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10/5/2017

Michelle Obama, Unbound

Filed under: General — JVW @ 4:29 pm

[guest post by JVW]

I was never really big on some conservatives’ outright disdain for Michelle Obama. Yes, I thought her infamous comment about her husband’s successes being “the first time in my adult lifetime I’m really proud of my country” belied a conveniently-suppressed radicalism; I was no fan of her busybody efforts at managing school nutrition from Washington; and I too had a great deal of contempt for the cozy sinecure she fell into at the University of Chicago Hospital as her husband was climbing the political ladder, though I chalked that up to typical Illinois corruption. But I never cared for the snide remarks about her looks (e.g. Rush’s childish “Moochele”) — I think she’s actually quite an attractive woman — and it seemed to me that as First Lady she conducted herself for the most part with warmth and class. I certainly found her less appealing than, say, Mamie Eisenhower or Laura Bush, but I thought she was a world better than Edith Wilson or Hillary Clinton. And I never bought into the idea that she was interested in a political career of her own; I always thought that she would be someone who would be happy being removed from the Washington maelstrom.

So I must confess that I find it very intriguing that Mrs. Obama has recently been in the news singing from the crybully songbook at various progressive gatherings. Dana reported last week on Mrs. Obama’s curious contention that women who failed to vote for Hillary Trump voted against their own interests, which is sort of like contending that white men who failed to vote for John McCain or Mitt Romney were equally guilty of sabotaging their own kind. It’s not news to any of us that this is the progressive mindset — know your place and don’t step outside of your designated interest box — and it’s no surprise that Mrs. Obama holds these beliefs, but she spent the past eight years mostly keeping this kind of thoughts to herself and it’s kind of surprising that she didn’t find a more weasely way of making this point.

And yesterday she left no doubt that she is fully on-board with the racial and sexual grievances that drive her political party in this day and age. Speaking on Tuesday at the Pennsylvania Conference for Women, she fell back upon an intellectually lazy stereotype of the GOP. While recalling the State of the Union addresses that she attended during her husband’s Presidency, she described the House chambers thusly:

“On one side of the room, it’s literally gray and white. Literally, that’s the color palette on one side of the room,” Obama said. “On the other side of the room, there are yellows and blues and whites and greens. Physically, there’s a difference in color, in the tone. Because one side: all men, all white. On the other side: some women, some people of color.”

At Barack Obama’s final interminably dull and pointless annual droning, the GOP members of the 114th Congress included Senators Lisa Murkowski, Marco Rubio, Joni Ernst, Susan Collins, Deb Fischer, Kelly Ayotte, Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, and Shelly Moore Capito, along with Representatives Martha Roby, Martha McSally, Mimi Walters, Mario Diaz-Balart, Carlos Cubero, Ilena Ros-Lehtinen, Raul Labrador, Jackie Walorsky, Susan Brooks, Lynn Jenkins, Charles Boustany, Ralph Abraham, Candice Miller, Ann Wagner, Vickie Hartzler, Elise Stefanik, Renee Ellmers, Virginia Foxx, Kristi Noem, Diane Black, Marsh Blackburn, Kay Granger, Bill Flores, Mia Love, Barbara Comstock, Cathy McMorris Rogers, and Cynthia Loomis, and Delegate Amata Coleman Ratewagen of America Samoa. Do the Democrats have more women and minorities in their caucus? Certainly. But Mrs. Obama’s observation was factually incorrect and grossly stereotypical, much as if a Republican in her position had claimed that there are no Democrats with military service or private enterprise experience. Earlier this morning, Marco Rubio Tweeted a friendly reminder to Mrs. Obama:

The last week has me reassessing my relatively benign feelings towards Michelle Obama. I guess that a Princeton and Harvard-educated lawyer who went from prestigious job to prestigious job then finally ended up as the First Lady of the wealthiest, most powerful country the world has ever known is incapable of fading quietly into semi-public life in a Washington mansion as her husband rakes in millions of dollars for doing nothing more than rehashing his dreary Presidency for wealthy people who desire his presence. Instead, she has decided to enter into the social justice olympics, making a rather weak showing in her first two competitive events. If that’s the way she wants it, then I hope she’s ready for the pointed criticism that her vapid blathering deserves.

