Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Good morning. Here are a few interesting news items to chew over. Please feel free to share anything that’s on your radar.
First news item
Floating petri dishes? Count me out:
A representative from the American Express travel franchise Cruise Planners told [TMZ] that cruise bookings increased exponentially after Carnival announced it intends to resume some cruises in August.
Three days after the announcement, the travel company’s Carnival bookings went up by 600 percent when compared to the three days before the news broke. This current vacation frenzy is notably 200 percent higher than the bookings Cruise Planners received during the same period last year.
Second news item
SMDH:
President Donald Trump wondered whether testing for Covid-19 coronavirus is “overrated.” He then proceeded to say, “And don’t forget, we have more cases than anybody in the world. But why? Because we do more testing.”
Next, he clarified: “When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”
Third news item
$3 Trillion Coronavirus Relief Package Headed To Senate :
The House of Representatives passed a $3 trillion stimulus package meant to alleviate the economic damage brought on by the new coronavirus Friday evening….The bill provides funding for state and local governments, direct checks to citizens similar to the $1,200 already sent, and further funding for COVID-19 testing and research.
Fourth news item
Texas reopens, coronavirus cases increase:
Texas has seen a steady rise in novel coronavirus cases and fatalities since reopening just over two weeks ago…There are now 45,198 confirmed cases of COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services. That is an increase of 1,347 cases from Thursday to Friday. The new numbers have not yet been recorded for Saturday…the steady increase shows that the curve has not yet flattened in Texas…The state also experienced its highest and second-highest daily death toll just a day apart. On Thursday, 58 deaths were recorded in 24 hours and Friday that number dropped only slightly to 56, according to the health department. The total number of fatalities is at 1,272.
Fifth news item
People can’t get enough of this. Great people! https://t.co/b4HM0C298h
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 16, 2020
Sixth news item
In an alarming development, five sailors aboard the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier in Guam have retested positive for COVID-19 after quarantining for the disease, and have been removed from the embattled warship a second time, the Navy announced Friday.
The news raises questions about whether the massive vessel with nearly 5,000 sailors can safely return to sea. It also adds uncertainty to the broader understanding of the virus’ ability to reinfect individuals, effective quarantine requirements and the accuracy of testing.
All five sailors had previously tested positive and were evacuated off the ship, which has been stuck in Guam since late March after the virus swept through the close quarters of the nuclear-powered carrier. They spent at least 14 days in quarantine on the island; the healthy sailors isolated in individual hotel rooms and the infected sailors together in group quarantine on the naval base. The sailors were allowed back on the Roosevelt only after testing negative twice, the tests administered at least 48 hours apart.
Have a great weekend.
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 9:39 amRegarding the fourth news item, are hospitalizations up? Because if not, it’s quite possible that increased testing means active cases/hospitalization, and even the active cases/death ratio is plummeting with the discovery of these new cases. I don’t know that’s necessarily the case, but it sure sounds like it could be to me. What the jackals in the media leave out of their coverage is just as pertinent as what is in it.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 9:42 amTesting and cases explained. It’s all perfectly clear now.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/16/2020 @ 9:55 amIf you’ll recall, our president did not want a cruise ship that had COVID-19 cases abord to return to California because it would raise the number of cases (at the time there were less than 100) and it would “make us look bad.”
Whatever else you might say about the way the administration has handled this crisis, you’d have to admit they’ve been consistent.
John B Boddie (141cfc) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:03 amThose damn meedia jackles told me CV19 was deadly and debilitating.
It took me coming here to learn that it is NEITHER deadly or debilitating.
As of today, the US still lags behind most Western nations in per capita testing…in many cases FAR behind.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:11 amI wouldn’t be surprised if Trump personally ordered the shutdown of Bill Gates’ home-testing kits for CV19. After all, Gates is 34 times richer and he didn’t bend the knee or say enough nice things about POTUS.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:13 am88,237 deaths as of last count. Is that because we’re doing more testing for death?
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:15 am7. To my knowledge, at least nationwide, deaths have more-or-less been increasing steadily for a month, and not (statistically) increasing at all when you allow for Cuomo’s and Noisome’s horrendously short-sighted nursing home strategies.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:17 amHeckuva job, Orangie…!!!
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:18 amIn other words, if the whole purpose of social distancing was to “flatten the curve,” we can consider the curve flattened. There is not a state in the union, including New York and California, where the health care industry has been overwhelmed to the point of concern. This is precisely why Georgia and Florida are loosening their restrictions: they either achieved what their stated intent was or were useless to begin with. Either way, here we are.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:19 am[Texas] also experienced its highest and second-highest daily death toll just a day apart. On Thursday, 58 deaths were recorded in 24 hours and Friday that number dropped only slightly to 56, according to the health department. The total number of fatalities is at 1,272.
BUT…
To my knowledge, at least nationwide, deaths have more-or-less been increasing steadily for a month, and not (statistically) increasing at all when you allow for…
So, Texas must have seceded when I wasn’t looking. The families and friends of the deceased will be glad to know that their loved ones are not statistically dead. Just that other way…
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:26 amI enjoy cruises as they are relaxing and you can set your own pace and decide what you want to do whenever you want to do it. I’m not a beach person, but a pool is fine. The gyms are open almost all day so you can get a workout in and they aren’t very busy (obviously). They aren’t any more a petri dish than they’ve always been as is a hotel, a convention center, a sporting event, etc.
Live and let live.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:31 am11. “Highest” != “increassing.” That doesn’t mean there aren’t deaths, or that they aren’t increasing. What I said was, they are increasing steadily nationwide and remaining steady when you account for nursing home debacles which are primarily happening in New York and California. Individual states and localities may be having a tough time, but I am not going to weep for people I don’t know and cower because “risk.”
I’d be interested in knowing what percentage of that death spike happened in nursing homes in Texas. I looked. I can’t find that data anywhere. I suppose it’s not that it’s being buried or anything…
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:31 amGeorgia loosened their restrictions more than 3 weeks ago. Let’s revisit some of the predictions and see how they did.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:34 amI take it with a grain of salt from the New York Slimes, but this is how they’re covering the nursing home problem. 1/3 nationwide. Which I’d guess means the figure is closer to 1/2. And that’s assuming that all reported CoViD-19 deaths are actually caused by CoViD-19.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:35 amI am not going to weep for people I don’t know and cower because “risk.”
Or act like a careful, responsible, self-governing member of a society, because freeeedumb…!!!
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:35 am14. I thought they were doing pretty well, weren’t they? They’re at an all-time low for new cases since documentation started.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:36 am16. You make it sound like I’m doing nothing. For the umpteenth time, I am avoiding nursing homes, avoiding the beef plant and people I know who work there, and I am recognizing social distancing as a matter of etiquette since I don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable just for the sake of proving a point. What else am I not doing that I should be doing so that you would deem me a “responsible self-governing member of [this] society?”
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:37 amLet’s revisit some of the predictions and see how they did.
K’, Rob. You bring them ALL, and we’ll do that lil’ thang.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:38 amWhat else am I not doing that I should be doing…?
Not lying, for one big thing.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:40 amWell, the massage parlor down the block has reopened with a vengeance. The girls are keeping a low profile — in fact they may be sleeping there because I have only seen them outside once — but there were customers coming and going yesterday afternoon and evening, this morning at 6:20 a.m.!!!, and I just spotted one leaving a few minutes ago.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:41 am20. About what? That’s weak tea, Raggy. I think you are just upset that there are some people that aren’t simpering cowards. You seem bitter and jealous that there are people out there who are doing their level-best to live life as normally as possible under the circumstances while you’ve convinced yourself that if this virus isn’t a major disruption, somehow we’re not doing “it” right (whatever it is).
You wanna stay home, stay home. Wear a mask. Knock yourself out (literally by hypercapnia, if you’re not careful). I don’t understand why my abject refusal to cower and hide from the unpleasant realities of life makes me a bad person. In fact, I wholly reject the notion that it does.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:43 amWith 2,819 cases and 162 deaths, Greece is statistically coronavirus free. Why, you may ask? Well, you could say that Greeks are an intelligent and socially responsible people. Me, I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that Greeks were also the first homo sapiens in Europe. Take that, you Herrenvolk!
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:47 amAbout what?
Gosh, where to begin…
Let’s start with this: CV19 is neither deadly or debilitating.
We can add this one: I think you are just upset that there are some people that aren’t simpering cowards.
Your fringe nutter is coming out again, and I could…and will…go on laying out the lies you’ve told. It isn’t like they’re hard to come by.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:50 amsomeone who has actually mining the numbers,
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1261703343367507968?s=20
I know you all love governor creosote, or gruesome, who locks you in the caves of steel, from Hipparchus to the council of 30, that was two centuries?
narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:53 amnow pericles was supposed to be the apex, but he started the pelopenessian war, plague shortened his ambitions, about 25 years down the line,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:01 amtough but fair,
https://babylonbee.com/news/reminder-adolf-hitler-also-wanted-to-go-outside-and-do-things
narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:02 am21… NK… slippin’ in for a tug… Solicitor Saturday!!!
Colonel Haiku (bad36f) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:06 amThey are. But there are many who wished doom on Governor Kemp and predicted destruction for Georgia because he wouldn’t enslave his state further. Those that did will just double down like Fournier did and refuse to admit their error.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:08 am29… I thought Stacey Abrams was Teh Governor!
Colonel Haiku (bad36f) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:10 amwhereas Cuomo is given hosannas or treated like an orphan, despite the horrendous policy mistakes he made, and continues to make,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:12 amWith 2,819 cases and 162 deaths, Greece is statistically coronavirus free. Why, you may ask?
I think it may be due to the fact that they don’t face and breath on each other very often.
Colonel Haiku (bad36f) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:12 amin her own deluded mind, haiku,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:12 amJ.C. Penney, reeling from a one-two punch of the department store industry’s struggles and the coronavirus pandemic, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Friday. – usatoday.com
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:15 amJustin Amash:
Read the whole thing.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:18 amhttps://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6884792-MACE-E-PAI-COVID-19-ANALYSIS-Redacted.html
The report that strongly suggests there was an outbreak at the Wuhan biolab in early October and a shutdown of traffic into the lab’s contaminated areas for 2 weeks afterward.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:20 amUnsurprising:
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:21 amwhat are the comorbidities involved how many were cronic and or acute, how many were treated with hcq z pac zinc cocktail, the media doesn’t tell you any of the particulars, because blind panic is how we ended up with 30 million unemployed, they haven’t pointed out ferguson couldn’t abide by his own rules, really, so what chance do mere mortals have,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:22 amBut there are many who wished doom on Governor Kemp and predicted destruction for Georgia because he wouldn’t enslave his state further. Those that did will just double down like Fournier did and refuse to admit their error.
Well, Rob, post a several of those “many”, along with their predictions. Where are they?
When was Georgia enslaved? Or was that just you going all gonzo as usual?
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:30 ammeanwhile yovanovich’s denials about meeting with burisma staffers, is practically unremarked, we thought these things mattered once upon a time, with hindsight we realize we were wasting not only time and money, but lives,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:31 amhttps://nypost.com/2020/05/16/stefanik-calls-for-fed-probe-of-cuomos-nursing-home-policy/
Narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:33 amIn an alarming development, five sailors aboard the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier in Guam have retested positive for COVID-19 after quarantining for the disease, and have been removed from the embattled warship a second time, the Navy announced Friday.
The news raises questions about whether the massive vessel with nearly 5,000 sailors can safely return to sea. It also adds uncertainty to the broader understanding of the virus’ ability to reinfect individuals, effective quarantine requirements and the accuracy of testing.
All five sailors had previously tested positive and were evacuated off the ship, which has been stuck in Guam since late March after the virus swept through the close quarters of the nuclear-powered carrier. They spent at least 14 days in quarantine on the island; the healthy sailors isolated in individual hotel rooms and the infected sailors together in group quarantine on the naval base. The sailors were allowed back on the Roosevelt only after testing negative twice, the tests administered at least 48 hours apart.
Well that ain’t good.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:39 amQuarantine means they didnt come in contact with anyone else, doesnt say anythong about whether and how they were treated.
Narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:43 amre the 6th news item: I think it could be predicted from the retesting in Korea find the virus in previously cleared people that 2 wks might not be enough. For some people it’s enough to put them under the viral load threshold for the test, but they clearly aren’t completely well yet and relapse.
@8 @25 Say what you want about Newsom, but our rate has been very very low despite the fact that we were one of the first states to have cases and we have had heavy travel between CA and China and we have a very large population. We could easily have had New York numbers and we didn’t. Newsom saved a significant number of lives.
@37 Also, Trump hates anything that even hints at oversight. Because he isn’t a swamp critter at all.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:46 amThat and keeping his own kin out of the nursing homes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/15/pennsylvanias-transgender-health-secretary-focusing-on-gender-identity-in-collection-of-coronavirus-data/
Narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:47 amGreat letter to Obama
https://sidneypowell.com/media/open-memorandum-to-barack-obama/
Jim (4c234f) — 5/16/2020 @ 12:09 pmhttps://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/ginn-again.php
Narciso (7404b5) — 5/16/2020 @ 12:11 pm40… funny how that works, narciso…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/16/2020 @ 12:19 pmRIP Fred Willard, a very funny man!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/16/2020 @ 12:21 pmExcellent read
Two Coasts. One Virus. How New York Suffered Nearly 10 Times the Number of Deaths as California.
https://www.propublica.org/article/two-coasts-one-virus-how-new-york-suffered-nearly-10-times-the-number-of-deaths-as-california
Jim (4c234f) — 5/16/2020 @ 12:26 pmR.I.P. Fred Willard
He was a good ‘un
Icy (6abb50) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:03 pm@50 Interesting article, thanks for the link.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:09 pmBut were they the same virus, or different variants…???
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:13 pmJustin Amash has dropped out. It’s probably good news for Joe Biden, although it’s a shame to have nobody I can be proud to vote for.
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:14 pmYep
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:18 pmUnmasking? The Real Story Is When Flynn Was Not Masked in the First Place
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/michael-flynn-unmasking-real-story-is-when-he-was-not-masked-in-the-first-place/
Pretty sad biggest scandal ever and the MSM wants no part of it
Jim (4c234f) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:27 pmEasy on the ears… https://youtu.be/v_g9M-uYdq4
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:43 pmAssuming facts not in evidence. Plus, if Grennel was going to release this, or any of his predecessors, would have leaked that immediately. Also, unmasking happens thousands of times a month, so it’s not the high bar, or small hoop, to jump over/through, that the conspiracy delusions make it out to be.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:47 pm@46:
there is precedent for guilty pleas being vacated. Your alumni Weissmann and Ruemmler are no strangers to such reversals. At least two guilty pleas they coerced by threats against defendants in Houston had to be thrown out—again for reasons like those here. The defendants “got off scot-free” because—like General Flynn—your alumni had concocted the charges and terrorized the defendants into pleading guilty to “offenses” that were not crimes. Andersen partner David Duncan even testified for the government against Andersen in its trial, but his plea had to be vacated. Enron Broadband defendant Christopher Calger had his plea vacated. There are many others across the country.
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Most important, General Flynn was honest with the FBI agents. They knew he was—and briefed that to McCabe and others three different times. At McCabe’s directions, Agent Strzok and McCabe’s “Special Counsel” Lisa Page, altered the 302 to create statements Weissmann, Mueller, Van Grack, and Zainab Ahmad could assert were false. Only the FBI agents lied—and falsified documents. The crimes are theirs alone.
Ouch. Those tire marks on Weissmann’s backside are from Powell.
beer ‘n pretzels (b61153) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:48 pmThere’s what was the original 302 and also the Lovers’ 302?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/16/2020 @ 1:52 pmThree weeks in-and-out is “much reflection” for Justin Amash?!?!
Hilarious!
If ‘ya can’t stand the heat, stay outta the kitchen, fella.
“The comedian is on a treadmill to oblivion.” – Fred Allen, 1954
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:02 pmNic,
I think it is possible the East Coast has had to deal with a more dangerous strain of the virus than the middle of the country and the West Coast faced. It may also be there is a genetic component to which Covid patients have worse outcomes and most of those people live in the hardest hit areas. Or both
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:09 pmAmerica’s not-so-secret super-duper missile.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:12 pm@62 It’s possible the strain is different. If it were just genetics with, frex the African American community, though, there should be comparable rates out of Oakland or Compton and there aren’t.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:12 pmRe: Texas: ABC News has already changed their headline and added info on testing increases:
Texas COVID-19 cases rise, governor’s office says more testing being done
“ Gov. Greg Abbott’s communications director John Wittman told ABC News that the amount of testing has doubled since reopening, contributing to the rise in cases.
