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8/7/2020

Joe Biden Does It Again

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:57 am



[guest post by Dana]

Joe Biden is attempting to clarify some questionable remarks he made yesterday during an interview with NPR’s Garcia Navarro. The Democratic presumptive nominee suggested that the nation’s Black community lacks the diversity of the Hispanic community:

Here is the relevant portion of the interview (I’ve included a longer lead-in than is in the video):

Lulu Garcia-Navarro: (31:30) I have a few questions that I’d just like to get through because they are incredibly important to the Latino community. First of all, you are extending TPS, temporary protected status, to Venezuelans. Cubans though, are now being deported in unprecedented numbers. Would you stop those deportations?

Joe Biden: (31:48) What I said, I’m going to look at every single country in the world that in fact is being… and this guy’s sending them back. The reason why I came up with Venezuela is he not even allowing it to exist in the first place. And so the TPS program is something I will move on the first day I’m in office to make sure that we extend it to people. For too long we didn’t get it right, but here’s the deal. I think that we should be extending it. Anybody can prove that they are in jeopardy to go back to their country and the reason they came in the first place. They should be able to stay in the United States of America until the circumstance changes in our country. And that’s why, by the way, I put that program together to provide… Oh, go ahead. I’m sorry.

Lulu Garcia-Navarro: (32:41) No. No. Are you going to reengage with Cuba though? I mean, I’m specifically wondering about the Florida communities that are incredibly interested in the Cuba issue and see status given to Venezuelans while Cubans are being deported. So will you engage with Cuba?

Joe Biden: (33:03) The answer is yes. Yes. Yes. And by the way, what you all know, but most people don’t know, unlike the African American community with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community, with incredibly different attitudes about different things. You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration in certain places than you do when you’re in Arizona. So it’s a very different, a very diverse community.

Before Biden’s attempted clarification, campaign advisor Symone Sanders tried to tamp down any blowback:

If you look at the full video and transcript, it’s clear that Vice President Biden was referring to diversity of attitudes among Latinos from different Latin American countries. The video that is circulating is conveniently cut to make this about racial diversity but that’s not the case.

However, when Biden attempted to clarify his comments, he once again contrasted Latino and Black Americans explicitly on the topic of national and cultural origin:

“We can build a new administration that reflects the full diversity of our nation. The full diversity of the Latino communities,” Biden said. “Now when I mean full diversity, unlike African American community, many other communities, you’re from everywhere. From Europe. From the tip of South America, all the way to our border and Mexico and in the Caribbean. And different backgrounds, different ethnicities, but all Latinos.”

And last night, in a series of tweets, he made further efforts to clean up his mess:

Yesterday’s mishap was preceded by Biden snapping at a Black reporter who asked whether he had taken a cognitive test like President Trump:

Errol Barnett: (37:41) Mr. Vice President, your opponent in this election, President Trump, has made your mental state a campaign topic. And when asked in June, if you’d been tested full cognitive decline, you’ve responded that you’re constantly tested in effect because you’re in situations like this on the campaign trail. But please clarify specifically, have you taken a cognitive test?

Joe Biden: (38:04) No, I haven’t taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test? Come on man. That’s like saying, “Before you got in this program, if you take a test where you’re taking cocaine or not. What do you think? Huh? Are you a junky?”

Errol Barnett: (38:17) What do you say to President Trump who brags about his test and makes you a message say an issue for voters?

Joe Biden: (38:27) Well, if he can’t figure out the difference between an elephant and a lion, I don’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Did you watch that? Look, come on, man. I know you’re trying to goad me, but I mean, I’m so forward-looking to have an opportunity to sit with the President or stand with the President in debates. There going to be plenty of time. And by the way, as I joke with him… I shouldn’t say it. I’m going to say something I probably shouldn’t say. Anyway, I am very willing to let the American public judge my physical as well as my mental fitness and to make a judgment about who I am and what state of affairs I have, what kind of physical shape I’m in, what kind of mental shape I’m in.

Of course, Trump seized on the opening provided by Biden:

And he continued his attack this morning:

These latest gaffes follow Biden’s admonishment of Black voters when he told them earlier this year: “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” He then later blamed his foot-in-mouthiness on Black radio show host Charlamagne tha God for having “set him up”.

Also, during his run for the nomination, he implied that “poor kids” are Black or Brown:

“We have this notion that somehow if you’re poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

He paused, then quickly clarified, “wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids.”

His racial pandering is nothing new.

Meanwhile, although Biden still leads Trump in most polls, it’s by a lesser margin:

Less than three months ahead of November’s election, polling averages show the presumptive Democratic nominee’s advantage dropped roughly 3 points between late June and early August.

The latest figure, released by news site and data aggregator Real Clear Politics (RCP), placed Biden’s lead over Trump at 6.4 points as of Thursday. The number averaged national election survey results collected between July 21 and August 5.

One month earlier, RCP’s national averages pointed to a 9-point Biden lead, as Trump’s approval ratings dropped amid resurgences in coronavirus cases, soaring unemployment and the federal government’s response to the Black Lives Matter protests occurring across the country.

Biden and Trump have committed to three debates. Anticipating a surge in early voting, the Trump campaign had requested a fourth debate, but that request was turned down by the Debate Commission. There are concerns that, if Biden’s lead holds, he might back out of the debates. There have also been calls to end presidential debates altogether.

88 days until the election…

–Dana

134 Responses to “Joe Biden Does It Again”

  1. Sigh.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. I don’t think this hurts Biden too much. Trump is viewed as a hardened racist who has openly courted support from the white nationalist movement. I think woke leftists paying attention to this are going to have an easy time voting for Biden as the lesser evil

    If I had a higher opinion of Biden and his team I’d start to wonder if this was intentional. Purposefully making mistakes by wording ideas in a way that insulting to the woke in order to make him seem less radical to the middle.

    I think it’s just Biden has antiquated and insulting views of black America and is saying stupid stuff.

    But it does undercut the message that he’s some sort of Woke Antifa radical.

    Similarly, i don’t think Trumps bizarre statements about religion hurt him. The people that would be most motivated by that sort of mistake have made up their minds that Trump is the least bad choice.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  3. There is zero chance Biden wrote his “series of tweets”.

    As dumb as Trump’s tweets are, at least he writes them. How long can the Slow Joe superfans defend this Weekend at Bernie’s routine with a straight face?

    beer ‘n pretzels (9937ff)

  4. Trump is viewed as a hardened racist who has openly courted support from the white nationalist movement

    Is that your view, or is it some of your usual “some say” malarkey ?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  5. Biden is in serious decline. Propping him up helps no one.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. I think that both Trump and Biden are nothing more than figureheads for the mother figures that really run things. No more leaders than the bellwether ewe, the lead steer, or the Judas goat are really the leaders of the placidly grazing herds fated to be milked, shorn and eaten.

    nk (1d9030)

  7. Elder abuse, plain and simple…Jill Biden should be charged under TITLE 31 CHAPTER 39. Adult Protective Services (Delaware Statutes) for starters

    Horatio (301838)

  8. “Earlier today, I made some comments about diversity in the African American and Latino communities that I want to clarify. In no way did I mean to suggest the African American community is a monolith—not by identity, not on issues, not at all. — Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) August 7, 2020″

    IDIOT.

