Keeping Abreast Of Feminine Outrage And Scientific Achievement
[guest post by Dana]
This week Matt Taylor, a scientist with the Rosetta mission team, gave an update about the team’s amazing accomplishment:
The landing, first envisaged more than 20 years ago, marks the crowning moment of Rosetta’s decadelong cruise through the solar system to get up close and personal with a comet. During its 4 billion mile journey on a track to meet the comet, Rosetta bounced around the inner solar system like a cosmic billiard ball, circling the sun almost four times. … Philae appears to have settled on its three legs in the center of the target zone, a relatively flat elliptical landing area about 550 yards in diameter, away from deep crevices, large boulders and sharp peaks.
Unfortunately, as historically significant as this event was, Taylor found himself in the center of a massive feminine shit shirtstorm because of his sartorial selection:
Predictably, the mad tweets of outrage began and ironically, in doing so, the aggrieved women reinforced stereotypical feminine behavior by choosing to focus on fashion rather than science. Way to represent!
No no women are toooootally welcome in our community, just ask the dude in this shirt.
#ThatShirt is a problem, because it shows that Taylor thinks women are a punchline. It shows @esa doesn’t notice casual misogyny.
#ThatShirt is a problem because of what it says about society. “How do I look cool and fun? Oh, I’ll degrade women. That’ll do it.”
So, on what should have been one of the best days of his life, Taylor found his accomplishments being overshadowed by hysteria (originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus) and bowing to pressure, offered a teary-eyed apology:
I think most reasonable people would consider the shirt tacky as opposed to offensive. Frankly, having grown up with a scientist, I seriously question whether they even notice the sartorial choices of their colleagues. From an interview with Taylor:
Sandeep Mukare: It’s generally agreed that a tattooed man can’t achieve great thing but you are an exception & My Q is how did u do it?
Matt Taylor: The people i work with dont judge me by my looks but the work that i have done and can do. Simple.
Being judged by one’s accomplishments? Crazy talk.
On a personal level, what sort of person is Taylor? A conniving woman hater with bad fashion sense? Two women, Taylor’s sister and wife said this about him:
“He gets so involved in everything that sometimes common sense goes out the window – like losing the car in the car park, silly things.
“If you go out with him you end up going round and round looking for a car parking space…he doesn’t want to make decisions.”
His wife, whom he met in sixth-form and described as the most “beautiful and intelligent woman on the planet”, added: “He is terrible at following directions, and has lost cars in multistorey carparks many a time.”
MISOGYNIST!
And about that tacky shirt, just where did it come from? Well, it appears that a friend made it for him. A female friend. Elly Prizeman responds to the outrage:
I felt I needed to write some words for all the questions, comments and feedback being received about the shirt I made for him that has caused such a stir.
I would like to thank each and every person who has supported Matt in his amazing achievement and who has asked after and complimented my hobby as well as my Husband’s artwork on Dr. Taylor.
…
Dr. Matt Taylor is an amazing, kind, loving and sensitive person. I never expected him to wear my gift to him for such a big event and was surprised and deeply moved that he did. I made that shirt for his birthday last month as I make clothes just as a hobby and he asked if I would make him one. He is a close and very loved friend so made sure I did this for his birthday present.
I am so proud of Matt and his achievements and the fact he is an interesting and very brave person to do what he did with the very sweet gesture he made towards my gift and to wear his individuality with pride. It has certainly made history more exciting and bold.
I wonder if Ms. Prizeman has any leftover fabric for Keira Knightly’s breasts or Kim Kardashian’s entire body (NSFW)…
–Dana
Added: If you read Elly Prizeman’s blog linked in this post, she is inundated with people requesting the shirt. However, as a seamstress-by-night, she is unable to meet the demand. Isn’t it funny – the hysterical and outraged fems can thank a man for the birth of a woman’s cottage industry!
Further, as Prizeman cites the price of the fabric as being cost prohibitive, and if the hysterical and outraged really want to further the success of another woman, shouldn’t they start a crowd funding website to help her? #WomenSewInItForSeamstress!