“Since [COVID-19 testing] started, we did 330,000 tests in March and April. Since May 1, we have done over 330,000 — so in 16 days we have doubled our testing from the previous entire two months,” Wittman said.
“The governor has been clear that as the state of Texas conducts more tests, we will see the raw number of cases rise,” Wittman said. “However, the [rolling seven-day] average positivity rate has steadily declined from our high April 13 [of a bit more than 13%] to around 5% today. Our hospitalizations remain steady, and Texas has one of the lowest death rates per capita in the nation.””
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:14 pm_
Actually, I think the genetic component might be Americans with Italian and Spanish heritage.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:15 pm“ I think it is possible the East Coast has had to deal with a more dangerous strain of the virus than the middle of the country and the West Coast faced.”
The disparity in the data is truly alarming. I know it’s not the case but it feels sometimes like the more we know, the more we don’t know.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:15 pm_
This is why I reject the notion of CoViD-19 as “deadly” and/or “debilitating.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:16 pmAnd possibly other Europeans. The African-American issues are different IMO.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:16 pmIt is too soon to tell about Texas but look at the Texas Dashboard, especially the daily cases data or the Excel version. Clearly the daily cases are up and so is testing, but some are reporting that Texas is combining Covid active and antibody tests and results. If so, the numbers tell us very little. Deaths are fairly stable but it takes time to die, so current deaths tell us more about what was happening a month ago. We have to wait another 45-60 days to see if opening up led to far more fatalities.
One interesting stat to me is that positive Covid tssts have declined from 10% to 4.83% in the past two months.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:25 pmNo, Gryph. A single case is not why you reject reality. There’s another reason.
During Dr. Anthony Fauci’s testimony before the Senate on Tuesday, he said undercounting could result from people who died at their home from the virus, but weren’t counted or tested because they never reached the hospital.
“I think you are correct that the number is likely higher,” Fauci said in response to a question from Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, according to the Washington Post.“I don’t know exactly what percent higher, but almost certainly it’s higher.”
Fauci wouldn’t speculate on if the numbers were 50 percent higher than the current U.S. death toll. However, he said that “most of us feel that the number of deaths are likely higher than that number.”
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:26 pm“ If so, the numbers tell us very little. ”
And yet, ABC News chose to initially frame it as wanton disregard for public health by TX officials.
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Still waiting for the msm to take on Gov. Cuomo and forcing nursing homes to admit infected patients.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:30 pm_
harkin, put up the citations and let us judge without your filter.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:33 pmVitamin D may be linked to mortality because of hyperactive immune responses. If so, keeping people inside may be a bad long-term strategy. But there is also a genetic role to low Vitamin D, especially with dark-skinned people like blacks and people of Latin heritage.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:34 pmBut I think the European version of Covid that the East Coast and upper Mid-West faced is worse than what the rest of us have seen. We may still get it.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:35 pmharkin,
Or we could talk about this like adults and stop trying to play political and media gotcha all the time.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:37 pmThe report at 50 is really interesting. Clearly DeBlasio’s ego and the ongoing acrimony between Cuomo and the Mayor really hurt NYers.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 2:48 pmBut you’re wrong, plain and simple.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:12 pmDRJ, you might find Russia’s response to Trump’s “Super super missiles” amusing.
In all seriousness it’s disturbing how little Trump cares about the details. If he’s talking about a real weapon (like a rail gun perhaps) his poor understanding is amazing. And if he’s revealing some secret breakthrough just to brag that’s childish and selfish.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:15 pm“ The killer fifth paragraph still reads: “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.”
Owners and managers said Tuesday they are not aware of any loosening of the policy. They also say that hospitals still are referring infected patients to them on a near-daily basis and they are expected to take them if they have an empty bed.
To them, the March 25 order was a death sentence. Some facilities say they had no deaths or even positive patients before that date, but many of both since, including among staff members.
Recall, too, the experience of Donny Tuchman, CEO of Brooklyn’s Cobble Hill Health Center. On April 24, when his facility already had lost 55 patients, he showed reporters email exchanges with the Department of Health where he got no help when he asked for relief. Even his request to have some of the COVID-19 patients sent to the Javits Center or the Navy ship Comfort, both of which were well below capacity, was rejected.”
https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/this-nursing-home-disaster-is-on-you-gov-cuomo-goodwin/
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“The governor’s March 25 mandate said that nursing homes couldn’t deny admission or readmission “based on a confirmed or suspected diagnoses of COVID-19.” It also forbade nursing homes from requiring COVID-19 testing of incoming hospital transfers.
The order was driven by fears that hospitals would be swamped during the pandemic and that COVID-19 patients who could be at nursing homes would occupy much-needed beds. There was also concern that if nursing homes rejected elderly residents, some could be left with nowhere to go.
But the order overlooked that the coronavirus would present a new and distinct threat to nursing homes and their elderly residents. The mistake was odd, since Cuomo had issued an earlier directive banning all visitors from nursing homes because their patients were, he said, uniquely vulnerable during the pandemic.
The two directives seem contradictory. If outside visitors were too risky, than admitting untested patients who might or might not have COVID-19 was also risky — especially when many nursing homes were also facing critical shortages of personal-protective equipment as the crisis worsened.
Kim notes that Cuomo’s budget package, approved just as the crisis was bearing down on New York, included a provision that shielded nursing-home operators and hospitals from lawsuits related to COVID-19 deaths. As the New York Times reported, many lawmakers (Kim included) were unaware of the change when they approved the budget.
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Churchill-New-York-s-tragic-nursing-home-mistake-15273400.php
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harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:20 pmI don’t think that makes sense, because there are a lot of complications in our bodies. C-19 can hurt your liver, a bad liver can make C-19 worse, and excessive drug abuse combined with C-19 can lead to death. When it does, some doctor might try to determine the direct cause, even though there are several factors, without which, death wouldn’t have happened. We already know that people with respiratory illnesses or immune system problems are at greater risk. Do we then not count these folks among who C-19 killed?
And you’re reading all about this debate, and we’re talking about this debate, so it’s hardly an effective conspiracy to hide this complex problem.
Those of us who haven’t dealt too closely with the disease should appreciate that luxury, not assume the disease isn’t dangerous.
I say this recognizing that we can’t possibly lock down the world for that long. People won’t cooperate so it’s simply not a realistic option in the first place. But we should still take things seriously.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:20 pm“ I’m willing to bet it’s Vitamin D levels. West coast gets better weather than the northeast.”
I’ve been taking vitamin D since April. I still don’t see anything showing v D vs V D3 as far as effectiveness but it’s weird that Vitamin D capsules are hard to find at stores and Vitamin D3 are everywhere.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:23 pm_
The N. E. leads the league in old folks home deaths. cuomo/baker/2020
mg (8cbc69) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:27 pmThe Herb and Ho Party makes Trump’s militia loons look mainstream, and Amash is better off personally not associating himself with them. He was not going to win and he would be forever tarred for any future runs.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:31 pm“ Or we could talk about this like adults and stop trying to play political and media gotcha all the time.”
I would settle just for a note in the ‘Fourth News Item’ that the story had been significantly updated.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:32 pm_
New York City is an unhealthy environment to live in at the best of times. That’s what makes it different from California, or Texas, or Florida, or South Dakota. There’s no need to go looking for a meaner virus or any other special factors. Being a New Yorker is a permanent, built-in co-morbidity.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:41 pmsmoke and spice weekend
mg (8cbc69) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:48 pmwest coast baby backs &
apple city baby backs
Tri-tip on, mg…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:51 pm86… they were great sentiments, if only…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/16/2020 @ 3:54 pmI had to take the 76 year old mom to the eye doctor followed by a grocery trip yesterday. Observing her difficulty in walking, plus barely avoiding a#2 accident (thanks Fairplay Foods employees, Oak Lawn), I wonder if its age or the fact she hadn’t walked more than at most 125 ft (front of lot to alley at house) at a given time since mid March.
urbanleftbehind (9bbcb0) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:03 pm@66 SF has a goodly population of persons of Italian and Spanish descent, so I wouldn’t think that would make the difference either. The goldrush (and the mythology thereafter) created a huge magnet for immigration to CA and SF was the main port of entry on the West Coast, similar to how NY was for the east coast, so the SF bay area is very diverse.
If there is a medical difference in the way the virus played out, I think it would have to be within the strain of virus rather than the genetics of the sets of recipients.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:03 pmDRJ ..Is lactose intolerance also more prevalent in the closer-to- Mediterraean Euros? That would explain the role if Vitamin D deficiency.Or this genetic predisposition you note the legacy of Moorish and Saracen incursion?
urbanleftbehind (9bbcb0) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:09 pmWe can explain the Vitamin D deficiency the same way we can explain Dean’s Dairy going out of business: People are not drinking real milk, they’re drinking the vegan swills, and they’re not making up for it with other foods.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:13 pmBut I think those theories are like “Who unmasked Flynn?”. Irrelevant tangents. It’s the same virus and the same human beings, in different communities with different behaviors.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:17 pm“ There’s no need to go looking for a meaner virus or any other special factors. Being a New Yorker is a permanent, built-in co-morbidity.“
I have no clue on ‘meaner virus’ or any such stuff but NY definitely could have done things differently.
“ “Mother Nature brought a virus,” Cuomo said April 23. “The virus attacks old people. Nothing went wrong. Nobody’s to blame for the creation of the situation.”
In stunning contrast, Floridians have fared far better.
The Health Department’s “rapid emergency support teams” offered infection-control education and other training.
Furnishing sanitary gear was pivotal, including “almost 7 million masks to the nursing facilities in Florida,” DeSantis said, “almost a million gloves, half a million face shields, 160,000 gowns.”
“ We had all staff required to be screened for temperature,” Gov. DeSantis told President Trump April 28 in the Oval Office. “And then we did require the wearing of PPE, such as masks.”
DeSantis assigned 120 “ambulatory assessment teams” to 3,800 long-term care facilities, “to figure out where they were deficient so we could try to get ahead of this.”
By April 28, 50 “strike teams” had conducted 6,000 tests in nursing facilities. DeSantis and the University of Florida collaboratively assessed retirees at The Villages. This included drive-up screenings for elders in golf carts. “The result of that was pretty astounding,” DeSantis said. “Zero tested positive out of 1,200 asymptomatic seniors.”
By April 28, 50 “strike teams” had conducted 6,000 tests in nursing facilities. DeSantis and the University of Florida collaboratively assessed retirees at The Villages. This included drive-up screenings for elders in golf carts. “The result of that was pretty astounding,” DeSantis said. “Zero tested positive out of 1,200 asymptomatic seniors.”
With New York’s 5,352 COVID-19 nursing-home deaths, its fatality rate is 27.5 per 100,000 among 19,453,561 denizens. With Florida’s 665 such decedents, its death rate is 3.1 per 100,000 of its 21,477,737 people.
In this tale of two governors, Andrew Cuomo turned New York’s nursing homes into a de facto death panel, while Ron DeSantis created a model of emergency elder care.“
Deroy Murdock: On coronavirus and nursing homes, DeSantis and Cuomo offer life-and-death contrast
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-nursing-homes-desantis-cuomo-life-and-death-deroy-murdock
Guess which governor is polling higher for virus response?
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:25 pm__
on my way, col.
mg (8cbc69) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:28 pmThis ignores the fact that doctors are very concerned with the long-term debilitating impacts of COVID-19 that patients are exhibiting:
The damage from COVID-19 afflicts not just one lung, but both lungs. And for patients 65 or older, “patients have lung failure, they frequently have failure or dysfunction of their other organs, such as the kidney, heart, and brain…”
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:36 pmFurther, there can be neurological damage; researchers are still working to determine whether these damages are long-term:
@93 In Europe, lactose tolerance seems to have started as a genetic mutation in Scandinavia and moved south, from what I understand, so S. Europeans would tend to have a higher incident of lactose intolerance than northern Europeans.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:41 pmI thought it impolitic to ask earlier, but since he checks that box (see midpoint if article), there may be hope for the “Pyrite”…
http://news.yahoo.com/gops-garcia-wins-california-special-042012117.html
urbanleftbehind (9bbcb0) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:42 pmHere is an interesting link about lactose intolerance by region:
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:44 pmI think you need to clearly define “deadly” and “debilitating”.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 4:45 pmI once saw some vegan-minded person describe milk as a “trans-species mammary secretion”.
norcal (a5428a) — 5/16/2020 @ 6:26 pm@103 It is. Meat is also the flesh of a living being. Neither of those things mean that they aren’t tasty and nutritious.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 6:42 pmExactly, Nic. I love meat. All those vegans who claim that meat is murder somehow forget that animals murder other animals all the time. What could be more natural?
norcal (a5428a) — 5/16/2020 @ 6:51 pmThe things bipedal carbon-based lifeforms say.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 6:53 pmnorcal @ 105. I think a lady called “Lucy” kind of had that same idea about a million years ago. They found evidence of excess Vitamin A in her bones which they speculate came from eating raw liver, if I remember what I read correctly.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 6:57 pmGuess which governor is polling higher for virus response
DeSantis is actually doing a mediocre job, and never tried to get ahead of any problems.
That statistic comparing NY and Florida is a bit bogus. In both states, about 1 in 4 COVID19 deaths have been nursing home patients.
Kishnevi (de48de) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:03 pmIn both states, about 1 in 4 COVID19 deaths have been nursing home patients.
OK… THAT’s unpossible. I’ve been told by an authority that CV19 is NOT deadly OR debilitating.
You must be one of those craven cowards who just want us to cower in our closets because you are paralyzed by fear.
(Gryph hood off)
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:19 pmNic,
I think the supplement choices are D2 and D3. For years, the recommendation was to take D3 but now the recommendations vary depending on the reason for the deficiency. I don’t think there is a “Vitamin D” supplement but both D2 and D3 can be converted in the body to D.
urbanleftbehind,
Interesting lactose intolerant theory but I’m not sure it correlates with Vitamin D deficiency.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:32 pmnk,
I’m doing my best to carry Lucy’s meat-eating torch forward, but I draw the line at liver. There are few things I dislike eating, but I can’t seem to acquire a taste for liver. Maybe I need more practice.
norcal (a5428a) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:36 pmThis is anecdotal but in my area about 1/3 of all Covid infections are from nursing home patients and staff, and 75% of the fatalities have been nursing home patients. I don’t know if that is unusual but I think a few other towns have had similar experiences, and there was a similar pattern in Washington State. But nursing homes have very close quarters and residents require assistance with basic needs, so maybe it isn’t surprising that it is hard to isolate or protect them.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:45 pmI think the high number of nursing home infections is also attributable to the fact they are being aggressively tested in my area. Our local infectious disease specialist thinks the actual community rate of infection could be 40% already.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:48 pm@110 Could be. It isn’t something that I pay much attention to as a very pale person living in Cali. Mowing my lawn twice a month gets me enough AND I drink milk.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:52 pmAnd yet, everyone coming anywhere near the White House is tested, sometimes every day. That’s how the Orange can violate his administration’s own guidelines with (so far) impunity.
But Trump wants everyone else to go back to work without any of the taxpayer-provided protection that he, his family and his henchmen enjoy.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:54 pmOne other anomaly might be the impact of Covid on the immunocompromised who are born that way (as opposed to secondary immune compromised like cancer, HIV, etc., patients). I strongly support anyone at risk isolating to avoid Covid exposure but if the worst part of Covid is the overly aggressive immune response triggered by the infection, then it might not be as dangerous for those with primary immune problems because they typically can’t mount an immune response.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 7:55 pmOver 200 firefighters are responding to a blaze in downtown Los Angeles
Dave (1bb933) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:02 pmThat sounds terrible. An explosion? Maybe a gas line?
