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NY 23 Race Heating Up

Filed under: Politics — DRJ @ 9:38 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

The 23rd Congressional special election in New York pits Democrat Bill Owen, Republican Dede Scozzafava, and Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. The race is getting a lot of attention, most notably for how it is dividing Republicans. Newt Gingrich has made several statements in support of Scozzafava while Sarah Palin recently announced her support for Hoffman.

But Fred Thompson was one of the first, if not the first, national Republican to announce his support for Hoffman. Thompson will be featured in this Hoffman ad that airs tomorrow and recently shared his thoughts on why this race is important to conservative Republicans.


129 Responses to “NY 23 Race Heating Up”

  1. If Scoz losing means climate change pansy Newt is marginalized even just a little then that’s good news.

    The only reason Newt has any kind of platform is cause the dirty socialist media knows that Newt is detrimental to the Republican party. Mostly just cause he’s a noxious bloated tool.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  2. Newt showed us all we needed to see,

    “Lets just start with, she is the nominee of the local party, my bias is to be for the nominee of the local party, and I don’t second guess the local party

    Dana (e9ba20)

  3. I believe one other Presidential hopeful has come out for Mr Hoffman…

    Gov. Pawlenty has tossed his support behind him as well.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  4. Hey Newt! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? (from my blog)

    I definitely want Hoffman to win this. Regardless, scuzzy favor will not win. That is a guarantee. And this is a prime time for this to be happening. Prominent Republicans are going heads-up against the RNC and the NRCC on this one. Prominent Republicans are backing the Conservative Party candidate over the moderate party candidate (scuzzy favor).

    The Republican Party thought:
    the Tea Parties were pro-(R).
    912 was pro-(R).
    the “wee-weed-up” townhall meetings were pro-(R).

    Didn’t they hear us? Didn’t they even see Rasmussen? If they can push out a KOS-supported lib as the hand-chosen (not primary-selected) Republican candidate in all this mess, they truly are becoming a Third Party. And the Tea Party/town hall/912 crowd are becoming the other main Party in this game we call US politics.

    May Providence help us as we struggle through this most dangerous of times for our nation.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  5. Dana

    Hoffman is a Republican – there are three reasons why Hoffman was relunctantly passed over by at least 4 Republican committees

    1. No voting Record

    2. No understanding of the Basic issues

    3. did not reside in trhe district – yes its allowable to run outside your district – but not really

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  6. Everything else being equal, I’d rather see a low-tax, small-government type running than a closet liberal.


    What concerns me is the constant attention to the social issues. As a libertarian-leaning (and VERY small-government) Republican, I find an abortion or gay-rights litmus test for Republican-ness disturbing. What is the core of the Republican Party? Is the Big Tent going to become 2 or 3 little tents?

    It’s not the war in NY23rd that bothers me so much as the wrong lessons coming out of it. If Huckabee is the model of Republicanism, and Gingrich is thought a RINO, I’m going to be looking for a new party again.

    Kevin Murphy (3c3db0)

  7. Also Dana

    Looking at Newt Gingriches Record as speaker vs Pelosi’s record as speaker

    Newt Passed budgets for fiscal years 1996 through 1999 the cumulated net sum for those 4 years was a surplus of 53 billion dollars and no deficits

    Under Nancy Pelosi her 2007 through 2010 estimated budgets are running at numbers approaching three trillion dollars

    Soo dismissing Gingrich so out of hand is problematic at best

    If anyone has a PROVEN record of POSITIVE governance its gingrich.

    Also under Bush his first Fiscal budget was the 2nd largest surplus in US History

    Then 9/11 happened

    Then Katrina, Rita, and the fab 4 hurricaines that hit florida happened – the three costliest natural disaster in American History

    Then the wars

    Bush had a grand deficits of approx 2 trillion dollars

    Take away the 1 trillion for the wars

    Take away the 350 billion we had to spend in additional security duer to 9/11

    Take away the 250 billion for those 4 horrendous natural disasters then you get an average deficit of less than 1% of GDP

    Democrats held war funding hostage during the Bush years

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  8. Things started going wrong for the Republicans when DeLay and Hastert pushed Gingrich out. All they could think to do then was rail about abortion and line their pockets until everyone got tired and voted them out. I really have a hard time listening to the “we need more like Bush and DeLay” crowd.

    Then again, maybe it will be the thing to make the center-libertarian party possible, once the Republicans abandon the small-government revolution of Reagan and Gingrich.

    Kevin Murphy (3c3db0)

  9. I vote the candidate, not the party. My feeling about the Republicans is this: as long as their [seemingly] main concerns are my spiritual and sexual characteristics, they will get not one single penny from me. cf Rick “man on dog sex” Santorum, and “Reverend” Huckabee.

    the friendly grizzly (af1c45)

  10. Kevin

    Delays passed twq budgets for a net surplus of 328 billion

    even more than Gingrich

    then 9/11 happened

    Source: United States Office of the Budget

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  11. sorry Kevin

    last post was sent before editing

    Tom Delay strong armed two budgets before 9/11

    The first one had a surplus of 267 billion and the second had a surplus of 128 billion

    even more than Gingrich

    Then 9/11 happened

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  12. So Newt was cheating on his wife while he was going after Clinton for the same thing. What we don’t need in the Republican party are more hypocrits to tell us who to vote for.

    tmac (5559f7)

  13. Actually, Newt was being petulant in ’95, and he allowed Clinton to paint him as the villain. Then came Frank Raines ‘sudden discovery’ of a surplus,
    than Newt screwed up with the handling of the Starr report, and he resigned and we found he
    was being a hypocrite, as we’ve found out in varying ways about Sanford, Ensign, Fossella, et al.

    bishop (996c34)

  14. Gingrich served a purpose once but now he’s an impotent little man and useless useless useless. Dick Armey has precious little function either btw. And you’re right Santorum and his dog sex fetish is creepy.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  15. Well, RINOs like Scozzafava are one reason I don’t work for the GOP anymore. They run to the front for credit for things they don’t do, and they can’t be counted on to stand up to Liberal Socialist, big Statist Democrats.