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:18 amThis shirt (sold out) and similar shirts came from here:
https://www.alohaland.com/pinup-girls-guys
Kevin M (d91a9f) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:27 amKeeping abreast? A breast? Keeping one? Unintentional? I think not. Woman hater. Apologize immediately or I will tweet hysterically.
Fred Z (9c9edd) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:28 amHello Dana! Of course a man cannot comment on the attire of a woman because that is sexist and misogynist so I will not even bother to point out the double standards employed by these small minded loons.
I hope you caught the kerfuffle over Time magazines annual word banning column this past week. Apparently this is a bit they started up four or five years ago(?) in which they publish a list of words they propose banning from their lexicon and have readers vote on which ones to ban. “Feminist” was one and it was leading with 47% of the vote when I added mine to the total. You could see the heads exploding across the intertubes and twitchy had a couple of pieces about it.
I wonder what feminists would think about the strangely soothing video with classical music that has garnered so many hits world-wide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDXUDehUgIQ
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:35 amVery apropos of your title.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:36 amYou know, I had an interesting conversation with an African American student at my institution recently. I didn’t push her to come up with that conversation; I mostly listened.
Here are some snippets, from this student (who is from a one parent home—her low income mother fought like heck to send her to a private school, and it shows).
1. “This place is very political. I guess people have a lot of free time. Me, I want to get good grades so I have a shot at becoming a forensic anthropologist; that’s how I spend my time.”
2. “I’m real tired of representing all people with African ancestry in my classes. I didn’t ask for that job, and it’s really really condescending. People are different from one another. Black folk, too.”
3. “What I don’t get is how one group has more to complain about than another. Why don’t we just work hard to be polite and treat people as individuals?”
4. “There aren’t many people of color here. I feel like a zoo animal. Some people treat me like a cutesy zoo animal instead of a woman old enough to vote.”
So it’s sad she wants to transfer, but there is hope.
This “ShirtStorm” issue is much more about Complainocracy than anything else. Plus, I believe, setting up Teh Narrative for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Should the guy have worn some “television clothes”? Maybe. I’m old fashioned. But he clearly likes be a rebel. And I adore what the woman who made the shirt said.
Simon Jester (59e6e4) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:36 amDaley, can you imagine what Benny Hill would have done with that video?
Simon Jester (59e6e4) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:38 amI think Richard Feynman would have happily worn that shirt!
bobathome (5d64cd) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:46 amWhen I am king of the world I will pass a law, again, that makes it a crime for a woman to nag a man she has not given birth to or given birth because of.
“Again”, because it actually was a crime in the common law — Common Scold — and the punishment was the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scold%27s_bridle.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:47 amSimon – He would have turned it into something ugly rather than the tasteful, calming piece it is now.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:49 amBut I disagree that the feminazi ruined anything for the rocket nerd. She was only as important to him as he allowed her to be. A true Frenchman would have offered to show her his guided missile and explain the theory of thrust.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:57 amGlenn Reynolds jumps into the fray via USA Today – 1 small shirt for a man, 1 giant leap backward for women:
And suddenly, the triumph of the comet landing was drowned out by shouts of feminist outrage about . . . what people were wearing. It was one small shirt for a man, one giant leap backward for womankind.
RTWT
http://www.usatoday.com/opinion/
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:03 am“I think Richard Feynman would have happily worn that shirt!”
Feynmann has drawn lots of criticism lately, now that he’s dead, about his “sexism.”
Look at the added commentary. We believe the lack of clarity made the post insensitive to valid concerns that many readers have about past and existing biases and prejudices in our society.
Does anyone wonder why I stopped reading SA decades ago ?
Women are about clothes first and second. Maybe math gets in there about 10th. God, I’m tired of it !
Look at the guy’s tattoos and understand that he is not about sartorial elegance.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:04 amI agree, nk. I would like to have to seen Matt Taylor simply ignore the complaints and not give in to their hysteria. Rather it would have been more productive to keep the focus on the science at hand. Personally, I like men who are resolute in in their commitments and refuse to wither under the twitters. Also, in reading about Taylor and of course, just speculating, I wonder if he is a bit autistic and maybe lacking in some social cues? If so, it makes the bullying he received all the more awful.
