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9/12/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:24 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items to talk about. Feel free to share anything that might be of interest to readers. Please make sure to include links.

First news item

Very good news:

President Donald Trump said Friday that Israel and Bahrain have agreed to the “establishment of full diplomatic relations,” marking the second time in a month an Arab Gulf nation has announced new ties with the Jewish state and further reshaping alliances in the Middle East…Unveiling the new agreement from the Oval Office, Trump cast the move as a step toward peace in the region. He has worked to broker accords between Arab nations and Israel that he hopes will lead to a broader peace deal…The announcement came less than a week ahead of a White House signing ceremony between Israel and the United Arab Emirates that will bring Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Emirati officials to Washington.

Second news item

Belligerent bullies ball up their tiny fists in rage:

David Peterson is an art professor at Skidmore College, a private liberal arts college in Saratoga Springs, New York. In late July, the professor and his wife, Andrea Peterson, attended a “Back the Blue” rally—not as supporters of the cause, they say, but as curious spectators.

“Given the painful events that continue to unfold across this nation, I guess we just felt compelled to see first-hand how all of this was playing out in our own community,” he later told the student newspaper.

But unbeknownst to Peterson, the couple’s attendance at the rally was noticed. Now Skidmore students are demanding that both Peterson be fired for “engaging in hateful conduct that threatens Black Skidmore students,” according to Times-Union columnist Chris Churchill, who wrote about the controversy.

Third news item

We are done asking. This is a demand:

Support and encourage Departments to make cluster hires of Black and other faculty of color…Create benchmarks for departments to follow through on President Pollack’s call, issued earlier this summer, to “embed anti-racism” in the full spectrum of Cornell activities…Pair anti-sexist and anti-racist policies to address white and/or male domination of department chair positions and other administrative structures…Hire more BIPOC staff members in the next round of hires…Embed decolonized readings in every possible course at Cornell, including but not necessarily limited to the social sciences and humanities…Adopt a holistic and interdisciplinary approach to incorporating the voices of BIPOC scholars in every area of study, within and beyond the humanities and social sciences…Abolish colorblind recruitment policies and practices in partner/spousal hiring and replace them with intentionally anti-racist policies and practices.

[Ed. Otherizing: To the perfect BIPOC academic with a non-BIPOC spouse, your kind isn’t welcome here…]

Fourth news item

Nebraska:

Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts will end nearly all of his state’s social-distancing restrictions on Monday even as the number of new coronavirus cases has trended upward over the last few months…The new rules will still limit the size of large indoor gatherings, such as concerts, meeting halls and theaters, but will drop all other state-imposed mandates in favor of voluntary guidelines, as other conservative states have done…State officials said they made the decision based on the availability of hospital beds and ventilators, in keeping with the Republican governor’s goal of not overwhelming medical facilities.

Fifth news item

Disney’s disgrace:

In the credits of Disney’s new Mulan movie, the company offers a special thanks to four Chinese Communist Party propaganda departments and a public security bureau in the region of Xinjiang where more than a million Muslims, mostly of the Uyghur minority, have been imprisoned in concentration camps…Disney recently revealed that some scenes in the live action remake of its 1998 animated film, which was released on its Disney+ streaming platform over the weekend, were filmed in the region.

More:

“By filming the movie in Turpan, East Turkistan, where there are possibly hundreds of thousands of Uyghurs being detained in concentration camps and prisons, Disney is not only helping promote Chinese government propaganda but it is also helping the CCP whitewash the genocide faced by Uyghurs and demonizing the Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples of East Turkistan as “barbarians” and as enemies of China and the Chinese people.”

The spokesperson then emphasized that to get to the area where the filming took place, the Disney crew would have passed “several concentration camps,” some of which are visible from the highway. The ETNAM estimates that in some villages in Turpan, up to 80 percent of the Uyghur population has been detained.

Don’t let this living hell trouble you, Disney:

Sayragul Sauytbay, [an ethnic Kazakh woman who fled China’s notorious internment camps] describes being forced to witness a gang rape while at the camp. A young woman, she says, was forced to disrobe after being forced to “confess” her sins in front of around 200 prisoners. The young woman was then raped by several police officers, Sauytbay said.

“While they were raping her they checked to see how we were reacting. People who turned their head or closed their eyes, and those who looked angry or shocked, were taken away and we never saw them again.”

Tell us how much you care, Disney

Sixth news item

Seventh news item

Pressure pushing down on me, pressing down on you, under pressure:

Federal prosecutor Nora Dannehy, a top aide to U.S. Attorney John H. Durham in his Russia investigation, has quietly resigned — at least partly out of concern that the investigative team is being pressed for political reasons to produce a report before its work is done, colleagues said.

Dannehy, a highly regarded prosecutor who has worked with or for Durham for decades, informed colleagues in the U.S. Attorney’s office in New Haven of her resignation from the Department of Justice by email Thursday evening. The short email was a brief farewell message and said nothing about political pressure, her work for Durham or what the Durham team has produced, according to people who received it.

Colleagues said Dannehy is not a supporter of President Trump and has been concerned in recent weeks by what she believed was pressure from Barr, who appointed Durham, to produce results before the election. They said she has been considering resigning for weeks, conflicted by loyalty to Durham and concern about politics.

Eighth news item

Downplay the Virus – a Team Trump Production:

U.S. health department spokesperson Michael Caputo and his aides asked for the right to read and suggest changes to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s weekly COVID-19 reports, Politico reported, citing emails and three people familiar with the matter.

Communications aides from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services complained to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other officials that the agency’s reports would undermine President Donald Trump’s optimistic messaging about the pandemic, according to the report.

CDC employees pushed back against changes but have increasingly agreed to allow political appointees review the virus reports, and have agreed to amend language in some cases, Politico said.

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

263 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Infectious disease specialists, doctors at hospitals and clinics, have stopped going to CDC for information and support for several months now. They don’t trust it.

    nk (1d9030)

  3. The ones who deemed protests because ‘racism worse than the virus’ those experts like feely ferguson.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  4. Abolish colorblind recruitment policies and practices in partner/spousal hiring and replace them with intentionally anti-racist policies and practices.

    This might be half-right. I read a pretty fascinating article in The Chronicle of Higher Education some years (must have been 7 or 8) back about the pitfalls that colleges have to negotiate when a hot-shot academic star comes as a package deal with his or her spouse. The article was interesting to me because I actually knew one of the couples that was profiled. In this era where so many power pairs meet in graduate school, this comes up with some regularity: an elite university is desperate to hire, let’s say, a highly-regarded biology professor who is doing cutting-edge research, but she makes it clear that in order to land her they also need to find a tenure-track position for her husband the relatively unheralded political scientist. Imagine being the chair of the political science department and being pressured by the dean and provost to offer your open faculty position to this guy so that the biology department can close the deal with his wife.

    Of course that’s really no different than what BLM is demanding, which is that the dean and provost pressure the department chair (who is likely simpatico with the agenda anyway) into hiring a “person of color, but not an Asian.”

    JVW (ee64e4)

  5. The Dannehy resignation seems to have finally put the Durham probe in the national spotlight. Now, maybe curious readers of the NYT and WaPo might research alternate media and discover who Clinesmith is.

    beer ‘n pretzels (51a78d)

  6. https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=15663

    I know man on the street interview segments look for the worst examples, but this is brutal. What are our school systems teaching the next generation about what happened on 9/11?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  7. https://www.thecollegefix.com/university-to-remove-world-war-ii-murals-because-they-show-too-many-white-people/

    Indoctrination 101. Can’t teach history anymore. It’s too white.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  8. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/09/11/proscience-pelosi-blames-mother-earth-for-fires-n2576025

    The left doesn’t worship God, but they love replacing God with other, made up ones.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  9. …an elite university is desperate to hire, let’s say, a highly-regarded biology professor who is doing cutting-edge research, but she makes it clear that in order to land her they also need to find a tenure-track position for her husband the relatively unheralded political scientist. Imagine being the chair of the political science department and being pressured by the dean and provost to offer your open faculty position to this guy so that the biology department can close the deal with his wife.

    But is that really the same as simply not wanting to hire a BIPOC scholar because their spouse is white? Here is the full para:

    LT8. Abolish colorblind recruitment policies and practices in partner/spousal hiring and replace them with intentionally anti-racist policies and practices. In particular: a) offer partner/spousal hires to all BIPOC faculty, including assistant professors; b) create a centralized funding pool for partner/spousal hires instead of taking lines from departments; c) make data on racial demographics of partner/spousal hires publicly available; d) provide housing assistance to faculty as is done at Cornell’s peer-institutions.

    Dana (292df6)

  10. In any other administration, the story of the president’s lawyer consorting with a Russian spy would have been a mid-sized to major scandal. In Bizarro TrumpWorld, it’s just another Thursday.

    Yesterday, the Treasury Department officially labeled Andriy Derkach “an active Russian agent for over a decade, maintaining close connections with the Russian Intelligence Services.” The only person who even claims to find this remotely surprising is Rudy Giuliani, who has been working hand in glove with Derkach for months.
    There is an old Simpsons episode in which Homer Simpson, watching a spy movie, blurts out, “I think that guy’s a spy!” His irritated wife whispers back, “Of course he’s a spy. You just saw him go through spy school!” This exchange is worth bearing in mind as you read Giuliani’s response to the “revelation.”
    Reached by the New York Times, Giuliani pleads ignorance:
    Mr. Giuliani said in an interview Thursday night that he “felt comfortable” meeting with Mr. Derkach “because there were no sanctions against him” at the time. While he acknowledged that he “didn’t do much investigation” of Mr. Derkach, Mr. Giuliani said: “I have no reason to believe he is a Russian agent. There is nothing I saw that said he was a Russian agent. There is nothing he gave me that seemed to come from Russia at all.” But he added, “How the hell would I know?”

    Giuliani’s reason for not suspecting Derkach as a Russian agent is that he didn’t tell him he was a Russian agent. I am not an espionage expert, but I have watched enough spy shows to know that one of the basic practices of foreign agents is not to announce that they are foreign agents. If you have ever watched The Americans, you will notice that Phillip and Elizabeth Jennings do not go around wearing furry Russian hats and handing out KGB business cards. It’s basic tradecraft.
    Now, the fact that Derkach was advancing Russian interests was hardly a secret. He had previously belonged to the Party of Regions. That’s the pro-Russian Ukrainian party that had been financed by Russia, and whose campaign had been managed by Paul Manafort in 2010. If Giuliani had any suspicions in his mind, he could have done a Google search and turned up the fact that Derkach has been closely aligned with pro-Russian figures in Ukraine and attended the Dzerzhinsky Higher School of the KGB in Moscow.
    You just saw him go through spy school!

    Bottom line, Rudy has been willingly peddling Putin propaganda from sketchy pro-Russian characters in order to take down Biden. The real story isn’t about the Hunter/Joe dealings in Ukraine, it’s about the cabal of sleazoid characters on the other side, including Trump, Giuliani, John Solomon, Firtash, Parnas, Fruman, Shokin, Lutsenko, DiGenova-Toensing, Derkach, and Nunes.

    Paul Montagu (ad6b35)

  11. But unbeknownst to Peterson, the couple’s attendance at the rally was noticed. Now Skidmore students are demanding that both Peterson be fired for “engaging in hateful conduct that threatens Black Skidmore students,” according to Times-Union columnist Chris Churchill, who wrote about the controversy.

    These aren’t “students,” they’re children and should be treated as such. Not only should Skidmore not fire Prof. Peterson, but their explanation for not doing so ought to state in no uncertain terms that those calling for his firing have fallen woefully short in the pursuit of rational thought and an understanding of the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution, and that Skidmore can no longer in good conscience let them continue as students until they take and pass the courses PL 311 – Constitutional Law and PL 314 – Civil Liberties (though I fear there is a better-than-even chance that those two courses are nothing but leftist claptrap anyway).

