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3/15/2024

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:19 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

How many times and in how many ways must this be said:

Putin’s strategy is to scare the entire Western world. Putin wants us to be afraid of him.

He wants us to talk about “nuclear threats”. The West, the entire free world, must not allow itself to be frightened.

If Ukraine loses more territory, then the entire West pays the consequences.

We need the weapons to be able to defend ourselves. Support from the USA is crucial for this!

Related:

…[President Emmanuel] Macron was asked about the prospect of sending Western troops to Ukraine, which he publicly raised last month in comments that prompted pushback from other European leaders who stressed they had no plans to do so.

“We’re not in that situation today,” he said, but added that “all these options are possible.”

Macron said that troops would only be sent in if Moscow provoked it. He declined to expand further, other than to say that” France would not lead an offensive into Ukraine against Russia.”

He also warned that France cannot afford to be weak where Russia is concerned:

“If war was to spread to Europe, it would be Russia’s sole choice and sole responsibility. But for us to decide today to be weak, to decide today that we would not respond, is being defeated already. And I don’t want that,”

Second news item

President Biden being squeezed by all sides over Israel:

More than three dozen Arab, Muslim and Palestinian-American leaders blasted a White House effort to meet with community organizations in Chicago over the administration’s position on the Israel-Hamas conflict.

In a joint letter addressed to the White House, the groups criticized the outreach as a bid to “whitewash months of White House inaction,” arguing there was no point in agreeing to more meetings until President Joe Biden changes his approach to the conflict…The rebuke serves as the latest sign of the challenge that Biden faces in winning back voters alienated by his steadfast support for the Israeli offensive. A campaign urging Democrats to express their discontent with Biden’s position has spread to several states, after roughly 13 percent of Michigan voters chose to vote “uncommitted” instead of for Biden in their primary last month.

Third news item

Delay away:

The Manhattan district attorney’s office is willing to delay Donald Trump’s criminal hush money trial for up to 30 days, according to a court filing.

The trial is currently scheduled to start on March 25.

The potential delay throws the date for what’s supposed to be the former president’s first criminal trial into question, a surprise twist that represents a major boost for Trump – whose defense teams have employed a strategy of consistently trying to delay all of his trials past the election.

The US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York sent about 31,000 pages of discovery material Wednesday and will have more to share, the new filing states.

Fourth news item

“Unrealistic demands” by terrorists for a ceasefire:

Hamas has presented a Gaza ceasefire proposal to mediators and the U.S. that includes the release of Israeli hostages in exchange for freedom for Palestinian prisoners, 100 of whom are serving life sentences, according to a proposal seen by Reuters.

Hamas said the initial release of Israelis would include women, children, elderly and ill hostages in return for the release of 700-1,000 Palestinians held in Israeli prisons, according to the proposal. The release of Israeli “female recruits” is included…

Related: Today Netanyahu’s office announced that a ground invasion of Rafah had been approved. Plans include evacuating civilians beforehand.

Fifth news item

Racial realignment in politics hurting Biden:

“As you can see, Biden’s margin against Donald Trump has basically not moved an inch among white voters; he’s losing them by 12 percentage points, as he did in 2020. However, Biden is now only winning Hispanics by 7 percentage points — down from 24 points in 2020 — and Black voters by ‘only’ 55 points, as compared with 83 points in 2020.”

“I’m not going to cover every possible difficulty when surveying non-white voters, who generally have lower response rates to polls than white voters do. I’m just saying this has been a consistent pattern; Split Ticket has been doing the same analysis for months now, and they’re finding the same thing every time. So at the very least, Democrats can’t wish this problem away by complaining about small sample sizes, although that doesn’t mean they won’t try.”

Sixth news item

And therein lies the problem with the modern Republican Party:

Rep. Nancy Mace’s reelection campaign is calling on one of her primary challengers, Catherine Templeton, to drop out of the South Carolina First Congressional District race.

This comes as former President Donald Trump threw his support behind the congresswoman over the weekend, calling her a “strong, conservative voice” for South Carolina.

On Wednesday, Mace’s campaign manager John Mason Long said Trump’s endorsement signals that the campaign is “stronger than ever” and urged Republicans to unite behind her…

“It’s time for Templeton to step aside and support the only candidate supported by our party’s leader and the only candidate who can win in November. To do otherwise would be to oppose the direction our party leader, Donald Trump, has set for us,” he continued.

Seventh news item

One or the other must go:

A Georgia judge ruled Friday that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis should not be disqualified from prosecuting the racketeering case against former President Donald Trump and several co-defendants — with one major condition.

Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee found the “appearance of impropriety” brought about by Willis’ romantic relationship with special prosecutor Nathan Wade should result in either Willis and her office leaving the case — or just Wade, whom she’d appointed to head the case.

The choice is likely to be an easy one: If Willis were to remove herself, the case would come to a halt, but having Wade leave will ensure the case continues without further delay.

The judge said the prosecution “cannot proceed” until Willis makes a decision.

Eighth news item

Unsurprising and disappointing:

President Joe Biden on Friday praised the speech delivered by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., a day earlier in which he said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has “lost his way” and called for new elections in Israel.

“He made a good speech and I think he expressed a serious concern shared not only by him but by many Americans,” Biden told reporters in the Oval Office when asked what he thought about Schumer’s remarks.

Some Democrats are pushing back on Schumer’s comments:

“Although I have disagreements with Israel’s government, I respect the Israelis’ right to decide for themselves when to call elections and whom to choose as their leaders,” Rep. Brad Schneider, D-Ill., said in a statement. “I pray that when the time comes, Israelis of all faiths and backgrounds will come together to elect leaders who will strengthen democracy and build on the unbreakable bonds between our two nations, just as I pray we Americans will do in November.”

Former Rep. Ted Deutch, D-Fla., now president of the American Jewish Committee, wrote in a statement that while the organization appreciates Schumer’s defense of Israel, “We do not believe it is appropriate for U.S. officials to try to dictate the electoral future of any ally.”

Note:

Biden has faced ongoing calls from the progressive wing of the Democratic Party to exert more pressure on the Israeli government to make greater efforts to curb Palestinian civilian deaths in Gaza and to increase the delivery of humanitarian aid into the strip.

I agree that there absolutely needs to be less civilian deaths and more humanitarian aid to those suffering. But there also needs to be the acknowledgement and full understanding that until Hamas is eradicated and the hostages are freed, there will be a war.

MISCELLANEOUS

A couple of good cartoons:

Have a great weekend.

–Dana

393 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e902f)

  2. RE: First news item…

    Macron is right to signal this now, and I’m heartened by the fact that at least one European nation is willing to rattle their own sabres.

    whembly (5f7596)

  3. Re: Sixth item:

    “Party leader”? Sounds like “Dear Leader”. Maybe the parallel is to be expected.

    Kenneth Pocket (1f45e0)

  4. As predicted, Mayorkas refused to provide DHS files on Laken Riley’s murderer and continues to stonewall, because he’s an a$$ who works for an a$$hole president.

    House Republicans have threatened to subpoena Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas if the department continues to evade its requests to provide information on Venezuelan illegal immigrant Jose Ibarra, who was arrested as a suspect in the murder of nursing student Laken Riley.

    Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH), Tim McClintock (R-OH), and Ben Cline (R-VA) sent Mayorkas a letter Thursday warning the Biden administration official that his failure to respond to the legislative branch’s repeated requests for details on Ibarra’s immigration and criminal history would land him in deep trouble.

    “If DHS continues to stonewall the [House Judiciary] Committee’s investigation, the Committee will be forced to use compulsory process,” the three congressmen wrote in the letter, referring to tools, such as subpoena power, House Republicans have to compel information.

    lloyd (a32922)

  5. RE: 8th item: I think you’re in agreement with Biden and Schumer, ultimately – that Israel needs to do more for the civilians, ensure that a plan to evacuate non-combatants from Rafah before/during any operation, and that the war will proceed because it must.
    The question is: is Netanyahu and the far-right taking enough steps to ensure the above? Reporting today indicates there is a plan to evacuate Rafah prior to an attack, which is good – but ben Gvir has previously made statements indicating a severe lack of concern for ensuring aid is delivered.

    And: what is the plan for after the war? What are the options being considered? Worst-case scenario is Hamas continues to rule; next slightly less bad is permanent Israeli occupation of Gaza. Would it be just a chaos scenario like Mogadishu? Is the least bad option that something like the PA or local Gazans governing?

    The potential for elections to occur is quickly approaching, as there must be an agreement made in the next two weeks on whether the ultra-Orthodox will be continued to be exempted from serving in the IDF or not. If no agreement is made, then we can expect a split and elections.

    Sam G (74da99)

  6. Hey Lloyd: it was Trump that blocked Venezuelan deportation, not Biden. https://apnews.com/general-news-international-news-88ba0f2a51b35bf8195e886d4210e5c3

    Sam G (74da99)

  7. @5 No mention of the hostages of course, Sam G.

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  8. @6 That’s interesting, Sam G. What does that have to do with Laken’s murder?

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  9. Lloyd, Biden has been working to bring the hostages home since October. Negotiations proceed apace, and we don’t have to discuss those every single time when we talk about prosecution of the war.

    Sam G (74da99)

  10. @8: why was he still here instead of being deported? Trump.

    Sam G (74da99)

  11. Nathan Wade, the special prosecutor leading the Fulton County investigation of Donald Trump, has resigned.

    Rip Murdock (a57757)

  12. @11 the expected result of the decision, yes.

    Sam G (74da99)

  13. @10 Laken’s murderer didn’t arrive in the US until Biden’s second year as president. I mean, you really need to do better, Sam G.

    If this is how you’re going to defend Mayorkas giving the middle finger to Laken’s family, we’re done.

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  14. Great, I never have to get a reply from you again. Agree to the deal, Lloyd.

    Sam G (74da99)

  15. Here’s the thing:

    If Laken Riley was killed in a mass shooting event via AR-15, you’d not give two sh*ts.

    So spare me the histrionics.

    Sam G (74da99)

  16. @15 I thought we had a deal, Sam G.

    If you want to change the Constitution and delete the 2A, go ahead and get that rolling.

    There is no constitutional defense for Biden’s border mess.

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  17. Macron’s statement is an empty threat. The West will not send ground (or air) forces into Ukraine, unless Russia attacks NATO.

    Macron concedes France will not take the lead. The French military totals only slightly less than 200,000 personnel, of which only 118,600 are in the army. Even with those pathetic numbers, France has the largest military in the EU.

    Rip Murdock (a57757)

  18. @16 The agreement was that you were done replying to me 🙂

    Like I said, you don’t really care about Laken Riley’s death. I don’t think you really care about the border either, considering the hold-up to being able to manage it well lies with Congress passing changes to the applicable laws – which Biden has promised to sign.

    Get on the phone with your representatives and have them sign the discharge petition if you really want to make improvements.

    Sam G (74da99)

  19. The West will just watch Ukraine fall to the Russians, just like they did during the East German, Hungarian, Czechoslovakian revolts in the 1950s and ‘60s, especially since the West has largely cut off military support.

    Rip Murdock (a57757)

  20. Maybe I missed it, but have those “three dozen Arab, Muslim and Palestinian-American leaders” called for Hamas to stop their war, surrender and abdicate power, and return all the hostages? Seems not.

    Paul Montagu (383f45)

  21. @18 Sam G, since you’re so well informed about the border issue, despite not knowing when Laken’s murderer got in, educate me on the following:

    1. How did Laken’s murderer get in the country?
    2. Regarding the method in #1, what does the Senate bill (which didn’t pass the Senate) do about it?

    They’re simple questions, and yes I know the answers. I’m sure you know, too. I’ll await your answers….

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  22. Related: Today Netanyahu’s office announced that a ground invasion of Rafah had been approved. Plans include evacuating civilians beforehand.

    m I don’t know if that is possible without the cooperation of Egypt and the United Nations.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  23. lloyd (f7ae32) — 3/15/2024 @ 12:58 pm

    There is no constitutional defense for Biden’s border mess.

    Yes, there is:

    https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations/senate-and-constitution/constitution.htm

    Article 1, Section 9. Clause 7

    No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

    For more see https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S9-C7-1/ALDE_00001095/

    …Thus, the Supreme Court’s cases explain that any exercise of a power granted by the Constitution to the Judiciary or to the Executive is limited by a valid reservation of congressional control over funds in the Treasury.5 For instance, the Court has held federal courts may not enter, and Executive Branch officials may not pay, money judgments against the United States for which there is no appropriation….

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  24. Like with me, Pence is going protest vote, refusing to endorse Trump.

    Paul Montagu (383f45)

  25. Sam G (74da99) — 3/15/2024 @ 12:30 pm

    I think you’re in agreement with Biden and Schumer, ultimately – that Israel needs to do more for the civilians, ensure that a plan to evacuate non-combatants from Rafah before/during any operation, and that the war will proceed because it must.

    But that is not what Schumer complained about. Because Benny Gantz is, if anything, worse than Netanyahu on that. Schumer complained about Netanyahu not being willing to unconditionally endorse a Palestinian state.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-senator-chuck-schumers-speech-israeli-elections-are-the-only-way

    …After five months of suffering on both sides of this conflict, our thinking must turn — urgently — to how we can achieve lasting peace, and ensure prosperity and security for both the Jewish people and the Palestinian people in the Middle East.

    which he called for Israel to hold new elections and criticized Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahuand his government. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images/AFP)
    The following is the full text of Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s speech given on March 14, 2024, as released by the senator’s office:

    I rise to speak today about what I believe can — and should — be the path forward to secure mutual peace and lasting prosperity for Israelis and Palestinians.

    I speak for myself, but I also speak for so many mainstream Jewish Americans — a silent majority — whose nuanced views on the matter have never been well represented in this country’s discussions about the war in Gaza.

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    My last name is Schumer, which derives from the Hebrew word Shomer, or “guardian.” Of course, my first responsibility is to America and New York. But as the first Jewish Majority Leader of the United States Senate, and the highest-ranking Jewish elected official in America ever, I also feel very keenly my responsibility as Shomer Yisroel — a guardian of the People of Israel.

    Throughout Jewish history, there have been many Shomrim, and plenty who were far greater than I claim to be. But nonetheless, this is the position in which I find myself now — at a time of great difficulty for the State of Israel, for the Jewish people, and for non-Jewish friends of Israel.

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    So I feel an immense obligation to speak and act.

    I speak as a member of a community of Jewish Americans that I know very well. They are my family, my friends. Many of them are my constituents, many of them are Democrats and many are deeply concerned about the pursuit of justice, both in New York and around the globe. From the Talmud — Tikkun Olam, the call to “repair the world” — has driven Jews around the globe to do what is right.

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    We love Israel in our bones. What Israel has meant to my generation, within living memory of the Holocaust, is impossible to measure. The flowering of the Jewish people in the desert from the ashes of the Holocaust, and the fulfillment of the dream of a Jewish homeland — after nearly two thousand years of praying and waiting — represents one of the most heartfelt causes of my life.

    And unlike some younger Americans, I remember how hard it was to achieve that dream. I remember clutching my transistor radio to my ear in James Madison High School during the Six Day War wondering if Israel would be pushed into the sea.

    If the events of the last few months have made anything clear, it is that Israel is surrounded by vicious enemies, and there are many people around the world who excuse and even support their aims to expel and kill Jews living in their hard-won land of refuge.

    US Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer speaks on the Senate floor on March 14, 2024. (Video screen capture)
    I will never underestimate the grave threats Israel faces — and has faced — for the entirety of its existence, nor will I ever underestimate the oppression that the Jewish people have endured for millennia.

    It is precisely out of this long-standing connection to, and concern for, the State of Israel and its people that I speak today about what I view are the most pressing existential threats to Israel’s long-term peace and prosperity.

    After five months of suffering on both sides of this conflict, our thinking must turn — urgently — to how we can achieve lasting peace, and ensure prosperity and security for both the Jewish people and the Palestinian people in the Middle East.

    I believe that to achieve that lasting peace — which we so long for — Israel must make some significant course corrections, which I will outline in this speech.

    He;s talking about the period AFTER the war!

    Because the lack of a plan about what to do after victory is the excuse they are making for Hamas not agreeing to reasonable terms for a pause in operations.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  26. #24.

    I’m actually surprised. Good for Pence.

    Appalled (5ecdf9)

  27. I bungled this.

    The point is that while everybody complains about non-combatants being killed, this is not the issue Schumer says he has with Netanyahu. </B.

    The issue he has is what will happen after the war.

    Some Arab states have explained their ack of help by saying they want a satisfactory situation after the war.

    Biden and Blinken don't realize when they are being lied to.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  28. Jay in Kyiv is a little steamed at MAGA Mike, and I don’t blame him.

    Paul Montagu (383f45)

  29. Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH), Tim McClintock (R-OH), and Ben Cline (R-VA) sent Mayorkas a letter Thursday warning the Biden administration official that his failure to respond to the legislative branch’s repeated requests for details on Ibarra’s immigration and criminal history would land him in deep trouble.

    How much more trouble can Mayorkas get in? You can only impeach someone once, and any criminal referral would be ignored by the Justice Department.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  30. Sammy, look at my post: I asked the question “What comes after the war?”. Most American Jews have these concerns about both the prosecution of and what comes post-war, and as most of us support a two-state solution we understandably do not support Netanyahu or any of the far-right’s decision making in regards to either question.

    Sam G (74da99)

  31. Schumer:

    …It bothers me deeply that most media outlets covering this war, and many protesters opposing it, have placed the blame for civilian casualties entirely on Israel. All too often, in the media and at protests, it is never noted that Hamas has gone to great lengths to make themselves inseparable from the civilian population of Gaza by using Palestinians as human shields.

    Too many news agencies and newspapers give Hamas a pass by hardly ever discussing this shameful practice that is central to their fighting strategy, and this has led to an inaccurate perception of the harsh realities of this war. I believe stories that justifiably mention the loss of innocent Palestinian life should also note how Hamas uses civilians as human shields. It almost never happens. And I believe that every protest that justifiably decries the loss of innocent Palestinian men, women and children, should also denounce Hamas for their central role in the bloodshed.

    When protesters decry the loss of Palestinian life, but never condemn this perfidy or the loss of Israeli lives, it confounds and deeply troubles the vast majority of Jewish and non-Jewish Americans alike who support the State of Israel.

    Given that Hamas launched their attack on October 7 to provoke Israel, given that Hamas sought the ensuing civilian toll in Gaza, given that Hamas wanted both Israelis and Arabs to be at each other’s throats… tensions on both sides have dramatically intensified.

    And now, as a result of these inflamed tensions in both the Israeli and Palestinian communities, people on all sides of this war are turning away from a two-state solution — including Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who in recent weeks has said out loud repeatedly what many have long suspected by outright rejecting the idea of Palestinian statehood and sovereignty….

    That’s his problem. He says Israel should care more about the people getting killed, but that’s not why he says he wants a new Israeli government.

    And Netanyahu has not rejected a Palestinian state. He has rejected a Palestinian state that is not demilitarized and deradicalized. And Biden. meanwhile, has said it needs to be reformed before it is given control of Gaza..

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  32. Sam G (74da99) — 3/15/2024 @ 2:07 pm

    Sammy, look at my post: I asked the question “What comes after the war?”.

    Israel’s position is that they’ll cross that bridge when they come to it, and maybe that it will be easier after victory. The Israeli government is divided as to what comes next but Netanyahu at least believes that failure to come up with a post war plan should not get in the way of achieving victory..

    Most American Jews have these concerns about both the prosecution of and what comes post-war, and as most of us support a two-state solution

    Two states is not a “solution” to anything except a certain irregularity in the status of many Palestinian Arabs. It’s a solution to the wrong problem, which is the vilification and hatred of Israel and interference by Iran.

    we understandably do not support Netanyahu or any of the far-right’s decision making in regards to either question.

    The far right was promoted by Netanyahu solely because they would be a reliable coalition partner unlikely to defect to the opposition. They are not, and will not, be making any decisions.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  33. Netanyahu has in fact rejected a two-state solution, and stated that he is proud to have prevented its establishment.

    Sam G (74da99)

  34. Sam G (74da99) — 3/15/2024 @ 12:30 pm

    And: what is the plan for after the war? What are the options being considered? Worst-case scenario is Hamas continues to rule; next slightly less bad is permanent Israeli occupation of Gaza. Would it be just a chaos scenario like Mogadishu? Is the least bad option that something like the PA or local Gazans governing?

    The least bad realistic option is Gaza being ruled directly by Israel. Hamas and Iran is determined to force a binary choice: Them or Israel.

    Benny Gantz doesn’t care about the draft because he already offered the religious parties what they want if they will agree to join in a coalition with them – nor is it at all practical, because draftees need months of training

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  35. Sam G (74da99) — 3/15/2024 @ 2:19 pm

    Netanyahu has in fact rejected a two-state solution,

    At this point.

    and stated that he is proud to have prevented its establishment.

    When electioneering. He has modified his position to opposing merely one that is not demilitarized and that could pose a threat to Israel.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  36. The issue of ultra-Orthodox conscription isn’t only about this war, Sammy. It’s been an issue for a long time, and one that is made more stark during this war as the non-Haredim have their reserve status extended – ’cause a significant portion of the populace refuses to serve.

    Reversion to a status of Israeli occupation of Gaza forever is not gonna work: it’s the same situation as before 2005, and that wasn’t a safe time from my recollection. A two-state solution with security guarantees for Israel from the neighboring countries (like Saudi Arabia) would be best. That it is difficult and requires much effort does not change that – but what it does mean is that those that wish to annex the West Bank and Gaza will be angry, which is also a good thing.

    Sam G (74da99)

  37. Congratulations, Biden supporters.

    Migrant Who Entered U.S. Under Biden Parole Program Charged With Rape Of Teenage Girl: Report

    A 26-year-old Haitian man, who reportedly entered the U.S. under the Biden administration’s migrant parole program, was charged Thursday with raping a 15-year-old girl at a Massachusetts hotel that is being used as a migrant shelter.

    Cory Alvarez was arraigned on Thursday and pleaded not guilty to aggravated rape of a child. Sources told Fox News that the Haitian man flew to John F. Kennedy International Airport last June and was sponsored by someone in New Jersey as part of President Joe Biden’s parole program, which has allowed over one million migrants to come to the U.S. from countries such as Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Ukraine, and Afghanistan.

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  38. “If DHS continues to stonewall the [House Judiciary] Committee’s investigation, the Committee will be forced to use compulsory process,” the three congressmen wrote in the letter, referring to tools, such as subpoena power, House Republicans have to compel information.

    They can actually arrest him.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  39. @21 Sam G, the answers are:

    1. parole
    2. nothing

    You knew that, right?

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  40. Incorrect:

    1: claimed asylum
    2: asylum claims would only be accepted at ports of entry, and would be more expeditiously processed – most likely leading to his rejection from asylum.

    Sam G (74da99)

  41. @40 Source, Sam G? Ibarra did not file an asylum claim. He was admitted on parole, and even the left wing sources confirm that.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement says that the suspect in Riley’s case, Jose Ibarra, was apprehended by border patrol agents in 2022 and was then released on parole. Ibarra had several run-ins with law enforcement in New York and Georgia prior to his arrest last month.

    Mayorkas could clarify everything by simply releasing the DHS file. That he won’t should point to where the blame lies.

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  42. @41: read that again. It predates the humanitarian parole program for Venezuelans (started October 2022, Ibarra’s apprehension was September), and if you understand our system you understand that he was released because he claimed asylum – and because not enough funding for holding facilities or processing has been made available by Congress, he was paroled pending his case being heard.

    We need to fix the system by making asylum harder to claim; faster to process; and if we want to ensure that such claimants are not wandering about then we need to build more holding facilities.

    Sam G (74da99)

  43. @42 Like I said, Mayorkas can easily clarify this instead of stonewalling. The murderer was let in a year after Remain in Mexico was halted by Biden, that much is known. That act created the detention and processing crisis for which Biden wants more funding.

    There’s also the fact that either Biden’s ICE failed to file detainers or the local Democrat run jurisdictions refused to honor them. There were several points at which Laken could’ve been shielded from the murderer and Democrat policies failed her at every point. The Senate bill does nothing about this.

    lloyd (f7ae32)

  44. Long time no post.

    As I always say, this place IMHO *needs* a bit more levity, so thought I’d share a link to Sasha Stone (a favorite of mine at X/Twitter) and her preview (she hasn’t seen it yet) of a new film by Alex Garland (writer/director of the great Ex Machina) called Civil War.

