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2/23/2024

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:06 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

Trump’s shortlist for VP, confirmed by the man-child himself: Byron Donalds, Tulsi Gabbard, Kristi Noem, Ron DeSantis, Tim Scott, and Vivek Ramaswamy.

DeSantis said he is not interested in the position.

Second news item

Florida bill banning social media use for under age 16 headed to governor’s desk:

The text of the bill creates a new section in the Florida Statutes that requires social media platforms to prohibit minors who are younger than 16 years old from creating accounts, to “use reasonable age verification methods to verify the age of each account holder,” and to provide a disclaimer warning about social media being “harmful to mental health” and using “design features that have addictive qualities.” Violations of the law, if passed, would be deemed “an unfair and deceptive trade practice” and the state government can collect a civil penalty of up to $50,000 per violation. If a minor account holder asks for their account to be deleted, or a parent or legal guardian asks for a minor’s account to be deleted, and the platform does not comply with the request within the statutory deadline (5 or 10 days, respectively), it would be liable for $10,000 per violation, plus court costs and attorney fees.

Concerns about First Amendment violations include: parents, not government should be making these decisions for their kids, parents are having the choice to decide taken away from them, the bill deplatforms young people.

Additionally:

The specific mechanism of HB-1 of requiring users to upload personal IDs, documents, and other information “would cause manifest cybersecurity vulnerabilities, it would violate the First Amendment many times over according to established precedent, and it would just waste taxpayer money,” she argued. “Preventing minors from accessing social media and requiring age verification means that all users in Florida will have to upload government IDs, face scans, social security numbers or other invasive means to endless platforms including TikTok, which many believe is a cybersecurity risk. Age verification is identity verification particularly when a parent needs to approve a child’s use. The parent has to prove they are not only an adult, but the parent to the specific child.”

Gov. DeSantis also thinks it has problems:

“I’m sympathetic to, as a parent, what’s going on with our youth,” DeSantis said at a press conference last month, according to WFLA. “But I also understand that to just say that someone that’s 15 just cannot have it no matter what, even if the parent consents, that may create some legal issues.”

Third news item

President Zelensky was interviewed by reporter Bret Baier, who asked the Ukrainian leader if he had heard Tucker Carlson’s interview with President Putin:

“I heard some messages in the media, and also my guys who are advisers told me. . .I don’t have time to hear more than two hours of bullshit about us. About the world, about the United States, about our relations.”

And on a serious note:

BAIER: So as you look at 2024 and those goals, what do you see? You know, one, if you get the funding from the U.S., what does it look like? And the other way, if you don’t, what does it look like?

ZELENSKY: Some journalist shouted, “Will Ukrainians survive without Congress support?” And this often the last months, as I often hear such question Will we survive? Of course, but not all of us. And if we understand this surprise, if the world is ready for this, okay, you will see it. But it’s tragedy. It will be tragedy for all of us, not only for Ukraine, not only for Ukrainians, for all Europe.

Meanwhile, frustrated by the GOP’s lack of vote to aid Ukraine, other avenues are being considered by Democrats:

House Democrats and some Republicans are preparing fallback plans to force a vote on Ukraine aid, with Democratic leaders drafting a special rule that could enable a narrow bipartisan majority to bypass Speaker Mike Johnson (R., La.) in the coming weeks.

The plans to use rare parliamentary procedures are in the early stages and might never come into play – Democrats preference is for Speaker Johnson to allow a vote on the Senate’s $95 billion bill. . .

According to Pascrell (D-N.J.), Democrats will indeed “bring Ukraine funding to the House floor”.

Fourth news item

No exceptions for girls under 13:

A bill that would have allowed physicians to give children under 13 years old abortion care, as long as the physicians are licensed and check the child’s age, failed in a House subcommittee on Tuesday.

The bill, HB 2603, was introduced by Rep. Gloria Johnson (D – Knoxville). The bill would have ensured physicians could not face prosecution if they gave abortion care to a pregnant child who was under 13 years old. They would have been required to verify the child’s age before giving abortion care.

“This bill, HB 2603, if passed would codify the right to potentially life-saving abortions for anyone under the age of 13. In current Tennessee law, no child under the age of 13 can legally consent to sex, so this bill simply protects these children, all of whom were impregnated by rape,” said Johnson.

Republican objections to the bill were summed up as follows:

Rep. Michele Carringer (R – Knoxville) said according to the language of the bill, children could get abortion care at any stage of pregnancy and for any reason, without the need for a medical emergency or necessity.

“The thing I truly have problem with is, this is any time during the pregnancy. This could be right up to the day before they would deliver the child, without any medical problems or anything,” said Carringer.

“This bill provides no exceptions of two 13-year-olds having sex and becoming pregnant,” he said. “It makes the assumption that every 13-year-old becomes pregnant from other means other than, I mean you could have two 13-year-olds having sex, or 13 and 14-year-olds having sex, or 13 and 15-year-olds having sex and becoming pregnant. Your bill provides no, I mean it’s just, I’m just taken back at how this bill reads.”

The concerns were addressed:

Johnson said the bill does not include 13-year-olds because she said 13-year-olds can legally consent to sex, but 12-year-olds cannot consent to sex in any way. In Tennessee law, age can mitigate statutory rape charges. It’s known as a Romeo and Juliet law, and several other states have similar laws.

“This just deals with a pregnant 12-year-old, 11-year-old, 10-year-old, 9-year-old,” she said. “This is just to allow a child and their family to protect that child from losing their childhood, and losing their life.”

As it stands, young girls – children -who have been raped will be compelled to go through with the resulting pregnancy, no matter how much it threatens their physical health, or emotional and mental well-being.

Fifth news item

Taking his colleagues to the woodshed:

Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) on Wednesday criticized his Republican colleagues for using a former FBI informant’s claims in their impeachment inquiry even though the statements hadn’t been verified.

“We were warned at the time that we received the document outlining this witness’s testimony. … We were warned that the credibility of this statement was not known,” Buck said on CNN’s “The Source.”

“And yet, people, my colleagues went out and talk to the public about how this was credible and how it was damning and how it proved President Biden’s — at the time Vice President Biden’s — complicity in receiving bribes,” he added.

Heh.

Sixth news item

Prime Minister Netanyahu said no:

Israeli lawmakers voted on Wednesday to back Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s rejection of any “unilateral” recognition of a Palestinian state as international calls have grown for the revival of Palestinian statehood negotiations.

Issued amid the war in Gaza between Israel and Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, the symbolic declaration also received backing from members of the opposition, with 99 of 120 lawmakers voting in support, the Knesset spokesperson said.

The vote drew condemnation from the Palestinian Foreign Ministry, which accused Israel of holding the rights of the Palestinian people hostage by forceful occupation of territories where Palestinians seek to establish a state.

“The ministry reaffirms that the State of Palestine’s full membership in the United Nations and its recognition by other nations does not require permission from Netanyahu,” it said in a statement.

Seventh news item

It is not possible to take the Republican Party seriously:

MAGA supporter Jack Prosobiec addresses audience at this year’s CPAC. I believe he is saying the quiet part out loud – and what he is proclaiming is worrisome, at the very least:

And then there is this, which mocks the insurrection of Jan. 6:

The game can be played over several modes, including “Stop the Steal,” “Fake News,” “Peaceful Protest,” “It’s a Setup,” “Babbitt Murder” — a reference to the Jan. 6 rioter who was shot and killed by police after trying to climb barriers at the Capitol — “Have Faith” and “Political Prisoners.” As you play each mode, videos from the insurrection play on a screen above.

Eighth news item

Even in death, Putin fears the power and draw of Alexei Navalny:

A spokeswoman for the late Alexei Navalny said on Friday that Russian authorities had told his mother he would be buried in the penal colony where he died unless she agreed within three hours to lay him to rest without a public funeral…

His mother Lyudmila, 69, has been demanding for days that authorities hand over his body to be buried in a way that will allow his friends, family and supporters to pay their respects. Navalny’s spokeswoman Kira Yarmysh posted on X: “An hour ago, an investigator called Alexei’s mother and gave her an ultimatum. Either she agrees within three hours to a secret funeral without a public farewell, or Alexei will be buried in the penal colony.”

Yarmysh said Navalny’s mother was refusing and continuing to demand that his body be handed to her. There was no immediate comment from the authorities.

Keep bullying and intimidating an older woman who is grieving the loss of her son. It’s a great look before an election. You can almost hear Putin seething and smarting behind closed doors, “Will no one rid me of this hero to the people.” Keep on pushing Navalny’s mother like this and you just keep reinforcing to the Russian people what a hero and now martyr Alexei Navalny is.

Ninth news item

State Dept. overturns Pompeo doctrine in the middle of the war:

Secretary of State Tony Blinken said on Friday that Israeli settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank is “inconsistent with international law,” reversing a Trump-era decision that had overturned decades of U.S. policy on the issue.

…Blinken’s decision to reverse what has been known as the “Pompeo doctrine” comes as a response to the Israeli government’s announcement on Thursday that it plans to expand the settlements in the West Bank, a U.S. official told Axios. The move has been considered by the State Department for the last three years.

“We are disappointed with the announcement [of new settlements]. It has been a long-standing policy of both Democratic and Republican administrations that new settlements are counterproductive to achieving enduring peace. They are also inconsistent with international law,” Blinken said.

Former U.S. Ambassador to Israel David M. Friedman criticized the decision:

Curious that President Biden has allowed the Pompeo doctrine to remain in place for three years until now. Also, how wise is it to antagonize one of our closest allies while they are in the…middle of a war??

–Dana

420 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello. Happy Friday!

    Dana (8e902f)

  2. Trump will not pick Ramaswamy. He’s not controllable and he brings nothing to the ticket but an echo. It will be Tim Scott who knows how to be a docile second banana.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  3. The settlements are wrong and have always been wrong. They do not contribute to Israel’s security; quite the opposite actually.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  4. Florida bill banning social media use for under age 16 headed to governor’s desk

    Not much different that Wertham’s “Seduction of the Innocent” in the 1950s.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  5. I would give money to a fund that provided transportation to minors in absolutist states who were seeking an abortion. I think this is a better approach than trying to change laws piecemeal or nationally.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  6. Out of Touch:

    Former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley told Fox News this week that she sees herself as Republican voters’ alternative to frontrunner Donald Trump — if the former president’s legal challenges and GOP voters turn against him.

    Her one problem: Republican primary voters no longer see her that way.

    According to January’s national NBC News polll, 34% of Republican primary voters view Haley in a positive light, versus 36% who have a negative opinion of her (a -2 net rating).

    That’s down from the NBC News poll’s findings in November, when Haley’s popularity among GOP primary voters stood at 43% positive, 17% negative (a +26 net rating).
    ………..
    ………..(T)he erosion in voters who hold favorable opinions of her has come from key parts of the GOP base, including very conservative GOP voters (from a +22 net rating in November to -19 in January), non-college Republicans (from +19 in November to -11 in January) and men (from +25 to -3).
    …………

    Haley retains national support among the Republican wine and brie (+22) and college educated crowds (+14, down from +41 in November) but not much else.

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  7. Let’s get all of the anti-democracy people together on one side of the room, along with all of the anti-capitalist people on the other side of the room (yeah, I know, there is some overlap between the two), flood the room with weapons, lock the doors, then see how things play out.

    JVW (49ad10)

  8. Haley would win a 3-way election against those two losers, although duopoly laws might prevent her from running. It would help a lot if the RNC declared the primaries over as that would likely make sore-loser laws inoperative.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  9. I’m not sure if Biden-Blinken would’ve said anything about settlements, but it’s clear they don’t like Netanyahu, who has his own legal and political issues and has been too indiscriminate in striking targets in Gaza.

    I agree with Israeli lawmakers about unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state, particularly when the leader of one its territories not only won’t recognize the Israeli state, but prefers a one-state solution where Israel doesn’t exist.

    Funny thing about the coverage of Israeli strikes on Gazan hospitals, where a handful of them have gotten hit, but hardly anyone takes notice of the hundreds of hospitals Putin has struck in the last years.

    Paul Montagu (383f45)

  10. DeSantis also crapped on many of the other VP prospects, stating he was told the search was focused on identity politics.

    urbanleftbehind (d71e8c)

  11. Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/23/2024 @ 11:26 am

    The settlements are wrong and have always been wrong. They do not contribute to Israel’s security; quite the opposite actually

    But now the real problem is the Arab opposition to the settlements. They will not be dismantled. Not after what happened in Gaza after 2005. And many have been there 50 years.

    If you want endless war, encourage the opposition to the settlements..

    And remember, according to them, the additional extension of Jerusalem made in 1968 and East Jerusalem itself are locations of settlements.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  12. Ooof…Fani, mani, foo, bani, Wade is in trouuuuble:
    https://technofog.substack.com/p/new-cell-phone-records-prove-da-willis


    We don’t like to go out on a limb – but these records are a game changer. Previously, we discussed whether Judge McAfee would determine whether there was an appearance of impropriety, given the conflicting testimony from witnesses about the romantic relationship.

    Now?

    These records are sufficient to erase any doubt in Judge McAfee’s mind. They support the testimony of Robin Yeartie, DA Willis’s former friend who testified that there was “no doubt” the relationship started before Wade became Special Prosecutor. They contradict the testimony from DA Willis and Wade. In other words, these records – which will likely be more thoroughly analyzed to show more damning late-night visits – make disqualification a likelihood, not just a possibility. (Although a likelihood still is guaranteed.)

    But disqualification would just be the start.

    Wade’s cell phone records also increase the exposure of DA Willis and Nathan Wade for criminal charges charges – including perjury/false statements, depending on the prosecutor. (Easy to imagine that a Democrat prosecutor wouldn’t take the case…) At a minimum, DA Willis and Wade face an increased potential for severe punishment from the Georgia Bar, whether suspension of their law licenses, disbarment, or other sanctions.

    Like we said, a game changer.

    The only thing I don’t like… is how the fark is it kosher for the defense to subpoena Willis’/Wade’s phone number meta data like this? Was this something Judge McAfee had to approve?

    whembly (5f7596)

  13. Hamas has moved a little in its negotiating position.

    What’s likely to happen in Gaza:

    There will be a temporary ceasefire, lasting for six weeks, that will take effect shortly before March 10.What is agreed to will have nothing to do with Israel’s negotiating position but only with time. The Arab states do not want Israel to invade Rafah. The ceasefire will be terminated by Hamas before all hostages are released or they will not negotiate the terms for all of them.

    If Israel stops, the situation will be that Israel occupies 7/8 of Gaza and Gaza will not be rebuilt. However, that may prevent a wider war, as if Israel destroys Hamas Hezbollah will launch a big attack.

    In any case, the Houthis will continue with their attacks on shipping in the Red Sea (except for allies like China )This will harm Egypt
    r but not international trade as new ships are becoming available and the world will adjust to the extra travel time

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  14. Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/23/2024 @ 12:54 pm

    Haley would win a 3-way election against those two losers, although duopoly laws might prevent her from running.

    Perceptions of electability need to change. The last I heard, Nikki Haley was polling at 12% in a 3-way race. Nikki Haley needs to poll second in any state she hopes to carry.

    It would help a lot if the RNC declared the primaries over

    They expect todo that on March 12, or if not, March 19.

    as that would likely make sore-loser laws inoperative.

    How so?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  15. Trump would’ve considered Stefanik if she looked more like Alina Habba and not fat, kinda like when Carrie Fisher said in the later Star Wars movies, that “They don’t want to hire all of me – only about three-quarters!”
    Instead, the NY House member who replaced Liz Cheney is getting third billing, making sh-t up that Democrats unconstitutionally rigged the 2020 election.

    Paul Montagu (383f45)

  16. Tulsi Gabbard would be a threat to biden if she was on the ticket with biden democrats praying nothing happened to trump. Item 8 I said this before The martyr’s power begins with his death and the tyrant’s power ends with his.

    asset (87aa8e)

  17. CBS seizes Catherine Herridge’s notes including confidential sources after firing her for reporting on biden’s increasing senility. (ace) I report on both sides perfidery.

    asset (87aa8e)

  18. A woman member of Congress from NJ said on a NPR or WNYC radio show that there are 300 votes in the House to aid Ukraine – it just needs to get to the floor.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  19. @16

    Tulsi Gabbard would be a threat to biden if she was on the ticket with biden democrats praying nothing happened to trump.

    asset (87aa8e) — 2/23/2024 @ 1:42 pm

    I initially poo-poo’ed this idea that Trump may select the Sweet Aloha™, Tulsi Gabbard…

    But… hear me out on this…

    Would that get Trump more urban women votes? More non-Biden Democrat voters?

    Forget what you know of Gabbard’s past political positions*. She’s a formidable politician in her own right, who has “evolved” and can still reach some traditional Democrat voters.

    *I abhor her anti-gun positions, but other than that, she was a more centrist Democrat.

    whembly (5f7596)

  20. The best line about Trump’s soulless sneakers here.

    Paul Montagu (383f45)

  21. Tulsi Gabbard would be a threat to biden if she was on the ticket ……..

    LOL!

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  22. Haley would win a 3-way election against those two losers…….

    More Comedy Gold!

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  23. #12

    I thought the cellphone data argument was familiar:

    “This kind of data is unreliable, as shown by a similar failed effort in the 2020 Mules case,” Eisen said, referring to a case that involved false claims made by election deniers in 2020 to use drop boxes to commit voter fraud. Moreover, Eisen said that the issue should have been raised earlier “when it could have been tested,” by Willis’ lawyers. Still, Eisen acknowledged that “as a general matter judges always care about the honesty of those appearing before them,” before noting that in this case the defense is “attempting to cross a bridge too far – and one that rests on shaky foundations.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-team-questions-fani-willis-nathan-wade-romantic-relationship-timing/

    Appalled (e73080)

  24. More Comedy Gold!

    More apocalypse cheering.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  25. Whatever Trump was being paid by whomever to make Kamala Harris the 47th President, the price just went up by $464,576,230.62.

    nk (4a8578)

  26. Perceptions of electability need to change. The last I heard, Nikki Haley was polling at 12% in a 3-way race. Nikki Haley needs to poll second in any state she hopes to carry.

    The $500 million she’d raise for the campaign would contribute to the perception change. She’s still getting money hand-over-fist for this doomed primary campaign. Some windmills just need to be fought.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  27. as that would likely make sore-loser laws inoperative.

    How so?

    Because those rely on their BEING a legitimate primary process. Sore-loser laws are suspect in presidential cont3ests anyway (Richard Winger says they are historically ignored) and not allowing her to compete would make even those barriers fall. It would be a quick federal injunction.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  28. Also problematic are deadlines for independents that are earlier than deadlines for major party candidates. Printing ballots only happens after the last candidate is accepted.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  29. Gabbard would be half of Russia’s dream presidential ticket. She is overtly pro-Putin, even going so far as to appear on Russian television with Tucker Carlson. At best she is a useful idiot, at worst an unofficial propagandist for Russia.

    Speaking on Fox News amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (in March 2022) , former Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard falsely claimed that Russia and the U.S. are largely the same when it comes to the suppression of free speech.
    ………..

    “This is what’s so dangerous about the place that we’re in right now as a country, where this idea, this principle, this foundation of freedom of speech, freedom of expression is directly under threat and under attack. And you’re right, it’s not so different. What’s happening here is not so different from what we’re seeing happening in Russia, where you’ve got state TV and controlled messaging across the board. This is where we’re at.”

    …………
    The claim is “absurd,” said Scott Gehlbach, a professor of political science and an expert on Russia and Ukraine at the University of Chicago.

    “In Russia, one can now face up to 15 years in prison for simply calling a war a war,” Gehlbach said. “In the U.S., citizens such as Tulsi Gabbard are free to make not only truthful but untruthful statements without fear of legal sanction.”
    …………
    “The state in Russia is criminalizing speech and locking people up,” said Rutgers Law School professor Ellen Goodman, the co-director of the university’s Institute for Information Policy and Law. “That is not happening in the U.S. — not at (the) hands of private parties or state.”
    ………..
    “Russia is exercising extraordinary powers of censorship unseen in Russia since the Soviet era,” said David Kaye, a clinical professor of law at the University of California, Irvine……….

    “Is there anything remotely like this in the United States? No,” Kaye said. “The U.S. government lacks power under the Constitution to engage in the kind of actions taking place in Russia.”
    …………
    And while mainstream U.S. news organizations sometimes produce similar coverage, that’s a far cry from “having that consensus chiefly stem from government coercion,” said UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, a Ukrainian-American and expert on First Amendment law. He added that speech in the U.S. is “immeasurably freer” than in Russia.
    ………….

    . Source

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  30. Haley would win a 3-way election against those two losers…….

    More Comedy Gold!

    Rip Murdock (61a54b) — 2/23/2024 @ 2:01 pm

    More Comedy Gold!

    More apocalypse cheering.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/23/2024 @ 2:07 pm

    Your “prediction” is, as usual, without any basis in reality and unlikely to happen.

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  31. No interest in Biden continuing to spit on the Constitution and the Supreme Court with his mass “debt forgiveness” vote buying schemes?

    Guess that doesn’t matter anymore, but attacking the pro-life movement is.

    NJRob (a8fad9)

  32. The last I heard, Nikki Haley was polling at 12% in a 3-way race.

    Source?

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  33. Haley would win a 3-way election against those two losers, although duopoly laws might prevent her from running. It would help a lot if the RNC declared the primaries over as that would likely make sore-loser laws inoperative.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/23/2024 @ 12:54 pm

    Not in the United States of America. Her supporters are a fringe movement who pretend they are better than the rest of America.

    NJRob (a8fad9)

  34. No interest in Biden continuing to spit on the Constitution and the Supreme Court with his mass “debt forgiveness” vote buying schemes?

    He’s not.

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  35. Her supporters are a fringe movement who pretend they are better than the rest of America.

    I suspect her voters see her as a better candidate overall. She is not facing 91 charges in 5 indictments, has not sexually assaulted anyone, has not fomented an insurrection, nor was she impeached when she was a governor. I don’t think her supporters pretend they are better than anyone else, I think they just have higher standards for the President of the United States. That does not make them better than anyone else, however, it does make them smarter than other voters who are voting Trump. I’m sure there are Haley voters who voted for Trump once upon a time, but have now realized how duped they were. It is a smart person who learns from their mistakes. But unfortunately, I think you are right her supporters are a fringe movement because MAGA *is* the Republican Party today.

    Dana (8e902f)

  36. Trump’s shortlist for VP, confirmed by the man-child himself: Byron Donalds, Tulsi Gabbard, Kristi Noem, Ron DeSantis, Tim Scott, and Vivek Ramaswamy.

    Consider the source. The only one who may or may not be a fifty-fifty possibility is Kristi Noem. The rest are just Trump having nothing to say and saying it.

    nk (3a4df0)

  37. Rip Murdock (61a54b) — 2/23/2024 @ 2:28 pm

    Flashback March 2022:

    ………….
    (Tulsi) Gabbard, who has long been accused of being an apologist for Putin and other dictators, has made frequent Fox News appearances of late to criticize the Biden response to increasing tensions. For the most part, she’s called for the United States to guarantee Russia that Ukraine will never join NATO while insisting Ukraine is not a democratic state but instead an “authoritarian” regime. Furthermore, she’s claimed Biden wants Putin to invade solely so he can impose crippling sanctions on Russia.

    After Putin finally declared on Monday that he would deploy “peacekeeping” troops to Ukraine after recognizing two “breakaway” states as independent, Gabbard appeared on Hannity’s primetime show to blast Vice President Kamala Harris for promising sanctions on Russia during the recent Munich Security Conference.
    …………
    Hannity brought up Gabbard’s assertion that all the U.S. needs to do to deter Russian military escalation is promise Putin that NATO won’t allow Ukraine to join.

    “Putin has made clear all along that their security, in his mind, is what’s at stake here. And they do not want to see U.S. and NATO troops,” she replied, prompting the conservative Fox News host to quickly push back.

    “I don’t want to interrupt you but Putin also said Ukraine is not a country and he has been saying this many many years, so these territorial ambitions have existed a long time,” Hannity said.
    ………….
    Acknowledging that Putin’s feelings about Ukraine “go way back,” Gabbard said she wanted “to stay focused on the security component” before reiterating her belief that a NATO promise will convince Putin to back off.
    ………….
    Hannity, however, remained unconvinced.

    “I might be a little more suspicious than you in believing that,” he concluded. “I think this very personal for Putin, and he is taking this as Russian land and we will take it.”
    #########

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  38. Getting a strong vibe that Gabbard is the most feared choice.

    lloyd (d2e75b)

  39. Democrats using arcane parliamentary procedures to get Ukraine aid passed in the House, but won’t do that for a border bill. What a surprise. Oh wait… the Senate didn’t even pass it.

    lloyd (d22f13)

  40. @23

    #12

    I thought the cellphone data argument was familiar:

    “This kind of data is unreliable, as shown by a similar failed effort in the 2020 Mules case,” Eisen said, referring to a case that involved false claims made by election deniers in 2020 to use drop boxes to commit voter fraud. Moreover, Eisen said that the issue should have been raised earlier “when it could have been tested,” by Willis’ lawyers. Still, Eisen acknowledged that “as a general matter judges always care about the honesty of those appearing before them,” before noting that in this case the defense is “attempting to cross a bridge too far – and one that rests on shaky foundations.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-team-questions-fani-willis-nathan-wade-romantic-relationship-timing/

    Appalled (e73080) — 2/23/2024 @ 2:04 pm

    Except cellphone data is commonly used in Fulton Co. murder cases.

    Sure, it’s circumstantial evidence… but it’s a hell strong one.

    My initial issue as to how the defense could even subpoena a prosecutor’s cellphone data is the fact that PIs can get certified in accessing such information in the same way has police investigators do.

    whembly (5f7596)

  41. @31

    No interest in Biden continuing to spit on the Constitution and the Supreme Court with his mass “debt forgiveness” vote buying schemes?

    Guess that doesn’t matter anymore, but attacking the pro-life movement is.

    NJRob (a8fad9) — 2/23/2024 @ 2:34 pm

    I mean, weren’t we supposed to have norms and more “adults” in the Whitehouse with this administration?

    whembly (5f7596)

  42. NJRob (a8fad9) — 2/23/2024 @ 2:34 pm

    whembly (5f7596) — 2/23/2024 @ 4:47 pm

    Asked and answered. Whether you choose to understand the answer, or are willfully ignoring it, is up to you.

