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8/21/2020

Trump Vows To Send In Law Enforcement Officers To Polling Sites On Election Day

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:28 am



[guest post by Dana]

Unsurprising that he would say this, given that he has repeatedly attempted to undermine the integrity of the election and issued warnings about a “rigged election,” fraudulent mail-in voting, and voter fraud:

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he would send law enforcement officials to polling locations to guard against voter fraud in November’s election, although it’s not clear he has the authority to do so.

“We’re going to have sheriffs, and we’re going to have law enforcement, and we’re going to have, hopefully, US attorneys, and we’re going to have everybody and attorney generals (sic),” Trump said during an interview on Fox News with Sean Hannity.

Trump’s comments come as his campaign works to recruit tens of thousands of volunteers for what Republican officials have said could be their largest poll-watching operation. Even before Trump’s comments, his party’s plans to monitor the polls have sparked charges from Democrats and voting-rights groups that Republicans are gearing up to suppress voting in key states.

In typical Trump fashion, the President has made a claim without first doing his homework, as law professor Steve Vladeck points out:

Federal law expressly prohibits any federal officer from sending “troops or armed men” to any polling place “unless such force be necessary to repel armed enemies of the United States.”

So what Trump is proposing is not just offensive; it’s also illegal.

Vladek references 18 U.S. Code § 592:

Troops at polls U.S. Code

Whoever, being an officer of the Army or Navy, or other person in the civil, military, or naval service of the United States, orders, brings, keeps, or has under his authority or control any troops or armed men at any place where a general or special election is held, unless such force be necessary to repel armed enemies of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both; and be disqualified from holding any office of honor, profit, or trust under the United States.

This section shall not prevent any officer or member of the armed forces of the United States from exercising the right of suffrage in any election district to which he may belong, if otherwise qualified according to the laws of the State in which he offers to vote.

If Trump deployed law enforcement officers to polling sites around the country, how would it not result in legal action from Democrats and how would it not be seen as a direct effort to inhibit, intimidate, and suppress voters?

With that, the White House continues to fortify its position in a pre-emptive strike of casting doubt on the integrity of election if Trump loses:

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany did not commit President Trump to accepting the results of the presidential election, saying the president has been clear that he will “see what happens” in November.

Her comment in a White House news conference came after the president cast doubt on the election results on Monday, when he said, “The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged.”

On Wednesday, McEnany was asked if that comment means the president will not accept the election results if he loses.

“Is the president saying if he doesn’t win this election that he will not accept the results, unless he wins?” an ABC News journalist asked.

“The president has always said he’ll see what happens, and make a determination in the aftermath. It’s the same thing he said last November. He wants a free election, a fair election, and he wants confidence in the results of the election,” McEnany responded, before criticizing states with mass mail-in voting.

The president did indeed give a similar answer in a recent interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace, who asked the president if he would commit to accepting the election results.

“I have to see. Look, you — I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say ‘yes.’ I’m not going to say no and I didn’t last time either,” the president said during the interview.

Lining up his ducks, given there are only 74 days until the election.

–Dana

180 Responses to “Trump Vows To Send In Law Enforcement Officers To Polling Sites On Election Day”

  1. He’s so incredibly transparent. And that’s not a compliment.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. Republicans in key states continue urging voters to cast ballots by mail
    ……
    In one mailer to Arizona Republicans, the state Republican Party encourages people to vote by mail. It has a picture of Trump with a quote of his from July 30 saying, “I will be an absentee voter. We have a lot of absentee voters. It works, so we are in favor of absentee.” It includes a return address label for voters to send this application back directly to the county.

    In North Carolina, Republican voters received a similar mailer also with a picture of the president and the words “Urgent notice.” It also says, “Your official absentee ballot status needs your attention” and includes a quote from July by the president that says “Absentee Ballots are fine because you have to go through a precise process to get your voting privilege.”
    ……
    ……Republicans are warning that the president’s effort to undercut faith in mail-in voting could also undermine himin Arizona, where he is down in polling and will likely need a jolt of support from rural counties, which have historically voted by mail at high rates.

    “President Trump continually calling into question mail-in voting won’t help our numbers in Arizona,” said Barrett Marson, a veteran GOP strategist who is behind DefendArizona, a super PAC backing Sen. Martha McSally’s current Senate bid. “It’s of utmost importance that Republicans trust the mail-in voting system, which we’ve had for a generation, and that they use it.”
    ……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  3. mr. president donald trump, who sees crystal visions and does not keep those visions to himself, will be as competent monitoring the election as he has been with everything else

    you can bank on it

    the only question to ask, really, is how much of the treasury will he take with him when he absconds to russia

    nk (1d9030)

  4. As long as Census Cowboy shows up, those fed boys are gonna run screaming into the lake.

    urbanleftbehind (2435f7)

  5. I’m glad that he’s lazy and incompetent.
    If a competent authoritarian wanted to do this they’d have planned it out 6 months ago, come up with a pretext, and announced it as something that didn’t contradict US law.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  6. An authoritarian would ignore the law.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  7. If a competent authoritarian wanted to do this they’d have planned it out 6 months ago

    Like putting the opposition campaign under surveillance… just brainstorming here.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c7deaa)

  8. Trump vows…

    You could do several posts on those two words alone. Start w/Ivana. Then Marla. Then Melania… and so on, and so on. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. It would be nice to have a president who talks out of his mouth instead of out of his a$$.
    **wistful sigh**

    Paul Montagu (11948b)

  10. 1.He’s so incredibly transparent. And that’s not a compliment.

    Voters are comforted knowing they’re smarter than the cartoon they’re watching.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. @9. We’ve tried 46 times but the Constitution’s Electoral College keeps getting in the way. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. if mr. president donald trump, who uses good ‘n plenty candy to make his train run, were really serious, he would not send federal law enforcement officers to polling sites to monitor the election

    he would send them to Heaven to protect God from mr. joe biden

    that’s what he would do

    nk (1d9030)

  13. So dark, get ready to walk with teh Lightbringer ally.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. Re: Trump

    There, but for the grace of God, go I.

    felipe (023cc9)

  15. Some people just don’t like police…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. 9.It would be nice to have a president who talks out of his mouth instead of out of his a$$.**wistful sigh**

    “No miracle is coming.” -Plagiarist JoeyBee, DNC acceptance speech, 8/20/2020

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. Trump thinks voter fraud looks like the casino smash and grab robbery example from Oceans 11?

    “Wild eyed ex-hippie came rushing into the polling place and grabbed a ballot box, attempting to make off with the votes. Fortunately, the delusional madman was halted in the attempt.”

    Nic (896fdf)

  18. I wonder what the federal laws say about having the NBPP showing up at polling sites.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  19. `he would send them to Heaven to protect God from mr. joe biden

    that’s what he would do
    nk (1d9030) — 8/21/2020 @ 9:30 am

    I have been a catechist for a very long time. In that time I have come to understand that it is not uncommon for a person, out of frustration, to make the mistake of defending God. God does not need defending; a wise man once said “There is no need to defend the Truth, set it free and it will defend itself.”

    It is a profound poverty that the question “have you no fear of God?” is not at most people’s ready. Especially when the question answers itself.

    felipe (023cc9)

  20. Nic at #17 with the impeccable Jack Webb color Dragnet-’65. impression

    urbanleftbehind (2435f7)

  21. If a competent authoritarian wanted to do this they’d have planned it out 6 months ago

    Like putting the opposition campaign under surveillance… just brainstorming here.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c7deaa) — 8/21/2020 @ 9:20 am

    IG report said there was proper predicate.
    Senate report detailed numerous actions that justify a counter intelligence investigation.

