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1/12/2024

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:09 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

More drama in the Red Sea as U.S. and British militaries respond to attacks by the Houthis:

The U.S. and British militaries bombed more than a dozen sites used by the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen on Thursday, in a massive retaliatory strike using warship- and submarine-launched Tomahawk missiles and fighter jets, U.S. officials said. The military targets included logistical hubs, air defense systems and weapons storage and launching locations, they said.

. . .

“These strikes are in direct response to unprecedented Houthi attacks against international maritime vessels in the Red Sea — including the use of anti-ship ballistic missiles for the first time in history,” Biden said in a statement. He noted the attacks endangered U.S. personnel, civilian mariners and jeopardized trade, and he added, “I will not hesitate to direct further measures to protect our people and the free flow of international commerce as necessary.”

There has been commentary about the seeming delay in our response to the attacks. Consider:

President Biden is receiving pushback from Democrats about the action. For example, this from Rep. Ro Khanna:

The President needs to come to Congress before launching a strike against the Houthis in Yemen and involving us in another middle east conflict. That is Article I of the Constitution. I will stand up for that regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House.

Three points in response. . .

Second news item

An outrage that she was arrested in the first place:

An Ohio woman who faced a felony charge after she miscarried at home will not be charged, a grand jury decided Thursday.

Brittany Watts, 34, had been charged with abuse of a corpse after she miscarried into a toilet on Sept. 22 at her home in Warren, 60 miles south of Cleveland.

The young woman did precisely what millions of women do when they miscarry at home. There is nothing abusive about it. And given the trauma of experiencing a miscarriage and the intensity of emotions when the miscarriage is happening in one’s home, flushing the remains is the typical response. But let’s see how the application of Ohio’s law lead to the decision to arrest Ms. Watts:

Watts, who is Black, was charged under a section of Ohio law that penalizes treatment of a human corpse in a “way that the person knows would outrage reasonable family sensibilities” or “community sensibilities.”

The charge is a fifth-degree felony, and, had she been convicted, Watts would have faced up to a year in prison and a $2,500 fine.

I suspect that anyone whose sensibilities might have been offended by Ms. Watts’ actions has not experienced the awfulness of such a personal and jarring event, nor the difficult aftermath.

Third news item

The border crisis isn’t skipping a beat. Border states like Texas and Arizona, taking the biggest hits of uncontrolled immigration at the Southern border, are sending undocumented migrants to New York City, (the state that has received the most), Chicago, Washington D.C., Philadelphia and Denver. Those cities, overwhelmed by the sudden influx, are struggling with the increased number of migrants.

Because of a massive winter storm, New York City officials made a decision to move 500 migrant families from their shelter tents at an airfield to a public high school auditorium. As a result, parents were notified that classes were being canceled the next day and remote learning would take place:

About 2,000 people were evacuated on Tuesday evening from their tent shelter at a remote former airplane runway in Brooklyn to James Madison High School. Families with children piled onto the floor and into auditorium seats to sleep. By 2 a.m., several families said they were asked to prepare to return to the tents.

The evacuation led officials to call a remote day of classes for the more than 3,400 students enrolled at the high school, sparking immediate backlash from politicians and parents that echoed on a national stage.

The report notes that the school was inundated with phone calls from angry parents. At the very end of the report, readers are informed that it wasn’t just Republicans that were upset about the decision:

In a letter to school leaders, the city’s principals’ union wrote that “while we recognize the safety concerns brought on by the storm,” schools “should never be used to temporarily house non-student populations.”

“We urged the city to consider more viable alternatives,” union officials said, adding that some migrant students from Floyd Bennett Field would be likely to need “additional support in the coming days as they navigate through this unsettling experience.”

Polling continues to show that immigration is bad news for President Biden, whom the governors hold responsible for the lack of control at the border:

[T]here’s immigration, a subject in which Biden is down by 40 points, with 30 percent of respondents approving of his handling of the issue compared to 70 percent who disapprove.

That’s a four-point swing in the wrong direction for Biden on this issue since CBS News and YouGov last asked about it in November, but more saliently a 12-point tumble for Biden’s overall immigration performance since their May poll (when 36 percent approved of the job Biden was doing at the border compared to 64 percent who disapproved), conducted days after the end of Title 42.

So why do I think that there isn’t a cohort of the electorate pining for higher immigration levels that Biden is failing to deliver? Because in a separate question, respondents were asked: “Do you approve or disapprove of the way Joe Biden is handling matters concerning the U.S.-Mexico border?”

The results were nearly identical, with 68 percent of those polled disapproving of the job that Biden is doing at the Southwest border, compared to 32 percent who approved.

Fourth news item

Word from Liz Cheney when she made an appearance on The View this week:

There are some conservatives who are trying to make this claim that somehow Biden is a bigger risk than Trump. My view is, I disagree with a lot of Joe Biden’s policies. We can survive bad policies. We can not survive torching the constitution. It’s not even the same level.

Fifth news item

Via JVW, this blistering rebuke at the singular standard by which the European community judges Israel is from 2014, yet remains applicable today:

Sixth news item

The Eternal Victim just couldn’t keep his yap shut in the courtroom. As expected, Trump went on a tear. Some of his reported comments:

“The facts are: The financial statements are perfect, there are no witnesses against us. The banks got all their money paid back. They were great loans.”

“The banks got all their money. They’re as happy as can be.”

“This was a political witch hunt. … We should receive damages.”

“We have a situation where I’m an innocent man, I’ve been persecuted by somebody running for office, and I think you have to go outside the bounds.”

“She hates Trump and uses Trump to get elected,” he said of James.

“What’s happened here, sir, is a fraud on me. They want to make sure that I don’t win again, and this is partially election interference.”

“I know this is boring to you.”

“You have your own agenda,” Trump sneered at Engoron, before the judge shut him down and at which point Trump turned and walked out of the courtroom.

Because Trump was allowed to rant and rave, he cannot whine to MAGAland that he was illegally silenced! in a courtroom by a corrupt judge! .

Seventh news item

South Africa accuses Israel of genocide at The Hague:

South Africa accused Israel on Thursday of carrying out genocide in Gaza and demanded that the U.N.’s top court order an emergency suspension of Israel’s devastating military campaign in the Palestinian enclave…”The intent to destroy Gaza has been nurtured at the highest level of state,” Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, advocate of the High Court of South Africa, told the court. He said Israel’s political and military leaders, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, were among “the genocidal inciters”.

“That is evident from the way in which this military attack is being conducted,” he said.

South Africa did not condemn Hamas, nor did they accuse the terror group of genocide, nor recognize the horrors of Oct. 7 and the hostages that have been been released, killed, or remain in captivity.

The U.S. responded to the accusation leveled by South Africa:

The White House declined to comment on how it might respond if the court determines Israel committed genocide. But National Security Council spokesman John Kirby called the allegations “unfounded.”

“That’s not a word that ought to be thrown around lightly, and we certainly don’t believe that it applies here,” Kirby said.

Not all South Africans are in agreement with the accusations:

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

479 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e902f)

  2. It saddens me to contemplate the gross dysfunction that South Africa has slipped into in the post-Mandela era as the ANC has become a bloated and corrupt vehicle for enriching the political elite. With any luck, this will be the year that South Africa finally gives them the boot.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  3. First news item : It’s bipartisan!:

    ………..
    (Rep. Marjorie Taylor R-GA) said the Yemen strikes could bring the U.S. closer to war with Iran, which backs the Houthis.

    “The President must come to Congress for permission before going to war,” she said on X, formerly Twitter. “Biden can not solely decide to bomb Yemen.”

    “Biden admin wants to fund war in Ukraine, control the war in Israel, arm Taiwan and prep for war with China, and is now going to war in the Middle East???” she continued. “This is insanely out of control!”
    ………….

    The only way Congress can enforce the War Powers Act is by denying funding for military operations or through impeachment. Both are highly unlikely.

    Rip Murdock (215bb7)

  4. I suspect that anyone whose sensibilities might have been offended by Ms. Watts’ actions has not experienced the awfulness of such a personal and jarring event, nor the difficult aftermath.

    In some states, she would be denied an emergency D&C afterwards as well.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  5. JVW (1ad43e) — 1/12/2024 @ 10:45 am

    South Africa began to fall apart long before that.

    Rip Murdock (af7d08)

  6. Fourth news item continued:

    It’s becoming increasingly clear that U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney was dishonest, manipulative, and destructive while serving on the Jan. 6 Committee.

    A lawsuit filed by my friend and long-time attorney Stefan Passantino on Dec. 20, 2023 lays it out.

    I know both participants well. I entered Congress in 1978 with Liz Cheney’s father, Dick Cheney. I watched Liz Cheney become a competent, effective implementor of American policy around the world. Few things have made me sadder than watching her drift into an anti-Trump fanaticism – which ultimately convinced her that breaking the rules, destroying innocent people, and pandering fake news were justified behaviors.

    Years later, I got to know Stefan Passantino. Since 1998, he has been legal counsel for me and for our companies. He is a thoughtful, scholarly, and deeply ethical attorney. Passantino represents his clients with integrity and a passionate commitment to protecting them and seeing justice done.

    I was proud of Passantino when he served as Deputy White House Counsel focusing on federal compliance and government ethics. We could not have imagined how he would later be smeared and lied about by Congresswoman Liz Cheney and the Jan. 6 Committee.

    Liz Cheney and the committee’s ongoing process of dishonesty, violating attorney-client privilege, and leaking to friendly leftwing media was a total perversion of the congressional system. It was a dishonest effort to destroy innocent people of integrity with one-sided lies and smears.

    BuDuh (e8d73a)

  7. More:

    Fortunately, Chairman Barry Loudermilk, who leads the House Administration Subcommittee on Oversight (on which I served for over a decade), has doggedly looked into the Jan. 6 Committee’s lies and manipulations. In the coming months, we will be shocked at the stunning dishonesty Chairman Loudermilk will reveal.

    Passantino represented several witnesses before the Jan. 6 Committee with no problems. He represented Cassidy Hutchinson with precisely the same integrity. In fact, he represented Hutchinson through multiple interviews covering about 20 hours.

    Hutchinson was a desirable witness for the Committee, because she entered the White House in her early 20s and became Special Assistant to the President and Coordinator for Legislative Affairs. She reported to Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and had an office in the West Wing just a few feet from the Oval Office.

    Liz Cheney apparently decided Hutchinson would make a star witness – if only she would say the right things.

    In an amazingly inappropriate and unethical move, Liz Cheney herself (along with a small number of senior staff) approached Hutchinson after her second committee interview without informing her Passantino. Liz Cheney then called Cassidy in for a third interview, with Passantino again serving as counsel, with neither Cassidy nor Cheney ever informing Passantino that they had been speaking without his knowledge. Contacting Hutchinson without informing Passantino was clearly unethical, and it appears as if Liz Cheney instructed Cassidy not to tell Passantino they had spoken. This was a profound breach of legal ethics. Liz Cheney knew this well. She earned her law degree from the University of Chicago.

    As a senior member of Congress (and the national media’s anointed hero), Liz Cheney approached and sought to manipulate an isolated, frightened woman in her mid-20s. Does that sound appropriate? I suspect Liz Cheney knew she was doing something wrong because she apparently did not tell her fellow committee members.

    BuDuh (e8d73a)

  8. “The President must come to Congress for permission before going to war,” she said on X, formerly Twitter. “Biden can not solely decide to bomb Yemen.”

    She is wrong on this, too.

    The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

    It’s also worth noting that Democrat Presidents have tended to ignore the resolution (e.g. Clinton in Kosovo and Obama in Libya), while Republican Presidents tend to follow it to a fault.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  9. And finally:

    After being manipulated by Cheney, Hutchinson dismissed Passantino and hired a new lawyer who was eager to cooperate with the committee. Suddenly, Hutchinson’s testimony started changing. As Chairman Loudermilk has said:

    “Cassidy Hutchinson tried to explain her dramatic changes in testimony by blaming her initial lawyer, Stefan Passantino. Our discovery of Cassidy’s errata sheet showing just how substantially her story changed, raises serious concerns about her credibility. Until now, her version of the story was the only one.”

    As John Solomon at Just the News reported:

    “As the Jan. 6 congressional investigation rushed to a close in 2022, one of the House Democrats’ star witnesses waived her attorney-client privilege with her first lawyer in a move that could now open the door for House Republicans to question both her and her attorney, correspondence obtained by Just the News shows. Former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony played a large role in shaping House Democrats’ final report sharply criticizing Donald Trump for the Capitol riot that ensued on Jan. 6, 2021, but Republicans on the House Administration’s Subcommittee on Oversight led by Chairman Barry Loudermilk recently discovered an errata sheet she submitted to Congress that made substantial changes to her account midway through the Democrat-led inquiry. Errata sheets are routinely provided to deponents and witnesses by stenographers to allow for correction of typographic errors and dropped words.”

    The Jan. 6 Committee did everything it could to avoid being reviewed. It has not released transcripts of many interviews. It claims to have destroyed some videos of interviews. In one deliberately opaque move, the committee seems to have sent some of its documents to various other agencies, making them difficult to gather.

    Further, the committee called in thousands of witnesses to interview. Yet, it never interviewed Passantino. This is the biggest clue that Liz Cheney and the committee were interested in promoting their narrative rather than finding the truth.

    The Republican House has since brought the Jan. 6 Committee materials back from the National Archives, and they are being studied by the Committee on House Administration. Some surprisingly bad examples of rule-breaking and simply lying to the American people are beginning to emerge.

    Passantino’s courage in bringing his lawsuit will accelerate the process of learning just how bad the Jan. 6 Committee was – and reveal the depth of its most aggressive members’ dishonesty and manipulation.

    History will not grant Liz Cheney or the Jan. 6 Committee members the profile in courage they wanted. It will record a profile in deception, distortion, and vengeance.

    I have no doubt Stefan Passantino will emerge from this lawsuit with his integrity intact and reputation restored. I can’t say the same for Liz Cheney.

    https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/01/11/liz_cheney_vs_stefan_passantino_the_jan_6_committee_fraud_1004191.html

    BuDuh (e8d73a)

  10. Because Trump was allowed to rant and rave, he cannot whine to MAGAland that he was illegally silenced! in a courtroom by a corrupt judge!

    And yet…

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  11. Marjorie Taylor Greene Threatens to Vacate Johnson If Ukraine Spending Approved
    …………
    “We don’t have to trade $60 billion for Ukraine for our own country’s border security,” Greene told reporters on Capitol Hill Friday. “That is a failing, losing strategy and I will never support it. I’ll fight it as much as possible. Even if I have to go so far to vacate the chair and there’s others that agree with me.”
    ………….
    The Georgia Republican previously bashed notions to vacate the speaker, calling it “the dumbest thing that could happen,” and criticizing the similar move from Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., that led to a battle on the House floor for a GOP leader after former Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., was ousted.
    …………
    Greene (said on Wednesday): “I’m kind of sick of the chaos. I came here to be serious about solving problems, not to produce clickbait.”
    …………
    However, with Johnson holding strong in moving forward with the deal he struck with Democrats last week, Greene seems to be changing her tune……….
    ……….

    “I came here to be serious about solving problems, not to produce clickbait.”

    LOL!

    Rip Murdock (af7d08)

  12. My problem with Liz Cheney was her pushing a revision of the Electoral Count Act which would have allowed a majority of the House of Representatives to toss out electoral votes for any candidate (or by any elector) that they deemed subject to the 3rd clause of the 14th Amendment. This in defense of the integrity of the Electoral College.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  13. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/12/2024 @ 11:07 am

    As I noted above, the War Powers Act is unenforceable (and unconstitutional).

    Rip Murdock (215bb7)

  14. Completely off-topic:

    There’s a wonderful scene in the (new) 4th season of the alt-history masterpiece “For All Mankind” where we see a character coming out of the “Spiro T Agnew High School”

    If you’ve ever wondered how history might have changed if the Space Race hadn’t been such a lopsided win, this show is just chockablock with irony, strong characters and plenty of great television. I liked the bit about Gore winning the 2000 election narrowly (over President Wilson’s* VP GHWB) by winning Florida.

    ——-
    *no, not that Wilson

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  15. Completely off-topic:

    Nothing is off-topic in the Weekend Open Thread.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  16. *no, not that Wilson

    Former Kansas City Royals outfielder Willie Wilson? He probably would have made a good President.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  17. No, Ellen Wilson, former astronaut, hero of Apollo 24, and Republican protegee of President Ronald Reagan (1976-1983).

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  18. Gallup: Independent Party ID Tied for High; Democratic ID at New Low

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Political independents continue to constitute the largest political bloc in the U.S., with an average of 43% of U.S. adults identifying this way in 2023, tying the record high from 2014. Independent identification has been 40% or higher each year since 2011, except for the 2016 (39%) and 2020 (39%) presidential election years. Equal 27% shares of U.S. adults identify as Republicans and Democrats, with the Democratic figure marking a new low for that party in Gallup’s trend.

    A pox on both your houses.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  19. IMHO, “For All Mankind” is the best TV series since “The Americans”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  20. So Willie Wilson was secretary of Health and Human Affairs or something?

    I’ll have to read about Ellen Wilson. I wasn’t familiar with her life story.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  21. There is another side to what is presented in BuDuh’s article, layed out in a most partisan manner here:

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23696643-ethics-complaint-against-stefan-passantino

    Passantino’s own complaint is here:

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/Passantino%20v.%20US%20Complaint_0.pdf

    My question — and I rely on the lawyers on this — is Cheney, as a Congresswoman co-chairng an investigative committee, bound by the same set of ethical standards as a prosecutor? It seems that Passantino’s complaint is asserting something like that.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  22. I’ll have to read about Ellen Wilson. I wasn’t familiar with her life story.

    It’s fiction, of course.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  23. Congresswoman … bound by … ethical standards

    It answers itself

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  24. Regarding the third news item, there was a great Twitter stream last night from Bill Melguin, the outstanding Fox News reporter whose work is quite often cited at this blog. Last night he reported that the Texas National Guard, mobilized by Governor Greg Abbott, has seized control of a local park in Eagle Pass, which is a notorious border entry for illegal immigrants. The National Guard is not allowing Border Patrol to access the park, citing the fact that the Biden Administration had ordered the BP officers to remove barriers and razor wire which had been placed there to impede illegal crossings. The Border Patrol officer’s union has praised the Abbott Administration for this action, stating that they did not appreciate the Biden Administration’s demands that they help facilitate illegal crossings. The Biden Administration is naturally taking this matter to the federal courts, where they will likely find a friendly judge to issue an injunction against the state. But good for Governor Abbott for escalating this matter and showing pretty definitively that the Biden Administration does not prioritize securing the borders.

    Read the whole story from Bill Melguin’s Twitter feed. He’s doing great work in reporting these matters.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  25. I don’t know how many things deserve the term genocide, but the South African government and others are silent about the number of people who have lost their lives in Yemen, or Ethiopia or Syria in recent years

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/us/politics/us-houthi-missile-strikes.html

    Hundreds of thousands of people have died in airstrikes and fighting in Yemen, as well as from disease and hunger, since the conflict there began. A truce negotiated in 2022 has largely held even without a formal agreement.

    There was opposition in Congress toward Saudi Arabia’s airstrikes, and it did stop eventually.

    The New York Times notes how (all of a sudden) concern gets elevated when a situation involves Israel:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/health/gaza-israel-hunger-starvation.html

    The situation in Gaza is the latest in a series of recent crises that have reversed progress against famine. Mass death from starvation declined steadily from the 1980s well into the 21st century. But over the past seven years, food crises associated with conflict (such as those in Yemen, Syria and the Tigray region of Ethiopia) and those stemming from environmental conditions and climate change (such as in Somalia) have resulted in the loss of more than a million lives.

    The African National Congress and the South African government has very bad allies – the reason it hasn’t turned into a tyranny is that they honored their agreement with the white South Africans. Because AIDS primarily affected blacks, they let it get out of control after they took over.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  26. People are now coming from west Africa because it is easier to get into the United States than Europe – which is a compliment to the United States.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  27. The NYT had a big headline about Yemen, but if you read further you see that President Biden is anxious here, like everywhere, to avoid escalation (into World War III?) – that’s why he avoided killing the guilty people (Iranians in Yemen) concentrating on equipment and foot soldiers.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/us/politics/us-houthi-missile-strikes.html

    Mr. Biden authorized the strikes earlier in the week and Mr. Austin gave the final go-ahead on Thursday from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., where he is being treated for complications from prostate cancer surgery…

    …For the Biden administration, the decision to finally strike back at the Houthis was three months in coming. Despite the barrage of attacks from the Houthis, the administration had hesitated to respond militarily for a number of reasons.

    There was a fear that strikes on Yemen could escalate into a tit-for-tat between American naval vessels and the Houthis and even draw Iran further into the conflict, officials said. On Thursday, Iran’s navy seized a vessel loaded with crude oil off the coast of Oman.

    Top Biden aides also had been reluctant to feed the narrative that the Yemeni militia group had become so important as to warrant U.S. military retaliation. Several administration officials said that the United States was also wary of disrupting the tenuous truce in Yemen….

    ….The strikes came after weeks of consulting with allies. On Wednesday, Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was on the phone with his British counterpart, Adm. Sir Tony Radakin, to discuss the strikes, defense officials said.

    Thursday night’s strikes were the biggest U.S. attack against the Houthis in nearly a decade. In 2016, the United States struck three Houthi missile sites with Tomahawk cruise missiles after the Houthis fired on Navy and commercial vessels. The Houthis’ attacks stopped afterward.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  28. Former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony played a large role in shaping House Democrats’ final report sharply criticizing Donald Trump for the Capitol riot

    How so? It proved that Trump did not expect a riot. Because he wanted to go there.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  29. I suggest critics read Cassidy Hutchinson’s book Enough to learn what she actually said and did, and why. It’s not what you think.

    Dana (8e902f)

  30. Yes, the testimony changed, but only to make it more dramatic.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  31. The financial statements are perfect, there are no witnesses against us. The banks got all their money paid back. They were great loans.”

    he NY State AG claims they got lower interest rates and maybe were only able to pay it back because of that.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  32. Knesset member ofer cassif faces expulsion for supporting south africa investigation into genocide claims. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear I keep being told. Today on DU from democracy now. Thats the best I can do JVM.

    asset (f39390)

  33. JVW (1ad43e) — 1/12/2024 @ 10:45 am

    It saddens me to contemplate the gross dysfunction that South Africa has slipped into in the post-Mandela era

    It’s not post-Mandela. It’s post Botha. But Mandela’s immediate successor was worse. And most of them have had issues. That’s because they never were interested in a functioning democracy – just in not losing the white people.

    as the ANC has become a bloated and corrupt vehicle for enriching the political elite.

    They need white people to stay for that – and the Afrikaner white people know their place maybe.

    With any luck, this will be the year that South Africa finally gives them the boot.

    There are glimmerings of a competitive political system.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  34. Israel put retired Supreme Court Jjustice Aharan BArak as its member on the court.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  35. Democrats keeping it real:

    NY Congresswoman Clarke (D) saying the quiet part out loud about the border:

    “I need more people in my district just for redistricting purposes.”

    Full quote:

    “I’m from Brooklyn, New York. We have a diaspora that can absorb a significant number of these migrants,” said Clarke. “When I hear colleagues talk about, you know, the doors of the inn being closed — ah, no room at the inn — I’m saying I need more people in my district just for redistricting purposes.”

    lloyd (d58c01)

  36. @35 How is AOC going to become president otherwise? Latinx, African Americans and Asians are democratic parties future everybody knows that. The left of the part openly supports that.

    asset (f39390)

  37. https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/11/tom-cotton-dei-hiring-practices-diversity-quotas-letter/

    This type of racism has been permitted for my entire life. Hopefully they will finally crack down on this formerly legalized racism

    NJRob (7ce982)

  38. How so? It proved that Trump did not expect a riot. Because he wanted to go there.

    You may be the only person on this blog who thinks those two things connect like that. I’m pretty sure he wante3d to go there to exhort his minions.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  39. When they hear “connect the dots”, some people take two points and draw a parabola.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  40. Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 1/12/2024 @ 12:57 pm


    I
    The fraud statute (New York Executive Law § 63(12)) doesn’t require the NY Attorney General to prove that a party suffered any financial injury or that Trump received any benefit from the fraud:

    Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney genera may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty of the general business law and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. …………

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  41. The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. …………

    I’m sure there’s an exception for political campaigns.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  42. Who are you talking about here?

    Yes, the testimony changed, but only to make it more dramatic.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 1/12/2024 @ 12:55 pm

    Dana (8fe006)

  43. Ron DeSantis’s last stand
    …………
    ………… By the late evening news Monday night, we should know whether DeSantis’s presidential campaign, which once looked like the best shot for dislodging Trump as the leader of the Republican Party, has much of a future.
    ………..
    DeSantis certainly can come out of Wednesday’s debate feeling good that his opponent sounded like a malfunctioning robot, programmed to mention “DeSantisLies.com” every two minutes.
    ………..
    …………He’s in single digits in the next contest, the New Hampshire primary. He’s about 40 points behind Trump in South Carolina, traditionally one of the decisive moments in a Republican presidential primary. On top of that, he’s about 40 points behind even in his home state of Florida.