    “Except for a single, very powerful radio emission aimed at Jupiter, the 4-million-year-old black monolith has remained completely inert, its origin and purpose a total mystery.” – Dr. Heywood Floyd [William Sylvester] ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’ 1968

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. I think this does hurt Biden quite a bit.

    It’s evidenced by both the spin in the immediate aftermath and the walkback on the next day.

    Lot’s of Ad worthy material here…

    whembly (c30c83)

  10. yes it does hurt Biden. Black people under 45-or-so don’t want anything to do with him and this solidifies that. The older folks of all colors are groaning and shaking their heads, esp his campaign manager.

    JRH (52aed3)

  11. 9… it is obvious that it concerned the Biden campaign enough to take another chance at disaster and put Biden in front of a microphone to try to explain himself.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  12. Trump is viewed as a hardened racist who has openly courted support from the white nationalist movement

    Is that your view, or is it some of your usual “some say” malarkey ?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/7/2020 @ 7:31 am

    I re-read my comment and I could make it more clear

    If I word it this way is it cleared up?

    I don’t think this hurts Biden too much. Most voters aren’t paying close attention to this and aren’t going to be interested in a mistake that’s insulting because it generalizes black peopple. Among those how are motivated the woke view Trump as a hardened racist who has openly courted support from the white nationalist movement. They are going to have an easy time voting for Biden as the lesser evil.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  13. 9… it is obvious that it concerned the Biden campaign enough to take another chance at disaster and put Biden in front of a microphone to try to explain himself.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/7/2020 @ 7:58 am

    Not fixing it, or doubling down, would be insulting and make it worse among his base. The apology puts it into the “He says dumb stuff but he’s still on our side” box.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  14. Trump is viewed as a hardened racist who has openly courted support from the white nationalist movement

    Is that your view, or is it some of your usual “some say” malarkey ?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/7/2020 @ 7:31 am

    I decided to use google. Apparently most people do think Trump is racist. No surprises along party lines. But independents felt way also.

    was news to me.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  15. @14: Leading questions from a biased poll. Shocking.

    “16. What do you think is the main motive behind President Trump’s immigration policies: a sincere interest in controlling our borders, or racist beliefs?”

    What’s not shocking is many will swallow it whole.

    beer ‘n pretzels (9937ff)

  16. Biden’s a racist who’s mental faculties are failing him so he resorts to what he’s comfortable with and when challenged lashes out. How quickly we forget, “if you don’t vote for me, you’re not black” was just a couple of months ago.

    Between this and the 20% failure rate on mail in ballots in NYC, it’s going to take a ton of fraud to push Biden over the top.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  17. @16

    Biden’s a racist who’s mental faculties are failing him so he resorts to what he’s comfortable with and when challenged lashes out. How quickly we forget, “if you don’t vote for me, you’re not black” was just a couple of months ago.

    Between this and the 20% failure rate on mail in ballots in NYC, it’s going to take a ton of fraud to push Biden over the top.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/7/2020 @ 8:24 am

    To be fair… Trump has zero changes to win NY, so that mail in ballots snafu in NYC doesn’t matter. We can only hope that this shines the spotlight enough to embarrass the officials there to fix this…

    whembly (c30c83)

  18. “Between this and the 20% failure rate on mail in ballots in NYC, it’s going to take a ton of fraud to push Biden over the top.”

    – NJRob

    It’s going to take a ton of hatred for Donald Trump. Luckily, there is more than enough of that to go around.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  19. whose*

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  20. To be fair… Trump has zero changes to win NY, so that mail in ballots snafu in NYC doesn’t matter. We can only hope that this shines the spotlight enough to embarrass the officials there to fix this…

    whembly (c30c83) — 8/7/2020 @ 8:28 am

    It matters when it comes to the attacks on the electoral college and the illegal attempt to replace it with the national popular vote.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  21. Speaking of NYC…..

    TERRI
    @tguygator
    ·
    NYC is boarded up. Small and large businesses going bankrupt every day. Violent crime up exponentially. When are you NYC liberals going to say ENOUGH? When are you going to care about innocents? Poor minorities?
    __ _

    New York Post
    @nypost
    ·
    Cuomo begs rich New Yorkers to leave Hamptons, return to NYC: ‘Come over, I’ll cook!’ https://trib.al/EisWvP2
    __ _

    Colls75_reclaiming_my_time
    @coll29
    ·
    To do what? Defend themselves against junkies and homeless?window shop at boarded up , looted stores? Businesses are gone. Can’t dine in. Can’t congregate. NYC is a sewer.

    __ _

    De Blasio paints another Black Lives Matter mural, as shootings plague NYC

    https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/de-blasio-paints-another-black-lives-matter-mural-as-shootings-continue/amp/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=mail_app&__twitter_impression=true
    __ _

    mariC
    @MariC1827
    ·
    NYC is falling apart, stores boarded up with grafiti all over them, people getting shot on a daily basis, rioters out every night, homelessness everywhere, garbage strewn in the streets & this is top priority, another mural!
    __ _

    Mayor Bill de Blasio
    @NYCMayor
    ·
    54.8%

    That’s how many New Yorkers have filled out the Census.

    • That means we could lose HALF our funding.

    • That means we could lose TWO representatives.

    • You can change that. Fill out the Census now!
    Rightwards arrow http://my2020census.gov
    __ _

    Kathy McShea House building #StayAtHome
    ·
    These boarded up storefronts in #nyc are home to some glorious #StreetArt – take a tour with this art critic and get your dose of #culture and #poetry 👇🏼via
    @NYTimes

    _

    harkin (5af287)

  22. Trump has zero changes to win NY, so that mail in ballots snafu in NYC doesn’t matter.
    __ _

    lol
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  23. @14: Leading questions from a biased poll. Shocking.

    “16. What do you think is the main motive behind President Trump’s immigration policies: a sincere interest in controlling our borders, or racist beliefs?”

    What’s not shocking is many will swallow it whole.

    beer ‘n pretzels (9937ff) — 8/7/2020 @ 8:15 am

    That’s not a push poll. They asked a question and provided 2 ends of the spectrum from people to pick from. If they had left out a sincere interest in controlling our borders as a prompt it would have been a bad poling question.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  24. Dan McLaughlin has an update

    “Earlier today, Joe Biden said things in public. We apologize for this.” – the Biden campaign.