    But I’m sure Q will release the evidence to prove your theory correct any day now.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  22. That was rude. I’m sorry I said it.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  23. Most of you should vote for Biden to be consistent with your opinions.

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  24. Do I really think there will be peaceful voting at the polls this Nov 3rd? Will it occur to BLM/Antifa to put in an appearance? Is Trump baiting them? If Trump, somehow, manages a presence of LE at/near the polls, will that draw them? If BLM/Antifa show up whether or not LE is present, will they be the “good guys?”

    felipe (023cc9)

  25. it was garbage from clinesmith. and strzok, and weissman, who destroyed whole companies in the past. of course, they outright lied to judge contreras, and he had the decency to recuse himself but not cancel the plea,

    but as pointed out, the reversals in mcdonnell, stevens, delay, black, had functionally no difference, so ray donovans line, still stands,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  26. @24-
    I’m not voting for President.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  27. Most of you should vote for Biden to be consistent with your opinions.

    Eyefull (fd0e2c) — 8/21/2020 @ 10:01 am

    I disagree. We can hold any number of opinions that disagree with Trump’s view of this, but that does not mean that we should vote for Biden to be consistent. It just means that, while most of us are concerned with Trump attempting to jigger the election himself – through painfully transparent means – or reject the outcome, so too is Biden concerned about that. Perhaps for different reasons, perhaps for the same. But that overlap doesn’t mean that our consistent thoughts must be affirmed by voting for someone we disagree with on policy. *We = generic ‘we’

    Dana (292df6)

  28. @21. Just the facts: There was no “Dragnet ’65.” 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Dana (292df6) — 8/21/2020 @ 10:07 am

    I’m glad you beat me to the punch, Dana. I like your response better than my own.

    felipe (023cc9)

  30. @21 Thank you, I’ll take the compliment.

    Nic (896fdf)

  31. well any vote that empowers the left candidate, does much the same, does garcetti, harris and newsom not make the point crystal clear,

    https://babalublog.com/2020/08/20/jimmy-carter-fidel-castros-old-friend-sure-seems-a-brilliant-judge-of-character-decency-honesty-integrity-and-of-those-who-want-whats-best-for-america/#comments

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  32. @28. It’s all part of the show.

    He’s a showman; he delivers his lines; grabs attention; people watch, react; applaud or boo- it’s entertaining.

    While an angry old man shouting, ‘No miracle is coming’ is not. It’s depressing; dour; defeatist.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. Can’t sell the “mostly peaceful” nitwits who support teh Pony-faced dogf**ker Biden short.

    An appropriate police presence will help deter miscreants.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. no it’s quite serious for me, one finds way to ignore the firestorm of rioting, which weakened whatever was left after this ill considered flatline, which was ferguson’s rx, handed to fauci,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  35. they want you personally disarmed, the mccloskeys are exhibit a, if they can’t do that they can blackball like they tried to nick sandmann, they deplatformed the one who revealed who private maytag really is,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  36. There is no Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, or Easter Bunny, and storks do not bring babies. But there is such a thing as Dr. Seuss, Disneyland, and Mother Goose, God did make little green apples, and it does rain in Indianapolis in the summertime.

    And Covid-19, which is killing 1,200 Americans a day, more than Putin imagined when he ordered
    Trump to let it loose, is not going to just magically disappear.

    nk (1d9030)

  37. To be fair, there have long been suggestions that a Trump WIN would be fraudulent. ANd the Democrats as a whole have #resisted the last election’s outcome.

    Trump does himself and the country no favors here, but it is incorrect to say that he is alone in this, or even the instigator.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  38. And Covid-19, which is killing 1,200 Americans a day, more than Putin imagined when he ordered
    Trump to let it loose, is not going to just magically disappear.

    So, let’s talk again about QAnon.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  39. Like putting the opposition campaign under surveillance…

    But the Trump campaign insisted that Carter Page had nothing to do with them:

    Friday, after Yahoo News reported that Page was being investigated for allegedly meeting with Kremlin officials over the summer, a Trump campaign spokesman denied that Page had ever been part of the campaign.

    “Mr. Page is not an advisor and has made no contribution to the campaign,” the campaign’s communications director Jason Miller said in an email to The Hill. “I’ve never spoken to him, and wouldn’t recognize him if he were sitting next to me.”

    Presented with a statement from a campaign spokesperson in August that characterized Page as an “informal adviser,” albeit one who “does not speak for Mr. Trump or the campaign,” Miller doubled down.

    “He’s never been a part of our campaign. Period,” he said.

    Another spokesman, Steven Cheung, said Page “has no role” in the campaign.

    “We are not aware of any of his activities, past or present,” Cheung added.

    I can’t believe you’d suggest that the Trump campaign was less than forthright with the American people, and with law enforcement, about a matter related to national security, counter-intelligence, and the integrity of the election.

    Why, if they were (gasp) lying, it would suggest they had something to hide, wouldn’t it?

    Unimaginable!

    And note this was a full month before Page was put under electronic surveillance.

    Dave (1bb933)

  40. Besides, we know that COvid-19 is a Chinese attack to destabilize the Trump administration and to wreck havoc with the world economy in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  41. To be fair, there have long been suggestions that a Trump WIN would be fraudulent. ANd the Democrats as a whole have #resisted the last election’s outcome.

    Trump does himself and the country no favors here, but it is incorrect to say that he is alone in this, or even the instigator.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/21/2020 @ 10:34 am

    I think it’s fair to say he’s by far the loudest voice.
    I also think that making opposition to the other parties presidents goals is not the same thing as denying they are lawfully the president.

    Time123 (7cca75)

  42. they wanted to destabilize the west I pointed out the words of general chi haotian, the chief strategist, on these matters going back decades,

    now we dug ourselves into a hole, decades ago, with that ‘mirroring problem’ we think hostile regimes, like china and iran, are somehow amenable to negotiation about the nature of their regime and their impacts on the world,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  43. Expected closing of Trump’s acceptance speech:

    “…and you’re damn right I ordered the Code Red on the postal service…”

    Dave (1bb933)

  44. God, I hope he ad libs the whole thing.

    Dave (1bb933)

  45. It is the investigative officers burden to make the case, so they falsified omitted evidence

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  46. Off by 2 years, point still the same. But this iteration begat Adam 12 which begat Emergency! and ended with CHiPs

    urbanleftbehind (2435f7)

  47. @41: Why, if they were (gasp) lying, it would suggest they had something to hide, wouldn’t it?

    Dave, before you move those goalposts again, why would the FBI lie?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/potentially-another-crime-lindsey-graham-referring-former-fbi-counterintelligence-chief-to-john-durham

    https://tennesseestar.com/2020/08/10/lindsey-graham-memo-shows-fbi-lied-to-senate-about-dossier-source/

    beer ‘n pretzels (05696d)

  48. Trump Vows To Send In Law Enforcement Officers To Polling Sites On Election Day

    Not really.

    Hannity: My question to you then is, are you going to have poll watchers? Are you going to have an ability to monitor, to avoid fraud and cross check whether or not these are registered voters? Whether or not there’s been identification to know that it’s a real vote from a real American?

    TRUMP: We’re going to have everything. We’re going to have sheriffs and we’re going to have law enforcement and we’re going to have hopefully, U.S. attorneys, and we’re going to have everybody, and attorney generals. But it’s very hard.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/21/full_hannity_interview_trump_on_dnc_biden_obama_harris_hillary_mail-in_ballots_police__more.html

    Is Trump saying that he is going to put US attorneys and AGs in polling stations as well? Which stations would they go to?