    Where does DeSantis, you know, win?

    DeSantis’s campaign was based on a seemingly plausible but ultimately erroneous theory of the race: that the Republican Party hungered for a candidate that had Trump’s populism and pugnaciousness, but without Jan. 6 or his other scandals.
    ………….
    And if DeSantis wasn’t going to peel away Trump supporters, then he had to unify the roughly half the party open to options other than Trump — but there has never been a cohesive non- or anti-Trump coalition within the GOP…………
    …………..

    Why vote for someone like Trump when you can vote for the real Trump?

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  44. @21

    My question — and I rely on the lawyers on this — is Cheney, as a Congresswoman co-chairng an investigative committee, bound by the same set of ethical standards as a prosecutor? It seems that Passantino’s complaint is asserting something like that.

    Appalled (03f53c) — 1/12/2024 @ 12:08 pm

    Nope.

    All congress critters are ultimately covered by the Speech & Debate clause. IF any at all, she could be sanctioned by the Ethics Committee, but I doubt it.

    whembly (5f7596)

  45. @40

    The fraud statute (New York Executive Law § 63(12)) doesn’t require the NY Attorney General to prove that a party suffered any financial injury or that Trump received any benefit from the fraud:

    Rip Murdock (20561e) — 1/12/2024 @ 2:21 pm

    Which is really an obnoxious piece of law that is ripe for political persecution.

    Suing someone where there’s no harmed individual is banana republic stuff.

    whembly (5f7596)

  46. I’m sure there’s an exception for political campaigns.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/12/2024 @ 2:39 pm

    Of course political campaigns are subject to other fraud laws, just ask George Santos.

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  47. Suing someone where there’s no harmed individual is banana republic stuff.

    whembly (5f7596) — 1/12/2024 @ 3:21 pm

    It’s been well litigated over the past 68 years; see pp. 23-26 here for some of the case law. It’s the cost of doing business in New York.

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  48. DeSantis certainly can come out of Wednesday’s debate feeling good that his opponent sounded like a malfunctioning robot, programmed to mention “DeSantisLies.com” every two minutes.

    I hope that Haley spent the day firing the morons who chose that strategy.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  49. If any at all, she could be sanctioned by the Ethics Committee, but I doubt it.

    Especially as she’s a former member and they have no power over her now.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  50. It’s been well litigated over the past 68 years

    It would seem no one has standing.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  51. Hundreds Of Thousands In Sanaa, Yemen, Demonstrate Against U.S. & U.K. Strikes On Houthi Targets

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oBHpaFnzy8g

    BuDuh (4214e4)

  52. It’s been well litigated over the past 68 years; see pp. 23-26 here for some of the case law. It’s the cost of doing business in New York.

    And lawyers wonder why their profession is so disliked.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  53. Interesting article in the WSJ talking about the change in industry practices that has had no fatal U.S. airline accidents since 2009.

    Flying in America Has Actually Never Been Safer

    The biggest U.S. commercial airlines have now gone nearly 15 years without a fatal crash, which is something of a miracle itself, as there have been more than 100 million flights and 10 billion passengers since then.

    These days, we barely think about safety when we board a plane. Instead we think about whether the Wi-Fi will be good enough to check our email. And that’s because flying across the sky is safer than walking across the street. Airplanes produce fewer deaths per mile than cars, ferries, trains, subways or buses—and the chances of dying in a crash are roughly the same as getting struck by lightning while reading this sentence.

    The country’s safety record would have sounded not just incredible or inconceivable 15 years ago, but completely insane.

    “I never would’ve believed it,” said William Voss, the former head of the Flight Safety Foundation, a nonprofit advocacy group.

    This revolution in the sky that has saved countless lives began nearly three decades ago with a surprisingly innovative strategy for improving air safety. It depended on pilots, flight attendants and dispatchers voluntarily reporting safety issues and admitting their own errors. But first it demanded the entire industry agree to a profound shift in risk tolerance.

    But read the whole thing

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  54. What part of the airline industry is still operating on the old CYA principles? Boeing.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  55. It would seem no one has standing.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/12/2024 @ 3:58 pm

    Anyone sued by the NY Attorney General would have standing.

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  56. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/12/2024 @ 4:38 pm

    I wonder what insight Nikki can provide……..

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  57. New York City may be a nasty place, but Trump is one of the people who made it nasty. A double-talking, double-dealing, double-crossing Fifth Avenue pile of rat feces. Say what you want about James and Engoron, they knew exactly who and what they were dealing with. Trump’s victim act was not going to fool them the little least bit.

    nk (654bb3)

  58. BuDuh (4214e4) — 1/12/2024 @ 4:01 pm

    That’s just too bad.

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  59. US carries out further strikes against Houthis in Yemen one day after hitting nearly 30 locations
    …………
    The additional strikes carried out Friday night were much smaller in scope and targeted a radar facility used by the Houthis, the official said.
    ………..
    The latest strike was carried out unilaterally by the United States, the official said.
    ……….

    Since the Biden administration failed to consult with Congress and get their pre-approval, I expect it to be included in any impeachment proceedings.

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  60. Since the Biden administration failed to consult with Congress and get their pre-approval, I expect it to be included in any impeachment proceedings.

    Why is he required to do that? Obama ran an entire war against Khadaffi without Congressional approval. Bill Clinton LOST* an AUMF vote regarding Kosovo, but did it anyway.

    ——
    * A tie is a loss

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  61. Wow, Caroline Glick.
    On a related note, Kevin Wiliamson. Also, this.

    1) “every single mosque they go into has a Hamas weapons [cache]”

    2) “every school and kindergarten we go into we find guns in the basement. In each one we found more than ten AK47s, machine guns and grenades”

    3) “about one in every two or three homes in Gaza they go into has military weaponry, including AK47s, grenades and rocket launchers. And they routinely find entrances to Hamas’s terror tunnels inside civilian houses…most often in the children’s bedrooms and even under cots… this is such a pattern that when they search a house they now go straight to the children’s bedrooms to uncover weapons caches and entrances to the tunnels. They recently found an RPG underneath a baby’s crib.”

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  62. Two days ago:
    Hunter Biden’s visit to Capitol Hill is part of a more aggressive, forward-leaning legal strategy

    Hunter Biden’s stunt appearance on Capitol Hill on Wednesday is part of a more aggressive, forward-leaning strategy that his legal team, led by lawyers Abbe Lowell and Kevin Morris, has adopted to confront his detractors in the last year.

    Hunter Biden’s lawyers are aware that despite Congress holding a contempt vote against him as early as next week, they have few – if any – ways to enforce a punishment.

    Congress has limited options to force Hunter Biden to answer questions before it or to successfully hold him in contempt if he is engaging with the committee, making Wednesday’s surprise appearance even more of a standoff.

    His attorneys have made clear they believe him showing up on Capitol Hill and offering to testify publicly is enough to attempt to call the bluff of Republicans who say they want to question him extensively.

    Today:
    Hunter Biden reverses course, would sit for closed-door deposition with new subpoena

    Hunter Biden reversed course Friday and said he would agree to give closed-door testimony to Congress if the House Oversight and Judiciary committees issue new subpoenas.

    Hunter Biden’s lawyer, Abbe Lowell, made the offer in a letter Friday to Oversight and Accountability Committee Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) and Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan (R-Ohio)

    There aren’t enough laughing emojis.

    lloyd (c0844e)

  63. Illinois Governor Asks Texas To Halt Sending Migrants Amid Winter Storm

    Illinois seems to be only a fair weather sanctuary state.

    lloyd (c0844e)

  64. Since the Biden administration failed to consult with Congress and get their pre-approval, I expect it to be included in any impeachment proceedings.

    Why is he required to do that? Obama ran an entire war against Khadaffi without Congressional approval. Bill Clinton LOST* an AUMF vote regarding Kosovo, but did it anyway.

    Impeachment is the only remedy for members of Congress that are so offended at not being consulted about or voting on involvement in the current military operations.

    Since the Republicans are intent on impeaching Biden anyway, they might as well include it as one of the 50 impeachment articles. They might even get some of the Democrat leftists to vote with them. 😉

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  65. A small number of moderate democrats say they will support speaker mike johnson if far right conservatives try to oust him over budget deal. (nbc news wash. bureau) DU

    asset (9c0a2b)

  66. asset (9c0a2b) — 1/12/2024 @ 8:26 pm

    At what price?

    Rip Murdock (20561e)

  67. I am not a moderate ;but according to DU they don’t want the government shutdown sh*t show again! Its not the whole democrat party just a small number of dino corporate establishment stooges of the donor class who don’t want govt. shutdown. With two vote majority you don’t need many dinos.

    asset (9c0a2b)

  68. It takes an extraordinary degree of depravity to ship homeless people from Texas to Chicago in below zero temperatures.

    nk (654bb3)

  69. It takes an extraordinary degree of depravity to ship homeless people from Texas to Chicago in below zero temperatures.

    nk (654bb3) — 1/13/2024 @ 4:58 am

    They have homes… in other nations.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  70. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/01/05/the-washington-post-is-in-big-trouble-n2168357

    Having a billionaire sugar daddy has helped mask some of the issues plaguing the Post, but the tide can only be held back so long. To lose over 50 percent of its online viewership is catastrophic for an outlet with such high overhead costs. Subscriber numbers have also nosedived throughout the Biden administration.

    That last fact is interesting because the trend was originally blamed on Donald Trump no longer being in the news. The former president has been firmly back in the headlines the last year, though, and the Post has continued its downward spiral. If Trump being charged with multiple felonies isn’t enough to save the once-storied paper, it’s hard to imagine what could.

    As to the reasons behind this precipitous fall, I think they are fairly obvious. Nothing the Post produces is worthwhile. Their columnists are boring parrots who all say the same thing, levying the same boring attacks they were levying nearly a decade ago. Even a dyed-in-the-wool liberal can only take so many Jennifer Rubin columns claiming the end is nigh for the nation because Republicans get to vote.

    People are waking up and not buying the lying slant the WaPo is selling.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  71. @68 Chicago has more than enough schools to house them.

    lloyd (c0844e)

  72. @68

    It takes an extraordinary degree of depravity to ship homeless people from Texas to Chicago in below zero temperatures.

    nk (654bb3) — 1/13/2024 @ 4:58 am

    nk…these illegal immigrants WANT to go to these states.

    They’re not loaded up in railcars under a gun, ala the Nazi did to the German Jews.

    whembly (a43e5a)

  73. @64

    Since the Biden administration failed to consult with Congress and get their pre-approval, I expect it to be included in any impeachment proceedings.

    Why is he required to do that? Obama ran an entire war against Khadaffi without Congressional approval. Bill Clinton LOST* an AUMF vote regarding Kosovo, but did it anyway.

    Impeachment is the only remedy for members of Congress that are so offended at not being consulted about or voting on involvement in the current military operations.

    Since the Republicans are intent on impeaching Biden anyway, they might as well include it as one of the 50 impeachment articles. They might even get some of the Democrat leftists to vote with them. 😉

    Rip Murdock (20561e) — 1/12/2024 @ 7:30 pm

    I think the administration only needed to give notice to Congress within 24/48 hours under current statute.

    whembly (a43e5a)

  74. I think I am agreeing with Kevin on this: “Because Trump was allowed to rant and rave, he cannot whine to MAGAland that he was illegally silenced! in a courtroom by a corrupt judge!”

    Sure he can, and probably will. (I wish Dana is proved right, and me wrong, in our predictions.)

    Jim Miller (1de306)

  75. Opportunity costs, again: Let me remind all of you that the endless discussions of the Loser’s psychiatric problems distracts us from thinking — seriously — about our nation’s problems.

    For example: We tend to lump all immigrants together, legal or illegal. We should, at the very least, separate those two, and separate, in both categories, refugees from economic immigrants. (Of course, a person can be both.)

    Right now, for example, there are about a half million Venezuelans in the US. Most, so far as I can tell, are fleeing a corrupt, hostile, leftist state.

    Moreover, we should recognize that American practices have contributed to problems in our neighboring countries to the south. Bluntly, we could help many of our neighbors by cutting back on our illegal drug use.

    Jim Miller (1de306)

  76. Here’s the list of the WAshington Post’s opinion columnists:

    Danielle Allen
    Karen Attiah
    Rana Ayyub
    Perry Bacon Jr.
    Matt Bai
    Max Boot
    Brian Broome
    Paul Butler
    Jonathan Capehart
    Kate Cohen
    E.J. Dionne Jr.
    Jim Geraghty
    Shadi Hamid
    Hugh Hewitt
    Lee Hockstader
    James Hohmann
    David Ignatius
    Theodore R. Johnson
    Robert Kagan
    Vladimir Kara-Murza
    Colbert I. King
    León Krauze
    Charles Lane
    Adam Lashinsky
    Heather Long
    Christy E. Lopez
    Sebastian Mallaby
    Ruth Marcus
    Micheline Maynard
    Megan McArdle
    Dana Milbank
    Michele L. Norris
    Kathleen Parker
    Sergio Peçanha
    Alexandra Petri
    Ramesh Ponnuru
    Eduardo Porter
    Catherine Rampell
    Rick Reilly
    Jason Rezaian
    Keith B. Richburg
    Amanda Ripley
    Molly Roberts
    Eugene Robinson
    Josh Rogin
    Alyssa Rosenberg
    Jennifer Rubin
    Natasha Sarin
    Lawrence H. Summers
    Ruy Teixera
    Marc A. Thiessen
    Karen Tumulty
    Josh Tyrangiel
    Bina Venkataraman
    David Von Drehle
    Erik Wemple
    Leana S. Wen
    George F. Will
    Jason Willick
    Fareed Zakaria

    (My favorite is Mitch Daniels, by a narrow margin over Megan McArdle.)

    You can decide for yourself if that group can be described, accurately, as “boring parrots who all say the same thing”.

    Jim Miller (1de306)

  77. 8:06 AM: Discussions of the Loser’s psychiatric problems.

    8:10 AM: A reminder that “endless discussions of the Loser’s psychiatric problems distracts us from thinking — seriously — about our nation’s problems.”

    Very compelling.

    BuDuh (4214e4)

  78. Correction. 8:16 AM was the call to reason.

    BuDuh (4214e4)

  79. Mitch Daniels is not on that list, but regularly does “guest” opinions.

    Jim Miller (1de306)

  80. @79, I thought my alphabet skills were failing me.

    The extreme right and left both abuse language to try and build their tribe and further radicalize it. We need to work on finding ways to build common purpose. Simply re-yelling “destroying the country” gets boring. The challenge is that social media and partisan media continue to condition us. Just as they concluded in War Games, maybe the only winning move is not to play.

    AJ_Liberty (ebe333)

  81. Listen to the experts.

    Our Covid expert under oath:

    – Dr. Fauci claimed he “did not recall” pertinent COVID-19 information or conversations more than 100 times.
    – Dr. Fauci profusely defended his previous Congressional testimony where he stated NIH does not fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan.
    – He repeatedly played semantics with the definition of gain-of-function in an attempt to avoid conceding that NIH funded potentially dangerous research in China.
    – Dr. Fauci testified that he signed off on every foreign and domestic NIAID grant without reviewing the proposals.
    A 2020 email, previously released by the Select Subcommittee, proved Dr. Fauci was aware of dangerous gain-of-function research occurring in Wuhan, China. Today, he backtracked by arguing he should not have stated that as “fact.”
    – Dr. Fauci was unable to confirm if NIAID has ANY mechanisms to conduct oversight of the foreign laboratories they fund.
    – Dr. Fauci claimed that the “6 feet apart” social distancing recommendation promoted by federal health officials was likely not based on any data. He characterized the development of the guidance by stating “it sort of just appeared.”
    – Dr. Fauci acknowledged that the lab leak hypothesis is not a conspiracy theory. This comes nearly four years after prompting the publication of the now infamous “Proximal Origin” paper that attempted to vilify and disprove the lab leak hypothesis.
    – Dr. Fauci admitted that America’s vaccine mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic could increase vaccine hesitancy in the future. Previously, Dr. Fauci advocated “that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullsh1t, and they get vaccinated.”
    When American universities approached Dr. Fauci, he advised them to impose vaccine mandates on their students.
    – Dr. Fauci denies allegations that he visited the CIA during the pandemic or influenced the CIA’s investigation into the origins of COVID-19.
    – Dr. Fauci played semantics with the definition of a “lab-leak” in an attempt to cover-up the inaccurate conclusions of “Proximal Origin.” It is impossible for Dr. Fauci to defend the conclusion of this publication while simultaneously acknowledging that a lab-leak is possible.

    The experts thought funding risky experiments in Wuhan with little or no oversight was a good idea. The experts lied about it for years, ridiculed those who questioned the narrative (see Rand Paul), and their allies in the press and social media aided and abetted. The experts are still lying. The experts, it’s becoming increasingly clear, killed millions.

    lloyd (288088)

  82. It takes an extraordinary degree of depravity to ship homeless people from Texas to Chicago in below zero temperatures.

    Perhaps, but it takes an extraordinary degree of assh0litry to expect Texas to shoulder the influx by themselves, and they were denouncing Texas long before this weather and they will be denouncing Texas long afterwards.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  83. As far as Trump’s “persecution” is concerned, he was given mercy by the Senate in 2021, but he refused to yield after they let him off. Now, he is getting the opposite of mercy. Choices have consequences.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  84. Was Fauci asked about the comparison of the unvaccinated to drunk drivers?

    BuDuh (4214e4)

  85. Was Fauci asked about the effect of masks, social distancing, and lockdowns on finding “some fresh stuff” to participate in bisexual orgies?

    nk (af98e3)

  86. Did Fauci send out the FBI to find and seize caches of PPE and ventilators, and then ship them to China in order for his wife to preserve her trademarks for her Uighur slave labor made schlock?

    nk (af98e3)

  87. When temperatures in Texas exceed 115F in the shade this summer, I’m sure Pritzker will be pleading Texas to send them north and Illinois will foot the bill. Because he’s not depraved.

    lloyd (4bcc9f)

  88. Was Fauci asked about the comparison of the unvaccinated to drunk drivers?

    I’d still make that comparison. People died and the unvaccinated were the majority of vectors.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  89. But the drunks still defend their driving.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  90. One of the more interesting recent Megan McArdle columns was one in which she described a research paper showing that increases in the minimum wage led to increases in homelessness.

    The logic is straightforward: Some workers are not worth much per hour. If you price them out of the job market, they can no longer afford even minimum housing. And so, become homeless. This would explain, for example, why homelessness is so high in California. And why our big cities no longer have many “flophouses”. Or even trailer parks.

    (To her credit, McArdle said that she read the research carefully, recognizing that her libertarian tendencies made her vulnerable to such arguments.)

    Years ago, Roger Miller provided an example supporting that argument in his song, “King of the Road”.

    Jim Miller (1de306)

  91. News item:

    Snow, wind, and sub-zero temperatures upend Iowa caucuses

    Laura Looner knows why:

    @LauraLoomer
    Follow
    Is the Deep State activating HAARP to disrupt the Iowa Caucus?

    We all know @NikkiHaley has a lot of friends in the defense industry and Military industrial complex. She’s losing in Iowa, and now Iowa is set to get hit with a ONCE IN A DECADE blizzard as Donald Trump is set to dominate the Iowa Caucus.

    Is the Deep State using HAARP to rig the Iowa Caucus?

    Looks like weather manipulation to me.

    Take a look at this weather radar below and how the incoming snow storm accelerated out of nowhere. 👇🏻

    HAARP is the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program, which studies the ionosphere, and is the subject of many conspiracy theories.

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  92. This would explain, for example, why homelessness is so high in California.

    The minimum wage in New Mexico is about the same as in California, but a quality apartment in a decent area can be had for $1000/month. The crappiest apartment in the worst neighborhood in Los Angeles is more than that.

    Having trouble making ends meet in Los Angeles? Move.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  93. @91: Having no clue about how things work leads inevitably to seeing conspiracies. Much like Bernie does with economics.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  94. the comparison of the unvaccinated to drunk drivers?

    Am I the only one who spots the sleight of hand in this phrasing?

    The correct word to use, with respect to “drunk” is “infected,” or “exposed” (if you prefer). Because neither the vaccinated nor unvaccinated can become vectors until after exposure. Only fools thought that vaccination was a guarantee against becoming a vector, or that being asymptomatic was proof of not being a vector. It was known, before covid, that vaccinated persons could still shed the virus from which they are protected (e.g. Polio).

    felipe (546e7a)

  95. From a Science interview with Fauci:

    “The far radical right was angry, and when people are angry, they need to channel their anger, otherwise it fizzles out. You have to have a devil. I was trying my very best to get people to take the virus seriously when the president was not taking it seriously. When the vaccine came, I was telling people to get vaccinated because it’s lifesaving. I was the person who was on television almost every night who wasn’t afraid to tell it like it is.

    And I happened to be the guy that really pissed off the far right, by being the person who spoke up against [former President Donald] Trump. When you look, I never really disparaged him at all. I always said, “What he’s saying is not true.” The president was very little fazed. After I would say it, he would be just as friendly to me. The staff around him went crazy.”

    Then further

    “It’s not only the ring wing, but they use it. And if you look at the facts of that, it’s total fabrication. They jump on, “Oh, he’s the guy that shut the country down and ruined the economy, as well as ruined our children. And he’s the guy that started the epidemic.” The moderates and the progressives look at it and say, “What are they talking about? There’s no way that Fauci is going to be involved in that.”

    I had no idea the grant to [EcoHealth and WIV] existed until all this exploded. It’s $121,000-a-year grant and I had a $6 billion portfolio. So when I said to my people, “Tell me what’s going on,” they said, “This is the guidelines and by no definition whatsoever is that gain-of-function of concern.” Now, people are saying maybe those guidelines are a little too loose. My feeling is, absolutely, you should reexamine that, and if you want to change it, change it.”

    https://www.science.org/content/article/anthony-fauci-becoming-devil-and-warning-his-successor

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  96. I’d still make that comparison. People died and the unvaccinated were the majority of vectors.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/13/2024 @ 10:30 am

    Citation required.

    The vaccinated were vectors that were told they couldn’t spread the virus which was a lie.

    NJRob (fbf57e)

  97. Ouch: GOP Pollster Says Average Age of Iowa Caucus Voter Is ‘Deceased’
    …………..
    Frank Luntz, who also masterminds focus groups to suss out voter positions, callously characterized elderly Republican voters in a discussion of the impact on caucus turnout Monday amid the state’s massive snowfall and continuing frigid temperatures.

    “Young voters, 18 to 29-year-olds, are less likely to vote in inclement weather. Their turnout is always suspect,” he said Friday on “Your World” on Fox News.

    In a “Republican event, the average age of a caucus voter, frankly, is deceased,” he added. “Those over age 70 … would vote if it was more conducive to getting outside.”
    …………..
    In any case, Iowa caucus results have not been a strong predictor of final victory. Caucus winners in 2008, 2012 and 2016 all failed to win the Republican nomination, noted news host Neil Cavuto.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  98. @95 The question Fauci was responding to:

    “The debate about the origin of the pandemic doesn’t necessarily involve the far right. There are people all over the political spectrum who accuse you of having covered up and lied about your own institution funding gain-of-function research that made bat coronaviruses more dangerous and started the pandemic. [NIAID funded the EcoHealth Alliance, which subcontracted work to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) that some lab-leak proponents contend sparked the pandemic.]”

    It’s in Fauci interests, and his shameless defenders’ interests, to paint it as right wing nuts versus reasonable moderates and progressives. It was the thrust used in his much hyped and now discredited Proximal Origin letter, who’s co-authors branded the lab leak hypothesis as a “crackpot theory.” Ad hominem is now his, and their, only argument.

    Jeffrey Sachs, chair of The Lancet’s Covid-19 Comission, and no right wing nut by any stretch:

    “Fauci behaved very badly,” Sachs said, “NIH behaved very badly, a small group of very vocal scientists that were part of that group have behaved very badly. And while we still don’t know definitively what happened, we do know definitively that a narrative was concocted in the first few days that was phony.”

    Fauci knew about gain-of-function back before covid became a pandemic. He lied about it in sworn testimony. Those continually defending his conduct are in on the lie.

    lloyd (4bcc9f)

  99. In any case, Iowa caucus results have not been a strong predictor of final victory. Caucus winners in 2008, 2012 and 2016 all failed to win the Republican nomination, noted news host Neil Cavuto.
    …………

    Of course, Mike Huckabee (2008); Rick Santorum (2012); and Ted Cruz (2016) didn’t nearly have the political support and polling numbers that Trump has had for the last six months.

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  100. Can someone post a link to the transcript (or video) of Fauci’s testimony? Thanks.