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:05 pmDog trainer has a bit more
Dave (1bb933) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:08 pmAustin TX officials say 68 people had Covid in early March, which means it was in the community in February. This has probably been around awhile but we sedm to be lucky in Texas that it hasn’t been as bad for us. Maybe we are natural isolators.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:08 pm“10 firefighters are down.” I hope that means injured and not dead.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:10 pmPolitico has a hit piece on Tara Reade:
‘Manipulative, deceitful, user’: Tara Reade left a trail of aggrieved acquaintances
Most of the sources are former landlords and/or employers. If true, she does not sound very trustworthy.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:15 pm230 firefighters in the scene now.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:16 pmDave,
I don’t know if she’s reliable or not, but I don’t understand why people are upset at Biden’s statement:
What’s funny though, is that so many have said they would indeed vote for him, no matter what.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:24 pmI had Tara Reade’s number from the beginning. I wonder if she managed to scrounge some cash out of Time’s Up’s GoFundMe along with the lawyers.
nk (1d9030) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:28 pmThis is interesting:
10-4: How to Reopen the Economy by Exploiting the Coronavirus’s Weak Spot
Read the whole thing.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/16/2020 @ 8:40 pmExplosion at a hash oil vaping supplier.
11 firefighters hurt, 2 in critical condition.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/16/2020 @ 9:09 pm@122 Well, according to that article she certainly has conned a lot of people out of a lot of money and gotten the use of some Very Expensive real estate for free. Pacific Grove? Dear God. (for anyone who doesn’t know, Pacific Grove is BETWEEN Monterey and Pebble Beach). Where was she living while attending SU law? A condo right on the sound? Mercer Island?
Nic (896fdf) — 5/16/2020 @ 9:10 pmSeems like an obvious mistake to me for Trump to campaign against Obama:
Trump has been pressed several times and been unable to name the crime Obama is supposedly guilty of.
Having invited him into the campaign, it appears Obama is prepared to answer the challenge.
To the extent the campaign is about Obama rather than Biden, that seems good for Biden. Obama is a far better campaigner and rhetorician than Biden, and among people whose votes might be subject to change, he is surely better liked than Biden or Trump.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/16/2020 @ 9:13 pm“Trump has been pressed several times and been unable to name the crime Obama is supposedly guilty of.”
I want to see him reconcile this with his stance that the president has absolute immunity.
Davethulhu (6c08ad) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:25 pmTexas reopens, coronavirus cases increase:
Stupid people gonna stupid.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:37 pmSeems like an obvious mistake to me for Trump to campaign against Obama
To be fair, he campaigns against Romney, W, and probably Reagan, too.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:39 pmPeople can work in two-week cycles, on the job for four days then, by the time they might become infectious, 10 days at home in lockdown. The strategy works even better when the population is split into two groups of households working alternating weeks.
India should get through this easily then.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:40 pmHey Tara,
If you can’t even pay your rent, get rid of your precious horsey! Assuming the Politico story is true, Tara lacks integrity. I’ve met so many people like this in my life. They can’t manage their money, so they become deceptive.
norcal (a5428a) — 5/16/2020 @ 11:42 pmDeaths from CV-19 per million
Texas -46
Florida – 91
GA – 151
NY – 1,400
Mich – 489
Mass – 828
Gosh those Texans are sure Dumb, unlike those smart New Yorkers and New England. -they’re wicked smart.
rcocean (846d30) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:44 amall of a sudden
mg (8cbc69) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:53 ami love long island
people inside
mg (8cbc69) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:58 amneed sunshine
hahahahaha, good point.
Best as I can tell, Biden’s avoiding gaffes more but he still is very stilted. Nobody is going to consider Biden close to Obama in campaign skill.
This election, more than most, is about turnout. It’s about enthusiasm. Who is willing to stand in a line? Who is willing to canvas a neighborhood or go to an event? This fall, when people get scared more than they did last month.
Who gets MAGA hat wearing punks enthusiastic more than the black president? They don’t care how well Obama campaigns. They care that he was secretly born in Kenya and that he thinks he’s better than flyover Americans. It is smart for Trump to use Obama because tan suit momjeans cannot help but come across as elitist. And even if Obama campaigns well, it just leaves the left with bitter aftertaste of Joe Biden, who can’t measure up.
Expect all sorts of outrages about Obama, and a constant messaging that wearing masks and avoiding lines = fear and weakness. They will politicize this to the point where folks on the left will oppose it. Most of those 21 year olds aren’t going to sign up absentee, and on election day, they will be afraid to stand in a line. Meanwhile the MAGA hats will be real mad as usual.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:00 amHeh.
Also, let’s note that Trump is officially on-record that former presidents can be investigated by Congress, subpoenaed to testify and eventually prosecuted for their official acts while in office.
I predict that his position on this, and the position of his cultists, will evolve dramatically once he is out of office.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:07 amIt would be amusing if they hauled Obama in front of a senate committee, and he answered every question put to him by the GOP as follows:
“I had an Article Two where I had the right to do whatever I wanted as president.”
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:12 amThere are only four things that will disillusion Trump’s base and make them stay home in November:
nk (1d9030) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:03 am1. He is not Hitler.
2. He is not a racist.
3. He was not really buggered by Roy Cohn.
4. He was only joking on The View and he does not really want to “date” his daughter.
Trump is Charlie Chaplin’s version of Hitler.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:47 amTrump removed IG who was investigating Pompeo at Pompeo’s recommendation.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:40 amnever trumpers are a diverse herd, led by the genitilia hat posse
mg (8cbc69) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:46 amTexas had a large spike in new cases yesterday. The “normal” rate has been about 1,000-1,200 cases a day and yesterday it was 1,800. The jump is because of 700 new cases in Amarillo at a meatpacking plant. Meatpacking plants may be like nursing homes because people are in close quarters for long periods of time. Plus some meatpacking plant employees are low wage employees and their families share living space, making it easier to spread disease.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:49 amI am not sure what that means, mg, but I hope your granddaughter is doing well and you are having good times together.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:51 am@144 Indeed and that’s why shambling cipher Joe Biden is going to win.
JRH (52aed3) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:51 amDRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:49 am
Not just that. The same people, day after day.
So you start with one person infected, then you get 2, 3, 5, 8 – and amount of virus in the air keeps getting higher and higher. It’s also the fact that it is an enclosed space with little ventilation.
Sammy Finkelman (c7c928) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:04 amIn my last link, Gov Abbott says Texas is testing all nursing homes, meatpacking plants, and jails so there will be a lot more cases while that is being done. The new targeted testing started earlier this month.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:07 amMaybe so, Sammy.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:08 am6. Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:13 am
No, that;s the bureaucracy. They shut it down because they discovered, presumably from news reports or it could be somebody actually sent a letter to them, that it wasn’t pure research and they were giving the results (or some results, maybe just positive ones?) to the people who had been tested and it hadn’t been approved for that. Anything used clinically needs to meet a higher standard.
Sammy Finkelman (c7c928) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:11 amIt’s been difficult discerning typical news articles from The Onion for over three years now. This one too has a little truth in it….
Damning Report Finds White House Ignored Skeletal Horse Galloping Through Sky as Early as January
noel (4d3313) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:14 amNJRob,
Your Vitamin D theory is very appealing. Vitamin D levels are low in the elderly and particularly in nursing homes, as well as the chronically ill. Vitamin D, the sunshine vitamin, could explain the differences in how Covid has impacted the various US states. Further, researchers believe there is a link between Vitamin D deficiency and the Covid cytokine storm that often leads to death:
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:06 am“ Trump is Charlie Chaplin’s version of Hitler.”
How little some people know about Trump.
If he danced a duet with a sphere it would be his face imposed on a sun.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:29 am“ That statistic comparing NY and Florida is a bit bogus”
Tell that to the relatives and friends of the 5,352 who died in NY nursing homes (compared to 665 in FL).
Then explain how NY forced presumed WuFlu patients to be admitted to nursing homes while at the same time forbidding them to be tested. Then also let them know the Comfort ship was there to be utilized for just this sort of problem, and they were denied access…..
then be prepared to duck.
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:44 am_
If Vitamin D is involved, we need to expand Vitamin D supplementation in food as they have done in the Scandinavian countries. Sunlight is a good source, too, but not everyone has access to it and/or can safely get sun exposure.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 9:13 amThe multivitamin I take every day has 125% of recommended daily value of Vitamin D.
Also, only 10 minutes of exposure to sunlight per day generates all the Vitamin D your body needs.
Either of these routes seem more practical than modifying the food chain.
And this study has been criticized:
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 9:26 amHere’s a helpful summary of the Trump’s political cleansing of inspectors general. In Bizarro TrumpWorld, the grounds for termination are anything that made or could potentially make Trump look bad.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 9:43 amEverything Trump touches, he corrupts and, not to be a broken vinyl record, everything he says should be presumed false until proven true.
“ Emmet G. Sullivan, the judge in the case of former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, is refusing to let William Barr’s Justice Department drop the charge. He’s even thinking of adding more, appointing a retired judge to ask “whether the Court should issue an Order to Show Cause why Mr. Flynn should not be held in criminal contempt for perjury.”
Pundits are cheering. A trio of former law enforcement and judicial officials saluted Sullivan in the Washington Post, chirping, “The Flynn case isn’t over until a judge says it’s over.” Yuppie icon Jeffrey Toobin of CNN and the New Yorker, one of the #Resistance crowd’s favored legal authorities, described Sullivan’s appointment of Judge John Gleeson as “brilliant.” MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner said Americans owe Sullivan a “debt of gratitude.”
One had to search far and wide to find a non-conservative legal analyst willing to say the obvious, i.e. that Sullivan’s decision was the kind of thing one would expect from a judge in Belarus. ”
Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/democrats-have-abandoned-civil-liberties
harkin (8f4a6f) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:14 am_
But we don’t know that they will be more scared in the fall. If a vaccine can be developed, or an effective treatment for coronavirus (decreasing the duration significantly) by the end of summer or even in Sept, then there would be less fear involved, and more determination to get out to vote Anyone but Trump or Anyone but a Democrat. As far as enthusiasm levels go, I think Trumpers take the cake. Even now, we can see at the protests that they don’t care about turning out in the midst of a pandemic – without a vaccine or effective treatment in place – and certainly don’t care about social distancing. Going to the polls will be a no-brainer for them. With or without a mask.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:17 ammg, what on earth does “genitlia hat posse” refer to??
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:20 am161. Leftist women who wear knitted hats shaped like female genitalia. As an avowed and proud NeverTrumpist, I find the comparison slanderous.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:28 amDana, the colloquial term for a kitty starting with “P”.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:28 amI hate to rain on the parade, but we’re not getting a vaccine this year, we’re not getting one out of phase 2 this year. If magic happens, by fall of 2021…maybe. Realistically summer of 2022 would be a best case, summer of 2024 has a fairly high likelihood, probably followed by 2030, then never, then 2022, the least likely outcome is 2021.
That’s not rain.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:29 amNot only is it the close proximity and lack of safety measures increasing the risk of Covid at meatpacking plants, but the ethnicity of employees should be added into the equation. Typically, Latino immigrants and East African refugees make up the majority of line employees, and just as people of color have been hit harder in the cities, so too in congested meatpacking plants.
Also, consider the very necessary need for meatpacking plants to maintaincold temperatures , and how that increases the risk of contagion:
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:33 amHi Gryph,
Please see my comments at 98 and 102. Also, thanks for clarification re the hat posse.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:35 amCol. Klink,
Of course you make a good point. However, I don’t have any doubt that some time before the election the administration will trumpet that a vaccine is nearly queued up for Americans (even if that is not accurate), because Trump will use the claim itself to rally Americans before they vote. This is the hill he will be willing die on. He knows that a vaccine will give his campaign the opportunity to frame him as a victorious “wartime president”. He desperately needs that win for the Big Win. If you don’t think that this is a possibility, then you haven’t been paying attention to the utter lack of integrity he has evidenced in 3 years. He will stretch out “in the near future” to a much needed “any moment now!” claim.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:43 amAbout the five sailors on the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier in Guam retesting positive for COVID-19 after quarantining for the disease, that number is now up to 13 who have tested positive for a second time.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:47 amYes, Trump will absolutely lie about where we are, he’ll claim he has it, it’s close, or Obama made him miss it. A failure can never land at Trump’s feet, his solution, claim victory with a massive lie.
I just want to set a realistic bar initially, the message from the WH requires time machines and magic. OK, noted, now people, let’s plan for life with CV-19 for the next 2-3 years. So, be courteous to your fellow humans, wear pants, wear a shirt, wear a mask, and wear some nitrile gloves. We’re supposed to be warrious right? This is the least onerous request of our ‘warriors’ in history. You must have the courage to look kind of silly. If you can’t muster that, you are a coward. Protect your family, protect your neighbors, don’t be an a$$hole.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/17/2020 @ 11:11 amForever trumpers tell themselves that people who disapprove of their hero must be blindly following left-wing propaganda, while truly independent thinkers (like themselves!) will always find a way to say that Trump is always right.
It doesn’t occur to them that people who dislike Trump can actually hear and watch him directly, and form their own judgments.
Or else the forever trumpers are protecting themselves from having to acknowledge how much they are willing to excuse and defend.
Radegunda (39c35f) — 5/17/2020 @ 11:12 amI voted for Ted Cruz.
mg (8cbc69) — 5/17/2020 @ 11:22 amBut love how Trump p o’s the press, republicans and never trumpers its a Dick swinging contest for the ages.
Keep building the wall, while i do some clinging.
A sad day when Taibbi has to school Democrats on the error of their ways.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2020 @ 11:40 amAnd school NeverTrump, as well…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2020 @ 11:41 amSo, that by any sane scoring system, Trump is getting slaughtered, since the press reports words he says. And Trump get’s mad becuase the press played his actual words, which are beyond moronic, even in the rare time they are in understandable sentances.
How many feet of that is done after 3.5 years, and what problem is it solving? Iran, Pandemic, I’m sure a couple miles of wall in the desert did something, but what of value.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/17/2020 @ 11:44 am171 — IOW, it really is all about rage and revenge.
The fact that the president is a deranged sociopath and vindictive narcissist and ignoramus who won’t or can’t learn anything is no problem, as long as it “makes the right people mad.” Right?
I favored Cruz in 2015-16, but he has surrendered to the cult that used to excoriate him — because he sees it as the way to remain at the center of power.
I’ve railed against media bias for many years. But if it comes down to accepting Trump’s word on anything are believing “the press,” it’s a lot more rational to believe “the press.”
Radegunda (39c35f) — 5/17/2020 @ 11:47 amRussia Collusion Delusion
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:25 pmDespite Wednesday’s blockbuster news about the dozens of Obama-administration officials who “unmasked” then-incoming Trump national security advisor Michael Flynn, there remains a gaping hole in the story: Where is the record showing who unmasked Flynn in connection with his fateful conversation with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak?
There isn’t one.
There is no such evidence in the unmasking list that acting national intelligence director Richard Grenell provided to Senators Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) and Ron Johnson (R., Wis.). I suspect that’s because General Flynn’s identity was not “masked” in the first place. Instead, his December 29 call with Kislyak was likely intercepted under an intelligence program not subject to the masking rules, probably by the CIA or a friendly foreign spy service acting in a nod-and-wink arrangement with our intelligence community.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/michael-flynn-unmasking-real-story-is-when-he-was-not-masked-in-the-first-place/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:31 pm166. I did. For you to try to change my mind, and for me to try to change yours, it is all a monumental waste of everyone’s time. I’m going to continue to live my life as normally as I can under the circumstances, the commentariat here is going to continue to consider me a “selfish,” “inconsiderate,” “liar” who is “lacking in common sense.” So be it.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:40 pmThe latest count over at RCP has the current death toll at 90,300+, and rising, but that’s probably an undercount. Still, it’s more than double the reported number of deaths by the flu, and that’s most likely an overcount.
Meanwhile, in Texas, the Lone Star State saw the single highest rise in daily confirmed cases of infection over the weekend and a rise in reported deaths.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-updates-texas-reports-single-highest-daily-rate-increase-of-infections/ar-BB14cpOY?ocid=spartandhp
Embedded in that report on a coronavirus update is quotes from Eric Trump, spouting some wild conspiracy theory that the deadly and debilitating disease is a “cognizant plan” by Democrats and the Biden campaign to prevent Donald Trump from holding rallies, and that the virus will magically disappear after the election and the economy miraculously recovers. He’s even more delusional than his father, who I have no doubt also believes the same thing.
I agree with Dana that Trump will fabricate lies about a fictional vaccine in the fall. The record for fastest development of a vaccine was set in the 1960s. It was for the mumps, and it took four years.
