a mistake in the way that he phrased that statement.

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  212. I suspect Obama misspoke but it’s interesting how his misstatements always make him look better and more important.

    DRJ (297528)

  213. which I’m trying to strike out

    You have to use the entire word “strike” where the letter ‘s’ appears when you click that button.

    Thus strike out.

    I’d replace the “ON” to TO.

    He doesn’t belong to the Banking Committee. No one does, not since the 13th Amendment. One sits “on”, not belongs “to”, a committee.

    Just a grammatical nicety, but I’m not that strict.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  214. Never, because my contributions have always been negligible.

    DRJ, that is an enormous understatement. As bloggers go, you’ve been outstanding.

    Pablo (99243e)

  215. but I’m asking for the full deep and detailed knowledge that is informing all the convictions here that Obama has lied in this instance

    The full and detailed knowledge required to prove that Baracky lied is the simple fucking fact that he is not on the committee that he claimed to be “my committee”.

    How can you possibly assert that he did, w/o question lie? You can’t.

    I never ever want to see the twatwaffles ever say President Bush lied again, ever. Nevah evah.

    I can, without hesitation, state that he lied. Unless he made an honest mistake, in which case we should expect his campaign to issue a correction, and point out to Israel that he made a mistake in speaking to them.

    That is not the Baracky that I knew.

    JD (e60f78)

  216. You have perfect timing, Pablo, because I just offered today to help Patterico by posting sometimes.

    DRJ (297528)

  217. — Chris Dodd’s press release, from July 17, 2008:

    Senators Chris Dodd (D-CT) and Richard Shelby (R-AL), Chairman and Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, today announced that the Committee passed “The Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2008” by a vote of 19 to 2. The Banking Committee exercises jurisdiction over virtually all aspects of U.S financial and economic sanctions policy toward Iran, including the U.S. trade and investment ban administered by the Treasury Department; sanctions against foreign companies that invest substantially in the energy sector; and targeted financial measures, including freezing the assets of individuals involved in proliferation.

    “This bipartisan legislation will strengthen America’s leadership in the effort to bring peace and stability to the Middle East,” said Dodd. “Targeted and strategic, the bill is designed to maximize the economic leverage on Iran’s leaders to bring them to the negotiating table by tightening economic sanctions and authorizing divestment from companies that do business with Iran’s key oil sector. The legislation also cracks down on the illegal diversion of sensitive U.S. technologies to Iran. I look forward to working with Majority Leader Reid, Republican Leader McConnell and Senator Shelby to bring this bipartisan legislation to the Senate floor, and hope it will be acted upon by the full Senate soon.”

    “Given the magnitude of the threat Iran poses to American interests and global stability, it is essential that the Congress arm the Executive branch with the tools necessary to deter and change Iran’s current behavior in a manner that promotes peace,” said Shelby. “In my judgment, this legislation gives the President additional leverage to meet that goal, and I look forward to working with Chairman Dodd and leadership to advance it through the legislative process.”

    — If Obama was a major player in this new act . . . he got dissed!

    Icy Truth (6ddfc7)

  218. DRJ – Count me amongst the group of people that wish you posted more often.

    JD (e60f78)

  219. Closest Obama got to the Banking committee was when he and Senator Dodd discussed personal real estate out in the hall

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  220. Where do they find these guys? Guys like Peter, that is. They’re on every thread dealing with the O. I would say they’re all paid, but wouldn’t they have to be better prepared/informed if that were the case?

    Maybe when you’ve got that amount of cash anyone is employable in slavish deotion to Saint Barry.

    Good grief. The guy pulled a Senator. Happens all the time. They all embellish. See Kerry, Gore, Silky, Clinton etc. Why not concede the point and then attempt to minimize the importance or intention?

    One would only fight this battle if deep down they knew the guy was an empty suit or something. And that can’t possibly be, can it?

    Chris (b6ebef)

  221. G @ 204 – Its Patterico’s sandbox (he pays the bills) — we’re just happy to have been invited to play.

    WLS (02df99)

  222. DRJ @ 210 — you better take that back.

    I’m quite confident that if you, me, and Patterico were trapped on a desert island with just one keyboard, and it was put to a vote of the commentators who they would like to see post here, you would win in a landslide.

    But I know your secret. Its safe with me.

    WLS (02df99)

  223. Peter used a corporate analogy to defend Obama’s statements. This actually does the opposite.

    Imagine that you work for engineering, but created a slogan that marketing chose to adopt. You are interviewing for a promotion, and the interviewee asks you to name a recent accomplishment. Your answer is, “Just this past week, we passed out of the Marketing Department, which is my department…”

    They’d laugh you out of the interview for not knowing your role in the organization.

    I agree that this is on par with Hillary’s Tuzla sniper fire incident, although the YouTube version of it won’t be nearly as entertaining.

    And DRJ, don’t sell yourself short-your contributions are fantastic. But it IS Patrick’s blog, not yours or WLS’. “My” implies ownership and responsibility that you and WLS do not have on this blog, and that Obama certainly does not have on the banking committee.

    MartyH (fd100c)

  224. I was simply using the “my blog” just to easily point out that neither of you refer to and sort of “ownership” or direct association to. Perhaps Obama thought “my committee” sounded better than “of which I was took part in draft legislation.” Perhaps thats just too silly to even say out loud.

    G (c0157b)

  225. Oh and DRJ, WLS both of you do an excellent job posting.

    G (c0157b)

  226. Perhaps thats just too silly to even say out loud.

    Then why make the emphasis by adding those four words, “which is my committee”? He could have not said them at all, and there would have been no lie at all, and Peter could have easily been able to say that Obama was speaking about all of his fellow Senators when he said “we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee”.

