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7/18/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:46 am



[guest post by Dana]

This week’s open thread is bookended by heroes. Feel free to share any news items in the comments. Please make sure to include links.

First news item

The sad loss of some “good trouble”:

Two towering figures of the American civil rights movement died Friday, a major loss for a nation still grappling with protests and demands for racial equality decades later.

John Robert Lewis died at age 80 after a battle with cancer. Rev. Cordy Tindell “C.T.” Vivian died at age 95 of natural causes.

Both men were the epitome of “good trouble” — Lewis’ favorite saying and approach to confronting injustices guided by his belief in nonviolence. They worked alongside the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in the forefront of the historic struggle for racial justices in the 1960s.

Barack Obama on John Lewis:

John Lewis — one of the original Freedom Riders, chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the youngest speaker at the March on Washington, leader of the march from Selma to Montgomery, Member of Congress representing the people of Georgia for 33 years — not only assumed that responsibility, he made it his life’s work. He loved this country so much that he risked his life and his blood so that it might live up to its promise. And through the decades, he not only gave all of himself to the cause of freedom and justice, but inspired generations that followed to try to live up to his example…In so many ways, John’s life was exceptional. But he never believed that what he did was more than any citizen of this country might do. He believed that in all of us, there exists the capacity for great courage, a longing to do what’s right, a willingness to love all people, and to extend to them their God-given rights to dignity and respect.

A beautiful obituary here.

Rest in peace.

Second news item

Asking the question: What are Federal law enforcement officers doing in Portland?

By all appearances, there are now at least 100 federal law enforcement officers on the ground in Portland. But media reports suggest that many of those officers (a) are not wearing identifiable uniforms or other insignia, (b) are not driving marked law enforcement vehicles, and (c) are not identifying themselves either publicly or even to those whom they have detained and arrested. Making matters worse, local authorities—from the mayor to the sheriff to the governor—have repeatedly insisted not only that they don’t want federal assistance but that the federal response is aggravating the situation on the ground. Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, in contrast, has repeatedly taken to Twitter to claim that local authorities are refusing to restore order—albeit with only vague references to which federal laws are not being enforced (and repeated allusions to “graffiti” and other property damage by “violent anarchists”).

In all of these respects, what’s happening in Portland appears to be a reprise of much of what happened in Washington, D.C., at the beginning of June, when Attorney General William Barr called upon a wide array of statutory authorities to commandeer hundreds of federal law enforcement officers in order to “restore order” in the nation’s capital. At the time, many who both criticized and defended Barr’s actions pointed to the federal government’s unique legal authority over the District of Columbia—implying (whether as a feature or a bug) that the same authorities wouldn’t be available, at least to the same extent, in the 50 states. But if nothing else, the events in Portland appear to underscore that the federal government sees no such distinction—and that it believes it has the power to similarly deploy federal law enforcement authorities across the country, even (if not especially) over the objections of the relevant local and state officials.

Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security, interviewed on NPR:

CUCCINELLI: Well, I can’t speak to this specific instance, but the federal courthouse there is protected by Federal Protective Services, who are being supported by both CBP and ICE officers and – because of the violence there and the graffiti. I’m sure you’ve seen all of that. And they are attempting to make arrests. They are attempting to identify violent rioters and to then pick them up, arrest them and go and have them prosecuted federally.

MCCAMMON: Are you saying this has only happened once?

CUCCINELLI: The offenses there are federal.

MCCAMMON: Are you saying this has only happened once?

CUCCINELLI: I’m not speaking to the number of times it has happened. I’m telling you what they’re doing in terms of a process. And I fully expect that as long as people continue to be violent and to destroy property that we will attempt to identify those folks. We will pick them up in front of the courthouse. If we spot them elsewhere, we will pick them up elsewhere. And if we have a question about somebody’s identity – like the first example I noted to you – after questioning determine it isn’t someone of interest, then they get released. And that’s standard law enforcement procedure, and it’s going to continue as long as the violence continues.

Related: Attorney General Rosenblum Files Lawsuit Against Homeland Security

Third news item

Waiting for it to disappear on its own, I guess:

President Trump says he will not issue a national mandate requiring Americans to wear masks in order to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.

“I want people to have a certain freedom and I don’t believe in that, no,” Trump said in an interview with Fox News’s Chris Wallace that will air in full on “Fox News Sunday.”

Trump also seemed to express skepticism about the efficacy of masks, noting that public health officials initially said that facial coverings were not necessary for healthy individuals, before later adding that he is a “believer in masks.”

“I don’t agree with the statement that if everyone wore a mask, everything disappears,” Trump said, referring to Wallace’s mention of the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) saying that the country could get the virus under control in four to six weeks if everyone wore a mask.

Don’t bug me, I’ve got stuff to do:

Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”

White House spokeswoman Sarah Matthews countered in a statement: “President Trump has always acted on the recommendations of his top public health experts throughout this crisis as evidenced by the many bold, data-driven decisions he has made to save millions of lives. Any suggestion that the President is not working around the clock to protect the health and safety of all Americans, lead the whole-of-government response to this pandemic, including expediting vaccine development and rebuilding our economy is utterly false.”

Fourth news item

Oh no:

Disturbing new revelations that permanent immunity to the coronavirus may not be possible have jeopardized vaccine development and reinforced a decision by scientists at UCSF and affiliated laboratories to focus exclusively on treatments.

Several recent studies conducted around the world indicate that the human body does not retain the antibodies that build up during infections, meaning there may be no lasting immunity to COVID-19 after people recover.

Strong antibodies are also crucial in the development of vaccines. So molecular biologists fear the only way left to control the disease may be to treat the symptoms after people are infected to prevent the most debilitating effects, including inflammation, blood clots and death.

“I just don’t see a vaccine coming anytime soon,” said Nevan Krogan, a molecular biologist and director of UCSF’s Quantitative Biosciences Institute, which works in partnership with 100 research laboratories. “People do have antibodies, but the antibodies are waning quickly.” And if antibodies diminish, “then there is a good chance the immunity from a vaccine would wane too.”

Fifth news item

The vexing problem of reopening schools:

The White House has blocked CDC officials from testifying in a House Education and Labor Committee hearing scheduled next week on reopening schools, a senior CDC official confirmed to The Daily Beast. The committee’s chair, Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA), had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield last week to testify on July 23 to discuss “the immediate needs of K-12 public schools to safely reopening.” But, at the direction of the White House, Redfield won’t attend.

California governor says schools in counties on COVID-19 watchlist (33/58 counties) must stay closed:

A county has to be off the state’s COVID-19 monitoring list for 14 consecutive days before schools there can reopen for in-person learning. Under the new mandate, it’s unlikely that many California districts will be able to have classroom instruction at the start of the school year.

Sixth news item

Considering Trump, conservatives, and the three likely outcomes of the presidential election:

So let’s walk through the three most likely outcomes of the presidential election and ponder the impact of those events. One can reasonably foresee a narrow Trump victory, a narrow Trump loss, and (based on present polling trends) a decisive Trump loss…Analyzing a close Trump victory is easy. It would not only decisively reaffirm the bond between Trump and the GOP, it will represent a second consecutive national political earthquake…He’ll be the man who survived a pandemic, urban unrest, impeachment, and a special counsel. He’ll stand astride the GOP like a colossus…If Trump loses narrowly, expect a viciously toxic atmosphere—with furious Trump partisans blaming enemies within and without for Trump’s loss, and opportunistic populists delicately positioning themselves to serve as better standard-bearers for the new, truly populist Republican Party…A serious Trump loss, however, leads to interesting, branching possibilities—but all against the sad (for conservatives) backdrop of progressive energy that could well surpass anything Hillary Clinton could have accomplished had she won in 2016…First, the Trump die-hards will still play the victim (“It was the pandemic!” “It was the media!”), and the smaller GOP left over after a blowout loss will hail mainly from the deepest red states and districts, so there will be an audience for Trump apologetics…

Hero:

On July 9th, my six year old nephew Bridger saved his little sister’s life by standing between her and a charging dog. After getting bit several times on the face and head, he grabbed his sister’s hand and ran with her to keep her safe. He later said, “If someone had to die, I thought it should be me.”

90 stitches later, Bridger continues to recover from the harrowing event. God bless his noble little heart.

Have a good weekend.

–Dana

612 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. What are Federal law enforcement officers doing in Portland?

    It’s quite simple, really.

    And when push comes to shove
    I will send a fully-armed battalion
    To remind you of my love

    (if you haven’t watched Hamilton yet on Disney, what are you waiting for?!)

    Dave (1bb933)

  3. No a trump loss will the end of this country, these vermin can not be allowed to win.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  4. Akshually, impeding the function of the federal judiciary authorizes the President to send in the military. Doing it the 1984 1934 way is easier on the Burghers’ sleep and digestion.

    nk (1d9030)

  5. 3. A Trump loss will not mean the end of the country; a Trump loss will speed the end of the country.

    Gryph (08c844)

  6. Maybe “some people” will even stop and think before using German words when discussing coronavirus precautions.

    nk (1d9030)

  7. nothing says law and order like night and fog mr nk

    Dave (1bb933)

  8. 7. Desperate times call for desperate measures, dontcha know?

    Gryph (08c844)

  9. Trump is already a loss for America. Mark her tombstone “July 4, 1776 — January 20, 2017”. All that’s left is maggots feasting off her dead corpse. Vote for your favorite maggot!

    nk (1d9030)

  10. Everyone can relax.

    The unidentifiable secret police in camoflage and unmarked vehicles were just taking the suspects into Schutzhaft, er, ah, “protective custody”. For their own safety, you see!