    Electing Scozzafava is electing a Democrat.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  16. Kevin Murphy #6:

    I consider myself a social/religious conservative … and I agree with you.

    I’ve been telling my religious friends that they need to put the “litmus tests” aside because they are not the key issues that are fanning the flames of social and political resistance at this time. We need to be focused on those core principles that are supposed to define the Republican Party and, quite frankly, haven’t for a while:

    Fiscal Sanity, Limited government, Individual Liberty, Proactive National Security, Free market Capitalism, fair and limited taxation.

    So I reach across the pews to you, Kevin (heh) and say I’ll set aside abortion and gay marriage for now if you’ll set aside legalizing pot and together we’ll find candidates that are willing to speak to principles rather than pimping issues for the short term bang.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  17. I think its downright hilarious when the only guy who as speaker had a net surplus in the history of this country is dismissed by a commentator as a useless little guy….

    Come on Happyfeet! 🙂 – tell us how Dougie baby is going to be the next gingrich? or is he going to be one of those insufferable mike hogs and hold out on both parties for Beck Time?

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  18. EricP:

    Newt hasn’t been speaker for over 15 years. I appreciate what he did 15 years ago but we are in the here and now and Newt is not helping us take back Congress or the White house by endorsing a liberal Republican (a Margaret Sanger award winner fer cryin’ out loud) just for the sake of “supporting the local party,”

    So enough with the nostalgia tour. What has he done for me lately? That, sad but true, is the politics of today. The party concerns me less than the principles they are willing to promote.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  19. No, he’s not, he’ll probably be closer to the next Dick Armey. Boehner has been generally dependable and will not serve as big a foil as
    Gingrich did. Cantor’s ok,

    bishop (996c34)

  20. Dick Armey was the quintessential rino

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  21. BJTexas

    When we stopped listening to Newt we reaped what we sowed

    The record is clear and the last budget he orchestrated was in 2000 not 1995

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  22. What BJ said. Newt doesn’t have the grace to realize his contribution has… peaked. People see his face and think damn these Republican ones are stale. And when he starts yammering on about climate change he just looks … sad. Like he way bad wants to sit at the popular kids table but he can’t cause of he has no power cause of he banged some wanton hoochie while he was still married to his last hoochie.


    happyfeet (f62c43)

  23. Weak?

    Come on build up Doug then come on Happyfeat dismissing as weak – facts – is something Obama does

    Face up to the task – YOU think YOU know “BETTER” than a guy WHO accomplished the holy grail of “Pure Libertarians – a budget surplus!” and NO ONE else IN AMERICAN HISTORY – ever DID!


    there are other words…..

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  24. Dede is conservative in what way?

    JD (40bf6b)

  25. Anyone wishing to know how Newt basically destroyed his own movement should read Novak’s last book – no one within the party at the time has disputed his contention (sourced with Novak’s excellent reporting) that once Newt’s egomania took over via his disasterous showdown with Clinton, the inexorable decline was set in motion. He’s also a huge scumbag – what kind of man marries his former schoolteacher, then serves his sick wife a divorce notice while she’s in the hospital? Creepy and disgusting ; quite a two – fer.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  26. EricP: Fine, 2000, my bad. That’s nine years ago. Newt is now pimping for Global Warming while calling for more drilling and endorsing ultra liberal Republicans as a sop to the local party apparatchiks today!

    Again, I appreciate what he did for the country and I actually like the guy but empowering Mega-RINOs under the current circumstances is not helpful. We’ve already has enough of the McCain – Graham – Snowe – Collins collegiality awards. Time to man up and take a stand.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  27. Those surpluses that people keep speaking of were imaginary, as we soon came to find out.

    JD (40bf6b)

  28. YOU think YOU know “BETTER” than a guy WHO accomplished the holy grail of “Pure Libertarians – a budget surplus!” and NO ONE else IN AMERICAN HISTORY – ever DID!

    You can always tell when a commenter thinks his argument is unassailable when he puts his posts in ALL CAPS. That settles it, I’m convinced.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  29. Dmac

    You can also ignore facts – if that makes you feel smarter – go ahead

    JD – yeah – the congressional budget office is full of imaginary trolls beholden to gingrich and his minions – a vast conspiracy that took literally thousands to accomplish but not one person spoke of it! thanks JD for figuring it out!

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  30. BJTexas

    Fred Thompson voted against the Bill Clinton impeachment – in fact had he supported it Bill probably would have been removed from office

    As a aide to the most powerful
    Republican Senator Fred Thompson convinced his boss that a minor breakin at a hotel was worthy of politically removing a president during a time of war

    Oh yeah and a Governor that quit during her first term

    Those are Dougs magic endoresements

    And BTW I like and am a supporter of Fred, and Sarah and Newt – people are allowed to disagree and post facts to back up their arguments

    Unless you are Happydefeatist!

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)


    JD (40bf6b)

  32. You can also ignore facts – if that makes you feel smarter – go ahead


    Dmac (5ddc52)

  33. Dmac

    You also shouldnt read what Mother Jones prints – astonishingly enough no other news source managed to uncover those allegations in the years since.


    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  34. JD

    Let me guess, you have no facts? Did you uncover anythng that would tell you that Doug – never voted – Hoffman – would even MAKE a good candidate?


    its amazing how some people get unglued when confronted by facts?

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  35. Gingrich could have advocated a non-hysterical approach to global warming, such as the vastly less costly and more effective geoengineering plan supported by the Superfreakonomics folks. He could support carbon removal projects that would push back any need to deal with carbon dioxide —- even under conventional global warming theory —- for four decades.

    So why would such an intelligent and technologically savvy politician throw over his principals and support the most intrusive, expensive and disruptive way of dealing with man-caused global warming, if it’s indeed a real problem to begin with?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  36. Dmac

    No I listed my source as the United States Office of the Budget


    Whats your source – random things I spout when typing?

    Kinda a torets for beginners?