    Those four words utterly killed his credibility, and Peter ended up getting ulcers by trying to spin it so that it wasn’t such a blatant lie.

    Just more evidence that Obama is a narcissist.

    And Peter and Oiram will still vote for him.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  227. “Anyway, I enjoyed the new McCain ad. I don’t think I’ll be voting for McCain either.”

    Then you are voting for Obamabus

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  228. (hit submit too early)

    If you don’t vote for McCain; tactically you vote for the Big O

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  229. Never, because my contributions have always been negligible.

    Yeah, right DRJ.

    That is one debate you will lose. :)

    Paul (2ae585)

  230. Never, because my contributions have always been negligible.
    Comment by DRJ — 7/23/2008 @ 9:04 pm

    “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  231. One would only fight this battle if deep down they knew the guy was an empty suit or something.

    Or if people here began to twist your words around for their own obsessive compulsive reasons. Which is what Drummer did in a very slimy move. And mainly why I came back. I shouldn’t have. I’m very disappointed in you Drummer.

    At any rate I went on to give some hypothetical reasons for what he said, all valid, up to and including the fact that perhaps he embellished a slight bit to make his point, or just made a mistake. You can and he is after all speaking to Isreali’s who’s English might be lacking. Who hear hasn’t had to embellish or improvise to get someone who speaks another language to understand you? I know I have and usually it means using your hands a lot as Obama did.

    Regardless I said at the beginning and I’m saying again, until some clarification is issued this is negligible and just so off the radar in terms of having to do with anything, other than those seeking very desperate comfort and reassurance in believing that Obama’s not all he seems to the naked eye and the right isn’t as irrelevant and out classed as it obviously is.

    What’s funny is that anyone would use this incident as some sort of proof that Bush isn’t a complete trainwreck of a president and perhaps, it was okay to vote for the guy. Twice.

    Hell, if I’d voted for that guy twice I’d be obsessively looking for reassurance that I’m not a completely gullible also, and over-analyzing every tiny gesture made by the current rather amazing Democratic nominee too. A black guy, who’s an inspiring speaker is the Democratic Nominee for President. It does seem unreal at times, I admit.

    What brings me back here continually is trying to get into the psyche of the folks on the Right inorder to understand what drives them.

    That doesn’t mean anyone is paying me anything. I wish they were actually. Hell, if anyhting Patterico should be paying me just for making the most paper thin excuses for a discussion 100% more fun and interesting.

    Those four words utterly killed his credibility.

    Oh the self importance and the desperation Drummer….the desperation.

    Ha ha ha.

    I think those seven words are pretty close to utterly killing your credibility.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  232. If you don’t vote for McCain; tactically you vote for the Big O

    Pretty much. I reserve the right to change my mind, depending on how my state seems to be voting. That may persuade me to vote for the fine senator.

    G (722480)

  233. Or if people here began to twist your words around for their own obsessive compulsive reasons.

    They were your own words, Petey…

    I said, “But what I really want is you to explain how Obama can say that it is “his” committee without actually being on the committee…”

    Your exact words: “I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life.”

    So how can it be a “twist” of words to point out that you said you “don’t really care” that Obama got caught in a provable lie.

    You have been invited, time and again, to come up with ANY reasonable explanation as to how he could assert that claim that the Banking Committee was “his” committee, and you have dodged and danced and outright lied in ana attempt to cover up for him.

    Obama lied. He said something that was not true.

    At any rate I went on to give some hypothetical reasons for what he said, all valid, up to and including the fact that perhaps he embellished a slight bit to make his point, or just made a mistake.

    No reasons were offered, hypothetical or not, just nonsense about hwo there are secret Senate rules that we can’t understand, and that is why he claimed membership on a committee that HE IS NOT A MEMBER OF. That makes it a lie.

    What’s funny is that anyone would use this incident as some sort of proof that Bush isn’t a complete trainwreck

    No one here has mentioned Bush. I certainly haven’t used this incident to excuse any of his mistakes.

    I’m using it to show that Obama IS A LIAR.

    Because he lied.

    And you are trying to cover it up for him.

    the current rather amazing Democratic nominee too.

    You still cannot admit that Obama lied, can you?

    If he had not said the four words that claimed that the Banking Committee was “his” committee, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But he did. That makes it a LIE. Provably so.

    You can’t let a silly little thing like “facts” get in the way of your hero-worship, though, can you?

    You have already admitted that you don’t care that he lied.

    Oh the self importance and the desperation Drummer….the desperation.

    I know. But he’s YOUR candidate.

    Now, once and for all, have you managed to come up with ANY explanation that will show that Obama didn’t lie? Anything at all.

    Or at least point to the exact comment where you say you have already given them.

    If you aren’t lying yourself.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  234. he is after all speaking to Isreali’s who’s English might be lacking.

    So if they don’t understand, it’s okay to lie to them? What about the fact that Americans (whose English is clearly better than your own) have caught him in that lie? Does it matter now?

    (Never mind the fact that there were no reporters there who didn’t understand English, since the questions were all in English, and never mind the fact that one of Israel’s principal languages is English. I will pretend that all of them were speaking the grunt-grunt-*click* languages of deepest Africa, and that Obama lied to people just because they wouldn’t be able to catch him in that lie. I wiull even pretend that the news conference wasn’t broadcast all across the United States, because the US doesn’t have an official language, so nobody will understand English there, either.)

    (Peter, you’re a moron.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  235. My work here is done Drummer. You should stop being so lazy and only hearing what you want to hear and reread the thread and you’ll see that a. You’re lying when you say that I don’t care if Obama is lying. In regards purely to this incident I said: I don’t know, meaning exactly what it says. I’m not in the guys head, wtf? b. I don’t care, meaning I don’t care for this discussion. It’s irrelevant to the content of what he was saying. I have no interest in it. Period.