    Perhaps they should be required to take similar courses offered by Hillsdale.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  12. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-sturgis-statistical-misfire-11599694411

    That terrible economic article that claimed Sturgis was to blame for half a million cases of Coronavirus has been thoroughly debunked in several places. Here’s one.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  13. But is that really the same as simply not wanting to hire a BIPOC scholar because their spouse is white? Here is the full para:

    ¡Ay, Dios mio! It’s even worse than I realized. These children are absolutely hopeless.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  14. Disney encapsulates everything that is wrong with leftist culture these days. And Disney is everywhere…

    Can’t wait for Biden to get elected and whitewash any criticism of China. Just Russia!Russia!Russia!

    Under Biden and the Democrats, we will become the westernmost province of China.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  15. “The left doesn’t worship God”

    https://i.imgur.com/LNNBfFt.jpg

    Davethulhu (a609dc)

  16. Imagine being the chair of the political science department and being pressured by the dean and provost to offer your open faculty position to this guy so that the biology department can close the deal with his wife.

    At least at UC, these spousal/partner hires aren’t counted against the number of positions in the second department, so the PoliSci chair would likely be enthusiastic.

    It would be the Chair of the Biology Department getting his/her Dean to convince the Provost or Vice-Provost to create the PoliSci position (since this is standard procedure in academia, there are resources set aside for it). The PoliSci department would still need to sign off on the spouse/partner’s qualifications, but these appointments are “free” to the second department.

    Dave (1bb933)

  17. The PoliSci department would still need to sign off on the spouse/partner’s qualifications, but these appointments are “free” to the second department.

    Interesting. Would the second position be a tenure-track position, and then if any when either spouse retires, would the position just go away?

    JVW (ee64e4)

  18. This is your Chicago. Let a felon walk and watch him murder.

    This is your Trump supporter. Enlist him in the Air Force and watch him murder.
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-16/suspects-charged-killing-santa-cruz-cop-and-oakland-federal-officer

    The left doesn’t worship God, but they love replacing God with other, made up ones.

    Paula White. Jerry Falwell. Becki Falwell. Trump.
    Don’t tell me you need links for that.

    nk (1d9030)

  19. This electoral map doesn’t look good for Trump. As of today, and not counting Arizona and its 11 electoral votes despite Trump losing by an average of 4.8%, Biden has 278 electoral votes, which is more than the 270 needed to win. Polls change, but unless Trump can win a couple of debates or if Biden makes some major stumbles, Trump will lose. Hopefully, GOP can hold its majority in the Senate so we can keep our government divided.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  20. don’t worry about it montagu, you will get yours, like the heads of the sirius cybernetic corporation,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  21. @18: BTW, Mulan is awful. I don’t know what the target audience is. It’s too scary and violent for little kids like mine, and anyone older isn’t generally interested in a Disney princess movie. Maybe the target audience is China.

    beer ‘n pretzels (51a78d)

  22. Interesting. Would the second position be a tenure-track position, and then if any when either spouse retires, would the position just go away?

    UCI doesn’t really have faculty positions that aren’t tenure-track. There are contracted lecturers that are essentially casual employees, and offering a position like that wouldn’t really be much of an incentive. It’s theoretically possible, I guess.

    There are also “teaching professors” who are expected to do pedagogy and education research rather than research in the subject field, but they’re tenure track and have parallel career tracks to research faculty.

    So yes, the faculty ranks don’t have the concept of second-class citizens, and a spousal/partner hire would not receive different treatment. Once hired they would play by the same rules as anybody else with the same job title.

    As for the position itself, it would not automatically be refilled unless the Dean allocated a “normal” appointment to replace it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  23. nk with the false equivalencies. Used to be better than that. Too bad.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  24. As an open thread, a couple of other items to consider.

    First the spread of false claims in Oregon that antifa is the reason for the fires burning down the state:

    https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/09/rumors-about-antifa-wildfires-in-oregon-are-false-law-enforcement-says.html

    Second

    The decision (4/3 on a partisan vote) by the Wisconsin Supreme Court to hold up mailing of absentee ballots in defense of a futile attempt by the Green Party to get on the ballot, making ballot printing deadlines difficult to meet:

    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/09/the-greenest-ratfucking

    On Thursday afternoon, by a 4–3 vote divided along partisan lines, the court issued a strange, cryptic order that could throw the election into chaos. The conservative majority directed the Wisconsin Elections Commission to turn over a massive amount of information it did not actually have. These justices then halted the mailing of more absentee ballots while they consider nullifying every ballot that has been printed or mailed and forcing the state to start over. Their stunning eleventh-hour intervention could force election officials into an impossible position: either comply with the court’s order or violate both state and federal law.

    The latest trouble in Wisconsin centers on Green Party candidates Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker. To get on the ballot, Hawkins and Walker were required to submit 2,000 valid signatures. But the paperwork they filed had a problem: Many signature sheets included an address, a motel in South Carolina, that was different from the one that Walker listed in her sworn declaration of candidacy. Walker had an opportunity to explain this discrepancy but declined. In accordance with state law, the Wisconsin Elections Commission rejected the signatures collected under the wrong address. That left Walker with fewer than the required 2,000 signatures, so the commission declined to place the Green Party ticket on the ballot. Hawkins and Walker waited two weeks—the critical period during which clerks printed and began mailing ballots—before asking the Wisconsin Supreme Court to force their names onto the ballot anyway.

    A responsible court would have rejected this challenge for two reasons: Hawkins and Walker waited an unreasonably long time to bring it, and it has no plausible legal basis. But instead of dismissing the case, the infamously irresponsible court ordered the commission to reveal who has requested absentee ballots, who has been mailed a ballot already, and when these ballots were mailed. It also demanded to know who requested the ballots to be printed, implying the existence of some conspiracy to rush them out. In the meantime, the conservative majority effectively shut down the state’s election machinery, suspending the printing of more absentee ballots. Its order suggests that four justices are seriously considering a decision in favor of the Green Party. Such a ruling would compel the state to throw out every existing ballot and begin the entire, grueling, monthslong process anew.

    As noted by one of the commenters on the blog:

    The decision is more then cryptic — it is impossible to comply with. It ordered the information to be produced on the same day the order was entered at 5:00pm. In other words the Commission seemed to get all of six or eight hours max to collect this information from 1,850 clerks and deliver it to the supreme court in a “readable and understandable format.” The deadline seems designed to ensure failure; presumably what comes next is the Commission is held in contempt, or their failure to produce on time is held against them in whatever merits decision is forthcoming.

    Victor (661f31)

  25. https://twitter.com/JeffreyGoldberg/status/1304507822214967297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Everyone’s favorite loony leftist shows how deep he’s gone down the TeeDeeSss well supporting this latest screed.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  26. They are really holding the gom jabbar at graemes throat.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  27. Disney.

    Free market.

    Capitalism.

    Now you know why in Hollywood, the global conglomerate that labels itself ‘the happiest place on Earth’ is known as ‘Mousewitz.’

    Reaganomics. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. ‘The spokesperson then emphasized that to get to the area where the filming took place, the Disney crew would have passed “several concentration camps,” some of which are visible from the highway.’

    And Ronnie placed a wreath at Bitburg.

    SS-well.

    Reaganoptics. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Neither false nor an equivalency. Ordinarily, I would not respond to every squirrel, but the Trumpkins have dialed up the lies and stirring of hate to eleventy and we cannot let them jam our frequencies with their mindless chatter.

    nk (1d9030)

  30. How cracked is your mirror, its full of hawaiian shirts.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  31. @35. Trumpkins have dialed up the lies and stirring of hate to eleventy and we cannot let them jam our frequencies with their mindless chatter.

    Trump gets a second nomination for Nobel Peace Prize after Serbia-Kosovo deal.

    Ratings; ‘video killed the radio star.’ Stay tuned. 😉

    “And the hits just keep on coming.” – Dan Kaffee [Tom Cruise] ‘A Few Good Men’ 1992

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. But was he able to get a second helping of chocolate mousse cake?

    nk (1d9030)

  33. The 2020 Nobel Peace Prize will be announced on October 9, 2020. Trump will not get it. There will be weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth, but best of all there will be the cessation of the blather about the “nominations”.

    nk (1d9030)

  34. They actually gave it to a worthy candidate this year, they wont make that same mistake again.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  35. Hmmm.

    BREAKING: Gov. Newsom signs law allowing inmate firefighters in California to have records expunged, clearing the way for them to become professional firefighters once they are released from prison.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  36. After Social Media Post Raises Questions, GOP State Senator Defends QAnon Conspiracy Theory
    ……..
    Sen. Eric Berthel (R-Watertown) confirmed Friday that both the car with his legislative license plate and the sticker reading #WWG1WGA are his. And while he distanced himself from some of the more extreme theories associated with the QAnon movement, he nevertheless defended QAnon’s messaging — arguing that it has inspired more people to participate in policy and government.

    “I don’t believe in many of the wild eyed theories reportedly associated with the QAnon movement about pedophile conspiracies or satanic cults,” Berthel said in a statement to Connecticut Public Radio. “However, stopping corruption in politics, holding government accountable and protecting individual freedoms are values I do believe in which the movement has come to represent. Like many movements occurring across our nation today, I think it has allowed for people who have previously felt disconnected from public policy and government to be part of the conversation.”
    ……..

    Jeff Desmarais is a Democrat running against Berthel November.

    “I think this is signaling to his far-right supporters that he’s one of them. It’s a secret handshake type thing,” he said. “QAnon is not about holding government accountable. That’s not what it’s about. No rudimentary investigation into what QAnon is about will tell you that’s what it is. It’s a far right wing, over the edge conspiracy theory group…This is something where you’re taking gutter politics, gutter discussion, poisonous stuff and promoting it as an elected official with your elected official’s license plate — to me, as I said, that’s disqualifying for public service.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (c6e6c8)

  37. @41-
    This a good thing, though it’s not any help now, As it won’t be effective until January. Inmate firefighters have learned a valuable skill and should be able to use once released from custody. Inmates who serve in the fire camps are all minimum security prisoners with clean disciplinary records. And persons convicted of violent felonies, including murder, kidnapping and sex offenses are ineligible to fight fires as inmates and therefore also excluded from applying to have their records cleared.

    Rip Murdock (c6e6c8)

  38. I can see both sides to it, Rip. It’s a good thing that felons have a place to work, but those jobs would not be available to qualified folks who didn’t break the law.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  39. @39.What he really wanted– and still wants- is an Emmy.

    They’re awarded September 20. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/10/left-wing-agitator-arrested-for-starting-fire-in-washington-suspected-of-starting-two-other-wildfires/

    Move on. Nothing to see here. Move on. There’s some right wing radical somewhere saying something mean.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  41. Maybe the target audience is China.
    beer ‘n pretzels (51a78d) — 9/12/2020 @ 9:50 am

    Yup. Disney, along with its close pal the NBA, cares more about China than America. More about profit than human rights.

    That is the corporate left at work.