    In combating “fraud” law enforcement at all levels should be involved. It is easy to get tunnel vision negativity when reviewing a Trump answer as it compares to a stupid Hannity triple question. I think it is a more fair viewing of this exchange to believe that Trump was responding to part of Hannity’s question and not suggesting that he is sending US Attorneys to polling locations but rather he will have them deal with reported fraud.

    I am probably wrong about this.

    BuDuh (fef34b)

  49. Dave, before you move those goalposts again, why would the FBI lie?

    You’re the one trying to change the subject.

    We were talking about your claim that Trump’s campaign was put under surveillance, which I proved false using statements from … Trump’s campaign.

    Dave (1bb933)

  50. Davethulu, I have not forgotten about getting you an answer on “fine people from both sides.” I found a large document that may help me make my case and I have been going through it as time permits. I will tell you either way what I find.

    BuDuh (fef34b)

  51. The DOJ should be five months into a surveillance operation of Biden’s campaign by now, as just part of what’s considered normal.

    beer ‘n pretzels (05696d)

  52. The DOJ should be five months into a surveillance operation of Biden’s campaign by now, as just part of what’s considered normal.

    Too messy. Leaves a paper trail and requires actual evidence.

    Much better to get on the phone to a few countries who need our aid to survive and send Rudy to gin up something deniable on the down-low.

    Dave (1bb933)

  53. I also think that making opposition to the other parties presidents goals is not the same thing as denying they are lawfully the president.

    Here’s Hillary, yesterday, casting doubt on both the upcoming election and the last one:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/19/hillary-clinton-dnc-speech-398893
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/19/hillary-clinton-democratic-national-convention-speech

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. Ot lovecraft country seems interesting for the first episode.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  55. The DOJ should be five months into a surveillance operation of Biden’s campaign by now, as just part of what’s considered normal.

    They could start with a tap on the DNC office phones.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  56. We’re going to have everything. We’re going to have sheriffs and we’re going to have law enforcement and we’re going to have hopefully, U.S. attorneys, and we’re going to have everybody, and attorney generals. But it’s very hard.

    Sad when Trump’s disjointed responses need to explained by Trump fans (only in the most positive light). I take him at his word.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  57. Four year anniversary of “we’ll stop him” and “insurance policy” texts.

    beer ‘n pretzels (05696d)

  58. is not going to just magically disappear.
    nk (1d9030) — 8/21/2020 @ 10:24 am

    I completely agree with you. If only Biden had said “It’s not going to magically disappear!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  59. They could start with a tap on the DNC office phones.

    Or they could get a sympathetic country to hack into the DNC computers and then release embarrassing material for the next few months.

    Oh, wait…

    Dave (1bb933)

  60. This isn’t the first time Trump has called for law enforcement to oversee voting:
    ……..
    The first is that, like so many of Trump’s wild assertions, he has made it before. In August 2016, he gave a speech in Altoona, Pa., in which he pledged to combat what he presented as endemic fraud in the state.

    “We have to call up law enforcement. And we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching,” he said then, later adding another familiar refrain, that “the only way they can beat [me] in my opinion — and I mean this 100 percent — is if in certain sections of the state they cheat, okay?”
    ……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  61. I take him at his word.

    Which polling stations will the AGs be manning?

    BuDuh (fef34b)

  62. Just because someone is incarcerated, doesn’t mean they can’t still exercise certain rights, like voting. Many inmates housed in Los Angeles County jails are still eligible to vote. They are also encouraged to vote, and to express opinions through their ballot choices on issues which affect them and their families.

    During a joint press conference with Sheriff Alex Villanueva, Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department; and Registrar Dean Logan, Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk, the Sheriff introduced the “We All Count” voting campaign.

    https://lasd.org/we-all-count-campaign/

    Someone alert Steve Vladek.

    BuDuh (fef34b)

  63. Who can oversee voting?

    [ ] Law enforcement

    [ X ] Black Panthers

    beer ‘n pretzels (41af45)

  64. Meanwhile, Vladimir continues to show everyone how it’s done:

    Alexei Navalny, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s most prominent opponent, is being permitted to leave Russia, the Associated Press reported on Friday.

    Navalny, who is in a coma after a suspected poisoning, is being transferred to a top German medical facility. Initially, authorities refused requests for Navalny to be flown to Germany for treatment, prompting uproar from the anti-corruption campaigner’s team. Doctors at the hospital in Omsk where Navalny was taken after falling gravely ill said it was too dangerous to move him.

    […]

    And the director of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK), Ivan Zhdanov, said police found traces of a dangerous substance in his system but refused to disclose the name of the substance due to the secrecy of the investigation. But the substance is apparently so dangerous that it has the doctors treating Navalny wearing protective clothing, the Daily Beast reported.

    Definitely style points earned here for poisoning his enemy with something so nasty that it also kills the doctors treating him…

    Dave (1bb933)

  65. Which polling stations will the AGs be manning?

    Like they’re gonna announce that ahead of time …

    smh

    Dave (1bb933)

  66. As long as you and Rip believe the AGs are going to go to polling stations as observers, that is probably all the intimidation Trump needs, Dave. It also may explain your shaking head.

    BuDuh (fef34b)

  67. @53

    “It is 11:00 PM and I am giving my daily checkin on the Malarkey Surveillance Project. At 6 AM what appeared to be a teenager threw what appeared to be a newspaper into the Biden driveway. It landed where the sprinklers partially water the driveway. They should adjust the sprinklers to be more accurately aimed. At 8:00 AM a light went on in what we have determined is the masterbedroom. At 8:05 a light went on in what we have determined to be the master bathroom. At the same time a light went on in the hallway. At approximately 8:28 lights came on in what appears to be the kitchen. Shortly thereafter the smell of bacon began to emanate from the kitchen. We believe the window may have been open. At 9 AM Biden exited the house through the front door and picked up what appears to be a newspaper from the driveway. He immediately returned to the house. He was also carrying a coffee cup and appeared to be wearing cargo shorts, a tshirt, and birkenstocks.

    At 9:30 a person appearing to be Dr. Jill Biden opened the garage door and exited the property via a vehicle we believe to be registered to both Jill and Joe Biden. At 10:00 several masked people appearing to be adults arrived at the property on bicycles and wearing neon skin tight spandex bicycling clothes. They did not appear to be carrying weapons, which was unfortunately easy to determine, so we have concluded they were there to ride bicycles. Former Vice President Biden entered the garage from the house and wheeled a bicycle out of the garage, closing the garage door after him. In violation of safety standards, he did not appear to be wearing a helmet.”

    At 11:00 AM Dr. Jill Biden returned to the house in her vehicle and, on exiting the vehicle, began carrying paper bags into the house. We believe they were groceries. Former Vice President Biden returned to the house with his bicycle gang several minutes later, appeared to say something to the gang, and waved. The other bicyclists left and Mr. Biden joined Dr. Biden in carrying paper bags into the house.

    There was no further activity until 3:30. At 3:30 several of what appear to be small children arrived carrying icecream cones. They proceeded to sit on the steps up to the Biden’s front porch. Mr. Biden exited the house carrying a carton, which, due to video enhancement, we were able to determine was icecream. He appears to have begun a conversation with the probable children. One child became distressed when a drip fell on their shorts, but ceased crying when Mr. Biden spoke to them. At 4:00 the children left and Mr. Biden returned to the house.