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  37. Brother Bradley

    I’m not talking about talking about something he never voted on I’m talking about his achievements as Speaker

    Sure, bring up the fact that he likes dairy queen as well – its about as relevant

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  38. EricPWJohnson,

    And I’m talking about present-day Newt, who once showed great promise, and has sadly degenerated since then.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  39. Make the case for Dede, Eric. I DEMAND IT !!!!

    JD (40bf6b)

  40. Eric: Where, Oh where did I mention Thompson or Palin? What does that have to do with Newt pimping Global Warming with Nancy freakin’ Pelosi or endorsing a Mega-RINO Mararet Sanger award winner for the sole purpose of supporting the local party?

    Fine, You love Newt no matter what. I get it and so does everybody else. I like Newt as well. I don’t like several decisions he has made to push aside the sorts of principles that he has always championed to either create a touchy feely collegial moment on an economically disastrous issue and kowtow to local party hacks in a solidly Republican district just because … well just because.

    This isn’t about Hoffman or conservatives. It’s about Dede who represents everything that many of us conservatives don’t like about the Republican party right now. It’s following in the simpering footsteps of hand wringers like David Brooks and Kathleen Parker and Rod Dreher who spend more time telling conservatives that we’re just ruining the almighty party with our mob tactics and ineligant language while tsk tsking the socialization of large chunks of our country by using such gentle, collegial language as calling Obama a “statist liberal.”

    All I’m asking Newt to do is have the same level of forthrightness that he showed in bucking the entire establishment on 1995. I want him to be the conservative leader of principle he was in 1995 today!

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  41. I find it hilarious that Eric drops by this blog on a very infrequent basis, yet his bloviating style never changes- no wonder he worships his little Eye of Newt so much.

    Sure, bring up the fact that he likes dairy queen as well – its about as relevant

    Another awesome retort; rather than refute with facts, use kindergarten – style analogies.

    Whats your source – random things I spout when typing?

    Bad case of projection there.

    Kinda a torets for beginners?

    Given your hysterical prose stylings, you better take your own advice and reach for that lithium dose, your screen’s too filled with your spewing bile right now – and btw, it’s Tourette’s, Einstein.

    No I listed my source as the United States Office of the Budget

    The two relevant sources for the Federal gov’t budgets are the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) and the OMB (Office of Management and Budget), Einstein. Do you always debate with this Highlights for Children – style?

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  42. JD

    I actually did – being skeptical I looked at her record as representative and posted loads of stuff

    Law and order check!

    Imposed tax on State of NY to stop them from “appropriating” land rights from homeowners for logging (what nerve still laughing about it – boy are the Dems PISSED!) – check!

    Never ever saw a vote on abortion

    Never saw her vote for a tax increase

    So I made the case – she’s fun to make fun of but shes at least an 83 and Doug is a complete unknown

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  43. Dmac

    go gets some facts then come back and play with the grown ups okay?

    Just kidding – factless is how you want to play thats okay Beck’s looking for roadies

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  44. Dmac

    The OMB also uses the same source I did so does the CBO and everyone else in economics everywhere – its an accepted source.

    Almost I should add?

    Dmac – refute my facts if you can post contrary sources – but if they come from website that also mention steel doesnt burn, oath keepers, minutemen, Beck, Glicrist – you might want to move on to something tamer?

    Whoops I said moveon

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  45. EricPWJohnson is another staunch conservative Republican who just happens to recite Democratic talking points and attack the same targets the Dems do.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (1db574)

  46. The Working Families Party and Kos could not be reached for comment.

    JD (d46097)

  47. Yep

    Thats it I’m a liberal – gosh that must be it – the daily KOS always mentions Gingrich as a tax cutter and a budget balancer – why just the other day they gave him an award for outstanding legislator

    Never ending the toret flowing of unfounded svommel from those who are too lazy too open an almanac

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  48. What concerns me is the constant attention to the social issues. As a libertarian-leaning (and VERY small-government) Republican, I find an abortion or gay-rights litmus test for Republican-ness disturbing. What is the core of the Republican Party? Is the Big Tent going to become 2 or 3 little tents?

    I don’t think her positions on social issues is what’s driven so many people including high profile Republicans to Hoffman. If she was otherwise conservative that wouldn’t be happening.

    There are a lot of people who vote R almost entirely because of social issues. Telling them to put aside social issues and support R’s on some other basis would be like asking Republicans in 1860 to get behind someone running as a pro-slavery Republican because of some other issue. On a national level moving away from conservative social issues is a net loser for the Republican party, especially with polls showing more people having moved to the pro-life side in recent years.
    Dems try to sidestep abortion on the national level now.

    Gerald A (138c50)

  49. Eric – Gingrich is not supporting Dede for Dede. He probaby knows as little about her as any one. He has stated that his support for her is simply a blanket policy of supporting whoever the local Republican party puts up.

    Now how many “facts” that I have heard about this race are not true? I (by definition) don’t know. I do know that I have heard/read the following. 1) Dede has been affiliated/supported by the Working Families Party (and possibly ACORN). 2) Dede is supported by Kos. 3) Dede has accepted the Margret Sangar award from Planned Parenthood for her support of abortion. 4) Dede (or her staff) called the police because a reporter was asking her questions about hot button issues she did not want to answer. 5) The local party chairman picked Dede on her own whim, ignoring the fact that she was not supported in that by the rest of the committee.

    Now I know that you have previously spoken about point 4. You stated, IIRC, that the reporter, from a right wing publication, (the Weekly Standard, which I guess means they are not deserving of respect) was “stalking” Dede, assaulted her, and was activley blocking her from her open car door. Needless to say the reporters version of events is somewhat different.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  50. Have Blue – and neither am I – I just dont believe Doug at all since no one can say anything about him

    4 committees met with both candidates doug was not interestwed in giving substantive answers DeDe was – Doug was given vull consideration and all 4 committees unanimously voted against him over 40 to 60 Republicans who have lived in that district and fought the good fight – decided that DeDe – despite all the “factiods” about her has a solidly conservative VOTING RECORD


    Filing a false police report is not looked kindly on.