    Many reviewers are saying that if in fact the US fell into one, it would look like this movie. It also appears that both left and right reviewers/audiences are enjoying it, interestingly, even if the premise seems too close for comfort. (In the film, both Texas and California are jointly leading a charge for secession against a three-term president, played by Nick Offerman.)

    Or you could just go see Cabrini instead. 🙂

    https://www.hollywoodwoketopia.com/p/civil-war-least-woke-since-american?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    qdpsteve again (ea27af)

  45. “If DHS continues to stonewall the [House Judiciary] Committee’s investigation, the Committee will be forced to use compulsory process,” the three congressmen wrote in the letter, referring to tools, such as subpoena power, House Republicans have to compel information.

    They can actually arrest him.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/15/2024 @ 2:52 pm

    Highly unlikely. Congress hasn’t used its “inherent contempt” powers since the 1930s. And given the sliver of a majority in the House, I doubt the votes are available-the was a bare majority for Mayorkas’s impeachment.

    By the way, what happened to the Mayorkas impeachment?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  46. Biden and Schumer feel there are more votes from Islamists than Jews that support Israel. So under the bus they go.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  47. Macron is right to signal this now, and I’m heartened by the fact that at least one European nation is willing to rattle their own sabres.

    I think I agree. I know the American voter continues to have a bad taste in his/her mouth over Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. But I think it’s very cowardly of modern politicians to announce at the very beginning of hostilities that U.S. troops will not be involved. I get that the Barack Obamas, Donald Trumps, and Joe Bidens of the world feel like they have to reassure us that our sons & daughters, husbands & wives, nephews and nieces, etc. aren’t going to be sent far away to join in someone else’s fight, but all his preemptive declaration that the U.S. and NATO wouldn’t send troops has done is to embolden Putin.

    I may write a post about this next week, but ever since the beginning of the war The Spectator has been publishing a number of voices who can hardly be considered to be pro-Putin, but have been consistent in predicting that Russia will in fact eventually “win” this war just because their military is so much larger than Ukraine’s and Putin is willing to bankrupt his economy, sacrifice tens of thousands of his own men, and kill Ukrainian civilians with abandon. Meanwhile, we lack the will to stop him. That’s just the way it is, and at this point I don’t blame anybody who says that it may be time to reach a negotiated truce in this war lest we watch Ukraine lose another 30,000 troops and 50,000 civilians.

    JVW (7a22b8)

  48. So how many cities will it be OK to lose to atomic attacks in order to demonstrate that “we are not frightened”? Are we really certain that a dictator with access to nuclear weaponry would be too noble to make use of such weapons if he were to feel driven into a corner? At what point does not being frightened become indistinguishable from not having any survival impulse! 🤔

    Towering Barbarian (177cd9)

  49. So how many cities will it be OK to lose to atomic attacks in order to demonstrate that “we are not frightened”?

    That’s exactly the reaction Putin’s hoping for, and it caused Biden to blanch and delay in the early months of his latest invasion. Putin’s been issuing these empty threats for years, and we know they’re empty because he understands MAD as well as he understands Article 5 of NATO.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  50. So how many cities will it be OK to lose to atomic attacks in order to demonstrate that “we are not frightened”?

    Seven.

    The question is, when we nuke Russia, do we let it sit for a minute to finish cooking or do we nuke it again to crisp it?

    nk (95fcea)

  51. @44: I saw the trailer. It looks like a pretty good cautionary tale. If you think having murder squads on your block — asking who you support — is a good thing, then you’ll like a civil war.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  52. So how many cities will it be OK to lose to atomic attacks in order to demonstrate that “we are not frightened”?

    Nuclear war doesn’t work that way.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  53. Consider the destruction of 1000 2 megaton bombs set off on a 50-mile pitch covering the inhabited part of Russia.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  54. Macron is right to signal this now, and I’m heartened by the fact that at least one European nation is willing to rattle their own sabres.

    As I mentioned above, Macron wants someone else to take the lead, not France. And if the West sent combat troops into Ukraine, it would be a declaration of war against Russia, which would invite instant retaliation.

    Macron’s getting ahead of his voters:

    In an Odoxa poll, 68 percent of French respondents said Macron’s comments on Western troops in Ukraine were “wrong.”

    Macron’s “saber rattling” is to appear tough in upcoming European elections, and to portray his far-right opponents as tools of the Kremlin. Given that the UK, US, and Germany have rejected his proposal, he may be forced to put up or shut up.

    The U.S. isn’t alone in shouting down the idea. The far-left and far-right parties in France denounced it. German Chancellor OLAF SCHOLZ said today it wouldn’t happen: “There will be no ground troops, no soldiers on Ukrainian soil sent there by European countries or NATO states.”
    ………….
    ……… Macron said there was no consensus among EU-member leaders to actively fight on Ukraine’s behalf, but added the idea wasn’t wholly “ruled out.”

    A big nothingburger. 🍔

    Rip Murdock (a57757)

  55. Trump flip-flopped on TikTok, and Tucker followed suit. And now he’s lying about the bill the House passed.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  56. The illiberal left’s intolerance of liberal Zionism.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  57. @56 liberal zionism is not running Israel. Netanyahu and the likud party are running Israel which are both corrupt and racist. I use to be on the far left ;but the young leftys have passed me by. Palestinian rights and hamas are not the same thing. Calling people who want a ceasefire pro terrorist for cheap political gain is already backfiring. Anti-war protesters being called communists and traitors during the vietnam war led to the left later in the war supporting north vietnam and anti-military until recently. Even AOC supports aid to the Ukraine. If you support Israeli people like I do be careful about cheap political attacks on the future of America for Israel’s sake.

    asset (279ec3)

  58. #57. As usual, I’m struggling to parse your stream of consciousness. But assuming I do follow it, and further assuming for the sake of argument that everything you say is true, so what? What does any of it have to do with the article I linked? If anything, your evasion seems to confirm Cathy Young’s point, i.e., that to the intolerant Left, liberal Zionists might as well be racist West Bank settlers.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  59. A Boeing thread, starting with the following…

    No, DEI is not the reason Boeing is having safety issues. 🔥🧵

    During Donald Trump’s presidency, a clear emphasis was placed on deregulation across various sectors of the American economy, with the aviation industry being no exception.

    This approach was guided by the belief that reducing the regulatory burden on companies could spur innovation, reduce operational costs, and, ultimately, benefit consumers through lower prices and more choices.

    “Trickle-down economics.”

    This approach was marked by a series of policy adjustments, regulatory rollbacks, and shifts in oversight philosophy rather than a single sweeping action.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  60. Visegrad24 has numerous entries like this, showing their Putin “no” votes. Not that it matters. The Russian gangster is in charge.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  61. lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/16/2024 @ 3:10 am

    Bless you, lurker. In a sense, you are doing charitable work by being attentive to those who, otherwise, would exist only on the margins. asset is Lazarus.

    felipe (5045ed)

  62. No matter what anyone tries to tell me, I think that busing illegal immigrants from the border to the interior of America has been the most ingenious move the GOP has come up with a long time. Look at what is happening in Brandon Johnson’s hyper-progressive Chicago:

    Chicago will evict some 5,600 illegal immigrants from city shelters in waves beginning on Sunday, as Mayor Brandon Johnson’s new rule limiting migrant shelter stays to 60 days takes effect.

    Thirty-four illegal immigrants will be evicted on Saturday as the policy finally kicks in, after having been delayed on multiple occasions since November because of cold weather.

    While exemptions will be made for illegal immigrants who have medical conditions, are in the process of securing housing, are experiencing domestic violence, or are pregnant, others who have overstayed the 60-day limit will be evicted in the coming weeks and told to report back to the city’s “landing zone,” a temporary shelter where migrants stay on parked city buses, where they can reapply for a bed.

    As the policy takes effect, 244 more illegal immigrants will be removed by month’s end, after which 1,782 are expected to face eviction next month, according to the Chicago Tribune.

    Sure, there will be an amazing onslaught of illegal immigrants claiming medical conditions and domestic violence, but this policy flies in the face with Mayor Johnson’s previous grandstanding:

    New York City implemented a 30- to 60-day limit on illegal-immigrant shelter stays in the Big Apple in the fall, prompting Johnson at the time to tout Chicago as a more welcoming city.

    “Policies that are impacting population shifts around the globe is affecting us all. These are asylum-seekers. These are not illegal people,” he said at the time.

    However, the city has now done an about-face after having shelled out $160 million to care for the illegal immigrants.

    I guess when you’re the mayor and your big-hearted policies are draining money that otherwise could go to feeding the bureaucracy and creating useless public works projects which might one day bear your name, it’s time to get real with this idea of being “welcoming.”

    JVW (1ad43e)

  63. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 3/16/2024 @ 8:20 am

    I agree that DEI is not the culprit, because DEI does not call for ignoring safety; but neither is deregulation, because it also does not call for ignoring safety: Ignoring safety is solely on Boeing.

    felipe (5045ed)

  64. JVW (1ad43e) — 3/16/2024 @ 8:45 am

    I completely agree, JVW. Spcialism’s hallmark is shared misery, and will continue to be pushed until the pushers, also, share in the misery.

    felipe (5045ed)

  65. I agree that DEI is not the culprit, because DEI does not call for ignoring safety; but neither is deregulation, because it also does not call for ignoring safety: Ignoring safety is solely on Boeing.

    This. Armies of lawyers and bureaucrats do not enhance engineering or manufacturing efforts. If anything, relaxing bureaucratic contact allowed Boeing to focus more resources on their actual business. That they did not, or that those efforts were wasted, is completely a management failure.

    Is there anyone who thinks that Boeing actually wanted to lower the build quality of their planes?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  66. No, liberal arts education hasn’t gone conservative, it’s gone left-wing. The Brilla method, for one, is a corrective back to classical liberalism, noted here.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  67. I agree that DEI is not the culprit, because DEI does not call for ignoring safety; but neither is deregulation, because it also does not call for ignoring safety: Ignoring safety is solely on Boeing.

    Considering that this period also saw strident labor union activity at Boeing, with a strike in 2008, a 2014 contract that was widely despised, and the possibility of a strike this year, it seems more likely that worker sabotage (or indifference to safety) is at fault.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  68. Montana rancher busted by the feds for trying to genetically engineer giant sheep. I love gyros too much to be opposed to that endeavor.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  69. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 3/16/2024 @ 9:00 am

    The New Yorker has an aggressive paywall. Links to that place are useless to non-subscribers.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  70. Montana rancher busted by the feds for trying to genetically engineer giant sheep. I love gyros too much to be opposed to that endeavor.

    Everybody says that until they get trampled by half-ton sheep.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  71. I don’t subscribe to the New Yorker, Kevin.
    It was my once-a-month freebie, and worth the read.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  72. Everybody says that until they get trampled by half-ton sheep.

    It’s probably legal to breed aggressive sheep instead. Surprise the wolves.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  73. A BC tribe plans to take advantage of their sovereignty and build a city within the City of Vancouver. I have no idea how to pronounce the name of the development: Sen̓áḵw, but the architectural rendering is impressive.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  74. RIP singer, songwriter, guitarist, and keyboardist Eric Carmen (74):

    ………. Carmen rose to fame as the frontman of the 1970s pop-rock group The Raspberries, whose tidy haircuts and matching suits appeared to reference the uniform looks of The Beatles and other defining groups of the British Invasion.

    “We became immensely popular by going completely against the grain in 1970,” Carmen wrote in his website bio. “Prog-rock was ‘in,’ and FM radio clutched it to its bosom. I hated it. I loved the Beatles, The Who, the Byrds, the Stones, the Beach Boys and the Small Faces. I loved bands that could WRITE!”
    …………
    After the band broke up in 1975, Carmen built his solo career on knockout ballads such as “All by Myself” – later belted to legendary heights by Celine Dion – and “Hungry Eyes,” which provided the steamy soundtrack backdrop for an intensifying love between Johnny and Baby in “Dirty Dancing.”
    …………
    “All by Myself,” “Make Me Lose Control and “Hungry Eyes” peaked in top 10 of Billboard’s Hot 100 and each spent more than four months on the chart. In all, 13 of Carmen’s songs had a place on the chart.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (e931af)

  75. Huh. I only knew Carmen’s version of “All by Myself.” I never knew Celine Dion covered it. I suppose that says more about my ignorance of Celine than it does my interest in Carmen.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  76. Russia’s official ballot here. Remember, they’re checking the voting booths, too, make sure you get to right answer.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  77. JVW (1ad43e) — 3/16/2024 @ 9:31 am

    Quite right, sir, but it depends on who gets trampled- I’ve seen the running of the bulls, and I still love bovine steak. “Get’em Ferdinand!”

    felipe (5e2a04)

  78. Why Private Developers Are Rejecting Government Money for Affordable Housing

    State and local governments in California have committed tens of billions of dollars to build more affordable housing. A new complex for some of the neediest low-income people doesn’t use any of it.

    By forgoing government assistance and the many regulations and requirements that come with it, SDS Capital Group said the 49-unit apartment building it is financing in South Los Angeles will cost about $291,000 a unit to build.

    The roughly 4,500 apartments for low-income people that have been built with funding from a $1.2 billion bond measure L.A. voters approved in 2016 have cost an average of $600,000 each.
    ………….
    SDS, an investment firm, is financing construction of its L.A. building, scheduled to open in June, with a $190 million fund it raised to build an estimated 2,000 units for formerly homeless people in the city with mental-health and other medical needs. ……….
    …………
    Publicly funded affordable housing must typically be built with labor agreements that dictate construction wages and working conditions, as well as energy-efficiency standards. Funding often comes from a variety of agencies, each of which has its own set of approvals and regulations that can slow construction and add to costs.

    With private financing, “You’re cutting out millions of dollars just in soft costs,” said David Grunwald, an executive at RMG Housing, which is developing the SDS fund’s projects.

    To build affordable housing, SDS raises what is called an impact fund, a relatively low-return private-equity fund with backers that include banks and foundations. ……….

    Though construction doesn’t use public financing, many privately funded buildings would likely still depend on government funds to operate. ……….
    …………
    Privately financed affordable-housing projects also benefit from recent changes in state law and local regulations that have streamlined approvals and raised unit maximums for projects serving low-income residents, transit-rich neighborhoods and the homeless population.
    ………….
    Some researchers who study affordable housing said they worry whether buildings will be properly kept up in the long run by private firms looking to maximize profits from renters with few other options.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (e931af)

  79. The Seattle Socialists who passed a minimum-wage law for delivery drivers are getting a lesson on how capitalism works.

    Local news station King 5 reported that Seattle residents started deleting their delivery apps from their phones in response to the spiking exorbitant delivery prices. Uber Eats experienced a 30-percent decline in order volume in the city, while DoorDash reported 30,000 fewer orders within just the first two weeks of the ordinance taking effect.

    In turn, this decrease in demand directly impacted the pocketbooks of the delivery drivers themselves. A driver who made $931 in a week this time last year saw his earnings drop by half to $464.81 in a comparative week this year. Another reported consistently making $20 an hour prior to the ordinance, only to see his earnings likewise fall by more than half since its enactment.
    […]
    In addition to drivers, those who have been hardest hit include local mom and pop restaurants that have seen delivery orders dry up, and even the city’s elderly and disabled population who often depend on affordable delivery options for meals. One might imagine that progressive politicians would be quick to repeal a law that hurts workers, noncorporate local businesses, and the elderly and disabled all at the same time, but Seattle’s government officials are busy either doubling down or dissembling.

    Laws like this are why the socialists on the city council aren’t running for reelection, and it’s a black mark on Mayor Harrell’s record. The good news is that I’ seeing city workers clearing out tents along the freeways and cleaning up those affected areas, which was long overdue.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  80. Does this suprise you?

    In an attempt to clean up comments he made this week about “cutting” entitlement programs, former president Donald Trump has vowed in recent days that he would reduce spending on Social Security and Medicare by targeting waste and fraud in those programs.

    However, a review of Trump’s record shows that, in the closing months of his presidency, he used his clemency powers to help several people convicted in major Medicare fraud cases, including commuting the sentence of a man the Justice Department had described as having “orchestrated one of the largest health care fraud schemes in U.S. history.”

    If so, you haven’t been paying attention. (And, no, you can’t solve the long-term spending problems with Social Security and Medicare by cutting waste and fraud.)

    Jim Miller (cf0b46)

  81. “surprise” not “suprise” (I can spell fairly well, but I’m not much of a typist.)

    Jim Miller (cf0b46)

  82. Writer Hans von Spakovsky thinks Trump will have a strong case for appeal if convicted in Fulton County

    Judge McAfee notes that testimony given left “the odor of mendacity”

    Spakovsky gives a good short breakdown of why he thinks Trump would have a good chance if he has to appeal, I think its a fair one

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/03/15/judges-ruling-required-willis-wade-leave-georgia-case-wade-left/

    steveg (bfb200)

  83. @59 The Boeing 737 Max was certified by the FAA two months after Trump took office, after being designed and tested since the model was first announced in 2011. So, really amazing that barely two months of Trump deregulation totally destroyed six years of stellar development and testing under Obama’s hands on tutelage.

    That this claim is being made must be some kind of self parody.

    One ironclad rule about DEI is that if it ever does cause safety issues, we won’t be trusted to know about it. DEI is good for everyone, even if it’s not.

    lloyd (c41f55)

  84. @62 You’re failing to note that Biden has been shuttling migrants across the country, though we’re not allowed to know about it. The problems in blue cities are as much Biden’s doing as the GOP’s.

    lloyd (c41f55)

  85. #79 A small point to add to Paul’s thoughts: For those unfamiliar with King 5, it is, to say the least, not particularly conservative. Or open-minded.

    Jim Miller (bbe3be)

  86. They are at it again:

    Senate Majority PAC, an independent group aligned with Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), is spending $2.7 million to elevate Donald Trump’s pick — a fellow 2020 election denier — in a three-way Republican primary on Tuesday. The idea is to help the candidate, former luxury car dealer Bernie Moreno, because he would be the easiest GOP nominee for incumbent Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) to defeat in the fall.

    It’s a replay of the cynical tactic Democrats employed in the 2022 midterm elections. Then, they spent more than $53 million across nine states’ primaries to boost far-right Republican House candidates who had questioned or denied the validity of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election, as well as MAGA-inclined gubernatorial candidates in Maryland, Pennsylvania and Illinois.

    (Links omitted.)

    Will it work again? Only if Republican voters fall for it.

    Jim Miller (bbe3be)

  87. 68, I didn’t know that one could get a gyros in the PNW, I always thunk it as a hog-butcher-to-world Chicago frankenfood.

    urbanleftbehind (94e344)

  88. News outside the bubble michelle morrow north carolina republican candidate for school superintendent calls for violence against democrats and killing Obama and biden. (yahoo news) More bad news for biden and dnc, african-americans not impressed with their calls that trump is a threat to democracy think its more democrat party and media jive. (yahoo news)

    asset (241296)

  89. @58 I am not the intolerant left and lumping those who want a ceasefire and support palestinian rights with a small minority who for radical chic support hamas for short term political gain is counter productive and is already back firing. Israel needs support among young liberals to protect its future if you disagree what would happen to Israel if american support was ended? Young vietnam war protester democrats grew up to take control of the democrat party and media. Even republican populists are holding up aid to Israel as border is more important and are mostly non-interventionist. Think about that for Israel’s future.

    asset (241296)

  90. @62 works only as long as those inundated states and feds don’t retaliate. Liberals like to be punching bags so far.

    asset (241296)

  91. #87 Traditionally, Montana is not included in the Pacific Northwest. But Idaho is, and they still have lots of sheep, whough far fewer than they once did. And they still have Basques:

    The Basque Block in downtown Boise — located on Grove Street between Capitol Boulevard and 6th Street — is home to the Basque Center, Basque Museum and Cultural Center, Bar Gernika, Leka Ona restaurant and the Basque Market. But why does Idaho have such a strong connection with a small region situated between southwestern France and north-central Spain, near the Pyrenees Mountains and on the Bay of Biscay?

    (As far as I know, Idaho is the only state where the Basque vote can be important.)

    Jim Miller (bbe3be)

  92. You’re failing to note that Biden has been shuttling migrants across the country, though we’re not allowed to know about it.

    Fake news.

    Federal Judge Dismisses Texas Lawsuit against Biden’s Immigration-Parole Program
    ……….
    U.S. district judge Drew Tipton, appointed by former president Donald Trump, ruled that Texas attorney general Ken Paxton, who led the multistate lawsuit, has “not proven that Texas has suffered an injury and therefore do not have standing to maintain this suit.” ……….

    “The court has before it a case in which Plaintiffs claim that they have been injured by a program that has actually lowered their out-of-pocket costs,” he wrote in his opinion.

    Paxton filed the lawsuit in January 2023, arguing that the parole policy harmed the state because immigrants participating in the program increased the costs of public services such as health care and public education. The plaintiffs also claimed it was illegal and beyond the federal government’s authority to use parole.

    The program, which began in fall 2022, had admitted more than 357,000 people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela as of this January, the Associated Press reported. ………
    …………
    In order to be approved, people must apply from their home countries, pass a background check, and prove they have a sponsor in the U.S. If approved, they are allowed to stay in the country for up to two years and obtain a work permit. Once in the U.S., they can request asylum or return to their homes after the two years are up.
    …………

    From the Court’s decision:

    To prove an injury in fact, Texas must show “an invasion of a legally protected interest which is (a) concrete and particularized, and (b) actual or imminent, not conjectural or hypothetical.” ……….In the context of state challenges to federal immigration policies, states have historically proven injury-in-fact by demonstrating the additional costs paid across state-funded industries because of additional aliens……..

    Citations omitted.

    If you don’t like the fact Presidents have had long standing immigration parole authority, then Congress should pass a law forbidding it. Oh wait…….

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  93. Will it work again? Only if Republican voters fall for it.

    Magic 8-ball says: Signs point to yes.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  94. Looking for an exit:

    Six months since opening the impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden, House Republicans now face a dilemma of their own making: They currently lack the votes in their divided, narrow majority to impeach the president, but ending their investigation would essentially absolve Biden, a signal Republicans do not want to send in an election year.
    …………..
    …………(House Oversight Chairman James Comer) has long said he expects the final report on his work to include criminal referrals, without specifying who that would include. In an interview on Fox News, Comer indicated how the criminal referrals could serve as an opening for former President Donald Trump if he is elected in November.

    “If Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice won’t take any potential criminal referrals seriously, then maybe the next president, with a new attorney general, will,” Comer said last week.
    …………
    ………… When asked if he believed there is enough evidence to impeach Biden, (House Speaker Mike) Johnson told reporters on Wednesday, “To be very frank with you, very honest and transparent because I’ve been so busy with all my other responsibilities, I have not been able to take the time to do the deep dive in the evidence, but what has been uncovered is alarming.”
    ………….
    …………. While some want to wrap the probe up quickly, others believe there is an incentive to drag this investigation out until the 2024 presidential election to try to hurt the president politically.
    ………….
    …………. Comer has also lowered expectations of what a successful end to the inquiry looks like, insisting his job was never to impeach and pointing to the Democratic-controlled Senate as a dead end……….

    ………. Comer said, insisting, “My job was never to impeach.”
    ………….
    But after 14 months, over 100,000 pages of documents and over 40 interviews including Biden family members, business associates, administration personnel, Department of Justice officials and Internal Revenue Service whistleblowers, Republicans have failed to uncover evidence to support their core allegations against the president.
    …………….

    Given the desire of the Republican presidential candidate and his supporters, it is imperative that the Republicans at least vote out articles of impeachment no matter what their fate would be in the Senate.

    The House Republicans impeached Mayorkas despite the fact that the Senate is unlikely to convict. Why should that suddenly become a consideration for Biden’s impeachment?

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  95. To paraphrase Teddy KGB in Rounders, pay de wooman her monney. The FBI’s time would be better spent finding out who in the system took her two grand.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  96. @92 “Fake news”

    Thanks Rip for giving your comment a headline.

    lloyd (a2f848)

  97. Now that Trump has clinched the nomination, I guess the Democrats care more about getting their left wing out to vote than they worry about repelling the center. Because ask yourselves, between Trump and a Venezaguacan with a baby swaddled on her back selling apples at the stoplight, which does a normal person find more repellant?

    And it gives me a sad.

    nk (821e63)

  98. Here’s the story of a Ukrainian novelist who received a huge batch of old KGB files from the early 20th century, and the contents of those files are harrowing. I think I’ll buy his book, a mystery and first part of a trilogy, and historically accurate to boot.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  99. I just asked myself, and I don’t think normal persons find a Venezuelteca selling apples with a baby swaddled on her back repellant. How do we know she is Venezuelteca though? Is she wearing 1/2 of a sandwich board sign announcing her nation of origin? Are the apples imported? Is the baby a rental intended to induce sympathy purchases? So many questions.

