Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
This week’s open thread is bookended by heroes. Feel free to share any news items in the comments. Please make sure to include links.
First news item
The sad loss of some “good trouble”:
Two towering figures of the American civil rights movement died Friday, a major loss for a nation still grappling with protests and demands for racial equality decades later.
John Robert Lewis died at age 80 after a battle with cancer. Rev. Cordy Tindell “C.T.” Vivian died at age 95 of natural causes.
Both men were the epitome of “good trouble” — Lewis’ favorite saying and approach to confronting injustices guided by his belief in nonviolence. They worked alongside the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in the forefront of the historic struggle for racial justices in the 1960s.
John Lewis — one of the original Freedom Riders, chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the youngest speaker at the March on Washington, leader of the march from Selma to Montgomery, Member of Congress representing the people of Georgia for 33 years — not only assumed that responsibility, he made it his life’s work. He loved this country so much that he risked his life and his blood so that it might live up to its promise. And through the decades, he not only gave all of himself to the cause of freedom and justice, but inspired generations that followed to try to live up to his example…In so many ways, John’s life was exceptional. But he never believed that what he did was more than any citizen of this country might do. He believed that in all of us, there exists the capacity for great courage, a longing to do what’s right, a willingness to love all people, and to extend to them their God-given rights to dignity and respect.
A beautiful obituary here.
Rest in peace.
Second news item
Asking the question: What are Federal law enforcement officers doing in Portland?
By all appearances, there are now at least 100 federal law enforcement officers on the ground in Portland. But media reports suggest that many of those officers (a) are not wearing identifiable uniforms or other insignia, (b) are not driving marked law enforcement vehicles, and (c) are not identifying themselves either publicly or even to those whom they have detained and arrested. Making matters worse, local authorities—from the mayor to the sheriff to the governor—have repeatedly insisted not only that they don’t want federal assistance but that the federal response is aggravating the situation on the ground. Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, in contrast, has repeatedly taken to Twitter to claim that local authorities are refusing to restore order—albeit with only vague references to which federal laws are not being enforced (and repeated allusions to “graffiti” and other property damage by “violent anarchists”).
In all of these respects, what’s happening in Portland appears to be a reprise of much of what happened in Washington, D.C., at the beginning of June, when Attorney General William Barr called upon a wide array of statutory authorities to commandeer hundreds of federal law enforcement officers in order to “restore order” in the nation’s capital. At the time, many who both criticized and defended Barr’s actions pointed to the federal government’s unique legal authority over the District of Columbia—implying (whether as a feature or a bug) that the same authorities wouldn’t be available, at least to the same extent, in the 50 states. But if nothing else, the events in Portland appear to underscore that the federal government sees no such distinction—and that it believes it has the power to similarly deploy federal law enforcement authorities across the country, even (if not especially) over the objections of the relevant local and state officials.
Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security, interviewed on NPR:
CUCCINELLI: Well, I can’t speak to this specific instance, but the federal courthouse there is protected by Federal Protective Services, who are being supported by both CBP and ICE officers and – because of the violence there and the graffiti. I’m sure you’ve seen all of that. And they are attempting to make arrests. They are attempting to identify violent rioters and to then pick them up, arrest them and go and have them prosecuted federally.
MCCAMMON: Are you saying this has only happened once?
CUCCINELLI: The offenses there are federal.
MCCAMMON: Are you saying this has only happened once?
CUCCINELLI: I’m not speaking to the number of times it has happened. I’m telling you what they’re doing in terms of a process. And I fully expect that as long as people continue to be violent and to destroy property that we will attempt to identify those folks. We will pick them up in front of the courthouse. If we spot them elsewhere, we will pick them up elsewhere. And if we have a question about somebody’s identity – like the first example I noted to you – after questioning determine it isn’t someone of interest, then they get released. And that’s standard law enforcement procedure, and it’s going to continue as long as the violence continues.
Related: Attorney General Rosenblum Files Lawsuit Against Homeland Security
Third news item
Waiting for it to disappear on its own, I guess:
President Trump says he will not issue a national mandate requiring Americans to wear masks in order to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.
“I want people to have a certain freedom and I don’t believe in that, no,” Trump said in an interview with Fox News’s Chris Wallace that will air in full on “Fox News Sunday.”
Trump also seemed to express skepticism about the efficacy of masks, noting that public health officials initially said that facial coverings were not necessary for healthy individuals, before later adding that he is a “believer in masks.”
“I don’t agree with the statement that if everyone wore a mask, everything disappears,” Trump said, referring to Wallace’s mention of the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) saying that the country could get the virus under control in four to six weeks if everyone wore a mask.
Don’t bug me, I’ve got stuff to do:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”
White House spokeswoman Sarah Matthews countered in a statement: “President Trump has always acted on the recommendations of his top public health experts throughout this crisis as evidenced by the many bold, data-driven decisions he has made to save millions of lives. Any suggestion that the President is not working around the clock to protect the health and safety of all Americans, lead the whole-of-government response to this pandemic, including expediting vaccine development and rebuilding our economy is utterly false.”
Fourth news item
Disturbing new revelations that permanent immunity to the coronavirus may not be possible have jeopardized vaccine development and reinforced a decision by scientists at UCSF and affiliated laboratories to focus exclusively on treatments.
Several recent studies conducted around the world indicate that the human body does not retain the antibodies that build up during infections, meaning there may be no lasting immunity to COVID-19 after people recover.
Strong antibodies are also crucial in the development of vaccines. So molecular biologists fear the only way left to control the disease may be to treat the symptoms after people are infected to prevent the most debilitating effects, including inflammation, blood clots and death.
“I just don’t see a vaccine coming anytime soon,” said Nevan Krogan, a molecular biologist and director of UCSF’s Quantitative Biosciences Institute, which works in partnership with 100 research laboratories. “People do have antibodies, but the antibodies are waning quickly.” And if antibodies diminish, “then there is a good chance the immunity from a vaccine would wane too.”
Fifth news item
The vexing problem of reopening schools:
The White House has blocked CDC officials from testifying in a House Education and Labor Committee hearing scheduled next week on reopening schools, a senior CDC official confirmed to The Daily Beast. The committee’s chair, Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA), had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield last week to testify on July 23 to discuss “the immediate needs of K-12 public schools to safely reopening.” But, at the direction of the White House, Redfield won’t attend.
California governor says schools in counties on COVID-19 watchlist (33/58 counties) must stay closed:
A county has to be off the state’s COVID-19 monitoring list for 14 consecutive days before schools there can reopen for in-person learning. Under the new mandate, it’s unlikely that many California districts will be able to have classroom instruction at the start of the school year.
Sixth news item
Considering Trump, conservatives, and the three likely outcomes of the presidential election:
So let’s walk through the three most likely outcomes of the presidential election and ponder the impact of those events. One can reasonably foresee a narrow Trump victory, a narrow Trump loss, and (based on present polling trends) a decisive Trump loss…Analyzing a close Trump victory is easy. It would not only decisively reaffirm the bond between Trump and the GOP, it will represent a second consecutive national political earthquake…He’ll be the man who survived a pandemic, urban unrest, impeachment, and a special counsel. He’ll stand astride the GOP like a colossus…If Trump loses narrowly, expect a viciously toxic atmosphere—with furious Trump partisans blaming enemies within and without for Trump’s loss, and opportunistic populists delicately positioning themselves to serve as better standard-bearers for the new, truly populist Republican Party…A serious Trump loss, however, leads to interesting, branching possibilities—but all against the sad (for conservatives) backdrop of progressive energy that could well surpass anything Hillary Clinton could have accomplished had she won in 2016…First, the Trump die-hards will still play the victim (“It was the pandemic!” “It was the media!”), and the smaller GOP left over after a blowout loss will hail mainly from the deepest red states and districts, so there will be an audience for Trump apologetics…
Hero:
On July 9th, my six year old nephew Bridger saved his little sister’s life by standing between her and a charging dog. After getting bit several times on the face and head, he grabbed his sister’s hand and ran with her to keep her safe. He later said, “If someone had to die, I thought it should be me.”
90 stitches later, Bridger continues to recover from the harrowing event. God bless his noble little heart.
Have a good weekend.
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:46 amWhat are Federal law enforcement officers doing in Portland?
It’s quite simple, really.
(if you haven’t watched Hamilton yet on Disney, what are you waiting for?!)
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:00 amNo a trump loss will the end of this country, these vermin can not be allowed to win.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:08 amAkshually, impeding the function of the federal judiciary authorizes the President to send in the military. Doing it the
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:12 am19841934 way is easier on the Burghers’ sleep and digestion.3. A Trump loss will not mean the end of the country; a Trump loss will speed the end of the country.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:13 amMaybe “some people” will even stop and think before using German words when discussing coronavirus precautions.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:15 amnothing says law and order like night and fog mr nk
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:17 am7. Desperate times call for desperate measures, dontcha know?
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:18 amTrump is already a loss for America. Mark her tombstone “July 4, 1776 — January 20, 2017”. All that’s left is maggots feasting off her dead corpse. Vote for your favorite maggot!
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:18 amEveryone can relax.
The unidentifiable secret police in camoflage and unmarked vehicles were just taking the suspects into Schutzhaft, er, ah, “protective custody”. For their own safety, you see!
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:38 amAnarchy breeds tyranny and tyranny breeds anarchy, and that’s all most people are fit for. Democracy is for the intelligent, the educated, the socially adjusted, and the socially responsible.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:46 amUnsurprising: no tweet from Trump re Lewis’s passing. Pelosi ordered flags at US Capitol to half-staff, but nothing from Trump re federal buildings.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:48 amThe question of what’s happening in Portland can best be answered with another question:
‘What have the government/police/city leaders of Portland been doing about the lawlessness, riots, assaults, destruction of property etc. in Portland?
Now the thugs are crying for protection after weeks of kristallnacht?
Laughable.
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And this isn’t something new in Portland. This boil has been festering for a while:
“Earlier this year, we were thrilled to join with Mayor Ted Wheeler and cut the ribbon for our new Sorel offices downtown at Southwest Broadway and Taylor Street. Sorel footwear is a tremendous success story, a growing brand known for being the most fashion in outdoor and the most outdoor in fashion.
Although it began decades ago in Canada as a functional men’s footwear brand, it is in the creative Portland environment that the brand has been transformed and become a leading seller of fashionable women’s footwear.
Our celebration of our new offices ended swiftly. We were immediately receiving reports from employees that they were being hassled, harassed and threatened by individuals near our office. A few days ago, one of our employees had to run into traffic when a stranger outside our office followed her and threatened to kill her. On other occasions our employees have arrived at work only to be menaced by individuals camping in the doorway.
And our employees have had so many car break-ins downtown that we have started referring to parking in Portland as our “laptop donation program.” Last night it happened again to one of our newest transplants to Oregon, a European who recently moved his family to Oregon. As he hosted one of our biggest customers downtown, his windows were smashed and his laptop and travel papers were stolen.
Given these experiences, it is a relief when the only thing we are dealing with is the garbage and human waste by our front door. Think about that for a minute.“
Tim Boyle – CEO Columbia Sportswear – Nov 2017
harkin (5af287) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:59 am_
Dubya’s statement on Lewis:
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:08 amPoor, poor, internationalist money-grubber is not find it easy to make money in Portland? Where my genuine $49.99 Stradivarius from China?
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:10 amDon’t forget how the Groupthink idiots at Occupy Atlanta (one of the forerunners to Antifa and BLM) treated John Lewis:
https://youtu.be/FaBFhRsi4Gw
harkin (5af287) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:14 am_
After Trump dies, one of the more challenging assignments for law enforcement will be preventing all the people walking up and pissing on his grave.
Vladeck’s final paragraph is solid:
It’s akin to Putin’s little green men who were roaming over the Crimean region of Ukraine.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:25 amno real rebuttal, you have seen how you can’t be woke enough, media matters susan rosenberg, they all play the note, you bow even after your storefront is destroyed, columbus is vandalized a sign that they want to abolish your history,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:26 amand john lewis outright libeled the tea party when they were the only public presence against obama, once upon a time he was a hero, but for the last quarter century, he was a scoundrel,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:34 amThe unidentifiable secret police in camoflage and unmarked vehicles were just taking the suspects into Schutzhaft
If they were enforcing social distancing and mask mandates, you’d have a tingle up your leg.
beer ‘n pretzels (65ab42) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:42 amno te preocupes:
https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/07/18/statue-of-white-jesus-toppled-and-beheaded-in-miami/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:45 amWhy waste time quoting a Trump hating newspaper full of anonymous sources about how trump is behaving. Is it just wish-fulfillment for liberals and never-trumpers?
As for John Lewis, I have no idea why this guy became the Civil Rights leader that every Moderate Republican loved to loved. I’m pretty old, and I can’t remember anyone talking about this guy in the 1990’s or earlier. But then out of nowhere you had McCain telling the USA in the 2008 debates that John Lewis was one of his most (or was it the most) admired men, ever, ever. And now you have Bush yapping away about how sad he is over his death. Didn’t Lewis call Bush-II a racist? Didn’t Lewis call the Tea Party racists, and claim he overhead them call him the N-word, when no audio or TV picked it up?
It just shows how worthless the moderate Republicans are. 100-1, Mittens will pop up soon, and tell us he’s in tears over John Lewis’ death. Pathetic.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:52 amTrump Campaign Legal Adviser Appears on Kremlin-Backed TV
A top Trump campaign adviser recently appeared on the Russian-government funded TV network RT, which U.S. intelligence agencies have said plays a role in the Kremlin’s plans to undermine American democracy.
Trump campaign senior legal adviser Jenna Ellis’ appearance on RT’s The Alex Salmond Show aired on July 9. She appears to be the first Trump campaign official to go on the Russian-funded network since the 2016 election.
During her interview, Ellis defended Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic and bashed the American media as “propagandist activist media.” Ellis also accused Fox News—the cable news network most friendly to the president—of having an anti-Trump bias.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:53 am………
yes I remember how one had to speak out in hushed tones against obama and his terrorist comrade, for fear of provoking violence, according to the sainted john lewis,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:57 amIf they were enforcing social distancing and mask mandates, you’d have a tingle up your leg.
beer ‘n pretzels (65ab42) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:42 am
Projecting straw man fantasies must be bred in the Trumpkin genes.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:00 amrussia promotes russian interests, american newcasters promote chinese and qatari ones, with some russian dezinforma that schiff stuffs under the door,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:02 amLewis on Palin and McCain From October 2008:
“What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history,” Lewis said in a statement issued today for Politico’s Arena forum. “Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”
“George Wallace never threw a bomb,” Lewis noted. “He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.”
And McCain’s Admiration:
Appearing with Barack Obama at a forum at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in August, McCain included Lewis as one of “three wise men” he would consult as president.
“He can teach us all a lot about the meaning of courage and commitment to causes greater than our self-interest,” McCain said of Lewis.
Now, Lewis is castigating McCain in the harshest of terms.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:03 amspeaking of Russia, Does anyone remmber that John Weaver, head of the Lincoln Project, is a registered agent for Russia?
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:04 amno, he gave that up, but it was his obtuseness that thought he could get away with that, chertoff never trumper extraordinare, did shill for firtash, but that doesn’t matter,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:08 amspeaking of Russia, Does anyone remmber that John Weaver, head of the Lincoln Project, is a registered agent for Russia?
You do, rcocean, but I think you’re the only one who does.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:09 amIt’s not just the president who botched the pandemic response, but governors as wel.
https://reason.com/2020/05/26/the-president-and-governors-alike-botched-the-pandemic-response/
In the midst of several states reporting record high numbers of infections and deaths on a daily basis, we have the CDC and the FDA blocking private labs from performing tests and private businesses from providing medical supplies, the federal government hijacking medical equipment and supplies, overwhelmed hospitals smuggling equipment and supplies to avoid federal hijacking,, governors suing mayors to prevent mask mandates, the list goes on, it’s a complete failure of government at all levels.
People are dying. This disease is raging out of control, and the longer we continue down this path we’re on, the more infections, hospitalizations and deaths we will come to.
It’s insane. Other countries took this outbreak seriously from the beginning, months ago, and now have it contained. But the United States, the richest country in the world with the best medical care didn’t and can’t? It’s beyond insane.
Politics above public health. We’ll see how that works out, and it won’t end well.
As to the upcoming election, Eric Boehm makes a good point that it will be decided by the so-called “hate voters,” those who do not support the nominee of either party.
https://reason.com/2020/07/17/potential-key-to-the-2020-election-voters-who-cant-stand-both-trump-and-biden/
He is correct that most of these voters held their noses and voted for Trump, because he was slightly less detestable than Clinton. I wasn’t one of them. I voted Libertarian.
That was 2016. In 2020, most of those voters are breaking for Biden.
I am not one of them, but I’m not too keen on the Libertarian candidate this year.
So what am I to do? I’m probably going to ask for a paper ballot and write in Justin Amash.
At least he’s true to his beliefs and principles, which is more than I can say about the other candidates.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:10 amFox News’ Neil Cavuto Cuts Away From Trump Speech to Fact-Check Attacks on Obama’s Economy
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…….. Cavuto …….said……Trump had “mischaracterized the regulations that were added under Barack Obama — they were largely financial related.”
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The Fox News anchor also rejected Trump’s premise that those financial regulations yielded devastating results.
“The unemployment rate did, under Barack Obama, go down from a high of 10% to around 4.7%. President Trump, of course, sent that even lower, eventually getting us down to a 3.5% unemployment rate. …….
“It was not a disaster under Barack Obama,” Cavuto said. “Not only did the Dow essentially triple during his tenure, but whether you want to call the increase regulations and other things that police financial companies, as a bane to our existence, those companies did very well. Americans did very, very well. So I just want to put that in some context here.”
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:11 am>>>>>>
I guess this is what Ellis was talking about-Fox News actually fact checking the President instead of their usual cheerleading. Shocking!
When did quoting Liberal Democrat David French become news? LOL. i can’t say much about his analysis, except its completely bereft of the policy implications of Trump winning or losing. If Trump wins, we’ll be able to replace Ginsberg with a conservative and continue to appoint conservatie judges. We’ll also be able to prevent the Democrats from giving open borders, legalized voter fraud, socialized medicine, and police de-funding. If Trump loses, the USA will simply go the way of California – a one party state forever.
As for internal Republican party politics if Trump loses. French ignores the fact that he and all his other liberal/moderate cronies have Zero Credibility. Before he could talk about how we needed to be pragmatic and nominate fakes like Bush-II, Jeb, or Romney because WE HAD TO WIN. But after saying for 2 POTUS elections that it doesn’t matter if the Republican wins, that PRINCIPLE is all important…well no one is going to listen. The Republican base/Trump supporters are NEVER going to listen to traitors like French again. They’ve outed themselves.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:12 amFox Attacks the Washington Post—in the Best Way Possible
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:14 am31. The disease is raging out of control? Dude, we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve. It will burn itself out before we get a vaccine.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:17 amThe Authoritarian Operation in Portland Is Only a Dress Rehearsal
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:20 am………
A major American city is being softly Pinochet’ed in broad daylight. And, if we know one thing, if this president and his administration get away with this, it will only get worse. You’d have to be out of your mind—or comatose since the Fall of 2016—not to suspect that this could be a dry run for the kind of general urban mobilization at which the president* has been hinting since this summer’s protests began.
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Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:23 amPost a link to studies that say that or you’re just pulling it out of somewhere.
Susan Rosenberg is a terrorist and a despicable person, but let’s not pretend she’s playing anymore than a bit role in Black Lives Matter. She’s vice chair of the board of directors for Thousand Currents, an organization that provides fundraising and administrative tasks for BLM. The actual extent of her personal involvement in BLM is unclear, and she’s not in any BLM leadership position, so all this harping on about her is fairly ridiculous.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:23 amIt’s more than fair to say that there are progressives and a smattering of Marxists in BLM, but that doesn’t mean they’re a Marxist organization. To the extent that they use violence during protests or block freeways or engage in other illegal activities, criticize the hell out of ’em. Otherwise, they’re another left-wing protest group with a political agenda, misguided as they are about defunding police.
And I’m also getting sick and tired hearing the nonsense and hyperbole about the false choice that this upcoming election is between Trump and socialism.
‘to speak the truth, in a time of deceit is a revolutionary act’ so sayeth orwell, whittaker chambers, thought in the end, he was joining ‘the losing side’ and nearly 70 years after witness I can’t truthfully say otherwise, gramsci has made a victory tour through the academy and now corporate america, and to that there is a tinny arf, ‘maybe the constitution is a suicide pact’ as justice jackson stated, then again he never imagined it would be twisted this way, I am fraid will have to say to Franklin ‘sorry we couldn’t keep it long past two and quarter centuries
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:24 amThe Authoritarian Operation in Portland Is Only a Dress Rehearsal
What will we call it when it’s the real thing? How about “lockdown”.
beer ‘n pretzels (65ab42) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:29 amGryph: “we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve”
Could you describe Alaska’s Denali for me?
noel (4d3313) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:31 am“The disease is raging out of control? Dude, we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve. It will burn itself out before we get a vaccine.”
Today Arizona reported a new one day high for deaths – 147. But I am reliably told on this blog that people die all the time in Arizona so it’s not a concern.
Victor (a225f9) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:31 amZack Beauchamp
@zackbeauchamp
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If someone told you, before Trump took office, that unidentified state security officers would start disappearing people into unmarked vans — what would you think had happened to the country?