    Paul Montagu (f2aab5)

  25. C’mon, man… when Biden loses in November, he’ll be okay. He’ll still keep spinning tales of brandishing chains to solidify his claims of being a tough guy… he’ll be the Same ol’ Joe and he’ll still hit the local In n’ Out and continue to order his fries “doggy style”…

    He’ll be okay… or as okay as he can be these days…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. here’s a fox news poll from this summer that is generally aligned. It found that 57% of voters said Trump doesn’t respect racial minorities, and 34% said he does.

    54. Do you feel Donald Trump’s recent tweets, in which he criticizes four minorityDemocratic congresswomen and tells them to go back to the countries they came from,were an acceptable political attack or did those tweets cross the line?

    Acceptable political attack 27%
    Crossed the line 63%
    (Don’t know) 10%

    Do you think Donald Trump respects racial minorities?
    Yes 34%
    No 57%
    (Don’t know) 9%

    Do you think saying “go back” to the country you came from is a racist thing to say to a person of color, or not?
    Yes 56%
    No 23%
    (Depends) 18%
    Don’t Know 3%

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  27. One of the greatest concerns for conservative Americans going into the 2016 election was border enforcement/illegal immigration. It’s not rocket science to figure out why he embraced the issue.
    __

    As to Biden’s incredible history of racist comments, if Trump had said these things could you even imagine the media blitz against him four years ago?

    Joe’s racism is old news and just a distraction for a media that doesn’t want you to think about his mental health and oh yeah what’s going down in Democratic-controlled urban areas. Covering up his true feelings about blacks is just sideline work.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  28. I dont buy his vincent the chin act, everyone of his decisions from the vote against the pipeline to opposing the hit on bin laden was against american interests.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  29. Poll question: How many times do you think Biden beat his wife? a) at least once b) zero

    beer ‘n pretzels (2d088d)

  30. In no way did I mean to suggest the African American community is a monolith

    That’s correct. He said there were “notable exceptions.”

    But what I think he said was that the attitude of outsiders was not the same toward all Latinos.

    You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration in certain places than you do when you’re in Arizona.

    He means among non-Hispanics.

    But with regard to African Aamericans, the attidudes of non-blacks, good or bad, tend to be across the board. While non-Hispanic whotes like Cubans better than, say, Mexicans. I think that’s what Biden was saying.

    Now, by that argument, he should be more accepting of people from Cuba but I think he was using it as an argument to be less tolerant, or possibly as an argument that that Latinos vote by nationality – i.e. Puerto Ricans don’t care at all about immigration and Cubans used not to, since they got instant amnesty, util Obama took it away.

    By the way, Fidel Castro wanted to strengthen U.S. enforcement of immigration laws, and that’s why he sent homosexuals (then forbidden to immigrate to the US>) and criminals to the United States in 1980 during the Mariel boatlift.

    Some of the criminals whom turned out to be really political prisoners – people who had violated work rules, and/or stolen something worth very little from the government, or young people who had unapproved sexual relationships with children of the Communist elite – if the unwanted suitor was a male he was accused of rape and if the unwanted suitor was female she was accused of prostitution and they were sent to jail.

    But others were really criminals – with tattoos to prove it. The INS ignored what other people on the boats were telling them but relied entirely on the honesty of the people they inspected. The unjustly convicted prostitutes and rapists were honest and were detained, while only the more unsophisticated criminals were detained.

    In that debate from 1980 that someone here linked to in another thread, Ronald Reagan gave as an argument for more liberal immigration that Cuba might make it a cause.

    Cuba never did because Castro wanted tougher U.S. immigration laws. The United States eventually began paying Castro to maintain his iron curtain!

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  31. No he just wanted to punish the us, tarnish the good name of the cuban exile community, like brian de palma writ large. By letting killers and rapists like that paratrooper vigoa who took dowm the las vegas casinos, ive known many mariel emigres who were good.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  32. “here’s a fox news poll from this summer
    __

    You linked to a poll from over a year ago.
    _

    Now find a poll on Joe and his multiple racist babblings from just the past couple days.

    The questions will be worded something like this:

    “Do you believe Trump went too far when he attacked civil rights champion Joe Biden for a recent speaking gaffe which he later clarified?”
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  33. @24 That’s hilarious! plus it’s the kind of joke you know you get to use over and over again.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  34. This was such word salad it doesn’t hurt Biden because nobody understood what he was saying.

    He didn’t answer the question by the way of whether he would, as a rule, give TPS to Cubans like it gies to Venezuelans. He filibustered. But in such away that it is clear the answer is no.

    And he filibustered on the cognitive test, saying basically that asking him to take a cognitive test just because he was old was like asking a journalist to take a drug test.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  35. Yesterday’s mishap was preceded by Biden snapping at a Black reporter who asked whether he had taken a cognitive test like President Trump

    What he said was stupid, but it’s obvious from the video that he was having a laugh with the guy (or trying to), not “snapping at” him.

    Dave (1bb933)

  36. There is no tps for cuban exiles, since 2017 there is no wet foot dry foot either.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  37. Harkin, you’re right. The poling question was from last summer, i read it wrong. Maybe people think Trump is less racist now?

    I understand you and B&P are angry that people think Trump is racist. But do you really think Fox News poll ran a biased poll to hurt Trump? They’re not OAN, but they’re pretty friendly to trump.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  38. When are you NYC liberals going to say ENOUGH? When are you going to care about innocents? Poor minorities?

    This might get Andrew Yang to run for mayor. There;d be people begging him to do so.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  39. “16. What do you think is the main motive behind President Trump’s immigration policies: a sincere interest in controlling our borders, or racist beliefs?”

    First, if it racist beliefs, it is not Trump’s beliefs. And it is not exactly racism either. And its against Hispanics and not blacks.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  40. Tps is kind of significant for venezuelan exiles, for reasons you understand,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  41. @37: Like the WSJ, there is Fox content devoted to news and content devoted to opinion. Unlike NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc. they actually do a half decent job of keeping it separate.

    If you ask a question like those posed, you’re planting the idea in the mind that this is a problem for the candidate. If you ask whether Biden raped Tara Reade (did any poll ask this?), allowing an answer of no doesn’t make it a fair question.

    beer ‘n pretzels (26e26a)

  42. Glen simpzon and evan perez fusion and recipient came from wsj, larry solomon was forced out for discovering the fraud behind the iran deal.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  43. Narciso (7404b5) — 8/7/2020 @ 9:20 am

    No he just wanted to punish the us, tarnish the good name of the cuban exile community,

    Who did? Fidel Castro in 1980?

    No, I think Fidel Castro looked at U.S> immigration law, and whatever people were categorically excluded, he sent.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  44. Trust me on this sammeh, so in 1994, bill clinton sent them to guantanamo instead of admission to the country, then we instituted the wet foot dry foot, then came the elian rendition

    Narciso (7404b5)

  45. 36. Narciso (7404b5) — 8/7/2020 @ 9:29 am

    There is no tps for cuban exiles, since 2017 there is no wet foot dry foot either.