    There you have it – a reporter who did admit to stalking her following her to a remote lodge where she was giving a speech and ambushing her in the middle of the night and has a police file open?

    Yeah I’m all over that

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  51. Eric – I am going to assume the strike out function failed in your response and that you meant to stike out “stalking her”.

    Candidates who can not man up and answer a reporters questions should realize the heat of the kitchen is not where they belong. I am sorry that this reporter tried to get Dede to answer questions about her “conservative record” to publish in a consevative magazine.

    Dede recently charged that Hoffman has refused to debate. The record shows that this summer when she was comfortably ahead in the polls it was Dede who was refusing debates. Now that she is at best tied she is claiming that Hoffman has refused offers to debate, and holds press conferences outside his office claiming he is lying. Maybe she will answer questions from the Weekly Standard.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  52. As for the Republican committees not backing Hoffman, apparantly at least half of the voters they represent have a different opinion. In about a week we will see what the rest of the voters think.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  53. Celinda Lake and Ed Goas have Hoffman 5 percentage points ahead of both the Democrat and the RINO. I believe that is the Battleground poll.

    I think you party elitists had better stop drinking your kool-aid. This is going to face both the GOP and Donkeys like nothing before.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  54. Have Blue

    first lets let the police figure out what happened before we acccept as a fact a JOURNALISTs version of his on misbehavior

    second – I’m not a supporter nor would I vote for DeDe – not now not ever – however that still doesent answer the question who is Doug?

    But Now I see that Hoffman confirming he IS A REPUBLICAN and not some third party crack pot

    But I still have questions

    EricPWJohnson (8edc5f)

  55. Eric – Hoffman has always been a Republican. He is running on the conservative ballot line. NY politics is weird, they have had a Liberal Party and an Conservative Party since at least the ’70s. Usually it is taken by one of the major parties candidates but there have been oddities such as the Republican getting both the Liberals and the Cons nominations.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  56. Getting an endorsement from Thompson is like getting one from an old hound dog. I once heard someone – I forget who – say he didn’t run for president, he sauntered.

    PS – Never thought much of his acting either.

    JEA (9f9fc9)

  57. SHOCKA! A leftist does not care much for a Thompson endorsement.

    JD (6a02c8)

  58. go gets some facts then come back and play with the grown ups okay?

    Gee, Eric – here’s some facts for you – the former head of the NRCC just endorsed Hoffman.

    C’mon, Eric – dazzle us once again with your self – professed brilliance. Does this not count in your addled mind – set, or do you want to make up some other scenarios where your Kingly Gingrich is right again?

    Awesome timing, Eric. Epic beclowning, Eric. But gee, thanks for playing. No doubt when you bray at yourself in the mirror each morning, you’re still teh awesome one.


    Dmac (5ddc52)

  59. A leftist does not care much for a Thompson endorsement.

    …but neither will Eric – because he’s such a team player, you know. Wonder if he can get his lips out of his Lordship’s nether regions enough to actually post again.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  60. JD: Remember when Ric Locke wrote that the very fact that Thompson was rather casual about his interest in being president made him the sanest one in the field?

    I see some truth in that observation.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  61. who said Fred didn’t have a chance, Politico and Carl cameron, who virtually anointed McCain as the one. He wasn’t exciting enough by that standard. Newt has passed his sell by date, like spoiled milk. His endorsement of AGW, his lobbying
    for Freddie Mac, his alltoo quick to call quagmire

    bishop (4e0dda)

  62. Amen, BJ. As you know, I think anyone that is prideful enough to think they should run for President should be immediately disqualified.

    JD (40bf6b)

  63. Since 40% of Americans now identify themselves as conservative, the local GOP in New York had a better chance at fielding a conservative by stopping someone on the street than by supporting Dede who, I understand, wanted to run as a Democrat, but that slot was filled.

    You could say that Mr. Hoffman just offers an alternative to the two Democrats running.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  64. In a past age, we’d get POTUS candidates who were truly humble – but let’s face it, the only people who would willingly put themselves and their families through the exhausting process and inspection required in the primaries and general election have to be de facto narcissists. Really, would any sane person put up with all that crap, let alone their families? You have to be a person capable of great self – love, and incessant navel – gazing.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  65. There you have it – a reporter who did admit to stalking her following her to a remote lodge where she was giving a speech and ambushing her in the middle of the night and has a police file open?

    Yeah I’m all over that

    Comment by EricPWJohnson

    This is a bizarre comment. There is AUDIO TAPE !!!!

    Newt was saying on Fox the other evening that the local committee chose her and we should support the local committee. OK, that’s a valid point of view. But attacking the candidate with a lie, as above, is just weird and causes me to disregard all further posts by that commenter.

    Newt got punked by Clinton on the shutdown and may have taken his eye off the ball because he was busy cashing in with his book.

    Personally, I think Hoffman will win. I do wonder at a couple of things Newt said, like Hoffman not living in the district. I still don’t know if that is true.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  66. Fiscal Sanity, Limited government, Individual Liberty, Proactive National Security, Free market Capitalism, fair and limited taxation.


    So I reach across the pews to you, Kevin (heh) and say I’ll set aside abortion and gay marriage for now if you’ll set aside legalizing pot and together we’ll find candidates that are willing to speak to principles rather than pimping issues for the short term bang.

    I said libertarian-leaning, not atheist dope peddler. 😉 I dislike drug prohibition, but I also dislike seeing what long-term pot smoking has done to people I know. Legalize it, tax it and make damn sure that people know how harmful it can be.

    As for gay marriage and abortion and whatnot, I have no desire to see courts impose any of this — Roe was a mistake — but I do think that the Republicans need to back off a bit and let the electorate decide. Nobody is ever convinced by ideology-thumping.

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  67. BTW, I gave money to Thompson last time. Never again. He wouldn’t put up, so he should shut up.