Trump is clearly losing it, becoming increasingly frustrated, lashing out, in his abject denial of his administration’s complete and utter failure in dealing with this pandemic.
https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed
Also, Obama has become increasingly vocal in his criticism of this administration. First, on a private conference call with about 300 members of his former staff, which was leaked to the media, but this weekend he came out publicly. Notably, he did not refer to Trump by name, or even mention the president (that is, acknowledge him as a president). That had to piss Trump off, but then he’s always been pissed off at Obama.
I can’t stand either one of them, or Biden for that matter. Would that Amash had not decided to not pursue the Libertarian nomination. It was his best chance, because he can’t very well run for president as an Independent. What I think happened was that he spoke with the delegates, and they told him, you’re not one of us. Which is true, because several of his policy positions do not align with the party’s. He can’t run for his congressional seat as a Libertarian, but he thinks he can win as an Independent. He’s definitely not going to return to the Republican party, not in its current form. He might, if Trump is ejected, but that’s not likely.
Amash is young, and he’s looking at 2024. But if he won’t run as Republican, can’t run as an Independent, and will not be nominated as a Libertarian, his choices are very limited. And that’s too bad, but it is what it is. If he wins reelection to Congress, he might be able to better position himself. We shall see.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:50 pmYeah once you actually dig a bit into the Trump family, the civil rights lawsuits, the ignorance and fear stoking, you understand how things got off track. Eric is nuts.
They both are impossible for me to root for. Either way, I’ll be happy whoever loses loses. The lawlessness of the current administration tips the scales though.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:53 pmI agree. I think a lot of us didn’t understand this last round. We look at Trump and scratch our heads because he’s just the worst. There’s a big difference between folks just sighing, holding their nose, voting against Hillary, and people who defend Trump’s transparent corruption.
I don’t think a vaccine is on the way, but Trump successfully convinced many (some here) of miracle snake-oil cures before. He will do it again. He will create a dynamic where doubt and reason = fear, so Trump = hope and democrats = virus conspiracy.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 12:58 pmI feel very sad for the T-rump chillens. Sure, every one of them has had and has choices to make, but consider the cess-pool of toxic awful that is such an inexorable lode-stone in their lives. How could they be anything like “normal”? Truth is, it’s amazing they haven’t all gone the route of Duh Donald’s bro, though that could still happen.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:02 pmA sad day when Taibbi has to school Democrats on the error of their ways.
It’s not surprising that you should not understand what’s going on. It is surprising that Taibbi missed out.
What Sullivan is doing is making sure everything possible comes out in public that can come out, and at the end of it, we’ll be able to tell where the corruption lies, whether it’s in the FBI or in the Trump/Barr locus.
But at this point it seems that it’s Barr who is commuting from Pinsk.
Kishnevi (46054d) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:09 pmI need to channel that idea more. I hold them responsible. Not all of them. It’s not like they had a good option in 2016 (or 2020), but you know who I mean.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:10 pmSometimes I’ll land on a super-Trumpist twitter feed or comment page, and it’s a bizarre world. They really do believe that every rage-tantrum by Trump is a courageous take-down of “the enemy of the people,” aka the media and the Deep State and the NeverTrumpers.
It doesn’t matter how unhinged Trump’s behavior is; they insist that it’s the people who notice he’s unhinged who are really “deranged.” It’s an argument that can’t lose, because Trump will keep being a loon, and other people will keep noticing, and the cultists will chortle that the great heroic Donald J. Trump is driving them nuts.
And they’ll keep saying that every “real American” loves Trump.
Radegunda (39c35f) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:13 pmYou BAD, Dustin…!!!
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:14 pmThe ones who are hard to forgive are the “intellectuals” who began promoting Trump early in the primaries as the only one who had what it took to save America.
Radegunda (39c35f) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:17 pmi think it is very nice of mr. president donald trump, who could really rock as president if he would just give up his dream to be miss universe, to be so supportive of mr. general michael flynn
it is rare for two doxies of the same man not to be jealous of each other
maybe it’s because mr. president vladimir putin has each believing that he is his favorite?
nk (1d9030) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:17 pmI know I’ve marveled at this before, but you and I were witness to Roger Kimball calling Mike “Da Liar” Flynn a “national hero”. How that good mind of a few short years ago could have been bent to that extent is simply gobsmacking…and not a little frightening. I can see a carefully considered disagreement on points here and there, but good glorious grief! How does someone sane even write that?
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:21 pmharkin (8f4a6f) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:44 am
The proportion of nursing home deaths to overall deaths is actually about the same in both NY and Florida. Meaning the policy of returning patients to the nursing homes didn’t have any important effect.
The difference in figures reflects the higher death count in New York compared to Florida in general, so the question to ask is why Florida is doing better overall. I suspect that the spike in cases in NYC may have a lot to do with that. I know very little of the credit for Florida doing better should go to DeSantis.
Kishnevi (46054d) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:22 pmRefusing to wear a mask, going out and living life, it’s a really appealing idea. There’s a Buc-ee’s sign over I-35 saying “Risk it for the brisket.” Really captures the attitude. Frankly I want that brisket and if I don’t think about how things rolled out this year, I wind up on the opposite side of things.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:24 pmNever confuse the politicians in the military with the men in the foxholes. There are only a few McRavens among them.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:26 pmBrisket in Texas?
I can’t tell you how many people, Jews and nonJews alike, assume that because I am Jewish, brisket is my favorite cut of meat.
(It’s not. Prime rib is.)
Kishnevi (46054d) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:43 pmDave 157,
Very few foods in nature contain Vitamin D. I think bread, cereal and milk have been fortified (supplemented) with Vitamin D since the 1940’s, mainly to prevent rickets in children which is why foods children ate then were chosen. Maybe we should chose other foods since those aren’t as popular now.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:45 pmAs for multivitamins:
See the link for a disvussion of the research. Also, Johns Hopkins weighs in.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:51 pmI recommend blood tests to see what vitamins and minerals you need, and take those.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:53 pmSame here, Kishnevi, except it is because I am a Texan. My favorite cut of meat (you didn’t specify beef) is Turkey breast.
felipe (023cc9) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:58 pmDRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:53 pm
felipe (023cc9) — 5/17/2020 @ 1:59 pmSage advice, DRJ.
como va felipe
narciso (7404b5) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:08 pmThis is cause for some heads to explode…
More heartening, the states that have begun to experiment with a phased reopening of public and commercial spaces have benefited doing so. Florida and Georgia, which relied on their publics to abide by guidelines that recommend frequent hand-washing, mask-wearing, and social distancing, have been rewarded for their faith. More than two weeks have passed since these states began cautiously easing their lockdowns, and their respective caseloads continue to decline. “Florida’s new cases have actually declined by 14 [percent] compared to the previous week, and Georgia’s fell by 12 [percent],” Axios reported.
Those declines are in line with harder-hit states like New York, New Jersey, and Michigan, which maintain relatively aggressive lockdown measures—a result that lends credence to the growing number of studies questioning the efficacy of Draconian “stay-at-home” orders. The lack of firm conclusions researchers can draw from these conflicting data patterns should be a source of embarrassment for those who leveraged these re-openings to prosecute a partisan grudge against their respective governors and, broadly, the Republican Party.
To some, Georgia’s Gov. Brian Kemp and Florida’s Gov. Ron DeSantis’s decisions to begin reopening their states at the end of April was the fulfillment of a demonic pact that would consign their states’ residents to an orgy of death. At least, those were the dispassionate, more-in-sorrow predictions of those who were guided only by “the science.”
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/an-orgy-of-plague-death-deferred/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:29 pm@200 Col H, what, exactly, do you think is the point of the discussion people are having about when to reopen? In your thought process, what reason do you think people have for caring about that discussion?
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:37 pmColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:29 pm
Florida is not pertinent. The two counties with the bulk of the cases in Florida won’t start reopening until tomorrow.
Kishnevi (0acdcd) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:44 pmodd how that didn’t happen, although the atlantics jamelle boulle and Amanda mull, have been so right in the past, sarc, the law of averages would dictate they get something right, not really,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:45 pmSeriously. I would always go to Stiles Switch in Austin, near DPS, and get some turkey. I haven’t been there for months and might try to bbq a turkey at home.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:47 pmIt’s fascinating how you and the article framed it. Deaths = what democrats want. Freedom and survival will make democrat heads explode. If you oppose democrats, you aren’t scared, don’t wear face masks, and if you did urge caution, it was in bad faith. You really wanted a demonic orgy of death (lol at your expression!)
What’s interesting is that this strategy of framing caution as an evil conspiracy is going to work extremely well for voter turnout for the MAGA hats.
What’s also interesting is how biased the score keeping is. Trump said 15 cases, no more. We’re around 100,000 dead with cases into the millions. But Trump got this right, those democrats got it wrong, and we can’t analyze risk, reward, and the unknown without constantly framing it as scoring.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:52 pmThe Virginian-Pilot
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The beach at the Virginia Beach Oceanfront was closed today. But it was packed.
This photo was taken at 3:42 p.m. this afternoon by Virginian-Pilot photographer Kaitlin McKeown. https://pilotonline.com/business/consumer/vp-bz-coronavirus-saturday-reopening-20200516-bwnano4lhrhhhmjc6iw35d6t6m-story.html
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How often is the press going to use telephoto lens shots to make it look like people are right next to each other? The buildings look like a scene from Hong Kong. They’re not right on top of each other like that.
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Here is an overhead view. People are in small groups, spaced apart. And note the distance between the buildings.
https://twitter.com/JayCaruso/status/1262130158116495361?s=20
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I live here. This is not an accurate depiction of the crowds at the oceanfront yesterday. This is our local paper trying to provoke our Governor into keeping our beaches shut down through Memorial Day. The day before this, they dropped their “It’s a Mistake to Reopen” editorial.
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COVFEFE-19
@TinPotDickTator
Yep they did the same thing here in Huntington Beach. It caused Gavin Newsom to close down the beaches for a few weekends, but the overhead shot showed it wasn’t that crowded and I was down there and saw it wasn’t that crowded
harkin (b524bb) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:54 pmFor the third time, Peter Robinson interviews Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford Medical School for Uncommon Knowledge. Dr. Bhattacharya is cogent and articulate, and this conversation, a little under an hour long, is well worth your time. Among other things, he reports on a study he has just completed of COVID-19 in employees of major league baseball.
Dr. Bhattacharya brings bad news: 1) Only a small percentage of Americans, less than one percent in his study, maybe two or three percent nationwide, have had COVID-19. Herd immunity requires something like 70 percent or 80 percent to have antibodies. So the disease has a very long way to go before it has run its course. 2) There is no vaccine for COVID-19 on the horizon, and there may never be one. 3) The shutdowns that have paralyzed the developed world have, to some degree, slowed the spread of the disease, at tremendous cost. But that only delays the inevitable. There will never be a time when it is “safe” to stop the lockdowns.
The disease isn’t going away. 4) Dr. Bhattacharya is also eloquent in describing the disastrous human toll, in lives and misery, that the shutdowns have inflicted around the globe.
On the other hand, Dr. Bhattacharya has good news, too. The fatality rate from COVID-19 is low–worldwide, somewhere between 0.1 percent and 0.5 percent, probably closer to the low end of that range. The typical seasonal flu is said to have a fatality rate of around 0.1 percent. So COVID-19 is probably somewhat worse than the average flu virus.
Further, another of Dr. Bhattacharya’s studies found that 70 percent of those who contract COVID-19 are asymptomatic. That is, they wouldn’t know they had had the virus if they weren’t tested. That percentage may be low. Studies of prisoners in several states have found that more than 90 percent of those who tested positive were asymptomatic. So the good news is, when you get COVID-19–and it is highly probable that you will get it, regardless of what governments do–it is unlikely to do you any harm, and you probably won’t know you had it.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/a-scientific-explanation-of-why-shutdowns-are-useless.php
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:58 pmnarciso (7404b5) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:08 pm
Muy bien, compadre.
felipe (023cc9) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:02 pmCol H, what is the point of the conversation we are having about when to reopen? Why do people care about the discussion? What do you think the goal is?
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:14 pmI must have missed it. I’m not attempting to change your mind so much as try to understand why, in the face of reports that strongly suggest (see: 98) that the disease is indeed, “deadly” and “debilitating,” you continue to hold that it isn’t. I read the report you linked to regarding the Colorado man, and have no doubt that there is some confusion about how Covid deaths are recorded, but overall, I don’t think that’s the case. I think those are the exceptions, not the rule.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:17 pmDustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 2:47 pm
I, too have eaten at Stiles Switch. I took my sister there (before she passed away) who threw a grand tantrum because of a TX A&M poster or flag (I forget) that was displayed on a wall. Quite a ruckus! I haven’t, yet, found courage enough to go back, out of fear of being recognized. The prospect of returning strikes me, irrationally, as an act of dishonor to her. Ah, such is my love for my big sister, who shared with me, upon her return from her first day at kindergarten, the wonder of a thing called “play-dough.”
felipe (023cc9) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:21 pmTaibbi understood early in the game that being an a$$hole gets clicks. His comments about authoritarianism are delusional, linking Flynngate and “Russiagate” and state government responses to the virus.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:22 pmDave @ 126,
That was a really interesting article. I think the plan they have in mind to re-open schools/work has a lot of moving parts, and I can’t picture how it would play out in the real world. One thing that I’ve been thinking about, with regard to opening elementary schools is, what will recess time look like? At any given time, for 15 minutes a go, you could have an entire grade level out for recess: 4 classes of one grade level at 30 kids a class would mean that 120 kids are on the field/blacktop at a single time. How do you manage social distancing? Administrators that I’ve spoken with roll their eyes at the whole idea of reopening in any normal sense of the word, and say they have visions of kids marching around the perimeter of the field, six feet apart for the full 15 minutes. Also, one needs to consider the reality that primary students are constantly rubbing their faces, picking their noses, and touching their mouths and everything in sight. What kind of hygiene monitoring will be required of a teacher? Lunchtime would also be problematic, on top of everything else. Anyway, it’s hard to see how the pieces could come together between work/school, and without strenuous resistance from employers and parents.
(Nic, if you’re around, maybe you could weigh in on the school situation.)
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:26 pmVoting for the 2nd biggest liar on the campaign trail is not a point in your column. Woe to my GOP.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:27 pmThat is amazing. Your sister was lucky to have your loyalty and there is no shortage of good competition for food in Austin.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:33 pmF*cking Amash.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:33 pmMaybe I’ll write in Nikki Haley. Still working that out.
Hey, Dustin, in case you see this, a while back you linked a remote gig job for lawyers website that i’d never heard of. Do you remember? can you relink?
aphrael (7962af) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:36 pm@213 Right now districts are still in the “throw noodles at the wall and see what sticks” phase. There are bunches of surveys out and a lot of brainstorming happening. And we are all working with the idea that it’s a given that the state will not hold us to the required number of days and/or minutes per day for students to attend school during the year.
This is the discussion I have heard for the elementary level (I am a secondary person, so I am not directly involved). There seem to be roughly two schools of thought for the most popular options.
1. Running schools in shifts, so that there is a morning shift that comes 8-11ish and an afternoon from 11-2ish with no lunch except for people with economic need. This would cut the class sizes in half. Recess possibly by grade level, each class having their own marked off area.
2. Some kind of modified year round, cutting class sizes by about 1/4 to 1/3. Recess by class in designated areas, lunch in classrooms.
3. The third option seems to be having the kids come every other dayish, but that seems less popular with the parents due to daycare issues.
(secondary in next post so I don’t word-wall because it is more complex.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:36 pm“ The proportion of nursing home deaths to overall deaths is actually about the same in both NY and Florida. Meaning the policy of returning patients to the nursing homes didn’t have any important effect.”
Or maybe the fact that they also told people to get out & about in March and hey don’t forget to check out a Broadway show plus they didn’t start sanitizing subway cars till a couple weeks ago helped even things out.
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More good stuff from NY:
Anne McCloy
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.@NYGovCuomo says no one should be prosecuted for nursing home deaths. Governor says vulnerable people are going to die from this virus no matter what you do. @CBS6Albany
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That’s the spirit!
harkin (b524bb) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:42 pm_
Nic, take a look at Dave’s linked report, and see if you think that would be feasible.