    I think the idea behind the question that Lulu Garcia-Navarro asked was, since they’re not going to put back wet foot, dry foot, what about giving Cubans TPS?

    The left wing oof the Dem Party probbaly wouldn;t like that so Biden;s answer is to filibuster.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  46. @37: Like the WSJ, there is Fox content devoted to news and content devoted to opinion. Unlike NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc. they actually do a half decent job of keeping it separate.

    If you ask a question like those posed, you’re planting the idea in the mind that this is a problem for the candidate. If you ask whether Biden raped Tara Reade (did any poll ask this?), allowing an answer of no doesn’t make it a fair question.

    beer ‘n pretzels (26e26a) — 8/7/2020 @ 9:39 am

    The questions I quoted from the Fox Poll aren’t leading. The preceding questions don’t build towards a specific answer. They don’t present you with a lot of negative information about Trump before asking the question. They do ask about a statement he had made in that time, but that’s unavoidable if you’re trying to understand what people think about that statement. They did put it before the general question, so it will be in the respondents mind when they answer. But if you’re trying to understand the impact of that statement it’s appropriate.

    If you want quantitative data you have to have to ask the question. If you give the respondent the opportunity to say Yes/No/I don’t know/it depends you’re not pushing them to a specific answer.

    If you still feel that this is a biased poll, what motive do you suspect on the part of Fox News for trying to harm trump with a ‘bad poll?

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  47. 44. The Lian onzalex situation had to do with who could speak for the boy. His mother had been with him on aboat, and if she had survived, Elian Gonzalez would have been admitted to the country and by now have been a U.S> citizens. Her death enabled Fidel Castro to claim parental custody (his father was just a pawn and not free to make a decision in the best interest of the child or even his own.)

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  48. since 2017 there is no wet foot dry foot either

    So what stops him from reinstating, is it a Miller-Waldman decision or petty aimed at Cruz and Rubio for campaign trail feistiness.

    urbanleftbehind (99ca9d)

  49. what motive do you suspect on the part of Fox News for trying to harm trump with a ‘bad poll?

    I already answered this. If you think only conservatives handle the news reporting duties at Fox and WSJ, I can only say that you’re flat wrong and can’t help further.

    beer ‘n pretzels (9937ff)

  50. what motive do you suspect on the part of Fox News for trying to harm trump with a ‘bad poll?

    I already answered this. If you think only conservatives handle the news reporting duties at Fox and WSJ, I can only say that you’re flat wrong and can’t help further.

    beer ‘n pretzels (9937ff) — 8/7/2020 @ 10:01 am

    Your previous answer didn’t really give a reason. But If i’m reading you correctly you think the news team that commissioned a bad poll and reported it to damage trump because they’re liberal.

    Thank you for taking the time to spell it out.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  51. It’s per Miller Waldman and others advice. A policy which Trump thinks he needs to do to maintain his base.

    They’re against all immigration, having determined that it is always bad for the receiving country.

    They don’t care about the proportion that is legal versus the proportion that is illegal – just total numbers.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  52. By the same logic I think you can “prove” that most births are bad, too. Costs the government money.

    And some become criminals.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  53. As to Biden’s incredible history of racist comments, if Trump had said these things could you even imagine the media blitz against him four years ago?

    Like when the media chastised Trump for saying it was a “Hispanic judge” who ruled against him on the Trump U case? Or when he said about Mexicans that “some, I assume, are good people”?
    There’s no question that Biden says racially clunky things, in part because he says clunky things in general. It’s interesting, this “incredible history” of Biden’s racist comments, but what exactly is that history? FoxNews has a helpful list, along with my helpful observations.
    May 2020: “You ain’t black.”
    To me, the comment was inartful, not racist, because he was comparing his history with racial minorities to Trump’s.
    August 2019: “Poor kids” just as bright as “white kids”
    It would’ve been racist had he not quickly corrected, but score it as half-racist for that brief moment of candor.
    June 2019: “The kid wearing a hoodie.”
    Not racist because he was speaking in the context of Tayvvon Martin.
    June 2019: Biden touts his work with segregationist senators
    Not racist. He was trying to describe his ability to get things done by working with unpalatable people across the aisle.
    August 2012: “Put y’all back in chains”
    Not racist, but he threw down the race deck against Romney and it was unforgivably demagogic. He owes Romney a public apology.
    February 2007: Obama is “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean”
    Racist.
    2006: “You can’t go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent”
    Racist.
    I count 2½ racist comments over 14 years, which is not great but not “incredible”. And Biden’s small-cap racism doesn’t compare to Trump’s large-cap RACISM. It’s like pointing at the toothpick and saying “Ah hah!” while ignoring the 36-inch Louisville Slugger right next to it. One standard, applied to all.

    Paul Montagu (f2aab5)

  54. “ I understand you and B&P are angry that people think Trump is racist.”
    __ _

    No anger here, just laughing at the glaring double standard employed by the media to cover for Joe while projecting his lifetime of racist babbling onto Trump.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  55. 35… “Having a laugh”… Biden was the only one laughing, as he claimed f-f-fitness for the office.

    Colonel Haiku (d17996)

  56. 54… and yet some people willfully act like this never crossed their mind

    Colonel Haiku (d17996)

  57. The questions I quoted from the Fox Poll aren’t leading. The preceding questions don’t build towards a specific answer. They don’t present you with a lot of negative information about Trump before asking the question. They do ask about a statement he had made in that time, but that’s unavoidable if you’re trying to understand what people think about that statement. They did put it before the general question, so it will be in the respondents mind when they answer. But if you’re trying to understand the impact of that statement it’s appropriate.

    If you want quantitative data you have to have to ask the question. If you give the respondent the opportunity to say Yes/No/I don’t know/it depends you’re not pushing them to a specific answer.

    If you still feel that this is a biased poll, what motive do you suspect on the part of Fox News for trying to harm trump with a ‘bad poll?

    Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/7/2020 @ 9:52 am

    Sure they are. They didn’t give context in what was say, to whom was it said, and why was it said. To a racist, anti-American like Omar, it’s a fair statement to say, “if you hate it here, why don’t you go elsewhere?”

    That’s not racist. That’s common sense.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  58. https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/nevada-sent-more-than-200k-mail-in-primary-ballots-to-wrong-addresses/

    Just more fun on a nationwide scale.

    I really think some who demand national mail in voting want to live in a banana republic.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  59. Meanwhile……..


    Released from jail at height of pandemic, Virginia rape suspect allegedly killed his accuser

    “ In Alexandria, Bouaichi’s lawyers said in their motion for bond that “social distancing and proper disinfecting measures are impossible while incarcerated.… Simply put, the risk of contracting Covid-19 in a jail is exceedingly obvious.”……..

    ……. The grand jury indicted Bouaichi on five charges: rape, sodomy, strangulation, abduction and burglary. A trial date was set for March 30, and Leiva and Salvato’s bond motion indicates they were preparing for trial, until the courts shut down in March due to the coronavirus and trials were postponed……..