Dana (8e74ce) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:05 am“Absent-minded professor” stereotype. Einstein did not style his hair that way. He just didn’t bother to cut it or comb it.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:08 am11. In spades. A good shirt to use painting the house tho.
Also, I happen to like Keira’s set.
DNF (7e0641) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:08 am13. “Does anyone wonder why I stopped reading SA decades ago ?”
Dropped SA as my mag in the mid-eighties after starting up with theEconomist. Dropped that too for the same reason.
DNF (7e0641) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:11 amKevin M @ 2,
If you read Elly Prizeman’s blog linked in this post, she is inundated with people requesting the shirt – both men and women – however, as a seamstress-by-night, she is unable to meet the demand. Isn’t it funny – the hysterical and outraged fems can thank a man for being the catalyst that birthed a woman’s cottage industry!
Dana (8e74ce) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:12 amAlso, Prizeman cites the price of the fabric as being cost prohibitive. If the hysterical and outraged really wanted to further the success of another woman, shouldn’t they start a crowd funding website to help her with this cause? #WomenSewInItForSeamstress!
Dana (8e74ce) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:16 amWhat we really need to promote women in STEM after incidents like this is a big #SLUTWALKFORSPACE!!!!
#TAKEBACKTHESCIENCE!!!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:29 am#NOMORERAPESCIENCE!!!!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:31 amIf the images on Taylor’s skin are consistent with the images on his shirt, then what his job is or how well he does it will cease to be the prime factors which determine his future employment on lack thereof.
ropelight (786712) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:39 am#ThatShirt is a problem, because it shows that Taylor thinks women are a punchline. It shows @esa doesn’t notice casual misogyny.
I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if the person (ie, the woman) who made that comment has given a million benefits of the doubt to Bill Clinton (or certainly his left-leaning clones, including the late Ted Kennedy) and his favorite doormat and enabler, Hillary.
Mark (c160ec) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:43 amTaylor has been feminized.
mg (31009b) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:49 amSad and pathetic
One can find those shirts at the local thrift shop.
mg (31009b) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:51 amSome Hawaiian shirts are works of art by old Hawaiian artist’s.
Not his.
Eh. I thought it wasn’t a work shirt and it was tone-deaf generally. Not a hanging offense, but, dude, think a little. There’s something in between “Male badness prevents females from doing anything and is offensive and they should all die,” and “Chicks who don’t like porn should put in earphones while I’m playing it at work.”
I get the pushback against the crazy internet feminist wing. But just because they go over the top doesn’t mean there’s not a thing there you shouldn’t do.
(I worked part-time for an internet outfit whose clothing ethos was indistinguishable from a homeless shelter. Still would not wear that shirt to work.)
JRM (de6363) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:03 pmthe feminists need to get down on their knees and apologize i think
and then everyone should say NO stupid we do not accept your apology
and just give them the back of their hand
and then play video games but without letting the stupid feminists have a turn
happyfeet (831175) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:04 pmLook, some people can lead a team that works for a decade to put a few hundred pounds of specialized scientific equipment into the path of a comet 300 million miles away, and land said equipment safely on said comet.
And some people can whine in Twitter.
The people in the first category are ravishingly few, and the people in the second category are why they are vanishing.
Pious Agnostic (69ea46) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:08 pmRavishingly? Eh, I meant “vanishingly.” WTH?
Pious Agnostic (69ea46) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:10 pmRavishingly works.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:15 pmDana, Patterico, here is a take on this silly story:
http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/11/15/no-space-for-sewing-circles/
It made me feel better.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:27 pmI would not be allowed to write that headline.
Patterico (9c670f) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:42 pmPious Agnostic #29 … your Freudian slip is showing, again, dear !
ROTFLMFO !
Perhaps you meant to type “The people in the first category are ravishingly rare, and the people in the second category are rarely ravishing.” ?
Alastor (2e7f9f) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:43 pmhttp://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1304630.The_Aloha_Shirt
mg (31009b) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:50 pmCasual Hawaiian
Feeling Good
Simon Jester,
Thanks for the link. I’ve been thinking about a piece on Keira Knightly’s breast kerfuffle that speaks to the same theme: women are trying to remake men in their own image, to the poit where a man looking at a woman’s breast (being they’re more interesting than the woman herself) can only look *if* he responds to them the way women want him to: with admiration, but do not seualize them. Because that is the nuttery that is overtaking culture. Not only think like women, act like women, but divorce oneself from their hard-wiring and react like women, too.