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Zack Beauchamp
@zackbeauchamp
I don’t play this game often, but this time it’s revealing: Imagine if Obama had done this to Tea Partiers
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JT LOL
@jtlol
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Who can forget the Tea Party Riots of 2009?
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Eduardo de la Goya
@Falconeddie1
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I have a photo from one of those wild tea party riots
Let me see if I can find it….Hey here it is
https://twitter.com/Falconeddie1/status/1284219428750663680?s=20
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Zombie Claude Rains
@ZombieClaudeR
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Because the circumstances are so similar, except, you know, the arson, looting, property damage, assaults, etc. But besides the actual crime, almost indistinguishable!
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Robert Craigen
@RCsEvilTwin
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Here’s what I remember about Tea Party events:
Across town OWS riots cost municipalities 5+ figures $$ cleaning up garbage and vandalism damage, while city crews generally reported that Tea Partiers cleaned up after themselves & left areas in better shape than when they came.
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Greg D
@Fungusaur
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Because the Tea Party was nonviolent, you feel safe lying about them being violent.
Because Antifa is violent, you are afraid, so you lie about them being peaceful.
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Ozark Finesse Guy Redux
harkin (5af287) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:32 am@DTReeves2
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… something something Lois Lerner…
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Demonstrations are a human right. Vandalism, graffiti, and window smashing are obliviously wrong and not a part of rightful demonstrations. Government should intervene to prevent these crimes. However, the government is also obligated to act lawfully. A secret police rounding up people without scrupulous adherence to legal norms strikes me as more worrisome than the crimes committed by the thugs. I fear the hand of the government more than I fear a mob. The history of the world is the history of government overactions. I am for the demonstrations in Hong Kong, also.
Fred (79d82a) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:35 amDo you listen to yourself? David French is a liberal Democrat like I’m a campaign volunteer for Trump 2020.
Do you have any principles that don’t boil down to reactionary tribalism? It liberal Democrats didn’t exist, what would you say is important to you politically?
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:37 amhttps://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/students_defending_cancel_culture_raise_alarms.html
Students raised not to believe in freedom of speech.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:39 amhttps://noqreport.com/2020/07/15/blm-activist-henry-e-washington-arrested-for-killing-a-cop-mainstream-media-yawns/
More cops shot and murdered, this time by a BLM activist. Media ignores.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:43 am42. People die all the time everywhere. But if you’re willing to surrender control of your life because “experts” tell you to, I guess there’s really nothing that can be done. I’ll just sit here in my corner and thank God daily that I live in South Dakota.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:43 amhttps://www.recordonline.com/story/news/2020/01/29/hudson-valley-cop-saves-2-year-olds-life-with-cpr/111703880/
The stories that never get spread far and wide.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:45 amI had read somewhere that there are documented cases of Legionaire’s Disease (a bacterial infection treated with antibiotics) being misdiagnosed as CoViD-19 without tests. I wonder what percentage of hospital beds in Texas and Arizona are being taken up by people that could be given an antibiotic and told to go home. SMDH
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:46 amhttps://dailycaller.com/2020/07/16/fox-refuses-fire-nick-cannon-anti-semitic-anti-white-comments/
Must be nice having that kind of privilege.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:46 amTrump’s Fumbling of the Coronavirus Crisis Could Kill the College Football Season
One of Donald Trump’s favorite things to do as President has been visiting college football games in friendly locations, bathing his eternally needy ego in applause and affirmation. Last season alone, he attended the LSU-Alabama game in November, the Army-Navy game in December, and the College Football Playoff championship between LSU and Clemson in January. ……
That’s going to be a difficult vanity play to repeat in 2020.
There will be no college football crowds of the usual size. There might not be college football, period……
If the season dies, we know who had the biggest hand in killing any chance of it happening: Donald Trump.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:48 am……..
Slow to respond, quick to downplay the risk, unwilling to create a national strategy, quite willing to attack governors who took the pandemic seriously, pushing for premature openings of states, flaunting a no-mask stance for months and turning that into a belligerent political statement, Trump and his ideologues are now marinating in a midsummer mess of their own creation. What an epic failure of leadership, one that will deprive Trump of his cherished autumn fealty festivals at a packed football stadium.
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This really applies to all sports. I doubt baseball will complete their 60 game “season” without a major CIVID-19 outbreak. The same applies to pro football and basketball. The NBA has already had breeches in “bubble” in Florida.
tell us what value the marxist mob will allow you to have, speech, assembly, religion, everything serves their purpose of redistributing wealth to themselves, rosenberg is the last wave, chomsky, zinn and ayers long preceded them, a puppet like that in minneapolis or seattle are very helpful,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:49 amAs usual, Gryph read “something somewhere” without providing evidence or a link.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:50 am52. I don’t get you Trump haters. What could have have done, what should he have done that he didn’t do? I agree with you that he’s an inarticulate stooge who doesn’t engender a lot of confidence in the Federal Government, but I didn’t have confidence in FedGov to begin with. As a conservo-libertarian, I’ve spent my whole adult life thinking that the government that does less, works better.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:50 am54. Just because I don’t provide a link doesn’t mean it’s not true. And even if it were true, do you think it would be reported on as it doesn’t fit your “OH NOZ ITZ DEDLY!” narrative?
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:51 amWhat will we call it when it’s the real thing? How about “lockdown”.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:52 amTrump’s re-election.
Rep Lewis is the one that said Trump was an illegitimate president. Did you have a problem with that? Will you have a problem with the president not being invited to the funeral? What about when he lied about the tea party and Breitbart offered money for anyone coming forward to prove Lewis’s slanderous statements?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:53 am58. No surprise to me. Lots of Lewis love from conservatives now that the execrable race hustler is dead. I’m sure when Al Sharpton finally shuffles off his mortal coil, there will be a lot of praise from Republicans despite his blatantly anti-semitic history, as well.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:54 amwith a cdc that was focused on gun control and obesity, a who head who owed his post to china, a
treacherous opposition, that maintained this fraudulent impeachment, and welcome as many vectors into san francisco and nyc, tell me what he was supposed to do, gryph
yes berenson is one of the few who has mined the data, past the blank pages of the republic of pandemia, as he likes to call it, dr todaro has manned the front against scientific malpractice, as lancet committed for their client gilead, pay to play as they say,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:55 am@55-
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:00 amAs I’ve said before, I didn’t vote for President in 2016 and I won’t be voting again this year. Trump was morally unfit to be President from the beginning, and he’s proved me correct. I’ve spent the money I would normally give to the RNC on specific House races around the country.
51, Nick Cannon (and Empire, if one thinks about it) + Chris Wallace prove there should be no assumption of symbiosis between Fox over-the-Air and Fox News
urbanleftbehind (5f1852) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:01 amThere will be a 60 game season plus playoffs and World Series, but the champion, at best, will resemble the B team from a spring training split squad game day (minors/MiLB are cancelled, so there’s a reserve of 100 to draw from).
urbanleftbehind (5f1852) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:05 am@56-
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:06 amAssertions like yours without evidence (or at least a link to the RT story you’re reading) are just BS.
The opposite of Goya Foods CEO:
urbanleftbehind (5f1852) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:11 amhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/james-harden-wears-thin-blue-line-mask-reaction-swift-n1234178
Leaders in Ohio try a new plea: Take the virus seriously if you want to get sports back.
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“If we want Friday night football in the fall,” Gov. Mike DeWine posted Friday on Twitter, “we must all take precautions now.” After urging social distancing, mask wearing and hand-washing, Mr. DeWine added “#IWantASeason,” a hashtag he and others have posted repeatedly in recent days.
Though governors aren’t known as hashtag trendsetters, the #IWantASeason message has resonated in sports-loving Ohio, where more than 1,600 new coronavirus cases were announced Friday, a single-day record.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:11 am…….
Yeah, downward spiral. Not COVID-19, but some semblance of normalcy in the fall.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-campaign-official-mocked-cops-as-worse-than-pigs
Speaks for Biden and speaks for itself.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:12 amotoh, if it wasn’t for ted kennedy, I might not be here, an uncle drowned in the florida straights, otoh, it wasn’t for liberals in the state department and company, the ones who bought vilma espin damsel act, fidel would have properly been dealt with, and I would have no need to be here, my country of birth, would not have starving citizens and a citiscape out of dresden,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:15 amThere will be a 60 game season plus playoffs and World Series, but the champion, at best, will resemble the B team from a spring training split squad game day (minors/MiLB are cancelled, so there’s a reserve of 100 to draw from).
Not if you have a major COVID-19 outbreak among one or two teams. They will need to quarantine not the infected teams, but any team they played. Especially given the model the MLB is using, letting teams to remain rather than a “bubble” like the NBA.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:15 amhttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/16/berkeley-city-council-slashes-police-budget-50-no-more-traffic-stops/
This will certainly turn out well.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:21 amBLM is a marxist organization. They were created as one, run as one and promote their propaganda as one.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:21 amfree thinkers in ahia, think dewine and portman, as nearly useless, what did they vote for them for do they stand for anything,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:22 amLet’s all get worked up about a world without pro sports.
beer ‘n pretzels (aee173) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:23 amWith case counts rising, U.S. leaders push stricter measures
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On Friday, for the second time, more than 70,000 coronavirus cases were announced in the United States, according to a New York Times database. A day earlier, the country set a record with 75,600 new cases, the 11th time in the past month that the daily record had been broken.
The outbreak is so widespread that 18 states have been placed in a so-called red zone because they have more than 100 new cases per 100,000 people per week, according to an unpublished report distributed this week by the White House coronavirus task force, which urged many states to take stricter steps to contain the spread.
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More than 10,100 cases were announced on Friday in California, the state’s second-highest daily total yet.
In Florida, where more than 11,400 cases and more than 125 deaths were reported on Friday, some localities added curfews. With its hospitals reaching capacity, Broward County imposed a curfew from 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. beginning Friday. Curfews were also imposed in the city of Miami Beach and the rest of Miami-Dade County.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:25 am…….
The record for U.S. daily cases has more than doubled since June 24, when the country registered 37,014 cases, after a lull in the outbreak that kept the previous record, 36,738, standing for two months. Daily virus fatalities had decreased slightly until last week, when they began rising again.
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To quote Gryph: Dude, we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve. It will burn itself out before we get a vaccine.
Obligatory Kevin Bacon reference.
@73-
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:26 amThat’s when I have my beer and pretzels!
For an interesting account of the Portland situation people may want to read this assessment by a liberal:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/07/at-least-we-can-no-longer-pretend-that-there-is-no-crisis
The thinking is that even though the actions taken by the federal agents in Portland are within the letter of their authority, they are actually in violation of norms regarding state/federal/city police interaction, and that one of the hallmarks of Trump’s character is a willingness to bust through norms if it’s to his benefit.
The real purpose of what’s going on appears to be generating videos to be used in Trump campaign ads about how scary socialist Democrats are. So much scarier than a sort of flu that appears to be a problem for some people maybe.
Victor (a225f9) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:27 amthere are no liberal, there are just terrorist enablers and those that haven’t been cancelled yet,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:29 amChris Wallace interviewing Trump, fact checks him on his claim that Biden wants to defund the police.
https://twitter.com/brooklynmutt/status/1284205912283140096
The think I find most unbelievable about this is Trump actually reading a hundred page document.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:30 amfine lets pretend an attack on the portland courthouse didn’t matter, like ali velshi, he must farsi for idiot,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:47 amthey are actually in violation of norms regarding state/federal/city police interaction
“Keep Portland Weird”
beer ‘n pretzels (04f282) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:50 amChris Wallace interviewing Trump, fact checks him on his claim that Biden wants to defund the police.
Yes, someone desperate to enforce the Logan Act probably needs the police around.
beer ‘n pretzels (04f282) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:53 amone of the panther’s atty at the bernstein shindig,
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/attorney-advocating-new-york-prosecution-roger-stone-previously-represented-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-argued-exoneration/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:14 amWhere in their charter do they support totalitarianism and government ownership or control of the means of production? You won’t find it, because you’re engaging in unfounded hyperbole.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:16 amYour post about Bridger reminds me of the passengers of Flight 93 which was taken down in Shanksville, PA. This is the American spirit at its finest.
John B Boddie (f44786) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:18 am74. How many of those “rising cases” are from Legionella infections? I’m not saying I know, but it’s definitely a plausible scenario:
Shut down commercial buildings for months so that the water in the plumbing stagnates and loses its chlorine content, and then Legionella cultures on the pipe walls start to infect people that drink from the faucets that haven’t been properly flushed. Oh look! Here are more pneumonia cases that can be misdiagnosed as CoViD! Only these pneumonia cases are bacterial, and nobody’s bothering to treat them with the proper antibiotics, so the death counts go up even more, even though they’re not all CoViD deaths. In fact, an increasingly smaller percentage of them actually are!
This is what it looks like when the cure is worse than the disease.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:30 am83. BLM cofounder Patrisse Cullors described herself as a “trained Marxist.” One might argue that on the basis of that, and the information on the BLM website, that they don’t know what real Marxism is and that might be true. But they fancy themselves Marxist on the basis of their desire for a violent overthrow of capitalism. That seems to be the most salient point to me.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:32 amContinuing that wonderful monologue from Hamilton:
When you’re gone, I’ll go mad
So don’t throw away this thing we had
‘Cause when push comes to shove
I will kill your friends and family to remind you of my love
I agree with Dave that it is a WONDERFUL play (and it is a filmed Broadway play, from 2016, with the original cast). It may take some adjustment getting into the dialects.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:41 am@85-
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:41 amPure speculation. Assumes facts not in evidence.
Regarding Portland, what the DHS is doing is unconstitutional.
Atricle IV, Section 4:
As I understand it, neither the governor nor legislature has asked for this “help.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:43 amOne, Officer Shoop was killed by his fellow officer, in the crossfire. Two, we do know that Mr. Washington supported BLM. You don’t know if he’s an activist, which is speculative. Those are the facts. Every other commercial building in Seattle has one kind of BLM sign or another. It doesn’t mean that every other Seattleite gives money to BLM or shows up at their protests. So much hyperbole going on out there.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:45 amThe people who wrote the Constitution were quite aware that a federal government might be aggressive when it came to popular demonstrations in a given state, and put up a roadblock to make sure that it couldn’t do so.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:46 amSo much hyperbole going on out there.
To match the apologisms.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:47 amBTW, that same Article Iv would prevent the federal government from ordering any measure regarding Covid-19, save those that operated across state lines. They could, for example, bar interstate travel entirely but they could not make me wear a mask in the supermarket if my state did not mandate that.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:50 am88. That describes most of the nation’s CoViD policy so far. I don’t know why it bothers you so much when the speculation doesn’t fit the narrative. (yeah, I know; I answered my own question)
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:53 amThey’ve tried to whitewash their website and disappeared a lot of their marxist demands, but history still exists on the internet… for now.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-releases-policy-agenda-n620966
Speaking of hyperbole, you’re engaging in it Paul. The marxists at BLM call themselves such. I take them at their word.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:53 amDefense secretary effectively bans Confederate flags from military bases while rejecting ‘divisive symbols’
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In his memo Friday, Esper sought to cast his decision as an affirmation of the American flag and what it means. He did not mention the base-naming issue.
“Flags are powerful symbols, particularly in the military community for whom flags embody common mission, common histories, and the special, timeless bond of warriors,” Esper said in his memo, which was obtained by The Washington Post. “As Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, a veteran of the Second World War, once wrote about the United States flag: ‘It is a symbol of freedom, of equal opportunity, of religious tolerance, and of good will for other peoples who share our aspirations.’ ”
Esper said that in addition to the American flag, several others are authorized, including those of U.S. states and territories, the District, military services, general officers, Senate-confirmed presidential appointees, American allies and partners, and organizations such as NATO in which the United States is a member, as well as the POW/MIA flag.
Confederate flags are absent from that list.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:54 am…….
This policy won’t survive a second Trump term.
The federal government has the authority to protect federal property and employees inside a state with federal police. When it comes to the functioning of federal courts, Trump could even send in the military. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/252
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:55 amAttorney General Rosenblum Files Lawsuit Against Homeland Security
The link goes to the plaintiff’s website, rather than a neutral party. It’s hard to separate the facts from the spin (e.g. “peaceful protester”). Parties to a lawsuit often shade or omit facts.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:56 amThe federal government has the authority to protect federal property and employees inside a state with federal police.
How far away from those federal buildings does this reach?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:58 amThis policy won’t survive a second Trump term.
“So much hyperbole going on out there.”
beer ‘n pretzels (8dac67) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:59 amhttps://web.archive.org/web/20200212055930/https://policy.m4bl.org/about/
Ahh, the good ol way back machine is so helpful when it comes to smoking out the marxists. Now I leave the rest to you Paul.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:00 amThis policy won’t survive a second Trump term.
It may not survive the Supreme Court, at least not the inclusion of the POW/MIA flag, which is a political flag, not a State flag. If one statement about a lost cause is allowed, why not another?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:01 amSo who is being derelict
https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffgiesea/status/1284522732063993856
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:03 amI love the “Trump is a racist, neo-confederate, Putin’s lover, dictator, not dictatorial enough, criminal, etc…”, but BLM Marxist??? What??!! Where’s that in their charter?? LOL
beer ‘n pretzels (8dac67) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:04 amThe Gadsden flag, symbol of yet another lost cause, is also not on the list. Nor is the Betsy Ross flag, for that matter.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:05 amSubtitles for the win.
I’m pretty much completely unable to pick unknown/unfamiliar speech out of a noisy background.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:06 amPresident Trump says he will not issue a national mandate requiring Americans to wear masks in order to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.
Good, because he can’t. If he could order us to all wear masks, he could order us to all drink bleach. There’s a reason this isn’t allowed.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:08 amI’m pretty much completely unable to pick unknown/unfamiliar speech out of a noisy background.
At points, yes. But given a decent S/N, it’s not worse than Shakespeare.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:10 amThat first consort christina cuomo would have us do.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:10 amI watched a video review that claimed Hamilton averages something like 140 words per minute, and in some places bursts of over 200 wpm.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:13 amAs far as Covid-19 is concerned …
The virus is hardy, and persists on surfaces; it is airborne; it is highly contagious; it does not debilitate most carriers; most carriers are infections before symptoms present; it has a long incubation, allowing spread; it is deadly and debilitating enough to halt the world economy; it is not deadly enough to end all life; antibodies are short-lived.
What, if anything, would you need to do to weaponize this? If this WAS a bioweapon, I’d give the designers an “A”.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:19 amYou’re proving that BLM is into liberalism and social justice, not Marxism, Rob, so thanks for that confirmation. BLM is quiet on the subject of taking over the economy.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:20 amMuch of that is contradictory or anecdotal
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:21 am111. Um, not so much. A bioweapon would have to kill a far higher percentage of people that get it than CoViD does. All viruses persist on surfaces to some degree. If that is true about CoViD-19, that doesn’t make it unique or even really unusual by a longshot.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:22 amThat you think liberalism has the same platform as marxism speaks more about you than them Paul. But keep it up.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:22 amTrump keeps fighting a Confederate flag battle many supporters have conceded
President Donald Trump is fighting to retain people’s right to fly the Confederate battle flag — but many of his own supporters and government have already turned in their swords.
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……. Trump himself in 2015 told reporters that it was time to move the Confederate flag from state capitols to museums.
Yet 2020 Trump has barreled ahead, repeatedly defending the flag as a “freedom of speech” issue, and comparing it this week to “Black Lives Matter” signage. For Trump, the stance is part of a broader strategy to inflame the culture wars around so-called cancel culture, which has enraged conservatives who lament everything from the reimagining of corporate logos, to the vandalization of historical statues, to the censoring of “Golden Girls” episodes because the main characters wore mud masks.
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According to a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday, the majority of Americans, 56 percent, responded that they viewed the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism, compared to 35 percent who view it as a symbol of Southern heritage. Even those in Southern states aren’t as hot on the Confederacy these days — 55 percent of respondents from the South saw the flag as a racist symbol, while 35 percent did not.
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……. [W]ith his reelection on the line, Trump is recontextualizing his view on the flag in a culture war-friendly manner, hoping to speak to his Republican base.
While the majority of Americans now see the Confederate flag as a racist symbol, 74 percent of Republicans view the flag as representing Southern heritage, according to the Quinnipiac poll, while only 16 percent see it as racist.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:24 am………
Its a weapon of terror, designed to destabilize primarily western economies in combination with their pro lockdown media campaign
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:24 amTo clarify further, there is nothing liberal about leftists. They love to steal words to cloak their lies. Look at the “affordable care act” for example.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:25 amRight, because calling things as they are is “apologism”, and presenting false choices such as the election being about Trump or socialism is some kind of “truth”. I remember similar false choices made in 2008, and the union survived the socialist onslaught.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:25 amNothing sadder than a fool that doesnt learn
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1284358180416479233
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:26 amUm, I already said that I’m sure there are self-professed Marxists at BLM. It doesn’t mean they’re a Marxist organization; that part is hyperbole.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:28 amFor any who didn’t click the link, these are some of the policies that Paul calls liberal:
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:28 amPut an aggressively ignorant sociopath, who actively works to thwart science-based countermeasures, in charge of the target’s response?