    At 6:00 the odor of steak wafted from the back yard. It was determined by other agents that the Bidens were barbecuing. John says they also had corn and potatoes. I had a bag of cheetos and a carrot. At 6:30 the lights went on in the dining room and at 7:15 the lights went off there and the kitchen lights came on. At 8:00 the lights in what we have determined is the TV room came on, as well as the lights in Dr. Biden’s office. At 10:00 the lights in the TV room and the office went off and the lights in what we have determined to be the Master bedroom and bath came on. At 10:45 all lights were turned off. There has been no activity since.”

    Nic (896fdf)

  68. Hillary Rodham Clinton made her national debut in a Life magazine essay in June, 1969; Plagiarist JoeyBee has been in nat’l government since 1972– 48 years.

    Pot. Kettle. Blacks:

    “No miracle is coming.” – Joe Biden 8/20/20

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. 59… “shut up!“

    They said…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. Biden reads a speech with only a few minor garbles and Beltway commentariat declares, byGod… he CAN be president!

    Back to your Basement Bunker, Sl0w J0e!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. Teh next words out of Sl0w J0e’s mouth: “help!!! I’ve fallen and I can’t shave!”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. The feds could give that rat 🐀 effer Tom Perez a life sentence after just scratching the surface of his crimes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  73. Meanwhile, Vladimir continues to show everyone how it’s done:

    Weak.

    I think exporting a virus that poisons millions, then getting the US media and fellow travelers to blame the American president is pretty hard to beat.

    beer ‘n pretzels (f6fadb)

  74. Breaking- Laughlin sentenced to 2 months in prison.

    Lori will do more time than Trump ever will; or Nixon ever did.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. What kind of president does Joe Biden want to be?” ask Chad Aldeman and Alex Spurrier of Bellwether Education Partners. Will he fight for the underdogs or for the teachers’ unions?

    The Democratic Party’s platform, based on a Biden-Sanders ‘unity’ task force’s recommendations, ‘steer Biden away from the coalition of Black and low-income voters who brought him the nomination,’ write Aldeman and Spurrier. ‘Maybe this shouldn’t come as a surprise — given that two of the eight members of the task force are the heads of the two major teachers unions’.

    https://www.joannejacobs.com/2020/08/say-it-aint-so-joe/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  76. @77 Do you, um, know? what a public charter school is?

    Nic (896fdf)

  77. 79… sure do, Sparky!

    Filed under “Pinheaded Academia“…

    A professor who regularly writes about race and health issues recently argued that the stigma surrounding obesity is linked to racism.
    Sabrina Strings, a professor of sociology at the University of California, Irvine told CBS News that the medical community�s approach to weight issues stems from anti-blackness and oppression.

    She told CBS News on August 20:

    We cannot deny the fact that fat-phobia is rooted in anti-Blackness. That’s simply an historical reality. Today, when people talk about it, they often claim that they don’t intend to be anti-Black … they don�t intend all of these negative associations, and yet they exist already, so whenever people start trafficking in fat-phobia, they are inherently picking up on these historical forms of oppression.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/sociology-professor-fat-phobia-is-rooted-in-anti-blackness/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  78. That varies though, although the respective teachers unions have begun to make incursions into the charter networks nationwide. Its reminiscent of how IDOT middle management elected to join the Teamsters after getting no raises during the Blago era.

    urbanleftbehind (2435f7)

  79. @80 What do you think a public charter school is?

    Nic (896fdf)

  80. BuDuh

    In combating “fraud” law enforcement at all levels should be involved. It is easy to get tunnel vision negativity when reviewing a Trump answer as it compares to a stupid Hannity triple question. I think it is a more fair viewing of this exchange to believe that Trump was responding to part of Hannity’s question and not suggesting that he is sending US Attorneys to polling locations but rather he will have them deal with reported fraud.

    I don’t think you’re right. If I want to give him a ‘fair’ reading I’d say

    Trump doesn’t really think about what his words mean, he says them because they sound good in the moment.
    Trump thinks being strong against fraud helps him.
    Trump thinks overwhelming force is the way to go.
    Trump like a ‘muscular’, forceful response.

    It’s probably just puffery and bluster intended to make him look strong.

    But we don’t know.

    Time123 (dba73f)

  81. Biden reads a speech with only a few minor garbles and Beltway commentariat declares, byGod… he CAN be president!

    Back to your Basement Bunker, Sl0w J0e!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/21/2020 @ 11:52 am

    It’s funny you call it a bunker when Trump was very recently hiding in a actual bunker.

    Time123 (dba73f)

  82. Every New York State polling place has a policeman. Sometimes two. For many, many years. They mostly keep themselves out of view. They deliver supplies and take one of the results away. I think it must have been designed to assure the integrity of the results

    http://aceproject.org/electoral-advice/archive/questions/replies/49196295

    Dear Jeff,

    From somewhat close to home, in NY, police officers are an integral part of the electoral process.

    “NY State Election Law, Section 8-104, 6. In the city of New York, during days of primary, general, special and community school board elections, at each premises wherein a polling place or places are located, at least one police officer or peace officer designated by the police commissioner of such city pursuant to the provisions of article two of the criminal procedure law shall be assigned for duty from the opening until the closing of the polls. Additional police officers or peace officers may be assigned as is deemed appropriate by the police commissioner of such city.”

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  83. @84

    It’s funny you call it a bunker when Trump was very recently hiding in a actual bunker.

    Time123 (dba73f) — 8/21/2020 @ 1:05 pm

    Not really. The Secret Service moved Trump to the bunker… not because Trump wanted to go in the bunker.

    whembly (c30c83)

  84. Biden reads a speech with only a few minor garbles and Beltway commentariat declares, byGod… he CAN be president!

    Great point.

    Now do “Person, woman, man, camera, TV.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  85. @87, Trump in the past accused people of things he’s done/is doing. I wonder if this is more of the same.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  86. @86, Was still in the bunker.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  87. Plagiarist JoeyBee has a lot Iin common w/t California power grid; they only operate a few hours at a time then need to shutdown for a rest to save energy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. The Secret Service moved Trump to the bunker

    Trump categorically denied that:

    When asked if the Secret Service tried to take the president to the bunker, he said, “Nope.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  89. Tom Perez needs reminded that America is a nation of mutts; not mud people.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. Now do “Person, woman, man, camera, TV.”

    He probably has; but none are as hot as his daughter Ivanka, eh Davey?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. @91, Dave stop using Trumps statements to try and establish facts. No one believes him. Not even his supporters.

    Time123 (66d88c)

  92. @28

    It is merely opinion that Trump is trying to “jigger” the election, not fact.

    It is also merely opinion that said “jiggering” is “through painfully transparent means.”

    I have no problem with someone having these opinions, but they are not facts. I have a number of Trump hating friends, and they are impossible to talk to. The FIRST thing they always do is get angry or emotional. Facts not allowed.

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  93. 16. DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/21/2020 @ 9:34 am

    “No miracle is coming.” -Plagiarist JoeyBee, DNC acceptance speech, 8/20/2020

    Joe Biden probably doesn’t realize this, and neother do most other people, but he just created a hostage to fortune.

    Suppose the virus does disappear from the United States in October?

    I don’t think Trump would want to bet the other way, and challenge that assertion in a debate, but it would be nice if he did and he won his bet.

    Everybody deserves a comeuppance.

    And then there was Biden saying we need more testing, like Trump could just order it. Actually, yes he could, but that would mean overriding of pressing the FDA, which Biden is dead set against. The problem was Trump saying testing was available when getting the results was not available.

    I think actually a “miracle” is coming.

