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7/9/2008

Jesse Jackson: I Want to Cut Obama’s Nuts Off

Filed under: Race — Patterico @ 5:55 pm



Jesse Jackson says that Barack Obama has been “talking down to black people” and helpfully adds: “I want to cut his nuts off.”

According to CNN, Jackson

didn’t elaborate on the context of his remarks, except to say he was trying to explain that Obama was hurting his relationship with black voters by recently conducting “moral” lectures at African-American churches.

Jackson is probably referring to speeches like the one Obama gave at a church in Chicago, in which he said things like this:

Too many fathers are MIA. Too many fathers are AWOL. They’ve abandoned their responsibilities. They’re acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our family have suffered because of it. You and I know this is true everywhere, but nowhere is it more true than in the African-American community.

I’ve heard some audio from that speech. Obama properly noted that there has been a history of racial injustice in this country, and that this history is part of the reason for the breakdown of the family in black America. Obama added, however, that black people can’t keep using that as an excuse. He also said:

We need fathers to recognize their responsibility doesn’t just end at conception. Any fool can have a child. It’s the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.

Jackson might have taken such remarks personally, given that he had to announce in 1999 that he had had an out-of-wedlock child.

Ironically, the fullest transcript I found of Obama’s speech was at Rush Limbaugh’s site. (It was a quick search; if you find a better source, let me know.) From what I can tell, Obama predictably offers some tired liberal solutions to the problem.

Still, it’s wonderful that he said these things. America has been waiting for years for a politician to say this in a non-racist way — a way that fully acknowledges this country’s history of racial prejudice, but also insists that black Americans move beyond it and take responsibility for their families. It probably did take a black politician to say that. That he said it is a very good thing.

Conservatives should applaud Obama’s words, and resist the urge to reflexively find glee in the spectacle of a public figure like Jackson bashing Obama in such a vulgar way.

I oppose Obama because I don’t like what much of what he stands for. But on this issue, in the language I quote above, he’s right. Jesse Jackson represents the tired old way, and Barack Obama represents the new way. And in this area, it truly is a welcome message of change.

149 Responses to “Jesse Jackson: I Want to Cut Obama’s Nuts Off”

  1. All good, and paraphrasing Bill Cosby’s advice from a few years ago.

    Still, the $50m allotment for better dads is troubling. It doesn’t fit this vote-getting bootstraps mentality. Can he give us more backbone talk ? (…and should he ? )

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  2. I love how Al $harpton is spinning this as a “hot mike” accident.

    IOW, if the mike hadn’t been hot, and no one had heard the words, there would be no need for an apology. And no need to regret the words said in secret.

    But that is an apology…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  3. I love how Andrew Sullivan and others are spinning this as Obama’s “Sista Souljah” moment, handed to him by none other than Bill O’Reilly.

    Those Kool-Aid drinkers see a silver lining in everything.

    Frankly, I can’t think of a segment of the voting public that’s going to be motivated by much of anything when it comes to Jesse Jackson.

    WLS (68fd1f)

  4. How can Jesse cut off something Obama clearly does not have? Cajones that is.

    PCD (2c6aa6)

  5. I oppose Obama because I don’t like what much of what he stands for. But on this issue, in the language I quote above, he’s right. Jesse Jackson represents the tired old way, and Barack Obama represents the new way. And in this area, it truly is a welcome message of change.
    This is why we love and respect Patterico. Right there. Those words. Can we all follow this noble example? Anyone?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  6. “reflexively find glee in the spectacle of a public figure like Jackson bashing Obama in such a vulgar way.”

    The only conservative who will find glee in this, and hammer us to death with it, will be Hannity. No question about it.

    I’m curious what Jackson has against Obama – does he believe he’s airing dirty laundry outside of the community, does he think Obama is being (forgive the expression, it feels crass using it) too white? What provoked him so much to give voice to these thought? Threatening to cut off a body part is not a mild reaction – its seems rather extreme.

    Dana (764cb2)

  7. Playing Sistah Soulja ?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  8. I’m curious what Jackson has against Obama…

    I would attribute much of Jackson’s pathetic venom to simple envy/jealousy.

    Old Coot (cb828a)

  9. This whole thing was set up. This is Jesse handing Obama his Sister Souljah moment- without any risk to Barack because Jesse is attacking him. Now we’ll see Obama absolve himself of 20 years in the pews of Rev Wright’s hate mongering by admonishing Jesse, while at the same time forgiving him. You’ve been had, Patterico- big time. C’mon. do you think Jesse is stupid. He’s at FOX NEWS- that’s right FOX NEWS- in front of cameras with a slew of mikes around him. And it’s at this particular moment, old Jesse decides to diss Obama? My god, he’s actually speaking in a stage whisper!

    jimboster (364ef3)

  10. I think JJ spoke for some intelligent black men when he challenges Obama on his talking down to African-American men. Would he give the same speech to whites and tell them to stop wanting to be rockers? I don’t think so! African American men aren’t the only ones who are in prison, having children out of wedlock or on welfare. I think that Obama thinks that he can just say anything to African Americans and still get their vote and that’s the point JJ was really trying to make. Obama really spoke the same words that Bill Cosby said in a speech years ago that got him ridiculed. All African American men aren’t criminals, deadbeat Dads or on drugs, so he can take those speeches to the prisons, to the welfare offices and to the street corners or wherever these people hang out?
    People are making a big deal out of JJ wanting Obamas testicles, but what JJ said was right on point. If Imus had said this to an audience, like Obama did, we’d be asking him to drop out the race. So while all these people are defending Obama, you need to really hear his speech he gave and ask him for an apology.

    JaiC (895256)

  11. #6
    Threatening to cut off a body part is not a mild reaction – its seems rather extreme.
    I agree Dana. But was he speaking figuratively? Was he talking about castrating Obama politically? Is he talking about emasculating Obama by turning the African Africans against him? Does he possess such influence? First I think that threat is something Obama should take seriously. Thank God for hot mikes. Like Drumwaster (at #2 )rightly pointed out, is he apologising because those comments were picked up? Would he have apologised if it wasnt picked up by the hot mike? Obama would be a fool to trust Jesse Jackson after this.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  12. #2 – Drumwaster

    [According to Sharpton] if the mike hadn’t been hot, and no one had heard the words, there would be no need for an apology.

    — Put another way: If a civil rights leader in the woods calls the first viable African American presidential candidate an “Uncle Tom”, and there’s no one around to hear it, does he owe that candidate — and the African American community — and the American people at large — an apology?

    Here’s another question: Will Jesse Jackson have the cajones to admit that this is partly jealousy and sour grapes over his own failed runs for the presidency?