    You can here the screaming from the Disney corporate offices when Trump tries to bring back jobs from China, or lower the numbers of H1B visa holders.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  42. Move on. Nothing to see here. Move on. There’s some right wing radical somewhere saying something mean.
    NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/12/2020 @ 11:31 am

    Fiery but peaceful.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  43. Mr. French:

    We will debate for years why the world’s wealthiest and most powerful nation, a nation chock-full of many of the best doctors and hospitals in the world, experienced such a disproportionately staggering death toll. But here’s one reason: A man who millions of people trust and who sets the tone for communications from massive right-wing news outlets and for massive right-wing celebrities told a series of lies. Those lies were transmitted and believed. People acted on those lies.
    If you know anything about the right-wing media-entertainment complex, you know that many of its leading lights don’t just reject mainstream media or progressive critique. They thrive on it. They relish it. If these folks have a unifying ethos surrounding leftist attacks, it’s the silly sentence, “If you’re taking flak, it means you’re over the target.”
    No, it can also mean you’re wrong—sometimes seriously wrong.
    In fact, the celebrities of right-wing media are often so powerful within their own institutions that arguably the only person who can influence or check their public speech is the one man their audience loves more than them, President Trump. Yet make no mistake, as the president downplayed the virus for weeks, many of his champions carried that rhetorical torch with glee.
    […]
    I’ve spoken to too many people in my neighborhood, church, and community who absorbed the president’s words, heard their favorite figures in the conservative media, and believed them—even to the point where when the president pivoted and began to acknowledge the full dimensions of the crisis, many of those folks believed that the president’s pivot was artificial, a product of Dr. Fauci’s nefarious influence and not a product of undeniable and deadly facts.
    To condemn the president’s deception is not to defend the deceptions, mistakes, and bad faith of other actors in this national drama. Bill de Blasio, for example, deserves an entire wing in the coronavirus hall of shame. Conflicting early masking guidance and the obvious politicization of public health in response to Black Lives Matter protests also helped damage public trust and confidence. In any crisis so pervasive, there is often blame to go around.
    And yes, I’ve seen folks in the conservative media—including friends of mine—argue that if the president had been sounding the alarm accurately and consistently that he would have faced immediate pushback from the Democrats and the media. I agree that the reality of negative polarization means that there are too many people who oppose anything Trump says simply because Trump said it. But that does not relieve the president of the obligation to tell the truth.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  44. End the Nobel Peace Prize
    Overall the NPP is a joke. Its recipients are generally those who have made an attempt (but failed), or no attempt at all, to achieve peace:

    By now the contradictions of the peace prize should be apparent. Is it given for peace, or for rumors of peace? Do you deserve a prize for maintaining despots, as long as the despots are part of a stable network? Is it given for accidentally wrecking a great military—or only if the destruction is intentional? What if you do all the right things, but you are a boor, or an alleged rapist? To these questions one might add a counsel of humility: If you have given the prize to enablers of genocide, kleptocrats, serial fabricators, and AIDS conspiracists, maybe you should sit out the next few rounds.

    I didn’t understand why two small Gulf autocracies establishing relations with Israel is such a big deal (except to Trump and his supporters). Neither are front line states or are in armed conflict with Israel. It doesn’t really change the balance of power vis a vis Israel, the real target is Iran.

    Now Trump would deserve the prize if it was Saudi Arabia or Syria, or if the Koreas reunited. But that would require quiet and sustained, and not parachute, diplomacy.

    Rip Murdock (c6e6c8)

  45. EXCLUSIVE: Trump administration secretly withheld millions from FDNY 9/11 health program
    The Trump administration has secretly siphoned nearly $4 million away from a program that tracks and treats FDNY firefighters and medics suffering from 9/11 related illnesses, the Daily News has learned.

    The Treasury Department mysteriously started withholding parts of payments — nearly four years ago — meant to cover medical services for firefighters, emergency medical technicians and paramedics treated by the FDNY World Trade Center Health Program, documents obtained by The News reveal.

    The payments were authorized and made by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, which oversees the program. But instead of sending the funds to the city, the Treasury started keeping some of the money.
    ………..
    Update:
    Trump administration admits defunding FDNY’s 9/11 healthcare program
    The Trump administration admitted Friday to stripping millions of dollars from an FDNY fund that foots healthcare bills for 9/11 survivors and promised to try to put an end to the heartless practice.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (c6e6c8)

  46. 16. I used to think “fake but accurate” was the exclusive domain of the left, but I see it more and more from the Trump haters as well.

    Gryph (f63000)

  47. This live action Mulan thingy looked like a copycat of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon without the rapey abduction plotline.

    Also, Netflix has doesnt just have the scourge of Cuties to deal with. The network seems to have a recent fascination with focusing in on well to do Southern families and making a hash of their social structure and norms: Outer Banks, Sweet Magnolias, and Teenage Bounty Hunters.

    urbanleftbehind (b94bee)

  48. Facebook fails to take down page of violent Rose City Antifa group
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8724375/Facebook-fails-remove-page-violent-Rose-City-Antifa-Portland-based-group-23-000-members.html

    A Facebook page run by the violent Rose City Antifa group based in Portland is still up and running on the social media platform despite a pledge by CEO Mark Zuckerberg last month to clamp down on such extremist organizations.

    In August, the social media giant outlined specific ways in how it planned to take action against movements and organizations linked to violence and set about removing far-left groups associated with violence, yet the Rose City Antifa group is still up and running on the website which has billions of users.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43)

  49. While the Panic Brigades claim the west is burning down and the Green New Deal is touted as the only viable solution, media ignores the complete mismanagement of the forest and spending more on more on putting fires out and less and less on prevention by thinning fuel, the historically proven method.

    “ Before 1999, Cal Fire never spent more than $100 million a year. In 2007-08, it spent $524 million. In 2017-18, $773 million. Could this be Cal Fire’s first $1 billion season? Too early to tell, but don’t count it out…..

    …… The median compensation package — including base pay, special pay, overtime and benefits — for full time Cal Fire firefighters of all categories is more than $148,000 a year.

    The only real path toward meaningful change looks politically impossible. Goulette said we need to scrap the system and rethink what we could do with Cal Fire’s annual budget: Is this really the best thing we could do with several billion dollars to be more resistant to wildfire? Goulette knows this suggestion is so laughably distasteful and naive to those in power that uttering it as the director of a nonprofit like the Watershed Research and Training Center gets you kicked out of the room.

    They Know How to Prevent Megafires. Why Won’t Anybody Listen?

    https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen/amp
    __ _

    “In 2014, the King Fire hit this unnaturally overgrown forest, leaping into the canopy and racing across a vast landscape. Limited patches of high-intensity fire would be natural in these forests. But in 47 percent of the 97,717 acres burned in the King Fire, the blaze was so hot that it killed nearly all of the trees. This included 14 areas where rare California spotted owls were known to nest. Before people started suppressing fires, this kind of all-consuming blaze did not happen in this type of forest, according to tree-ring studies. “We have seen no evidence you could ever have gotten a mortality patch this big,” Collins says.“

    What fire researchers learned from California’s blazes

    https://www.hcn.org/issues/49.21/wildfire-what-fire-researchers-learned-from-northern-california-blazes”
    _

    I guess it’s easier to say The World Is Burning, Vote Dem!’
    _

    harkin (09d352)

  50. Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson sues Multnomah County DA Mike Schmidt in federal court

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/patriot-prayer-leader-sues-multnomah-county-da-mike-schmidt-in-federal-court.html

    Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson and supporter Russell Schultz, who both face pending riot charges in Multnomah County, on Friday filed a federal lawsuit against the county’s district attorney, alleging selective prosecution based on political beliefs.

    The suit accuses District Attorney Mike Schmidt of engaging in unfair prosecution by refusing to dismiss a sole felony riot allegation against both Gibson and Schultz in light of his new office policy. Schmidt announced last month that his office wouldn’t pursue riot charges against people involved in recent Portland protests without an accompanying allegation of specific property damage or use of force.

    Selective prosecution has become the Left’s favorite tool.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43)

  51. a balanced look at things,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgkeHk5bHqQ

    it’s nordic borat

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  52. “Trumpkins have dialed up the lies and stirring of hate to eleventy”

    All those Trump support riots are truly a thing to behold…..oh wait.
    _

    harkin (09d352)

  53. “ Selective prosecution has become the Left’s favorite tool.”
    __

    Crotaigh
    @Imbolc22
    ·
    why is anyone a cop in portland? they get fireworks, bottles of paint and piss, molotov cocktails, and ball bearings thrown at them every night. the DA, mike schmidt, lets all antifa go immediately, and now the mayor abandons them.

    _

    It was under Schmidt’s policy, however, that Michael Reinoehl, the alleged shooter in the death of a conservative man in Portland, had his citation for “possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police” at a riot in July dropped by the DA’s office. Reinoehl served no jail time.

    While some in the Portland Police Bureau have questioned and pushed back on the policy, pointing out that it could be “interpreted as condoning violence,” Schmidt stood by it, claiming that officers should continue to arrest people, but that he would only prosecute them if “egregious circumstances” prevailed.

    “I understand what they’re concerned about. But at the same time, they have their job and their duties, and that means that they will make an arrest when they see that the law’s been broken. And then I have my job and my duties, which is to have the discretion on whether or not to pursue charges,” said Schmidt.“

    Portland’s Anti-Cop District Attorney Isn’t Progressive, He Is Pro-Violence

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/09/portlands-anti-cop-district-attorney-isnt-progressive-he-is-pro-violence/
    _

    harkin (09d352)

  54. California is in a screwed-up state with or without CoViD, and they have the enviro-whackos to thank for it. If you want carbon-neutral electrical generation, your only two realistic options are hydro power or nuclear, both of which have their own issues, problems, and trade-offs. Wind and solar are appropriate when used as supplemental sources, but they can’t be depended on as backups or — God forbid — main-source power. That is just asking for a disaster. And here we are.

    Gryph (f63000)

  55. it’s why the industrial revolution came into being, when we only had a fraction of the population, now it makes even less sense,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  56. I can see both sides to it, Rip. It’s a good thing that felons have a place to work, but those jobs would not be available to qualified folks who didn’t break the law.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a) — 9/12/2020 @ 11:24 am

    I can too. These are minimum security inmates with clean disciplinary records who have learned a valuable skillset from which California can clearly benefit. I’m open to them being allowed to apply for the open jobs and if they meet the qualifications, the hiring departments can base their decision on the merits of the applicants.

    Dana (292df6)

  57. Cops arrest four for arson – including man who LIVE STREAMED fire he is accused of starting – as death toll from wildfires climbs to 29 and Oregon officials warn of ‘mass fatality event’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8721359/Evacuate-Wildfires-grow-Oregon-500K-flee.html

    Four people have been arrested for arson for deliberately starting blazes along the West Coast including one man who livestreamed the encounter on social media as the death toll from the devastating wildfires climbed to 29 and Oregon officials warned they are preparing for a ‘mass fatality event’.

    One commenter: “Oh hey look they arrested climate change.”

    beer ‘n pretzels (7e7b43)

  58. its the totality of the events, downgrading sex offenders even making aids transmission not a crime, there is something seriously wrong in your state, and we don’t want it to spread here,

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/12/adam-schiff-brian-murphy-whistleblower/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  59. @47. Yup. Disney, along with its close pal the NBA, cares more about China than America. More about profit than human rights.

    Free market capitalism 101.

    Reaganomics. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. 65. Capitalism necessarily exists alongside the rule of law. Contrary to what its detractors might think, Capitalism != economic Darwinism.

    Gryph (f63000)

  61. 63. Mass fatality event, huh? Makes all those bikers in Sturgis look like a bunch of amateurs. Biker pikers. 😉

    Gryph (f63000)

  62. I guess it’s easier to say The World Is Burning, Vote Dem!’
    _

    harkin (09d352) — 9/12/2020 @ 12:58 pm

    Imagine if the left didn’t have the media constantly gaslighting by calling them stewards of the earth as their policies cause massive destruction.

    NJRob (250ade)

  63. @55. See, if Biden was on the ball, he’d know how to fight ‘fire with fire’ a la Trump– they’re not ‘megafires’– they’re MAGA-fires.

    He just doesn’t get it. He’s still using a Philco Beehive while the rest of the country is on smartphones.

    The only living American who can beat Trump at his own game is…

    Oprah Winfrey.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. 69. I can’t imagine Oprah would want to take the paycut to live in the White House.