I’m guessing there will be some sort of tweaked Early Bird-Later Gator scheduling on a year-round calendar, including 4-tracks. Also, where I’m at, there is serious talk about giving parents an option: learning on campus 3 days a week/remote learning 2 days a week. This would be done at each grade level, with classes flip-flopping.
ADA would seem to be an additional, and huge problem to figure out. That’s a lot of money in question, and how attendance would be addressed seems like a logistical nightmare. Even on the best days, attendance is a problem…
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:45 pmIf you bbq a turkey, I strongly recommend brining first. Same with brisket.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:48 pmA economy reopening plan by Tabarrok-Ohlhaver. Yes, it involves vigorous testing and contact tracing.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:54 pmWho did you vote for, Paul?
BuDuh (a4a65e) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:54 pm@213 Secondary. Secondary is a mess. There are credit problems and college requirement problems and actually information delivery problems. There is also a sibling problem is the elementaries go year round. It’s full of problems.
It basically also comes down to a few options.
1. Just cores. Morning shift/afternoon shift 4 45 minutes classes, just the core classes. No lunch except economic need. Requires extending the teacher’s duty day slightly, which costs money. Does not meet state graduations standards, may not meet college admissions standards. Music parents are having a fit about it.
2. Modified year round (this will not work. I don’t care how many elementary parents keep bringing this up, it will not work. There are very few schools that run enough sections for each teacher to be able to be on one track, and, not being able to clone themselves, they cannot teach more than one class at a time and there aren’t enough classrooms or non-teachers who could proctor, to run an oncampus distance learning section of the same class simultaneously.)
3. Block schedule 1 or 2 full days a week, even/odd sessions (2 to 4 groups or teams). By quarter. This will require some distance learning at least because you are only getting 1/3 to 1/2 of the instructional time.
4. Block schedule 9 week blocks. 1 quarter on campus, 1 quarter distance learning. I don’t even know.
5. Alternating days of distance learning. Half the school comes onto campus one day while the other half watches the lecture remotely, next day they trade.
There are others, but those are the main ones right now. It makes my head ache and my brain hurt.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:55 pm
BuDuh (a4a65e) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:58 pmNikki Haley
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Hard to see any scenario that Pres. Obama didn’t know about what was being done to Flynn. For his Chief of Staff and Biden to be among the people requesting the unmasking takes this to a new level. #AmericansDeserveAnswers
210. The reports that suggest the disease is “deadly” and “debilitating” are lies. It’s that simple. And if you don’t believe that, I am simply beyond understanding.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2020 @ 3:58 pmNikki Haley Retweeted
Newsmax
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@NikkiHaley
comments on the FBI’s efforts to ‘corrupt’ Michael Flynn: “It’s the most disgusting thing we’ve ever seen.”
“My biggest fear is, if Biden wins, we will never be able to hold these people accountable.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/newsmax/status/1258910114871947266
Video at the link
BuDuh (a4a65e) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:03 pmThis is why I’m not scared of CoViD-19.
If I did accept the premise that CoViD-19 is the most deadly and debilitating disease we’ve ever seen in our lifetimes, it’s reasonable to think that our economic suicide did not a single [expletive deleted]ing thing to change its course.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:04 pm
BuDuh (a4a65e) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:06 pmNikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
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May 9
Congratulations @GovKemp for protecting the citizens of your state and getting Georgia up and running again. #StrongGovernors
Well, this doesn’t look good.
https://www.axios.com/tourism-economy-coronavirus-e6f01ee9-7b38-49e2-9245-3622f11fbffb.html
The travel and tourism industry is crashing. People aren’t willing to travel. That’s really going to hurt cities dependent on tourism, vacation sites. It’s certainly going to hurt airlines, not to mention cruise ships.
I’ve seen this before, in the winter of 1983-84. Prior to that, the Rio Grande Valley had developed over decades into the agricultural center of the United States and the citrus capital of the world. It was also the vacation destination for tens of thousands of Winter Texans. They came down here in droves every year.
Hey, temperate climate, easy access to beaches on South Padre Island and northern Mexico, great cuisine, lots of restaurants, and golf courses, lots of golf courses. Most of these people came from the Midwest, but I saw license plates on cars from all fifty states in the 1970s.
There were entire subdivisions made up of trailer homes for Winter Texans. Several of them bought physical homes or condos, which they declared as their primary residence. Texas has no state income tax, and residency requires only two month of occupancy a year. So this is where people would come to avoid income taxes in their home states. It’s a common practice.
I came down from Austin on vacation from The University in 1983. Went to sleep on Christmas Eve. The temperature dropped to 16 degrees overnight. Woke up Christmas Day, looked outside, and everything was covered in ice! I’m talking about inches of ice all over everything, everywhere. Freak out.
Temperatures didn’t get out of the 20s for weeks. Everything froze, and everything died. It was a freak weather event, an arctic blast that blew down from Canada, through the Midwest all the way to South Texas. It caused the death of many a family farm and is what led to corporate farms. The government offered assistance, but it came with a condition–you can only grow certain crops at certain amounts at our discretion. A lot of farmers said hell no to that and went into bankruptcy and foreclosure. Private equity firms then moved in, bought large tracts of land, and built corporate farms in cooperation with the government.
The Rio Grande Valley was hit particularly hard. Low lying land, 80 feet below sea level, humid air, everything froze to death. It’s one thing to replant a corn, wheat or rice field, whatever, that would take a season or two. But to replant a citrus grove? That would take a decade.
There were 44,000 foreclosures within three months, and thousands more to follow in the months and years that followed. And that was just in the five counties that make up the Rio Grande Valley. Banks failed, businesses closed, it was complete economic destruction. 1 out of 3 real estate companies were out of business in six months.
What did my mother do during this catastrophe? Since you asked, what would you do? You’d just become the primary owner and principal broker of a major real estate corporation a few years before. Other companies are dropping like flies all around. What would you do?
Um, corner the repo market. Yeah, that’s what she did. She set up a team of contractors, plumbers and electricians, who could get a property ready for sale in a few weeks. For a couple of years, her company was the only one in the entire Rio Grande Valley that could successfully process repossessed homes. She made a lot of money, and expanded her company throughout all five counties, everywhere from Brownsville to Rio Grande City. Because the company itself is registered as a broker, all she had to do was pay membership dues at every board, so she could list properties in every city. She didn’t need to open up other offices. Everything could be performed from on central location.
I of course didn’t have anything to do with this. Well, I did clue her into the fact the owner was having an affair with the secretary in 1980. I just pointed out the obvious, then drove back to Austin. A few weeks later, she called. “You were right! He’s having an affair, that son of a bitch.” Yeah, well, what are you going to do? “I’m going to do something!” Okay. A month later I got another call. “Do you know what I did today?” Mother, I’m 300 miles away. How could I possibly know what you did today? “I bought the company.”
Wow, go Mom! What she did was get together in private meetings with the eight other realtors. She would put up 52%, and they would each put up 6%. Then she walked into the owner’s office and said, “I run a real estate company, not a brothel. Either you sell me this company, or I quit.” He said, “Okay, quit.” She turned around and walked out, and all the other realtors walked out with her.
Now what? This guy had phones ringing, houses on the market, deals pending, and no one to work for him. So he started calling around trying to recruit realtors. Here’s the thing. She was the elected president of the Board of Realtors. Everyone knew and respected her. So they all asked, why would I come work for you, if she won’t?
He had to sell to her. Either that or declare bankruptcy. He was losing thousands a week, and had millions of property on the market, but no one was willing to work for him, and no one else was making an offer on the company. Who would? A real estate company with no realtors? No one is going to buy something like that.
Now the realtors themselves own the company. And under her direction, they took it Valley-wide.
Hers is an incredible story. She’s one of the most respected brokers in the state and one of the most successful businesswomen in South Texas. Today, her company is the largest, most profitable independent real estate corporations south of San Antonio. There might be a few there, or in Austin, Houston, Dallas, maybe El Paso, that generate more sales, but none across several counties.
I didn’t go into real estate until late 2003. I was perfectly happy being a teacher, but when my father was dying I swore to him that I would take care of my mother. “You’re going to own your own business, son!” That was the last thing he ever said to me, before he died three weeks later.
I don’t want to own this business, never have. My mother knows that; she understands me in ways my father never did. But we make a good team. She does listings and sales. I do research and marketing. I locate the homes, perform inspections, find comparable sales and listings, comprise price opinions, and write ads. She does the managerial work at the office and keeps the books.
Maybe that’s the way it was always intended to be, I don’t know. But I keep my oath and help her in every way I can.
There was a period between 2004 and 2014, the beginning and end of the financial crisis, when we were listing and selling 120 properties a year. No one realtor could do all that work. The average realtor nationwide will list and sell 6 properties a year. It was insane.
15-20 assignments a month, foreclosures in multiple cities across several counties. “You go east, I’ll go west,” she would say. Occupancy reports have to be submitted within 24 hours, and when you’re talking about hundreds of miles of territory, that’s a lot of work to get done in a day.
But we got it done. Sold a lot of houses, made a lot of money, just the two of us. Things have slowed down over the last few years. But that was to be expected.
There’s a moratorium on foreclosures and evictions at this time. Listings and sales are way down across the country. The summer months, which otherwise would see the highest volume of sales, are going to be painful, because hardly anyone can afford to buy a home now. The collapse of travel and tourism only makes matters worse.
I’m expecting a huge increase in business closings, bankruptcies and foreclosures in the coming months. That would seem to be a good thing for us, because we are well adept in marketing repossessed properties, both residential and commercial. But if there are no buyers, there is no market, no matter how many sellers there are.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:08 pm@220 Having had a look at some of the other possible plans, I don’t think it’s the worst idea and could be as feasible as anything else.
Part of the issues that schools have is that what we do with kids impacts and is impacted by so many other things.
Most obviously the daycare issue at the elementary and sometimes jr. high levels.
But also who does or does not have access to internet. If you are a title 1 school/ heavily title 1 district, a lot of your students may not have internet access, or may only have it through mom’s crappy phone. Distance learning is challenging for those students because they can’t really watch a lecture and their parents often struggle to help them with textbook or work-sheet material.
We have all kinds of reporting requirements at the state level for things like ADA (attendance), drop out rates, discipline data, just all kind of things and it’s all set up around a traditional school environment.
Curriculum is set up to be delivered at a certain pace, so textbooks and other materials are created in a way that sets up a specific rhythm.
Colleges have stupid and unnecessary entrance requirements that cause students to need extra course work, which reduces flexibility. (Almost nobody needs Calculus, yes UC system I’m looking at you.)
Honestly, if this whole thing makes us look, nationally, at how we deliver education to children and what information we deliver to them, I wouldn’t be sad about it.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:09 pm(sorry for the rant 😛 )
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:11 pmI predict that his position on this, and the position of his cultists, will evolve dramatically once he is out of office.
Of course. Clinton’s did, too. Nixon was never prosecuted (but WAS required to give a deposition).
How quickly “The President has immunity” changes to “We don’t jail former Presidents here.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:12 pmAnd they would be right, you are the walking talking billboard for an inconsiderate, selfish, a-hole.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:14 pmTrump is Charlie Chaplin’s version of Hitler.
Trump is Hollywood Central Casting’s version of all Republicans.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:15 pmthat’s why shambling cipher Joe Biden is going to win.
A shambling cipher no more. He’s come out for radical leftism. New Green Deal, Medicaid for All, high taxes, free college, Bernie’s whole program.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:17 pmThrowing a flag on #234
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:18 pmThe NY Times has this to say, approvingly, about Biden’s veer to the hard Left:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/us/politics/joe-biden-economy-democrats.html
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:23 pmI’m in WA State, BuDuh, where Hillary won by 16, so my vote was a throwaway. Instead of choosing between Sh*tstain and Smegma, I went 3rd party protest vote and pulled the lever for Gary Johnson.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:23 pmBoth parties amply displayed their dysfunction by who they nominated so, in my mind, a protest vote was best alternative.
This year, Biden will likely win WA State by a wider margin. I won’t vote for the Democrat* and I won’t vote for Trump (never have, never will), so it’ll be a write-in for the most promising Republican.
* Although I could be talked into writing in Bill Gates.
And you better believe they will do everything they can to make sure the economy is in the toilet in November. If you think that is to save lives, you’re one of them “useful” folk.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:25 pmI have already voted against Trump in my state’s June primary, as they are encouraging mail ballots. I voted for the uncommitted slate.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:26 pmPaul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:23 pm
I think you can’t really do that, because you are technically not voting for president but for Electors (whose names you do not see.)
Only rhe Electors themselves can trow n other names – well the Supreme Court will decide what they can do. f they are bound by their pledges or not, or can be replaced etc.
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:31 pmMore great stuff about New York’s response:
EXCLUSIVE: New York Admits Knowingly Undercounting Nursing Home Deaths After Quietly Changing Reporting Rules
https://amp.dailycaller.com/2020/05/15/new-york-coronavirus-reporting-nursing-home-deaths-undercounting?__twitter_impression=true
harkin (b524bb) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:31 pm_
The reports that suggest the disease is “deadly” and “debilitating” are lies. It’s that simple. And if you don’t believe that, I am simply beyond understanding.
Yes. You are a fringe nutter who is beyond understanding reality.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:39 pmI am simply beyond understanding.
This part, at least, is clear.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:42 pmIf I did accept the premise that CoViD-19 is the most deadly and debilitating disease we’ve ever seen in our lifetimes, it’s reasonable to think that our economic suicide did not a single [expletive deleted]ing thing to change its course.
Again, reality just passes you by totally unscathed.
But nice try at a straw man!
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:42 pmYour General Election vote seems unrelated to the Ted Cruz Primary vote that you criticized. Who did you vote for in the primary?
BuDuh (bde97c) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:42 pmThe reports that suggest the disease is “deadly” and “debilitating” are lies.
All right, call me a liar to my face. I know two people who died and NEITHER of them was anywhere near death, and would (and had) survived the flu without issue. Time and again. You are not making yourself look good with this excursion into insanity.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:44 pmAnd I can do that and I will. There aren’t Electors on my mail-in ballot, but actual candidates and a line for a write-in. I can’t and won’t speak for how other states do it.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:49 pmKasich.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:50 pmThe current update on the death toll by RCP is 90,900+.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:51 pm11. Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/16/2020 @ 10:26 am
The two statistics don’t contradict each other (and don;t cover the same time period, or area for that matter)
1. Deaths increasing more or less steadily for a month (but not if you exclude long term care facilities.)
2. ]Texas experiencing its highest and second-highest daily death toll on Thursday and Friday
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:52 pmGryph, why would these scientists and doctors make up such lies?
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:53 pm249. Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:49 pm
Are you talking abou the primary?
You couldn’t have received anything fr the general election.
For the general election look closely. See if it says “Electors for” in smaller print.
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:55 pm253. Let me answer a question with a question: What is it about scientists and doctors that make you believe they are above reproach? Even assuming they don’t suffer from the universal human desire for power, money, and fame, are they any less likely to make mistakes than the rest of us?
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:56 pmI don;t know how they tally the vote.
There mght be official wrte-in candidates (where acandidate has submitted names of Electors) or there might be ..nothing. and even nothing they might count, or just count it a spoiled ballot like as if yu;d written n “none of the above’
Sammy Finkelman (6c9102) — 5/17/2020 @ 4:57 pmMaybe the “we’re all going to die” types can explain the following official stats:
US Military:
Total Cornavirus Cases: 5,171
Hospitalizations: 114
Deaths: 2
Yes, that’s right. T-W-O.
rcocean (846d30) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:01 pmKasich.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:03 pmWell, I’d choose him over Trump if was the only other choice, but there were other choices. Kasich was a shill for Trump at the end.
Consider this report:
Further, researchers are looking at SARS (part of the same family as the novel coronavirus) survivors to estimate what long-term effects coronavirus patients might face.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:04 pmWhat is it about scientists and doctors that make you believe they are above reproach?
Another straw man, conjured in the crazy hope of arguing a fringe nutter position.
But, please, continue. I love it when you expose yourself like this!
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:05 pmI’m sorry to hear Justin Amash has withdrawn from the Libertarian party race. Supposedly, his fanbase, people who hate trump, thought an Amash 3rd party run would hurt Joe Biden. So Amash withdrew. It makes sense, because when the choice is between Joe Biden who believes in lower taxes, religious liberty, less Government regulation, and loves Business and Donald Trump, you can see why Amash withdrew.