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  68. Former New York Senator Al D’Amato [R-C] has also endorsed Hoffman. It’s ovah.

    Official Internet Data Office (a2b4a2)

  69. I don’t know if an endorsement from that guy is a good thing or a bad thing.

    But attacking the candidate with a lie, as above, is just weird and causes me to disregard all further posts by that commenter.

    I think we’ve all come to that conclusion.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  70. D’Amato: rat leaving ship.

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  71. Eric, Doug is pretty open about what his views are. Of course he’s a Republican, but what the heck does that even matter? He believes government is the problem but a necessary evil to restrain, basically, and he’s right.

    It’s dead accurate that the GOP committees need to be completely replaced in many parts of the country with the very people who are thinking of abandoning the party. That’s the real problem here, not Dede. But we do not have to support rogue GOP committees that submit assholes like Dede for election.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  72. Mike K

    Hoffman Lives in Lake Placid which is three districts away from NY-23

    Thats the MAIN reason the Republican Party could not give him the nomination


    Its important that he be a Republican – no one is abandoning the party so to speak in this case – if this were the primary I would be supporting Hoffman.

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  73. Dmac

    Still no facts, come on just one little link to something eh?

    Name calling – check!

    Distorting what I’m saying – check!

    Making assumptions – check!

    typical discourse

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  74. Eric, you’ve already been pwned on the stalking reporter nonsense. Going for a trifecta?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. Eric,

    I like Hoffman’s candidacy and I think it will help the GOP. Electing left-leaning Republicans like Scozzafava moves the GOP to the left. On the other hand, having a conservative candidate like Hoffman may split the vote in this race and it may even throw the election to the Democratic candidate, but overall it moves the Party to the right and offers a credible alternative that could motivate conservatives to work harder in the next election.

    Yes, the GOP may lose this election, although that’s not clear because Hoffman’s poll numbers are climbing and he has momentum, but this is one seat in a special election and the winner will only serve 1 year. Conservatives are right to focus on next year and they are fortunate to have the opportunity to make a principled point when it won’t matter — because a 1 seat swing in a special election won’t change the Democratic majority in the House.

    Thus, if candidates like Hoffman result in local Party leaders shifting to the right before the midterm elections next year, I think it’s a gift to conservatives and to the Party.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  76. Doug Hoffman has his businesses in the NY 23rd district, where he’s running. He once lived in the district, but the district lines moved, while his house didn’t. To characterize Hoffman as “living three districts away” is nonsense.

    But there’s a job waiting for you at Media Matters!

    Official Internet Data Office (a2b4a2)

  77. DRJ

    I hear where you are coming from

    Hoffman is now claiming to be a Republican and is claiming to be fighting for the heart of the Party

    If he had said that in those meetings when asked they would NOT have chosen DeDe.

    He also could have run against her in the primary in 10 months for the 2010 race

    Also DeDe’s record – besides abortion is the figment of most pundits imagination and tea party rhectoric – I looked at her record and saw that she had sponsored much more conservatives bills than her party leadership.

    Its a shame we are throwing some strong leaders under a bus over one issue – abortion – which BTW she has never ever cast a vote on, and gay marriage which to me is a non issue. Which again she has never ever cast a vote on

    Remember Obama shifted the country too far left – Bush tried to shift the country too far right, the big dog is in the middle – you cant gov too far to either side or you give the other side opportunities and as we have seen they can do alot of damage, incalculatable damage with just 10 months in office.

    It looks like the effects of Thompson and Palin are swinging the race to Hoffman who has not 1 daysexperience in any office or in any political environment.

    Races for the speaker are won 1 vote at a time, we differ slightly on that, momentum for donations is hugely important, people were trying two weeks ago to build up Hoffman as another nail in the coofin of the Republicans – he did wisely see that his candidacy was being distorted and is declaring himself a Republican

    Which is good

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  78. Dmac

    I was refering to the Office of the Budget – those are facts – you linked an endorsement – which is fine except thats not the issue

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  79. Eric,

    I don’t think there is any doubt Scozzafava is to the left of Hoffman and not just on abortion — her positions on same-sex marriage and card check are liberal, too — but I’m focusing on the macro point. When more conservative candidates challenge incumbents and their positions resonate with voters, it can’t help but have an impact on the Party.

    Would it be better to do this in the primary? Yes, but special elections are often time-compressed and tend to attract more last-minute entrants.

    In a way, this is not unlike Perot’s Presidential candidacy. Perot contributed to Bush 41’s defeat and Bill Clinton’s election, but his viewpoints that resonated with voters and his impressive showing lasted … and arguably pushed Clinton into more conservative positions. And unlike losing the Presidency, Congress has 435 members and there is more frequent turnover in Congressional seats so the impact is minimized.

    Does Hoffman’s candidacy hurt the Party? In a way, yes, if you define the GOP solely as a power base but it’s also an ideological base. In this case, I think the harm is relatively minor since this is a special election that won’t change the House majority, while the benefit to the GOP’s ideological direction could be significant. So I don’t see this as the grave threat to the GOP you see it as, and I think it can help the GOP in the long run.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  80. Bush moved things too far to the right? Give me a fuckin’ break. Dede was on the line for the ACORN Working Families Party at one point. I have not one time mentioned the words abortion or same sex marriage when objecting to her candidacy, so you can trot that strawman out for its torching. How about her stated support of Barcky’s “stimulus”? I am so fuckin’ tired of people telling me how I should think, and what I should do, for the good of the GOP. No more. They can earn my support, and will not get it with the likes of Dede.

    JD (3fc3d5)

  81. Card. Check.

    JD (3fc3d5)

  82. You’d think the losers what nominated Meghan’s daddy would jump at a chance to show they were just kidding.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  83. JD said: Bush moved things too far to the right? Give me a (blank) break.

    I didn’t catch whoever said that. But Bush is no conservative. Bush chopped off the conservative coat-tails he could’ve had. Bush is part of the Moderate Party, which hand-selected a liberal as NY-23 candidate. Good luck with that.