    Icy Truth (7d3d6d)

  13. Err, how does a history of racial injustice result in the breakdown of the family?

    nk (4212e6)

  14. nk, it’s a tough issue to discuss. I think welfare is primarily responsible, but you can factor in poverty and prejudice pretty easily. I don’t really have time to elaborate.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  15. I have never thought that Jackson was a fan of Obama. Never. And for a number of reasons:
    Jackson doesn’t like anyone taking his limelight. He has has a monopoly on it for so long and basically, anyone with two grey cells bumbing together knows that Sharpton doesn’t have the clout of Jackson. Nor have the shakedown skills.

    Also, Jackson has made his fortune by shaking down companies using “white guilt” (to quote Shelby Steele). He knows that Obama will have no such “guilt” if he is elected. Also, it will put pretty much an end to the concept that America is as “racist” as ever. Obama will have to walk a fine line not to be judged as having an “affirmative action” administration and not appearing to pander to one segment of our society over another (although some of the bills Obama has authored clearly do that).

    The day that Obama is sworn in will be the day that Jackson loses his job. Jackson knows that.

    retire05 (666dbf)

  16. I think the theories that this was a set-up are overly conspiratorial.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  17. Je$$e Jack$on is now claiming that he was caught in a “sting” with the hot mike…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  18. The cause of the disintegration of the Black family was not racism. The cause was the radical and secular Black Power and Black Nationalism movement of the 1960s which turned the Black community away the Black bourgeois family as a social model. These radical Black movements excoriated the “mainstreaming” Black middle class as imitating the white middle class. I have dealt with this issue in a number of articles, most recently, this one:
    http://shroudedindoubt.typepad.com/bodyparts/2008/06/fathers-father.html

    Turin (d13465)

  19. I think the theories that this was a set-up are overly conspiratorial.

    Obama needs to take the heat off and change topics on several headlines lately, not just one. I think the kids’ ridiculous ‘appearance’ on Access Hollywood coupled with the plane’s what, malfunction the other day and now this Jesse Jackson fart on Fox News could very well be purposeful diversions . . .

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  20. To amend my comment at #19. His whole social program superbill doesn’t point up to any of the responsibility he’s trotting out now. Icy Truth outlined the rewrite of that Fathers bill: a collective gov’t-sponsored IOU ‘we’re-here-to-help’ deal.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  21. Yeah… How is Je$$e Jack$on’s desire to cut off Obama’s nuts going to put fruit on Michelle’s table?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  22. #13
    Err, how does a history of racial injustice result in the breakdown of the family?
    I will attempt to answer that NK. First there was the slave trade. Then there was the abolishment. Then it resurfaced as racism and xenophobia. Then out of a need to prove a point, that blacks were not inferior to whites, black people struggled against the odds to make a mark in every way possible. This led to a drop in poverty levels between 1940 and 1960 among the blacks. Then came affirmative action. This led to most black people expecting to be treated differently because they were black. Because of the quota system that compelled favouritism towards people of color.
    It also serves to encourage public institutions such as universities, hospitals and police forces to be more representative of the population[1].

    This is commonly achieved through targeted recruitment programs aimed at applicants from socio-politically disadvantaged groups. In some cases affirmative action involves giving preferential treatment to these groups
    Consequently some african american men became lazy and irresponsible. Always using their color as leverage, they appeal to your white guiltyness to get their way in life and if they dont get it, they cry “racism”. With time fathers became failures leading to a breakdown in the family. There Nk, thats your answer.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  23. Jesse is right. Obama is throwing the two most trusted Democrat voting blocks, gays and blacks, under the bus with this talk of Republican stuff like “family” and “morals”. It’s extremely insulting to the most faithful Democrats and Jackson recognizes that.

    j curtis (c84b9e)

  24. One “conspiracy” you could reasonably allege is that FOX deliberately left his mike “hot” in order to catch him saying something controversial in an unguarded moment . . . and he obliged them, because he can’t help himself.

    Icy Truth (7d3d6d)

  25. I think the theories that this was a set-up are overly conspiratorial. Yeah, Jesse Jackson is at Fox News in front of a slew of cameras and microphones and he decides this is the best moment to slam Obama in a stage whisper. To be honest, if I was dumb enough to fall for it and write some sanctimonious dribble, I’d keep my fingers crossed and hope it was real, too. Patterico, you should be ashamed you don’t have the courage to admit you might have been had- cause you were!

    jimboster (364ef3)

  26. ^ yeah, but jimbo with politics… who’s zooming who ?

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  27. I’d keep my fingers crossed and hope it was real, too.

    Hey, dimbulb, Je$$e Jack$on himself has admitted that it was real, and even apologized for saying it.

    So I think Patterico’s on a pretty solid basis to act as though it were real, and you are acting like a halfwit pretending that it didn’t really happen.

    Like the little boy who screws up his eyes, jams his fingers in his ears and starts shouting, “LALALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALALALA!” And just as effectively, too.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  28. No, I do not accept love2008’s “explanation” in his comment 22.

    nk (4212e6)

  29. Look, the forum’s set up to dissect and discuss. Nice that Patterico pays the electric bill and keeps things interesting.

    That said, I do not trust Jesse Jackson’s claims, statements, motives or methods. (Remember, he was the one who “cradled MLK’s head while he was dying.” Nice image, but as Kenneth Timmerman proved in his Shakedown book… false. Never happened.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  30. #28
    No, I do not accept love2008’s “explanation” in his comment 22.
    Sorry. What dont you accept NK? Care to share your view point?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  31. I think the “explanation” is closer to Marx and Engels. An underclass does not adopt or follow “bourgeois” values.

    It’s a way of thinking.

    But the elephant in the room is still “why must it remain an underclass”?

    I understand these things: Daddy not being able to get hired in Mississippi and having to come to Chicago where he still does not make enough money to take his family out of Cabrini Green. Welfare programs that pay more when there is no father in the house.

    And there, I get stuck.

    nk (4212e6)

  32. You do know that there are white people on welfare and white fatherless children too, right?

    nk (4212e6)

  33. You forgot generational welfare (like the grandmother, mother and adult daughter who were on TV after Katrina, bemoaning the fact that they weren’t going to get their welfare checks on time).

    When young women are told that they will not only receive more money for being a single mom (while baby-daddy is living with his woman, enjoying the benefits, too), they will receive even more money for each child they have out-of-wedlock.

    Basic government carrot-and-stick: it taxes things that it wishes to discourage and subsidizes that which it wishes to encourage. This explains why successful citizens are taxed more heavily than not-as-successful and incredibly more than the not-at-all-successful, while sloth and carefree sex and “living together” is subsidized from tax dollars.