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:30 amTrump: John Kerry ‘Should Be Prosecuted’ Under Logan Act
DRJ (aede82) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:32 amAnother weekend shot in teh ass over Trump. Good show!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:34 amRead the news. But, but, but, he didn’t do it FAST enough. What baloney.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:34 amThe thing is, if you would’ve asked me the question four years ago, I probably would’ve said “yes”, they’re Marxists, for this line:
But they took that out and re-focused on social justice, probably because they figured out that most liberals want no part of economic collectives.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:35 amShould have sent the drones, just to make sure.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:35 am127. Or maybe they’re trying to hide just how Marxist they still are so that the SJW types find their violent revolutionary tendances to be a little more palatable.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:38 amThis was happening around the time there was an attempt of the opposition conference in europe before the bombing of the saudi oil terminal, was kerry providing strategy.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:38 amThe pander fest over Lewis’s death is really quite silly. Yes, it was nice he was there 55 years ago marching for civil rights, but that was 55 years ago. He wasn’t any more noble than the 2 million guys who fought in Vietnam or tens of thousands of heroic soldiers, policmen, fire-fighters since. HE was for Civil Rights because it was good for black folks. What black person was AGAINST Civil rights? In fact, if you go back and look at it, almost all of white america, north of the mason-dixon line was for civil rights.
He reminds me of McCain, who lived off his Vietnam heroism, despite being a Jerk of the highest order, for 45 years. Lewis wasn’t a jerk, but good Lord, can we stop acting like we’ve lost the wisest man in America.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:39 amHow far away from those federal buildings does this reach?
Yemen?
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:40 am131. I dunno. I think if Lewis wasn’t a jerk, he skirted that line quite adeptly.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:41 amYou forgot about ft hood or flight 253 or the attempted attack in your own city of chicago.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:41 am23.Trump Campaign Legal Adviser Appears on Kremlin-Backed TV
So did Richard Nixon: 5/28/72. It’s a Republican thing.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:43 amGood to see Trump defending Confederate Flags. They’ve been there in the USA army for over 100 years. The confederate flag was with the US army at the Meuse Argonne, D-Day, Okinawa, Inchon, and Vietnam. I’ve even seen some confederate flags painted on trucks/tanks in the Gulf War. Just some SJW America haters want to get rid of it, is no reason to.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:43 amThe Anti Trumper John Weaver is a REGISTERED RUSSIAN AGENT. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary is taking some Putin $$ – it would make sense given her undermining of America.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:45 amIs anyone in the top levels of the Oregon government, actually born in Oregon?
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:46 amNo he isnt, ocean, he was stupid he could get away with it like vin weber (no consequences) or michael chertoff. Well maybe not that stupid.
Russians havent been burning down police stations tearing dowm statues shooting cops thats the clear and present danger
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:48 amHeck were not sure they are from this planet arquillian maybe.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:48 amTrump is a Boy Scout compared to The Big Dick. Skip rehashing Watergate and just red or listen to Dick dish dirt on everything from Jews, blacks and women o Vietnam, John Kerry the Dems and the Silent Majority.
http://nixontapes.org
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:50 amBut if you dig down to the details of what they mean by “collective ownership”, you get this…
In other words, they want to take nice long suckle from the government teat, in the form of a fat reparations check, and trick-or-treat for a big goodie bag of progressive liberal booty. Its liberalism–and a pretty strong strain of liberalism it is–not Marxism.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:53 amWhere’s your link? I don’t accept your comment because you left out a link. Unless what you are saying is that you get to make a statement without providing a link because “you read something” but some one else must?/sargasm [not sarcasm]
You rely too much on some perceived status of authority, supposedly bestowed, in the use of links. Try imagining that the readers on this site do, in fact, read elsewhere and, as functioning humans, can rely on others possessing a common knowledge base upon which touchstones can exist, references be made, and understanding shared.
Don’t expect it incumbent of others to educate you in details that escape you. It is on for you not to know some things, but complaining about it only draws attention to one’s own deficiencies, not others.
TL;DR
Gryph made a reference in his comment, just like you made a reference in your comment. If you don’t get his reference, that is hardly his fault. Complaining “I don’t understand his reference, his dare he expect me to understand him without spoon-feeding me a link” Is counter productive.
Pro-tip: Issuing a challenge by asking for a link runs the risk of exposing one’s lack of understanding of a subtle point being made.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:56 amBig bad nixon, tell me another story now wage and price controls liplock with mao im not game on, but thats what they loved him for.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:56 amOn should be ok.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:58 am143. Thank you, Felipe. 🙂
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:00 pmOnly links that provoke agita paranoia helplessness
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1284532076000292867
You know we would never have had a panama canal with this attitude
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:01 pmThey would have banned quinine, as they later did with ddt.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:01 pmMan, I hate auto-incorrect.
My proof-reading sucks today.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:03 pmGryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:00 pm
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:04 pmYW.
Daniel Dale
@ddale8
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Trump says Biden wants to defund the police, pointing to his “charter” with Sanders.
Chris Wallace points out the Sanders-Biden task force doesn’t mention defunding police.
Trump, lying: “Oh, really? It says abolish, it says…” To aide: “Let’s go. Get me the charter, please.”
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Tom Layman
@TomLayman
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Joe Biden was asked if funds should be redirected from police departments. He answered “yes, absolutely”. How is this not defunding?
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Jennifer Epstein [Biden Campaign PR]
@jeneps
Even if the Biden-Sanders task force did say they would defund police, its conclusions are recommendations for the Democratic platform committee and in no way binding for Biden to adopt.
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Andre Leadon
@AndreLeadon
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We should redirect some of Jennifer’s paycheck and see if she calls it defunding.
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Lester Dent
harkin (470cbb) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:05 pm@LesterDent
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The only thing binding on Biden are his Depends when they forget to change them.
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Trump is a Boy Scout……
Given the current reputation of the Boy Scouts that’s probably not a good thing.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:06 pmNarciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:56 am
Yep, but to be honest, sometimes I am also guilty.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:08 pmYou prefer the young pioneers
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:08 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5bzrb-v9
I never was much of a fan for Queen. I was always a Black Sabbath, KISS, AC/DC kind of guy, with a heavy dose of Rush and Lynyrd Skynyrd. I was raised on Elvis Presley by my mother, and Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson by my father, but I took my own path when I was a teenager. I followed the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, along with several other alternative bands such as Nazareth and Fog Hat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0McO4sY8pA
Stone Blue
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:09 pmRock and roll helped me through
When I was blue
He’s a Brownie, if anything, and particularly dim-witted one at that.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:09 pmIts hard not to, it saturates the air like spice.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:09 pmBohemian rhapsody is worth a thread on its own, i dismissed it because of waynes word but its not a light song
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:15 pm@143-
If I assert something as “fact” (as Gryph has at #35 and 50) without providing any backup, just pulling it out of his……whatever. I post stories that interest me. If someone disagrees with any post, they are free to argue the point, but if they assert a fact without providing any backup, it’s just something coming out of somewhere.
Trust but verify.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:18 pmIt really is a masterpiece. If night at the opera is Carmina Burana, then Bohemian Rhapsody could be O fortuna. Not as prelude, but in endurance and recognition.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:23 pmWell, this about says it all:
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-pain-getting-worse-cd329f4c-9962-4f40-b401-7a7ac1a393cf.html
And rock an roll won’t save us from that.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:24 pm159. What I asserted was a possibility of something that plausibly could be happening or could happen in the future. Now ask yourself, given that one Legionellosis patient was misdiagnosed as having CoViD-19, what are the odds that she was the only one?
CoViD cowardice is fueled by “facts,” such as they are, entirely lacking in context. If fear is sufficient reason to shut everything down as it appears to be, perhaps the same kind of speculation driving policy ought to be a reason to put the brakes on our economic immolation.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:24 pmIt is, its recited without attention to its depth,
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:26 pm161)Thats what we get for our tax dollars
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:28 pmTrust but verify.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:18 pm
In no way are you to be faulted, by anyone, for that. “Question authority” is also good, but the meaning changes radically with understanding.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:28 pmGryph, don’t let “fork fear” deter you from putting forks in electrical outlets. Those fascists just want to deny you your right to stick forks in things because they want to control you. Be brave man. Stick that fork anywhere you like.
Time123 (6dd7bf) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:30 pmSome authorities less than others
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/07/16/mueller_and_weissmann_op-eds_greatly_at_odds_with_their_report_and_evidence_124483.html
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:31 pm166. Gee Time, there are so many logical fallacies in that so-called “argument,” it’s going to take me a few minutes to decide where to start picking it apart. SMDH
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:32 pmTime123 (6dd7bf) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:30 pm
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:35 pmLOL. yeah, “just fork it!”
Two positive stories. I have not read the 169 comments before this (wow) so my apologies if these were already covered above.
For this one, ignore the stupidity of the online tomato-throwers and focus on the uplifting story itself:
And this one deserves every second of your time you devote to it. Watch every video. Listen to every clip. Read every tweet. I promise you that it will brighten your day, or your money back.
Don’t give in to the fork fear gryph. If god didn’t want you to exercise your natural rights to put forks in outlets he wouldn’t have make the tongs fit so well.
Time123 (6dd7bf) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:40 pmIndeed, people dont understand talent or appreciation for ability.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:40 pmTime is just having a little fun, maybe attempting to cheer you a bit. Joking is evidence that you have friends here. Am I wrong, Time?
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:40 pm173. Well, at the risk of perhaps reading too much into what Time is saying, I’ve sniffed out what stinks like appeal to authority, ad hominem, and false starting premise. If it is all a joke, my apologies for being too sensitive. These are trying times.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:45 pmA Second Coronavirus Death Surge Is Coming
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……. [P]eople are dying at higher rates where there are lots of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations: in Florida, Arizona, Texas, and California, as well as a host of smaller southern states that all rushed to open up.
The deaths are also not happening in an unpredictable amount of time after the new outbreaks emerged. Simply look at the curves yourself. Cases began to rise on June 16; a week later, hospitalizations began to rise. Two weeks after that—21 days after cases rose—states began to report more deaths. That’s the exact number of days that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated from the onset of symptoms to the reporting of a death.
……. [G]iven the policy choices that state and federal officials have made, the virus has done exactly what public-health experts expected. When states reopened in late April and May with plenty of infected people within their borders, cases began to grow. COVID-19 is highly transmissible, makes a large subset of people who catch it seriously ill, and kills many more people than the flu or any other infectious disease circulating in the country.
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There was always a logical, simple explanation for why cases and hospitalizations rose through the end of June while deaths did not: It takes a while for people to die of COVID-19 and for those deaths to be reported to authorities.
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By the absolute or per capita numbers, the U.S. stands out as nearly the only country besides Iran that had a large spring outbreak, began to suppress the virus, and then simply let the virus come back.
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……Nationwide, the U.S. deaths per million tally—a hair under 400—is in the top ten globally. But look just at the Northeast’s 56 million people, and the death rate is more than double the national average: 1,100 deaths per million.
By contrast, the South and West……..are much more populous than the Northeast. If those areas continue to see cases grow, they could see as many deaths per million as the Northeast did but multiplied by a larger number of people. At 1,100 deaths per million, the South and West would see 180,000 more deaths. Even at half the Northeast’s number, that’s another 69,000 Americans.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:45 pm…..
The lack of containment by American authorities has resulted in not only lost lives, but also lost businesses, savings accounts, school years, dreams, public trust, friendships. The country cannot get back to normal with a highly transmissible, deadly virus spreading in our communities. There will be no way to just “live with it.” …….
175. Unless that “Coronavirus” surge turns out to be a Legionellosis surge and we kill people even faster and even more needlessly by putting legionellosis patients on ventilators. SMDH
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:53 pmGryph, it’s a joke. Your position on this is strident and I was trying to tease you about that. I wasn’t planing to beat the joke into the ground. If it was rude or hurtful let me know and I’ll apologize sincerely. I don’t think it was….but teasing is an iffy thing….how the rest of your weekend is good.
Time123 (6dd7bf) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:54 pm177. If anyone is owed an apology here, I apologize for being so prickly. It’s all good, Time.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:56 pmI think we have to call Gryph’s refusal to stand up for his god-given fork rights what it is: cowardice.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:57 pm170: Fun fact: Morgan is an Irish name. 🙂
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:57 pm179. Jeebus, Dave. Not you too!
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:57 pmanti-ghoul break: AC/DC ? One of their best songs… https://youtu.be/QFyGuuJJfKU
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:58 pmThe Guy Benson video was awesome. We definitely need to see that stuff these days.
Dustin (064e00) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:01 pm@177-
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:09 pmGryph has no sense of humor.
184. All right. Knock it off, Rip. I apologized to Time for being oversensitive and prickly. My capacity for self-flagellation has its limits.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:09 pmIn Trump’s telling, Biden suddenly goes from ‘Sleepy Joe’ to a destroyer of the ‘American way of life’
And the cultists are eating it up!
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:13 pmRecognize the bass player? https://youtu.be/K5coIFds0_I
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:13 pmHmm…active cases in my home state down. That’s a good thing.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:13 pmanother burning cathedral, this time in nantes, huguenot vandals,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:14 pmAnd then there’s… https://youtu.be/9Bku7gXlkoo
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:20 pm190. That’s some pretty good stuff, Haiku. Are you old enough to remember the Average White Band? Bunch of funky dudes from Scotland.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:23 pmTears running down my face, Dana. Wow. As heroic as it gets. Wow.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:23 pm186… Joe Biden is the point man for the Left’s revolution… empty vessel, easily controlled (as Angie Davis said), he will provide oversight as they usher in their version of socialism.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:24 pm191… yes, I remember AWB. Now I have to get back to eradicating the earwig “Mr. Dobalina” from my musical memory bank…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:26 pmHere’s the good stuff… https://youtu.be/j0KEVFlhBC8
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:31 pmwell it’s not as bad as abba, that merits vienna convention sanctions,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:43 pm‘…not typical in American politics…’
Actually, quite typical; listen to the Nixon tapes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:45 pmNo doubt. But I read somewhere that the so-called “experts” have deceived us into believing our capacity for self-flagellation is a lot lower than it really is.
I also believe most discomfort people attribute to self-flagellation is actually caused by bedbugs. The obvious danger there is that while we obsess over a little some mostly benign self-flagellation, the bedbugs gorging on our flesh are planning their next move.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 1:57 pmThe bedbugs attacked just as I was about to delete “a little.”
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:00 pmDown Payment Blues is awesome, but this one is my favorite PowerAge tune.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:03 pmOops, the link. It should be an NRA favorite.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:03 pmthis is the thing about music, if you work at it, like rhapsody does it shows, sting’s lyrics were initially bearable,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:03 pm198. Do you even know what self-flagellation is, Lurker? Or is this another joke at my expense? O_o
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:05 pmwhat paul bettany did in the davinci code, btw, silva has gone halfway in doubting the authenticity of the gospels, even farther then steven berry did last year,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:08 pmI’ve never self-flagellated personally, but I’ve read some very confident self-proclaimed experts on the subject.
(Yes, it’s more joking at your expense.)
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:19 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T70VzZt0tiU
mg (8cbc69) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:21 pmmore balls than most
god bless you
I think we are going to have a sorting out of governor’s powers in the various states soon. Emergency powers are one thing, but there is a legislature. It can meet and make new laws if needed.
At some point, these aren’t emergency decrees, they are just decrees. Why can’t the legislature set new rules if new rules are needed?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:22 pmI think if the capital building was under attack, as with the courthouse or the police station they’d react,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:28 pmA bioweapon would have to kill a far higher percentage of people that get it than CoViD does.
No it does not. Incapacitating is as good as killing. In some ways better as you tie up resources treating and healing.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:34 pmAs a big brother, Bridger’s words made me cry. I know that feeling.
Another James (8c4578) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:35 pmyes he’s a very brave kid,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/black-lives-matter-sign-painted-on-street-outside-trump-tower-defaced-again/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:40 pmsurprising like the geico commercial?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/san-franciscos-experiment-housing-the-homeless-in-hotels-during-pandemic-working-out-as-expected/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:45 pmMs. Bullock gives a whole new meaning to Black Irish. Kudos to her.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:48 pmwell she has a lot of spirit, I don’t understand ‘cultural appropriation’ and all this pomo idiocy, it’s like with the best writers, go outside their own sphere of confort,
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/17/cdc-employee-political-contributions-democratic-pacs/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 2:50 pmTrump administration pushing to block new money for testing, tracing, and CDC in upcoming coronavirus relief bill
The Trump administration is trying to block billions of dollars for states to conduct testing and contact tracing in the upcoming coronavirus relief bill, people involved in the talks said Saturday.
The administration is also trying to block billions of dollars that GOP senators want to allocate for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and billions more for the Pentagon and State Department to address the pandemic at home and abroad, the people said.
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……..[T]he conflict between Trump administration officials and Senate Republicans on money for testing and other priorities is creating a major complication even before bipartisan negotiations get under way. Some lawmakers are trying to reach a deal quickly, as enhanced unemployment benefits for millions of Americans are set to expire in less than two weeks.
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…….. Senate Republicans were seeking to allocate $25 billion for states to conduct testing and contact tracing, but that certain administration officials want to zero out the testing and tracing money entirely. Some White House officials believe they have already approved billions of dollars in assistance for testing and that some of that money remains unspent.
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President Trump has repeatedly questioned the value of conducting widespread coronavirus testing, arguing that if there were fewer tests conducted, the number of infections would be lower. Coronavirus infections and deaths are on the rise in many states.
The administration is also seeking to zero out $10 billion in new funding for the CDC in the upcoming bill…….
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:00 pm………
@214 If Trump was a better president, he probably could have gained more respect and a much smaller percentage of the executive branch would be contributing money to his opponents.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:06 pmPortlandia: EFF them in their radical feminist bookstore owning, virtue signaling, fair trade/non-bruised coffee bean, dog buggering bundtcake holes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:07 pmFederal Officers Deployed in Portland Didn’t Have Proper Training, D.H.S. Memo Said
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:08 pmThe heavily armed federal agents facing a growing backlash for their militarized approach to weeks of unrest in Portland were not specifically trained in riot control or mass demonstrations, an internal Department of Homeland Security memo warned this week.
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The memo, seemingly anticipating future encounters with protesters in other cities as the department follows President Trump’s guidance to crack down on unrest, warns: “Moving forward, if this type of response is going to be the norm, specialized training and standardized equipment should be deployed to responding agencies.”
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216… and he’d carry 45 states instead of 41, to win reelection…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:09 pm218… they need “specialized training” to kick ass and take names?
I don’t think so…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:12 pm@217 You understand that people choosing to buy fair-trade anything is exactly the free market at work, right? They gathered their information on what went into the product and made a choice on what to buy based on that information.
@219 Spent much time staring at goats?
Nic (896fdf) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:13 pmNow back to our intrepid reporter… https://youtu.be/iOMlU8nWUiA
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:17 pmthe proof of the pudding was all these agencies chasing these non existent russians, while a real life terrorist, was planning the death of fifty americans, of course his pop was a bureau informant, if you think they got anything out of that ask rifa bary, from the 00s,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:19 pm219.
Trump may very well win the election, but I’ll bet any amount you want, payable to the winner’s designated charity, that he doesn’t win 41 states.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:19 pmThat’s the ticket. Trump’s little camoflaged men in Portland weren’t trained for their illegal activities.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:21 pm221… LOL
staring at goats… hmmm… haven’t had occasion to stare at any goats…
As for you, please practice safe sex in your interaction with the Bovids…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:26 pmremember the treasury union,
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/noxious-diversity-training-in-federal-government-flourishes-under-trump.php
we have strzok and page’s voluminous bafflegrab, to tell you how they behave at the top ends of the socalled intelligence community,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:29 pmOmg, the Guy Benson video linked to at 170 is really wonderful. I couldn’t believe it!
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:31 pmColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:12 pm
Heh! Just the other day I had one, of several, electrician inspect a wall in order to provide an estimate for some work I wanted done. He mentioned that the job “requires specialized equipment.” I burst out laughing and thanked him for his time.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:42 pm@226 Person at 226 does not have any kind of answer, doesn’t get the movie reference, cannot be civil, is not aware that Devin Nunes is the designated Bovid copulator in California.
Please direct any suggestions of safe Bovid sex to Devin Nunes.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:52 pmNo thats what schiff has been doing for 3 /2 years.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:03 pmRichieMovie cameraMcGPopcorn
@RichieMcGinniss
St. John’s Church has been vandalized with spray paint reading BHAZ (Black House Autonomous Zone)
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Greg Price
harkin (5af287) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:04 pm@greg_price11
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This is the church where President Lincoln prayed every night for victory over the Confederacy
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The third time, yes tell us how they revere justice again.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:15 pmGood for Riverdance. Most of us know that ‘cultural appropriation’ is just another term for ‘doing something’.
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Speaking of culture…….
𝐴𝑙 𝐻𝑎𝑙𝑙
@Aardbloke
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Another French Cathederal bursts spontaneously into flames after 1000 years of safely standing there. There’s been lots of fires in French churches over the past year.
Wonder why?
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Cambridge writer Flag of Wales
@ExileinEngland
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Map of churches in France vandalised, attacked or destroyed over the past 4 years
https://twitter.com/ExileinEngland/status/1284412255837224960?s=20
harkin (5af287) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:16 pm_
Re:,”waiting for it to disappear on it’s own I guess”: I have actually went on CDCs website and read all the papers they use to support their position. But like any bureaucratic organization the tend not to post any papers that would tend to falsify that position. You have to read other scientific journals and actually understand some of the science involved before coming to any definitive conclusions. The science around viruses and infectious diseases is extremely complex. You are dealing with the complexities of immune system response, adaptive mutations, the biology of viruses, adaptive noisy human networks and system components that are not directly observable but can only be inferred. Appeals to bureaucratic authority on complex subjects like this from people who have little knowledge of the science involved can be extremely tiresome. Politicians and bureaucrats are very bad at these kinds of problems because they wish to appear to be doing something, even if the something that is being done is minimally effective.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:20 pm“Speaking of culture…….”