    And I agree with DRJ. This NY-23 means jack diddly squat and a hill of beans to boot in the overall makeup of the House of Representatives. But if the RNC, the NRCC and the elected Republicans (74 percent of Republicans say they’re out of touch) will finally sit up and take notice, it will mean a whole lot to the GOP.

    ObamaNomics and ObamaNation are causing such a stir that, if only the Republicans could see it, there could be a huge shift in the off-year elections.

    When the Republicans took the House in the 90s for the first time in 40 years, the Democrats lurched hard-left. What saved the Democrats? The Republicans lurched hard-left to match them.

    Like I said on my site, the Tea Parties were not pro-(R), 912 in DC and elsewhere were not pro-(R), the “wee-weed-up” Town Hall gatherings were not pro-(R). And RNC and NRCC need to get in their thick heads. And that’s what’s happening in NY-23, if only they’d listen (this time). Hey, Newt! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  84. DRJ

    IMO Ross knew very well what he was doing – in fact – his run was all about stopping Reaganism and settling old personal scores than about forwarding on an idiology.

    As far as moving Clinton to the right – that was Newt and Delay with their foot firm up his butt – nothing else – Clinton could not afford another landslide in 1998


    Moving too far to the right?

    According to the Democrat campaign literature – thats what Bush was doing – large tax cuts, even larger one’s proposed, ending the largess of social security and the quadrupling of the border patrol and the loosening of almost all major regulatory rulings – made the left almost apopletic.

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  85. Eric,

    Bush also used No Child Left Behind to federalize local education, promoted amnesty for illegal immigrants, and passed a hefty entitlement program — prescription drugs for the elderly. And do you really think Delay and Newt could have gotten their majorities without an energized conservative electorate?

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  86. I could not begin to care less what Dem campaign literature said, Eric. And, that was a convenient little goalpost move there, since you asserted that Bush moved things too far to the right. Your assertion above had nothing to do with Dem campaign literature, a medium so divorced from reality so as to make Ron Zuk look like a good football coach.

    JD (eef042)

  87. If Bush is far-right, Reagan was so far-right that he was far-left. Give me a freaking break. Bush governed as the ultimate moderate. And McCain is definitely left-of-center.

    And, quite honestly, if the RNC and NRCC want to fill their candidates with McCains and Scuzzy Favors, Tea Partiers and 912s will definitely vote 3rd Party. I know I will.

    The GOP power-brokers have taken Conservatives to the dance, only to leave them behind once arrived. For decades (other than Reagan) this has been the case. GOP says to Conservatives “you cannot win without us.” Well, now it’s the Conservatives who are saying to the GOP “you cannot win without US and we are not accepting your offer to be jilted at the prom this time.”

    That is the point. If GOP wants to win something, GOP will move back to where it belongs: with the Conservatives. If GOP wants to continue dissing Conservatives, good luck with that.

    And for those of you wanting to divorce social Conservatives (also known as Christian Conservatives), you lose any chance of being viable if you do that. And that’s a guarantee.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  88. – this is the press release from Governor Paterson on the Power for Jobs program that Dee Dee Scozzafava brags on as her great acheivement for 2009.

    You’ll find out it’s a welfare of a sort. Like the “Cash For Clunkers” of electricity, paid out to businesses, and not for profit orgs (Hello Acorn. Here’s that free electricity I promised)
    that are straining under the increased energy cost of fighting Al F’n Gore’s hobgoblin.

    papertiger (0b82c2)

  89. DRJ

    your criticism are based not on facts but democrat talking points that have been widely circulated as facts but sadly are not

    Education is a federal matter – always was accountability is what Bush passed for the first time standards had to be met and was met with howls by the 100% democrat teachers unions

    Please point out the Amnesty that Bush passed – more illegals were deported under Bush than in all of American History combined including operation Wetbk by Eisenhower – In fact in 2007 and 2008 the number of illegal immigrants actually declined:

    Source GAO Annuals 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008

    the Prescription Drug program is a net net program as Fox News Reported last week with an interview with Karl Rove – Medicare spending actually went down and growth of the overall progam has slowed – the only entitlement program to since JFK

    Source GAO, OMB, CBO, and the Economist

    It is widely accepted fact that Newts contract with America energized and electrofied the voters for the first time in almost 70 years the Democrats were finally thrown out. Happenstance – well – its easy to excuse it – but like thats saying that the Yankees always win the world series because they play in New York

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  90. JD

    Bush was a far rightie – Reagan was a mild righty to lefty moderate – He raised taxes greater than he cut (2.9% flat tax on everyone and failed to ask it to be capped far outweighed cutting the relatively unpaid 70% tax rate to 28% and he cut the huge consumer interest deduction which many point out ruined the American Car Industry)

    Reagan overspent – bought obsolete unused weapon systems – the B-1 bomber which still does not have a mission – the A-10 warthog the totally useless F-16 and F-14 and delayed the development of battlefield computers – cancelled the steath cruise missle (the one weapon system the Soviets and countries even today are deathly afraid of) – and wasted billions in laser research that even if perfected still has decades of research into portable power systems to be effective

    Reagan fought communism – expensively – wastefully and left the middle east and sub-sahara africa to rot and forment terrorism.

    Reagan himself rated his presidency as a total failure – I concur.

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  91. Eric, Reagan was definitely well to the right of either Bush. And both Bush presidents were moderates.

    How you can call the B1 or the B1B obsolete is beyond me. How you can call the A-10, f-16, F-14 useless is beyond me.

    And laser defense? We are on the precipice of it being a fact, and BHO torpedoed it.

    You call these moderate positions? You have totally beclowned yourself.

    Fighting communism and winning was wasteful? In what paradigm?

    I remember Carter and Reagan (and barely, Ford). I voted for Reagan and told my mother she was wrong for voting for Carter (when she voted for him). I also remember the elder Bush assaulting Reagan for his Conservative viewpoint on taxes.

    You have really beclowned yourself this time (unlike all the other times when you merely beclowned yourself and not “really beclowned” yourself).