    But if said needy person is not “of color”, they will be turned down for aid outright. (My single mother raising the five of us after divorcing my dad was not eligible for those programs. You are welcome to draw your own conclusions as to why, but I remember her having to work three jobs.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  34. Want to know what purported civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakan, and the like are REALLY about? Try reading Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson’s book: ‘Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America’. NOTE: Rev. Peterson is black, and has the guts to call it like it is. He stated, way before Obama’s recent church speech, the truth that black men must own up to their parental responsibilities. Many of the problems in the black community are a direct cause of fathers that are absent the lives of the children they fathered. Statistics say at least 70% of all black children are born to single mothers. Is there something wrong with this picture? It’s hard enough to raise good kids with two good parents around. And then you get clowns like Jesse Jackson, who has the guts to call himself a reverend, takes advantage of poor blacks, by convincing them of their helplessness, and continued need for government handouts. After all, if blacks can get educated and do well for themselves, they won’t need Jesse or handouts. Hence, success for blacks equals Jesse’s livelihood gets cut off (and Democrats losing a HUGE part of their base. Democrats play Jesse’s game too, you see). Lastly, has anyone noticed how little the ‘reverend’ Jackson acts like a man of God? He has a child out of wedlock, and now says Obama should have his “nu*s cut off”. Reverend Peterson indicated Jesses Jackson and his “thugs” actually threatened him for speaking out against Jackson. What a moron… Obama does NOT need clowns like Jesse Jackson trying to help him in his bid for the Presidency. In my opinion, black leaders like Jesse Jackson fear Obama becoming President. You know why? It would show blacks can achieve anything – even the Presidency of the United States! And that would be devastating to the civil rights scammers!

    Rick Jordan (174929)

  35. #34
    In my opinion, black leaders like Jesse Jackson fear Obama becoming President. You know why? It would show blacks can achieve anything – even the Presidency of the United States! And that would be devastating to the civil rights scammers!
    Enter Rev. Wright. He sounded the first fire when he resurfaced to say Obama was doing what he had to do as a politician because Obama condemned his comments. I think it was this black liberation cartel that sent him to do that. Now Jesse has just been exposed. It’s getting very bad for some people.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  36. Shelby Steele said that white liberal guilt did what slavery and Jim Crow could not; destroy the black family.

    Richard Aubrey (fe2e5e)

  37. “But the elephant in the room is still “why must it remain an underclass”?”

    I don’t believe it has to. If it did how would one account for those who have broken out of the mold, overcome and known great success?

    Human nature seems naturally inclinced to take the easy way out whenever possible. And old habits die hard? Its far more difficult to accept responsibility for one’s choices and far easier to keep the blame assigned to those who willingly accept it (guilty white libs who assauge themselves by bearing this burden). Also, what is exampled at home is not easily combatted.

    My boss is a black woman who holds a doctorate. She grew up one of five sisters in South Texas living in a home w/no indoor plumbing, electricity and 5 miles from their neighbor. Her parents believed in self-sufficiency and declined all assistance instead opting to do any work available (and that meant anything) because they had five daughters they were determined to put through college, far surpassing their own 2nd grade educations.

    Today, all five sisters who grew up in the heyday of Jim Crow, segregation and experienced the almost unspeakable as they moved toward the goals their parents had for them, which in turn became their own, hold advanced degrees. Two are dentists, two are public school administrators, and one is the director of a private foundation.

    They came up against every obstacle known to the black community at the time plus all the historical weight but what they saw exampled at home and the high level of expectation far outweighed what society was telling them.

    There are too many success stories to think it has to remain status quo. I think more often than not, many dont’ want things to change.

    Dana (764cb2)

  38. I remember the question. Why is Hussein O called a black? He is more white than any of his other two races, the least of three being black. He talks down to blacks because he knows he’s not black and has only used ‘I’m black’ for the ‘goodies’ he could get by pretending to be black. It’s comical that Je$$ie is the first to notice or admit this. Actually Hussein O is a Heinz 57 of unadmitted races, not unlike the offspring of an alley cat, no marriage required.

    Scrapiron (d671ab)

  39. NK,

    Thomas Sowell’s book Black Rednecks and White Liberals melds the arguments made by you and love2008. Here’s a summary of the relevant part from a blog by J. H. Bowden:

    “In the first chapter, with copious documentation, Sowell argued that what we regard today as authentic American black culture actually goes back centuries to the lawless region between Scotland and England that populated much of the American South during the colonial period. Before the area in the old country was Anglicized, manliness and its assertion dominated this lawless region, along with improvidence, sexual promiscuity, violence against others when your honor was dissed, antipathy to labor, indifference to education, along with a particular mode of speaking. Sowell rigorously relied on historical sources, citing events like mob action preventing a boatload of undesirable Ulster Scots from entering Boston in 1719. Southerners, even though they had 40% of the nation’s cows, produced only 20% of the nation’s butter and 1% of the nation’s cheese; diligent German farmers in places like Wisconsin were incredibly more productive.”

    There’s more in the book and at the link. It also explains why the qualities identified here are observed in both the white and black populations. Sowell’s thesis is that the welfare state disrupted the development of the poor, rural, primarily Southern black and white populations and discouraged them from emulating the more successful German, Dutch, and Puritan communities.

    And FWIW, it’s not in the book review but in the book Sowell observes that this same wild Scots-rural English culture has produced men who are hard workers and loyal fathers, but that only occurred after the families and communities modified their culture to demand those qualities. They became the people Walter Russell Mead describes as Jacksonians.

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  40. Thank you, DRJ.

    nk (4212e6)

  41. Like I mentioned previously, DRJ may not be posting officially, but each comment is a potential mini-post. And this last one crossed into mini-post territory. Confession…I fast forward through the comments looking for “DRJ” before reading anything else. Not to denigrate anyone else whatsoever, she’s just an exceptional thinker that brings it most every time.

    allan (5d9c3d)

  42. “Reverends” Sharpton, Wright and Jackson: Time to for these foul mouth bigots to exit the stage.

    Perfect Sense (23c691)

  43. Conservatives should applaud Obama’s words, and resist the urge to reflexively find glee in the spectacle of a public figure like Jackson bashing Obama in such a vulgar way.

    On the other hand, gloating over the good Reverend’s self-inflicted Waterloo is good clean fun. In shooting his mouth off about cutting Obama’s nuts off, he sliced off his own more neatly than a master swordsman could have managed the task. It couldn’t happen to a nicer professional extortionist.

    Stuff like this does make Obama difficult to dislike: one has to appreciate the free entertainment he provides in goading certain people–first the Clintons, now Jackson–into self-immolation. McCain needs to watch himself, or he’ll be one of the casualties.

    M. Scott Eiland (a16843)

  44. Here’s a dot connection.

    Whites, generally, look at these race thieves like Jackson and Sharpton and question why the blacks, generally, fail to denounce them and rise up with real leaders.

    Liberals and Democrats look at how GOP presidents, generally, work with shitty leaders and countries (former Shah of Iran, Saddam) and wonder why favored dirtbags like that receive the benefits of being a friend of the USA.