    Speaking to NPR’s All Things Considered on Friday, Homeland Security Acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli acknowledged that federal agents had used unmarked vehicles to pick up people in Portland but said it was done to keep officers safe and away from crowds and to move detainees to a “safe location for questioning.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  11. Anarchy breeds tyranny and tyranny breeds anarchy, and that’s all most people are fit for. Democracy is for the intelligent, the educated, the socially adjusted, and the socially responsible.

    nk (1d9030)

  12. Unsurprising: no tweet from Trump re Lewis’s passing. Pelosi ordered flags at US Capitol to half-staff, but nothing from Trump re federal buildings.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  13. The question of what’s happening in Portland can best be answered with another question:

    ‘What have the government/police/city leaders of Portland been doing about the lawlessness, riots, assaults, destruction of property etc. in Portland?

    Now the thugs are crying for protection after weeks of kristallnacht?

    Laughable.
    _

    And this isn’t something new in Portland. This boil has been festering for a while:

    “Earlier this year, we were thrilled to join with Mayor Ted Wheeler and cut the ribbon for our new Sorel offices downtown at Southwest Broadway and Taylor Street. Sorel footwear is a tremendous success story, a growing brand known for being the most fashion in outdoor and the most outdoor in fashion.

    Although it began decades ago in Canada as a functional men’s footwear brand, it is in the creative Portland environment that the brand has been transformed and become a leading seller of fashionable women’s footwear.

    Our celebration of our new offices ended swiftly. We were immediately receiving reports from employees that they were being hassled, harassed and threatened by individuals near our office. A few days ago, one of our employees had to run into traffic when a stranger outside our office followed her and threatened to kill her. On other occasions our employees have arrived at work only to be menaced by individuals camping in the doorway.

    And our employees have had so many car break-ins downtown that we have started referring to parking in Portland as our “laptop donation program.” Last night it happened again to one of our newest transplants to Oregon, a European who recently moved his family to Oregon. As he hosted one of our biggest customers downtown, his windows were smashed and his laptop and travel papers were stolen.

    Given these experiences, it is a relief when the only thing we are dealing with is the garbage and human waste by our front door. Think about that for a minute.“

    Tim Boyle – CEO Columbia Sportswear – Nov 2017
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  14. Dubya’s statement on Lewis:

    “Laura and I join our fellow Americans in mourning the loss of Congressman John Lewis. As a young man marching for equality in Selma, Alabama, John answered brutal violence with courageous hope. And throughout his career as a civil rights leader and public servant, he worked to make our country a more perfect union. America can best honor John’s memory by continuing his journey toward liberty and justice for all.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  15. Poor, poor, internationalist money-grubber is not find it easy to make money in Portland? Where my genuine $49.99 Stradivarius from China?

    nk (1d9030)

  16. Don’t forget how the Groupthink idiots at Occupy Atlanta (one of the forerunners to Antifa and BLM) treated John Lewis:

    https://youtu.be/FaBFhRsi4Gw
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  17. After Trump dies, one of the more challenging assignments for law enforcement will be preventing all the people walking up and pissing on his grave.
    Vladeck’s final paragraph is solid:

    There’s definitely reason to be alarmed about what’s going on in Portland. And even if the federal officers are technically complying with the relevant statutes, there’s something more than just unseemly about camouflaged officers who refuse to identify themselves or their employer purporting to conduct arrests on the streets of American cities. Whether these officers are in fact abusing their authorities or not remains to be seen, but either answer would be deeply troubling.

    It’s akin to Putin’s little green men who were roaming over the Crimean region of Ukraine.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  18. no real rebuttal, you have seen how you can’t be woke enough, media matters susan rosenberg, they all play the note, you bow even after your storefront is destroyed, columbus is vandalized a sign that they want to abolish your history,

    narciso (7404b5)

  19. and john lewis outright libeled the tea party when they were the only public presence against obama, once upon a time he was a hero, but for the last quarter century, he was a scoundrel,

    narciso (7404b5)

  20. The unidentifiable secret police in camoflage and unmarked vehicles were just taking the suspects into Schutzhaft

    If they were enforcing social distancing and mask mandates, you’d have a tingle up your leg.

    beer ‘n pretzels (65ab42)

  21. Why waste time quoting a Trump hating newspaper full of anonymous sources about how trump is behaving. Is it just wish-fulfillment for liberals and never-trumpers?

    As for John Lewis, I have no idea why this guy became the Civil Rights leader that every Moderate Republican loved to loved. I’m pretty old, and I can’t remember anyone talking about this guy in the 1990’s or earlier. But then out of nowhere you had McCain telling the USA in the 2008 debates that John Lewis was one of his most (or was it the most) admired men, ever, ever. And now you have Bush yapping away about how sad he is over his death. Didn’t Lewis call Bush-II a racist? Didn’t Lewis call the Tea Party racists, and claim he overhead them call him the N-word, when no audio or TV picked it up?

    It just shows how worthless the moderate Republicans are. 100-1, Mittens will pop up soon, and tell us he’s in tears over John Lewis’ death. Pathetic.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  22. Trump Campaign Legal Adviser Appears on Kremlin-Backed TV
    A top Trump campaign adviser recently appeared on the Russian-government funded TV network RT, which U.S. intelligence agencies have said plays a role in the Kremlin’s plans to undermine American democracy.

    Trump campaign senior legal adviser Jenna Ellis’ appearance on RT’s The Alex Salmond Show aired on July 9. She appears to be the first Trump campaign official to go on the Russian-funded network since the 2016 election.

    During her interview, Ellis defended Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic and bashed the American media as “propagandist activist media.” Ellis also accused Fox News—the cable news network most friendly to the president—of having an anti-Trump bias.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  23. yes I remember how one had to speak out in hushed tones against obama and his terrorist comrade, for fear of provoking violence, according to the sainted john lewis,

    narciso (7404b5)

  24. If they were enforcing social distancing and mask mandates, you’d have a tingle up your leg.
    beer ‘n pretzels (65ab42) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:42 am

    Projecting straw man fantasies must be bred in the Trumpkin genes.

    nk (1d9030)

  25. russia promotes russian interests, american newcasters promote chinese and qatari ones, with some russian dezinforma that schiff stuffs under the door,

    narciso (7404b5)

  26. Lewis on Palin and McCain From October 2008:

    “What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history,” Lewis said in a statement issued today for Politico’s Arena forum. “Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.”

    “George Wallace never threw a bomb,” Lewis noted. “He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.”

    And McCain’s Admiration:

    Appearing with Barack Obama at a forum at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in August, McCain included Lewis as one of “three wise men” he would consult as president.

    “He can teach us all a lot about the meaning of courage and commitment to causes greater than our self-interest,” McCain said of Lewis.

    Now, Lewis is castigating McCain in the harshest of terms.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  27. speaking of Russia, Does anyone remmber that John Weaver, head of the Lincoln Project, is a registered agent for Russia?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  28. no, he gave that up, but it was his obtuseness that thought he could get away with that, chertoff never trumper extraordinare, did shill for firtash, but that doesn’t matter,

    narciso (7404b5)

  29. speaking of Russia, Does anyone remmber that John Weaver, head of the Lincoln Project, is a registered agent for Russia?

    You do, rcocean, but I think you’re the only one who does.

    nk (1d9030)

  30. It’s not just the president who botched the pandemic response, but governors as wel.

    https://reason.com/2020/05/26/the-president-and-governors-alike-botched-the-pandemic-response/

    In the midst of several states reporting record high numbers of infections and deaths on a daily basis, we have the CDC and the FDA blocking private labs from performing tests and private businesses from providing medical supplies, the federal government hijacking medical equipment and supplies, overwhelmed hospitals smuggling equipment and supplies to avoid federal hijacking,, governors suing mayors to prevent mask mandates, the list goes on, it’s a complete failure of government at all levels.

    People are dying. This disease is raging out of control, and the longer we continue down this path we’re on, the more infections, hospitalizations and deaths we will come to.

    It’s insane. Other countries took this outbreak seriously from the beginning, months ago, and now have it contained. But the United States, the richest country in the world with the best medical care didn’t and can’t? It’s beyond insane.

    Politics above public health. We’ll see how that works out, and it won’t end well.

    As to the upcoming election, Eric Boehm makes a good point that it will be decided by the so-called “hate voters,” those who do not support the nominee of either party.

    https://reason.com/2020/07/17/potential-key-to-the-2020-election-voters-who-cant-stand-both-trump-and-biden/

    He is correct that most of these voters held their noses and voted for Trump, because he was slightly less detestable than Clinton. I wasn’t one of them. I voted Libertarian.

    That was 2016. In 2020, most of those voters are breaking for Biden.

    I am not one of them, but I’m not too keen on the Libertarian candidate this year.

    So what am I to do? I’m probably going to ask for a paper ballot and write in Justin Amash.

    At least he’s true to his beliefs and principles, which is more than I can say about the other candidates.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  31. Fox News’ Neil Cavuto Cuts Away From Trump Speech to Fact-Check Attacks on Obama’s Economy
    ……..
    …….. Cavuto …….said……Trump had “mischaracterized the regulations that were added under Barack Obama — they were largely financial related.”
    ………
    The Fox News anchor also rejected Trump’s premise that those financial regulations yielded devastating results.

    “The unemployment rate did, under Barack Obama, go down from a high of 10% to around 4.7%. President Trump, of course, sent that even lower, eventually getting us down to a 3.5% unemployment rate. …….