    ……. Bertsch noted that the jail implemented increased cleaning and health screening in early March “and there were no cases of covid-19 at the jail during their client’s incarceration.””

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2020/08/06/released-jail-height-pandemic-alexandria-rape-suspect-allegedly-killed-his-accuser/
    __

    harkin (5af287)

  60. Streiff at RS admitted Trump played footsie with racists (That was way back when our host used to write for them). FWIW. Not like he is one to regurgitate leftist talking points. I mean, you kind of have to be extremely dishonest not to admit that the dude curries favor with the White Nationalist crowd.

    JRH (52aed3)

  61. I don’t think that Joe Biden is a racist in the sense that he actively dislikes minority people, but I do think he hold opinions which are, or at least ought to be considered, racist even when held by progressive Democrats. Unlike a Donald Trump who is largely insensitive to, well, just about everyone, Biden understands implicitly that there are beliefs that he and other progressives hold which he’s not supposed to say out loud, but of course from time to time he just can’t help himself. Some of these beliefs are standard progressive orthodoxy, such as blacks owe it to themselves to vote Democrat; a black person who votes Republican is self-hating in some way; blacks and Latinos require government programs to help them through life; blacks and Latino parents (other races too, but especially blacks and Latinos) can’t be trusted to always make the best decisions for their children, so they especially need government guidance in those areas; minorities lack the emotional fortitude to overcome casual and passive racism (think “microaggressions”) in everyday situations; and on and on. I know progressives would probably object to my characterizations here, but I do think that so much of the social justice racket these days is elite people of all races playing white knight (I denounce myself) to minorities and knowing there is a good living to be made doing so.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  62. Sure they are. They didn’t give context in what was say, to whom was it said, and why was it said. To a racist, anti-American like Omar, it’s a fair statement to say, “if you hate it here, why don’t you go elsewhere?”

    That’s not racist. That’s common sense.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/7/2020 @ 10:31 am

    The people who would agree with that had the option of ‘it depends’.
    Or pick another study. Seems like respondents consistently think Trump is racist.

    Here’s one from Yahoo/Yougov from July 11-14 of 2020 (YouGov is a market research firm that I don’t know much about)

    For all of you “they never ask about Biden” ppl it’s asked here and the asked about him first, if that matters to you. I wonder what you’ll complain about next?

    Data continues to say that Trump is generally viewed as Racist.

    19. Do you think that Joe Biden is a racist?
    Yes 24%
    No 48%
    Not sure 29%

    20. Do you think that Donald Trump is a racist?
    Yes 50%
    No 37%
    Not sure 13%

    Looks like 10% more respondents for were slightly or more concerned about his mental health and acuity then were concerned about Trump’s. This is outside of the margin of error for the poll.

    21. How concerned are you about Joe Biden’s health and mental acuity?
    Very concerned 29%
    Somewhat Concerned 20%
    Slightly concerned 23%
    Not concerned at all 29%

    22. How concerned are you about Donald Trump’s health and mental acuity?
    Very concerned 28%
    Somewhat Concerned 17%
    Slightly concerned 15%
    Not concerned at all 39%

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  63. @61 I agree with much of what you say. To me it looks like Biden’s not racist, as the term was defined some time in the past. He’s fallen behind the current definition of ‘not racist’. In the past it used to be much less offensive to broadly characterize people based on their race…He seems to do that a lot.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  64. Trump is a racist.

    Biden is a doofus.

    There’s a difference.

    Dave (1bb933)

  65. @61 JVW… this is excellent.

    On the same side coin, Trump isn’t a racist in the mold of KKK, white supremacy, etc…

    He says mind-numbingly stupid things that *could* be construed as his racists persona, but in reality it’s simply elitism in that if you don’t kiss his proverbial ring, he’ll lash out against you.

    Regardless of race, he’s an equal opportunity jerk.

    whembly (c30c83)

  66. @64 Disagree. The standard you apply to Trump deeming him racist, Biden has just as much, if not more, baggage that he too is racist.

    Stick to a standard.

    whembly (c30c83)

  67. I think Biden is a racist in the actual definition of the term: he believes certain races are inferior to his own so they must be told how to think and behave. If they step outside of that behavior (i.e. don’t vote democrat) then they aren’t authentic.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  68. 66… who him? LOL

    “Benghazi liar and former U.N. ambassador Susan Rice has seemingly risen to the top of Joe Biden’s VP list, which would make a unique pairing of someone who can’t tell the truth and someone who can’t remember the truth.”

    —- Daniel John Sobieski

    Colonel Haiku (d17996)

  69. JVW, I think your post gets to the actual definition of racism. The original definition was that you believe your race is superior to others and that their inferiority makes them less so. That is exactly what you listed in your post with all of Biden’s claims. So how is he not a racist (as well as the rest of the leftist party?)

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  70. ““Benghazi liar and former U.N. ambassador Susan Rice has seemingly risen to the top of Joe Biden’s VP list, which would make a unique pairing of someone who can’t tell the truth and someone who can’t remember the truth.””

    Trump supporters suddenly concerned about truth.

    Davethulhu (8fe8cb)

  71. This was leaked and just crossed my desk…

    Joe Biden was given – and failed – a fairly simple mental acuity test this morning.

    He was given instructions to not use a calculator for this:

    You are driving a bus from New York City to Philadelphia.

    In Staten Island, 17 people got on the bus.

    In New Brunswick, 6 people get off the bus and 9 people get on.

    In Windsor, 2 people get off and 4 get on.

    In Trenton, 11 people get off and 16 people get on.

    In Bristol, 3 people get off and 5 people get on.

    And, in Camden, 6 people get off and 3 get on.

    You then arrive at Philadelphia Station.

    Without going back to review, how old is the bus driver ?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. “Here’s he deal” as the hair-plugged-putz likes to say:

    Trump has been a ‘politician’ now– what– 5 years or so. Plagiarist JoeyBee has been on the national political stage now for nearly half a century. After almost 50 years he should know better and be much more aware and certainly better skilled at how to avoid the verbal minefields he keeps sailing into.

    The man is declining before our eyes. A total idiot. And a hobbling advertisement for age limits for elected office holders– or at least a competence test of some kind, just as there is for pilots and elderly drivers at DMVs. Too much life, property and expense are at risk.

    Biden didn’t have the balls to challenge Hillary when he had a fuller set of marbles; now he hides from Trump. If he can’t handle the Donald, Vlad and Xi will eat his lunch, dinner and morning bowl of oatmeal.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. This may trigger a few people around here… apologies if it prompts a loss of mud…

    https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/image.png

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. ^the

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. I think Biden is a racist in the actual definition of the term: he believes certain races are inferior to his own so they must be told how to think and behave. If they step outside of that behavior (i.e. don’t vote democrat) then they aren’t authentic.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/7/2020 @ 11:41 am

    That’s certainly a definition of racism. It’s not the only one.