    In each case, reprehensible conduct is ignored or rewarded, but a need for those in a relatively weak position, seem to at least get something.

    Ed (d17ceb)

  45. *needs are filled for those in a relatively weak position, who seem to at least get something.

    Aargh. Apologies.

    Ed (d17ceb)

  46. When did Jesse Jackson become relevant?!?!? His “use by” date has LONG since passed!!!

    DK (c0075a)

  47. If not me, who?

    If not now, when?

    If later, with a guy a lot better than me as a person, then I’ll want to cut his nuts off.

    –JRM

    JRM (355c21)

  48. It’s time for Reverend Jackson to resign! That’s exactly what he says when other people do similarly stupid things. Him and Al Sharpton are the first ones to go public and raise an uproar. Now, it’s Jesse’s turn to “reap what he sows” and step down out of the public spotlight!

    Tony (ea2381)

  49. #49
    If he does that Tony, he will die. He lives off of the spotlight. It is this very reason that he is lashing out at Obama. Obama is stealing his show. Soon people like him will lose relevance and that makes him scared. He is egocentric and myopic. He does not see beyond his superstar self. Its always about him. Obama is very bad news to the likes of Jackson, Wright, Sharpton. He is the new paradigm of blackness.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  50. He is the new paradigm of blackness.

    So “mixed race” is the new black?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  51. Jackson has been from Chicago for over 30 years; Obama there over 20. If Obama can NOT unite Chicago, how will he unite America? Same re Rev. Wright, Trinity United & Pastor Phleger. Further, community organizer Obama apparently did not do much – as the recent proliferation of gang killings there evidences; these guys were babies when Obama started & now we see the product. Then most of the housing programs/projects Obama steered, are unhabitable & are being torn down. All connected to Obama’s relationship with Rezko & several current members on his campaign staff who walked away with $$$-million$.

    Gary L. Zerman (e03bb9)

  52. #51
    I am not talking about blackness as per pigmentation Drumwaster, I am talking about blackness as a race. You understand that, dont you?

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  53. love2008 – I thought we were all members of the human race.

    Racists.

    JD (75f5c3)

  54. #54
    Racist
    JD that is the greatest compliment I have ever received on this blog. Thank you so much.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  55. I do what I can 😉

    JD (75f5c3)

  56. My theory about absentee black fathers is the same as my theory about Fundamentalist Later Day Saints. A “chain of darkness” (not of skin but of thought) which enslaves generation after generation worse than iron chains. It exists among other whites too, the descendants of the border people DRJ referred to in her comment #39 and the jihad-monkeys we are now at war against, to name two.

    The people who can break that chain are the best parents in the world and they will be forever blessed.

    nk (a3a945)

  57. This is the heart of the black dilemma Nk. Being able to really break that chain. Question is, who will set the example for them? And are they really willing for change. You can force a horse to the river but you cant force it to drink water. The first step to change is desire and personal responsibility.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  58. I recommend public boarding schools which take the child away from its parents at, say, age eight and/or a universal draft at age eighteen for a two-year stint in the army.

    JD, call me a fascist.

    nk (a3a945)

  59. Hey, I’m just waiting for Obama’s trip to Germany and his immortal words:

    “I am a chocolate doughnut”

    “Ich bin ein schokolade Berliner”

    daleyrocks (24dba4)

  60. I would like to know what church Jesse Jackson is a reverend of and what religion allows a pastor to talk like that? He should immediately defrock himself and denut himself. He is one reason white people join the KKK!

    MS (9dc076)

  61. P.S. And you should not take a horse to the river to drink because it might drink so much that it will founder. You must be very careful when watering a horse.

    But you can make people drink. Just shove their heads in the toilet. They will either drink or drown.

    nk (a3a945)

  62. #59
    You mean like the Spartans? Gee that would be nice. Every American child would grow to be a reserve soldier, ready for recruiting at any moment. Like the Isrealis.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  63. #61
    Denut? Dont think so. I dont think he has any nuts left. Look at him, grovelling like a child caught with his pants down. He cant even stand by his own comments and defend it.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  64. All the hard-nosed conservatives here never seem to ask how it is that the man who runs this site manages to have so much time on his hands even though he is a full-time prosecutor paid by the government to put crooks in jail.

    M. Thomas (72183e)

  65. Thank you for that report on Mr. Pot “wasting time”, Mr. Kettle. We’ll get right around to that, as soon as we solve all of the other problems facing our society…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  66. We would probably not need a constitutional amendment. The Juvenile Court Acts have been passing muster. We would not need to change the substantive law, just the available dispositions. If the child is neglected and dependent on state support, he goes into full state support.

    And the draft has always been upheld. We might need to change the Uniform Code of Military Justice not to expel disobedient soldiers but instead to transfer them to punitive batallions. Digging ditches and such.

    nk (a3a945)

  67. #62
    But you can make people drink. Just shove their heads in the toilet. They will either drink or drown.
    Your case is hopeless NK. You are a fascist, red-necked, homophobic, racist, bible thumping and gun clinging despot! But I like it. :)

    love2008 (1b037c)

  68. You guys do realize how bad talking about castrating a black man is, right? It might take a few days to sink in but Jesse Jackson is going to start looking like Jesse Helms to a lot of people.

    nk (a3a945)

  69. M. Thomas: Nice try at diversion bait. Now get back to your own job, troll.

    L.N. Smithee (ecc5a5)

  70. And the draft has always been upheld.

    As Constitutional, maybe, but the last time it was offered in the House as enabling legislation, even its sponsor (Charles Rangel) didn’t vote in favor! It was shot down something like 402-2.

    Only two Congressmen – Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., and Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif. – actually voted in favor of restoring the draft.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  71. Some of you neocon clowns really need to be chastised for the way you throw around un-pc words and racial innuendoes. Now, how nice is it to use terms like “schokolade Berliner” in reference to Herr Urkel?

    Don’t you realize that you are inflicting pain on others? M. Malkin explains that Dallas Co. commish Price thinks use of a scientific term such as black hole is racist. Add that to angel’s food cake, devil’s food cake, black sheep and other denigrating terms for our culture of victimhood and racial hypersensitivity. You’ve been warned- lay off the verboten terms or I shall summon the pcwp (politically correct wolf pack)! And I wondered whatever happened to the lwp that used to defend gays online (lavender wolf pack).

    madmax333 (723029)

  72. As far as PC goes, this is how much I care:

    The African village chief approaches Albert Schweitzer and tells him, “Doc, you came here to help us and you have done a lot for our village. And I am grateful. But, yesterday, a white child was born to a black woman and a black father. Doc, how is that possible?”

    Albert Schweitzer wonders how to explain a genetic change that causes albinism. He points to a flock of sheep and says: “Chief, do you see that black lamb? The ewe was white. The ram was white. How come the lamb is black?”