    IF Biden was defying the Supreme Court (he’s not) you would think conservative public interest law organizations would be challenging his subsequent student loan programs in court (but they’re not). That’s because the Administration has been using existing authorities to grant the relief.

    The Supreme Court ruled that the Biden Administration could not use the HEROES Act (Higher Education Relief Opportunities for Students Act of 2003) to grant student loan relief, but it didn’t forbid the Administration from using other laws and programs to do the same thing, only on a smaller scale.

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  43. Nah Rip,

    we know you’re fine with the leftist vote buying schemes. We know Biden has said repeatedly he’ll break the law and dare the Supreme Court to stop him. But carry on carrying water. It’s all good as long as you’re NeverTrump. Destroy it all to stop him.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  44. Nothing on the never ending invasion of our sovereign territory either.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  45. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/02/democrats-congress-trump-january-6/677545/

    Murray and other legal scholars say that, absent clear guidance from the Supreme Court, a Trump win could lead to a constitutional crisis in Congress. Democrats would have to choose between confirming a winner many of them believe is ineligible and defying the will of voters who elected him. Their choice could be decisive: As their victory in a House special election in New York last week demonstrated, Democrats have a serious chance of winning a majority in Congress in November, even if Trump recaptures the presidency on the same day. If that happens, they could have the votes to prevent him from taking office.

    In interviews, senior House Democrats would not commit to certifying a Trump win, saying they would do so only if the Supreme Court affirms his eligibility. But during oral arguments, liberal and conservative justices alike seemed inclined to dodge the question of his eligibility altogether and throw the decision to Congress.

    Here’s something to give a thrill up the leg of NeverTrump as they pretend to uphold tradition and the Constitution.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  46. NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/23/2024 @ 5:41 pm

    I’ll put you in the “willfully ignorant” category.

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  47. We know Biden has said repeatedly he’ll break the law and dare the Supreme Court to stop him.

    Source?

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  48. https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/02/23/breaking-wade-cellphone-data-exposes-willis-testimony-as-false-n3783467

    These records are sufficient to erase any doubt in Judge McAfee’s mind. They support the testimony of Robin Yeartie, DA Willis’s former friend who testified that there was “no doubt” the relationship started before Wade became Special Prosecutor. They contradict the testimony from DA Willis and Wade. In other words, these records – which will likely be more thoroughly analyzed to show more damning late-night visits – make disqualification a likelihood, not just a possibility. (Although a likelihood still is guaranteed.)

    But disqualification would just be the start.

    Wade’s cell phone records also increase the exposure of DA Willis and Nathan Wade for criminal charges charges – including perjury/false statements, depending on the prosecutor. (Easy to imagine that a Democrat prosecutor wouldn’t take the case…) At a minimum, DA Willis and Wade face an increased potential for severe punishment from the Georgia Bar, whether suspension of their law licenses, disbarment, or other sanctions.

    Trying to dismiss this evidence shows how deep down the NeverTrump hole some will go.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  49. Rip,

    you’re a waste of time.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  50. Ouch!

    A Manhattan jury on Friday ordered the National Rifle Association’s former longtime leader Wayne LaPierre to pay more than $4.3 million back to the gun-rights group for misspending its charitable funds.
    …………
    (New York Attorney General Letitia James) alleged that LaPierre spent millions of dollars in NRA charitable assets on private plane trips for himself and his family and vacationed multiple times in the Bahamas on the yacht of an NRA vendor. In addition, attorneys for the state said he arranged lucrative financial deals with company insiders that didn’t benefit the NRA.
    ………….
    With one dissenting vote, the jury ordered LaPierre to pay back $5.4 million, minus what he had already reimbursed the group, which they calculated at just more than $1 million. The group’s former chief financial officer, Wilson “Woody” Phillips, was ordered to pay the NRA $2 million.
    …………
    The liability verdict against the NRA makes it more likely that the court will subject the NRA to financial oversight.…..

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  51. Rip,

    you’re a waste of time.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/23/2024 @ 5:55 pm

    Feel free to block me.

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  52. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/biden-brags-supreme-court-didn-t-stop-him-from-canceling-student-loans-he-s-happy-to-break-the-law/

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/1763880/biden-admits-he-is-proudly-and-deliberately-breaking-the-law/

    And on and on.

    For a guy who repeatedly spams the board with pages and pages of someone else’s thoughts, it’s amazing you couldn’t do a cursory amount of research.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  53. GALLUP: President Biden Job Approval

    Approve: 38% [-3]
    Disapprove: 59% [+5]

    The Economy: 36-61 (-25)
    Foreign affairs: 33-62 (-29)
    Immigration: 28-67 (-39, new low)

    [Change vs January]

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  54. https://twitter.com/WadeMiller_USMC/status/1761015125673222572

    Leftwing MSDNC explaining why so many hate and are afraid of “Christian nationalists.” Explains how they and so many others truly think.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  55. NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/23/2024 @ 5:59 pm

    I’m not interested in doing someone else’s research.

    I’m surprised that the House Republicans haven’t impeached him just for that comment.

    Rip Murdock (61a54b)

  56. Not in the United States of America. Her supporters are a fringe movement who pretend they are better than the rest of America.

    Well, your mainstream candidate today said that he’d send the DOJ after Haley once he got into office. Do you agree that Trump should send the DoJ after Haley?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13119241/Trump-threatens-biggest-stock-market-crash-HISTORY-loses-Biden-claims-five-things-DOJ-investigate-Haley-wild-speech-MAGA-fans-South-Carolina-primary.html

    Trump said to roughly 6,000 attendees that he didn’t want to spend too much time talking about Haley, but conceded it was necessary to discuss his primary competitor with polls opening Saturday morning.

    He told the arena of supporters on Friday afternoon that the Justice Department could launch a handful of investigations into Haley, but said he wouldn’t name for what crimes.

    He also told his supporters to dump all their stocks if he loses, to cause a crash.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  57. @31 So you agree with the alabama supreme court that a fertilized egg at ivf center is a child? Hope republicans run on that!

    asset (caf925)

  58. As a democrat a no labels Nikki Haley/Tulsi Gabbard would scare the you know what out of biden and the d.n.c. Nikki would counter Tulsi’s soft on putin.

    asset (caf925)

  59. He’s a loony. Ranting at random. He won’t make it to the convention.

    nk (5fcdd7)

  60. He doesn’t run the DOJ. He’d do the same thing he did with Hillary which is chant against her on the campaign trail then say she’s a nice women and we need to move on.

    Unlike the left, Trump is all bark and no bite.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  61. Many seem to believe that if the GOP would only nominate someone the media and democrats like, media will recognize her intellect, opponents concede her decency, and voters will swarm to the polls for someone who stands for….well, fought for….. Not you NJRob, Loyd or Sammy, but a lot of people.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (dd05f6)

  62. @61 Biden won electoral collage in 2020 by 43,000 votes so it wouldn’t take much. Nikki Haley’s more moderate approach on abortion is keeping her in the race and donations forcing trump to moderate slightly. NJ Robb still waiting for you to say that a fertilized egg at a IVF center is a child.

    asset (caf925)

  63. Well, when the Supreme Court demonstrates its political independence by declaring that Trump is an insurrectionist and therefore disqualified (9-0, decision by Thomas) there will be a lot of tears all around.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  64. @63 Can I take the other side of that bet and hope I lose and you win.

    asset (caf925)

  65. Asset,

    federalism.It’s why our nation exists. I don’t live in Alabama. They have the right to decide.

    You want to murder babies that are crowning on the delivery table. Don’t try and play moralist.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  66. @47

    We know Biden has said repeatedly he’ll break the law and dare the Supreme Court to stop him.

    Source?

    Rip Murdock (61a54b) — 2/23/2024 @ 5:51 pm

    Why are you purposely being pedantic?

    To understand where folks like me and NJRob, Mr. Cooke pretty much nailed it here:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/02/bidens-student-loan-lawlessness-must-not-go-unanswered/


    Why? Because what President Biden has done here represents an extraordinary violation of the social compact, that’s why. This isn’t alms for the poor; it’s a brazen cash-grab by Joe Biden’s friends. Biden likes college graduates in a way that he doesn’t like small-business owners, plumbers, or waitresses, so he has decided to send the property of small-business owners, plumbers, and waitresses to those college graduates. That’s it. That’s the whole game. There’s no principle here; the debts owed by others remain untouched. There’s no reform here; the education system remains exactly as it was before this started. The game is exactly how it looks: Peter, general contractor, has been robbed to pay Paul, Ph.D. It’s shameless class politics — and not in that dishonest boy-made-good-from-Scranton way that Joe Biden likes to pretend. To the victors, the spoils.

    The civic implications are also grotesque. On Twitter, Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern says that John Roberts blocked President Biden’s flagrantly illegal attempt to conduct a massive one-time transfer because he wanted “anti-Biden leftists” to “blame the president for their continued student debt.” But this is exactly the wrong way around. Roberts blocked Biden’s order because, as everyone — even Nancy Pelosi — knew, it was unconstitutional. It is Biden who has been attracted to the rank politics of the thing, having first taken the opportunity to demagogue the judiciary for having had the temerity to do its job, and then having engaged in an attempt to make Americans believe that he is bravely defying that judiciary’s order. “The Supreme Court blocked it,” Biden said this week. “But that didn’t stop me.”

    whembly (a43e5a)

  67. The Alabama court ruled last week that embryos made by fertility treatments and stored in a medical facility should be considered children under the state’s law that governs harmful [?] prolly ment “wrongful”] death. The decision was relatively narrow, applying to a specific case in which three couples sued a clinic for inadvertently dropping and destroying their embryos.

    But libtards will tard, nuts will wing, and the Fake News Media will have something to sell internet service and car insurance with.

    nk (f755c4)

  68. whembly (a43e5a) — 2/24/2024 @ 5:48 am

    Your demonstration of patience with the ignorant, while instructing them, is worthy of admiration, Whembly.

    felipe (5045ed)

  69. Her supporters are a fringe movement who pretend they are better than the rest of America.

    I support Haley, I’m not fringe, and I am a better American than those who support an unpatriotic, un-American piece of human garbage like Trump.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  70. nk (f755c4) — 2/24/2024 @ 6:38 am

    Y’know, if I were a lawmaker, I’d chose “human beings” over “children” when making law in order to acknowledge the truth that the spectrum of humanity spans many distinct stages, from embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, pre-teen, teenager – all the way up to Presidential vegetable and beyond.

    The use of the vague term “children” has already been used as camouflage to make acceptable, the otherwise exclusion of deaths of young adults (sometimes gang-related), in order to increase the group size harmed by “gun violence” that inspire the greatest public sympathy. Y’know, “children.”

    felipe (5045ed)

  71. Oh, and since IANAL, I’ve not touched upon the vocabulary choice of those who issue legal opinions.

    felipe (5045ed)

  72. The ambulance chasers who sued the clinic on behalf of the prospective parents probably thought they could get more money under the state’s wrongful death statute than from negligent infliction of extreme emotional distress (if Alabama even recognizes such a cause of action), and the Alabama justices remembered when that one-third contingency fee gave them bacon to go with their grits when they were lawyers and they said “Shoah, wha’y not?”

    nk (65c950)

  73. I think that in this case “children” means the family relationship necessary for a cause of action under the statute.

    nk (65c950)

  74. nk (65c950) — 2/24/2024 @ 7:29 am

    Oh, man, I feel like Imma burn in hell for laughing at that -I denounce myself!

    nk (65c950) — 2/24/2024 @ 7:38 am

    Thanks, nk, you complete me.

    felipe (5045ed)

  75. Why are you purposely being pedantic?

    Because I like dealing with facts, and when someone makes an assertion I want to know the source or the basis for it.

    For example, I know Kevin M’s flat out statement in post 63 has no basis in reality, one just has to laugh out loud. Just not gonna happen.

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  76. Well, when the Supreme Court demonstrates its political independence by declaring that Trump is an insurrectionist and therefore disqualified (9-0, decision by Thomas) there will be a lot of tears all around.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/23/2024 @ 10:44 pm

    🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  77. Presidents do control the Justice Department; it is a myth that it is independent. There is no constitutional or statutory prohibition preventing a President from directing the DOJ in its duties, just as the President can direct other cabinet departments. Any “independence” is merely tradition.

    Being pedantic again.

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  78. He’s a loony. Ranting at random. He won’t make it to the convention.

    nk (5fcdd7) — 2/23/2024 @ 7:16 pm

    Well, when the Supreme Court demonstrates its political independence by declaring that Trump is an insurrectionist and therefore disqualified (9-0, decision by Thomas) there will be a lot of tears all around.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/23/2024 @ 10:44 pm

    Can I take the other side of that bet and hope I lose and you win.

    asset (caf925) — 2/24/2024 @ 1:23 am

    I’ll take those bets and win. Trump will be nominated at the convention (whether he’s physically there or attending a trial) and the Supreme Court will do no such thing. In fact, they might rule 9-0 in favor of Trump.

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  79. Presidents do control the Justice Department; it is a myth that it is independent. There is no constitutional or statutory prohibition preventing a President from directing the DOJ in its duties, just as the President can direct other cabinet departments. Any “independence” is merely tradition.

    Being pedantic again.

    Rip Murdock (807135) — 2/24/2024 @ 8:53 am

    Do tell. The Dept actively worked against Trump during his 4 years. They only work with the President when they push the same ideology like how they have jumped through hoops to protect Biden.

    Do better.

    NJRob (760867)

  80. Well, when the Supreme Court demonstrates its political independence by declaring that Trump is an insurrectionist and therefore disqualified (9-0, decision by Thomas) there will be a lot of tears all around.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/23/2024 @ 10:44 pm

    1. Based on the questions during the SC hearing, I doubt a majority of the Court will take that position; Trump’s responsibility for the insurrection was barely mentioned.

    2. At best the vote would be 7-2 with Thomas and Alito dissenting. The two have consistently agreed with Trump’s arguments in the various investigation cases that have reached the Court, such as the appeals to obtain Trump’s tax returns from the Mazars accounting firm.

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  81. NJRob (760867) — 2/24/2024 @ 9:27 am

    Trump’s inability to control his own DOJ is on him. He had the authority to fire and replace its leadership, he just failed to use it. As I said, there is nothing in the law that would have prevented him from doing so.

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  82. Matt Gaetz picks up the Kremlin narrative on Navalny.
    I’m definitely a better American than this putz.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  83. Trump could have ordered Sessions not to name a special counsel; and he could have fired Sessions for doing so and replaced him with someone who would remove Mueller.

    It’s been done before.

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  84. Two years ago, Patterico’s pre-invasion entry and Dana’s post-2/24/2022 open thread on Putin’s invasion.

    Trump didn’t condemn Putin’s invasion, nor Putin’s subsequent war crimes and assassinations. Nor did Trump call for Putin end his illegal, unprovoked invasion. Did he offer any solidarity or sympathy toward the victims of Putin’s land-grubbing aggression? None that I could see.
    I’m also a better American than Trump. Waaaaay better.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  85. Brothers under the skin:

    Former President Donald Trump claimed that Black people like him because he has faced discrimination in the legal system, which is something they can relate to.

    “I got indicted a second time and a third time and a fourth time, and a lot of people said that that’s why the Black people like me, because they have been hurt so badly and discriminated against, and they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against,” he said.

    “I’m being indicted for you, the American people. I’m being indicted for you, the Black population. I am being indicted for a lot of different groups by sick people, these are sick sick people,” Trump said Friday night in a speech at the Black Conservative Federation’s annual gala, at which he received the “Champion of Black America” award.
    ………….
    “Some of the greatest evils in our nation’s history have come from corrupt systems that try to target and subjugate others to deny them their freedom and to deny them their rights,” Trump said. “I think that’s why the Black people are so much on my side now because they see what’s happening to me happens to them.”
    ………….
    “My mug shot — we’ve all seen the mug shot, and you know who embraced it more than anybody else? The Black population,” Trump said. “You see Black people walking around with my mug shot, you know, they do shirts and they sell them for $19 apiece. It’s pretty amazing — millions by the way.”
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  86. Because I like dealing with facts, and when someone makes an assertion I want to know the source or the basis for it.

    You primarily repeat polls, which are professional wishcasting. Don’t call them “facts.”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  87. 1. Based on the questions during the SC hearing, I doubt a majority of the Court will take that position; Trump’s responsibility for the insurrection was barely mentioned.

    It’s interesting what they asked and what they did not.

    Fir example, they did not really touch upon whether the acts on J6 were an insurrection and even Trump’s lawyer did not want to defend it. They focused mostly on whether a state could make this determination (as that was the actual case before them) and seemed to conclude that Colorado could not, but not with a great deal of conviction. Some wanted to duck it all entirely on cowardly grounds.

    The real focus of what I hear was this: for a Presidential contest, this cannot be done state by state with inconsistent procedures; that would be chaos. Any disqualification would have to be through some national decision. Congress has not created any such process, but it was left as an open question whether Congress had to — the self-executing argument had weight.

    Given all that, they will certainly strike down the Colorado court’s decision. But it is unclear if they will leave it at that.

    If they address the national-disqualification portion of the problem (“a broad decision”) they could say A) that Congress needs to provide a procedure and has not done so, or B) there have been sufficient evidence-based adversarial procedures (the Senate trial, the Colorado trial court) and other fora (the House committee) and a preponderance of the evidence produced says that there was an Insurrection and that Trump instigated it and allowed it to happen. This would be the “self-executing” path and it is not unreasonable that the Supreme Court should be the adjudicator.

    In the latter case they could find their way to a disqualification. No, I don’t expect it either. But I would not bet my house against it.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  88. As far as not talking about Trump’s responsibility, that is likely because they all knew he WAS responsible. No one on that court is in Trump’s cult.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  89. 2. At best the vote would be 7-2 with Thomas and Alito dissenting. The two have consistently agreed with Trump’s arguments in the various investigation cases that have reached the Court, such as the appeals to obtain Trump’s tax returns from the Mazars accounting firm.

    Any disqualification would want to be unanimous. I could see Thomas recusing for personal reasons. The stuff with tax records is a different animal — I might well have voted with Thomas and Alito as the House was transparently lying to the Court about its reasons, as their immediate release of the records to the public made clear. The decision will come back to bite them.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  90. @68

    whembly (a43e5a) — 2/24/2024 @ 5:48 am

    Your demonstration of patience with the ignorant, while instructing them, is worthy of admiration, Whembly.

    felipe (5045ed) — 2/24/2024 @ 6:39 am

    Appreciate the sentiments felipe.

    I think this is how we teach each other our perspectives by extending as much patients as one can muster.

    whembly (a43e5a)

  91. @81

    NJRob (760867) — 2/24/2024 @ 9:27 am

    Trump’s inability to control his own DOJ is on him. He had the authority to fire and replace its leadership, he just failed to use it. As I said, there is nothing in the law that would have prevented him from doing so.

    Rip Murdock (807135) — 2/24/2024 @ 9:56 am

    I hope Trump does win, and then fires every top-line leadership positions in the DOJ.

    If nothing else, that’ll spark the arguments that the DOJ truly only enjoys their position in the executive branch at the pleasure of the President.

    whembly (a43e5a)

  92. @91

    Trump says Black voters like him more because of his indictments and mug shot

    Racist much?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 11:13 am

    tbf, there are plenty of blacks online attesting to that.

    whembly (a43e5a)

  93. Do tell. The Dept actively worked against Trump during his 4 years. They only work with the President when they push the same ideology like how they have jumped through hoops to protect Biden.

    I have to agree with NJRob here, and it’s not just the DoJ. The civil service protects all but the very top jobs in each agency, policy-making extends well below those levels, and those policy-making officials are monolithically left-of-center in almost every agency. It has been self-perpetuating for some time now. When presidential appointees attempt to effect control of civil service positions the screaming is intense — see Alberto Gonzalez’s fights to support W’s anti-terrorist initiatives in a DoJ that was intransigently against.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  94. tbf, there are plenty of blacks online attesting to that.

    There are far more blacks online supporting BLM. Does that make BLM right?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  95. I’m also a better American than Trump. Waaaaay better.

    Trump’s mother wasn’t born here, so he’s not really American.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  96. You primarily repeat polls, which are professional wishcasting. Don’t call them “facts.”

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 10:47 am

    Which so far have panned out.

    Rip Murdock (807135)

  97. If you go to a blog to proclaim you’re a better American, you’re really not.

    lloyd (83e6e1)

  98. Oh, but I am. Waaay better.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  99. I don’t make Putin-fellating bogus equivalencies, and I don’t put my personal ambitions above my country.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  100. Oh, but I am. Waaay better.

    Then why do you hide behind the “my vote doesn’t count in my state” skirt?

    A better American would move to a state where they could make a difference and not just sit around and complain, IMO.

    BuDuh (7da1a9)

  101. Then why do you hide behind the “my vote doesn’t count in my state” skirt?

    A basic fact is hiding? This is why you’re a liar, BuDuh.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  102. Odds are pretty good that Paul is a better American than Donald Trump. Just at random they’re pretty good.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  103. I might well have voted with Thomas and Alito as the House was transparently lying to the Court about its reasons, as their immediate release of the records to the public made clear. The decision will come back to bite them.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 11:11 am

    There are two Mazars cases, both decided 7-2 with Alito and Thomas dissenting.

    The first one (Trump v. Vance) involved a subpoena to Mazars for Trump’s tax records from the Manhattan DA’s office as part of the hush money payments investigation.

    The second , Trump v. Mazars USA, involved a subpoena from the House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Reform issued to Mazars. The Supreme Court ruled that Congress could not see the same records received by the Manhattan DA’s office at that time, but directed lower courts to examine whether Congress should narrow the parameters of the information it sought.

    You may be thinking of the House Ways and Means Committee request for Trump’s tax returns from the Treasury Department under Internal Revenue Code Section 6103(f), which allows such disclosure. The Supreme Court denied, in an unsigned order and without any dissent, Trump’s request for a stay.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  104. A better American would move to a state where they could make a difference and not just sit around and complain, IMO.

    BuDuh (7da1a9) — 2/24/2024 @ 12:11 pm

    LOL!

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  105. Whatever. All the same fishing expedition for the same political purposes.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  106. Trump says his prosecution is making him appealing to black men! (AP)

    asset (9403ab)

  107. @65 You didn’t answer the question wither YOU believe a fertilized egg at a IVT center is a child. Do you find the question to difficult to answer?

    asset (9403ab)

  108. @67 We our cutting the ads now. Thanks Alabama (Neil Young sings it) Looks like own goal.

    asset (9403ab)

  109. Monday at the Court:

    Social media content moderation laws come before Supreme Court

    The justices on Monday will consider the constitutionality of controversial laws in Texas and Florida that would regulate how large social media companies like Facebook and X (formerly known as Twitter) control content posted on their sites.

    Defending the laws, Texas and Florida characterize them as simply efforts to “address discrimination by social-media platforms.” But the tech groups challenging the laws counter that the laws are “an extraordinary assertion of governmental power over expression that violates the First Amendment in multiple ways.”

    The legislatures in Texas and Florida passed the laws in 2021 in response to a belief that social media companies were censoring their users, especially those with conservative views. As they are drafted, the laws do not apply to conservative social media platforms like Parler, Gab, and Truth Social.

    Although the two states’ laws are not identical, there are themes that are common to both. Both contain, for example, provisions that limit the choices that social media platforms can make about which user-generated content to present to the public and how. For example, the Florida law bars social media platforms from banning candidates for political office, as well as from limiting the exposure of those candidates’ posts. Both laws also contain provisions requiring social media platforms to provide individualized explanations to users about the platforms’ editorial decisions.

    Two trade groups representing social media platforms – including Google, which owns YouTube, X (formerly known as Twitter), and Meta, which owns Facebook – went to federal court to challenge the laws.

    A federal district judge in Tallahassee, Florida, barred the state from enforcing most of the law. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit left that ruling in effect, agreeing that the main provisions of the Florida law likely violate the First Amendment. The state then came to the Supreme Court in 2022, asking the justices to weigh in.

    A federal judge in Austin, Texas put that state’s law on hold before it could go into effect, but the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit disagreed. That prompted the tech groups to come to the Supreme Court, which in May 2022 temporarily blocked the law while the tech groups’ appeal continued.

    After the 5th Circuit ultimately upheld the law, the tech groups returned to the Supreme Court, which agreed last fall to review both states’ laws.

    Given the high-handed way that some sites block comments or commenters, some regulation is justified. For example, the WaPo blocks commenters forever, without explanation or appeal other than a vague statement about violating community standards. The offending comment is never specified. That you must be a paying customer to comment should grant some basic courtesy, but it does not.

    As control of the public square has moved to the corporate space, there is some danger that the 1st amendment right to free speech may become obsolete, or relegated to the most trivial and ineffective means while the corporate voice is unfettered.

    I expect some very narrow decisions here. Little baby steps. But this is a matter that will need to be hashed out over the next decade or two. Those who espouse absolutist positions, on either side, are both uninteresting and wrong.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  110. Thanks Alabama (Neil Young sings it) Looks like own goal.

    As has been explained above, the actual decision was a narrow ruling on a personal-injury suit. Someone accidentally destroyed a couple’s stored embryos and they wanted recompense.

    The megaphone of the corporate press has made this a huge issue, but it really is not.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  111. Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 12:57 pm

    The Florida and Texas “solutions” are in search of a problem. It’s not government’s role to referee the interaction between private media companies and their willing customers. The country needs to come to a consensus before any sort of regulation is imposed on social media platforms.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  112. As has been explained above, the actual decision was a narrow ruling on a personal-injury suit.

    Declaring frozen embryos as “extrauterine children” under Alabama law would certainly imply that all laws that apply to born children would apply to frozen embryos. Just because the Alabama AG says no one will be prosecuted doesn’t mean squat. A local DA makes those decisions, and may interpret the law differently.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  113. It’s not government’s role to referee the interaction between private media companies and their willing customers.

    As I said, “Those who espouse absolutist positions, on either side, are both uninteresting and wrong.”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  114. Declaring frozen embryos as “extrauterine children” under Alabama law would certainly imply that all laws that apply to born children

    Only those laws that apply to torts. Do you think that lawsuits demanding compensation for the death of a fetus in a traffic accident implies that fetuses have all the rights of children?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  115. You didn’t answer the question wither YOU believe a fertilized egg at a IVT center is a child. Do you find the question to difficult to answer?

    asset (9403ab) — 2/24/2024 @ 12:49 pm

    Life begins at conception. That’s a fact. An embryo is the beginning stage of human life. That’s a fact.