    Admittedly I was foolish to try and give you guys some hypotheticals, just for the hell of it and those got twisted around too. and BTW I see there’s still no one here, who’s been able to step up and talk about what happens in the background during one of these affairs between various committees and Senators. (I’m not talking about the school house rock version.) Specifically what the deal was with Bill s. 1430. I’m willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this until a fuller explanation comes.

    From the bombast here, you would think the guy just said that he had proof that Niger was selling yellowcake to Saddam.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  236. In regards purely to this incident I said: I don’t know, meaning exactly what it says

    Then it is willful ignorance, as he is objectively not a member of that committee, nor is it his committee.

    Niger was selling yellowcake to Saddam.

    Who made that assertion?

    JD (75f5c3)

  237. Why not just admit that he lied?

    You’re lying when you say that I don’t care if Obama is lying.

    Once more, your own words in comment #64:

    “But what I really want is you to explain how Obama can say that it is “his” committee without actually being on the committee…”

    I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life.

    I’m not making this up, you fucking coward, and you are deliberately telling more lies when you say otherwise. He told a lie, and you said “I don’t really care.”

    I’m not misquoting you. You (and anyone) can go and see the truth for themselves, in comment # 64, supra.

    But you have shown that you are not interested in facts, you “don’t really care” (again, YOUR OWN WORDS) when he lies to citizens and reporters in an allied nation, and your every comment in this thread shows that you are not even worth trying to argue in good faith. You have shown precisely zero attempt at discussing this iisue seriously.

    You have evaded, dodged, danced, spun, lied, ignored truth, and then tried to spin yourself (and, by extension, that liar from Illinois) out of the hole you dug.

    Yet, you have the gall to say: “I’m willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this until a fuller explanation comes.”

    Fuller explanation: He said something that WAS NOT TRUE. He claimed that the Banking Committee was “his” committee. That was a lie, no matter how you try to distort the words. (There’s even a video showing the gesture he made when saying “my committee”, which renders any kind of spin impossible.)

    Your only assertion is that there are obscure rules whereby he somehow secretly works on the Banking Committee behind the scenes, and because no one can disprove the existence of said cabal, you begin jumpoing up and down and saying, “See? He didn’t really lie, because that secret machinery could exist!”

    Bullshit.

    He lied, and only because he thought no one would notice. (It’s not like he’s running for higher office, or anything.)

    From the bombast here, you would think the guy just said that he had proof that Niger was selling yellowcake to Saddam.

    Something that British intel agencies still stand behind, and something that Senator Rockefeller reported was backed by available intelligence reports. (Meaning, “Bush didn’t lie, unlike Obama.) Maybe you should blame Elizabeth Regina.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  238. Hey Drum, I’m just noticing that you never leave this site. Unless your a bot, or have aides working for you, it seems to me that you get your news exclusively from this site and the Right wing web sites you have stored in your bookmark.

    Seriously Man, go outside and read a newspaper or two, it might do you some good to get some fresh air.

    Sleep might help you with your foul mouth too.

    Reeboot dude.

    Oiram (983921)

  239. “what happens in the background during one of these affairs between various committees and Senators
    And how knowing any of this would justify Obama’s claiming membership on a committee to which he does NOT belong?
    Specifically what the deal was with Bill s. 1430.
    And the specific “deal” with this piece of legislation would somehow justify Obama referring to the banking committee as “his” committee? You were given several links and explanations as to the deal with this legislation from the substance of it to the procedure of its way from separate House and Senate committees. There is little that would indicate that Obama is justified in touting this as an accomplishment of his personally or of “his” committee. You know, the one he does NOT belong to?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  240. Oiram,

    Maybe you should do something unusual for a Liberal, think for yourself without blaming someone, condescending, and telling others to open up and accept your propaganda.

    Drum beats you like a drum.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  241. In regards purely to this incident I said: I don’t know, meaning exactly what it says. I’m not in the guys head, wtf? b. I don’t care, meaning I don’t care for this discussion.

    You are a fucking liar, Peter, because those statements were NOT in response to “this incident” or “this discussion”.

    It was DIRECTLY in response to the statement of mine, which you quoted.

    I will happily reproduce the entire comment, just to watch you squirm, now that you have been caught in your own lie.

    Pay attention, now, these are YOUR OWN WORDS, with context and everything.

    ********************

    #64

    Drummer:

    Iran has no diplomatic staff within US territory

    That doesn’t preclude that they might someday. Sounds like someone is thinking ahead.

    But what I really want is you to explain how Obama can say that it is “his” committee without actually being on the committee…

    I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You folks need to get a life. Now if you’ll excuse me I need to head out to my local MArxist chapter and discuss that flag burning contest we’re holding tonight….

    Comment by Peter — 7/23/2008 @ 3:07 pm

    **************************

    You’re a liar, Pete. You got caught. Time for you to call it a day. You can’t possibly dig your way out of this one. Best you could have hoped for is to run for the hills and try to live it down.

    But now you have pissed me off. I will bookmark this thread and use it every time you assert ANYTHING without evidence.

    Best to just run for the hills. And stay there.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  242. WLS, or DRJ do either of you refer to this blog as “my blog?”

    DRJ said: Never, because my contributions have always been negligible.