What’s your explanation?
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:40 pmI love the Irish dancer video. I don’t care what color anyone is; if people love the culture and and partake of it, then hats off to them. Plus, anyone Irish dancing has my vote. And bonus points to the narrator/interviewer with the dreamy Irish lilt!
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:53 pm51 years ago today, Ted Kennedy should’ve driven a Volkswagen.
harkin (5af287) — 7/18/2020 @ 4:55 pm_
A Kennedy in a Volkswagen? Have you no shame, man?
norcal (a5428a) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:00 pm229… way to go, felipe! The electrician tried to run his game on a man that knew better… with no success. Just imagine the guy’s dealings with the ladies and contemporary liberal males. l always preferred to think that there weren’t that many unscrupulous tradesmen trying to take advantage of the unknowledgeable, but I think I’ve been wrong about that.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:09 pmJose Feliciano playing Zorba the Greek.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:09 pmThe Trump campaign is the grift that keeps on grifting
There has long been an element of grift to political campaigns.
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But there has never been anything quite like the racket that President Trump appears to have going.
In two days alone during March, the president’s reelection effort forked over roughly $380,000 of its contributors’ money to his hotels for “facility rental/catering services.”
…..[T]his paid for a “donor retreat” to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla…….
The campaign has also been paying more than $37,000 a month in rent to Trump Tower in New York, which is odd, considering that the campaign’s headquarters is in an office building in Rosslyn.
The Center for Responsive Politics has been keeping track of all of this on its OpenSecrets website. During this election cycle, the center reports, the president’s campaign and its related committees have steered $2.6 million of their donors’ money to Trump’s family-owned properties and businesses. The Republican Party has spent nearly $1 million as well, and GOP candidates, elected officials and their political action committees have spent another $391,000.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:23 pm…….
……. Trump’s donors, big and small, apparently are so dazzled by the aura of celebrity he has created around himself that they don’t care how much of their own money goes directly into his businesses. It’s all part of the experience.
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…… There has never been a situation anything like the one that Trump created when he insisted on continuing to profit from his family business while serving as president.
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Trump isn’t running for re-election to serve a second term as the nation’s leader. He’s running to keep on cashing in.
Due process of law? What due process of law?
Isaiah and Elizabeth Linscott, and their daughter, have been forced into ankle monitors because they would not sign a legal restriction of movement document without any opportunity to have an attorney review it. They should cut off the ankle monitors and tell the state, “F(ornicate) you!”
After refusing to sign the Self-isolation and Controlled Movement Agreed Order, the Hardin County Sheriff’s Department showed up with several people, and forced the Linscott family into ankle monitors, which will alert the sheriff if they travel more than 200 feet from their residence. The family has said that they will get an attorney to fight this, but, as with everything else, legal action takes time, and the two-weeks they will be stuck in those ankle monitors will have elapsed before their attorney — which they did not yet have as of publication of the WKYT article — can get them released from them. Due process of law? What due process of law!?
The Linscotts said that the Sheriff’s Department arrived without notice, which means that they had no notice that such an order would be filed against them, and that means they had no day in court, no legal representation to defend their rights. The Sheriff was there because the state wanted Mrs Linscott to sign legal documents without having the opportunity to have them reviewed by an attorney.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:26 pmMr. Feliciano had serious talent.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:31 pmThis one made me laugh this AM. If birds had arms…
Who forced them to go live in Kentucky?
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:34 pmYes but he was more self aware,
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:35 pm
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:35 pmHeHim has the best words.Mr Murdock wrote:
Really? He’s a freaking billionaire, and he’s almost 74 years old; he can’t ever spend what he has now.
And, allegedly, his net worth has decreased while in office, though who really knows?
2016 was full of stories about how Donald Trump didn’t really want to be President, even a few from disgruntled Republicans saying that he was only in it to throw the race to Hillary Clinton, who he really wanted to win. I guess it turned out that he really did want to win. 🙂
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:35 pm243. So?/
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:38 pmHeh! https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/18/chicago-protest-columbus-statue-18-police-wounded-12-arrested/5464162002/
Read the whole thing.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:39 pmnk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:09 pm
Fantastic, nk! Not the first time I’ve heard that, of course, but it never gets old. In my family both when I was a child and now, we actively
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:41 pmappropriate(d)appreciate(d) numerous cultures! I learned the exclamation “Opa!” from my mother as a toddler, as well as the Cajun “eh=yi!” My poor father was always shocked at how she turned into a [fill in the blank] while listening to “their” music.Some guy in Illinois asked:
A guy named Isaiah? He was prob’ly born here.
Of course, the Bluegrass State being a state of conservative Republicans and (mostly) moderate Democrats, the Linscotts probably figured that that kind of thing wouldn’t happen here. Guess that they were wrong.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:44 pmWho forced them to go live in Kentucky?
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:34 pm
Forced by their parents, and through no fault of their own! Amnesty now!
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:46 pmI didn’t realize you were such a big fan of police violence, nk.
Or Italians.
🙂
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:47 pmWell theres the grifter father and son, that ran against the turtle six years, then theres ashley judd; i know the alternative is the turtle.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:50 pmBy far, best post-Exile Stones song, but just one Stone involved…
https://youtu.be/mqyq6_lNu3o
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:56 pm@248-
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:00 pmGiven that Trump believes size is everything, I think the reason he is fighting tooth and nail over his tax returns is that his “billionaire” status is fiction (as you know he has sued reporters who dispute that status). And if he is so rich, why is he engaged is such self-dealing? This of course is not the only self-dealing, placing unqualified family members into positions of power is another example.
Yeah, Trump’s businesses are operating on debt, foreign bank loans at that, not capital.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:10 pmLike your pals burke and madigan thats an gonest living they own durbin all the way to tony cadaver
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:15 pmHeh, otra vez! https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-replaces-mary-trump-with-kayleigh-mcenany-as-niece
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:16 pmTurtle is being challenged by the Its Pat! Version of Captain Marvel this time around.
urbanleftbehind (3b7c5c) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:26 pm‘Not a problem, barely an inconvenience’
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:29 pm257. I said that back in 2015 when he started running.
Trump’s trigger-happy lawsuit tendancies make it pretty obvious that he fears something that he believes, rightly or wrongly, will damage his reputation. It looks to me like the very living definition of SLAPP but even if it’s not, there’s no way he doesn’t have something to hide.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:43 pmKathleen kennedy deserves to thrown in a sarlaac pit
https://youtu.be/vMxVTrYEyxs
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:45 pmYes hes been sued alot and lost, however who was never touched by the law before he evaporated all their savings who was the golden ogre weinstein, unaccountable for 20 years epstein for even longer who do they focus with a laser beam on…
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:01 pmAn Oregon Criminal Prosecution of Federal Officers Could Be Removed to Federal Court
The Oregon Attorney General has opened a criminal investigation into the conduct of various federal officers in Portland. If this investigation actually proceeds to some sort of criminal court proceeding, then the officers would be able to remove the case to federal court. 28 U.S.C. § 1442(a) provides:
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One unique wrinkle of Section 1442: A remand order can be appealed. 28 U.S.C. 1447(d) provides:
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In the event a district court remands a prosecution to state court, the United States could then appeal to the Ninth Circuit. Supreme Court review would be present in any event.
Assuming a motion to remand is denied, state prosecutors would actually be prosecuting a federal officer in federal court, based on state law.
Finally, for those keeping score at home, these crimes would not be “Offences against the United States,” and would not be subject to a presidential pardon.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:03 pmTreason:
Trump administration pushing to block new money for testing, tracing, and CDC in upcoming coronavirus relief bill
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:19 pmLove the Irish dance video, especially from a young southern African American. And she’s right, there is a profound difference between appreciation and appropriation.
Anyway, speaking of music, did you know that all the members of Black Sabbath were Catholics?
Yep, in fact the main lyricist, Terrence “Geezer” Butler, was studying in the seminary to become a priest, before he became a musician.
Everyone calls it heavy metal. It’s really heavy jazz with distortion. Tony Iommi studied classical guitar, a la Segovia, but he accidentally cut off the tops of his fingers on his last day of work at a steel mill. That’s why he wears plastic caps over his fingers, a clever invention actually.
Originally named Earth, they changed their name to Black Sabbath, because their music is apocalyptic rock. Their most famous song, “Iron Man,” is about the Second Coming.
Largely misunderstood, they are one of the greatest bands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZcaf9GfyWs&list=RDlJJW0dE5GF0&index=2
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:22 pmWasnt ozborne with them,
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:24 pmTop nine brick-and-mortar retailers now require coronavirus masks in U.S. stores
The nine largest brick-and-mortar retail companies, which the National Retail Federation ranks based on global sales, have adopted new policies to require customers to wear masks inside U.S. stores.
Costco began enforcing masks on May 4, but two months passed before other top retailers followed suit. Walmart, Inc. seemed to have triggered a corporate landslide this week with its announcement on Wednesday that masks would be required in its namesake stores and Sam’s Club locations.
Seven more of the largest brick-and-mortar retailers in the U.S. announced similar policies within two days: Kroger, CVS Health, Walgreens, Target, Albertsons Companies (which owns Safeway, Tom Thumb, and Acme, among other brands). Lowe’s and Home Depot both announced mask requirements Friday.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:31 pm…….
More places off Gryph’s list of businesses to visit.
If I were a Democrat strategist, back in 2015, looking at a surely lost election and the GOP reaching even greater majorities year after year, I’d thing “What can we do to ratfukk them entirely? Can I think of someone so monumentally terrible that they would, single-handedly set the GOP back for years?” And then along comes Donald Trump from central casting as the hard left’s stereotype Republican.
Those judges better be rally good, because the 2020’s are going to really suck politically.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:33 pmShorter: The only thing that Trump has done in 4 years is to destroy the GOP brand.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:34 pm270. There’s nothing I can get at those brick-and-mortar retailers that I can’t get at locally owned businesses, Rip.
Not to mention the fact that I’m fortunate enough to be married to a woman who doesn’t give a sh!t about wearing a mask in public. She knows how I feel about it but if there’s something she wants badly enough, I really don’t care where she goes to get it.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:35 pmGood for you gryph,
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:42 pmThey want to extinguish the bill of rights disarm us and leave us in the dark, its not an argument who to vote for. If you cant see that clearly after the last three months.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:45 pmSo you’ve told her she’s a coward?
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:58 pmhttps://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/poll-less-than-30-percent-of-americans-say-redskins-should-change-their-name/
No surprise. It wasn’t about popular opinion, just leftist opinion. The rest of the country doesn’t matter. That’s real privilege.
NJRob (a856f9) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:02 pmRed.skins is still in moderation?
NJRob (a856f9) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:03 pmOlder Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds
A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.
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The new study “is very carefully done, it’s systematic and looks at a very large population,” (Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute) said. “It’s one of the best studies we’ve had to date on this issue.”
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Children under 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies. That may be because children generally exhale less air — and therefore less virus-laden air — or because they exhale that air closer to the ground, making it less likely that adults would breathe it in.
……… Other studies have also suggested that the large number of contacts for schoolchildren, who interact with dozens of others for a good part of the day, may cancel out their smaller risk of infecting others.
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The study is more worrisome for children in middle and high school. This group was even more likely to infect others than adults were, the study found. But some experts said that finding may be a fluke or may stem from the children’s behaviors.
These older children are frequently as big as adults, and yet may have some of the same unhygienic habits as young children do. They may also have been more likely than the younger children to socialize with their peers…….
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…….[S]chools will need to prepare for infections to pop up. Apart from implementing physical distancing, hand hygiene and masks, schools should also decide when and how to test students and staff — including, for example, bus drivers — when and how long to require people to quarantine, and when to decide to close and reopen schools.
But they face a monumental challenge because the evidence on transmission within schools has been far from conclusive so far, experts said. Some countries like Denmark and Finland have successfully reopened schools, but others, like China, Israel and South Korea, have had to close them down again.
Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:18 pm……….
276. Not in so many words. But she knows my mother-in-law and I are on each other’s sh!t lists. I told her I’d go back to visit her mom when I don’t have to stand and yell at her from outside the back door.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:24 pmNo masks in South Dakota? Oh, won’t somebody please think of the gophers?
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:25 pmKnock it off, Dave! That was a despicable thing to say. Patterico, I rarely ask for your intervention, but perhaps you might provide some guidance to Dave? I feel this is line crossed.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:28 pmGryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:24 pm
If Dave’s remark was not offensive to you, Gryph, then I withdraw my request to Patterico. I’ll butt out, now.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:30 pmThen why was he trying to work a real estate deal for Trump Tower Moscow with his buddy Vlad while he was running for president? The man provably put his personal greed above his country.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:34 pmDave, I agree with Felipe that family’s off limits. I sometimes get prickly myself and I think very little of Gryph’s point of view, but jokes at family expense are never interpreted warmly. I am sure you were just intending good humor, but Gryph’s already isolated enough here.
Frankly, it is a very good thing Gryph has a wife who accepts him for who he is. There’s nothing better than that. I say that as someone with a patient wife.
Dustin (064e00) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:47 pmTop nine brick-and-mortar retailers now require coronavirus masks in U.S. stores
They require them for entry, but some people are so fracking obstinate (not to say stupid) that they take them off immediately after entering.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:49 pmPeople who wear masks are not cowards, and people who don’t drive drunk aren’t either.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:50 pmThe mask, in case someone has missed the memo, is not to protect the wearer so much as to make it much more difficult for them to infect others if they are in the asymptomatic incubation period. So, not wearing a mask is reckless endangerment and should be charged as such.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:52 pmWere told surfaces transnit the virus, church is verboten but head shops and abortion clinics are fine a drug thats been used for decades is suddenly toxic, arre told to ignore the guidance from 2006 and 2015, were told burning down half the country is noble were told a lot of things.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:56 pmWe were told general flynn is a traitor when strzok and the whole lot should be in prison. A friend who came down with this virus is denied because of the fraud that surgisphere but forward so only the expensive treatment with the chinese patent is acceptable.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:59 pmWere told businesses must wither on the vine, but genghis (tedacted) cuomo, and his amigos up the coast can shovel old people into hermetically zealed slaughterhouses, that is not nearly right it is noble. Hippocrates would vomit the garbage we are fed.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:02 pm282. 284. I’m perfectly aware that’s how he meant it. I choose not to take offense.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:04 pm286. I will not let that false comparison go unchallenged, however.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:04 pmAnd this gamgrenous old man locked in abriom closet who doesnt what day of the week it is? Is the solution, did i mention his ethics advisor recommends exactly the treatment that has occurred in those states as a matter of policy.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:06 pmEvery expression that makes us human we must sacrifice commerce faith just normal human contact but rage violence destruction let it flow it is righteous for how long and what price.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:10 pmThese arent original thoughts lara logan who lived through the ebola epidemic noticed these connections. Overseas
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:14 pmWSJ: The scientific evidence on masks is growing.
As long as the non-maskwearers stay 6-plus feet away, there won’t be an issue, but their stances are increasingly untenable. The simple message is this: If you really want to restart this economy, strap on.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:20 pmnarcisso,
You do realize, don’t you, that the mitigation protocols you’re raging against aren’t merely the whims of the liberals in your head? Following Fauci’s advice, even to the extent of re-closing large segments of the economy if necessary to contain the spread, has 65-70% popular support, including most independents and about half of Republicans. It’s more bipartisan than just about any other issue controversial enough to make the nightly news.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:31 pmAs regards John Lewis:
“These efforts to desegregate facilities and businesses were rarely popular. Many white Americans resented the disruption to the status quo, even if on some level, they told themselves, they sympathized with the protesters. Activists such as Lewis and Vivian were a constant exasperation to American political leadership, who wished to placate them without radically altering the structure of American society. But for the leaders of the movement, that would not do.
“As we participated in protest after protest, sit-in after sit-in, where crowds of uncontrollable angry people swarmed around us yelling and jeering, where we were beaten with billy clubs, lead pipes, trampled by horses, and attacked by dogs, our faith was not dampened, as many people today, looking back on the history, often wonder. It actually grew in power and strength,” Lewis wrote in 2012. “Public support for our work did not decrease because of mob violence and police brutality, it increased. It almost seemed the more the unjust resisted, the more impassioned the call for change.”
This was only the beginning. Vivian and Lewis fought and bled for the cause at sit-ins, in the Freedom Rides of 1961, when police and the Ku Klux Klan worked hand in hand to brutalize protesters trying to desegregate public buses, through the March on Washington in 1963 and the Selma-to-Montgomery marches in 1965, where Lewis had his skull cracked open by Alabama state troopers. Without these men and their allies in the civil-rights movement, the maxim in the Declaration of Independence that all are created equal would be but words on paper written by slave masters. Absent their sacrifice, their bravery, and their brilliance, America would remain a herrenvolk republic, not a nation for all its citizens.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-john-lewis-founded-third-american-republic/614371/
Victor (a225f9) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:35 pm297. “It has popular support” is a pi$$-poor reason to do anything. Think of all the ways that you’ve been screwed over by politicians/bureaucrats that had popular support. I have to believe you’re more intelligent than to make an appeal to vox populi.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:40 pm296. Strap on? Do you mean face diaper, or a condom for the increasingly inevitable screwing we’re all in for if we follow the “experts'” advice?
Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:42 pmhttps://preview.tinyurl.com/y3fovg4j
Less than 30% of the population says the red.skins should change their name.
No surprise. It wasn’t about popular opinion, just leftist opinion. The rest of the country doesn’t matter. That’s real privilege.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:44 pmThey seem to have an innate acquaintance with the latter
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:45 pmThe book of kaepernick has spoken rob, to do otherwise is heresy.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:46 pm#299.
I didn’t say popular support was a reason to do anything. I was responding to narciso’s rants about how evil liberals are cramming the mitigation measures down our throats.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:57 pmNoted, that what comes out of your nose and mouth is different than the rest of us, and that this is more about your feelings than the science. But you do you, as long as you keep your distance.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:01 pmhttps://townhall.com/columnists/kaycolesjames/2020/07/18/its-about-more-than-toppling-statues-its-about-toppling-america-n2572709
Obvious.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:05 pmAnticipating the inevitable request for supporting links, I just did the ritual stroll through Google, and to my non-surprise there are too many surveys to list, so here’ the most recent one I could find (7-15-20). Among other things it confirms that 65% trust what Fauci tells them about the virus, 67% don’t trust what Trump tells them about it, 80% believe masks are effective in reducing the virus’ spread, and 71% believe everyone should be required to wear one in public.
Sadly, Quinnipiac didn’t poll how many of the respondents prefer the term “face diaper.”
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:07 pm301.
It was about neither popular opinion nor leftist opinion. It was the decision of a private business owner in response to pressure from his sponsors, e.g., Federal Express.
Why do you hate capitalism?
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:17 pmWas it nk who pointed out that the Washington football team is going to make a bazillion dollars selling new gear?
This is not much of a crisis. As a kid who went to Oilers games to see Warren Moon, it just doesn’t seem to matter that much.
Yes, the hypersensitive cancel culture seems to have some hate, so danger to our freedom of expression, but only if we give that to them. There seems to be a pretty consistent pushback, a critical reaction. I don’t think free speech has a better solution.
Dustin (064e00) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:30 pmColonel Haiku @256,
The Stones are my very favorite band. I love me some Keith, but there are several post-Exile songs that beat that song. Beast of Burden. It’s Only Rock and Roll. Start Me Up. Miss You. Doom and Gloom. There may be others, but those are the ones that come to mind.
I share a lot of your musical tastes (including Lindsay Buckingham, whom we discussed years ago), but this time I have to give you a little pushback. 🙂
norcal (a5428a) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:31 pmOkay, Dustin. You’re starting to freak me out. First, we both had the same Andy Griffith idea a couple of days ago. Now, we both use the word “pushback” at the same time. Willies!
norcal (a5428a) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:35 pmYou’re either ignorant of the issues at hand or lying. Take your pick.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:36 pm“The book of kaepernick has spoken rob, to do otherwise is heresy.”
Kaepernick was the ultimate peaceful protest and you guys still get mad about it. Even now, years after the fact.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:41 pm“You’re either ignorant of the issues at hand or lying. Take your pick.”
It’s pretty rude to accuse someone of lying, so maybe you can share the “issues at hand”.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:42 pmDana,
I’ve been meaning all day to point you to this recent companion story to Bridger from the other side of the world. Sadder (hopefully only temporary) outcome, but equally inspiring.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:45 pmNJRob,
Assume I’m not ignorant of the issue. What’s the lie?
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:47 pmSure Dave,
right as soon as you respond to these questions you must’ve missed on the other thread:
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:48 pm“Assume I’m not ignorant of the issue. What’s the lie?”
He’s not gonna answer you unless I answer him, so let’s see how this goes.
“‘thulu, are Nick Cannon and DeSean Jackson wrong? Were they racist?”
Yeah, sure, they’re both. I’ll even show you something else:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:03 pmThank you.