    You believe abortion should be legal up to and including the child’s head crowning. That’s a fact.

    I believe we should restrict abortion after 12 weeks like most civilized nations do and we should educate people to understand that abortion kills a life.

    Not difficult.

    NJRob (760867)

  116. CPAC is exhibiting a lot more tolerance at their 2024 convention…of Nazis.

    NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. — Nazis appeared to find a friendly reception at the Conservative Political Action Conference this year.

    Throughout the conference, racist extremists, some of whom had secured official CPAC badges, openly mingled with conference attendees and espoused antisemitic conspiracy theories.

    The presence of these individuals has been a persistent issue at CPAC. In previous years, conference organizers have ejected well-known Nazis and white supremacists such as Nick Fuentes.

    But this year, racist conspiracy theorists didn’t meet any perceptible resistance at the conference where Donald Trump has been the keynote speaker since 2017.

    At the Young Republican mixer Friday evening, a group of Nazis who openly identified as national socialists mingled with mainstream conservative personalities, including some from Turning Point USA, and discussed so-called “race science” and antisemitic conspiracy theories.

    One member of the group, Greg Conte, who attended the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, said that his group showed up to talk to the media. He said that the group was prepared to be ejected if CPAC organizers were tipped off, but that never happened.

    Another, Ryan Sanchez, who was previously part of the Nazi “Rise Above Movement,” took photos and videos of himself at the conference with an official badge and touted associations with Fuentes.

    I can see why attendance is way down.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  117. CPAC used to be about conservative ideas….now it’s about Christian Nationalism and fluffing Trump. Clean.Your.House.

    Too many “conservatives” have blinders on. Your moral authority to persuade voters is compromised when you continue to associate with morally-questionable individuals. This used to be self evident.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  118. Only those laws that apply to torts. Do you think that lawsuits demanding compensation for the death of a fetus in a traffic accident implies that fetuses have all the rights of children?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 1:35 pm

    If the state decides they are children, then yes. I’m sure they are under the Alabama personhood constitutional amendment passed in 2018 and their Wrongful Death of a Minor Act. As the Alabama SC said:

    The court ruled the patient could, writing that it had long held that “unborn children are ‘children’” and that that was also true for frozen embryos, affording the fertilized eggs the same protection as babies under the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act.

    “It applies to all children, born and unborn, without limitation,” the court wrote. “It is not the role of this Court to craft a new limitation based on our own view of what is or is not wise public policy. That is especially true where, as here, the People of this State have adopted a Constitutional amendment directly aimed at stopping courts from excluding ‘unborn life’ from legal protection.”

    My emphasis.

    What should be the answer if a couple divorces, and one parent decides they don’t want their genetic material to be shared with their ex-spouse? Or if a couple decides to destroy their “extrauterine children” if they have completed IVF treatments or decided to move out of state.

    This concept can easily be applied to criminal law. I could see some enterprising DA deciding to charge those who seek to destroy their frozen embryos (sorry, extrauterine children) with manslaughter or murder. Under this decision, , this is not far-fetched.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  119. As I said, “Those who espouse absolutist positions, on either side, are both uninteresting and wrong.”

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 1:33 pm

    And as I said, the country needs to come to a consensus before any regulation of social media occurs.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  120. Catoggio on the Alabama IVF case.

    If those surplus embryos are now children under the law, is destroying them … murder? Probably not: Alabama’s murder statute limits its definition of a “person” to an “unborn child in utero.” But it’s anyone’s guess what sort of civil liability a clinic that destroys a fertilized egg might have going forward.

    So it came to be that a ruling vindicating the sanctity of life at the earliest stage of development has momentarily deprived many hopeful couples in Alabama of having children of their own.

    Makes sense. Personally, it’s not clear to me if life can officially start in a test tube. A uterus inside a woman’s body seems the more convincing place to me, and Trump appears to share that opinion, for now.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  121. it’s not clear to me if life can officially start in a test tube.

    Life starts when life starts. The Law cannot create life any more than it can set pi equal to 3.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  122. What is at stake is 1) whether donors have ownership rights to a frozen embryo and 2) to what degree custodians of those embryos are responsible for their continue viability.

    I do think that calling a frozen embryo “alive” is technically incorrect since they are not doing anything to warrant that description. They are potential life, and can become non-viable, but as they are they are not alive.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  123. At 6:58 EST it’s a TIE in S.C.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  124. Thanks for the far left talking points guys.

    Christian Nationalism is the new buzz word from the radical left to scare people and ostracize Christians. At least we know where some stand.

    NJRob (760867)

  125. Nikki’s problem is that she’s not white, barely Cristian and female. And the idea of a “White Christian Country” is neither new, nor from the Left.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  126. Kevin with the leftist talking points now.

    Getting really ugly on here

    NJRob (760867)

  127. 84: Paul, he sent arms to the Ukraine which Obama never did; he urged NATO countries to meet their commitments to a 2% of GDP military budget which they had declined to do for decades; that failure by NATO “Allies” is crimping their ability to help the Ukraine now, and entices Putin to be aggressive. He opposed Nordstream II, even as the Germans, lusting for Russian gas, went ahead with it. And even as unserious people here, anxious to slam Trump more than anything, praised Angela Merkel as she did deals with Putin’s evil regime.

    As Trump called on NATO to rearm, and opposed the Nordstream 2, anti-Trumpers missed the serious, Grown-Up world urgency of these things. Instead, they had nothing but words–on websites, in newspapers, in magazines–endlessly objecting to Trump’s “harsh” tone with NATO allies, and hand-wringing lamentations on his lack of “experience” which turned out to have been a better base for policy than all the establishment’s worry over “alienating” NATO allies who won’t fund their own militaries. Even now, years after Putin moved against Ukraine, NATO powers are years–years–behind any real readiness. Someone was right before 2022. Sorry it wasn’t you.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (3bd47d)

  128. A complete blowout in South Carolina.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  129. Noem, Ramaswamy tied for Trump VP pick in CPAC straw poll
    ……….
    Attendees at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) gave Noem and Ramaswamy 15 percent each when asked whom they believed Trump should pick as his running mate for 2024.
    ………….
    In Saturday’s straw poll, former Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard came in second at 9 percent, followed by House Republican Conference Chair Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) and Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) at 8 percent.

    Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) notched 7 percent, Arizona Senate candidate Kari Lake received 6 percent, while former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and Arkansas Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders (R) each got 5 percent.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  130. As much as it pains me to agree with asset, I would *love* to see Trump nominate Tulsi Gabbard for VP.

    I’d much rather see her in office than either Biden or Trump, and given BOAR’s health, I’d bet she’ll be president sooner rather than later.

    Plus as far as I can tell she is *not* a rubber stamp for BOAR, and if Congress is absolutely determined to send more money to Ukraine, they can do it without her approval.

    qdpsteve again (0e5649)

  131. You primarily repeat polls, which are professional wishcasting. Don’t call them “facts.”

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 10:47 am

    With one or two exceptions (like American Research Group polls) most of the polling has been remarkably consistent (and correct).

    Rip Murdock (eaad4d)

  132. HFM, Obama started the 2% thing in 2014, around the same time Putin invaded the Donbas-Crimean regions of Ukraine.

    I’m not going to argue about Obama being too soft with Putin, because he was. His DoD people initially spun the Crimean invasion as an “uncontested arrival”, and Obama was months too late with sanctions and condemnations, and he was foolish to not deliver arms to the country.

    I’m also not going to argue about Biden’s general ineptness before Putin’s invasion two years ago, because he was inept. But he’s been right about Ukraine since then (except for being too slow and not enough) and Trump has been wrong, and he’s galactically wrong in stonewalling aid today.

    Trump was right to demand that other nations up their defense spending, but he kept stupidly referring to it as not paying their fair share, as if there was some sort of multinational defense fund they were obligated to pay into. Trump was also right to oppose Nord Stream, but the step he took wasn’t all that significant, just sanctioning the main contractor that was building pipeline after it was already 95% done, but it gave Trump a talking point.

    Trump was right to provide military aid but, at the same time, he hamstrung Ukraine by delaying the delivery of Javelins with his quid pro quo, and then mandated that those weapons stay in western Ukraine, hundreds of miles from this fight. Again, Trump got his talking point, but his act was essentially meaningless

    He also needlessly and wrongly said NATO was “obsolete”, which is ridiculous given that Putin was partially and illegally occupying two of his neighbors. To this day, he’s still downtalking NATO, despite their adding two members because of Putin, and encouraging Putin to invade NATO members who “aren’t paying” is beneath contempt.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  133. A complete blowout in South Carolina.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa) — 2/24/2024 @ 5:37 pm

    It was a rigged and stolen election. Haley won in a landslide.

    nk (317703)

  134. Rip, Haley beat expectations, so her trendlines are favorable. It’s well enough to continue her campaign.
    Trump is basically an incumbent, but he only got 60%.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  135. 40% of SC Republicans see a former President with most of elected officials of the state supporting him….and say, nah, we prefer someone normal.

    This is a primary waging normal against abnormal. Abnormal is sadly winning. People keep deluding themselves that abnormal can be checked. Abnormal didn’t crash the markets or create a security crisis its first term, so abnormal won’t do it this time. Abnormal challenges every institution and every barricade, but somehow nothing can shake their faith.

    People keep imagining that abnormal is just not any more abnormal or corrupt than the current Oval Office occupant. They oscillate between brain-dead-dullard and crime-family-kingpin without struggling with the dissonance. “They all do it” so there just is not any abnormal. Abnormal = Normal with the new GOP math.

    People rationalize that things will just be better under abnormal. Inflation will recede, illegals will be shipped, crime will lessen, and wars will cease. Flowers will bloom and global warming will cool….and coal will be shoveled proudly. This is the it-just-will-be religious devotion. There’s no proof or analysis required, the thesis statement is followed only by QED.

    People imagine Abnormal as just strong and defiant and unapologetic. They fantasize that obnoxious, prevaricating, cheating, undisciplined, and ignorant define leadership and success. They are invested in abnormal because they’ve been grifted. They’ll send that $20 check because they can’t stop the grift. Abnormal has compromised the GOP.

    I ride with normal. The smell is much better…

    AJ_Liberty (dec9f3)

  136. Rip, Haley beat expectations, so her trendlines are favorable. It’s well enough to continue her campaign. Trump is basically an incumbent, but he only got 60%.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 2/24/2024 @ 6:44 pm

    Haley’s own expectations was to do better in South Carolina (currently at 40% of the vote) than she did in New Hampshire (43%), which she may or may not match.

    It doesn’t matter if her trend lines are “favorable.” She didn’t win any delegates, which is the only trend line that counts. Right now she’s way behind in Michigan (Trump +62) which will be held on Tuesday.

    I don’t care if she continues campaigning or not, but it looks like a futile effort. She needs to win primaries to receive any substantial number of delegates to be nominated. If she doesn’t win any Super Tuesday primaries, I’ll bet her money dries up.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  137. Coming second in a two-person race is also called losing.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  138. State sen. tom woods when asked to comment on the killing of a 16 year old transgender at his high school said we don’t want that “filth” in our state. (DU)

    asset (f88970)

  139. Rip, Haley beat expectations…….

    What expectations?

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  140. I don’t believe Haley expects to win, Rip, I expect her to be a safety valve in case Trump craters, either mentally or politically or legally or some combination. And she has the added bonus of being able to beat Biden.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  141. 75% of Haley voters said they would not vote for trump. 60%+10% is 70% of republicans say they will vote for trump no the 90% of republicans trump needs to win.

    asset (f88970)

  142. @111 Democrats and the media will make it a big issue wither you think it is or not. Again own goal.

    asset (f88970)

  143. @116 I will take that as a yes.

    asset (f88970)

  144. I don’t believe Haley expects to win, Rip, I expect her to be a safety valve in case Trump craters, either mentally or politically or legally or some combination. And she has the added bonus of being able to beat Biden.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 2/24/2024 @ 7:33 pm

    Haley is an ideological outsider in the current Republican Party. I really doubt a convention full of Trump-pledged delegates and controlled by Trump-appointed officials would turn around and select Haley as their nominee. They would be free to choose anyone else as their candidate-more likely someone from the Trump family or a MAGA governor or member of Congress.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  145. Winning the nomination should be the only thing on Haley’s mind-not wishcasting a Trump implosion. Republicans have been waiting for that since his second impeachment.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  146. Haley is doing more right now to defeat Trump in November than Christie and Hutchinson are. Their Kamikaze campaigns are all but forgotten.

    Trump needs to be weak in November. 30% here 40% there….all erodes his electability. Every primary she shows up to means he has to show up too…and open his mouth…and the stupid naturally flows out.

    Juxtapose normal with abnormal. Remind people they have a choice. The J6 case is coming. It’s better than 50/50 that the Court denies cert on the immunity case. Delayed but inevitable. The Justices understand that democracy needs a verdict on whether Trump broke the law on J6. There will be a tsunami….and it’s unclear what remains after it hits. I often wonder if the Democrats wished they had a just-in-case option. Biden doesn’t exactly exude vitality. One small stroke and…..

    AJ_Liberty (169888)

  147. A complete blowout in South Carolina.

    60-40 is not a blowout. Stop cheerleading for Trump. You say you don’t, but I watch your feet.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  148. https://www.newsweek.com/greg-abbott-won-over-gen-z-millennials-1871679

    All those who claim we must give in to the left yet again, it seems the youngest voter base disagrees with you.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  149. Haley is an ideological outsider in the current Republican Party.

    No, she’s not, Rip. Except for Trump’s stand on NATO and Putin and Ukraine, which is not mainstream and absurd, her policies are in the same vicinity as Trump’s, unless or until Trump makes a seat-of-the-pants change or flip-flop.

    If she’s an outsider, she’s a spiritual outsider from Trump’s cult, which is not a bad thing. It’s a great thing.

    People have to think beyond what happens when Trump has his ultimate demise, because personality cults only last as that personality is in command.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  150. AJ writes:

    “Every primary she shows up to means he has to show up too…and open his mouth…and the stupid naturally flows out.”

    This is what I worry about. Trump not debating in the primaries allowed this to happen. The more Trump talks, the more voters are forced to deal with his nonsense. Without this, it is possible for attendants and talking heads to restate or sanitize.

    Ditto, to the extreme, with Biden.

    What I fear is a Trump-Biden rematch, with no debates.

    Simon Jester (56fdcf)

  151. “Trump not debating in the primaries allowed this to happen. The more Trump talks, the more voters are forced to deal with his nonsense.”

    Trump’s legal team understands that he can’t face hard questions at an adversarial debate because there’s more downside than upside. He will either prematurely expose his defense or he will just give the prosecutors more ammunition to present against him. The other reality is that Trump doesn’t really debate. He performs. He lies, exaggerates, and hurls invective. It’s not like he lays out intricate and shrewd thinking on foreign policy, immigration, spending, or trade. He pushes buttons and excites hatred, fear, and the worst sort of partisanship. His rabid supporters eat it up and howl with glee. There’s no room for shame, and facts just get in the way of the theater.

    When people claim that Trump’s rhetoric and gutter politics (like implying that Haley’s husband was somehow MIA from the campaign trail when in reality he’s serving the country at the Horn of Africa), my eyes rollback into my head. We are setting new thresholds for what is acceptable and we also see the style repeated by wannabees, media personalities trying to stand out, and in internet chats across the spectrum. Go to the National Review comments and prove me wrong. Where there is dialogue, it’s more often ignorant and unhinged….like our “leader”.

    Biden is awful in his own right. He’s angry grandpa who’s perpetually trying to remember his lines and avoid foot-in-mouth. He fails any test of being a unifier and it took until this last minute immigration bill to truly see a moderate and a “great” compromiser. But when your poll numbers are sub Jimmy Carter and there’s universal dissatisfaction with the immigration chaos, the tack towards the middle is unsurprising. Watching Biden debate will be butt-clench city and in a way, elder abuse. Both sides continue to commit political malpractice. The Right may be worse but the Left is irresponsibly playing with fire. Debates should inspire and demonstrate admirable qualities of intellect, self-deprecating humor, thoughtfulness, and resolve. What we seem to be looking forward to in 2024 is awful…and neither side wants to get off the train tracks….

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  152. What I fear is a Trump-Biden rematch, with no debates.

    Debates won’t change who they are, or what the two parties have become. On the one side we have a nativist, radical populist white-identity party whose deepest desire is a national divorce. On the other side we have a socialist, radical elitist anti-white identity party whose deepest desire is central planning and control of all facets of life.

    The vast majority wants neither of these, but the process has been hijacked by the extremes in both parties. The Democrats have a slight edge as their front man has some moderate views, but his party works around him — or forces his hand — and he’s nearly dead anyway.

    The two-party system has failed. It is time for an independent challenger to bring them back to Jesus.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  153. “It is time for an independent challenger to bring them back to Jesus.”

    The system is stacked against an independent. Which states other than maybe New Hampshire are prime to be won? Would Alabama ever not vote for the Republican and will California ever not vote for the Democrat? From the perspective of sanity, I wholeheartedly agree. Put normal in there, but is our media geared to advocate for normal? Will any but a handful of current politicians go against their respective machine and endorse normal? Is there a normal independent with broad appeal and national reputation that radically changes this calculus? I don’t see a Perot-like personality that can catch fire and find the oxygen to put enough states in play to get to 270. At best a spoiler; at worst the wrong spoiler.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  154. I don’t see a Perot-like personality that can catch fire and find the oxygen to put enough states in play to get to 270. At best a spoiler; at worst the wrong spoiler.

    Perot lost badly, but he shook up the system. The ’94 midterms and the subsequent balanced budget were products of what Perot did, despite all his flaws.

    Haley, with a move towards the middle, has the presence to make sanity and age an issue. She would be helped by the fact that no independent and only have of the party members are strongly for Trump or Biden. She would have plenty of money — something few independents have ever had — and a strong base going in. There is an incredible desire among voters for an end to this crazy divisive Crossfire world.

    Yes, both parties would come for her, but running Biden and Trump their fulcrum would be weak. And the news media LOVES an underdog as much as it loves a loudmouth.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  155. * have half

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  156. put enough states in play to get to 270

    That is a goal, of course, but not the only goal. Dragging both parties back from the cliff and reminding them that most of the voters aren’t wingnuts is almost as important than winning.

    If the election is purely Trump vs Biden, the system remains broken no matter who wins and the losing party has no incentive to change. Indeed, the GOP has doubled down on their loss and I see no reason to think that losing again will change anything. I’d expect more stolen election claims and deeper denial. Trump winning might be worse than Biden winning, but a Democrat loss would just embolden the hard Left, who would argue that they lost because they were too moderate (as they always do).

    They need their nose rubbed in the pee. Maybe more than once.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  157. A complete blowout in South Carolina.

    60-40 is not a blowout. Stop cheerleading for Trump. You say you don’t, but I watch your feet.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/24/2024 @ 10:09 pm

    I’m sure most politicians would consider winning by 20 points a blowout. It’s not cheerleading to acknowledge that the pre-primary polls have been consistently accurate.

    Yes, the results show a significant number of Republican and Democrat crossover voters are voting against Trump, but the are still a minority. To deny this is to deny reality.

    My feet are propped up on my sofa.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  158. @157, I’m not convinced that the problem is extreme policy positions versus candidates with debilitating baggage (age and temperament). Republicans want the hammer thrown on immigration and Chinese trade. Everyone wants more attention being given to inflation…and their brand of election integrity. Democrats want more economic safety nets. I don’t think most Democrats are upset with Biden because he’s not moderate enough. The issue is Biden is too old and Trump is too unhinged. Neither side wants to admit it. I think moderates would give someone like Haley a look, but it’s not obvious to me that Haley is ready to buck her party….Ryan either. They’re both young enough to think they can outlive Trump and Trumpism. I suspect both will prefer to wait him out versus burning the bridges. Though it might be good for the electorate, the blowback of re-electing Biden or facilitating Trump is not something they want for the resume.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  159. I often wonder if the Democrats wished they had a just-in-case option. Biden doesn’t exactly exude vitality. One small stroke and…..

    AJ_Liberty (169888) — 2/24/2024 @ 8:50 pm

    They do-Gavin Newsom.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  160. I suspect both will prefer to wait him out versus burning the bridges.

    The last big-time politician to run 3rd party was Teddy Roosevelt, and he did not end up burning bridges in 1912 (and he beat the Republican). He would have been the nominee in 1916, but he declined to run, and he would have been the nominee in 1920, but he died in 1919.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  161. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 2/25/2024 @ 6:41 am

    It’s still highly unlikely that a Trump-dominated convention would turn their eyes toward Haley to be their nominee.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  162. Wallace also did not burn bridges by running third party in 1968, but for a different reason: his bridges were already burned by being against the platform of the national party.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  163. My feet are propped up on my sofa.

    Grinning from ear to ear, no doubt. Most of us are looking for boltholes. Enjoy your victory, Trumpist.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  164. Grinning from ear to ear, no doubt. Most of us are looking for boltholes. Enjoy your victory, Trumpist.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 10:34 am

    Presidential candidate fantasy camp. Trump-Biden was inevitable.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  165. Most of us are looking for boltholes.

    I would agree if they were practical and had evidence they would succeed. I just don’t see how they would work.

    What if……. What if……. What if…….

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  166. If Rip was a football coach, down 14 points in the 4th quarter, he’d just give up.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  167. f Rip was a football coach, down 14 points in the 4th quarter, he’d just give up.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 10:52 am

    If my team (like Haley’s) couldn’t make into the end zone and only kick one field goal for every two touchdowns made by my opponent, you might be right. By the fourth quarter I’d be down by far more than 14 points.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  168. “They do-Gavin Newsom.”

    You told me it was too late…which is it?

    Football requires actual skill. Winning political primaries in a cult-like environment is something else. SC voters believe that God wants Trump to be President. That’s a tough assertion to disprove. Sometimes good candidates lose. It’s not always about the resume, intellect, and demeanor. Not all voters are rational or accept evidence-based arguments. We’re stuck with a cult of personality that believe Trump is the best bet. Right-wing media failed the GOP. The GOP has failed the country.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  169. Right-wing media failed the GOP. The GOP has failed the country.

    The other camp is in no better shape. If Biden is the best they can do, they are also bankrupt — they don’t even have a cult to blame.

    The two party system is now driven by the extremes. Bimodal distribution with a hard null at the center.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  170. Rigged delegate math

    ………..
    ………… Even in a best-case scenario that stretches the limits of Haley’s appeal so far, based on current polling and each state’s delegate-allocation rules, Trump would end Super Tuesday on March 5 with 894 delegates. Haley would have just 207.

    And that’s being generous to Haley.

    Even though only about 6 percent of all available delegates have been awarded so far, primaries in the month of March alone account for 65 percent of the delegates. ……………

    Of the first three contests in which she’s competed, Haley won about 38 percent of the votes — and 16 percent of the delegates.

    ……….(S)tarting March 19, most states go to a true winner-take-all system, so as long as Trump wins a plurality, he’d sweep all the delegates.

    Trump’s allies engineered some of those rules………They pushed for the rule that triggers the state to flip to a winner-take-all system if a candidate receives a majority of the vote. ……….

    ………….. Trump will still almost certainly capture all of the delegates from the Super Tuesday states of Alabama (50), Arkansas (40), California (169), Maine (20), Massachusetts (40), Oklahoma (43) and Vermont (17) — all of which become winner-takes-all once a candidate hits a majority. He’ll also win all of the Tennessee (58) delegates if he captures two-thirds of the vote there, which is likely.

    Texas (161) has the same majority threshold for its statewide delegates, though it also awards delegates for each of its 38 congressional district………..

    Alaska (29), Colorado (37), Minnesota (39) and North Carolina (74) are proportional, and using a rough, 60-40 Trump-Haley breakdown to divide those delegates — again, probably generous to Haley overall………. they will deliver Haley dozens of delegates even if she loses by more than that.
    …………
    There are 170 delegates at stake during a three-day stretch in mid-March, and then another 350 up for grabs on March 19 — by which time Trump will have, in all likelihood, clinched the nomination.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  171. “They do-Gavin Newsom.”

    You told me it was too late…which is it?

    I was responding to your “one small stroke…..” comment. Obviously the Democrats would replace Biden with someone. As previously noted, it is unlikely the Democrats could (or would) involuntarily force Biden out over his age or electability, but of course he could be replaced if he was demonstrably made infirm from a stroke or other health event.

    The party’s charter does contain provisions to replace the nominee in the event of a vacancy. The measure is intended to be used in case of death, resignation or incapacitation, not to replace someone who has no desire to step down.
    ………..
    To fill a vacancy on the national ticket, the DNC chair can call a “special meeting” of the full Democratic National Committee, which includes about 500 members. On paper, at least, all it takes is a majority vote of those present to pick a new presidential and vice presidential nominee……….

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  172. https://twitter.com/RepMikeCollins/status/1761183160686047556?

    The blood of Laken Riley is on the hands of Joe Biden, Alejandro Mayorkas, and the government of Athens-Clarke County.

    The Venezuelan suspect in Laken Riley’s murder is one of millions of illegal aliens that the Biden administration has released into this country to be welcomed…

    Undeniably true. But Americans are not Biden’s or our current government’s concern.

    NJRob (92a0c3)

  173. Huge protests in Brazil today.

    Incredible images coming out of Brazil from today’s protest against their corrupt socialist President…

    For geographic reference, here’s a helpful map.

    Meantime, the conservative Argentine president is getting favorable feedback.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  174. If Rip was a football coach, down 14 points in the 4th quarter, he’d just give up.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 10:52 am

    He’s trolling.

    Trump didn’t get as many votes as Hillary, a widely detested, low qualification candidate, and that was at his surprise peak.

    And Trump has never received the most votes in an election. And now he’s at his weakest, with a member of his own administration, Haley, who is a terrible candidate with no core values, has a huge chunk of the GOP despite Trump already being obviously the winner of the primary, and a former elected president.

    Trolls can spin away, but we’ve never seen a former elected president have such poor outcomes in a primary. And of course the only reason Trump can’t claim to be an incumbent is he was soundly defeated by a guy who barely campaigned, in a year Trump wrecked the economy and opened up many wars his fans pretend he has no responsibility for.

    The GOP decided it wanted to walk away from conservatives. Conservatism overlaps with the cult, so Desantis got nowhere, and that leaves the Romney-like Haley, who really isn’t worth the time of day. That such a pathetic candidate is actually challenging Trump says it all.