    Seriously though, I think persons have “Trump fatigue”. There are inner city working moms in Biden’s base who would agree Trump is an a-hole but they are more upset that their childrens rec center is closed to the kids after school because it is filled with uninvited non-citizens, some of whom are out in the streets making already difficult neighborhoods worse.

    steveg (bfb200)

  100. @92 “Fake news”

    Thanks Rip for giving your comment a headline.

    lloyd (a2f848) — 3/16/2024 @ 4:20 pm

    Are you saying that Texas did not sue the Biden administration, and did not lose?

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  101. Correction:

    @92 “Fake news”

    Thanks Rip for giving your comment a headline.

    lloyd (a2f848) — 3/16/2024 @ 4:20 pm

    Are you saying that Texas did not sue the Biden administration, or that Texas did not lose?

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  102. Bad blood:

    ………..
    It’s been less than two weeks since Haley dropped out. But the lack of contact (between the Trump campaign and Haley) is indicative of rifts that persist even after Trump officially became the presumptive nominee this week. ……….
    ………..
    ………. A Trump adviser granted anonymity to speak freely confirmed the former president has made no outreach to her.

    “I know he’s reached out to some and others he’s not,” (said Art Pope, the former chair of Americans for Prosperity, which backed Haley). “But as far as the message he’s sending in his public comments and his interviews and his rallies, he has not been very conciliatory, and on the positions and on the issues, he’s doubling down, like on his proposal for the largest tax increase ever proposed by a Republican candidate for president with his tariff tax.”
    ………….
    “At the end of the day, it’s just hubris and this belief that no matter what, they’ve got this, and they don’t need Nikki’s voters,” said a top Haley donor, who was granted anonymity to speak freely. “I think this is all going to end badly [in the general] and Haley will have proven to be correct. Everybody is going to deserve what they get here.”
    ………….
    And Haley’s support is not inconsequential. Earlier this week in the GOP primary in Georgia, a crucial general election state, Haley won 13 percent of the primary vote……
    …………..
    However, (an anonymous Trump adviser said) “It is incumbent on her and her team to try not to be negative against Trump even after they’ve dropped out. … If she endorsed Trump, or actually said some nice things about the party, it would go a long way.”
    ………….
    Andy Sabin, a top Republican donor who supported Haley, said he will be supporting Trump, and he encouraged Haley to do the same.

    “She should endorse him just for the fact that she is keeping her word, and if she cares about the party and doesn’t want to take a chance of Kamala Harris being president she should endorse Trump,” Sabin said.
    ………….
    He said, “It would be wonderful if he could show some maturity.”
    #########

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  103. Now that Trump has been given a pass by the cowardly Supreme Court, he makes no bones about what will happen if he loses again (or if he wins):

    With his general-election matchup against President Biden in clear view, Mr. Trump once more doubled down on the doomsday vision of the country that has animated his third presidential campaign and energized his base during the Republican primary.

    The dark view resurfaced throughout his speech. While discussing the U.S. economy and its auto industry, Mr. Trump promised to place tariffs on cars manufactured abroad if he won in November. He added: “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a blood bath for the whole — that’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a blood bath for the country.”

    For nearly 90 minutes outside the Dayton International Airport in Vandalia, Ohio, Mr. Trump delivered a discursive speech, replete with attacks and caustic rhetoric. He noted several times that he was having difficulty reading the teleprompter.

    The former president opened his speech by praising the people serving sentences in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol. Mr. Trump, who faces criminal charges tied to his efforts to overturn his election loss, called them “hostages” and “unbelievable patriots,” commended their spirit and vowed to help them if elected in November. He also repeated his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, which have been discredited by a mountain of evidence.

    If he did not win this year’s presidential election, Mr. Trump said, “I don’t think you’re going to have another election, or certainly not an election that’s meaningful.”

    Mr. Trump also stoked fears about the influx of migrants coming into the United States at the southern border. As he did during his successful campaign in 2016, Mr. Trump used incendiary and dehumanizing language to cast many migrants as threats to American citizens.

    He asserted, without evidence, that other countries were emptying their prisons of “young people” and sending them across the border. “I don’t know if you call them ‘people,’ in some cases,” he said. “They’re not people, in my opinion.” He later referred to them as “animals.”


    Link

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  104. Here’s a good summary of Trump’s Dayton Debacle.

    1. He plays the J6 Anthem a song by the rioters he calls “hostages.” He praises them.

    2. He attacks Ron DeSantis and compares him to ISIS.

    3. He says he won’t fund schools that have vaccine mandates.

    4. He says we won World War 1 and World War 2 with “forts” like “Fort Bragg .”

    5. He says President Biden beat “Barack Hussein Obama.”

    6. He struggles to say the word “bite” when comparing immigrants to snakes.”

    7. He says immigrants “are not people.”

    8. He says he has been the most unfairly treated President and his crowds are bigger than Raegan.

    9. He struggles to say “Rolling Stones.”

    10. He says Fani Willis is named “Faney…like an ass.”

    Speech ends.

    Video here.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  105. Trump plays to our worst instincts, prejudices, and emotions. He knows what he’s doing. His brain trust understand the need to push buttons. To keep his disciples focused on the villains of the moment. I wonder how this ages

    AJ_Liberty (4ba5a2)

  106. Tim Miller asks a good question of those who intend to vote for Trump:

    People who are planning to vote for Trump next time I have a q. Why do you think you know him better than his
    – VP
    – Chief of Staff
    – Defense Secretary (x2)
    – Homeland Security Secretary (x2)
    – National Security Advisor (x2)
    – communications director (x3) &
    – lawyers

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  107. @97 They better care that when the left comes out to vote it doesn’t vote for jill stein as they did in 2016. The establishment democrats fear trump not the left. Contempt for democrat establishment is what got AOC and the squad elected in 2018. I guess the Israel lobby is not burning any more money trying to find opponents to run against Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tliab now that their districts have voted uncommitted in the presidential primary as most young democrats support ceasefire in their heavy democratic districts.

    asset (f9fa81)

  108. @102 lets see the vote Haley gets in upcoming primaries those will be never trumpers. Democrats will watch in fear the uncommitted vote those will be jill stein votes as will marianne williamson votes.

    asset (f9fa81)

  109. @105 its worked for over 200 years. @106 Tim miller is like posters here. They will answer I don’t care! He hates the same people they hate. Tim miller is a conservative. Trump supporters are racist populists and now some minority men populists joining the trumpsters.

    asset (f9fa81)

  110. No religious freedom in Russian-occupied Ukraine, not when all Catholic priests have been murdered, expelled or jailed. I’ll say it again: Putin is not a Christian leader, and Russia is not a Christian nation.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  111. Paul,

    Additionally, at the rally the announcer said, “Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated [January 6] hostages,” and Trump salutes as the National Anthem begins. IMO, there’s no question that he is saluting the “hostages”.

    Dana (8e902f)

  112. And Trump has 8 more months to rally the insurrectionists. The entire point of 14.3 was that one insurrection was all you would get.

    But it’s dead now.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  113. @106, yeah I don’t get the attraction other than he’s familiar, he amuses them, and he simplifies things down to gut reactions.

    I suppose this is the result of the outsider meme coming to fruition. Trump is the absolute opposite of a typical politician. The meme suggests he will shake up the system. They believe his purported financial success means that he is smart and understands how things get done.

    The problem is that he has no great wisdom, knowledge, or expertise. He’s a marketer that will simply say anything to market himself. He offers only the most simplistic solutions then quickly pivots to finding scapegoats to target, humiliate, and attack. He was out of his depths with managing Covid and had to use Fauci and the Chinese to distract from his own incompetence and complete lack of leadership skill.

    This is just one long con that people refuse to admit to. The notion that “other people” or “government institutions” will restrain him baffles me. Why would anyone want a leader that likely needs to be restrained from his worst impulses and how much trouble are we inviting if that restraint is not there or, God forbid, too late?

    Trumpism is the essence of oblivious governing. We don’t know exactly what Trump will do, how he will do it, and whether it will strain our system of government, we just know he will be better than Biden! It’s recklessness and the opposite of conservative governance. I am still convinced that we will have to break the system to wisen up people who don’t know what that might look like. The question will be how bad does it get and can we weather it?

    AJ_Liberty (4ba5a2)

  114. I have been registered as a Republican since before Trump and have resisted calls to change my registration, arguing that someone had to stay and be an adult. Now, with this latest diatribe, Trump has torn it. I can no longer stay in an organization that condones past insurrections and and promotes future ones.

    The only thing keeping me from changing my registration is the June primary, where I can vote, once more, against Donald Trump. I’m not sure that’s enough.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  115. Gun Ban for Non-Violent Illegal Immigrant Found Unconstitutional
    …………
    That’s the ruling handed down by US District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman on Friday. She found the federal prohibition on illegal immigrants owning guns is unconstitutional, at least as applied to Heriberto Carbajal-Flores. She ruled the ban did not fit with America’s historical tradition of gun regulation as required under the Supreme Court’s landmark New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen ruling.

    “The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Colman wrote in US v. Carbajal-Flores. “Thus, the Court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss.”
    …………
    ………… She concluded breaking misdemeanor immigration laws alone is not enough justification to strip somebody of their gun rights under the (Bruen) test.

    “[C]arbajal-Flores has never been convicted of a felony, a violent crime, or a crime involving the use of a weapon. Even in the present case, Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun solely for self-protection and protection of property during a time of documented civil unrest in the Spring of 2020,” Judge Coleman wrote. “Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants.”

    The Department of Justice (DOJ) argued the modern ban was akin to historical bans on loyalists owning guns during the Founding Era and should stand. However, Judge Coleman found that historical ban included exceptions that imply the ban was based on the actions of individual loyalists.

    “The Court also determined that based on the government’s historical analogue, where exceptions were made that allowed formerly ‘untrustworthy’ British loyalists to possess weapons, the individuals who fell within the exception were determined to be non-violent during their individual assessments, permitting them to carry firearms,” she wrote. “Thus, to the extent the exception shows that some British loyalists were permitted to carry firearms despite the general prohibition, the Court interprets this history as supporting an individualized assessment for Section 922(g)(5) as this Court previously found with Section 922(g)(1).”
    …………
    ………(I)n US v. Jackson, a three-judge panel for the Eighth Circuit upheld the same law at issue in US v. Carbajal-Flores. But the panel also foreclosed challenges to that law based on how it was applied to specific non-violent offenders………..
    ………….
    In Carbajal-Flores, as in cases about gun bans for different groups of people, the DOJ argued illegal immigrants fall outside “the people” and aren’t protected by the Second Amendment. Judge Coleman rejected that argument, as have other courts.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  116. I wonder. Could some of those Trump-hating, weather-controlling, liberal Rothschilds who run Hollywood run a facial recognition on the crowds at Trump’s rallies and see how many of them are members of the Screen Extras Guild? And of those who are not, how many are paid political staff, in Trump’s campaign or in local politicians’ offices?

    I find it hard to believe that you can get so many stupid people together in one place. They have to be people paid to be there.

    nk (e16c68)

  117. Yet another case where the value of citizenship is diminished. The 14th Amendment incorporated the 2nd amendment against the states as a right of citizenship. This decision devalues citizenship once again. How long until illegal immigrants can vote?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  118. I find it hard to believe that you can get so many stupid people together in one place.

    I don’t. There are an awful lot of them. Go look at a Bell curve.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  119. If Trump wins, Kevin, I’ll leave the Republican Party and return to being an Independent (like I was in 2013-2018), because there will be nothing left of the GOP for me to support.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  120. If I leave, and Trump loses, I’ll return. If he wins, I’ll return before 2028, hoping to turn the ship.

    I wonder if the long-lines protest might work in upcoming primaries. There is always a place for “a futile and stupid gesture.”

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  121. Public officials can be held liable for blocking critics on social media

    The Supreme Court on Friday ruled that public officials who post about topics relating to their work on their personal social media accounts are acting on behalf of the government, and therefore can be held liable for violating the First Amendment when they block their critics, only when they have the power to speak on behalf of the state and are actually exercising that power.

    The court’s decisions came in a pair of cases, involving local officials in California and Michigan who blocked constituents who made repetitive and critical comments on their personal social media accounts. ……..
    ………….
    (In a unanimous decision on Friday by Justice Amy Coney Barrett), a government official’s social media posts can be attributed to the government only if the official had the authority to speak on behalf of the government and was exercising that power when he created the social media post at the center of the dispute. ………..(if) involving a social media page with both personal and official posts, making such a determination will require “a fact-specific undertaking in which the post’s content and function are the most important considerations.”

    ………..(B)locking someone from a social media page that contains both personal and official posts could also prevent someone from commenting on official posts. “A public official who fails to keep personal posts in a clearly designated personal account therefore exposes himself to greater potential liability,” she warned.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  122. I find it hard to believe that you can get so many stupid people together in one place.

    Welcome Idiots

    Village Idiots Convention

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ObycvN3DA

    steveg (beaf44)

  123. He was out of his depths with managing Covid and had to use Fauci and the Chinese to distract from his own incompetence and complete lack of leadership skill.

    Trump only instituted “Operation Warp Speed” which developed aa vaccine, (which Democrats cast aspersions on) and helped several other treatments, one of which saved his life.

    Now this maybe can be attributed more to his staff – but he picked the staff,

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  124. 7. He says immigrants “are not people.”

    He (and much of the Republican Party) wants people to think as many of them as possible fall into that category, but he was talking about gang members with tattoos, whom he claimed were being deliberately released from prison by Venezuela and one Central American country (I forgot which)

    You’ve got to be fair.

    Fidel Castro did that in 1980. But he was only trying to get the United States to enforce its immigration laws, so that he would not need to work so hard to prevent people from leaving. Many of these “criminals” turned out to b genuine political refugees, because his people were in the habit of, when one of his officials didn’t like a relationship their child had, of arresting and imprisoning them, as prostitutes if it was an unwanted girl, and for rape if it was a boy. And there were others who had stolen necessities from the government and adjudged not to be real criminals. There were genuine criminals, who had tattoos, but the INS didn’t listen to the people who came with them on the same boat who pointed them out but relied on them honestly admitting they came from prison.

    Another category f people that Castro sent who were inadmissible under U,S. immigration laws were homosexuals (now it’s comnpletely eversed – they qualify for political asylum on hat basis)

    In the end it didn’t do many of them any good,, as they came to the United States only to get AIDS and die. While they would have been much less likely too die in Cuba. AIDS was then unknown.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  125. I find it hard to believe that you can get so many stupid people together in one place.

    Proof you can

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  126. Tim Miller asks a good question of those who intend to vote for Trump:

    People who are planning to vote for Trump next time I have a q. Why do you think you know him better than his
    – VP
    – Chief of Staff
    – Defense Secretary (x2)
    – Homeland Security Secretary (x2)
    – National Security Advisor (x2)
    – communications director (x3) &
    – lawyers

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/16/2024 @ 11:04 pm

    That’s a good argument for the primary, when the nevertrumpers proved absolutely inflexible because … I guess most of them didn’t think Trump was that scary.

    So now it’s Trump, with most of his critics lacking credibility, vs Biden, who has trashed our border.

    Trump is the first who did not preside over a peaceful transition of power, and as I don’t want my kids to grow up in a banana republic, I cannot support him. However, reasonable people absolutely can disagree on that. I think Trump has a pretty good chance of being elected.

    We’ll see if, in 2028, the part of the GOP that never compromises, and tends to have a problem with balanced budgets and social conservatism, learned anything.

    7. He says immigrants “are not people.”

    Paul, I watched your link, and it failed to show that quotation where Trump actually said all immigrants (or any) are not actual people. They played a very short snippet where Trump said something about a snake bite, but I don’t think Trump was saying immigrants are actually reptiles. And I also think it’s important to note the conflation of legal and illegal immigration.

    90% of the time on the video was a far left dude just paraphrasing Trump.

    normally i don’t care. Trump doesn’t deserve an ounce of effort on my part to defend him. He’s a sleaze and a liar who betrayed the Kurds.

    but when you lie, you lose credibility. If this is a campaign to get biden elected, it simply lacks credibility. And it needs credibility, for example, when Trump claims the election was rigged. It is strange to me that Trump faces so many stupid or dishonest attacks. this implies that’s the best ya got. But what it really means is emotion has taken over the discussion, and it’s not about beating Biden. It’s about demonizing his supporters. The GOP needs to figure out why this is happening.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  127. Public officials can be held liable for blocking critics on social media

    This will be quickly misconstrued. All it says is that officials need to keep their official comments off their personal pages.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  128. I’m not sure if the GOP will miss us. We no longer are a target audience. They want angry tribalists that howl at propaganda, cheer Trump’s verbal strength, and jeer at his critics unfairly persecuting him. Hey I can take a hint….along with those retiring from Congress or who were retired as part of the mounting retribution.

    We kind of get neatly defined as Neocons…people who only like starting wars…free traders who screw the blue collar workers while favoring the business class…small government purists looking to cut other people’s entitlement benefits…compromisers who don’t recognize the shear beauty of an impenetrable wall…and who don’t abide the cultural wars…meaning never do a damn thing to fight back against liberalism and wokeism in any meaningful way.

    I certainly think the GOP needed a bit of a course correction following too many years in Iraq and too much time trying to persuade Afghanis to bump up to the 20th century. The Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Cheney theory of shaking the game board and seeing what emerged was ill-conceived. Though we have some saber rattling about Iran, there’s little stomach for nation building or nation crushing. Traditional conservatives are jiu jitsued between wanting our military to strongly oppose Russian and Chinese world influence while cutting our mounting debt.

    Obviously I think the populist critique is crap….and that it remains an untenable agenda ultimately focused on the personality foibles of Trump. The party is morphing into an obnoxious mini-me of Trump…low on character….high on conspiracy theories…and fixated on one’s puffed-out navel. It’s doomed to failure as illustrated by the chaos in the House and the full-court defense of Trump’s lawlessness. If you can’t impeach and convict what Trump did, what would it really take? I suppose we buzz overhead and take note. This cat ain’t following the orange pied piper going over the cliff. Others must like the music and the view off the cliff. All i can say is flap hard…

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  129. Dustin, how do you justify voting for someone who is upfront about calling for mass insurrection if he loses? “Blood in the streets” is not something any politician should be able to threaten, particularly not a politician who has a large mob behind him. I’m sure that you’ll find a way to laugh it off, but at what point do you get tired of being an apologist?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  130. AJ,

    I am open to joining an alternate center-right party. Preferably one without all the “social conservative” statism that Trump seems to have co-opted. It will be interesting to see what they do when Trump comes out for restoring Roe.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  131. “I am open to joining an alternate center-right party.”

    I think most of us here want an alternative to MAGA or geriatric Joe…but no “interesting” candidates are putting their hats in the ring to leave the GOP. Most must view it as burning the bridge, when MAGA may yet fizzle out. Yes Trump looks strong going into 2024, but he keeps opening his mouth and letting stupid come out….and there’s no vaccine to inoculate that. And even if Trump wins, he may yet find he can get impeached and removed….and that most Americans won’t look pleasingly at a more bloody insurrection following that. The plan appears to be to bide one’s time…so Paul Ryan waits….Larry Hogan runs for Senate….Nikki Haley waits for a Trump entreaty….Mitch Daniel drops his Senate campaign.

    I would just say politics isn’t everything…and that accountability will come….however slowly

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  132. Paul, I watched your link, and it failed to show that quotation where Trump actually said all immigrants (or any) are not actual people.

    I know what I heard, Dustin, but here’s a link.

    “I don’t know if you call them people,” he said at a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “In some cases they’re not people, in my opinion. But I’m not allowed to say that because the radical left says that’s a terrible thing to say.”

    Trump is allowed to say almost anything he wants under the 1st Amendment, even dehumanize brown-skinned human beings entering our country that he doesn’t like. But he has said that some, he assumes, are good people.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  133. @132 “In some cases they’re not people” is hardly the same as what you wrote @104, and it’s “dehumanizing brown-skinned human beings” only to those who are put out that Biden called a murderer “illegal” in the SOTU and are comforted that he turned tail and regretted it.

    lloyd (8ba82f)

  134. @129 Trump said he would put Hillary in jail, but when he had the power he didn’t and instead struck a conciliatory tone. We had to wait until Democrats took power to see a president deliver on threats to put his opponents behind bars.

    lloyd (8ba82f)

  135. Joe Scarborough Deletes Trump ‘Bloodbath’ Post After Reply From Elon Musk

    “Donald Trump’s America. And he’s proud of it,” Scarborough wrote in the now-deleted post. “Promised another ‘bloodbath’ if he loses again.”

    “Jan 6 was not a ‘bloodbath’ by any definition and Trump was referring to job losses in the auto industry when he used that word. Your post is extremely misleading,” Musk replied.

    lloyd (8ba82f)

  136. @106

    Tim Miller asks a good question of those who intend to vote for Trump:

    People who are planning to vote for Trump next time I have a q. Why do you think you know him better than his
    – VP
    – Chief of Staff
    – Defense Secretary (x2)
    – Homeland Security Secretary (x2)
    – National Security Advisor (x2)
    – communications director (x3) &

    – lawyers

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/16/2024 @ 11:04 pm

    I can answer that.

    I don’t need to know him better than all them.

    All I need to know, that he’s not amongst the Democratic party.

    The. End.

    fin.

    whembly (5fa28b)

  137. @119

    If Trump wins, Kevin, I’ll leave the Republican Party and return to being an Independent (like I was in 2013-2018), because there will be nothing left of the GOP for me to support.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 3/17/2024 @ 10:01 am

    Very doubtful that he’d win.

    The dynamic is very similar to 2020, and nothing is telling me that Trump will have a better chance the 2nd time around.

    whembly (5fa28b)

  138. I know what I heard, Dustin, but here’s a link.

    That’s the washington post so I’m unable to read it without paying them.

    Do you have a link to Trump actually saying it? Your last link was very misleading, and showed Trump giving some incomprehensible snake metaphor gibberish.

    Remember, your claim is that Trump referred to immigrants generally as not people. That includes his latest wife.

    Dustin, how do you justify voting for someone who is upfront about calling for mass insurrection if he loses? “

    I’m not voting for Trump. LOL! You’re the one who let Trump get nominated, not me. It’s really disturbing you guys were totally unwilling to compromise even slightly on social conservatism because you didn’t think Trump was that big a deal, and now he’s hitler again. This reality, that you totally yawned and let Trump be the nominee, totally undermines the notion he’s worth the kind of compromise you’re asking social conservatives to make. This is 12 years now of the GOP refusing to bridge the gap in the party, which is the reason Trump remains a potential winner.

    Trump is a narcissist who can’t admit he lost an election, and he’s a grifter who will raise money by pretending he won an election he lost. And that’s really bad.

    “Blood in the streets” is not something any politician should be able to threaten

    Did he threaten that? Like Paul’s example, it’s possible Trump was misquoted hysterically, making a metaphor for massive job losses.

    Can you, like Paul, provide a youtube link to Trump threatening blood in the streets? Obviously a good faith clip for you and Paul would be very easy to find online if he said that, and it would not be a snippet with a far left agitator telling me what he said, but instead, just Trump saying it so I can see it myself.

    You guys need to understand you are helping Trump tremendously if you campaign against him dishonestly. By picking a battle you can’t win, you lose by choice.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  139. “I don’t know if you call them people,” he said at a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “In some cases they’re not people, in my opinion. But I’m not allowed to say that because the radical left says that’s a terrible thing to say.”

    Paul,

    Just for clarification, you said Trump said all legal immigrants are not people. And it looks like you’re now saying Trump said the absolute worst of the worst illegal aliens who practice in bad acts (murder and rape and sexual slavery) are not people.

    A crude thing to say. Not productive. And sadly, even the worst criminal are very much still people. They are still like us, and we have to figure out why they did the things that are horrific. But this notion of Chuck Norris style justice is simply nothing like what you claimed Trump said. In fact, I would guess condemning Trump for being too mean to the most vicious criminals would totally help him. It simplifies the problem of Trump to ‘he says mean tweets’. It bothers me tremendously that Ace of Spades type commenters pretend the problem with Trump is ‘mean tweets’.

    the problem with Trump is that he’s an idiot and a sore loser, generally a punk, and he damaged our country with real policy decisions. For one, gracefully handing over power like George Washington would. Two, he spent money and infringed on civil liberties when it benefited him and is no conservative. Three, he squandered great power in his first two years, with both houses of congress – with stupid issues like the size of his inauguration.

