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7/14/2008

O’Reilly Blasts AP and L.A. Times Over Attacks on Tony Snow, While Howard Kurtz Says: Attacks? What Attacks?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:37 pm



Bill O’Reilly let loose on the L.A. Times tonight:

Link: sevenload.com

(Via Hot Air.)

I stopped watching Bill O’Reilly a long time ago, but he’s good for one thing: righteously laying into someone with passion and anger. When there are goons who laugh about people’s deaths — whether they are Ted Rall, or commenters at the L.A. Times web site (posting with the permission of comment moderators) — you need someone with O’Reilly’s attitude to take them to task.

Well done.

In related news, Howard Kurtz had an online chat today. Over the weekend, I submitted a question, asking whether he would be noting the ugly comments at the L.A. Times web site, the way he had pointedly noted ugly comments at Michelle Malkin’s site about Ted Kennedy.

My comment didn’t make it onto the chat, but this one did — and Kurtz basically said: what ugly comments?

Chagrin Falls, Ohio: Mr. Kurtz, you were upset when bloggers said cruel things about Ted Kennedy’s cancer — rightly so. What do you have to say about those doing the same thing with Tony Snow?

washingtonpost.com: As Good as His Words: Spokesman Tony Snow Earned Press’s Respect (Post, July 14)

Howard Kurtz: I would say it’s outrageous, but I haven’t personally seen any examples. I’m not saying that Snow’s life and career should be above criticism because of his death. We don’t need to sanitize the lives of those who pass away. But crude and hateful comments about someone who’s just died should be shunned.

This means that a) my question to him was not passed along to Kurtz; b) he didn’t read his e-mail this morning, since I e-mailed the same comment to him last night via this contact page; and c) he didn’t read Instapundit (or Little Green Footballs) this morning.

I think after O’Reilly’s blast, Kurtz is going to have a hard time saying he didn’t see any of this.

162 Responses to “O’Reilly Blasts AP and L.A. Times Over Attacks on Tony Snow, While Howard Kurtz Says: Attacks? What Attacks?”

  1. “…I haven’t personally seen any examples.”

    Does that mean even he doesn’t read the L.A. Times, or he did read it, and didn’t find any of the comments objectionable?

    Pat R. (9828c0)

  2. I sent Kurtz an e-mail a couple months back regarding journalism ethics vis a vis Linda Douglass’ move to the Obama campaign and didn’t get a response either.

    I’m thinking that we should be taking it personally.

    Hoystory (08dea2)

  3. What evidence do we have that Kurtz isn’t a liar like so many others in the MSM? I don’t follow the guy so I don’t know that he is. But the presumption any more has to be that most of these guys in the MSM are fairly dishonest folk, so the burden is on any one of them to establish that they’re not.

    We know that Kurtz is less than ethical in his conflicts of interest between his media criticism role at CNN and his role as press critic for the Washington Post — two of the biggest and most partisan press outfits in the country and Kurtz has to play a dishonest game covering up for both of them, and his many friends in both organizations. Mickey Kaus has been good hammering home the significance of this conflict of interest.

    So out of the bag Kurtz is no ethic angle.

    Is he dishonest? Is he a non-partisan straight shooter? I think the burden of proof is on Kurtz. And I think most of us are already aware that he tilts to the left and Democrat.

    But is he dishonest to boot? I can’t vouch for the guy. Can anyone else?

    PrestoPundit (ff5e16)

  4. It’s ironic that Tim Russert would have been the one. He would’ve had a classy response to the whores and bullies.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  5. I think liberals and conservatives can join hands and agree that Howard Kurtz absolutely sucks. I really don’t understand why his position exists, and I especially don’t understand why he is the one who has been chosen to fill it.

    But that said, he is very high profile and must get bombed by so many emails and blog hits, so it doesn’t surprise me that (a) your question wasn’t passed to him, (b) he didn’t read your email, (c) he didn’t read Instapundit or LGF this morning. He is busy. It doesn’t surprise me he didn’t get or address your email or he doesn’t as a matter of rule spend time scanning Instapundit or LGF, as his brief seems to be mostly to criticize broadcast and paper media and not the internet.

    You can criticize Kurtz all you want and I will eat it up, because he bites. But I don’t find your attack compelling when your complaint is that he isn’t responding to your own personal emails, or addressing such unreliable and ridiculous sources as Instapundit or LGF. You aren’t that important that your objections automatically must be addressed, and Glen Reynolds or that freak that runs LGF aren’t either.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  6. Tony Snow was a fine man, a wonderful role model, an intelligent, kind, thoughtful, prayerful, loyal and extremely personable, generous, brave and compassionate man. His wit, intellect and charm were without measure. He deeply loved his wife and children, as well as his friends. He was a fine man and a fine American. He always took the high road.

    His wife, children, other family members are in our prayers and in our hearts.

    God bless them and comfort them.

    jill (c2bbe8)

  7. “Howard Kurtz: I would say it’s outrageous, but I haven’t personally seen any examples.”

    Odd I’ve seen dozens of examples.

    “Besides he’s burning in hell alongside Jesse Helms and Jerry Fartwell so anything I say pales in comparison.”

    “Tony Snow is fine He simply transferred to become Satan’s Press Secretary.”

    “…I think its a fitting end for an asshole who spouted so much bullshit in order to get us to where we are today…Good fucking riddance, IMHO. Some graves deserve to be spat upon.”

    All from the Daily Kos.

    Guess Kurtz doesn’t read much.

    Dave Surls (84a67b)

  8. I haven’t personally seen any examples.
    We have heard that before:
    They didn’t quite “see” the Vietnamese boat people.
    They didn’t quite “see” the Cambodian killing fields.
    They didn’t “see” the that Stalin was killing millions.
    etc. etc.

    Only when liberals can blame Conservatives, do the scales fall off their eyes and they can “see.”

    Perfect Sense (23c691)

  9. So this means that Kurtz regularly reads Michelle Malkin’s website — including the comments — but not the LA Times, Little Green Footballs, Instapundit, Patterico’s Pontifications, or his own email inbox?

    aunursa (09c81f)

  10. Be careful when you applaud O’Reilly for this. He has a twisted agenda regarding blogs and free speech. He was right to condemn the LA Times site because that site picks and chooses what it allows to be printed there, but when he applauds Huffington for erasing posts, it’s his intention to create a standard whereby bloggers who allow public comments on their blogs are held responsible for all the comments. He’s extremely dangerous because he has a substantial soapbox from which he can promote his evil plan.

    j curtis (c84b9e)

  11. So this means that Kurtz regularly reads Michelle Malkin’s website — including the comments — but not the LA Times, Little Green Footballs, Instapundit, Patterico’s Pontifications, or his own email inbox?

    Well, if so, then he has now seen it — because Michelle linked my Hot Air post about it.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  12. Kurtz is another biased Liberal. He won’t ever do the right thing re the Liberal assault on Snow in the obits.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  13. #5 so just what makes Charles Johnson a freak? Is it because he made Rather wet his pants over the bogus TANG story? Or calls the media on its various deceptions about the war in Iraq? Or stays on the religion of peace’s case? I’m sure there are apologists for the LATs who would be very critical of this site also.