– JVW

173 Responses to “Michelle Obama, Unbound”

  1. she’s an extremely shallow hoochie, even for a first lady

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. Shame Robert Byrd wasn’t around for the post-stemwinder tapas.

    JP (ad360a)

  3. She’ll run for Senate in 2020 from Illinois as Durbin’s designated successor.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  4. OBILLARY!

    [exhume FDR stat!]

    Ben burn (c2b66f)

  5. She always reminds me of a sasquatch sighting.

    mg (31009b)

  6. she doesn’t have the work ethic to be a senator plus she’s the reason they’re shopping for a manhattan penthouse here’s to the ladies who lunch everybody laugh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. Marco showed up for work?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. lil Marco?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. I liked Mark Steyn’s fictional meeting of the Obamas and Queen Elizabeth. Upon seeing Michelle Obama, the Queen thinks to herself, “Oh my, these Yanks’ space program is more advanced than we knew. They captured themselves a real, live Klingon.”

    nk (dbc370)

  10. I think JVH is surpassing Beldars ‘bitter dregs.’ Relax. Trump won the Electoral .

    Ben burn (c2b66f)

  11. Oops JVW..

    Ben burn (c2b66f)

  12. @10. Ben- She didn’t see particularly fond of Washington.

    Sorta like Tillerson.

    Start the clock on a T-Rexit; called into the woodshed this evening; the former CEO of Exxon/Mobil ain’t playin’ nobody’s apprentice.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. ^see = seem

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. Who were the blue and green people she saw on the “good” side of the room? Or is she just saying that the Republicans were blandly dressed?

    Observer (eb35d3)

  15. if you mix blue and green you get bleen

    that’s probably all she meant

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. @15. Maybe glue; sticks w/you longer.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. When she was the food commissar, or dallying in marbella, running interference for book’s takriver if nigeria

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. chicago wants to be obama free

    mg (31009b)

  19. She was worse than Reagan on food fascism.

    Even he knew ketchup could be called a vegetable. Kids live ketchup.

    Ben burn (c2b66f)

  20. lycopenes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. @19. A little hot water and you have some yummy soup. Reaganomics!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  22. Who were the blue and green people she saw on the “good” side of the room? Or is she just saying that the Republicans were blandly dressed?

    I think that it was a fashion comment. Us stale, dopey white guys only wear our grey flannel suits with a red or blue monochrome tie while those hip, hip, multicultural diverse progressive Democrats wear their brightly colored Hillary power suits, kente cloth, ponchos & serapes, kimonos, Indian headdresses, and the like. Except Bernie Sanders, of course.

    JVW (42615e)

  23. But I never cared for the snide remarks about her looks (e.g. Rush’s childish “Moochele”)”

    Not a regular Limbaugh listener, but AFAIK, Rush called her ‘Moochelle’ because of the $300k+ job she was awarded merely for being the wife of a politician. IOW, she was a mooch.

    It had nothing to do with her looks.

    harkin (5db653)

  24. Nothing like a fat slob mandating young kids to starve to death in school

    mg (31009b)

  25. her mom still living in her basement

    mg (31009b)

  26. Will Hurd and Jamie Herrera Beutler have better things to do that night?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  27. She don’t make no kinda sense!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. JVW likes his women like he likes his coffee: cold, black in a big bucket…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. JVW likes his women like he likes his coffee:

    Ground up and in the freezer?

    harkin (5db653)

  30. She was in that racist church too for 20 years, not just him.

    Why anyone would think her anything but a mirror image race pimp, parasite welfare living, cop hating mongrel … well I dunno.

    Clear as day to anyone who knows Leftards what she was evening with her kabuki theatre that she gives hoot about us.

    She don’t and never did.

    KRS One (987b85)

  31. Point being, she sucks. And if we paid attention in 2007/8 it was clear.

    KRS One (987b85)

  32. Well, they really never moved their image all that far from the famous 2008 New Yorker cover.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  33. That cover is beyond accurate.

    Meant to mock the right but proven demonstrably true 9 years later.

    KRS One (987b85)

  34. Not a regular Limbaugh listener, but AFAIK, Rush called her ‘Moochelle’ because of the $300k+ job she was awarded merely for being the wife of a politician. IOW, she was a mooch.