    This was a good reason for you to support Desantis, so we would have an option for the presidency who appeals to social conservatives, to those who seek an ethical public servant, to those who want to beat the democrats. The past is in the past, and now we have a choice between two men who are unable. Unworthy barely enters into it when they simply are unable.

    so we get another 7.5 months of hysterical lies about Biden and Trump. Because there’s just no way for either side to make a compelling positive argument. It’s going to be a lot of ‘I can’t believe you can vote for the OTHER guy!’

    Until you guys own up, it’s going to be like this until the country really falls apart. I see the dents, but it’s still a fundamentally great country.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  140. Do you have a link to Trump actually saying it? Your last link was very misleading, and showed Trump giving some incomprehensible snake metaphor gibberish.

    He was quoted accurately, Dustin, gibberish and all. Trump doesn’t provide more specifics to his gibberish, and he never clarifies, so the best you can do is go by his past behavior and his past actions, and his past behavior and past actions are more than enough for me to say f-ck that guy.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  141. Trump got in trouble in 2016 for calling some illegal alien criminals “animals” which the left had twisted into Trump called immigrants animals and everyone ran with it like lemmings

    steveg (beaf44)

  142. @117 hopefully soon AOC needs to be president.

    asset (8183de)

  143. Regarding his “bloodbath” comment, Trump didn’t say it strictly about the auto industry, he said the whole country. And it also speaks to his general failure to comprehend that 100% tariffs can be both inflationary and an economic backfire on an economy, and this from an alleged econ major from Wharton.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  144. Until you guys own up, it’s going to be like this until the country really falls apart. I see the dents, but it’s still a fundamentally great country.

    Dustin (caf05c) — 3/17/2024 @ 7:15 pm

    They ain’t gunna Dustin.

    All the dishonest slices, taking the most unflattering interpretation of Trump’s statements fuels Trump’s martyrdom, and his opponents simply refuses to face that fact.

    Trump’s opponents has had plenty of opportunities to be the “adult in the room”, and they can’t even do that.

    I still don’t think Trump will win…but, if he does, we might as well as turn off all media sites as they’ll lose their ever loving minds over it.

    whembly (5fa28b)

  145. People in AOC’s districts are saying it looks “third world” (some of those people are from third world countries) Trump can’t say something looks third world and he can’t call Haiti a shithole, even though it is one.
    By the way, Russell Brand absolutely excoriates the Clintons and their Haitian Initiative for spending all the money while making Haiti worse.
    Brand claims the Clintons destroyed domestic Haitian rice production and instead locked Haitians into rice grown from- Arkansas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR5vPjrHKOM

    steveg (beaf44)

  146. It’s really disturbing you guys were totally unwilling to compromis

    It’s really disappointing that you continue to peddle the same BS about DeSantis, who blew his chance all by himself when he and Trump had divided the GOP between them. NO ONE ELSE was higher than an asterisk when DeSantis cratered. Blaming it on anyone but DeSantis (or maybe Trump) is just not going to work.

    But maybe more cowbell.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  147. @143

    Regarding his “bloodbath” comment, Trump didn’t say it strictly about the auto industry, he said the whole country. And it also speaks to his general failure to comprehend that 100% tariffs can be both inflationary and an economic backfire on an economy, and this from an alleged econ major from Wharton.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 3/17/2024 @ 7:59 pm

    OUT: “fine people”

    IN: “blood bath”

    Narrator: The this exciting chapter of how to spot a hoax, all you have to do is look at who is perpetuating this story.

    That’s all you need know.

    whembly (5fa28b)

  148. @128 the majority of republicans are populists. The money the donor class used to buy elections ended with mitt $ romney. It is their party now so don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Populists like soc. security and medicare that is why trump beat the 16 dwarfs in 2016. They would rather cut defense spending then entitlements.

    asset (8183de)

  149. Until you guys own up

    It’s not us spewing manure.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  150. @145

    It’s really disturbing you guys were totally unwilling to compromis

    It’s really disappointing that you continue to peddle the same BS about DeSantis, who blew his chance all by himself when he and Trump had divided the GOP between them. NO ONE ELSE was higher than an asterisk when DeSantis cratered. Blaming it on anyone but DeSantis (or maybe Trump) is just not going to work.

    But maybe more cowbell.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:07 pm

    It’s really disappointing that you keep missing the point.

    whembly (5fa28b)

  151. it’s possible Trump was misquoted hysterically, making a metaphor for massive job losses.

    It’s possible he meant that his people would be cleansing the neighborhood, too.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  152. It’s really disappointing that you keep missing the point.

    Which point is that? That DeSantis lost because of NeverTrump? There is no point to be made there.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  153. Here’s what I mean:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-media-keep-helping-trump-by-lying-about-him/


    For those still unaware of the clear and present danger that looms, Trump spoke at a rally in Ohio the other day and apparently threatened that there would be an economic “bloodbath” in America if he wasn’t elected in November. (In other words, he used the same nonsensical and colloquially phrased rhetoric that he has been spouting since roughly 1986.) This of course immediately turned — via Democratic partisans and the media — into the implied equivalent of “TRUMP CALLS FOR NATIONWIDE MASSACRES IN EVENT OF LOSS.” All the headlines emphasize it: “Bloodbath” this, “bloodbath” that (or, if you follow the New York Times style guide, the far more genteel “blood bath”).

    Trump meant no such thing. What he was actually talking about, in his own uniquely inarticulate way, was the urgent need for (of all things) a tariff on foreign-automobile imports. He was prophesying economic doom should he not be elected to impement this remarkably stupid policy initiative.

    Furthermore, to whatever extent that these voters (or the educated voters the Biden coalition is desperately clinging onto) care about “Trump as loose cannon,” they read stories such as this and react with contempt upon realizing that they have been deceived. They do not think, “Aha, now that Trump’s honor has been vindicated, I shall fiercely support him!” (unless they are bots from Macedonia), but they do begin to act like the villagers in the old Aesopian fable about the boy who cried wolf. “Eh, he’s bad, but he’s not bad like they say, and that makes me suspicious.” The media, after years of shrieking about the “normalization of Trump,” are continuing to do just that by setting him up as a defensible victim of their partisan slant. It isn’t just self-defeating, it’s offensive: January 6 was real enough, and enough of an enormity, that any attempt to raise a false alarm about Trump’s rhetoric only diminishes the impact and importance of what he has actually done.

    But, whatever. The media will make their choices. They really just can’t help themselves on a fundamental level, can they? A school of like-minded fish smelled “bloodbath” in the water and the feeding frenzy began. It will be forgotten tomorrow. But the problem is that the media aren’t feeding on Trump, as they seem to believe; they’re feeding on themselves, eating away at their reputations and ability to persuade. Each such example makes whatever it is that they think they’re doing — advocating Biden’s reelection or, I don’t know, just reporting the truth without an obviously partisan slant — less possible. When journalists lament about the death of public trust in their profession, what they fail to understand is that it wasn’t a murder. It was a suicide — and a death by a thousand cuts, at that.

    ALL.OF.THIS!

    whembly (5fa28b)

  154. Exactly, Whembly.

    I agree that Trump is not likely to win. The democrats wanted him nominated, so they united with the GOP to screw over the one decent option, but they are going to hit him hard in October. It’s always a little confounding though. When there’s a really good angle to criticize Trump, he lucks out and his enemies hit him with a bizarre spin on it. It’s like he made a deal with the devil and his enemies are constantly beating themselves up.

    As nk joked in the other thread, the real attack on Trump is that you can’t understand his gibberish from his enfeebled mouth. It’s not that he’s the next President Hitler. He’s the next President Camacho.

    Trump doesn’t provide more specifics to his gibberish, and he never clarifies, so the best you can do is go by his past behavior and his past actions

    So why didn’t you quote him accurately the first time? He simply did not say all immigrants are subhuman. He said the worst of them are.

    What past actions are you even talking about? The dude wanted amnesty and failed to secure the border. He’s better than biden on this issue – sadly by a longshot, and it’s a very very important issue, but when did his actions show he thinks all legal immigrants aren’t human?

    Dustin (caf05c)

  155. Paul says:

    Paul, I watched your link, and it failed to show that quotation where Trump actually said all immigrants (or any) are not actual people.

    I know what I heard, Dustin, but here’s a link.

    “I don’t know if you call them people,” he said at a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “In some cases they’re not people, in my opinion. But I’m not allowed to say that because the radical left says that’s a terrible thing to say.”

    Dustin says:

    Do you have a link to Trump actually saying it? Your last link was very misleading, and showed Trump giving some incomprehensible snake metaphor gibberish.

    Remember, your claim is that Trump referred to immigrants generally as not people. That includes his latest wife.

    I think the claim is the quote that Paul provided from the Washington Post article. You asked if Trump “actually said all immigrants (or any) are not actual people.” Paul responded with the quote. The answer is that he did not say all immigrants are not people, but he did say some are not people. The context is his claim that Mexico is emptying its prisons of criminals and sending them here. You can watch the full rally with as much context as you like. The immediate quote and surrounding context begin around 15:38 at this link.

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  156. OUT: “fine people”
    IN: “blood bath”

    No, whembly, “very fine people” is still out there because there was no video of such people on the night in question but for tiki torch carrying neo-Nazis chanting “blood and soil!” and “Jews will not replace us!”
    Link

    For the sake of this nation, Trump must lose.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  157. Dustin, how do you justify voting for someone who is upfront about calling for mass insurrection if he loses?

    I don’t think Dustin has attempted to justify such a vote. I think he has said he would not cast such a vote. Right?

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  158. @131 conservatives are not in the majority. Our political system gives over weight to smaller populated states who used to be run by conservatives that are now run by trump populists. Pro-choice has won every election to the point that republicans dare not put it on the ballot. Trump populists in many areas are closer to democrats then they are to conservatives. That is why neo-con warmongers are leaving the republican party 1930’s republican party was isolationist and jacky robinson was a republican.

    asset (8183de)

  159. @151

    It’s really disappointing that you keep missing the point.

    Which point is that? That DeSantis lost because of NeverTrump? There is no point to be made there.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:10 pm

    No, the point is this.

    EVERYONE knew what was going to happen if the GOP primary started with a bajillion candidate vying for the top slot with Trump in the mix.

    A candidate getting 30-40ish percent of the vote will win in a crowded field.

    You knew this…

    I knew this…

    Dustin knew this…

    Everyone knew this…

    So, how come the not-Trump primary voters (and I include myself in this), couldn’t get their act together and come up with a plan to address this?

    The fact that we couldn’t, no matter the rationale, means we were stuck with the inevitable and we should ALL own up to it.

    And when I say “own up to it”… I mean, do the self-reflection needed to ascertain the root causes so that we’re prepared in the next election cycle.

    What should’ve of happen, and I’m happy to hear another plan as well, is that the crowded field turns into just a not-Trump candidate v. Trump in the primary from the beginning.

    Be it Nikki Haley…or Chris Christie…or DeSantis…or WHOMEVER! Just pick one not-Trump horse and coalesce behind that candidate against Trump.

    That’s the only chance we had, and we f’ed up.

    We truly deserve the candidate we get. Realize that.

    whembly (5fa28b)

  160. It’s possible he meant that his people would be cleansing the neighborhood, too.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:10 pm

    If this is a serious concern of yours, where’s the sobriety? If you REALLY BELIEVE that the nation stands on the brink, because of so much frustration and anger, where’s the effort to save the country?

    If you’re right, doesn’t that make you also very deeply wrong?

    Dustin (caf05c)

  161. I don’t think Dustin has attempted to justify such a vote. I think he has said he would not cast such a vote. Right?

    Patterico (ed55c8) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:18 pm

    I’m voting for Biden. I’m just super annoyed about it.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  162. The problem is not that it took too long to get to a two-person race.

    The problem is that most GOP primary voters like Trump better than the other people in the field.

    Which is an indictment of most GOP primary voters, pure and simple.

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  163. I’m voting for Biden. I’m just super annoyed about it.

    Well then, once again, you and I see things eye to eye!

    Patterico (d8492d)

  164. I don’t think Dustin has attempted to justify such a vote. I think he has said he would not cast such a vote.

    My mistake. He does defend Trump though.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  165. Having watched the bloodbath thing in context, I think it’s one of those things the guy says where maybe he meant the worst thing people attribute to it, and maybe he didn’t. It’s not like he’s just not the type of guy who would incite violence. Then again, the context (lack of drama, surrounding blabbering about economic stuff) also lends itself to a more innocent interpretation. Me, I would not choose this hill to die on, in making the case that he engages in violent rhetoric, because it risks looking like a Chicken Little situation. But I’m not going to fly off the handle screaming at people who interpreted it that way either.

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  166. Which is an indictment of most GOP primary voters, pure and simple.

    It’s an indictment of the move from Republic to Democracy. In a republic, we choose representatives to study issue and make decisions for us. Nowadays, we skip the issue-studying part entirely and just vote our feelings.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  167. My mistake. He does defend Trump though.

    All I see him doing here is arguing that Trump’s dehumanizing and stupid language be placed in its proper context: not as a clear attack on all immigrants but as part of a claim (probably without any factual basis, but who knows) that Mexico deliberately sends its worst criminals to us.

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  168. Dustin,

    you are correct.

    It is telling though that people who dislike Trump constantly feel the compulsion to lie about him and to make up things to say.

    Why do they need to do that if he’s as bad as they say?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  169. So, how come the not-Trump primary voters (and I include myself in this), couldn’t get their act together and come up with a plan to address this?

    Perhaps we would have. DeSantis started off pretty well and it was his race to win. But then he decided he needed to be more of a anti-woke demagogue and used the State to attack his foes and he lost a lot of people. No one else was getting traction UNTIL DeSantis lost his cool.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  170. @156 Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:17 pm
    Paul, if you had the whole quote, he expressly was not talking about those nazi blowhard.

    See…this is an another example of the media unfairly slices & dices what he says. At the end of the day, it adds more sympathy to the guy who doesn’t deserve it.

    If you don’t believe me, here’s the breakdown:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/the-very-fine-people-trap-and-how-to-avoid-it-today/

    whembly (5fa28b)

  171. The immediate quote and surrounding context begin around 15:38 at this link.

    Patterico (ed55c8) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:14 pm

    thank you!

    Trump is meandering from taking billions from China, but it’s clear he was talking specifically about MS-13 illegal aliens who are serving lengthy prison sentences as the subject of the ‘If you even call them people, they are not people in my opinion” remark.

    Trump is barely making a point, but I disagree that MS-13 affiliated criminals, I assume meaning people who did terrible things to get into prison, are not people. Trump’s statement there is wrong, and even those guys deserve the same rights as anyone else, and the constitution merely recognizes what the government can’t take away (more for the MS-13 guys than for commenters here). This isn’t far from joking about rape in prison, something that really gets under my skin, but also gets a lot of nodding heads.

    This is not a statement that Trump called all immigrants ‘not people.’ In fact, I again question why illegal and legal immigration is conflated, let alone violent gang member from dad wading across the river to feed his children back home. We don’t need to think about the context (which to some extent, is being retold to us by the same people who can’t be straight about Trump’s comments today).

    I never listen to Trump speak. My main reaction to this video is that biden’s cognitive level is lower than Trump’s, and it isn’t close.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  172. I’m voting for Biden. I’m just super annoyed about it.

    I’m annoyed that the Republican Party has allowed itself to be co-opted by a corrupt and incurious individual lacking character and morals, and rather than having the nation’s best interest at heart, he cares only about himself and expanding his brand in any way that he can. I will gladly vote for Biden to keep Trump away from the White House because I wholly believe that our country is strong enough to handle four years of questionable policy decisions that I might disagree with but not four years of having the Constitution trampled by a deranged authoritarian.

    Dana (8e902f)

  173. Paul, if you had the whole quote, he expressly was not talking about those nazi blowhard.

    I examined the whole thing years ago, whembly. There were no “very fine people” on television on that Friday night, where Trump claimed that he saw such folk. This is not unlike his lie that he saw on TV that Muslims were cheering the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  174. Dustin,

    I apologize for thinking you were supporting Trump.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  175. My mistake. He does defend Trump though.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:31 pm

    No worries. I technically did defend Trump… from things that aren’t true – while encouraging arguments about Trump that are a bit more compelling and more easily defended.

    I am really disappointed in the GOP primary, and I have had this problem (expressed on this blog) for over a decade, so I’m sure a few of you are sick of me whining about it. But really. It’s literally the same problem every time, only obviously this election is a billion times dumber than Obama vs Mccain.

    So because of my dismay, I so kinda take it personally that the folks who shrugged at beating Trump are now acting like he is going to end the world. Not just because I don’t buy the sincerity. But because Trump totally did get in the way of peaceful transition of power, and I don’t want my kids to grow up in a banana republic. This is why I won’t vote for Trump, even though frankly I do think it’s not an easy decision, because the stakes at the border are horrible.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  176. I apologize for thinking you were supporting Trump.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:44 pm

    accepted, but I was definitely dialed up too high and don’t really think you owe an apology. It’s all good.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  177. I wholly believe that our country is strong enough to handle four years of questionable policy decisions that I might disagree with

    On the other hand we said the same thing about Obamacare, which is now with us forever. The level of immigration he is allowing will also be with us forever. The economic damage from his wish list would take years to undo. And don’t assume that there will be a GOP Senate to stop him; the filibuster will end before the midterms.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  178. Frankly, much of the whole epoch of the Trump years recording all the real/fabricated scandals just ends up being one big Rorschach Test™.

    Particularly within the political media sphere.

    It’s getting exhausting…

    whembly (5fa28b)

  179. I’m annoyed that the Republican Party has allowed itself to be co-opted by a corrupt and incurious individual lacking character and morals,

    Indeed, Republicans scoffed at Desantis, who has great character and doesn’t live in a Boeing funded palace. They acted like every Trump/democrat meme about Desantis, even very stupid ones, held water. They did this all through the primary.

    And they handed the GOP to Trump, even though they cough cough they cough act like Trump is a danger to the space-time continuum.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  180. It’s getting exhausting…

    whembly (5fa28b) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:49 pm

    What’s going to be exhausting is when some damning evidence comes out showing either side’s politician of the day is horrible, and it doesn’t register with most people as newsworthy because, like the 9/11 attack warning, the context is thousands of false positives.

    Oh wait that’s where we are right now.

    Bill Clinton is the architect of the fake news defense. It almost worked with Monica, and the clintons have kept that defense up through today. Now, enough goobers on Tik Tok and Twitter will validate literally any point of view. And trolling reactions has its own power and lucre. So the news we hear is geared towards a reaction, pro or con, and not accuracy. Damn sure not persuassion. Throw on AI videos (google sassy justice), and the fact both parties have such poor leadership, and it’s going to be very difficult to convince people of anything.

    Dustin (caf05c)

  181. Leave aside all of the Trump’s nonsense in Dayton OH this weekend, there are performative klown kar hacks like Matt Gaetz who are emboldened to say sh-t like this

    “You never know, David — there may be an Attorney General Matt Gaetz down the road, or someone of my liking”

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  182. “You never know, David — there may be an Attorney General Matt Gaetz down the road, or someone of my liking”

    Don’t count Giuliani out either.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  183. I think there should be a law that no campaigning — and no polling — can be done before the election year. By the time we get to the actual primaries, it’s all over.

    Failing that, get rid of the primaries entirely.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  184. Trump likes to say things that could be interpreted in an awful way (which he likely means) or in an innocent way (which he generally does not mean, but can find someone to claim it’s what he meant).

    I just think we need a final solution to the Donald Trump question within the American sphere of influence. And I am hoping that this election will solve the question once and for all.

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  185. I can tell you that when Donald Trump talked about how immigrants were poisoning the blood of our country, it would be a total outrage to interpret that clear nod to Nazi propganda as a nod to Nazi propaganda.

    Because if someone says something that sounds like a nod to Nazi propaganda but they could pretend it wasn’t, you have to go with the pretense or you’re a horrible person.

    (Before the election he’ll end up being asked about it and he’ll say “oh yeah of course that was a nod to Nazi propaganda” and his cultists will be all “and it’s good that he did that!”)

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  186. By the way, Putin is in the process of stealing the election in Russia.

    He deserves to be strung up from the nearest lamp post.

    Stealing elections is an act that carries consequences. And Putin has done more than steal elections, by the way. He has murdered countless innocent people in his bloodthirsty quest for power. He deserves death, and the sooner the better.

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  187. I wonder if Trump has congratulated him yet.

    Patterico (ed55c8)

  188. U.S. government is banned from terminating with extreme prejudice putin. Too bad maybe the ukraine or a russian soldier can do his duty.

    asset (8183de)

  189. Lost in the debate about whether Trump’s etiquette is within bounds is the appropriateness of his proposed tariff policy.

    And further lost is whether it’s a good idea for a President to wield this much power over the economy. Certainly Congress has delegated some of its tariff authority….and Grassley, Portman, and other Republicans have previously tried to take it back…unsuccessfully. Will Trump’s tariffs avoid a Detroit blood bath? To me such moves are a political play covering up for dysfunction in the industry. They have an inflationary effect and our citizens pay more for products. It’s curious to me that the GOP chooses a candidate that wants to go down this path.

    As to Trump’s comments about the humanity of the worst of the worst illegal immigrants, the problem is that most people will not wrestle with the distinction. The rhetorical goal here is clear: enough illegals are rapists, thieves, gang banging drug importers, and mental patients to justify the most extreme counter measures. This point doesn’t get much push back in today’s GOP. Are most illegals “animals” or not? We need an ordered immigration system but we need compromise and general agreement on what that is. Lankford and Sinema started that process. Trump short circuited it.

    The national interest is subsumed by his personal interest…and that’s a common theme. Despite Dustin’s protests…and continued evasion….MAGA and the +60% of the GOP who chose Trump in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina owns this.

    Anti-illegal immigration is likely the one issue that gives us a Trump second term. The country is poised to reject late-to-the-game Joe who has his sanctuary city class to appease. Biden has to fix the problem. People want the cleaver, not the scalpel. They may end up with the long-handled mallet. Trump’s language is intentionally coarse.

    This is NOT the man to lead us. It’s a shame that the GOP and its media arm chose not to reject him….

    AJ_Liberty (a08836)

  190. In caveman days, when the Chrysler hemi was the state of the art, our auto shop teacher showed us how to keep a crack in an engine block from getting bigger. You drill a small hole at each end of the crack.

    RNC Sofa (but she prefers Chairperson) Ronna McDaniel must have taken a similar class at Avenging Angel High. Faced with a fracture in the GOP, she drilled the two holes. Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley.

    And I’m running out of different ways to say it.

    nk (e83214)

  191. @190, name the best, most articulate, intelligent, and charismatic non-Trump Republican. That individual…a bit of a white unicorn….would have also lost to Trump. You and Dustin refuse to see where the problem lies. It wasn’t that Haley and DeSantis were SOOOOO bad that they made Trump look acceptable…or preferable. More than half of the GOP are luxuriating in a cult of personality…perpetuated by a media environment that prizes drama. Nobody was out-drama-ing Trump. The result was cooked. Four indictments and your popularity increases. This is head over heals in love….

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  192. Those cheering an administration going after their main opposition handed conservatives a reason to support Trump. DeSantis never had a chance to get out of the gate. It’s not Republicans who need to square their support for Trump. It’s Nevertrump that needs to come to terms with their full throttle support for a weaponized justice system.

    lloyd (e134d5)

  193. Erm … no. I am saying the opposite of what Dustin says. I am saying something like you’re saying. I am saying that the primary was a sham and a fraud; that Trump had the bulk and the machinery of the GOP establishment in his pocket; that Haley and DeSantis were catspaws and stooges; that their purpose was to block any serious challenger to Trump; and, Trump being Trump, to gift him with a column of cheap wins.

    nk (e83214)

  194. My 193 was to AJ_Liberty’s 191.

    nk (e83214)

  195. In other news, as Glenn Greenwald recently said:
    The most under-reported and under-discussed story of 2023: a federal district court judge, upheld by a unanimous appellate panel, found the Biden WH and FBI committed one of the gravest attacks on the 1st Am in decades by coercing Big Tech to censor dissent online.
    The case is being heard at SCOTUS today.

    whembly (86df54)

  196. I just want to say: props to Dustin for defending Trump here. I don’t like Trump at all but I agree there are some taking things he said out of context in a way that changes the meaning.

    Many elections I find myself annoyed to be having to defend the candidate I won’t be voting for because my side is making unfair attacks (as well as reasonable attacks).

    I too am annoyed to be casting a vote for Biden this election but it’s not particularly close.