    “It was not a disaster under Barack Obama,” Cavuto said. “Not only did the Dow essentially triple during his tenure, but whether you want to call the increase regulations and other things that police financial companies, as a bane to our existence, those companies did very well. Americans did very, very well. So I just want to put that in some context here.”
    >>>>>>
    I guess this is what Ellis was talking about-Fox News actually fact checking the President instead of their usual cheerleading. Shocking!

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  32. When did quoting Liberal Democrat David French become news? LOL. i can’t say much about his analysis, except its completely bereft of the policy implications of Trump winning or losing. If Trump wins, we’ll be able to replace Ginsberg with a conservative and continue to appoint conservatie judges. We’ll also be able to prevent the Democrats from giving open borders, legalized voter fraud, socialized medicine, and police de-funding. If Trump loses, the USA will simply go the way of California – a one party state forever.

    As for internal Republican party politics if Trump loses. French ignores the fact that he and all his other liberal/moderate cronies have Zero Credibility. Before he could talk about how we needed to be pragmatic and nominate fakes like Bush-II, Jeb, or Romney because WE HAD TO WIN. But after saying for 2 POTUS elections that it doesn’t matter if the Republican wins, that PRINCIPLE is all important…well no one is going to listen. The Republican base/Trump supporters are NEVER going to listen to traitors like French again. They’ve outed themselves.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  33. 31. The disease is raging out of control? Dude, we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve. It will burn itself out before we get a vaccine.

    Gryph (08c844)

  34. The Authoritarian Operation in Portland Is Only a Dress Rehearsal
    ………
    A major American city is being softly Pinochet’ed in broad daylight. And, if we know one thing, if this president and his administration get away with this, it will only get worse. You’d have to be out of your mind—or comatose since the Fall of 2016—not to suspect that this could be a dry run for the kind of general urban mobilization at which the president* has been hinting since this summer’s protests began.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  35. @35-
    Post a link to studies that say that or you’re just pulling it out of somewhere.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  36. Susan Rosenberg is a terrorist and a despicable person, but let’s not pretend she’s playing anymore than a bit role in Black Lives Matter. She’s vice chair of the board of directors for Thousand Currents, an organization that provides fundraising and administrative tasks for BLM. The actual extent of her personal involvement in BLM is unclear, and she’s not in any BLM leadership position, so all this harping on about her is fairly ridiculous.
    It’s more than fair to say that there are progressives and a smattering of Marxists in BLM, but that doesn’t mean they’re a Marxist organization. To the extent that they use violence during protests or block freeways or engage in other illegal activities, criticize the hell out of ’em. Otherwise, they’re another left-wing protest group with a political agenda, misguided as they are about defunding police.
    And I’m also getting sick and tired hearing the nonsense and hyperbole about the false choice that this upcoming election is between Trump and socialism.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  37. ‘to speak the truth, in a time of deceit is a revolutionary act’ so sayeth orwell, whittaker chambers, thought in the end, he was joining ‘the losing side’ and nearly 70 years after witness I can’t truthfully say otherwise, gramsci has made a victory tour through the academy and now corporate america, and to that there is a tinny arf, ‘maybe the constitution is a suicide pact’ as justice jackson stated, then again he never imagined it would be twisted this way, I am fraid will have to say to Franklin ‘sorry we couldn’t keep it long past two and quarter centuries

    narciso (7404b5)

  38. The Authoritarian Operation in Portland Is Only a Dress Rehearsal

    What will we call it when it’s the real thing? How about “lockdown”.

    beer ‘n pretzels (65ab42)

  39. Gryph: “we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve”

    Could you describe Alaska’s Denali for me?

    noel (4d3313)

  40. “The disease is raging out of control? Dude, we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve. It will burn itself out before we get a vaccine.”

    Today Arizona reported a new one day high for deaths – 147. But I am reliably told on this blog that people die all the time in Arizona so it’s not a concern.

    Victor (a225f9)

  41. Zack Beauchamp
    @zackbeauchamp
    ·
    If someone told you, before Trump took office, that unidentified state security officers would start disappearing people into unmarked vans — what would you think had happened to the country?
    __ _

    Zack Beauchamp
    @zackbeauchamp

    I don’t play this game often, but this time it’s revealing: Imagine if Obama had done this to Tea Partiers
    __ _

    JT LOL
    @jtlol
    ·
    Who can forget the Tea Party Riots of 2009?
    __ _

    Eduardo de la Goya
    @Falconeddie1
    ·
    I have a photo from one of those wild tea party riots
    Let me see if I can find it….Hey here it is

    https://twitter.com/Falconeddie1/status/1284219428750663680?s=20
    __ _

    Zombie Claude Rains
    @ZombieClaudeR
    ·
    Because the circumstances are so similar, except, you know, the arson, looting, property damage, assaults, etc. But besides the actual crime, almost indistinguishable!
    _ _

    Robert Craigen
    @RCsEvilTwin
    ·
    Here’s what I remember about Tea Party events:

    Across town OWS riots cost municipalities 5+ figures $$ cleaning up garbage and vandalism damage, while city crews generally reported that Tea Partiers cleaned up after themselves & left areas in better shape than when they came.
    __ _

    Greg D
    @Fungusaur
    ·
    Because the Tea Party was nonviolent, you feel safe lying about them being violent.

    Because Antifa is violent, you are afraid, so you lie about them being peaceful.
    __ _

    Ozark Finesse Guy Redux
    @DTReeves2
    ·
    … something something Lois Lerner…

    __

    harkin (5af287)

  42. Demonstrations are a human right. Vandalism, graffiti, and window smashing are obliviously wrong and not a part of rightful demonstrations. Government should intervene to prevent these crimes. However, the government is also obligated to act lawfully. A secret police rounding up people without scrupulous adherence to legal norms strikes me as more worrisome than the crimes committed by the thugs. I fear the hand of the government more than I fear a mob. The history of the world is the history of government overactions. I am for the demonstrations in Hong Kong, also.

    Fred (79d82a)

  43. When did quoting Liberal Democrat David French become news?

    Do you listen to yourself? David French is a liberal Democrat like I’m a campaign volunteer for Trump 2020.

    Do you have any principles that don’t boil down to reactionary tribalism? It liberal Democrats didn’t exist, what would you say is important to you politically?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  44. https://noqreport.com/2020/07/15/blm-activist-henry-e-washington-arrested-for-killing-a-cop-mainstream-media-yawns/

    More cops shot and murdered, this time by a BLM activist. Media ignores.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  45. 42. People die all the time everywhere. But if you’re willing to surrender control of your life because “experts” tell you to, I guess there’s really nothing that can be done. I’ll just sit here in my corner and thank God daily that I live in South Dakota.

    Gryph (08c844)

  46. I had read somewhere that there are documented cases of Legionaire’s Disease (a bacterial infection treated with antibiotics) being misdiagnosed as CoViD-19 without tests. I wonder what percentage of hospital beds in Texas and Arizona are being taken up by people that could be given an antibiotic and told to go home. SMDH

    Gryph (08c844)

  47. Trump’s Fumbling of the Coronavirus Crisis Could Kill the College Football Season

    One of Donald Trump’s favorite things to do as President has been visiting college football games in friendly locations, bathing his eternally needy ego in applause and affirmation. Last season alone, he attended the LSU-Alabama game in November, the Army-Navy game in December, and the College Football Playoff championship between LSU and Clemson in January. ……

    That’s going to be a difficult vanity play to repeat in 2020.

    There will be no college football crowds of the usual size. There might not be college football, period……

    If the season dies, we know who had the biggest hand in killing any chance of it happening: Donald Trump.
    ……..
    Slow to respond, quick to downplay the risk, unwilling to create a national strategy, quite willing to attack governors who took the pandemic seriously, pushing for premature openings of states, flaunting a no-mask stance for months and turning that into a belligerent political statement, Trump and his ideologues are now marinating in a midsummer mess of their own creation. What an epic failure of leadership, one that will deprive Trump of his cherished autumn fealty festivals at a packed football stadium.
    …….
    This really applies to all sports. I doubt baseball will complete their 60 game “season” without a major CIVID-19 outbreak. The same applies to pro football and basketball. The NBA has already had breeches in “bubble” in Florida.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  48. tell us what value the marxist mob will allow you to have, speech, assembly, religion, everything serves their purpose of redistributing wealth to themselves, rosenberg is the last wave, chomsky, zinn and ayers long preceded them, a puppet like that in minneapolis or seattle are very helpful,

    narciso (7404b5)

  49. As usual, Gryph read “something somewhere” without providing evidence or a link.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  50. 52. I don’t get you Trump haters. What could have have done, what should he have done that he didn’t do? I agree with you that he’s an inarticulate stooge who doesn’t engender a lot of confidence in the Federal Government, but I didn’t have confidence in FedGov to begin with. As a conservo-libertarian, I’ve spent my whole adult life thinking that the government that does less, works better.

    Gryph (08c844)

  51. 54. Just because I don’t provide a link doesn’t mean it’s not true. And even if it were true, do you think it would be reported on as it doesn’t fit your “OH NOZ ITZ DEDLY!” narrative?

    Gryph (08c844)

  52. What will we call it when it’s the real thing? How about “lockdown”.

    Trump’s re-election.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  53. Unsurprising: no tweet from Trump re Lewis’s passing. Pelosi ordered flags at US Capitol to half-staff, but nothing from Trump re federal buildings.

    Dana (25e0dc) — 7/18/2020 @ 6:48 am

    Rep Lewis is the one that said Trump was an illegitimate president. Did you have a problem with that? Will you have a problem with the president not being invited to the funeral? What about when he lied about the tea party and Breitbart offered money for anyone coming forward to prove Lewis’s slanderous statements?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  54. 58. No surprise to me. Lots of Lewis love from conservatives now that the execrable race hustler is dead. I’m sure when Al Sharpton finally shuffles off his mortal coil, there will be a lot of praise from Republicans despite his blatantly anti-semitic history, as well.