    And the chief says, “Ok, doc. You don’t tell, I don’t tell.”

    nk (a3a945)

  73. MS wrote: I would like to know what church Jesse Jackson is a reverend of and what religion allows a pastor to talk like that? He should immediately defrock himself and denut himself. He is one reason white people join the KKK!

    Not true. White people join the KKK because they’re isolated, ignorant losers who have had hate instilled into them at an early age.

    Prejudice is one thing. Joining a paramilitary pseudo-Christian cult that tilts at windmills is something completely different.

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  74. White people join the KKK because they’re isolated, ignorant losers who have had hate instilled into them at an early age.

    Thankfully, there are are only a handful of the morons and most of them are in prisons.

    nk (a3a945)

  75. #74
    I agree LN, that was way off topic and inexcusable.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  76. max – I condemn myself.

    Jetstream Jesse has a business to run and feels threatened by Obama as do the other race pimps such as Sharpton, the mainstays of the democrat party voice for blacks.

    He’s just embarrassed he got caught by a live mike.

    daleyrocks (24dba4)

  77. Since Obama more or less blew what Jackson said away. What would he have done if #1. If a member of Mcains people said it and #2. How do you think Obama and the public would react if the person that said it was not and African-American. I think Jackson meant every word of it, but now that it got out is trying to back-pedal.

    Jim Fay (ef2860)

  78. Had to chuckle when Jesse was outed for knocking up a staff member while he was “counseling” BJ Clinton about Monica’s fellatio. One wonders what the topic of conversation was really about. There were rumors about Hillary and her hot young Muslim aide, but then we heard a media type was following the girl about wooing her.
    I’m more miffed to hear that so-called black conservatives are smitten by Obama because he will do more for the black race.

    madmax333 (a9a580)

  79. Jesse Jackson has special status which no sane American can defend. He said what no white man could say, which proves we’re past the real era of racism. Now we have to work on reverse racism. Jesse just got away with another goof cause he’s a black American. AND THAT AIN’ T RIGHT.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  80. That Republicans can chatter like this in this context is just bizarre. How you expect to be taken seriously is beyond me. The generosity and noblesse oblige of racists. No other description make sense.

    “When Carol Moseley-Braun of Illinois became the first African-American woman to sit in the Senate, Helms followed Moseley-Braun into an elevator, announcing to Utah Senator Orrin Hatch: “Watch me make her cry. I’m going to make her cry. I’m going to sing ‘Dixie’ until she cries.”
    Then, emphasizing the lines about how “good” things were before the Civil War ended slavery, Helms sang “Dixie.””

    And another:
    “His disdain for people of color (exemplified by his “humorous” habit, in private, of referring to any black person as “Fred”) continues to find ways of expressing itself. He is the Senate’s most reliable opponent of any measure aimed at securing the rights or improving the conditions of African-Americans. In 1994, when Nelson Mandela visited the Capitol, Helms ostentatiously turned his back on him.”

    “Helms’s most racist comments (including some cited by TBogg) were made while he was a Democrat.”
    That’s simply not true. And I think you knew that, even if your readers don’t. As with cutting off the comments on the absurd Yellowcake thread and WLS’ elisions from on high, your main interest is in stirring up the base. Enlightened discourse it ain’t.

    JAR (9c32c0)

  81. JAR,

    Jesse Helms, as Chairman of the Foreign Relations Coimmitte, could have tabled Carol Moseley Braun’s nomination for ambassador forever. As the Democrats have done to President Bush’s judicial nominees. He could have also done just by the exercise of Senatorial privilege just as Barack Don’-Be-Lookin’-Into-My-Campaign-Finance Obama has done it with the two pending nominees of the FCC. Instead he gave her an up and down vote on the Senate floor even though he voted against her.

    You do know that Carol Moseley Braun was the proto-Barack-Mayor-Daley-Has-Me-By-The-Balls Obama, don’t you, BTW. She was a totally owned Chicago Machine hack whose finest moment was when she tried to restart the Civil War.

    nk (a3a945)

  82. What does political hackery have to do with it, am I calling Helms a hack? They’re all hacks. But Helms was scum, and there’s a whole category of posts here under that name. Helms should be listed, but he isn’t. For Patrick Frey to sound off high and mighty on negro morality…
    is frankly obscene.

    JAR (9c32c0)

  83. negro morality? Negro Morality? And you accuse Patrick Frey of being high and mighty? And you are the judge of what constitutes enlightened discourse?

    Ugh.

    Dana (aec96d)

  84. I thought the scare quotes were implicit. Serves me right. I’m not used to commenting on blogs like this one.

    JAR (9c32c0)

  85. It wasn’t the lack of scare quotes. It was the words themselves.

    Well done. I knew the racism would show itself sooner or later – you wouldn’t be able to help yourself.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  86. I thought the scare quotes were implicit. Serves me right. I’m not used to commenting on blogs like this one.

    Comment by JAR — 7/10/2008 @ 4:13 pm

    This is the best blog you will ever comment on. Want to make the effort to come out of the gutter?

    nk (6a0113)

  87. Nice try, Drumbum.
    I’m done with this one now.

    JAR (9c32c0)

  88. JAR wrote: I’m done with this one now.

    I hope you mean it, and good riddance. Lately, we’ve had more trolls around here than a LOTR fan convention.

    L.N. Smithee (ecc5a5)

  89. I meant the post actually, not the blog…
    just to be clear.

    JAR (9c32c0)

  90. Why cant black people be called negros? What is racist about that? Negro basically means “black”. The over sensitivity is becoming silly.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  91. JAR, we’ll never miss you if you don’t leave.

    L.N. Smithee (ecc5a5)

  92. sorry to spoil the party but I agree with m. Thomas: has pfrey’s computer at the DA’s office been audited to insure he’s not working on his blog on the taxpayer’s dime?

    nurse ratched (d2c14b)

  93. Negro basically means “black”.

    This from the person who kept using “African-American” as a synonym? Are you not essentially arguing that “Negro” = “African-American”?

    Why is there such an aversion to actually using the word “black”? And they aren’t even ‘black’ fercrissake…

    To quote The Clauricane speaking to Tanya Latimer: “I traveled the world in me youth, and I noticed yez mocha, mahogany, chestnut and cocoa… ochre and umber and amber and gold … coffee with cream, coffee with milk, coffee with nothing more than Tullamore Dew… amber and anatase, russet and chocolate … both the siennas, the burnt and the raw, hazel and sepia, several more… an’ never a black man or woman I saw. Most perishin’ colorful people on Earth, and ‘black’ is the word for absence of color! … By old Balor’s bumbershoot, what made yez claim yez a name you can’t wear, even on the outside?”