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  101. I won’t be lamenting the death of Gonzalo Lira, the Chilean-born American who went to Ukraine and served as a propagandist for Putin.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  102. News outside the bubble. Mississippi which has no state minimum wage refuses child food program from federal government. (DU) Bill o’reilly upset that floriduh schools ban his books under pornography law he championed! (DU)

    asset (7abaaa)

  103. @98, Professor Sachs is an economist, not a virologist. Ecohealth takes him to task in the article below

    https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/2023/03/ecohealth-alliance-statement-correcting-inaccuracies-in-written-testimony-by-professor-jeffrey-sachs

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  104. https://www.foxnews.com/world/biden-stresses-us-does-not-support-independence-taiwan-world-leaders-react-election-win

    Here’s Biden for ya. Supports the Communist regime’s dominance over Taiwan.

    NJRob (fbf57e)

  105. @103 “Professor Sachs is an economist, not a virologist. Ecohealth takes him to task in the article below”

    Daszak has been trying to discredit Sachs and his commission for years. Sachs booted him. But he’s a virologist. which would be relevant if his views were motivated by the science of virology instead of self interest. He’s a virologist with a conflict of interest a mile wide.

    From the NYmag article I linked earlier:

    Sachs’s views on the matter seemed settled even before Horton appointed him to lead the commission. In May 2020, he wrote an opinion column for CNN headlined “Trump’s Anti-China Theory Implodes,” in which he said right-wing politicians pointing fingers at the Wuhan lab could “push the world to conflict.” He continued, “Neither the biology nor chronology support the laboratory-release story.”

    Two weeks earlier, the Trump administration had prematurely ended an NIH grant supporting EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S.-based nonprofit funding research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan institute. EcoHealth was run by the British American disease ecologist Peter Daszak, a leading researcher of bat coronaviruses who, like Sachs, worked at Columbia University. Soon after, Sachs reached out to him. “I liked the fact that he was quite involved in China, knew a lot about natural spillovers, and was the guy doing this. So I thought, Gee, it would be great if he would lead the task force,” Sachs said.

    To some, Daszak’s appointment looked like a knee-jerk rejection of Trump’s lab-leak blather, rather than a genuine scientific attempt to get to the bottom of the mystery. Critics said his relationship with the Wuhan institute should have been disqualifying, not least because the potential ramifications of a confirmed lab leak would jeopardize his life’s work. In a National Review story, Richard Ebright, a chemical biologist at Rutgers University, derided The Lancet group as an “entirely Potemkin commission.” To him, entrusting Daszak with the origins task force was like handing the keys of an investigation to one of its prime suspects.

    In the link you provided, Daszak plays the same semantics games as Fauci, and the claim about oversight is comical given what Fauci admitted in his testimony and the Science interview you also linked. Maybe they need to agree on what to lie about.

    lloyd (4bcc9f)

  106. What is all this in aid of? Affirmation of hydroxychloroquine or exorcism for incubi?

    nk (b8c949)

  107. I am no expert on the subject, but this — which I read years ago — may explain some of the Houthi attitudes toward Jews. The Jews in Yemen, before Israel’s founding, were subject to many terrible forms of persecution, including, as I understand it, this one: A Yemenese tribe might own a Jewish tribe. If they were in a good mood, the Yemenese tribe might defend their Jewish tribe against other Yemenese tribes.

    So the Houthis may be missing their former slaves.

    Jim Miller (af1ef3)

  108. Haley-DeSantis Food Fight Validates Trump’s Debate Boycott Strategy

    If Nikki Haley could confront Donald Trump, she would tell him she thought it was “ridiculous” to argue he is immune to criminal prosecution. If Ron DeSantis could take the former president to task, he would call out Trump for flip-flopping on abortion.

    But neither of them is likely to get the chance……..
    …………..
    …………..Barring a last-minute twist in the race, the front-runner’s gamble that he wouldn’t have to face his rivals on the debate stage has paid off dramatically and must be counted as one of a few strategic masterstrokes that have paved the way for him to march to the nomination.
    ……………
    …………..(I) was hard to see the last debate as any kind of turning point in a campaign that has been defined by Trump solidifying his lead as the other candidates tussle in the ever-more-distant rearview; in the latest polling average he leads the state by 35 points. In the end, his two challengers could come together on one point: They wished he was there to answer to them.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  109. RIP Pulitzer Prize winning TV critic for the Washington Post Tom Shales (79).

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  110. The Egyptians know how to build a border wall, but they only have a 12-mile long border with Gaza.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  111. Ron DeSantis’s Big Bet on Iowa Risks Not Paying Off
    ……….
    DeSantis has focused nearly all of his time and resources here, and a poor performance would drain him of momentum in a race that heavily favors the former president. Nikki Haley has replaced DeSantis as the top alternative to Trump in many national and early-state GOP surveys. A Suffolk University poll of likely Iowa caucus-goers released Thursday showed her ahead of DeSantis, 20% to 13%, with Trump at 54%.
    ………….
    Hurt by strategic stumbles, a sometimes awkward campaign presence and—perhaps most important—the rallying by Republicans around Trump as the former president’s criminal indictments mounted, the 45-year-old governor has been stuck in the same gear, unable to realize a one-on-one fight with the front-runner. Another factor: DeSantis has been hammered by $46 million in negative ads from rivals, according to campaign finance analyst Rob Pyers.
    ………..
    Trump hopes to rack up big victories in the first voting states, to secure the nomination as early as March. Consolidating the anti-Trump vote behind one candidate is the only chance for someone to have a shot at beating him, with DeSantis and Haley, the former South Carolina governor, fighting bitterly for that slot.

    An Iowa result that seriously wounds DeSantis—if he finishes third—could set the stage for a more viable Haley challenge to Trump.………
    …………
    Craig Robinson, a former Republican Party political director in Iowa, said he expects DeSantis to finish third. “He picked the wrong lane to run in,” he said. “He picked the lane that Donald Trump is in.”
    #######

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  112. “The Egyptians know how to build a border wall”

    It’s amazing what you can accomplish when you don’t have an EPA.

    lloyd (0cd88e)

  113. The vaccinated were vectors that were told they couldn’t spread the virus which was a lie.

    Treat yourself to a math book.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  114. Only fools thought that vaccination was a guarantee against becoming a vector

    But only immumerates and idiots think the unvaccinated pose an equal or lesser risk, or that the unvaccinated are less at risk from the disease.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  115. Citation required.

    No matter what I would cite, you’d just deny it or say it was a conspiracy.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  116. Haley-DeSantis Food Fight Validates Trump’s Debate Boycott Strategy

    Because Trump brings sanity and composure to any debate?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  117. The Egyptians know how to build a border wall, but they only have a 12-mile long border with Gaza.

    Which is why is say “conquer everything down to Panama, and then build the wall”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  118. We’d already have a moat.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  119. Refresher on Covid deaths by vaccination status, along with a primer for the statistically-declined.

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  120. @102: Citing DU as a source is like me citing Gateway Pundit.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  121. Haley-DeSantis Food Fight Validates Trump’s Debate Boycott Strategy

    Because Trump brings sanity and composure to any debate?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/13/2024 @ 6:11 pm

    No, because by skipping the debates Trump left the Lilliputians to fight among themselves.

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  122. I won’t be lamenting the death of Gonzalo Lira, the Chilean-born American who went to Ukraine and served as a propagandist for Putin.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 1/13/2024 @ 1:18 pm

    No fan or his words or actions, but he was jailed for speaking pro-Russian propaganda then died in prison. You don’t have a problem with that?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  123. Affirmation of hydroxychloroquine or exorcism for incubi?

    nk (b8c949) — 1/13/2024 @ 2:57 pm

    Do you have any point? Or are you subtly trying to admit the government lied… again.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  124. Refresher on Covid deaths by vaccination status, along with a primer for the statistically-declined.

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/13/2024 @ 6:19 pm

    So it works in direct contradiction to your drunk driving metaphor that you doubled down on?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  125. Why did/does Africa have drastically lower death rates from COVID?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  126. News outside the bubble gov.gregg abbot R-turdas says he can’t shoot migrant women and children wading across the rio grande because Biden would have him arrested for murder! ABC nightly news and CBS nightly news. jvm demands I show sources and links the best I can. @125 Africa much warmer weather seems to affect covid and they have less sealed up buildings and homes maybe reason.

    asset (019d59)

  127. I would also guess that public health statistics from underdeveloped countries are not as reliable as those from developed countries. They don’t have the resources to develop sophisticated health monitoring systems.

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  128. No fan or his words or actions, but he was jailed for speaking pro-Russian propaganda then died in prison. You don’t have a problem with that?

    False, Rob.
    He was jailed for filming the location of Ukrainian troops in Kharkiv, and then he skipped bail. He became an enemy of the Ukrainian state, in support of the Russian enemy, while living in Ukraine. Ask yourself why a pro-Putin hack like Tucker is defending him.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  129. Average age of the populations are much younger is SSA, implying much fewer people above 65yrs. For instance, Uganda’s average age is less than 18. Canada’s is more than 40.

    AJ_Liberty (bf2a34)

  130. https://www.foxnews.com/world/biden-stresses-us-does-not-support-independence-taiwan-world-leaders-react-election-win

    Here’s Biden for ya. Supports the Communist regime’s dominance over Taiwan.

    NJRob (fbf57e) — 1/13/2024 @ 1:50 pm

    Here’s every President since Nixon for ya. Since the Shanghai Communique in 1972, no U.S. administration has supported independence for Taiwan.

    norcal (f2bf33)

  131. So it works in direct contradiction to your drunk driving metaphor that you doubled down on?

    Where did you get that? What it shows is that unvaccinated people died in droves — huge death numbers — then the survivors had immunity almost as good as being vaccinated. And communicability is proportional to disease.

    Yes, vaccinated people can get sick; I did — 2 years after onset — when I thought it would be a good idea to go to a convention and not wear a mask. 2000 people, enclosed space, no masks, what could go wrong? But it took a lot of carelessness on my part.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  132. As I said though, the drunks keep saying they’re the good drivers.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  133. Ask yourself why a pro-Putin hack like Tucker is defending him.

    Because Tucker is for FREEDOM!!!1!!

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  134. @133 work makes you frei.

    asset (02f718)

  135. False, Rob.
    He was jailed for filming the location of Ukrainian troops in Kharkiv, and then he skipped bail. He became an enemy of the Ukrainian state, in support of the Russian enemy, while living in Ukraine. Ask yourself why a pro-Putin hack like Tucker is defending him.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 1/13/2024 @ 8:56 pm

    Random guy on twitter vs experienced journalist. Got it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  136. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/13/2024 @ 6:08 pm

    You seem married to the word “unvaccinated.” If you would use “exposed” instead, you will find that we agree on all points, because the stupidity of making enemies between classes would fall away like scales from eyes.

    felipe (546e7a)

  137. Random guy on twitter vs experienced journalist. Got it.

    Thank you for the nonsensical response.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  138. The parable of the twins

    So a beverage manufacturer made an agreement with AA to come up with a drink to help people stay sober. Many took to the beverage with great consolation, but were dismayed when they found out that some of their number preferred not to drink it saying “we can be sober without recourse to this concoction.” And it seemed some could remain sober by way of careful praxis.

    This naturally angered both AA and their partner who stood to lose both prestige on the one hand, and revenue on the other. So a declaration was made by way of ubiquitous adverts: Any who dare to abstain from this most necessary beverage must forthwith be anathema!

    This stern decree you’ll understand
    caused great dismay throughout the land
    for young and old and shy and bold
    were equally affected.

    But I am right and you are right and we are right
    and all is quite correct!

    And behold, Twins were set one against another. The elder by mere chance, having been born before the other, entered boldly into a bar. And he feared not, because he imbibed the miraculous drink.

    The younger stayed at home carefully avoiding the mob, because he was much hated for practicing what he preached, which was “sobriety by his own counsel.” The younger succeeded in remaining sober as a result of vigilance.

    The elder became drunk for having exposed himself in his reckless abandon, but his foolishness was passed over and he was held blameless because he had been given the sign of the imbiber.

    And all was well in the world.

    felipe (546e7a)

  139. In their current forms, debates are tending to be more annoying than enlightening. It’s not that questions are bad or that responses aren’t telling us anything about the candidates (though much seems scripted and rehearsed), it’s just that a lot of what gets discussed doesn’t have much to do with what a President actually does…or should do. We aren’t electing a king that is supposed to take care or us from cradle to grave…or to takeover matters that should be local concerns or concerns for the individual to manage.

    Let’s stop pretending that a President has magic powers and that much that we ask really has to cook its way through Congress or should be addressed by state legislatures. Being governor and addressing the issues of a single state is different than what is required of the President. The DeSantis-Haley debate seemed to get lost in the distinctions.

    Do I want to see Trump debate Haley now that she appears on the precipice of being the last candidate standing…and at least within shouting distance in NH? Trump never tells the truth….and through mockery diminishes much of the value of a debate. It might help Haley to have him say the usual ludicrous things that might give some voters pause, but it also gives him a stage to perform for his hyenas. However, I doubt that team Trump would want to risk the legal exposure of having him on the record yet one more time saying goofy things about J6 “hostages”, stolen elections, prosecutors, judges, and general goofiness about E. Jean Carroll, Milley, “poisoning the blood”, and being a dictator for a day.

    AJ_Liberty (bf2a34)

  140. My apologies to Gilbert and with thanks for his words from the Mikado.

    felipe (546e7a)

  141. AJ_Liberty (bf2a34) — 1/14/2024 @ 6:21 am

    Good comment, AJ.

    felipe (546e7a)

  142. Kevin, I apologize for mocking you. It was wrong of me, and I repent of it.

    felipe (546e7a)

  143. Former Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan endorses Nikki Haley for president
    …………….
    “I’m convinced the momentum is with Nikki Haley,” he added, pointing to a path for Haley to get “a distant second” in Iowa, possibly win New Hampshire and then have momentum going into her home state of South Carolina.

    Pressed by CNN’s Jake Tapper to clarify whether he was endorsing Haley, Hogan replied, “I really did not want to see a multi-car pile-up that would just enable Donald Trump.”

    …………..“Yes, it is time for the party to get behind Nikki Haley.”
    …………..
    ………….. Hogan brushed off speculation that he was considering getting into the race on (the No Labels)ticket.

    “I’m focused on trying to nominee the strongest possible Republican, which is why I’m urging everyone to get behind Nikki Haley,” he said.
    #########

    LOL! How big does he think the Larry Hogan wing of the Republican Party is-it’s already backing Haley. The Trump wing (the vast majority of Republican voters, with Trump +48 over Haley) has already made up their minds.

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2)

  144. https://twitter.com/Wid_Lyman/status/1746324311332249863?

    Just some peaceful protestors breaking down the fence to the White House. Not like those horrific insurrectionists on Jan 6th so no arrests were made.

    NJRob (ff684d)

  145. felipe (546e7a) — 1/14/2024 @ 6:11 am

    There is actually an old drug called “antabuse” that purports to help people stay sober, primarily by making consumption of alcohol an intestinal disaster.

    And while AA has no opinion on that, or any other external issue, many in AA view it as decidedly stupid. Although not as bad as the denatured alcohol that was sold during Prohibition, which attempted to deter consumption by threat of blindness. Alcoholics in search of their drug are not easily deterred.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  146. In their current forms, debates are tending to be more annoying than enlightening.

    I think that is mostly the fault of the participants. Sure, the format allows one debater to ruin the opportunity to enlighten by dragging everyone down into a morass of vituperation (Vivek and DeSantis this time, Trump last time), but the format itself is not causing it.

    I also think that Haley made a terrible mistake taking DeSantis’ bait in the last go-around. SHe had an opportunity to stick to issues and diss him with “There you go again” when he started up with the attacks. Her shtick is being the adult in the room and she went seriously off-message by joining the food fight. Instead, she could have done the Presidential thing and allowed DeSantis to look like a spoiled child.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  147. Just some peaceful protestors breaking down the fence to the White House.

    I guarantee you that if they went over the fence in droves and assaulted the Secret Service, there would have been serious repercussions. If they had managed to get inside the building, there would have been a lot of company for Ashli Babbitt.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  148. Seventh News Item:

    South Africans Rally Around Government’s Genocide Allegations Against Israel

    South Africans this week rallied around their government’s decision to take Israel to the International Court of Justice for alleged genocide in the Gaza Strip, with many saying they were motivated by their own country’s struggle against apartheid.
    …………
    At a protest outside the U.S. consulate in Johannesburg on Saturday, demonstrators, many of them waving Palestinian flags, said they felt proud of their government for seeking to end the Israeli military’s campaign in Gaza. Speakers at the rally condemned the U.S. for continuing to supply Israel with weapons.
    …………
    The broad enthusiasm around the government’s stance on the conflict, especially among urban South Africans, has been a rare boost for the governing party, the African National Congress. The party risks losing its absolute majority during elections later this year for the first time since Nelson Mandela was voted in as the country’s first Black president in 1994.

    But Sithembile Mbete, a senior political-sciences lecturer at the University of Pretoria, said the issue was unlikely to sway voters who have been disenchanted by the ANC over corruption scandals that have plagued the party and the government’s failure to provide adequate public services, including a reliable electricity supply.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (978f8c)

  149. It is really hard to look at Israeli policies in the West Bank, particularly the settlements and the unequal application of the Law there, and not see similarities with Apartheid and its Bantustans.

    That doesn’t mean that Stopping settlements will lead to peace, of course — they removed all the previous settlements in Gaza, and look what happened. But they are not helpful.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  150. OTOH, a lot of Republicans support what Biden is doing in Ukraine and Israel. That does not mean they will vote for him because of that. They may end up doing that, but not for that reason.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  151. Final NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Caucus Poll

    Boosted by his standing with evangelical Christians, first-time caucusgoers and registered Republicans, former President Donald Trump holds a nearly 30-point lead in the final NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa poll before Monday’s GOP caucuses.
    …………..
    The poll shows former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley narrowly edging past Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for second place, although the gap is within the poll’s margin of error.
    …………
    ……….. Trump gets first-choice support from 48% of likely Republican caucusgoers — followed by Haley at 20% support, DeSantis at 16% and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy at 8%.
    ……………
    Haley’s 20% first-choice support in the poll is up 4 points from December’s poll, and she overperforms among independents (with 33% of them picking her as their first choice) and those with college degrees (27%).

    Strikingly, half of Haley’s supporters identify as either independents (39%) or Democrats (11%) — significantly different from the poll’s overall makeup, which stands at 69% Republicans, 23% independents and 5% Democrats among likely GOP caucusgoers.
    ………….
    While 32% of all likely Republican caucusgoers say they’re “extremely enthusiastic” about their candidate, nearly half of Trump’s supporters — 49% — say that about the former president.
    ………….
    By contrast, 23% of DeSantis’ supporters say they’re extremely enthusiastic about the Florida governor. And just 9% of Haley’s backers say they’re extremely enthusiastic about her — down from 21% who said that about her in December.
    ………….
    Eighty-two percent of Trump’s supporters say their minds are made up, versus 64% of DeSantis’ supporters and 63% of Haley’s backers.
    ………….
    Trump holds the highest net favorable/unfavorable rating among the GOP candidates at 69% favorable, 29% unfavorable (+40). He’s followed by DeSantis at 58% favorable, 36% unfavorable (+22); Ramaswamy at 52% favorable, 36% unfavorable (+16); and Haley at 48% favorable, 46% unfavorable (+2).

    Haley’s mark is down considerably from her 59% favorable, 31% unfavorable rating in December (+28), after facing a wave of TV attack ads over the last month.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (978f8c)

  152. “I also think that Haley made a terrible mistake taking DeSantis’ bait in the last go-around.”

    She was in a tough position. If you do not answer the charges you look like you cede the point, like you are unwilling to confront a bully (weak), like you are evasive (what else are you hiding).

    There’s nothing wrong with calling out an opponent’s desperation, but she should have used more humor to dull the sharp edges and prickliness. She obviously went to DesantisLies.com way too often and did not choose to redirect the conversation in a more positive direction. I agree she let him get under her skin and made it so that nobody looked especially good.

    But I’m not sure it’s terrible. Certainly some people support Haley because she is likable and this worked against it.

    But my point was broader than did the debate help or hurt my preferred candidate. The debates are too repetitive. They really should focus on the 2 or 3 policies where there are clear ideological or philosophical differences and probe those issues more deeply. What do these candidates actually know and how do they think on their feet? Memorizing opposition research is a pretty low bar as it goes now. Yes, there needs to be some vision statement and some connection between your resume and why you are well qualified. I’m still at a loss why Ramaswamy believes he’s well qualified and how GOP voters have been fooled to believe he is.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  153. The GOP primary needed to quickly consolidate to a two-person race. Iowa will likely get it there. After that point, people will either stick with Trump or start suffering remorse and want a new path. Some people were confident that Christie would last up to NH. He didn’t. Some people were sure that DeSantis would finish 2nd in Iowa. He may not after spending how many 10’s of millions of dollars and getting the Governor’s endorsement. People who view Trump as unfit for office should get behind Haley to beat him. If Trump is in fact a terrible candidate, then the choice will become really clear really soon.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  154. (The debates) really should focus on the 2 or 3 policies where there are clear ideological or philosophical differences and probe those issues more deeply.

    The reason the debates have focused on the trivial is that there are really no deep ideological or philosophical differences between Trump, DeSantis, or Haley, only matters of degree.

    Ramaswamy feels he is as qualified to be President as Donald Trump was in 2016.

    Rip Murdock (978f8c)

  155. If Trump is in fact a terrible candidate, then the choice will become really clear really soon.

    Trump hasn’t been a terrible candidate, based on his political performance to date. In fact, he’s been extremely successful, even while avoiding debates and despite his indictments.

    Rip Murdock (978f8c)

  156. People who view Trump as unfit for office should get behind Haley to beat him.

    The problem is that the vast majority of Republican voters don’t view Trump as unfit for office.

    Rip Murdock (978f8c)

  157. Both DeSantis and Haley have adopted Trump-like policies, so there is no reason for Trump voters to abandon him when they can vote for the real thing.

    Rip Murdock (978f8c)

  158. I feel betrayed.
    Kalen de Boer spends just two years at the UW and then replaces Nick Saban. F-ck him.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  159. I’m still at a loss why Ramaswamy believes he’s well qualified and how GOP voters have been fooled to believe he is.

    Don’t know about the first part, but his appeal is to naive cynics — the people who think that everything is rigged against them, especially those things that they don’t understand, like science or economics.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  160. The problem is that the vast majority of Republican voters don’t view Trump as unfit for office.

    Or don’t care.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  161. Both DeSantis and Haley have adopted Trump-like policies

    You conflate DeSantis and Haley when they have quite different platforms. But then you only know that you don’t like Haley.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  162. Trump hasn’t been a terrible candidate

    In the primary, where his base matters, his appeal is much different than in the general election where his base is a distinct minority.

    Preaching to the choir is easy.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  163. @153: We are in violent agreement.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  164. there are really no deep ideological or philosophical differences between Trump, DeSantis, or Haley

    I find this surprising. Show your work. Start with foreign policy.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  165. That Sauron person was sure amazing, controlling Middle Earth with one eye.
    Just one of his ring wraiths could take out Dan Gable just by standing too close.

    P.S. For those who don’t know, Dan Gable is an Iowa wrestling legend, but Trump is so enamored with dictators and gangsters that he put Gable on the wrong end of a hypothetical match with Capone, which is akin to Trump being in Boston and dissing Larry Bird.

    Here’s one reason why Trump may have trouble hiring new staff if he somehow wins. Please GOP, Nikki is a more than acceptable alternative for the nomination, and she has a better chance at beating Biden than Trump does.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  166. “The problem is that the vast majority of Republican voters don’t view Trump as unfit for office.”

    Or they don’t really understand what that means. Their ecosystem is keeping them ignorant. Somehow honesty, honor, and character no longer matters. There’s a reason why Haley beats Biden by +17pts and Trump wins within the margin of error. Trump does not win enough independents and moderates.

    “there are really no deep ideological or philosophical differences between Trump, DeSantis, or Haley”
    Ukraine is a very big difference between Haley and the others. There’s not even a small waffle in her position. The same with the importance of NATO. I would further stipulate that Trump is eying pulling us out of S. Korea which would be another big difference. Trump accommodates Putin. Haley won’t.

    I think ultimately Haley and Trump would work illegal immigration differently. I think Trump will go to far. Haley has emphasized compassion even though she did say even long-term resident illegals would be shipped back.