    With respect, I disagree. I think you’re a wonderful contributor to this blog and I always enjoy your postings.

    bonhomme (d737be)

  243. Hey Drum, I’m just noticing that you never leave this site.

    Pointing out stupid comments by you and Peter (and the rest) takes a lot of my time. Thank God I don’t get paid for it.

    it seems to me that you get your news exclusively from this site

    Seems you’re wrong. Yet again. Quelle surprise.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  244. Hey PCD, try telling what you said in comment #240 to Drum. He can use some of that advice too. I at least read and let sink in what you said. Except for “Drum beats you like a drum.”

    Drum could use a Drumming lesson or two, at least he’ll get aways from his computer for a while.

    Oiram (983921)

  245. Oh yeah your right Drum, you have to sleep at least 3 hours a night. Maybe you sources come to you in your dreams. Your comments are time posted dude.

    Oiram (983921)

  246. Oh yeah your right Drum, you have to sleep at least 3 hours a night. Maybe your sources come to you in your dreams. Your comments are time posted dude.

    Oiram (983921)

  247. Your comments are time posted dude.

    Thank God for high speed modems and tabbed browsers, huh? The fact that I read better than 2,200 words per minute doesn’t hurt, either.

    I also have the TV on in the background, with one ear cocked for anything important.

    What’s your excuse?

    Drum could use a Drumming lesson or two

    Two years of marching band in high school, plus several other brass instruments (trombone, sousaphone, French horn and I was starting on cornet).

    I was also a member of the debate team, 4th degree member of the National Forensics League, and three school letters.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  248. Dr., Oi., & others —

    I enjoy reading your well-thought-out remarks on the topic at hand. Spirited argumentation can be useful in highlighting differences. Rarely is all merit in one position and none in the other.

    On the other hand, sometimes the back-and-forth meanders far from the topic at hand, and strays into ad hominem call and response.

    Threads that are transformed in this way are rarely worth reading–they are rarely readable.

    (Though I’ll confess to occasionally laughing out loud, when the shade of Mencken or Johnson seems to animate a particularly witty pseudonymous comment.)

    My two cents.

    AMac (c822c9)

  249. “Quelle surprise”

    Could to see that your off your “Freedom Fries” kick from 2002 Drum.

    I know I know you like the French President now. I’ve heard it all the crap before.

    Oiram (983921)

  250. Oiram – Care to explain to us how Baracky’s statement was true?

    JD (75f5c3)

  251. Drum, you actually have to read the contents of a text to know what it contains?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  252. AMac – I apologize for playing Whack-A-Troll. Sometimes I cannot help myself 😉

    JD (75f5c3)

  253. Thanks AMac. Your right.

    Oiram (983921)

  254. *sigh*

    “You’re” = contraction for “you are” or “you were”
    “Your” = second person possessive pronoun

    “There” = indicative of location
    “Their” = third person possessive pronoun
    “They’re” = contraction for “they are” or “they were”

    All clear now?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  255. Drum, you actually have to read the contents of a text to know what it contains?

    It certainly helps.

    Is there an alternative?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  256. Is there an alternative?
    Ask Levi. Apparently he’s gotten A’s on papers and tests on books he never read.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  257. Uh, huh. *nodding sagely*

    Given the state of teachers in today’s elementary schools, I won’t say he’s lying, but that wouldn’t work in the real world.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  258. I will happily reproduce the entire comment, just to watch you squirm, now that you have been caught in your own lie.

    Hell, I’ll happily reproduce what I said myself:

    I don’t know. I don’t care.You folks need to get a life.

    Three sentences. Look at how they work together. What do you think: You folks need to get a life. Is saying? Can your overheated, obsessive overworked brain not understand I don’t think this discussion or issue is worth the time of day?. That there are more important things to think about? That I’m disengaging from this discussion?

    So you go and twist my words around. And that’s messed up. I think there needs to be some basic respect and I thought you were capable of that and I was wrong.

    Seems what you really want is to humiliate, in a place where people share your opinions. That makes you not only a bully, but a coward. Man…how about some grace? I mean is this the way you treat people in your house if they disagree with you about something or don’t want to talk about something? Like I’ve said before…poor poor form.

    Honestly I just think you can’t deal with the fact that I’ve repeatedly debated you to a standstill or made you look foolish with your own flawed reasoning and I’ll be happy to refer to those in the future.

    I’m continually very polite and willing to listen to your arguments, yet you can’t seem to return that simple respect. So whatever Drummer. I could say the gloves come off, but I’m just going to continue to not give in to the abusiveness you and many of the people here are capable of, because I’m better than that and I know how to rise above it.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go help the local Marxist chapter mail top secret government files our agents secretly got out of the Pentagon along with some cupcakes to our brother warriors on the Iraq/Pakistani border. BTW the American flag burning contest went swimmingly last night. I was able to completely immolate my flag in under 2 minutes and won the top prize, an all expense paid trip to fabulous North Korea, hooray!!

    Peter (e70d1c)

  259. Three sentences. Look at how they work together.

    Look at how they were used in response to my statement.

    The rest is you trying to cover up not only his lie, but your own, as well.

    So you go and twist my words around.

    See? This is a lie. I didn’t twist anything. I quoted you exactly and even gave the entire comment to provide any possible context.

    You lied to cover up his lie.

    Yet another lie. You were specifically invited to give ANY EXCUSE WHATSOEVER that could explain how Obama could claim that the Banking Committee is “his” committee.

    You have not done so. You claimed that you have, yet you cannot point to any specific comment where you did what you claimed.

    I could say the gloves come off, but I’m just going to continue to not give in to the abusiveness you and many of the people here are capable of, because I’m better than that and I know how to rise above it.

    You won’t do it, because you lied, and got caught. Just like Obama did.