And lurker,
There’s no capitalism at play when it’s leftist political pressure causing companies to do their boycotts as well as using the WaPo with their gossip attack on the Red.skins this past week. If capitalism was at play, they’d let the market decide. That’s clearly not happening as the market doesn’t oppose the name.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:06 pmBless your heart.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:07 pmNow I shall go to sleep. Good night.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:07 pmIn politics like nature for every action their is a reaction! For 150 years the establishment has the major aim of keeping the left disarmed. The first major gun law was the sultan law in new york to disarm negros. Pro 2nd amendment ronald reagan signed the first major gun law in california when the black panthers began forming armed black militia to protect oakland’s black population. Bill ayres says the john brown gun club will protect the protestors in portland not anti-gun wimp liberal acting as stooges for the establishment trying to keep the ghetto disarmed. Having trump’s storm troopers grabbing peaceful protesters off the street and throwing them in un-marked vans to take to secret detention camps will be the end of anti gun establishment democrats telling the left we want you disarmed and helpless. The john brown gun club will be the first of many as the left arms its self.
asset (9b76cb) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:28 pmRob,
Everything you said is factually erroneous and/or question begging. Dan Snyder made a business decision in response to pressure from his sponsors. That’s Capitalism 101. But even if we stipulated for the sake of argument that your answer was logically coherent and accurate, you still didn’t identify where I lied.
Don’t answer now. Maybe you’ll see it better in the morning. Sleep well.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:33 pm“There’s no capitalism at play when it’s leftist political pressure causing companies to do their boycotts as well as using the WaPo with their gossip attack on the Red.skins this past week. If capitalism was at play, they’d let the market decide. That’s clearly not happening as the market doesn’t oppose the name.”
This isn’t what happened.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/02/fedex-redskins-name-change/
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:40 pm“There’s no capitalism at play when it’s leftist political pressure causing companies to do their boycotts as well as using the WaPo with their gossip attack on the Red.skins this past week. If capitalism was at play, they’d let the market decide. That’s clearly not happening as the market doesn’t oppose the name.”
This isn’t what happened.
https://tinyurl.com/y57ag94t
(I had to edit this response to remove the blockage based on the team name, I also had to tinyurl the link to the article. That and this note are the only changes to the version in moderation).
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:45 pmDan Snyder made a business decision in response to pressure from his sponsors.
So did the NBA after Daryl Morey had his say. Our Capitalism 101 lessons are being taught by China, and some here are enthusiastic students.
beer ‘n pretzels (273645) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:03 am@324: “Thus, they believe the value of their investments will suffer if the companies continue supporting an NFL team that doesn’t reflect those values.”
Under capitalism, they can simply sell their shares. But, that’s not what they did. Because if they do that, they lose their influence. It’s a classic Operation Push style shakedown. Do what we say, or we smear you, which will devastate you financially. China did the same with the NBA, and is still doing it.
beer ‘n pretzels (273645) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:15 am“Under capitalism, they can simply sell their shares. ”
Under capitalism, they can do whatever they want with the power that representing $620 billion provides.
“It’s a classic Operation Push style shakedown.”
It’s nothing at all like operation push.
“Do what we say, or we smear you, which will devastate you financially.”
Do what we say or we’ll find someone else who will do what we say.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:35 amUnder capitalism, they can do whatever they want with the power that representing $620 billion provides
Of course. They can also do whatever they want with their power to smear. So can China. Therefore, yay, go capitalism.
beer ‘n pretzels (b27f61) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:52 am“Of course. They can also do whatever they want with their power to smear. So can China. Therefore, yay, go capitalism.”
They’re owners of the companies in question, they don’t want the share prices to go down.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:56 amThey’re owners of the companies in question, they don’t want the share prices to go down.
“The company’s request comes less than a week after a group of more than 85 investment firms and shareholders representing $620 billion in assets called on FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo to sever ties with the team unless Snyder changes its name.”
Because the share prices go up if FedEx, Nike and Pepsi sever ties? Huh.
beer ‘n pretzels (afb340) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:06 amAnd, a “director of First Peoples Worldwide and director of the University of Colorado Law School’s American Indian Law Clinic” sounds like someone with stock prices on their mind. A real money manager.
beer ‘n pretzels (afb340) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:21 am“Because the share prices go up if FedEx, Nike and Pepsi sever ties? Huh.”
If only there was some way to review the companies’ stock prices.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:50 amWhen some people here buy their own sports franchise, they can name it whatever they want. Maybe the Washington Orange-outans? Or if they must have Las Pieles Rojas, they can buy the naming rights from FedEx. But why be pikers? Buy FedEx!
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:18 amTelling other people what to do with their property! Who does that?
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:20 am@beer ‘n pretzels,
The directors of FedEx, Nike, and PepsiCo have a fiduciary duty to serve the interest of their shareholders. If they breach that duty, their careers, along with a boatload of unvested compensation, will go up in a blaze of shareholcder derivative suits. So until I see evidence to the contrary, I’m going to assume these captains of industry aren’t just looking for an excuse to shoot themselves in the balls, but instead, back here on planet Earth, they know what maximizes value for their bosses.
Maybe you personally own a few shares in one of these companies? In that case, why are wasting time flapping our gums? Bring the pain, baby. After all, lawyers have to eat too.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:34 amhttps://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/18/now-we-have-proof-dr-fauci-is-full-of-crap-and-cant-be-trusted-n661149
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:12 amthis serial goober is a disastrous hack and Americans shouldn’t have to deal with his lying b.s. fire this soros pos.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/17/cdc-employee-political-contributions-democratic-pacs/
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:16 amabolish these perverts
This statement is ridiculous and I wonder who is propagating it.
,i> Proof of immunity via blood test disappears for every infection or vaccine </B. after several months. Immunity is maintained by memory cells.
Sammy Finkelman (37a793) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:57 amNJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:44 pm
Not leftist opinion, but leftist intimidation. Similar to McCarthyism. And this may extend to more important matters if left unchecked. But something may come along to break the fever.
Sammy Finkelman (37a793) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:00 amLook guys, your best argument which you haven’t made so I’ll make it for you, is that there was some type of implied threat of government coercion if the team name wasn’t changed. I have no idea if that threat existed outside this hypothetical, but under a Democratic administration it strikes me as plausible. And if indeed the threat did exist, that would be a fine argument that this isn’t exactly capitalism at work, if we were measuring against a baseline of unfettered free market capitalism. But we aren’t. That’s not what we have or have ever had.
For better or worse we have a mixed economy of freeish market capitalism subject to considerable taxation, subsidies, regulations and other sundry forms of government interference. The tradeoff for that meddling is safer workplaces, clean air and water, standardized food and drugs, a bunch of other arguably worthwhile stuff and another bunch of unexpurgated waste, corruption and stunted economic growth. When Democrats are in power they effect the will of the voters by moving the needle too far in one direction, and when Republicans are in power they go too far in the other. Wherever the sweet spot is — I don’t pretend to know — a tradeoff between freer markets and government meddling is a permanent part of capitalism as it’s pretty much always been practiced here. Remember the Commerce Clause was written into the text of the original, unamended Constitution.
So if an implied threat of coercion around the name change existed, it existed within that framework. Since this is all hypothetical, I have no idea what the actual threatened coercion would have been, whether it would be constitutional, and any number of other variables which might have killed it right out of the gate or rendered it utterly innocuous lip service. FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo can’t be sure of these things either. One thing we can say with confidence is that their anticipating and preemptively reacting to it, if that’s what they did, was a perfectly conventional corporate act under our system of capitalism.
I understand much of this will offend certain free market purists. Two things about that:
1. I know, but I’m talking about what is, not what ought to be.
2. If you support Trump (not grudgingly tolerate, but support), do yourself a favor and stop saying you care about free markets or for that matter any other tenet of principled conservatism. No one but another Trump supporter will take you seriously.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:41 amManufactured pressure just like when the left got the government to destroy the copyright on Red.skins before it was overturned.
This has become a continuous process for the left where they keep attacking until the opposition tires and tries to sue for peace. The left says not until their demands are met then push ever leftward. What you saw in this case was corporate fascism.
NJRob (fde909) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:46 amCan you define Corp Fascism?
Time123 (430057) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:51 amMeh! “The Democrats are Communists” and “Joe Biden is going to abolish the suburbs” are the songs being played on the orange banjo this week. The Gaslight Serenade.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:59 amBring the pain, baby. After all, lawyers have to eat too.
A slow, hanging curveball… but, resist it we much, on account of it’s Sunday…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:39 amMerger of government and big business that dictates to society instead of a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:24 amMr M wrote:
Perhaps if people didn’t feel the need to resist the totalitarian dictates of some of our state Governors, they would be more willing to comply.
A great many of our Governors, were they in office 250 years ago, would have had an unfortunate encounter with tar and feathers, and, quite frankly, that’s what should happen to them today.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:25 amI’m shocked no one has discussed the insider hack on twitter, what a reveal that was in how someone can take control of major accounts and that they also have dedicated controls to shadowbanning and preventing hashtags from getting wider use.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:25 amMr M wrote:
You would have to prove that the non-mask-wearer had the virus at the time of the alleged offense, and that he knew it or had a substantial reason to believe it.
I have not been able to find a reckless endangerment statute in Kentucky, and the two degrees of wanton endangerment have definitions that are far too strict to fit the ‘crime.’ You might be able to charge wanton endangerment in the second degree if the ‘offender’ knew he had the virus and then spit on someone.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:36 amhttps://freebeacon.com/2020-election/nc-teachers-union-demands-universal-health-care-welfare-for-illegal-immigrants-to-reopen-schools/
These people are certifiably insane. Why anyone would desire giving them more power is beyond comprehension.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:55 amWorth noting: CDC data reports that for the week ending July 11, CoViD-19 death rates have fallen for the 12th straight week in a row.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:57 amWorth noting: CDC data reports that for the week ending July 11, CoViD-19 death rates have fallen for the 12th straight week in a row.
KARENs and mortuaries hardest hit…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:08 amUS Fish and Wildlife
@USFWSMtnPrairie
To kick off Latino Conservation Week, we want to help clarify the term “Latinx”, which is a “gender-neutral alternative to Latino, Latina and even Latin@.” This term will be used frequently throughout the week! Learn more here: http://ow.ly/STfT50ABwTf
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ACAB
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What is “Latino Conservation Week”? As a Latino I’m baffled as to why something like that would even be needed. Also, don’t call us “Latinx”, it’s a term imposed on us by outsiders who assume our language is fundamentally flawed and needs fixing by them. It’s a slur.
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Dept. of Wokeness Studies
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How do you pronounce “Latinx”? Is it “Latin-ex”? Or “La-tinks”? I thought I should ask a gringo, since gringos invented it.
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DrLegend
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Thank you great and glorious white people for inventing another word to call us minorities so you can feel better about yourselves around other white people.
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media assassin
@Gbiz_money
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The entirety of the Spanish language is built on assigning gender to nouns, adjectives, adverbs as a sign of respect to the person involved. Undoing this to appease some liberal whities is peak “supremacy” lol
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TheOldMan
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US Fish and Wildlife used to be run by biologists and conservationists who understood the difference between sexes. This is why they have hunting classifications for bucks/does, bulls/cows.
This is embarrassing that they are pretending these classifications don’t exist for humans
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Captain Beezlebugge, Authentic Space Bastard
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LatinX is about as culturally-representative of true Latin-Americans as Taco Bell is.
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Jacob McConville
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>Imperialism is bad
>Let’s impose made up American rules on a language we don’t speak
harkin (5af287) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:09 am_
what asshassery is this, a corporate state merger is called a sysgy btw,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:13 amFedex bought the naming rights of the Washington stadium in 1998….that’s a lot of years of being tacitly OK with the name of the team…..or are we pretending that those investment bankers were ignorant of the controversy until just a month ago? Or is it that Fedex customers just woke up. No, we’ve moved from legitimate concerns about police excessive use of force…..to uncomfortable confederate statues…..to monuments more generally….to anything that can be perceived as offensive……especially if Dan Snyder is involved. Most Native Americans appear to be not particularly offended by the nickname….possibly on the order of 90%….yet broader America seems more curiously split. Still, the Blackhawks, Indians, Seminoles, Braves…..and the incessant tomhawk chop chant…..can’t be far behind, right? All are celebrating a warrior stereotype or offensive indian imagery, no? The biggest crime today is to appear to not be doing anything….wear the BLM shirt, kneel, remove flags, remove statues, praise Kaepernick….remove the nickname….purge, purge, purge. This is cheap innoculation by Fedex….let’s stop pretending that it’s especially consequential…..
AJ_Liberty (0f85ca) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:15 amSome guy from Joisey quoted:
Now just what does a “moratorium on rent and mortgage” have to do with COVID-19? And why should American taxpayers be taxed to provide “direct income support” for non-citizens?
If there was ever evidence that the left are using COVID-19 as a political weapon, that’s it. And the teachers in North Carolina aren’t the only ones who are trying to do this [insert slang term for feces here].
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:16 amAn essay from the brilliant — as always — Angelo Codevilla.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:22 amthis is why duels came into being,
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/18/new-york-times-report-donald-trump-russia-connections-fbi-memo-debunk/
have you read codevilla’s dialog with samuels in the tablet some months back,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:26 amA pull quote from Codevilla’s essay:
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:28 amIt also says:
And you can see the total number of number of deaths (125,000) is about 15,000 behind the numbers reported by the county and state authorities (140,000).
According to these less laggy indicators, there were 5305 COVID-19 deaths in the seven days ending July 17, compared to 4137 in the seven days ending July 5, which marked the lowest total since early April.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:29 amThe only reason it is not a “plague”, with over a million dead, is that severe measures were taken. Perhaps, in an America of 50 years ago, when people still understood the idea of responsibility for one’s self, then maybe we could have been like the Swedes. But this crop of Americans only knows “rights” and what they what, when they want it. As we see now.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:32 amYou would have to prove that the non-mask-wearer had the virus at the time of the alleged offense, and that he knew it or had a substantial reason to believe it.
Why? The act is the same either way. Armed robbery does not go away if the gun you brandish is not loaded.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:34 amYou might be able to charge wanton endangerment in the second degree if the ‘offender’ knew he had the virus and then spit on someone.
That I would call “assault”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:35 amAnother great quote from Codevilla:
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:39 am361. Oh not even, Kevin. Armed robbery is by its very nature a violent act. My refusal to wear a mask or go places where I must do so, is most certainly not a violent act. Nice try.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:41 am360. That’s odd, Kevin. I didn’t take any “severe measures” and I didn’t get sick. I just exercised what I felt was “common sense” and “ordinary decency.” And it worked for me. It worked for my entire home state.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:43 amif cowards give in to wearing masks today the suburbs will be abolished tomorrow mr m
and before long riverdance will have black people
its obvious to anyone willing to do the analysis
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:46 amthis crop of Americans only knows “rights” and what they what
What teh Hell…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:47 am“ For kids who already start at a disadvantage, have no parent at home to coach them through the lessons, live in crowded conditions, and have limited internet access, the long-run results could be devastating.
In Los Angeles, Black and Latino middle and high school students were surely set back the most after campuses closed in March, with comparatively few of them actively using school system’s online education platform, according to a report released on Thursday. Disadvantages, especially in early grades, can easily compound over time.
These facts are well understood by scientists and educators. The National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine released a report on Wednesday urging schools to reopen, especially for younger children, and described in detail how risks could be managed.”
Average weekly participation frequency of Los Angeles middle school in first nine weeks after schools closed:
Asian – greater than 5 times = 48%, 3-5 times = 30%, 1-2 times = 16%, less than 1 time 6%
White – 44, 30, 18, 8
Black – 17, 25, 37, 21
Latino – 15, 25, 34, 26
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-schools-critical-teachers-more-133045624.html
Black Lives Matter!
harkin (5af287) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:49 am_
366. Black people in Riverdance?! Quelle horror!
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:49 amTrump loves the ‘low’ daily death rate for covid. It won’t last.
After peaking at more than 2,000 deaths daily in the spring, the number of new covid-19 fatalities in the United States steadily declined to below 500 per day in early July. The Trump administration has seized upon that statistic as a sign that it has successfully tackled the pandemic, even as the number of infections spikes. …….
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But the picture has now changed. There’s no more plateau: We have a major outbreak on our hands. Daily case numbers have surged mercilessly, to a record-breaking 65,000 this past week. …….
……[T]est positivity rates are spiking, too. In Arizona, for instance, the figure increased from roughly 5 percent in early May to 20 percent in late June…….. The combination of more testing, higher positivity and rising hospitalization is a grim one — a clear signal of extensive community transmission.
……. Deaths have leaped in the past two weeks to an average of 700 daily — and there is no reason to think the rise will stop. The accelerating outbreak is only now showing up in the death numbers because deaths are a “lagging indicator”…….
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:51 am……..
…….. Young people without symptoms can inadvertently transmit to people of every age, including family members, neighbors and co-workers……..
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……. With the case numbers we’re seeing, it’s whistling past the graveyard — nearly literally — to celebrate a temporarily low death rate. As the numbers of cases continue to rise, so will the preventable deaths of thousands more Americans.
harkin (5af287) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:09 am
Thank you, very much, for that comment, Harkin. That term “latinx” is most offensive to me both culturally and intellectually. I would appreciate it if that word could be added to the filter.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:51 am367. This is what rule by fear looks like, Haiku. And certain of our countrymen are eating it up.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:52 am370. The low daily death rate won’t last? How do they know? How can they say that? On what scientific basis are we being told, and are you asserting, Rip, that this lowering death rate (which has been steadily lowering for 12 weeks) is temporary?
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:55 amyes, one can’t argue that point, because lord fauci, who has botched every public health matter for nearly 40 years is to be unquestioned, he said don’t use masks, he said it was of low mortality, he said we could go on cruises, do not question he is wiser than all, we should light a novena candle as with st. mueller of the beltway,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:55 amhe was there at the beginning of this curated panopticon,
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/2019/10/28/the_codevilla_tapes_43217.html
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:01 am@365-
It worked for my entire home state.
A state whose population (less than 900,000) would disappear in most other states (or even counties) and not even be noticed, and is so sparsely populated that it ranks 46 out of 50 in population and in density (less than 11.5 persons per square mile). SD probably has more cows per square mile than people.
SD population is hardly representative of basically any other state (though it does outrank North Dakota, 47th in population and density).
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:03 am@373-
Data animation shows time lag between COVID-19 cases and deaths
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:07 amWelcome to the party, pal.
Re-opening businesses pre-maturely and flouting preventative measures screws everyone, including children and especially minorities.
Latinos have hospitalization rates 4x that of white non-Latinos. And for African-Americans, it’s 5x.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:08 am377. I get that. But death rates have been falling for 12 straight weeks now. Nationwide. Not just in my home state. We’re on the falling side of the flattened curve, “spikes in cases” notwithstanding. So I’ll ask you again, on what basis do you believe that this 12 week decline is temporary?
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:08 amSo I’ll ask you again, on what basis do you believe that this 12 week decline is temporary?
Don’t discount wishful thinking.
beer ‘n pretzels (4d3c08) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:20 am@379-
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:20 amI’m sure a month from now we’ll know for sure. More people engaged in activities without masks or social distancing = More COVID-19 cases = more hospitalizations — no vaccine—no sure fire hospital treatment + underlying health problems = more deaths. Reduce the number of cases, reduce the number of deaths.
Light in my eyes, you in my arms…
https://youtu.be/XFrMSJgOIpM
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:23 amKARENs gonna KAREN…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:24 am381. But I thought it wasn’t about reducing cases. Fauci told us back in March that it was about flattening the curve.
And I’ll say it again since you seem to be suffering from some confirmation bias: death rates have been falling for 12 [twelve] weeks. You’re not even willing to entertain the idea that you’re being lied to. I think Codevilla has it right.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:24 amSimple logic.
It’s like taking the ratio between the number of airline tickets purchased, and the number of airline passengers, in the last week.
People usually buy airline tickets weeks in advance of the date they will fly. If there were a surge of airline ticket purchases (like the surge in new Covid cases), for a short time the ratio of passengers to tickets purchased would drop.
Someone who stupidly looked at that ratio without accounting for the lag between ticket purchase and flight date would draw the opposite of the correct conclusion and say air travel was declining.
The analogy isn’t perfect, of course, because we know when someone is supposed to fly when they buy a ticket, making it relatively easy to correct for the delay, whereas we don’t know when, or even if, someone who contracts the virus will die.
But the rate of new infections is rising so fast that over 23% (870,000) of the total number of COVID-19 cases in the US since the beginning of the pandemic (3.71M) have happened in the last two weeks.
This makes the raw mortality rate a completely misleading indicator.
Link to data
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:26 amPiero Pompa
@PompaPiero
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#France Police took in custody a 39yo man from Rwanda for #Nantes Cathedral arson. It seems the man, so far unkown to Police, acted in anger because of expiring of his VISA.
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Yesterday’s questions, answered today.
harkin (5af287) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:27 am_
There are several reasons why the Covid death rate might be stabilizing or declining:
I think you have to add erratic, difficult-to-obtain testing to the list. Texas cases have exploded now that we have access to testing that was not available before.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:34 am“ In other words, if you give me control of the media and medical academia for a month, I will have every parent in America easily convinced that children must be locked down forever. If the threat level of COVID-19 to children is the new threshold for shutdown, we are done as a civilization, even if this particular virus becomes extinct tomorrow.