    But the big one will be what is done to the Dept of Justice. Trump will light it on fire. Haley won’t. Trump will amnesty the J6 rioters; I don’t think Haley will. Trump will go too far on sanctuary cities; Haley won’t.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  167. Texas natinoal guardsmen forcibly stop border patrol officers from going to the aid of a mother and her two children trying to cross rio grande river and forced to watch them drown (CBS news.) A day after gov. abbot (r-turdas) say biden wont let him get away with shooting migrants. CBS nightly news ABC nightly news.

    asset (f0090c)

  168. “Even if you die voting for me, it will be worth it.”
    –Donald J. Trump, leader of Death Cult Trump, today

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  169. “Even if you die voting for me, it will be worth it.”
    –Donald J. Trump, leader of Death Cult Trump, today

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 1/14/2024 @ 1:51 pm

    Never mind who says that. We know who says that. The insane. The question is what kind of mindless morons hear that and still keep on supporting him. (And we’ll be hearing from a couple or three of them here soon I imagine.)

    nk (b8c949)

  170. Trump palled around with Rosatti of the Colombo crime family, and so did Judge Cannon’s husband.

    Now that Trump has flashed a NY Mafia pal (murderer Sammy Gravano of the Gambino family) to threaten Judge Engoron, is it finally time to mention that Trump’s NY mob ties also touch his “friendly” Judge Aileen Cannon? Her husband worked for John Rosatti of the Colombo family. 1/

    It’s a connection worth investigating. So is this.

    Journalists have been respectfully not naming the young aide to Trump who had classified files on her laptop but when she wipes her 2019 trip to St. Petersburg, Russia off her LinkedIn it’s time to name Chamberlain Harris. Many of us screenshot it. 1/

    Ms. Harris is “allegedly the Trump aide employed by Trump®️ Save America PAC who scanned/uploaded documents to laptop/thumb drive after working @WhiteHouse45”.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  171. Classified files and laptops are not supposed to be in the same place.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  172. asset, there is a LINK button above the comment box. Learn to work it.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  173. I wonder how polls, responded to in the warmth of one’s own home, compare with a caucus somewhere else at 20 below. Trump’s cult may willingly throw themselves on the snow for Trump to trod warm and dry, or they may stay home and watch football or the Emmys. Hard to say.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  174. The race card, of course:

    Atlanta DA Defends Hiring of Special Prosecutor in Trump Case

    Fulton County, Ga., District Attorney Fani Willis defended her decision to hire Nathan Wade as a special prosecutor, saying in a speech Sunday morning that the lead lawyer in her office’s racketeering case against former President Donald Trump and others is well qualified to serve in the role.

    One of the defendants in the case alleged in a court filing last week that Wade and Willis had been in a continuing romantic relationship since before Willis hired Wade, and that both had benefited financially from the arrangement. The filing also alleged that Wade didn’t have the proper experience for the job.

    Willis responded for the first time to the allegations in a speech at Atlanta’s Big Bethel AME Church, attributing criticisms against Wade to racial bias. Willis and Wade are both Black.

    “I appointed three special counsels, as is my right to do, paid them all the same hourly rate. They only attacked one of them,” Willis said at a service commemorating Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday. “Is it that some will never see a Black man as qualified, no matter his achievements?” Willis never mentioned Wade by name.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  175. The problem is that the vast majority of Republican voters don’t view Trump as unfit for office.

    Or don’t care.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 12:21 pm

    That’s exactly correct.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  176. The other problem is that the vast majority of Democrat voters doesn’t view Biden as unfit for office. Or don’t care.

    Meanwhile “Independent” leads “Republican” and “Democrat” by double digits.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  177. there are really no deep ideological or philosophical differences between Trump, DeSantis, or Haley

    I find this surprising. Show your work. Start with foreign policy.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 12:30 pm

    I’m certain foreign policy, including Ukraine, isn’t a top issue among rank and file voters. Their top issues are the economy, immigration, and crime.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  178. “Even if you die voting for me, it will be worth it.”
    –Donald J. Trump, leader of Death Cult Trump, today

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 1/14/2024 @ 1:51 pm

    That’s the spirit!

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  179. Their top issues are the economy, immigration, and crime.

    Economy: Doing great. Inflation down, employment up, stock market at record levels.
    Immigration: The biggest domestic issue
    Crime: Most of this is local.

    Even on domestic issue, you leave out important things where they mostly differ: trade, energy, “climate change”, pandemic response, Medicare & Social Security, entitlements in general, taxes, etc.

    And whether or not we stay in NATO or toss Ukraine to the Soviets Russians matters a great deal.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  180. And whether or not we stay in NATO or toss Ukraine to the Soviets Russians matters a great deal.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 4:29 pm

    Haven’t seen any polling on NATO, among Republican voters Ukraine doesn’t really matter. According to the December 2023 Quinnipiac University poll, support among all voters for aid to Ukraine is at 55-24; while Republicans reject aid 41-52.

    Nearly one-third of voters (32 percent) think the United States is doing too much to help Ukraine, 25 percent think the U.S. is doing too little, and 35 percent think the U.S. is doing about the right amount to help

    Just because we (those who post here) think it’s important doesn’t mean Republican voters feel the same way.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  181. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 4:29 pm

    I’m sure you get a lot of argument from Republican voters about how great economy is whether crime is an important issue or not. It’s not about facts, it’s about how voters perceive the issues.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  182. We need to work on finding ways to build common purpose.

    Several years ago I was convinced that getting through a pandemic would be our common purpose, with the same goal in mind. I was soon disabused of that foolish naïveté.

    Dana (8e902f)

  183. The logic is straightforward: Some workers are not worth much per hour. If you price them out of the job market, they can no longer afford even minimum housing. And so, become homeless. This would explain, for example, why homelessness is so high in California. And why our big cities no longer have many “flophouses”. Or even trailer parks.

    I don’t think this follows in cities where the cost of housing is astronomical. Looking at you, So. Cal. A person making the newly increased minimum wage would’ve been able to afford a decent starter home (2/1, small lots). However, those builds are not popular any longer as they sell for so little (relatively sneaking). Also, when you’re referring to “pricing them out of the job market,” I assume you mean something like replacing them with automated service or thinning out staffs as a result of higher wages??

    Dana (8e902f)

  184. Even on domestic issue, you leave out important things where they mostly differ………

    I was speaking of voter issues in general; I don’t think foreign policy (or Ukraine) is an issue Republican voters are worried about, outside of support for Israel.

    Maybe DeSantis and Haley should have mentioned their differences on other issues during the debates in more than just sound bites. Perhaps an Oxford style debate on each issue?

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  185. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 4:29 pm

    Don’t forget the one issue they agree on-pardoning Donald Trump.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  186. “support among all voters for aid to Ukraine is at 55-24; while Republicans reject aid 41-52.”

    Ukraine illustrates the the US’s commitment to our alliances, here NATO. If we cut our financial support and hide out at our southern border, the Chinese will have no problem reading what that means relative to Taiwan. We will be tested over Taiwan. From Bloomberg

    “War over Taiwan would have a cost in blood and treasure so vast that even those unhappiest with the status quo have reason not to risk it. Bloomberg Economics estimate the price tag at around $10 trillion, equal to about 10% of global GDP — dwarfing the blow from the war in Ukraine, Covid pandemic and Global Financial Crisis.”

    One of the most important tasks at hand is to pressure China in every conceivable way to not make a move on Taiwan. One of the pillars of that pressure is to remain resolute against Putin’s Ukraine aggression. Haley made the case in the last debate…maybe some here missed it.

    Again, the infotainment arm of right-wing media is occupied with tracking Hunter Biden, villifying Anthony Fauci, impeaching Alejandro Mayorkas, and wrestling with the crisis of J6 “hostages”. It’s not serious and few at influential papers, magazines, or blogs are trying to hold it to account. This isn’t Nikki Haley’s fault but a systemic breakdown.

    Responsible people should do everything in their power to stop Trump…not clear his path…

    AJ_Liberty (cbec6b)

  187. @172 I don’t see any button. ABC news 1/14/2023 Texas official spokes person The guard looked for their bodies in the river after they drowned ;but they washed ashore on the mexican side. Why did you stop border patrol from rescuing the women and children? Take it up with the guard.

    asset (355a26)

  188. Haven’t seen any polling on NATO, among Republican voters Ukraine doesn’t really matter. According to the December 2023 Quinnipiac University poll, support among all voters for aid to Ukraine is at 55-24; while Republicans reject aid 41-52.

    But the CANDIDATES have very different views, while you said they’re all the same. 41-52 is not “indifferent.” Trump and Haley would take the country in wildly different directions on this and a number of other issues.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  189. Don’t forget the one issue they agree on-pardoning Donald Trump.

    Haley will “consider” it. It sure would help if she had Trump’s full support in the election.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  190. I was soon disabused of that foolish naïveté.

    Who knew that millions would view the vaccine as a trap? It’s almost as if their opinion of the sky’s color depended on who won the election.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  191. Rip, just admit there are deep differences between the candidates and move on. You have a real problem admitting when you’re wrong.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  192. However, those builds are not popular any longer as they sell for so little (relatively sneaking).

    When the LOT costs close to $2 million, and the cost of building includes years of wrangling with NIMBYs and city officials, and new prevailing wage laws, it’s amazing anything can be built. But certainly no one goes through that for a few thousand dollars profit. Having to cover a 7% interest nut for the duration of the project means you won’t be getting anything cheap.

    Bought a new construction 2700sf house in ABQ for under $350K (“free” in a So Cal sense) in 2018. Had my pick, and there were alternatives for substantially less. Of course, here, the politicians don’t obstruct.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  193. “Ukraine illustrates the the US’s commitment to our alliances, here NATO. If we cut our financial support and hide out at our southern border, the Chinese will have no problem reading what that means relative to Taiwan.”

    It’s too bad we have a president who will cut off Ukraine aid in order to keep his open borders policies. Those policies send a message to China and other bad actors, and they appear to be listening.

    lloyd (0bffd6)

  194. Rip, just admit there are deep differences between the candidates and move on. You have a real problem admitting when you’re wrong.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 7:15 pm

    Fine, there are deep policy differences between Haley and DeSantis (not that it will matter much for the primaries), but DeSantis and Trump are closer to the views of the Republican electorate than Haley on Ukraine, for example.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  195. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 7:12 pm

    Haley made a more definite promise to pardon Trump less than a couple of weeks ago:

    …………
    At a CNN town hall event (on January 4, 2024), Haley explained her promise to pardon Trump — even insisting she would only do so if he’s found guilty — by claiming “it’s not about guilt or innocence”:
    ………….

    …………
    For me, it’s not about guilt or innocence. It’s about what’s in the best interest for the country. And I don’t think our country will move forward with an 80-year -old president sitting in jail that allows our country to continue to be divided. We have to move on past that.

    And so I honestly do believe, just likethey did with Nixon, you’ve got to say what’s in the best interest of the country. And I think pardoning Trump and moving on is in the best interest of our country if we’re going to heal and if we’re going to get back together, and get out of the chaos.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  196. Source for quote in post 195. Paragraph breaks also added.

    Rip Murdock (7d5060)

  197. It sure would help if (Haley) e had Trump’s full support in the election.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 7:12 pm

    LOL! Trump would never support anyone who “betrayed” him; in Haley’s case by running against him after she said she wouldn’t. And do you think Trump would forgive any of the anti-Trump comments (such as they were) by Haley during the primaries?

    If in unlikely circumstance Trump isn’t the Republican nominee I would expect him to run as an independent.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  198. @187 “Why did you stop border patrol from rescuing the women and children?”

    The Texas National Guard says the Biden administration story is inaccurate. Given what the administration said about horse whips used against Haitians, they’ve shown they will lie for political advantage.

    lloyd (0bffd6)

  199. @198 inaccurate is not a defense its an excuse. Did guard stop border patrol from rescuing the mother and her children from the river? Abbot denies any wrong doing,says ask guard. Guard says we are under order from abbot. ABC news, CBS news, AP news, US news. Border Patrol denied entrance to get to river to rescue drowning woman and children by guard.

    asset (355a26)

  200. According to the Department of Homeland Security, Border Patrol agents received a distress call from Mexican authorities about a woman and two children who were trying to cross into the United States near the entrance of Shelby Park, which Mr. Abbott recently closed to curb migration.

    Homeland Security said that when Border Patrol agents tried to respond to the call, they were “physically barred” by Texas Military Department agents from accessing the area. But the military department said when Border Patrol agents requested access, the migrants had already drowned, adding that claims that it had prevented the agents from saving them were “wholly inaccurate.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/14/us/migrants-drown-texas-dispute.html

    nk (4a79d4)

  201. I will believe what the Border Patrol agents themselves have to say about the incident. Homeland Security under this administration has zero credibility. The agents who were put on leave in the horse whip nonsense still have not been reinstated, though they were cleared. This administration will lie at the drop of a hat and ruin hard working LEOs careers and lives without thinking twice.

    I wish the migrants could’ve been saved. They are human beings seeking a better life, and they must’ve been under the impression it was easy to cross, get processed and get in. We’re at this stage of national psychosis where border patrol is expected to assist border crossers, when that is not their job. That doesn’t mean they let people drown. That means we blame the people responsible.

    lloyd (04f091)

  202. @127

    I would also guess that public health statistics from underdeveloped countries are not as reliable as those from developed countries. They don’t have the resources to develop sophisticated health monitoring systems.

    Rip Murdock (c7ebb2) — 1/13/2024 @ 8:48 pm

    Thats a lot of bs there.

    Africa has seen governments and a ton of NGO (UN, WHO, etc) develop statistics to monitor diseases like Yellow Fever, Cholera, Ebola, etc…

    whembly (5f7596)

  203. @160

    The problem is that the vast majority of Republican voters don’t view Trump as unfit for office.

    Or don’t care.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 12:21 pm

    I don’t care.

    Democrat policies is worst than another 4 years of Trump. Claims of “Democracy would die”, or “Trump will turn into a dictator” are nothing more than hyperventilating nonsense.

    whembly (5f7596)

  204. @174

    The race card, of course:

    Atlanta DA Defends Hiring of Special Prosecutor in Trump Case

    Fulton County, Ga., District Attorney Fani Willis defended her decision to hire Nathan Wade as a special prosecutor, saying in a speech Sunday morning that the lead lawyer in her office’s racketeering case against former President Donald Trump and others is well qualified to serve in the role.

    One of the defendants in the case alleged in a court filing last week that Wade and Willis had been in a continuing romantic relationship since before Willis hired Wade, and that both had benefited financially from the arrangement. The filing also alleged that Wade didn’t have the proper experience for the job.

    Willis responded for the first time to the allegations in a speech at Atlanta’s Big Bethel AME Church, attributing criticisms against Wade to racial bias. Willis and Wade are both Black.

    “I appointed three special counsels, as is my right to do, paid them all the same hourly rate. They only attacked one of them,” Willis said at a service commemorating Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday. “Is it that some will never see a Black man as qualified, no matter his achievements?” Willis never mentioned Wade by name.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 3:26 pm

    Notice something missing?

    Not one word to defend or denounce her relationship with Wade.

    Not one word to defend or denounce her getting “kick backs” from Wade via fancy trips.

    Also, Wade was held in contempt of court last year as well.

    How does anyone think this RICO case can stand, when there’s obvious PARTISAN and PERSONAL conflict of interests here?

    whembly (5f7596)

  205. “Even if you die voting for me, it will be worth it.”
    –Donald J. Trump, leader of Death Cult Trump, today

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 1/14/2024 @ 1:51 pm

    OH! MY! GAWD!!!

    The actual video of this sordid affair should not be watched by the faint of funny-bone.

    “MeidasTouch” is an incredible resource, Paul. Great find.

    BuDuh (060a99)

  206. On MLK day, I am saddened to say that, since the passage of the civil rights laws, we have regressed, mostly because people on the left have been trying to move us back to what political machines — in the north and south — often did: passing out goodies on the basis of how much the different tribes supported the organizations.

    I am happy to say that most voters — when given a choice — reject those old ways of doing things. And am happy that Washington state voters agree with me.

    So far.

    Jim Miller (3b785f)

  207. Whembly,

    She was speaking at a black church. Hardly the place to defend yourself from a charge of adultery. She says she will respond in court filings — I am willing to wait to see what she says there. It probably needs to be done soon, or she will lose control of events.

    Appalled (72bfcc)

  208. On this day, it is appropriate to honor one of our great first ladies, Lou Henry Hoover.

    Fo example: “On Wednesday, June 5, 1929, Jessie De Priest received a handwritten invitation requesting her attendance at a traditional tea hosted by First Lady Lou Hoover for the spouses of Congressmen. The tea was scheduled for 4 p.m. the following Wednesday.[3] Hoover chose to deliver the invitation to De Priest in secrecy so close to the event date to avoid boycotting of the four earlier scheduled Congressional teas by Southerners angry with the presence of a Black woman in the White House.[9] The event and guest list were carefully planned to avoid embarrassment of the Hoovers or the De Priests during the tea and to avoid political fallout from citizens and representatives holding beliefs of white superiority.”

    (De Priest’s husband, Oscar, a Republican representing a Chicago district, had a remarkable life.)

    Jim Miller (3b785f)

  209. 204.
    whembly (5f7596) — 1/15/2024 @ 6:34 am

    anyone think this RICO case can stand, when there’s obvious PARTISAN and PERSONAL conflict of interests here?

    Oh, it can stand, but it also might be dismissed if a judge rules that the case is the result of or involves prosecutorial misconduct (that outrages the conscience, I think)

    I think minor figures (who might have been included to make a bigger, (and more lucrative) case have a better chance of obtaining a dismissal.

    Dismissals in this grounds are more likely after conviction.

    This is all just my general impression.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  210. @208

    Whembly,

    She was speaking at a black church. Hardly the place to defend yourself from a charge of adultery. She says she will respond in court filings — I am willing to wait to see what she says there. It probably needs to be done soon, or she will lose control of events.

    Appalled (72bfcc) — 1/15/2024 @ 7:50 am

    Of course, this is a calculated attempt to rehabilitate herself.

    But, nothing stopping her, outside of church, of mounting a vigorous defense. The non-defense is extremely loud.

    whembly (5f7596)

  211. @199

    @198 inaccurate is not a defense its an excuse. Did guard stop border patrol from rescuing the mother and her children from the river? Abbot denies any wrong doing,says ask guard. Guard says we are under order from abbot. ABC news, CBS news, AP news, US news. Border Patrol denied entrance to get to river to rescue drowning woman and children by guard.

    asset (355a26) — 1/15/2024 @ 12:00 am

    You need to vet your sources and not let your partisan leanings bend you out of shape.

    The Border Patrol requested access AFTER the bodies were found:

    UPDATE: “Claims that TMD prevented Border Patrol from saving the lives of drowning migrants are wholly inaccurate. At the time that Border Patrol requested access, the drownings had occurred, Mexican authorities were recovering the bodies, and Border Patrol expressed these facts… pic.twitter.com/hxBfd5GkT7

    — Ali Bradley (@AliBradleyTV) January 15, 2024

    whembly (5f7596)

  212. For those who’s worried about a potential 2nd Trump term foreign policy wise…

    Is Biden better?

    I think not:
    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/01/15/biden-begins-to-cave-on-israel-support-n605044

    whembly (5f7596)

  213. lloyd (04f091) — 1/15/2024 @ 6:08

    … the migrants …must’ve been under the impression it was easy to cross, get processed and get in.

    They were mostly correct, until Texas Governor Greg Abbott put obstacles in the river

    I think the Administrationn claims that these obstacles also prevented rescue (they were drowning on the Mexican side of the river|) which may or may not be correct. And if correct may be only because they were issued orders not to go past the barrier, but they have in reality.

    We’re at this stage of national psychosis where border patrol is expected to assist border crossers,

    The psychosis is that maybe they should not. contrary to all humanitarian principles.

    when that is not their job.

    It wasn’t the kjob of the Carpathia to assist survivirs from the Titanic.

    That doesn’t mean they let people drown.

    Why not? Don’t they want to deter people from illegally crossing the border? If you want to make i+ more dangerous, isn’t there going to be a transition period during which people actually die. That’s what Europe does. ttps://apnews.com/article/charity-rescue-impounded-italy-antimigrant-0039d1268bdafb6f6a2c78c7eb0414c9

    Spanish charity protests Italy’s impounding of rescue ship for multiple rescues

    That means we blame the people responsible.

    Governor Greg Abbott of Texas od course and his advisers. And Donald Trump,and Stephen Miller, for making it politically attractive for Greg Abbott to do this.

    aND sTEPHEN mILLER, FOR STIRRING UP PEOPLE ON THIS ISSUE AND THE rEPUBLICAN |pARTY IN GENERAL AND TALK RADIO.BBOTT OF tEXAS OF COURSE, AND HIS ADVISERS.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  214. Please free my post 214. Thanks.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  215. https://apnews.com/article/charity-rescue-impounded-italy-antimigrant-0039d1268bdafb6f6a2c78c7eb0414c9

    Spanish charity protests Italy’s impounding of rescue ship for multiple rescues

    Some of the traffic has been diverted to the United States as a resut of the planned drownings, even though it’s more expensivve and time consuming for the migrants.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  216. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/14/2024 @ 3:26 pm

    Willis never mentioned Wade by name.

    Well, of course. trying to subsume him with the others. (there are 3 specially hired prosecutors)

    It’s clear the bigger the case, and the larger the number of defendants, the better the justification she has for hiring them.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  217. Actuaally, it’s a potential Democratic substitute for Biden whos more likely to cave ion Israel. Biden already broke off personal contacvt with Netanyahu after a December 23 call in which Netanyahu refused to release oney to the Palestinian Authoority (more or less on the grounds that its siding financially with Hamas

    There’s unity for now, on getting Hamas to give up power in Gaza. However the USA only wants to pursue the top leadership and find he hostages.

    Of course, Iraan could leave any \American president with virtually no choice, and Iran may try to push its luck.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  218. whembly (5f7596) — 1/15/2024 @ 8:12 am

    You need to vet your sources and not let your partisan leanings bend you out of shape.

    The Border Patrol requested access AFTER the bodies were found:

    Yes, I didn’t check, and you’re right, statements by the White House Pres Secretary cannot be trusted. To be the whole truth at any rate.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  219. Great article about the Trump’s Immunity case.

    tl;dr: We really need to consider the tradeoffs, and Andy breaks it down really well.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/01/what-might-give-trumps-immunity-claim-traction/


    No one is saying the system is perfect. It is, instead, a trade-off: To have the executive branch operate effectively, we should forfeit whatever power there may be to prosecute presidents criminally over their official acts — because we have managed to get through nearly a quarter-millennium without prosecuting a president, because we have other means of avoiding or dealing with presidential excess, and because the specter of rogue prosecutors run amok is more real than that of rogue presidents ordering political murder.

    whembly (5f7596)

  220. If in unlikely circumstance Trump isn’t the Republican nominee I would expect him to run as an independent.

    “All but three states—Connecticut, Iowa, and New York—had some form of sore loser law as of August 2014”

    The last candidate who tried to challenge the law lost in court.

    https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_adopted_sore_loser_laws

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  221. LOL! Trump would never support anyone who “betrayed” him

    Then he can whistle for that pardon.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  222. She was speaking at a black church. Hardly the place to defend yourself from a charge of adultery.

    Still, she said that he (and she) were being singled out due to their race, when the complaint focused on their behavior. When someone plays the race card, I assume that’s the best they got.

    Besides, the defense attorney has no gain in a racial attack.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  223. Jim Miller (af1ef3) — 1/13/2024 @ 3:34 pm

    So the Houthis may be missing their former slaves.

    The alves in the Arab world were invariably dark skinned – certainly in the last 500-1,000 years. The Jews used to free their slaves Slavery came to be based on religion. Jews redeemed their captives. Thee way slavery became limited only to blacks is that Moslems did not convert their black African slaves or maybe they considered them different enough so that they could be slaves even though Muslim.

    Prince Bandar bin Sultan, (born 1949) the former Saudi AMbassador to the United States, who probably murdered Vincent Foster in 1993 and in 2012, planned later the killing of the U.S.AMbassador to Libya, is half black.

    His mother was a slave whom King Faisel,I think, or maybe it was the previous king, forced his brother to free and marry.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  224. If a state can adopt a sore loser law, it can also disqualify a previous president who ran for re-election and lost.

    What it cannot do is decide a 14th amendment issue, although it could do so based upon an opinion by some authorized person or persons that he was disqualified from holding office based on Section 3 of the 14th amendment.

    At the same time, it may be that they cannot stop Electors from voting for whomever they want – but I think courts have ruled that they can make a law that says that by voting for someone else other than whom they are pledged to effectively resign as electors.

    I expect that, if Biden wins, Trump will challenge the election results like he did in 2020. And if Trump wins, Democrats will try to disqualify Trump based on the 14th amendment. (they now need 20% of each House of Congress to make an objection, but if there is a serious effort, they could get it, although it would be much harder to in that vote – and besides how could they challenge the Electors?)

    It won’t do them much good if they don’t find something wrong with the VP too – otherwise say, Elise Stefanik will serve as Acting President with Trump occupying a back office in the White House and talking with foreign leaders etc. Although the effect would probably be to tame Trump and things would operate much like in the first Trump Administration.

    The best route t a peaceful and accepted transition is if the election is thrown into the House of Representatives. Most or all state by state results won’t be challenged then, and campaigns will concentrate on trying to win the House and Senate votes.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  225. At the time that Border Patrol requested access, the drownings had occurred,

    What about at the time they noticed. And requested access from whom?