    Yeah, I figured that might be controversial. I used to listen to Rush a great deal, and I think his pronunciation of it was always MOO-shell, as in “moo” like a cow. If he had meant it to be “mooch” as in moocher, he would have pronounced it “MOOCH-el.” Maybe some other Rush listeners will argue that he did indeed pronounce it that way and I respect that opinion, but I always heard it as MOO-shell.

    JVW (42615e)

  35. Neither one will run for office. Obama can’t get the UN top job with all his drone strikes, so he’ll just manage a political slush fund for Soros or Steyer. Michelle will spend the Trump presidency giving speeches to Trump-haters for lots and lots of green. And they’ll spend their evenings gracing NYC cocktail parties until the world is effing tired of them.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  36. The loudmouth moo was the most disgraceful presidents wife in U.S. history with cowbell clinton a close second.

    mg (31009b)

  37. 29… I got my eyes 👀 on you, harkin…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. …women who failed to vote for Hillary Trump voted against their own interests, which is sort of like contending that white men who failed to vote for John McCain or Mitt Romney were equally guilty of sabotaging their own kind.

    I would say you had a valid point except the man she was encouraging women to vote against is a dog who was caught on tape bragging about going around grabbing them by their p’s. Yes, in that circumstance, it is fair for her to say that and no, it is not ” sort of like contending that white men who failed to vote for John McCain or Mitt Romney were equally guilty of sabotaging their own kind.”

    Tillman (a95660)

  39. Considering that it was her husband who really kept Hillary from being the first woman President (it was inevitable that a Democrat would be elected in 2008), I think Mrs. Obama has a lot of chutzpah.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. You know what chutzpah is, right? It’s when someone defecates on your doorstep and knocks on your door and asks you for toilet paper.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. Oops JVW..
    Ben burn (c2b66f) — 10/5/2017 @ 4:54 pm
    Did you mean JCVD?

    For the first time in her adult life she can STFU.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  42. Hot, black and in my lap.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  43. Hot, black and venti (20)?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  44. I would say you had a valid point except the man she was encouraging women to vote against is a dog who was caught on tape bragging about going around grabbing them by their p’s. Yes, in that circumstance, it is fair for her to say that and no, it is not ” sort of like contending that white men who failed to vote for John McCain or Mitt Romney were equally guilty of sabotaging their own kind.”

    Considering that Barack Obama enabled and abetted the ugly rise of campus leftism where we now hear grand tales of “white privilege” and “toxic masculinity” then yeah, I think those white guys who voted for Obama over McCain and Romney were voting against their own interests. And it’s hard to cast Hillary in the White Knight role when she spent a couple of decades trying to undermine the women who brought sexual harassment (and sexual assault) cases against her husband, so she’s a fine one to be leading the anti-p****-grabber brigades.

    JVW (42615e)

  45. The other day I told a girl she looked like black Felicity. Then I told her friend she could be Black Canary. She asked me who Canary was and I said no, Black Canary…never mind.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  46. Like a younger gabrielle union, or tesza Thompson?

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. @46 narciso

    Mostly the glasses but also just the right kind of skinny.

    I don’t know what Michele is on about. Black people are just like you and me. That means I’m just like them. That means when I look out at a room of them I’m looking at myself.

    Pinandpuller (61695b)

  48. I saw a lady standing at a bus stop wearing orange scrubs. She looked like she just escaped county. That’s a job for blue or green.

    Pinandpuller (61695b)

  49. you are blind and deaf if you never noticed her vapid utterances in the last 9 years.

    SD Harms (84960b)

  50. Hat tip Jimi Hendrix…

    Have you ever been (have you ever been) to Michelle LunchLadyland?
    The green pepper strips wait, for you.
    So don’t you be late
    Oh, (I wanna show you), the reduced-fat mayo
    (I wanna run to) the same crap every day-oh
    LunchLady woman waits for you and me
    So it’s time we take a ride,
    we can cast all of your appetites over
    the seaside.
    While we fly right over the jicama sea
    Look up ahead, I see the low-fat ranch drip soon you’ll understand.

    Blow chunks, blow chunks, blow chunks…

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  51. I was thinking of the type, tessa as valkyrie just seems off in asghard.