    Nate (30f36d)

  197. lloyd,

    Trump allegedly tried to steal an election and allegedly tried to encourage a coup.

    Sorry, those are crimes.

    A weponized DoJ would have started the prosecution on January 21, 2021. Nevertrump needs to figure out why they support a guy who is so inept at properly weponizing the system,

    Appalled (a8d433)

  198. What Dustin aregues for is the smoke-filled room method of selecting candidates, rather than having primaries. That way, folks like Trump can be excluded from the club, and the party wise men can select who is accptable to the donors, and see if the people prefer him/her to the other candidate.

    After 1968, nobody has had the appetite for this method. Though, frankly, this approach has generated as many FDRs and Eisenhowers and Trumans as it has Warren G. Hardings.

    Appalled (a8d433)

  199. Breaking-

    Trump has been unable to get bond for $464 million judgment, his lawyers say

    …………
    “Defendants’ ongoing diligent efforts have proven that a bond in the judgment’s full amount is ‘a practical impossibility,'” the filing said. “These diligent efforts have included approaching about 30 surety companies through 4 separate brokers.”

    Their efforts, including “countless hours negotiating with one of the largest insurance companies in the world,” have proven that “obtaining an appeal bond in the full amount” of the Judgment “is not possible under the circumstances presented,” the filing said.

    The other bond companies will not “accept hard assets such as real estate as collateral,” but “will only accept cash or cash equivalents (such as marketable securities),” the filing said. He also noted those companies typically “require collateral of approximately 120% of the amount of the judgment” — which would total about $557 million.

    “In addition, sureties would likely charge bond premiums of approximately 2 percent per year with two years in advance—an upfront cost over $18 million,” the filing said. That $18 million would not be recoverable even if Trump wins his appeal.

    In all, the filing said, the “actual amount of cash or cash equivalents required ‘to collateralize the bond and have sufficient capital to run the business and satisfy its other obligations’ approach[es] $1 billion,” the filing said.
    ……….

    I’m sure there are sovereign wealth funds (Saudi Arabia, Russia) that could provide the bond. And it’s surprising that someone who is worth $14B (according to Alina Habba) has trouble finding a bond.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  200. So, how come the not-Trump primary voters (and I include myself in this), couldn’t get their act together and come up with a plan to address this?

    Because the number of Trump voters exceeded the number of non-Trump voters by a large margin.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  201. Will Trump’s tariffs avoid a Detroit blood bath? To me such moves are a political play covering up for dysfunction in the industry.

    Well, it’s not “Detroit” you know. It’s Tesla and Toyota and Volkswagen too. The onslaught will be from China, a country which we are busily disengaging with for any number of reasons and probably don’t want to create new dependencies with.

    Tariffs should be looked at as sin taxes. Yes, they interfere in markets, but so do taxes on booze, pot, cigarettes and gasoline. The correct questions to ask is “should there be a tax on this activity?”, in this case buying a slave-built electric car from China.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  202. If this election was about POLICIES, I’d have no problem voting for Trump. But it isn’t.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  203. @198

    What Dustin aregues for is the smoke-filled room method of selecting candidates, rather than having primaries. That way, folks like Trump can be excluded from the club, and the party wise men can select who is accptable to the donors, and see if the people prefer him/her to the other candidate.

    After 1968, nobody has had the appetite for this method. Though, frankly, this approach has generated as many FDRs and Eisenhowers and Trumans as it has Warren G. Hardings.

    Appalled (a8d433) — 3/18/2024 @ 8:47 am

    If there ever was a time to do that, it was this election.

    whembly (86df54)

  204. It’s Nevertrump that needs to come to terms with their full throttle support for a weaponized justice system.

    Because trying to send phony electoral votes to Congress or keeping TS:SCI documents in a disused ballroom is just fine and dandy and should never be questioned!

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  205. that their purpose was to block any serious challenger to Trump

    Who would that have been? Jesus is still not answering his phone, and probably would have lost anyway.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  206. @192: “a weaponized justice system”

    I’m curious if you supported impeachment and removal following J6? If not, why not? If you did support impeachment, then how did Trump go from being unfit to now being fit (and did you complain to your Senator about NOT voting for conviction).

    I agree with Appalled…and Jack Smith….who is not exactly a Fani Willis or Alvin Bragg. He’s prosecuted Democrats and Republicans, and is not a political creature. The sad part of this is that Trump had opportunities to stop events before they crossed the line…and chose not to avail himself. What would be the proper accountability….or do you believe a President or ex-President has no accountability except for impeachment?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  207. After 1968, nobody has had the appetite for this method. Though, frankly, this approach has generated as many FDRs and Eisenhowers and Trumans as it has Warren G. Hardings.

    Harding was selected on the 10th ballot at a brokered 1920 convention. He started out tied for 6th place and was never above 3rd until the 9th ballot.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  208. But I agree with Dustin about going back to the smoke-filled room. I favor having well-informed professionals making the decisions rather than mobs expressing uninformed feelings. It’s why we have legislatures and not just plebiscites.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  209. Rip @199. That is devastating news. It could mean a bloodbath, with the Trump Organization assets on the bidding block, and the appeal moot.

    nk (03785b)

  210. Does the RNC have $557 million in cash in its coffers?

    nk (03785b)

  211. Rip @199. That is devastating news. It could mean a bloodbath, with the Trump Organization assets on the bidding block, and the appeal moot.

    Is it moot? Let’s say that the state puts liens on the assets and begins to organize a sale. Is Trump still precluded from appealing the judgement? The bond is simply to assure payment, but if payment is assured by other means, can he not appeal at that point?

    Let’s even say that his assets are sold at 50 cents on the dollar and he wins his appeal, or greatly reduces the amount. Does he get some money back? Is he made whole, or does his lack of a bond absolve the government from compensating him for losses due to the forced sale?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  212. Should they seize his assets and he is subsequently elected to the Oval Office, I would really not like to be NY or NYC trying to get a dime out of the federal government. The litmus test for federal judges and USAs in NY would be simple. And, what with the filibuster gone, legislation regarding sanctuary cities might carry some retroactive teeth.

    This is assuming that Trump can be vindictive.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  213. I used to wonder about Glenn Greenwald’s mixed political views. But then I realized there was a consistency to them: He was always helping Putin.

    Jim Miller (36b508)

  214. #212 Being a billionaire is a part of the Trump mystique. If his organization collapses, I can see his popularity doing likewise.

    Appalled (a8d433)

  215. @195:

    An effort by two Republican-led states to limit the Biden administration’s interactions with social media companies met a rocky reception at the Supreme Court on Monday, with several justices questioning the states’ legal theories and factual assertions.

    A majority of the justices appeared convinced that government officials should be able to try to persuade private companies, whether news organizations or tech platforms, not to publish information so long as the requests are not backed by coercive threats.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/18/us/supreme-court-social-media

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  216. Supreme Court lets ‘insurrectionist’ ban against New Mexico official stand

    ……..
    The justices on Monday denied Couy Griffin’s petition to consider his effort to overturn the rulings of courts in New Mexico that deemed him ineligible from holding office there ever again.

    Griffin, who was convicted in 2022 of misdemeanor offenses related to his role in the breach of Capitol grounds, was a member of the Otero County board of commissioners until courts ordered him removed later that year. The former Cowboys for Trump founder was an early and vocal advocate of discredited theories about election fraud.
    ………
    “We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office,” the (Supreme Court wrote in Trump v. Anderson).

    Griffin was the first official in modern times to be barred from office under the “insurrection clause” of the 14th Amendment, which was passed following the Civil War to block ex-Confederates from taking the reins of the government they sought to dismantle.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  217. Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 10:24 am

    Free link:

    ……..
    Justices Brett M. Kavanaugh and Elena Kagan, both former White House lawyers, said interactions between administration officials and news outlets provided a valuable analogy. Efforts by officials to influence coverage were, they said, part of a valuable dialogue that was not prohibited by the First Amendment.

    Members of the court also raised questions about whether the plaintiffs — Missouri and Louisiana, along with five individuals — had suffered the kind of injury that gave them standing to sue. They also suggested that a broad injunction prohibiting contacts between many officials and the platforms was not a proper remedy in any event.

    Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused the states of distorting the record in the case. “I have such a problem with your brief,” she told J. Benjamin Aguiñaga, Louisiana’s solicitor general. “You omit information that changes the context of some of your claims.”

    Mr. Aguiñaga apologized “if any aspect of our brief was not as forthcoming as it should have been.”
    ……….
    Brian Fletcher, the principal deputy solicitor general for the Biden administration, argued that the government has a right to speak to social media companies in an effort to persuade them to choose to remove or curtail certain matters, so long as it does not coerce them. He said the test should be whether the government makes threats; bully-pulpit exhortations are protected by the First Amendment, he said.
    ……….
    Benjamin Aguiñaga, the solicitor general of Louisiana, one of the Republican-controlled states that brought the lawsuit, said that the government was coercing social media platforms into taking down posts, amounting to government censorship. He addressed a key issue in the government content moderation efforts of the past few years — what began as attempts to address foreign meddling and disinformation moved to cover speech from Americans in 2020, over an election and a pandemic.

    ………(The attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana) did not dispute that the platforms were entitled to make independent decisions about what to feature on their sites. But they said the conduct of government officials in urging them to take down what they say is misinformation amounted to censorship that violated the First Amendment.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  218. Lawrence H. Summers
    @LHSummers

    We show that if we make an effort to reconstruct the CPI of Okun’s era—which would have had inflation peak last year around 18%, we are able to explain 70% of the gap in consumer sentiment we saw last year. 8/N

    The real inflation rate.

    NJRob (97ee37)

  219. “We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office,” the (Supreme Court wrote in Trump v. Anderson).

    So, the decision was more wrong than I thought.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  220. Trump’s argument regarding the bond is this: He has real estate assets considerably in excess of the judgement, and he cannot abscond with them. If he loses his appeal, the state can seize them or force a sale at that time. What the state and/or the trial court are doing is preventing an appeal by imposing impossible preconditions.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  221. What the state and/or the trial court are doing is preventing an appeal by imposing impossible preconditions.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 11:46 am

    Trump (again) is asking to be treated differently from every other losing party involved in civil litigation.

    As I said above, I’m sure there are overseas sovereign wealth funds that can easily afford to provide the bond, with his properties as collateral.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  222. @221

    As I said above, I’m sure there are overseas sovereign wealth funds that can easily afford to provide the bond, with his properties as collateral.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/18/2024 @ 12:08 pm

    This should be illegal for politicians, as this is how real foreign influences flexes their muscles.

    whembly (86df54)

  223. 207. Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 9:16 am Harding was selected on the 10th ballot at a brokered 1920 convention. He started out tied for 6th place and was never above 3rd until the 9th ballot.

    Theodore Roosevelt probably would have been the Republican nominee in 1920, if he hadn’t died at the beginning of 1919, and then Charles Evans Hughes would have been the nominee if one daughter hadn’t died died in 1920 of tuberculosis after another one had come down with a case of diabetes, and was living on a starvation diet, from which she was later saved by a miracle cure. And the history of the United States would have been different.

    By the way, an unparalyzed FDR was named the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate in 1920 in the hopes some people would be confused about his relationship to TR. He was the only person so far besides Richard Nixon to appear on five presidential tickets (Nixon had 2 as vice president and 3 for president, one lost)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  224. Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 9:30 am

    Let’s say that the state puts liens on the assets and begins to organize a sale. Is Trump still precluded from appealing the judgement?

    Trump can appeal, but the state can start collecting. New York State Attorney General Leticia James has her eyes on a building Trump owns in lower Manhattan.

    Meanwhile. she’s not consistent about combatting fraud, according to a New York Post column by Miranda Devine:

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/opinion/an-irish-society-an-unpaid-loan-and-the-hypocrisy-of-letitia-james

    It all began when James Doyle, a wealthy Georgia businessman with a love of his Irish roots, joined the board of the nonprofit society, whose crown jewel is a rare Gilded Age mansion at 991 Fifth Ave., right across from Central Park and the Met.

    Over the years, financial mismanagement and misfortune had befallen the society, and it was facing foreclosure. So in 2017, the board turned to Doyle for a $3 million loan, structured like a private mortgage. He was told that the Beaux-Arts townhouse was worth $80 million that included
    valuable air rights.

    However, the society only made a few payments and Doyle soon found things weren’t quite as they seemed.

    The society had been dominated for half a century by the Cahill family, and president emeritus Dr. Kevin Cahill was accused of treating the townhouse as his own “private club,” with one of his four sons, Christopher, becoming its “well-compensated executive director,” according to the New York Times. Christopher earned $88,459 in 2020, and between $134,768 and $179,402 in previous years, according to IRS returns.

    Cahill, a tropical disease specialist said to have treated Pope John Paul II after he was shot, reportedly raised the money to renovate the mansion to its former glory when he took over in the 1970s. A stocky man with bushy white eyebrows, he would dress each year in morning coat and Irish tri-color sash to preside over the St. Patrick’s Day parade from its Fifth Avenue balcony. He held a grand annual gala where he would hand out gold medals to the great and the good….

    …The society’s financial woes and dysfunction had reached a crisis point by 2021, when Cahill tried to sell the building for $52 million (later reduced to $44 million).

    He died the following year, and in stepped the New York attorney general, citing a petition she had received opposing the sale.

    She announced that, by state law, any sale of a nonprofit asset had to be approved by her, effectively kiboshing the plan.

    “It’s an amazing place,” James gushed to the Irish Voice. “We had to save it, had to save it … One day people can come in there and enjoy it again.”

    Which was all very well, but Doyle still was owed $3 million.

    The AG appointed an interim board of directors and Doyle was persuaded not to try to collect his money or foreclose on the mortgage before July 2023.

    But by August 2023, he still hadn’t been repaid, so he initiated foreclosure proceedings — and promptly was blocked by the AG, who claimed the mortgage was invalid because he was a board member.

    On Friday, Doyle launched a lawsuit against the society and requested a subpoena be issued against James requiring her to produce a raft of documents, including anything relating to campaign events hosted at the townhouse or any contributions to her political campaigns from the society or any of its members or directors.

    Doyle’s lawyer, Tim Parlatore, alleges that James’ enthusiastic involvement in the Doyle case may be driven by “connections with the Defendant.”

    And he points out the uncanny similarities between his client’s predicament and the notorious case James brought against Donald Trump for supposedly inflating the value of his properties to get a better mortgage, “although her office is now taking a polar opposite position.”

    The lawsuit alleges that Doyle was given “fraudulently inflated valuations” of the townhouse, putting its market value at over $80 million. Cahill and the society’s current president-general, James Normile, “made representations to [Doyle] that the building had ‘air rights’ and could be built, or rebuilt, higher than its current height.

    “In reality, there were no ‘air rights’ and the actual value is closer to $20 million. [The society] made a gross over-valuation” of the townhouse, which induced Doyle to make the $3 million loan.

    “Tish James said, ‘Nobody is above the law,’ which should include Tish James, who seems to have actively aided and abetted in the art of the steal,” Parlatore told The Post.

    “This organization fraudulently inflated the value of their building to induce my client into giving them a mortgage which Tish James is now trying to help these fraudsters avoid having to repay.

    “The theory of fraud Tish James accused the Trump Organization of engaging in is identical to the fraud she is aiding and abetting here.”

    James has come down on the side of the society against its lender, Doyle. And yet, in her signature case of People v. Trump, she took the opposite position, holding that “where an organization inflates the value of a property to obtain a loan, that is fraud, even where the lender was aware of the actual value and was paid in full,” Doyle’s lawsuit says…

    …Parlatore points out that the society inflated the value of its property to obtain a loan, just like Trump was accused of doing, but the difference was that Doyle could not conduct the sort of “sophisticated due diligence” that Deutsche Bank did. Therefore, unlike Trump’s lenders, Doyle didn’t know the true value of the townhouse.

    An even more important difference is that Trump paid back every penny he owed, but the society never paid back Doyle….

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  225. Patterico (ed55c8) — 3/17/2024 @ 10:07 pm

    Because if someone says something that sounds like a nod to Nazi propaganda but they could pretend it wasn’t, you have to go with the pretense or you’re a horrible person.

    It is ? a nod to Nazi propaganda, and so is the term “America First.” But it not because he wants support from Nazi sympathizers, of whom there are virtually none.

    It’s because he is trolling and wants to get verbally attacked.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  226. Jesus take the wheel…

    This is directed to those intending to vote for Biden.

    https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/18/justice-jackson-complains-first-amendment-is-hamstringing-feds-censorship-efforts/


    “My biggest concern is that your view has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways in the most important time periods,” Jackson told Louisiana Solicitor General Benjamin Aguiñaga.

    Jackson expressed skepticism at reigning in the federal government’s unconstitutional censorship pressure campaign because “some might say that the government actually has a duty to take steps to protect the citizens of this country” that goes far beyond simply posting its own speech or engaging in constitutional means of securing citizens from violence.

    “You seem to be suggesting that that duty cannot manifest itself in the government encouraging or even pressuring platforms to take down harmful information,” Jackson. “So can you help me? Because I’m really worried about that. Because you’ve got the First Amendment operating in an environment of threatening circumstances, from the government’s perspective, and you’re saying that the government can’t interact with the source of those problems.”

    This is impeachable.

    This is what happens when you vote for Biden.

    You’ll get more KBJ on the courts pushing inane legal theories, who’ll be on the bench for decades.

    That is a statement that no lawyer and no jurist should ever, ever say without tongue firmly in check.

    Would she hold this same view regarding NYT v. US, which was about censorship of military documents during a freaking war?

    I know I cannot convince you to consider voting for Trump…but, could you consider NOT voting for Biden? Because another 4 years of Joe Biden will only get more constitutionally bereft jurist like KBJ.

    Such that, I would argue, 4 more years of Joe Biden (or any of the current Democrat administration) would entail far more lasting damages than a 2nd Trump administration.

    whembly (86df54)

  227. Patterico (ed55c8) — 3/17/2024 @ 9:59 pm

    Trump likes to say things that could be interpreted in an awful way (which he likely means)

    I think he actually doesn’t mean it – it wouldn’t do him any good – but he does mean to get lambasted for it.

    or in an innocent way (which he generally does not mean, but can find someone to claim it’s what he meant).

    I don’t think he meant anything except to say something which can sound ambiguous

    I just think we need a final solution to the Donald Trump question within the American sphere of influence. And I am hoping that this election will solve the question once and for all.

    Et tu, now what?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  228. The problem is there can be implicit threats – and yet information on a platform may be wrong, or the government has a right to argue with it.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  229. No one is the Ministry of Truth.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  230. Including the Food and Drug Administration.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  231. @220, I would probably agree to that but does the judge have that discretion? I’m not wild about the judgment but have no basis to lower it or create a special case. I suppose my question would be, what can he afford to secure? Negotiate something reasonable based on that.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  232. RFK Jr is reported by the New York Post to have decided on attorney Nicole Shanahan as his vice presidential running mate, for much of the same reason that David Koch was the Libertarian vice presidential candidate in 1980: As a candidate, she can contribute unlimited amounts to the campaign. (certainly for ballot access)

    She is the ex-wife of Google founder Sergey Brin. She earlier paid for more than half of the cost of the RFK Jr. ad that ran during the Super bowl. She is also critical of vaccines.

    The official announcement will be made on Tuesday, March 26 in Oakland, California.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  233. 36. Sam G (74da99) — 3/15/2024 @ 2:40 pm

    Reversion to a status of Israeli occupation of Gaza forever is not gonna work: it’s the same situation as before 2005, and that wasn’t a safe time from my recollection.

    It’s not an ideal solution but Hamas is determined to prevent any other.

    A two-state solution with security guarantees for Israel from the neighboring countries (like Saudi Arabia) would be best. That it is difficult and requires much effort does not change that

    Yes, they should tr to find something..

    – but what it does mean is that those that wish to annex the West Bank and Gaza will be angry, which is also a good thing.

    Is there a danger that they will acquire a veto over the composition of Israeli government?

    Anyway I think Hamas ad Iran wants them to get stronger.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  234. 37.

    A 26-year-old Haitian man, who reportedly entered the U.S. under the Biden administration’s migrant parole program,

    He was vetted but, unlike more illegal entrants, did not have to prove his sincerity by undergoing a hazardous trip.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  235. Glennwald has been in the tank for Putin since at least as far back as when Snowden fled to Moscow, but probably much longer.

    Paul Montagu (bc1004)

  236. Patterico (ed55c8) — 3/17/2024 @ 8:34 pm

    part of a claim (probably without any factual basis, but who knows) that Mexico deliberately sends its worst criminals to us.

    That was what he said in 2016, This time he accuses Venezuela. If anything like that were true, it would be undeniable. Fidel Castro in 1980 offered prisoners the option to get out of jail, provided that they went directly to the United States. And his goal was to stop the Mariel boat lift, which could have ended his regime, like later the fall of the Berlin Wall and the freedom to go to West Germany put an end to the German Democratic Republic.

    Many Venezuelans have left the country over the years, but going to the United States is recent, and the result of marketing and I think many are coming after having resided for years in third countries.

    There seem to be a number who belong(ed) to a certain gang who came too.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  237. Are you tired of the political establishment elites running this country? Had enough of Big Tech controlling your lives? Then vote for RFK’s kid and the Google guy’s billionaire first wife!

    Somehow, that will actually work on a lot of people. Just like the conservative values Bible Belt party going for Donald Trump (because Hugh Hefner was unavailable, apparently) or people who cheer on Elon Musk for stoking vaccine and AI conspiracy theories while he runs a Neuralink business that literally is about putting chips in people’s brains.

    Turd Ferguson (5d7144)

  238. This is not surprising, especially to Patterico, who’s chastised Ms. Heminway on multiple occasions for her hyperpartisan dishonesty.

    Bottom line, Ornato’s January 2022 testimony wasn’t hidden as there was a confidentiality agreement between Secret Service and the J6 Committee. His “Trump offered or ordered 10,000 National Guard” doesn’t hold water because there’s no other corroborating testimony. Ornato wasn’t Secret Service during the time in question, he was Trump’s political appointee (Deputy Chief of Staff) and he acted like a political appointee, not a Secret Service agent.

    Paul Montagu (bc1004)

  239. Would she hold this same view regarding NYT v. US, which was about censorship of military documents during a freaking war?

    Assuming you are referring to the Pentagon Papers case, the Nixon administration obtained a court order against the Times and other newspapers, rather than just jawboning the papers not to publish. In addition, the Pentagon Papers did not disclose any current military operations, the documents were a history She may have hold to her views if a similar case reached the court in the future, since there were three dissents in the case.

    Based on the reaction by the justices to the arguments by the states, it appears Missouri and Louisiana will lose.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  240. This is impeachable.

    No it’s not.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  241. As I said above, I’m sure there are overseas sovereign wealth funds that can easily afford to provide the bond, with his properties as collateral.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/18/2024 @ 12:08 pm

    This should be illegal for politicians, as this is how real foreign influences flexes their muscles.

    whembly (86df54) — 3/18/2024 @ 12:14 pm

    Sorry, I should have labeled as sarcasm; except I wouldn’t put it past Trump. He can also get a loan from Deutsch Bank or Elon Mush.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  242. https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/03/chuck-schumer-is-fighting-to-prevent-hamas-from-being-destroyed-its-disgraceful-he-will-never-live-this-down/

    It’s disgusting what he did. It’s pandering. It’s pandering to the anti-Israel Democratic base, the pro-Hamas vote in Michigan. It is the worst thing he could possibly have done because he’s trying to divide the Jewish community. He knows there’s in the American Jewish community, which is overwhelmingly liberal, he knows there’s some dislike for Netanyahu. And what he’s trying to do, he’s trying to separate Israel and Netanyahu, which has been Biden administration policy. I wrote about this about two weeks ago, that’s where they’re going to distinguish. ‘Well, we hate Netanyahu, but we love Israel.’ Well, they’re in the middle of a war, okay?

    And why do they hate Netanyahu so much right now? It’s because he’s refusing to capitulate to the American President and the American Secretary of State who want Hamas to survive. They do. You can’t read their actions any other way.

    Hamas now exists only in Rafa, four battalions by all counts, which is thousands of Hamas fighters. That’s where the leadership is. That’s where the hostages are. And all of American policy for the last two to three weeks, maybe month, has been to try to bully Israel into not finishing off Hamas. And now Chuck Schumer steps in and picks up that cudgel and he hits Netanyahu over the head. And why is he hitting net over the head? Is because he’s been too uncompromising.

    I think there’s going to be a huge, there is a huge backlash to this. I think what Schumer did is disgraceful. He’s trying to walk it back.