    O’Reilly is generally a horse’s ass with his arrogance and lack of actual knowledge and insight about many things. An example is his joining with dems in calling for excorciating the American oil industry. His apparent love for the likes of Jerry Rivers, Al Sharpton, John Kerry, etc. and his populist stance drove me away.

    madmax333 (965af6)

  14. Kurtz has never responded to my online chat questions either, Patterico. Of course this may because I’ve been attacking him for years. But I think you should know how he works. He gets tons of questions, reads them all (or has them read to himm by underlings) and picks and chooses among those he’ll responds t. So rather than answer your question he answered another that was somewhat similar though scarcely identical. That’s his style.

    Regarding Kurtz’s conflict of interest need I remind you all that Kurtz’s wife is a major Republican party operative named Sheri Annis? She was instrumental in Arnold’s successful campaign to become governor of California.

    This may mark her as a “liberal” in the view of many in here, but absolutely not as far as I’m concerned.

    Kurtz plays the fake “equivalence” game in which he “looks at both sides” in its slickest form. For Kurtz there is only one side — that of the status quo.

    David Ehrenstein (85002c)

  15. Perfect Sense: Very well said.

    Old Coot (cb828a)

  16. MM: his name wasn’t Jerry Rivers, it was Jerry Riviera. Big difference. Well, not really, but like Al Gore’s Internet, this is one of those mostly-true stories that gets widely derided as an urban legend if you get a minor detail wrong.

    Xrlq (b71926)

  17. #5 so just what makes Charles Johnson a freak?

    Lemme guess: it’s the long hair!

    Pablo (99243e)

  18. Look Republicans, if you guys are going to start wars that get thousands of American kids and an untold number of innocent foreigners killed, and if you’re going to institutionalize torture, and if you’re going to ignore the Constitution and generally hold up progress, liberals are going to get excited when you die. If you run the country like a bunch of assholes with no respect for the law or sense of humanity, this is the thanks you will get when you shuffle off. Don’t be so thin-skinned, ya god damn crybabies.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  19. Another juvenile comment from Levi, I see.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  20. Look Levi, if you’re going to blather endless inane moonbat talking points, I’m going to laugh at you. If you’re going to comment on a blog like a childish asshole, this is the thanks you will get for venting your spleen. That high horse you’re on is an inflatable and it’s leaking, ya got-damn moron.

    Pablo (99243e)

  21. Look Levi, if you’re going to blather endless inane moonbat talking points, I’m going to laugh at you. If you’re going to comment on a blog like a childish asshole, this is the thanks you will get for venting your spleen. That high horse you’re on is an inflatable and it’s leaking, ya got-damn moron.

    My high horse is fine, idiot. You’re the one that has to carry this administration’s two terms of abject failure and incompetence around, not me.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  22. I have to live with history, you have to live with being the Tard of Thunder. Oh, and you get to carry Jerry Wright. I’ll keep mine, thanks.

    Pablo (99243e)

  23. Levi, you’ve had your ass handed back to you repeatedly on that silly claim of yours. That you cling to it shows only your stubborn adherence to myth.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  24. I have to live with history, you have to live with being the Tard of Thunder. Oh, and you get to carry Jerry Wright. I’ll keep mine, thanks.

    That’s what I’m saying. This is the worst President in history. Give it a few years you mope, there will be no one defending these guys.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  25. Levi, you’ve had your ass handed back to you repeatedly on that silly claim of yours. That you cling to it shows only your stubborn adherence to myth.

    You’ve never handed me anything but stupid little comments like these, haven’t you? I can’t imagine a more pointless existence than yours, with the crap that you post.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  26. Actually, Levi’s comment:

    “…liberals are going to get excited when you die. If you run the country like a bunch of assholes with no respect for the law or sense of humanity, this is the thanks you will get when you shuffle off. Don’t be so thin-skinned, ya god damn crybabies.”

    It’s inexcusable to dance like an nasty child at the death of someone with whom you disagree. Demonizing political opponents is only good picking fights.

    And that is all this Levi person cares about. Not facts. Fighting.

    Eric Blair (e8a68b)

  27. This is the worst President in history.

    You are the worst commenter in history.

    Give it a few years you mope, there will be no one defending these guys.

    Tell that to Ahmad al-Rishawi, a guy who has felt the impact of that war and has lost family in it.

    Of his meeting with Mr. Bush, Sheik Ahmad said he was impressed. “He is a brave man. He is also a wise man. He is taking care of the country’s future, the United States’ future. He is also taking care of the Iraqi people, the ordinary people in Iraq. He wants to accomplish success in Iraq.”

    Pablo (99243e)

  28. Levi’s comments are also very close to violating Patterico’s rule about this kind of thing. Of course, dancing at the edge of bad taste is a skill of sorts…

    Eric Blair (e8a68b)

  29. Two Presidents have had lower approval while in office than George Bush. Those are Harry Truman and Abraham Lincoln.

    Congress’ abysmal 9% approval rating is unprecedented, so we are making historic high (low?) water marks.

    Pablo (99243e)

  30. Who is Dubbya most like, Pablo? Abe or Harry?

    David Ehrenstein (85002c)

  31. The ‘Tard of Thunder writes:

    That’s what I’m saying. This is the worst President in history.

    From the perspective of an immature brat whose concept of “history” goes back less than seven years, I suppose so.

    Xrlq (b71926)

  32. It’s inexcusable to dance like an nasty child at the death of someone with whom you disagree.

    Slow up pal, I don’t merely disagree with Republicans. This isn’t some simple, ‘oh, you favor such and such a tax rate, I do not.’ These people are villains, I’m watching these guys ruin the country to make a buck. Republicans are the threat, as far as I’m concerned, even more than the terrorists. You idiots can do way more damage from the inside than Osama from the outside.

    So get it right, I don’t disagree, I hate. You rank-and-filers not so much, you’re more stupid than evil. But the guys calling the shots? The guys that go out in front of cameras and do the lying? Yeah, that’s hate.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  33. #29 amazing that Carter doesn’t compete for low ratings or worst Presidency.

    One can readily see how much respect Levi has for Tony Snow’s death. Anyone supportive of Bush and/or the war deserves their death in his eyes.

    As an aside my congressman Wexler has a poll out asking about drilling, although he makes it a point to say it wouldn’t mean much, oil companies are making record profits and should drill in the vast acreage already approved. I assume he means the places that lacko oil. He goes on to claim that US has a mere 3% of all the world’s remaining oil supplies located on US soil. Well, duh. I know libs don’t want oil shale development in the pristine west, but there are indications that said shale deposits contain the equivalent of 2 TRILLION barrels of oil and I think it was said to profitable at prices of $30-40 a barrel. Interesting thing is that since oil was discovered in Pa. in 1859, the world has used up 1 TRILLION barrels.
    But of course the likes of Obama, Levi and Harp are against oil independence and getting away from shifting our money to OPEC. Americans need to sacrifice and stop the evil of greenhouse gases and be supportive of the goracle, who himself won’t debate the topic since it is now settled science. Even RINO Schwarzennegger is critical of this administrations lack of enthusiasm for AGW. Does he derive his beliefs independently or from hobnobbing with fat teddy and the rest of that klan? Of course US should be happy to lower overall standard of living because India and China must grow without any limitations?

    madmax333 (613e63)

  34. Yeah, that’s hate.

    And it’s pathetic. But we knew that.