Hopefully, the libertarian in 2020, will nominate someone who loves “smaller Government” as much as Bill Weld did.
rcocean (846d30) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:07 pmAphrael, I can’t find the link after digging around. When I get to my laptop I’ll check the search history as probably find it and I’ll make sure you see it. Sorry! I haven’t used the app (I’m not a lawyer though I’m taking the bar exam in Albuquerque this year).
I think the democrats are in complete disarray, perhaps due to the way social media works. It’s very easy to use AOC or whoever to wedge issue the hell out of those guys. So even in this horrible job environment, I fully expect to see democrats talk about $1200 checks for illegal aliens, forgiving huge student loan debt, etc. Things that will get working Americans frustrated as they struggle to make ends meet. And Trump will just tell them to toughen up, lose the mask, and get in line to vote.
All the math, especially economic, shows that Trump has no chance, and he doesn’t if the democrats stay out of their own way. But.
Dustin (d59cff) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:08 pmThe VA has been pretty aggressive in invoking strict measures to prevent killing or disabling vets.
What do they know, anyhow?
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:09 pmFirst, I’ve never implied that doctors/scientists are above reproach, so the premise of your question is inaccurate.
Second, no one is exempt from the universal temptations you listed, at some point in time or another. But that doesn’t mean that everyone gives into them. Also, all humans err, no doubt. But the goal of researchers is to eventually eliminate any errors to be able to make a judgment. While the novel coronavirus is just that, researchers, clinicians, scientists, immunologists, epidemiologists, and doctors are not new at this.
As to your claim that the reports by doctors that I’ve cited are lies, note that I have cited any number of reports from any number of place around the world. Is there no country with honest clinicians reporting honestly?
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:11 pmThe US military is mostly under 30. Only about 7% are over 40, and people in poor health don’t serve.
Over 63% of the US population is 40 and up.
I bet that pro football players have really good stats, too. And it means nothing.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:15 pmFurther, researchers are looking at SARS (part of the same family as the novel coronavirus) survivors to estimate what long-term effects coronavirus patients might face.
There are patients who never experienced much in symptoms, too. It seems that the make or break point is whether it gets deep into the lungs. Once it does that, you are going to die or have life-long problems. But not everyone’s experience is like that. If the virus fails to take over vital cells, its damage is quite limited, but there is a tipping point past which things get grim. Four out of five ventilator patients die, according to my doctor.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:20 pmThe military will not allow coronavirus survivors to enlist, calling it “permanently disqualifying”. And why would they do that? Because they are unsure “whether respiratory damage from the virus is long-lasting or permanent, and whether that can be assessed; the likelihood of recurring flare-ups, even if someone has had two consecutive negative tests; and the possibility that one bout of COVID-19 might not provide full immunity for the future, and could potentially leave someone at a higher risk to contract it again, perhaps with worse complications.”
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:22 pmJeepers, anymore it seems that every comment thread on this blog ends up sounding like the bickering of an old married couple. Snipe, snipe, snipe. Bicker, bicker, bicker. Peck, peck, peck.
Could it possibly be that both sides may be correct at the same time re: an endless argument about application of the phrase “deadly and debilitating.”
By all reports so far, Covid-19 may be very “deadly and debilitating,” primarily but not exclusively for an identifiable and relatively small segment of those who are infected by this virus.
Additional date collected re: cases needing hospitalization, as well as broadened testing, have seemed to demonstrate that it is not necessarily “deadly and debilitating” for the much larger part of the infected population, a substantial number of whom in fact may be a-symptomatic or only mildly affected or if somewhat worse than mild, still quite treatable.
No one is 100% right, nor 100% wrong. …like most things in life, eh? 🙂
ColoComment (2429fb) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:22 pmYou are a loon. You’ve been spewing lies and and just idiotic notions for weeks. You were saying its not a big deal at 1 death, 1,000, 10,000, now 100,000. You still spout your idiotic lies. You don’t exist in reality, just a crazy person.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:23 pmEdit: Additional *data*
ColoComment (2429fb) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:24 pmWhat old Moana is now maintaining is the existence of the most immense, all-encompassing conspiracy EVAH. This goes with his fringe nutter lies, untruths (Mah gawd-given freeeeeedumbs are being trampled!), and other cray-cray crap.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:26 pmWhat is it about scientists and doctors that make you believe they are above reproach?
Uh, they are subject to the Scientific Method and rules that generally require that what they claim has proof and that proof can be reproduced. A few fleids (climate “science” comes to mind) are fuzzy and involve predicting the future of a global system; something that is hard to subject to experiment.
But try to play fast and loose with chemistry or physiology and you might get some traction for a while (like claiming a malaria drug saves lives), but you will have to face empirical results in the end. It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature, and in fact it’s not possible.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:26 pmCould it possibly be that both sides may be correct at the same time re: an endless argument about application of the phrase “deadly and debilitating.”
Ummm… No.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:28 pmClimate science is no more a science than economics or sociology, and for much the same reasons.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:28 pmIt may be simple accident here that Rags and I agree. Or maybe just a sign that the 3rd party is completely out to lunch.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:29 pmKevin, we often agree.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:33 pmThe ferguson imperial college model, the hockey stick by other name.
Narciso (7404b5) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:42 pm272. “Subject to” the scientific method, eh? Even though climate change is complete and utter bulls**t? They aren’t subject to anything, particularly when “peer review” means that it’s scientists critiquing other scientists.
264. I dunno, Dana. What is your opinion on the way Dr. Knut Wittkowski has come out in favor of ending lockdowns? Rather vociferously, I might add.
I feel the same way about CoViD-19 that I feel about climate change hokum. Anyone who sites “scientific consensus” as a vehicle for deciding policy is a liar because science is not about consensus. Science is about formulating a hypothesis and then conducting controlled experiments to either prove or disprove a given hypothesis.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:45 pmSo I’ll say it again: If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want to stay home, stay home. Make your $600 a week off the backs of those who are still working. I don’t care. But I will call out slander and libel where and when I see and hear it
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:47 pmI agree with ColoComment 268. Covid is horrible for some, bad for others, not that bad for most, and maybe some of us will never get it. It is like car wrecks — no one knows if it will happen to them and, if it does, what will result. But it is more random than car wrecks and other bad things that can happen, and the consequences for some are deadly and debilitating. Maybe it is more like a nation-wide spate of unpredictable plane crashes than everyday car wrecks, and that is what makes it something we want to avoid.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:50 pmBullet wounds, land mines, strokes are also not necessarily deadly and debilitating, but they’ve killed less people in the last 2 months than CV-19 in the US.
There is no measure that CV-19 isn’t “deadly and debilitating”, even putting that sentence together is idiotic. 90,978 dead as of this minute, over 3 months. A week from now it will be over 105,000. some additional tens of thousands by the 4th of July, and half a million by Christmas. Not “deadly and debilitating” my @$$.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:52 pmA person who was Covid-19 positive attended a church service and exposed 180 people, officials say
The parishioners may get infected and some may die, but they were able to enjoy there freedom of religion as God intended.
Ripmurdock (dbc0c2) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:54 pmAnyone who sites “scientific consensus” as a vehicle for deciding policy is a liar because science is not about consensus. Science is about formulating a hypothesis and then conducting controlled experiments to either prove or disprove a given hypothesis.
And nobody here has, Moana. But data can’t be ignored. Which, of course, you insist on doing because reality is not your colloquitor.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:57 pmThe Covid-positive person knew s/he had been tested and should have isolated until the results came.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:59 pmThis is corona virus adjacent re the economy, but it’s a thinky thought I’ve been noodling about due to several stories I’ve seen this week regarding legacy businesses and business models vs. non-legacy ones (and some that didn’t used to be legacy but now are). I have no idea if anyone else might be interested in this but I’m gonna talk about it anyway.
So, the things that brought this up for me were:
1. JC Penny’s economic struggles.
2. Bookshop- a new website for buying books that is used by indie book stores and that such websites may now be overtopping amazon.
3. The green new deal stuff.
4. someone’s comment about eggs in California vs everywhere else.
5. My PG&E bill
We, as a country, currently spend a lot of money propping up very cumbersome business models and our politicians spend a lot of time selling us out to lobbyists for those businesses that run those same business models. Is this really beneficial for us in the long term? And does it encourage legacy businesses to remain stuck in old thinking? As a citizen does it benefit me?
I’m going to ignore the politics, because I have no need for one “team” or another to be right or wrong in an partisan or ideological way.
Department stores were great, at one point (they still aren’t terrible if you don’t know what you are looking for). But for a lot of us, outlets are better. If I need jeans, I can go to Macy’s and if I can find them, there are 3 styles of Levis, two of which are in my size. If I go to the Levi’s outlet, I can find 10-20, all in my size. If I need to buy levi’s, where do you think I go? And a lot of people, once their know their style and size, just buy levi’s online. Yes, the malls are dying, but when they were popular, there might have been one-two malls per metro area, now we have double to triple that number. Should we subsidize dying malls when the need for that model was never as extensive as we thought it was?
Power is changing. Why are we spending so much subsidizing the legacy system instead of letting them figure out if they need to diversify or fail. If I had the upfront cash and intended to stay in my house of the next 10 years, I’d put in solar panels and make a profit. Why aren’t we encouraging the state and local governments to do the same in areas where it makes sense? Power costs your and my taxes.
Amazon now sells everything, so unless I know what I want specifically, I can’t find anything. God knows it’s a crapshoot if I’m just browsing because the put self published efanfic junk in with actual professional novesl. Even if I want to buy a book from a specific author a lot of the time I have to click through pages of IDK, cookware, produced by a person with the same name. I just WANT TO BUY A BOOK. Also, they have so overexpanded their offerings that unless you pay extra for prime, a lot of times the shipping date can be far later than when you bought. They haven’t changed their essential model in 25 years (other than market, which is so terrible it’s almost fraudulent IMO). Legacy bookstores, on the other hand, have had to, and I think it’s probably been good for them, where-as Amazon has been acting like a legacy corporation that took over a shopping mall and the fleamarket next to it.
Which kind of leads to the idea of mass production vs. targeted markets and kind of monopolies(also, the eggs 😛 ). Part of effective capitalism is knowing the costs and benefits of the products you are looking at. 63% of CA voters looked at the cost and benefits of legacy egg factory-farming and decided against it (yes, 37% either didn’t care or just wanted cheaper eggs, but that’s what direct democracy looks like). If all we did was prop up the legacy factory farming, we never would have gotten the eggs that we wanted, instead we looked beyond the current industry and got a better product.
I’m not sure where I’m going with this, but I think it’s the idea that there are costs to economic change that we might be paying some of right now, but also benefits and if you are a brewpub that’s suddenly cornered the canned craft brew market in the 5 towns surrounding you, that isn’t always a bad thing.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:04 pmWidespread testing might not work in America. We love our ‘freedom’ too much.
Ripmurdock (dbc0c2) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:04 pm……. Tom Frieden, a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told The Washington Post, “Our ability to get to the new normal depends to a great extent on our ability to test, isolate, contact trace and quarantine.” Public health leaders are essentially unanimous: This is, they believe, America’s most viable escape route from the pandemic. It’s what has largely contained the virus in multiple countries, including Germany, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan.
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…… But even a technically sound program is useless without widespread consent. And obtaining such consent “would require a major reduction in our liberties and a prolonged period of increased surveillance,” as journalist Stephen Bush points out. Will Americans accept those reductionswillingly and quickly enough to implement an effective testing regimen? It’s hard to imagine.
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East Asian democracies such as Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan with successful testing programs differ from the United States in having democratized relatively recently. These nations carry what foreign policy expert Hans Kundnani calls an “authoritarian residue,” which promotes compliance with government-imposed coronavirus measures. ……
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Americans’ relative lack of deference to their government extends to matters of health. Of all wealthy democracies, only in the United States have legions of voters fought for decades to prevent a government guarantee of health care for all citizens. Americans and the politicians they elect are also highly protective of personal health information — often with good reason. The app at the heart of Singapore’s coronavirus tracing system records people’s disease status in a fashion that clearly would be illegal under U.S. law. So would the South Korean app that alerts you to the identity of infected people nearby. Clusters of gun-toting protesters opposing public health measures are a real — and uniquely American — problem, but it’s the much more prevalent distrust in government’s role in public health that would curtail the success of any test, trace and isolate program.
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257 and Kevin,
The NBA is even better and the prison outbreaks are high infection/low death. Young buck males are fairly bulletproof against the CIV.
urbanleftbehind (aec469) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:26 pmI think trying to equate Covid, in any way, with car wrecks or plane crashes ignores the one distinct feature of the disease: it’s highly contagious. Other tragedies that happen in life don’t typically come with such a transmissible risk that can impact a large number of people at any given time, depending on contact. Also, because it’s the first time that it’s circulating in humans, there is no immunity to it. That it makes it uniquely different than the rate of other awful things in life (car wrecks, plane crashes).
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:29 pmThe parishioners may get infected and some may die, but they were able to enjoy there freedom of religion as God intended.
I bet you blame churchgoers from someone shooting up the place too.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:30 pmEven though climate change is complete and utter bulls**t? They aren’t subject to anything, particularly when “peer review” means that it’s scientists critiquing other scientists.
“Climate science”, as practiced, is no more a science than sociology, for the same reasons — it is not testable in a controlled environment.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:33 pmThat it makes it uniquely different than the rate of other awful things in life (car wrecks, plane crashes).
But already, in 2 short months, Covid-19 has killed more Americans than car crashes have in any 3 YEARS combined of the last 10.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:37 pm50 From the Pro Publica article:
It started with the New York Post front page story Thursday, April 23, 2020.
https://nypost.com/cover/covers-for-thursday-april-23-2020
The order had been issued on March 25.
If the New York Post hadn’t made a headline out of it it would still be going on. Nursing homes had cut off visitors so there were few people in a position to know what was going on and to complain.
If Pulitzer Prizes were given on merit, the New York Post would deserve one for this.
Since then other papers have joined in to some degree. The New York Times (probably because the New York Post had scooped them on New York) did a front page story about veteran’s homes in New Jersey on Tuesday, May 12, 2020:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/nyregion/new-jersey-military-veterans-home.html
Government run facilities are worse even than the worst for profit institutions bought by private equity and loaded up with debt. Because the money constraints are maybe even worse – they can’t exceed their budget, period – and the people running them are not afraid of losing their jobs, (because of being sued, or losing their licenses to operate) and much less afraid of being prosecuted.
Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:42 pmThe cutting off of visitors was the real fatal error, more fundamental than sending discharged Covd-19 hospital patients to nursing homes.
Governor Cuomo did get some questions on this from other news outlets in the days after the New York Post front page story at his coronavirus briefings, and, as I said, gave legalistic answers.
The day before they broke the story on nursing homes, the New York Post had run another story about something else the New York Sate Department of Health ordered or recommended, which soon led to a reversal.
https://nypost.com/cover/covers-for-wednesday-april-22-2020 (NY State Department f ealth to EMS workers: Let them die.
The New York Post also had a story on Tuesday April 7, 2020 about how ventilators actually harmed many patients, but they put that on page 3, and didn’t make a headline out of it, so today ventilators are still largely considered good things to have, the more the better and the medical profession is only very very slowly turning against them, or the way they were used. But I guess that would only have reflected badly on the federal government, and however much Dr. Fauci was behind the advocacy of ventilators and didn’t caution about them like he did about any proposed new treatment, Donald Trump was still the boss.
For the nursing homes deaths, though, you can blame only Democrats and praise Florida’s Republican governor for doing the opposite. (I bet this happened in some other states with a Republican governors though)
Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:43 pmI just want to mention that, if you go to your local indie bookstore, and hit the ‘shop’ link at the site, it will take you to Bookshop, and a percentage of any item that you order will go to the bookstore. I’ve been doing this with our little local bookstore downtown, and it’s a nice way to help them out. It takes a few days longer than Amazon to receive the products, but I’m quarantined anyway, so what do I care.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:44 pm290. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:33 pm
I think economics is a better comparison, except there;s no organized effort to sa things are one way.
Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:45 pm294. What about bookfinder?
Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:46 pmI used Bookshop because that is what my little indie bookshop links to when I search for an item that they don’t have in stock. Does Bookfinder give the bookshops a percentage of the purchase?