Dana (8e74ce) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:50 pmThe conversation I had with the student really made me think, Patterico and Dana. I am smart enough to know that I shouldn’t say much in response. But the words is all over campus that I am a libertarian-leaning Republican type (though probably too “squishy” for many folks here). I never, ever talk about politics. I talk about freedoms, freedom of choice, and the sanctity of the individual. Several students have pointed out that they know what I believe not because of my bookshelf (which I no longer hide, having earned tenure), but because of what I don’t say.
I’m all for fairness. And most people are, in their heart of hearts. Fairness not in the sense of “Social Justice Warriors,” but in terms of “If it is bad to wear an aloha shirt with lingerie-clad pinups, it is also bad to have a ‘slutwalk.'”
I find many, many students believe in this, but are nervous about speaking out. The SJWs are loud. So despite the environment in which I work, I feel cautiously optimistic. I mean, no one among the students walked around all downcast after the election. The faculty, not so much!
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:55 pmFrom the end of SH’s essay:
Word. Very much so.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:57 pmOn the one hand, I think it’s great that Matt Taylor’s clownish attire got him in hot water. Sorry to be an uptight fogey here, but I still remember when a PhD who worked for someone as important as the European Space Agency might bother to put on a damn necktie. I know that in this day an age we fetishize our informality, and we have the hackneyed cliche of the rumpled scientist who can’t bother to properly dress himself, but I think Taylor looked absolutely dreadful in that shirt.
On the other hand, the fascistonistas among the womens’ groups are ever so tiresome, and I really wish Taylor had shown up for this apology session in a full burka. That would have been a stick-it-to-’em move.
JVW (60ca93) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:58 pmI don’t disagree with you, JVW. Clearly Dr. Taylor is going for the “crazy informal scientist” persona. It might even be real (I hope so)! But when a camera runs, one has to be aware of that. If he wore it to honor a friend who made him a gift, he should have said so. Instead, I think he got PR’ed.
A friend of mine bought me a fabulous “hula girl” necktie. It’s not as “pinup” as Dr. Taylor’s awesome aloha shirt, but I would never ever wear my tie when I teach, or giving a presentation.
So I agree with you, again. But I will say that there is a disconnect that borders on unfairness. His wearing that shirt is not truly a sexist act (unless the SJWs care to take it up with the woman who made that shirt!). And the whole “Slut Walk” business takes away from the high ground of their argument.
I’m pretty old fashioned. In an old fashioned time, none of this would occur. Folks would think what they want, do what they want in private, but be cautious in public. I don’t think that is bad. But again, I am old fashioned.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:06 pm“I get the pushback against the crazy internet feminist wing. But just because they go over the top doesn’t mean there’s not a thing there you shouldn’t do.”
JRM – Could you perhaps supply a list of things one should not do to earn the wrath of crazy feminists? Next to “What Women Want” I have visions of it being the second longest book ever written since the only function I see for these crazy feminists is to be perpetually enraged.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:18 pmOT, though it is about a step for Mann.
Can anyone get a seat at the DC Court of Appeals to witness lawyering at its finest?
http://www.steynonline.com/6659/a-pongo-for-your-bristlecones
Anyone want to do a DC filed trip/meet upon the AM of Nov 25th?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:19 pmA seat in the “gallery”, not on the bench, that is.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:19 pmFrom the link:
Mark Steyn … went a different route, firing his counsel, answering the complaint, and filing a counterclaim, alleging that the claim against him was “abusive litigation designed to chill freedom of speech and to stifle legitimate criticism of Plaintiff’s work.” (Steyn then filed an amended answer and counterclaim, here).
Mann – who had twice successfully defeated anti-SLAPP motions filed by the defendants – then filed his own anti-SLAPP motion against Steyn’s counterclaim, alleging that it failed to state a claim for abuse of process or malicious prosecution. Steyn, now again represented by counsel, argued in response that his counterclaim did not assert claims for malicious prosecution or abuse of process, but instead asserted claims for: (a) an implied, private cause of action under the DC anti-SLAPP statute; (b) a constitutional tort; and (c) abusive litigation, all of which, he argued, survived the anti-SLAPP motion.