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  94. sorry to spoil the party but I agree with m. Thomas:

    Sockpuppet alert.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  95. Why cant black people be called negros? What is racist about that? Negro basically means “black”. The over sensitivity is becoming silly.

    Comment by love2008 — 7/10/2008 @ 4:56 pm

    Ok, you’re an asshole who will never get another serious reply from me again.

    nk (6a0113)

  96. Jar, I think you know this: Jesse Jackson is no less racist than Jesse Holms. No one takes credit for their verbal smears and racial biases but the men themselves.

    One is deceased, and you chose to do a laundry-list of horrid comments. Obituaries and public notices just aren’t the place to politicize your views.

    Maybe the integrity here directed at both sides is simply beyond your blogging skills.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  97. #96
    Now you are being very sensitive NK.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  98. And don’t let the p.c.police catch you using the word niggardly either. Even though it has nothing to do with blacks and everything to do with how niggardly some conservative want to be when it comes to paying taxes for “the children” and “the war vets”. Where did this PC crap originate and why does anyone in their right mind cater to it?

    Just got done talking to a Jewish moonbat I know who is smitten by Obama’s allure. Seems NPR enlightened her that social security “crisis” was entirely fabricated by evil Dubya to make people clamor for own separate ss acounts outside of fed gummint. Thinks Bush should be hanged on 1/22/09.
    And my taxes support that bs npr, nea and pbs.

    madmax333 (fcea5a)

  99. #91 – love2008

    Why cant black people be called negros? What is racist about that? Negro basically means “black”. The over sensitivity is becoming silly.

    — 1) ‘Negro’ is capitalized; 2) The plural is ‘Negroes’ with an “e”; 3) If a term is considered offensive by a significant percentage of the group to whom it is directed, and if a significant percentage of the people who utter the term do so in a derisive manner . . . and if we can agree that sometimes being ‘politically correct’ just means showing basic human respect to our fellow man (we don’t call Native Americans ‘redskins’ anymore; we don’t call Orientals ‘yellows'; we don’t call brown people ‘browns’), then it doesn’t seem unreasonable to call a specific group by the name (or group label) that THEY prefer.

    Of course, all things being equal, if you wish we can all refer to you as a ‘Blanco’ from now on.

    Icy Truth (2d1b3b)

  100. #100
    I understand that Icy Truth, what I dont get is why its been outlawed as a taboo word. And why is everyone getting all so worked up about it? Black is black, white is white. Period. And when you say “Blanco” do you mean the mexican footballer?

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  101. love2008,

    That’s the same question the UNCF struggled with as discussed in a Diversity, Inc., article entitled “Is Negro a Bad Word?”:

    “Words such as “colored” and “negro” are products of a bygone era. They are archaic and considered by some to be derogatory. But civil-rights organizations like the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and United Negro College Fund (UNCF) are in a quandary. Do they change the names of their historic institutions to modernize? Or do they cling to the past at the risk of alienating a younger generation?”

    More at the link.

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  102. According to this LA Times’ article, Jesse Jackson said other “damaging” things about Obama but Fox hasn’t decided whether to air them.

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  103. nk

    I haven’t made up my mind if lovey is just dense, or totally naive. Don’t be too harsh.

    Buckshot (0b6d26)

  104. love2008,

    I agree with you that sometimes we go too far with political correctness. For example, a Dallas County (TX) Commissioner thinks the words “black hole,” “angel food cake,” and “devil’s food cake” are racist terms.

    Allan #42,

    Thank you for a wonderful compliment. I don’t deserve it but that won’t stop me from enjoying it!

    DRJ (cfa65f)

  105. DRJ, per O’Reilly tonight, they will not air the other inflammatory portion of Jackson’s statement because it isn’t relevant.

    Dana (aec96d)

  106. “Blanco” is the Spanish word for ‘white’ or ‘white person'; just as “Negro” is the Spanish word for ‘black’ or ‘dark-skinned person’.

    And sure, when I said we could refer to you as “a Blanco” I meant that you are of the same personality type as — or play futbol with similar skill and style to — the Mexican footballer.

    Icy Truth (2d1b3b)

  107. #105
    Thanks DRJ. As always I can always rely on you to be “DRJ”. The Queen of hearts.
    Some people just find personal redemption in not using the “N” word as if that alone takes away the racism that lies in them. There is nothing in a name. It’s how you treat people that matters. Do you really love them? Do you care? The “N” word is not the issue, it is the attitude. So all this fuss really amuses me. There is nothing wrong in calling a black person a negro or anything, as long as you treat them as equal human beings, with love, respect and dignity. I agree it is archaic but not derogatory.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  108. Well….with respect, I submit that part of treating people with “love, respect and dignity” is to defer to that which they wish to be called. And if I don’t happen to agree with the reason that African Americans don’t wish to be called “Negroes” any longer (actually I do agree with it; I’m just saying for the sake of argument) then by golly I’m going to call them what they like to be called (as long as it’s not inaccurate, e.g. for an American of African descent, African American is accurate.)

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  109. Hmm, end of comment didn’t make it. It was: Deferring to another’s preferences is one of the BEST ways to show “love, respect and dignity” to them.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  110. This is amusing:
    “… Obama was hurting his relationship with black voters by recently conducting ‘moral’ lectures at African-American churches.”

    Morals at an African-American church? God forbid!

    Joe M. (b6d281)

  111. for an American of African descent, African American is accurate.

    How many generations is appropriate? And if they are really African Americans within any recent generation (say, not more than five generations back), how can they claim that their relatives were slaves here in America? And what about those who are not from African descent? (For instance, Colin Powell is referred to as “African American”, despite the fact that his family comes from Jamaica.)

    And why are we concentrating on something from more than fourteen decades ago? The Tea Pot Dome scandal was more recent. Hell, World War 1 was more than fifty years after slavery ended, yet no one is demanding that we continue to apologize for anything during that time period…

    LET IT GO.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  112. Deferring to another’s preferences is one of the BEST ways to show “love, respect and dignity” to them.

    You can call a chair a leg, too, but that doesn’t make it so. And why not just leave it at “American”? Isn’t our country good enough for ya? You gotta concentrate on who your ancestors were, rather than who your children can be?

    Pathetic.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  113. Well….I don’t recall equating calling anyone “African-American” with apologizing to anyone or tracking down their slave history. I’m talking about their national heritage. For example: I’m Irish-American. Actually I’m a mutt, but the biggest part of my ancestor tree comes from Ireland. It is accurate to call me Irish-American.

    Now, do you remember Surya Bonaly in the 1998 Olympics, when the figure skater announcers kept stumbling all over themselves referring to her as “African American” then taking it back or some such? She’s French and was skating for France at the time. For the same reason, Colin Powell isn’t really African American if his ancestry is Jamaican. (Wikipedia, amusingly, refers to him as both.)