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  226. Dems could give Haley a boost in Iowa caucuses

    Some Iowa Democrats and independents are planning to crash the state’s Republican caucuses Monday night and become “Republicans for a day” to vote for Nikki Haley — but mostly, against former President Trump.
    …………
    Iowa allows day-of party registration for voters, and Democrats aren’t holding in-person presidential caucuses this year.
    …………
    Crossover voters are highly unlikely to help Haley catch Trump, who’s consistently had a big lead in Iowa polls.

    But GOP strategist David Kochel said that if crossovers see Haley as the best Republican alternative to Trump, they could help her finish a solid second in Iowa, ahead of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.
    ………….
    If Haley benefits from crossover voters, it could feed into Trump’s claims that Democrats are helping to prop up her campaign.
    …………

    Now that is election interference.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  227. ooooooooof…

    Biden’s current Presidential approval rating has a delta of 17.5%.
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    Trump’s worst Presidential approval rating, right before the end of his term, has a delta of %18.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    Great job America.
    : slow clap :

    whembly (5f7596)

  228. Now that is election interference.

    Why? It’s federalism. You got a problem with federalism?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  229. And if DeSantis or Trump won’t get cross-over votes, that demonstrates their weakness in the general election. It should be a measure of how far the Democrat Party has moved left (and the GOP base has moved fascist) that a center-right candidate attracts people in the center.

    Do you think polarization is a good thing that needs to be amplified?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  230. Biden has the disapproval of all Americans when it comes to his supporting the invasion at our southern border. Yet McConnell and his team of backstabbers want to double down on Biden’s failed policies and reward him with more green cards, higher numbers of invaders and so for for absolutely nothing that will benefit Americans.

    NJRob (3d52e4)

  231. Kevin,

    leftists would vote for Haley in the primary because she’s the weaker candidate. They are leftists that will support Biden, Obama or Mao Se Tung if they are on the Democrat ballot.

    NJRob (3d52e4)

  232. Nikki Haley is the stronger candidate in a general election, by a few percentage points. That’s what we see in all polls.

    In the primary, among (self-identified?) Republicans she is strong (relatively speaking) among voters who graduated from college, and even more among voters who had postgraduate degrees (which could be various things – teachers but not most nurses; professionals but not accountants for example – but she is extremely weak among Republicans with no college. Nationally, she is at 28% among Republicans who graduated from college (to Trump’s 39%) and beats but 3% among those without (even a 2-year degree) to Trump’s 76%

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  233. How does Haley do among voters broken by partisanship?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  234. and beats Trump in NH among college graduates by 12 points, and by 16 boints 41-25) among thosen who had completed some ppostgraduate work(CNN poll in NH)

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  235. Sammy,

    should Israel be forced to follow the same open border policies you believe America must?

    NJRob (3d52e4)

  236. Happy MLK day. I remember how we got it. Little movement from white america on MLK day until younger african americans started wanting a Malcolm X day instead.

    asset (fa359c)

  237. https://www.megynkelly.com/2024/01/15/nikki-haley-can-a-man-become-a-woman-iowa/

    The kind of guts you want in a leader. Hahahaha.

    NJRob (3d52e4)

  238. More walk-backs expert testimony on Covid:

    – Dr. Collins agreed with Dr. Fauci that the “6 feet apart” social distancing recommendation promoted by federal health officials was likely not based on any science or data.
    – Dr. Collins reaffirmed his previous statements attacking the Great Barrington Declaration — a publication that encouraged protection of the vulnerable and limited restriction on young and healthy Americans.
    In an email to Dr. Fauci in 2020, Dr. Collins stated that a “quick and devastating published takedown” of the Great Barrington Declaration was necessary.
    – Dr. Collins minced words over the definition of gain-of-function research in an effort to hide the NIH’s involvement in funding the dangerous research in Wuhan.
    This wordplay mimics Dr. Fauci’s profuse defense of his previous Congressional testimony where he claimed the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan.
    – Dr. Collins agreed with Dr. Fauci’s concession that the COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis is not a conspiracy theory.
    – Dr. Collins acknowledged that Dr. Fauci invited him to attend the infamous February 1, 2020 conference call that prompted the “Proximal Origin” publication.
    This testimony directly contradicts Dr. Fauci’s previous statements and raises further concerns about the U.S. government’s role in suppressing and vilifying the lab-leak hypothesis.

    lloyd (8c6f0b)

  239. I heard that Ray Epps personally took the gain of function from Anthony Fauci’s basement laboratory and delivered it to HAARP so Nikki Haley could change the weather in Iowa during the caucuses.

    nk (4a79d4)

  240. nk (4a79d4) — 1/15/2024 @ 2:39 pm

    On further thought, I think that I had better clarify that that was mockery and sarcasm and that I did not hear any such thing.

    nk (4a79d4)

  241. I’m guessing nk is from Thuringia or somewhere around there.

    lloyd (8c6f0b)

  242. #242 A wise precaution, nk.

    Jim Miller (53074b)

  243. Congratulations to the new Miss America.

    Jim Miller (53074b)

  244. Why? It’s federalism. You got a problem with federalism?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/15/2024 @ 11:49 am

    It’s not even federalism-party participation rules are generally enforced by state parties, not state laws (though it varies by state).

    I just don’t think the Republican nominee for president should be decided by non-Republicans.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  245. The Loser is fibbing again, this time about terrorist attacks.

    I suppose I should have said, “as usual”. The Loser really does think most of us are, to use a technical term, suckers.

    Jim Miller (53074b)

  246. nk (4a79d4) — 1/15/2024 @ 3:01 pm

    Good point-some here don’t know or understand sarcasm or mockery and would have taken offense.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  247. With Fauci retired for over a year and all federal Covid mandates ended, the only point of the Rear View Mirror Committee is to stir up recriminations and resentments, because that’s the octane in the fuel that MAGA runs on.

    nk (4a79d4)

  248. “With Fauci retired for over a year and all federal Covid mandates ended”

    And, with the millions dead no longer being dead, I suppose.

    lloyd (8c6f0b)

  249. Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 1/15/2024 @ 12:36 pm

    Based on the polling there are far more Republican voters without a college degree than with one, otherwise Haley would be closer to Trump in the national polling averages (Trump +51 over Haley and DeSantis).

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  250. Hard sell:

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Sunday defended his family’s role in authorizing government surveillance of Martin Luther King, Jr., calling it a necessary step amid the political tensions of the Civil Rights era.
    ………….
    He argued that the Kennedy administration had a legitimate reason to go along with Hoover’s determination to surveil King. The FBI director saw King as a dangerous radical with Communists in his inner circle.

    “My father gave permission to Hoover to wiretap them so he could prove that his suspicions about King were either right or wrong,” he continued. “I think, politically, they had to do it.”
    ……………
    By defending his family’s participation in what is widely considered a shameful episode in presidential history, Kennedy may complicate his efforts to present himself to the electorate as a political truth teller who stands up for marginalized constituencies.
    ……………

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  251. And if DeSantis or Trump won’t get cross-over votes, that demonstrates their weakness in the general election. It should be a measure of how far the Democrat Party has moved left (and the GOP base has moved fascist) that a center-right candidate attracts people in the center.

    I doubt Democrats who caucus for Haley (or vote for her in NH) are making that kind of political calculus. They are just screwing with the Republican primary process because they can.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  252. Trump now has majority congressional GOP support

    Former President Donald Trump won his 135th congressional Republican endorsement on Sunday — giving him a majority of congressional GOP support just one day before the Iowa caucuses.
    ………….
    The support that Trump has amassed among congressional Republicans far surpasses that of his primary opponents. Adding recent endorsements with a prior tally from FiveThirtyEight.com, Trump now has the backing of 111 House Republicans and 24 Senators. (There are currently 220 sitting Republicans in the House, and 49 in the Senate.) By comparison, Gov. Ron DeSantis has the support of 5 House Republicans and no senators. Former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, meanwhile, has the backing of 1 House Republican and no senators.
    …………
    Trump’s endorsements partly reflect his frontrunner status in the primary, with members of congress seeing little to gain by backing candidates likely to lose. But Trump has also benefited from his past incumbency. Many lawmakers supporting Trump developed relationships with him while he was president.
    ……………

    When Trump’s endorsements start switching to DeSantis or Haley, then you will know his influence is waning. Until then……….

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  253. “With Fauci retired for over a year and all federal Covid mandates ended”

    And, with the millions dead no longer being dead, I suppose.

    lloyd (8c6f0b) — 1/15/2024 @ 3:28 pm

    All right! If that’s the history you want to write, that’s the history we will write:
    We never had a 45th President.
    We had a figurehead President In Name Only who gave speeches at rallies, played golf, went to dinners, and watched TV (when he wasn’t taking naps).
    He let unelected bureaucrats and incompetent appointees set the policies and run the government.

    But that’s hindsight. What constructive thing, emphasis on constructive, can we do going forward?

    I can think of only one thing: DO NOT ELECT THIS GUY TO THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN! You see? It’s easy if you do the analysis.

    nk (4a79d4)

  254. That’s the problem with popular democracy. The near left of the Bell Curve forces us to take a bad joke of a human being like Trump seriously.

    nk (4a79d4)

  255. Congratulations to the new Miss America.

    Why do they always look like Glinda?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  256. Nikki Haley is the stronger candidate in a general election, by a few percentage points. That’s what we see in all polls.

    The real question is how the Republican candidates will do if the economy is noticeably better and a few more things go right for Biden. Right now a lot of Trump’s supporters, argue that Biden has made a mess of everything. Suppose that wasn’t as widespread a belief?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  257. That’s the problem with popular democracy.

    The problem with a two-party, first-past-the-post system is that the results are nowhere near the center of the Bell curve. There’s a peak on the Left, and a peak on the Right and a null in the middle.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  258. “With Fauci retired for over a year and all federal Covid mandates ended”

    And, with the millions dead no longer being dead, I suppose.

    So, wait. You blame the deaths on the mandates and not on the hundreds of millions who got sick? What the F is the color of the sky in your world?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  259. How Trump Became Unstoppable in Iowa
    ……………
    If the polls are to be believed, Trump is poised to win Monday night’s caucuses by the largest margin in the contest’s history, potentially putting him in position to quickly wrap up the GOP nomination. It is a result so anticlimactic as to seem inevitable: the front-runner who never lost his lead, the hapless rivals who spent hundreds of millions only to consume each other. Given Trump’s unshakable hold on his core supporters and his stature as a former president, there was never any other plausible outcome, said Rick Wilson, an anti-Trump former Republican operative and founder of the Lincoln Project: “This whole primary has been Kabuki,” he said, because “40% of the Republican base will set themselves on fire for that man.”
    …………..
    In retrospect, insiders say, the groundwork was laid for DeSantis’s defeat before he even got in the race. “The miscalculation was that the victory in Florida and the record in Tallahassee were enough to carry him to the nomination,” said a former operative for a DeSantis-aligned effort who spoke on condition of anonymity. “It would have taken a perfect campaign to beat Trump, but it was a winnable race.”
    ……………
    Perhaps the campaign’s most decisive moment came in late March, when a Manhattan grand jury made Trump the first-ever former president to be criminally indicted………..

    The reflexive defense of Trump (by DeSantis, Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy and Mike Pence) would repeat as the former president faced more and more criminal charges—as well as civil trials for rape and fraud—over the ensuing months. This dynamic of his political opponents taking his side would ensure that Trump wasn’t merely inoculated but actually gained strength politically…………
    ………….
    Events, too, worked to Trump’s advantage. President Biden’s declining popularity made the incumbent appear increasingly beatable, undermining DeSantis’s and others’ argument that Trump couldn’t win in November. ……….
    ………….
    ………….(M)ost campaign observers doubt (Haley) can topple the front-runner, given that she appeals mainly to college-educated, moderate and anti-Trump voters, a minority in the GOP in most states.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  260. “So, wait. You blame the deaths on the mandates and not on the hundreds of millions who got sick?”

    Way to let a thread go over your head.

    lloyd (a7de82)

  261. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12966279/Joe-Biden-hits-RECORD-LOW-approval-rating-33-percent-devastating-poll.html

    More disasterous polling for Joe Biden. He’s harming the nation so badly that no amount of favorable media can cover for him. Yet some still call for him to win relelection, or worse will support his eventual replacement from Michelle Obama or Kamala Harris.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  262. With Fauci retired for over a year and all federal Covid mandates ended, the only point of the Rear View Mirror Committee is to stir up recriminations and resentments, because that’s the octane in the fuel that MAGA runs on.

    nk (4a79d4) — 1/15/2024 @ 3:26 pm

    Did you feel the same about the 9/11 Commission? China developed a virus that killed millions. How did that happen? Who was involved? Was there a cover up?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  263. @NJRob What do you want to see happen?

    Nic (896fdf)

  264. I want to see the Niners win the Super Bowl. The Rangers win the Stanley Cup. I want to see us colonize other worlds. I want to see people accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

    These are all things I want to see happen.

    What was your question in reference to?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  265. I felt a lot of things about the 9/11 Commission, but never that it was a sloppy kiss by a bunch of self-serving crapweasels on the orange butt of a loon trying to con his way back into the White House.

    nk (bb1548)

  266. @NJRob@266 Fauci and the Covid situation you’ve posted about several times in this thread.

    Nic (896fdf)

  267. We can’t investigate the origins of Covid and whether taxpayer funding of WIV had something to do with it, because MAGA might score a point. That’s some serious right end of the bell curve thinking.

    lloyd (6eb178)

  268. Seems to me like we can’t further investigate the origins of Covid because the ChiComs have stonewalled any attempts, which does speak in a way to their culpability.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  269. Nic,

    it’s important to have the truth. Period.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  270. The lack of negative ads against Trump by his opponents really paid off

    The GOP ad gurus who spent tens of millions on ads that did everything except critique Trump covering themselves in glory tonight.
    They had no choice, they say! If they criticized Trump they would’ve gotten slaughtered, they say!
    Congrats on the biggest blowout loss in caucus history

    TBF, the biggest critic of Trump, Christie, withdrew the week before. The cult is too strong.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  271. I say again, the cult is too strong.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  272. Christie was there to sell books, nothing more. His target audience is NeverTrump who will eat it up and he’ll make $$$.

    https://www.amazon.com/What-Would-Reagan-Do-President/dp/1982160667?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=2e734ecf-7cbe-4c42-8b4e-1e9d518fb6ed

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  273. NeverTrump is a small audience, Rob, too small.
    The real money in your conservative echo chamber is sucking up to Chief Orange. Just ask Charlie Kirk and a host of others.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  274. Correction: …conservative right-wing echo chamber…

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  275. Did you feel the same about the 9/11 Commission?

    There was a blatant coverup there, too, with Bill Clinton’s handwritten reasons for not killing bin Laden destroyed by Sandy Berger.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  276. I want to see us colonize other worlds

    Can’t use the “C” word any more.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  277. Correction: …conservative right-wing echo chamber…

    Correction: Fascist echo chamber. Nothing conservative or “right-wing” about it (except maybe in the MSM perversion of that word).

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  278. Unsurprisingly, Iowa sucks. One step closer to a felon in chief. Bravo, let the beclowning continue.

    AJ_Liberty (307a3c)

  279. AI_ Bourgeoisie has spoken.

    “Fvck Iowa and their peasants”

    BuDuh (060a99)

  280. Iowa tonight desatan in his speech sounded like a serial killer under interrogation and looked like alferd e newman. What me worry! Nikki haley I will be available when the deep state “deals” with trump so I have to play nice. Trump dead man walking.

    asset (337a06)

  281. Unsurprisingly, Iowa sucks. One step closer to a felon in chief. Bravo, let the beclowning continue.

    The only way forward is a combined Haley-DeSantis (or, less likely, DeSantis-Haley) ticket. Yes, it’s grasping at straws, but I’m not yet ready to bow down to the fascists.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  282. “Fvck Iowa and their peasants”

    Iowa is pure — rural, high school education, fly-over country. Even Trump flew over, seldom stopping there. It’s not America, or at least not all of it.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  283. @283 do you really think the deep state will allow trump a second term. They have to much to lose.

    asset (337a06)

  284. But do most MAGA people know that Fauci has retired? If they don’t, they are not going to learn it from the accusations?

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  285. But do most MAGA people know that Fauci has retired? If they don’t, they are not going to learn it from the accusations?

    That’s not important to them, Sammy. They only want someone to hate. Anyone will do. Fauci is only the convenient scapegoat.

    nk (efe02c)

  286. Regarding the Iowa couscouses, let’s not discount the power of subliminal appeal. Iowa consistently ranks as the top pork (and consequently lard) producing state in the US. To many Iowans, Trump evokes, deep down below conscious thought, a blue ribbon at the state fair.

    nk (efe02c)

  287. For all the doomerism here…

    Just know that Trump leads the fray in the delegates race by a whopping eleven delegates.

    IN 2016, Ted Cruz won Iowa.

    I wouldn’t throw in the towel yet.

    whembly (5f7596)

  288. I didn’t know there was an “I’m retired” out for lying in sworn testimony. WIV was cast as a MAGA scapegoat years ago. That’s how we ended up with a lab leak theory news blackout and its proponents banned from social media. Nothing has changed. Meanwhile, we’re still funding EcoHealth.

    lloyd (3634c5)

  289. “That’s not important to them, Sammy. They only want someone to hate. Anyone will do. Fauci is only the convenient scapegoat.”

    You offered zero content regarding this topic other than puerile MAGA hatred, so quit projecting.

    lloyd (3634c5)

  290. whembly (5f7596) — 1/16/2024 @ 6:15 am

    More doomerism:

    DeSantis’s polling in New Hampshire (-37) and South Carolina (-43) is even farther behind Trump than he was in Iowa, so it’s going to take a lot of hope for him to even win any delegates in those states.

    And with Ramaswamy’s support probably going to Trump (4.7% and 3% respectively) it will make it that much harder.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  291. You offered zero content regarding this topic

    Sorry. I have no pictures of Fauci getting oral sex from prostitutes, and MTG has already shown you the ones she has of Hunter.

    nk (efe02c)

  292. Doubling down on puerile is the right move, nk

    lloyd (3634c5)

  293. Pretty apt description of where we’re at…innit?
    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/its-trumps-world-were-just-living-in-it/

    Michael Brendan Dougherty:

    I cannot think of a time when politics was as denuded of issue-substance as it is now. Neither party is even pretending to offer a suite of policies aimed at solving our pressing problems. Instead, the election is turning into a raw contest of two aged men: Trump vs. Biden, which somehow represents the rawest of all political contests: us vs them.

    whembly (5f7596)

  294. #295

    A lot of us here believe that to support Trump is to support evil and the likely end of the Republic.

    That kind of drowns out issues, even important ones that are not being addressed like immigration.

    #289

    I don’t see selling my feelings in a Republican primary. I think the best argument for peruadable Republicans is the “Trump sews chaos and he will lose and bring down the GOP with him.” As Rip constantly reminds us with his polling, Biden loses thsese head on head polls with Trump, so that’s not compelling. Telling folks that they support evil and need remedial civics classes is kind of a loser too.

    The only way MAGA learns is to lose. And if they lose by just a bit, they don’t learn much, becaue there is always the stolen election fantasy to go back to.

    Putting Trump in jail after a fair trial from a jury of his peers over real charges (e.g., not anything happening in New York) might jolt some people into something resembling sanity. Trump’s affinity for slandering people, especially when replicated by news sources, might also put a dent in some of this. But it hasn’t happened yet.

    So I get pessimistic some days.

    Do note. Though Trump led in a “blow out” in Iowa, he only got 51%. Out of Republicans.

    Appalled (100f1b)

  295. @296

    #295

    A lot of us here believe that to support Trump is to support evil and the likely end of the Republic.

    That kind of drowns out issues, even important ones that are not being addressed like immigration.

    Care to elaborate on the following?

    -Please provide examples why you think “to support Trump is to support evil”?

    -If Trump is back for 2nd term, why would it be “likely the end of the Republic”?

    Because, right now, all I see is hyperventilating angsts…

    whembly (5f7596)

  296. @296

    Do note. Though Trump led in a “blow out” in Iowa, he only got 51%. Out of Republicans.

    Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 8:03 am

    I don’t think you should minimize this “blow out” in quotation, as if it’s suspect whether or not it truly was a blow out.

    The most impressive stat, imo, is that he won 98 of 99 Iowan district. And the losing district, he lost by ONE.

    That’s… impressive.

    I doubt that’ll carry over to other states or GE, but right now, I hesitate to bet against it.

    whembly (5f7596)

  297. whembly,

    After all this time, and after the networks call the race for him well before the caucuses concluded, if Trump can only win over 51% of GOP voters, that shows a certain amount of weakness. That’s why blow out was in quotes. I’m not calling the results suspect.

    As for your other, I know you weight Biden’s immigration policies as more important than Trump’s “I am your vengeance”, “I’ll be a dictator for one day”, “January 6 people are hostages”, and his prediction of “bedlam” if the courts do not rule in his favor are things that lay behind my perception of Trump and his vision as evil and the end of the Republic. Your mileage does vary from mine. Wish it didn’t.

    Appalled (100f1b)

  298. @296, I endorse this comment.

    This is the rational conclusion to our current state. Things may change but likely Trump gets very close to sowing up the nomination prior to any trials gaining steam. Outlets like The Dispatch and Bulwark have little to no sway over Republicans supporting Trump. National Review is not an effective voice in countering Trumpism. Fox is an enabler. Talk Radio promotes the bad habits that sustain Trumpism. The tail is wagging the dog in the Evangelical community. Religious people irrationally fear existential irrelevance more than they fear the chaos of Trump. There’s no candidate that can break through the misinformation and cult of personality. There’s no magic strategy when supporters take criticism of Trump so personally.

    Biden makes the possibility of a blowout victory for Democrats a long shot. He’s not popular and he’s too proud to do the right thing and drop out or at least cut anchor on Harris. Third-party candidates are an even longer shot to win and may pose unknowable and unwanted consequences on the anti-Trump vote. The Right must be split without attracting too much Democrat support. Team Trump may get desperate if they see that they will likely lose. things more horrible than J6 are looking possible.

    Pessimism is well warranted. The GOP needs an overhaul, but all we see is good people being driven out and Trump wannabees coming out of the woodwork. The William Safire’s and William F. Buckley’s of previous generations have been replaced by Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan podcasts. Experts are derided. Conspiracy is elevated to fact. Hyper-partisan raging is the norm. False equivalency reigns. We can’t get to discussions about policy because we can’t agree on reality and basic facts. Good faith is dead. We are inevitably heading for something breaking…most likely financial but I would not discount an international crisis or another natural crisis where incompetent leadership costs us dearly. That’s the only thing that might snap the drunkeness we see on social media and in our politics. It’s a sad conclusion but if you play with fire….

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  299. Do note. Though Trump led in a “blow out” in Iowa, he only got 51%. Out of Republicans.

    Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 8:03 am

    Which is a record for the Iowa caucus, the first time someone won more than 50% of the vote and the largest winning margin (29.8 points, more than double the 12.8-percentage-point win by Bob Dole in 1988).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  300. @299

    whembly,

    After all this time, and after the networks call the race for him well before the caucuses concluded, if Trump can only win over 51% of GOP voters, that shows a certain amount of weakness. That’s why blow out was in quotes. I’m not calling the results suspect.

    As for your other, I know you weight Biden’s immigration policies as more important than Trump’s “I am your vengeance”, “I’ll be a dictator for one day”, “January 6 people are hostages”, and his prediction of “bedlam” if the courts do not rule in his favor are things that lay behind my perception of Trump and his vision as evil and the end of the Republic. Your mileage does vary from mine. Wish it didn’t.

    Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 8:40 am

    Trump’s a boorish, bombastic New Yorker who says a lot of…outlandish things.

    ALWAYS HAS. Stop expecting him to not be.

    But that he’s “evil”? Like one of Stalin/Hitler/Mao’s evil?

    Seriously, please expound.

    And you keep bring the “end of the Republic”. What is that? Do you see a Civil War?

    whembly (5f7596)

  301. if Trump can only win over 51% of GOP voters, that shows a certain amount of weakness.

    Uhh, no. It was a crushing win.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  302. Biden makes the possibility of a blowout victory for Democrats a long shot.

    No polls have shown any such thing. It will be as close as the 2020 election no matter who the Democrats run.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  303. To win over 50% of the vote among four candidates is pretty impressive, not a sign of weakness.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  304. Rip —

    Trump is essentially an incumbent, given that he was President before. Incumbents that score only half of their party’s vote do suggest a possible quest for “someone else”.

    His vote is less impressive than you think — this isn’t 2000, 2012 or 2016.

    That said, I think Trump’s the nominee. (Note — pessimism)

    Appalled (100f1b)

  305. #302 —

    I expect Trump to attempt to be a dictator and try to arrest people who get in his way. (Not what I would expect from your guy DeSantis, or “Darling Nikki”) I don’t see Civil War, but I do see secession as possible if the reason Trump wins is an Electoral College hiccup.

    What do you expect? Normal GOP politics? Status quo stalemate?

