The Jury Talks Back



Filed under: Uncategorized — Patterico @ 10:16 am

I could write more about Sarah Jeong. But meh. On one hand, a guy found a ton more obsessive garbage from her about white people. His thread is here. If you think this controversy has been overblown and based on a handful of tweets, click that link and survey a large sample of her obsessive denigration of white people. On the other hand: in her favor, she appears to hate the New York Times and virtually everyone who has ever written for it.

She’s not going anywhere — she chose the correct race to be racist towards, after all — so let’s call it a draw. Look at it this way: every time the NYT writes an editorial on race in the future, we’ll have the example of this racist to point to. And won’t that be nice?

I could write about President Trump tweeting about LeBron James:

But meh. Yes, LeBron James has just launched a school for disadvantaged kids. This is a stupid culture war fight to pick. But Trump is just engaging in his childlike nonsense. Boring. Plus, he’s just trying to change the subject from Manafort, etc.

I like Mike!

OK, here’s a good one. The Gendered Natures of Polar Bear Tourism.

Beautiful. Get Trump to tweet about it and Sarah Jeong to reply with some nasty comment about white man, and we’ll be cookin’.

I’ll close with the never-ending menace of people throwing dead octopi at condos:

Thanks to the country’s historically strict firearm control laws, police officers in Japan rarely have to worry about dealing with gun-wielding criminals. However, over the past few months Japanese law enforcement officials have arrested suspects for crimes committed using knives, sickles, and even fireworks, and now investigators in Hokkaido are searching for a man who armed himself with an eight-legged instrument of mayhem.

On July 27, at around 2 a.m. in the morning most of the city of Sapporo, the largest city on the northern island of Hokkaido, was sleeping. One resident of the city’s Chuo Ward, however, couldn’t because he kept hearing a thumping on the exterior wall of his condominium building. While Japan appreciates peace and quiet in its residential areas, most people won’t immediately call the cops at the first bit of noisiness. After the thumping had gone on for nearly an hour, though, the resident contacted the police, who came out and searched the area.

While they didn’t find any suspicious people lurking around, they did discover some suspicious seafood, in the form of a dead octopus which they said had been thrown against the building’s wall repeatedly.

Thanks to Dave Barry, who notes: “This happens far too often.”


  1. Trump took on wealthy owners and athletes in the NFL anthem debate, and his supporters seemed to love it. Why shouldn’t he pick a fight with even wealthier athletes?

    Comment by DRJ — 8/4/2018 @ 1:30 pm

  2. Donald Trump has finally said something that energizes me … to vote for Republicans that say negative things about him.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/4/2018 @ 5:46 pm

  3. So be to seems an exciting choice to you, our district has Nancy Soderbergh who put the Clinton Korea deal when she was at the nsc.

    Comment by Narciso — 8/4/2018 @ 5:56 pm

  4. She is a Democrat. I said I would vote for a Republican.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/4/2018 @ 9:18 pm

  5. Plus, Trump said he would destroy Republicans’ careers, not Democrats’. Apparently he has no problems with Democrats that criticize him. He probably feels a kinship to them since he’s been one for so long.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/4/2018 @ 11:43 pm

  6. Like with judge Moore, you mean where Gloria all red preferred false evidence, but it didn’t matter.

    Comment by Narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 6:38 am

  7. I understand if you don’t think Moore’s accusers are credible, but some people (even Republicans) thought they were. We’ll never know what a jury would have decided and legally Moore is and should be considered innocent, but he wasn’t proven innocent.

    As for Trump, he wants to ruin people’s lives simply because they speak ill of him, especially those on his side. That is much worse than taking political scalps. That is what dictators do.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/5/2018 @ 9:15 am

  8. No this is the way the Clintons have done since they swept out the 93 us attys since the travel office, since they went after men starr, with the press as accomplice. The press is Mueller cheering section.

    Comment by Narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 10:02 am

  9. Even if that is all grue, so what? Does that justify Trump ruining peoples’ lives, let alone people from his own Party? (Although, face it, Trump doesn’t care about the Republican Party. He only cares about Trump.)