    The right thing to do here is for conservatives to change parties and start seeking out conservative democrats, or moderates. Common sense folks. Ann Richards, Howard Dean (look at his budgets, way better than most republican governors). If all that accomplishes is totally drowning out the fringe left, that’s actually quite an accomplishment.

    It is pointless to engage in the GOP. It’s like having a conversation with Rip or DCSCA.

    Dustin (6ea8c2)

  175. The right thing to do here is for conservatives to change parties and start seeking out conservative democrats, or moderates.

    I agree.

    And it’s not trolling to point out the reality that Trump has consistently been the leading Republican candidate for president among Republican voters for the past 6+ months. Not one of the Lilliputians came close to his numbers.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  176. Anyone supporting Haley now probably can’t point to a comment they posted here a year ago enthusiastically pushing her candidacy. Instead, all we heard from Nevertrump was that no Republican candidate deserved support, mixed in with a reflexive defense of Biden at every turn. Now that her cause is lost, Haley fans are popping up out of nowhere.

    lloyd (230595)

  177. Haley, who is a terrible candidate with no core values, has a huge chunk of the GOP………..

    Right now Haley is polling nationally (according to the 538 average) at 15.6% among Republican voters (Trump +61.1). More like a sliver than a chunk.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  178. This MKH thread obliterates AP’s shoddy reporting and dishonest narrative about the murder of Ms. Riley. The issue isn’t about solo female joggers, it’s about immigrant felons endangering Americans.

    The murderer, a Mr. Ibarra, committed multiple crimes before the murder, and his immigration status is questionable. He should’ve been deported after Crime #1 and, yes, this is on the Biden administration.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  179. Dustin (6ea8c2) — 2/25/2024 @ 12:23 pm

    You can have a conversation with me if you have facts or numbers to back up your argument.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  180. Haley, who is a terrible candidate with no core values……..

    We agree on that.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  181. Anyone supporting Haley now probably can’t point to a comment they posted here a year ago enthusiastically pushing her candidacy. Instead, all we heard from Nevertrump was that no Republican candidate deserved support, mixed in with a reflexive defense of Biden at every turn. Now that her cause is lost, Haley fans are popping up out of nowhere.

    lloyd (230595) — 2/25/2024 @ 12:40 pm

    It’s similar to Biden’s support when he soundly defeated Trump in 2020. Biden simply was the way to vote against Trump.

    Haley is the way to vote against Trump.

    We recognize the great threat Trump is to our way of life. It’s honestly a tough call for me, just because of my personal experiences and Biden’s administration, which is making decisions I strongly disagree with. But Trump represents a different category of threat to my values, and frankly Trump isn’t a reliable change to the issues Biden has with border security, spending, etc.

    So respect that Nevertrump really is never Trump, a completely legitimate and wise perspective. Never means never. Trump was not a viable candidate, and he probably wants to lose, so he can run in 2028 and make more money.

    Dustin (6ea8c2)

  182. Trolls can spin away, but we’ve never seen a former elected president have such poor outcomes in a primary.

    Trump’s (alleged) poor performance in the primaries is irrelevant. So what if he receives “only” 60% of the vote? He still ends up winning the vast majority (if not all) of the delegates at stake. And most of those that vote for Haley will end up voting for Trump in the general election.

    As I have said, most politicians would consider a 20 point win a landslide.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  183. Instead, all we heard from Nevertrump was that no Republican candidate deserved support, mixed in with a reflexive defense of Biden at every turn.

    Dishonest BS. I’m as NeverTrump as anyone, and I preferred every Republican primary candidate over Trump, except Ramaswamy after he started talking.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  184. And it’s not trolling to point out the reality that Trump has consistently been the leading Republican candidate for president among Republican voters for the past 6+ months. Not one of the Lilliputians came close to his numbers.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa) — 2/25/2024 @ 12:36 pm

    Source for this assertion.

    Rip Murdock (eaad4d)

  185. lloyd (230595) — 2/25/2024 @ 12:40 pm

    Kevin M has been pushing Haley for at least that long.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  186. So what if (Trump) receives “only” 60% of the vote? He still ends up winning the vast majority (if not all) of the delegates at stake.

    So far Haley has received roughly 38% of the votes but only 16%of the available delegates.

    Rip Murdock (eaad4d)

  187. The right thing to do here is for conservatives to change parties and start seeking out conservative democrats, or moderates.

    You say this is the same comment you attack Haley for not having core values? Please explain.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  188. Kevin M has been pushing Haley for at least that long.

    Even before she entered the race.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  189. Right now Haley is polling nationally (according to the 538 average) at 15.6% among Republican voters (Trump +61.1). More like a sliver than a chunk.

    Yet when they go to the polls in a state she campaigns, she gets 40%.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  190. And most of those that vote for Haley will end up voting for Trump in the general election.

    Clearly you are not listening. Trump will lose by 20%, which I’m told is “a blowout.” And he’ll point to the margin as conclusive evidence of fraud.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  191. You say this is the same comment you attack Haley for not having core values? Please explain.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 1:51 pm

    Partisanship is not a core value. Especially with the kinds of candidates the GOP has been nominating. As I pointed out in 2012, Romney represented a burning of bridges that even Mccain or W did not, and the party was probably going to be in for a difficult time. I didn’t anticipate it would be this bad, but a populist movement after the Tea Party was shut down by a romney ticket is not a surprise.

    Does the GOP want to balance the budget? We’re in a different galaxy now. The most productive thing to do is to have at least one reasonable political party. The democrats cannot be that while the fringe left are often behind the wheel, but the democrats weren’t that kind of party, recently. Getting that fixed is more realistic, useful, and productive.

    As for Haley lacking values… I mean come on.

    Dustin (6ea8c2)

  192. Right now Haley is polling nationally (according to the 538 average) at 15.6% among Republican voters (Trump +61.1). More like a sliver than a chunk.

    Yet when they go to the polls in a state she campaigns, she gets 40%.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 1:53 pm

    Only in states that allow crossover voting by Democrats. We’ll see how she does in closed Republican primaries.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  193. Clearly you are not listening. Trump will lose by 20%, which I’m told is “a blowout.” And he’ll point to the margin as conclusive evidence of fraud.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 1:55 pm

    LOL! I doubt Trump will lose the general election by that margin-at least there is no evidence now of that happening.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  194. Among voters 35% whose most important quality for candidate was “Fights for me” it went 90% to Trump 10% to Haley
    32% had “shares my values” as most important quality and that went to Trump 64% to Haley 35% (I am assuming that does not mean the voters share all of Trumps values, it is more like a Venn diagram. They feel like Trump’s overlap is larger than Haley’s)

    Wouldn’t hurt Haley to polish up her “I share your values and I’ll fight for you” pitch, but as much as I think she would be better for the US than either of the old guys, she has not connected at the gut level (fight for me) or on values level.
    Haley
    All of your values
    All of the fight
    None of the Bullshit

    She’s fallen into the Never Trump trap of fighting over the wrong portion of the values in the diagram. Tip: stick to the “shared values” part nothing else matters. No need to elucidate about Trump bullshit, most if not all of his supporters can fill in that blank for themselves, so let them.
    Haley also has not convinced voters she will fight for them anywhere near as vigorously as Trump by a margin of 90% to 10%. She needs to fix that and she should look into the “values” and realize those are what people are telling her what they need a fighter for.

    The voters currently do not seem to believe she will represent their constitutionally congruent values wholeheartedly. Don’t be another like Mitt, who wanted to pick nits with his own people.

    steveg (1374f8)

  195. Her master’s voice

    Americans For Prosperity Action, the powerful conservative group supporting Nikki Haley in the Republican presidential primary, will no longer spend money on behalf of her campaign.

    In an email to staff obtained by POLITICO, Americans For Prosperity CEO Emily Seidel said Sunday that the group’s political arm, AFP Action, had to “take stock” of its spending priorities after Haley’s loss in the South Carolina primary. The Koch-aligned group, Seidel said, will now focus its efforts on competitive Senate and House races.

    …………(W)e don’t believe any outside group can make a material difference to widen her path to victory.”
    ………….
    …………. Since (November 2023), AFP has reached out to more than 3 million voters in early nominating and Super Tuesday states, as well as purchased millions of dollars worth of ads on Haley’s behalf.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  196. Clearly you are not listening. Trump will lose by 20%, which I’m told is “a blowout.” And he’ll point to the margin as conclusive evidence of fraud.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 1:55 pm

    The winning margin in the general election will be <5%.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  197. How Justice Engoron’s numbers add up for Trump’s penalty in the N.Y. fraud trial
    …………..
    Here’s how the judge’s numbers added up:

    DONALD TRUMP: $354,868,768

    For the Old Post Office, Engoron said Trump’s profits from the 2021 sale amounted to $126,828,600 and that the Trump family would not have gotten the lease and operational rights to that hotel, which hosted dignitaries and fundraisers during Trump’s presidency, had it not provided false information to the Government Services Administration in the bidding process. By presenting the federal agency with a steeply inflated picture of Trump’s finances, he unfairly obtained the lucrative contract ahead of other candidates, according to the New York attorney general.

    Trump also owes $168,040,168 to cover savings he obtained in reduced interest rates by committing fraud, and he owes another $60 million in profits for the sale of the lease and management rights to the Ferry Point golf course in New York City, another contract that Engoron found the Trump Organization obtained through deception. Trump and the other defendants have been found liable of deliberately using inconsistent and misleading tactics — like tripling the size of Trump’s Fifth Avenue penthouse apartment to report an increased value — to magnify the overall financial worth to outside parties who relied on it to assess the terms of loans and other business deals.

    ERIC TRUMP AND DONALD TRUMP JR.: $8,026,048
    …………..
    ALLEN WEISSELBERG: $1,000,000
    ……………
    Trump owes about $100 million in prejudgment interest. As Trump and a team of attorneys and advisers scramble to sort out his options, his bill gets bigger. The attorney general’s office said Friday that Trump is accruing nearly $112,000 in post-judgment interest per day, up from an $87,500 daily prejudgment rate……….
    …………….

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  198. The voters currently do not seem to believe she will represent their constitutionally congruent values wholeheartedly. Don’t be another like Mitt, who wanted to pick nits with his own people.

    steveg (1374f8) — 2/25/2024 @ 3:24 pm

    This is why Haley supporters who kept rolling their eyes at Desantis do not deserve any patience. They let Trump win, and therefore let the democrats have the presidency and further rendered the GOP worthless to folks like me. They were offered a realistic coalition, but with a social conservative who actually stands for something. They rejected that, and now here we are. Oh well, it was over the day Romney was nominated.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  199. Dustin: “Desantis got nowhere, and that leaves the Romney-like Haley, who really isn’t worth the time of day. That such a pathetic candidate is actually challenging Trump says it all.”

    I just don’t get the hate on Haley. Is she really worse than W, Dole, McCain, Romney, or Trump? OK, no one is worse than Trump.

    But seriously when I hear someone say that “she doesn’t stand for anything”, I sit puzzled. Will she be much tougher than Biden on the Boder? Check. Will she support Ukraine and NATO? Check. Will she aggressively oppose Chinese trade dumping and currency manipulation? Check. Will she take deficits and debt more seriously than we have for the last two decades? Check. Will she attempt to improve the tone of debate in DC and facilitate compromise? Check. Will she soften the GOP’s stance on abortion while maintaining a pro-life disposition? Check. Maybe I’m just missing what policy she so concerns people over. What do you think is politically possible that she is so wobbly on?

    I could have also easily voted for any other governor that was in the primary. I still think Hutchinson had the best resume and was the most serious. But at this point in time, the GOP house is on fire. It’s not really time to grouse about the crabgrass and what Haley has to say about the Civil War or Slavery. Those are neither dinner table issues nor foreign policy exigencies. If she is saying goofy things about Russia or trade, sure, roast her, but what I keep hearing is the theater of the small. People seem to be writing scripts in their heads about what she believes…or doesn’t believe.

    I’ll confess that I liked her from the get go. She is certainly the most politically savvy of the GOP primary bunch. She is also probably the most likable. She understands how to work a room. DeSantis always looked awkward. Christie talked the game right but he always seemed angry that no one wanted to jump off the cliff with him. His strategy failed. And let’s be honest, it never had a chance.

    The GOP is broken. She stands for normal. Most Republicans are not yet ready for normal. They are emotionally invested in Trump and Trumpism. Right wing media is invested. Evangelicals have gone out on the limb for him. We need an intervention and an exorcism. There’s no magic speech that will cause 60% of voters to abandon their orange calf. Slowly people come out of the trance. Let’s see what people do when Trump is convicted. That is the 800lb gorilla that no poll captures adequately. There’s no way people have completely processed that yet….or have heard gavel to gavel evidence of crimes. A tsunami is coming. Grab your life jacket….

    AJ_Liberty (831c38)

  200. Yet when they go to the polls in a state she campaigns, she gets 40%.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 1:53 pm

    So what? She is still coming in second in a two-person race, and receiving a fraction of the delegates had she won.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  201. Is she really worse than W, Dole, McCain, Romney, or Trump

    She was in the Trump administration and refused to run against him in this primary, spending more on Desantis ads and basically giving Trump a pass.

    I don’t need to distinguish Trump’s enablers from Trump.

    She is not comparable to W, a legitimate leader, or Mccain, who at least was brave enough to take a stand.

    I just don’t get the hate on Haley

    Surprise, I guess! She is terrible.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  202. This is why Haley supporters who kept rolling their eyes at Desantis do not deserve any patience. They let Trump win, and therefore let the democrats have the presidency and further rendered the GOP worthless to folks like me. They were offered a realistic coalition, but with a social conservative who actually stands for something. They rejected that, and now here we are. Oh well, it was over the day Romney was nominated.

    Dustin (6978cf) — 2/25/2024 @ 3:53 pm

    Agree 100% except I believe that Biden and the left have done so much harm that Trump has a chance of getting reelected.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  203. Just like in 2016 when Cruz could’ve won the election but the establishment hated having a social conservative at the top of the card that they kept Kasich in to give Trump the nomination thinking he’d be beaten by Hillary. They did the same to DeSantis.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  204. Rip Murdock (5ab8fa) — 2/25/2024 @ 3:48 pm

    Tick tock

    ………….
    According to state Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron’s final judgment, entered Friday, Trump now owes New York at least $454 million — the $355 million penalty plus interest, which is now accruing at a rate of $112,000 per day. Separately, he faces an $83.3 million judgment in a federal defamation case brought by the writer E. Jean Carroll.
    ……………
    …………… To keep both judgments from being enforced while he appeals, he must put up the entire amount in either cash or bonds, according to legal experts. Usually, defendants must put up such bonds within 30 days of a final judgment to keep the plaintiff from collecting, experts said.
    …………..
    The bond in the Carroll case is due in about two weeks, if Trump decides to post one to avoid paying the judgment during his appeal. On Friday, Trump lawyer Alina Habba sought to delay putting up that money, arguing that the penalty was excessive and likely to be reduced. In an order Sunday, the federal judge overseeing that case declined to immediately grant such a delay, saying Carroll’s attorneys should have a chance to weigh in.

    Engoron has already rejected a different attempt by Trump’s lawyers to delay posting the larger bond in the New York civil fraud case. It’s currently due March 25, the same day his criminal trial for falsifying business records is scheduled to begin in Manhattan.
    ……………
    The former president’s attorneys are trying to negotiate a bond deal that would tie up as few of his assets as possible, according to a person with knowledge of the talks who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share private business discussions. The New York state judgment is so large that Trump’s team began exploring whether multiple companies could provide portions of the bond, splitting the risk that any one of them would have to assume, the person said.
    ……………
    Neil Pedersen, who runs a New York bond-issuing (or “surety”) agency, said beyond the extraordinary size of the bond Trump needs, the risk of having to collect from a former and possibly future president would probably weigh heavily on bond issuers’ decision on whether to accommodate him.
    …………..
    “In my opinion, what this is going to come down to is whether or not he can put up cash,” Pedersen said.
    …………..
    A surety company might accept Trump’s properties as collateral, but that carries its own risks. ……….
    …………..
    “If the guy can give phony financial statements, he can give phony information to the bonding company,” Zauderer said, referring to Engoron’s finding in the case that the Trump Organization submitted false information to banks to obtain loans. “A bonding company who is going to put up several hundred million dollars here is not, in my opinion, going to do it easily.”

    Trump also may need to maintain a certain amount of cash and a certain net worth to remain in compliance with his existing bank loans, which totaled at least $400 million in August, according to The Post’s analysis of the financial disclosure he filed that month.

    “I think the real problem is what the interlocking sets of obligations are on these assets,” said (New York Law School adjunct professor Steven M. Cohen, who previously held a top position in the New York attorney general’s office).
    …………..
    ………….. Trump may also be expecting a financial windfall from his social media company, Truth Social. Digital World Acquisition, a special-purpose acquisition company, recently won a critical approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission to merge with Trump’s media start-up, which could give Trump a stake of publicly tradable shares worth nearly $4 billion, based on recent stock values.
    ………….

    There is a GoFundMe drive for Trump that has raised more than $1.2M.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  205. Just like in 2016 when Cruz could’ve won the election but the establishment hated having a social conservative at the top

    True, though Cruz really did a lot to lose my admiration since then. True. They tried to choose Hillary over Cruz, by way of Trump, and underestimated the populist anger and desperation.

    Biden and the left have done so much harm that Trump has a chance

    I definitely understand that, if the election were held today. But those guys are sophisticated and realize Trump is more viable than he seems, almost like a biblical consequence of our times. They will muddy him up with his own mistakes, and the consequences will make it pretty hard for Trump, who sure seems weaker than ever given his performance against Haley.

    I also doubt Biden is the candidate.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  206. Rural voters crushed Haley. Over 80% resonated with Trump on values and fight. Haley can’t beat Biden without them. She’ll do fine with establishment, independents and suburban moms but in a general election she would need rural voters.

    She also needs the RNC to pull a bunny out of the hat, which they will not be doing short of Trump going on a rampage, livestreaming himself shooting Alvin Bragg, Leticia James, Jack Smith, Fani Willis, and Judge Engoron.
    I’m kidding, but the exit polls show that 61% said Trump would be fit to be President even if convicted of a crime. My take on that means “of any of the crimes he has been accused of” which reflects the distrust people have in the judicial process.
    For example I wouldn’t argue with anyone who felt that the $83M award after 3 hours of deliberation in the NY E. Jean Carroll civil case was so high due in part to the people of NY having bias against Trump. She’d be lucky to get $5M in Jacksonville, FLA.
    Trump wouldn’t get fined $350M in Lubbock. Chicago, LA, NYC SF, Seattle, Portland- yes- absolutely. Personal political animus = disproportion; and it is celebrated by the elites

    steveg (1374f8)

  207. When DeSantis announced his presidential campaign on May 25, 2023 he was already 31 points behind Trump in national polls, and never led Trump in any state polls (not even Florida).

    Besides being aloof and stiff on the campaign trail, his Florida policies were unpopular with voters. The nail in his coffin were Trump’s eviscerating attacks.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  208. Personal political animus = disproportion; and it is celebrated by the elites

    I get your point, but Trump also did all he could to antagonize the process. A penalty needs to be sufficient to ensure respect for the law. For Trump that means a very high penalty.

    She also needs the RNC to pull a bunny out of the hat

    It’s possible. Trump may not make it to the convention. And Haley may wind up on his ticket. She’s very careful in her weak campaign against him, especially compared to her campaign against the more viable Desantis, who ran an awesome campaign and outperformed polls (showing a good organization), despite what the trolls will repeat over and over, somewhat desperately given he already dropped out.

    The GOP doesn’t want or deserve the support of folks like me. They can do whatever they want.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  209. I am noting a common thread among people who work professionally with a lot of Democrats finding new and creative ways to say “I am not like Trump; I am not a Republican” and then saying they are going to find conservatives in the Democrat Party. Where would you look? There aren’t any.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  210. Partisanship is not a core value. Especially with the kinds of candidates the GOP has been nominating. As I pointed out in 2012, Romney represented a burning of bridges that even Mccain or W did not, and the party was probably going to be in for a difficult time. I didn’t anticipate it would be this bad, but a populist movement after the Tea Party was shut down by a romney ticket is not a surprise.

    Criminey but you need new glasses.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  211. As for Haley lacking values… I mean come on.

    Dustin, really, open your eyes and ears. She is the most principled person left in the GOP. Sure, she didn’t go full-Liz, but those that did are no longer part of the GOP. Becoming ineffective is not a way to change things.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  212. More of the self-indulgent “my principles or the highway” litmus test posing.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  213. I am noting a common thread among people who work professionally with a lot of Democrats finding new and creative ways to say “I am not like Trump; I am not a Republican” and then saying they are going to find conservatives in the Democrat Party. Where would you look? There aren’t any.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 4:47 pm

    What’s the opposite of a tautology?

    The GOP, by supporting Haley over Desantis, has insisted I leave. OK I left. Now I’m a conservative democrat. Where do I look for one? In the mirror?

    It really wasn’t that long ago, the 1990s, that democrats dominated conservative power in Texas. Reagan kinda eroded that, and 9/11 cemented the GOP of the time, but we see how fragile the idea was. There’s a reason republicans are a very very poor fit for limited government.

    She is the most principled person left in the GOP.

    Desantis isn’t more principled? He’s fighting the fight successfully today. She refused to put up a fight against Trump, only wanting to win the nevertrumper primary, not actually take Trump on. Haley is all over the map on most issues and barely can talk about obvious South Carolina gotchas because she’s so damn fake.

    Suffice to say I simply will not support her.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  214. And I just want to be clear, I don’t even really like Desantis. He’s a good governor, but I don’t actually need to have this personality love for a politician.

    that’s why when trolls laugh at how he’s just a serious, dull guy, I recognize they are not serious people. They aren’t voting for serious things.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  215. For example I wouldn’t argue with anyone who felt that the $83M award after 3 hours of deliberation in the NY E. Jean Carroll civil case was so high due in part to the people of NY having bias against Trump. She’d be lucky to get $5M in Jacksonville, FLA.

    Trump wouldn’t get fined $350M in Lubbock. Chicago, LA, NYC SF, Seattle, Portland- yes- absolutely. Personal political animus = disproportion; and it is celebrated by the elites

    steveg (1374f8) — 2/25/2024 @ 4:38 pm

    That may be, but he still needs to put up the bonds in order to appeal.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  216. Also, Kevin, an interesting point: locally in Austin a friend of mine is pretty competitive in a local election. He’s a democrat, has been for a long time, but he’s not a kook like many Austin politicians, and he’s challenging a very radical guy. MANY MANY of his supporters were republicans in years past who realize this election means more to their lives, and they can actually do something effective.

    that’s actually the argument his opponent is using: that Republicans are crossing over to vote for a democrat. The radical lefties are horrified because this is the natural outcome of the GOP losing so many elections. When the moderates shift to the democrat party, they will overwhelm the fringe.

    In 2008, Obama argued that marriage was only between a man and a woman. In the 1990s, Ann Richards used “Build Build Build” as a platform (to increase prison space as a way to make Texas safer). It hasn’t been that long.

    Or I could hold my nose like I did for Romney.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  217. Desantis, who ran an awesome campaign and outperformed polls

    Where?

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  218. “She was in the Trump administration and refused to run against him in this primary, spending more on Desantis ads and basically giving Trump a pass.”

    She has hit Trump harder than DeSantis ever did. Heck, DeSantis endorsed Trump after gladly slinking into the gutter after Haley in the final debate. Some backbone. DeSantis could have gone full-Christie too but they both knew that was a single-digit winning strategy.

    The reality is that DeSantis mismanaged his campaign…blew through $150M….and had internet meme after meme of his weird personal interactions and serial-killer-like attempts to smile during debates. He flopped because he came across as creepy in a party that admires the entertainment and showmanship of Trump. Why choose the imitation when you can get the real deal?

    Do we really believe the job of the President of the United States is to bring culture warring to the federal level? Amplify our differences and make getting anything done even less possible? The GOP base wants a Talk Radio President who will give them 3hrs an afternoon of liberal-bashing schtick. George Washington would be aghast. The job is to be the adult in the room. DeSantis used to be a Tea Party conservative in Congress…wanting to cut spending and reform entitlements. Now he’s a populist and supposedly stands for something. Give me a break….

    AJ_Liberty (831c38)

  219. She has hit Trump harder than DeSantis ever did.

    No man, that’s just absurd.

    DeSantis endorsed Trump after gladly slinking into the gutter after Haley in the final debate.

    Desantis said that he would honor his pledge, and Trump’s better than Biden. There couldn’t be a weaker, more obliged statement that he is a partisan and therefore he will support the Republican like he promised.

    Haley refused to spend a nickel on ads criticizing Trump, while Desantis hit him hard.

    had internet meme after meme of his weird personal interactions and serial-killer-like attempts to smile

    Yeah I realize that Trump hits people like that, and the Romney supporter types have decided this is the way they want to be.

    Like I said, you guys have made it clear that folks like me have no place in your party.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  220. Do we really believe the job of the President of the United States is to bring culture warring to the federal level?

    At least you’re honest. You prefer Trump or Biden to a conservative. Trump is able to fake it well enough to evangelicals that we all know your position ensures Trump is the nominee. No one ever thought or currently thinks that the socially liberal guys who like Romneycare can defeat the Tea party Trump supporters. Desantis could have, had you guys wanted that, but as you said, you think Desantis’s political views are actually wrong.

    I strongly believe he’s right.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  221. (Haley) has hit Trump harder than DeSantis ever did. Heck, DeSantis endorsed Trump……..

    Way too little too late. She still promises to pardon Trump, which is an act of forgiveness. She should have said she would commute any punishment, which would leave Trump’s conviction intact but spare him prison.

    In the end,I expect Haley to endorse Trump also, since she already promised to support the Republican nominee.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  222. Also, what’s really sad here is that I believed a lot of you guys really thought Trump was a special threat to democracy for trying to steal an election. You saw the opportunity to beat him, but Desantis is a social conservative, and here we are, with Trump obviously going to trigger another crisis, further corroding our nation’s democracy.

    I have no patience for folks who pretended they took this seriously.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  223. As I pointed out (incessantly), none of the Lilliputians had a chance against Trump. All polled dozens of points behind him.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  224. The murderer of Laken Riley had been arrested in NYC for child endangerment. He was let go and an ICE detainer was ignored. But he didn’t pay hush money to a hooker, so it’s all good. Good job all around.

    lloyd (5852e0)

  225. @203

    This is why Haley supporters who kept rolling their eyes at Desantis do not deserve any patience. They let Trump win, and therefore let the democrats have the presidency and further rendered the GOP worthless to folks like me. They were offered a realistic coalition, but with a social conservative who actually stands for something. They rejected that, and now here we are. Oh well, it was over the day Romney was nominated.