    Yet you’re going to give him a pass and vote for him anyway, because you “don’t really care about this issue”.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  260. Drum,

    You committed a mortal sin. You beat a liberal with truth, facts, and logic. The lib’s emotionalism didn’t trump you. That’s your sin. You win, they lose.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  261. Bye Drummer. Thanks for listening. Oh and BTW Oiram, Drummer is not a “he”. He’s a she. And she’s studying to be an RN. God help the poor mangled or feverish soul who gets placed under her care (for lack of a better word).

    Ouch.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  262. Response to #250.
    JD,
    “it was his bill, not his committee,” referring to the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act that the Illinois senator sponsored and introduced in May 2007. The measure was then referred to the Banking Committee, and passed a vote of 19-2 on July 17.

    Bottom line is he misspoke, call it a lie (I know you will).

    But thank you RNC for keeping Obama on his toes.

    Things like this will help him in the future and help him stay honest during his presidency.

    Oiram (983921)

  263. PCD:

    You committed a mortal sin. You beat a liberal with truth, facts, and logic. The lib’s emotionalism didn’t trump you. That’s your sin. You win, they lose.

    Thanks PCD. I’m so glad there’s so many an objective voice around here.

    /sarcasm

    Holy fuckin’ crapola…

    Peter (e70d1c)

  264. Yeah but hopefully by the time Drum becomes a nurse Obama will have cured the world of all of its ills or at least created the ultimate free health care system.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  265. Oh and BTW Oiram, Drummer is not a “he”. He’s a she. And she’s studying to be an RN.

    Yet more lies. Color me (*yawn*) shocked.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  266. Drum your resume is impressive. Sorry about the drum put down, didn’t know you were a real drummer.

    But is hanging out here the best you can do?

    I know I’m beating a dead horse with you here, but seriously venture out into the left world of blogging. Your good, damn good.
    And don’t give me the bull hockey about them censoring you and kicking you off. You know that’s not true.
    Don’t be afraid. Your fast, reading 2200 words per minute and all. That’s great, work on the liberals on other sites while you work on us here.

    Oiram (983921)

  267. Response to #250.
    JD,
    “it was his bill, not his committee,”

    First, it wasn’t “his” bill, and second, he actually said, “the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee“.

    Try again.

    (When I said “any reasonable explanation”, I meant that it has to at least conform with the facts.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  268. But is hanging out here the best you can do?

    No, but it’s fun beating you two like rented mules.

    And don’t give me the bull hockey about them censoring you and kicking you off. You know that’s not true.

    I DO know that it’s true. They even deleted my comments.

    So don’t pretend that it didn’t really happen, because I’m not repeating vague rumors, I am recounting my own personal experience.

    Things like this will help him in the future and help him stay honest during his presidency.

    Having the media ignore, and his sycophants spin to death, his other blatant lies to our allied nations will help him be more honest? How?

    Even a small child gets his hand spanked. Obama is still getting your vote for POTUS. How is that considered any sort of correction for his bad behavior?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  269. So who’s the liar here Drummer? You or SPQR or both?

    You are.

    He was addressing me directly (not referring to me in the third person), and telling me about HIS neighbor. He was not asserting that I am his neighbor.

    I don’t even think SPQR and I live in the same State.

    In any case you are still wrong, and you have now shown that you don’t understand punctuation, either.

    Moron.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  270. Drum your resume is impressive.

    That was just high school. Imagine how much better I got as I aged.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  271. Good job Drummer, you preach to hundreds of your comrades here at paterico and “Beat” Peter and I (debatable).

    You impress us with your ability to read 2200 words a minute.
    Don’t give up just because a few liberal web sites might have deleted you.

    Did you use the potty language I see in comment #237?
    That could get you deleted from reputable blogs.

    Oiram (983921)

  272. Maybe your friend should learn how to write douche.

    You’re an even bigger loser than I thought. Did you even serve in the military, you hypocrite?

    Or were those three letters you got in High School the high point of your life?

    Peter (e70d1c)

  273. Did you even serve in the military, you hypocrite?

    Ten years in the Navy. Served on both coasts and honorably discharged. 40% disability rating by the VA due to service-connected disabilities.

    And you, you liar?

    Or were those three letters you got in High School the high point of your life?

    They were just the springboard to ever higher success.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  274. Oiram – He was one of 35 co-sponsors. He was not on that committee. So, what exactly about that statement was honest? I know, he has not actually spent enough time in the Senate to know which committees he is on. Is that it? Or, was he spending his time holding hearings on the more important front in the WOT, Afghanistan? Oops. Not doing that either. As DRJ pointed out above, it seems that this “mistake” was done in a manner which just happened to give himself credit for something that was not due him. Convenient, that.

    JD (75f5c3)

  275. Did you use the potty language I see in comment #237?
    That could get you deleted from reputable blogs.

    Oiram, Drummer seems to think that’s a sign of strength. He feels like a big man here surrounded by a coupla hundred like minded people. In short, he’s a bully. The kind the minute you get them alone and confront them wither away into trying to convince you not to beat them to a pulp. I’m sure you know the type. What’s even sadder is that he isn’t capable of understanding when people are being kind or polite to him. Like most bullies and losers he misreads that as weakness.

    The poor deluded fuck. Yeah…go pop some more fuckin’ popcorn Drummer. Until I see otherwise and you show some decency in kind, you’re officially off my radar.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  276. 262, Oi, first Obama has to be Honest before he can keep being honest.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  277. Drumwaster, this is your last warning. No more foul language and no more insults. Next time I see either, your comments go into moderation, and I get to them when I get to them.

    Patterico (0573b1)

  278. Oi, you ought to correct your syncophant in 276 about HIS language, or like most Liberals, you ignore the transgressions of your allies. It is only right wingers that deserve whatever punishment you can conjure up?