    Guess I don’t see the harm in letting people have their preferences if they’re accurate. Most AAs in my experience see African-American and black as interchangeable terms; some much prefer African-American. (I work for a church in a primarily African-American populated area in my city, BTW, so I do get a chance to hear people’s preferences firsthand.)

    Had thought until recently that you couldn’t go wrong offending anyone with the latter term; then I encounter places like here where apparently that term is offensive too. *sigh* Can’t win fer losing.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  114. Most AAs in my experience see African-American and black as interchangeable terms;

    I would be willing to bet that the only way they would be “interchangeable” is that they are equally inaccurate.

    Words have meanings, just like actions have consequences. What is wrong with plain old “American”? Why the fixation on the long ago?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  115. Comment by Drumwaster — 7/10/2008 @ 8:01 pm

    My comment that you’re responding to was really intended for love2008, but…I call myself an “American.” I think of blacks/African Americans as “American.” Yes (smile) this country IS good enough for me, as you wouldn’t need to question if you’d seen me defending her (my country) on other threads lately. Anyway, my point was that on the occasions that race DOES come up or need to be discussed (not as often as the Democrats would have one think actually), some blacks really prefer the term African-American and some can go either way, what is the harm in allowing them an accurate title which they prefer, I guess has been my thinking.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  116. Comment by Drumwaster — 7/10/2008 @ 8:18 pm

    A good question. What have the black people you’ve asked told you in answer to that?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  117. no one you know – Am I showing the proper love and respect to MDPK if I call her by her choice, autistic, instead of the more accurate term of bugfucknuts ?

    JD (5f0e11)

  118. Comment by JD — 7/10/2008 @ 8:20 pm

    Actually isn’t it MDKP and not MDPK? :) Anyway, the question in that case is, is she autistic? Seems to be an open question over there on that thread. Anyway, I’d call her, um, “MDKP?” How’s that? :)

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  119. Anyway, my point was that on the occasions that race DOES come up

    Race = “Human”

    Sex = “Not often enough”

    What have the black people you’ve asked told you in answer to that?

    I usually get them to open their mouths to start talking, stop less than a syllable in, get a really thoughtful expression, and then change the subject. (And see comment # 94 as to why “black” is also inaccurate.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  120. 😉

    JD (5f0e11)

  121. (And see comment # 94 as to why “black” is also inaccurate.)

    Comment by Drumwaster — 7/10/2008 @ 8:23 pm

    Yes, I saw that comment earlier today and it’s awesome. Yet for shorthand we do use the terms “white and black” (I’m not really ‘white’ either I’m kinda pink-ey :) ) even though they are not technically true.

    African-American though, IS technically true, just as “Irish-American is technically true for me.

    I should say at this point that I really do hate all the emphasis on race in this country. For me, using the term African-American has been a way I guess to show respect for what those of another background have expressed they wish to be called. But you’re saying (I’m pretty sure) that using the term is itself harmful to “racial harmony” (whatever THAT is) by emphasizing the differences between people. And this is a good point. Have been blessed to work in a work environment for the last 20-odd years of great diversity – ethnically, ideologically, culturally – and working with people of all backgrounds all day long every day has made me very sensitive to “racial sensitivities” for lack of a better term. I agree you’re right on “race” (one) and “American” (we’re all) and this is how I think. But I work with people who have a history of family members being discriminated against (yes really) and their sensitivities deserve respect IMO. Not coddling. But respect.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  122. I guess that’s a long way of saying, after 20 odd years I’m still trying to find the right balance.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  123. Can’t we all just get along ?

    JD (5f0e11)

  124. Yet for shorthand we do use the terms “white and black”

    Whaddayamean “we”, paleface?

    (Bonus points for remembering the joke.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  125. Yes I do remember the joke. hahaha I like it, but not quiiiitte as much as that “Far Side” cartoon where the Lone Ranger finally stumbles on an Apache-English dictionary and finds out what “kemosabe” really means.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  126. There seems to be some hostility here to the perfectly reasonable question of how Patrick Frey runs this web site without it affecting his ability to perform his job as a prosecutor.

    Though it may be off-topic in this thread, where else can one raise this issue on his web site?

    Has Patrick ever addressed this issue?

    RPM (52c50d)

  127. RPM – How would blogging affect his ability to do his job?

    You really are an asshat.

    JD (5f0e11)

  128. The left really wants to silence the conservatives on the internet and talk radio. Why else do some clamor for the so-called “Fairness Doctrine”? Oh, and Faux/Fake News is in the tank for the right side of political spectrum and also needs to be stymied. CBS/NBS/CNN/MSNBC/PBS/ NPR are all condsidered fair or leaning a bit to the right. No calls for fairness doctrine applied to them.
    Perhaps the moonbats that frequent this site would be happy if the site were eithert shut down or shared editorially with the likes of Levi and a host of other nattering nabobs? Better yet, let the UN take over control of the Internet or at least have Congress provide some oversight? I nominate my Congressman Wexler to head the committee for fairness in blogging. Truth should be silenced and outright lies, innuendoes and obfuscations substituted.
    Has to irk the trolls here that Patterico is not in the tank for Obama or the LA Times. How can he not feel the aura emanating from the Lightworker?
    Thank you, mayor Daley for providing America with inspriration and hope for change. The country needs reminder of what liberals are capable of foisting on an ignorant public, who have either forgotten or never experienced the utter cluelessness of a Carter administration. Peace out.

    madmax333 (9fb64e)

  129. There seems to be some hostility here to the perfectly reasonable question of how Patrick Frey runs this web site without it affecting his ability to perform his job as a prosecutor.

    Oh, that’s a very, very good question, RPM.

    There are 168 hours in a week. Suppose Patterico works 50 of those hours as a public servant. How many hours does he have left to do whatever he wants to do?

    /your 4th grade teacher

    Pablo (99243e)

  130. God forbid that RPM should find out that Patterico also plays the guitar and sings. Oops, sorry.

    nk (6a0113)

  131. “Jesse Jackson represents the tired old way, and Barack Obama represents the new way” WRONG about Obama. Don’t get caught saying this! He is NOT new. He is re-fried socialist beans. Nothing new to see here folks. Raise taxes, enviro-or-die, mega-government, backed by the extreme left…what’s new about this?? Please don’t say he’s ‘new’.
    Jesse was stupid to say this, granted. Bad move. But this scores B.O. zero points.

    Ian Farnsley (2e6d27)

  132. Ian,

    Or should I call you Maureen (Dowd)?

    How’s about giving us the whole quote from my post?

    Yuh-huh. Reads a little different than you portrayed it, dunnit?

    Patterico (cbb8b2)

  133. “Jesse was stupid to say this, granted. Bad move. But this scores B.O. zero points.”