    Dustin (6978cf) — 2/25/2024 @ 3:53 pm

    Agree 100% except I believe that Biden and the left have done so much harm that Trump has a chance of getting reelected.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/25/2024 @ 4:19 pm

    This is where I’m at.

    I view this Biden administration and the current batch of Democrat politicians so much worse than any GOP candidate including Trump.

    To date, if the border situation hasn’t resonated to voters… this murder of this poor GA, Athen college student will crystalize this.

    whembly (20f8e3)

  226. To date, if the border situation hasn’t resonated to voters… this murder of this poor GA, Athen college student will crystalize this.

    whembly (20f8e3) — 2/25/2024 @ 6:13 pm

    I wonder if most voters ever even hear about these (plural) murders from illegals.

    I understand the notion that the border issue alone is so egregious, with such permanent consequences, you prefer trump. If Trump hadn’t tried to steal the election, I would probably really struggle with the comparison, but he’s a non-starter for me.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  227. Also, what’s really sad here is that I believed a lot of you guys really thought Trump was a special threat to democracy for trying to steal an election. You saw the opportunity to beat him, but Desantis is a social conservative, and here we are, with Trump obviously going to trigger another crisis, further corroding our nation’s democracy.

    I have no patience for folks who pretended they took this seriously.

    Dustin (6978cf) — 2/25/2024 @ 5:42 pm

    You are correct. The truth is they aren’t conservative. At best, most are libertarian from the generic sense which is economically conservative and socially liberal. It’s unsustainable of course because socially leftist policies break society and cause the need for leftist economic policies … see single parent families and welfare.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  228. @220

    Like I said, you guys have made it clear that folks like me have no place in your party.

    Dustin (6978cf) — 2/25/2024 @ 5:37 pm

    Bruh…

    As you’ll recall, I was a DeSantis honk, so much so, my family has considered moving to Florida (among other reasons) due to his policies.

    You absolutely have a place in the GOP party.

    Please don’t let other GOP-ers try to shame you into supporting their preferred candidate. You don’t owe them your vote nor should you feel like you cannot engage the political process.

    For me… if Trump somehow drops out, and it’s Haley vs. “pick your Democrat”… I would crawl over broken glass just to vote for Haley.

    I simply do not trust the Democrat party and I don’t think I ever will. So, I choose to stay within the GOP party and try my best to contribute, no matter how meager, to help guild this party in a direction that I can support.

    whembly (20f8e3)

  229. @227

    To date, if the border situation hasn’t resonated to voters… this murder of this poor GA, Athen college student will crystalize this.

    whembly (20f8e3) — 2/25/2024 @ 6:13 pm

    I wonder if most voters ever even hear about these (plural) murders from illegals.

    I understand the notion that the border issue alone is so egregious, with such permanent consequences, you prefer trump. If Trump hadn’t tried to steal the election, I would probably really struggle with the comparison, but he’s a non-starter for me.

    Dustin (6978cf) — 2/25/2024 @ 6:17 pm

    I never got hung up on Trump “tried to steal the election”.

    I simply saw a sore loser and had the assurances that our constitutional order will prevail against such feeble attempt. As such, we got past that, and Congress even passed additional laws to buttress against another attempt like that.

    However, these current Democrat policies has literally cost lives. There is simply no comparison, imho, between Trump crybaby sore loser-ism, to the damage and life by this current administration’s policies.

    I know where I stand, and if some of you, including our esteemed host want to recognize me as a “civic disaster”?

    So be it.

    I know what time it is and I’m not afraid to confront what needs to be confronted.

    whembly (20f8e3)

  230. It’s really all academic, but I would’ve preferred Haley or DeSantis or Christie or Pence or Hutchinson or Burgum over Trump, because any one of them is less worse than Trump, and less worse than Biden, but that’s just not in the cards.

    Since I’m NeverTrump and NeverBiden, it’s Door #3 for me, for the 3rd presidential election in a row.
    In 2016 it was Gary Johnson, in 2020 Larry Hogan and in 2024 TBD. If Haley switches over to No Labels (which would most likely happen after Super Tuesday if it happens), I’ll vote for her, because I’m NeverTrump and NeverBiden, which makes her the least worst option.

    Dustin, I get your dislike for Haley. I was of a similar opinion after reading this, but her performance in the debates turned me around somewhat. But in this political climate, we don’t get nice things, just bad choices and protest votes, so I’m sticking with a protest vote for lack of anything better.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  231. https://twitter.com/JohnStossel/status/1760765654884581597

    Judith Curry being interviewed by John Stossel explaining how the hype and consensus over climate change is being driven by fame and fortune.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  232. I simply do not trust the Democrat party and I don’t think I ever will. So, I choose to stay within the GOP party and try my best to contribute, no matter how meager, to help guild this party in a direction that I can support.

    whembly (20f8e3) — 2/25/2024 @ 6:27 pm

    When the democrats were a mix of conservatives and liberals, in the 1990s, when Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich kinda cheated but essentially balanced the budget, was the American political system better?

    I think it was vastly better.

    And I think it’s a trick that we don’t believe this is a realistic goal. By reducing our system to binary choices where we oppose the other extreme side, both parties kinda force it to be objectionable to the other side, and have purified their own sides into this stupid system we have today.

    The fringe in the GOP is strong. I think it’s weaker in the democrat party, and moderates can change a lot of things.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  233. However, these current Democrat policies has literally cost lives. There is simply no comparison, imho, between Trump crybaby sore loser-ism, to the damage and life by this current administration’s policies.

    I know where I stand, and if some of you, including our esteemed host want to recognize me as a “civic disaster”?

    So be it.

    I know what time it is and I’m not afraid to confront what needs to be confronted.

    whembly (20f8e3) — 2/25/2024 @ 6:35 pm

    Well said Whembly.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  234. @233

    The fringe in the GOP is strong. I think it’s weaker in the democrat party, and moderates can change a lot of things.

    Dustin (6978cf) — 2/25/2024 @ 6:49 pm

    Oh, I disagree with that.

    Trump is popular within the GOP party. That’s it. That’s why he’s going to be the nominee.

    The GOP party will survive Trump. There won’t be another Trump after him.

    Yes, the party will have to pick up the pieces and figure out how to move forward.

    The Democratic party is now held hostage by different fingers of various Marxist ideologies that isn’t going anywhere. It’s only going to get worse for that party.

    I’d rather fight the good fight within the GOP party.

    The other *good* thing in voting for today’s GOP candidates, even Trump, is that Judicial nominations would be solid, if not stellar. Having a Democrat pick judges in the same cloth as Justice Brown “what’s a woman?” scares the daylight out of me. The judges will outlast the hypo 2nd Trump administration.

    whembly (20f8e3)

  235. The GOP party will survive Trump. There won’t be another Trump after him.

    Hope you’re right, but I’m guessing if Donald Trump isn’t the nominee in 2028, one of his kids will be. Which is a bit amusing, as folks like Vivek didn’t seem to pay attention to what happens to Trump’s strongest supporters.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  236. Dustin, I agree that DeSantis fits more the model of what the GOP is today than Haley. It wants smash-mouth confrontational politics. It would rather cast aside serious reforms of immigration to use the issue in November. It will sell out Ukraine because Trump and Carlson want us to. I disagree that that is how you win elections and take swing states but my side has been chased out.

    I would have voted for DeSantis if he had been the last man standing. My thinking is along the lines of Paul’s, where Trump and Ramaswamy were my only hard no’s. DeSantis bet everything on Iowa and it came up snake eyes. An honest assessment of his campaign…not just the $150M but the implosion at his super-PAC and the disjointed themes….is he wasn’t winning over the MAGA voters….and the Never-Trump voters tended to prefer Haley or Christie.

    I have yet to hear a persuasive argument for how to erode Trump’s support. If people don’t care that Trump incited a riot and sat back to see if those rioters would hang Mike Pence, then I don’t know what will make them switch. The modern GOP wants an authoritarian strongman who will break the rules as needed and subjugate norms at his whim.

    Haley says he’s unfit, that his Putin/NATO talk is reckless, and that his pokes at her husband are grotesque for a wannabee “commander in chief”. The GOP base doesn’t care. Fifteen states vote on Super Tuesday, 60% of the voters don’t care that Trump flaunts the law, takes classified documents because he wants them. DeSantis would be in no better position because he doesn’t get them going like Trump does.

    You mess with authoritarianism and this is what you reap. You put the culture war front and center and we end up with the loudest most obnoxious SOB. Doubling down doesn’t change the calculus…

    AJ_Liberty (831c38)

  237. Now I’m a conservative democrat. Where do I look for one? In the mirror?

    A walking talking oxymoron. Go down to the local Democrat Club and tell them you’re a DeSantis-supporting Democrat. Bwhahahahaha.

    The first thing to do in recovery is stop lying to yourself.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  238. BTW, I am not a “conservative” as people use that term today. I’m for sanity and comity and a meeting of minds wherever possible. The only hard position I have is on the Bill of Rights (I support all of it).

    So, call me a centrist, but DO NOT say I don’t have principles. Just not maybe yours and maybe not to the exclusion of sanity, comity and progress.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  239. As AJ says. No one wanted MAGA-lite.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  240. The fringe in the GOP is strong. I think it’s weaker in the democrat party, and moderates can change a lot of things.

    Get back to me when the Squad starts losing primaries and Leftist DAs in places like LA, NYC and Austin are shown the door.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  241. The only purpose of the WWE ahem, excuse me GOP primary was to give Trump a column of Wins. That’s the way he rolls, from his fake Man The Year Time covers, to his fake golf club champion trophies, to his fake property valuations, his ego being insatiable and his shamelessness unbounded.

    And I suspect they are all in on the charade, not just La Sobrina (a/k/a Ronna McDaniel but I like to call her The Niece in Spanish), each of the bums for their own reasons, including Haley. Whatever their reasons, and no reason for us to take them seriously.

    nk (165b5a)

  242. Get back to me when the Squad starts losing primaries and Leftist DAs in places like LA, NYC and Austin are shown the door.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 7:58 pm

    i’m not worried about a handful of goofs in congress. The laws ensure we get a few.

    But DAs need to be changed. That’s why my plan makes a lot more sense than putting your nevertrump hopes in Haley, one of Trump’s own people.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  243. As AJ says. No one wanted MAGA-lite.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 7:56 pm

    Desantis isn’t MAGA lite.

    Rejecting Desantis because to you, he’s like Trump, totally redefines what I thought the problem with Trump was. A veteran who isn’t getting rich in public service, who wins his fights, stands up for things even when difficult, who follows the concept of liberty consistently and predictably (like Clarence Thomas to some extent). In this way, Haley is plainly more like Trump than Desantis was.

    Anyway, I guess y’all aren’t that concerned about Trump, having put your efforts into trashing the one viable option you had.

    Dustin (6978cf)

  244. I understand the notion that the border issue alone is so egregious, with such permanent consequences, you prefer trump. If Trump hadn’t tried to steal the election, I would probably really struggle with the comparison, but he’s a non-starter for me.

    Hey Dustin!

    My view is that the border bill Biden would sign is the best bill in decades and would solve the crisis almost immediately, but the GOP will not pass it because Trump wants the problem to remain unsolved.

    Anyone who really cares about the border and is not blinded by partisan goggles should be working overtime to defeat Trump, who thrills to see any bad news at the border because he cares only about himself.

    Patterico (b9e870)

  245. That may be, but he still needs to put up the bonds in order to appeal.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa) — 2/25/2024 @ 5:05 pm

    Apparently, that’s a popular misconception. Posting the bond is required to stay enforcement of the judgment, but he can appeal with or without it. If he appeals without posting the bond, he may have to pay the judgment while the appeal is proceeding. That’s no fun, but it has no effect on the appeal itself. Of course, if the judgment is reduced on appeal or remand, he gets those reductions back.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  246. @246: Three tweets in that thread and for some reason I linked to the least informative. Read all three and you’ll get the picture.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  247. Clearly you are not listening. Trump will lose by 20%, which I’m told is “a blowout.” And he’ll point to the margin as conclusive evidence of fraud.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 1:55 pm

    Nobody wants Trump crushed more than I do, yet I’d bet an irresponsible sum of money he won’t lose by 20%. In fact even if he were convicted on all 92 counts (IMO highly unlikely), all of which were announced prior to the election (virtually impossible), I’d be surprised if he lost by half that. As is, with one, maybe two of his four criminal trials likely to produce a verdict by election day, I give him an even chance of winning the election.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  248. RIP Chuck Mawhinney, (74); deadliest sniper in Marine Corps history:

    ………..
    Mr. Mawhinney, who served in Vietnam from May 1968 to March 1970, had 106 confirmed kills and another 216 probable kills, averaging about four a week — more than the average company, which comprised about 150 soldiers.

    Among American military snipers, only Chris Kyle, a Navy SEAL who served in Iraq and had 160 confirmed kills, and Adelbert Waldron, an Army sniper during the Vietnam War with 109 kills, had higher numbers than Mr. Mawhinney.
    …………
    Most of his kills came slowly, a single shot from his bolt-action M40 after hours of waiting. But some came in bursts: On the night of Feb. 14, 1969, Mr. Mawhinney watched as a column of North Vietnamese soldiers crossed a shallow river near Da Nang, making their way toward a Marine encampment. He started firing, quickly but methodically, and in 30 seconds he had killed 16. The rest retreated.
    ………….
    “I just did what I was trained to do,” he told The Los Angeles Times in 2000. “I was in-country a long time in a very hot area. I didn’t do anything special.”
    …………..

    Sgt. Mawhinney‘s awards:

    Bronze Star Medal with Combat “V”
    Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal
    Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with Combat “V”
    Purple Heart (2)

    Semper Fi!

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  249. Haley, one of Trump’s own people.

    As were Mattis, Tillerson and John Kelly. I think it’s contemptible for you to denigrate those who tried to serve the country when people of courage were needed most. It’s easy to serve a capable president; much harder to guard the nation against someone like Trump.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  250. Should haley quit? Why? She is showing 40% of republican party don’t want trump. No labels may want her. She could help defeat trump giving you cons a chance to get back in the republican party.

    asset (53e9de)

  251. Anyway, I guess y’all aren’t that concerned about Trump, having put your efforts into trashing the one viable option you had.

    The man just could not dance. Don’t blame us for that.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  252. Should haley quit?

    Haley should quit the GOP and run as an independent. If nothing else it would demonstrate to the two dinosaur parties that there is a Center and they shouldn’t ignore it.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  253. Let’s see what people do when Trump is convicted. That is the 800lb gorilla that no poll captures adequately. There’s no way people have completely processed that yet….or have heard gavel to gavel evidence of crimes. A tsunami is coming. Grab your life jacket….

    AJ_Liberty (831c38) — 2/25/2024 @ 3:55 pm

    I certainly hope you’re right, but why do you believe it? If there’s one meme that’s been debunked over the last 8 years, isn’t it “this revelation is the one that’s finally going to bring Trump down?” Paying $25 million to the victims of his Trump University fraud? Having his foundation shuttered for self-dealing? The Access Hollywood tape? Paying porn stars to shut up about his affairs? Being adjudicated a sexual abuser and declared a rapist from the bench? Ridiculing McCain’s war record? Ridiculing our war dead generally? Fluffing Putin, Kim, Xi, Orban, Erdogan, etc., while demeaning and threatening our allies? The obstructions of justice detailed in the Mueller Report? Inciting and then gleefully watching the 1/6 assault on the Capital? Any one of these, and many more, would have ended any other political career, and each of them was predicted to end Trump’s. The GOP electorate has put Lucy to shame. Why should we believe… why do you believe… they won’t pull the football away this time?

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  254. @254, MAGA supporters process J6 differently than the rest for starters. They view his fraud cases and defamation cases as the price of doing business in a liberal city where liberals hate him. Move those trials to Wichita and they believe there’s a different result.

    Certainly they draw an uneasy comparison between J6 and the BLM lawlessness in the northwest. Essentially, why do we have to care so much about one while liberals in the media and in Congress didn’t care about the other? But the J6 evidence is pretty damning and not technically complicated. The problem is that large swaths of the GOP just haven’t heard it.

    Jack Smith does not equal Alvin Bragg.

    Now you might argue that all of this will still be filtered and attenuated by Right Wing spinners. Hannity, Levin, Tucker, and Andrew McCarthy dressing it up more respectably. There will be a full-court press on what their lying ears are hearing. But the evidence will be coming from Republicans closest to Trump. People who worked next to him.

    There will be a difference between contesting a close election legally and illegally. The awfulness of watching a President sit for 3+ hours as the Capitol is sieged and police are pummeled will be front and center. There is no blaming it on the liberal media.

    There’s no arcane 14A interpretations, no 30-year old memories, no obscure escalation of misdemeanors to felonies, no close comparison to Joe Biden actions, no host of liberal accusers, no need to prove intent to insurrection, and no conspiracy theory that can survive the antiseptic of cross examination and the rules of evidence. Trump just can’t lie his way out of this one….and he rightfully faces a prison cell.

    If Trump’s support craters down to his fervent 30% base, then the question becomes is the GOP simply ready to lose outright to humor those people? I’m not sure that it will be….

    AJ_Liberty (831c38)

  255. “Desantis isn’t MAGA lite.”

    Four things bothered me about DeSantis
    * Calling Putin’s invasion of Ukraine a territorial dispute
    * Using the power of the state to attack Disney for a viewpoint difference
    * Dismissing the value of Covid vaccinations
    * Promising to bring anti-woke vendettas nationally

    Now is he better and much smarter than Trump? Most certainly. Would I vote for him in a matchup with Joe Biden? Unquestionably. But as an alternative to Trump, I favored others more, including Haley, Christie, and Hutchinson. I haven’t gotten to vote yet, so I’m not sure how I’m responsible for knocking DeSantis out. DeSantis wagered he could woo MAGA supporters by being a more efficient and productive Trump without the baggage. That argument didn’t work. I’m not going to argue that Haley’s strategy has won either. 60-40 ain’t winning. My personal conclusion is that there was no strategy to defeat Trump once 60% of the GOP decided that felony indictments aren’t real and are just political persecution.

    So whether it was DeSantis at 40% or Haley at 40%, what does it matter? Some here admire the Orbanesque illiberal approach to defeating liberals: forcing companies to adopt the right values, whether their employees and customers agree or not. Some of it I can appreciate, some I can’t. Still, I’m a believer in federalism to my core, so what states do, I give a wide swath. What the President should try to do is a bit different. I don’t look at Viktor Orban as a role model for our civic life. We need to improve the tone of our politics or we risk imperiling the whole experiment. We can’t continue with the level of hate and toxicity in how we self govern. DeSantis seems to want to take it to the next level. To each his own, but I don’t see Democrats gravitating toward conservative authoritarians. I wish Ron well but he never had a chance to dethrone Trump…and he didn’t have the staying power to last through his J6 trial. He’s probably the emergency backup, but it ain’t Haley’s fault that he’s sidelined.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  256. @253

    Should haley quit?

    Haley should quit the GOP and run as an independent. If nothing else it would demonstrate to the two dinosaur parties that there is a Center and they shouldn’t ignore it.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/25/2024 @ 11:13 pm

    Haley won’t quit the GOP.

    Here’s the primary reason why…

    $$$

    She’s still getting fat stacks from donors and will likely keep happening till the nomination.

    Then, she can turn those campaign contributions into a SuperPAC or non-profit organization that she controls.

    whembly (5f7596)

  257. Here’s the recent motion from Trump’s document case that argued that Jack Smith is not a valid ‘Special Counsel’ prosecutor:
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.326.0.pdf


    The Appointments Clause does not permit the Attorney General to appoint, without Senate confirmation, a private citizen and like-minded political ally to wield the
    prosecutorial power of the United States. As such, Jack Smith lacks the authority to prosecute this action. “[T]hat is a serious problem for the rule of law—whatever one may think of former President Trump or the conduct Smith challenges in the underlying case.”2 This is an issue of first impression in the Eleventh Circuit, and it requires that the Superseding Indictment be dismissed.

    whembly (5f7596)

  258. Here’s the motion from Trump’s team saying he has immunity to these charges due to his actions amounted to ‘official acts’ to designate documents as personal presidential documents:
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.324.0.pdf

    President Donald J. Trump respectfully submits this motion seeking dismissal of Counts 1 through 32 on the basis of presidential immunity, as these
    charges stem directly from official acts by President Trump while in office. 1
    Specifically, President Trump is immune from prosecution on Counts 1 through 32 because the charges turn on his alleged decision to designate records as personal under the Presidential Records Act (“PRA”) and to cause the records to be moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago. As alleged in the Superseding Indictment, President Trump made this decision while he was still in office. The alleged decision was an official act, and as such is subject to presidential immunity.

    The Court should hold a hearing to resolve any factual disputes relating to the official nature of President Trump’s PRA designation and the removal of his personal records from the White House. See Blassingame v. Trump, 87 F.4th 1, 29-30 (D.C. Cir. 2023). Following any necessary hearing, the Court should dismiss Counts 1 through 32.

    Say, if the court rules in favor of Trump on this one (humor me here), that doesn’t wipeout the Obstruction charge as well, right?

    To me, it seems that the obstruction charge is where Trump is most vulnerable.

    whembly (5f7596)

  259. A separate motion to “dismiss the indictment based on the PRA”:
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.327.0.pdf

    President Donald J. Trump respectfully submits this motion to dismiss the Superseding Indictment pursuant to the Presidential Records Act (“PRA”). First, the PRA conferred unreviewable discretion on President Trump to designate the records at issue as personal. As such, President Trump’s possession of those records was not “unauthorized” as alleged in Counts 1 through 32. Second, the PRA’s exclusive remedy for records collection efforts by NARA is civil in nature and forecloses criminal investigations.1 Therefore, as with Counts 1 through 32, the remaining Counts charging President Trump in the Superseding Indictment fail to state a claim
    under Rule 12(b)(3)(v) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. Accordingly, pursuant to the PRA, the Superseding Indictment must be dismissed.

    whembly (5f7596)

  260. Looks like there’s more motions from last Friday…

    The interesting thing here, is that it looks like Trump finally found a lawyer(s) who seems competent, and many of these motions has a decent chance to derail the government’s effort to have this tried before the election.

    whembly (5f7596)

  261. @JVW, as I’ve mentioned in past postings, playing the “what…if” and gaming out how a Tulsi Gabbard VP pick would work and I thought of you when I saw this article:
    https://stream.org/tnt-why-trump-and-tulsi-could-be-dynamite/

    TNT: Why Trump-and-Tulsi Could Be Dynamite

    Talk of Trump picking Tulsi Gabbard for VP gains steam after former Democratic candidate’s speech at CPAC.

    Suddenly Al’s crazy talk these past several years about Tulsi Gabbard being an inspired choice for Trump’s VP doesn’t sound so crazy. Not only did Trump admit to Laura Ingraham last week she’s on his short list, it was announced Thursday the former Democratic Rep. from Hawaii is going to be hosting a fundraiser for Trump at Mar-a-Lago on March 7. Then at CPAC Friday night, Gabbard offered full-barrel defense of Trump that, as Post Millennium reports, left the audience buzzing about her as VP.

    Just four years ago, Tulsi Gabbard was a Democratic candidate for president.

    We were going to wait to lay out why she’d be a perfect choice for Trump, but now that others are picking up on the idea, we might as well lay it out now.

    First, let’s start with the obvious.

    The Presidential Bearing
    Donald Trump himself says the first thing he’s looking for is someone he thinks would be a good president. Gabbard is strong, smart, savvy, a fierce defender of this country, a vet and has the bearing and gravitas to sit behind the Resolute Desk. Can you imagine her delivering an important address to the nation, standing strong at a gathering of international leaders, saluting the soldiers at the bottom of Air Force One?

    The Basic Political Calculation
    Traditionally, nominees pick a V.P. who can deliver something for them politically. If Trump has trouble with suburban women, is considered by some to be too long in the tooth, and supposedly has trouble expanding beyond his MAGA base, who better than a young female who a few short years ago was a rising Democratic star?

    A Proven Kamala Slayer
    Nikki Haley’s been arguing that the next President is going to be female: Either her or Kamala. And there’s some truth to that. It’s assured Kamala will quickly become president if Biden wins and Trump’s VP will likely end up president sooner or later if he wins.

    So what does a Kamala Harris — Tulsi Gabbard VP match-up in 2024 look like? An absolute slaughter. We know this because during a 2019 Democratic primary debate, when Kamala was still the next great thing, Tulsi Gabbard destroyed her in about 90 seconds without raising her pulse. Gabbard went after Harris on her record in California of putting black men in jail for minor pot offenses, keeping black men in jail past their sentences to do labor for the state, hit-after-hit, punch-after-punch. Kamala collapsed under the assault, offered no comeback, just shrill and ugly personal insults and dismissing Gabbard as not being a top-tiered candidate. Harris’ campaign never recovered.

    What would Tulsi do to Kamala in a 90-minute debate with Kamala being Kamala and forced to defend Biden’s record? Which would leave the stage with voters going “She could be president”?

    But What Does President Donald J. Trump Need?
    Donald Trump is a unique figure in American political history. His strengths and weaknesses are open and obvious. What characteristics would Donald J. Trump need out of his Vice President in a second term to be most effective?

    First, he needs a fighter. Someone who is unafraid to go on the offensive, successfully take on those that come at Trump, so Trump doesn’t have to. Mike Pence did not do that. Sen. Tim Scott is far too genial. You won’t see him putting rhetorical shivs into anybody. Gabbard has proven she can take the heat and has the grit. She can do the rumbling, the street fighting and let Trump concentrate on the job and showing off the grandfatherly side of his personality, rather than be Mr. Mean Tweet. Having a proven fighter out front would keep Trump away from his worst instincts. This is CRUCIAL.

    Second, he needs someone as dedicated to putting America First as he is, someone with as deep a loathing of the Deep State, Big Tech, the globalists and war-mongers. Someone who is not part of the old Republican guard. Someone who would scare the elites and not back-stab Trump’s agenda. Again, CRUCIAL. Again, something he lacked his first term.

    Third, he needs someone who can articulate Trump’s policies better, clearer, more effectively than he can.