    Pablo (99243e)

  35. #29 amazing that Carter doesn’t compete for low ratings or worst Presidency.

    It’s a good thing, too. Imagine what the 7th year of the Carter Administration might have looked like.

    Pablo (99243e)

  36. And it’s pathetic. But we knew that.

    No it isn’t. When the ‘disagreements’ are whether or not we should spout out bullshit for months to gin up fear in the public to support a war that seemingly only exists to put money into the hands of sleazy American contractors, or whether or not we should follow the Constitution and the rule of law, or whether or not we should torture people and hold them indefinitely with no charges, we’re about a million miles away from polite, gentlemanly political discourse. If you’re going to do that with my country, with my government, and with my tax dollars, in my name, I am going to hate your ass.

    This isn’t just a Republican thing, either. If Nancy Pelosi fell down a well tomorrow, I would hold a parade.

    Not Bush though. Bush belongs naked in a cage in the National Zoo, and many millions of dollars should be spent to keep him alive as long as possible, so we, the people, can throw cabbage and tomatoes at him.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  37. a war that seemingly only exists to put money into the hands of sleazy American contractors

    See, that’s because you’re pathetic. And blinkered.

    Pablo (99243e)

  38. Kind of funny how the resident curmudgeon/misanthrope/village idiot never has a discouraging word to say about Imadamnutjob, Chavez, little Kim, Osama, Al Qaeda. Sure would be poetic justice to see how our hero reacted to having his head sawed off by terrorists.

    People I know who spew constant venom and are filled with hate, are not only miserable to be around, but have numerous physical complaints. Perhaps this troll is still relatively young and who knows what the future will bring? Can’t imagine having a neighbor like that. I don’t know why liberals are so consumed with wishing harm to Bush when their own lackey party was saying many of the same things about Iraq even before Bush ever ran for POTUS. Perhaps Levi, Harp,etc. would find solace and be able to decompress a bit by either joining or forming a protest group like ANSWER or codepinko. Pity they don’t live near me as so many elderly drivers here have accidents. Would be such a shame of some of those insane idealogues were run over while picketing. I’m womdering if it is not possible that one of the contributors here is not the inflated scrotum guy highlighted by zombietime dot com. Perhaps it is all about the shock value and attention seeking?
    I think many more manly liberals should emulate the ready-to-burst cojones look.

    madmax333 (613e63)

  39. See, that’s because you’re pathetic. And blinkered.

    Looking around, I see one group of people that have benefited from this war, and that’s sleazy American contractors, handed no-bid, cost-plus contracts, who are allowed by the Bush administration to operate in Iraq under no laws, regulation, or oversight, and who are not investigated as a matter of Bush administration policy when they commit glaringly obvious crimes.

    Who else has done well? Can you name another group of Americans that have profited even remotely as much as these contractors have? The American military man or woman is being stretched and the American taxpayer is seeing more and more of their dollars shipped overseas for no reason.

    I’ll bet you come back with some bullshit about how we’re all safer, right? And the proof is that there hasn’t been another terror attack, right?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  40. Kind of funny how the resident curmudgeon/misanthrope/village idiot never has a discouraging word to say about Imadamnutjob, Chavez, little Kim, Osama, Al Qaeda. Sure would be poetic justice to see how our hero reacted to having his head sawed off by terrorists.

    When any of those people start doing as much harm as Bush and the Republicans have, I’ll start talking about them. Right now, the immediate threat is from Republicans, and corrosion from within.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  41. Levi, you really need to grow up, that line about Republicans being “a threat” is the real corrosion.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  42. Looking around, I see one group of people that have benefited from this war, and that’s sleazy American contractors, handed no-bid, cost-plus contracts, who are allowed by the Bush administration to operate in Iraq under no laws, regulation, or oversight, and who are not investigated as a matter of Bush administration policy when they commit glaringly obvious crimes.

    Well, that’s a tangled mouthful. And Iraqis don’t count, right?

    Who else has done well? Can you name another group of Americans that have profited even remotely as much as these contractors have?

    Nope, no Iraqis there. I like the “Here’s everyone who made money. Now, tell me who else made money other than them!” formulation of your “those who benefited” argument. Not every benefit can be calculated in dollars. But, since we’re on about contractors, how about those who didn’t contract directly in Iraq? Boeing, Raytheon, Northrup-Grumman, etc…? And their employees and stockholders, naturally.

    Pablo (99243e)

  43. “When any of those people start doing as much harm as Bush and the Republicans have, I’ll start talking about them.”

    This is a disgusting and outrageous comparison, and an affront to millions who have suffered at the hands of these oppressive tyrants through torture, starvation, terrorism and every other known evil to man.

    Its no suprise that you have the unmitigated asinine gall to imply that Bush is worse.

    Now I have to go take a shower and rinse off this filth.

    Dana (f3e2a8)

  44. Levi forgets that KBR got its “sleazy, no bid” contract from the Clinton administration.

    Actually, that’s not true. Levi didn’t forget. Its been pointed out to him before. Levi will discard every fact that conflicts with his juvenile paranoid ravings.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  45. 18, Levi, you are delusional. If things were as you state, how can you explain how you haven’t been hunted down, tortured, and killed yet?

    PCD (5c49b0)

  46. Look Republicans, if you guys are going to start wars that get thousands of American kids and an untold number of innocent foreigners killed, and if you’re going to institutionalize torture, and if you’re going to ignore the Constitution and generally hold up progress, liberals are going to get excited when you die. If you run the country like a bunch of assholes with no respect for the law or sense of humanity, this is the thanks you will get when you shuffle off. Don’t be so thin-skinned, ya god damn crybabies.

    Tard of thunder – My entire family is Dems. Not a one of them agree with you.

    JD (75f5c3)

  47. “Look Republicans, if you guys are going to start wars that get thousands of American kids and an untold number of innocent foreigners killed…”

    The Republicans didn’t start any war with Iraq, the Iraqis did that when they invaded Kuwait.

    1. Iraq invades Kuwait.

    2. USA et al fight Iraq.

    3. Ceasefire.

    4. Iraq breaks pretty much all the terms of the ceasefire.

    5. War resumes, Bush I, Clinton administrations bomb Iraq hundreds of times.

    6. Bush II gets fed up with lack of results from neverending bombing campaign, invades Iraq.

    That’s what the situation is. The Republicans didn’t start anything. But, even if that wasn’t the case, Tony Snow is hardly responsible for making decisions like going to war or launching invasions.

    Dave Surls (3abe69)

  48. These people are villains, I’m watching these guys ruin the country to make a buck. Republicans are the threat, as far as I’m concerned, even more than the terrorists.

    Followed by

    So get it right, I don’t disagree, I hate.

    Levi confirms the old adage that the Right thinks the Left is wrong, but the Left just hates the Right.