Remember, unlike with this virus, where children barely contribute to community spread, with the flu, children contribute substantially to the spread and pick it up most often from other kids in school……
…….Just consider the statement from California Superintendent of Instruction Tony Thurmond. “I do think that, if school had to open tomorrow, most of our districts would open in distance learning,” he said during a briefing earlier this week as county governments in L.A. and San Diego closed schools in September. “And that is a decision that I think is a good decision if conditions don’t change.”
If conditions don’t change? Not a single child has died of COVID-19 in the state of California. Not one in this state of 40 million people. Kids are not only more likely to die of the flu, but are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to school or in a playground accident at school.
Also, consider the fact that they are insinuating that schools can’t return to normal until there is a vaccine. Well, when was the last time we had a foolproof vaccine for a respiratory virus? Notice how the flu is much more dangerous for children than COVID-19, even though there already is a vaccine.
According to the California Department of Public Health’s Influenza Surveillance Report, there were 187 reported ICU and fatal cases of the flu among children during the 2017-2018 season. Among those cases with available influenza vaccination information (120 cases), 61 (50.8%) received the 2017–2018 influenza vaccine.“
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-panicmongers-consistent-wed-close-schools-every-flu-season/
harkin (5af287) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:36 am_
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/19/antifa-rioters-break-into-portland-police-union-and-set-it-on-fire-as-mayor-hamstrings-federal-troops-n661172
Just more of those peaceful protesters having a peaceful bonfire. How dare anyone arrest these innocent souls when they have the full support of the mayor.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:46 amWell, it is said that “if you’re tired of Sioux Falls, you’re tired of life”. But as Humphrey Bodine told Ingrid Burkhalter in the classic movie Milbank: “We will always have Fargo.”
Alternate realities: They’re not for Harry Turtledove only.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:51 amDereliction of duty at that level. Rob is criminal, its a government only accountable to the rioters.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:52 amThis is like those articles puzzling over how the crime rate could fall while incarcerations go up. Unexpectedly!
In other words, last Spring’s school closings were spectacularly successful in protecting children.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:52 amThats not how any of it works
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1284862752125837314
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:59 amIn CA, children account for 22.5% of the population, but only 8.5% of confirmed cases.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:01 amWhat i was musing about
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/07/peter-hitchens-face-masks-turn-us-into-voiceless-submissives-and-its-not-science-forcing-us-to-wear-.html
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:05 amCodevilla’s essay is excellent.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:07 amToo bad a quarter of a million Americans, or more, are probably going to “disappear” first…
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:09 am@384-
……..death rates have been falling for 12 [twelve] weeks. You’re not even willing to entertain the idea that you’re being lied to
You’re looking at the past. I’m looking toward the future.
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:33 amWho has the proper credentials to tells us what the real facts are? A lot of people seem to think we can’t trust scientists to give us scientific facts, but should instead listen to general-purpose “intellectuals” who tell us that the scientists are wrong about their own field. Those people don’t seem to be at all chastened when their own predictions turn out to be spectacularly wrong. They just move on to the next episode of “look how the experts are wrong!”
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:52 amTrump declines to say whether he will accept November election results
President Trump declined to say whether he will accept the results of the November election, claiming without evidence that mail-in voting due to the coronavirus pandemic could “rig” the outcome.
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In the “Fox News Sunday” interview, Wallace asked Trump whether he considers himself a “gracious” loser.
Trump replied that he doesn’t like to lose, then added: “It depends. I think mail-in voting is going to rig the election. I really do.”…….
Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election?” Wallace asked.
Trump responded, “No. I have to see.”
Later in the interview, pressed on whether he will accept the results of the November election, Trump again declined to say.
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:00 am“I have to see,” he said. “Look, you — I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say ‘yes.’ I’m not going to say ‘no.’ And I didn’t last time, either.”
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“Trump” and “gracious” don’t belong in the same sentence.
how did it work the last time, hillary’s four year temper tantrum, with drummer boy mueller as back up band,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:05 amthat’s one penumbra too far
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/16/jarrett-pace-claims-lighting-molotov-cocktail-prot/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:13 am“I have to see,” he said. “Look, you — I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say ‘yes.’ I’m not going to say ‘no.’ And I didn’t last time, either.”
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“Trump” and “gracious” don’t belong in the same sentence.
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:00 am
What he says is not only entirely reasonable, it is also wise.
If you order something from Amazon and then receive an email that sounds like it could be brought up later, that states:
An item you ordered is coming soon. Do you here, and now, vow to accept it when it arrives?
One would be foolish risking the rights that one could, and should, reserve until the moment comes when they will need those rights. Most importantly, the right of refusal.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:14 amCodevilla’s essay is a sign of how far the Claremont Institute has fallen.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:16 amThis isn’t about “ruling class”, it’s about how our public servants are handling a contagious and lethal virus, and it ain’t the “flu” as he wrongly calls it. It’s this nation’s 3rd largest killer, a fact that he conveniently ignores, and there’s only 140,000 dead Americans because of the precautions taken.
He’s also being dishonest by ignoring how so many other nations have successfully contained the virus. Sweden has also contained it, but at the cost of having a higher death rate than the US.
In other words, it’s just another piece CV19 downtalking, which I’m sure Trump would pleased to read about, if he ever bothered reading.
More to the point, it makes no difference what Trump says he’ll do, since his word is worth less than nothing.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:17 amit depends on the condition of the item, felipe, it’s like with prime I discontinued it because it no longer offers prompt delivery, so why pay that fee,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:22 am‘Superspreading’ events, triggered by people who may not even know they are infected, propel coronavirus pandemic
……It had started with just two infections at the college bar on June 18, not long after the state began reopening. But the numbers quickly jumped to 12, then 18, then 34.
As of Friday, (Linda Vail, the health officer for Michigan’s Ingham County) was staring at a spreadsheet with 187 infected at Harper’s Restaurant and Brew Pub.
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:22 am……..
…….. Many scientists say such infection bursts — probably sparked by a single, highly infectious individual who may show no signs of illness and unwittingly share an enclosed space with many others — are driving the pandemic. They worry these cases, rather than routine transmission between one infected person and, say, two or three close contacts, are propelling case counts out of control.
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……. Transmission, it turns out, is far more idiosyncratic than previously understood. Scientists say they believe it is dependent on such factors as an individual’s infectivity, which can vary person to person by billions of virus particles, whether the particles are contained in large droplets that fall to the ground or in fine vapor that can float much further, and how much the air in a particular space circulates.
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…….. The World Health Organization has described most infections as occurring from close face-to-face contact involving large, virus-laced respiratory droplets that drop to the ground within a few feet of the person expelling them due to gravity. But this month, a group of prominent scientists made the case that superspreading clusters suggest the virus is sometimes being transmitted over longer distances through the air in far smaller and more numerous particles.
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“It is becoming clear that the pandemic is driven by superspreading events, and that the best explanation for many of those events is aerosol transmission.” (Jose-Luis Jimenez, a researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder) said.
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Overall, researchers have estimated in recent studies that some 10 to 20 percent of the infected may be responsible for 80 percent of all cases.
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narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:22 am
felipe (023cc9) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:25 amThat is exactly right. It depends on the condition, upon arrival -and not one moment before.
Also, I feel the same way about election results, as delivery is further and further delayed.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:27 amof course it is, codevilla has seen the national security bureaucracy fail and again, this is true of the mission of the cdc which became total virtue signalling on extraneous measures, and they fund the democrats through act blue, so it’s a total protection racket, cuomo is funded by the hospital association, and backstops any liability against them, for sending patients back to nursing homes, generations of livelihoods die on the vine,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:28 amOne would be foolish risking the rights that one could, and should, reserve until the moment comes when they will need those rights. Most importantly, the right of refusal.
Of course, whether Trump “recognizes” or “concedes” the election result is immaterial. If doesn’t win enough electoral votes, he’s out. And he can tweet all he wants as he packs up and leaves the White House on January 20, 2021. (I doubt he will attend Biden’s inauguration.)
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:30 amthat is true, there was a part I ordered, but it turns out it was the wrong fit, to ship it back I had to contact morocco! that was not on the original contact list,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:30 amtake a number,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/hezbollah-seeks-chinese-bailout-amid-lebanons-growing-economic-woes/
narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:38 amBut if you’re willing to surrender control of your life because “experts” tell you to, I guess there’s really nothing that can be done. I’ll just sit here in my corner and thank God daily that I live in South Dakota.
Pffffft.
U.S. War Casualties South Dakota, Vietnam War: page 1 of 22
https://www.honorstates.org/index.php?do=q&state=SD&war=Vietnam+Conflict
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:40 am405.More to the point, it makes no difference what Trump says he’ll do, since his word is worth less than nothing.
When your next Covid-19 check comes before the election, be sure you mail it back to POTUS with a nasty letter.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:42 amThere were 5 who lost:
[Sixth result is my addition]
Hmm, I’m not feeling it.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:43 am“but should instead listen to general-purpose “intellectuals” who tell us that the scientists are wrong about their own field”
Yes, I love a libertarian political scientist ruminating on pandemic modeling….with the inevitable conclusion that he sees all through it and….yes….surprise….experts are at fault…and the market would have handled all of this. I would have never saw that coming….
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:43 amIf he knows what’s good for him, he’ll be in international airspace, on an Aeroflot charter to Moscow, by the time Biden is sworn in.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:44 amOT- if you have clear skies after dusk, take a look at Comet Neowise just below the Big Dipper. Most spectacular tail on public display since First Lady Melania Trump boarded Air Force One.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:48 amLike it’s money out of his pocket, LOL.
But anyway, I earn too much to receive Covid-19 checks.
(Which is fine, since I don’t need the assistance)
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:48 am@418-
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:52 amEdward Snowden can meet him on the jetway.
Biden time; Trump will be re-elected:
In a Gallup poll released on October 26th in 1980, two weeks before the election, Jimmy Carter was leading Ronald Reagan 47 – 39. Two weeks later Reagan won in such a landslide that Carter conceded before California was closed.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:52 amHow about a friendly wager on the election outcome, Deezy-Eska?
Say $5000?
Money Talks/Bullsh*t Walks 2020
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:56 amand most especially, NeverTrump…
https://youtu.be/Ev-Ru1QpTqU
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:56 amLBut anyway, I earn too much to receive Covid-19 checks.
$95k would go a long way… in South Dakota and many other states derided here…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:58 amWhat I’ve seen indicates that early and aggressive containment measures are, for the most part, what allowed countries to reopen earlier and emerge with less cost economically and in human lives and health.
Here, we had a loud “don’t believe experts” set giving encouragement to the “don’t tell me what to do” segment of the population — both of which groups I’ve sometimes agreed with in the past — in combination with an excessive concern about what helps or hurts Trump. And they’re maintaining that this is all a giant plot by the leftist ruling class to tighten their power (so they’re not really the “ruling” class already?) — by devastating the whole economy and impoverishing a large portion of Democratic voters.
It’s one thing to suggest (in hindsight) that various needs and concerns might have been balanced more optimally — though I’m not confident that the critics would have gotten it right had they been in positions of power. It’s another thing to maintain that so many people have been acting in bad faith, with sinister purpose.
One benefit of the Trump presidency is that it pushed me out of a comfortable partisan box and encouraged me to give more thought to how “my side” might sometimes be wrong.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:01 pmMy relatives include actual scientists and people who work in the medical field who are not leftists, and certainly not part of a leftist ruling class — and they are dismayed by the scorn for science coming from people who haven’t been in a lab since high school.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:05 pmBeautifully expressed Radegunda.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:06 pmCodevilla’s essay is a sign of how far the Claremont Institute has fallen.
One (just one) of the interesting phenomena about the direction this site has taken is how formerly well-respected essayists and political commentators often quoted/linked in years gone by (e.g., VDH, Codevilla and many others) are now described as sell-outs to be ignored. Because Orange Man Bad.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:11 pm#428 — Can’t tell you how thrilling it is to win the approval of “Dave.”
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:15 pmhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/07/15/six-billionaires-join-christy-walton-to-support-anti-trump-republican-group-that-sparked-trump-twitter-tirades/#4d4f67d66ef0
Leftist project.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:15 pmEven Colbert has figured out that Rick Wilson’s Lincoln Project is a grifter’s play
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:19 pmSo the death rate (which has been falling precipitously since 12 weeks ago) is going to go back up and spike, because “simple logic.” And Angelo Codevilla has no idea what he’s talking about because he’s “not a scientist.” I’m beginning to think that some of you science cultists would believe credentialed mathematicians if they told you en masse that 2 + 2 = 5.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:37 pm#429
Rubbish. Everyone here must know by now that I’m part of the Orange Man Awesome club.
And it’s interesting how many people who used to be highly critical of Trump are now hostile to the people still saying basically the same things about him they used to say.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:39 pm426. Except in Sweden, where they didn’t lock down at all and now they enjoy the benefits of herd immunity.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:40 pmNo, as I explained, it is already going back up, and will continue going up, and the reason is that almost 1/4 of the 3.7M total confirmed Covid-19 cases in America since the start of the pandemic appeared in the last two weeks.
Those 850,000 people who got sick in the last two weeks have not yet had time to die and (for those who do die) have their deaths recorded by the CDC.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:46 pmAh, the truth is out.
No one would ever have thought Donald Trump is an ignorant, self-serving, vindictive sociopath and chronic liar who regularly speaks nonsense and is incapable of learning anything or admitting error, if the Lincoln Project had not be secretively plotting to plant that notion in so many people’s heads years before the group started putting out its videos.
And the Lincoln Project must also be orchestrating all those Republican Voters Against Trump and Vets Against Trump to say mean things about Dear Leader. And causing so many people to quit the GOP starting in 2016. And making so many people across the country who voted for Trump now tell pollsters they won’t do it again.
Everything is a leftist plot!
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 12:52 pmAnd it’s interesting how many people who used to be highly critical of Trump are now hostile to the people still saying basically the same things about him they used to say.
It’s all about him, apparently.
beer ‘n pretzels (c63793) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:00 pmI was responding to a comment that is in fact about Trump — a comment implying that a lot of people have changed their fundamental views about science and expertise etc. simply because they harbor some inexplicable, totally unfounded animus against someone who wears too much spray tanner.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:14 pmThat comment made it all about Trump.
* Sweden’s mortality rate per 100,000 is higher than that in the U.S. (55.18 vs 42.83)
* Swedish immunity is somewhere in the 10-20% range, a ways from herd immunity
* How immunity works with covid is not precisely understood where researchers at King’s College found that levels of immunity dropped drastically only three months after infection
* Sweden had the highest rate of new cases of all European Union states, barring Luxembourg, in the past couple of weeks
With only 10M in population and culturally quite homogenous, Sweden is far from the perfect model to apply to the U.S.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:17 pmThe U.S. is the accidental Sweden, which could make the fall ‘catastrophic’ for Covid-19
……… The Heritage Foundation praised Sweden for “preserving economic freedom.” The Cato Institute said Sweden’s response to Covid-19 “may prove to be superior from a public health perspective.” In early May, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said at a committee hearing that the U.S. “ought to look at the Swedish approach.”
The Swedish approach was to largely allow businesses to remain open. And at first, it seemed to work, with a death count nowhere near what it was in countries such as Italy, Spain, and the U.K. But even as Sweden was being hailed as a model, its cases were steadily rising, and its death rate now exceeds that of the U.S. Sweden also did not seem to stave off the economic damage it was aiming to avoid.
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…….. Now, the next few weeks will show the consequences of being the accidental Sweden.
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By “doing Sweden,” ………experts mean Americans’ pullback from social distancing that dates from May, when states began lifting stay-at-home orders and other policies aimed at reducing viral transmission. The effect has had many of the failed aspects of Sweden’s approach, but with none of the steps that kept that country from being a total disaster.
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……..[I]f Swedes had done everything they were allowed to do (especially since face coverings were never required nationally), such as shop and socialize at the same levels they had pre-pandemic, “it would likely have led to runaway infection,” (Peter Kasson of the University of Virginia School of Medicine and Sweden’s Uppsala University) said. But “Sweden is a place with a very strong embrace of government authority.” When that authority said keep gatherings small, Swedes “took individual actions that went beyond the mandated measures,” he said.
Sweden is 18th in the world in Covid-19 cases per million people, with 7,524 as of Tuesday. That’s better than the U.S. (10,626), but much worse than European countries that imposed shutdowns. Sweden is seventh in deaths per million people (with 549; the U.S. is ninth, with 419), though the U.K., Spain, and Italy are worse, possibly because of older populations, denser cities, and more imported cases early on. But a death rate nearly 12 times Norway’s is hardly reason for celebration. ……..
Because factors that kept Sweden’s numbers from being even more dire are largely absent in much of the U.S., there is growing concern that this country will blow past Sweden’s death rate and exceed its case rate even further.
Some states, especially in the South, began easing restrictions in late April. But many people seemed to take “bars and restaurants can reopen with capacity limits” as “back to normal!” An entrenched culture of “don’t tell me what to do” just about ensured the opposite of Swedes’ placing greater restrictions on themselves than the government did. And that’s what happened.
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:17 pm……..
Call it “individualism, cultural libertarianism, atomism, selfishness, lack of social trust, suspicion of authority,” The Week columnist Damon Linker wrote, “it amounts to a refusal on the part of lots of Americans to think in terms of … what’s best for the community, of the common or public good. Each of us thinks we know what’s best for ourselves. We resent being told what to do.”
Furthermore, the line you quoted is exactly about why some people have shifted their stance toward Trump so very dramatically.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:18 pmI have not changed my opinion about Trump, except to the extent that I’ve learned more about him.
That comment made it all about Trump.
Ah, that clears it up. Then there’s @437.
Obsession like this just feeds his ego, ya know. Let it go.
beer ‘n pretzels (c63793) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:20 pmI have not changed my opinion about Trump
OK, now do Biden.
beer ‘n pretzels (c63793) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:22 pm#443 — I hadn’t even commented on this board for a week or two, but I see other people on here every day saying that whatever Trump did is right and his critics are wrong and horrible and they have evil motives, etc. But I’m the one who’s “obsessed”?
Above, I made a substantial comment about attitudes toward science and expertise — with one line at the end bearing on Trump. I would say that anyone who zeros in on what I say about Trump is the one who’s obsessed about whether other people like or dislike him.
Right now, Trump is president, and therefore relevant to various topics of current interest.
But if you want to see real obsession, I can start linking to pictures and videos of the genuine Mr. Orange man. (I know where they are.)
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:39 pmEverybody loves a circus show.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:43 pmActually, this one is Mr. Orange.
I’ve got lots more too.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:48 pmScience Magazine – School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-openings-across-globe-suggest-ways-keep-coronavirus-bay-despite-outbreaks?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top
harkin (470cbb) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:51 pm_
@420. But anyway, I earn too much to receive Covid-19 checks. (Which is fine, since I don’t need the assistance)
So Trump didwell by yu w/t yuuuuge tax cuts.
Yes, Reagan Seed.
He is you; the GOP ‘Picture Of Dorian Gray.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:56 pmOh not even, Kevin. Armed robbery is by its very nature a violent act. My refusal to wear a mask or go places where I must do so, is most certainly not a violent act. Nice try.
Do it around me and I will tell you to get your moronic ass away from me, and it could well escalate.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/19/2020 @ 1:59 pmYour refusal to take precautions to avoid spreading what could be deadly to me is inherently violent.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:00 pm@432. …Rick Wilson’s Lincoln Project is a grifter’s play
Conservative whine; bitter dregs.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:04 pm@448 Interesting article, thanks for posting it.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:07 pmIn my state, Gryph, your right to approach me ends at 6 feet away. Your right to approach me without a mask ends when you leave your home.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:31 pmI didn’t describe either one as “sell-outs”, but if the shoe fits and they abandon the conservative principles they once espoused, then so be it.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:44 pmIn the case of Codevilla, a one-sided argument with cherry-picked data points is probably enough for the diminished Claremont Institute and their readers, but it again says something about how this once heralded entity has gone down the ideological tubes.
No, they didn’t. The most credible accounts say that around 70% of the populace need to be infected or vaccinated, and Sweden is nowhere near that. They’ve slowly come around to the same protocols as their Scandihuvian neighbors.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:52 pmSpain conducted a comprehensive antibody testing program and found that only around 5% of the population caught the virus. That’s nowhere close.
#466 Most of the posters on this blog know less about science than Donald Trump does, which isn’t much. People on this blog parrot talking points from an article some idiot journalist wrote or quote items from the cdc website whose credibility is in tatters. Go read actual scientific papers from a variety of sources to get a true picture of the relevant science. But that won’t happen because that would be too difficult. If you could do that you would have STEM degrees.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:57 pm“STOCKHOLM—Sweden quickly became an object of the world’s attention for its decision to forgo a government-mandated lockdown to combat the coronavirus pandemic. Instead the country chose to lean on its high-trust culture and tradition of citizens independently following authorities’ recommendations.
But there was one major overlooked problem with that approach—one that’s increasingly reflected in the country’s medical data: Sweden’s distinctive national culture and traditions, and the government’s efforts to amplify and support them, aren’t equally accessible to its increasingly diverse residents. The most segregated segments of the population are not as tuned in to the mainstream culture or to authorities’ messaging around the pandemic.
Sweden’s Public Health Agency recently conducted a survey, the results of which were published on April 14. It showed that a disproportionate number of immigrants, in particular from Somalia, Iraq, and Syria, were among the COVID-19 cases registered at Swedish hospitals. For instance, while Somali Swedes make up just over half a percent of the national population, so far they make up nearly 5 percent of hospitals’ confirmed cases.