    Appalled (100f1b)

  306. I expect Trump to attempt to be a dictator and try to arrest people who get in his way.

    IF Trump becomes POTUS again, I guarantee that his every move will be seen as an attempt to be dictator. What used to be “the bully pulpit of the Presidency” will be characterized as “the throne of the dictator.”

    If anyone gets arrested, it will be said that it was Trump who ordered it, and not any process of justice.

    No. It will not be the end of the Republic – it won’t even be the end of the opposition. Another four years of Trump will only be a pause in the current madness punctuated by the shrieks and convulsions of Gollum with a tattered, loose, cord about his neck. “It burns us! It freezes us!”

    And we weep for him.

    felipe (4480c4)

  307. Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 8:59 am

    Still, in a field of four candidates, 51% is pretty impressive, and as I said, record setting (certainly in the context of the record-setting caucus weather too).

    Trump won every category of Iowa voters:

    College degree 35% (+4 over Haley)

    No College degree 63% (+50 over Haley)

    Moderates: 44% (+13 over Haley)

    Conservatives: 56% (+42 over Haley)

    Urban: 54% (+33 over Haley)

    Suburban: 37% (+10 over Haley)

    Small town/rural: 59% (+43 over Haley)

    Gender identity in schools: 57% (+42 over Haley)

    Trump’s role on January 6th illegal: 10% (-49 behind Haley)

    Ron DeSantis came in third in all the categories. Where is the weakness?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  308. Let me clarify:

    Another four years of Trump will only be a pause in the current madness punctuated by the shrieks and convulsions of [Democrats who will be like] Gollum with a tattered, loose, cord about his neck. “It burns us! It freezes us!”

    felipe (4480c4)

  309. Hm, Trump does remind me of Gollum, though “my precious” is his rally crowds rather than a ring.

    Appalled (72bfcc)

  310. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 1/16/2024 @ 9:55 am

    That last apparently didn’t matter to Iowa voters.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  311. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 1/16/2024 @ 8:44 am

    Uhh, no. It was a crushing win.

    It was as good for Trump as you could expect. He cracked 50%. Haley came in third.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e)

  312. “If anyone gets arrested, it will be said that it was Trump who ordered it, and not any process of justice.”

    Do you believe that Trump will have a “normal” acting attorney general? Or will it be a true believer like Jeffrey Clark. Would an acting attorney general act to indict someone like General Milley or General Kelly? How does “the system” protect against rogue prosecutions attempting to settle political scores? You might see resignations at DoJ, but will the administration care? Will they just use the opportunity to get more loyalists in place? Can there be impeachment proceedings? Maybe, but what Senate Republicans left in office seem up for removing Trump? Will Fox, Tucker, and Talk Radio turn against Trump because of Milley or will they help make the case that what Milley did was IN FACT treason….like they’ve done for J6 and everything else.

    The fact that CNN, WaPo, and NYT will be against Trump doesn’t mean anything substantive to his supporters as those organizations ARE the enemy….and Trump would be doing something wrong if those organizations weren’t against him. So it’s not clear based on what Trump is saying at his pep rallies, who exactly will check him. Almost everyone in the GOP who tried to oppose Trump has either retired or has been beaten in a primary. You got people in Iowa saying they’d be ok with Trump as a dictator because Biden is one now. How can you argue with that logic.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  313. Majority of Iowa GOP caucus-goers don’t believe Biden legitimately won in 2020

    Preliminary Iowa Republican caucus entrance polls on Monday highlighted the grip former president Donald Trump maintains on Republican voters and the extent to which his false claims that the 2020 election was rigged have dominated the GOP electorate.

    Nearly two-thirds of Iowa caucus-goers said President Biden did not legitimately win the election in 2020, according to results from network entrance polls conducted by Edison Research.
    ……….
    According to the entrance poll results, of the voters who did not believe Biden won the election, about 7 in 10 supported Trump. About 2 in 10 supported Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. On the flip side, of the voters who believed Biden won the 2020 election, the majority backed former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, followed by DeSantis and Trump.
    ………
    ………The entrance polls also revealed the extensive loyalty Trump has among the GOP base in Iowa. The poll found that about two-thirds of Iowa Republican voters would still consider Trump fit to be president even if he were convicted of a crime, while about a third said he would no longer be fit to be president. …….
    …….
    The entrance polls from Monday night found that Trump won about 7 in 10 of those caucus-goers who said he would still be fit to serve even if he were convicted. Of the roughly one-third who felt Trump would not be fit for office if convicted of a crime, about half backed Haley.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  314. “Trump is essentially an incumbent, given that he was President before. Incumbents that score only half of their party’s vote do suggest a possible quest for “someone else”.”

    Exactly. Even an unpopular Carter got 59% of the vote in Iowa in 1980 (doesn’t it show that his party was disappointed and doesn’t it foreshadow a big loss in the general to Reagan?). An incumbent has a built-in edge, so comparing it against an open-field election seems intentionally deceptive. I’m not going to argue that Trump is not in a strong position, but with half of the voters preferring someone else has to indicate that a historically big swath of the general public does not want to see him run again (along with Biden). I mean he does have huge negatives and even if he loses only 15% of the GOP, he will have a very hard time winning in November. The assumption that a historic trial with primarily Republican witnesses will not dampen his support…especially among moderates and independents….seems unrealistic.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  315. Fani’s strategy of waiting to respond to charges has some bad consequences:

    https://www.ajc.com/politics/analysis-lack-of-willis-response-lets-critics-make-hay-in-trump-probe/QYJKP4PDOZFOTCBOUH7FFRW66Q/

    If she’s guilty of an affair, she needs to face the music now. Preferably by responding to the court filing that generated the storm.

    Appalled (100f1b)

  316. Trump’s domination of the Iowa caucus, by the numbers.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  317. but with half of the voters preferring someone else has to indicate that a historically big swath of the general public does not want to see him run again

    Too bad it wasn’t the general public voting, but only Republicans.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  318. @307

    #302 —

    I expect Trump to attempt to be a dictator and try to arrest people who get in his way. (Not what I would expect from your guy DeSantis, or “Darling Nikki”) I don’t see Civil War, but I do see secession as possible if the reason Trump wins is an Electoral College hiccup.

    What do you expect? Normal GOP politics? Status quo stalemate?

    Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 9:04 am

    I expect much the same as the 1st Trump term.

    Lots of Whitehouse chaos…

    The other two branches slowing down Trump’s agenda.

    Succession leads to Civil War.

    whembly (5f7596)

  319. “Do you believe that Trump will have a “normal” acting attorney general?”

    Even the most rabid MAGA AG can’t change the makeup of a DC jury pool. Sussmann couldn’t even get convicted. Clinesmith got off with probation and is back practicing law.

    Democrats and their fellow travelers aren’t worried about prosecutions run amok. They’re only worried the prosecutions they’ve run amok might take a hiatus for four years.

    lloyd (a7de82)

  320. @314

    “If anyone gets arrested, it will be said that it was Trump who ordered it, and not any process of justice.”

    Do you believe that Trump will have a “normal” acting attorney general? Or will it be a true believer like Jeffrey Clark. Would an acting attorney general act to indict someone like General Milley or General Kelly?

    Yes. It’ll be someone who’s serious about the job.

    Again, Trump’s a braggadocios arse hole who says one thing, and does another.

    How soon we forget, “Lock her up!” chants…

    Tell me, was Hillary Clinton locked up?

    How does “the system” protect against rogue prosecutions attempting to settle political scores?

    Holy batman.

    Meet Pot…

    Meet Kettle…

    You might see resignations at DoJ, but will the administration care?

    Good. If people don’t like their leadership, resign.

    Will they just use the opportunity to get more loyalists in place?

    Look up who has executive authority.

    Everyone…and I mean everyone in the executive branch is subordinate to the President, and it’s the President’s own delegated authority that gives their job any authority whatsoever.

    The idea that the President get’s his people to help him run his office is not a… unique concept.

    Can there be impeachment proceedings?

    Absolutely.

    Maybe, but what Senate Republicans left in office seem up for removing Trump? Will Fox, Tucker, and Talk Radio turn against Trump because of Milley or will they help make the case that what Milley did was IN FACT treason….like they’ve done for J6 and everything else.

    Well… Milley will get his day in court too.

    That’s what the J6 defendants got. Right?

    The fact that CNN, WaPo, and NYT will be against Trump doesn’t mean anything substantive to his supporters as those organizations ARE the enemy….and Trump would be doing something wrong if those organizations weren’t against him.

    They’re his harshest critics… yes. That’s part and parcel of the political environment. A hypothetical 2nd Trump administration is going to have to navigate the hostile media and maybe THAT will help mitigate any extreme position/acts Trump may have been inclinded to do. Too bad we don’t have this “hostile media” working to check the Biden administration.

    So it’s not clear based on what Trump is saying at his pep rallies, who exactly will check him. Almost everyone in the GOP who tried to oppose Trump has either retired or has been beaten in a primary. You got people in Iowa saying they’d be ok with Trump as a dictator because Biden is one now. How can you argue with that logic.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 11:21 am

    Saying that “you got people in Iowa saying they’d be ok with Trump as a dictator ” is a massive projection on your part.

    I think it’s your animus towards Trump is enabling this hyperventilating projection.

    Take the emotions out of this calculus, and answer yourself this (you don’t have to share with the class):
    Are you better in your place in society under 2nd Biden term or under a 2nd Trump term?

    whembly (5f7596)

  321. @317

    Fani’s strategy of waiting to respond to charges has some bad consequences:

    https://www.ajc.com/politics/analysis-lack-of-willis-response-lets-critics-make-hay-in-trump-probe/QYJKP4PDOZFOTCBOUH7FFRW66Q/

    If she’s guilty of an affair, she needs to face the music now. Preferably by responding to the court filing that generated the storm.

    Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 11:31 am

    Is there any doubt that she isn’t guilty of the tryst?

    The judge is waiting for Willis to respond in court filing before scheduling a hearing on this. The longer she waits… is not going to be good for her. I’m wondering if there’s a lot of ‘back room’ dealings in trying to right this ship before responding.

    How long would this judge wait?

    whembly (5f7596)

  322. whembly —

    Part of what I intensely dislike about a second Trump term is the predictable uncertainty, punctuated by vitupertation and slander of the poor schmucks who get in the way. I said Trump would try to be a dictator. Obviously, there will be pushback and I have no idea how it works out. His plans for the executive branch (involving the firing of multitudes of civil service employees) have an authoritarian feel. I assume he intends to go forwrd without congressional approval.

    I also believe that a California or gneral west coast withdrawal movement will gather steam if Trump gets an electoral college but not a popular majority. (I don’t see Trump winning the popular vote because he’s never done it, but I have been wrong before)

    Appalled (100f1b)

  323. AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 11:21 am

    AJ, you might be surprised by the questions that go through the minds of anyone who hopes/fears a call/offer from Trump. Minds possessing greater political acumen than both of us combined, with plans, carefully laid and hedged. What we think matters little to them – and I dare say, even less than what we think matters to each other.

    In that, you and I are in good company.

    felipe (4480c4)

  324. Appalled (72bfcc) — 1/16/2024 @ 9:58 am

    Quite right, appalled, quite right. This really is the state of things where all fall short of honor.

    felipe (4480c4)

  325. No more debates:

    GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley said Tuesday that she would only step foot on the debate stage again if Donald Trump or Joe Biden is there.

    “We’ve had five great debates in this campaign. Unfortunately, Donald Trump has ducked all of them,” Haley said in a statement. “He has nowhere left to hide. The next debate I do will either be with Donald Trump or with Joe Biden. I look forward to it.”

    The upcoming debates are slated to take place before the New Hampshire primary on Jan. 23. ABC News partnered with WMUR-TV to host a debate on Thursday and CNN announced it would host a debate on Sunday.
    ……….
    Haley on Monday night claimed that her close third-place result had made the campaign a head-to-head race between her and Trump.

    “I can safely say tonight Iowa made this Republican primary a two-person race,” Haley said.
    ##########

    That last statement from Haley is a hoot! 🤣

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  326. #323

    There is no proof. There are allegations in court filings unsupported by evidence because reasons. One of the features in the 21st century world of scandalmongering is people claiming sealed documents or classified documents say things that they really don’t say. Adam Schiff does that a lot. So does James Comer. Since people affiliated with Trump have a history of slandering enemies, I do not believe them without supporting evidence.

    On th other hand, Fani’s race card play on Sunday is the move of a person who has been caught out.

    So, knowing that there has to be a response to this filing, I wait for it. Fani is under an obligation not to lie in the filing. I assume that she will not.

    Appalled (100f1b)

  327. Just know that Trump leads the fray in the delegates race by a whopping eleven delegates.

    He has only 20 out of 37, so he leads “other” by only 3.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  328. You got people in Iowa saying they’d be ok with Trump as a dictator because Biden is one now. How can you argue with that logic.
    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 11:21 am

    Indeed. When the wise and the foolish argue, it is difficult to tell them apart.

    felipe (4480c4)

  329. @324

    whembly —

    Part of what I intensely dislike about a second Trump term is the predictable uncertainty, punctuated by vitupertation and slander of the poor schmucks who get in the way.

    I dislike that too. Very much so, as I’m a DeSantis voter.

    I said Trump would try to be a dictator.

    I think this is such a silly declaration if you’ve only paid attention to his 1st term.

    You can state that you don’t like the guy and won’t vote for him for ‘xyz’ reasons.

    You don’t need to channel your inner Dan Rather’s fabulist takes on these things.

    Obviously, there will be pushback and I have no idea how it works out.

    Congress can check him in multitude of ways.

    The courts can check him. Do you not remember all this nation-wide injunction from mainly Hawaii??

    His plans for the executive branch (involving the firing of multitudes of civil service employees) have an authoritarian feel. I assume he intends to go forwrd without congressional approval.

    He doesn’t need congressional approval. The civil service employees must be wrangled in a way that supports the President’s agenda. The civil service staff does not, and should not, enjoy a status that is this “fourth branch” of government unaccountable to no one.

    I also believe that a California or gneral west coast withdrawal movement will gather steam if Trump gets an electoral college but not a popular majority. (I don’t see Trump winning the popular vote because he’s never done it, but I have been wrong before)

    Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 11:58 am

    So? These people are crybabies who doesn’t understand the electoral college.

    The popular vote was never MEANT to be used for the Presidency. For good reasons.

    Anyone who complains about the popular votes in the president election deserves to be laughed at for being such morons.

    whembly (5f7596)

  330. “Too bad it wasn’t the general public voting, but only Republicans.”

    Still, 48% of those voters said, yeah, maybe someone else. How can that mean nothing?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  331. “I can safely say tonight Iowa made this Republican primary a two-person race,” Haley said.

    This will be clearer after NH. DeSantis put every dime of his money and all his time into Iowa. For Haley it was an afterthought after she’d gotten NH wired. DeSantis has no future in the race and he ought to consider being someone’s VP. I don’t know if being Trump’s VP is attractive, when he can be the FL governor instead.

    As for Trump: Iowa was probably his best early state. He will do less well most places. He should have gotten more than 51%, but apparently there are Iowans who don’t like Kool-Aid.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  332. @328

    #323

    There is no proof. There are allegations in court filings unsupported by evidence because reasons.

    Appalled (100f1b) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:06 pm

    The proof, alleged by the defense attorney, is under seal in Wade’s divorce case.

    The proof, is the non-denials and silence from Willis, where she had ample opportunities to express.

    The proof, is that defense attorney seems like a successful attorney, who was very deliberate in her allegations and seems to be right over the mark. I find it hard to believe, after seeing the likes of Trump’s own “Stop the Steal” lawyers get taken to the woodshed in the same courts, that she’d make all of this up.

    The proof, is that the lead prosecutor has never tried a felony case, but was interesting tapped to lead this very complicated RICO case.

    The proof, is we have literal receipts that Wade billed many, many hours that really straddle the lines of overbilling…much more so than his two other lawyers on his staff.

    The proof, is that Wade took Willis to many, many luxurious vacations using money that Wade “earned” during his special counsel income.

    The proof, is that we have literal receipt that Wade when to see the Biden Whitehouse Counsel staff in DC prior to indictment.

    There’s a lot of proof in the pudding here… so, please spare the indignations these allegations are “unsupported by evidence because reasons. “

    whembly (5f7596)

  333. I don’t see Trump winning the popular vote because he’s never done it, but I have been wrong before

    Who cares? The system isn’t designed to make candidates strive for the popular vote. In places like CA, outnumbered voters just stay home. If some blue states refuse to let Trump on the ballot the popular vote will lose even residual meaning.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  334. “How does “the system” protect against rogue prosecutions attempting to settle political scores?

    Holy batman.

    Meet Pot…

    Meet Kettle…”

    Sorry whmbley, I’m stopping there. If you see nothing criminal about J6 or the classified document hide-and-seek or the Georgia interference, then we’re not operating from a similar reality. You say you dislike Trump, but you sure do liberally use his excuses and rhetoric. Just be ready to accept the consequences when he lets you down.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  335. @332

    “Too bad it wasn’t the general public voting, but only Republicans.”

    Still, 48% of those voters said, yeah, maybe someone else. How can that mean nothing?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:16 pm

    You mean, like just about how every early caucus/primary starts until there’s a point where there’s this “preference cascade” later?

    I’m not sure that means much.

    whembly (5f7596)

  336. “Saying that “you got people in Iowa saying they’d be ok with Trump as a dictator ” is a massive projection on your part.”

    Reporter: “Would you rather have Donald Trump as a dictator for four years or reelect Joe Biden for four years?”

    Trump Supporter: “I would rather have Donald Trump—I’d like to see them repeal the Roosevelt law so that he can be president for a lot more than four years. But we—this country needs a dictator. I hate to say that, but it’s the truth.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/this-country-needs-a-dictator-trump-fans-at-iowa-rally-say-absolutely-they-want-dictator-trump-over-biden/

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  337. If the presidential election was by popular vote, it could not longer be conducted under state rules as those rules — particularly registration — influence turnout. But that would mean that local elections, held at the same time, would ALSO be under federal control.

    If the feds were not involved, deep red or blue states would do things to get higher turnout, often at the cost of ballot integrity. There is nothing that California can do to increase it’s influence at the electoral college — 51% is the same as 89%. But in a popular vote system, they’d probably mail everyone a ballot and tax people who don’t vote.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  338. @338:

    I am reasonably sure you could find some Trump (or Biden) supporter who would say just about anything. You could get “Hitler was right” just on Ivy League campuses.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  339. @336

    “How does “the system” protect against rogue prosecutions attempting to settle political scores?

    Holy batman.

    Meet Pot…

    Meet Kettle…”

    Sorry whmbley, I’m stopping there. If you see nothing criminal about J6

    I’ve always said that these who destroyed property or assualted the offices should get the book thrown at them… but I do believe that those who tresspaassed were overcharged.

    or the classified document hide-and-seek

    There’s a ton of issues in that case that I don’t think is a slam dunk (but do think it’s the strongest for Smith).
    or the Georgia interference
    That RICO case is pure bs. It’s not illegal to petition/twist arms politically to demand Georgia to ‘do something’. Sure, it’s unethical as f**k but stretching it into a RICO violation smacks of political persecution, that “the other side” can use in the toolbox.

    , then we’re not operating from a similar reality.

    Please, climb down from your high horse… I can hear a word you’re saying now.

    You say you dislike Trump, but you sure do liberally use his excuses and rhetoric.

    Because I recognize that politics isn’t your toddler’s bean bag game. I just want folks to have the eye’s wide open that whatever tactic/justification you use to “get Trump” will be applied to “other side” and you won’t have a defense.

    Just be ready to accept the consequences when he lets you down.
    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:22 pm

    He’s already let me down by running for office.

    whembly (5f7596)

  340. @338

    “Saying that “you got people in Iowa saying they’d be ok with Trump as a dictator ” is a massive projection on your part.”

    Reporter: “Would you rather have Donald Trump as a dictator for four years or reelect Joe Biden for four years?”

    Trump Supporter: “I would rather have Donald Trump—I’d like to see them repeal the Roosevelt law so that he can be president for a lot more than four years. But we—this country needs a dictator. I hate to say that, but it’s the truth.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/this-country-needs-a-dictator-trump-fans-at-iowa-rally-say-absolutely-they-want-dictator-trump-over-biden/

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:27 pm

    So this Trump supporter speaks for all?

    Is that what you’re saying?

    whembly (5f7596)

  341. Still, 48% of those voters said, yeah, maybe someone else. How can that mean nothing?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:16 pm

    Given the fact that the 51% was a record for a any candidate in the Iowa caucus, as was Trump’s winning margin (nearly 30 points over DeSantis), yeah it pretty much means nothing.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  342. @340, did you follow the link, a number of voters expressed similar views. One said we already had a dictator so what would be the big deal. It’s increasingly how people on the far right think. It’s why Trump chooses that rhetoric. It’s power and owning the libs. You can excuse it…if you want.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  343. Just for Rip:

    https://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2024/rep/nhrep.html

    New Hampshire overall, 40% to 40%

    Preference by likely to vote:
    Likely Republican Primary Voters
    Definite Probably
    Total 91% 7%

    Christie – –
    DeSantis 4% 4%
    Haley 39% 51%
    Hutchinson 1% 1%
    Ramaswamy 4% 1%
    Trump 41% 26%
    Other 2% 6%
    Undecided 9% 11%

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  344. It would be nice if there was a CODE block button

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  345. As I’ve said before, ARG polls are extreme outliers. No other polling shows the race this close in NH.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  346. The proof, alleged by the defense attorney, is under seal in Wade’s divorce case.

    True. Which means we can’t see if it is proof or more allegations. People lie about stuff they can’t show you, or play lawyerly tricks about what it shows.

    The proof, is the non-denials and silence from Willis, where she had ample opportunities to express.

    While that’s not admissable in evidence, your honor, it is unfortunately suggestive.

    The proof, is that defense attorney seems like a successful attorney, who was very deliberate in her allegations and seems to be right over the mark. I find it hard to believe, after seeing the likes of Trump’s own “Stop the Steal” lawyers get taken to the woodshed in the same courts, that she’d make all of this up.

    Consider it the Trump effect. There may be more money in MAGA business than there are in DUIs. It’s been 10 or so years since she was winning awards.

    The proof, is that the lead prosecutor has never tried a felony case, but was interesting tapped to lead this very complicated RICO case.

    May mean they are friends, rather than lovers. People trust their friends and this is a case where trust among the staff is important.

    The proof, is we have literal receipts that Wade billed many, many hours that really straddle the lines of overbilling…much more so than his two other lawyers on his staff.

    The proof, is that Wade took Willis to many, many luxurious vacations using money that Wade “earned” during his special counsel income.

    Where’s that proof? I haven’t seen it. Nor, I expect, have you. That’s an allegation

    The proof, is that we have literal receipt that Wade when to see the Biden Whitehouse Counsel staff in DC prior to indictment.

    That’s neither criminal or unethical. It’s possible there are records held by the Executive Branch that are relevant to her inquiry.

    There’s a lot of proof in the pudding here… so, please spare the indignations these allegations are “unsupported by evidence because reasons. “

    You mistake inference for evidence.

    Appalled (100f1b)

  347. As of today in NH, the 538 average has Trump +13 over Haley and + 38 over DeSantis. That’s a lotta ground to make up in one week.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  348. My problem is that I do understand the electoral college and that my vote is worth less than the vote of someone in Idaho because of it. I don’t want it torn down, I want it fixed so that all of our votes count the same. (OH NOES, PEOPLE IN POPULOUS STATES WILL GET MORE ELECTORAL VOTES!! Yeah, that’s how representation is supposed to work.) In conjunction I also think the House needs to be fixed. I realize that means that there would be a lot more congress people, but right now it is 1. inequitable and 2. they each represent too many people. 3. They each have too much power on an individual basis and it needs to be diluted. If I can put 1000 students in the gym, surely the US government is capable of building a room for 2000 or so representatives.

    Nic (896fdf)

  349. @350

    My problem is that I do understand the electoral college and that my vote is worth less than the vote of someone in Idaho because of it. I don’t want it torn down, I want it fixed so that all of our votes count the same. (OH NOES, PEOPLE IN POPULOUS STATES WILL GET MORE ELECTORAL VOTES!! Yeah, that’s how representation is supposed to work.) In conjunction I also think the House needs to be fixed. I realize that means that there would be a lot more congress people, but right now it is 1. inequitable and 2. they each represent too many people. 3. They each have too much power on an individual basis and it needs to be diluted. If I can put 1000 students in the gym, surely the US government is capable of building a room for 2000 or so representatives.

    Nic (896fdf) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:48 pm

    Increasing the seats in the House (ie, more congressional districts) and/or changing the Electoral College isn’t practical, likely in our lifetime.

    Here’s a happy-medium that may alleviate your concerns that “may” be constitutional that can survive scrutiny, (unlike the National Vote Compact): Instead of awarding winner takes all delegates per State popular vote… award them per popular vote within congressional district. (I think Maine/NE does this now).