    JD (75f5c3)

  49. Nope, no Iraqis there. I like the “Here’s everyone who made money. Now, tell me who else made money other than them!” formulation of your “those who benefited” argument. Not every benefit can be calculated in dollars. But, since we’re on about contractors, how about those who didn’t contract directly in Iraq? Boeing, Raytheon, Northrup-Grumman, etc…? And their employees and stockholders, naturally.

    I was restricting it to which Americans have benefited, and in that regard, you can name no one else but these lawless, wasteful, Bush-friendly contractors,can you? If you’re paying taxes, you’re seeing no beneficial return, in fact oil prices, the one thing this war was supposed to lower, have gone up, and if you’re in the military, you’re being used like a cumrag.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  50. The Republicans didn’t start any war with Iraq, the Iraqis did that when they invaded Kuwait.

    LOL!

    You people never cease to amaze me.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  51. Levi: Who else has done well? Can you name another group of Americans that have profited even remotely as much as these contractors have?

    Every American has benefited.

    * No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11/01
    * Thousands of terrorists killed or captured in Iraq
    * terrorist plans, plots, identities, locations all gained from captured terrorists and writings and computers left behind by fleeing terrorists

    aunursa (1b5bad)

  52. Levi: Republicans are the threat, as far as I’m concerned, even more than the terrorists.

    With comments like that, don’t expect any reasonable person to take you seriously.

    aunursa (1b5bad)

  53. You people never cease to amaze me.

    You’re easily amazed. Almost child-like.

    Horatio (a549f7)

  54. Every American has benefited.

    * No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11/01
    * Thousands of terrorists killed or captured in Iraq
    * terrorist plans, plots, identities, locations all gained from captured terrorists and writings and computers left behind by fleeing terrorists

    All bullshit, nothing else to say.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  55. I was restricting it to which Americans have benefited, and in that regard, you can name no one else but these lawless, wasteful, Bush-friendly contractors,can you?

    Try reading all of what you quoted, ToT.

    Now, who said the war was supposed to lower oil prices? I don’t recall that being offered as a rationale by anyone arguing for taking Saddam out.

    Pablo (99243e)

  56. All bullshit, nothing else to say.

    You have nothing at all to say, because everything you’ve got is completely hollow. Really, all you have is rude, which doesn’t carry much weight.

    Pablo (99243e)

  57. With comments like that, don’t expect any reasonable person to take you seriously.

    I don’t expect you to understand what I’m talking about. You guys battle total fabrications of liberalism and leftism that were conjured up for you. If you’ve signed off on torture, objective-less war, and dismantling Constitutional principles like habeas corpus and the 4th amendment, you’re too far gone.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  58. Now, who said the war was supposed to lower oil prices? I don’t recall that being offered as a rationale by anyone arguing for taking Saddam out.

    It was. I don’t expect you to remember, being a Republican vote heavily depends on your ability to have your memory scrubbed on a frequent basis.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  59. Levi predictably wrote: This is the worst President in history. Give it a few years you mope, there will be no one defending these guys.

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Bush isn’t even the worst President in the last thirty-five years…yet. Whatever Bush has or hasn’t done, the damage pales before what Carter did in abandoning the Shah of Iran and greasing the skids for Ayatollah Khomeini (and diluting the benefits of the Begin-Sadat accord), and leaving it up to his successor to deal with Americans held hostage by the “holy man” he trusted with a petroleum power.

    Even if you disagree about Carter (which is hilarious), I would like to see anyone make a case that Bush is heretofore worse a worse CIC than Lyndon Johnson. Liberal historical revisionists blame Nixon for Vietnam more than LBJ, but he was the guy who oversaw the escalation of JFK’s advisory venture on the advice of Robert McNamara. Want to say Bush was more clueless than LBJ? HA! Johnson didn’t even know what was going on in Vietnam after ramping up the operation, and neither did McNamara. Don’t believe me? Believe LBJ and McNamara in their own words. And people who want to pretend that Obama’s bluster about “change” and “hope” is based in reality would be well-advised to see how Johnson’s “Great Society” turned out.

    It was surprisingly gratifying to watch the outpouring of love from the American public shame the MSM into giving Ronald Reagan his due when he passed away. I’ve said before, and I’ll say it again: Many liberals have never forgiven Reagan for failing to start a nuclear holocaust like they swore he would. Thanks to the morons at the Nobel Peace Prize, Carter, whose greatest contribution had been building homes for poor people, was rehabilitated somewhat after winning the award for no reason other than to piss on Bush. Meanwhile, LBJ, who became President through tragedy and walked away from the White House in utter defeat, is only whispered about by his party nowadays.

    This may not be saying much, but unless Iraq goes as badly as Dean, Pelosi and Reid want it to (which is unlikely at the moment), Bush will look better in retrospect if for no other reason but having kept the nation from collapsing under its first significant foreign terrorist attack on the mainland and preventing further attacks from taking place.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  60. Levi puked: Bush belongs naked in a cage in the National Zoo, and many millions of dollars should be spent to keep him alive as long as possible, so we, the people, can throw cabbage and tomatoes at him.

    Uh huh. Millions of dollars should be spent for the purpose of hateful spite.

    Sounds like a Democrat talkin’.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  61. And being who you are heavily depends on having your blowhole scrubbed on a frequent basis.

    “…have gone up, and if you’re in the military, you’re being used like a cumrag.”

    Levi, do you write the letters to Penthouse for a living? Is that what you do to pass the time between your litterbox cleanings? Come now, don’t be shy.

    Dmac (416471)

  62. Levi, your continual ignorance of even the most basic history prior to 1993 astonishes all but the second grader who lives next door.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  63. This may not be saying much, but unless Iraq goes as badly as Dean, Pelosi and Reid want it to (which is unlikely at the moment)

    Unlikely, eh?

    I cannot imagine in my wildest fantasies a scenario where we come out of Iraq ahead, in the black, with something to be proud of, having accomplished anything, whatever you’d want to call it. After everything we’ve lost, the money, the people, the respect, the credibility, and most recently, the 4th amendment, what could possibly come back to us?

    Bush will look better in retrospect if for no other reason but having kept the nation from collapsing under its first significant foreign terrorist attack on the mainland and preventing further attacks from taking place.

    It is collapsing. Are you paying attention?

    And will all Presidents get a ‘One Free Massive Terrorist Attack Without Criticism’ card in the future, or is that a Bush-only thing?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  64. As I mentioned in another thread, Levi reminds me of the Democrats of 1864.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  65. in fact oil prices, the one thing this war was supposed to lower,

    I missed this justification for the war. Could you source that please?

    and if you’re in the military, you’re being used like a cumrag.

    I will be sure to tell my friends that they are cumrags. That was your most offensive comment ever, and the sad part is, A) you likely have no idea why it is offensive, or B) you are proud of that statement. Either way, you are a disgusting little asshat.

    Levi lecturing people on scrubbing their memories on the same day that Baracky is again scrubbing his site of his internal contradictions and lies. Priceless.

    JD (75f5c3)

  66. Yeah, it is hilarious how Levi fraudulently invents a “reason” for the war and then criticizes Bush for not accomplishing it.

    You’d think he was pulling this stuff out of his ass …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  67. It was. I don’t expect you to remember

    Great. Remind me, with specifics. I checked the AUMF. No mention of oil prices. So, who said that lower oil prices was a reason to invade Iraq.