    Some others I’ve seen are
    A system that reliably produces disparate impacts based on race
    Antipathy towards a given race or people based on their race.
    Strongly held beliefs about a person because they’re a member of a given race.
    Strongly held negative beliefs about a person because they’re a member of a given race. (some people think positive stereotypes are OK)
    Belief that a person must be of a given race / ethnicity to be a ‘full/real/authentic’ member of society.
    Treating minorities as if they’re ‘other’ or outsiders.

    Like anything real world these all exist on a spectrum. Being slightly uncomfortable around black men is a little racist. Breaking out into near uncontrollable rage around black men is more racist.

    Some people add on stuff about having to have institutional power, or be a member of the dominant ethnic group, or other criteria etc etc. Other people are wedded to the idea that doing one racist thing makes you racist and any amount of being racist makes you an evil person. I’m personally skeptical of most of that stuff.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  76. Never trumpers worried about integrity. Keep following carpetbagging scum like mittens.

    mg (8cbc69)

  77. Disparate impact theory is just communism redux. You know that Time. I am going by the actual dictionary definition before leftists turned it into their own political preferences.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  78. Gotta love the ‘Trump is a racist but Biden is too stupid to be racist’ argument.
    __

    harkin (c4b982)

  79. Just look at the commie DeBlasio. He’s turning NYC into a rat infested @#$#hole right before our eyes. And when rich people who can leave, leave, he says good riddance as he tries to raise the taxes on whomever is left. But that’s what the people voted for. Give it to them, good and hard.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  80. no sammeh, it was about reclaiming state property, there is not such thing as father’s rights in cuba, and greg craig, most recently escaping a fixed case in the ukraine, and eric holder were the middle men, in that endeavor,

    narciso (7404b5)

  81. On the same side coin, Trump isn’t a racist in the mold of KKK, white supremacy, etc…

    Comedy Gold!

    Except he venerates and defends those who fought a war for white supremacy.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  82. now put frederick douglas, abraham lincoln and hans eng,

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/at-the-atlantic-council-foreign-money-talks/

    narciso (7404b5)

  83. 72. DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/7/2020 @ 12:57 pm

    The man is declining before our eyes. A total idiot.

    Was he able to come up with his words one third of century ago?

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  84. Must be tiring defending a known political clown who has over 40 years of clumsy misstatements and clueless pronouncements, Time123.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. Gonna go to Thigh Land!
    Gonna git some Yo Semight!
    Person, man, woman, tv, camera!
    Covfefe!

    nk (1d9030)

  86. 80. narciso (7404b5) — 8/7/2020 @ 1:23 pm

    no sammeh, it was about reclaiming state property, there is not such thing as father’s rights in cuba,

    But the Democrats didn’t want to say so.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  87. “Little Lulu, I love youlu just the same, teh same…”

    — Hidin’ Joe Biden

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  88. Fitty shot this week so far in Chicago… looks like they’re in for another record-breaking weekend… AGAIN!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. Person, man, woman, tv, camera!

    Trump kept on repeating that to himself like it was a telephone number he didn’t want to forget. The test consisted of being asked to remember that (again) after 5 minutes – Trump decided that he should be able to remember it five weeks, months and even years later.

    I though sequoia was pronounced seh-quoi-yeh.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  90. 82, Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/7/2020 @ 1:32 pm

    Except he venerates and defends those who fought a war for white supremacy.

    Trump doesn’t believe any of this stuff, but he believes it helps him politically to be against the iconoclasts. He rested his case on the grounds it was art.

    The interesting thing is nobody is proposing to actually destroy any statues, but just moving them off the streets and into a building, a cemetery or a Civil War battlefield.

    But you can’t move mountains. So for now the biggest monument of all, Stone Mountain, Georgia, stays the same. The first work was destroyed a few years after the original sculptor had been lured away to build Mount Rushmore instead but the state of Georgia then started it again 30 years later. It would be too much like to Taliban to destroy the Confederate Mt Rushmore now. (although actually Mount Rushmore is the federal Stone Mountain)

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  91. “ Must be tiring defending a known political clown who has over 40 years of clumsy misstatements and clueless pronouncements, Time123.”

    – Colonel Haiku

    My irony meter just flatlined.

    Leviticus (5520f4)

  92. over 40 years of clumsy misstatements and clueless pronouncements,

    Trump’s been doing that for only about 35 years.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/27/magazine/sunday-observer-here-today-gone-today.html

    Ah ha! Donna Rice was the Monkey Business woman, not Calphurnia Kinnock. Calphurnia was Caesar’s wife. Not the gambling casino Caesar or the salad Caesar, either, but Julius Caesar. Her name was Calphurnia Caesar. Odd, isn’t it, that we remember famous women of 2,000 years ago but can remember almost nobody who was famous last summer?

    Of course the Romans didn’t have any media to speak of. . . .

    Wait a minute: it was Neil Kinnock, not Calphurnia Kinnock! He became 1987’s famous-for-15-minutes British politician after Senator Joseph Biden delivered one of his old speeches. A tug of the forelock for Mr. Kinnock….

    ….Which reminds us of Donald Trump, boy billionaire, who published a book celebrating himself. By his own admission, Mr. Trump is the most terrific guy for miles around. He is now in Minute Three of his famousness. Only 1988 will tell if he will survive a full 15 minutes. The New York Giants didn’t after half of them published books about how terrific they were.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  93. Person, man, woman, tv, camera!

    Trump kept on repeating that to himself like it was a telephone number he didn’t want to forget.

    That’s not what he was asked at the assessment, Sammy. It was what in front of him at the time of the interview. A person, either man or woman, and a tv camera. What he was asked at the assessment would have been “piano, flower, green, bicycle, cake”. Unrelated words.

    nk (1d9030)

  94. The interesting thing is nobody is proposing to actually destroy any statues, but just moving them off the streets and into a building, a cemetery or a Civil War battlefield.

    Would they be able to reattach the amputated limbs and decapitated heads of teh statues, or would that be a bridge too far???

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. One idea as to how to evaluate candidates:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/02/opinion/open-all-candidates-before-election.html

    Forget what candidates say they will do if elected. Never mind what public offices they have held. Look instead to the kinds of people they are. It is bedrock human nature, not campaign promises (talk is cheap) or track records (resumes predict nothing), that gives the surest forecast of a Presidency.

    The abrupt departure of Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Gary Hart from the campaign suggest that we’re paying closer attention to human nature. But we still need a method for telling in advance whether a candidate has ”the right stuff.” No system will be foolproof. But there are guidelines that may help us avoid another Presidential failure.

    The job of President confronts anyone with four challenges that tax personal strength to the limit and that push misfits into foolish, dangerous directions. Fortunately, these challenges, while highly magnified in this pressure-cooker job, confront all of us, Presidential candidates included, in everyday life.