    Gryph (f63000)

  65. @66. Except it doesn’t; like electricity, it follows the path of least resistance.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. Big Brother would smile at the way “anti-racist” means “overtly racist” today.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  67. 71. What you’re describing is not “capitalism.” Yeah, I know. “No true Scotsman…” But it’s not. Capitalism does not require one person to take forcibly from another. It is by definition a series of mutually agreed-upon transactions.

    Gryph (f63000)

  68. 70. I can’t imagine Oprah would want to take the paycut to live in the White House.

    Use your imagination: Trump did. At least On the surface.

    Romney wanted to… Bloomberg, as well.

    Plenty of multi-millionaires willing to pay to play.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. @55 you realize that the king fire was national forest, not state, right?

    @60 There are specific environmental needs that some states have that don’t affect others as much. Because of the geography the air in most of the populated places in the states is hemmed in by mountains, which makes air pollution sit over populated areas. There is also limited water, which means that water pollution is of significant concern. It isn’t a case of ha ha silly Californians, it’s a case of we’d like to breath, please. Air pollution is less of an issue for the middle of the country because it tends to blow away, though your aquifer could probably use having an eye kept on it.

    @62 That’s pretty much where I am. If they have the skills and can make the grade, it seems reasonable.

    Nic (896fdf)

  70. Her brand went comatose after rushing to endorse Obama and her funding of the 1619 documentary is her pulling out the iv…unless she has a very public Sistah Soulja and drops the project.

    urbanleftbehind (b94bee)

  71. 74. Trump is a lousy businessman. He’s much better at branding and self-promotion, which is the reason a lot of leftist shysters have run for the Presidency as well.

    Gryph (f63000)

  72. 76. If she really is floundering, running for office won’t ressurect her career.

    Gryph (f63000)

  73. The professor from whom I took a undergrad course on the Philadelphia Convention was African American whose wife was white. Which, in 1972 was objected to only by racists. Later he became chairman of the United States Commission on Civil Rights in the last year of the Reagan administration.

    I’d sure like to hear his take on this today. His daughter is an endowed professor of Ethics at Harvard. Her take might be interesting, too.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  74. Mulan is getting terrible reviews.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  75. 80. I read one review that called it “the worst, so far, of Disney’s live-action adaptations.” That’s saying quite a bit.

    Gryph (f63000)

  76. But all right-thinking people should demand that Disney withdraw Mulan, destroy all prints, apologize to everyone and contribute they annual profit to the Taiwanese military.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  77. 82. I’ve never been too big on cancel culture, even going the other way. That said, no amount of agitation is going to get Disney’s board of directors to stop worshipping at the altar of Mammon.

    Gryph (f63000)

  78. Roger Stone Calls on Trump to Seize Total Power
    In an interview with Alex Jones, Roger Stone urged Donald Trump to consider several draconian measures to stay in power if he loses the election due what he called “voter fraud.”

    The measures included having federal authorities seize ballots, having FBI agents and Republican state officials “physically” block voting under the pretext of preventing voter fraud, using martial law or the Insurrection Act to carry out widespread arrests, and nationalizing state police forces.
    >>>>>>>
    Comedy gold!

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  79. 84. I hope you don’t think the Dems are any better. If Trump wins in a landslide, you think they will just peacefully cede another four years?

    Gryph (f63000)

  80. Given that Oprah has a Net worth of $2.5B (#10 on Forbes Wealthiest Self-Made Women’s List) I’m sure she can survive any setback. It should be in the top three, because number of the women on the list are partners with their husbands.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  81. @77. Where do you park your helicopter – and are you on your third or fourth hot trophy wife?

    You just don’t get it.

    But the folks perched on bar stools in Akron after their third shift at Goodyear do.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. @85-
    Yes. I don’t think the Democratic Party will not try to overthrow the government by violence.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  83. 87. Trump inherited his money. And I could have done just as well he has with an inheritance that large invested in index funds.

    When you think about it, it makes perfect sense that he doesn’t want to release his tax returns. I really don’t believe there’s anything in them blatantly criminal or that most of us would consider scandalous, but it would harm the TRUMP brand by showing the world that he’s not the genius businessman he’s presented himself as.

    Gryph (f63000)

  84. https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-jake-tapper-republican-sean-parnell-democrat-conor-lamb

    That honest guy Jake Tapper just doing his part to try and protect a Democrat seat from a strong Republican challenger.

    Doing it on the sly of course.

    NJRob (250ade)

  85. 88. Um, you lost me, Rip. I’m not sure if you’re trolling me with that dub-neg.

    Gryph (f63000)

  86. @91-
    I would never troll you Gryph. The Democratic Party will not lead an armed revolution against the United States in the event Trump is re-elected, nor will Trump follow any of Stone’s recommendations.

    Clear enough?

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  87. Dakotas lead US in virus growth as both reject mask rules

    By January, sterilization with nuclear weapons may be the only alternative left.

    Dave (1bb933)

  88. 92. Thank you. I wondered if maybe it wasn’t a typo in there, and you slipped in an extra “not.”

    The Dems don’t need to “lead” an armed insurrection in the sense that you or I understand the concept of leadership. There are Marxist revolutionaries leading BLM and Antifa that have made their intentions quite clear. They may get a wink and a nudge from Dem strategists, but they don’t need marching orders coming from actual elected officials; they’re all on the same page.

    Gryph (f63000)

  89. 93. Well what about Hawaii? I think they’re 3rd or 4th in viral transmission, and they’ve apparently nuked their whole tourism industry for nothing. But since they have torched north of 80% of their economy, we don’t hear about them in the news. Sounds like they’re going to rely on exports of Kona coffee and pineapples to see them through this thing. I hope that’s enough./

    Gryph (f63000)

  90. That honest guy Jake Tapper just doing his part to try and protect a Democrat seat from a strong Republican challenger.

    according to a source close to, but unaffiliated with, Parnell’s campaign who feels the CNN anchor was unethically participating in political activism.

    When is an anonymous source good, and when is it bad?

    Davethulhu (a609dc)

  91. 96. If all you can cite in a story is anonymous sources, the story shouldn’t run. If anonymous sources can corroborate an on-the-record source, only then do they have value in journalism.

    Gryph (f63000)

  92. @95-
    And the federal government has the power to adequately defend itself.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  93. 98. If they bother. It’s Dems that are standing down, agreeing to bail for rioters, and otherwise enabling those millenial pukes. I’m quite aware that if the Dems are in charge at the federal level, it’s going to be a whole different ballgame.

    Gryph (f63000)

  94. Dakotas lead US in virus growth as both reject mask rules

    They also are among the states with the lowest per capita deaths. “Virus growth” is one of those terms that means nothing out of context. Going from 1 to 5 is a 400% growth rate, and also meaningless.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  95. Thulu,

    The direct tweet is there for all to see.

    But your squirrel is noted.

    NJRob (250ade)

  96. @95-
    Hawaii is ranked 34th in new cases over the last 7 days per 100k in population.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  97. Alex Jones, Roger Stone

    Well, I wouldn’t take anything Alex Jones says as a truthful representation of anything, and Roger Stone is a clown anyway. I have no doubt that, come Jan 20th, Trump and Melania will be on the inaugural stand, one way or the other. Were Trump to try to claim power, despite Congressional acceptance of the electoral vote, I would think that the Secret Service would usher him out. And if not them, the US Marine Corps barracks are close at hand.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  98. I am amazed at the chutzpah of Hawaiian Airlines ads, trying to get me to come to beautiful Hawaii at discount fares. Never mind the 14-day quarantine behind the curtain.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  99. …… come Jan 20th, Trump and Melania will be on the inaugural stand, one way or the other.
    …….

    I don’t think they will be there if Trump loses. Too humiliating.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  100. 102. I was going to post a joke about CoViD-19 in this thread, but most of the commenters here wouldn’t get it. 😉

    Gryph (f63000)

  101. I am amazed at the chutzpah of Hawaiian Airlines ads, trying to get me to come to beautiful Hawaii at discount fares. Never mind the 14-day quarantine behind the curtain.

    At least I can quarantine in my condo.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  102. Besides, Dave, you’re wrong (or the WaPo is)

    State, New Cases, Weekly change
    North Dakota, 242, -2%
    South Dakota, 179, -21%

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=sf_coronavirus

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  103. . Court-appointed adviser in Michael Flynn case says Justice Dept. yielded to corrupt ‘pressure campaign’ led by Trump
    …….
    In a 30-page court filing in Washington, former New York federal judge John Gleeson called Attorney General William P. Barr’s request to drop Flynn’s case a “corrupt and politically motivated favor unworthy of our justice system.”

    “In the United States, Presidents do not orchestrate pressure campaigns to get the Justice Department to drop charges against defendants who have pleaded guilty — twice, before two different judges — and whose guilt is obvious,” said Gleeson, who was appointed by the court to argue against the government’s request to dismiss the case.

    Gleeson’s filing set the stage for a potentially dramatic courtroom confrontation Sept. 29 with the Justice Department and Flynn’s defense over the fate of the highest-ranking Trump adviser to plead guilty in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s Russia investigation. Friday’s filings echo earlier arguments from Gleeson, who called the Justice Department’s attempt to undo Flynn’s conviction a politically motivated and “a gross abuse of prosecutorial power.”
    ……..
    Sorry if this had been posted before, but I didn’t see any discussion.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  104. Alex Jones and Roger Stone belong together, preferably broke, in a single-wide trailer park.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  105. I don’t think they will be there if Trump loses. Too humiliating.

    And when inauguration happens and they are there, I don’t think you’ll admit you were wrong, Rip. Too humiliating.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4bef1a)

  106. I don’t think they will be there if Trump loses. Too humiliating.

    Only four outgoing presidents have failed to attend the inauguration of their successor: John Adams (Jefferson), John Quincy Adams (Jackson), Andrew Johnson (grant) and Woodrow Wilson (Harding), although in Wilson’s case it was probably due to health (he accompanied Harding to the venue).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  107. #93 this is an extremely offensive post. You are calling for the extermination of people in North and South Dakota. This post should be taken down and the poster banned.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  108. In a 30-page court filing in Washington, former New York federal judge John Gleeson called Attorney General William P. Barr’s request to drop Flynn’s case a “corrupt and politically motivated favor unworthy of our justice system.”

    He had already been on record in thinking that before the investigation, so this is no great reveal.

    May 11, 2020

    The Justice Department’s move to dismiss the prosecution of former national security adviser Michael Flynn does not need to be the end of the case — and it shouldn’t be. The Justice Department has made conflicting statements to the federal judge overseeing the case, Emmet G. Sullivan. He has the authority, the tools and the obligation to assess the credibility of the department’s stated reasons for abruptly reversing course.

    The department’s motion to dismiss the Flynn case is actually just a request — one that requires “leave of the court” before it is effective. The executive branch has unreviewable authority to decide whether to prosecute a case. But once it secures an indictment, the proceedings necessarily involve the judicial branch. And the law provides that the court — not the executive branch — decides whether an indictment may be dismissed. The responsible exercise of that authority is particularly important here, where a defendant’s plea of guilty has already been accepted. Government motions to dismiss at this stage are virtually unheard of.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/11/flynn-case-isnt-over-until-judge-says-its-over/

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  109. Gleeson managed to only slap one of the largest money launderers on the planet hsbc with a fine. And his firm also represents yates and strzok so one wonders.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  110. Gleeson comes from the “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” school of legal jurisprudence.