    Had such system been in place in last several elections, Mitt Romney would’ve won over Obama, but the winner would stay the same. (unfortunately, Trump would’ve still won under that system the 1st term).

    whembly (5f7596)

  350. @289 Really? Haley says she will only debate trump not desatan. (DU) Desatan is now blaming the media especially fox for his loss instead of himself for being to slimy. Nikki ready if something (deep state) happens to trump. Germany canada worried yahoo news and DU.

    asset (3b6757)

  351. whembly (5f7596) — 1/16/2024 @ 1:05 pm

    ward them per popular vote within congressional district. (I think Maine/NE does this now).

    There are also to extra votes for the Senators. he district system may possibly give the “wrong” result more often. Remember candidates campaign according to the current system. Furthermore, there is gerrymandering,

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  352. Nic (896fdf) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:48 pm

    My problem is that I do understand the electoral college

    It’s the one system that gives everyone an unfair advantage. (with the general ticket)

    California votes so lopsided so that even with the lost Republican votes, it undercounts the Democratic vote because the Democratic vote is really concentrated.

    The power of each individual House member is too small, and the size of the constituency is too big for there to be many competitive elections.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  353. Still, 48% of those voters said, yeah, maybe someone else. How can that mean nothing?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:16 pm

    Of that 48%, 28% went to “Trump like” candidates (DeSantis and Ramaswamy), so the “maybe someone else” vote was really only Haley’s 20%.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  354. 18% of the population in 26 states control 52 senators similar to electoral collage (msDNC)

    asset (3b6757)

  355. DeSantis is not Trump. He’s not under indictment and does not talk about abolishing the Constitution or being a dictator. I might disagree with him about Ukraine and some culture war propositions, but he is inside the Overton Window of what has been a traditional Republican.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  356. asset (3b6757) — 1/16/2024 @ 1:34 pm

    18% of the population in 26 states control 52 senators similar to electoral collage (msDNC)

    But politically they are effectively random, and small states have more competitive elections for the United States Senate. Not New York Senate even though we have an nonentity like Kirsten Gillebrand as a Senator..

    And a Republican can carry the state. Or some fusion candidate.

    Sammy Finkelman (c5132f)

  357. Haley was more like definitely someone else. Nikki Haley said so herself last night (more or less)

    Sammy Finkelman (c5132f)

  358. @Whembly@351 It’s perfectly practical, it just isn’t likely. Though if places like Wyoming and Montana keep getting California outflow and it effects the party of their representatives it may become more likely.

    @asset@356 That was the point of the Senate being configured the way it was to begin with.

    Nic (896fdf)

  359. Nic (896fdf) — 1/16/2024 @ 2:24 pm

    The California residents moving to Idaho and Montana aren’t going to change the political culture of those states. They are mostly retired fire fighters and cops.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  360. Way too little, way too late:

    Nikki Haley is trying a risky new tactic in the Republican presidential race: She’s mounting an attack on Donald Trump.
    ……..
    New Hampshire is make-or-break for Haley, which likely explains the shift toward confronting Trump. Still, her offensive exposes her to significant risk — not only in the primary, where she is polling double digits behind Trump, but in a GOP where, if the former U.N. ambassador has any future, she cannot afford to alienate whole swaths of conservatives.

    “It’s a crazy fine line she has to walk to not lose the small amount of Republican voters she has currently, but continue to drive out independent voters,” said Mike Dennehy, a veteran New Hampshire GOP strategist who is unaffiliated in the primary. “She cannot go nuclear on Donald Trump because she will lose any Republican support she currently has if she does so.”
    ………
    There are lines Haley will still not cross: She declined on Tuesday morning to say that Trump is unfit to be president. …….
    ……..
    Independents make up the largest voting bloc in New Hampshire, and are poised to play a major role in the GOP primary. Haley’s allies are already working in overdrive to secure Christie’s voters, a large majority of whom were expected, based on polling and interviews, to break for her.
    ……..
    But Trump enters New Hampshire in a dominant position, having crushed his competition by roughly 30 percentage points in Iowa. His endorsement from biotech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, the longshot contender who had drawn support from some MAGA-aligned voters before dropping out on Monday, is likely to pad his vote total in New Hampshire’s primary.

    On top of that, Haley is being forced to play defense here. ……..
    ……….
    “I am not convinced that the best way to get MAGA voters over to you is to attack them. If that was the case, Chris Christie would have had this nomination wrapped up,” (Matthew Bartlett, an unaffiliated GOP strategist from New Hampshire) said. “You’ve got to be more of a magnet than a spear.”
    #############

    Again, Haley is depending on non-Republican votes in the primary. Who wants outsiders to pick the Republican nominee?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  361. @363, Are you working for Biden to ensure Trump is the nominee? Haley is also in the Overton Window…has not been indicted, does not use terms like “poisoning the blood”, and does not want to be a dictator. She’s an infinitely better choice than Trump.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  362. ABC’s New Hampshire debate canceled after Haley skips out

    I see no reason for her to give DeSantis another chance to help Trump.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  363. her offensive exposes her to significant risk — not only in the primary, where she is polling double digits behind Trump

    Strange you should be unaware that she’s currently polling even, and ahead if you look at “likely” voters.

    As I’ve said before, ARG polls are extreme outliers. No other polling shows the race this close in NH.

    All the polls I see on RCP have Christie still in the race. Unless you think that some of Christie’s support is going to go to Trump the race is really quite close.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  364. Then again, Vivek’s support will go to Trump, or to RFK Jr, or to a few more bong hits, so it’s hard to say.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  365. But Trump enters New Hampshire in a dominant position, having crushed his competition by roughly 30 percentage points in Iowa.

    No, he crushed his competition by TWO percentage points.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  366. “It’s a crazy fine line she has to walk to not lose the small amount of Republican voters she has currently, but continue to drive out independent voters,” said Mike Dennehy, a veteran New Hampshire GOP strategist who is unaffiliated in the primary. “She cannot go nuclear on Donald Trump because she will lose any Republican support she currently has if she does so.”

    For MAGA values of “Republican.” What a shill.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  367. Nikki Haley has been underestimated this whole campaign, Trump has been overestimated, and the same people are doing so still. It’s gonna hurt when he loses NH to a girl.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  368. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/16/2024 @ 3:48 pm

    Strange you should be unaware that she’s [Nikki Haley] currently polling even, and ahead if you look at “likely” voters.

    I saw on TV: Trump: 39% Haley: 32%

    Governor Chris Sununu (who supports her) decided to predict only that she will finish a strong second.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  369. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/16/2024 @ 3:43 pm

    give DeSantis another chance to help Trump.

    There’s an argument that his being in the race helps her, (because more of his voters will go to Trump than Haley.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  370. Trump got the most votes of any candidate in 98 of 99 counties, and in one county he lost by one vote: (at least initially, but it is not likely to change)

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-narrowly-denied-clean-sweep-iowas-99-counties-1-vote

    The one county that did not go for Trump was Johnson County, where former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley led Trump by one vote with 99% of votes counted. Haley received 1,271 votes, approximately 35.5% of the vote in Johnson County, while Trump received 1,270 votes, according to GOP officials in the state.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  371. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 1/16/2024 @ 3:08 pm

    . Who wants outsiders to pick the Republican nominee?

    Peole who don’t feel close to any party.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yorks-voter-suppression-primary-registration-president-gop-2024-b934aeed

    The idea of one party’s voters messing around in another party’s primary understandably bothers some. Others think independents should suck it up and choose a party. But here’s where New York’s disenfranchisement really kicks in—and has led to my multiple registrations. To participate in the June 25 congressional primary, a voter must affiliate with a party four months earlier, by Feb. 15. New Yorkers may renew a driver’s license online, but affiliating with a political party requires printing out and mailing in a form to a county board of elections.

    It used to be before the previous November election, which in practice meant some date in October.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  372. I saw on TV: Trump: 39% Haley: 32%

    And Christie 12%.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  373. If you will recall, Hillary kept her family fed for 16 years on the “inevitability” that she would one day be President.

    The odds are very good that regardless of what happens this elections season, on November 6 Haley will be the “frontrunner”. Unlike the Trump-Kushner crime family, this in not her last hurrah. She is still hitting her stride. She does not need to be strident or impatient.

    nk (856cf2)

  374. There’s an argument that his being in the race helps her

    But another debate with him and his poo-flinging won’t.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  375. Who wants outsiders to pick the Republican nominee?

    I don’t care who pick the nominee, so long as it isn’t Trump. Frankly, the MAGA forces that have corrupted the GOP don’t deserve my deference.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  376. nk–

    It tool Maggie Thatcher a long time to overcome the Boys Club.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  377. @363, Are you working for Biden to ensure Trump is the nominee? Haley is also in the Overton Window…has not been indicted, does not use terms like “poisoning the blood”, and does not want to be a dictator. She’s an infinitely better choice than Trump.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 3:28 pm

    I agree that Haley is better than Trump, but the polls say what the polls say. Nothing I (or anyone else) post here will change that. Posters here overestimate the influence of this forum. It doesn’t have the power to change the future.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  378. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/16/2024 @ 4:43 pm

    538 has removed Christie from their polling average; and it still shows Trump +13 over Haley (and includes the ARG poll). The Emerson College poll (conducted Jan. 8-10; the ARG poll was conducted Jan. 12-15) shows Trump +16 over Haley.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  379. @363, Are you working for Biden to ensure Trump is the nominee?

    Republican voters are ensuring that Trump is the nominee, not me.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  380. More Important than votes:

    ………
    “I would still like to see (Haley) get somewhere, but the mountain she has to climb is enormous,” Andy Sabin, a New York businessman and Haley fundraiser, told CNBC. “As much as I like Haley, I don’t even know what Trump could do to stop himself right now.”

    Sabin plans to help raise money for Trump if Haley doesn’t make it through the primary season, despite previously telling CNBC he wouldn’t give the former president “a f—ing nickel.”
    ……….
    Several Haley fundraisers who spoke to CNBC conceded that, unless she gets a very close second to Trump or manages to pull off an upset win in New Hampshire, the race could effectively be over for her after that.
    ……..
    To keep many of her more affluent donors engaged, Haley must get within three percentage points of Trump in New Hampshire, said a Republican fundraising advisor whose clients include Haley donors. If she does not, these donors could turn away from Haley and try to find other ways to stop Trump, including possibly by financing a third-party effort like No Labels, said the advisor.
    ……..
    To keep the campaign going after New Hampshire, she will need their help, as well as any small-dollar donor money she can get, to try to fend off Trump in her home state of South Carolina. Trump is leading Haley in the South Carolina primary by 30 percentage points, according to a RealClearPolitics polling average.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  381. Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/16/2024 @ 4:31 pm

    Demeaning comment aside, I’ll take that bet.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  382. Still, 48% of those voters said, yeah, maybe someone else. How can that mean nothing?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/16/2024 @ 12:16 pm

    I don’t think you can consider 110,000 Iowans (less than 15% of all Iowa voters) a representative enough sample to draw any conclusions about Trump’s popularity. It was one of the lowest turnouts in more than a decade.

    Rip Murdock (62a41d)

  383. Democrat tom keen defeats anti choice republican district in central floriduh. Democrat ran on abortion which will be on the ballot in 2024 (orlando sentinal)

    asset (eff731)

  384. On chris hayes show tonight (msDNC) They showed the concerned republicans about voter fraud, voting at the Iowa caucus. Running ballot around in bags and popcorn tubs and when running out of ballots using school note book paper for people to vote on and allowing them to stuff their ballots in bags. No concern about ballot stuffing from trumpsters because voters are white. It looked like a white out.

    asset (eff731)

  385. I don’t think you can consider 110,000 Iowans (less than 15% of all Iowa voters) a representative enough sample to draw any conclusions about Trump’s popularity. It was one of the lowest turnouts in more than a decade.

    Wait, just a bit ago I heard that this caucus says “game over” now it’s “not representative”?

    Pick one.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  386. Demeaning comment aside, I’ll take that bet.

    Struck a nerve I wasn’t even aiming at.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  387. It looked like a white out.

    It’s IOWA. It’s as diverse as DC.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  388. https://twitter.com/SNFonNBC/status/1746336083799925089

    vs https://twitter.com/MlVideos27/status/1746330833659613388

    NBC edits glory to Jesus Christ out of their video. Can’t have praise of our Lord and Savior on their evil network.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  389. https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1747299413221835210?

    Here’s some Presidential polling for you.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  390. @392

    https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1747299413221835210?

    Here’s some Presidential polling for you.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 1/17/2024 @ 4:26 am

    Meh…

    I mean, that’s a really optimistic poll for Trump.

    But, the media and Democrats (BIRM) hasn’t unleashed their attacks ads yet.

    whembly (5f7596)

  391. Wait, just a bit ago I heard that this caucus says “game over” now it’s “not representative”?

    Pick one.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/16/2024 @ 11:08 pm

    I never said Iowa was “game over.” The Iowa results were entirely predictable based on the polling over the last six months. The South Carolina primary will be “game over” for some candidates.

    Those who said that 48% of those that voted for other candidates in Iowa somehow represented a yearning for someone other than Trump were wrong-winning 51% in the caucus and by 30 points had never been done before. If any candidate has momentum coming out of Iowa it’s Trump, it’s certainly not DeSantis or Haley.

    You can’t draw conclusions about how Republicans really feel about a Trump candidacy based on one of the lowest caucus participation rates in recent history, and caucus participation is frequently far less than states with voting elections. We’ll find out how much Republicans want Trump in Nevada, South Carolina, and on Super Tuesday.

    And we’ll see in less than a week if Trump “loses NH to a girl.”

    Rip Murdock (8929de)

  392. Trump beat Biden by nearly 9 points in Iowa in 2020 so that poll isn’t a big deal.

    Rip Murdock (8929de)

  393. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/01/perjury-in-a-j6-trial.php

    The Department of Justice’s prosecution of a group of Oath Keepers was one of the centerpieces of the Democrats’ effort to build the January 6 protest into an “insurrection.” It worked: the Oath Keeper defendants were convicted and sentenced to up to 18 years in prison.

    Now investigative journalist Steve Baker of Blaze News has pieced together security camera footage released by the House Republican majority that, he says, proves that a key witness for the government in the Oath Keepers trial–Nancy Pelosi’s head of security–committed perjury.

    NJRob (215b9a)

  394. Haley says US has ‘never been a racist country’
    ………
    When asked by host Brian Kilmeade (on Fox News) if the GOP is a racist party, Haley made a broader point that the US has “never been a racist country.”

    “We’re not a racist country, Brian. We’ve never been a racist country,” she said. “Our goal is to make sure that today is better than yesterday. Are we perfect? No. But our goal is to always make sure we try and be more perfect every day that we can.”
    ………
    Her campaign later affirmed Haley’s statement.

    “America has always had racism, but America has never been a racist country,” a campaign spokesman said……..
    ………

    Really? Jim Crow laws, restrictive housing covenants, Chinese Exclusion Act, “separate but equal”, reservation system, Dawes Act, Southern state Black Codes, anti-miscegenation laws, California Anti-Coolie Act, Indian Removal Act, oh, yeah, and slavery.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  395. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 1/17/2024 @ 9:07 am

    Ouch!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  396. If any candidate has momentum coming out of Iowa it’s Trump, it’s certainly not DeSantis or Haley.

    I see it as a wash for all of them. Trump got a majority in deep-Trump country. Meh. DeSantis got 20% after spending every dime he had. Haley did well, given her lesser focus, but she still came in third.

    None of them succeeded, none of them failed. NH will be a better test, and if Haley doesn’t win or tie, she’s in serious trouble. I don’t really see much going forward for DeSantis — his NH game is minimal at best. I think his move is to join with Haley as a team going into SC, akin to the Cruz-Fiorina attempt in 2016.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  397. Really?

    Yes, really. There’s a reason those things you list no longer exist. America, as a nation, overcame the momentary interests which gave rise to them and maintained her ideals.

    nk (bc7011)

  398. I think that Nikki is philosophically correct, and her answer reflects thought and intelligence.

    But it was politically wrong, and a blunder.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  399. Worth reading and watching: This story on the sad life and death of Levi Evanson.

    The narrator, Eric Johnson, makes it clear that there is blame to go around for her death. And that multiple governments failed her.

    As the death toll from opiods, especially fentanyl, soars, we need to think seriously about how to tackle this problem. I have seen very little serious discussion of it — and none from the three or four candidates most likely to win the presidency in November.

    Let me repeat, none.

    Jim Miller (bbe3be)

  400. Look… if Trump’s the nominee… I’m 99% convinced he’ll lose.

    The amount of negative onslaught from media and Democrats (BIRM) will be something we’ve haven’t experienced before. ESPECIALLY if he’s convicted in one of the 4 active cases.

    But, in a “what if” scenario on Earth 2 that Trump wins, here something that should mitigate you concerns at bit:
    https://san.com/cc/advocacy-groups-preparing-litigation-in-case-of-trump-reelection/
    That judge in Hawaii is going to be busy… 😀

    Jim Geraghty is sounding an alarm for Biden:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/biden-and-the-democrats-have-good-reasons-to-be-nervous/
    I’m not quite convinced. Neither the media or Democrats unleashed their opposition contents.

    Democrat voters are really good “coming home” to vote in the General. Just see the former Sanders voters pulling for Biden in 2020.

    I think what it’ll come down to are the nominally new/Independent voters:
    -Will they be affected by all the negative Trump ads and vote against Trump, despite Biden’s horrible policies?
    -Or, will they stick to the “kitchen table issues” that things were better under Trump and rationalize all the Trump negatives?

    I think the former is much more likely than the latter…

    God… I hate this. Just wished it was DeSantis or Haley.

    whembly (5f7596)

  401. Apple Changes Its App Store Policy. Critics Call the Moves ‘Outrageous.’

    iPhone maker will allow developers to process purchases outside of its app store but will still charge a commission

    New Google motto: “Don’t be Apple”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  402. China caught in further COVID lie:

    Chinese Lab Mapped Deadly Coronavirus Two Weeks Before Beijing Told the World, Documents Show

    WASHINGTON—Chinese researchers isolated and mapped the virus that causes Covid-19 in late December 2019, at least two weeks before Beijing revealed details of the deadly virus to the world, congressional investigators said, raising questions anew about what China knew in the pandemic’s crucial early days.

    Documents obtained from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services by a House committee and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show that a Chinese researcher in Beijing uploaded a nearly complete sequence of the virus’s structure to a U.S. government-run database on Dec. 28, 2019. Chinese officials at that time were still publicly describing the disease outbreak in Wuhan, China, as a viral pneumonia “of unknown cause” and had yet to close the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, site of one of the initial Covid-19 outbreaks.

    China only shared the virus’s sequence with the World Health Organization on Jan. 11, 2020, according to U.S. government timelines of the pandemic.

    OTOH, the US government had the information but didn’t know it.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  403. @400 Alan Colmes wrote a book: Thank the liberals. This country has always been in a fight between good liberals and evil conservatives. Here is the difference liberals are good people with not always good ideas like defund the police. Conservatives are bad people with sometimes good ideas like don’t defund the police.

    asset (5ca115)

  404. @403 If trump wins AOC will become president sooner! So its not all bad.

    asset (5ca115)

  405. Yes, really. There’s a reason those things you list no longer exist. America, as a nation, overcame the momentary interests which gave rise to them and maintained her ideals.

    nk (bc7011) — 1/17/2024 @ 9:46 am

    Haley said America was never</em> a racist country. History has proved her wrong.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  406. I think that Nikki is philosophically correct, and her answer reflects thought and intelligence.

    But it was politically wrong, and a blunder.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/17/2024 @ 9:59 am

    Haley said that America was never a racist country. History has proved her wrong. Sher also probably offended a lot of the limo liberals who intended to vote for her.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  407. If trump wins AOC will become president sooner! So its not all bad.

    asset (5ca115) — 1/17/2024 @ 12:38 pm

    If Trump wins AOC will be one of the first to be arrested as an enemy of the people.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  408. DeSantis concedes New Hampshire:

    ……….
    The move to prioritize South Carolina — and essentially forgo a heavy week of campaigning in the Granite State in the week before the primary — comes after two planned debates DeSantis accepted to attend in New Hampshire (CNN and ABC/WMUR) were canceled.

    The goal from DeSantis’ campaign is to put pressure on former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley to win her home state, implying she would leave the race if she does not, as DeSantis’ campaign has a longer term goal of getting the GOP contest to a “two person” race between DeSantis and Trump.

    “When Nikki Haley fails to win her home state, she’ll be finished and this will be a two-person race – and her donors are starting to come to the same conclusion,” a senior DeSantis campaign official said, referencing CNBC reporting about pressure from Haley’s donors.

    “While they continue to have buyers’ remorse over backing a bubble wrapped candidate who can’t beat Trump, we’re wasting no time in taking the fight directly to Haley on her home turf,” they added.
    ………

    DeSantis might as well concede South Carolina too. While he is going after Haley (+13 over DeSantis) in her home state, he really has no momentum to speak of….and neither does Haley in SC. According to the current 538 average, Trump leads DeSantis by +42 and Haley by +30.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  409. If trump wins, the Democrats will try to find some way to disqualify him on the basis of the 14th amendment, and if they succeed, which they are not likely to do, he will take an office in a backroom of the White House and act through his mostly loyal vice president.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  410. The only reason they want a 2-person race is that , even though a convention is designed to exactly do this, since 1972 votes have not been combined on a compromise choice.

    The race for the Republican nomination is almost certain to be over after Super Tuesday. They don’t even fantasize about anyone else but Trump winning the bulk of the delegates then.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  411. If trump wins, the Democrats will try to find some way to disqualify him on the basis of the 14th amendment……

    It will depend on what the Supreme Court says about Section 3.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  412. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue was swatted the other day. (with a report of a fire),

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/15/nation/dc-fire-responds-false-911-swatting-call-targeting-white-house

    https://www.wral.com/story/white-house-targeted-by-swatting-call-latest-in-nationwide-trend/21237517

    White House targeted by swatting call, latest in nationwide trend

    Washington (CNN) — A significant number of emergency personnel responded to the White House on Monday morning after a 911 call falsely claimed there was a fire and someone was trapped inside, a source familiar with the incident told CNN.

    Posted 11:38 a.m. Jan 15 – Updated 11:37 a.m. Jan 15

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  413. Ouch!

    As Republicans here seek a standard-bearer, Nikki Haley is making herself scarce, and GOP insiders say that could doom her long-shot bid to beat former President Donald Trump in Tuesday’s primary.

    Haley has forced the cancellation of two planned debates in New Hampshire — one sponsored by ABC News and the other by CNN — by refusing to go toe-to-toe with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Her schedule is light on campaign stops in a state where candidates typically pack their days with events. And, since failing to identify slavery as a cause of the Civil War last month, she has stopped taking questions on stage from voters.

    Haley’s team is gambling that less of her will end up being more…….

    That’s a bad bet, said Dave Carney, a veteran New Hampshire-based Republican strategist who described the state’s history of vetting presidential candidates through free-flowing town hall-style forums as sacred. Haley’s refusal to debate and take questions at her first post-Iowa event in the state could kill her campaign, he said.

    “As an incumbent, maybe, or somebody who’s a front-runner — sure, you’re ahead, you’re not taking any risks,” Carney, who is neutral in the race, added. “But when you’re in second place? You need to throw f—ng Hail Marys. You have five nights left.”
    ……….
    In interviews with more than a half-dozen Republican officials and party strategists familiar with New Hampshire presidential primaries, NBC News found none who thought Haley would benefit by keeping her distance from voters. But she is also dealing with the reality that her uphill battle became steeper when businessman Vivek Ramaswamy dropped out of the race Monday and threw his support to Trump.

    “Everybody in New Hampshire is disappointed” about Haley choosing not to debate, said Julianna Bergeron, a Republican National Committee member from the state who has not endorsed a candidate. She said declining to take questions from voters on the stump gives off a similar vibe and that Haley’s highly controlled campaigning could turn off voters who are still undecided.
    ………
    “She is behind,” (Michael Biundo, a longtime GOP strategist in New Hampshire said), “and to cancel on debates, and to treat New Hampshire like it’s not the first in the nation and it’s just one of the Super Tuesday states — which is what she’s treating it like — I think is a huge mistake. We have a different way of thinking here.”
    ………
    In the state that now represents ground zero in her battle against Trump, Haley since Tuesday has held one public event, with one more scheduled for Wednesday night: a rally with Gov. Chris Sununu, her most prominent New Hampshire endorser.

    Haley also has been giving a stripped-down version of her stump speech and ending without taking questions for weeks, though she often stays afterward to take pictures and make small talk with attendees………
    ………
    “Avoiding the press is not a winning strategy, and at this point hoping for a good showing is like receiving a participation trophy,” Rick Gorka, who served as a spokesperson on Republican Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, said of Haley. “Might make you feel good, but it’s pointless.”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  414. Trump leads Haley by 16 points in New Hampshire, poll shows

    Donald Trump continues to hold a commanding lead in New Hampshire less than a week until the state’s primary, according to a Boston Globe/Suffolk University/NBC-10 Boston poll.