    What Does The Trump the Person Need?
    Tulsi Gabbard brings one more gift to the table that is absolutely crucial. Donald Trump needs a Vice President who can tell him he’s wrong or an idea is whack without him getting defensive or dismiss it out of hand. Someone he will listen to and respect. First, Tulsi’s mellow, even-keel Hawaiian demeanor is a perfect complement to Trump’s Guy from Queens over-the-top temperament. Yet, she’s strong enough not to get rolled. Can you think of anyone else mentioned as a potential VP that has both qualities? She’s also got “star power,” but unlikely to turn into a spotlight-stealing diva. Serving the country, not her ambition, will always come first.

    Second, Trump tends to “cast” people who “look the role.” Sure, they’re qualified, but they also fit his image of what the role should be. Take Mike Pence. He looked like a Vice President. Or Trump’s first Secretary of State, Rex Tillison. Straight out of central casting. Rick Perry, a big ol’ Texan for Secretary of Energy. It may sound shallow, but Tulsi Gabbard looks and carries herself as a female Vice President would in the movies.

    Finally … and far more seriously, and something you likely won’t hear anywhere else: Tulsi Gabbard fits perfectly the mold of those who have held sway over Trump over the years. She is a strong, independent woman of both beauty and grace.

    Think back: Ivana Trump, Melania Trump, Ivanka Trump, daughter-in-law Lara Trump, Hope Hicks, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, KellyAnn Conway, Kayleigh McEnany, former White House Domestic Policy Council Director and America First President Brooke Rollins. Throw evangelist Paula White in there as well. Even Nikki Haley fit the bill until she turned on Trump, entered the race, and is now going scorched earth. (Though one suspects Trump still has a soft spot for her and she may still end up in the cabinet). Heck, go back to Carolyn Kepcher, the woman who was his sidekick on The Apprentice before Ivanka took over in 2006.

    There is an archetype to which Trump responds. Tulsi Gabbard fits that it to a T.

    A Prediction: Keep an Eye on the Mar-a-Lago Fundraiser
    Back in 1992, Bill Clinton made what at the time was a shocking choice for running mate, then-Senator Al Gore. Both were young southerners. Nominees just didn’t pick someone who, politically and geographically, was so similar. However, when you saw the two together, it fit. It clicked. It looked right. “Yeah, that’s the ticket.” And America agreed.

    On March 7, Tulsi Gabbard will be hosting a fundraiser at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate. At some point, she and Trump will share the stage together. The combative construction guy from Queens and the shrewed, even-keeled military vet from Hawaii. “Mahalo” and “Hey, I’m Walkin’ Here!” Young and not-so-young. Republican convert, former Democrat rising star.

    An unimaginable prospect just a few short years ago. An odd couple, one would think.

    The image of Trump and Tulsi together may well decide the direction of the election. Does America go, “Yeah. That fits. That looks right. That’s the ticket”?

    We’ll see. But our hunch is the others on the VP short-list will go, “It’s over,” and Republican voters will go, “It’s on!”

    Let’s set aside my distrust of our Sweet Aloha™ political ambition or whether her political “conversion” is genuine… but a few things here:
    1) We know that Kamala Harris will be running here, as she’s not going anywhere. (whether as VP again, or top of the ticket if Joe steps down). It’s undeniable that having Gabbard as Trump’s VP pick would counter any head-to-head interaction with Harris.

    2) It’s easy to see that she’d be Trump’s bulldog and would be effective. (her foreign policy stance is of concern, but she’d be VP and as such doesn’t have a role in that. Furthermore, she may “learn on the job” and change her tune after being in the Whitehouse. We often see politician says one thing on campaign trail, but does another when in office).

    3) The author’s other points seem reasonable as to the “whys” Trump would pick Gabbard, but I think this fundraiser at MAL would be key to how the look/work together on the stage. We’ve yet to see anyone who’s able to make their “VP mark” around Trump.

    Discuss. 😀

    whembly (5f7596)

  262. Tulsi Gabbard would be half of Russia’s dream presidential ticket. She is overtly pro-Putin, even going so far as to appear on Russian television with Tucker Carlson. At best she is a useful idiot, at worst an unofficial propagandist for Russia.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  263. Gabbard also equates the “suppression” of speech in the United States to that of Russia, blissfully unaware that had she said anything critical of Russia while visiting there she would have been imprisoned.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  264. Tulsi has as much chance to be Trump’s running mate as his sister had to be appointed to the Supreme Court. Ya’ll remember that, right?

    When Trump has nothing to say, he says it anyway. (Not to use a more vulgar expression.) Noem may be under consideration. The others are “man, woman, person, camera, TV”.

    nk (4bbcf1)

  265. @263 http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Tulsi-Gabbard-412532

    Discuss…

    BuDuh (4214e4) — 2/26/2024 @ 8:15 am
    I’m well aware of her voting past, hence why I prefaced my initial statement of setting “aside my distrust” of her.

    But the “righties” in my circle, Trump voters, listens to her podcast and swears she’s a convert.

    I’m not sure I’d believe that, but hasn’t listened to her podcast either.

    whembly (5f7596)

  266. Gabbard is a pretty political lightweight with not much bona fides in the GOP. She’s recognizable from Fox, so maybe that’s enough. Loyalty and alignment with Russia/NATO and aggressive deportation seem key. I would imagine that Trump’s VP will get a big tasking supervising something….re-staffing the DoJ? Purging civil service? Exciting times ahead.

    I still lean toward Noem, who as governor has a bit more stature and gravitas while knowing the words to the MAGA greatest hits. In the end, who will be more simpatico with Trump. Who will take the bullet? Who will be able to fight off the media during the J6 trial? In the end, does it matter? It’s probably who polls as helping him more in the swing states while not costing him any red states.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  267. Biden’s inflation line is that grocery costs are going up through price-gouging and greed, not inflation in the cost of producing goods. To prove their lie is good, the FTC is blocking the Albertsons-Kroger merger, claiming that it is an attempt to continue price-gouging.

    https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/kroger-albertsons-antitrust-ftc-lawsuit-911514b4

    “This supermarket megamerger comes as American consumers have seen the cost of groceries rise steadily over the past few years,” said Henry Liu, director of the FTC’s bureau of competition. “Kroger’s acquisition of Albertsons would lead to additional grocery price hikes for everyday goods, further exacerbating the financial strain consumers across the country face today.”

    The companies said they look forward to presenting their arguments in court. A Kroger spokeswoman said the FTC’s decision makes it more likely that America’s consumers will see higher food prices, fewer grocery stores and that it will strengthen nonunionized retailers.

    An Albertsons spokesman said the deal would lower prices for consumers, increase worker pay and allow the combined company to better compete with Amazon, Walmart and Costco.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  268. She’s still getting fat stacks from donors and will likely keep happening till the nomination.

    She can put that money into an independent campaign as well.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  269. It doesn’t matter who Trump’s VP is. He cannot win. He doesn’t have 40% of the GOP and he doesn’t have 80% of the independents. Game over.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  270. I don’t believe Haley expects to win, Rip, I expect her to be a safety valve in case Trump craters, either mentally or politically or legally or some combination. And she has the added bonus of being able to beat Biden.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 2/24/2024 @ 7:33 pm

    Not gonna happen:

    ………….
    Republican Party officials — including some Trump critics — said that after Trump’s wins in Iowa and New Hampshire, the potential of convention upheaval is almost nonexistent after his allies spent years solidifying RNC rules and processes. In other words, someone like former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley — the one remaining GOP candidate challenging Trump for the nomination — won’t have much luck hoping for a convention floor fight.
    ………….
    “It is virtually impossible to unseat Trump as the nominee,” (said Ken Cuccinelli, who most recently worked as the founder and director of the Ron DeSantis-allied super PAC Never Back Down) in a text message. “The campaigns get to pick the delegates themselves in more states in 2024 than they got to do in 2016.”

    This year, the Trump campaign has focused greater attention on ensuring that the actual delegates it sends to Milwaukee are Trump loyalists, decreasing the concern about potential rogue delegates on the convention floor.
    …………..
    Henry Barbour, a longtime RNC member from Mississippi who also served on the rules committee in 2016, puts the chances of convention delegates’ changing their nominee in Milwaukee at “less than 1%.”
    ………….
    “The reality is that at the convention, if you have two-thirds of delegates on the floor, you can do whatever you want,” Barbour said. “But the delegates got to obviously want that change.”

    “There’s no way, whoever wins the required delegates — whether it’s Trump or Haley — that the delegates are going to work against that person, especially if it’s Trump who has won overwhelmingly,” he said.

    One other party rule that could give delegates an out: Rule 16 (f)(4). That one says the RNC’s 168-member body may grant “a waiver” allowing state Republican parties to unbind their delegates if “compliance is impossible and the Republican National Committee determines that granting such waiver is in the best interests of the Republican Party.” The definition of “impossible” is left with some ambiguity — even if Trump is on trial, it would not be likely to make it “impossible” for him to be the nominee.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  271. The Supreme Court has the power to disqualify him still. Odds are they won’t, but they still could.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  272. Not that would help Haley. They’d just nominate someone worse than Trump. There are some.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  273. Yeah, but what if polling shows him down 6-8% in each swing state and in trouble in others (not preposterous given he will be on trial with everyone paying attention to daily updates of awful). Saying a majority will never leave Trump means that they are content with losing. It’s a cult, but is it a death cult? Maybe. Or maybe a conviction drives big donors and downstream Republican candidates to revolt. At some point the Titanic goes down. Who wants to be the one stuck conducting the band when the hull splits in half? Trump undoubtedly has no invested loyalty with the GOP and getting elected is his only sure-fire way to beat the federal charges and delay the state charges. It will be interesting to see what desperation brings from all involved.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  274. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden

    Not sure what polling you guys are following, but Trump is consistently beating Biden in both swing state and national polling.

    Guess you guys can root for the NY Times again and their Hillary has a 98% chance to win political bias.

    NJRob (ba3b77)

  275. Republican delegates are bound to their candidate on the first ballot, so if Trump has an overwhelming majority of delegates, he will be nominated regardless of the polls or trials.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  276. Can’t the rules be changed?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  277. Can’t the rules be changed?

    Always. In 1976, Reagan tried to get the delegates released and narrowly failed. In 1980, Kennedy tried to get the delegates released and narrowly failed. But in both cases they had over 40% of the delegates going in.

    The only way they will be released this time around is if Trump is unable to continue. As one person put it, there is always “the errant cheeseburger.”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  278. Yeah, but what if polling shows him down 6-8% in each swing state and in trouble in others (not preposterous given he will be on trial with everyone paying attention to daily updates of awful). Saying a majority will never leave Trump means that they are content with losing.

    Goldwater was less likely to win — never polling over 36% — and that didn’t stop them.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  279. McGovern never polled over 38%.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  280. whembly (5f7596) — 2/26/2024 @ 7:30 am
    whembly (5f7596) — 2/26/2024 @ 7:34 am
    whembly (5f7596) — 2/26/2024 @ 7:37 am
    whembly (5f7596) — 2/26/2024 @ 7:40 am

    Here is a summary of Trump’s arguments in his Presidential Records Act motion. For each assertion, there is a link to the appropriate section in his motion.

    ………… Between his motion to dismiss because the Presidential Records Act doesn’t say what he claims it says and his motion to dismiss for absolute immunity, he is arguing that he intended to steal boxes and boxes of classified documents.

    ………… Here (is) his argument:

    •Before the Presidential Records Act was passed, Presidents treated presidential papers — which are different from government classified documents — as their personal property

    •Because NARA had no authority, after Bill Clinton left office, to reclassify tapes of personal conversations Clinton made so Tom Fitton could have them, it means NARA has no authority over what counts as a presidential or personal record

    •Bill Clinton’s personal tapes are exactly the same as the boxes and boxes of official documents Trump sent to Mar-a-Lago

    •Without providing any evidence Trump did classify all those official documents as personal documents, he will nevertheless claim he did so while still in office

    •Robert Hur’s report describing seizing all of Joe Biden’s diaries — which are specifically excluded from the PRA — is proof that Presidents control all official documents they stash away
    ……….
    •Charging Trump for actions he took after leaving the White House is the same as supervising his actions day-to-day

    •Because DOJ declined to second-guess Mark Meadows’ spectacular failure to declassify documents Trump wanted to give to John Solomon, it means DOJ must accept Trump’s vague assertion that he didn’t spectacularly fail to declassify boxes and boxes of documents either

    •These boxes and boxes of official documents, which are not excluded from the PRA, are just like Reagans diaries, which are specifically excluded

    •Clinton’s conversations about official stuff are just the same as the official documents documenting that kind of stuff

    •Because NARA had never made a criminal referral before February 2022, the fact that it has since made two means it couldn’t make any

    •Trump didn’t think he’d get busted, so it was improper for FBI to bust him

    •DOJ should have dealt with me like they did with Peter Navarro when he also blew off the PRA

    •Because DOJ refused to seize unclassified personal Clinton recordings so Tom Fitton could have them, it means DOJ could not seize classified official documents so NARA could have them
    …………..

    And, from the immunity filing, because Trump stole those boxes and boxes of classified documents while he was still Commander-in-Chief, he has immunity from prosecution for doing so.
    …………….

    Discuss.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  281. Can’t the rules be changed?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 2/26/2024 @ 11:02 am

    Yes, with 2/3 of the delegates agreeing to a change. Unlikely.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  282. Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/26/2024 @ 11:09 am
    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/26/2024 @ 11:10 am

    Citing campaigns that occurred 60 and 52 years ago have absolutely no relevance to today’s political landscape.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  283. The only way Trump won’t be the nominee would be a physical disability.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  284. Before the Presidential Records Act was passed, Presidents treated presidential papers — which are different from government classified documents — as their personal property

    Yes, but some of the documents in question here are indeed classified documents, not created by Donald Trump for his personal use although their separation by a special master was stopped when a higher court overruled the judge.

    Because NARA had never made a criminal referral before February 2022, the fact that it has since made two means it couldn’t make any

    Is this an argument about selective prosecution, or about precedent?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  285. he is arguing that he intended to steal boxes and boxes of classified documents.

    Isn’t he is arguing that he had authority to dispose of them while president? And that many of them are his personal property? He’s not arguing that he had the right to “steal” them although in another place he does assert something that includes that.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  286. Dustin (6978cf) — 2/25/2024 @ 4:31 pm

    I also doubt Biden is the candidate.

    I see no reason to suppose that he will not be the Democratic nominee.

    I suspect that idea is being spread by people who do not want a third party candidate.

    There’s never been a time when there’s been more time to organize more candidate when there were many people – possibly a majority – thinking both major party candidates were unacceptable to them, or close to that..

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  287. Citing campaigns that occurred 60 and 52 years ago have absolutely no relevance to today’s political landscape.

    I guess you are doomed to repeat history then.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  288. NJRob (a8fad9) — 2/23/2024 @ 2:34 pm

    No interest in Biden continuing to spit on the Constitution and the Supreme Court with his mass “debt forgiveness” vote buying schemes?

    He’s going to spit on the law – by trying something on immigration Donald Trump did, and got denied by the courts:

    Denying all asylum claims by any people who crossed the border not at an established entry point.

    He’s poised to announce that at the March 7 State of the union message.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/us/politics/biden-executive-order-asylum-border.html

    President Biden is considering executive action that could prevent people who cross illegally into the United States from claiming asylum, several people with knowledge of the proposal said Wednesday. The move would suspend longtime guarantees that give anyone who steps onto U.S. soil the right to ask for safe haven….

    The move, if enacted, [sic – enacted is the wrong word] would echo a 2018 effort by President Donald J. Trump to block migration, which was assailed by Democrats and blocked by federal courts.

    Although such an action would undoubtedly face legal challenges, the fact that Mr. Biden is considering it shows just how far he has shifted on immigration since he came into office, promising a more humane system after the Trump years….

    ….the people with knowledge of the proposal said Mr. Biden could cite his authority to act under Section 212(f) of the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, which allows the president to suspend immigration for anyone determined to be “detrimental to the interests of the United States.” Mr. Trump used the same authority to impose a ban on people from several predominantly Muslim countries during his presidency.

    Lee Gelernt, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union who helped argue against the Trump effort, said his group would most likely challenge such a policy, depending on its details.

    “The courts were emphatic that the Trump administration could not deny asylum based simply on how one entered the country,” Mr. Gelernt said. “Hopefully the Biden administration is not considering recycling this patently unlawful and unworkable policy.”

    If there is a strategy, it would be to prove that, contrary to what the Republicans are now saying, if you want to do that, you need to change the law.

    But a legal fight, regardless of the outcome, could allow Mr. Biden to try to neutralize one of his biggest political vulnerabilities — the chaos at the southern border. Republicans have repeatedly used the border crisis to portray Mr. Biden as weak on enforcement. A legal battle would allow him to spotlight Republicans’ refusal to provide him the power to crack down at the border through legislation.

    In the meantime, he increased Ukrainian casualties by telling the Ukrainian government that U.S. military aid is just around the corner.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  289. @287

    he is arguing that he intended to steal boxes and boxes of classified documents.

    Isn’t he is arguing that he had authority to dispose of them while president? And that many of them are his personal property? He’s not arguing that he had the right to “steal” them although in another place he does assert something that includes that.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 2/26/2024 @ 11:32 am

    He’s arguing that he can assert, under PLA, these documents as Presidential records.

    As such, if true, then he didn’t “steal” those documents.

    whembly (5f7596)

  290. IN California, Adam Schiff is trying to elevate Steve Garvey in order to make him come in second, while Katie Porter is countering by trying to elevate a different Republican so she can come in second – and possibly win in November. (the idea being that, even though she’s further to the left, maybe Republicans will prefer her because Schiff is notable for attacking Trump)

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/schiff-porter-and-the-law-of-the-jungle-primary-november-election-california-8252f241

    Mr. Schiff and Ms. Porter are fighting over who is further to the left while resorting to gamesmanship.

    Take a Schiff campaign ad that attacks the leading Republican candidate, Steve Garvey—the legendary Los Angeles Dodgers first baseman—as “too conservative for California.” “He voted for Trump, twice, and supported Republicans for years, including far-right conservatives,” the ad says.

    Mr. Schiff has spent the past two Senate debates lambasting Mr. Garvey as a MAGA Republican who supports a border wall. But the 12-term congressman isn’t trying to take down Mr. Garvey. He’s trying to pump him up among Republican voters. It’s the same trick Democrats used in 2022 GOP primary races.

    Now, Mr. Schiff is using it with the goal of knocking out Ms. Porter because he knows she stands the best chance of defeating him in November. Democrats have a 2-to-1 voter-registration advantage in the state, which makes Mr. Garvey’s bid a long shot. But Ms. Porter has won three times in a purple Orange County district, showing she can woo independents and conservatives. She has done so largely by playing up her status as a single mom, crusading against political and corporate corruption, and supporting a restoration of the state-and-local tax deduction…

    ….There are some minor policy differences between Ms. Porter and Mr. Schiff. Namely, he is more supportive of Israel. But what mainly distinguishes the two is their campaign talking points. Ms. Porter stresses abortion and pocketbook issues. Mr. Schiff is running on his calling card: opposition to Mr. Trump.

    The congressman’s quandary is that his attacks on the former president, while popular among Democrats, could drive Republicans to cast their ballots in November for Ms. Porter. It’s plausible she could win, again, with a heterodox coalition of Republicans, independents and progressives.

    That probably explains Mr. Schiff’s desire to boost Mr. Garvey. Meanwhile, Ms. Porter is responding in kind with ads that try to lift the little-known GOP candidate Eric Early by attacking him as “way too MAGA for California” and more pro-Trump than Mr. Garvey. Splitting the GOP vote would improve her odds of finishing second.

    I didn’t know that Adam Schiff started out as a blue dog Democrat,and in the state Senate was notable for his anti crime stance and sponsored a 1997 bill that would have made it a felony to employ undocumented immigrants, punishable by up to four years in prison!

    A little like Schumer with his national ID card/work authorization leanings..

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  291. Haley won about 39,5% in the South Carolina Republican primary and Donald Trump won just under 60% (59.8%)

    Not that many non-Republicans took part. To do so, they would have had to skip the February 3 Democratic primary.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  292. Dustin (6ea8c2) — 2/25/2024 @ 12:23 pm

    Haley, who is a terrible candidate with no core values,

    She seems to say whatever is easy to say. She even described both Biden and Trump as 80 years old. But I don’t know that she is a terrible candidate.

    People talk about the budget in abstract terms. The only good outcome is economic growth.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  293. @293

    Haley won about 39,5% in the South Carolina Republican primary and Donald Trump won just under 60% (59.8%)

    Weird fact.

    Trump won more total primary vote in SC in history.

    In a non-incumbent primary, Haley’s delta is the large in SC in history.

    Not that many non-Republicans took part. To do so, they would have had to skip the February 3 Democratic primary.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 2/26/2024 @ 12:56 pm

    I’m trying to find it, but Haley’s “non-Republican” primary voters was pretty significant, and that’s due to the unique scenario where the incumbent is so unpopular.

    whembly (5f7596)

  294. It’s not just climate alarmism. It is accompanied by assertions that it is possible todo something about the levels carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, at least by what amounts to extreme measures, when it is not. And also by scientists who propose other remedies besides using less, apologizing in advance by saying that of course this is not a argument for burning less carbon.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/climate/sun-shade-climate-geoengineering.html

    Proponents say that a sunshade would not eliminate the need to stop burning coal, oil and gas, the main drivers of climate change. Even if greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels were to immediately drop to zero, there’s already excessive heat-trapping carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

    And they treat CO2 as the only variable that matters, when storms and variations in precipitation, high and low, are caused by an increase of the average amount of H2o in the atmosphere.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  295. Weird fact.

    Trump won more total primary vote in SC in history.

    That would be because the field was not split, and turnout wss high, asit is in every election involving Trump.

    In a non-incumbent primary, Haley’s delta is the large in SC in history.

    What does delta mean here?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  296. lurker (cd7cd4) — 2/25/2024 @ 11:20 pm

    Inciting and then gleefully watching the 1/6 assault on the Capitol?

    He didn’t incite it and he was not gleeful – he tried to draw some comfort from the fact that he had such dedicated supporters (nobody else around him had the same opinion) and made some attempt to use it in an argument with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.

    In reality, he was very concerned that the storming of the Capitol could put paid to all his plans to have objections to the certification (unlikely of success as they were)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  297. @297

    What does delta mean here?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 2/26/2024 @ 1:13 pm

    When comparing to sets of numbers, the “delta” means the difference between two values.

    whembly (5f7596)

  298. https://twitter.com/mjuric/status/1761981816125469064?

    I know many good individuals working there, but as a company they’ve irrevocably lost my trust. I’m “moving out”. Here’s why:

    I’ve been reading Google’s Gemini damage control posts. I think they’re simply not telling the truth. For one, their text-only product has the same (if not worse) issues. And second, if you know a bit about how these models are built, you know you don’t get these “incorrect” answers through one-off innocent mistakes. Gemini’s outputs reflect the many, many, FTE-years of labeling efforts, training, fine-tuning, prompt design, QA/verification — all iteratively guided by the team who built it. You can also be certain that before releasing it, many people have tried the product internally, that many demos were given to senior PMs and VPs, that they all thought it was fine, and that they all ultimately signed off on the release. With that prior, the balance of probabilities is strongly against the outputs being an innocent bug — as
    @googlepubpolicy
    is now trying to spin it: Gemini is a product that functions exactly as designed, and an accurate reflection of the values people who built it.

    Those values appear to include a desire to reshape the world in a specific way that is so strong that it allowed the people involved to rationalize to themselves that it’s not just acceptable but desirable to train their AI to prioritize ideology ahead of giving user the facts. To revise history, to obfuscate the present, and to outright hide information that doesn’t align with the company’s (staff’s) impression of what is “good”. I don’t care if some of that ideology may or may not align with your or my thinking about what would make the world a better place: for anyone with a shred of awareness of human history it should be clear how unbelievably irresponsible it is to build a system that aims to become an authoritative compendium of human knowledge (remember Google’s mission statement?), but which actually prioritizes ideology over facts. History is littered with many who have tried this sort of moral flexibility “for the greater good”; rather than helping, they typically resulted in decades of setbacks (and tens of millions of victims).

    NJRob (ba3b77)

  299. Did you know that Vladimir Putin, in 1996, plagiarized a ghostwritten dissertation? Mentioned in a book (The New Tsar, by Steve Lee Myers, pages 114-115) Putin only used it for a short time.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20221129212320/https://www.brookings.edu/events/the-mystery-of-vladimir-putins-dissertation/

    It seems like Steele dossier source Igor Danchenko was the person who brought it to everyone’s attention in 2006.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Danchenko

    Together with Clifford Gaddy he analyzed Vladimir Putin’s 1996 university dissertation and presented examples of plagiarism.

    Was Danchenko fed this information by Putin to give him credibility?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  300. 299. whembly (5f7596) — 2/26/2024 @ 1:21 pm

    When comparing to sets of numbers, the “delta” means the difference between two values.

    Yes, Trump got close to a landslide in the South Carolina Republican primary (if landslide means 60%)

    Over 20 percentage points more than Nikki Haley, his closest competitor.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  301. She seems to say whatever is easy to say.

    Example:

    Trump, Biden, DeSantis: We will not change Social Security or Medicare.

    Haley: We need to reform both, starting by raising the retirement age for SS.

    See, the easy way.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  302. Mr. Schiff and Ms. Porter are fighting over who is further to the left while resorting to gamesmanship.

    Katie Porter is too far left for CA. Even her House seat was iffy.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  303. Citing campaigns that occurred 60 and 52 years ago have absolutely no relevance to today’s political landscape.

    I guess you are doomed to repeat history then.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/26/2024 @ 12:30 pm

    I guess you’re ignoring the sea changes in the electorate over past 60 years.

    Rip Murdock (eaad4d)

  304. Yes, Trump got close to a landslide in the South Carolina Republican primary (if landslide means 60%)

    Over 20 percentage points more than Nikki Haley, his closest competitor.

    When LBJ got numbers like that in 1968, he quit the race.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  305. Katie Porter is too far left for CA. Even her House seat was iffy.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/26/2024 @ 2:20 pm

    LOL! This is the same state that elected Barbara Boxer multiple times and was described by the Cato Institute as more left than Bernie Sanders. No one can be too liberal for California voters. It just that Katie Porter and Barbara Lee lack Adam Schiff’s resources.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  306. I guess you’re ignoring the sea changes in the electorate over past 60 years.