    Comment by DRJ — 8/5/2018 @ 11:03 am

  10. True, not grue.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/5/2018 @ 11:03 am

  11. It’s like Lord of the Flies for Trump supporters. Anything goes. I understand desperation makes us willing to break every rule to win, but are we still America if we do that — let alone a Great America?

    Isn’t our commitment to the Constitution, laws, capitalism, liberty, and morality what makes us great, and isn’t Trump undermining all of them?

    Comment by DRJ — 8/5/2018 @ 11:07 am

  12. No its more like kafkas trial, they conjured indictments out of whole cloth, accepting a second hand representation of the crime scene, where is the defrauding, taxes were paid, now the 20 million
    Hacked files, the dozen us assets in china, around the time, feinstein had hired the staffer. The other documents transferred by the awans to parties unknown, none of that seems worthy of investigation.

    Comment by narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 12:04 pm

  13. Yeah, but whatabout when Hillary Clinton was president, she did… It’s like they believe that she was actually president at some point, it’s been 18 years since she was the wife of a president.

    Also, there was less there there for Ken Starr’s Whitewater investigation. People who actually were cognitively capable in the 90’s, remember this was a real estate deal in Arkansas, but got Clinton for sex in the oval office, technically lying about sex in the oval office, it got him impeached, after 7 years of investigation. So the Russia investigation has uncovered dozens of bad actors, several people in the Trump campaign have pleaded guilty to acts that occurred, during the campaign. A foreign power actively trying to intervene for Trump, 100% admitted to by Putin.

    So two years in, exponentially more direct evidence for the specifics of the investigation are directly on point. You can’t have it both ways, it was either bad when Clinton lied about sex as president, and bad when Trump lies about, literally everything, or it’s not. The R or D behind the name shouldn’t matter.

    I’m not a huge fan of Pence, he was a below average congressman, and governor; but we’d be all of the good, and almost none of the bad with him as a placeholder until 2020, where we may actually be able to nominate someone with just basic competence.

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/5/2018 @ 12:23 pm

  14. So you add Mueller’s record of negligence at best, and abuse of power, in many instances his choice of personnel have engaged in sinilarractices and the whole enterprise seems rife with malfeasance.

    Comment by narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 12:50 pm

  15. Except that none of those things actually are true.

    There is zero record of any of the things you say. They are completely fact-free, hence when he was named, every single Republican said how he is, in point of fact, the most highly respected law enforcement officer of the last 50 years.

    So whatabout Mueller (incredibly highly respected man with zero history of shady dealing)…how about whatabout Trump, how was his campaign not conspiring with a foreign power, how are the thousands of lies, actually true.

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/5/2018 @ 1:24 pm

  16. Egads…

    Tariffs are working big time. Every country on earth wants to take wealth out of the U.S., always to our detriment. I say, as they come,Tax them. If they don’t want to be taxed, let them make or build the product in the U.S. In either event, it means jobs and great wealth.Because of Tariffs we will be able to start paying down large amounts of the $21 Trillion in debt that has been accumulated, much by the Obama Administration, while at the same time reducing taxes for our people. At minimum, we will make much better Trade Deals for our country!

    Uhh, that’s not how either a tariff works, or math.

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/5/2018 @ 2:55 pm

  17. The Trump, a stable genius.

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/5/2018 @ 2:58 pm

  18. really ask dr. Stephen hatfill, ask the two aipac executives, the two dead men in boston who were imprisoned for a crime,

    Comment by narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 3:50 pm

  19. I cannot respond to your gibberish any longer, either install Grammarly or do a better job with Google Translate.

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/5/2018 @ 4:29 pm

  20. You get some notion here:

    Comment by Narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 6:36 pm

  21. Some details on the other matter:

    Comment by Narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 7:01 pm

  22. Some other instances I’d forgotten:

    Comment by Narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 7:09 pm

  23. Narciso -What a bunch of crap.
    Honestly, you forgive every transgression, nay, cheer every transgression and cloak it in lies, to support Trump.
    You are the worst of America, and with all the history of being an “reliable” conservative, you are nothing.
    You lie, you obscure and you deflect. You are not a “patriot”.
    All you do is search for something, anything, to deflect from looking into the mirror and seeing what you have become – the enemy you so despise.
    “We have met the enemy, and they are us”, explains you, sir.