    PCD (5c49b0)

  279. Oi, you ought to correct your syncophant in 276 about HIS language, or like most Liberals, you ignore the transgressions of your allies. It is only right wingers that deserve whatever punishment you can conjure up?

    Give me a break PCD. That’s the first time in weeks after a mountain of abuse that I’ve replied in anywhere near in kind.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  280. Did you notice that Peter lied about the lie he lied to cover his lie?

    Three sentences. Look at how they work together. What do you think: You folks need to get a life. Is saying? Can your overheated, obsessive overworked brain not understand I don’t think this discussion or issue is worth the time of day?. That there are more important things to think about? That I’m disengaging from this discussion?

    Disengaging from the discussion? Not interested?

    How many posts did he post after the “I don’t care” statement? Looks like more lies to me.

    Fangbeer (766571)

  281. Baracky lies. Peter and Oiram are cool with that. It is not surprising. That the MSM is not covering this is also no surprise.

    JD (75f5c3)

  282. Until I see otherwise and you show some decency in kind, you’re officially off my radar.

    See you when we see you, and you should be glad I’m not allowed to call you a liar any more (although I don’t see a simple statement of fact as an insult). I still have the thread bookmarked.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  283. The nit picking Republicans are out in full force it seems.

    Read again what you said there JD on comment #275

    (I don’t know how to underline here but please mentally underline “35 co-sponsors”)

    JD said on #275. “Oiram – He was one of 35 co-sponsors. He was not on that committee. So, what exactly about that statement was honest?”

    Thanks for helping me point out the pointless nitpicking the Republicans need to throw in are faces in order to get their man elected.

    Oiram (983921)

  284. Peter cut and pasted:


    Drumwaster, my neighbor – who spent two tours in Iraq as a combat medic – is currently attending nursing school to obtain her RN, on such benefits.

    Comment by SPQR — 7/20/2008 @ 5:47 pm

    So who’s the liar here Drummer? You or SPQR or both?

    Let’s recap, shall we?

    From the July 20 thread Maliki Says a 16-Month Timetable for Withdrawal is OK:

    the bill that the administration opposed increased benefits for all soldiers when the administration wanted to delay the higher benefits to encourage reenlistment.

    Thank you for making my point. The GI Bill proposed by Bush and McCain was a joke. I think you spend three years in the military you should have your college education paid for period. Why the hemming and the hawing and the hesitation and the “oh…but the budget deficit” when none of that has mattered to this administtation before. I’ll tell you why, because they needed to (once again) score political points with the rabid wing of the Republican party. McBush had to look all tough and fiscally responsible and he did it against his “brother” soldiers. What a total hypocrite. I would respect him a lot more if he wasn’t sucking on Rush Limbaughs dick or Ann Coulter’s putrid teet all the time.

    Comment by Peter — 7/20/2008 @ 5:36 pm

    BTW, Peter — tres classy.

    Peter, no I did not make your point. Your point was a lie. You asserted that troops could not obtain a college education: “Or wanting to pursue a higher degree through a GI Bill that the McCain and Bush voted against? …”.

    That’s a lie. The troops have existing generous GI Bill benefits.

    Comment by SPQR — 7/20/2008 @ 5:37 pm

    That’s a lie. The troops have existing generous GI Bill benefits.

    Not to mention programs that help pay for college while still on active duty. (It was paying for 75% back when I was in.)

    Comment by Drumwaster — 7/20/2008 @ 5:43 pm

    Drumwaster, my neighbor – who spent two tours in Iraq as a combat medic – is currently attending nursing school to obtain her RN, on such benefits.

    Comment by SPQR — 7/20/2008 @ 5:47 pm

    Levi. jharp. Oiram. Peter.

    What is it with bellicose liberals’ lack of reading comprehension?

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  285. Thanks for helping me point out the pointless nitpicking the Republicans need to throw in are faces in order to get their man elected.

    It wasn’t “his” legislation, and it certainly wasn’t “his” committee.

    So how is Barry NOT lying when he claims credit for both?

    Take your time.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  286. “our faces” sorry Drum for the type O.

    Oiram (983921)

  287. Oiram – Did he tell the truth or not? If you have to do mental gymnastics on such a base level bit of information, it should tell you something.

    I would be willing to state that I do not think he intended to lie. He just got caught up in the moment, and made his role out to be something far greater than it was. Plus, he really hasn’t been in the Senate long enough, nor should we expect him to actually know which committees he is on.

    JD (75f5c3)

  288. Thanks for doing all that, Smithee. I can’t say anything else, or people might think I was insulting him.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  289. Misspoke, not lied.

    McCain misspoke about the Afghanistan border, he is not an idiot and he didn’t lie about geography. He misspoke.

    Keep Nitpicking Drum and company.

    Oiram (983921)

  290. Misspoke, not lied.

    “Sanitation engineer”, not “trashman”.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  291. Right……… Drum, o.k., yeah.

    Making some sense there. Don’t sweat it.

    Oiram (983921)

  292. pointless nitpicking

    That’s really weird how that works. Somehow I don’t think the same standard will apply to the left after Obama loses the election. On the contrary I suspect there will be a whole slew of nits to pick on the manner in which the election was “stolen” from the messiah.

    Through it all though, I don’t doubt that Obama will feel no shame in referring to “his administration” or “his presidency”

    Fangbeer (766571)

  293. Smithee:


    That’s a lie. The troops have existing generous GI Bill benefits.

    Not to mention programs that help pay for college while still on active duty. (It was paying for 75% back when I was in.)

    Comment by Drumwaster — 7/20/2008 @ 5:43 pm

    Drumwaster, my neighbor – who spent two tours in Iraq as a combat medic – is currently attending nursing school to obtain her RN, on such benefits.