    Ian – Not necessarily. All those guilty white voters tired of race pimps like Jackson and Sharpton may be heartened by dust ups such as this and surface signals that Obama is throwing the old ways under the bus, potenyailly making it more palatable for them to vote for the Messiah.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  134. Obama seems not to be playing according to the black theology play book and training he was given by these whacko preachers. He is a rebel that needs to be castrated and fast. I predict that Jesse’s little gaffe wont be the last we shall see of this. Take note of my prophecy. Obama’s next crisis will come from the most unexpected of places: The Black community. They are going to brand him a sell out, not black enough, a white man’s pawn, a Judas. His greatest fight will be from his own people. When it happens, remember that Love2008 prophesied it.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  135. “Obama’s next crisis will come from the most unexpected of places: The Black community. They are going to brand him a sell out, not black enough, a white man’s pawn, a Judas. His greatest fight will be from his own people. When it happens, remember that Love2008 prophesied it.”

    lovey – Are you predicting the black vote will go to McCain? That I would like to see.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  136. #136
    Daley,
    The black vote is not Obama’s problem at this point. He needed it so much during the primaries but so much now. His problem is the majority vote. The Black community will still vote for him but not as enthusiastically as they did during the primaries. By Nov Obama would have evolved into a white candidate who happens to have a black father. And the black community wont find that very funny.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  137. lovey – If he gets the black vote, what is his problem with the black community with respect to the election. Getting elected is all that matters at the moment. Your thesis is suspect.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  138. By Nov Obama would have evolved into a white candidate who happens to have a black father.

    After all the talk about “typical white people” (nope, no racism there!), such a claim would ruin any chance he ever had of drawing a government paycheck after this current term ends.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  139. #138
    What do you want me to tell you Daley, that the blacks wont vote for him? Come on Daley, you know better than that! I am just pointing out that the recent Jesse Jackson episode reveals a crack in the wall somewhere and more episodes of this nature will follow. First in trickles then in throngs. It will create a kind of division among them. Especially from the black pulpit. But in all, he will still have a lion’s share of their vote. But right now, Obama is being viewed with a lot of suspicion by certain people in certain quarters. And these people have influence. And they will try to use it against him.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  140. the blacks wont vote for him?

    Not with 94% support. (Nope, no bias based on race there…)

    (Speaking of which, what do they call it when an entire subgroup of the population start judging people based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character – or lack thereof? Something-ism…)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  141. #141
    If Racism is the word you are looking for Drumwaster, I would beg to defer. Racism is defined as the prejudice that memebers of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races. In this case, blacks voting for a black candidate cannot be viewed as racism but identifying with your type because you believe he will protect your interest. You might call it reverse racism. Blacks are not capable of racism in its truest form. They are the minority. They dont see themselves as superior to others, rather they see all men as equal. That is why they demand equality. They cant afford to be racist except to people they feel superior to. And that list does not include the whites.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  142. You might call it reverse racism.

    There is no such thing, and the attempts to justify the racism by saying “it’s okay if its in reverse” (black on white) are reprehensible at best.

    That is why they demand equality.

    You know, when I was growing up, I didn’t demand equality. I simply acted as though it was already there, and did my best, living or dying on my own successes and failures. And I never had anyone say “well, since you are [insert speculative flesh tones here], we’re gonna give you a few extra points”, because I would have refused them.

    Anytime someone has had to “demand equality”, they have always ended up with the short end of the stick, because you won’t get any more than you would have gotten anyway, but you will induce a dollop of disfavor by trying to assert that others are somehow “holding them back”, and that is the purest bullshit.

    America is a meritocracy – where people succeed or fail based on what they do – or don’t do.

    I won’t be voting for Barry because he is an incompetent empty suit with opinions based solely on the audience and time of day. I won’t be voting for McCain just because he’s white, either. (FWIW, I have zero intentions of voting for McCain at all, because he doesn’t meet my standards, either.)

    But to say that the “people of color” should vote for Obama because he “represents their interests” (since they are hard working farmers from Mississippi and he is a child of privilege fronting the Chi-town political machine), solely because they happen to not be albinos, and that is somehow okay, is racism at its rankest, and I will have nothing to do with it.

    Something tells me you really haven’t thought your arguments through.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  143. Blacks are not capable of racism in its truest form.

    Nonsense. The statement itself is racist. Any man is capable of racism.

    Racism is defined as the prejudice that memebers of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.

    That can take the form of assuming that another race is inherently evil, which make the believer racist by thinking that he, not being evil, is superior.

    They are the minority. They dont see themselves as superior to others, rather they see all men as equal.

    Tell that to Calypso Louie.

    Pablo (99243e)

  144. #142 If anything I sense blacks feel inferior in some aspects even though some act like bad asses or really are bad asses. Imagine if you switch the names from black to white in things like Miss BLACK America, Black is beautiful. Black music awards. And you have Holidays like Kwanzaa to celebrate African heritage even though it was created out of nothing by a black criminal. Why would not people desire to assimilate instead of being perpetually ghettoized? Same thing goes for all the Hispanics who come and refuse to learn English. Press two for spanish. Big icehole obama thinks Americans should learn Spanish, even though he doesn’t know it himself. I know people here from S. America living here fifteen years or more and not understanding English.
    Saint Jesse J can refer to Jews as from Hymietown and no one is offended. Al Sharpton gets praise from dimbulbs such as Bill O’Reilly despite all the evil he has fomented. People are castigating Jesse Helms behavior vis a vis that black female senator, who herself was a real horse’s ass. How mainstream is the Congressional Black Caucus? Why no Irish, Italian or Dutch caucus? How hard would it be to say your race or sexual preference should no longer give you a leg up? Who really cares what you do in private? Who cares if skanks like Rosie or Ellen Degeneres can bed hot babes?
    I’m white- what are my chances of breaking into pro basketball? Why a meritocracy there and not everywhere? Whites are still the majority and are woefully underepresented in basketball as an example.

    madmax333 (04ed85)

  145. Hey…Patt,

    I figured everyone that is commenting here had Read it…since this is the comment page for the article… I know your not with Obama…I’m taking you to task for your careless “Obama is the Next New Thing” claptrap. You sound like you’re drinkin’ the koolaid when you do that. So don’t!

    Ian Farnsley (2e6d27)

  146. #147
    Whatever way you look at it, its still Obama’s nuts we are talking about. And it aint funny! Never play with a man’s nuts.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  147. What kind of a man (JJ), who is so full of himself,support someone (Barack) and stab him in the back in the next breath? Jessie Jackson is FAMOUS for lighting the fire in the African American Community. He is an arrogant shit disturber. I have a better idea Jesse, why doesn’t someone cut out your tongue so we don’t have to listen to your bullshit anymore?

    patti (a9c255)

  148. love2008,

    I think patti needs a dose of your specialty, peace and love.

    DRJ (cfa65f)


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