    The former president garnered 50 percent of support among likely New Hampshire Republican primary voters. Former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley came in second place with 34 percent support and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis drew 5 percent support.

    About 87 percent of those surveyed said they were either “not at all likely” or “not very likely” to change their candidate choice ahead of Tuesday’s primary.
    ……….
    (The poll) is a daily tracking survey that’s released every day ahead of the New Hampshire primary. The polls consist of a two-day rolling average of 500 likely voters. Each poll will have a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.
    ###########

    Poll crosstabs.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  415. Haley said America was never a racist country. History has proved her wrong.

    “History” is a fable, and not always agreed:

    “America has always had racism, but America has never been a racist country,” a campaign spokesman said. “The liberal media always fails to get that distinction. It can throw a fit, but that doesn’t change Nikki’s belief that America is special because its people are always striving to do better and live up to our founding ideals of freedom and equality.https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/16/politics/nikki-haley-says-us-not-racist-country/index.html

    nk (bc7011)

  416. Anyway, if nothing else, she knows she’s running in the Party of Abraham Lincoln.

    nk (bc7011)

  417. Speaker Johnson is effectively on Putin’s side, the side of evil and war crimes and terrorism.
    I hate my party’s leaders even more than I hate my party.

    Paul Montagu (3f4f61)

  418. “Haley said that America was never a racist country. History has proved her wrong. Sher also probably offended a lot of the limo liberals who intended to vote for her.”

    Certainly it’s an unneeded own goal. Weirdly, being a person of color, her SC experience must have really affected how she feels comfortable talking about racial issues. The question of whether the GOP is racist and anything about the civil war should be easily parried away. This is an unwanted side issue distraction while the GOP house burns with Trump unabashedly playing to white supremacists and those wanting to end the Hispanic poisoning of our blood.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  419. “Donald Trump continues to hold a commanding lead in New Hampshire”

    Evil is winning. Sad.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  420. “History” is a fable, and not always agreed:
    ……
    nk (bc7011) — 1/17/2024 @ 1:39 pm

    I think the laws I listed pretty much disproved Haley’s comment that America was “never” a racist country.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  421. “History” is a fable, and not always agreed:
    ……
    nk (bc7011) — 1/17/2024 @ 1:39 pm

    I think the laws I listed pretty much disproved Haley’s comment that America was “never” a racist country.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 1/17/2024 @ 2:53 pm

    Or do you disagree that the laws were racist?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  422. Momentary interests.

    nk (bc7011)

  423. Rip has never been anti-Haley, he just reports the news.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  424. Speaker Johnson is effectively on Putin’s side, the side of evil and war crimes and terrorism.
    I hate my party’s leaders even more than I hate my party.

    The Democrats can force it by shutting down the government. Johnson needs their votes to pass any bill.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  425. Trump unabashedly playing to white supremacists and those wanting to end the Hispanic poisoning of our blood.

    Purity of Essence!

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  426. @422

    “Donald Trump continues to hold a commanding lead in New Hampshire”

    Evil is winning. Sad.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 1/17/2024 @ 2:42 pm

    Why so sad.

    Hitler is in office, doncha know?

    whembly (5f7596)

  427. @425

    Momentary interests.

    nk (bc7011) — 1/17/2024 @ 2:56 pm

    nk… this is politics.

    You can hold an understanding that Nikki isn’t discounting history and may have, flubbed this a bit.

    Politics will parse out statements and try to *twist* it as unfavorable as possible.

    Like, when media said Trump included white supremacist when he said “there’s good people on both sides” of the issue.

    What we should hold Nikki to account, is for her be this sloppy to give her opponents this layup.

    whembly (5f7596)

  428. Rip has never been anti-Haley, he just reports the news.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/17/2024 @ 3:01 pm

    So says the Haley whisperer.

    I would have made the same point if DeSantis, Trump, or any other candidate made such an idiotic statement. This more than parsing a statement, she flat out said that America was never a racist country. You can’t get more explicit than that.

    This is on par when Ramaswamy said that the US Constitution is “what won us the American Revolution.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  429. Combined with Haley’s past comments on the Civil War (“tradition v. change”), this is not “sloppiness.” It’s either what she was taught or believes. Given her defense of secession and the Confederate flag, I think it reflects her beliefs.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  430. @410 Jamie Dimon who calls himself a sometimes democrat says democrats (and I will add never trumpers) have gone to far in their attacks on trump who was basically right on most thing (I will add only somethings.) Attacking trump’s supporters as racists ( I add like joy reid) Is counter productive. Many maga’s support trump for what he tried to do and are not a personality cult. (I will add both are ex democrat populists) CNN, CNBC and others. This is thinking outside the bubble or rats leaving the sinking ship which ever you prefer.

    asset (87352e)

  431. @419 in 1964 the republican party traded Abraham Lincoln for strom thurmond. In 1980 reagan after nomination went down to phildelphia mississippi where the three civil rights workers were murdered and welcomed the klansmen into the republican party.

    asset (87352e)

  432. There was racist exploitation of the masses by plutocrats for as long as they profited from growing cotton, building the railroads, grabbing the Indians’ land, and pillaging the country’s natural resources; and also by politicians and would-be politicians including generals looking to grab their piece of the action by way of the government; but America herself was their co-victim and not their co-perpetrator.

    nk (bc7011)

  433. RIP Joyce Randolph (99). She played Trixie, the wife of Ed Norton (Art Carney) on The Honeymooners. She was the last surviving member of the original cast.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  434. @419 in 1964 the republican party traded Abraham Lincoln for strom thurmond. In 1980 reagan after nomination went down to phildelphia mississippi where the three civil rights workers were murdered and welcomed the klansmen into the republican party.

    And they say that schools don’t teach history any more.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  435. Ron DeSantis has abandoned his campaign in NH

    Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida is largely bypassing New Hampshire to focus his campaign effort on South Carolina, as a super PAC backing him began laying off staff just days after he finished a distant second to Donald J. Trump in the Iowa caucuses.

    Rather than campaign exclusively in New Hampshire for the next six days, before the state hosts its first-in-the-nation primary on Tuesday, Mr. DeSantis will stump over the weekend in South Carolina, where he has begun to move a majority of his campaign staff, according to a senior campaign official. At the same time, an official with a super PAC supporting Mr. DeSantis, Never Back Down, said the group was “evaluating and paring down” some consultants, vendors and staff members. The scope of the layoffs was unclear.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  436. As for Halley’s comment, two groups are upset: Democrats who would never vote for any Republican, and those Republicans who would never vote for Haley anyway.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  437. And, really, Haley may be trying to interest those Republicans who don’t think everything is about race.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  438. Thirty years ago today.

    Rip Murdock (8929de)

  439. And they say that schools don’t teach history any more.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/17/2024 @ 7:05 pm

    Haley’s comments (and her campaign’s defense) sure prove that. No wonder she doesn’t want to debate or interact with the public. She’s hiding.

    Rip Murdock (8929de)

  440. In 2024, the King of Denmark changed took the name Frederik X, and there are hardly any African-American in Denmark at all. Where will it all end?

    nk (6a5f2b)

  441. And, really, Haley may be trying to interest those Republicans who don’t think everything is about race.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/17/2024 @ 7:25 pm

    You can make that point without a verifiably false statement like America has “never” been racist. It certainly has been at certain points in its history.

    Rip Murdock (7d5060)

  442. Whatever the “history”, this is the most I have liked Nikki Haley. There’s a Greek saying, “If you don’t praise your house, it will fall on you and crush you”. Giving the finger to the race hustlers and the wokes, even if only in their own minds, is something I applaud.

    nk (6a5f2b)

  443. verifiably false statement like America has “never” been racist.

    You keep asserting this. Have you tried ALL CAPS?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  444. Networks like nbc 1/17/2023 are now admitting electric cars have serious charging problem when temperature drops below 20 degrees. Nbc showed charging stations down too. Since Biden adm. is based on electric cars as the future as well as state democratic parties this is a serious problem that trump and gop will use and also make people even more reluctant to buy electric cars.

    asset (859518)

  445. You keep asserting this. Have you tried ALL CAPS?
    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/17/2024 @ 10:50 pm

    Heh! Good one.

    felipe (5e2a04)

  446. Giving the finger to the race hustlers and the wokes, even if only in their own minds, is something I applaud.

    nk (6a5f2b) — 1/17/2024 @ 7:52 pm

    Then give them the finger. I’ll join you. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rewriting history to piss people off is no way to go through life. The Constitution winked at slavery. Sorry but that’s racism, albeit not the indictment the race-baiters would have us believe.

    Don’t get me wrong. Legalized slavery followed by Jim Crow is probably the darkest stain on our national patrimony, but viewing it through the freak-show lens of presentism is as silly as claiming it wasn’t racist at all. God knows which beliefs and behaviors I’m fine with today that will make me look like a monster a hundred years from now, but something will.

    By any plausible definition, Lincoln was a racist. I’d be extremely critical of anyone today expressing his views on race, yet I’m confident he was a better person than I am. The same reasoning applies to the country as a whole. Don’t fight the history, just the presentism.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  447. Is a country racist or are select people in that country racist…at whatever moment of history you choose?

    There’s a bit of define your terms here, and there’s more than a bit of leftist narrative going on in the background. There is a race industry in this country that sells systemic racism. Some of their arguments contain complicated truths, others seemed geared at a systematic shakedown. Racial quotas and reparations are things. They divide the country and enflame the rhetoric.

    One could certainly argue that the ideals of the country as manifested in its founding documents argue against it being racist. The implementation was imperfect, so much so that it resulted in a costly Civil War. Humans are by design imperfect. We hold onto our prejudices and instinctively stick to our tribes and blame our woes on other tribes. Is humanity racist?!

    Amusingly, Haley was not even asked whether the country was racist, but whether the GOP itself was racist. Maybe that was a shrewd sidestep. Though her answer does interestingly match answers by Tim Scott and Kamala Harris. But it’s a complicated answer. Not really one meant for the campaign trail or for the average voter not conditioned for nuance.

    It’s an own goal except that everyone is now talking about Haley. This is a play out of Trump’s playbook of grabbing attention. Maybe in a jiu jitsu way it’s masterful. Haley does not have a lot of moves left to pick off persuadable Trump leaners. Becoming a target of the Left and race hustlers has some genius to it.

    The GOP house continues to burn….Trump the arsonist must be stopped….Haley still is the best alternative.

    AJ_Liberty (9737a4)

  448. verifiably false statement like America has “never” been racist.

    You keep asserting this. Have you tried ALL CAPS?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/17/2024 @ 10:50 pm

    It’s not an assertion, “never” is a direct quote from Haley and her campaign. There is no need to put it in caps.

    “We’re not a racist country, Brian. We’ve never been a racist country,” she said. ……….
    ………
    Her campaign later affirmed Haley’s statement.

    “America has always had racism, but America has never been a racist country,” a campaign spokesman said……..

    You can watch her say it at the link. I’m sure her quote will overshadow everything else at the CNN town hall tonight.

    Rip Murdock (1fe61e)

  449. As AJ pointed out, she wasn’t asked (by Brian Kilmeade, a friendly Fox commentator) about whether America was racist. She volunteered her denial, but wouldn’t say if the Republican Party was racist.

    Rip Murdock (1fe61e)

  450. @453

    https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/01/17/doj-hunters-laptop-is-real-spectacular-and-so-was-the-cocaine-on-his-holster-n605553

    This was obvious. Our government meddled in our last election.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 1/18/2024 @ 7:36 am

    Undeniably a true election interference by the government (Trump’s own FBI).

    But, there will never be any accountability.

    I think that’s part of the reason why Trump is “a thing”, as some Trump voters that I know believes that voting for Trump again is the only accountability the people can do to these people.

    I disagree, as I told them DeSantis is your warrior if you want accountability.

    whembly (5f7596)

  451. Some people in this country have always been racist. The numbers have been large at times, and in times and places they have had the majority. But the Country isn’t just the political actors of its time.

    The Constitution never suggested that race, per se, was a modifier of rights, or citizenship. The slavery clauses were developed as a compromise between racist slave owners and people who opposed slavery — notably the 3/5ths rule and the sun-setting of the slave trade in 1808. Even then the opposition to slavery was manifest.

    That Justice Taney, a racist, wrote race into the Constitution does not mean it was actually there, and his decision was a dead letter almost immediately.

    Later, the Radical Republicans (pbut) expunged those clauses and added other ones to make things much clearer. Sadly, subsequent politicians whittled those down, or ignored them, but again that is not “the country”, that is individuals, groups and political majorities momentarily ascendant.

    The Declaration of Independence was the heart of the Founding, stating the goals of the nation. It still is, and in many places outside the US it provides inspiration to those still oppressed. It has ever been opposed to those who would crush the individual under the heel of the state, with whatever excuse. It is not racist, even though a slave-owner wrote it (on one of his better days).

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  452. Look at this another way:

    Tammany Hall
    Nixon
    Hoover’s FBI
    Daley’s Chicago
    The Train
    Donald Trump

    Endless examples of dishonesty and corruption. Do they mean that the Country has always been dishonest and corrupt, or only that some of its people are?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  453. As for Halley’s comment, two groups are upset: Democrats who would never vote for any Republican, and those Republicans who would never vote for Haley anyway.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/17/2024 @ 7:23 pm

    Haley’s limousine liberal, wine and cheese voters in New Hampshire will still vote for her as the anti-Trump candidate; her comments were directed to the beer drinking, pick up driving good ol’ boys in South Carolina. But she can’t out dog whistle the expert in dog whistles.

    Do I think Haley is a racist? No, because the only thing she believes in is what will get her elected.

    Endless examples of dishonesty and corruption. Do they mean that the Country has always been dishonest and corrupt, or only that some of its people are?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/18/2024 @ 8:43 am

    I think America has made far more progress against de jure racism than corruption. Hardly a year goes by when government officials (most recently George Santos and the Menendezes), aren’t accused of corruption. Unfortunately, a lot of “corruption” is constitutionally protected (campaign contributions and gifts to public officials).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  454. Endless examples of dishonesty and corruption. Do they mean that the Country has always been dishonest and corrupt, or only that some of its people are?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 1/18/2024 @ 8:43 am

    I’m sure in the right context Haley would say “America has never been corrupt.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  455. I’m sure in the right context Haley would say “America has never been corrupt.”

    As a nation it never has been. Corruption has always been criminalized.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  456. https://freebeacon.com/columns/delusional-in-davos/

    Biden administration continues to act like Israel is the primary impediment to peace in the Middle East. They ignore Iran and pretend that “Palestinians ” can be a functional nation.

    NJRob (6e2947)

  457. I think that’s part of the reason why Trump is “a thing”, as some Trump voters that I know believes that voting for Trump again is the only accountability the people can do to these people.

    I disagree, as I told them DeSantis is your warrior if you want accountability.

    whembly (5f7596) — 1/18/2024 @ 7:48 am

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    NJRob (6e2947)

  458. No one in the Middle East is interested in giving anything up for “peace.” Oh, they’ll take it if it comes, but they’ll toss it aside in a moment if there is a great enough advantage for doing so. Even Israel.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  459. Meanwhile, the Fulton County Trump prosecution has morphed (for a couple weeks) into a high-stakes episode of Divorce Court:

    https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-trump-judge-schedules-february-hearing-on-willis-allegations/VCDYL4JFGNE4VKPNDYR26POXQU/

    It seems fitting that Fani has a deadline of February 2 to file an answer the charges. In the meantime, FW keeps not answering the question on the relationship with her assistant. Her response to the divorce subpoena feels very lawyered.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  460. I will note that, except for some date typos, fw’s filing in the divorce case is interesting. It is here:

    https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-trump-judge-schedules-february-hearing-on-willis-allegations/VCDYL4JFGNE4VKPNDYR26POXQU/

    She argues:

    On January 8, 2023 at 12:01 p.m., Defendant Joycelyn Wade, through her attorney Andrea Hastings, attempted to serve Fani T. Willis with a Notice of Deposition (See Exhibit A). Joycelyn Wade is the defendant wife in the above titled domestic case involving Fulton County special prosecutor Nathan J. Wade. The subpoena was presented to an employee at the Office of the Fulton County District Attorney.

    Contemporaneously on January 8, 2023, Michael Roman, who is a defendant in the Election Interference Case, through his attorney Ashleigh Merchant, filed a Motion to Unseal the above styled divorce matter.

    Additionally, on January 8, 2023 at 4:42 p.m., the same date of the deposition notice to Non-Party Deponent, Michael Roman, the defendant in the Election Interference Case, filed a Motion to Disqualify the District Attorney, her office, and Special Prosecutor Nathan J. Wade from further prosecuting the Election Interference Case alleging a “conflict of interest” among the lawyers prosecuting on behalf of Fulton County.

    This suggests that the divorce attorney for Jocelyn Wade has been coordinating with the attorney for Michael Roman. I have no idea if that is legal or just “sharp practice”, but it does keep me skeptical about this operation.

    Also noteworthy. The bombshell allegation that Roman’s attorney was just doing some research and suddenly the divorce records were sealed (how nefarious!) sounds more like garbage:

    Prior to the attempted service of the subpoena on District Attorney Willis, Plaintiff Nathan J. Wade and Defendant Joycelyn Wade filed a consent motion to seal their divorce proceedings to keep them private. The Court sealed the divorce on February 10, 2022. It was only after Defendant Joycelyn Wade sought to subpoena District Attorney Fani T. Willis that there was a request to unseal the divorce proceedings.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the attorneys have just been passing notes about possible evidence. This is what Willis claims. She also claims that issues regarding this divorce ended long ago.

    I will note — Willis doesn’t deny a romantic relationship anywhere in this filing. She has until February 2 to either fess up or deliver a resounding denial.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  461. “Am I the only one who hears the screams?
    And the strangled cries of lawyers in love”

    lloyd (526c34)

  462. Meanwhile, in the real world, Democrats haven’t stopped being pr1cks about the border.

    “Excuse me, I’m asking the questions“

    Democrats don’t want increased funding for interdiction and law enforcement. They want it to process border crossers more quickly.

    lloyd (526c34)

  463. In Beverly Hills, no kitchen remodels or pool grottoes as judge orders building moratorium over lack of affordable housing (link may not work for non-subscribers)

    Last month, Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Curtis A. Kin blocked the city from issuing all building permits except for new residential development as a penalty for Beverly Hills’ failure to approve a sufficient blueprint for affordable housing.

    Officials are appealing the decision and say they’re continuing to process permits as normal. But the potential ramifications on home and business owners and the construction industry have left civic leaders aghast.

    “I’m shocked by the judgment,” said Murray Fischer, a real estate attorney who has practiced in Beverly Hills for 50 years. “It would mean that the city is at a standstill.”

    The permit moratorium would be among the most concrete consequences of California’s attempts in recent years to push cities to allow for new housing, including in wealthy communities that have long resisted it.

    Few if any places are more famous for their luxury than Beverly Hills, where entrepreneurs and entertainers — such as Jeff Bezos, Leonardo DiCaprio and Taylor Swift — own mansions, opulent hotels attract well-heeled visitors, and glamorous boutiques make Rodeo Drive one of the most expensive shopping strips in the world.

    et growth has been nonexistent. In 1970, the population of Beverly Hills was 33,400. Today, it is 32,400. Over the same period, the number of California residents has doubled to nearly 40 million.

    Home and business owners in Beverly Hills frequently remodel their properties, but the makeup of the community — with single-family homes north of Santa Monica Boulevard and largely multifamily and commercial development south — has remained the same. Some residents argue the city’s fame and beauty result from efforts to preserve it as it is.

    “We have intentionally created a desirable environment by deliberately avoiding overdevelopment and over-densification,” said Thomas White, chair of the Municipal League, a 60-year-old civic organization.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  464. I think that Fani Willis’s only out is political machinations, and that will depend on how influential she is in, and how dependent the judge is on, local party politics. She already took it to the streets with the race card, and she must be scrabbling furiously to line up support and exert pressure behind the scenes.

    nk (748cdd)

  465. According to NHK World, Japan just bought 400 Tomahawk missiles from the US. They probably meant “ordered”, rather than “bought”, but it is still a significant sale.

    Especially when you combine that with the fact that Japan could make nuclear bombs within less than a year, perhaps within less than six months. (They have a failry large stock of plutonium.)

    “King” Kim, “Czar” Putin, and “Emperor” Xi are edging us closer to nuclear war. I hope I am wrong in that dismal conclusion.

    Jim Miller (65cd23)

  466. It’s a complicated plot and North Korea may go first, (or really second, depending upon how it goes with Iran, and how the United States reacts to their use of a nuclear weapon, but Iran may be embroiled in a war with Pakistan before that)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  467. The first moment it looks like NK will use a nuke, a number of portions of NK will be gone. Really, the whole non-proliferation regime hinges on NK being put in its place. Should have happened 30 years ago when they cheated the first time.

    (not our nk)

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  468. Great column by Peggy Noonan today:

    This Isn’t Only a Trump Election

    The non-elite feel more alienated than ever, even invaded, and they’ll be looking for better options….

    … Mr. Trump shouldn’t be president, and neither should Joe Biden, because they aren’t what we need for the future. What do we need? Someone who feels in her or his gut the wound of the open border and will stop illegal immigration; someone who can cut through the knot of “globalism” vs. “isolationism,” a serious argument that is becoming a cartoon one (internationalists don’t really want to start wars all over; isolationists know we are part of the world and can’t just pull up the bridge). If we can cut through all that we’ll go some distance to forging a true national stance toward the world, and only then can we answer the proper strategy toward China, the responsibility of America in Asia and the Mideast. Someone who can take on identity politics, who knows we all must stand equal. Someone who can reiterate the idea that we do have national values. …

    Eight years ago I wrote of the driving force behind support for political newcomer Donald Trump. America had devolved into a protected class of the socially and politically influential vs. regular people at the mercy of the protected class’s favored doctrines and political decisions. I think it still pertains, but eight years later I see new shadings. The distance between the elites and the non-elite has widened, the estrangement deepened. When the university presidents testified before Congress in December it became a catastrophe for the elites in part because viewers could fairly come away thinking: They don’t just live far away and have their own ideology, they have their own private language. Their minds seemed to work in a kind of self-satisfied robot loop: “It depends on the context. It depends on the context.” All this delivered with an honestly unconscious condescension.

    Something else that I think has changed is—well, something I haven’t fully thought through, but I think the unprotected at this point do not only feel ignored and betrayed, they feel invaded. Twenty twenty, that epic, nation-changing year, tripped something off, began something new, a sense among regular people that some new ideology that doesn’t even have a name had entered their lives on all levels, in their intimate family and work space. The pandemic, with its protocols and regulations and vaccine mandates; the strange things taught in the schools, which were suddenly brought into your home by Zoom; the obsessions with gender and race, the redefinitions of the founding and meaning of America. At the office, the stupid and insulting race and gender instructions, and the index you have to meet when hiring to achieve what someone has decided is the right “diversity” balance.

    I think people feel invaded by the ideology with no name. They know it is unhealthy for society, is in fact guaranteed to make us, as a people who must live together, weaker and more divided.

    We are not sufficiently noting that this isn’t only a Trump election, it is also the first national election since the full impact of 2020 and its epochal changes sank in.

    Voters are going to want more options. Talk will turn seriously to a third-party bid. The great unanswered question will be whether those mounting that party have enough imagination to understand what they could be this year.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  469. @453 how about the 2016 election?

    asset (9cbd9d)

  470. @472 Most democrats disagree. In bubble breaking news. Jamie Dimon at davos says he and his company will do just fine who ever is president. (CNBC) I will add because he owns biden and the corporate democrats and republicans. Trump wants to be owned by the wealthy see: 2017 tax cuts for rich. In other news 200 spokane wa. churches were asked to open their doors to get homeless out of the freezing weather only 4 agreed. (DU) The rest were to busy running the money changers out of the temple. How many hundreds of thousands did evangelist bob vanderplaatz make off of ron desatan in Iowa?

    asset (9cbd9d)

  471. Infinite Crimes.

    Trump wants total immunity even for “events that cross the line”.

    Accountability.

    It’s why we shouldn’t elect a man-child to the most important office in the land. We confuse shamelessness for strength…and bombast for wisdom. We want a troll instead of someone who can harmonize our differences, inspire, and build consensus. In what other position would we willingly want a sociopath in our lives? And trust that others will constrain him? It’s reckless, yet here we are.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  472. In what other position would we willingly want a sociopath in our lives?

    To be exact, a sociopath child.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  473. Some will say, sociopath child vs senile man….but Biden is not senile….yet. He is lucid and can clearly articulate policy, though maybe a little slower and sometimes mumbly. He’s certainly not optimal, but I fear him less. He won’t start a war because he’s mad at some judge or commentator.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  474. Biden has started several wars due to his weakness and inability to lead.

    His policies are disasterous and bankrupting the nation at a rapidly accelerating rate.

    Carry on.

    NJRob (e87afd)


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