    Too late, Chuck, you will not walk it back. Your legacy will be that you betrayed not just the Jewish people, but you betrayed Western civilization and your own country with these comments at a critical moment in history. Because let’s face it, the people Israel is fighting in Gaza and elsewhere are enemies of the United States. They are enemies of Western civilization.

    What they did on October 7th, they would do to us in a heartbeat if they could. And Chuck Schumer is fighting to prevent them from being destroyed. It’s disgraceful. He will never live this down.

    Completely true.

    Biden and Schumer have become pro-Hamas because the radicals in their party dictate policy. May they suffer for eternity for their evil.

    NJRob (50c7c9)

  243. Does the RNC have $557 million in cash in its coffers?

    nk (03785b) — 3/18/2024 @ 9:29 am

    clearly not, or it would have “loaned” it to Trump.

    DRJ (c673a9)

  244. Three years ago, Deutsch Bank said it would no longer do business with Trump.

    DRJ (c673a9)

  245. More about Murthy v. Missouri:

    ………
    Lower courts have largely sided with the plaintiffs, but the high court during oral arguments on Monday voiced more sympathy with the Biden administration’s defense.

    ………(J)ustices across the spectrum expressed skepticism that the government’s interactions with the platforms, even if heated, amounted to official restraint.
    ………
    “It’s probably not uncommon for government officials to protest an upcoming story on surveillance or detention policy and say, ‘If you run that, it’s going to harm the war effort and put Americans at risk,’” said (Justice Brett Kavanaugh), who served in the George W. Bush White House when surveillance and detention policies were front-page news.
    ……..
    Justice Amy Coney Barrett asked Aguiñaga if the Federal Bureau of Investigation could ask a platform to take down posts “doxing” public officials—that is, disclosing their home addresses or other personal details with an implicit suggestion of harming them.

    “When the government is identifying a specific viewpoint and specific content that it wishes to wholly eliminate from public discourse, that’s where the First Amendment problem arises,” Aguiñaga said.
    ………….

    More:

    ………
    Justice Elena Kagan – who served in the Clinton administration – chimed in, telling Aguinaga that his argument appeared to be an “extremely expansive one.” Like Kavanaugh, she noted, “I have some experience with encouraging press to suppress their own speech.” “I mean,” she said, “this literally happens thousands of times a day in the federal government.”
    ……….
    Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson outlined a hypothetical TikTok challenge involving teenagers jumping out of progressively higher windows, leading to serious injuries and even death. Could the government, she asked Aguinaga, “call the platforms and say: This information that you are putting up on your platform is creating a serious public health emergency, we are encouraging you to take it down?”

    Aguinaga agreed that the government could call the platforms to flag the TikTok challenge as a problem, but he added that “the moment that the government tries to use its ability as the government and its stature as the government to pressure them to take it down, that is when you are interfering with the third party’s speech rights.”
    ……….
    In an earlier response to a question from Barrett, Aguinaga described himself as a “First Amendment purist,” such that “even mild encouragement” from the government would be enough to create a First Amendment violation. But that line may prove to be too much for this court.
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  246. Three years ago, Deutsch Bank said it would no longer do business with Trump.

    DRJ (c673a9) — 3/18/2024 @ 2:47 pm

    I’m sure they would go back on their word (which isn’t worth anything) and do so for a high price. Too bad the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (aka Bank of Crooks and Criminals International) isn’t around. They would the money in a heartbeat, with no questions asked.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  247. Correction:

    Too bad the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (aka Bank of Crooks and Criminals International) isn’t around. They would lend the money in a heartbeat, with no questions asked.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/18/2024 @ 2:59 pm

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  248. Is the right way to describe these protests as “pro-Palestinian protests”? (As the WaPo did today, like every other news organization I’ve seen. After all, Hamas does not represent all Palestinians.)

    Possible alternatives: pro-Gazans
    pro-Hamas
    pro-terrorist

    I think “pro-Hamas” is the alternative I prefer, but can see arguments for any of the four.

    (There have been some large protests in this aea, one of them even shut down the the main north-south route through Seattle, I-5, for hours.)

    Jim Miller (ca3e99)

  249. Senator Manchin thinks we shoudl be proud of these statistics:
    “Here are some statistics we ought to be proud of: In 2023, the United States produced a record 38 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, 4.7 billion barrels of crude oil and 238 million megawatt-hours of solar. This is more than at any other time in history, including during the Trump administration. In 2016, we were exporting almost zero LNG; seven years later, our peak capacity is around 14 billion cubic feet per day. This past week, analyses from J.P. Morgan and the Energy Information Administration confirmed that American energy is booming. No other country in history has produced as much oil and gas as the United States is producing today.”
    (Links omitted.)
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/18/manchin-energy-independence-biden/

    I agree. (Now, if we can just get some of the same progress on nuclear energy, the future will be even brighter, for us, and the world.)

    Jim Miller (ca3e99)

  250. https://thefederalist.com/

    This is neither related to the Federalist Society, or to the old Federalist Party, or to those writing as “The Federalist” in 1790. It’s pretty much just the high end of MAGA.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  251. RFK Jr is reported by the New York Post to have decided on attorney Nicole Shanahan as his vice presidential running mate

    How much of the Silicon Valley measles outbreak was her fault?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  252. Then vote for RFK’s kid and the Google guy’s billionaire first wife

    Because she knows all the dirt!

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  253. A two-state solution with security guarantees for Israel from the neighboring countries (like Saudi Arabia) would be best. That it is difficult and requires much effort does not change that

    It would require a dismantling of the West Bank settlements, which is a show-stopper for Likud.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  254. @191 I have been posting this for many years: the majority of republicans are trump populists not traditional conservatives. Hope yoy have better luck then I have had.

    asset (7c4c22)

  255. Deutsch Bank said it would no longer do business with Trump.

    Hitler was bad enough and they still remember not being able to gamble at Rick’s.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  256. No other country in history has produced as much oil and gas as the United States is producing today.

    Well, sure. No one wants to have it on hand when AOC outlaws it.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  257. @196 funny conservatives voting for biden and I a democrat (down ballot) will be voting tomorrow for marianne williamson and in november third party (jill stein)

    asset (7c4c22)

  258. @200 exactly.

    asset (7c4c22)

  259. It looks like the Supremes are going to side with the NRA against New York. The ACLU is representing the NRA in a case where the NY banking regulator made it clear that regulated entities should not work with the NRA if they knew what was good for them.

    Free link: https://wapo.st/4afJkMu

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  260. @233 solution for gaza pay egypt $$$$$$$ to annex gaza and have their soldiers keep hamas out. If you got a better solution lets here it. Egypt say no ;but enough money and military supplys will get them to say maybe.

    asset (7c4c22)

  261. @248 Most protesters are pro-palestinian and for ceasefire. While it is fun for netanhayu supporters to label them pro hamas/terrorists as conservatives labeled anti-vietnam war protesters communists and traitors. When these young activists grow up and run the country the pro Israel lobby will rue the day they started this. It is already backfiring as the bottle deposit crook is sending a delegation to washington about rafah as biden can’t take the heat from the grown up vietnam war protesters. Think about Israel’s long term future which isn’t we will just nuke everybody.

    asset (7c4c22)

  262. @242 NJ Robb netanyahu/likud racist party is not the majority of opinion in Israel where biden’s numbers are better then the bottle deposit crooks. Netanyahu dare not hold an election because he would lose badly. Joe walsh: Nixon’s at bat playing it day by day! Time to change the batter. Paul mccarthy: we all chip in for a bag a cement. Tricky dick resigned so can netanyahu.

    asset (7c4c22)

  263. @259 looks like AOC will have to become president to get rid of the nra. ACLU doing its job.

    asset (7c4c22)

  264. FIFY:

    Most protesters are pro-palestinian and for ceasefire.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  265. Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 4:27 pm

    This is what government coercion looks like, not what was described in Murthy v. Missouri.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  266. That anti-Vietnam war protester generation is currently Trump’s most MAGA voting bloc. And it only took them like 12 years before they switched from commie hippies to Gordon Gekko acolytes.

    Likewise, something tells me today’s young college activists who are vowing politicians will “rue the day” they failed to support a pro-Palestinian solution aren’t exactly going to prioritize that on their political to do list when they’re 40.

    Turd Ferguson (58c36a)

  267. What Dustin aregues for is the smoke-filled room method of selecting candidates, rather than having primaries. That way, folks like Trump can be excluded from the club, and the party wise men can select who is accptable to the donors, and see if the people prefer him/her to the other candidate.

    After 1968, nobody has had the appetite for this method. Though, frankly, this approach has generated as many FDRs and Eisenhowers and Trumans as it has Warren G. Hardings.

    Appalled (a8d433) — 3/18/2024 @ 8:47 am

    Interesting comment.

    Failing to have a little intelligent infrastructure (that then appeals democratically) means the GOP is forcing the populists to figure it out.

    But really, half the comment is just wrong. The GOP absolutely had an appetite for this method this year. That’s what Nikki Haley was. She was a rejection of populism, and a refusal to coalesce around a viable alternative to Trump.

    and here we are.

    So I guess you can ignore that reality, while also pretending you were above the fray. But the country is left with Trump vs Biden* and as I keep saying, that was totally avoidable.

    *if the dems actually run Biden. They do not mind the smoke-filled room thing at all.

    Dustin (c1324d)

  268. Offering assets that you have been convicted of falsifying as collateral for an appeal bond from that conviction. The Art Of The Chutzpah?

    nk (f87d65)

  269. This is what government coercion looks like, not what was described in Murthy v. Missouri.

    Something everybody said.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  270. Offering assets that you have been convicted of falsifying as collateral for an appeal bond from that conviction. The Art Of The Chutzpah?

    Refusing to reconsider your woefully low estimates of real estate value as an excuse to avoid having those valuations reviewed.

    Counter-chutzpah.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  271. In other news, as Glenn Greenwald recently said:
    The most under-reported and under-discussed story of 2023: a federal district court judge, upheld by a unanimous appellate panel, found the Biden WH and FBI committed one of the gravest attacks on the 1st Am in decades by coercing Big Tech to censor dissent online.
    The case is being heard at SCOTUS today.

    LOL Gleen Grenwald.

    Sounds like that argument did not go well for the whiners trying to prevent government officials from exercising their own free speech rights. Sad!

    Patterico (74e40d)

  272. Rick Ellensburg hardest hit

    Patterico (74e40d)

  273. Dustin, I am sure that when Trump loses, MAGA will trot out those same arguments to blame NeverTrump and Haley for Trump losing rather than looking at why they did not close the deal on those votes.

    Pretty much the same error that you are making.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  274. https://thefederalist.com/

    This is neither related to the Federalist Society, or to the old Federalist Party, or to those writing as “The Federalist” in 1790. It’s pretty much just the high end of MAGA.

    It is the abode
    Of that toad
    Mollie Hemingway.

    One of the most dishonest pieces of trash out there.

    Patterico (74e40d)

  275. RIP Air Force Lt. General (ret.) and former astronaut Thomas Stafford (93):

    ………
    A member of NASA’s second class of astronauts selected in 1962, Stafford made four flights into space. His contributions to space exploration continued far beyond his career as an astronaut, up until the time of his death.
    ………
    Stafford’s first flight assignment was canceled while he and Gemini 6 mission commander Walter “Wally” Schirra were sitting on the launch pad. Set to lift off on Oct. 25, 1965, the two astronauts were tasked with performing a rendezvous with the upper stage of an Atlas-Agena rocket, but their target never reached orbit.

    “We could hear it thunder off down the pad,” said Stafford in a 1997 NASA oral history interview. “When the Agena lifted off, they had made some changes to have an oxidizer fuel lead-in change, and it did it wrong, and the thing lifted off and blew [up] over the Atlantic Ocean.”

    NASA managers quickly made new plans to launch Schirra and Stafford on an alternate Gemini 6A mission to rendezvous with the Gemini 7 spacecraft crewed by Frank Borman and Jim Lovell.

    “We’d never done that before, had two spacecraft go,” said Stafford.
    …………
    On Dec. 12, 1965, eight days after the Gemini 7 crew had made it into orbit, the Titan II rocket carrying Schirra and Stafford ignited its twin nozzle LR87 engine and then, 1.5 seconds later, shut down. Mission rules stated that the astronauts should have ejected from the capsule, but sensing no movement, Schirra decided not to abort.

    His quick thinking not only saved Gemini 6A launch vehicle, which successfully lifted off just three days later, but also may have spared his and Stafford’s lives.

    “It turns out … had we had [ejected, we] would have been two Roman candles going out, because we were [in] 15 or 16 psi pure oxygen, soaking in that for an hour and a half,” Stafford said. “With that fire going off like that, it would have burned [our] suits.”
    ……….
    Five months later, Stafford’s second mission began almost just like his first, with the failed launch of an Agena target vehicle. NASA had learned from its earlier errors, though, and had an alternate ready to go, the Augmented Target Docking Adapter (ATDA), built from the reentry control section of a Gemini.

    The Gemini 9A mission launched on June 3, 1966, with Stafford as commander and Gene Cernan as pilot.
    ………..
    Three years later, on May 18, 1969, Stafford, Cernan and John Young launched together on a “dress rehearsal” for the first moon landing.

    Led by Stafford as the mission’s commander, the Apollo 10 astronauts were only the second crew in history fly to the moon. Once in lunar orbit, Stafford and Cernan moved into the lunar module “Snoopy” and closed the hatch on Young, who remained inside the command module “Charlie Brown.”

    Stafford was at Snoopy’s controls as he and Cernan came within just 7.8 miles (14.4 kilometers) of the moon’s surface, the point at which a powered descent for a touchdown would begin on the landing mission to follow.

    It could have taken just the flip of a couple of switches for Stafford and Cernan to become the first humans on the moon.

    “They wanted me to,” said Stafford of the possibility of conducting a landing on Apollo 10, “but first we looked at the weight. I had a heavy-weight lunar module, number one, and number two, they also didn’t have the software all worked out for that power descent. So, there’s no way I could have done it.”
    ………..
    Returning to Earth on May 26, 1969, Stafford, Cernan and Young achieved a maximum velocity of 24,791 miles per hour (39,897 kilometers per hour), a record that still stands for the fastest speed at which any humans have travelled.

    Stafford’s fourth and final spaceflight was as the U.S. crew commander of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP), the first joint mission flown by the United States and Russia (then the Soviet Union). The mission included the launch of a Russian Soyuz spacecraft with two cosmonauts aboard and an Apollo command module with a specially-built docking adapter and three NASA astronauts.
    …………
    Before being assigned to Gemini 6, Stafford served as the backup pilot for Gemini 3, the first crewed mission of the two-seat spacecraft. He later served as the backup commander for Apollo 7, the first crewed launch of the command module.

    Between his flights on Gemini 9A and Apollo 10, from August 1966 to October 1968, Stafford headed the mission planning analysis and software development responsibilities for the astronaut group for Project Apollo. As the lead member of the group, he helped formulate the sequence of missions that led to the first lunar landing mission.

    As astronaut project manager, Stafford demonstrated and implemented the theory of a pilot manually flying the Saturn V booster into orbit and the translunar injection maneuver.
    ………….
    Stafford retired from NASA on Nov. 1, 1975 and three days later assumed command of the U.S. Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards Air Force Base in California. On May 1, 1978, he became the deputy chief of staff for research, development and acquisition at U.S. Air Force headquarters in Washington, DC.

    It was during this time that Stafford initiated the F-117A stealth fighter. In 1979, he wrote the initial desired specifications on and started the advanced technology bomber ATB development, now designated as the B-2 “stealth bomber.” He also initiated the AGM-129 Stealth Cruise missile.
    …………
    In 1990, at the invitation of the White House, he began serving on panels shaping the future direction of NASA’s human spaceflight programs.

    He chaired the Synthesis Committee, establishing a plan for lunar and Mars missions, and led the group overseeing the first Hubble Space Telescope servicing mission. He worked as an advisor on Space Station Freedom, the precursor to the International Space Station, and consulted on the Shuttle-Mir program and its series of joint missions. Stafford also co-chaired the task group working to return the shuttle to flight after the loss of the STS-107 crew aboard Columbia in 2003.
    ………..
    For his service to the U.S. space program, Stafford was awarded the NASA Distinguished Service Medal, the NASA Exceptional Service Medal, the Harmon International Aviation Trophy, the Society of Experimental Test Pilots James H. Doolittle Award, the Congressional Space Medal of Honor and the Russian Medal “For Merit in Space Exploration,” among many other honors.
    ………..

    Ad Astra!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  276. Breaking-

    Trump has been unable to get bond for $464 million judgment, his lawyers say

    jerryseinfeldpopcornthatsashame.gif

    Patterico (d8492d)

  277. It’s comments like that that make people think “lawfare.”

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  278. One of the reasons why our judicial system works is that no single judge has the final say. Obstacles to review of trial courts are an affront to our system. Of course, scoundrels hate the light. You can point at Trump, sure, but Ms James is a scoundrel too, and Judge Erdogan seems her willing tool. Mar-a-Lago is not worth a mere $18 million and the judge knows it.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  279. Sad!

    Former Trump White House adviser Peter Navarro must report to prison on Tuesday as scheduled, after the Supreme Court on Monday denied the stay of his sentence.

    Chief Justice John Roberts, in a short opinion, wrote that he saw “no reason to disagree” with lower courts, which also rejected Navarro’s request.

    Navarro’s appeal on the merits remains pending, but he will have to begin serving his (four month) sentence in the meantime.
    ………
    Navarro on Friday filed an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court in an attempt to remain out of prison as he works to overturn his conviction.

    In his filing to the Supreme Court, Navarro’s attorney Stanley Woodward argued Navarro “is indisputably neither a flight risk nor a danger to public safety should he be released pending appeal.”
    ………..
    Navarro would become the first former Trump adviser to report to prison for actions related to the Jan. 6 attack.
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  280. Appeals as of right, even in criminal cases, are a second half of the 20th century phenomenon; and I suspect that half the reason for the growth of appellate courts is the perpetual realignment of the spoils system to create new positions for political cronies (ad their wives and children) as the former jobs available become obsolescent.

    nk (f87d65)

  281. Mar-a-Lago is not worth a mere $18 million and the judge knows it.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 5:58 pm

    At the risk of sounding pedantic (😉), the $18M figure cited by Judge Engoron is the low end of MAL’s property tax assessments by Palm Beach County. In 2020 Trump conceded that MAL’s assessed valuation was $26M. It’s certainly not worth Trump’s estimate of 1-1.5 billion.

    The problem is that MAL cannot be assessed as a private residence, because Trump signed away his rights in 1995 to maintain the property as a social club in perpetuity, which considerably devalues the property. Also, in 2002 Trump signed an easement with the National Trust for Historic Preservation which restricts the ability to renovate the house and forecloses development of the property into multiple single family homes. By signing the 2002 deed, Trump received a significantly lower property tax rate.

    The fraud involving MAL was that Trump and his associates valued MAL as if it was an unrestricted single family residence.

    Sourcepp. 36, 66-67.

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  282. @271

    In other news, as Glenn Greenwald recently said:
    The most under-reported and under-discussed story of 2023: a federal district court judge, upheld by a unanimous appellate panel, found the Biden WH and FBI committed one of the gravest attacks on the 1st Am in decades by coercing Big Tech to censor dissent online.
    The case is being heard at SCOTUS today.

    LOL Gleen Grenwald.

    Sounds like that argument did not go well for the whiners trying to prevent government officials from exercising their own free speech rights. Sad!

    Patterico (74e40d) — 3/18/2024 @ 5:30 pm

    Sad coming from you Pat…

    The idea of concerted coordination between government entities and big tech should send chills to any 1st amendment supporters.

    whembly (159625)

  283. @281

    Mar-a-Lago is not worth a mere $18 million and the judge knows it.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 5:58 pm

    At the risk of sounding pedantic (😉), the $18M figure cited by Judge Engoron is the low end of MAL’s property tax assessments by Palm Beach County. In 2020 Trump conceded that MAL’s assessed valuation was $26M. It’s certainly not worth Trump’s estimate of 1-1.5 billion.

    The problem is that MAL cannot be assessed as a private residence, because Trump signed away his rights in 1995 to maintain the property as a social club in perpetuity, which considerably devalues the property. Also, in 2002 Trump signed an easement with the National Trust for Historic Preservation which restricts the ability to renovate the house and forecloses development of the property into multiple single family homes. By signing the 2002 deed, Trump received a significantly lower property tax rate.

    The fraud involving MAL was that Trump and his associates valued MAL as if it was an unrestricted single family residence.

    Sourcepp. 36, 66-67.

    Rip Murdock (3229f4) — 3/18/2024 @ 8:34 pm

    Here’s the problem with this.

    What the property is worth, meaning what Trump could get for someone ELSE to take it off is hand, has absolutely ZERO to do with the property tax assessment.

    Zero.

    The idea that he’d “only” get $26 million is laughable.

    I dunno if he’d get 1 – 1.5 billion, but it’s not that outrageous when you consider the comp. He could certainly get half that for sure, but he’s setting the market with this property.

    whembly (159625)

  284. There’s really only one way to know for sure what Trump’s beach and country club is worth, whembly, and that’s for him to put it on the market, but any prospective buyer is going to have to deal with the building being on the National Historic Register, which means it can’t torn down or modified to any serious degree.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  285. In 2020 Trump conceded that MAL’s assessed valuation was $26M. It’s certainly not worth Trump’s estimate of 1-1.5 billion.

    It is pretty sophomoric of the judge to use that inflated price to justify lowballing it. Remember, the amount of the judgement was based on the degree of “fraud” involved, and the judge is being as fraudulent as Trump in using an assessor’s value which is nearly always low, often low by law. The house I sold in Los Angeles went for 4 times the assessed valuation.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  286. National Historic Register, which means it can’t torn down or modified to any serious degree.

    Go read the wiki and you will realize this is a load of crap. It was on the market for $20 million WHILE on the Register, with an expectation that it would be demolished and the site parceled out for several homes. Trump bought it (for $10 million in 1985) and then ripped it apart and remodeled.

    Now, I ask you, what property in a desirable location that was purchased for $10 million 40 years ago is worth $20 million today? Try a factor of 15 or 20. The judge knows this,m but he’s such a pipsqueak that he lowballed it out of hatred for Trump. That’s not to say that hatred is not understandable, but judges shouldn’t succumb.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  287. A fair number is circa $400 million. Again, the amount of the judgement depends on these numbers.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  288. The idea of concerted coordination between government entities and big tech should send chills to any 1st amendment supporters.

    So, if the NY Times is publishing that the D-Day landing will be next Tuesday at Normandy, the President cannot pressure them to hold off?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  289. From the Wiki:

    In 2022, Forbes estimated the value of the estate at around $350 million.[24] Forbes said that ‘Real estate experts outside of Palm Beach guessed that the place was worth more than $200 million. Brokers on the island thought it could be worth far more, with the most aggressive estimate coming in at $725 million. When Forbes last valued the property in March, we went with a conservative $350 million.’ In a 2022 lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James, it was alleged that Trump inflated the value of Mar-a-Lago to $739 million, when the property should actually be valued at $75 million

    The problem with valuation here is that insurance coverage has to be based on replacement cost, otherwise why bother? But the judge complains about the coverage because its so much higher than the book value.

    The deed restriction and other Registry issues have been repeatedly circumvented before, even on this property by previous owners. If it burned down and cost $200 million to rebuild, but could only be run as a club, it would remain ruins. Except it wouldn’t. The restriction would be removed and it would become pricey houses.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  290. @266 Both trump populists and democrat progressives are non-interventionists from the vietnam war generation. Neo-cons from that generation are without a party. Who does mark levin represent in his generation? Biden is being challenged by progressive base and is running scared. Most of the anti-war protesters put a save the whales bumper sticker on their BMW as they grew up.

    asset (086f63)

  291. @267 Biden’s problem is enough democrats don’t like a biden or clinton foisted on them and in 2016 patiently waited in voting line to vote for Jill Stein or in michigan where democrats voted down ballot for democrats ;but 80,000 left president line blank and 55,000 voted green party. In 2020 over 100,000 democrats voted uncommitted and 40,000 voted for others.

    asset (086f63)

  292. Is all that on the record? Did Trump’s lawyers present those valuations to Engoron through competent and credible testimony and documentation?

    Or is this what is on the record?

    Trump says Jews who vote for Democrats ‘hate Israel’ and their religion

    Trump, who last week became the Republican Party’s presumptive nominee, went on to charge: “Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion. They hate everything about Israel and they should be ashamed of themselves because Israel will be destroyed.”

