The Jury Talks Back



Filed under: Uncategorized — Patterico @ 6:52 am

Italian = graduate degree.

Spanish = high school degree.

I guess that’s what he’s saying?


  1. Brooks assumes she couldn’t read and was therefore intimidated by the language on the menu. Maybe she had simply eaten there before.

    Comment by DRJ — 7/11/2017 @ 7:00 am

  2. I bet if I took Mr. Brooks to an real Mexican Restaurant here in Texas he’d have just as much trouble figuring out what half the menu said. Then again, I have a hard time believing he ate real Mexican food in New York.

    Comment by Sean — 7/11/2017 @ 8:54 am

  3. Of course in defense of the woman that Brooks is shaming here, there are a number of folks who are trying to be trendy in food service industry by putting foreign words into their menus and hoping that gullible hipsters will buy it up. So a BLT becomes for example a Pancetta affumicata Pomordo with lettues or a classic po’boy grinder sandwich becomes huître baguette. It is a little embarrassing, but it is also supposed to allow the hipsters and the aging boomers a chance to flaunt they have culture. Sort of how the Greatest Generation or even the 1st stage of boomers that came of age in the 50’s and 60’s all had studied either Italian or French and did all the trendy French things for clothing and culture for a while. It also doesn’t help that in the food and health world there has been a whole slew of shysters who have convinced the American population (and to an extent the English speaking world) that we are unhealthy unless we eat like nation X or population group Y. All while ignoring historical trends about why certain foods were produced or even eaten.

    Oh and finally, David Brooks is and will probably always be a lightweight intellectually. He either comes off the ropes as a wannabe elitist who looks down on the people he wants to supposedly care about. While the other side of his attitude is all Church Lady from the Simpson. The whole hand wringing about some failure in American society, but advocates for policies that cause more hand wringing since it aggravates said failure.

    Comment by Charles — 7/11/2017 @ 9:03 am

  4. Sean, it *is* possible to get authentic Tex-Mex in New York, although it’s hard. It’s next to impossible to get Cal-Mex or Oaxacan food.

    Comment by aphrael — 7/11/2017 @ 10:19 am

  5. Sean, it *is* possible to get authentic Tex-Mex in New York, although it’s hard.

    Didn’t there used to be a branch of Los Dos Molinas, the great Phoenix restaurant, somewhere on the East Side? I always tried to get my sister to go there, but I hear it closed after only a few years of being open.

    Comment by JVW — 7/11/2017 @ 10:56 am

  6. I wonder, incidentally, how Brooks’ “friend” feels about being described this way in the NYT.

    Comment by aphrael — 7/11/2017 @ 12:13 pm

  7. Is it French, or is it Italian …. I guess it’s Fritalian!

    Comment by carlitos — 7/12/2017 @ 12:15 pm

  8. Brooks’ “friend” doesn’t exist, so her feelings probably aren’t hurt too badly.

    Comment by carlitos — 7/12/2017 @ 1:02 pm

  9. Meh. I’m not comfortable assuming the non-existence of the claimed friend; I don’t have a sufficiently strong basis for calling Brooks a liar.

    It’s more interesting to me, though, that even if he has an interesting point, assuming he’s telling the truth, the story he is telling shows him not treating his friends well.

    That speaks pretty deeply to his character.

    Comment by aphrael — 7/12/2017 @ 1:26 pm

  10. carlitos! How you beanz?

    Comment by nk — 7/12/2017 @ 1:45 pm

  11. I bet he thinks he treats his friend very well because he is thinking about her feelings. It’s friendship that puts manners before communication, and it’s nothing new. I have relatives born in the early 1900s who did the same thing. For example, my relatives would not have invited a poor friend to an event that required him to wear a tux because they wouldn’t want to embarrass him if he didn’t have one or couldn’t afford to rent one. It sounds elitist but they never would have viewed it that way; in fact, just the opposite.

    Unfortunately we can’t all be the kind of people who embrace Friday Night Meatballs, but maybe someday we will be.

    Comment by DRJ — 7/12/2017 @ 2:03 pm

  12. DRJ – what’s bothering me is not what you describe, but the posting about it publically. Like, your older relatives would not have then gone and talked about their not inviting someone publically in a way that would make it fairly clear to the people that they were the ones being talked about.

    *That act* is ironically ill-mannered.

    Comment by aphrael — 7/12/2017 @ 2:27 pm

  13. Most folks enjoy gossiping, aphrael, and that generation was no exception. They just made sure they didn’t say it to your face. It’s no fun being the target in print or in gossip.

    Comment by DRJ — 7/12/2017 @ 2:55 pm

  14. Hey nk – things are good, thanks!

    Comment by carlitos — 7/12/2017 @ 7:00 pm

  15. carlitos! Long time no see!

    Comment by Patterico — 7/12/2017 @ 7:06 pm

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