    Gryph (08c844)

  55. with a cdc that was focused on gun control and obesity, a who head who owed his post to china, a
    treacherous opposition, that maintained this fraudulent impeachment, and welcome as many vectors into san francisco and nyc, tell me what he was supposed to do, gryph

    yes berenson is one of the few who has mined the data, past the blank pages of the republic of pandemia, as he likes to call it, dr todaro has manned the front against scientific malpractice, as lancet committed for their client gilead, pay to play as they say,

    narciso (7404b5)

  56. @55-
    As I’ve said before, I didn’t vote for President in 2016 and I won’t be voting again this year. Trump was morally unfit to be President from the beginning, and he’s proved me correct. I’ve spent the money I would normally give to the RNC on specific House races around the country.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  57. 51, Nick Cannon (and Empire, if one thinks about it) + Chris Wallace prove there should be no assumption of symbiosis between Fox over-the-Air and Fox News

    urbanleftbehind (5f1852)

  58. There will be a 60 game season plus playoffs and World Series, but the champion, at best, will resemble the B team from a spring training split squad game day (minors/MiLB are cancelled, so there’s a reserve of 100 to draw from).

    urbanleftbehind (5f1852)

  59. @56-
    Assertions like yours without evidence (or at least a link to the RT story you’re reading) are just BS.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  60. Leaders in Ohio try a new plea: Take the virus seriously if you want to get sports back.
    …..
    “If we want Friday night football in the fall,” Gov. Mike DeWine posted Friday on Twitter, “we must all take precautions now.” After urging social distancing, mask wearing and hand-washing, Mr. DeWine added “#IWantASeason,” a hashtag he and others have posted repeatedly in recent days.

    Though governors aren’t known as hashtag trendsetters, the #IWantASeason message has resonated in sports-loving Ohio, where more than 1,600 new coronavirus cases were announced Friday, a single-day record.
    …….
    Yeah, downward spiral. Not COVID-19, but some semblance of normalcy in the fall.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  61. otoh, if it wasn’t for ted kennedy, I might not be here, an uncle drowned in the florida straights, otoh, it wasn’t for liberals in the state department and company, the ones who bought vilma espin damsel act, fidel would have properly been dealt with, and I would have no need to be here, my country of birth, would not have starving citizens and a citiscape out of dresden,

    narciso (7404b5)

  62. There will be a 60 game season plus playoffs and World Series, but the champion, at best, will resemble the B team from a spring training split squad game day (minors/MiLB are cancelled, so there’s a reserve of 100 to draw from).

    Not if you have a major COVID-19 outbreak among one or two teams. They will need to quarantine not the infected teams, but any team they played. Especially given the model the MLB is using, letting teams to remain rather than a “bubble” like the NBA.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  63. BLM is a marxist organization. They were created as one, run as one and promote their propaganda as one.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  64. free thinkers in ahia, think dewine and portman, as nearly useless, what did they vote for them for do they stand for anything,

    narciso (7404b5)

  65. Let’s all get worked up about a world without pro sports.

    beer ‘n pretzels (aee173)

  66. With case counts rising, U.S. leaders push stricter measures
    ……
    On Friday, for the second time, more than 70,000 coronavirus cases were announced in the United States, according to a New York Times database. A day earlier, the country set a record with 75,600 new cases, the 11th time in the past month that the daily record had been broken.

    The outbreak is so widespread that 18 states have been placed in a so-called red zone because they have more than 100 new cases per 100,000 people per week, according to an unpublished report distributed this week by the White House coronavirus task force, which urged many states to take stricter steps to contain the spread.
    …….
    More than 10,100 cases were announced on Friday in California, the state’s second-highest daily total yet.

    In Florida, where more than 11,400 cases and more than 125 deaths were reported on Friday, some localities added curfews. With its hospitals reaching capacity, Broward County imposed a curfew from 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. beginning Friday. Curfews were also imposed in the city of Miami Beach and the rest of Miami-Dade County.
    …….
    The record for U.S. daily cases has more than doubled since June 24, when the country registered 37,014 cases, after a lull in the outbreak that kept the previous record, 36,738, standing for two months. Daily virus fatalities had decreased slightly until last week, when they began rising again.
    …….
    To quote Gryph: Dude, we’re on the trailing end of the flattened curve. It will burn itself out before we get a vaccine.
    Obligatory Kevin Bacon reference.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  67. @73-
    That’s when I have my beer and pretzels!

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  68. For an interesting account of the Portland situation people may want to read this assessment by a liberal:

    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/07/at-least-we-can-no-longer-pretend-that-there-is-no-crisis

    The thinking is that even though the actions taken by the federal agents in Portland are within the letter of their authority, they are actually in violation of norms regarding state/federal/city police interaction, and that one of the hallmarks of Trump’s character is a willingness to bust through norms if it’s to his benefit.

    The real purpose of what’s going on appears to be generating videos to be used in Trump campaign ads about how scary socialist Democrats are. So much scarier than a sort of flu that appears to be a problem for some people maybe.

    Victor (a225f9)

  69. there are no liberal, there are just terrorist enablers and those that haven’t been cancelled yet,

    narciso (7404b5)

  70. Chris Wallace interviewing Trump, fact checks him on his claim that Biden wants to defund the police.

    Trump interrupts interview to show proof that Biden plans to defund the police. It did not go well

    https://twitter.com/brooklynmutt/status/1284205912283140096

    The think I find most unbelievable about this is Trump actually reading a hundred page document.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  71. fine lets pretend an attack on the portland courthouse didn’t matter, like ali velshi, he must farsi for idiot,

    narciso (7404b5)

  72. they are actually in violation of norms regarding state/federal/city police interaction

    “Keep Portland Weird”

    beer ‘n pretzels (04f282)

  73. Chris Wallace interviewing Trump, fact checks him on his claim that Biden wants to defund the police.

    Yes, someone desperate to enforce the Logan Act probably needs the police around.

    beer ‘n pretzels (04f282)

  74. BLM is a marxist organization. They were created as one, run as one and promote their propaganda as one.

    Where in their charter do they support totalitarianism and government ownership or control of the means of production? You won’t find it, because you’re engaging in unfounded hyperbole.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  75. Your post about Bridger reminds me of the passengers of Flight 93 which was taken down in Shanksville, PA. This is the American spirit at its finest.

    John B Boddie (f44786)

  76. 74. How many of those “rising cases” are from Legionella infections? I’m not saying I know, but it’s definitely a plausible scenario:

    Shut down commercial buildings for months so that the water in the plumbing stagnates and loses its chlorine content, and then Legionella cultures on the pipe walls start to infect people that drink from the faucets that haven’t been properly flushed. Oh look! Here are more pneumonia cases that can be misdiagnosed as CoViD! Only these pneumonia cases are bacterial, and nobody’s bothering to treat them with the proper antibiotics, so the death counts go up even more, even though they’re not all CoViD deaths. In fact, an increasingly smaller percentage of them actually are!

    This is what it looks like when the cure is worse than the disease.

    Gryph (08c844)

  77. 83. BLM cofounder Patrisse Cullors described herself as a “trained Marxist.” One might argue that on the basis of that, and the information on the BLM website, that they don’t know what real Marxism is and that might be true. But they fancy themselves Marxist on the basis of their desire for a violent overthrow of capitalism. That seems to be the most salient point to me.

    Gryph (08c844)

  78. Continuing that wonderful monologue from Hamilton:

    When you’re gone, I’ll go mad
    So don’t throw away this thing we had
    ‘Cause when push comes to shove
    I will kill your friends and family to remind you of my love

    I agree with Dave that it is a WONDERFUL play (and it is a filmed Broadway play, from 2016, with the original cast). It may take some adjustment getting into the dialects.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  79. @85-
    Pure speculation. Assumes facts not in evidence.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  80. Regarding Portland, what the DHS is doing is unconstitutional.

    Atricle IV, Section 4:

    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

    As I understand it, neither the governor nor legislature has asked for this “help.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  81. More cops shot and murdered, this time by a BLM activist. Media ignores.

    One, Officer Shoop was killed by his fellow officer, in the crossfire. Two, we do know that Mr. Washington supported BLM. You don’t know if he’s an activist, which is speculative. Those are the facts. Every other commercial building in Seattle has one kind of BLM sign or another. It doesn’t mean that every other Seattleite gives money to BLM or shows up at their protests. So much hyperbole going on out there.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  82. The people who wrote the Constitution were quite aware that a federal government might be aggressive when it came to popular demonstrations in a given state, and put up a roadblock to make sure that it couldn’t do so.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  83. So much hyperbole going on out there.

    To match the apologisms.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  84. BTW, that same Article Iv would prevent the federal government from ordering any measure regarding Covid-19, save those that operated across state lines. They could, for example, bar interstate travel entirely but they could not make me wear a mask in the supermarket if my state did not mandate that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  85. 88. That describes most of the nation’s CoViD policy so far. I don’t know why it bothers you so much when the speculation doesn’t fit the narrative. (yeah, I know; I answered my own question)

    Gryph (08c844)

  86. Where in their charter do they support totalitarianism and government ownership or control of the means of production? You won’t find it, because you’re engaging in unfounded hyperbole.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:16 am

    They’ve tried to whitewash their website and disappeared a lot of their marxist demands, but history still exists on the internet… for now.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-releases-policy-agenda-n620966

    Speaking of hyperbole, you’re engaging in it Paul. The marxists at BLM call themselves such. I take them at their word.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  87. Defense secretary effectively bans Confederate flags from military bases while rejecting ‘divisive symbols’
    ……
    In his memo Friday, Esper sought to cast his decision as an affirmation of the American flag and what it means. He did not mention the base-naming issue.