    I see no evidence that political parties have changed. Both are willing to nominate sure losers if that’s what their members want. Far more recently, Dole lost big and polls said he’d lose big (he only got to 40% in November). But they nominated him anyway.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  307. When LBJ got numbers like that in 1968, he quit the race.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/26/2024 @ 2:21 pm

    Irrelevant to today. What drove Johnson out of the race was opposition to the Vietnam War.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  308. I see no evidence that political parties have changed. Both are willing to nominate sure losers if that’s what their members want. Far more recently, Dole lost big and polls said he’d lose big (he only got to 40% in November). But they nominated him anyway.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/26/2024 @ 2:30 pm

    I didn’t mention political parties; I was referring how the voting population has changed in the past 60 years.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  309. Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 2/26/2024 @ 12:52 pm

    Schiff’s strategy is to choose his own opponent for second place finisher in California’s jungle primary. There are few policy differences between Schiff and Porter, mostly over a ceasefire in Gaza (Schiff is against, Porter and Lee are in favor, but Lee is irrelevant). And it’s working:

    A new (2/20/24) Emerson College Polling/Inside California Politics/The Hill survey finds Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff maintaining his lead in the U.S. Senate Primary, with 28%, followed by former professional baseball player and Republican Steve Garvey at 22%, and Democratic Rep. Katie Porter with 16%. Nine percent support Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee. Seventeen percent remain undecided.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  310. CNN South Carolina Primary Exit Poll

    ………….
    More than three-quarters of voters said they made their minds up before this year even began, with an overwhelming majority of those early deciders backing Trump. By contrast, the small fraction who were still undecided in January or even more recently broke, by a somewhat narrower margin, for Haley.

    Roughly 4 in 10 South Carolina primary voters described themselves as affiliated with the MAGA movement. Just over one-third acknowledged that Joe Biden was the legitimate victor of the 2020 presidential election …….. And only about 36% of South Carolina primary voters said they’d consider Trump unfit for the presidency if he were convicted of a crime.

    Close to 70% of South Carolina primary voters identified as Republicans………. Voters who are college graduates were closely divided between Trump and Haley, while three-quarters of those without a college degree – the majority of South Carolina’s GOP electorate – supported Trump.
    ………..
    The exit poll also highlights Trump and Haley’s disparate appeals to their supporters. About half of Trump voters in South Carolina said they were most looking for a candidate who would fight for people like them, and about one-third that they wanted someone who shares their values, with fewer prioritizing a candidate’s temperament or potential electability against Biden. By contrast, Haley voters were most likely to prioritize temperament, followed by shared values.
    …………
    ………….(O)nly about 5% of primary voters identified as Democrats.

    …………. Nearly two-thirds of Trump voters in South Carolina said they’d favor banning most or all abortions nationwide, while roughly two-thirds of Haley voters said they would be opposed to doing so.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  311. Trump got close to a landslide in the South Carolina Republican primary (if landslide means 60%)

    Over 20 percentage points more than Nikki Haley, his closest competitor.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 2/26/2024 @ 2:06 pm

    Trump may have won “only” 60% of the vote, but he won 94% of the 50 delegates at stake (47).

    And Haley wasn’t Trump’s “closest” competitor, she was his only competitor.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  312. While Trump may be averaging 55-60% of the Republican Party primary vote so far, he has won 77.5% (110 out 142) of the delegates awarded so far, while Haley has won just 14% (20 out of 142). The remaining delegates were awarded to DeSantis (9) and Ramaswamy (3).

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  313. While Trump may be averaging 55-60% of the Republican Party primary vote so far, he has won 77.5% (110 out 142) of the delegates awarded so far,

    He is also the club champion at all of his golf courses.

    nk (45f708)

  314. He is also the club champion at all of his golf courses.

    nk (45f708) — 2/26/2024 @ 3:41 pm

    He doesn’t need to cheat in primaries, voters are more than happy to cast their votes for him.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  315. Frogs. Ponds. The two of them together got less than one-third of the total votes cast in the 2020 general election.

    nk (45f708)

  316. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/tom-cotton-new-york-times/677546/

    orientation with more than a dozen other new hires. We had to do an icebreaker: Pick a Starburst out of a jar and then answer a question. My Starburst was pink, I believe, and so I had to answer the pink prompt, which had me respond with my favorite sandwich. Russ & Daughters’ Super Heebster came to mind, but I figured mentioning a $19 sandwich wasn’t a great way to win new friends. So I blurted out, “The spicy chicken sandwich from Chick-fil-A,” and considered the ice broken.

    The HR representative leading the orientation chided me: “We don’t do that here. They hate gay people.” People started snapping their fingers in acclamation. I hadn’t been thinking about the fact that Chick-fil-A was transgressive in liberal circles for its chairman’s opposition to gay marriage. “Not the politics, the chicken,” I quickly said, but it was too late. I sat down, ashamed.

    The leftist cult is real and it’s totalitarian.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  317. Still not looking good for Fani/Wade:
    https://twitter.com/PhilHollowayEsq/status/1762264341401792998

    @PhilHollowayEsq
    BREAKING 🚨🚨

    Judge rules no attorney-client privilege for #FaniWillis “special prosecutor” Nathan Wade’s former lawyer

    This means he will have to testify about potentially incriminating texts and other information that could prove Willis affair started earlier than she said

    whembly (0e488f)

  318. Zelenskyy

    President Zelensky: “To support Russia it means to be against America…That’s why I can’t understand how Donald Trump can be on the side of Putin.”

    It’s that simple.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  319. Bomb exploded out side Alabama attorney general’s office after he said he would not prosecute vtf clinics.

    asset (037ea4)

  320. NY democrats join the gerrymandering game to take back the 4 house seats they lost and knockout to republican incumbents. Both sides and play that game!

    asset (037ea4)

  321. No labels interested in running a Nikki Haley and JFK jr ticket. Un-committed may take 20% of the vote tomorrow in Michigan democrat primary.

    asset (037ea4)

  322. @320 A president who has suspended elections probably should stay out of ours. We’re well aware how much Democrats and their fellow travelers relish hearing foreign leaders smear Americans.

    lloyd (16d2e1)

  323. No labels interested in running a Nikki Haley and JFK jr ticket.

    1. Haley says she is not interested in No Labels.

    Haley said that’s not happening.

    “I’ve been a conservative Republican my whole life. I’m not going to switch over and have a Democrat vice president. That’s not something I would do,” Haley told Fox News on Monday. “My heart has always been with the Republican Party and this country. So that’s what I’m gonna do.”

    2. JFK Jr. Is dead.

    Rip Murdock (eaad4d)

  324. A president who has suspended elections probably should stay out of ours.

    lloyd, you’re lying.

    One, Ukraine cannot hold elections while under martial law, per their constitution.

    Two, it was the Ukrainian parliament, not the president, that declared martial law.

    Do better, man.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  325. JFK Jr. Is dead.

    That’s what they want you to think.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  326. A president who has suspended elections probably should stay out of ours.

    lloyd, you’re lying.

    No, he’s just repeating something he read on the “Why Trump is right about Putin” talking point sheet.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  327. And let’s not forget that as the best-selling author of “Platonism In Eighteenth Century English Poetry”, Donald Trump has a built-in fan base of at least 20% of the rural South.

    nk (5b5cf9)

  328. Especially the idea that all of reality can be derived from the pronouncements of “the One.”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  329. Supreme Court skeptical of Texas, Florida regulation of social media moderation

    The Supreme Court on Monday appeared skeptical of a pair of laws in Texas and Florida that would regulate how large social media companies control content posted on their sites. During nearly four hours of arguments, several justices suggested that the laws violate the First Amendment because they infringe on the ability of companies like Facebook and YouTube to make decisions about the content that appears on their platforms. But at the same time, the justices expressed concern about the posture in which the companies’ challenge came to the court, suggesting that it could prevent them from weighing in on the Florida law in particular.
    ………..
    At Monday’s argument, Florida Solicitor General Henry Whitaker emphasized that social media platforms are simply “in the business of transmitting their users’ speech” and “do not have a First Amendment right to apply their censorship policies in an inconsistent manner and to censor and deplatform certain users.”

    Representing the trade groups, Paul Clement countered that, “given the vast amount of material on the Internet in general and on these websites in particular, exercising editorial discretion is absolutely necessary to make the websites useful for users and advertisers.”

    U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar agreed with Clement, telling the justices that – like newspaper editors and parade sponsors – social media platforms are protected by the First Amendment. And although that does not mean that social media platforms are “immune from government regulation,” she continued, “[t]hese state laws which restrict the speech of the platforms to enhance the relative voice of certain users don’t withstand constitutional scrutiny.”
    ……….
    ……….Why, (Justice Elena Kagan) asked Whitaker, “isn’t this a classic First Amendment violation,” when the state is preventing the platforms from making their own editorial judgments.

    Whitaker pushed back, arguing that the platforms’ moderation of the content on their sites is not speech protected by the First Amendment at all.

    But Justice Brett Kavanaugh also appeared unconvinced. He noted that the First Amendment protected against the suppression of speech “by the government” (an observation echoed by Chief Justice John Roberts) and that the Supreme Court has a line of cases “which emphasize editorial control as being fundamentally protected by the First Amendment.”
    ………..
    Justice Clarence Thomas, however, disagreed. “Can you give me,” he asked Clement, “one example of a case in which we said that the First Amendment protects the right to censor?”

    Justice Samuel Alito also appeared more inclined to uphold the laws. Is content moderation, he asked Clement, “actually more than a euphemism for censorship?”
    ………
    Alito asked Whitaker for a list of the social media companies covered by the Florida law, as well as a list of the functions that those companies perform.

    Whitaker blamed the social media companies for the dearth of information, telling the justices that the record in the case was “not fully developed” because the tech groups had wanted to move quickly and even turned down an offer to put the law on hold temporarily to allow a fuller ventilation of the issues. There are, Whitaker stressed, “clearly constitutional applications of the law.”

    But Clement and Prelogar sought to shift any blame to the state. They countered that, in opposing an order that would temporarily put the Florida law on hold, the state had focused only on the large social media platforms and whether their content moderation was expressive conduct protected by the First Amendment.
    ……….
    The justices pressed Clement to discuss the interaction between the Texas law and Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which generally shields tech companies from liability for content published by others. Justice Neil Gorsuch told Clement that, in his view, there is a tension between the idea that a tech company can’t be held liable for its users’ speech and the idea that moderating that content is the tech company’s speech. Is it speech for purposes of the First Amendment, he asked, but not for purposes of Section 230?

    Clement responded that it is. It would defeat the purposes of Section 230 if editorial discretion was not protected by Section 230, he said. The whole point of the law, he argued, was to keep the “bad speech” out.
    ……….

    Links to audio of the arguments in the first paragraph.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  330. I wonder what the limits of a site’s ability to block comments are.

    * Could they block all comments from given commenters for unexplained and unappealable reasons? (WaPo does this)

    * Could they block all comments from people with Jewish-sounding names?

    * Could they block all comments supportive of Donald Trump (or Joe Biden)?

    * Could they block all comments of persons whose names start with “P”?

    * Could they charge some people for access to forums, and not others? Are their limits on this?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  331. In short, can they block comments for reasons other than the contents of the comments?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  332. Could a state say that “political viewpoints” invoke a protected class, and not just with employment? WOuld that affect how social media companies operate in their state?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  333. Here is what I get from the WaPo when I click on comments:

    Your account has been banned from commenting.

    Someone with access to your account has violated our community guidelines. As a result, your account has been banned. You will no longer be able to comment, use reactions or report comments. If you think this has been done in error, please contact our community team.

    Contacting the “community team” results in a canned response that no appeals are accepted.

    Where does this fall in the “editorial decision” space? Near as I can tell, I pushed back on an op-ed and someone took offense. But they’ve never said anything but the above.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  334. The Texas and Florida statutes are targeted at social media platforms (X, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), not websites such as newspapers, EBay, or Amazon, all of which allow user comments or product reviews. They could do all those things, since they are private businesses who have the right to ban whomever they please (“no shoes, no shirt, no service.”) And since most commenters use fake names (unless Haley gets her way), it would very hard to identify the ethnicity of a poster.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  335. You should listen the audio of the arguments-it covers a lot of your questions. There are also transcripts.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  336. (“no shoes, no shirt, no service.”)

    “Whites only”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  337. (“no shoes, no shirt, no service.”)

    “Whites only”

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/27/2024 @ 12:18 pm

    So the two are equivalent?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  338. Kevin M (ed969f) — 2/27/2024 @ 12:05 pm

    The Texas and Florida laws are more than just about people being banned from commenting. They also ban “viewpoint discrimination,” which means they must allow all messages, even invidious ones. From an exchange in the Texas case:

    PAUL CLEMENT (representing the tech companies): ……. (T)his statute operates more simply because it forbids my clients from engaging in viewpoint discrimination. Now we’re used to thinking that viewpoint discrimination is a bad thing and that governments shouldn’t do it. And, of course, when governments do it, it is a bad thing.

    But, when editors or speakers engage in viewpoint discrimination, that is their First Amendment right. It is also absolutely vital to the operation of these websites because, if you have to be viewpoint-neutral, that means that if you have materials that are involved in suicide prevention, you also have to have materials that advocate suicide promotion. Or, if you have materials on your site that are pro-Semitic, then you have to let on materials onto your site that are anti-Semitic. And that is a formula for making these websites very unpopular to both users and advertisers. …….
    ……….

    CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Mr. Clement, if these laws go into effect, what –how would your clients –what steps would they take to comply?
    ………
    CLEMENT…….I think we would fundamentally have to change the way that we provide our service in order to engage in view –in order to provide anything like the service that we want to, while not engaging in viewpoint discrimination, we’d basically have to eliminate certain areas of speech entirely. So we just couldn’t talk about suicide prevention anymore because we’re not going to talk about suicide promotion. I guess we couldn’t have pro-Semitic speech because we’re not going to have anti-Semitic speech. So we’d have to figure out some way to try to engage in even more content moderation or editorial discretion to try to get us to a level where we’re more benign and somehow we –we don’t run afoul of Texas’s law.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  339. I’m sure that the provisions are separable if some are unconstitutional. See Obamacare.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  340. The question I have regard banning commenters, not removing comments. I agree with Mr Clement here, but I find the claims by his side to be overbroad.

    The Florida law, for example, required that listed candidates for office have access to social media for their campaign messages. Within that it would be possible that some outrageous social media post might be pulled down (or even that some (prompt) moderation be in force) but the general access of that candidate remain.

    I believe that a law requiring notification that a comment was removed/blocked is neither onerous nor a violation of the site’s content selection rights. I think Twitter did that most of the time, but not all sites do, and shadowbanning is a pernicious fraud. Even if a service is free and at-will, pretending to offer it falsely is fraud.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  341. I’m sure that the provisions are separable if some are unconstitutional. See Obamacare.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 2/27/2024 @ 1:14 pm

    I don’t think the Florida and Texas statutes are as complex as Obamacare (they seem pretty straightforward), but we’ll see. The Court may just punt them back to the district courts.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  342. In the continuing adventures of Fani Willis, erring district attorney, another defense witness withers into dust:

    https://www.ajc.com/politics/ex-wade-law-partner-testifies-he-doesnt-know-when-relationship-with-fulton-da-began/BYQNHPMNZ5AKNCMOP64K7OJ35U/

    But the important question still remains — what’s more important — whether a woman can find love over 50 at the workplace? Or whether Donald Trump and his minions tried to steal the Georgia election.

    Appalled (168f11)

  343. @344

    Appalled (168f11) — 2/27/2024 @ 1:40 pm

    Bruh, you need to watch the Bradley video.

    He was terrible.

    The Judge knows, the defense knows and the prosecution team knows.

    Ms Merchant has a text string from Bradley where he stated Wade/Willis were having affair before Wade’s hiring.

    The Trump attorney, forgot his name, had a hella cross when he asked Bradley “Did you lie to Ms Merchant?”

    Bradley replied “I don’t recall if any of it was a lie or not”.

    O.o

    Yeah, the look on the Judge face was something else.

    So, lets distill this down, either:
    Bradley lied to Ms Merchant, who’s another officer of the court.

    …or

    Bradley lied in court.

    I don’t see any other way to interpret this.

    whembly (5f7596)

  344. I agree he is an awful witness, Whembly. He is one with no credibility at all. He was introduced to establish Wade and Willis were going at it before he was hired. He did not accomplish that because his story simply changed. You would argue he got pressure from somewhere to make him recant. I could argue that he wanted to get revenge on Wade, then got in over his head and has been floundering ever since. Both are good stories. You can’t prove either. And you can’t believe the witness.

    Advantage, team Willis. This witness, plus the ex-friend who is dazzlingly non-specific about when Wade and Willis met, don’t give the judge any reason to find there to be a problem.

    Appalled (faba4e)

  345. We do agree the guy is lying. Even if he can’t remember whether he lied or not.

    Appalled (faba4e)

  346. Appalled (faba4e) — 2/27/2024 @ 2:44 pm

    Advantage, team Willis. This witness, plus the ex-friend who is dazzlingly non-specific about when Wade and Willis met, don’t give the judge any reason to find there to be a problem.

    It is not in dispute that they met well before she hired him. The question is, when did things between them become personal?

    We’re left with: Did she really reimburse him? Was that for reasons other than ethics? (because if it would have been ethics, she would have wanted to document it, so goes the argument)

    Reasons other than ethics would be that she wanted to maintain her independence, and that her father told her always to carry cash on a date (and he himself avoided the banking system I understand because he was involved in the civil rights movement and was afraid his money might be frozen or taken away.)

    She is said to have been pacing around when she saw Wade’s testimony and wanted to testify herself, to the surprise of her lawyers – although she did not continue the next day

    And we have cell phone data, but they only prove he was in the general area of where she was, and at least theoretically, Wade could have had other reasons for being in the vicinity.

    whembly (5f7596) — 2/27/2024 @ 2:31 pm

    So, lets distill this down, either:

    Bradley lied to Ms Merchant, who’s another officer of the court.

    …or

    Bradley lied in court.

    I don’t see any other way to interpret this.

    He lied to Ms. Merchant. He wasn’t under oath. It would be more unlikely to be the other way.

    Now why was he trying to frame Wade and Willis? Do we have aplausible reason?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  347. As PP is powered by WordPress, this might be of interest.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  348. Appalled (168f11) — 2/27/2024 @ 1:40 pm

    what’s more important — whether a woman can find love over 50 at the workplace? Or whether Donald Trump and his minions tried to steal the Georgia election.

    The case is more important, and what this would pertain to would be mostly the extra work, as she had political reasons for pursuing this in the first place. Now 2 grand juries, and numerous defendents that could in question.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  349. Hey Dustin!

    My view is that the border bill Biden would sign is the best bill in decades and would solve the crisis almost immediately, but the GOP will not pass it because Trump wants the problem to remain unsolved.

    Anyone who really cares about the border and is not blinded by partisan goggles should be working overtime to defeat Trump, who thrills to see any bad news at the border because he cares only about himself.

    Patterico (b9e870) — 2/25/2024 @ 9:09 pm

    Hey man!

    Biden’s problem here is that there are great laws on the books, so this is a bit like gun control reducing the murder rate when the murderer obviously doesn’t care about his conduct being against a law. Biden has no credibility to follow a law like this. The border is a disaster by choice.

    Trump’s problem here is that he had both houses of congress and instead of getting anything done on this issue, he wanted us to be sure his inauguration was the biggest, and other crap like that. It’s clear, at least, that we agree Trump wanted to keep a crisis where he had an advantage.

    I don’t really like the bill. I really can’t speak more about it, but it’s disturbing that the millions of illegal aliens permitted in are such a useful political chip, and intentionally so.

    As far as reasons to support or oppose Trump or Biden, horrific spending, family drama, and immigration hit my ears as strictly partisan whatabouts. If the GOP was concerned about these issues, they would have unified around the option they rejected.

    The real reason to oppose Trump, for me, is simply that he’s a threat to peaceful transfers of power.

    Dustin (53739e)

  350. Ouch!

    ……….
    Speaking on Australian ABC’s “Q+A” show, (former Australian PM Malcom) Turnbull spoke about Trump’s interactions with Putin, saying they show the former president in “awe” of Putin.

    “When you see Trump with Putin, as I have on a few occasions, he’s like the 12-year-old boy who goes to high school and meets the captain of the football team. ‘My hero,’” Turnbull said Monday. “It’s really creepy.”
    ……….
    Turnbull also warned that Trump winning reelection in November could pose a threat to national security. He said the former president — who is the front-runner in the GOP primary — is leading a party “no longer committed to democracy.”

    “The scary thing is that for countries like Australia and many European countries, we may find ourselves not dealing just with two autocracies in Russia and China, but what is Trump’s America going to look like?” Turnbull said. “This is a guy leading a party that is no longer committed to democracy as we understand it.”
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  351. The Texas and Florida statutes are targeted at social media platforms (X, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), not websites such as newspapers, EBay, or Amazon, all of which allow user comments or product reviews. […]

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/27/2024 @ 12:06 pm

    I haven’t read the statutes recently enough to recall their breadth. Ilya Somin agrees with you re: Texas, but says the Florida law may be broad enough to cover sites beyond social media.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  352. I may have been a bit harsh with lloyd, but I’ve seen this same talking point from far too many right-wingers, so I’ll just say that the claim that Zelenskyy is canceling elections is…
    easily (parliament has to approve martial law)
    provably (their constitution says that elections cannot be held while under martial law)
    false (there’s a whole raft of disinformation on Ukraine, much of it Putin-fed).

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  353. lurker (cd7cd4) — 2/27/2024 @ 5:28 pm

    I was trying to keep the argument simple without getting too deep into the weeds.

    Rip Murdock (abc23c)

  354. Pekka has an informative Vatnik Soup entry on MAGA Mike.

    Johnson is an extremely religious person, and one of his main missions is to end the separation of church and state. He’s cited pseudo-historian and Christian nationalist David Barton as “profoundly influential in his faith and thinking.”
    2/21

    Mike is also a young-earth creationist, believing that the Earth is 6000 years old. He helped the Creation Museum secure millions in tax subsidies to build a theme park where dinosaurs accompanied Noah in his ark. He’s also connected evolution to mass shootings.
    6/21

    In 2010, he was named the “founding Dean” of the Pressler School of Law in Lousiana. Supposed to become a “bastion of ardent theological and political conservatism,” the school never opened despite millions in funding, and Johnson eventually resigned from his position.
    7/21

    And of course there’s the climate issues – a committee which Johnson led stated that living near wind turbines could cause “depression and cognitive dysfunction”, and that as humans it is our duty to “take dominion of the Earth” and “eat those animals.”
    8/21

    Before becoming one of his biggest fans, Johnson criticized Trump: in 2015, he wrote that “Donald Trump … lacks the character and the moral center we desperately need again in the White House,” and that “he is a hot head by nature.”
    10/21

    But after Trump became the President, Johnson, like so many others, was politically cvckolded by Trump. He later served in Trump’s legal defense team during both of his impeachment trials. Today as the speaker, he’s basically doing what Trump tells him to do.
    11/21

    He was also one of the most vocal supporters of Trump after the 2020 US presidential election. In Nov 2020, he said that “the allegations about these voting machines, some of them being rigged with this software by Dominion, there’s a lot of merit to that.”
    12/21

    Johnson’s promised to release 44 000 hours of security footage from the Jan 6 Capitol attack. As of Dec 2023, a total of 162 hours or 0,4% of the total have been published. Maybe the Trump supporters couldn’t find what they were looking for and abandoned the project.
    13/21

    According to Republicans for Ukraine, Johnson has been extremely unsupportive of Ukraine – he voted in favor of only once for Lend-Lease Act of 2022. After that, he’s voted against every additional assistance for the war-ridden country.
    14/21

    In one of the most cynical speeches ever, Mike stated in Oct 2023 that “We can’t allow Vladimir Putin to prevail in Ukraine because I don’t believe it would stop there,” continuing that “We’re not going to abandon them [Ukraine].”
    15/21

    Yet he is one of the biggest reasons why the Ukraine aid isn’t moving forward – In Jan 2024, he opposed a bipartisan, Senate GOP-sponsored package including both border security and aid for Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel.
    16/21

    After the Senate passed a bill on Ukraine aid in Feb 2024, Johnson said that he has no intention even of allowing a vote to happen on the bill. He also told his fellow Republicans that there is “no rush” to decide on the bill.
    17/21

    It is quite evident that Johnson is doing all this to campaign for Donald Trump, who’ll probably be opposing Joe Biden in the 2024 US presidential election. But there’s also another, much more sinister theory: that Mike Johnson gets support from Russia.
    18/21

    In 2018, a group of Russian nationals donated 37 000 USD to Moscow Mike in campaign contributions through a company called American Ethane. The company was controlled almost entirely by three Russian oligarchs, and they were fined a sum of measly 9500 USD for the incident.
    19/21

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  355. The real reason to oppose Trump, for me, is simply that he’s a threat to peaceful transfers of power.

    And I really hope that the Supreme Court, which has the ability to do something here, remembers that. It’s likely that this, too, will be another failure, but the point of the 14.3 was to prevent insurrectionists from having another go.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  356. I haven’t read the statutes recently enough to recall their breadth. Ilya Somin agrees with you re: Texas, but says the Florida law may be broad enough to cover sites beyond social media.

    The two are quite different. The Florida law is more about protecting individual access and the Texas law is about rejecting editorial control. But “newspapers” today have quite a few “social media” aspects, so there is some commonality anyway.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  357. one of his main missions is to end the separation of church and state

    What does that mean? He wants to establish some Christian sect as the state religion? Or he wants government to respect religious belief, even when it creeps into politics.

    Mike is also a young-earth creationist, believing that the Earth is 6000 years old.

    So, he’s stupid, innumerate and ignorant all at the same time. My party!

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  358. Mike Johnson can believe the dinosaurs were with Noah all he wants.

    Failing to support Ukraine is the bigger problem.

    norcal (537d63)

  359. Michigan primary debbie wasserman schultz has melt down on msDNC over uncommitted michigan vote. This is why more then half the party loathes her! Uncommitted, williamson and phillips will end up with more votes then biden beat trump by in 2020.

    asset (eef772)

  360. Failing to support Ukraine is the bigger problem.

    But related.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  361. Amazing how comfortable some are on here to attack Christians over and over again, but are silent on the harm leftists are doing to society.

    Very telling as well.