    We’re heading there.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  94. I said there were places in New York City where 9-% (that’s what I read) of the people had antibodies. And, in addition, someone told me that in Boro Park it was 75% (just the people who took tests of course which may skew it) but nevertheless there was an outbreak of 16 cases in Boro Park, which Mayor de Blasio says may be linked to a large wedding.

    The New York Times reports today antibody positive results somewhat lower than 75% or 80%

    Thw highest antibody positive rate, over 50%, is, suitably, in Corona, Queens. The lowest is in Manhattan south of 96 St. The average for the city is 27%. You get more tests taken where the antibody positive result is higher. 15% of the city as a whole has been tested.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/nyregion/new-york-city-antibody-test.html

    In interviews, epidemiologists have generally expressed surprise and relief at the relatively low rate of new infections in New York City, chalking it up to a variety of measures: widespread use of face coverings, adherence to social distancing recommendations and the continued ban on indoor dining and bars.

    “If antibody tests are accurately identifying those who have been infected and if these antibodies are protective, are some communities in N.Y.C. close to achieving herd immunity, like Corona in Queens, for example,” Professor El-Sadr wrote in an email. “That is an intriguing thought.”

    The results released on Tuesday showed that 51.6 percent of people who got tested in one ZIP code in Corona had tested positive for antibodies….

    ..The hardest hit ZIP code in the city — 11368 — was the one in Corona, a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood with many construction workers and restaurant employees. Many had to work throughout the pandemic, raising their risk of infection.

    About 23 percent of residents in the ZIP code have gotten an antibody test.

    That part of Queens has an especially high rate of household crowding, which may also partly explain the high positive antibody rate. Experts have said transmission within households is a leading driver of the disease’s spread.

    The ZIP code with the second highest rate of positive antibody tests was in the Borough Park neighborhood in South Brooklyn. There, more than 46.8 percent of antibody tests were positive.

    Borough Park is home to many Hasidic Jews, a particularly hard-hit demographic. Large households are common, and the tight-knit, communal way of life was likely also a factor. Many Hasidic Jews fell sick in early March, right after Purim — a holiday of joyous celebration, full of parties and mingling.

    Purim was Tuesday March 10 and the parties would have been in the late afternoon.

    Many synagogues closed at the end of that week, and certainly by the next week. It first broke into the news the week before.

    I think it was seeded by some more “modern” Jews who took vacations in Italy, particularly skiing vacations because the outbreak seems to be linked to skiing. There are a large number of Italians in New York and because of this travel agents sold trips for years – and is common for Israelis too.

    You’d get a connection to other Jews through weddings, funerals and Bar Mitzvahs, not to mention a certain amount of variation in what shul someone attended. It wasn’t exactly African Americans who had the highest rate of infection at first – but that’s not something the Democratic Party is going to notice.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  95. @96-
    “Too dream, the impossible dream”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  96. Having watched a number of Joe’s interactions in brief interviews recently, its hard to imagine he could do such a comparatively excellent job of reading a 22 minute speech last night.

    Just seems unlikely. It would have been entirely possible it was recorded and the live part was when he walked from the building to the crowd in their cars outside.

    But let’s assume he did do it live.

    What now is the reason he can’t interview with Chris Wallace and other street smart reporters, in a 20 minute give and take live interview.

    Will this be happening?

    Eyefull (fd0e2c)

  97. Dave stop using Trumps statements to try and establish facts. No one believes him. Not even his supporters.

    Next week’s convention should amusing as they try to simultaneously convince people that:

    1) Everything is wonderful! 10/10, absolutely tremendous.

    2) Nothing is Trump’s fault!

    Dave (1bb933)

  98. Kamala Harris, although visibly black and associating with blacks is culturally more a high class Hindu, not Jamaican. Her mother was a high class Brahmin from Tamil Nadu, many of whom emigrated to the United States because of India’s socialist policies and obstacles to advancement posed by affirmative action.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/16/world/asia/kamala-harris-india.html

    ..In terms of India’s caste system, the family was at the top of the heap. They were Tamil Brahmins, an elite subculture known as TamBrahms….

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-kamala-harris-isnt-saying-about-her-mothers-background-11597944590

    Originating in Tamil Nadu, on the southern tip of the Indian subcontinent, Tamil Brahmins, known colloquially as Tambrams, are thought to number fewer than two million world-wide. Though precise numbers don’t exist, scholars estimate the group’s size in the U.S. at about 50,000, a small fraction of the four million strong Indian-American community. Another 50,000 are scattered in other countries, including the U.K., Canada and Australia.

    Like most Indian-Americans, Tambrams are relatively recent immigrants. Most came to the U.S. after Congress eased immigration rules in 1965. But they have produced two Nobel Laureates in the sciences, a clutch of prominent business leaders, including former PepsiCo CEO Indra Nooyi and Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai, and too many prominent doctors, engineers and academics to count.

    What explains this? To begin with, historically Tambrams occupied the pinnacle of society in the Tamil-speaking region in southern India. As hereditary Hindu priests, they benefited from centuries of literacy, and many were significant landowners as well. Under British rule, the community quickly took to English education. Over time, many Tambrams rose to occupy trusted positions in the colonial government, where they developed a reputation for probity and for being sticklers for rules.[ Others took to modern professions such as law, engineering and medicine.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  99. WILMINGTON, DE—Fans nervously gathered by the dozens on Thursday to hear Joe Biden’s historic acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention. After 20 minutes, supporters and Democrats across the nation were blown away by Biden’s ability to make it through a coherent speech without forgetting who he was or falling asleep.

    As the Biden delivered his final words, Democrats exhaled and erupted in rapturous applause, their abysmal expectations shattered.

    “I can’t believe it! He actually did it!” one campaign staffer exclaimed. “It’s taken weeks to prepare for this event. We had to make sure and remove any distractions, such as heads of hair, or shiny objects from the stage. We surrounded him with teleprompters which included colorful pictures. He practiced reading the speech 1,200 times. We’ve been pumping him full of various drugs for 3 days to keep him more lucid. All our hard work paid off!”

    “This is an inspiring story of bravery and strength in the face of senility,” said NBC anchor Chuck Todd. “If Biden did this, imagine what he can do for this country!” Todd said through tears of joy.

    “What did I miss?” asked Biden after walking down the steps of the stage as fireworks exploded in the sky.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-exceeds-all-expectations-by-speaking-coherently-for-over-20-minutes

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. More:

    In the 20th century, as political and economic upheaval drove Tamil Brahmins from towns and villages to cities, the community developed a cult of learning. M.R. Rangaswami, a California-based technology investor who founded Indiaspora, an advocacy group that seeks strong U.S.-India relations, recalls growing up in Madras (now called Chennai) in the 1960s and 1970s, in a Tamil Brahmin community that revered the mathematical genius Srinivasa Ramanujan (1887-1920) rather than the usual movie stars.

    Ms. Nooyi credits her success in corporate America to her strict and frugal Tamil Brahmin upbringing in Madras. In a phone interview, she recalls a community for which “education was everything.”

    Children weren’t allowed to be even five minutes late for school or to talk back to elders. Grandfathers supplemented homework with extra math problems and spelling tests. “As a conservative Tamil Brahmin, you could forget about fashion or having a social life,” said Ms. Nooyi. “When you weren’t studying, you were focused on classical music and dance, and on reading as much as you possibly could.”

    In her book, Ms. Harris airbrushes her mother’s community from her story. The words Tamil and Brahmin don’t appear at all. At one point the senator mentions that Gopalan won an award for her singing in India, but not that it was for Carnatic music, a classical art form closely associated with Tamil Brahmins.