    “Flags are powerful symbols, particularly in the military community for whom flags embody common mission, common histories, and the special, timeless bond of warriors,” Esper said in his memo, which was obtained by The Washington Post. “As Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, a veteran of the Second World War, once wrote about the United States flag: ‘It is a symbol of freedom, of equal opportunity, of religious tolerance, and of good will for other peoples who share our aspirations.’ ”

    Esper said that in addition to the American flag, several others are authorized, including those of U.S. states and territories, the District, military services, general officers, Senate-confirmed presidential appointees, American allies and partners, and organizations such as NATO in which the United States is a member, as well as the POW/MIA flag.

    Confederate flags are absent from that list.
    …….
    This policy won’t survive a second Trump term.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  88. The federal government has the authority to protect federal property and employees inside a state with federal police. When it comes to the functioning of federal courts, Trump could even send in the military. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/252

    nk (1d9030)

  89. Attorney General Rosenblum Files Lawsuit Against Homeland Security

    The link goes to the plaintiff’s website, rather than a neutral party. It’s hard to separate the facts from the spin (e.g. “peaceful protester”). Parties to a lawsuit often shade or omit facts.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  90. The federal government has the authority to protect federal property and employees inside a state with federal police.

    How far away from those federal buildings does this reach?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  91. This policy won’t survive a second Trump term.

    “So much hyperbole going on out there.”

    beer ‘n pretzels (8dac67)

  92. https://web.archive.org/web/20200212055930/https://policy.m4bl.org/about/

    Ahh, the good ol way back machine is so helpful when it comes to smoking out the marxists. Now I leave the rest to you Paul.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  93. This policy won’t survive a second Trump term.

    It may not survive the Supreme Court, at least not the inclusion of the POW/MIA flag, which is a political flag, not a State flag. If one statement about a lost cause is allowed, why not another?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. I love the “Trump is a racist, neo-confederate, Putin’s lover, dictator, not dictatorial enough, criminal, etc…”, but BLM Marxist??? What??!! Where’s that in their charter?? LOL

    beer ‘n pretzels (8dac67)

  95. The Gadsden flag, symbol of yet another lost cause, is also not on the list. Nor is the Betsy Ross flag, for that matter.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  96. It may take some adjustment getting into the dialects.

    Subtitles for the win.

    I’m pretty much completely unable to pick unknown/unfamiliar speech out of a noisy background.

    Dave (1bb933)

  97. President Trump says he will not issue a national mandate requiring Americans to wear masks in order to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.

    Good, because he can’t. If he could order us to all wear masks, he could order us to all drink bleach. There’s a reason this isn’t allowed.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  98. I’m pretty much completely unable to pick unknown/unfamiliar speech out of a noisy background.

    At points, yes. But given a decent S/N, it’s not worse than Shakespeare.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  99. That first consort christina cuomo would have us do.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  100. I watched a video review that claimed Hamilton averages something like 140 words per minute, and in some places bursts of over 200 wpm.

    Dave (1bb933)

  101. As far as Covid-19 is concerned …

    The virus is hardy, and persists on surfaces; it is airborne; it is highly contagious; it does not debilitate most carriers; most carriers are infections before symptoms present; it has a long incubation, allowing spread; it is deadly and debilitating enough to halt the world economy; it is not deadly enough to end all life; antibodies are short-lived.

    What, if anything, would you need to do to weaponize this? If this WAS a bioweapon, I’d give the designers an “A”.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  102. Ahh, the good ol way back machine is so helpful when it comes to smoking out the marxists. Now I leave the rest to you Paul.

    You’re proving that BLM is into liberalism and social justice, not Marxism, Rob, so thanks for that confirmation. BLM is quiet on the subject of taking over the economy.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  103. Much of that is contradictory or anecdotal

    Narciso (7404b5)

  104. 111. Um, not so much. A bioweapon would have to kill a far higher percentage of people that get it than CoViD does. All viruses persist on surfaces to some degree. If that is true about CoViD-19, that doesn’t make it unique or even really unusual by a longshot.

    Gryph (08c844)

  105. That you think liberalism has the same platform as marxism speaks more about you than them Paul. But keep it up.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  106. Trump keeps fighting a Confederate flag battle many supporters have conceded

    President Donald Trump is fighting to retain people’s right to fly the Confederate battle flag — but many of his own supporters and government have already turned in their swords.
    …….
    ……. Trump himself in 2015 told reporters that it was time to move the Confederate flag from state capitols to museums.

    Yet 2020 Trump has barreled ahead, repeatedly defending the flag as a “freedom of speech” issue, and comparing it this week to “Black Lives Matter” signage. For Trump, the stance is part of a broader strategy to inflame the culture wars around so-called cancel culture, which has enraged conservatives who lament everything from the reimagining of corporate logos, to the vandalization of historical statues, to the censoring of “Golden Girls” episodes because the main characters wore mud masks.
    …….
    According to a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday, the majority of Americans, 56 percent, responded that they viewed the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism, compared to 35 percent who view it as a symbol of Southern heritage. Even those in Southern states aren’t as hot on the Confederacy these days — 55 percent of respondents from the South saw the flag as a racist symbol, while 35 percent did not.
    ……..
    ……. [W]ith his reelection on the line, Trump is recontextualizing his view on the flag in a culture war-friendly manner, hoping to speak to his Republican base.

    While the majority of Americans now see the Confederate flag as a racist symbol, 74 percent of Republicans view the flag as representing Southern heritage, according to the Quinnipiac poll, while only 16 percent see it as racist.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  107. Its a weapon of terror, designed to destabilize primarily western economies in combination with their pro lockdown media campaign

    Narciso (7404b5)

  108. To clarify further, there is nothing liberal about leftists. They love to steal words to cloak their lies. Look at the “affordable care act” for example.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  109. To match the apologisms.

    Right, because calling things as they are is “apologism”, and presenting false choices such as the election being about Trump or socialism is some kind of “truth”. I remember similar false choices made in 2008, and the union survived the socialist onslaught.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  110. Nothing sadder than a fool that doesnt learn

    https://mobile.twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1284358180416479233

    Narciso (7404b5)

  111. Speaking of hyperbole, you’re engaging in it Paul. The marxists at BLM call themselves such.

    Um, I already said that I’m sure there are self-professed Marxists at BLM. It doesn’t mean they’re a Marxist organization; that part is hyperbole.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  112. For any who didn’t click the link, these are some of the policies that Paul calls liberal:

    The six platform demands are:

    1. End the war on black people.

    2. Reparations for past and continuing harms.

    3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people.

    4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.
    5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us.

    6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  113. What, if anything, would you need to do to weaponize this?

    Put an aggressively ignorant sociopath, who actively works to thwart science-based countermeasures, in charge of the target’s response?

    Dave (1bb933)

  114. Yes, someone desperate to enforce the Logan Act probably needs the police around.

    Trump: John Kerry ‘Should Be Prosecuted’ Under Logan Act

    DRJ (aede82)

  115. Another weekend shot in teh ass over Trump. Good show!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  116. Unsurprising: no tweet from Trump re Lewis’s passing. Pelosi ordered flags at US Capitol to half-staff, but nothing from Trump re federal buildings.

    Read the news. But, but, but, he didn’t do it FAST enough. What baloney.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  117. The thing is, if you would’ve asked me the question four years ago, I probably would’ve said “yes”, they’re Marxists, for this line:

    4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.

    But they took that out and re-focused on social justice, probably because they figured out that most liberals want no part of economic collectives.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  118. Should have sent the drones, just to make sure.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  119. 127. Or maybe they’re trying to hide just how Marxist they still are so that the SJW types find their violent revolutionary tendances to be a little more palatable.

    Gryph (08c844)

  120. This was happening around the time there was an attempt of the opposition conference in europe before the bombing of the saudi oil terminal, was kerry providing strategy.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  121. The pander fest over Lewis’s death is really quite silly. Yes, it was nice he was there 55 years ago marching for civil rights, but that was 55 years ago. He wasn’t any more noble than the 2 million guys who fought in Vietnam or tens of thousands of heroic soldiers, policmen, fire-fighters since. HE was for Civil Rights because it was good for black folks. What black person was AGAINST Civil rights? In fact, if you go back and look at it, almost all of white america, north of the mason-dixon line was for civil rights.

    He reminds me of McCain, who lived off his Vietnam heroism, despite being a Jerk of the highest order, for 45 years. Lewis wasn’t a jerk, but good Lord, can we stop acting like we’ve lost the wisest man in America.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  122. How far away from those federal buildings does this reach?

    Yemen?

    nk (1d9030)

  123. 131. I dunno. I think if Lewis wasn’t a jerk, he skirted that line quite adeptly.

    Gryph (08c844)

  124. You forgot about ft hood or flight 253 or the attempted attack in your own city of chicago.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  125. 23.Trump Campaign Legal Adviser Appears on Kremlin-Backed TV

    So did Richard Nixon: 5/28/72. It’s a Republican thing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  126. Good to see Trump defending Confederate Flags. They’ve been there in the USA army for over 100 years. The confederate flag was with the US army at the Meuse Argonne, D-Day, Okinawa, Inchon, and Vietnam. I’ve even seen some confederate flags painted on trucks/tanks in the Gulf War. Just some SJW America haters want to get rid of it, is no reason to.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  127. The Anti Trumper John Weaver is a REGISTERED RUSSIAN AGENT. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary is taking some Putin $$ – it would make sense given her undermining of America.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  128. Is anyone in the top levels of the Oregon government, actually born in Oregon?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  129. No he isnt, ocean, he was stupid he could get away with it like vin weber (no consequences) or michael chertoff. Well maybe not that stupid.