    By your own words and your own misrepresentation of the facts and histo-facts, you have shown yourself to not be a Conservative but a moderate-at-best. Good luck with that.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  92. JD

    My Proof Bush vs the “new” goalpost standard of “Ronald Reagan”

    Social Security

    Proposed to lower the Social Security to 4% of which 2% was directly deposited into accounts of the Citizen and not controlled by the government


    December 29, 1981 President Reagan signed legislation which, among other changes: restored the minimum Social Security benefit; provided the trustees of the various trust funds with the authority to borrow from each other

    Also when Reagan took office the maximum amount of SSI and Medicaid taxes was capped at 2,097 dollars When Reagan left office and his last budget went through 1990 the maximum SSI and Medicaid taxes were paid was 7,209 dollars
    Assuming a Salary of 50,000 dollars in 1981 and 1989

    First Calculation 1981 max limit was 25900 dollars times the max self employed rate of 8.1%

    Second Calculation 1989 max limit was 48,000 and the max self employed rate was 15.020%

    So much for lowering taxes myth of the reagan Administration

    This is a CBO paper on the EFFECTIVE tax rate – notice that Bushes 2002 tax cuts were the lowest efective tax rates in US History including Corporate taxes

    Moderate? Hmmmm you decide

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  93. John

    Beclowned is when you opine and never ever post a link except to another blog which links to another blog which links to an opinion piece

    Facts are data

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  94. Nice try, Eric (not really). You might want to answer my queries. You know? Those things that fly in the face of your moronic ass/umptions? Being a former member of the USMC(R), I would be very happy to have a warthog in my theatre. And I like me some B1Bs. And laser defense is on the precipice of astronomical success, but BHO has screwed the pooch on it. F16 and F14? What problems do you have with them, again? And defeating the Iron Curtain? What problem do you have with that? My sister-in-law, a Czech national, would love to know, I’m sure.

    You beclowned yourself by your depraved idiocy and obvious lack of conservatism in everything you said, along with your (obviously unintentional) dishonesty (since you aren’t intelligent enough to see it).

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  95. John

    When you stop the name calling and factless contradictions then you have a point but all of those weapon systems I mentioned have had numerous criticism and were withdrawn decades earlier from service than intended

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  96. Reagan fought communism – expensively – wastefully and left the middle east and sub-sahara africa to rot and forment terrorism.

    Reagan himself rated his presidency as a total failure – I concur.


    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  97. Brother Bradley – That was rather remarkable. That, and the Bush governed as a far rightie, and the sprinting around with the goalposts. But he had LINKS !!!!!!!!!!

    JD (9a8a4b)

  98. EricPWJohnson made himself similarly popular on Hot Air about the phony Duke lacrosse rape case:

    write to any university and ask if strippers and sex performers are allowed on campus?

    I’m curious as to which ones will reply

    I can’t really believe some people are that morally bankrupt that they cannot see the difference between the John and the prostitute

    they are both guilty

    EricPWJohnson on April 12, 2007 at 8:56 AM

    Are you serious?

    Colleges give classes on pornography these days, sponsor showings of crap like the Vagina Monologues and a whole lot of other stuff that are far worse than allowing strippers or sex performers on campus. But that’s irrelevant anyway, because the party was in a house off campus.

    Please take your drive-by narcolepsy back over to Patterico, you’re really not wanted here.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  99. Duke Lacrosse Team – We are guilty of being falsely accused of rape.

    JD (848a9f)

  100. Bush as far-right–please. I was listening to the radio yesterday, yes, it was Rush, who was reminding people that Reagan never said he was for the big tent of Republicanism–that he said if people didn’t believe in core principles, they should leave the party. I understand and agree that we should not demand 100% perfect ideological candidates, but for God’s sake, Dede ain’t even close–card check, stimulus, etc, etc, etc, I don’t know what the Democrat’s position is on these issues, but it can’t be much different.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  101. I don’t know if EPWJ is a troll, or just clueless, really makes no effective difference

    bishop (4e0dda)

  102. Wow, Bradley – I mean, just wow. What a great Fisking of the Troll. So “Eric” was an apologist for the fraudulent “rape victim.”
    I hope he comes back so we can give humilitate him further.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  103. My statement still stands the kids were guilty of hiring a stripper, contributing to the delinquency of minors.

    Ann Coulter also agreed in her column so did Allahpundit, Michelle Malkin, and just about everyone else.

    This was not about the Nifong – it was about that those boys got themselves in trouble breaking the law, a falling out among criminals

    We made them heroes of injustice

    Which is still just as stupid now as it was then.

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  104. But I personally think its hilarious that you guys are thinking the Duke boys were “victims”

    No wait – its sad really, the lack of morals and decency

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  105. Naturally Dmac still hasnt posted any facts….

    nor has anyone else

    hey I also defended Johnny Sutton as well…

    Lets see what else people can dig up!

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  106. I am famous people seem to be caching comment I made even in 2006

    for example at Rightwingnuthouse

    Comments Posted By EricPWJohnson
    Displaying 1 To 2 Of 2 Comments



    That’s exactly her point crossing boundaries – watch the video again – she acknowledged crossing the boundaries because the widows time and time again crossed it while using their tax payer incomes and status a war widows has cover to nto garner any criticism. You never post anything these “widow” millionaires have said but Anne chronicles their vile march into politics quite accurately – that’s why she’s ever been sued – love her or hate her – she’s a relentless researcher

    Face facts – Coulter said it because it was true and it was right to do

    Comment Posted By EricPWJohnson On 7.06.2006 @ 06:11
    Jsut remember, these widows were given millions of tax payers dollars as compensation and yet still spew their venom at the same administration that awarded them.

    Ask the Murray Federal Building or the Waco survivors or even the families of those who were lost at Pearl Harbor where their multi-million dollar compensation checks are coming

    If this is democracy then I need to tear up my civics books

    Comment Posted By EricPWJohnson On 6.06.2006 @ 23:21

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  107. Talk about touching a nerve – keep digging yourself deeper into that tar pit, Troll Boy. Posting more wall ‘o texts is the perfect tell.