    Pablo (99243e)

  68. Bush belongs naked in a cage in the National Zoo, and many millions of dollars should be spent to keep him alive as long as possible, so we, the people, can throw cabbage and tomatoes at him.

    What about Clinton and Kerry, who both voted for the war? What about the Democrat controlled congress that fully funds the war? Do they get bigger or smaller cages?

    Perfect Sense (23c691)

  69. 18

    I can understand why conservatives would rejoice when liberals die because the host is always happy to rid itself of the parasite, but it seems sort of self-defeating for you lib parasites to “get excited” when conservatives die and can no longer be forced to contribute to your welfare checks and pay for your hiv drugs, etc.

    j curtis (c84b9e)

  70. Meanwhile, the Democrats are putting Congressmen impeached for bribery on intelligence commitees and staff people in charge of the Homeland Security Committee staff that don’t even have security clearances.

    Talk about incompetent.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  71. Levi babbled: If you’ve signed off on torture, objective-less war, and dismantling Constitutional principles like habeas corpus and the 4th amendment, you’re too far gone.

    Here’s a harsh bit of truth for you, Leev: If your man Barry has to someday make a “ticking time bomb” choice between “torture” (however you want to define it) and the survival of the United States as we know it, HE WILL CHOOSE “TORTURE.” That is, of course, unless he wants to be adored by the rest of the world so much, he would be willing to be forever known as The President Who Lost America — the one who decided that if we had to “torture” to keep the nation intact, it wasn’t worth preserving.

    As has happened to every empire, The American Empire will someday be a thing of the past. Lincoln, FDR, and George W. Bush (among others) have had to make choices that were larger than any of us could possibly imagine. History will debate their tactics. What should not be lost in the debate is the fact that in each case, the republic survived.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  72. Levi: It is collapsing. Are you paying attention?

    I’m sorry — I didn’t hear of any terrorist attacks occurring in Montana this morning. You OK, Leev?

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  73. What never ceases to amaze me is that when confronted with a hard question, Levi is always allowed to change the subject and continue to spreead manure with impunity.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  74. L.N. Smithee, Obama already signaled that with his flip-flop on FISA – because he knows he does not want the telecoms refusing to cooperate with him due to his party’s juvenile behavior.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. Levi, I asked you this once before, but got no coherent response – so let’s conduct a little exercise and see what we can discover – sound good? Please tell us the following:

    – How old are you (and not in dog years, please);

    – what do you do for a living;

    – are you married, or have any meaningful relationship with what one could call the opposite sex (or same sex, no problemo);

    – where do you live;

    – how much (approximately)
    do you pay in taxes annually;

    – are you college educated

    After you’re answered these basic questions, we can then decide if you’re even worth responding to in the future.

    Dmac (416471)

  76. Levi, after either showing that his teachers failed him in giving him “A’s” on essays for books he hadn’t read or pretending he didn’t get my meaning, wrote: I cannot imagine in my wildest fantasies a scenario where we come out of Iraq ahead, in the black, with something to be proud of, having accomplished anything, whatever you’d want to call it.

    You’re changing the criteria of my comment. I wrote in very plain English:

    This may not be saying much, but unless Iraq goes as badly as Dean, Pelosi and Reid want it to (which is unlikely at the moment), Bush will look better in retrospect

    All three of those Dems foretold the failure of the surge. Reid, to distract the media from investigating his shady land deals, announced that the war was already lost shortly after the surge began. They were all wrong.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  77. Uggggh…shut up, j curtis.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  78. “Now I have to go take a shower and rinse off this filth.”

    Dana is terribly, terribly sensitive, Levi. Many “Conservatives” are. It’s their version of “playing the victim card.”

    David Ehrenstein (85002c)

  79. Here’s a harsh bit of truth for you, Leev: If your man Barry has to someday make a “ticking time bomb”

    God, do I have to read the rest of this?

    Nothing like that has ever happened, nor is it likely to ever happen. We’re not in Die Hard, okay? If it does happen, you can ‘go all Jack Bauer on their asses,’ and torture whoever you want for as long as you want, but in the mean time, let’s not equivocate real life to some shared Republican action-movie fantasy, okay?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  80. You are a disgusting vile piece of filth, Levi.

    JD (75f5c3)

  81. Dmac wrote: Levi, do you write the letters to Penthouse for a living?

    I haven’t picked up a Penthouse in almost thirty years. As far as that mag has fallen, I doubt they are so desperate they would print stuff from guys with cabbage and tomato fetishes.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  82. God, do I have to read the rest of this?

    No, My son, you can take a nap if you like.

    Also, Levi, I still love you, but can you stop asking Me silly questions?

    God (1f5ddb)

  83. “Republicans are the threat, as far as I’m concerned, even more than the terrorists.”

    Sure, we all know that atrocities isn’t what bothers the leftists, what bothers them is a political party that they fear will cut off their welfare checks.

    That’s why the leftscum side with Al Qaida terrorists over the Republicans (well, they would if any of them had the balls to do so…but, since leftists are abject cowards, all they’ll really do is talk, they aren’t likely to risk anything by overtly helping Al Qaida in order to hurt the Republicans).

    That’s why liberal Democrats who put innocent American citizens in concentrtion camps and who drop atomic bombs on Japanese cities are heroes to the leftscum, and not-so-liberal Republicans who waterboard terrorists aren’t. The Dems engage in far worse atrocities, but they also never stop promising free handouts to the leftists, and that’s why leftist scum love guys like Roosevelt and hate Bush.

    Leftists, like Levi, are the absolute scum of the earth, and I don’t get too upset when they start dancing on the graves of decent people. I care what decent people think. I don’t care what scum thinks.

    Dave Surls (3abe69)

  84. Levi, the main purveyor of fantasies here is you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  85. “As I mentioned in another thread, Levi reminds me of the Democrats of 1864.”

    Yeah, he’s also like the southern Democrats who turned traitor in 1860/61, and the leftist garbage who were working for the Soviets during the cold war.

    Some things never change, and Democrat/leftist treachery and treason is a constant.

    The only time Dems and/or leftists are loyal to this country is when they’re running the show…and, not always then.

    Dave Surls (3abe69)

  86. Levi, I asked you this once before, but got no coherent response – so let’s conduct a little exercise and see what we can discover – sound good? Please tell us the following:

    – How old are you (and not in dog years, please);

    – what do you do for a living;

    – are you married, or have any meaningful relationship with what one could call the opposite sex (or same sex, no problemo);

    – where do you live;

    – how much (approximately)
    do you pay in taxes annually;

    – are you college educated

    After you’re answered these basic questions, we can then decide if you’re even worth responding to in the future.

    Hilarious!

    You first.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  87. I’ll start:

    – How old are you (and not in dog years, please);

    56

    – what do you do for a living;

    IT Director for a 25 person firm

    – are you married, or have any meaningful relationship with what one could call the opposite sex (or same sex, no problemo);

    Married to the same woman for over 30 yrs, 2 daughters both in their 20s

    – where do you live;

    Scottsdale, AZ

    – how much (approximately) do you pay in taxes annually;

    $20K

    – are you college educated

    Yes

    Levi–your turn

    Horatio (a549f7)

  88. Levi–your turn

    Comment by Horatio — 7/15/2008 @ 1:26 pm

    What is the point? Am I to be impressed by that?