    Michelle’s dissertation was all about her agita at princetin.

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Teh sourpoose is loose in teh hoose

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  53. 34 JVW – “Maybe some other Rush listeners will argue that he did indeed pronounce it that way and I respect that opinion, but I always heard it as MOO-shell.”

    I did a bit a bit of digging….here’s Rush himself on “Mooch-elle”:

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2010/08/10/referring-to-michelle-obama-as-mooch-elle-limba/169029

    That would seem to be enough clarification to correct the “(e.g. Rush’s childish “Moochele”)” mistake.

    harkin (61a8dc)

  54. I love the chutzpah. Pence making BOLD on returning to the Moon while standing in front of the moth-balled Space Shuttle. Where is replacement? A peek at the Aurora might inspire Americans to dream if Mars….Idiots..

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  55. Absolutely no reference to dairy cows was EVAH intended..

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  56. Greetings:

    Didn’t Mrs. Obama use to have a license to practice law in Illinois ??? Whatever happened to that ???

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  57. She’s still inactive as is Barack. It’s not noteworthy. Lawyers go inactive when a new situation does not allow them to carry on a law practice.

    nk (9651fb)

  58. Well what do you expect…Pence is from the valley of astronauts (Indiana, western Ohio).

    urbanleftbehind (02b4bd)

  59. Pence has a wind-up key under his jacket. He has no impetus of his own volition.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  60. Lawyers go inactive when a new situation does not allow them to carry on a law practice.

    Like investigations or indictments? Or just making millions community organizing for the next racist BLM-NBP-OWS conference/riot? It just seems like so many commie lawyers go inactive. Perhaps their law licenses were never really there to practice law but rather to put them in the right circles and right positions to do the most damage to the Republic. Naaah. They would never do that. Why, they’re officers of the court and above such things. snicker.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  61. When I read the first headline of her speech, I had to go to the source because I just didn’t believe it. It was worse than I thought. She must actually believe it to utter it when it’s so easily disproved!

    //

    Since when did Dems care if a candidate was a “dog”? She took Harvey Weinstein’s money, for one.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  62. Michelle had a solid career at a good law firm. Barack, you’re right about him. He barely practiced.

    nk (9651fb)

  63. I think a substantial incentive for Michelle to take the job at U of C was so that their kids could go to U of C’s Lab school. It’s a big deal.

    nk (9651fb)

  64. “…..as her husband rakes in millions of dollars for doing nothing more than rehashing his dreary Presidency for wealthy people who desire his presence.”

    They couldn’t care less about his presidency or presence. His (slightly diminished) power and wealth stem from his sophisticated voter database.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  65. I was just being snarky, nk. I always felt Michelle was overrated by everyone from the press to the pols. She did nothing for me looks wise, intellectually or socially. She was way out of her league and at her best when she kept her mouth shut. Oh, and as for her fashion sense compared to Melania’s, she had none. But I can say her husband was articulate and had a good crease in his pants.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  66. Upon first learning about both of them, I did a little research into Michelle-checked out her thesis at Princeton. Dealt with the difficulty educated blacks (like Princeton alums) had with maintaining cultural ties to the black community. Impression: probably got into Princeton through AA and what a small mind she has.

    peggy (b0a672)


  67. Impression: probably got into Princeton through AA and what a small mind she has.

    Translation: If not for finding Obummer Ms. LaVaughn Robinson would probably still be shuckin’ and jivin’ the streets of South Side Chicago as a well paid token lawyer for The McGarrigle Law Firm. Ahh, fate.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  68. Enough with the entitled sasquatch

    mg (31009b)

  69. Nothing wrong with marrying well, Hoagie, and not everybody can find a gorgeous blonde who’s heiress to a beer distributrship. 😉

    nk (9651fb)

  70. Speaking of liberals, the Austin, Texas, City Council has renamed Columbus Day as Indigenous Peoples Day.

    DRJ (15874d)

  71. As another Texan was recently quoted as saying, what morons.

    DRJ (15874d)

  72. Indigenous Peoples Day?

    So we are now celebrating people who enslaved each other and were perpetually at war killing each other b/c they had compromised immune systems and a penchant for alcohol abuse?