The agency’s figures came hot on the heels of a survey by Stockholm health authorities, which showed that some of the capital’s immigrant-dense suburbs were among the hardest hit by the virus. The Rinkeby-Kista district in the north was the worst affected, with 238 confirmed cases as of April 6. That is the equivalent of 47 cases per 10,000 residents, which is more than three times higher than the regional average of 13 cases per 10,000 residents.“
Immigrants are the hidden flaw in Sweden’s anti-lockdown policy
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/21/sweden-coronavirus-anti-lockdown-immigrants/
harkin (470cbb) — 7/19/2020 @ 2:58 pm_
I did quite well in my college science & math classes, when I was pre-med. But then I realized that I didn’t feel at home in a lab or a hospital, and I wasn’t driven to do scientific research. It really frosted me when people thought I changed my major because I couldn’t cut it academically.
So not everyone without a STEM degree is simply too stupid to understand a scientific paper, given some familiarity with the lingo and methods etc. But I freely acknowledge that the bulk of successful scientists are probably smarter than I am (Hi, Dave). And most of all, I will not try to tell any scientists that they are wrong in their own field of research.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:08 pmKIPP Charter Schools retires long-time ‘Work hard, be nice’ slogan in move to ‘dismantle racism’ because it ‘perpetuated white supremacy and anti-blackness’.
https://americanmind.org/features/american-education/wokeness-comes-for-charters/
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I would think assuming black kids are not capable of working hard or being nice is enabling racism.
harkin (470cbb) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:12 pm_
Harkin,
Thats no surprise. I’d love to see detailed numbers from our border states about coronavirus cases, but we will never get real information on alien cases.
As for the appeal to expertise, let me know when they stop “hiding the decline.”
NJRob (dc84df) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:14 pmThey seem to be hanging their hat on threats to the federal courthouse, but this may be coming from Donald Trump.
Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:17 pmMontagu at 2:44pm…
Here’s your grifterman… gets his money any way he can…
https://youtu.be/v1JNOAL5Kyc
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:18 pmI had a friend who read books about physics for fun — along with poetry, music, art history, mathematics, just about everything. He was also pretty good at blindfold chess. Another friend who’s a biologist wondered why someone with such a keen understanding of scientific questions hadn’t become a scientist.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:20 pmThere are some really smart people who don’t become scientists or get STEM degrees because they have different primary interests.
Here’s the full clip with all the laughs…
https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:21 pm461… “hiding the decline”?
More like riding the decline bareback…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:23 pmthat would be too difficult. If you could do that you would have STEM degrees.
The mentality of the born employee, the 9-5 Cubicle Dilbert.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:23 pmBTW, your Keith Richards tune was pretty awesome, Haiku.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:31 pmI wish I could say the same about TYT, a group that was too “progressive” for MSNBC. My complaint about the Lincoln Project is that they’re saying “vote for Biden”, which doesn’t sound very Republican to me.
454. Then I guess it’s a good thing I don’t live in a state of covid cowards, isn’t it?
Gryph (08c844) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:36 pm322. asset (9b76cb) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:28 pm
Sulivan Law. In 1911. Named after a Tammany hall Assemblyman. And it was to allow the police to disarm Irish gangsters not affiliated with Tammany Hall. Or maybe Italians. African Americans were not a majot factor in crime in those days.
Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:39 pmApologies to Bob Dylan
Everything is BrokenNeverTrump is BrokenBroken lines, broken strings,
Broken threads, broken springs,
Broken finances, broken heads,
People sayin’ they lost their cred
There’s no use jivin’
Ain’t no use jokin’
NeverTrump is broken
Broken bottles, broken plates,
Broken switches, broken gates,
Broken dishes, broken memes,
Streets are filled with broken dreams
Broken words never meant to be spoken,
NeverTrump is broken
Seem like every time you stop and turn around
Something else just hit the ground
Broken cutters, broken saws,
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:42 pmBroken ladders, broken laws,
Broken bodies, broken bones,
Broken voices on broken iPhones
Won’t drop that chicken, the one they’re chokin’,
NeverTrump is broken
Give it up, Gryph. You spilled the beans in your comment 279:
That’s why the police hate Miranda. They know that all they need to do is just keep the criminal talking. Sooner or later, he’ll give himself away.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:45 pmSullivan Law. Bi Tim Sullivan. Actually a State Senator, not an assemblyman. There was another Tim sullivan, who wasn’t so tall.
https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/big-tim-sullivan-tammany-kingmaker
He met a mysterious end.
Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:46 pm@460-
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:48 pmAnd Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act which banned open carry in California to disarm Black Panthers. California has never looked back.
Sorry-should be #470.
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:49 pm468… yes, that is a very good tune. I have to say I disagree with big Stones fan NorCal… Only Rock n Roll was a sign of decline… Beast of Burden? any song that’s covered by Bette Miller is automatically disqualified… much the same as what happened to Bowie’s Life on Mars, after Barbra Streisand chewed it up one side and down the other.
Start Me Up is a good song. Haven’t heard the other one mentioned…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:50 pmThe McCabe-Strzok version of “Jumpin’ Jack Flash” is the best cover of any Stones song ever.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:55 pm@458 Harkin, yes, that’s what my Swedish relatives have been telling me. Interestingly enough my Michigan relatives also said the same thing, except substitute Detroit.
Colliente (05736f) — 7/19/2020 @ 3:56 pmI’m not that discerning of a Stones fan, Haiku, and lot of the tunes were interwoven with life experiences.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:09 pmShe’s So Cold is a good song, not a great one, but we had a VW van packed packed full of frat bros and coeds on a four-hour roadtrip to Pasco for the hydro races; the beer was flowing, and we were singing that tune at the top of our lungs, several times over. At that moment, it was a great song.
I’m not that discerning of a Stones fan, Haiku, and lot of the tunes were interwoven with life experiences.
It’s funny how that last part works, lol. People, places, activities. I have a lot of the same memories.
I have a friend who won’t/can’t listen to Canned Heat’s On the Road Again. Seems that song was playing on his radio when he had the mud kicked out of him by an old boyfriend (and two of the guy’s buddies) of a young lady he’d just started dating.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:23 pmWhen I busted out laughing after hearing of that, he said it’s a funny story now, not so funny when it happened.
Surprising
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/channeling_candy_crowley_chris_wallace_uses_his_interview_with_president_trump_to_argue_with_the_man__and_gets_his_facts_wrong.html#.XxTBu5Z4ELQ.facebook
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:29 pmMr M wrote:
From 1776:
We have seen what happens when rights are not guaranteed and respected. people in the United Kingdom thrown into jail for “hate speech,” people in Europe jailed for Holocaust denial, and people in the United States put under house arrest without any due process of law.
It doesn’t take all that much imagination to see what can happen if we decide that the good of the state outweighs individual rights. After all, the conviction rate in the United States is very high, so clearly, since almost everybody the police arrest wind up convicted of something, it would be much easier and better for society to go to a guilty until proven innocent standard, to save all of the expenses caused by trials.
The feminists demanded, and President Obama granted, a system in which students charged with sexual assaults should be judged no on innocent until proven guilty, but preponderance of the evidence, along with a systemic refusal to grant the accused rights to confront his accuser, at least as far as college enrollment was concerned Hey, wasn’t that a good thing?
The woke are trying to punish people for having Wrongthink opinions. Hey, since the woke are all about fighting raaaaacism, wouldn’t it really be a good thing to curtail that silly freedom of speech thingy, and clamp down on racism by clamping down on racist speech?
So, yeah, some Americans do fight for our rights. You won’t know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:29 pm#481 — but when Trump gets his facts wrong — which he does with great frequency — that’s totally irrelevant.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:32 pm“YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK, Calif. (AP) — With no confirmed case of the coronavirus, Yosemite National Park appeared to be a safe haven from the pandemic.
But tests of the park’s raw sewage have confirmed the presence of the virus, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Saturday, and dozens of people are believed to have been infected.“
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Imagine thinking an entire National Park is virus-free.
They still don’t understand the ratios of positive cases, symptoms, severe cases and deaths.
It’s like they’re looking for reasons to panic.
harkin (470cbb) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:37 pm_
“Surprising
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/channeling_candy_crowley_chris_wallace_uses_his_interview_with_president_trump_to_argue_with_the_man__and_gets_his_facts_wrong.html#.XxTBu5Z4ELQ.facebook”
Take a look at this article and then tell me what “defund the police” meant to the fine writers at american thinker right up until last night.
https://tmp.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/defund_the_police_the_method_to_the_lefts_madness.html
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:42 pmTwitter Deletes Donald Trump Video With Linkin Park Song Over Copyright Violation
A Trump reelection campaign video soundtracked with a rendition of Linkin Park’s “In the End” was pulled by Twitter Saturday night, after the band filed a copyright-takedown notice demanding its removal.
Linkin Park confirmed Saturday night it had taken action to remove the video. “Linkin Park did not and does not endorse Trump, nor authorize his organization to use any of our music. A cease and desist has been issued,” the group said in a statement on Twitter.
Donald Trump had tweeted the video Saturday, which was previously uploaded by the White House’s head of social media on Friday……
Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:45 pm……..
Donald Trump and his campaign have been subject to frequent objections from artists demanding that he stop using their music in his ads or at his rallies. Those include the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, Panic! at the Disco, Pharrell Williams, R.E.M., Aerosmith, Adele, the Village People and Tom Petty’s family.
…….
More grifting.
The New York Times ran a story in the Satirday, July 18, 2020 newspaper saying the FBI knew by January 2017 that the Steele dossier was wrong. (cause: Senator Lindsay Graham released documents)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/steele-dossier-peter-strzok.html
Note: That’s the Feb 14, 2017 NYT (online date)
article that Comey denied was accurate to Trump and to Senators.
Strzok probably wrote this at the request of Comey. I also think the subsource was lying to the FBI about what he told Steele was the surce of his information and that everything he told Steele was approved by Russian intelligence. It was lies to explain why Putin was supporting Trump. Russian intellligence did not know that Steele was working for the Democrats but thought he ws working for MI-5 or British Conservatives. It was done to maintain the confidence that Steele and MI-5 – they thought – had in his Russian sources and Russian information he got mostly in the 00s, but also some current economic information.
Sammy Finkelman (37a793) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:46 pmUm, Biden wasn’t there and Wallace wasn’t moderating a debate. Rather, he was being a journalist–not a Hannity hack tossing out softball questions–doing his job fact-checking a president who deals too much in FakeFacts. Monica Showalter may be an American, but she’s not a thinker.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:55 pmHes just another talking head, no great oracle,
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:59 pm347. NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:25 am
The problem was not too many people really utilize the open threads to start something. I have a few topics.
It was;t an insider hack. The person who controlled so much of Twitter “Kent” was probably lying to his co=conspirators, who were not involved afer the first group of accounts were taken over.
There are people who like to take control of early Twitter sccounts. Because maybe many of them were abandoned they can. And they buy and sell them. A lot fo these accounts were set up by computer geeks. One of them was @6.
That was the first bstch. Possibly it was to prevent people from warning others.
Then came accounts focusing on bitcoin. his is where a request for money was made. (send money and double will be returned)
Then the third wave was celebrities with an enormous number of followers: Bill Gates, Kim Kardashian, Barack Obama Joe Biden.
@realdonaldtrump was not taken over, possibly because there have been attempts before and it had special protection. Of course it also might have exploded the scheme faster.
Or some foreign government spy agency.
I didn’t read that part.
Now they are all worried about someone taking over Joe Biden;s account on Election Day and…
Saying he is conceding? Falsely saying lawyers have arranged for extension of voting hours? That might be a way to use it for political advantage. The particular ideas touted as to how it might be misused are not very useable.
Sammy Finkelman (37a793) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:59 pmTrump said recent Supreme Court decisioon on DACA gives him more power, so he’s going to come out with executive orders on health care, immigration etc.. One element will be re-establishing DACA maybe with limitations.
Sammy Finkelman (37a793) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:02 pmGov of Colorado said (wile earlier he said mask order was uenforceable) he found out that counties with mask orders had 10% to 15% more people wearing masks, so he made an order.
Scott Gottlieb on CBS estimated that only 70% of the people would abide by one and even then they would stick to it on;y 75% of the time they should.
Sammy Finkelman (37a793) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:05 pmRemember he followed the same strategy as georgia, but wasnt tagged the human sacrofice governor
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:07 pmhttps://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/18/terry-crews-addresses-nick-cannon-supporters-i-was-never-afraid-of-the-kkk-it-was-people-like-you-948272
When you’re right, you’re right.
NJRob (ad3561) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:08 pm#467. I don’t work in a cubicle. You have the diagnostic skills of a turnip.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:09 pmThe reason we do not know as much about Covid-19 as we should is because from the very beginning the corrupt criminal traitor boy-toy of Roy Cohn (that would be Trump) has waged a wide-ranging campaign of concealment, lies, disinformation, and obstruction, and that’s a fact, Jack!
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:10 pmSammy,
My concern with the Twitter hack is exactly what you said where the chaos involved by taking over a state or political feed is enormous. Plus, with their controls over directing who can view threads or what gets seen/trends, they have an enormous influence on the election. Doesn’t help that the media is a bunch of Twitter addicts.
NJRob (ad3561) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:12 pmNo xis puppet theo adhanom who covered up the matter,and his good pal fauci wasnt curious.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:14 pmTrump was the very first to cover for Xi, in February, lying to us, the American people, that Xi had the coronavirus under control, and sending China our national stockpile of PPE, and that’s another fact.
As far as Fauci goes, his only sin is that he did not lie and obfuscate as much as Trump wanted him to, so Trump sidelined him, and now the entire CDC, from the information chain.
Trump is a corrupt criminal traitor who should be put on trial for mass murder. Half the country already knows that, and in the coming months half of the remaining half will come to know it too.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:23 pmif we didnt test whether people were still breathing failmerica would have almost no deaths from the fake chineser virus mr nk
its obvious to anyone willing to do the analysis
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:24 pmNarciso and nk are both wrong:
http://www.businessinsider.com/dr-birx-told-trump-april-coronavirus-was-going-away-nyt-2020-7
The article’s photo should be captioned: “That one time I tried to find out if that one berry/juice saying was true. Or perhaps this cuts to the chase.
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:46 pmI don’t know how I’m wrong. Trump paid a woman (with taxpayer money) to tell him what he wanted to hear and she did. It’s not Austin Powers, it’s that scene in “The Mechanic” where Jill Ireland reads Charles Bronson a letter she wrote him.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:51 pmAnd Trump did not even have to tell Birx she reminded him of his daughter. Or did he?
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:53 pmBut if someone sees a pickup truck with red-black-gold stickers reppin these provinces, it’s a hate crime not Centra Valley, Cicero IL or Gwinnett County GA “flair”:
http://news.yahoo.com/german-states-appeal-u-congress-171345550.html
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:01 pmShes a former army colonel,
https://www.outkick.com/florida-texas-case-surges-produces-small-fraction-of-new-york-deaths/
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:12 pmWell of course, part of making it to your golden years Florida experience is avoiding injury, malady and chronic comorbidities which cut into your income and keep you addicted to high octane state medic-___, free food and LiHeap up north. Georgia’s a young man/”playa’s” state – that’s their ticket re low CV mortality.
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:22 pmYes,
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/07/19/is-anthony-fauci-just-a-partisan-hack-or-is-he-actually-an-idiot/
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:26 pmVote for your favorite maggot!
Telly Savalas.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:39 pmNever heard of him.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:42 pm@509.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dirty_Dozen
Now you have.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2020 @ 6:47 pmMaybe he’s considered a stereotype, a scenery chewing Greek-American equivalent of a “coon”. On the other hand, one must also cite a saying attributed to Joe Pesci: “It is better to be typecast than not cast.”
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:02 pmSigh. “Never heard of it” was Donald Sutherland’s put-down of a soldier when Donald Sutherland, pretending to be a general, asked the soldier where he was from and the kid said said “Someplace, Flyover Country”.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:09 pmDonald sutherland the leading panther and sds supporter on the west coast after jane fonda
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:10 pmMy lasting impression of Georgia: there on a week-long business trip to ATL metro area in ‘94, one late afternoon went with a couple of colleagues to an eatery that specialized in hot chicken wings, ordered ‘em with “atomic” sauce… sitting across from my two friends in a booth next to a couple of locals who were talking a little loudly… was served the wings and a brew and we were all listening in on the local’s discussion… right around the part where the one fellow said, “so I walked to muh truck, reached under the seat for my .45, put it in my jacket, walked back over to that idiot, pulled the gun out and said, ‘so what you got to say now, you son of a b*tch?’… I saw my colleagues’ eyes get real wide, I halted a spew of a mouthful of atomic chicken mixed with beer, but just about ruined my nose in the effort.
Good times…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:12 pmWeird that Jack Bauer came from that…Tom Kirkman and Brat Pack wannabe straggler,sure.
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:13 pmA talented actor, no doubt but he plays a villain ie outbreak and hunger games a little too well, the mirror image is john voight who also was on the left.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:18 pmI had read the book and then the MAD Magazine parody of the movie and then finally saw the movie and thought that it basically sucked.
But maybe deliberately badly-made movies were the trend then? I just watched “The Love Bug” on the Disney Channel and Michelle Lee is perfectly mascaraed, eye-lined, and eye-shadowed, but shows a peach fuzz lady moustache. Weird.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:23 pmNathanson wrote a follow up novel with aaron banks one of the founders of the green berets set in where else indochina.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:31 pmnk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:09 pm
I like Kelly’s heroes. The strangest movie I saw with Donald Sutherland was Fellini’s Casanova.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:35 pmMaybe that’s it, felipe. “Kelly’s Heroes” was much superior. I went out looking for that song Harry Dean Stanton was playing on the jewsharp. I bought this version later: Rusty Kershaw playing it on the dobro.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:45 pmDaily Caller
@DailyCaller
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NOW: Rioters are looting an Amazon store in Seattle
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1284988892471599104?s=20
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Jeff Conder
@JeffConder1
As a mostly non-black crowd holds signs that say Black Lives Matter the same participants loot an Amazon store. Anarchy in it’s purest form under the guise of the BLM movement/riots/protests/crime wave
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Amazon learning that paying them off won’t help.
harkin (5af287) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:45 pm_
Daily Caller could at least read the full story from Fox, instead of just the clickbait: https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-rioters-looting-amazon-store-officers-injured
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:54 pmOn first glance, this looks like an assassination attempt on an Obama-appointed federal judge in NJ, perhaps by going at her husband and son. Tragically, her son was the one who was murdered and her husband is in critical but stable condition. And there’s this:
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:54 pmYes but is it the kind the left is hoping for…reminds me of the Judge Joan Lefkow incident in Chicago- husband killed, white supremacist suspected, but murderer was losing party in a medical malpractice suit she presided over.
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:58 pmWhat did they think would happen when the police is awol.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:59 pmNice tune, nk. I think then you’d like this tune.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:06 pmMaybe he’s considered a stereotype, a scenery chewing Greek-American equivalent of a “coon”. On the other hand, one must also cite a saying attributed to Joe Pesci: “It is better to be typecast than not cast.”
Nope. “Who loves you, baby?” Personally, with a Mexican playing the most famous movie Greek (Zorba) and a Greek playing the (then) most famous Puerto Rican (West Side Story), it was good to have a Greek playing a Greek.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:07 pmNice, felipe.
nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:10 pmWhat did they think would happen when the
police is awol.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:59 pm
Or diverted to pendejadas i.e. protecting Columbus statuary from bloodthirsty NPC, a salient concern/legit taxpayer request in Tony Soprano country.
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:15 pmWrong story, but still a possible consequence of reduced/diverted law enforcement resources.
urbanleftbehind (278ee7) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:17 pmAssassinating a federal judge, or attempting to, is uncommon but typically will get the highest priority from the federal government. To involve the family is even more uncommon.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:36 pmThis is pure speculation, but the judge had been threatened before and the shooter was dressed up like a FedEx guy (indicating a degree of planning), so I’m guessing it’s mob related but, who knows, this has been a nutso year. The guy could also be a mental case or have some bizarro politico-racial agenda.
Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:45 pmColonel Haiku @476,
Do yourself a favor, and check out Doom and Gloom, which is the Stones best song since Start Me Up. Extra points if you recognize the woman in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWiB7ZuLvI
norcal (a5428a) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:33 pmQuite possible the husband is the target with that work history as Essex isn’t exactly the best area with Newark and Livingston as part of the county.
This hits a little too close to home. Hope they deal with the murderer appropriately.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 9:49 pmIt doesn’t matter who the target was. It could have even been the shooter thought someone else lived there. The fact that a federal judge lives there makes this a highest priority case.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:03 pmAgreed DRJ. Though I think premeditated murders should always be a highest priority case.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:09 pmOn a related topic, an interesting law and order article:
DRJ (aede82) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:12 pm“Make a DEAL…”
“What kind of deal?”
“A DEAL deal… maybe the guy’s a Republican”
Dave (1bb933) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:13 pmhttps://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/19/activist-cuts-brake-line-to-nypd-van-in-latest-deadly-act-of-violence-against-cops-949003
What is wrong with these people? Trying to kill cops and anyone they hit?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:22 pmI read the nba will join the Taliban as China has asked. Nike has no problem having those prisoned muslims making tenny shoes. Can we burn Portland to the ground, please.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:27 pmNJRob, now that you had a night to sleep on it and a day to look for it, any chance you found that lie you accused me of?