    I have a question: How many times did you vote for George Bush?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  89. Uggggh…shut up, j curtis.

    I will not. those were profoundly insightful philosophical observations I was making.

    j curtis (c84b9e)

  90. Levi predictably wrote: God, do I have to read the rest of this?

    Nothing like that has ever happened, nor is it likely to ever happen. If it does happen, you can ‘go all Jack Bauer on their asses,’ and torture whoever you want for as long as you want, but in the mean time, let’s not equivocate real life to some shared Republican action-movie fantasy, okay?

    As I have already explained to you, it might very well have happened if Jamie Gorelick and the people who put up “The Wall” hadn’t made sure it didn’t happen with the 9/11 hijackers.

    We’re not in Die Hard, okay?

    We’re not in The Grapes of Wrath or 1984 either, but that’s how you libs like to portray it. Okay?

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  91. Horatio, Dmac….

    You know that this guy lives in his parents’ cellar, watching Olberman with his friends. On Second Life.

    I’m guessing a bunch of Green Day posters on the wall. Oh, and Rage Against the Machine.

    And a bong in the shape of a human skull.

    Hardcore, you understand.

    This is why you won’t get a biography. He is all about being supertoughmacho in the comments section. In real life, not so much.

    Sooner or later, like a red cloth in front of a bull, he will say something horrible enough to induce Patterico to ban him. And then peace will reign, until the next troll.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  92. Levi wrote: What is the point? Am I to be impressed by that?

    What you’re supposed to do is do it yourself after you wrote “You first.”

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  93. Levi wrote: What is the point? Am I to be impressed by that?

    What you’re supposed to do is do it yourself after you wrote “You first.”

    That’s not even the same dude, you realize?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  94. How many times did you vote for George Bush?

    Actually, once in ’04. Voted libertarian in ’00, and every election before that.

    Your turn -you can be 2nd.

    Horatio (a549f7)

  95. That’s not even the same dude, you realize?

    OK – I think we should anoint Levi with a new moniker: “Non Sequitur”

    So NS (Can I call you “NS”?) the ball is in your court. I went first as you suggested, albeit to Dmac, but I figured it would be helpful to get a profile of other commenters here.

    Horatio (a549f7)

  96. Actually, once in ‘04. Voted libertarian in ‘00, and every election before that.

    Your turn -you can be 2nd.

    The last time one of you was making this same, retarded appeal to authority, I started talking about my father, the uber-liberal active-duty Lt. Col in the U.S. Army with years of experience training Middle Eastern soldiers and who was stationed at the Pentagon on 9-11, that shut him up pretty quick. He’s older than you are, can we just compare him to you and call it a day?

    Look, I get it. You’re older than me. Your wife is older than my girlfriend. You make more money. I haven’t finished college. I actually blow you away in the kids department. What does any of that matter? I’m the non sequitor?

    So yeah, you appeal to your job and your old wife, I’ll appeal to my war hero dad, sound good?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  97. You can appeal to your father all you want, I’d be surprised if he was a completely ignorant as you demonstrate yourself to be.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  98. You can appeal to your father all you want, I’d be surprised if he was a completely ignorant as you demonstrate yourself to be.

    Oh dear heavens no, I do believe this man just insulted the troops! How could you?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  99. Levi, I think the point of the exercise is to remind others that you haven’t exactly established yourself in the “real” world yet. And further, most of your views aren’t based on actual experience, but rather what you learn in a classroom.

    G (722480)

  100. “Oh dear heavens no, I do believe this man just insulted the troops! How could you?”

    Heh, only if you have severe reading comprehension problems.

    G (722480)

  101. Levi, your inability to read english is hilarious.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  102. Oh dear heavens no, I do believe this man just insulted the troops! How could you?

    Comment by Levi — 7/15/2008 @ 2:32 pm

    hahaha that is amusing. Levi doesn’t read very carefully, does he? Dear Sir: SQPR just complimented your father.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  103. cross post. And still laughing.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  104. typo: SQPR = SPQR. Sorry, SPQR.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  105. Levi, I think the point of the exercise is to remind others that you haven’t exactly established yourself in the “real” world yet.

    Lol! You don’t know anything about me.

    And further, most of your views aren’t based on actual experience,

    Yes they are.

    but rather what you learn in a classroom.

    College is retarded, I haven’t learned nearly as much from that pyramid scheme as I have from the internet and watching our joke of a media on the television.

    What are your credentials? I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  106. So yeah, you appeal to your job and your old wife, I’ll appeal to my war hero dad, sound good?

    NS – you live up to your moniker – I’m not appealing to anyone. Just giving a mini-profile. You suggested someone go first. I did.

    Horatio (a549f7)

  107. What are your credentials? I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?

    Comment by Levi — 7/15/2008 @ 2:39 pm

    Well…all due respect, having a father with a military career, however distinguished (and I’m sure it is) is not really a credential. One has to earn that for oneself.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  108. “ban him”

    Excellent idea. The more that traitor lefties are silenced…the better.

    “Republicans are the threat, as far as I’m concerned, even more than the terrorists.”

    Why should decent people want to give some asshole like this the bandwidth to puke up his hate, lies and hypocrisy, while thousands of Americans lie dead, and while our servicepeople are risking their lives fighting terrorists?

    What the hell would you want to do that for?

    Kick his ass to the curb.

    Why give traitors a chance to spew?

    Dave Surls (3abe69)

  109. Levi, you should really be careful what you say. People are watching you.

    If you really believe things are as bad as you say, you could just disappear, dude. You could be held indefinitely, without access to you iPod or cellphone.

    Teh horror, teh horror.

    And I don’t think your girlfriend would say mooooo!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  110. “I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?”

    Levi – He owes his achievement in rank to you? Are you sure that he didn’t achieve his rank in spite of you?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  111. You can appeal to your father all you want, I’d be surprised if he was a completely ignorant as you demonstrate yourself to be.

    You’re all right, I did misread that.

    But there isn’t anything I’ve ever said on here that he wouldn’t disagree with. Where do you think I got it from?

    Levi (74ca1f)

  112. Levi hilarious writes: “College is retarded, I haven’t learned nearly as much from that pyramid scheme as I have from the internet and watching our joke of a media on the television.

    Actually, Levi, you’ve demonstrated that you’ve learned nothing from any source. Repeatedly. And had your ass kicked on factual matters for months. And you still haven’t absorbed just how ignorant you really are.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  113. Lol! You don’t know anything about me.
    I only see what you say about yourself, I only know that you are under 25, in college, and have issues. Being that I can’t possibly be much older than you, I can’t really speak much as to what all experience truly is. See, I lack a wife, children and decades working/tax experience, just like you.
    Yes they are.
    Surely you can’t be so foolish to think you “know it all” and that real life experiences won’t change your views. Not that I care to spend the time, but I’m guessing if we were to list out all your views, and compare them to your “real” life experiences, it’d be very interesting.

    College is retarded, I haven’t learned nearly as much from that pyramid scheme as I have from the internet and watching our joke of a media on the television.