    Let us be clear, neither side were saints. Just that one side won. And that is the story of mankind.

    But funny enough, we tear down statues of Civil War Losers b/c they had slaves while erecting “monuments” to same who have darker skin?

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  73. Austin’s city council should be taken out and whipped. We have to stop the leftist penchant for cultural suicide. Austin is now what all of Texas will be if good Americans don’t put a stop to this constant self immolation. This leftist idea that if we erase our heritage we can erase the evil white people is destructive to the culture and country. It’s already tearing my family apart. They are turning otherwise normal African Americans into a cult of racist white-haters.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  74. So ol’ P-Grabber has made sure that women are more likely to have to pay for their birth control. (I’m sure if men could get pregnant, this wouldn’t even be a question. Men would absolutely have that covered.)
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/health/trump-birth-control-mandate/index.html

    Tillman (a95660)

  75. This is what is being taught by white teachers from kindergarten to graduate school.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/448059ecc726c46f83aaaa1b6690c8fbf31832f217f5a38330a680355fd51047.jpg?w=600&h=301

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  76. Why on earth wouldn’t women have to pay for their birth control? I guess they shouldn’t pay for their tampons either cause you know, if men had periods…….idiot.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  77. Roagie, if you want to save money – give them birth control. Babies cost a lot more, genius.

    Tillman (a95660)

  78. If we want to save money, sterilize them. It’s not my job to pay for their birth control and it’s not my job to pay for somebody’s baby either. Why is every choice you radical Marxists give force me to pay for someone else? When do they get to pay for themselves?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  79. We don’t let babies starve to death on the street. To me, you’re the radical. Have you no sense of decency whatsoever?

    Tillman (a95660)

  80. It was much easier when most people got married before they had kids, the kids had both parents in the home, and people who had nothing to do with any of them weren’t accused of wishing to starve them if they complained about the situation.

    Personal responsibility is the foundation of civil society. Policies that discourage it are the real indecency.

    harkin (5db653)

  81. 84 – edit: should be “an opposite situation”.

    harkin (5db653)

  82. Hoagie:

    Just an fyi. Bitter negativity is not conducive to physical health.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  83. harkin, Rogie went off the rails talking as if health care is a hand out. For most of us, it’s not. So he should really talk about if the coverage should include birth control. I think it should and I bet most people would agree with that. This isn’t hard.

    Tillman (a95660)

  84. Mandating extraneous expenses as part of the health plan, inflates the premium for this who don’t require said services. So a simple appendectomy can run 17k

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. 88. See 81.

    Tillman (a95660)

  86. Do conservatives understand the concept of shared risks ameliorated by great numbers? Willful stupidity?

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  87. I think insurance is too much like socialism to them Ben.

    Tillman (a95660)

  88. 87 – what I saw was someone accusing him of indecently wishing to starve babies.

    And health care is a hand out if you expect someone else to pay for it.

    It’s real simple, subsidizing poor decisions encourages poor decisions.

    harkin (5db653)

  89. All you commies should head to puerrrrrtoo riiiiiicooooo and make sure the donkey stalls are clean and fluffy

    mg (31009b)

  90. The rollback “basically gives broad license to employers to discriminate against their employees and withhold a benefit guaranteed by law,” said Brigitte Amiri, senior staff attorney at the ACLU.

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/354266-aclu-promises-lawsuit-against-trump-elimination-of-birth-control-mandate

    Educate yourselves conservative inflexibles..

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  91. Can anyone punch through that crust Tillman? Beginning to doubt…

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  92. It was cruellas doing, likely not statute

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. harkin, having sex is not always a poor decision. If you’re so anti-women, make them pay more for their health care so that they can get birth control coverage then. I bet that flies like a lead
    balloon, but go ahead. Just remember, women can vote now.

    I’d like to know what DRJ thinks about this. DRJ and maybe Dana are about the only two around here, aren’t they?

    Tillman (a95660)

  94. This was part and parcel of Sandra flukes mattress tag, subverting Georgetown university’s remaining ethical standards.

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. I’m hoping it does some good Ben. Even Patterico seems a little closer to the center than he used to. So I suppose there is hope.