    Did Trump try to persuade the court or did he just oink-oink for the MAGA sty? Trump has no credibility except with morons.

    nk (f87d65)

  293. “Oink-oink for the MAGA sty.”

    Hmm.
    — I’ll take Trump for $600, Alex.
    — Here is the clue: “Oink-oink for the MAGA sty.”
    — What is anything Trump says?
    — That is correct.

    nk (f87d65)

  294. Now, I ask you, what property in a desirable location that was purchased for $10 million 40 years ago is worth $20 million today? Try a factor of 15 or 20.

    Like I said, there’s one way to know for sure, and that’s test it on the open market.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  295. @288

    The idea of concerted coordination between government entities and big tech should send chills to any 1st amendment supporters.

    So, if the NY Times is publishing that the D-Day landing will be next Tuesday at Normandy, the President cannot pressure them to hold off?

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 11:35 pm

    That’s not coordination this case is talking about, and I would appreciate you stop these dumb games.

    The coordination this case is about is government back-channeling suppression requests over things like covid / lockdown / government malfeasance opinions.

    whembly (86df54)

  296. A fair number is circa $400 million. Again, the amount of the judgement depends on these numbers.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 11:32 pm

    Based on what?

    Rip Murdock (4f4246)

  297. The deed restriction and other Registry issues have been repeatedly circumvented before, even on this property by previous owners.

    The deed restrictions were signed by Trump, and didn’t exist with previous owners.

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  298. #267 Dustin:

    What Dustin aregues for is the smoke-filled room method of selecting candidates, rather than having primaries. That way, folks like Trump can be excluded from the club, and the party wise men can select who is accptable to the donors, and see if the people prefer him/her to the other candidate.

    After 1968, nobody has had the appetite for this method. Though, frankly, this approach has generated as many FDRs and Eisenhowers and Trumans as it has Warren G. Hardings.

    Appalled (a8d433) — 3/18/2024 @ 8:47 am

    Interesting comment.

    Failing to have a little intelligent infrastructure (that then appeals democratically) means the GOP is forcing the populists to figure it out.

    But really, half the comment is just wrong. The GOP absolutely had an appetite for this method this year. That’s what Nikki Haley was. She was a rejection of populism, and a refusal to coalesce around a viable alternative to Trump.

    and here we are.

    So I guess you can ignore that reality, while also pretending you were above the fray. But the country is left with Trump vs Biden* and as I keep saying, that was totally avoidable.

    *if the dems actually run Biden. They do not mind the smoke-filled room thing at all.

    I think we are talking past each other a bit, and that may be because of the way we are defining things. When I speak of party wise men, I was speaking more generally, and not about the circa 2014 GOP establishment. “Wise” does not seem to charactarize them.

    Today’s GOP is a coalition — like any US party. Some are the remanants of Reagan Republicanism — and some are the ideological descendants of Pat Buchanan. Haley ended up being the avatar of the nostalgic Reaganites. DeSantis was the hope of Buchanan’s decendants who actually care about policy and being effective. (I don’t love DeSantis, but I respect him as an effective governor)

    I think Dustin felt that the old Reaganites should take a powder, and let the populists get together and nominate their candidate and get behind them. Since the Reganites care about their policy preferences and want a shot too, that seems to ask a lot. The process of “getting together” usually requires a party conference, or a convention. Where’s the mechanism for that in this world of front-loaded primaries?

    Appalled (c8439b)

  299. And there were no private “previous owners” before Donald Trump. After Marjorie Merriweather Post died, the property was bequeathed to the National Park Service. They found it too expensive to maintain Congress returned it to the Post Foundation in 1981. Trump bought the property in 1985.

    The federal government soon realized the immense cost of maintenance and the difficulty of maintaining security for diplomats, and returned it to the Post Foundation in 1981. It was then listed for sale for $20 million. Dina Merrill and Post’s two other daughters did not maintain the property in the meantime, anticipating a sale, but there was so little interest that its demolition to build smaller homes was approved.
    …………..
    Donald Trump learned about the estate after unsuccessfully trying to purchase and combine two apartments in Palm Beach for his family. He offered the Post family $15 million for it, but they rejected it. Trump purchased the land between Mar-a-Lago and the ocean from Jack C. Massey, the former owner of KFC, for $2 million, stating he intended to build a home that would block Mar-a-Lago’s beach view. The threat caused interest in the property to decline, and Trump ended up getting the property for $7 million in 1985.

    Source Footnotes omitted.

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  300. The second and third paragraphs above should have been block quoted.

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  301. Reformatted:

    And there were no private “previous owners” before Donald Trump. After Marjorie Merriweather Post died, the property was bequeathed to the National Park Service. They found it too expensive to maintain so Congress returned it to the Post Foundation in 1981. Trump bought the property in 1985.

    The federal government soon realized the immense cost of maintenance and the difficulty of maintaining security for diplomats, and returned it to the Post Foundation in 1981. It was then listed for sale for $20 million. Dina Merrill and Post’s two other daughters did not maintain the property in the meantime, anticipating a sale, but there was so little interest that its demolition to build smaller homes was approved.
    …………..
    Donald Trump learned about the estate after unsuccessfully trying to purchase and combine two apartments in Palm Beach for his family. He offered the Post family $15 million for it, but they rejected it. Trump purchased the land between Mar-a-Lago and the ocean from Jack C. Massey, the former owner of KFC, for $2 million, stating he intended to build a home that would block Mar-a-Lago’s beach view. The threat caused interest in the property to decline, and Trump ended up getting the property for $7 million in 1985.

    Source Footnotes omitted.

    Rip Murdock (3229f4)

  302. This:
    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2024/03/bully.html

    If “bully pulpit” is sometimes understood that way, it’s risky to argue “A central dimension of presidential power is the use of the office’s bully pulpit….”

    The riposte was predictable: “The bully pulpit is not a pulpit to bully.”

    I want to add that what is said behind the scenes is not from the pulpit at all. A pulpit is an elevated and conspicuous platform. One thing about social media posts is that they are out there, in public, and perfectly conspicuous. If the President (or the shadowy people behind him) want to use the”central dimension of presidential power” that is the “bully pulpit,” let them step up onto a conspicuous platform and proclaim opinions they intend us to find righteous.

    In this case, the opinion that was conveyed behind the scenes was that social media platforms ought to take down posts on various political topics — coronavirus vaccines, claims of election fraud, and Hunter Biden’s laptop — that people wanted to debate. If it’s pulpit-worthy, express that opinion outright and clearly to all of us. Don’t go behind our back and intimidate the social media giants upon whom we, the little people, depend to slightly amplify our tiny voices.

    whembly (86df54)

  303. Ugh, should’ve been block quoted. Sorry ya’ll…

    whembly (86df54)

  304. It used to be that the Ninth Circuit was the most reversed by the Supreme Court. Now it looks like it will be the Fifth.

    Eric Schmidt filed in the Western District of Louisiana instead of in Missouri because it was the likeliest place a couple of partisan peckerwoods could posture as First Amendment champions without being laughed of court.

    The case should have been dismissed for lack of standing a long time ago. With costs.

    nk (f87d65)

  305. Do I hear an “Ew! Forum shopping!” Anybody?

    nk (f87d65)

  306. The reason we get false or exaggerated attacks on Trump (and we also get that on Biden) is because professional campaign consultants – too many of them – always aim to make the strongest and the simplest (one soundbyte) attacks – one that can switch votes or drive people to the polls – aimed at potential voters who are uninterested or relatively uninformed – regardless of its truth value , except when an attack is so rebuttable that it falls apart and boomerangs, and then they try to end the controversy as soon as possible.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  307. https://amgreatness.com/2024/03/18/guilty-but-not-really-guilty/


    Our criminal justice system no longer treats the accused equally under the law. If the defendant is deemed a conservative, like a Michael Flynn, Peter Navarro, or Donald Trump, then the full force of prosecution falls upon them.

    But if a Biden, Brennan, Clapper, Clinton, Holder, or Willis, then the state contorts itself to find excuses, exemptions, and mitigating circumstances not to pursue justice—and so often to the point of absurdity and the erosion of Americans’ confidence in their laws. In these high-profile cases in this polarized era, a cynical public now expects any accused prominent leftist to remain unindicted, while any non-leftwing target will be indicted, convicted, and jailed—for the same alleged offenses.

    How do you fix this?

    Can this be fixed?

    If it’s proper and justified to prosecute one set of people, but not another…. then what?

    whembly (86df54)

  308. Appalled (c8439b) — 3/19/2024 @ 7:21 am

    Where’s the mechanism for that in this world of front-loaded primaries?

    All you need is he end of the provision giving the nomination to whoever gets 50.1% on the first ballot, Make it 62%.
    And don’t disparage people who run to STOP somebody,

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  309. whembly (86df54) — 3/19/2024 @ 9:33 am

    President Trump’ DOJ certainly had the opportunity and power to prosecute Brennan, Clapper, Clinton, and Holder but chose not to do so.

    Also, what crime has Fani Willis committed? If bad judgement or moral turpitude were crimes, every politician would be in jail.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  310. End-stage Communism:


    Cuba blames US for stoking protests amid power cuts and food shortages

    US embassy says ‘absurd’ to suggest Washington behind protests in Santiago de Cuba led by parents struggling to feed their children

    The Cuban government has summoned the US ambassador, Benjamin Ziff, to its foreign ministry, accusing Washington of stoking a protest which saw hundreds of people take to the streets in the island’s second city of Santiago de Cuba.

    The demonstration late on Sunday was a rare public show of disenchantment against Cuba’s communist government, and was apparently led by parents struggling to feed their children in the face of a worsening food crisis. The protesters reportedly chanted: “Without electricity and food, the people get hot.”

    Power cuts of up to 18 hours a day have meant that as the island heads into summer it is almost impossible to preserve what little food there is.

    Sunday’s protests reportedly began when mothers turned up at a government building complaining they could not provide for their children, chanting: “We are hungry.”

    Similar protests broke out in El Cobre and Bayamo, while smaller groups gathered in Santa Marta, near the Varadero beach resort, and in the city of Matanzas.

    The US embassy in Cuba tweeted: “We urge the Cuban government to respect the human rights of the protestors and address the legitimate needs of the Cuban people.”

    But a US state department spokesman said it was “absurd” to suggest Washington was behind the protests.

    Cuba is in the grip of an economic slump, worsened by soaring inflation and the sense of an increasing divide between rich and poor. The state-run bodegas where Cubans traditionally receive their rations of staples such as rice, beans, salt, sugar, coffee and, crucially, baby milk, are increasingly empty.

    I suspect the UN will bail them out with our money.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  311. That’s not coordination this case is talking about, and I would appreciate you stop these dumb games.

    What coordination? These requests are all one-off and the companies ignored 2/3rds of them.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  312. whembly (86df54) — 3/19/2024 @ 8:38 am

    What is the evidence of coercion in Murthy v. Missouri? The plaintiffs argued an extreme position, whereby the government cannot encourage social media companies to remove threats that are posted on their platforms.

    Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson outlined a hypothetical TikTok challenge involving teenagers jumping out of progressively higher windows, leading to serious injuries and even death. Could the government, she asked Aguinaga, “call the platforms and say: This information that you are putting up on your platform is creating a serious public health emergency, we are encouraging you to take it down?”

    Aguinaga agreed that the government could call the platforms to flag the TikTok challenge as a problem, but he added that “the moment that the government tries to use its ability as the government and its stature as the government to pressure them to take it down, that is when you are interfering with the third party’s speech rights.”

    Justice Amy Coney Barrett also appeared concerned about the broad implications of the challengers’ position. She asked Aguinaga about a scenario in which he and other Louisiana state government officials were doxed, followed by social media posts “about how people should rally and do something about this.” Could the FBI, she queried, “really encourage” social media platforms to take down the posts?

    Aguinaga appeared to suggest that it could not. “If what the FBI is trying to do is trying to persuade a speech intermediary to take down a private third party’s speech,” he reiterated, that would be “an abridgement of speech.”

    In an earlier response to a question from Barrett, Aguinaga described himself as a “First Amendment purist,” such that “even mild encouragement” from the government would be enough to create a First Amendment violation. But that line may prove to be too much for this court.

    There is much more evidence of actual coercion in the second case argued yesterday, NRA v. Vullo.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  313. A fair number is circa $400 million. Again, the amount of the judgement depends on these numbers.
    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/18/2024 @ 11:32 pm

    Based on what?

    I listed the “what” elsewhere. But based on any number of independent evaluations, some of which were rather higher. Forbes, for example, estimated $350 million in 2022. Area brokers went as high as $725 million (close to the valuation that Trump used).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago#Trump_ownership

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  314. Here are the argument transcripts for Murthy v. Missouri and NRA v. Vullo.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  315. its demolition to build smaller homes was approved.

    Despite being on the National Registry, which should tell you just how iron-clad those designations aren’t.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  316. Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/19/2024 @ 10:09 am

    Do these estimates incorporate the “in perpetuity” deed restrictions, or are they simply comparables with similar properties?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  317. In an earlier response to a question from Barrett, Aguinaga described himself as a “First Amendment purist,” such that “even mild encouragement” from the government would be enough to create a First Amendment violation. But that line may prove to be too much for this court.

    Yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater is OK by him. Or, in Covid terms, posting that Chinese people were secretly infecting people with Covid and should be “stopped” is fine, too, even as attacks on Chinese people increase.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  318. Do these estimates incorporate the “in perpetuity” deed restrictions,

    If it burns down, how do those covenants affect the property then? It cannot be rebuilt for the artificially limited value. Pretty much why the 1981 reversion led to decay and expected demolition.

    The judge was just playing a gotcha game here, sticking something in Trump’s eye, but it was not something a judge should do when the valuation greatly affects the outcome of a case.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  319. Do these estimates incorporate the “in perpetuity” deed restrictions, or are they simply comparables with similar properties?

    They were after the covenants were in place, and the covenants are public information. Maybe they discounted the covenants.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  320. @312

    whembly (86df54) — 3/19/2024 @ 8:38 am

    What is the evidence of coercion in Murthy v. Missouri? The plaintiffs argued an extreme position, whereby the government cannot encourage social media companies to remove threats that are posted on their platforms.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/19/2024 @ 10:05 am

    That is an extreme hypothetical, but isn’t what’s happening that started this case.

    Let’s articulate this a little differently.

    Do you see any difference between these two statements:
    a) Government uses backchannel, non-public communication pathways to encourage like-minded social media companies to censor americans using their platform.

    vs.

    b) Government uses mandates/threats to force social media companies to censor americans using their platform.

    Then consider the end result between a) and b) – that is, the american is censored.

    whembly (86df54)

  321. @317

    Yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater is OK by him. Or, in Covid terms, posting that Chinese people were secretly infecting people with Covid and should be “stopped” is fine, too, even as attacks on Chinese people increase.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/19/2024 @ 10:15 am

    Both are absolutely fine.

    What’s not “fine”, is if the person yelling “Fire!” in falsehood that endangers people.

    What’s not “fine”, is reaching that Brandenburg incitement level that would encourage violence against Chinese people over covid statements, but assholes just blathering online is fine.

    whembly (86df54)

  322. I am less concerned about what government asks a social media company to do than I am about what the social media company does on its own. The government usually has a strong reason. The “company” may censor because some thin-skinned summer intern pushes a button.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  323. its demolition to build smaller homes was approved.

    Despite being on the National Registry, which should tell you just how iron-clad those designations aren’t.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/19/2024 @ 10:10 am

    MAL was declared a National Historic Landmark in 1980; the above reference to demolition referred to a time prior to 1980 when the house was occupied by Post’s descendants. As I pointed out above, Trump signed away his rights in 1995 to maintain the property as a social club in perpetuity, which considerably devalues the property as a single residence. Also, in 2002 Trump signed an easement with the National Trust for Historic Preservation which restricts the ability to renovate the house and forecloses development of the property into multiple single family homes. By signing the 2002 deed, Trump received a significantly lower property tax rate.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  324. Brandenburg incitement level

    I’m not fully happy with that standard.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  325. MAL was declared a National Historic Landmark in 1980; the above reference to demolition referred to a time prior to 1980 when the house was occupied by Post’s descendants.

    1981-1985

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  326. It also wasn’t occupied, just left to rot.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  327. Do these estimates incorporate the “in perpetuity” deed restrictions, or are they simply comparables with similar properties?

    They were after the covenants were in place, and the covenants are public information. Maybe they discounted the covenants.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/19/2024 @ 10:22 am

    Then those valuations are useless.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  328. That is an extreme hypothetical, but isn’t what’s happening that started this case.

    However, that was the argument that the Missouri Solicitor General made.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  329. Let’s articulate this a little differently.

    I prefer to stick to the facts and the arguments made by the parties. There is no evidence in this case of government officials threatening punitive actions in their communications with social media companies to achieve certain ends. The companies were free to (and did) reject any government requests.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  330. My guess is that Murthy v. Missouri will be decided 7-2 against the states, possibly on standing grounds.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  331. #308 —

    You want to go back to what the Democrats used to do before 1932. Interesting thought.

    Appalled (c8439b)

  332. Breaking news:

    “Divided” Supreme Court clears way for Texas to arrest migrants who illegally enter
    Supreme Court clears way for Texas to enforce immigration law, for now

    The Supreme Court on Tuesday cleared the way for Texas to begin enforcing, for now, one of the nation’s harshest immigration laws, which opponents say would disrupt more than a century of federal control over international borders.
    Cut through the 2024 election noise. Get The Campaign Moment newsletter.

    The law, known as S.B. 4, makes it a state crime for migrants to illegally cross the border and allows Texas officials to deport undocumented individuals. It was passed last year amid a historic surge in border crossings — part of Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) push to expand the state’s role in immigration enforcement, which historically has been a federal responsibility.

    The Supreme Court’s decision was divided and preliminary, with two justices in the majority urging a lower court to quickly decide whether to allow the law to remain in effect while appeals continue. That approach drew dissent from the three liberal justices, two of whom said the majority was inviting “further chaos and crisis in immigration enforcement.”

    “The Court gives a green light to a law that will upend the long-standing federal-state balance of power and sow chaos,” wrote Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. They noted that a lower court judge had concluded that the law “is likely unconstitutional.”

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  333. @330:

    Good guess.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  334. You want to go back to what the Democrats used to do before 1932. Interesting thought.

    2/3rds is how you get party unity. Carter and Ford never had more than a bare majority of delegates.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  335. Carter (1980)

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  336. Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/19/2024 @ 12:13 pm

    The law, known as S.B. 4, makes it a state crime for migrants to illegally cross the border

    his has got the same problem as invoking Section 3 of the 14th amendment: The state of Texas would be deciding who had violated federal law. But the Supreme Court is sort of following the election returns. Sort of, because for now all it opted to do was leave the matter undecided, but lift the stay- and then tellalower court to decide whether or not to stay it.

    and allows Texas officials to deport undocumented individuals.

    Where to?

    At most Texas can exclude from the state of Texas some people who are not citizens of the United States, or considered the equivalent by federal law. It has to leave them with the choice of where to go (perhaps on pain of spending a day or two a week in jail)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  337. Appalled (c8439b) — 3/19/2024 @ 10:44 am

    #308 —

    You want to go back to what the Democrats used to do before 1932. Interesting thought

    No. The Democrats had 2/3. I propose a lower number: 62%. Two thirds is too high. And this can be modified in later ballots just so long as it doesn’t obviate the effect. Maybe lower the threshold by 1% or half of 1% per ballot.

    The 2/3 rule was suddenly re-imposed in 1844 when it votes to go back to the “Rules of 1832” It denied Martin Van Buren the nomination in 1844 after he had won it.

    In 1832, the 2/3 rule had been imposed on the Democrats first convention because Andrew Jackson wanted to ensure that his vice Presidential candidate would not be someone other than Martin Van Buren

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  338. It is cold today or was this morning. It is supposedly the first day of spring- or almost. Spring begins at 11:06 pm March 19. I don’t know in what time zone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udjX3_yErNc

    Spring has sprung! Or will rather, at 11:06pm EDT today.

    Spring doesn’t usually begin on March 21 but rather on March 20. It’s occurring today in the United States technically on March 19 – the day the tourists return to San Juan Capistrano, (if they still do) because there was a February 29 this year and we have been on the equivalent of the Julian calendar since March 1, 1900 – and the Julian calendar advances spring 1 day every 128 years. It won’t happen again on March 21 until the year 2101 (because there is not supposed to be a February 29 in 2100.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  339. Given Judge Cannon’s proposed jury instructions, it appears she’s considering that somehow national defense materials can be interpreted as personal records, thus entitling Trump to keep classified documents at his country club, despite the 11th Circuit already ruling that Trump “lacked a personal or possessory interest in the records”.

    It’s past time for Jack Smith to make a motion to remove Judge Cannon from the case, for incompetence and bias.

    Paul Montagu (d4d407)

  340. It’s past time for Jack Smith to help the judge make the right decision, and to protect her from the defense’s inveigling to have her make the wrong one. Judges appreciate that.

    With very few exceptions, the rule for defense jury instructions is generally “some evidence”.

    If the defense presents some evidence that Trump had a personal or possessory interest in the records — evidence, not “Oink-oink” to the MAGA sty — then the defense is entitled to the instruction.

    Even if it is something that some peckerwood already inclined to acquit Trump will elevate to reasonable doubt. You leaves The Hague and you takes your chances. Welcome to America!

    nk (bb1548)

  341. No. The Democrats had 2/3. I propose a lower number: 62%.

    Only Sammy would do this.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  342. Even if it is something that some peckerwood already inclined to acquit Trump will elevate to reasonable doubt. You leaves The Hague and you takes your chances. Welcome to America!

    Voir dire will be interesting, if we ever get there.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  343. No Fly List case 9-0 for plaintiff.

    Immigration judges’ discretionary judgements are reviewable by Circuit Courts 4+1 to 4.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  344. It used to be that the Ninth Circuit was the most reversed by the Supreme Court. Now it looks like it will be the Fifth.
    ……..
    (Murthy v. Missouri) should have been dismissed for lack of standing a long time ago. With costs.

    nk (f87d65) — 3/19/2024 @ 9:01 am

    The Fifth Circuit will probably take another beatdown when FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine is argued next Tuesday. It also should have been dismissed on standing grounds.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  345. No Fly List case 9-0 for plaintiff.

    Immigration judges’ discretionary judgements are reviewable by Circuit Courts 4+1 to 4.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/19/2024 @ 5:33 pm

    Huh? The question in the case was whether the case was moot since the government removed the plaintiff from the No Fly List. There is nothing in the decision that turns on “discretionary judgements” by immigration judges, who are not mentioned anywhere in the opinion.

    The Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that a lawsuit filed by an Oregon man who was placed on the No Fly List can go forward even after the government has removed him from the list and pledged not to return him to it “based on the currently available information.” In a unanimous decision authored by Justice Neil Gorsuch, the justices rejected the government’s argument that the case is moot – that is, no longer a live controversy. The government’s pledge, the court concluded, does not show that it “cannot reasonably be expected to” put him on the list again in the future.
    ………
    Fikre went to federal court in Oregon in 2013, alleging that the FBI violated his constitutional rights by placing him on the list. A federal district judge dismissed his case as moot after the FBI removed him from the list and promised not to put him on the list again “based on the currently available information.” But the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit revived Fikre’s lawsuit, prompting the FBI to seek review in the Supreme Court.

    In a terse nine-page opinion, Gorsuch explained that under the Supreme Court’s cases, a defendant who ends the conduct at the center of a lawsuit and argues that the lawsuit is therefore moot has a “formidable burden” to show that its actions “cannot reasonably be expected to recur.” Otherwise, Gorsuch reasoned, defendants could stop the conduct at issue and then simply resume it after the case is dismissed.

    In this case, Gorsuch emphasized, the government’s pledge that it will not return Fikre to the No Fly List based on “currently available information” does not meet the government’s high burden, and the case should therefore not be dismissed. Although the government’s promise “may mean that his past actions are not enough to warrant his relisting,” Gorsuch acknowledged, the government’s statement does not address whether Fikre might be returned to the list “if he does the same or similar things in the future — say, attend a particular mosque or refuse renewed overtures to serve as an informant.”

    Gorsuch pushed back against the government’s suggestion that the decision by the court of appeals erroneously required it to “admit it lacked any lawful basis for including Mr. Fikre on the No Fly List in the first place” – an issue that goes to the merits of the case, rather than whether the case is moot, the government insisted. Gorsuch conceded that “a party’s repudiation of its past conduct may sometimes help demonstrate that conduct is unlikely to recur.” But, he continued, “[w]hat matters is not whether a defendant repudiates its past actions, but what repudiation can prove about its future conduct. It is on that consideration alone — the potential for a defendant’s future conduct — that we rest our judgment.”
    ……….