    What are your credentials? I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?

    My credentials? For one, I don’t use my father to falsely boost myself or my arguments. I do appreciated your fathers service to our country. His service isn’t yours though. Funny to see the 3rd grade, “my father is better than yours” response. So, I challenge you to open up your mind with the notion that you pretty much, just don’t know much yet. I too, have a long way to go in my education in this thing called life.

    G (722480)

  114. Levi, when you claim that there isn’t anything you’ve said that your father would disagree with, I can only conclude that that statement is more of your perennial lying.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  115. But there isn’t anything I’ve ever said on here that he wouldn’t disagree with. Where do you think I got it from?

    Comment by Levi — 7/15/2008 @ 2:50 pm

    Levi. Dude. Read the sentences before posting. Those double negatives’ll get ya every time. :)

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  116. Well…all due respect, having a father with a military career, however distinguished (and I’m sure it is) is not really a credential. One has to earn that for oneself.

    It is pointless, I know. That’s the point. It’s just as pointless to talk about my dad and his military career and experience as it is for some IT guy to tell me about his job and his old wife. Neither of those things have anything to do with the political argument at hand.

    Hey, what is the political argument at hand? Looks to me like we’re just talking about Levi again.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  117. Levi. Dude. Read the sentences before posting. Those double negatives’ll get ya every time.

    Word. Definitely getting ahead of myself today.

    Good thing we’re not talking about anything that matters, or I might be embarrassed!

    Levi (74ca1f)

  118. I only see what you say about yourself, I only know that you are under 25, in college, and have issues. Being that I can’t possibly be much older than you, I can’t really speak much as to what all experience truly is. See, I lack a wife, children and decades working/tax experience, just like you.

    Who cares? That doesn’t anything have to do with anything.

    Yes they are.
    Surely you can’t be so foolish to think you “know it all” and that real life experiences won’t change your views. Not that I care to spend the time, but I’m guessing if we were to list out all your views, and compare them to your “real” life experiences, it’d be very interesting.

    College is retarded, I haven’t learned nearly as much from that pyramid scheme as I have from the internet and watching our joke of a media on the television.

    What are your credentials? I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?

    My credentials? For one, I don’t use my father to falsely boost myself or my arguments. I do appreciated your fathers service to our country. His service isn’t yours though. Funny to see the 3rd grade, “my father is better than yours” response. So, I challenge you to open up your mind with the notion that you pretty much, just don’t know much yet. I too, have a long way to go in my education in this thing called life.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  119. That’s another fuck-up right there.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  120. Hey, what is the political argument at hand? Looks to me like we’re just talking about Levi again.

    Comment by Levi — 7/15/2008 @ 2:53 pm

    It is frustrating, isn’t it? You notice that threads’ topics never seem to turn to the person of aphrael (a liberal, just in case you didn’t know) or anyone who reads carefully, responds thoughtfully and doesn’t namecall. I wonder why that is? Hmmm….

    With respect, perhaps you’d get to talk more about issues if you actually seemed interested in, well, talking about issues, rather than 1) rushing through posts to make shots at others (aka “winning”) and 2) insulting others.

    I realize I’m probably talking into the wind. But it’s up to you really; you get treated how you treat others, and how you train people to see you.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  121. Oh my gosh! Whatever Levi may be (or may not be…but lets not dwell on the brutal truth), he is absolutely brilliant in inspiring some of the funniest one liners. LMAO! There is a use for him here after all.

    “Levi, do you write the letters to Penthouse for a living? Is that what you do to pass the time between your litterbox cleanings? Come now, don’t be shy.” Priceless!

    Dana (f3e2a8)

  122. It is frustrating, isn’t it? You notice that threads’ topics never seem to turn to the person of aphrael (a liberal, just in case you didn’t know) or anyone who reads carefully, responds thoughtfully and doesn’t namecall. I wonder why that is? Hmmm….

    With respect, perhaps you’d get to talk more about issues if you actually seemed interested in, well, talking about issues, rather than 1) rushing through posts to make shots at others (aka “winning”) and 2) insulting others.

    I realize I’m probably talking into the wind. But it’s up to you really; you get treated how you treat others, and how you train people to see you.

    I’ve given that a try. I have definitely spent more than an hour on a number of posts since I’ve come to this site. They’re ignored uniformly. So I keep things brief now. Most of what I’ve say I’ve said over and over again, to this same cast of weirdos.

    Levi (74ca1f)

  123. to this same cast of weirdos.

    Comment by Levi — 7/15/2008 @ 3:05 pm

    *sigh*
    Ah well, can’t say I didn’t try.
    /Don Quixote

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  124. Most of what you’ve said over and over again, has been debunked over and over again, Levi.

    You just pretend that the “factual” basis for your many opinions has not been shown to be utterly false over and over again.

    This is your delusional behavior.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  125. Who cares? That doesn’t anything have to do with anything.

    Living life has to do with everything, from your background, to you politicial views, to your own history.

    I.E. If you can’t realize that somebody who was your age in the 60’s or whenever, will have vastly more knowledge, experiences, or reasons for their own views. For instance, a “democrat” of the 60’s would pretty much be a “republican” today, as sad as that is. To each to his or her own.

    G (722480)

  126. no one you know – Though your intentions were good, it is futile. I have had morning-after Taco Bell shits with more functioning grey matter than the mendoucheous Wrangler.

    JD (5f0e11)

  127. I smell a trustafarian, folks.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  128. Earlier, Levi wrote: “I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?

    Absolutely. Because this ‘father in the military’ never existed.

    qdpsteve (cd214a)

  129. I think the cover was brilliant in many ways.

    I know that it wasn’t aimed at Obama, but at the most conservative of Americans that believe for some reason he’s a Muslim and wants to see America burn.

    It depicts the most conservative of viewpoints in a way that not only underlines, but boldens the ludicrosity of some of the words flung around in the most fundamentalist of circles.

    It seems to me that this propaganda will not only boost Obama’s power but will strengthen American’s trust in him.

    He handled some horribly bad press with style, brushed it off like it was nothing. There are bigger fish to fry than one’s public appearance.

    This is proof that Obama is a perfect presidential canidate.

    FG (552795)

  130. Q: “I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?”

    A: John McCain. But I don’t think he usually “boasts” about.

    kaf (4e9c93)

  131. “Priceless!”

    Thanks, Dana – and it’s good to see your posts once again. But I fear you’re wasting your time in attempting to be polite to an individual who obviously suffers from Tourette’s Syndrome. Pity the poor, misguided malaprop – spewer, if you can.

    Dmac (416471)

  132. FG, put down the bong.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  133. Levi’s response was entirely predictable – yet another overgrown adolescent attempting to fence with actual adults, but apparently suffering from the after – effects of too many Giant Slurpees and Cheetos – encrusted knuckles. He’s like the Simpson’s Comic Book Guy – but without the wit.

    “Dana is terribly, terribly sensitive, Levi. Many “Conservatives” are. It’s their version of “playing the victim card.”

    So sayeth the Queen Diva of playing the Black/Gay victim card 24/7. Queenie, this one’s for you!