    I don’t know if EPWJ is a troll, or just clueless, really makes no effective difference

    Can’t he be both?

    This is my favorite part of his statement:

    I can’t really believe some people are that morally bankrupt that they cannot see the difference between the John and the prostitute

    they are both guilty

    Just like the Mad Hatter, he pronounces all guilty, and to be put to death immediately. Awesome reasoning skills, that.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  108. Dmac

    In every state the john and the prostitute are guilty – at many DA’s office charges of rape are constantly hurled by these people when there is a falling out over money

    At Duke it was highly embarassing and humiliating to the university – that these boys – a sports team – were going to watch strippers perform live sex acts with students while being taped and probably distributed on campus

    I see that you approve of such behavior and actually – I’m not surprised except that you are so open about it

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  109. Now you are just being a jackass, Eric. Along with making things up. It is rather unattractive.

    This has been another example of how to win friends and influence people – Chapter 6.

    JD (787a1f)

  110. Eric,

    I’m not going to Nifong you, but you are being a complete idiot. If anything at Duke, the 88 professors, who persecuted the falsely accused students, should all be fired and the firing be part of their public file when applying for other state sponsored indoctrination jobs.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  111. Dear Hot Air,

    So nice of you to send EricPWJohnson here, but we feel so guilty depriving you of his wit and wisdom. You’re welcome to take this prize commenter back, for as long as you can stand want him.

    Bradley J. Fikes, C. O.R. (a18ddc)

  112. PCD

    I was addressing the fact that Shepard went WAY overboard – these students were not innocent choir boys – they created the situation and sold tickets to it and hoped to profit from their sordidness

    When they were giving solem interviews how their personal lives were tarnished by this so and so Nifong

    I and many other conservatives reached our gag reflex.

    This was my statement

    88 professors – was not the topic


    Of course I’m a complete idiot – I’m blogging arent I

    Bradley J no FACTS

    I blog over at HOTAIR quite often none are deprived

    You can ask Patterico to ban me if you wish – all I did was respectfully respond to everyone’s assertions – many were false ones that have been floated as facts for years

    And posted proof of them

    All you guys seem to want to do it have fun painting ansd sweeping with those big wide brushes

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  113. Well, Eric blew right through the trifecta into bizarro universe.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  114. Well, SPQR, concerned conservatives need to slime the students while ignoring the illegal actions of Nifong, and the reprehensible actions of the faculty (who have still never apologized for their accusations toward the students).

    That is the Progressive Playbook: attack the victims, and ignore the perps. Isn’t that how it works, generally?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  115. And by “concerned conservatives,” I mean Mobys.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  116. Either a Moby, or just authentically incoherent.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (d45bb4)

  117. Eric, perhaps, although my experience with EricPWJohnson is that incoherence and confused thinking dominates any “playbook”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  118. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 10/28/2009 @ 12:58 am

    Please point to that portion of the Constitution that makes Education a Federal Matter!

    You’re a Fool!

    AD - RtR/OS! (ce9c93)

  119. Reagan was a FAILURE !!!! It is a fact !!!!

    JD (aad7c1)

  120. Citizens of New York running for the exits – costing state a fortune in lost tax dollars.
    Huddled masses of wretched refuse and homeless hardest hit.

    Is Scozzafava proud of this?

    papertiger (e6cefc)

  121. The depths of stupidity plumbed by the masses in New York is demonstrated by their foolish attempt to flee a high-cost state to relocate in one with more moderate taxes and regulations.
    Don’t they realize the Paradise they currently occupy?
    DeDe will lead them back to sanity.

    AD - RtR/OS! (ce9c93)

  122. Little known fact – Melanie Sill, the manhating, race baiting, liberal harpy, who was the principle party pushing the Duke lacross rape lie on the pages of the Newsobserver, instead of being sued into obscurity, jailed for filing false reports, instead was given a promotion to Chief Editor. Not in Raleigh.
    No no no. North Carolina ran her out of town on a rail.
    No, Melanie Sill was promoted to cheif editor in Sacramento.
    There are no racists so vile, or manhating harpies so evil that the SacBee won’t hire them.

    Dismal failure and deceit have their rewards if you are a liberal.

    papertiger (e6cefc)

  123. I need more coffee, or more sleep, or a smack up side the noggin’ I took EPWJ’s comments as sarcasm. Now, I see the light, he’s crazy as a shit house rat.

    ropelight (fbbed1)

  124. “…No, Melanie Sill was promoted to cheif editor in Sacramento…”

    Wonder if The Governator will invite her by for a cigar?

    AD - RtR/OS! (ce9c93)

  125. Eric Blair

    Hmmm Ann Coulter wrote an article – when you lie down with strippers – you get pleas…

    My comment was the over doing on the otherside of the coin that these three fine young men were making the talk show circuit ginning up support for their felonious behavior

    So they got falsely accused of one crime while committing many others….

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  126. Eric

    I wasnt addressing Nifong nor the College Professors

    I was addressing idiots who created a situation and were crying victim about it

    Read EXACTLY what I said –

    This all came about because now today the same questions I raised in this thread are being echo’d throughout the conservative blogesphere

    Who is Doug and what does he stand for and can he do the job.

    And BTW the NY Republican party and DeDe are denying now that she ever was for all these things abortion, gay marriage, card check, yes she did get an award but that same award has been given to many republican legislators most not supporting abortion.

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)


    Looks guys this is called a link to a news story

    EricPWJohnson (d9ce25)

  128. Stuart R has this comment on the NY-23 race

    In fact, Democrats might be better off were Hoffman to win the special election in New York. Yes, that outcome would prevent Democrats from expanding their House majority, but a Hoffman win might embolden the Club for Growth and encourage conservatives to take on other Republicans who aren’t entirely pure. And encouraging a bigger GOP civil war is something that could help Democrats win more than a single additional seat in the House

    EricPWJohnson (8e6419)

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