    Comment by SPQR — 7/20/2008 @ 5:47 pm

    Smithee writes:

    What is it with bellicose liberals’ lack of reading comprehension?

    Wrong on both counts Smithee. ANd is it too difficult to let people judge for themselves, without editorializing and spinning it?

    Peter (e70d1c)

  294. Wrong on both counts Smithee.

    You are both bellicose and show a lack of reading comprehension. There are numerous examples of both.

    Better learn the language before you start trying to teach others.

    without editorializing and spinning it?

    You mean like being able to judge words for what they actually say?

    Obama said “the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee”. Those words are not true, and all of the editorializing and spinning that is being attempted will not make them true.

    I won’t say what that makes you, in case someone perceives that as an insult, but the data is plain.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  295. Peter, are you willing to admit you made a mistake?

    Come on, SPQR’s comment is obvious in what it states.

    Drumwaster, my neighbor – who spent two tours in Iraq as a combat medic – is currently attending nursing school to obtain her RN, on such benefits.

    perhaps it could have been written better, perhaps. But it was clear it was in reply to Drumwaster, a poster on this blog, and his neighbor.

    G (722480)

  296. d’oh with the striking… “and his neighbor

    G (722480)

  297. Drumwaster, a poster on this blog

    I’m barely up to the level of “commenter”, but thanks. :-)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  298. You are both bellicose and show a lack of reading comprehension. There are numerous examples of both.

    I don’t need to justify or prove anything to you.

    Your abusiveness, harassment, lying, baiting, and perseverating is all here for all to see if they care to.

    You somehow came to the conclusion that I was a spokesman for Barack Obama and that it justified harrassment.

    really just fuck off already, alright.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  299. You somehow came to the conclusion that I was a spokesman for Barack Obama and that it justified harrassment.

    Because you stepped up and started defending Barry’s blatant lie.

    If you had minded your own business, you wouldn’t have ended up digging that hole so deep.

    And I’ll bet that you’re still going to vote for him.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  300. perhaps it could have been written better, perhaps. But it was clear it was in reply to Drumwaster, a poster on this blog, and his neighbor.

    It seems you made the same mistake. Easy to right? Badly written no? Does that make you a liar?

    According to a certain individual here, it does and it also means you deserve to have your words twisted and be continually harassed and baited and have abuse after abuse thrown at you.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  301. Are you being a spokesman for Obama, and defending his lies again?

    If so, tu quoque is NOT the argument to make.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  302. Because you stepped up and started defending Barry’s blatant lie.

    No, that’s what you think. Not what the reality of is. All I did was link to a Bill. And remark that I didn’t see much news in it, yet you somehow kept coming after me to defend something I had no need or desire to defend.

    I ended up throwing out some hypotheticals in a hope someone could provide more information about how committee’s interface with the Senate. And that was clearly a mistake, as instead of it being seen as an area of interest and discussion it just went haywire and the you ratcheted up the abuse dude, and really how long do you think I should deal with that before I tell you to go fuck yourself. There’s only so much patience anyone has with that shit.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  303. It seems you made the same mistake. Easy to right? Badly written no? Does that make you a liar?

    So your argument now is that Obama misunderstood the text of his own speech?

    fangbeer (fb20ca)

  304. All I did was link to a Bill. And remark that I didn’t see much news in it

    That is defending his lie, just as if you had stepped up and said, “Hey, why don’t you pick on someone your own size? This is what he was talking about, right here.”

    If you weren’t trying to defend his remarks you would have never tried to provide some lame arguments about secret Senate rules and a link to a Bill that Obama neither wrote nor sponsored, nor would you have tried to teach us things about the government that any eight-year-old kid who’s ever seen School House Rock would laugh at in derision.

    You’re welcome to admit that Obama did not tell the truth when he claimed that the Banking Committee was “his” committee, but the longer you stretch this out, the worse you end up looking.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  305. If you had minded your own business, you wouldn’t have ended up digging that hole so deep.

    So it’s okay for you to twist my words around and call me a liar. Repeatedly.

    Again, you look on civility as a sign of weakness. As an invitation to abuse and harassment. I would step away from that approach to life.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  306. So it’s okay for you to twist my words around and call me a liar. Repeatedly.

    Show me where I “twisted your words”. Because I quoted you exactly…

    And when you repeatedly lie, what am I supposed to call you? “Honest Abe”?

    Again, you look on civility as a sign of weakness.

    No, I look on basic honesty as a sine qua non of adult debate. You have not learned that lesson. Obviously.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  307. Really guy, get some help for the perseverating and the OCD.

    Obama is no longer the issue here. It’s your inability to have a civilized debate without resorting to abuse and harassment.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  308. Hilarious, isn’t it Peter. They need to defend McCain’s numerous gaffs by nit picking on Obama’s one or two gaffs.

    You would think that they would enjoy all of Obama’s “media” attention.
    Imagine if Mcain was getting all of the media attention…….. Gaff’s would be exploding all over the place.
    That is of course unless all reporters were like Katie Couric and CBS.

    Oiram (983921)

  309. by nit picking on Obama’s one or two gaffs.

    One or two?

    “There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.”

    Neither of you are at all interested in debating in good faith. Just keep ignoring them as they pile up, and reassure yourself that all of those errors are just forced errors by the MSM (which is secretly in the bag for McCain) and you’ll never have any bad dreams.

    Until November 5th, that is.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  310. Drummer’s lie: #

    I don’t really know. I don’t really care.

    Oh, so he was lying and your defense of him was just another kneejerk response?

    Got it. Peter is finally admitting that Obama flat out lied. One down, millions to go.