    Tillman (a95660)

  96. Drj is an independent thinker..Dana less so. But conservatives as a whole are full of stinking thinking.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  97. Yes. Patterico has broken the moldy mold, Tillman. There is hope.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  98. When designing a health plan? One should prioritize certain elements,

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. 102. Having unwanted children should be at the top of that list, no narciso?

    Tillman (a95660)

  100. Planned butcher hood you moronic ingrates, unlike conservatives your disgusting party loves them some baby parts.

    mg (31009b)

  101. chop shop for baby parts at your DNC offices.

    mg (31009b)

  102. Mg: stinky..

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  103. weinstein is mooches and Hillarys silencer

    mg (31009b)

  104. Guess what reduces the number of abortions? Widely available birth control.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  105. In “Waiting for Superman,” the teacher in Boyle Heights was telling the little girl that Native Americans took care of the land, and then the settlers came and ruined the earth.

    The filmmaker put that into the film, with no thought that anyone could disagree with it!

    So this is why we are full of SJWs who despise their country.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  106. “harkin, having sex is not always a poor decision.”

    “If you’re so anti-woman”

    Two more examples of why Trump (a man I refused to vote for) won. Enough voters were so sick of this sort of smear-instead-of-argument they voted against the Dem.

    The crust is on all the ad hominem and straw man arguments. Whip cream may help but I doubt it.

    harkin (5db653)

  107. 108

    Let us knot inject logic into a purely irrational and high-energy emotions about the sanctity of life.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  108. Intelligent family planning is what separates real parents from democrats.

    mg (31009b)

  109. @91/@95. Like breathing. If they could patient air they’d want to profit on every inhale and exhale and charge you– per nostril.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. @112. Don’t apologize for being an accident.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. 113 unpossible. It sounds too much like a tax.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  112. 114- I won’t. Just get the stalls clean, will ya.

    mg (31009b)


  113. 83.We don’t let babies starve to death on the street. To me, you’re the radical. Have you no sense of decency whatsoever?

    So you went from paying $10 a month for birth control to letting “babies starve to death on the streets”. My, aren’t you the big Drama Queen. How about YOU pay for it?


    Just an fyi. Bitter negativity is not conducive to physical health.
    Ben burn (106ab9) — 10/6/2017 @ 12:21 pm

    I am neither bitter nor negative Ben. Stop making every discussion a narrative on other people. Even with my family and health problems I’m a very happy person. Always have been. I just don’t believe it’s Tillmans right or your right to take my money and tell me I have to give it to someone else. Do you? Don’t you believe I deserve to use the money I’ve earned for my own family and not have it stolen under threat and given to another family who did not earn it? We are talking about stealing a working man’s income by force to give it to someone who did not earn it. That’s called theft, Ben. So if we’re going to authorize the government to steal in our name we best make sure we have some sort of moral leg to stand on. That means if we are forced to pay then they have to obey our rules. In other words they will have to work for us to receive our money. Force them to perform “the jobs American don’t want to do” or they won’t get paid.


    94.The rollback “basically gives broad license to employers to discriminate against their employees and withhold a benefit guaranteed by law,” said Brigitte Amiri, senior staff attorney at the ACLU.
    Educate yourselves conservative inflexibles..
    Ben burn (106ab9) — 10/6/2017 @ 12:42 pm

    What exactly would you expect the senior staff attorney for the ACLU to say? You know that’s a lie, I know it and she knows it but it plays better in Peoria if is nasty’ol “discrimination”.


    99.I’m hoping it does some good Ben. Even Patterico seems a little closer to the center than he used to. So I suppose there is hope.
    Tillman (a95660) — 10/6/2017 @ 12:51 pm

    100.Drj is an independent thinker..Dana less so. But conservatives as a whole are full of stinking thinking.
    Ben burn (106ab9) — 10/6/2017 @ 12:52 pm

    101.Yes. Patterico has broken the moldy mold, Tillman. There is hope.
    Ben burn (106ab9) — 10/6/2017 @ 12:53 pm

    I don’t know about anyone else here but when you guys ridicule me and call me “stinky” and “moldy” it convinced me you are right. Nothing says “I’m up for a reasoned discussion” more than name calling. But as usual, that’s all you Marxists have. Yesterday I was a racist now I’m a hateful misogynist because I want to spend my money on my wife not someone else’s.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  114. The left will use and abuse any kid anytime.

    mg (31009b)

  115. BTW, Tillman and Ben. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from taking out and ad offering to pay for people’s birth control. But there is nothing in any sense of what is moral that gives you the right to demand we do.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  116. #119 Just look at Seattle and Carlos Danger plus the ever increasing amount of “Academic” Literature pushing pedophilia as “normal.”