    There, it’s been discussed, Rip.

    beer ‘n pretzels (27da31)

  111. The judges (or Justices) who will review this are probably immune to these histrionics, but it plays well in the press.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  112. @111-
    I will acknowledge it, but not watch it, for either candidate. As I’ve said before, I’m not voting for any candidate for president. I’ll be in Hawaii.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  113. It in keeping with james wolcott hurricane bingo, amanda mull ‘human sacrifice’ games,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  114. Meanwhile, on the school reopening issue:

    Santa Barbara Unified School District allowed the children of teachers and district employees to return to in-class learning, in a secret carve-out exemption at Franklin, McKinley, and other elementary schools in the district.

    https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/two-californias-one-for-government-ruling-class-the-other-for-the-people/

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  115. @116-
    A thoughtful post no doubt based on a review of the report. I’m sure Patterico will have more interesting things to say later.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  116. Gleeson reminds me of Ed Norton
    “Hello Ball”

    mg (8cbc69)

  117. 113. Don’t be offended on my account. I come from the only state in the nation whose governor has yet to order statewide business shutdowns and/or mask mandates. Living in that kind of (relative) freedom is worth the disdain of sheeple.

    Gryph (f63000)

  118. Professional wrestling! Why didn’t I see it sooner? Good grief, I have no excuse, I used to watch the stuff on UHF when UHF was just invented! Professional $%&@ wrestling! That’s what Trump’s Presidency has been! The fakery, the overblown hype, the bad hair, the too-stupid-to-go-potty-by-themselves batsh!t-crazy fans …! Professional wrestling!

    nk (1d9030)

  119. I am not offended on your account. It is the general principal of civility. Some things should not be made a joke.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  120. #93 this is an extremely offensive post. You are calling for the extermination of people in North and South Dakota. This post should be taken down and the poster banned.

    1DaveMac (b2b831) — 9/12/2020 @ 3:56 pm

    Ridiculous. Shame on you for having intentionally mischaracterized what Dave said. You know better. I could have easily said you lied about what he said (and that would be correct) but I’m feeling charitable.

    Dana (292df6)

  121. 127. I know the spirit in which Dave intended his post. It was absolutely reprehensible, low-to-no-class, and totally uncalled-for. That said, I choose not to be offended. The more I argue with idiots, the more I start to look like one.

    Gryph (f63000)

  122. Its illustrating absurdity by being absurd, the north eastern blue states which natch included massachussetts have done everything wrong

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  123. So what do you think he meant. Sounds to me like he meant the Dakotas will need to be sterilized?

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  124. It was not an intentional mischaracterization, that is exactly what I thought he said.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  125. It was meant in the spirit of “…A Modest Proposal.” Like I said, it was pretty low-rent for satire, but I’m feeling charitable. I wear the disdain of sheeple like a badge of pride now.

    Gryph (f63000)

  126. I was a crew member on a Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine whose mission was to launch nuclear weapons to destroy the Soviet Union and kill millions of people on the assumption thatmillions of Americans were already dead. I don’t consider that subject at all funny.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  127. 133. Neither do I. But satire isn’t always meant to be humorous.

    Gryph (f63000)

  128. Satire is defeated by phillip roths aphorism, it cant keep up with reality.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  129. Read the book Hiroshima by John Hershey.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  130. Then look up the fire bombing 0f Dresden and Tokyo.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  131. I was a crew member on a Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine

    Then you know that South Dakotans, with 150 Minuteman silos interspersed between the buffalo wallows and gopher holes, have lived with, and still live with, the threat of nuclear annihilation for 70 years, being the Numero Uno Preemptive Strike Target of Trump’s Russian masters. “Covid-19? What’s that, a new Russian MIRV?”

    nk (1d9030)

  132. 138. Most of those silos were decommissioned after the fall of the Soviet Union. At least one of them is a museum, I seem to recall. It’s not exactly real obvious, but you can tell when you drive by one on I90 west-river if you know what to look for. They almost look like pillboxes.

    Gryph (f63000)

  133. That so called satirical comment is just another example of the contempt some people on this blog feel for their fellow human beings.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  134. 141. It’s easy to feel contempt for someone when it means you can virtue signal.

    Gryph (f63000)

  135. And I am indeeed fully aware of the missile silos in the dakotas. And the STrategic Air Command B-52 bases. One of which I lived on as a child during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  136. Comparative analysis not allowed

    https://mobile.twitter.com/brithume/status/1304471047979364352

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  137. Rip

    https://youtu.be/7nYjZLmjxlM

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  138. People here think that kind of stuff Is acceptable satire and I’m the one whose supposed to be ashamed. Got it.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  139. Its a bizarre world, where the states and municipalities who have handled things well must be punished

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  140. Here’s a fact-checked list of Trump’s accomplishments, and it’s a good reference. You can’t see it, but I just patted myself on the back for reading all 123 items on the list.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  141. @87. You just don’t get it. Plagiarist JoeyBee is America’s Ed Rooney. Donald Trump is our Ferris Bueller.

    Catch him if you can.

    “Hi. Do you speak English?” – Ferris Bueller [Matthew Broderick] ‘Ferris Bueller’s Day Off’ 1986

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. Speaking of nukes, they have “Best By:” dates. I wonder if that’s part of Netanyahu’s calculations in helping Trump to get Nobel nominations. Israel’s babies need to have their Lithium 6 changed, and Trump threatened to cut off covert aid if they didn’t make nice-nice with his Arab friends?

    nk (1d9030)

  143. People here think that kind of stuff Is acceptable satire and I’m the one whose supposed to be ashamed. Got it.

    1DaveMac (b2b831) — 9/12/2020 @ 7:19 pm

    Cheer up. It’s gallows humor. No need to feel ashamed you don’t think it’s funny. But no need to be judgmental of those who do. People laughing at something bad is just how people cope. It’s a weird person who never laughs something off that isn’t really funny if you really think it over.

    Let’s just laugh at Biden and Trump, and that the two most powerful political parties in human history are so screwed up this is their top billing.

    Dustin (b232da)

  144. Gallows is where you want to send us, so no im not calming down,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  145. Gleeson reminds me of Ed Norton
    “Hello Ball”

    mg (8cbc69) — 9/12/2020 @ 4:30 pm

    I had to re-read that post to get that reference. Though I am old enough to remember the Honeymooners as a late night rerun staple, I thought you were talking about the film actor from American History X and Fight Club.

    urbanleftbehind (37a395)

  146. Re 150 by nk:

    In other words, Trump is acting like a pre-9/11 far right European pol.

    urbanleftbehind (37a395)

  147. Gallows is where you want to send us, so no im not calming down,

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 9/12/2020 @ 7:46 pm

    Crap… they know?

    Dustin (b232da)

  148. Cheer up. It’s gallows humor. No need to feel ashamed you don’t think it’s funny. But no need to be judgmental of those who do. People laughing at something bad is just how people cope. It’s a weird person who never laughs something off that isn’t really funny if you really think it over.

    Yes, I think this is right. Dave was not literally calling for the good people of the Dakotas to be exterminated. His dark humor may not be everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s okay. I think there is enough stress in the world today between a pandemic, the out of control fires here on the West coast, election chaos, civil unrest, etc, that we don’t need to add to it by demanding people be banned for something that rubs them wrong – and to which they ascribe evil intentions. Let’s be charitable, let’s give others the benefit of the doubt, and try to remember that we are guests in someone’s home. All of us would do well to remember that – both those making the exaggerated off-beat sarcastic comments, and those that would take it personally and literally. Please.

    Dana (292df6)


  149. Andy Larsen
    @andyblarsen
    ·
    New story: Jazz head coach Quin Snyder donated $500 2x to GOP congressional candidate Burgess Owens, who has spoken against BLM and NBA players’ protests.

    I tried to dig in to the context around the donations. Snyder and the Jazz declined to comment.
    __ _

    Quincy Simpson
    @QuinceSimp
    ·
    Why didn’t you specify that Owens is a black man in the tweet?
    __ _

    Andy Larsen
    @andyblarsen

    It’s in the article. Not every aspect of the story could be in the tweet.
    __ _

    FBRoberts
    @fbroberts

    You waited till the eighth paragraph
    to drop that kinda relevant info. lol
    __ _

    William Demars
    @Freedompaulie
    ·
    Don’t worry guys this hack knew exactly what he was doing.

    Downgraded his already sorry reporting to race baiting.

    A white man donated to a black man’s political campaign but this fool would have you believe that means he is racist.
    __ _

    Mollie
    @MZHemingway
    ·
    Salt Lake Tribune attacking Jazz head coach for donating $500 to a black Republican man who dared run for Congress. Yikes.
    __ _

    harkin (09d352)

  150. #156 yes Dana, like you were being charitable by accusing me of willfully mischaracterizing what he said. As if the fact that he meant it as satire made the slightest bit of difference, and then implied that I was a liar, and then saying you were being charitable by not calling me a liar.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  151. And no, I never took him literally. That was not the point.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  152. They could trade with a campus in guatemala

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/on-todays-campus-its-all-too-kosher-to-honor-a-terrorist/

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  153. Wow, what a bunch of humorless poopy-heads.

    This post should be taken down and the poster banned.

    Bless your heart!

    “Virus growth” is one of those terms that means nothing out of context. Going from 1 to 5 is a 400% growth rate, and also meaningless.

    They have the highest per capita rate of new infections in the country, despite being close to the most sparsely populated.

    Besides, Dave, you’re wrong (or the WaPo is)

    State, New Cases, Weekly change
    North Dakota, 242, -2%
    South Dakota, 179, -21%

    The “rate of virus growth” is the daily rate of new cases (per capita). There’s no mistake – the Dakota’s lead the nation.

    The numbers you quote are the change in the rate of virus growth – the acceleration or deceleration, in effect.

    As you say *those* numbers are largely meaningless; the rate of new cases per capita is the relevant one.

    Dave (1bb933)

  154. Right, sterilizing two states, hilarious.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  155. 1DaveMac,

    You did mischaracterize what he said and then chose to react to that.

    Dana (292df6)

  156. What was the mischaracterization?

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  157. That he supposedly meant it literally? No, that was never the point and to assume that I believed he meant it literally was your mischaracterization. It was highly offensive even as satire.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  158. Or that I knew he meant it as satire and was pretending that he meant it literally was not at all true.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  159. Right, sterilizing two states, hilarious.

    1DaveMac (b2b831) — 9/12/2020 @ 8:56 pm

    It’s no skin off my ass if you’re mad about it. I get mad about dumb things all the time. None of us are lesser than you, or better than you, because of that. Just understand that jokes are a psychologically healthy way to work through a world where there are nukes and rape and cancer and addiction and North Dakota.

    Dustin (b232da)

  160. I don’t think I’m banned, but I do have a comment stuck in moderation (for a happyfeet-ism, I guess)

    Dave (1bb933)

  161. Dana said that I deliberately mischaracterized what he said and that I should be ashamed. And then she just repeated that I deliberately mischaracterized what he said. It is not true.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  162. Obviously you aren’t going to be banned.

    1DaveMac (b2b831)

  163. People here think that kind of stuff Is acceptable satire and I’m the one whose supposed to be ashamed. Got it

    Was it acceptable when Trump said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters? Or mocked a reporter’s disability? Or said “I like people that weren’t captured”? Or said he could obliterate Afghanistan if he wanted to?

    We have a president who frequently makes statements that his defenders feel a need to explain away, and that even he sometimes finds necessary to excuse as “sarcasm.” And if anyone finds his comments unacceptable, the Trumpistas ridicule the critics for “pearl-clutching.”

    But if someone makes a joke on a small blog? Bring out the smelling salts!

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  164. Was it acceptable when Trump said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters? Or mocked a reporter’s disability? Or said “I like people that weren’t captured”? Or said he could obliterate Afghanistan if he wanted to?

    We have a president who frequently makes statements that his defenders feel a need to explain away, and that even he sometimes finds necessary to excuse as “sarcasm.” And if anyone finds his comments unacceptable, the Trumpistas ridicule the critics for “pearl-clutching.”