    Comment by Drumwaster — 7/23/2008 @ 3:14 pm

    You: and your defense of him was just another kneejerk response?

    How do you make this presumption, ,other that having some preconceived blanket notion (a blind spot) of all Democrats?

    How the hell would I not take offense to some narrow interpretation of what I’m about? Who are you to have the arrogance to tell me what my knewjerk reactions are?

    what I said: I don’t really know. I don’t really care. You people need to get a life.

    to:

    Your interpretation (i.e., lie):

    Peter is finally admitting that Obama flat out lied.

    Your exact words.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  311. It’s your inability to have a civilized debate without resorting to abuse and harassment.

    Change of subject.

    I’ll try one last time before flushing you.

    Did Obama speak the truth when he claimed that the Banking Committee was “his” committee? Yes or no, it’s an easy question.

    Hell, you could flip a coin and have a 50% chance of getting it right.

    And if Obama is not the issue, then your own lack of honesty is.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  312. Your interpretation (i.e., lie):

    Peter is finally admitting that Obama flat out lied.

    Your exact words.

    You are lying again.

    What I repeatedly said is that you admitted that you “didn’t really care” that Obama had lied.

    Those were your exact words, and you wrote them in comment #64. I’ve repeated those words several times, and your own words were what was quoted.

    In fact, you have yet to admit that Obama lied, despite several invitations to do so. Your only response has been to state that you “don’t really care”.

    Keep digging.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  313. How do you make this presumption, ,other that having some preconceived blanket notion (a blind spot) of all Democrats?

    If the shoe fits…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  314. Neither of you are at all interested in debating in good faith.

    That’s BS and you know it. I have debated plenty in good faith. The problem here, is that the few progressives who come here, myself and Oiram and Levi are suddenly forced to play the part of Joe Liberal Talking Points – Punching Bag and really fuck that noise. I’m not going to be pigeon holed into some little stereotype ghetto for anyone’s enjoyment. I’m sorry if I’m not playing the part of liberal to your exacting criteria Drumwaster. It’s weak and it’s reductive and you know where you and anyone else who feels that way can stick that notion right?

    Cos if that’s what’s going on, I’m not even going to waste my time.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  315. Peter is finally admitting that Obama flat out lied.

    Did you write that or not?

    Did a Dybbuk enter your body and make you do things against your will?

    Peter (e70d1c)

  316. In fact, you have yet to admit that Obama lied, despite several invitations to do so.

    I said he might’ve mispoken or made a mistake. So there’s another lie from you Drumwaster.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  317. nit picking on Obama’s one or two gaffs.

    “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.”

    Actual death toll? 12.

    “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

    “We only have a certain number of [people who speak arabic] and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.”

    “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”

    “I had an uncle who was … part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps,”

    “So the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed has been to make sure that the nuclear industry has to disclose whatever they emit anything that might be considered radioactive and share that with local and state communities. I just did that last year.”

    Since the Bush Administration launched a misguided war in Iraq, its policy in the Americas has been negligent toward our friends, ineffective with our adversaries, disinterested in the challenges that matter in peoples’ lives, and incapable of advancing our interests in the region. No wonder, then, that demagogues like Hugo Chavez have stepped into this vacuum.

    My fingers are getting tired…

    fangbeer (fb20ca)

  318. You are lying again.

    What I repeatedly said is that you admitted that you “didn’t really care” that Obama had lied.

    Alright, and we’re done here. Thank you for flat out discounting and ignoring what you wrote.

    There’s nowhere else to go.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  319. Who in their right mind would include Levi as a fellow traveler as if to shore up their numbers? How much more on the bottom do you have to dwell? Who would willingly call him by name as a “fellow” anything?

    Jack Klompus (b796b4)

  320. Hey fangbeer, your reaching on those gaffs.

    Keep searching.

    Oiram (983921)

  321. gaffe also gaff (gf)
    n.
    1. A clumsy social error; a faux pas: “The excursion had in his eyes been a monstrous gaffe, a breach of sensibility and good taste” Mary McCarthy.
    2. A blatant mistake or misjudgment.

    Reaching, huh? What exactly is your test?

    fangbeer (fb20ca)

  322. Those gaffs are extremely debatable dude.

    A gaff is admittedly what Obama is accused of in this post.

    Gaffs are also McCain’s not remembering his geography in the middle east.

    These are not stupid men.

    Oiram (983921)

  323. Thank you for flat out discounting and ignoring what you wrote.

    Tell me in which comment I stated those words.

    If you can.

    If you cannot, then you need to admit that you are making things up. (There’s a shorter word for that, rhymes with “flying“.)

    A gaff is admittedly what Obama is accused of in this post.

    No, what Obama is accused of “LYING”. You can spin it however you want. He said something that was demonstrably not true.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  324. Peter, may I remind you of the first rule of getting yourself out of a hole: STOP DIGGING!

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  325. Oirman, “These are not stupid men.”

    Right, of course they aren’t. Gaff’s are things like misspeaking, they usually make you look dumb or misinformed. Gaff or Gaffe: 1. A clumsy social error; a faux pas. 2. A blatant mistake or misjudgment.: “blunder,” 1909, from Fr. gaffe “clumsy remark,” : something which ought not to have been said, done etc, a blunder. :
    A social blunder, usually verbal.

    I’m sure you could argue that perhaps this “lie” meets that criteria. Though, I think the distinction between a gaff and a lie are pretty obvious, and don’t involve making a false claim.

    Lets now look up “lie” a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

    Thats pretty clear to me. I’m willing to give Obama and McCain a lot of room for gaffs, but I fully believe this is a flat out lie.

    G (c0157b)


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