    It’s easy to cite leftist sites to bash Conservatives. Any “true Conservative” would do so.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  362. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/berkeleys-free-speech-movement-1964-2024-rip.php

    The people who were forced to flee apparently forfeited their right to security after committing the unpardonable sin of coming to hear an Israeli speak on campus. The university, which has touted its commitment to free speech while actually condoning a climate of antisemitic intimidation, did little to protect the safety of the speaker and audience — and even less to protect their free speech rights.

    Parading through the campus in a fashion worthy of the finest paramilitary, the pro-Palestinian rioters exulted in their victory.

    This latest episode at UC Berkeley caps months of harassment — and on occasion, violent outbursts— from wannabe Hamasniks. On Oct. 7, the day of the Hamas pogrom, Bears for Palestine released a statement praising its “comrades in blood and arms” for their operations “in the so-called ‘Gaza envelope.’” The same organization then mounted demonstrations at which participants clamored to “globalize the intifada” and “free Palestine from the river to the sea.”

    The reporting that gets ignored because it’s about the indoctrination and violence taking place in our leftist enclaves, but spreading to the rest of society.

    Much easier to insult Christians.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  363. NJ Rob:

    Amazing how comfortable some are on here to attack Christians over and over again, but are silent on the harm leftists are doing to society.

    Please define “attack Christians”.

    Appalled (1aac98)

  364. Read the BS that Paul linked to. The guy attacked Speaker Johnson for having mainline Christian views on homosexual unions (filing a brief in Lawrence v Texas), practicing his faith, opposing pornography, that God created man, and so on.

    It’s Christianity 101.

    NJRob (dda0ce)

  365. I have no problem attacking Young Earth Creationists as ignorant innumerate yokels. That is not the same as attacking Christians, any more than attacking wife-beaters is the same as attacking baseball players.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  366. I wonder if it’s Christian to impede Ukrainians from defending themselves. Is it Christian to support and enable Trump as he lies, cheats in business, abuses women, cavorts with porn stars, and maligns his opponents? Rejecting Trump seems like Christianity 101….yet here we are.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  367. Rob, Which of those claims about Speaker Johnson’s are false or defamatory? Seems like they’re attacking him over his position on Ukraine while listing other positions he holds. Also, I don’t think YE creationism is a mainstream Christian position. YMMV

    Time123 (92a6e2)

  368. Rejecting Trump seems like Christianity 101….yet here we are.

    Teddy Kennedy was supported by almost all women’s rights groups.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  369. Also, I don’t think YE creationism is a mainstream Christian position

    I’m not sure that Creationism of any sort is central to modern Christianity. It is, after all, a literal reading of Hebrew scripture not the teachings of Christ.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  370. Hey Dustin, I share your feelings that the GOP isn’t really a place for me anymore, although I may be coming at it from the other side. I value economic conservatism, strong national defense, and limited government. Doesn’t seem like that’s part of the mainstream thought anymore in the GOP.

    I think you’re being a little hard on people who liked Haley over Desantis. Desantis dropped out very very quickly and many (myself included) didn’t get a chance vote in a primary before he left. He was far from my first choice because of his big government actions in Florida but I could have supported him in the primary if he was the logical alternative to Trump. I never got that chance because he didn’t make it out of Iowa.

    Like it or not Trump is what most GOP primary voters want, regardless of his many many flaws.

    Time123 (92a6e2)

  371. I no longer believe that people in the GOP who talk about supporting Christianity are talking about Christ’s teachings. I think it’s pretty clear that they’re taking about Christianity as just another identity group. It’s sad really. I think the world would be better if Christ’s teachings had more influence on policy and living in accordance with his teachings were more valued by the electorate in selecting leaders. But here we are.

    Time123 (92a6e2)

  372. Kind of like I no longer believe the feminists that supported Bill Clinton, and it’s somewhat refreshing to see how little respect he has among younger feminists.

    Time123 (92a6e2)

  373. @370. Let’s get real. Speaker Johnson’s crime in the eyes of Paul’s left wing Finnish critic isn’t anything that’s listed, but that Johnson puts America’s territorial integrity above Ukraine’s.

    lloyd (e74b06)

  374. Mitch McConnell to step down as Senate Republican Leader in November.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  375. lloyd (e74b06) — 2/28/2024 @ 9:43 am

    Johnson puts America’s territorial integrity above Ukraine’s.

    There’s no cnaatural connection between the things, and they are not in competition unless he wants it to be, and the danger in Ukraine is something more than territorial integrity and the U,S., is not insisting on Ukraine’s territorial integrity or else it would not have tolerated what happened in 2014 as- it did.

    They’re just looking for an excuse not to help Ukraine

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  376. Mitch McConnell to step down as Senate Republican Leader in November.

    Unsurprising. I’d guess it’s his last term, too.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  377. Johnson puts America’s territorial integrity above Ukraine’s.

    Or perhaps he puts Putin’s agenda above Biden’s.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  378. Shining city on the hill hardest hit.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  379. Let’s get a comment from Laken Riley.

    lloyd (e74b06)

  380. Next in line: Mike Crapo…because his name says it all

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  381. Marriane williamson back in race as uncommitted, williamson and phillips gets as many votes as biden won michigan by in 2020.

    asset (fb8f55)

  382. RIP comedian Richard Lewis (76).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  383. They generally don’t report immigration status when the victim is here illegally, but from what I read of their life, two widely covered murder victims in New York City (killed almost certainly by American citizens) were illegal aliens (one was planning to leave the country in a year or two, and the other had been here a long time and never left even for his parent’s funerals.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/02/14/bystander-obed-beltran-sanchez-bronx-subway-shooting-mexican-immigrant/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/nyregion/bronx-subway-station-shooting.html

    Obed Beltran-Sanchez, 35, a Mexican laborer who lived in the Bronx, was killed in the shooting. Five other people, whose ages ranged from 14 to 71, were injured, the police said.

    The shooting took place during the afternoon rush hour on Monday at the Mount Eden Avenue subway station in the Bronx. It occurred after a fight broke out between two groups of teenagers on a northbound No. 4 train at 4:30 p.m.

    What’s your reaction to this?

    A. Serves him right for being present illegally in the United States, and the teenager should get consideration for more lenient treatment since the person he killed was illegal.

    B. We need more foreign crime victims. Aliens can take the place of American victims, and victims are needed to put the criminals away. An American might have been the first person those juveniles killed.

    C. It doesn’t matter who the victim was. The principle of equal justice should apply.

    I don;t have aquick link foir the second case but here’s another case where immigration law affects things:

    https://gothamist.com/news/parents-of-girl-killed-in-bushwick-hit-and-run-skipped-funeral-due-to-deportation-fears

    The hit and run driver was probably an American citizen

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  384. Marriane williamson back in race as uncommitted……

    asset (fb8f55) — 2/28/2024 @ 1:24 pm

    Marianne Williamson should be committed, she’s a nut. I wonder if she will get anyone to work for her, she went through three campaign managers before she suspended her 2024 campaign.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  385. I see it is acceptable to be bigoted towards Christians. It’s more and more telling each day.

    NJRob (dda0ce)

  386. Amazing how comfortable some are on here to attack Christians over and over again, but are silent on the harm leftists are doing to society.

    I’m not attacking MAGA Mike for his Christianity (although his interpretation is oddball in some respects), I’m criticizing him for being a Trump lapdog, for putting the ex-president above his country, for stonewalling legislation that moves the ball forward on border security and helping our allies.

    Paul Montagu (907d4d)

  387. @370. Let’s get real. Speaker Johnson’s crime in the eyes of Paul’s left wing Finnish critic isn’t anything that’s listed, but that Johnson puts America’s territorial integrity above Ukraine’s.

    False. I’m taking him to task for being a Trump toady who takes orders from Trump, even when those orders prioritize Trump’s self-interest above our country’s.

    Paul Montagu (907d4d)

  388. The irony here is that right-wing Trumpists wrongly believe that Putin is a Christian leader of a Christian country. Or that Trump is a Christian. False on all counts.

    A Christian doesn’t murder tens of thousands of civilians (especially when he has precision munitions) and he doesn’t abduct tens of thousands of children for reprogramming.
    A Christian doesn’t lie so often and with such practiced ease, to name one small example.

    Paul Montagu (907d4d)

  389. I definitely want this story fact-checked, but, if true, it is, indeed, a problem:

    The money that Nikolaev and the other two Russian nationals managed to donate to Johnson’s 2018 campaign was also brought up after the Republican was elected House Speaker last October,

    “Putin pal Konstantin Nikolaev, who handled Russian spy Maria Butina, was also the principal stockholder in American Ethane Co. when they donated over $37,000 to Mike Johnson’s election campaign. Does anyone else think that might be a problem?” posted X user @Davegreenidge57.

    Jim Miller (534f50)

  390. I value economic conservatism, strong national defense, and limited government. Doesn’t seem like that’s part of the mainstream thought anymore in the GOP.

    Bridges have to exist between the Republicans who reject those things (Haley supporters largely) and the populists who like Trump.

    That is the only path to the GOP getting back in shape. Desantis was the obvious option, and those who act like Trump is a cancer who also sneered at Desantis do not have any credibility.

    I think you’re being a little hard on people who liked Haley over Desantis.

    Nah

    Dustin (c1324d)

  391. Marianne williamson’s suspended campaign got more votes in michigan then dean phillips who is still in the race. The voters want her to keep running and I will be voting for her in the primary. Biden got over a hundred thousand democrats to vote un-committed in michigan last night.

    asset (7cbff8)

  392. Desantis was the obvious option, and those who act like Trump is a cancer who also sneered at Desantis do not have any credibility.

    It’s like Shane, where Alan Ladd first beats Ben Johnson (and he becomes his friend) and then guns down Jack Palance. But does Trump envision a cast of millions calling “Trump! Come back, Trump! We love you, Trump!” as he rides away in the dark?

    nk (622f63)

  393. Pekka also has a good summation of Trump and, like with MAGA Mike, he has the links.

    In today’s #vatniksoup, I’ll introduce an American politician, media personality and businessman, Donald Trump. He’s best-known for serving as the 45th president of the US, and for promoting pro-Kremlin viewpoints regarding Putin and the Russo-Ukrainian war.
    1/23

    After becoming the president of his father’s real estate ventures in early 70s, he started expanding its operations aggressively by building hotels, casinos and whatnot. Trump’s businesses have been involved in over 4,000 legal actions, and he’s filed for bankruptcy six times.
    2/23

    While studying in college during the Vietnam War era, Trump deferred the draft four times. After his graduation, he was diagnosed with bone spurs, thus avoiding going to the war. This diagnosis allegedly made by a podiatrist, Dr. Larry Braunstein, who rented his office from Donald’s father, Fred Trump. Dr. Braunstein’s daughters later said that they “know it [the diagnosis] was a favor” to Donald’s father.
    4/23

    Yuri Shvets, a former Soviet intelligence officer who worked as a Major in the KGB from 1980 to 1990, and as a resident spy in DC between 1985 and 1987, has stated that Trump “was cultivated as a Russian asset over 40 years & proved so willing to parrot anti-western propaganda that there were celebrations in Moscow.” According to Shvets, KGB considered Trump as “extremely vulnerable intellectually, and psychologically,” and also vulnerable to flattery. Based on Journalist Craig Unger’s book “American Kompromat”, Trump first appeared on the KGB’s radar in 1977 when he married Ivana Zelnickova.
    6/23

    When Trump visited Moscow and St. Petersburg, he was flattered by the KGB operatives, also floating the idea that Trump should get into politics. Soon after returning from this trip, Trump started looking into possible presidential run in the Republican party and ran a full-page ad on NYT criticizing US foreign policy.
    7/23

    Trump has had a lot of business interests in Russia. He had undertaken a project to build a Trump skyscraper in Moscow. This idea came to be during his visit to Moscow in 1987, and was later pushed by Felix Sater, a Russian-born businessman with mob connections.
    8/23

    In 2008 he sold a Palm Beach mansion to Russian oligarch, Dmitry Rybolovlev for 95 million USD, while four years prior he only paid 41 million USD for the estate. Even though the Mueller report didn’t conclude conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians, an initiative called Moscow Project found 272 known contacts and 38 known meetings between the Trump team and Russia-linked operatives.
    10/23

    And there’s no doubt about Russian influence in the US 2016 presidential election. Days before Trump became president in 2017, the Obama administration released an Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) which assessed that “Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.” Trump ignored these reports, and in 2017, he said that he had spoken with Putin about forming a cyber unit with Russia to fight “election hacking”.
    12/23

    So how did Donald help Russia and Putin? First of all, he “watered down” the toughest penalties the U.S. had imposed on Russian entities after Putin annexed Crimea in 2014. He even questioned the sanctions altogether, stating that “why would anybody have sanctions if somebody’s doing some really great things?” He also supported Russia’s return to the G7 and eased sanctions on Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.
    14/23

    In 2017, Trump revealed highly classified information to foreign minister Sergei Lavrov and to the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. US media was not allowed in this meeting, but there was a Russian photographer present.
    15/23

    On many occasions, Trump has praised Putin, calling him a “genius” and “savvy” after Putin invaded Ukraine. He’s said that Putin has done “a really great job outsmarting our country.”
    16/23

    In 2019, he temporarily froze US aid worth 391 million USD for Ukraine. The Trump administration had previously stalled sales of Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine in fear of angering Russia and Putin.
    16/23

    Trump also hired Paul Manafort, who had spent a good decade promoting pro-Russian politics in Ukraine, to run his 2016 presidential campaign. He was later sentenced to over 7 years in prison. One of his crimes was evading taxes on the 60 million USD he made in Ukraine.
    17/23

    Before leaving his presidency, Trump pardoned five people who were convicted as a result of investigations on the Russian interference in the 2016 US elections, including Michael Flynn, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. He also pardoned GOP strategist Jesse Benton, who was sentenced again in Feb 2023, for funneling Russian money into the Trump campaign.
    19/23

    Trump’s style of politics is almost wholly based on lies. Actually, after becoming the President, Trump’s lying became so common that the Washington Post started tracking the factuality of his statements with their fact-checking department: by Jan 2021, Trump had lied over 30 000 times during his term as the President. You can read my previous thread on this type of “post-truth politics” here.
    20/23

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  394. It’s so obvious.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  395. @396, It’s post hoc, but why was anyone willing to take the chance with this Russian influence? Are we dumb, deluded, or desperate….or all of the above?

    AJ_Liberty (64e089)

  396. Someone on the radio claimed that New York State Attorney General Leticia James is the beneficiary of straw donors in 2023 (plus using campaign money to live like royalty – fine dining, hotels, travel.)

    The straw donors a guest and someone who works with her found were foramounts like $50 – presumably nobody would check – real people but when contacted numerous people outside of New York State denied giving her money. I suppose the recipients of their donations could also be unclear to them.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  397. @Appalled:
    https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/02/29/bradley-texts-expose-fani-falsehoods-and-media-manipulation-n3783812

    Yeartie testified that the Willis-Wade affair started years before Willis hired Wade to prosecute Trump et al. That testimony demonstrated that both Willis and Wade had filed false claims before the court, and their later denials on the stand would be perjury. Bradley’s testimony was supposed to confirm that, but Bradley apparently decided to risk perjury himself rather than follow through on what he’d been telling Merchant for months.

    The text records and the cell phone records, however, back up Yeartie’s testimony and directly contradict denials from Wade and Willis. They are bombshells to their credibility and put Judge Scott McAfee in a tough position for the disqualification motion if he’s inclined to rule against the defense. Bradley’s deceptive-to-the-point-of-desperation performance on the stand this week can’t make that any easier, either. It has become obvious that everyone connected to the DA’s office has been deliberately deceptive, and regardless of whether the RICO case is valid, it would be a miscarriage of justice to allow it to go forward with the Fulton County DA’s office connected to it.

    I don’t see how this judge is going to avoid disqualifying Fani/Wade and the Fulton Co. department.

    whembly (5f7596)

  398. #400 —

    Yearties was a lousy witness — doing the same sort of thing Bradley did. Apparently, Merchant was told Willis and Wade actually lived together for a month by Yeartie’s attorney. On the stand — she lapsed into I don’t know mode.She did say she had seen Wade and Willis a hugging and a kissing. When? Well, in 2019 and 2020 maybe. An exact date? Well no. An exact location? Nope — she does not remember. HotAir is living up to its name.

    All of this poor memory means there is no actual testimony that makes all this cellphone fuss worth admitting into evidence. (And it hasn’t been yet).

    Final arguments are tomorrow.

    Appalled (88a1a3)

  399. Biden may manage to lose both parts of the Arab vote and the Jewish vote because of Gaza

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  400. It’s so obvious.

    Yes, it is. It perhaps explains why Trump cannot bring himself to condemn Putin, and why he seems so eager to get out of NATO, and is perhaps why he’s stonewalling military aid to Ukraine. Trump’s pledge to “end the war in 24 hours” has to mean that Trump will strong-arm Zelenskyy into a surrender.

    I’ll say it again: Biden should lose and deserves to lose, but Trump must lose.

    Paul Montagu (383f45)

  401. But does Trump envision a cast of millions calling “Trump! Come back, Trump! We love you, Trump!” as he rides away in the dark?

    nk (622f63) — 2/28/2024 @ 6:56 pm

    Pretty sure he does, in the form of super grifty donation requests, maybe some merch sales, and of course, he’s going to run in 2028 (or run his son).

    The only solution is a bridge between these two awkward components of the Republican party.

    Dustin (c1324d)

  402. Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

    A third-party run for Nikki Haley with No Labels could face legal limits

    Or not.

    Former White House press secretary for President George W. Bush Ari Fleischer was among those who thought Haley was a good fit for No Labels, given her appeal to independents and Democrats who are voting for her in an anti-Trump move.

    Yet Haley’s campaign rebuffed overtures from No Labels in a statement to the Washington Examiner.

    “Nikki has no interest in No Labels. She’s perfectly happy with the Republican label,” said Olivia Perez-Cubas, a Haley spokeswoman.

    Haley’s path forward could also be blocked by “sore loser laws” that prohibit candidates from appearing on general election ballots on a different party than the one they originally ran for president with during the primary. Most states, 47, have some form of the law enacted.

    South Carolina, for example, is a state that would block Haley from the ballot if she ran as an independent or a non-Republican ticket after she lost the GOP primary. Other key states that will determine which candidate wins the November election, such as Michigan, Ohio, Georgia, and Pennsylvania, bar a candidate from switching political parties if they have previously lost a presidential primary on a different ticket.

    Some critics argue that “sore loser laws” do not apply to a presidential election, but the decision would ultimately have to come from the Supreme Court, which has little time to decide before November.

    “No Labels is looking at the constitutionality of various ‘sore loser laws’ across the country, and other upcoming court cases could also clarify the legality of these laws. No Labels will be watching these developments closely as we consider the path ahead,” No Labels chief strategist Ryan Clancy said in a statement to the Washington Examiner.

    No Labels is seeking access to the ballot in all 50 states and has access to 16 state ballots. But the group says it will unveil more of its plans to run a “unity” ticket after Super Tuesday.

    There is no indication that Haley would run on a No Labels ticket, but if the VP candidate was also a nominal Republican, maybe. From experience I’ll tell you that their ballot-access problems are mostly because they have no candidate. Haley would get the petitions moving.

    Would they go for it (she IS a Reagan-conservative)? Well, it would pretty much hurt Trump to triangulate him like this. The only danger is that it would throw the election into a GOP-controlled House (with funny voting rules), although Trump couldn’t come in third and win and the House is not going to be GOP-controlled if Trump doesn’t win anyway.

    I think it would be Haley’s choice, and her VP choice, too.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  403. I don’t see how this judge is going to avoid disqualifying Fani/Wade and the Fulton Co. department.

    Watch.

    Trump’s folks will of course appeal. His whole shtick has been clutter the courts up with motions, appeals and whatever else works to delay and burn money.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  404. The only solution is a bridge between these two awkward components of the Republican party.

    It’s only a solution if it burns.

    Kevin M (8676e4)

  405. It’s only a solution if it burns.

    Kevin M (8676e4) — 2/29/2024 @ 5:41 pm

    As I very correctly warned in 2012, nominating Romney was burning that bridge, and would break the party… and it’s truly broken now.

    By repeating the stupidity with Haley, who is actually worse than Romney, you guys sure stuck it to… yourselves.

    Dustin (c1324d)

  406. “I would not love you so much, dear, loved I not the fame and glory of indicting and convicting a former President more.”

    If the judge finds that Itchy Fanny Fani used the power of her office to catch herself a man, not only should she and her entire office be disqualified from the case, she and Wade should be referred for discipline. The chronology and duration of the relationship are just part of the res gestae that make up the totality of the circumstances. No single one of them determinative.

    And I really don’t see how the relationship starting after Wade’s appointment helps them. It looks to me like it was her way of catching his attention. Like sending him flowers and candy, and baking him a pie.

    nk (c3cfc9)

  407. Over 100 palestinian killed in food line waiting for food. Israel says they killed themselves.(cnn) The largest union in washington state has asked its member to join those democrats supporting a ceasefire in gaza and vote uncommitted in wa. state primary. (DU)

    asset (6f9ce1)

  408. “By repeating the stupidity with Haley, who is actually worse than Romney, you guys sure stuck it to… yourselves.”

    Like Haley, DeSantis had a ceiling of 40%, though probably less. Iowa was his place to show his strength against Trump and he withered. You’re probably too close at this point to acknowledge it, but his campaign organization was a sh*t sh*w. They burned money, burned through campaign people, ran a strategy that never broke through the Trump wall while antagonizing NeverTrump skeptics, and hemorrhaged donors. This was not exactly a tight ship to jump onto.

    Most Americans believe we should aid Ukraine. DeSantis framed it as a territorial dispute. Most people believe Covid vaccinations both saved lives and lessened the severity of symptoms. DeSantis is a skeptic. DeSantis believes that government should punish companies that don’t act like he wants them to act (Disney, Budweiser, Air BnB, etc). Most conservatives recoil at this.

    Dustin, you seem mad that conservatives are conservative. On most other questions there is little sunlight between Haley and DeSantis. He is more acrimonious; she is more Reagan-optimistic. He is a culture warrior that just couldn’t win over the MAGA voters…for whatever reason….though I suspect it was because he wasn’t as entertaining as Trump.

    The GOP does not want normal….whether that normal is right-wing authoritarian or a more moderate squish. They want Trump because he’s abnormal…because he distorts, maligns, and crushes norms. They hunger for destruction and DeSantis is just too destruction-lite. Haley is just not entertaining enough. The GOP is a bunch of 6yr olds who can’t stop touching the hot stove. Sadly this will have to play out to some awful conclusion….

    AJ_Liberty (b74646)

  409. “As I very correctly warned in 2012, nominating Romney was burning that bridge, and would break the party… and it’s truly broken now.”

    So Rick Santorum was the answer to a fairly popular incumbent?! Give me a break.

    What broke the GOP is that we no longer demand statesmen or leaders. We want performance artists that appeal to our most nativist instincts. We want to act like there isn’t a narrowly divided electorate and that we can simply muscle through our agenda. Hence, we get 60-odd performance votes to repeal Obamacare and then, when we “win” in 2016, have no idea what to counter-propose. That’s a party in turmoil.

    The ugly truth that rabid partisans and hardened ideologues refuse to acknowledge is that our government is based on a structure that requires compromise. Most policy victories are based on incremental change. Obamacare happened only because the DEMs secured a brief filibuster-proof Senate majority. But since they failed to compromise substantively, that over-reach cost them Congress and cost them a steady erosion of the financing of Obamacare. The GOP’s reaction to Obama….and the flourishment of right-wing bubbles….gave us a reactionary outsider candidate that talked just like the most extreme talk radio luminary. It’s more important to own the libs and stoke resentment than anything else.

    Romney is a good man, a smart man, and a sober man. The right-wing ecosystem doesn’t want that. They want a bad man that will break the rules to get what they want. The GOP majority is completely transactional…and will imagine whatever conspiracy or lie required to justify it. Romney tried twice to get rid of the bad man, but the GOP is almost thoroughly compromised…with good people self-ejecting daily. The only solution is that it must lose sufficiently hard until the current batch of influencers lose enough money and influence to want a different path. Having been confounded by MAGA for 8+ years, I offer no guess at a timeline. An addict has to hit bottom to compel change. Not sure we’re there yet….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  410. Hunter’s deposition yesterday finally admitted that his father was “The Big Guy™”.

    Expect the screeching sounds of goal posts being moved.

    whembly (5f7596)

  411. #413

    And the bridery accusation that launched the biden impeachment drive was Russian disinformation.

    I am used to the noise of screeching goalposts in motion.

    Appalled (88a1a3)

  412. @414 Remember when the Steele Dossier was revealed to be Russian disinformation, was used to back up a FISA warrant, and Russia Collusion suddenly goalposts came down? I don’t.

    lloyd (5d25c7)

  413. @414

    #413

    And the bridery accusation that launched the biden impeachment drive was Russian disinformation.

    I am used to the noise of screeching goalposts in motion.

    Appalled (88a1a3) — 3/1/2024 @ 7:41 am

    Can’t hear you over the moving goal post. There are a deluge of other evidence piling up that you’re handwaving away.

    Just to give you a little insight. Your obstinance from acknowledging potential bribery/self-dealings by the Bidens renders any critique you may have of Trump impotent.

    So…please hydrate…its a lot of work to tug them goal posts. 😉

    whembly (5f7596)

  414. We’ve known that Joe Biden was the big guy for a long time (the laptop and Tony Bobolinsky) but the question is:

    Was Hunter lying to his clients about how involved his father was and/or what he could do for them?

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  415. Kevin M (8676e4) — 2/29/2024 @ 5:35 pm

    The only danger is that it would throw the election into a GOP-controlled House (with funny voting rules),

    Which means that more than a majority is necessary to elect anyone. Also the House will most likely not be Republican, but the Senate will be.

    I think it would be Haley’s choice, and her VP choice, too.

    The VP is picked by the Senate in that eventuality, among only the top two choices.

    McConnell may actually cease to be Leader only with the new Congress. I don’t know that we have it clear. Of course there may be no difference if the Senate is not in session after the election,

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  416. 396.

    Trump’s style of politics is almost wholly based on lies.

    That nobody is willing to challenge. But his opponents are not willing either to endorse except maybe Biden to some degree.

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  417. So Rick Santorum was the answer to a fairly popular incumbent?! Give me a break.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/gSev9HJ3q4BIsOGlZWONzq-VJN8=/1500×0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/low-angle-view-scarecrow-against-cloudy-sky-562838541-5aaf18adfa6bcc00360a609c.jpg

    Dustin (c46757)


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