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:52 pmInspector General’s Firing Puts Pompeo’s Use of Taxpayer Funds Under Scrutiny
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The inspector general, Steve A. Linick, who leads hundreds of employees in investigating fraud and waste at the State Department, had begun an inquiry into Mr. Pompeo’s possible misuse of a political appointee to perform personal tasks for him and his wife, according to Democratic aides. That included walking the dog, picking up dry-cleaning and making restaurant reservations, one said — an echo of the whistle-blower complaint from last year.
The details of Mr. Linick’s investigation are not clear, and it may be unrelated to the previous allegations. But Democrats and other critics of Mr. Pompeo say the cloud of accusations shows a pattern of abuse of taxpayer money — one that may mean lawmakers will be less willing to give the administration the benefit of the doubt as congressional Democrats begin an investigation into Mr. Linick’s dismissal.
The investigation is aimed at determining whether the act was one of illegal retaliation intended to shield Mr. Pompeo from accountability — which “would undermine the foundation of our democratic institutions,” Representative Eliot L. Engel of New York and Senator Bob Menendez of New Jersey, leading Democrats on foreign policy committees, said in a joint statement.
Ripmurdock (dbc0c2) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:52 pm………
I can;t even go to bookshop from this computer using a version of Google Chrome I wouldn’t change if I could because I’ve seen the updated version of Google Chrome.
Unsupported protocol. Same problem with hotair and legalinsurrection.
Not too many websites give me this problem.
Sammy Finkelman (ad84eb) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:56 pm@299 Huh. No issues on firefox.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 6:59 pmThat is an excellent point, Dana, but that is where mortality comes into play. Right now the stats say 1.5M have/have had Covid in the US and there have been 90,000 deaths, or 6%. If all/most Americans get Covid and 6% die, that is horrible. But what if more than 1.5M have or have had Covid, and the percentage is much less than 6%? I know “experts” who see both scenarios as possible, and we may not know for sure for years.
Isolating to protect the herd was a good decision but at some point we have to flip things and instead of everyone isolating to protect the herd, the individuals in the herd have to decide how much risk they want to take. I think that time has come in Texas.
If someone wants to stay home for 6 more months and can do it or needs to do it, then by all means do it. I know many Texans who feel that way, and many who don’t. To me, it is like the plane crash scenario. If you don’t want to risk getting on planes because they are randomly crashing, we all see the logic in that. But if the planes are still flying and you want to take the risk, you can. Ditto isolating vs going back to our old lives.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:08 pmIf I need jeans, I can go to Macy’s and if I can find them, there are 3 styles of Levis, two of which are in my size. If I go to the Levi’s outlet, I can find 10-20, all in my size.
You need to find a better Macy’s.
Seriously, around here Macy’s has the biggest selection of Levi’s, while the Levi’s store has only the core stuff, and higher prices, too.
At least that was what it was preCOVID19.
Kishnevi (3cd3a0) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:10 pm@302 There’s a big Macy’s I could go to, but if I’m going to the mall, it isn’t usually to that one.
Nic (896fdf) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:17 pmWhoever wins the state gets the Electors. You’re arguing technicalities in this modern era because the winner of the state got the electoral votes. WA State was a little different because Hillary got eight electoral votes, Colin Powell got three and Faith Spotted Eagle got one. If, in the extremely unlikely situation that Bill Gates won the popular vote, I suspect that most or all of those electoral votes would go to Bill Gates.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:26 pmHow?
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:40 pmKasich didn’t speak at the GOP convention, despite it being in his home state, where he was governor at the time. He never endorsed Trump. He literally voted for McCain. After the election, the most accommodating thing Kasich said was that The People should give Trump a chance. After the Mueller report came out, Kasich was not complimentary.During the Ukraine Unpleasantness, he supported impeachment. What am I missing, Kevin?
I don’t disagree, DRJ. I think we’re at that point as well. This resonated with me: “To be clear, I am not advocating an instant return to normalcy. But there is a sweet spot to be found somewhere between Draconian regulations and a lax, devil-may-care reopening.” Unfortunately, at least where I live, it’s the lax, devil-may-care attitude that prevails. I don’t think we’re at a point where that won’t have some serious consequences. I sure hope I’m wrong. I have family members who are of that group, and it’s a concern. But they are adults and they have made a decision to take more risk than I am willing to at this point in time.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:44 pmI agree with Paul. When all was said and done, Kasich was the most principled of the bunch, not only comparatively but in absolute terms too. But we didn’t want King Log, we wanted King Stork, and we got the Whooping Crane.
nk (1d9030) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:47 pmHere is the article to the quote above. It’s good.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:48 pmHollywood isn’t anywhere near that imaginative.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:51 pmFor Levi’s I just go to Penny’s, try on pair for size, and then buy them from Amazon for $20 less before I even get into my car. No wonder JCP is in bankruptcy.
Ripmurdock (dbc0c2) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:54 pmIt’s tempting to believe that if Kasich had gotten out of the race when it was clear he had no chance, like the Dems did this year, and endorsed Cruz, we might have dodged the bullet.
Of course we’ll never know, but it’s hard to see what purpose his refusal to bow out served.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 7:59 pmPenney’s is in bankruptcy because of the hole Ron Johnson put it in.
I just checked. Amazon has the same price as Penney’s for Levi’s. And as Macy’s. Levi Strauss controls sale prices, always has. That’s one reason you can’t use those store coupons on anything by Levi’s.(Or do you only go shopping at the start of the week, when they don’t always have sales?)
[I worked for Penney’s from 1990 to 2017. Now I have to wait and see what happens to the small pension I get from them.]
Kishnevi (3cd3a0) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:04 pmAlthough “The Jackass In A Lion’s Skin” might be the Aesop fable more on point.
nk (1d9030) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:06 pmI supported Cruz then and I won’t turn on him now, but he’s the one who should have bowed out. Kasich was the better man and I was too stupid to know it.
nk (1d9030) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:07 pmI’ll you my opinion. Dr. Wittkowski should have had his credibility blown to molecules when he said on April 3rd that we would not exceed 10,000 deaths in the following four weeks, and that we should adopt a herd immunity approach. The actual number of dead Americans from April 3rd through May 1st was 56,914, so he was wrongly off by a factor of 5.7. There’s enough out there to suggest that his approach is a crock.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:08 pmA Man For All Seasons is popular in these parts, and Ted Cruz would be the character Richard Rich:
Ted should have been a professor.
nk (1d9030) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:16 pmKasich deserves credit for not selling his soul to Trump, as Cruz did.
But Kasich really had nothing to lose – he was term-limited as governor and not facing another election.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:20 pmKohls, you’re on the clock.
urbanleftbehind (aec469) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:30 pmGhost Bait:
urbanleftbehind (aec469) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:37 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/massive-fire-condominium-complex-south-162000884.html
Sweden’s Covid-19 strategy has caused an ‘amplification of the epidemic’
While countries across the world have eased Covid-19 lockdowns over recent weeks, Sweden stands out: it never imposed confinement measures to begin with. As billions hunkered down throughout the globe in late March, Swedish bars, restaurants, hairdressers, gyms and even primary and middle schools stayed open.
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The Swedish approach has won praise from figures on the American right such as Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who have suggested that it provides a model for the US to follow.
In making the case for its unorthodox policy, Stockholm has pointed to high levels of trust in Swedish society, arguing that people could be expected to take precautions without being told to.
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Figures compiled by data analysis website Statista show that the total number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in Sweden has been increasing steadily since the beginning of April – and now stands at more than 29,000.
Statistics suggest that Sweden has performed poorly compared to its Scandinavian neighbours, which imposed strict lockdowns. Experts say the other Nordic countries are the most apt points of comparison, given their similar healthcare systems, socio-political cultures and levels of connectedness.
Reported coronavirus deaths per million in Sweden stand at 358, according to Statista – even higher than the hard-hit US, at 267. The Swedish figure is dramatically worse than those of Denmark (93), Finland (53) and Norway (44). In Sweden, “we’re seeing an amplification of the epidemic, because there’s simply more social contact”, said Lynn Goldman, dean of the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University in the US.
Ripmurdock (bbf61d) — 5/17/2020 @ 8:37 pm……
Dr. Scott Gottlieb has been one of the most knowledgeable and credible voices on the WuFlu and, in this WSJ piece, he points out the many unknowns that are still out there along with the many shortcomings in the CDC when it comes to disseminating information. The CDC and FDA report to HHS Secretary Azar, who reports directly to Trump. Mr. Azar is an unrepentant Trump suck-up, which explains why he still has a job.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/17/2020 @ 9:23 pmRedfield seems like a nice man, but he perpetually wears the expression of a deer in the headlights.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 9:49 pm272. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/17/2020 @ 5:26 pm
The New York Times Magazine has a story this week about the French doctor who promoted it.
He’s not a quack at all.
The story seems committed to the idea that it doesn’t work, but it doesn’t make the case for that at all. In fact, at one point he seems to endorse it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/magazine/didier-raoult-hydroxychloroquine.html
He is a self promoter, like Louis Pasteur.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:19 pmRaoult has been caught publishing bogus (made-up) data more than once.
Dave (1bb933) — 5/17/2020 @ 10:42 pmWho benefits from the country burning as the economy implodes? We are not victims of a virus, Aph. We are victims of conscious, purposeful decisions made by politicians.—Gryph (emphasis me).
Now we’ve closed the loopy. Gryph believes that the entire world-wide medical and public health professions are part of an immense conspiracy to make us believe there are deaths and disability connected with a run-of-the-mill virus. We are all victims of a purposeful plan!
And poor Gryph is the watchman on the rampart, being FURTHER victimized by “slander and libel”.
Except, of course, he’s not. He has defamed others who disagreed with him. But nobody has said anything untrue about him. He does lie. He is a fringe nutter. And apparently he has some bad wiring.
Now we know.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/18/2020 @ 5:49 am325. I’ve defamed others who disagreed with me, huh? It is my considered opinion that people who wear masks are cowards. Now the burden is on you to prove to me that I am lying in order to damage someone’s reputation. Your insistence on calling me a “liar” is indeed defamatory, as I am not lying. Before you accuse me of defamation, you’d better get a handle on just what constitutes such a thing.
288. This is the closest I’ve ever seen anyone come to admitting that we are basing our policy on fear. And this, Dana, is why I believe we are largely a nation of cowards undeserving of the freedoms our forefathers fought for. Anyone who believes this assertion to be “defamatory” is welcome to tell me why they believe I am wrong.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/18/2020 @ 6:05 amGryph, Stop being such a Karen about masks. Infectious diseases are different from auto accidents because the rate at which they spread compounds, that’s not true for car accidents or heart disease.
It’s no more cowardly to say “Masks reduce the spread of disease, we should use them when appropriate.” than it is to use any other appropriate risk mitigation strategy such banning outdoor burning on a windy day during a dry spell.
Not sure how you can look at global health issue and conclude that it’s some sort of party politics hoax.
Time123 (ca85c9) — 5/18/2020 @ 6:22 amI’ve defamed others who disagreed with me, huh?
Yep. Repeatedly and often.
Your insistence on calling me a “liar” is indeed defamatory, as I am not lying. Before you accuse me of defamation, you’d better get a handle on just what constitutes such a thing.
No, Moana, it isn’t defamatory when you are a liar. And we’ve demonstrated here (again) that you ARE. I’ve tried defamation cases to a verdict (winning), so handle gotten, thanks.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/18/2020 @ 6:27 amI think Trump and (to please him) his Administration will do everything possible to expedite the approval of Covid vaccines, so we may have a vaccine by November and Trump will promote it as “perfect.”
If so, my prediction is the short timeframe means it may work or it may not, and there will be unexpected side effects.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/18/2020 @ 7:03 amIn addition, this may also reignite the vaxxer/anti-vaxxer debate, which would be unfortunate.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/18/2020 @ 7:16 amAt The New Yorker, Jina Moore observes how CV19 has hardly touched the African continent, especially south of the Sahel. Maybe Vitamin D has something to do with it, and perhaps some luck came into play, but it helps that those nations took the virus seriously and took steps to mitigate. CV19 wasn’t their first pandemic rodeo.
In terms of cases per million, Djibouti is the most afflicted nation in Africa but ranks 52nd worldwide.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/18/2020 @ 7:37 amPaul, How wide spread is the testing in Africa? When I hear stories like that, and from India, I assume part of it is lack of testing. When I hear that Russia, Turkey, Iran, and China have low case counts I assume part of it is propaganda from their leadership.
Time123 (ca85c9) — 5/18/2020 @ 7:53 amDRJ, I hope they don’t cut corners. Vaccines are safe in a large part because they’re tested so thoroughly. Rushing a drug you want everyone to take to market carries a lot of risks. If we’re planning to expedite things it seems like we should start having conversations about how and why and what the risks are sooner rather then later. That would take leadership from the federal government that so far they’ve had a hard time providing.
Time123 (ca85c9) — 5/18/2020 @ 7:56 am. This is the closest I’ve ever seen anyone come to admitting that we are basing our policy on fear. And this, Dana, is why I believe we are largely a nation of cowards undeserving of the freedoms our forefathers fought for. Anyone who believes this assertion to be “defamatory” is welcome to tell me why they believe I am wrong.
So a woman who avoids being alone in badly lit urban areas after dark is a coward. At least that is the implication of what you said.
And wearing a mask is not cowardly. My mask does little or nothing to protect me. It does a great deal to protect others.
Kishnevi (779a41) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:04 amDRJ @ 329,
We’re on the same page:
Dana (0feb77) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:19 amThis would have been a big story pre-Covid:
The FBI broke the encryption on his iPhone, also a big story.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:20 amWe have been on the same page a lot, Dana.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:21 amIt looks like the anti-vaxxers have already injected themselves into protest groups:
Dana (0feb77) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:25 amChristopher Wray says that the new evidence shows that the shooting at Pensacola air base was “the brutal culmination of years of planning and preparation”.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:28 amunsurprising, we seem to have learned nothing from ft hood 11 years ago, in fact the webster report took pains not to draw any conclusion, it seems we were paying as much attention as with Orlando, Columbus, los vegas parkland et al, what did we have a laser focus on instead
narciso (7404b5) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:43 amsimilarly ferguson’s flawed models, which he couldn’t even abide by, (why isn’t he in jail_ did nothing to prevent the largest cohort of dead, in living facilities, meanwhile the bogus social distancing effectively flatlined the us economy,
This sounds hopeful:
The market reacts positively.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:50 amDana…LOL! Anti-vaxxers injecting themselves…
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:51 amSlipped that right in there…
Dana (0feb77) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:52 amKascih was a lying jackass who pretended to be a conservative and a Loyal Republican, and proved to be neither. He didn’t have the decency to fulfill his promise to support the R nominee in 2016. He won Ohio, but otherwise got almost no votes. Talking about a liar and honor in the same comment is laughable.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 5/18/2020 @ 8:57 amfrom my ahia contacts, dewine is from the same basket of whizzo chocolates, so any scrutiny about samples and control groups re this vaccine, like the practical utter dismissal of hcq zpak zinc cocktail,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/18/2020 @ 9:01 amThe company name sounded a bit familiar
Kishnevi (f73d18) — 5/18/2020 @ 9:04 amhttps://www.businessinsider.com/moncef-slaoui-leading-trump-vaccine-push-10m-holding-moderna-conflict-2020-5
That’s a fair question, Time. You can see from my link that testing per million is comparatively low (the most prolific tester is South Africa, at 95th), but what’s also low is deaths per million. The first African country in that category is Algeria, at 75th. Yes, there may be reporting issues in several countries, but across a couple dozen nations? To me, no. The virus really hasn’t been a factor on that continent.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/18/2020 @ 9:06 amand bill bright is pushing for his gates foundation grant secured vaccine, from his former employer novamex, but different strokes,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/18/2020 @ 9:16 amAll three candidates–Trump, Cruz and Kasich–backed away from that pledge, ocean, so that puts Trump and Cruz in the “lying jackass” column, too, right?
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/18/2020 @ 9:17 amThe truth is that none of them are liars for backing away from that pledge. It means that they broke a pledge. However, Trump and Cruz are prolific liars about all kinds of other things, and Kasich is not, which is another truth.
...a lying jackass who pretendede to be a conservative and a Loyal Republican, and proved to be neither.