That sounds to this non-lawyer as it might well be a Groucho monologue, about counter-claiming your counter-claim and Slapping one silly if one doesn’t stop the Slapp-stick (which looks curiously like a hockey stick, BTW)..
Though in personal experience, I have found SLAPP suits not to be silly at all.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:26 pmThere is not enough material of any kind to over Keira’s breasts OR…Kims humongo arse…why even oiled it to prepare for???? Personally, it’s disgusting!
Sharinllite (c3ee3a) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:39 pmkim is very photogenic how she makes the poses
and she puts a lot of thought into stuff like clothes and hair
happyfeet (831175) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:49 pmA friend wrote to me to claim that someone “doxxed” Rose Eveleth.
Sigh. Why do people feed Teh Narrative?
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:50 pmI’m pretty old fashioned. In an old fashioned time, none of this would occur. Folks would think what they want, do what they want in private, but be cautious in public. I don’t think that is bad. But again, I am old fashioned.
We’re comerades-in-arms, Simon. I too own some awesome hula girl ties, but they aren’t appropriate for a professional environment so I only wear them for festive non-work events. Ironically, the reason is that I don’t want to offend any women who might be easily offended (not to mention the off-chance that someone finds my tie offensive to the Pacific Islander community). I also have some other whimsical apparel like martini-glass cufflinks which I eschew for business situations.
What I think we are both getting at is the antiquated notion that one should dress for work in a way which shows respect for one’s colleagues, one’s audience, and one’s customers while establishing one as a serious professional. I would have no problem wearing Taylor’s shirt out to a beach bar for a Sunday afternoon of drinking, but not at the office on a Monday morning.
O tempora! O mores! indeed.
JVW (60ca93) — 11/15/2014 @ 1:59 pmHonestly, JVW, and this is the REALLY old fashioned part…
Dressing as we describe shows respect for one’s self.
Oh well.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 2:00 pmJVW and Simon Jester,
I agree with you both. But I think that dressing professionally is an expectation of only some work sites, but not all. Also, if there is not a dress code of sorts, it’s likely the subject doesn’t cross Taylor’s daily radar, plus he apparently wanted to wear the shirt to pay homage to the girl who made it.
Considering as what passes as acceptable wear for women in the public eye these days (see Rhiana, Miley Cyrus, etc) a tacky homemade shirt doesn’t ruffle my feathers too much.
Dana (8e74ce) — 11/15/2014 @ 2:18 pmI love how several of the tweets at #shirtstorm referenced GamerGate, citing that this attack was exactly what was happening in the gaming world.
10SCgal (d4e686) — 11/15/2014 @ 2:28 pmI agree with you both. But I think that dressing professionally is an expectation of only some work sites, but not all. Also, if there is not a dress code of sorts, it’s likely the subject doesn’t cross Taylor’s daily radar, plus he apparently wanted to wear the shirt to pay homage to the girl who made it.
Oh, it’s a certainty that Taylor is not required to follow any dress code at work. My question would be: why not? Once standards start to slip, it’s pretty hard to ever bring them back up. I’m all for the idea of being comfortable, but surprisingly enough if you get into the habit of wearing a necktie it ends up being part of your comfort zone. And certainly people who work with heavy machinery or do manual labor shouldn’t have to wear extra adornments, but I doubt if a rocket scientist qualifies. We’re coming to the day when some invited guest will show up at the White House in blue jeans and a polo shirt. Heck, maybe it’s already happened; has Willie Nelson visited recently?
JVW (60ca93) — 11/15/2014 @ 3:07 pmJVW and Dana, academia/science is an odd place. When I worked in biotech for about eight years, I had to wear a three piece suit most days. I got used to it.
When I returned to academia, I liked wearing a sportcoat and a loose tie. My students liked it to; I was showing them and the subject respect.
My colleagues gave me a rough time about it. Yes, the ones who believe that there is nothing worse than conformity.
Weird place.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 4:24 pmI would not be allowed to write that headline.