    Russians havent been burning down police stations tearing dowm statues shooting cops thats the clear and present danger

    Narciso (7404b5)

  130. Heck were not sure they are from this planet arquillian maybe.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  131. Trump is a Boy Scout compared to The Big Dick. Skip rehashing Watergate and just red or listen to Dick dish dirt on everything from Jews, blacks and women o Vietnam, John Kerry the Dems and the Silent Majority.

    http://nixontapes.org

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  132. But if you dig down to the details of what they mean by “collective ownership”, you get this…

    1. Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerly incarcerated people) to lifetime education including: free access and open admissions to public community colleges and universities, technical education (technology, trade and agricultural), educational support programs, retroactive forgiveness of student loans, and support for lifetime learning programs.
    2. Reparations for the continued divestment from, discrimination toward and exploitation of our communities in the form of a guaranteed minimum livable income for all Black people, with clearly articulated corporate regulations.
    3. Reparations for the wealth extracted from our communities through environmental racism, slavery, food apartheid, housing discrimination and racialized capitalism in the form of corporate and government reparations focused on healing ongoing physical and mental trauma, and ensuring our access and control of food sources, housing and land.
    4. Reparations for the cultural and educational exploitation, erasure, and extraction of our communities in the form of mandated public school curriculums that critically examine the political, economic, and social impacts of colonialism and
    slavery, and funding to support, build, preserve, and restore cultural assets and sacred sites to ensure the recognition and honoring of our collective struggles and triumphs.
    5. Legislation at the federal and state level that requires the United States to acknowledge the lasting impacts of slavery, establish and execute a plan to address those impacts. This includes the immediate passage of H.R.40, the “Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act” or subsequent versions which call for reparations remedies.

    In other words, they want to take nice long suckle from the government teat, in the form of a fat reparations check, and trick-or-treat for a big goodie bag of progressive liberal booty. Its liberalism–and a pretty strong strain of liberalism it is–not Marxism.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  133. As usual, Gryph read “something somewhere” without providing evidence or a link.
    Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:50 am

    Where’s your link? I don’t accept your comment because you left out a link. Unless what you are saying is that you get to make a statement without providing a link because “you read something” but some one else must?/sargasm [not sarcasm]

    You rely too much on some perceived status of authority, supposedly bestowed, in the use of links. Try imagining that the readers on this site do, in fact, read elsewhere and, as functioning humans, can rely on others possessing a common knowledge base upon which touchstones can exist, references be made, and understanding shared.

    Don’t expect it incumbent of others to educate you in details that escape you. It is on for you not to know some things, but complaining about it only draws attention to one’s own deficiencies, not others.

    TL;DR

    Gryph made a reference in his comment, just like you made a reference in your comment. If you don’t get his reference, that is hardly his fault. Complaining “I don’t understand his reference, his dare he expect me to understand him without spoon-feeding me a link” Is counter productive.

    Pro-tip: Issuing a challenge by asking for a link runs the risk of exposing one’s lack of understanding of a subtle point being made.

    felipe (023cc9)

  134. Big bad nixon, tell me another story now wage and price controls liplock with mao im not game on, but thats what they loved him for.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  135. It is ok for you not to know some things,

    On should be ok.

    felipe (023cc9)

  136. 143. Thank you, Felipe. 🙂

    Gryph (08c844)

  137. Only links that provoke agita paranoia helplessness

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1284532076000292867

    You know we would never have had a panama canal with this attitude

    Narciso (7404b5)

  138. They would have banned quinine, as they later did with ddt.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  139. Man, I hate auto-incorrect.

    “I don’t understand his reference, his how dare he expect me to understand him without spoon-feeding me a link” Is counter productive.

    My proof-reading sucks today.

    felipe (023cc9)

  140. Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:00 pm
    YW.

    felipe (023cc9)

  141. Daniel Dale
    @ddale8
    ·
    Trump says Biden wants to defund the police, pointing to his “charter” with Sanders.

    Chris Wallace points out the Sanders-Biden task force doesn’t mention defunding police.

    Trump, lying: “Oh, really? It says abolish, it says…” To aide: “Let’s go. Get me the charter, please.”
    __ _

    Tom Layman
    @TomLayman
    ·
    Joe Biden was asked if funds should be redirected from police departments. He answered “yes, absolutely”. How is this not defunding?
    __ _

    Jennifer Epstein [Biden Campaign PR]
    @jeneps

    Even if the Biden-Sanders task force did say they would defund police, its conclusions are recommendations for the Democratic platform committee and in no way binding for Biden to adopt.
    __ _

    Andre Leadon
    @AndreLeadon
    ·
    We should redirect some of Jennifer’s paycheck and see if she calls it defunding.
    __ _

    Lester Dent
    @LesterDent
    ·
    The only thing binding on Biden are his Depends when they forget to change them.

    _

    harkin (470cbb)

  142. Trump is a Boy Scout……

    Given the current reputation of the Boy Scouts that’s probably not a good thing.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  143. Narciso (7404b5) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:56 am

    Yep, but to be honest, sometimes I am also guilty.

    felipe (023cc9)

  144. You prefer the young pioneers

    Narciso (7404b5)

  145. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5bzrb-v9

    I never was much of a fan for Queen. I was always a Black Sabbath, KISS, AC/DC kind of guy, with a heavy dose of Rush and Lynyrd Skynyrd. I was raised on Elvis Presley by my mother, and Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson by my father, but I took my own path when I was a teenager. I followed the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, along with several other alternative bands such as Nazareth and Fog Hat.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0McO4sY8pA

    Stone Blue
    Rock and roll helped me through
    When I was blue

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  146. He’s a Brownie, if anything, and particularly dim-witted one at that.

    Dave (1bb933)

  147. Its hard not to, it saturates the air like spice.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  148. Bohemian rhapsody is worth a thread on its own, i dismissed it because of waynes word but its not a light song

    Narciso (7404b5)

  149. @143-
    If I assert something as “fact” (as Gryph has at #35 and 50) without providing any backup, just pulling it out of his……whatever. I post stories that interest me. If someone disagrees with any post, they are free to argue the point, but if they assert a fact without providing any backup, it’s just something coming out of somewhere.

    Trust but verify.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  150. It really is a masterpiece. If night at the opera is Carmina Burana, then Bohemian Rhapsody could be O fortuna. Not as prelude, but in endurance and recognition.

    felipe (023cc9)

  151. Well, this about says it all:

    https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-pain-getting-worse-cd329f4c-9962-4f40-b401-7a7ac1a393cf.html

    And rock an roll won’t save us from that.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  152. 159. What I asserted was a possibility of something that plausibly could be happening or could happen in the future. Now ask yourself, given that one Legionellosis patient was misdiagnosed as having CoViD-19, what are the odds that she was the only one?

    CoViD cowardice is fueled by “facts,” such as they are, entirely lacking in context. If fear is sufficient reason to shut everything down as it appears to be, perhaps the same kind of speculation driving policy ought to be a reason to put the brakes on our economic immolation.

    Gryph (08c844)

  153. It is, its recited without attention to its depth,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  154. 161)Thats what we get for our tax dollars

    Narciso (7404b5)

  155. Trust but verify.
    Rip Murdock (b30750) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:18 pm

    In no way are you to be faulted, by anyone, for that. “Question authority” is also good, but the meaning changes radically with understanding.

    felipe (023cc9)

  156. Gryph, don’t let “fork fear” deter you from putting forks in electrical outlets. Those fascists just want to deny you your right to stick forks in things because they want to control you. Be brave man. Stick that fork anywhere you like.

    Time123 (6dd7bf)

  157. 166. Gee Time, there are so many logical fallacies in that so-called “argument,” it’s going to take me a few minutes to decide where to start picking it apart. SMDH

    Gryph (08c844)

  158. Time123 (6dd7bf) — 7/18/2020 @ 12:30 pm
    LOL. yeah, “just fork it!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  159. Two positive stories. I have not read the 169 comments before this (wow) so my apologies if these were already covered above.

    For this one, ignore the stupidity of the online tomato-throwers and focus on the uplifting story itself:

    And this one deserves every second of your time you devote to it. Watch every video. Listen to every clip. Read every tweet. I promise you that it will brighten your day, or your money back.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  160. Don’t give in to the fork fear gryph. If god didn’t want you to exercise your natural rights to put forks in outlets he wouldn’t have make the tongs fit so well.

    Time123 (6dd7bf)

  161. Indeed, people dont understand talent or appreciation for ability.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  162. Time is just having a little fun, maybe attempting to cheer you a bit. Joking is evidence that you have friends here. Am I wrong, Time?

    felipe (023cc9)

  163. 173. Well, at the risk of perhaps reading too much into what Time is saying, I’ve sniffed out what stinks like appeal to authority, ad hominem, and false starting premise. If it is all a joke, my apologies for being too sensitive. These are trying times.

    Gryph (08c844)

  164. A Second Coronavirus Death Surge Is Coming
    …….
    ……. [P]eople are dying at higher rates where there are lots of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations: in Florida, Arizona, Texas, and California, as well as a host of smaller southern states that all rushed to open up.

    The deaths are also not happening in an unpredictable amount of time after the new outbreaks emerged. Simply look at the curves yourself. Cases began to rise on June 16; a week later, hospitalizations began to rise. Two weeks after that—21 days after cases rose—states began to report more deaths. That’s the exact number of days that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated from the onset of symptoms to the reporting of a death.