    But if someone makes a joke on a small blog? Bring out the smelling salts!

    Radegunda (e1ea47) — 9/12/2020 @ 9:42 pm

    A lot of people here lost their lunch over those very same remarks and pretended they were meant literally. Just like they claimed Trump’s trolling Hillary by telling the Russians to release what they had on her was “treason!!!!”

    I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  165. @170 A couple of weeks ago a coworker of mine did something that could have been unforgivably stupid and made significant problems for several of us. Then they texted us with basically “oh, sorry about the thing, please feel sorry for me because I got chewed out.” I did not comment on the group text. I could not because I was still furious at the person and would have said something probably unfortunate in response. I needed to step back and let it go, for my own benefit.

    Nic (896fdf)

  166. Reagan Battalion
    @ReaganBattalion
    ·
    Breaking: 2 police officers were shot in Compton CA. One male deputy and one female deputy were ambushed as they sat in their patrol vehicle, the shooter just walked up to their vehicle and shot them in the head.
    __ _

    ABC7 Eyewitness News
    @ABC7
    ·
    UPDATE: The two LASD deputies – one male, one female – were ambushed as they sat in their patrol vehicle, the department says. Both are in critical condition https://abc7.la/3bTxNW8

    __ _

    harkin (09d352)

  167. I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored

    Maybe it also depends on who’s the most powerful person in the world, and who’s a more or less anonymous commenter on a small blog.

    Anyway, as often happens, there was a germ (see what I did there?) of truth behind my jest. And it’s this: those who are in mortal fear of wearing a mask, and view it as an intolerable burden on their rights, would do well to consider the potential consequences of their irresponsibility. The longer the virus remains uncontrolled and the worse the pandemic gets, the louder will be the calls for even stronger measures, and the more support those measures – being widely recognized as necessary – will command.

    It’s in *everyone’s* interest – especially “rugged individualists” convinced their government wants to enslave them – to bring the virus under control as quickly as possible.

    Dave (1bb933)

  168. A lot of people here lost their lunch over those very same remarks and pretended they were meant literally.

    I doubt that anyone here lost their lunch over those remarks, but many people draw rational conclusions about Trump’s character (or lack of it).

    It’s weird to suggest that Trump doesn’t really mean it when he insults and mocks people. Of course he means it.
    The accumulation of bizarre and appalling remarks by Trump is extraordinary for any public figure, let alone a president, whose public speech ought to mean something more that “trolling” his domestic “enemies,” while he sends love letter to Kim Jong Un.

    One of the main arguments for Trump at the beginning was that “he’s unfiltered” and “not PC” and “he tells it like it is.” His alacrity in hurling insults was supposed to be a mark of candor and honesty. But as soon as his defenders find his comments too embarrassing, they resort to the convenient “He didn’t mean it literally” excuse and try to tell us what he really meant.

    It’s quite amazing, and not in a good way.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  169. #93 this is an extremely offensive post. You are calling for the extermination of people in North and South Dakota. This post should be taken down and the poster banned.

    You may not like it, but it doesn’t violate the commenting rules. Had Dave said that he wished Gryph should die in a ball of nuclear fire, that would’ve crossed a line, but he didn’t go there.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  170. 133.I was a crew member on a Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine whose mission was to launch nuclear weapons to destroy the Soviet Union and kill millions of people on the assumption thatmillions of Americans were already dead. I don’t consider that subject at all funny.

    Kubrick did.

    “Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.” – General “Buck” Turgidson [George C. Scott] ‘Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  171. Are antifa arsonists responsible for Oregon fires? The FBI indicates no:

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/fbi-oregon-fire-antifa-rumors-facebook-police

    Victor (661f31)

  172. 129 – Bolivar di griz –
    Govna charlie parker has us no.3 in deaths because he put sick people in the wrong places. He killed vets. I believe he is protecting his pervert son from prosecution, he will do anything the left wants, including killing the economy of Massachusetts. This pos needs to be fired. Rinos are the worst people on the planet.

    mg (8cbc69)

  173. Go ahead and believe the FBI, Victor.
    lmao

    mg (8cbc69)

  174. Here is the election in a nutshell:

    Bad character with favorable policy versus favorable character with bad policy.

    It’s the evil of two lessers.

    norcal (a5428a)

  175. After giving it some thought, I decided that a little clarification was needed:

    The election is a choice between a bad character with generally favorable policies versus a generally favorable character with bad policies.

    Pick your poison.

    norcal (a5428a)

  176. Why do we have to give money to the state of Pornofornia? You people have some sick, disgusting leaders.
    And you all hate Mr. Nunes.
    Pathetic.

    mg (8cbc69)

  177. man who plagiarized in college, who lied about who killed his wife, who was a soviet tool in the 70s, and of segregationists, with a coked up son, who covers for bankers who bust out institutions to the tune of billions,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  178. my friend clarice, investigated the jablonski murders in the 70s, in the 80s rooted out nazis in the former soviet union, she has a nose for these deep state players,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  179. I wasn’t keen on trump five years ago, but since the gang that couldnt or wouldn’t get their act together behind cruz, they dawdled between jeb, kasich and the fat man, this is where we ended up,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  180. Well, why didnt Nunes avail himself of some of Roger Stone’s playbook in the past 3 even number years? And I like that guy, but hes gotta get into one of the big 3 offices, jungle primary or not. Mike Garcia might be the last Luke Skywalker of that state, let’s hope doesnt go all Mark Hamill

    urbanleftbehind (37a395)

  181. https://www.theblaze.com/news/authorities-arrest-4-people-on-arson-charges-in-deadly-and-massive-california-oregon-and-washington-wildfires

    While some on here want to run to the defense of their preferred violent groups, there are arsonists being arrested for these terroristic actions. Whether they belong to a particular group is anyone’s guess, but several of these blazes have been deliberately set.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  182. Since so many of the posters here are based in California, I am surprised no one has yet posted about the two LA police officers who were ambushed and shot. And then the BLM “protestors” who showed up at the hospital, tried to block the ambulance from entering, and shouted, “We hope they die.”

    This is who the left is today. It’s obscene.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  183. stone was an idiot, but if that was a jailable offense there would be no quorum in washington,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  184. 192. No one should be surprised that the left is ascendant given that the right has forgotten what really matters.

    Gryph (f63000)

  185. they’ve been working at this for 50 years gryph, when they didn’t succeed in the elections, they buried themselves in the bureaucracies, and consolidated in academia, which was an entree into all the other institutions,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  186. my historical memory goes back to when donald sutherland and jane fonda were all up with the panthers, who are one of the wellsprings of this movement,

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/09/two-los-angeles-county-deputies-shot-blm-chants-we-hope-they-die-outside-hospital/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  187. this isn’t about police accountability, this is a low grade insurgency, with the high fever in portland, minneapolis and seattle,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  188. LA County Sheriffs
    @LASDHQ
    ·
    To the protesters blocking the entrance & exit of the HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOM yelling “We hope they die” referring to 2 LA Sheriff’s ambushed today in #Compton: DO NOT BLOCK EMERGENCY ENTRIES & EXITS TO THE HOSPITAL. People’s lives are at stake when ambulances can’t get through.
    __ _

    special agent viti
    @selfdeclaredref
    ·
    BLM protesters trying to breach St. Francis hospital where two officers are fighting for their lives after being shot in an ambush.

    “Y`all gonna die one by one” – BLM LA
    __ _

    Holden
    @Holden114
    ·
    You cannot for years work the public into a frothing rage telling them they’re going to be put back in chains and then pretend you have clean hands when that rage is channeled. Or that some mealy-mouthed “I condemn violence” statement makes it okay to continue the incitement.
    __ _

    Sunny McSunnyface
    @sunnyright
    ·
    Are we still doing that “hold politicians accountable for their rhetoric when politically-aligned violence follows” thing or nah?
    _ _

    Sunny McSunnyface
    @sunnyright
    ·
    Hey let’s talk about the Democratic Party’s leadership helping bail out people who assaulted cops, shall we?
    __ _

    Deepereyes
    @deepereyes
    ·
    I know @jaketapper got upset and said journalist lives were at steak when a certain politician made fun of them.

    But today it’s ‘ThIs iS tRUmp’S AMerICA!!’
    _

    harkin (09d352)

  189. Trump campaign rallies.

    He gets five thousand people in there, shoulder to shoulder. But he doesn’t mingle with them. Of course there are significant risks to attendees but he needs that image of an America that is great again. They are his human shields.

    noel (9fead1)

  190. Since so many of the posters here are based in California, I am surprised no one has yet posted about the two LA police officers who were ambushed and shot. And then the BLM “protestors” who showed up at the hospital, tried to block the ambulance from entering, and shouted, “We hope they die.”

    This is who the left is today. It’s obscene.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 9/13/2020 @ 6:56 am

    I think the shooter might be a kid or at least a teenager, based on the video. Maybe not, the eyes can play tricks on us, but I can only hope that someone figures out who that was and if someone sent him. America in 2020 continues to give our blood reason to boil. Protesters did show up at the hospital. Whether they said they hope they die is apparently a debate right now, but I buy that someone would say it. Who goes to a hospital to protest someone who just got ambushed? The level of hatred is absolutely off the charts.

    Cops will step down their proactivity. It’s just human nature. People want to go home to their families. It’s going to get even harder and more dangerous, in a million little ways, for the cops who don’t. The neighborhoods that are hit the hardest will have plenty of the poorest. Businesses will make decisions about where they should be, people who can move will move.

    Biden and Trump have both failed to adequately lead on this issue. We are so busy defending our side’s politician, hammering the other’s, that we’re not seeing how it’s a unified party just exploiting the cycle of news against our communities. That unified party goes to professional sports, media corporations, social media, so everyone is pushed constantly away from a healthy, peaceful country.

    Of course Russia’s social media operation is probably part of the problem, constantly attacking America’s classic racial division. I wouldn’t be opposed to a MOAB falling on whatever offices in Russia organize this conduct, or a massive espionage effort to figure it out in person, but Trump loves the Russians who stoke our hatred and is obviously the worst, most failed president, in history. Trump is the government we deserve if we hate ourselves this much.

    Dustin (b232da)

  191. Of course Russia’s social media operation is probably part of the problem, constantly attacking America’s classic racial division.

    Gotta find some way to shoehorn Russia into this.

    Who was president when cops were murdered in Dallas, Brooklyn and Baton Rouge? And, let us know what Russia had to do with that.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4e84c4)

  192. No one should be surprised that the left is ascendant given that the right has forgotten what really matters.

    Between 2009 and 2015, the Democrats lost over 1000 seats in Congress, state legislatures and governors’ mansions.

    If the left is ascendant today, it’s because of one (orange) man.

    Dave (1bb933)

  193. Gotta find some way to shoehorn Russia into this.

    Who was president when cops were murdered in Dallas, Brooklyn and Baton Rouge? And, let us know what Russia had to do with that.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4e84c4) — 9/13/2020 @ 7:59 am

    Think about this for a second. We all know Russia is engaged in propaganda on social media, and we all know they have been pushing racial animosity for decades.

    You’re defending Russia as though it didn’t even happen. The only reason is because you support Trump. Think about how cleverly manipulated you’ve been. Your defense is illogical, almost incomprehensible, whining that Trump wasn’t president when Russia did a lot of this. Romney was right to warn us, Reagan was right to warn us, and Trump defends them today because he is selfish.

    What’s sad is that you’re projecting shoehorning when to you, the only reason Russia matters is that it is a vulnerability in your president. This is why I will vote for Biden despite the nuts on the left. There is no hope of healing this connected country if we beg Russia to keep doing this stuff.