But enough about mr. president trump.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/18/2020 @ 9:36 amhttps://www.redstate.com/nick-searcy/2020/05/15/837613/
Even Nick Searcy is tired of these shenanigans.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/18/2020 @ 10:24 amSorry rcocean:
Barr says he doesn’t envision investigations of Biden, Obama
Attorney General William Barr said Monday that he did not expect investigations into the origins of the FBI’s Russia investigation to lead to criminal probes into either President Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, or former President Barack Obama.
Trump has stated without evidence that he believes Obama had committed unspecified crimes, and some of Trump’s supporters have encouraged criminal inquiries into Obama and Biden for what they say are unspecified abuses during the investigation into ties between Russia and Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.
Ripmurdock (bbf61d) — 5/18/2020 @ 10:27 am……
I’m looking for where he falsified data but can’t find it. Perhaps the problem is searching for the word “bogus”
https://edzardernst.com/2020/04/didier-raoult-and-the-hydroxychloroquine-controversy-part-1
He said things that weren’t true (no bad cardiac effects from chloroquine) but I can’t find what’s supposed to be the bogus data. The New York Times Magazine article says he puts his name on every paper that comes out of his institute.
I found this web site too:
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/04/14/didier-raoult-bad-science-bully
By the way, I knew it came from China.
Dr. Oz was WOR this morning. He still is for hydroxychloroquine which he says could be used till a vaccine {?!]
That means he pays no attention to the cocktail ([ixture] of [manufactured] antibodies. Mentioned on WCBS-TV Channel 2 last night in a report by Dr. Max Gomez.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/18/2020 @ 10:29 amEven Nick Searcy is tired of these shenanigans.
He will have an eternity in which to rest.
nk (1d9030) — 5/18/2020 @ 10:31 amNo surprise that Trump’s firing of IG Linick is more corrupt than originally perceived.
And this after we just learned that the FBI confirmed that the Saudi pilot who shot up a classroom on a Pensacola air base had “significant ties” to al Qaeda.
Paul Montagu (b3f51b) — 5/18/2020 @ 10:40 amSo, regarding the Moderna vaccine trials, per Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna’s chief medical officer, if everything goes well (which it is, thus far), the company’s vaccine could be available to the public as early as January, 2021. Given that Trump really needs to have a vaccine ramped up before the election in November (in order to be, not just a “wartime president,” but a “victorious wartime president”), what does he do? Does he lie and say it’s ready before the election or heavily pressure Moderna to push it to the public sooner than what is safe? I can’t see him patiently waiting on the experts, and reassuring the public that this is the most prudent path to take because this is Trump we’re talking about, and he doesn’t do patience and prudence – especially not with an election in the near future.
Dana (0feb77) — 5/18/2020 @ 10:56 amJust a reminder to all interested, the documentary on Clarence Thomas is on PBS tonight at 9pm EST. Check your listings for elsewhere.
NJRob (4d595c) — 5/18/2020 @ 11:02 amand menendez is trying to disqualify the film maker, because one cannot speak well of someone who has been defamed by degenerate liars like hill, mayer and abrams for nearly 30 years now,
narciso (7404b5) — 5/18/2020 @ 11:15 amCompare the current progressive view about civil liberties against the old liberal positions of the past.
Surveillance and spying on U.S. citizens? Remember liberal Senator Frank Church of Idaho and his 1975 post-Watergate select Senate investigative committee? It found the CIA, FBI, and NSA improperly over three decades had tapped into the phones of Americans, opened their mail, and worked with telecommunications companies to monitor the data of supposedly suspect politicians, actors, celebrities, and political activists. “Collusion” with the communists and the Russians was often the pretense to surveil American citizens.
Consider Church either a bastion of civil liberties protection or a dangerous firebrand who weakened the CIA and FBI. But the point is that the Left’s position had once mostly been that the government’s unelected deep-state intelligence officers simply had too much power to trust.
Indeed, the ACLU was outraged at what the committee revealed. Church was deified as a liberal hero uncovering government abuse. About the worst thing a government could do, liberals reminded us, was to spy on its own citizens.
Then we were also warned that the scandal was the result of the government, for over 30 years, targeting mostly liberals on grounds of trumped-up suspicions that they were sympathetic to Communism in general and the Soviet Union in particular. Yet in addition, the Left argued that the state had no business spying on any American at all, unless it had a certified warrant and ample criminal cause—or we found ourselves in a war with enemies at home among us.
And now?
Russia is no longer a global Communist superpower rival. Yet the Obama Administration’s CIA, NSA, and FBI were every bit as obsessed with Vladimir Putin as had the old Right worried about Leonid Brezhnev—as if a contemporary kleptocratic thug lording over a failed and shrinking state posed the same existential dangers as a Communist dictator reigning over a huge postwar empire dedicated to destroying the free world.
Actually, at the behest of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the U.S. earlier had reached out to Putin in a naïve, flawed “reset” appeasement that failed. So, the Obama Administration’s about-face obsession with Putin the monster always was largely a convenient gambit of wanting to destroy the Trump campaign, transition, and presidency.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/17/the-left-is-what-it-once-loathed/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/18/2020 @ 11:38 amHow many nu’cler warheads does Putin command again, Hack-ew?
So, the Obama Administration’s about-face obsession with Putin the monster always was largely a convenient gambit of wanting to destroy the Trump campaign, transition, and presidency.
Wow. That’s nutz. But typical Hack-ew fodder.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 5/18/2020 @ 11:51 amBarr indicates that we should not expect prosecutions of Obama and Biden. Maybe because they can’t find anything to charge them with.
But that story reminded me of the Rex Tillerson revelation that Trump is “pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read” and repeatedly attempted to do illegal things. “So often, the president would say here’s what I want to do and here’s how I want to do it and I would have to say to him: ‘Mr President, I understand what you want to do but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law,’” Tillerson said.
Must be hard for Barr not to notice.
noel (4d3313) — 5/18/2020 @ 12:17 pmMaybe because they can’t find anything to charge them with.
A Logan Act predicated perjury trap should be in any prosecutor’s tool belt.
beer ‘n pretzels (e7227f) — 5/18/2020 @ 12:43 pmIn Pa. visit, Trump ties coronavirus fight to U.S. factory recovery dreams
With his trip Thursday to a warehouse outside Allentown, President Donald Trump chose to visit a firm positioned to profit from a pandemic. It is one of the few remaining U.S. makers of surgical gowns and other personal protective equipment, or PPE, the now-familiar acronym.
PPE makers like Owens & Minor Inc., the president suggested, could be a model for reviving U.S. manufacturing.
Through tariffs and government contracts, Trump says, he wants to revive manufacturing and warehousing across the nation. Only about a tenth of U.S. workers now labor in factories, a modern low.
The Justice Department this month said it would not use antitrust laws to stop Owens & Minor from joining McKesson Corp., Cardinal Health Inc.. and other large U.S. PPE suppliers in coordinating efforts to ship more PPE to hospitals and nursing homes.
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But if Owens & Minor is a model for the future, it’s also an example of the challenges ahead.
For one thing, a majority of its workforce toils outside of the U.S. in plants in such places as Mexico, Honduras, and Thailand.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 5/18/2020 @ 12:56 pm…..
In his remarks in the Upper Macungie Township warehouse of Owens & Minor — a speech that took only brief shots at frequent targets such as reporters and Democratic rival Joe Biden — Trump said he wants to bring factories back to the U.S., with government contracts, government loans, government limits on what U.S. buyers can purchase abroad in key industries, and other policies.
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? Does he lie and say it’s ready before the election or heavily pressure Moderna to push it to the public sooner than what is safe?
Dana, notice what I posted at comment 346.
Kishnevi (dc4324) — 5/18/2020 @ 1:08 pm356. Dana (0feb77) — 5/18/2020 @ 10:56 am
He probably really wants it before the election in November, but its to early to g for more.
Trump announces in October that it will be ready in December, and that certain specially qualified people will be given it now,
But this is not the important thing to Trump. He goes by the idea that whether a president is re-elected on not depends on the economy. So he wants to get the economy back to where it was before, up, or if he can;t get that, definitely going back there.
He definitely does not want Joe Biden to be FDR to his Herbert Hoover.
So Trump wants to end all these lockdowns. Especially he wants the schools open, because if schools are closed he reasons or has had aid to him, there will be parents unable or unwilling to go to work.
He also wants no more than a tolerable number of new infections. If Biden then opposes complete re-opening he’ll make that a campaign issue and have the election run on that platform.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/18/2020 @ 1:14 pmUS lockdown protests may have spread virus widely, cellphone data suggests
Glad they are spreading the word …..
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 5/18/2020 @ 1:24 pmI’d hate to be the guy who has to commute from New Mexico to his job in Michigan.
Kishnevi (dc4324) — 5/18/2020 @ 1:29 pmIf Trump really knew what was going on, he;d be pushing for the artificial antibody cure. That cod be ready by September even.
This is the cure:
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/4552579-potential-coronavirus-treatment-using-antibodies-in-the-works
Text; https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/05/15/coronavirus-breakthrough-possible-antibody-cocktail-may-lead-to-covid-19-cure-doctor-says
But Dr. Fauci has said the only thing you can hope for is a vaccine.
Note; It wouldn’t attack the virus at any special weak spots. Better would be to say alternative spots.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/18/2020 @ 1:33 pmBarr may not notice the Administration’s unethical and illegal behavior but the IGs would. Scratch that.
noel (4d3313) — 5/18/2020 @ 1:49 pmBreaking (approximately one to two hours ago):
Donald Trump said in a speech that he is taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent coming down with Covid-19. He said he had been taking it for several weeks after reading letters from first responders (which includes nurses and doctors( saying they were taking it.
The White House doctor didn’t recommend it, but didn’t say he shouldn’t take it, and wrote out a prescription.
It’s not only since several people in the White House tested positive.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/18/2020 @ 4:33 pm360… yeah, Victor Davis Hanson is a known prankster…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/18/2020 @ 4:57 pmI don’t think he’s taking it for the coronavirus, Sammy.
nk (1d9030) — 5/18/2020 @ 5:16 pmA Stunned Neil Cavuto Warns About Hydroxychloroquine After Trump Says He’s Taking the Drug: ‘What Have You Got to Lose? … Your Life’
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Fox News’ Neil Cavuto was so shocked by President Donald Trump announcing he’s taking hydroxychloroquine that he took a few minutes to explicitly warn viewers about the risks of taking it.
At one point the president asked “what have you got to lose,” but as Cavuto said, “A number of studies, those certainly vulnerable in the population have one thing to lose, their lives. A VA study showed that among a population of veterans in a hospital receiving this treatment, those with vulnerable conditions, respiratory conditions, heart elements, they died.”
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[Dr. Bob] Lahita [chairman of medicine at St. Joseph University Hospital] continued warning viewers about the serious risks, and at one point Cavuto just straight-up asked him, “The president says, ‘What have you got to lose? It sounds like what you’re saying, you have a risk of losing your life if you do about the president just recommended.”
“That’s correct,’ Lahita said. “Everything has a trade-off. And these drugs can be very dangerous. And if they don’t have any effect, there’s no reason to take them.”
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 5/18/2020 @ 5:49 pm……
He thought the coronavirus was ‘a fake crisis.’ Then he contracted it and changed his mind.
A Florida man who thought the coronavirus was “a fake crisis” has changed his mind after he and his wife contracted COVID-19.
Brian Hitchens, a rideshare driver who lives in Jupiter, downplayed the seriousness of the coronavirus in Facebook posts in March and April.
“I’m honoring what our government says to do during this epidemic but I do not fear this virus because I know that my God is bigger than this Virus will ever be,” he wrote in a post on April 2. “Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.”
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In a lengthy post on May 12, Hitchens said that he was once among those who thought the coronavirus “is a fake crisis” that was “blown out of proportion” and “wasn’t that serious.”
That changed when he started to feel sick in April and stopped working, he wrote.
Hitchens said he “had just enough energy” to drive himself and his wife to Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center on April 19, where they both tested positive for the virus.
“They admitted us right away and we both went to ICU,” he wrote. “I started feeling better within a few days but my wife got worse to the point where they sedated her and put her on the ventilator.”
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 5/18/2020 @ 5:57 pm……
Tara Reade lawyer sends ‘cease and desist’ letter to critic
Tara Reade’s attorneys have sent a “cease and desist” letter to one of her most outspoken critics, the owner of a not for profit who has publicly accused Reade of being “manipulative” and “a liar.”
Lynn Hummer, the owner of Pregnant Mare Rescue in Santa Cruz County, Calif. where Reade volunteered from 2014-2016, received a letter from Reade’s lawyers dated May 17, calling on her to stop making comments “to the media and online” about Reade, which they call false and defamatory. A copy of the letter was provided to POLITICO.
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Hummer has portrayed Reade as dishonest in media interviews, including with POLITICO, and on social media, accusing her of taking advantage of the not for profit. Hummer has said that Reade charged Pregnant Mare Rescue for a costly veterinarian bill that serviced Reade’s personal horse.
“These harassing, intimidating and false statements are unlawful and are clearly intended to tarnish and impugn Ms. Reade’s character and reputation,” the letter, signed by attorney Douglas Wigdor, states. “Let this letter serve as a final demand for you to cease and desist from engaging in this or similar conduct immediately.”
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The dispute spilled into the open on social media last month, with Reade directly threatening Hummer with legal action.
“A lawyer will be in contact with you for defaming me,” Reade said over Twitter. “You may not continue to spread false information regarding my life.”
After receiving the letter Sunday, Hummer hired an attorney who now accuses Reade’s lawyers of trying to silence his client.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 5/18/2020 @ 6:02 pm……
270. 272. We only know that he takes it because he said so, and if he was taking something because of memory problems he would be taking something else, maybe Prevagin because he sees it on TV. And it is not like so many people noticed improvement that he needed to explain it.
Neither is there a reason to suppose he had arthritis or anything hydroxychloroquine was previously usually prescribed for.
Trump said this in a Question and Answer period after his speech to the restaurant executives. It wasn’t even planned, although he may possibly have been thinking of mentioning this at some point. How long was he taking it was a follow-up question about Richard Bright, who had claimed that the reason he was transferred and demoted – don’t know if his pay was also cut, but he’s got a lawyer and is suing – was because of his supposed strong opposition to hydroxychloroquine, rather than any other issues. From the sound byte I heard, I think he couldn’t remember, so he said a couple of weeks ago, but the New York Times says, without putting anything in quotes that he said he started taking it about ten days ago. The New York Times story is full of quotes from people about how dangerous it is and.useless and how irresponsible it is for him to say it and how it sets a bad example.
The Daily News (anti-Trump) says “nearly two weeks” and also says that Trump said for about a week and a half.
As for letters, it says the white House said it got a letter from adoctor in Westchester County whom it would not name. (coulld that be Dr, Zelenko, recommended by Giuliani who actually practices in Rockland County?)
His White House doctor, Sea Conley, without saying anything about when, said that after numerous discussions about the potential benefit of hydroxychloroquine they concluded that the potential benefit outweighed the relevant risks.
Now I think that the effect is weak, and to the extent it is useful, before exposure would logically be the best time, but he is probably not exposed. As for the dangers, this has been around for 40 years and it is not even listed as a side effect. And there is an obvious slander campaign against hydroxychloroquine. The FDA and other warnings are very carefully worded and mix it up with other drugs with which are taken instead or in combination.
The bigger headline is about a successful vaccine trial, which should not be news and to extent is news should not matter because numerous possible vaccines are being developed and there is no reason to suppose they do not do anything at all, and how the stock market rallied because of it, and nobody at all is talking about monoclonal antibodies.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/19/2020 @ 3:25 am* That should be 370 and 372 not 270 and 272.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/19/2020 @ 3:29 amhttps://features.propublica.org/diabetes-amputations/black-american-amputation-epidemic
Amputations are a sign of less care or medical failure.
They did this (many amputations) also at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/19/2020 @ 1:18 pmPay more on the backend: That is, Medicaid and Medicare is going to pay far more their care than if the amputation had been avoided and some people, who ad been working will go on Medicaid, They’re not even saving money. Not the government, anyway.
Sammy Finkelman (07f19d) — 5/19/2020 @ 1:22 pmThanks, Dustin. 🙂 I can’t find it either and the prospect of going back through all of patterico’s threads for months terrifies me. 🙂
Best of luck on the bar exam!
aphrael (7962af) — 5/20/2020 @ 5:59 pmIs it feasible for check record of land simply by providing the name
Bhumi Jankari (bf5076) — 6/6/2020 @ 2:12 pm