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  117. Weinstein gave millions so the democrats could keep their planned butcher hood shops in operation.

    mg (31009b)

  118. Hoagie: the only way I can answer your screed is to say you’ve conflated yourself with your assumptions about who, exactly Tillman and I were specifically speaking to. Now, unless I addressed my comment directly by naming you, I was addressing Conservatives as a class, not you directly. I hope that much can be crystal clear

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  119. I just don’t understand your concept of morality, hoagie..

    Blighted ovums are miscarried every day at God’s direction. He slaughters those sweet, sweet babies without a backward glance.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  120. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from taking out and ad offering to pay for people’s birth control. But there is nothing in any sense of what is moral that gives you the right to demand we do.

    I have a hard time viewing folks who need a thousand condoms a year as “victims.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  121. Where is the poutrage about blighted ovums?

    Ben burn (106ab9)


  122. 91.I think insurance is too much like socialism to them Ben.
    Tillman (a95660) — 10/6/2017 @ 12:37 pm

    I don’t know what you consider socialism to be, Tillman but insurance is voluntary, socialism is not. That’s why obumblecare wasn’t insurance.


    108.Guess what reduces the number of abortions? Widely available birth control.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 10/6/2017 @ 1:16 pm

    Are you suggesting that if I don’t pay for it birth control become unavailable? I don’t know what planet you live on Dave but widely available birth control has been around since the 60’s and since 1973 there’s been what 58,586,256 or so? Seems nothing is reducing.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  123. @116. Will let you finish your lunch, first.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. @115. Don’t think it hasn’t come up around the bonfire over brandy and marshmellows at Bohemian Grove.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. @126 Here you go: https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/access-to-free-birth-control-reduces-abortion-rates/

    It seems to me that if you actually believe that abortion is murder, then you would do everything in your power to reduce it. If you’re just a fraud like the unlamented former Representative Tim Murphy, perhaps you have other priorities.

    Note that “you” in this post is a general “you”, other that the first one next to my link.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  126. There’s another kind of birth control, one that doesn’t cost anything. It’s called self-control.

    DRJ (15874d)

  127. You get what you pay for.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  128. 130, the fathers of daughters concur, the fathers of sons object

    urbanleftbehind (02b4bd)

  129. and that is the most satisfying, DRJ.

    mg (31009b)

  130. Dave, I understand where you’re coming from with the WU study but in all sincerity it really doesn’t matter. You cannot hold society hostage to pay for something because people won’t use it if it isn’t paid for by someone else. That’s like saying we should buy people cars because more people can access a job if they drive. According to their study (which is after all only one and let’s face it was the result they probably wanted) pregnancy was reduced with free birth control which resulted in a reduction of between 62-76% in abortion. I don’t believe those numbers, do you? 76%? I doubt that. Did they test anything else to reduce pregnancy or just free birth control? Frankly, I would need to see more research and by other organizations before I bet the house on this one.


    It seems to me that if you actually believe that abortion is murder, then you would do everything in your power to reduce it. If you’re just a fraud like the unlamented former Representative Tim Murphy, perhaps you have other priorities.

    Abortion has been codified into law by the radical left and trying to reduce it must include more than free drugs. Pregnancy does not cause abortion, low morals and devaluing life does and no pill can fix that for free or a million dollars.

    You are arguing about a $10 pill when the moral sickness has been instilled so deep in many people they kill their own babies. Think about that Dave. You are arguing to give them a free pill or they will kill their own flesh and blood. There is a lot more at stake here than birth control. It’s called the sanctity of life. At least for one’s own child.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  131. Self-control pays a lot of dividends, Dave, in sex and life.