    This means we can discover in advance the typical reactions of the hopefuls to the challenges that will test them in exaggerated form if elected. Then we can use this information to spot and avoid disasters waiting to happen, cutting them off at the polls. Challenge No. 1: Roadblocks….

    Those, like Woodrow Wilson, Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon, who dug in and lashed back like rattlesnakes, exemplify the sorts of temperaments that spell trouble. This season’s crop of candidates has left a trail of evidence revealing habitual reactions to frustration. It behooves media bloodhounds to dig it out and the electorate to reflect on it.

    Challenge No. 2: Excess glory. Those who seek the Presidency and become President are surrounded by others who treat them and their ideas with too much deference and respect….

    …Challenge No. 3: Burnout. The last two Presidents illustrate two of the worst possible ways to contend with the psychological burden created by the numerous, intense and conflicting demands of office.

    The challenge is to strike a balance between engagement and detachment. The way a candidate has used himself and others to get the job done – in a law firm or Senate office -will provide a pretty reliable clue whether too much or too little engagement has become a habit.

    Challenge No. 4: The great temptation.

    ….The great temptation is to eat your cake and have it, too – to distort the true cost and involvement in the Vietnam War so you can maintain the momentum of the Great Society, or to publicly condemn Iran while privately trading with it. The lure is increased by the success of Presidents past who lied and got away with it: James K. Polk’s crafty handling of the Mexican War and Theodore Roosevelt’s devious plot to get the land for the Panama Canal….

    …. Is your candidate a truth-fuzzer? How far has he been willing to go to get what he wants? Chances are that as with Mr. Hart the reputation predates the candidacy.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  96. nk @95. I think you’re right. Trump made up the five words. It wouldn’t have person and both woman and man.

    But didn’t Trump trot out those five words again later or s=is that wrong?

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  97. This senile old fool is you never trumpers champion against trump? I will be voting third party!

    asset (5116e7)

  98. News flash: Biden is incredibly mediocre. Of all the ocres, he’s the mediest (h/t: Veep). I’d vote for eleven of the thirteen presidents between 1932 and 2016 over Biden. The two I’d reject, Nixon and Clinton, were easily more competent than Biden, but neither was fit for office. And as morally defective as Nixon and Clinton were, next to Trump they were Olympian paragons of virtue. The cherry on top is that thanks to Trump’s stubborn ignorance and the corrupting effect of his all-consuming narcissism, he even manages to be less competent than Biden.

    So sure, Biden’s mediocrity is disturbing. Against a normal opponent it would be dispositive. Against Trump? Lol. Biden’s inadequacies are barely discernible blips next to Trump’s historic awfulness and incompetence.

    Does that mean Biden will win? I wish. Humanity’s blood-soaked history proves that lies and demagoguery are effective tools of persuasion. We elected this despicable pustule once. We can easily do it again.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  99. But didn’t Trump trot out those five words again later or s=is that wrong?

    Yes, he did, several times, because he had those exact same mnemonic prompt in front of him.

    nk (1d9030)

  100. hidin’ joe biden
    hmmm… rice or kamala-toe?
    teh fuggin’ he gets

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. Biden is one step away from collapsing like captain oveur after he had the fish.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  102. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/7/2020 @ 2:29 pm

    Would they be able to reattach the amputated limbs and decapitated heads of teh statues, or would that be a bridge too far???

    That can be done – it’s done alot with shatered sculptures like the Pieta – but they have to find them.

    The statues have owners.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b)

  103. @86 lol! That’s hilarious

    Time123 (7662f5)

  104. Biden VP update

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—According to sources in the Biden campaign, the presidential candidate is on pins and needles waiting to see who it is he picked to run for vice president on his ticket.

    Paul Montagu (f2aab5)

  105. @106. More likely he’s on Geritol.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. I don’t have a problem with Biden’s comments here, and I seriously doubt very many Africans and Latinos do either. I do think they’re taken wildly out of context and misconstrued in their interpretation. But that’s on the interpreter, not the speaker. Biden simply doesn’t speak artfully, never has.

    Nor do I this Biden is a racist. He’s an old Democrat with antiquated ideas about race and party. However, he is not a bigot and does not discriminate against minorities.

    Trump’s father, on the other hand, was arrested in 1920 for marching in protest with the KKK in New York city. His rental policy at the properties he owned came straight out of the KKK playbook, discriminating against African Americans, Catholics and Jews, a practice that Donald Trump continued until he was sued by the federal government for violating the Fair Housing Act and fined $1 million. That’s overt racism.

    To this day Trump preferentially hires eastern Europeans on H-2B visas over American citizens to work at his resorts. He does this because he can hold the threat of immediate deportation over their heads, and he doesn’t have to pay them benefits. He also preferentially hires illegal immigrants to do the yard work and pays them under the table so he doesn’t have to pay them benefits. He also has the threat of immediate deportation hanging over their heads as well.

    He refuses to condemn white supremacists, Neo-Nazis and the KKK. He endorses racially divisive policies and foments hatred and strife.

    This man-child is a danger to our society. Over 180,000 people are dead from Covid-19, due to his ineptitude and incompetence. Over 1,000 had died in a single day for eleven consecutive days. One person a minute dies from Covid-19. This is a travesty and completely unacceptable.

    For the fist time in my life, since I was eligible to vote 1980, I will be voting against every Republican on the ballot. I’ll vote Libertarian where I can and Democrat were I must. That was unthinkable just a few years ago, but now it is a necessity. The GOP is no longer recognizable as a viable political party that represents the citizenry. It has become a horror show. The Republican party, in its current shape and form, must be reduced to irrelevancy.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  107. GG,

    That’s your choice. What happened to the conservative belief that government dependency is a bad thing and that cradle to the grave entitlements is modern day slavery? I guess you don’t think that leftist policies are harmful to minorities anymore as you will be voting for them and excusing those policies while you instead say “Trump is the real racist.”

    That’s on you.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  108. Amen, brother Gawain.
    I know I’m going to vote for one Democrat (because he did a personal kindness for my son), I know I’m not voting for any Republican who is overtly in the bag for Trump. After that, I dunno. We’ll figure it out.

    Paul Montagu (f2aab5)

  109. To this day Trump preferentially hires eastern Europeans on H-2B visas over American citizens to work at his resorts. He does this because he can hold the threat of immediate deportation over their heads, and he doesn’t have to pay them benefits. He also preferentially hires illegal immigrants to do the yard work and pays them under the table so he doesn’t have to pay them benefits. He also has the threat of immediate deportation hanging over their heads as well.

    This explains why Epstein had such substantial operations at Mars a Lago. Young women employed there would be desperate and scared to report problems with a powerful person. As Trump said, when you’re rich they let you do what you want.