    Comment by TomM — 8/5/2018 @ 9:37 pm

  24. I see Colonel Klink, TomM, and I are in agreement about what leads to a valuable discussion, so let’s find something to discuss. I have several appointments today but I should have more time starting tomorrow. I look forward to exploring topics we see eye-to-eye on and those we don’t.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/6/2018 @ 6:36 am

  25. gosh, pointing out alternate interpretations of the ‘kindest bravest man, there ever was’ seems to agitate you tom m, return to your designated two minute hate,

    Comment by narciso — 8/6/2018 @ 6:51 am

  26. I encourage you to discuss your opinons, narciso, but linking other people’s opinions is not the same. Say why you think the links are important and right. Otherwise the discussion becomes:

    Did so.
    Did not.
    Did so.
    Did not.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/6/2018 @ 8:27 am

  27. For instance, this (which doesn’t even have a link):

    really ask dr. Stephen hatfill, ask the two aipac executives, the two dead men in boston who were imprisoned for a crime,

    Comment by narciso — 8/5/2018 @ 3:50 pm

    I know Hatfill. I assume you blame Mueller for bungling the anthrax investigation. That is a reasonable concern. I attribute it to the heightened terrorism anxiety after 9/11. No one wanted to be the one who let another terror event happen.

    But I have no idea what you mean by the 2 aipac executives” or if that is the same or different than “the two dead men in boston who were imprisoned for a crime.” BTW, how do you imprison dead men?

    Comment by DRJ — 8/6/2018 @ 8:36 am

  28. I refuse to translate your all comments. I guess you understand them but most of us find them very confusing.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/6/2018 @ 8:40 am

  29. He made the same mistake 5 years later, compare that with John you that they tried to disbar fir his reasonable interpretation of European court of human rights decision, after they removed him. Notably Mueller did not follow the most likely targets which was al queda, the atta jarrah and haznawi flags. Aipac executives were tried on the espionage act for trasnfering certain info to Israel.

    Comment by narciso — 8/6/2018 @ 9:56 am

  30. They died in prison for a crime connected to one of whitey bulger buttonman, because bulger was a source, now the gunman did to but by the time Mueller got to Boston, clearly there were indications that bulger was racking up a body count.

    Comment by narciso — 8/6/2018 @ 10:00 am

  31. I apologize for the invective. This is the “polite” side of the board.
    But the point remains that there are millions of people like “narciso” that flat out refuse to see what damage they are doing to the United States by debasing themselves for Trump.
    It’s now clear that he lied point-blank to everyone numerous times in written and verbal statements about the Russia meeting – one of the substantial spurs of the investigation in the first place. He point-blank looked at people and lied to their faces. Yet narciso (and the others like you) does not care.
    Why is it important rather than pathetic is that there are millions of him, and that’s sad and disturbing.

    One more point – I would not except that type of behavior (point-blank lying) from anyone, particularly an employee.
    And like the old movie “Dave” – I think the president works for us, the citizens of the USA. We are not his minions, we are not his army, we DO NOT work for him.
    That’s why it’s a tremendously difficult job, one that ages everyone in the office – if they, you know, actually do the job and don’t farm out the details and only do the “fun” stuff.
    There’s no “2 minute hate” going on, there is simply unstopping contempt for those like narciso and his ilk.

    Comment by TomM — 8/6/2018 @ 1:21 pm

  32. Let’s see about the case you’re referring to and, you know, the actual facts that make it a completely ignorant citation.

    A) It wasn’t Whitey Bulgar, it was Joseph “The Animal” Barboza and Vincent “The Bear” Flemmi, those are two different human men.

    B) The 6 convictions were in 1968, 4 of which were not connected, the crime occurred in 1965. At the time of the crime, Mueller was in college, at the time of the conviction, Mueller was in Vietnam.

    C) Barboza was given a 1-year sentence for cooperating, after release relocated to California, where he was convicted for killing someone else in 1971. He was murdered in San Francisco in 1976.