    Dustin (b232da)

  194. If the left is ascendant today, it’s because of one (orange) man.

    Dave (1bb933) — 9/13/2020 @ 8:00 am

    Before all those intel agencies concluded, before all those investigations concluded, just how deeply Russia had attacked us, Trump’s bizarre begging Russia to hack Hillary to help him win the presidency was defended as a mere ‘troll’. I like a good joke, but I don’t get it. Why is it funny for the president to ‘troll’ Americans on the debate stage that he’s depending on Russia to help him beat Hillary?

    At any rate, this idea that Trump ‘fights’ because of how well he angers so many people, conservative republicans, Christians, blacks, democrats, lots of us. Well, after four years of Trump’s defense, that he was just trolling, Trump’s fans want to blame Biden for how mad people are.

    I know Biden’s not up to the task, and I am cynical about what the democrats will do with the crisis that Trump has made, but just because there was a BLM movement and almost all our problems before Trump trolled his way into office doesn’t mean he hasn’t made everything worse. Like a lot of us were saying in 2016, Trump is a gift to the democrats, to their big picture. Whatever successes of these past four years for his fans are nothing compared to what it will cost. They know it. They are defending themselves at this point.

    Dustin (b232da)

  195. “ Who was president when cops were murdered in Dallas, Brooklyn and Baton Rouge?”

    – beer n’ pretzels

    Lots of different people probably, at various times.

    Leviticus (002f17)

  196. You’re defending Russia as though it didn’t even happen. The only reason is because you support Trump.

    I’m defending common sense, not Russia.

    Putin and Russia are a$$holes. That’s neither here nor there, but I guess I have to make that plain because of your nonsensical allegations.

    You didn’t answer my question, because you can’t. Cops dead. Russia bad. Anyone who laughs at that loves them some Russia. Got it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (581ed0)

  197. @192-
    That’s NJRob’s responsibility. He is the official cop shootings tracker.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  198. putin, arose out of the disastrous policies that the likes of jeff sachs and lawrence summers imposed, of course he took advantage of that disaster, much of the liberal class was discredited by their support of these policies,

    I think putin is not supported in this countries intellectual circles, because his death count is a mere fraction, of stalin or even brezhnev, and he understands the importance of the church, in Russian cultural life,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  199. Lots of different people probably, at various times.

    Yet, we’re focusing on two cops killed in Compton yesterday, and you felt compelled to comment.

    beer ‘n pretzels (581ed0)

  200. You didn’t answer my question, because you can’t. Cops dead. Russia bad. Anyone who laughs at that loves them some Russia. Got it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (581ed0) — 9/13/2020 @ 8:19 am

    I actually did answer your question. Maybe you did not read my comment, but I think you’re just so invested in this dumb gotcha debate theatre to bother understanding my point. And is the real problem with your mentality. It is painfully stupid.

    Russia has been pushing racial division in America for decades. Republican leaders have been warning us about it for a long time. Romney was mocked for it in 2012 because ‘that was the past’. But he was right.

    As social media becomes such a powerful force, Russian manipulation of our people with racial division has become even more serious. For some reason, you defended it, and of course, you deny what you’re doing. I don’t really care. We all know the reason. You’ll deny it too.

    Anyone who laughs at that loves them some Russia. Got it.

    I know you don’t really care about this country, about those police officers, or about anything but your side, because you have been manipulated. It’s interesting watching you squirm though. Keep dancing.

    Dustin (b232da)

  201. russians didn’t mortar courthouses, burn down mcdonalds, the chinese consulate in houston might have more to do with that,

    https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2020/09/09/the-anti-defamation-league-must-go/?unapproved=24388&moderation-hash=82f376852fd7373b09a924a7b5716705#comment-24388

    as to the nature of the fifth column here,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  202. It’s not big news that Roger Stone is calling for Trump to mount a post-election coup if he loses, or that he wants reporters at the Daily Beast (why just them?) arrested for sedition, I just liked Rick Wilson’s reaction:

    “That degenerate, geriatric fop will likely see the inside of a jail before any Daily Beast reporter does,” said Editor-at-Large Rick Wilson.

    Paul Montagu (9cf48a)

  203. Keep loving China, Dustin, and what they’ve done to our country.

    See, with surprisingly little effort, I can debate at your level.

    beer ‘n pretzels (53e75e)

  204. Trump And Biden Both Got Small Convention Bounces. But Only Biden Got More Popular.
    ………
    Several pollsters have asked Americans whether they have a favorable or unfavorable view of both Trump and Biden since the Republican National Convention ended on Aug. 27. On average, these polls gave Biden a 48 percent favorable rating and a 46 percent unfavorable rating — or a net favorability rating of +3 percentage points. That’s a slight, 4-point increase from his net favorability rating in the same polls before the conventions. To be more minute about it, his net favorability rating actually went from -2 points in polls conducted entirely or mostly before the conventions, to +3 points in polls conducted entirely or mostly between the two conventions (after the Democratic National Convention spent four days talking him up), to +3 points in the post-convention period……..

    Trump, on the other hand, went into the convention period with lower favorables than Biden and does not appear to have emerged from it any better liked. Before the conventions, his average net favorability (according to these same pollsters) was -13 percentage points. After the DNC started, but before the RNC, his net favorability rating ticked down to -15 points. And the RNC didn’t do much to boost his standing. In the most recent round of surveys from these pollsters, Trump has an average favorable rating of 41 percent and an average unfavorable rating of 55 percent. In other words, his net favorability rating is now -14 points.
    …….
    ……. On average in these polls, since the conventions ended, 26 percent of Americans have said they view Biden very favorably, and 36 percent have said they view him very unfavorably (that’s -10 points on net). By contrast, Trump has an average “very favorable” rating of 29 percent and an average “very unfavorable” rating of 47 percent (-18 points on net).
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  205. No, that isn’t debating the points Dustin made. It is debating like Trump.

    DRJ (aede82)

  206. The next not-Trumpian administration should put Stone under a jail, if for no other reason than to make for an extreme example.

    urbanleftbehind (d0f461)

  207. And for lighter fare, will there be a similar run on the DNA of our current POTUS from ones besides Barron and Tiffany?

    http://news.yahoo.com/grandson-harding-lover-wants-presidents-121820096.html

    urbanleftbehind (d0f461)

  208. the media didn’t like that their cozy arrangement with hillary, was revealed, it also revealed how the dnc treated politico like holy writ, before that, they loved assange when he compromised us signal intelligence, confidential diplomatic cables etc, a tower of pulitzers were built on his haul,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  209. Why Trump Might Be Scaring Off Older Voters
    ………
    ……… The pandemic has killed some 190,000 Americans, and 8 in 10 of the deaths reported have been among those 65 or over. President Trump’s delayed and fractured response to the outbreak appears to have reshaped the political dynamics for older Americans. Four years ago, he won voters 65 or over by a margin of 13.3 percentage points. But looking at an average of the nine most recent national polls, voters age 65 or over1 favored Biden to Trump by 49.5 percent to 45.7 percent.

    …….. But why are they increasingly abandoning him? There’s the pandemic, of course, but I’m not sure that explains everything. An average of six national polls from May — before the beginning of widespread protests against police violence that would come to dominate the news over the summer — showed Trump and Biden tied among voters 65 or over. Perhaps this other national crisis is driving away older Americans. Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric about race and crime could be alienating them as well.
    ……..
    A recent Quinnipiac University poll conducted following the RNC — an event with the discernible theme that “violence in the largely Black cities of America makes everyone, including white suburbanites, unsafe” — showed Biden leading by 10 points overall. Voters age 65 or over said they supported Biden over Trump by 50 percent to 46 percent, and when asked if Trump made them feel “more safe” or “less safe,” 46 percent said that Trump made them feel less safe; 44 percent said the opposite.
    ……..
    …….. Even as white Americans’ support for the Black Lives Matter movement has waned over the course of the summer, this doesn’t appear to have had a significant effect on Biden’s lead. Voters seem to separate him from the movement even as Trump has tried to tie it to him. …….
    ………

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  210. harding was just a convenient chew toy, he was dead, coolidge carried forward the policies, but was hobbled by his family tragedy so hoover ended up in charge, and he ‘blew the transaxle,’ and turned a likely downturn into a depression, which roosevelt extended for a better part of a decade,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  211. No, that isn’t debating the points Dustin made. It is debating like Trump.

    Dustin’s point:

    “I know you don’t really care about this country, about those police officers, or about anything but your side, because you have been manipulated. It’s interesting watching you squirm though. Keep dancing.”

    So DRJ, this is the sort of dialogue you welcome? If so, that’s fine. Just want to understand how it differs from how I responded.

    beer ‘n pretzels (194ead)

  212. I like to take the long view of things, it’s the amateur historian in me, there’s a whole lot of dejavu to the 70s, of course the radicals hadn’t seized the commanding heights back then, they were on the other side of the moat, looking in, but there were few profiles in courage then, allan bloom at cornell, maybe huntngdon at harvard, columbia was a complete capitulation,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  213. @84. A known plagiarist is not a man of “good character.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  214. ^184.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  215. 202. No one man has that kind of power. Not even Trump.

    Gryph (f63000)

  216. @202. If the left is ascendant today, it’s because of one (orange) man.

    Trump was spawned in the cesspool of Ronnie’s go-go 1980s; a monster fed then nurtured by the celebrated excesses championed by modern conservative ideologues embracing ‘voodoo,’ trickle down economics while millions were trickled on; who locked up that dark side in a gilded cage on Fifth Avenue. Until the Frankenstein escaped Trump Tower to ravage, pillage and ultimately destroy his very creators. He is the GOP’s ‘Picture of Dorian Gray.’

    He is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  217. @222-
    Another example of Hillary Clinton living rent-free in Trumpkin’s heads. Different time, different candidates, different electorate. But keep posting polls from four years ago if that makes you happy.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  218. That’s NJRob’s responsibility. He is the official cop shootings tracker.

    Rip Murdock (24965f) — 9/13/2020 @ 8:20 am

    You think that’s funny, but it’s really an awful think to say. Proves where your feelings lie though.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  219. Rip only spams threads with stories that interests him, NJRob. Speaks volumes.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7f2992)

  220. @231-
    I apologize, it was an ill-considered and thoughtless post.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  221. The story was also posted by someone else last night, so I saw no need to repeat it.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  222. Until the Frankenstein escaped Trump Tower to ravage, pillage and ultimately destroy his very creators. He is the GOP’s ‘Picture of Dorian Gray.’

    Excellent!

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  223. All Michigan State students asked to quarantine due to ‘exponential growth’ of COVID-19
    All local Michigan State University students have been asked to self-quarantine immediately for the next two weeks to contain the “exponential growth” of COVID-19 cases, county health officials said.

    At least 342 people affiliated with the East Lansing school have tested positive for the coronavirus since Aug. 24, according to the Ingham County Health Department. In the three weeks prior, there were only 23 such cases, officials said. Cases started to rise once thousands of students returned to the area for the fall semester, officials said.

    At least a third of the people who tested positive had recently attended parties or social gatherings — and at least a third of those were associated with a fraternity or sorority, the health department said.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  224. Trump’s take on federal marshalls shooting the alleged Portland killer:

    “This guy was a violent criminal, and the US Marshals killed him. And I’ll tell you something — that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution.”

    If you need it explained to you what an affront the extrajudicial killing of a criminal suspect as an act of retribution would* be to the rule of law, you shouldn’t have made it past middle school civics. If you don’t care what an affront it would be, then I can see why torturing enemy combatants might be up your alley.

    (*I say would because the only place it was motivated by retribution is the diseased, lawless mind of our president. You know… the guy with the nuclear codes. I don’t think for a second it motivated the marshals.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  225. BNP, I criticized Russia for its efforts to disrupt and destabilize our country. the easiest way to do it is race, but economics, political party, there are a lot of ways and I think Russia’s been doing them all, fairly creatively, for a long long time.