    Source. Opinion. Paragraph breaks added.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  346. No Fly List case 9-0 for plaintiff.

    Immigration judges’ discretionary judgements are reviewable by Circuit Courts 4+1 to 4.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 3/19/2024 @ 5:33 pm</blockquote

    I see which opinion you are talking about. You really should at least include the case name or a link.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  347. Two different cases, both decided today. I guess separate paragraphs, with two different vote totals, aren’t enough.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  348. In all cases, go here: http://www.scotusblog.com/

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  349. Katie Porter is still complaining that 30% of the CA electorate still votes Republican, despite the best efforts of the LA Times.

    She regrets calling it rigged, though. Just that it was manipulated to make Republicans vote for Garvey instead of her.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  350. Trump again picks the loser in the Ohio Senate race.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  351. Melania seems to be hitting the ice cream pretty hard lately.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  352. https://amgreatness.com/2024/03/18/guilty-but-not-really-guilty/


    Our criminal justice system no longer treats the accused equally under the law. If the defendant is deemed a conservative, like a Michael Flynn, Peter Navarro, or Donald Trump, then the full force of prosecution falls upon them.

    But if a Biden, Brennan, Clapper, Clinton, Holder, or Willis, then the state contorts itself to find excuses, exemptions, and mitigating circumstances not to pursue justice—and so often to the point of absurdity and the erosion of Americans’ confidence in their laws. In these high-profile cases in this polarized era, a cynical public now expects any accused prominent leftist to remain unindicted, while any non-leftwing target will be indicted, convicted, and jailed—for the same alleged offenses.

    How do you fix this?

    Can this be fixed?

    If it’s proper and justified to prosecute one set of people, but not another…. then what?

    Senator Menendez says it’s unfixable.

    I know that you are consistent and honorable about this, whembly, because I know you would get upset if any president from either party publicly criticized his Attorney General for political prosecutions of people from his party.

    For example, you were righteously furious when this happened:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-hits-sessions-weeks-over-indictments-gop-congressmen-n906036

    President Donald Trump took yet another swipe at beleaguered Attorney General Jeff Sessions Monday over the recently announced federal charges against two Republican congressmen who had also been prominent and early supporters of Trump’s presidential campaign.

    “Two long running, Obama era, investigations of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department,” Trump tweeted.

    He added, “Two easy wins now in doubt because there is not enough time,” before delivering what appeared to be a sarcastic compliment to his top law enforcement official.

    “Good job Jeff,” Trump wrote.

    I’m having trouble finding your full-throated condemnation of that outrageous pair of Trump statements, which is odd because you deeply care about the evenhandness of the law and making sure that prosecutions are not contaminated by partisan statements from presidents.

    Could you find me that link of yours?

    Patterico (c2d22d)

  353. Given Judge Cannon’s proposed jury instructions, it appears she’s considering that somehow national defense materials can be interpreted as personal records, thus entitling Trump to keep classified documents at his country club, despite the 11th Circuit already ruling that Trump “lacked a personal or possessory interest in the records”.

    It’s past time for Jack Smith to make a motion to remove Judge Cannon from the case, for incompetence and bias.

    I generally trust Jack Smith’s judgment. It would not surprise me if he is contemplating that, as this sounds outrageous. He probably gets only one shot at it, though, and it’s kind of a “if you shoot at the king you best not miss” type situation, so he has to get it right.

    I am interested to hear what Andrew Weissmann says about whether proposed jury instructions are subject to an interlocutory appeal by the Government. I never heard of such a thing stateside. Which is not to say it can’t happen; I just don’t know.

    Patterico (c2d22d)

  354. Trump again picks the loser in the Ohio Senate race.

    The loser who won, you mean?

    Patterico (c2d22d)

  355. The loser who won, you mean?

    Patterico (c2d22d) — 3/19/2024 @ 6:39 pm

    I hope Kevin was forecasting that Trump’s guy will lose to Sherrod Brown in the general.

    norcal (d99a8b)

  356. Every bad thing that happens to America for the next decade will be the fault of Donald Trump and the s— 4 brains citizens who keep voting for this loser.

    The Democrats are defending 2/3rds of the seats up, and cannot lose more than 1 and keep control. So far, of the 4 tossups, losers will be running for the GOP in two of them (AZ and OH). Of the 3 running in Michigan, 2 voted to impeach Trump once. Trump endorses the other guy. Tim Sheehy will be the candidate in Montana, which was once thought to be a slam dunk by now is a tossup.

    Then, when Biden has the House and the Senate and the filibuster is gone, watch them “regulate” elections to allow anyone to vote at least once, get Biden his wealth tax and 70% income tax, add 17 new seats to the Supreme Court, and make DC and Puerto Rico states.

    And it will be the fault of those who keep nominating asshats.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  357. I hope Kevin was forecasting that Trump’s guy will lose to Sherrod Brown in the general.

    It’s the track record.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  358. The loser who won, you mean?

    Exactly.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  359. Who’s on first.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  360. Democrats Meddle in Ohio G.O.P. Senate Primary, Pushing Trump’s Choice
    A Democratic group is spending about $2.7 million on a television ad promoting Bernie Moreno, who was endorsed by Donald Trump, just ahead of next week’s Republican primary.

    They figure he will be the easier to beat by incumbent (D) Sherrod Brown.

    nk (bb1548)

  361. interlocutory appeal

    Reading the Trump immunity case arguments, it’s rarely allowed and only when it is preemptively correct AND cannot be fixed afterwards. Or Trump is involved.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  362. They figure he will be the easier to beat by incumbent (D) Sherrod Brown.

    I think “less likely to beat” Sherrod Brown, who has an R+8 problem.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  363. I’d like to see Repubs in all 50 states make their primaries impossible to meddle with by Dems or anyone else.

    If rank-and-file GOP voters do in fact almost always choose to speed-sail over the cliff with whoever best kissed the BOAR’s toes lately, fine, but it doesn’t help when they let hateful Dems take the wheel as the cherry on top.

    qdpsteve again (8f9c49)

  364. Trump clinching the nomination so early may have thrown off Jack Smith’s timing.

    Let me explain: The Democrats desperately want need to run against Trump. Jack Smith was giving Trump line (as in fishing) to run until it was too late for another Republican to step in before he started reeling him in (like a fish) for trial.

    Hmm?

    nk (bb1548)

  365. I am interested to hear what Andrew Weissmann says about whether proposed jury instructions are subject to an interlocutory appeal by the Government.

    Me, too, but he did say that Cannon is “legally fundamentally wrong”.

    But…per the Daily Beast, appellate courts have healthy oversight powers over district court judges.

    In the federal system, appellate courts have the authority to supervise lower court proceedings, and a federal statute, 28 U.S.C. §2106 provides as follows:

    “The Supreme Court or any other court of appellate jurisdiction may affirm, modify, vacate, set aside or reverse any judgment, decree, or order of a court lawfully brought before it for review.”

    It also states that an appellate court “may remand the cause and direct the entry of such appropriate judgment, decree, or order, or require such further proceedings to be had as may be just under the circumstances.”

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  366. “The Supreme Court or any other court of appellate jurisdiction may affirm, modify, vacate, set aside or reverse any judgment, decree, or order of a court lawfully brought before it for review.”

    But can they do it before/during a trial?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  367. DC attorney general drops charges against Steve Nikoui for disruption of Congress during SOTU speech

    What a shame it took this long. Thanks to intervention from Speaker Johnson. Nikoui may as well have been shouting at a celery stalk.

    lloyd (05649e)

  368. Nikki suspended her campaign on 3/5, yet two weeks later she still got 21% of the vote in the Ohio primary, which goes to show that he has his base locked up but is basically pissing everyone else off.
    Which is fine, because Trump must lose.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  369. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 3/19/2024 @ 8:45 pm

    Nikki suspended her campaign on 3/5, yet two weeks later she still got 21% of the vote in the Ohio primary, which goes to show that he has his base locked up but is basically pissing everyone else off.
    Which is fine, because Trump must lose.

    It shows you free media is worth a lot’

    That’s a lot of protest votes. Or it could be early votes. I don’t know how early it started in Ohio.

    In 2008, Giuliani banked a lot of votes in Florida before he dropped out – he mostly skipped the earlier states,

    This year, even with a 62% threshold Trump likely would have won the nomination. Not sure if anyone ese would have jumped in and he would have collected more than 62% of the first ballot votes even though he got less of the raw vote,

    trump’s got about 60% of the Republican vote.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  370. Whiplash:

    Legal turmoil over a Texas plan to arrest and deport migrants left state and border residents mired in confusion this week over whether the law would be allowed to take effect, a development that could upend more than a century of national immigration policy.

    A volley of legal orders regarding the law, known as SB 4, came as the Supreme Court and Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals both chimed in on whether the law should remain stalled as courts weigh whether it is constitutional for states to set their own immigration policies.

    An Austin-based federal judge blocked SB 4 last month, calling it an unconstitutional violation of federal powers. A decision on whether to keep it paused is pending from a three-judge appeals court panel who signaled differing opinions during a hearing Wednesday.

    A U.S. Supreme Court order blocking the law from taking effect was allowed to expire earlier this week before it was blocked again, minutes later. Another Supreme Court order allowed the law to take effect Tuesday, before the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals halted it late Tuesday night.
    ……….
    During the appeals court hearing Wednesday, Chief Judge Priscilla Richman, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, appeared skeptical of the law. She noted that no state previously had claimed the power to deport migrants and questioned how the state would carry out deportations and whether it would honor federal protections granted to people seeking asylum.

    Judge Andrew S. Oldham, a former general counsel to Abbott who was appointed to the court by former President Donald Trump, seemed to question whether all provisions of the law could immediately be seen as invalid.

    “We have no clue how this would be enforced,” he said.

    The third judge, Irma Carrillo Ramirez, a border native and President Biden appointee who remained quiet during the hearing, could cast a decisive vote if the other two disagree.
    ………..
    Attorneys for the state of Texas have argued that SB 4 works in concert with federal law, rather than conflicting with it. They said the state is trying to assist with a border crisis Republican leaders claim federal authorities have failed to adequately address.
    ……….
    (Texas Solicitor General Aaron Nielson), however, was unable to answer many questions about the specifics of what the law’s enforcement would look like. The biggest question remains how Texas would conduct deportations. Under the law, migrants would be taken to ports of entry to return to Mexico, regardless of their country of origin. Mexico has said it won’t accept deportees from the state of Texas.
    ……….
    If migrants returned to the port can’t leave, Nielson said they would be rearrested by state authorities. The law allows people to be imprisoned for up to 20 years in such cases.

    “This is the first time, it seems to me, the state has said they have the power to remove illegal aliens?” Richman asked.

    “It depends on what we mean by removal,” Nielson responded.

    Nielson couldn’t say whether people who entered the country in other states, and then traveled to Texas, could be arrested under the law……..

    Daniel Tenny, an attorney for the Justice Department, said the entirety of the Texas law is clearly pre-empted by federal immigration powers. Even if the court thought only the removal provisions were pre-empted, however, he said it would be extraordinary to let them go into effect in the short-term.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  371. If migrants returned to the port can’t leave, Nielson said they would be rearrested by state authorities. The law allows people to be imprisoned for up to 20 years in such cases.

    That would seem to violate the 8th amendment, (cruel and unusual punishment) and possibly the 14th (equal protection of people under its jurisdiction)

    But it seems to me that Texas could send them to the border of Oklahoma or Louisiana but Texas has to claim that federal protections do not apply to non-citizens.

    The New York Daily news cited several United States Supreme Court decisions, which I never heard of – didn’t find when looking for something – in its bottom of the page editorial (the second one) on Wednesday March 20, 2024. I don’t know what these decisions actually say:

    Chae Chan Ping vs. United States (1889)

    Fong Yue Ting vs. United States (1893) (power of Congress)

    Truax va. Raich (1915) solely in federal government.

    Takahashi vs. Fish % Game Commission (1948) broad authority

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  372. BTW, the testimony from Lev Parnas in today’s Comer House Clown Show is something else.

    From shortly after my arrest on October 9th, 2019 to now, I have been trying to share the irrefutable truth with you. The American people have been lied to by Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and various cohorts of individuals in government and media positions.

    They created falsehoods to serve their own interests, knowing it would undermine the strength of our nation. From November 2018 to October 2019, I was a key participant and a witness to numerous efforts to prove that Joe and Hunter Biden were linked to corruption in Ukraine.

    Rudy Giuliani, on behalf of them, President Donald Trump, tasked me with a mission to travel the globe, finding dirt on the Bidens so then an array of networks could spread misinformation about them, thus securing the 2020 election for Donald J. Trump.

    Ironically, when I was arrested, my original indictment linked me to an individual referred to as ‘unindicted co-conspirator one.’ We now know this individual to be Congressman Pete Sessions, who sits on this very committee today.

    And Rupar has quite thread. An example here.

    Parnas testifies that unverified political dirt would come over from Ukraine that he would pass along John Solomon, and then Solomon would immediately go on Fox News and amplify it. He also singles out Ron Johnson and Pete Sessions for doing Russia’s bidding with him.

    Paul Montagu (1e8339)

  373. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truax_v._Raich

    In 1914, the state of Arizona adopted a new provision to Art. IV, § 1 to the Arizona State Constitution. The provision entitled, “An act to protect the citizens of the United States in their employment against noncitizens of the United States, in Arizona, and to provide penalties and punishment for the violation thereof,”[1] instated a quota system for employers within Arizona. SEC. 1 of this provision required employers with more than five workers at any given time ensure a minimum of 80% of their employers be native-born American citizens. SEC. 2 provided that a violation of this act would result in a $100 fine and thirty days of imprisonment levied against the employer and SEC. 3 said that a $100 fine and thirty days of imprisonment would be imposed upon any non-citizen or immigrant that lies about their place of birth or citizenship to a potential employer.[1][2]

    This provision was introduced under the assumption that “the employment of aliens unless restrained was a peril to the public welfare.”[1]..

    …The Court held, in a vote of 8 to 1, that Arizona was in violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.[3] Justice Charles Evans Hughes delivered the majority opinion on Truax, stating the “right to work for a living in the common occupations of the community is of the very essence of the personal freedom and opportunity that it was the purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment to secure.” [3]

    …In Truax v. Raich, the 1915 Court held that:

    The state of Arizona’s statute violated Congressional plenary power when it came to regulating topics surrounding immigration.[5]
    “The power to control immigration — to admit or exclude aliens — is vested solely in the Federal Government, and the States may not deprive aliens so admitted of the right to earn a livelihood, as that would be tantamount to denying their entrance and abode.” [1][2]

    Although a careful reading of the United States constitution would indicate that that is a state power (both specifically – Article 1 Section 9 Clause 1 (Powers Denied Congress) and under the 10th amendment (all powers not given to Congress are reserved to the states) and not a federal power (it not being an enumerated power of Congress in Article I Section 8)

    What Congress has the power to do is to determine who is a citizen and who is not, aside from people who are automatically citizens by the 14th amendment. But states have the right to pass discriminatory laws against all non-citizens, including expulsion from the state. It is probably not free to pass discriminatory criminal laws and some other laws.

    That, at least, is what an originalist and a textualist would rule.

    The state of Arizona’s statute violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment[6]

    “Whether the statute of Arizona attempting to regulate employment of aliens is void as conflicting with rights of aliens under treaties with their respective nations not determined in this case, as the statute is held unconstitutional under the equal protection provision of the Fourteenth Amendment.” [1][2]

    Justice James Clark McReynolds offered a single dissenting opinion to the Truax decision. He viewed the lawsuit as “a suit against a state, to which the 11th Amendment declares ‘the judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend.’” [1][2]

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  374. 372. And one bit of dirt involved exploiting and twisting the interpretation of a lie Joe Biden told the audience at the Council on Foreign Relations on January 23, 2018, about being instrumental in the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor whom it was asserted was causing trouble for Burisma.

    Joe Biden’s defense is quite correct, he never sold any influence – he didn’t have any influence to sell! In the words of Mitt Romney, his family “bilked” foreigners (who were not familiar enough with American politics)

    Tony Bobulinsky is correct that Joe Biden was what they were selling – but it was so to speak, flour, not heroin. And he’s also right that Jim Biden (Hunter uncle) is a proven liar – by Hunter’s own testimony in fact – and that two Democratic members of Congress are peddling lies.

    s

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  375. https://www.wsj.com/articles/tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-was-the-brand-testimony-hunter-biden-1923a539

    I want to be crystal clear: From my direct personal experience and what I have subsequently come to learn, it is clear to me that Joe Biden was “the Brand” being sold by the Biden family. His family’s foreign influence peddling operation—from China to Ukraine and elsewhere—sold out to foreign actors who were seeking to gain influence and access to Joe Biden and the United States government.

    Joe Biden was more than a participant in and beneficiary of his family’s business; he was an active, aware enabler who met with business associates such as myself to further the business, despite being buffered by a complex scheme to maintain plausible deniability…

    …Hunter arranged the meeting between his father and me at the Beverly Hilton in Los Angeles on May 2, 2017. The sole reason Hunter wanted me to meet his father was because I was the CEO of Sinohawk, the Bidens’ partnership with CEFC. I was a business associate. In his transcript, Hunter confirms that that meeting with Joe took place and incriminates his Uncle Jim for perjury by confirming it….

    …3. Jim Biden further lies by claiming “Bobulinski was trying to usurp and replace Hunter Biden.” (Page 123)

    Hunter Biden, Robert Walker, James Gilliar and Jim Biden asked me to step in as CEO of the business. I did not ask them. I tried to walk away from Sinohawk multiple times only to be convinced to stay on, including on one occasion by Jim Biden himself. The company was controlled by a Board of which the 4 of them could out-vote me on anything. They had control of the company. . . .

    Why is Joe Biden blatantly lying to the American people? . . . If he were doing nothing wrong, why go through this insane exercise of obstructing and denying obvious facts? . . .

    The reason is because the Biden family’s profiting of tens of millions of dollars from our strategic opponents and corrupt individuals and entities around the world—without delivering any goods or services and while putting in minimal effort and work—causes Americans to rightly question any policies from this administration that apparently benefit those same strategic opponents and corrupt individuals and entities. Just read the latest motion by the Department of Justice related to Hunter Biden’s criminal indictments in California; the DOJ states that he made large sums of money for very little work.

    Minimal effort — including not exerting any influence.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  376. US Green Berets are now stationed on Taiwan’s Kinmen and Penghu Islands. Kinmen is only a few miles from China proper, overlooking Xiamen’s harbor. It was once called Quemoy and back in the 1950’s Ike threatenen to use nukes if China invaded. Kinmen is indefensible by itself, but our soldiers are there anyway.

    https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/131715/taiwan-usa-troops-china

    Taiwan has officially confirmed the presence of US troops stationed on its islands in the Taiwan Strait permanently, a development that could further escalate mounting tensions with China.

    The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) passed in 2023 facilitated the deployment of these troops to conduct training programs for Taiwanese frontline forces.

    The move comes as China continues to assert its disputed claim over Taiwan, viewing it as a renegade province despite never having ruled it. The heightened military activities by China in and around the Taiwan Strait have prompted Taiwan to bolster its defense capabilities.

    To quote from The Wire, “Sheeeeeee-IT”

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  377. To quote from The Wire, “Sheeeeeee-IT”

    Somebody has good taste in television fare.

    norcal (5ce52e)

  378. I heard online the other day some news report, I think from al jazeera (which is Qatar) It talked about possible famine in Gaza – and later on in the (is that called a podcast?) mentioned Burma and Argentina (!) as places where people might starve. (Mentioning those last two gives the illusion of comprehesiveness.)

    But not Sudan (this is north Sudan)

    That’s because it’s a Moslem country with only Moslem forces (backed by outside powers) fighting. One of the sides is backed by Russia.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  379. RIP, Vernor Vinge, 79. SF writer and three-time Hugo winner for Best Novel: A Fire Upon the Deep (1992), A Deepness in the Sky (1999), and Rainbows End (2006).

    IMHO, A Deepness in the Sky may be the single best work of Science fiction written to date. Endlessly inventive. Despite the marketing, it has no real relationship to the Zones of Thought novels.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  380. Vinge obit

    He also coined the term “singularity” regarding the changes AI will bring.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  381. News outside the bubble. White voters have chosen their candidate Most white men trump. White republican women trump. White democrat women biden. Independent women mostly pro-choice if not pro biden. Donor class biden. Black women/latinx women biden. Half of black /latinx men biden the other half don’t want to have to drive electric vehicles.

    asset (a6de08)

  382. A Deepness in the Sky may be the single best work of Science fiction written to date.

    Even better than L. Ron Hubbard’s books? 😊

    norcal (9c94cc)

  383. Ever think what will happen if biden wins popular vote ;but lose the electoral college? Look at what was planned to happen in 2020 if biden jot 44,000 less votes in az, ga. and wi.

    asset (a6de08)

  384. Star Trek has even more elements of what amounts to fantasy than what I mentioned before. Like parallel universes and the ability to go to and from them, (accidently mostly) or the appearance of alternative worlds. But that doesn’t make it bad. We have “Remember Me” in which Beverly Crusher gets caught in a vortex which results in her being present in a series of smaller and smaller complement of people on the Enterprise until she is all alone. Things in space explain a lot of things in Star Trek.

    A lot of science fiction is how people react to situations, or figure them out. Sometimes the explanation is extremely implausible, even within the Star Trek universe.

    We have a number of other interesting plots. Some project the characters into the future. Except in some it.’;s not real. We get Riker 16 years into thee series’ future. It’s supposedly created from his mind (as is also in “The Savage Curtain” in the original series, Riker only realizes it when one of the characters (the woman he was supposedly married to who died two years before) is “Minuet” who was a hologram.

    We have “Chief” Miles O’Brien not being able to understand the engineering of the original Enterprise in “Trials and Tribulations” because it has been rewired so much, and Scotty not being able to undersand the engineering of the Picard era Enterprise.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  385. asset (a6de08) — 3/21/2024 @ 10:02 pm

    Ever think what will happen if biden wins popular vote ;but lose the electoral college?

    Nothing, except the Democrats would discard one of their principles.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  386. @385 in 2020 Labor union activists along with certain members of the democratic party surprisingly not the far left ;but clintonistas fearing a left take over of the party. They were planning a general strike to shut the country down and the deep state would help. It was talked about a few days before the 2020 election and then disappeared as it was not needed. The paranoia thanks to msdnc ranting is even worse now. The resistance will be even more wild. (crazy)

    asset (a6de08)

  387. Ever think what will happen if biden wins popular vote ;but lose the electoral college?

    AOC will go to a highway overpass and cry against a chain link fence.

    Hillary won the popular vote by, a margin of three million votes, but lost the Electoral College. Al Gore won the popular vote, by a mere 555,000 votes, and lost the Electoral College. That’s why the Democrats came up with the “Electoral Vote Thing Like You Know Round With A Mirror That Women Used To Keep In Their Purses”.

    nk (cd56ba)

  388. Even better than L. Ron Hubbard’s books?

    PUH-leeeze.

    Although I kinda like Battlefield Earth in a trashy kind of way.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  389. Ever think what will happen if biden wins popular vote ;but lose the electoral college? Look at what was planned to happen in 2020 if biden jot 44,000 less votes in az, ga. and wi.

    Yes, I expect the righteous Left to invade the Capitol and prevent the Electoral Votes from being counted, but with the support of all people of goodwill.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  390. Sammy, try reading some real SF. Nearly all filmed SF is about 50 years behind the times. Including Dune, which was written in the 1960s.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  391. the Democrats would discard one of their principles.

    Do they have one to discard?

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  392. The Electoral College isn’t intended to mirror the popular vote. It will, most of the time, but it is designed to slightly favor candidates who win the most states, and particularly small states. The Founders feared large states, where masses of people could be swayed in blocs (as in CA and NY), controlling the election, so large states were slightly disfavored. That bias doesn’t factor in unless the election is close. It did in 1876, 2000 and 2016.

    Note that the EC also delivers decisive victories in close elections when the popular vote isn’t concentrated in a few states. The election of 1960 was the closest in modern times (0.17% margin), yet Kennedy won by 84 electoral votes.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  393. @389 Thats been tried already. That is not how the media, donor class, deep state, establishment/multi national corporations and democrats riot even though they would get an all black jury in D.C. They can make the country ungovernable and trump dare not go into democrat controlled states. Individuals may break the law. By the way AOC and the squad would be to busy taking over the democrats party to do much.

    asset (f3b302)


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