    Dmac (416471)

  134. For his daily Media Notes blog, Kurtz reports political coverage by newspapers across the country, thus surely can be excused for missing what commenters are saying on any newspaper’s Web site. I see him playing it down the middle, both on his blog and Sunday morning “Reliable Sources” program on CNN. He’s often criticized Obama, and, hey, the guy’s wife is — or at least was — working in the McCain campaign.
    He hasn’t written his blog lately, so maybe he missed Patterico’s e-mail while taking vacation time. I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

    James Fulton (00817e)

  135. ““Dana is terribly, terribly sensitive, Levi. Many “Conservatives” are. It’s their version of “playing the victim card.”

    Gee David Ehrenstein, you followed me here too? I keep telling you I’m a happily married woman. Sorry, big boy.

    Dana (f3e2a8)

  136. He just can’t quit you, Dana – must be a Drama Critic/Obsessive thing. Either that, or his life must truly be as pathetic as previously suspected.

    Dmac (416471)

  137. My god, Dave Surls, do you realize how totally unhinged you sound?

    Some might reasonably argue that it’s hard-core right-wingers — Helms, Limbaugh, Coulter, Cheney, Malkin, Savage, DeLay, Inhofe, Gramm, the Bush Crime Family, etc. etc. — who are the scum of the earth.

    Whatever …

    ProudLiberal (ac8aad)

  138. “Proud” ( is that like how a infected toenail is sometimes called “proud” ? ), the clue to a “wingnut” are phrases like “Bush Crime Family”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  139. Do you disagree with that label, SPQR? “Bush Crime Family”?

    Can you dispute that it’s true? Reaching all the way back to Bush’s grandfather, who aided and abetted the Nazis?

    ProudLiberal (ac8aad)

  140. ProudLiberal, that’s another lie on your part. I guess “Proud” does have that alternate meaning of infected in your case.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  141. Dmac,
    I’m only an ordinary commenter here in Patterico’s blogiverse, shorn of the deitylike powers I have on the Festering Swamp. But if it means anything, I can verify that Dana was one of TFS’ top quality commenters, and has done absolutely nothing to deserve David E.’s abuse.

    Bradley J. Fikes (0019fe)

  142. Its just bizarre how the same trolls repeatedly post the same long-discredited hoaxes.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  143. Bradley, we all know how you feel – no explanation is necessary.

    Dmac (416471)

  144. Levi #105,

    I wonder, can anyone boast of a father in the military that holds a higher rank than that of mine?

    I believe you said your father is a Colonel. My father was also a Colonel.

    DRJ (92ca6f)

  145. No, Lieutenant Colonel.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  146. You’re right, SPQR. It seems I promoted Levi’s father but whatever his rank, many thanks to him for his service.

    DRJ (92ca6f)

  147. stop letting that little troll hijack threads. he should be banned since he never i any way tries to contribute. its just putrid vitriol. however, he yanked the whell and pulled the thread way off into the ditch.

    chas (12a229)

  148. Don’t look at me, DRJ, my father would say that he “worked for a living”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  149. SPQR,

    If you mean your father was enlisted, my father would agree with you. That is and always has been what makes the US military the success it is.

    DRJ (92ca6f)

  150. “…Bush’s grandfather, who aided and abetted the Nazis?”

    No he didn’t. That’s a total lie…like pretty much everything that comes out of the mouths of proud liberals.

    The guy who “aided and abetted the Nazis” was an ultra-rich liberal Democrat by the name of William Averell Harriman, who not only “aided and abetted the Nazis”, but he did it while he was holding key positions in the Roosevelt administration.

    Prescott Bush was an employee of Harrimans.

    So, if you have a problem with what Harriman did, you should really take that up with proud liberals, not with the Bush family.

    Dave Surls (3abe69)

  151. “My god, Dave Surls, do you realize how totally unhinged you sound?”

    If despising left wing traitors, and Democrat slaveowners makes me unhinged, then I’m glad to be nuts.

    Dave Surls (3abe69)

  152. JFK’s father also admired Adolf Hitler. In fact, the German/Nazi Ambassador to the UK described Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr., as Germany’s best friend in London.

    DRJ (92ca6f)

  153. “Gee David Ehrenstein, you followed me here too? I keep telling you I’m a happily married woman.”

    If you’re a woman, I don’t think you need to worry too much.

    Dave Surls (3abe69)

  154. College is retarded, I haven’t learned nearly as much from that pyramid scheme as I have from the internet and watching our joke of a media on the television.

    Right. You haven’t learned anything in college, therefore, it must be the college that’s retarded. Uh-huh.

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  155. “Look Republicans, if you guys are going to start wars that get thousands of American kids”

    I have not seen a report from Iraq yet (not saying there is one) the has any American kids killed in it.

    Check the roll call on Congress’ vote for the war; I didn’t realize we had such a super-majority on the Republican side (with tons of them hiding slyly behind D’s)

    Levi: your next intelligent comment will be your first

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  156. Lord Nazh wrote: I have not seen a report from Iraq yet (not saying there is one) the has any American kids killed in it.

    But, but, but…I saw a MoveOn.org commercial where John McCain is threatening to send an adorable little boy named Alex to Iraq to fight his 100-year war!

    MoveOn.org wouldn’t lie to us, would it?

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  157. Democrats get us into wars, many tens of thousands killed. Republicans “start wars”, a few thousands killed.

    Guess that means we are better off by Republicans, using Levi’s moronic calculus.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  158. Levi: “College is retarded…”

    College: “Levi is retarded.”

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  159. 158, L.N., Ronald Reagan said we are given the sacred right to be stupid by the Constitution, but that boy, Levi, is abusing that right.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  160. MoveOn.org wouldn’t lie to us, would it?

    Comment by L.N. Smithee — 7/16/2008 @ 11:57 am

    You got me there Smithee, can’t argue with that :)

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  161. Seeing as I’m getting awfully irritated by Levi as well, why don’t we derail his hatefest a bit? I’ll do dmac’s little questionnaire as well.

    – How old are you (and not in dog years, please);

    28 (well, this Nov anyways)

    – what do you do for a living;

    Conference producer at a 10,000-strong MNC. Basically, I surf the ‘Net, make phone calls and attend meetings. Oh, and do some paperwork.

    – are you married, or have any meaningful relationship with what one could call the opposite sex (or same sex, no problemo);

    Regretfully, no. I’m working on it, though, sort of. And it would be opposite sex by preference/choice, since I’d like kids at some point.

    – where do you live;

    KL, Malaysia

    – how much (approximately) do you pay in taxes annually;

    >USD .2k ~MYR 5XX. Our taxes are way, way, way lower than yours, heh heh. No welfare state, you see, just universal ‘free’ education and healthcare. Shitty, shitty healthcare but that doesn’t bother me much since I’ve got insurance coverage.

    – are you college educated

    Yes. B.Com (Mktg), fwiw.

    Gregory (f7735e)

  162. To attack anyone via obit is disgusting. That an organization that is as supposedly upstanding as the AP would do so, in an obviously partisan manner, is unforgivable. Freedom of the press comes with the responsibility to conduct oneself with dignity and to have dignity for the deceased.

    Terry Sublett (95f89d)


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