    What happened to the conservative belief that government dependency is a bad thing

    What’s this got to with Biden’s comments generalizing blacks as democrat voters? He keeps saying it, clearly he sees the demographic the way LBJ did and I think it’s wrong. But what’s that got to do with the republicans pre-Trump wanting everyone to enjoy the dignity of making your own success in life?

    And isn’t trump today promising executive orders to encourage massive dependency? No evictions, no student loan payments, no income tax. Is that conservative?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  110. He’s an old Democrat with antiquated ideas about race and party.

    Heh… that’s what they said about Senator Robert Byrd and much of the Democrat Party not that long ago.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  111. @108 @110: GG and Montagu, I’ll bet you slam the board upside down and toss the pieces every time your kids beat you at Candyland&reg.

    beer ‘n pretzels (5dfec9)

  112. Dustin,

    I don’t support any of those things. I think encouraging government dependency is harmful. I’ll fight against it. What about you?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  113. Reopen the country. Stop this man made disaster.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  114. And isn’t trump today promising executive orders to encourage massive dependency? No evictions, no student loan payments, no income tax. Is that conservative?

    That is survival.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. Keep voting for leftists. See what happens.

    The end of the modern ideological conservative movement.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. I think encouraging government dependency is harmful.

    Yes, corporate welfare is harmful to big oil, big banks, big pharma, big finance, big real estate, big defense contractors, big agra, big steel, big auto… big banks… big banks— was big banks mentioned? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. That is survival.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/7/2020 @ 6:57 pm

    Not really responsive to my point, and also irrational.

    If all the landlords in town go out of business and slumlords swoop in, that’s not long term survival at all. If taxes and debt payments are merely deferred until next year, sure, that makes Trump look great relative to President Biden when he has to work through a challenge, but the problem was never actually solved.

    My point, though, is that this is dependency. If, as DCSCA and Trump think, dependency on the government stopping obligations is required for “Survival” then the criticism of democrats offering entitlements is in bad faith.

    Of course you think that’s great because there’s no more conservative movement if everyone’s survival depends on the government’s permission.

    Yes, corporate welfare is harmful to big oil, big banks, big pharma, big finance, big real estate, big defense contractors, big agra, big steel, big auto… big banks… big banks— was big banks mentioned? 😉

    When you have a little more life experience, you might realize that the winners in these situations seem to win either way. They made millions off the last stock crash. They made millions off the last boom too. They make millions off collapsing property values and poorer landlords failing. They make millions when those values go back up.

    That’s why these guys are anything but conservatives.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  118. @121. Hardly.

    When you have a little more life experience, you might realize that the winners in these situations seem to win either way.

    ROFLMAOPIP. And if you had some, you’d recognize it for what it actually is: Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. I don’t support any of those things. I think encouraging government dependency is harmful. I’ll fight against it. What about you?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/7/2020 @ 6:45 pm

    I used to. I used to be so involved with the GOP. I would volunteer time and money if there was a viable option to fight for a return to some of the norms I value.

    Big picture, the student loan forgiveness points to explosively high tuition costs. Those costs are due to student loans removing market forces. Forgiving the debt, or just delaying it, actually makes things much worse. I know tons of people giving up on their job search to go back to school, reducing economic activity, hoping for a Bernie Sanders pay day, borrowing way more than they should.

    Who is fighting this?

    I could go down the list on the other issues named or many not named, but you get the point. If Trump had really shut down a lot of wasteful government, really put us on track to be debt free in eight years, as he promised, then a little bailout here and there when the pandemic hit would be much more understandable.

    I don’t like Biden for a lot of reasons, Trump for a lot of reasons. I’m resigned to loving my family and friends in a time of tremendous decline. I think there are many millions like me who would proudly support someone who just wants a return to, say 1995.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  120. ROFLMAOPIP. And if you had some, you’d recognize it for what it actually is: Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/7/2020 @ 8:05 pm

    There are different kinds of age and maturity. I think we simply have different ones. I do not think Joe Biden represents Ronald Reagan, and I think he governed when the power of the purse wasn’t really his.

    Many of the institutions of importance in the 1980s, such as NASA, such as universities, they are far less relevant today. We need them, but for much more limited functions. They mostly represent waste. Reagan is a history lesson that’s complicated by the cold war, by the recession of the 70s, by Russia and Iran’s actions in 1979, and mostly by amazing technological changes.

    Similarly, the technological changes of the past 20 years have totally changed education, or at least they could, along with many other institutions.

    Sure, trickle down is often BS, yet on some applications it obviously isn’t. I know people who fired all their employees in the past six months. They wouldn’t have if they could have afforded not to. They aren’t billionaires though.

    I’m not worried about winning an argument Reagan won in desperate times. I think you might need to let that go.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  121. I used to. I used to be so involved with the GOP. I would volunteer time and money if there was a viable option to fight for a return to some of the norms I value.

    Admirable. Courage of your convictions, etc., etc. Still, Nazis, Soviets, confederates and conservatives find it hard to accept being on the wrong side of history.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. I’m not worried about winning an argument Reagan won in desperate times.

    Desperate? He’s dead; his debt and deficits live on.

    “Winning!”- Charlie Sheen

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. Many of the institutions of importance in the 1980s, such as NASA, such as universities, they are far less relevant today.

    Except they are. You’ll discover that when you’ve matured a global POV.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. Sure, trickle down is often BS

    If you caught Steve Forbes today on the Fox TeeVee Machine, he’d tell you it isn’t– still.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. Yes you wanted the soviets to win the cold war, you were more scared of reagan then brezhnev not surprising.

    So we unlearn all what knew with diblasio, wheeler whatshername in seattle. Its like reinventing the wheel as if deathwish was aspirational

    Narciso (7404b5)

  126. We are fighting the forces of indoctrination and omission against anerican culture against american history, you cannot build a new state, until demolish the old and make the people hate it.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  127. 9 Reasons Joe Biden’s Mental Fitness Must Be Tested Immediately

    Elder Abuse in action…watch closely…pay attention those of you who will vote for Biden because you despise Trump…speak up or continue to support Elder Abuse..it’s your choice

    Horatio (25b3d6)

  128. 130.We are fighting the forces of indoctrination and omission against anerican culture against american history, you cannot build a new state, until demolish the old and make the people hate it.

    Shorter: Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. On second thought. What this means

    Q….I’m specifically wondering about the Florida communities that are incredibly interested in the Cuba issue and see status given to Venezuelans while Cubans are being deported. So will you engage with Cuba?

    Joe Biden: (33:03) The answer is yes. Yes. Yes. And by the way, what you all know, but most people don’t know, unlike the African American community with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community, with incredibly different attitudes about different things…

    Is that Laino’s don’t have the same issues, and only some of them are interested in the Cuba issue. And he contrasts that with African Americans, who, he thinks, don;t have different attitudes about different things, with notable exceptions. His point is you can’t lump Hispanics together politically the way you can African Americans. But they must be subdivided by a political campaign,

    Sammy Finkelman (083d4c)


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