    At one level, this omission is understandable. The senator is a U.S. politician appealing to American voters. She has no obligation to know about her mother’s ancestral community, much less to recount its story.

    But the Tamil Brahmin story also undercuts many of the pieties of the U.S. left. How do you characterize America as a land of oppression when so many immigrants have clearly experienced it as a land of opportunity?

    The Indian policies that spurred Tambram migration also offer a cautionary tale. Socialism, adopted at independence in 1947, created so few jobs that within two decades educated Indians began streaming to the West. Even today, the middle-class dream for many Indians begins with emigrating.

    Add to this the pitfalls of identity politics. Beginning in the early 20th century, anti-Brahminism became a hallmark of Tamil politics. Numerically larger castes—Brahmins accounted for only 2.5% of the population—mobilized on the basis of group identity. In the 1960s they introduced sweeping quotas in education and government employment that forced many Tambrams to seek opportunities elsewhere.

    The identity entrepreneurs who dominate Tamil Nadu politics justify reverse discrimination—7 in 10 college admissions and government jobs in the state have long been filled using quotas—on grounds of historical grievance. It’s undeniable that Tambrams had advantages, and many of their ancestors held views about social hierarchy that rightly grate on our modern sensibilities. Nonetheless, the community’s marginalization and migration is also a textbook example of the folly of pushing identity politics too far.

    Kamala Harris may have lied abbout her grandfather’s support for independence:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/16/world/asia/kamala-harris-india.html

    Ms. Harris wrote in her memoir that he had been part of India’s independence movement, but other family members said he had never mentioned this. Had he openly campaigned, like Mohandas K. Gandhi or other freedom fighters, to break off from Britain, he might not have gotten too far with his British bosses.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  101. @104-
    Lied or misremembered? I can’t count the number of times “family lore” was wrong on Antiques Roadshow.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  102. A New Jersey election has been invalidated by a judge, and a new election has been ordered to be held, due to rampant mail-in voter fraud.

    On Wednesday, State Superior Court Judge Ernest Caposela ruled that the election for a Paterson City Council seat had been irreversibly tainted. A new election has been ordered to take place in November.

    The mayor of Paterson praised the ruling. “It was the right ruling,” Mayor Andre Sayegh told CNN. “That past election was fraught with fraud.”

    Four people were charged with criminal conduct in connection to the fraudulent election, including a Paterson councilman and the councilman-elect.

    Michael Jackson, 48, of Paterson—1st Ward Councilman and Council Vice President, was charged with Fraud in Casting Mail-In Vote (3rd Degree), Unauthorized Possession of Ballots (3rd Degree), Tampering with Public Records (3rd Degree), and Falsifying or Tampering with Records (4th Degree).

    Alex Mendez, 45, of Paterson—3rd Ward Councilman-Elect, was charged with Election Fraud (2nd Degree), Fraud in Casting Mail-In Vote (3rd Degree), Unauthorized Possession of Ballots (3rd Degree), False Registration or Transfer (Third-Degree), Tampering with Public Records (3rd Degree), and Falsifying or Tampering with Records (4th Degree).

    Shelim Khalique, 51, of Wayne, N.J., was charged with Fraud in Casting Mail-In Vote (3rd Degree), Unauthorized Possession of Ballots (3rd Degree), Tampering with Public Records (3rd Degree), and Falsifying or Tampering with Records (4th Degree).

    Abu Razyen, 21, of Prospect Park, N.J., was charged with Fraud in Casting Mail-In Vote (3rd Degree) and Unauthorized Possession of Ballots (3rd Degree).

    https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/08/21/we-told-you-so-new-jersey-election-invalidated-because-of-mail-in-voter-fraud-n823582

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  103. Rush Limbaugh went through the issue of was it taped.

    The speech does have flubs and verbal missteps. It wasn’t perfectly delivered.

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/08/21/did-you-hear-all-these-flubs-in-bidens-speech

    RUSH: Now, here’s sound bite number 7, and I just want to share with you way Cookie characterized this on the roster, the sound bite roster for me. She said here, “Biden slurs his way through tortured, deer-in-headlights speech.” Now, we are discussing here… There are a lot of people I’ve heard from day who think that thing was too perfect, and they’re wondering how it was done.

    The premise is that Biden is not capable of doing 22 minutes straight like that in one take perfectly. Very few people actually are, but particularly Biden because of the evidence that we have seen. Even with the words on the prompter, you still have to stay focused. You have to maintain the cadence with whoever’s running the prompter, you have to keep up with it. You meaning Biden, the performer….

    …So here’s a segment of just 50 seconds, and we don’t have the video to go with it. This is just the audio. In this little segment, he staring at the prompter, looking scared. This is Cookie’s interpretation, not mine. Looking scared, slurred his way through. I don’t know. We’ll have to see if there’s slurs in here. Every line, she says, seemed labored. He said, “There’s never been anything we’ve been able to accomplish when we’ve done it together.” That’s the line that he screwed up. [that Rush had noticed last night]

    It should have said, “There’s never been anything we haven’t been able to accomplish when we’ve done it together.” But he said, “There has never been anything we’ve been able to accomplish when we’ve done it together.” It’s a tiny error that most people aren’t gonna catch until they see the transcript. Goes by too fast in real time to catch it. Here’s the bite. See what you think.

    BIDEN: For all the young people who’ve known only America being of — in rising inequity, and the undeniable urealities and just the accelerating threats of climate change. No rhetoric is needed. Taking in-insurance away from more than 20 million people, including more than 15 million people on Medicaid. Each of us have a purpose of a–in our lives. With an edu-ucashion system, and for the elderly to stay in their homes. Social Security is a sacred obligation. And whether it’s the exidential — existential threat, to restore the promise of America. No one’s been tougher on the big banks and the gum — and the gun lobby. Spewing the same– same anti-Semitic bile. It was some, with a someone. And there, there’s never been anything we’ve been able to accomplish when we’ve done it together.

    RUSH: Now, did you hear all the flub-ups in that? Do you remember hearing them when you watched it last night? No. You don’t, do you? I’m not trying to say anything cosmic here, don’t misunderstand. See, I’m at a disadvantage every day because my hearing is horrible, folks. I rely 90% on closed-captioning. I cannot trust that what I’m hearing is accurate. So I’m watching it last night, but I’ve got the captioning on.

    I heard every one of those screw ups, but I didn’t trust that they were screw ups; I don’t know whether to blame my hearing or not. For example, “For all the young people who’ve known only America being of — in rising inequity and the undeniable uralities.” I didn’t hear, but that’s what it said — what is a urality? U-r-a-l-i-t-i-e-s. “For all the young people who have known only America being of — in rising inequity and the undeniable uralities and just accelerating threats of climate change.” [realities?]

    It was disjointed. It was senseless. It didn’t make sense. Now, I can’t trust my hearing enough to know when this stuff’s going by that I’m actually hearing it. So I trust the closed-captioning. Now that I hear, there are countless errors, spoken errors. Now, this is a montage. So this is not, you know, a set bite from beginning to end. We took various elements of the speech and, you know, edited them together here. This is not one solid segment. “With an edu-ucashion system and for elderly to stay in their homes, Social Security’s sacred obligation whether it’s the exidential – existential.” I didn’t hear any of that. So I didn’t hear any of that, then I tuned to the post-speech analysis and I’m hearing how great it is. That doesn’t sound so magically great to me.