    DRJ (15874d)

  132. Prayers for the David Malarkey family, a true hero of Easy Company.

    mg (31009b)

  133. Donald Malarkey

    mg (31009b)

  134. Hoagie, I appreciate the reasonable response. Unfortunately, I don’t think abortion is an issue that can be solved, because there is no common ground between the sides.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  135. Tillerson has been a surprise. I hope he can continue..

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/16/rex-tillerson-at-the-breaking-point?currentPage=all

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  136. Tillerson – GTFOH

    mg (31009b)

  137. I think that birth control should be legal.
    I think any slut who wants to sleep around should be allowed to charge a reasonable amount for birth control from her lovers without running afoul of the anti-prostitution laws.
    For the best birth control method for women, I recommend that they take a single aspirin tablet … and hold it between their knees.

    nk (dbc370)

  138. Tillerson isn’t moronic enough for you eh, mg?

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  139. You let NR speak for you?

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  140. @139. Ben, one was a real CEO of a firm with the clout of a nation state on its own. The other played one on TeeVee.

    Guess which is which. And which one ain’t gonna play no apprentice to the other.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. @145. Ben, NR is the ammo dump where the losing side runs to reload in their civil war.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. The left, who went along with the rhodes road shows, who think the framework is sacred, who don’t see problem with doha sponsoring Islamic militias, think any broken crockery is bad.

    narciso (d1f714)

  143. Bannon kicked the lefts azz in 2016 and the beatings will continue through 2020.

    mg (31009b)

  144. “Marlow proposed that, unlike Tillerson, Pompeo “does seem to be a MAGA guy,” fully in tune with President Trump’s agenda.”

    Heh. That’s today..tomorrow is another day in the neighborhood…

    If I had a subordinate who had the huevos to call me a fu>king moron I would give him a lifetime contract.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  145. That’s not out of the ordinary, Schultz who tillerson resembles, want down thevline with all of Reagan’s prioritied

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. I doubt you have any eggs, nuts or money to pay for a lifetime contract.

    mg (31009b)

  147. Does Trump have Tillerson in his personal payroll? BTW..I want to see the bankdraft where Trump actually gives back his paycheck. He is quite forgetful about pledges.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  148. He certainly hasn’t earned his.pay.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  149. There are strong willed figure in the https://mobile.twitter.com/TerrorToday/status/916409607748247554?p=v, unlike the cigar store Indians innthe last one.

    narciso (d1f714)

  150. Well wasn’t there a skater dude that had his foot blown off in central park and also the garbage can bomber?

    urbanleftbehind (02b4bd)

  151. Sgt Schulz ‘I know nothing’?

    Yeah. I remember the flatulent endomorph.

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  152. The former was tarp, accidentally of course, the latter tannerite.

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. 117… I’ve told you before, Hoagie, you can lead mules to water, but you can’t make ’em hydrate.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  154. Guess what reduces the number of abortions? Widely available birth control.

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 10/6/2017 @ 1:16 pm

    So you’re contending birth control is not widely available? You are an unserious fellow.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  155. I’ve said before about him, but do they listen to zathras.

    narciso (d1f714)

  156. Speaking of liberals, the Austin, Texas, City Council has renamed Columbus Day as Indigenous Peoples Day.

    DRJ (15874d) — 10/6/2017 @ 11:16 am

    Great music scene and restaurants there but the place sure seems to be riddled with idiots.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  157. The disingenuous misers would have us believe that’s their core objection…

    More Lies..

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  158. While were in that general moral dead zine…what exactly harms y’all when same sexes marry? Did you think they want you to pay for the license?

    Ben burn (106ab9)

  159. @163 Here you go: https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/access-to-free-birth-control-reduces-abortion-rates/

    It seems to me that if you actually believe that abortion is murder, then you would do everything in your power to reduce it. If you’re just a fraud like the unlamented former Representative Tim Murphy, perhaps you have other priorities.

    Note that “you” in this post is a general “you”, other that the first one next to my link.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  160. The above post may be a re-run.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  161. PARDON the source…t least these are “real” Dutch, hide the birth control, I want to see a honeymoon baby followed by a 10 month baby: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59d6930de4b046f5ad9705e0?ncid=APPLENEWS00001

    urbanleftbehind (02b4bd)

  162. The normal leftist view.

    http://moonbattery.com/graphics/everything.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

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