Patterico (9c670f) — 11/15/2014 @ 12:42 pm
Why not? This is the Milky Way.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 4:33 pmNo one taking me up on being in Mark Steyn’s cheering section?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/15/2014 @ 4:39 pmIf I were in your neck of the woods, MD, I would be there.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/15/2014 @ 4:41 pmMD?! There’s no such thing as appellate court spectating. It’s a pretty boring hour of two lawyers droning; and three judges doing their best to pretend interest with only one, the poor guy assigned to read the entire record, possibly caring and not necessarily in a nice way. Stay home and watch an old Perry Mason episode for more fun.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 4:46 pmAnyway, here’s a cheer:
Rule for Steyn!
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 4:59 pmAnd as you hear “Global Warming”!
Just take this as a little tip,
This guy Mann is full of s**t!
So, rule for Steyn, Your Honors, do!
amen, nk.
mg (31009b) — 11/15/2014 @ 5:14 pmIf the occuturds showed up at gruber’s address, would the mfm cover it?
mg (31009b) — 11/15/2014 @ 5:31 pmSigh. In 1907:
To obtain a merit badge for Blacksmithing a scout must
1. Upset and weld a one-inch iron rod.
2. Make a horseshoe.
3. Know how to tire a wheel, use a sledge-hammer and forge, shoe a horse correctly and roughshoe a horse.
4. Be able to temper iron and steel.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 6:39 pmditto kudos for the post title.
seeRpea (b08b27) — 11/15/2014 @ 7:28 pmtoo bad he apologized like that.
In most creative job sites today, dress codes are pretty much the same as hanging up a sign that says “We Only Hire Bs and Cs”
Kevin M (d91a9f) — 11/15/2014 @ 7:34 pmwell, nk, Steyn has promised to autograph books for anyone that shows up…
but knowing Steyn, I’m not sure he meant that seriously, as in it would be possible, or whether he was just making fun
so I was asking my lawyer friends here
If I could get in, I could spend the time ignoring the lawyers, unless things got testy, and working on my Grouch Marx “countering your countersuit and SLAPPing people up one side of the head and down the other” dialogue.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/15/2014 @ 8:16 pm… And here I was, thinking that the shirt looked a LOT like the covers of sci-fi novels from back in the late 50’s and through the 60’s.
To my eyes, his shirt made the sartorial statement: “What we called fiction, back then, is what *I* helped make into Reality, now! Yay, S*C*I*E*N*C*E — no longer fiction !!!!! “
A_Nonny_Mouse (1fa585) — 11/15/2014 @ 8:25 pmI don’t know about DC, but appellate court rooms are usually pretty big, with lots of seats for spectators. Now, there’d be half a dozen other cases on the docket as well so you’d be taking your chances with other fan clubs too. And dress neatly and no face paint, pennants, horns or beerhats.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 8:33 pmANM, from Heinlein’s “Glory Road”: What’s wrong with an Aloha shirt and lederhosen?
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 8:36 pmThat’s a fun novel, nk!
Simon Jester (31b587) — 11/15/2014 @ 8:38 pmIt was, right? Maybe his only one I can remember with unreserved fondness. It gave me the impression that he was grinning ear to ear the whole time he was typing it.
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 8:42 pm“Sigh. In 1907:”
nk – Boy Scouts of America were founded in 1910. What organization are you talking about?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/15/2014 @ 9:11 pmSorry. 1911. This book. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/29558/29558-h/29558-h.htm
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 9:36 pmHeh. 1907 downloads. https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=boy+scout+handbook
nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2014 @ 9:39 pmhttps://www.alohaland.com/pinup-girls-guys/galactic-gals-purple
papertiger (c2d6da) — 11/15/2014 @ 10:04 pmIf anyone is looking to buy me a Christmas present.
Simon, the following is my favorite comment from the “Sewing circle” link.
accordingtohoyt | November 15, 2014 at 1:06 pm | Reply
We will if I have anything to say to it.
You see, there’s this natural mechanism for countering their kind. It’s women like me, and Cedar, and Amanda, and Kate and…
You gentlemen just stand back and let us take the fight to them for a change.