    Bloomberg by the way, delivered sentences with the right intonation, but the paragraphs weren;t linked like they should be.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  104. 105 – nailed it on Antiques Roadshow.

    mg (8cbc69)

  105. When yer right You. Are. Right.

    What have the Democrats done to solve ANYTHING? Help the poor? No. Help black & brown people? No. Stop police brutality? No. Help single mothers? No. Help children? No. You have achieved nothing. NOTHING. Why did people vote Trump? Because of you motherf*ckers.

    — – Rose McGowan

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. 104. Oh its possible Kamala Harris just got it wrong about hr grandfather. (except that’s what current day academic opinion says he should have been, so there;s a reason to say things that way)

    Got it wrong, maybe. But this was a book, and people tend to check more what they put in a book.

    I guess it depends on what you think is more likely for Kamala Harris to do. Think by mistake that her grandfather was active in India’s independence movement, or tell a lie.

    Sammy Finkelman (db2a13)

  107. @106-
    The system worked.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  108. You are the season of darkness. @JoeBiden @dnc You are monsters. You are frauds. You are the lie.

    — – Rose McGowan

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. @109 That’s amazing… and she’s not wrong.

    whembly (c30c83)

  110. Well, I guess Smash Mouth’s gonna get their Cali card revoked…and praying for Gryph in his heavy matters not related to masks:

    http://news.yahoo.com/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-tied-coronavirus-002612074.html

    urbanleftbehind (2435f7)

  111. She best watch herself, carports only, no garage doors.

    urbanleftbehind (2435f7)

  112. When yer right You. Are. Right.

    What have the Democrats done to solve ANYTHING? Help the poor? No. Help black & brown people? No. Stop police brutality? No. Help single mothers? No. Help children? No. You have achieved nothing. NOTHING. Why did people vote Trump? Because of you motherf*ckers.

    — – Rose McGowan

    It is pretty outrageous that the Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency for 2 years and the Presidency and Senate for 2 more and yet did nothing. Shame.

    Manotaur (0c90cd)

  113. “Dear #Iran,” McGowan wrote in her first post. “The USA has disrespected your country, your flag, your people.” She said that “52% of us humbly apologize,” though it was unclear what that percentage was in reference to.

    “We want peace with your nation,” McGowan continued. “We are being held hostage by a terrorist regime. We do not know how to escape. Please do not kill us.”

    Davethulhu (38c6a7)

  114. It’s fascinating to see people on this blog complain about authoritarianism but applaud it with regard to statewide mask mandates. Similar lack of consistency that people on this site show towards deficit spending unless it’s spending by the post office where 25 billion is declared a “pittance”.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  115. Rose McGowan is a cocaine-addled Hollywood trollop, whose femininity is even more questionable than her morals, mad that Megyn Kelly got $20 million from Fox (not to mention a movie with Charlize Theron) just by swinging her hips, while she only got $100,000 from Harvey Weinstein and she had to go all the way for that.

    nk (1d9030)

  116. Oh, and conspiracy theories, where conspiracy theories are condemned unless they are conspiracy theories posed by posters on this site.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  117. Cons And Piracy: The Story Of A Fifth Avenue Fancy Boy And His Rich Jerkoff Cronies. An unauthorized biography of Donald J. Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  118. More proof of the Roy Cohn theory:
    http://consequenceofsound.net/2020/08/trump-rolling-stones-ymca-rallies/

    urbanleftbehind (bc3674)

  119. Sumter mayoral candidate accused of faking her own kidnapping, beating for publicity

    Around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, Belcher reported to police that she was assaulted and kidnapped by a man she didn’t know, who also tried to rob her.
    She said she was injured and the man broke out her car windows during the attack. Crews took Belcher to the hospital to be treated and she was released.
    Later, investigators discovered she was in contact with her alleged attacker, Eaddy, and had planned it with him days ahead of time.
    Police say she admitted to faking the crime.
    Police also accused Belcher of trying to smear a political opponent during the fake Facebook Live attack, and planning to smear other candidates ahead of the election.

    https://www.wistv.com/2020/08/20/sumter-mayoral-candidate-accused-faking-her-own-kidnapping-beating-publicity/

    Steve Vladeck May want to call those cops and tell them to quit meddling in elections.

    BuDuh (35939c)

  120. Former Army Special Forces Officer Charged in Russian Espionage Conspiracy
    ……
    According to court documents, from December 1996 to January 2011, Peter Rafael Dzibinski Debbins, 45, a former member of the U.S. Army, allegedly conspired with agents of a Russian intelligence service. During that time, Debbins periodically visited Russia and met with Russian intelligence agents. In 1997, Debbins was assigned a code name by Russian intelligence agents and signed a statement attesting that he wanted to serve Russia.
    ……
    Over the course of the conspiracy, Debbins allegedly provided the Russian intelligence agents with information that he obtained as a member of the U.S. Army, including information about his chemical and Special Forces units. In 2008, after leaving active duty service, Debbins disclosed to the Russian intelligence agents classified information about his previous activities while deployed with the Special Forces. Debbins also provided the Russian intelligence agents with the names of, and information about, his former Special Forces team members so that the agents could evaluate whether to approach the team members to see if they would cooperate with the Russian intelligence service.

    Debbins is charged with conspiring to provide United States national defense information to agents of a foreign government. If convicted, Debbins faces a maximum penalty of life in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.
    …….
    Life in prison is too short a sentence.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  121. Wow, this Belcher lady is even fatter than Trump!

    nk (1d9030)

  122. why did it take 9 years to catch him, along with this mortal combat character, who was a translator for the bureau,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  123. she generates her own gravity well, so what was this move against bannon really about, it’s about his anti eu stance, and support for chinese opposition figure, miles guo, who has been a thorn in xi’s lo mein,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  124. Bannon will plead guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the court on November 4. Meantime, he’ll play Vinnie Barbarino for all it’s worth. This sounds like a cut-and-dried case, for guilty or innocent, the money either went to the wall or it did not.

    nk (1d9030)

  125. Like putting the opposition campaign under surveillance… just brainstorming here.

    Only Page and Manafort (who betrayed the United States, working with a Russian spy) were surveiled. The others who made suspicious contacts with Putin people were investigated.
    It’s funny that so many Trump people had so many contacts with Russians and so few interactions other foreign nationals. You’d think that a federal counterintelligence agency might wonder why.

    Paul Montagu (11948b)

  126. #132 this is a classic example of a conspiracy theory that passes without comment from any of you. They did not betray the United States. Anybody who claims they did does not understand the definition of the word treason and does not believe in the rule of law. You are inventing a non existent crime and convicting them in your own mind.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  127. Its just embarassing how he still keeps stepping on a rake, wise dave.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  128. 133… He’s just trying to be even-handed. Show him the man and he’ll show you teh crime.

    But, seriously… it’s a problem, this excuse-making for surveillance and weaponizing the fed bureaucracy is laughable.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  129. It’s fascinating to see people on this blog complain about authoritarianism but applaud it with regard to statewide mask mandates.

    “Authoritarianism”

    LOL.

    Dave (1bb933)

  130. The ccp was all for the lockdown, particularly in italy.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1137071087920066560

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  131. Much better than 900 pages

    https://apelbaum.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/gir-linkage.jpg

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  132. Or they could get a sympathetic country to hack into the DNC computers

    Debunked until there was no bunk left. I thought we were opposed to wild conspiracy theories.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  133. Well its in a govt report but it must the hawaiian shirt suited folk.

    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/fire/news/read.cfm?id=261114

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  134. They wouldnt go after someone wrongly after all

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1296564025988386816

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  135. The president of the police association in Minneapolis says 1500 businesses were severely impacted and $500M in damage caused by the mostly peaceful protestors.