    D) The case was closed with the convictions, it was reopened in 1999. The 2 still alive released in 2001 and settled a wrongful conviction lawsuit in 2007 for $102 million.

    E) Mueller took over the Boston office in 1982 and left in 1988, a decade an a half after the case was closed, and more than a decade before it was reopened.

    So your example bad acts by Mueller, if I’m being very generous, is wrong. But I’m not that generous, you heard a stupid rumor by a stupid man on a stupid network and let your lack of sense let you repeat the stupid thing making you look stupid. Again.

    And what in the world does any of that have to do with the Trump campaign conspiring with a foreign government…SQUIRREL…

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/6/2018 @ 3:26 pm

  33. No, the link is from sarah carter, who doesn’t receive handouts or payouts from fusion gps, or
    paid off the fbi like in that chart of the ig report, you can give him the benefit of the doubt once, but when he gets things consistently wrong in the courts, as do his underlings,

    Comment by narciso — 8/6/2018 @ 4:13 pm

  34. So now it’s not the stupid thing you used for a justification that was a lie. Now your justification is…stuff…things…feelz…because…

    He’s getting things wrong in the courts, uh, OK, where’s that. The single case in court now is destroying Manafort, and a bunch of guilty pleas too. The IG report is pretty hard on Comey, a different human man than the one you’re talking about. Also, the counter-intel investigation started months before the Steele dossier existed, so that’s a completely stupid talking point, off of a tip from ASIS passed on to the CIA.

    How about just admit it, you’ve no clue, you spout other peoples lies, and then when shown the lie, you use an unconnected 2nd lie, then 3rd. You several thousand deep now. Bless your heart.

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/6/2018 @ 4:55 pm

  35. I imagine this thread is dead, but this longish quote for John Scalzi
    encapsulates my disgust with the Happyfeet and Captain Haiku and narscio’s of the world (or at least on this blog), and I think it explains their thinking:

    It’s really frustrating to me that more people don’t understand that racist/alt-right people have gamified their rhetoric; they’re not interested in discussion, they’re slapping down cards from a “Debate: The Gathering” stack, and the only goal is taking heads.
    They gamify their rhetoric because essentially this shit is a low-stake game for them, whereas for other people it’s their actual lives. That’s an advantage they have. If they lose, they shuffle their cards and go on to the next thing. If others lose, their life takes a hit.
    And because their rhetorical strategy is essentially card-based, actual knowledge of issues is unimportant and probably a hinderance. They don’t want or need to understand the issues that affect others, they just need you to play their game so they can win.
    I don’t have time anymore to diddle about with children who think other people’s lives are some sort of turn-based game, especially when all they want is to hurt other people. And it bothers me more people, especially those with power, don’t understand this shit.
    I’m not going to tell people not to engage with these chuckleheads. But don’t engage with them on their terms. Engage with them on your own. One, they hate that, and two, it exposes what they’re doing as a pointless, hateful exercise, and them as awful people.
    *In sum: Understand what these folks are doing. Refuse to play along. And if you choose, point out to others the hollowness of their game. Because their “game” is to hurt other people, and then go on to the next target. Their game is other people’s lives.*
    Tweet tread beginning with:

    Comment by TomM — 8/6/2018 @ 5:40 pm

  36. It is Trump’s motto: Get Even. Nothing else matters.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/6/2018 @ 6:10 pm

  37. narciso continuous to get rekt in these conversations.

    His arguments are puny and fascile, and his responses show a weak intellect. Unsure of where to turn for rebuttal, he chases the opinions of other, like minded fools, to use their words in defense of his chosen leader. Alas, that too is flawed with problems, because those are also a field of lies.

    So in the end poor narciso, his undeveloped mind succumbs to being starved of thought, since you can gain no sustenance from a field of lies.

    Comment by Colonel Klink — 8/6/2018 @ 10:37 pm

  38. It’s easier for Trump’s supporters to lecture than to actually discuss, just as it’s easier for Trump to claim he is for deregulation than to actually deliver deregulation. Here in Texas, we call their approaches “All hat, no cattle.”

    Comment by DRJ — 8/7/2018 @ 6:49 am

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