These are my kind of women!
felipe (40f0f0) — 11/16/2014 @ 9:05 amSounds like a passive aggressive version of…
IS THE CULTURAL CONVERSATION ABOUT MEN, ACCESSIBLE TO MEN? “No.” Only women are supposed to be able to talk about gender issues. “If my Facebook News Feed is any small sampling of a larger cultural trend, the sound bites and headlines related to men are overwhelmingly negative. Part open season, part reprimand, all a form of galvanization of one (un)kind or another. Though the tone from conservative, liberal, religious and secular, women and men, varies—regardless of the medium—the underlying message is the same: man up. And by this is meant: check your privilege. And by this is sensed: males, your opinions on matters of sexual and social importance are less important, your experience is less valid, and any offence you may have felt is less offensive than the offense you have (if only collectively) dealt.”
papertiger (c2d6da) — 11/16/2014 @ 9:40 amOh good grief, we’re doomed. Long ago I worked STEM.
There were days when I knew as a part of my job I was going to make certain kinds of presentation, and I wore The Uniform: three piece Christian Dior suits, French cuffs and links, black belt, spit-polished black wingtips, was careful to match my metals, and tied my silk tie in a double Windsor.
Other days … you got what I came to work to do. If I was going to be rolling around on the deck installing prototype hardware in a submarine mockup, you got jeans and a t-shirt. Unexpectedly called to give the former presentation, give me five minutes, I could shave, wash hands, and be in an old comfy blazer over a clean polo shirt, and the same jeans and boots (or running shoes, depending.)
I mostly didn’t wear shirts like that to work because they might be damaged in the lab.
I see nothing wrong in his workplace dress. The fault is with those in management (and security) who let the camera crew loose to find and grill him without warning. It’s his job to pilot the space craft, their job to protect him from idiots.
htom (9b625a) — 11/16/2014 @ 10:46 amI should add that when I was dressed up, the women (scientists, engineers, and secretaries) would whistle at me; I’d smile and blow kisses back.) Decades ago, now; fun times. Not sure I’d enjoy today’s workplace.
htom (9b625a) — 11/16/2014 @ 10:49 amIt’s his job to pilot the space craft, their job to protect him from idiots.
htom (9b625a) — 11/16/2014 @ 10:46 am
Well Said!
askeptic (efcf22) — 11/16/2014 @ 11:06 amHtom, it’s so true:
Clean shirt, new shoes
Dana (8e74ce) — 11/16/2014 @ 2:15 pmAnd I don’t know where I am goin’ to.
Silk suit, black tie,
I don’t need a reason why.
They come runnin’ just as fast as they can
Cause every girl crazy ’bout a sharp dressed man
ZZTop got it right.
I’m not sure if Dress Blues or a hand-tied bow tie is the better chic magnet.
htom (9b625a) — 11/16/2014 @ 4:16 pmFirst world problems.
Art Deco (ee8de5) — 11/16/2014 @ 5:30 pmSince when? All societies have clothing and personal grooming conventions.
nk (dbc370) — 11/16/2014 @ 6:13 pmIt’s hard-nosed realism like this that makes me think women could handle Infantry combat just fine.
Richard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 11/17/2014 @ 6:01 amhmm, ya know , the good doctor looks like the father from “Malcolm in the Middle”,
seeRpea (9ff48f) — 11/17/2014 @ 6:46 ammaybe i shouldn’t expect him to dress appropriately 🙂
I thought we were not supposed to judge people by their clothes? Isn’t that what the slutwalk is about? I am so confused? Do these people have no consistency?
Loren (1e34f2) — 11/17/2014 @ 7:44 amI just got a close look at the shirt. Even though i’m not a Sci-Fi Fantasy fan, i still recognized the figurines and the motifs. It is an homage to the genre and I can now understand why he thought it would be okay to wear the shirt when he did and why his FEMALE boss and FEMALE interviewer also had no problem with it.
still, i wouldn’t have given him the okay to wear it for the interview. that event needed more decorum , bad enough he was wearing shorts. (felt the same way about the attire of the NASA guy about a year ago)
seeRpea (09793f) — 11/20/2014 @ 9:50 amDress Whites at a wedding.
Steven Malynn (6b1ce5) — 11/20/2014 @ 10:17 am