    ……. [G]iven the policy choices that state and federal officials have made, the virus has done exactly what public-health experts expected. When states reopened in late April and May with plenty of infected people within their borders, cases began to grow. COVID-19 is highly transmissible, makes a large subset of people who catch it seriously ill, and kills many more people than the flu or any other infectious disease circulating in the country.
    …….
    There was always a logical, simple explanation for why cases and hospitalizations rose through the end of June while deaths did not: It takes a while for people to die of COVID-19 and for those deaths to be reported to authorities.
    ……
    By the absolute or per capita numbers, the U.S. stands out as nearly the only country besides Iran that had a large spring outbreak, began to suppress the virus, and then simply let the virus come back.
    ………
    ……Nationwide, the U.S. deaths per million tally—a hair under 400—is in the top ten globally. But look just at the Northeast’s 56 million people, and the death rate is more than double the national average: 1,100 deaths per million.

    By contrast, the South and West……..are much more populous than the Northeast. If those areas continue to see cases grow, they could see as many deaths per million as the Northeast did but multiplied by a larger number of people. At 1,100 deaths per million, the South and West would see 180,000 more deaths. Even at half the Northeast’s number, that’s another 69,000 Americans.
    …..
    The lack of containment by American authorities has resulted in not only lost lives, but also lost businesses, savings accounts, school years, dreams, public trust, friendships. The country cannot get back to normal with a highly transmissible, deadly virus spreading in our communities. There will be no way to just “live with it.” …….

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  165. 175. Unless that “Coronavirus” surge turns out to be a Legionellosis surge and we kill people even faster and even more needlessly by putting legionellosis patients on ventilators. SMDH

    Gryph (08c844)

  166. Gryph, it’s a joke. Your position on this is strident and I was trying to tease you about that. I wasn’t planing to beat the joke into the ground. If it was rude or hurtful let me know and I’ll apologize sincerely. I don’t think it was….but teasing is an iffy thing….how the rest of your weekend is good.

    Time123 (6dd7bf)

  167. 177. If anyone is owed an apology here, I apologize for being so prickly. It’s all good, Time.

    Gryph (08c844)

  168. Don’t give in to the fork fear gryph. If god didn’t want you to exercise your natural rights to put forks in outlets he wouldn’t have make the tongs fit so well.

    I think we have to call Gryph’s refusal to stand up for his god-given fork rights what it is: cowardice.

    Dave (1bb933)

  169. 170: Fun fact: Morgan is an Irish name. 🙂

    Gryph (08c844)

  170. 179. Jeebus, Dave. Not you too!

    Gryph (08c844)

  171. anti-ghoul break: AC/DC ? One of their best songs… https://youtu.be/QFyGuuJJfKU

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  172. The Guy Benson video was awesome. We definitely need to see that stuff these days.

    Dustin (064e00)

  173. @177-
    Gryph has no sense of humor.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  174. 184. All right. Knock it off, Rip. I apologized to Time for being oversensitive and prickly. My capacity for self-flagellation has its limits.

    Gryph (08c844)

  175. In Trump’s telling, Biden suddenly goes from ‘Sleepy Joe’ to a destroyer of the ‘American way of life’

    President Donald Trump has launched a slash-and-burn campaign against an exaggerated caricature of his Democratic opponent, casting former vice president Joe Biden as a destroyer of basic freedoms and a threat to voter’s safety who would “let terrorists roam free” and “abolish the American way of life.”

    His new dystopian vision, with militant and extreme language not typical in American politics, marks a sharp departure from Trump’s previous effort to cast Biden as “Sleepy Joe,” an establishment politician with deteriorating mental abilities. It marks the latest effort, orchestrated by the Trump’s advisers, to shift the conversation from rising coronavirus infections and deteriorating public support for the president’s pandemic response.

    And the cultists are eating it up!

    Dave (1bb933)

  176. Recognize the bass player? https://youtu.be/K5coIFds0_I

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  177. Hmm…active cases in my home state down. That’s a good thing.

    Gryph (08c844)

  178. another burning cathedral, this time in nantes, huguenot vandals,

    narciso (7404b5)

  179. And then there’s… https://youtu.be/9Bku7gXlkoo

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  180. 190. That’s some pretty good stuff, Haiku. Are you old enough to remember the Average White Band? Bunch of funky dudes from Scotland.

    Gryph (08c844)

  181. Tears running down my face, Dana. Wow. As heroic as it gets. Wow.

    mg (8cbc69)

  182. 186… Joe Biden is the point man for the Left’s revolution… empty vessel, easily controlled (as Angie Davis said), he will provide oversight as they usher in their version of socialism.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  183. 191… yes, I remember AWB. Now I have to get back to eradicating the earwig “Mr. Dobalina” from my musical memory bank…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  184. Here’s the good stuff… https://youtu.be/j0KEVFlhBC8

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  185. well it’s not as bad as abba, that merits vienna convention sanctions,

    narciso (7404b5)

  186. ‘…not typical in American politics…’

    Actually, quite typical; listen to the Nixon tapes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  187. My capacity for self-flagellation has its limits.

    No doubt. But I read somewhere that the so-called “experts” have deceived us into believing our capacity for self-flagellation is a lot lower than it really is.

    I also believe most discomfort people attribute to self-flagellation is actually caused by bedbugs. The obvious danger there is that while we obsess over a little some mostly benign self-flagellation, the bedbugs gorging on our flesh are planning their next move.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  188. The bedbugs attacked just as I was about to delete “a little.”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  189. Down Payment Blues is awesome, but this one is my favorite PowerAge tune.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  190. Oops, the link. It should be an NRA favorite.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  191. this is the thing about music, if you work at it, like rhapsody does it shows, sting’s lyrics were initially bearable,

    narciso (7404b5)

  192. 198. Do you even know what self-flagellation is, Lurker? Or is this another joke at my expense? O_o

    Gryph (08c844)

  193. what paul bettany did in the davinci code, btw, silva has gone halfway in doubting the authenticity of the gospels, even farther then steven berry did last year,

    narciso (7404b5)

  194. I’ve never self-flagellated personally, but I’ve read some very confident self-proclaimed experts on the subject.

    (Yes, it’s more joking at your expense.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  195. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T70VzZt0tiU
    more balls than most
    god bless you

    mg (8cbc69)

  196. I think we are going to have a sorting out of governor’s powers in the various states soon. Emergency powers are one thing, but there is a legislature. It can meet and make new laws if needed.

    At some point, these aren’t emergency decrees, they are just decrees. Why can’t the legislature set new rules if new rules are needed?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  197. I think if the capital building was under attack, as with the courthouse or the police station they’d react,

    narciso (7404b5)

  198. A bioweapon would have to kill a far higher percentage of people that get it than CoViD does.

    No it does not. Incapacitating is as good as killing. In some ways better as you tie up resources treating and healing.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  199. As a big brother, Bridger’s words made me cry. I know that feeling.

    Another James (8c4578)

  200. Ms. Bullock gives a whole new meaning to Black Irish. Kudos to her.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  201. well she has a lot of spirit, I don’t understand ‘cultural appropriation’ and all this pomo idiocy, it’s like with the best writers, go outside their own sphere of confort,

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/17/cdc-employee-political-contributions-democratic-pacs/

    narciso (7404b5)

  202. Trump administration pushing to block new money for testing, tracing, and CDC in upcoming coronavirus relief bill
    The Trump administration is trying to block billions of dollars for states to conduct testing and contact tracing in the upcoming coronavirus relief bill, people involved in the talks said Saturday.

    The administration is also trying to block billions of dollars that GOP senators want to allocate for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and billions more for the Pentagon and State Department to address the pandemic at home and abroad, the people said.
    ……..
    ……..[T]he conflict between Trump administration officials and Senate Republicans on money for testing and other priorities is creating a major complication even before bipartisan negotiations get under way. Some lawmakers are trying to reach a deal quickly, as enhanced unemployment benefits for millions of Americans are set to expire in less than two weeks.
    ……..
    …….. Senate Republicans were seeking to allocate $25 billion for states to conduct testing and contact tracing, but that certain administration officials want to zero out the testing and tracing money entirely. Some White House officials believe they have already approved billions of dollars in assistance for testing and that some of that money remains unspent.
    ……..
    President Trump has repeatedly questioned the value of conducting widespread coronavirus testing, arguing that if there were fewer tests conducted, the number of infections would be lower. Coronavirus infections and deaths are on the rise in many states.

    The administration is also seeking to zero out $10 billion in new funding for the CDC in the upcoming bill…….
    ………

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  203. @214 If Trump was a better president, he probably could have gained more respect and a much smaller percentage of the executive branch would be contributing money to his opponents.

    Nic (896fdf)

  204. Portlandia: EFF them in their radical feminist bookstore owning, virtue signaling, fair trade/non-bruised coffee bean, dog buggering bundtcake holes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. Federal Officers Deployed in Portland Didn’t Have Proper Training, D.H.S. Memo Said
    The heavily armed federal agents facing a growing backlash for their militarized approach to weeks of unrest in Portland were not specifically trained in riot control or mass demonstrations, an internal Department of Homeland Security memo warned this week.
    …….
    The memo, seemingly anticipating future encounters with protesters in other cities as the department follows President Trump’s guidance to crack down on unrest, warns: “Moving forward, if this type of response is going to be the norm, specialized training and standardized equipment should be deployed to responding agencies.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  206. 216… and he’d carry 45 states instead of 41, to win reelection…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  207. 218… they need “specialized training” to kick ass and take names?