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:42 pmNot a shred of capitalism in what has been done to the Red.skins. But you knew that. Leftists using their power to destroy and intimidate. They know how to do that well.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:50 pmThe market did not decide. Political pressure from leftists did.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:51 pm“Not a shred of capitalism in what has been done to the Red.skins. But you knew that. Leftists using their power to destroy and intimidate. They know how to do that well.”
“The market did not decide. Political pressure from leftists did.”
Great analysis. Lurker and I both had detailed posts, and your response is “nuh uh”.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:57 pmSo when called on your baseless accusation of dishonesty, just double down, huh? How very on brand for a Trumpkin.
I’d say I’m surprised you didn’t call me Fake News. but the day’s not over yet.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:25 pmIf you could do that you would have STEM degrees.
I have a B.S. in physics from Harvey Mudd. You?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:37 pmMy favorite Star Trek episode.
(How often are you subjected to that awful joke?)
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/20/2020 @ 2:32 amNevertrumpers be buying some lieawatha 2020 signs as biden can’t remember who he is.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/20/2020 @ 2:53 amThis country is circling the drain, even nevertrumpers will have to pick a side, our side or suicide.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/20/2020 @ 3:05 amNope, sorry, mg. I only eat chickens.
nk (1d9030) — 7/20/2020 @ 4:16 amAnd now you know why Trump does not feel he needs to wear a mask.
Russia’s elite given experimental coronavirus vaccine for months: report
Note that it’s Fox News.
nk (1d9030) — 7/20/2020 @ 4:19 am“I’ll be right eventually. I will be right eventually. You know I said, ‘It’s going to disappear.’ I’ll say it again,” Trump said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”
but…..
“I don’t agree with the statement that if everyone wore a mask, everything disappears,” Trump said
noel (4d3313) — 7/20/2020 @ 4:34 amNothing to see here
https://pjmedia.com/culture/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/19/portland-afro-indigenous-non-binary-protester-calls-for-abolition-of-the-united-states-as-we-know-it-n662241
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/20/2020 @ 5:52 amWell earned
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2020/07/20/allen-west-james-dickey-texas-gop-chairman/amp/
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/20/2020 @ 6:11 amFrom my home town newspaper
Gryph (08c844) — 7/20/2020 @ 6:14 am554
No! You expect me to believe PJ Media located a left wing nutjob? My pearls! Fetch my fainting couch!
Here’s more shocking news for you, Narciso, but get a hold of something sturdy before I tell you: She’s not the only one!!
Wake me when the President goes 10 words without lying, or as long as I’m asking the impossible, does something useful.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/20/2020 @ 6:22 amThis is why there has been 51 days of rioting in portland.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/20/2020 @ 6:27 amPretending that there is no pandemic. How is that working for Georgia and Florida, Gryph? Brag while you can.
noel (4d3313) — 7/20/2020 @ 6:52 amThe problem isn’t that there are left-wing nutjobs. Or right-wing nutjobs.
The problem is that one of them is currently president.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/20/2020 @ 6:54 amPeople that have an opinion are making that opinions known. That and 3$ will get them a nice coffee.
The Billionaire that owns the thing is considering using his property rights to change the name.
Communists that don’t believe in the free market are complaining that someone gets to do what they want with their property.
You’re not even saying you like the name. You’re just upset that the owner is able to decide what they want to do with it and they’re basing that decision on wrongthink.
Time123 (b4d075) — 7/20/2020 @ 7:15 am#StoptehStupidandMeaningless
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2020 @ 7:31 am#287 “The mask, in case someone has missed the memo, is not to protect the wearer so much as to make it much more difficult for them to infect others if they are in the asymptomatic incubation period. So, not wearing a mask is reckless endangerment and should be charged as such.” So Kevin, since you have a BS in Physics, you should be able to research the design of various kinds of masks and understand their limitations in various environments under wide ranges of humidity. Given the data with regard to network effects, patterns of infection and population densities, and infection densities, you would then understand that statewide mask mandates are ridiculous and counterproductive. You would also understand that the idea of not wearing a mask as reckless endangerment is only valid in a limited set of circumstances. Your statement is clearly over the top, and should not be made without the appropriate qualifiers to an uneducated audience.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/20/2020 @ 7:41 amI remember when a Sambo’s restaurant opened in West Seattle, back in the late 1970s. It wasn’t protesters or swarms of liberals that caused the restaurant to close after a few years and become a Denny’s. It was a growing recognition among the almost 100% whitebread residents of our lunchbucket community (at least it was back then) of the racist signals it was conveying, and they were uncomfortable walking into a diner with that name and that sign with that smiling nappy-haired black kid. It was the free market that caused the restaurant to close, not politics or political pressure. And that’s fundamentally how free markets work, because Sambo’s thought they could make money with their racist-looking product and the people didn’t want it.
Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:02 amIt wasn’t going to get better with Dan Syder, and his team has a well-documented racist legacy. It’s not just FedEx (and stadium naming rights are worth around $8 million a year). There are other advertisers as well. Someone is going to slap an ad on the empty socially distanced stadium seats, and Snyder is going to lose ad revenue on that and a thousand other things. It may come to a point where black players might think twice about signing with the team, thus putting them at a competitive disadvantage.
A good capitalist would try to broaden his product’s appeal as much as possible, reaching the most paying customers as possible. Snyder wouldn’t be a good capitalist if he didn’t make the change.
“You’re not even saying you like the name. You’re just upset that the owner is able to decide what they want to do with it and they’re basing that decision on wrongthink.”
He’s mad that someone he doesn’t like is getting a “win”.
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:09 amHere is an example of how you would put together an effective mandate. There now exists plenty of Covid – 19 data for every county in the country. Given the data you can measure time to double for cases and deaths. The reason you choose time to double is because, unlike R0, it is directly observable. Once you have this data you can identify those counties that are significant hotspots, and those counties that have a high potential of becoming hotspots in the future. You could then set threshold criteria for when mandates should be implanted, what kinds of mandates, and when they should be removed.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:11 amYou could even tailor the mandates based on the risk characteristics of the populations in each county, such as age and other known risk factors.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:13 am@565, that’s probably it.
Time123 (b4d075) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:20 amImplemented not implanted
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:31 amSupporting the destroyers of civilization. How very progressive of you.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:35 amlike the folks in the library tower on independence day,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:45 amSupporting the destroyers of civilization.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:47 amI’m sure civilization will survive changing the name of a very mediocre (3-13) football team.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/lincoln-project-election-season-grift/
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NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:52 amLincolnGrifter Project.565, 568… He’s mad that someone he doesn’t like is getting a “win”.
That’s rich coming from a lefty, lol…
Colonel Haiku (5243a2) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:57 amHaiku, all I’m doing is letting people expose themselves. It’s up to them to realize it.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:05 am@#564, Paul, at what point is it hypersensitivity? Clearly Fedex was comfortable enough two decades ago to purchase the naming right to the stadium and have been fine with the association when lawsuits were filed and the matter was previously public. I would speculate that not a lot has changed with Native American opinion on the matter…it still appears that a minority of Native Americans are bothered by this. Certainly the intent of the Washington team is no more racist than is the intent of the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, or Florida State Seminoles….where logos and tomahawk chants are at least comparably offensive.
So something changed to motivate Fedex, right? I guess it’s low hanging fruit…that can make them look like they are doing something about racism…without having to actually do much. I mean it’s gotta be cool to eye gouge Dan Snyder. But where does the purity test end? A lot of teams out there are nicknamed Warriors….is that too close as well? Intent should matter….and I never saw racist intent behind the Washington nickname….
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:20 amNo way! Comrade NJRob is correct. The Redskins have always been a lynch pin of western democracy. If they change that name other institutions will be sure to fall and soon we might even have to endure miscegenation, allow the Irish to live above ground or let women have the vote. It’s a slippery slope for sure.
Time123 (d1bf33) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:26 amAJ, honestly the whole thing looks silly to me. Since there’s not a lot of native american’s bothered by this i don’t think it’s a big deal. So I think the people pushing for the change are silly. I think the people up in arms about the change are even more silly, they can’t even articulate a reason why they want the name to stay unchanged.
Time123 (d1bf33) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:29 am575… between their need to be perceived as heroic and their love of teh dance, it’s a dance, monkey, dance kind of thang…
Colonel Haiku (5243a2) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:34 amIt’s this, basically
https://i.imgflip.com/48uq3g.jpg
Davethulhu (5814c1) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:34 amI tend to agree….though I do have some…at least a little bit…. of empathy for fans who have rooted for a team all of their lives….to now suddenly be forced to change their language and fan gear because….in effect…sensitivity. Solving police use of force problems is a tough challenge…much harder than simply removing police funding that could go for more police training and community outreach…and perhaps merit pay for those without complaints (ok, that was my off the cuff thought). But doing meaningful things…has been replaced by doing these feel-good things….that do little to change racist sentiments. If anything, they tend to separate us further….as people eye-roll when the next Jefferson/Washington monument is attacked. I’m not going to argue that nostalgia is sufficient reason to not change the name….the Bullets did become the Wizards….and fans survived….but I empathize with the initial abruptness of it all
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:51 amI haven’t seen anyone on this thread made that argument.
Time123 (653992) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:52 amhttps://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-judges-son-shot-killed-husband-injured-attack/story?id=71871708&cid=social_twitter_abcn
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/20/2020 @ 9:54 amThe parallels with the attempted murder of Judge Joan Lefkow in Chicago in 2005 are remarkable. The killer had been the plaintiff in a medical malpractice case which Lefkow had dismissed. He went to her home to kill her, but only found and killed her husband and her mother. He got away but very shortly after killed himself.
nk (1d9030) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:08 amdavemac,
Dustin (064e00) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:08 amKevin didn’t say the masks are perfect, or that all masks are perfect. It is common sense that masks help, and better masks help more. Maybe in a perfect world, we could know the perfect mask for each situation and supply everyone, but this is a bit of a challenging year. Just do the best you can. If the best mask you can get is surgical, fine. If it the best mask you can get is an n95, great. Statewide mask mandates are impossible to enforce, but take the heat off the little guy. Instead of screaming at the worker bee at 7/11, you can rant at your governor. That is, actually not ridiculous or counterproductive, since we know this is an imperfect situation. If the cops try to actually give tickets for this thing, that is indeed stupid. If someone is going to make a federal case out of this, fine, let them go without their freedom stealing mask. Whatever. But most people aren’t idiots so the mask mandate saves lives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/world/asia/china-mask-forced-labor.html
Support slavery. Wear a chinese mask.
Why are we not boycotting all their exports yet?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:28 amWhy are we not boycotting all their exports yet?
Ask Trump.
nk (1d9030) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:35 amThat is the question, AJ. I’m too lazy to look for it, but I think there was another survey of Native Americans, and a strong majority were not offended by the Red.skins name, just like a similar survey a decade or so ago. Most of the American Indians appear to be concerned about bigger things, like prospering while keeping their native identity, which speaks well about their community.
Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:38 amSo what this really comes down to is how corporations deal with their PR image, where a growing segment of the populace has become disenchanted with a name and a logo. FedEx is in a competitive world where they’re trying to gain market share against UPS, etc. They can spend their money on another stadium with a less controversial name and get more bang for their advertising buck. It’s hard to see where capitalism doesn’t underpin all of this.
I also see this: Now that the SJWs have gotten Snyder’s scalp (ban pun intended), they’re not going to stop there. They’ll pick another mascot and start up the Outrage Machine all over again, and they’ll probably overreach to the point of ridiculousness, thus damaging their causey cause, so I don’t see this as some sort of groundswell.
The main thing I found interesting about the Red.skins name change is that this wasn’t driven by boycott threats, but rather by a coalition of shareholders. Very different MO than what’s happened in the past.
Davethulhu (05bf21) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:57 amThis guy’s no Sarah Cooper, but he’s good enough. The soundtrack is actual comments from a South Florida mask ordinance town hall.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:12 am“It is common sense that masks help, and better masks help more.”
If one looks at the pandemic as a time-varying dynamical system with lots of uncertainty, time lags, imperfect measurements, imprecise control actions, and parameter variations (across locations, age groups, and socio-economic groups), it is an excruciatingly complex optimal control problem….which is why I somewhat chuckle when people complain about model accuracy and control efficacy. However, an uncertain model is still better than no model because we have some basic understanding on the dynamics of infection spread….and can dynamically estimate parameters like the transmission and recovery rates. Masks impede transmission….not perfectly….but used in conjunction with distancing and sanitizing….are what we can do. Even Sweden with a more hands-off approach, still asked for voluntary distancing. They were shooting for herd immunity while not “killing” their economy….but they didn’t end up coming out much better on either mortality rates or economic wellness. Infections spread…more movement and interaction…more transmission. Aberdeen, South Dakota may operate with a different beta transmission rate but it’s certainly not zero. I would hate to go to a baseball game with players from a different state and inadvertently spread the virus around town because of some odd perception of how germs spread.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:19 amThat’s also a good point. If everyone is wearing masks, it actually helps the economy.
Dustin (064e00) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:26 amI agree we should boycott China over human rights. For example the concentration camps. Step one is to vote against Trump, who supported these camps. Trump does deflect with China a lot, but he’s had a lot of time to do something about it and it seems mainly about crude economics, not human rights, to him.
Dustin (064e00) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:29 amDustin, you have no clue what you are talking about. The perfect mask is a straw man argument and not relevant.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:34 amStatewide mask mandates are counterproductive because you are forcing county populations to wear masks where the marginal utility is close to zero and the populations involved know it because they haven’t been wearing masks for months, the number of infections is low and the time to double is 8 to 10 weeks. All this does is convince large numbers of people that their government is incompetent.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:43 amThe New Jersey fella who shot Judge Salas’ husband and son is Roy Den Hollander, a “well-known men’s rights attorney and self described ‘anti-feminist’”, and he could be a murderous litigious Trump sniffer.
Last year, Den Hollander argued before Judge Salas in a male-only military draft case, which she dismissed. Doesn’t sound like a motive for murder to me. Still lots of questions.
Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:49 amEach mask has a parametric operating region where it is effective. Depending on the environment and the user the effective operating region can shrink rapidly and actually go to a null set. Depending on the population and the environment you can get over 50% of the population wearing useless masks. At this point, the utility of slowing the infection using masks gets very low.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/20/2020 @ 12:15 pmnk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:23 pm
Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44) — 7/20/2020 @ 12:21 pmSome of the time the video is only in one ear.
Fox News interrupts the press conference to bring breaking news of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg in the hospital that day.
At 25 minutes Trump says his actions saved “millions of lives”
“Let him [Biden] define carbon because he can’t”
His criticism about Biden platform is all about immigration.
Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44) — 7/20/2020 @ 12:41 pmFWIW Biden has a chance to beat Trump in Texas because Trump may well be the least popular Republican on a national ballot in Texas in decades. Trump almost cost Cruz his race: Cruz led by 5-9 points before the Trump rally but barely won, and trailed all but the most damaged Republicans on the ballot.
Further, Trump’s vote total in 2016 (against a very unpopular Hillary) was disappointingly thin, only slightly more than Romney’s vote total in 2012 (despite 800,000 more Texans turning out to vote in 2016). Romney wasn’t that popular in Texas compared to the Bush and Reagan years but his percentage of the Texas vote dwarfed Trump’s. Analysts attributed the difference solely to candidate Trump among Texas conservative voters and IMO many of those voters are even less impressed in 2020.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/20/2020 @ 3:29 pmFor comparison, in Texas, Gov Abbott in the 2018 off year election got as many votes as Trump in his Presidential election against Hillary, despite 800,000 more Texans voting in 2016.
Texans still like Republicans but not as many like Trump.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/20/2020 @ 3:41 pm596. Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:49 am
He is also suspected of having killed another person – not a pro-feminist but another men’s rights advocate – in California on July 11. That would sound like a kind of personal dispute or rivalry. Marc Angelucci was the vice president of the National Coalition for Men. Maybe Hollander had committed some kind of embezzlement or other crime and was about to be turned in?
It’s another case of someone having murdered someone, and then figuring after that, he’s going to get caught, and he’s going to at least get life imprisonment, and therefore any subsequent murders he commits are free of consequences for him. Sp this was enough:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dead-man-in-ny-may-be-tied-to-killing-of-nj-federal-judges-son-shooting-of-her-husband-sources/2521563
That was enough of a motive, because, for him, any murder after July 11 was “free.” So much so he didn’t even pay careful attention to who he was killing.
Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44) — 7/20/2020 @ 4:08 pmAn otherwise law abiding person was has just killed someone, and is not yet caught, but has no hopes of not getting caught is one of the most dangerous types of persons around. all murders to him, are “free.”
The unusual thing is that, he didn’t get his hopes up after a week, but perhaps he was running out of money
Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44) — 7/20/2020 @ 4:13 pmIt sounds like a weirdo who went blood simple, that’s what it sounds like.
At least the murderer of Judge Lefkow’s family in Chicago went insane after the death of his wife for which he blamed the doctors, and committed suicide in remorse and in the words of the note he left because he was sick of killing.
nk (1d9030) — 7/20/2020 @ 4:16 pmBreaking: Trump contemplating sending 175 federal police to Chicago by the middle of next week.
But there’s no demonstration or occupation and no federal courthouse in danger of being destroyed. I think.
Or maybe it;s 150.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/20/homeland-security-planning-to-deploy-150-agents-to-chicago-this-week/#172d481b4146
You get the feeling there are people trying to amend Trump’s orders to make them more rational.
Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44) — 7/20/2020 @ 4:27 pmCuban vs. Cuban. Haven’t these two been at it before?
nk (1d9030) — 7/20/2020 @ 7:07 pmOpening day n the baseball season will be Thursday, New York Yankees versus the Nationals (games before that are preseason exhibition.)
Dr. Anthony Fauci will throw out the first pitch.
There are several rules changes:
1) Designated hitter for National League teams.
2) In extra innings teams start with a runner on second base.
3) Relief pitchers (all pitchers?) must pitch to at least 3 batters befre being taken out of the game..
It will be a 60-game season – 40 against teams in the same division and the remainingg 20 against teams in the same region in the other league/
Sammy Finkelman (ae5747) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:38 pmDHS Authorizes Domestic Surveillance to Protect Statues and Monuments
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A document provided to Lawfare on July 19 from the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Office of Intelligence & Analysis (I&A) describes personnel as “collecting and reporting on various activities in the context of elevated threats targeting monuments, memorials, and statues”—and it gives legal guidance concerning the “expanded intelligence activities necessary to mitigate the significant threat to homeland security” posed by such activities.
The document, titled “Job Aid: DHS Office of Intelligence & Analysis (I&A) Activities in Furtherance of Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, Statues, and Combatting Recent Criminal Violence,” is not classified. Its three pages each bear the heading “UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.” But it clearly indicates that at least parts of the intelligence community are being tasked with monitoring and collecting information on some protest activities.
…….. It is explicitly tied to President Trump’s executive order of June 26, 2020……
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What kinds of collection and surveillance can DHS engage in for intelligence purposes generally? The rules spell out that:
So in other words, protestors can reasonably expect that there will be ongoing DHS collection and analysis of public source information about—and likely the social media postings of—people involved in protests.
……..It identifies three “appropriate missions” for I&A activities with respect to protest activity:
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Indeed, the first of these missions is a bit jarring if you pause to think about it. We certainly did not anticipate when we read the executive order last month that the federal government would interpret it as defining the threat to deface monuments as a homeland security matter warranting domestic intelligence collection by the federal government against U.S. persons—even, say, a local public monument without a national profile. We suspect others did not anticipate that reading either.
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…….[A]n array of collection authorities [are] available when an I&A analyst has a “reasonable belief” supportable with “facts and circumstances” that can be articulated of any “Threats to damage or destroy any public monument, memorial, or statue.” That’s a pretty striking position for the federal government to be taking as a matter of both law and policy. Indeed, it’s difficult to understand the federal government’s interest in, or constitutional authority over, minor property damage to non-federal monuments on non-federal property.
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……The memo makes clear that “Persons merely engaging in non-violent protest activities near MMS, or making hyperbolic statements about MMS likely do not constitute a threat to MMS” (emphasis added). Rather, it states, a “’threat to MMS’ means the infliction of any damage sufficient to impede the purpose or function of the MMS.”
We will leave for another day the almost philosophical question of what level of damage might reasonably be said to impede the purpose or function of a statue. Suffice it to say that DHS analysts are now authorized to collect intelligence on threats to inflict such damage—though apparently not damage that falls short of impeding a statue’s “purpose or function,” whatever that may be.
Rip Murdock (361788) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:46 pm…….
* 347 490. I wrote:
Actually his screen name was “Kirk” The account profile, on Discord, was first activated on Tuesday, July 7.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/technology/twitter-hackers-interview.html
He contacted a few people on Discord on Tuesday night, July 14, saying he worked at Twitter, and wanted them to help sell for him rare user names.
The hack went on on Wednesday, with the second phase (takeover of bitcoin related accounts followed by well known acconnts with many followwrs) beginning at about 3:30 p.m. Eastern time
They call themselves O.G. short for “Original Gangsters.”
Sammy Finkelman (375edc) — 7/21/2020 @ 6:42 amStarbucks in th news again. For a company that doesn’t condone anti-police behavior, it certainly seems to happen there more than other places.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/22/2020 @ 10:20 am