    In his opinion, the Democrat Party has declared war on law enforcement in the large, Democrat-controlled cities of America.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. Governor Walz(D) of Minnesota… he has not rescinded his endorsement of this out-of-control corksoaker…

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/unity-event-canceled-due-to-threats-of-violence.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  137. They did not betray the United States.

    I didn’t say “they”, 1DM, I said Manafort. One person.
    Note also that I didn’t say that Manafort committed treason, because treason has a specific constitutional meaning. Nevertheless, when it’s probable that when you know that the person you’re passing internal polling data to is a Russian spy, you’re betraying your country. Manafort betrayed the United States of America by helping Putin.

    Paul Montagu (11948b)

  138. Hes a businessman doing deals with weber or podeata who actually did the lobbying steele worked for the same business partner, he hired some drunk russians and passed it off as intelligence. What a farking waste of everybodys time.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  139. Hes a businessman doing deals with weber or podeata who actually did the lobbying steele worked for the same business partner, he hired some drunk russians and passed it off as intelligence. What a farking waste of everybodys time.

    Nice spin. Manafort would’ve been in deeper sh*t had Kilimnik not fled Ukraine into Putin’s warm embrace. The big “crime” that Weber and Podesta committed was not registering under the FARA.

    Paul Montagu (11948b)

  140. If you examine every lobbyist on k street, how many do you think are dodging taxes, he was targeted because he worked for trump, for the evil job of delegate selection.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  141. Look what we have here,

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1297006077586935808

    Apparently these guys didnt see anything wrong with him.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  142. Debunked until there was no bunk left. I thought we were opposed to wild conspiracy theories.

    It’s an established fact that the Russians hacked the DNC (and did many other things) to help elect Trump.

    Read the Republican Senate Report:

    The Senate Intelligence Committee released on Tuesday a new bipartisan report explaining how Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, revealing new information about contacts between Russian officials and associates of President Donald Trump during and after the campaign.

    Tuesday’s report, which was released with redactions, is the fifth volume the committee has released detailing its findings, with previous chapters examining Russia’s social media campaign and affirming that Russia was seeking to help Trump’s campaign.

    Why you feel the need to deny any of this is beyond me.

    Dave (1bb933)

  143. Just garbage, the dems have been russian enablers in word and deed going back to the 70s, dodd and biden preeminent Among them

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  144. Now thats interesting what would have happened in marx life had been shortened, more to the point how about lenins. Dulles could have done the world a great favor by not going for the mixed diubles tennis date and having the swiss authorities apprehending hinm

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  145. #145. You are wrong Paul, you have no idea what you are talking about. Paul Manafort did no damage whatsoever to this country. I have spent my entire life dealing with national security issues. You are making crap up. Note that he was not indicted for any damage he supposedly did to this country and you cannot show any. He was convicted of tax and bank fraud, not for passing damaging information to the Russians. You would have been perfectly at home with China’s Red Guards enforcing the cultural revolution for crime think.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  146. All Al Capone was indicted for was tax evasion, too.

    nk (1d9030)

  147. Hah, they hired a real russian spy to lecture them
    https://mobile.twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1296928180872380416

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  148. The Obama Administrations policies toward Iran did far more real damage to the United States than anything Paul Manafort could hope to do. Free trade policies toward China have done far more damage to the United States. If you want to focus on betrayal of the country, focus on the policies that allow foreign nations to do real actual damage.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  149. Unserious people dave, the media grills general flynn while letting moles from china and russia the run of the place

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  150. China’s actions against the United States are much more sophisticated, far more effective and far more dangerous than anything the Russians are doing. “But Russia interfered in our elections”. This is ridiculous, how many votes did they influence, 50? 100? China’s ongoing propaganda and influence over our media, Hollywood, Colleges and Universities and the Democratic Party are a Clear and Present Danger. It is a shame that people on this site are so focused on trivial issues while ignoring the real existential threats.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  151. So have they had him undersurveillance xonsidering hes been spying for more than 20 years

    https://mobile.twitter.com/WylieNewmark/status/1297017239418404864

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  152. External Threats to the U.S. :
    1. China
    2. Iran
    3. N. Korea.
    4. Islamic extremists.

    I

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  153. 161… yes, and a useful idiot in at least one case.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  154. even the russians would embarassed though,

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1295934744165679104.html

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  155. If you examine every lobbyist on k street, how many do you think are dodging taxes, he was targeted because he worked for trump, for the evil job of delegate selection.

    Manafort wasn’t a lobbyist, he was a political consultant and campaign advisor to dictators who worked for a pro-Putin political party in Ukraine and pro-Putin president who was responsible for mass killing in the Maidan.
    As for Weber and Podesta, as I recall Podesta worked for Hillary and he lost his business after the election. How was Podesta “targeted because he worked for Trump”?

    Paul Montagu (11948b)

  156. he lobbied for ukraine, and savimbi and marcos and the saudis,

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/08/npr-hatemongers-and-antifa-media-elite-kenneth-r-timmerman/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  157. they didn’t even touch him, even though he lobbied for russians nuclear arm, and one of the most corrupt russian banks,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  158. being you are fusion flakes consumers,

    https://streetwiseprofessor.com/california-boom-boom-out-go-the-lights/#comments

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  159. And a new conspiracy theory is born! (h/t Drudge)

    Trump calls FDA part of ‘deep state’ & accuses drug administration of slow-walking vaccine tests until after election

    Donald Trump has called the FDA part of the “deep state” and accused the drug administration of slow-walking vaccine test until after the election.

    The president made the conspiracy comments about the Food and Drug Administration in an early morning Twitter rant on Saturday, despite the fact that he nominated the head of the agency, Dr Stephen Hahn.

    […]

    But Trump claims that the FDA is trying to block efforts to immunize American people until after the November election where his handling of the pandemic is a key point of discussion.

    He tweeted: “The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics.

    That’s the problem with miracles, isn’t it? So damn unpredictable!

    Dave (1bb933)

  160. You are wrong Paul, you have no idea what you are talking about. Paul Manafort did no damage whatsoever to this country.

    No, you’re wrong, 1DM, and I’m making nothing up. Manafort wasn’t indicted for criminal conspiracy because Mueller didn’t have sufficient evidence, in part because Manafort lied and stonewalled, and a key witness–the indicted Kilimnik–fled to Russia. The internal polling data reportedly included information on Wisconsin, Michigan, PA and Minnesota, three of which Trump happened to win by narrow margins, and this is straight from the Mueller report.

    Second, Manafort briefed Kilimnik on the state of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s plan to win the election. That briefing encompassed the Campaign’s messaging and its internal polling data . According to Gates, it also included discussion of “battleground” states , which Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.

    Manafort literally gave a Russian spy Trump’s battle plan for beating Hillary. If were at war Russia, Manafort should’ve gotten a lethal injection for treason.

    Paul Montagu (11948b)

  161. #175 None of that does any damage to national security except in your fevered imagination.

    1DaveMac (4cc9b4)

  162. Fever dreams, Paul.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  163. serious oleander, coronello, as you see from the various links relating how gospodin debbins got away with espionage and propaganda for nearly 20 years, that we know of,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  164. None of that does any damage to national security except in your fevered imagination.

    That’s your opinion, 1DM. Aiding a Russian spy to help Putin get his preferred candidate is exactly a national security problem, and it’s exactly why there was an FBI counterintelligence investigation.

    Fever dreams, Paul.

    Noted, that you feel directly from the Mueller report is “fever dreams”.

    Paul Montagu (11948b)

  165. Typo.
    …feel that quoting directly…

    Paul Montagu (11948b)


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