    Your response is to demand I explain who the president was when things happened before Trump was elected. An ad hoc test, a revealing association in your mind between Trump and russian efforts to harm us, and an irrelevant point. Russia’s been doing this since the invention of the atom bomb. Trump is their triumph, not their introduction.

    You have defended Russia from these claims, saying they are shoehorned, therefore you’re denying this is part of the issue. Fine. you could more fairly accuse the USA of doing this sort of thing. I’m Persian so I am acutely aware of the last time Iran had a legitimately elected leader and how that played out.

    But this ‘you love China’ claim is just trolling. Combined with ‘I’m just showing you what you’re like’, which is a classic weasel’s way of making an accusation. If you really think I am here to spread lies to help China, be a man and say why you think so. If you don’t think that, don’t say that. I really do think Russia has a sophisticated attack on this country. If you think that’s nuts (and an uninformed person would reasonably suspect that’s nuts) say so without making it about Trump.

    Trump’s made it hard to distinguish what’s good for our country from what’s bad for Trump, but it’s more complex. He just happens to be a mess. not my responsibility to solve that in the minds of his most zealous fans.

    Dustin (b232da)

  226. There has to be retribution

    Sigh. That’s only natural. That’s why we have police with accountability, courts of law, civil rights, so people can hope for justice and not take matters in their own hands, and similarly if accused or stopped by the government, hope for justice and not take matters in their own hands.

    Trump doesn’t think about this. He thinks that this is a choice between sides and he’s picking the side to his advantage.

    Dustin (b232da)

  227. Dustin,

    I’d argue that it’s the communists that have been doing this as they said they would for the past 80 years. From Duranty to Teddy Kennedy and on, the Soviets used their allies in the West to pollute our minds and try to defeat us ideologically because they could never do so militarily. They took over our schools and indoctrinated our young. Just like they said they would do. That is our enemy. The ideology that destroys nations.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  228. I’d argue that it’s the communists that have been doing this as they said they would for the past 80 years. From Duranty to Teddy Kennedy and on, the Soviets used their allies in the West to pollute our minds and try to defeat us ideologically because they could never do so militarily. They took over our schools and indoctrinated our young. Just like they said they would do. That is our enemy. The ideology that destroys nations.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/13/2020 @ 11:06 am

    Great point. Bill Ayers, etc.

    Dustin (b232da)

  229. 240. Russia hasn’t been communist for 30 years. They’re still doing it. If that causes you cognitive dissonance, deal with it.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  230. lurker, communism is just one way, a very good way, to have maximum power over people. It’s the same bastards running things. It’s not communism, but they throw you out of a window and try to disable real democracy anywhere they can. Good versus evil in my opinion.

    We’ve got to find a way to inoculate our discourse from the manipulation without losing our freedom of expression. Education is critical, and that is actually one area that led to where we are today. Frustration with how schools work definitely is one reason Trump was viable. It’s interesting to think about. not sure what there is to do about it though.

    Dustin (b232da)

  231. communists in this country, along with islamists, no marxism has little purchase in the soviet union, nor in the east bloc, in the west it’s a different story,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  232. FYI, for anyone interested, there is a post up about the Los Angeles shooting of the deputies.

    Dana (292df6)

  233. @243 Do you think that Trump might be deliberately being provocative about the BLM stuff because civil unrest in cities could help him with the suburbs? It hadn’t occurred to me before, but he’s a skilled marketer and he doesn’t seem to care if he hurts people in the process of promoting himself so it might be within his wheelhouse. He also appears to enjoy making provocative statements in general and doesn’t seem to understand that he’s president of all Americans, not just the ones who voted for him. IDK, I had just assumed he was, as usual, blustering, but I’m beginning to think that this isn’t bluster, it’s strategy.

    Nic (896fdf)

  234. It’s the same bastards running things. It’s not communism, but they throw you out of a window and try to disable real democracy anywhere they can. Good versus evil in my opinion.

    I think that was my point. That and the fact that unless the evil those people are doing today can be pinned on an ideology that was plowed under 30 years ago, it doesn’t seem to interest some people.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  235. Sigh. That’s only natural.

    It’s natural for humans to feel. For the reasons you give, it’s dangerously corrosive to a constitutional republic for its president to associate it approvingly with an extra-judicial killing by government agents.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  236. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-discusses-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-september-13-2020

    …..MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to FACE THE NATION. We are continuing our conversation now with Dr. Scott Gottlieb. You just heard that sound bite from Bob Woodward. There has been a lot of scrutiny this week of the president’s response to COVID-19 given the revelations in Bob Woodward’s book. For any president, their very first responsibility is to protect the American public. From your point of view, do you think the critical failing here was one of public messaging or was it operational?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: Well, look, the public messaging wasn’t clear and consistent in the outset and could have been better at all levels of government. I think if you look back in February, and I think when history looks back, the biggest failing over that month was that we were- we were situationally blind. We had no idea where this virus was and wasn’t spreading. And so when it came time to have to shut down cities, rather than focus on the cities that were truly epidemic, like New York City, we went for a simultaneous shutdown order across the whole country when that was unnecessary now, in retrospect, because there were a lot of cities where the virus wasn’t spreading at that time and we could have focused on mitigation. But we had no diagnostic test in the field to screen people. And what CDC officials were relying on and telling the coronavirus task force was that there was no spread of coronavirus in the United States in February, they were telling them that because they were looking at what we call the influenza-like illness surveillance network, basically a surveillance network of who’s presenting to hospitals with flu-like symptoms. And they said that they’re seeing no spike in people presenting with respiratory symptoms, therefore, coronavirus must not be spreading. And they were adamant about that. I was talking to White House officials over this time period. They were adamant about that. And I suspect the president was being told as well that this virus wasn’t spreading in the United States. And that may have impacted what he did and didn’t say and his willingness to, you know, as he said, talk it down a little bit because he was of the perception that this was not spreading here in the United States. That really was the tragic mistake, not just that we didn’t have the information, but we were so confident in drawing conclusions off of what proved to be faulty information and incomplete information.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you saying he was failed by health officials? Are you letting him off the hook?

    DR. GOTTLIEB: Look, I think in this respect, the White House leadership was failed by health officials. We did not have a diagnostic in the field, so we couldn’t screen for it. We should have. We should have started working on that in January. And we over-relied on a surveillance system that was built for flu and not for coronavirus without recognizing that it wasn’t going to be as sensitive at detecting coronavirus spread as it was for flu because the two viruses spread very differently. Those were two critical failings. Now, you could say, well, the president put those people in place, he’s responsible. You know, you can make second-order arguments around that. But I think ultimately the White House did not have the information they need to make decisions. The key function of agencies and the government is to provide policymakers with accurate, actionable information. The White House didn’t have it. And I had a lot of conversations with the White House over this time period because I was concerned it was spreading here, and I was pushing them on that. And they were- they were telling me over and over that they were hearing from top officials from the agencies that they were pretty confident that it wasn’t spreading here. I think when history looks back, that’s going to be a key moment. That’s what was going on over February.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: All right, Dr. Gottlieb, always good to have your analysis. Thank you for joining us.

    Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82)

  237. beer n pretzels,

    I think you ignored the substance of Dustin’s comments and saw only the part that focused on you (which he probably said because you ignored the substance of his comments). So you responded personally. Borderline personal attacks are very Trump-like because they let him change the discussion from any substantive debate to a discussion that inflames passions, not reason. I think you tried to do that with Dustin.

    DRJ (aede82)

  238. Federal judge grants temporary restraining order to prevent USPS from sending election mailers with ‘false statements‘
    A federal judge has temporarily barred the US Postal Service from sending mailers containing what Colorado’s top election official calls “false statements” that may discourage voters from participating in the November election, according to court documents filed Saturday evening.
    ……..
    The pre-election mailers, meant to inform Americans about voting by mail, advise voters to request a vote-by-mail ballot at least 15 days before Election Day and to return the official ballot at least seven days before. Those guidelines, however, don’t align with Colorado’s election policies.

    The lawsuit pointed to false statements, including telling voters they need to request a ballot, when in Colorado that isn’t the case. The state also pointed to the part of the mailer the tells voters to send in their ballots seven days in advance, when Colorado voters have the option to return their ballots in person on Election Day.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  239. Fox News Poll: Biden-Trump a 5-point race in post-convention poll
    ……….
    The national survey, released Sunday, is the first Fox News has conducted among likely voters this year and the first time it included running mates in the vote preference question.

    Both tickets have secured the backing of their key voting blocs. Biden leads among women, suburban voters, seniors, millennials, Blacks, and Hispanics. Trump is ahead among men, Whites, rural voters, veterans, White Catholics, and Gen Xers.
    ……..
    Likely voters trust Trump over Biden on just one issue: the economy, by 5 points. Biden is favored on racial inequality (+12), coronavirus (+8), health care (+8), Supreme Court nominations (+7), and immigration (+7 points).

    Voters also trust Biden over Trump on “policing and criminal justice” (+7), while the two are rated about evenly on “maintaining law and order” (Biden +2).
    ……..
    When asked who can bring the country together, likely voters say Biden by a 13-point margin.
    ………
    Overall, majorities favor mail-in voting options due to coronavirus (64 percent) and feel confident those ballots will be counted accurately (55 percent). Most Democrats (71 percent) are confident in an accurate count of mail ballots, while most Republicans are not (60 percent).
    ………
    ………Fifty-four percent view Biden favorably and 45 percent unfavorably. For Trump, it is 46 percent favorable and 53 percent unfavorable. Both running mates made gains since the conventions: 51 percent view Harris favorably, up from 44 percent in August. And 48 percent view Pence positively, up from 41 percent.
    ………
    On the issues, Trump continues to only receive positive job ratings on the economy (53 approve, 46 disapprove). His ratings are lower on foreign policy (46-51), health care (45-53), immigration (45-53), and race relations (40-57). With the exception of the economy, each of the issue approvals is a record high.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  240. Officials: Iran weighs plot to kill U.S. ambassador to South Africa
    …….
    News of the plot comes as Iran continues to seek ways to retaliate for President Donald Trump’s decision to kill a powerful Iranian general earlier this year, the officials said. If carried out, it could dramatically ratchet up already serious tensions between the U.S. and Iran and create enormous pressure on Trump to strike back — possibly in the middle of a tense election season.
    ……..
    It appears that this leak is to counter Biden’s Iran op-ed on CNN.com.

    Rip Murdock (24965f)

  241. Another data point supporting Evolution; Woodward’s tight head shots on 60 Minutes make him look like a chimpanzee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  242. I think that was my point. That and the fact that unless the evil those people are doing today can be pinned on an ideology that was plowed under 30 years ago, it doesn’t seem to interest some people.

    lurker (d8c5bc) — 9/13/2020 @ 12:13 pm

    Ah. Good point. The ideologies are secondary to the real point. Just getting power over everything.

    I’m very sleep deprived so that’s affecting comments a bit.

    Dustin (b232da)

  243. https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/iran-behind-hack-attacks-online-disinformation-campaigns-to-boost-biden/

    Makes sense considering Biden’s previous admin gave Iran everything they wanted as well as rolled over and let Iran rub his belly.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  244. Dustin,

    what’s sleep?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  245. 258. Finally something for me to agree with Rob about.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  246. Trump via the Woodward tapes:

    “I get along very well with Erdogan. Even though you’re not supposed to because everyone says, ‘What a horrible guy.’ But, you know, for me it works out good. It’s funny, the relationships I have, the tougher and meaner they are, the better I get along with them”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  247. A federal judge actually does his duty and rules these usurpations and deprivations done upon us by fiat are unconstitutional. Will the wonders never cease?

    Alas, only those in Pennsylvania will benefit from this judge who actually follows the rule of law.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

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