    I don’t think so…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  208. @217 You understand that people choosing to buy fair-trade anything is exactly the free market at work, right? They gathered their information on what went into the product and made a choice on what to buy based on that information.

    @219 Spent much time staring at goats?

    Nic (896fdf)

  209. Now back to our intrepid reporter… https://youtu.be/iOMlU8nWUiA

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  210. the proof of the pudding was all these agencies chasing these non existent russians, while a real life terrorist, was planning the death of fifty americans, of course his pop was a bureau informant, if you think they got anything out of that ask rifa bary, from the 00s,

    narciso (7404b5)

  211. 219.

    Trump may very well win the election, but I’ll bet any amount you want, payable to the winner’s designated charity, that he doesn’t win 41 states.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  212. That’s the ticket. Trump’s little camoflaged men in Portland weren’t trained for their illegal activities.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  213. 221… LOL

    staring at goats… hmmm… haven’t had occasion to stare at any goats…

    As for you, please practice safe sex in your interaction with the Bovids…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  214. remember the treasury union,

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/noxious-diversity-training-in-federal-government-flourishes-under-trump.php

    we have strzok and page’s voluminous bafflegrab, to tell you how they behave at the top ends of the socalled intelligence community,

    narciso (7404b5)

  215. Omg, the Guy Benson video linked to at 170 is really wonderful. I couldn’t believe it!

    Dana (25e0dc)

  216. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2020 @ 3:12 pm

    Heh! Just the other day I had one, of several, electrician inspect a wall in order to provide an estimate for some work I wanted done. He mentioned that the job “requires specialized equipment.” I burst out laughing and thanked him for his time.

    felipe (023cc9)

  217. @226 Person at 226 does not have any kind of answer, doesn’t get the movie reference, cannot be civil, is not aware that Devin Nunes is the designated Bovid copulator in California.

    Please direct any suggestions of safe Bovid sex to Devin Nunes.

    Nic (896fdf)

  218. No thats what schiff has been doing for 3 /2 years.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  219. RichieMovie cameraMcGPopcorn
    @RichieMcGinniss

    St. John’s Church has been vandalized with spray paint reading BHAZ (Black House Autonomous Zone)
    __ _

    Greg Price
    @greg_price11
    ·
    This is the church where President Lincoln prayed every night for victory over the Confederacy

    _

    harkin (5af287)

  220. The third time, yes tell us how they revere justice again.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  221. Good for Riverdance. Most of us know that ‘cultural appropriation’ is just another term for ‘doing something’.
    _

    Speaking of culture…….

    𝐴𝑙 𝐻𝑎𝑙𝑙
    @Aardbloke
    ·
    Another French Cathederal bursts spontaneously into flames after 1000 years of safely standing there. There’s been lots of fires in French churches over the past year.

    Wonder why?
    _ _

    Cambridge writer Flag of Wales
    @ExileinEngland
    ·
    Map of churches in France vandalised, attacked or destroyed over the past 4 years

    https://twitter.com/ExileinEngland/status/1284412255837224960?s=20
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  222. Re:,”waiting for it to disappear on it’s own I guess”: I have actually went on CDCs website and read all the papers they use to support their position. But like any bureaucratic organization the tend not to post any papers that would tend to falsify that position. You have to read other scientific journals and actually understand some of the science involved before coming to any definitive conclusions. The science around viruses and infectious diseases is extremely complex. You are dealing with the complexities of immune system response, adaptive mutations, the biology of viruses, adaptive noisy human networks and system components that are not directly observable but can only be inferred. Appeals to bureaucratic authority on complex subjects like this from people who have little knowledge of the science involved can be extremely tiresome. Politicians and bureaucrats are very bad at these kinds of problems because they wish to appear to be doing something, even if the something that is being done is minimally effective.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  223. “Speaking of culture…….”

    What’s your explanation?

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  224. I love the Irish dancer video. I don’t care what color anyone is; if people love the culture and and partake of it, then hats off to them. Plus, anyone Irish dancing has my vote. And bonus points to the narrator/interviewer with the dreamy Irish lilt!

    Dana (25e0dc)

  225. 51 years ago today, Ted Kennedy should’ve driven a Volkswagen.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  226. A Kennedy in a Volkswagen? Have you no shame, man?

    norcal (a5428a)

  227. 229… way to go, felipe! The electrician tried to run his game on a man that knew better… with no success. Just imagine the guy’s dealings with the ladies and contemporary liberal males. l always preferred to think that there weren’t that many unscrupulous tradesmen trying to take advantage of the unknowledgeable, but I think I’ve been wrong about that.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  228. The Trump campaign is the grift that keeps on grifting
    There has long been an element of grift to political campaigns.
    ……..
    But there has never been anything quite like the racket that President Trump appears to have going.

    In two days alone during March, the president’s reelection effort forked over roughly $380,000 of its contributors’ money to his hotels for “facility rental/catering services.”

    …..[T]his paid for a “donor retreat” to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla…….

    The campaign has also been paying more than $37,000 a month in rent to Trump Tower in New York, which is odd, considering that the campaign’s headquarters is in an office building in Rosslyn.

    The Center for Responsive Politics has been keeping track of all of this on its OpenSecrets website. During this election cycle, the center reports, the president’s campaign and its related committees have steered $2.6 million of their donors’ money to Trump’s family-owned properties and businesses. The Republican Party has spent nearly $1 million as well, and GOP candidates, elected officials and their political action committees have spent another $391,000.
    …….
    ……. Trump’s donors, big and small, apparently are so dazzled by the aura of celebrity he has created around himself that they don’t care how much of their own money goes directly into his businesses. It’s all part of the experience.
    ……
    …… There has never been a situation anything like the one that Trump created when he insisted on continuing to profit from his family business while serving as president.
    …….
    Trump isn’t running for re-election to serve a second term as the nation’s leader. He’s running to keep on cashing in.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  229. Due process of law? What due process of law?

    Isaiah and Elizabeth Linscott, and their daughter, have been forced into ankle monitors because they would not sign a legal restriction of movement document without any opportunity to have an attorney review it. They should cut off the ankle monitors and tell the state, “F(ornicate) you!”

    After refusing to sign the Self-isolation and Controlled Movement Agreed Order, the Hardin County Sheriff’s Department showed up with several people, and forced the Linscott family into ankle monitors, which will alert the sheriff if they travel more than 200 feet from their residence. The family has said that they will get an attorney to fight this, but, as with everything else, legal action takes time, and the two-weeks they will be stuck in those ankle monitors will have elapsed before their attorney — which they did not yet have as of publication of the WKYT article — can get them released from them. Due process of law? What due process of law!?

    The Linscotts said that the Sheriff’s Department arrived without notice, which means that they had no notice that such an order would be filed against them, and that means they had no day in court, no legal representation to defend their rights. The Sheriff was there because the state wanted Mrs Linscott to sign legal documents without having the opportunity to have them reviewed by an attorney.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  230. Mr. Feliciano had serious talent.
    This one made me laugh this AM. If birds had arms…

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  231. Who forced them to go live in Kentucky?

    nk (1d9030)

  232. Yes but he was more self aware,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  233. “Saddened to hear the news of civil rights hero John Lewis passing,’’ President Trump wrote on Twitter Saturday afternoon. “Melania and I send our prayers to he [sic] and his family.”

    He Him has the best words.

    Dave (1bb933)

  234. Mr Murdock wrote:

    Trump isn’t running for re-election to serve a second term as the nation’s leader. He’s running to keep on cashing in.

    Really? He’s a freaking billionaire, and he’s almost 74 years old; he can’t ever spend what he has now.

    And, allegedly, his net worth has decreased while in office, though who really knows?

    2016 was full of stories about how Donald Trump didn’t really want to be President, even a few from disgruntled Republicans saying that he was only in it to throw the race to Hillary Clinton, who he really wanted to win. I guess it turned out that he really did want to win. 🙂

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  235. 243. So?/

    Gryph (08c844)

  236. Heh! https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/18/chicago-protest-columbus-statue-18-police-wounded-12-arrested/5464162002/

    Photos and videos of the incident shared to social media showed protesters bleeding from the mouth. At least one protester – 18-year-old Miracle Boyd with GoodKids MadCity, an anti-gun violence group – had her teeth knocked out when an officer punched her, according to video of the assault shared by the organization.

    Read the whole thing.

    nk (1d9030)

  237. nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:09 pm

    Fantastic, nk! Not the first time I’ve heard that, of course, but it never gets old. In my family both when I was a child and now, we actively appropriate(d) appreciate(d) numerous cultures! I learned the exclamation “Opa!” from my mother as a toddler, as well as the Cajun “eh=yi!” My poor father was always shocked at how she turned into a [fill in the blank] while listening to “their” music.

    felipe (023cc9)

  238. Some guy in Illinois asked:

    Who forced them to go live in Kentucky?

    A guy named Isaiah? He was prob’ly born here.

    Of course, the Bluegrass State being a state of conservative Republicans and (mostly) moderate Democrats, the Linscotts probably figured that that kind of thing wouldn’t happen here. Guess that they were wrong.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  239. Who forced them to go live in Kentucky?
    nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2020 @ 5:34 pm

    Forced by their parents, and through no fault of their own! Amnesty now!

    felipe (023cc9)

  240. I didn’t realize you were such a big fan of police violence, nk.

    Or Italians.

    🙂

    Dave (1bb933)

  241. Well theres the grifter father and son, that ran against the turtle six years, then theres ashley judd; i know the alternative is the turtle.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  242. By far, best post-Exile Stones song, but just one Stone involved…

    https://youtu.be/mqyq6_lNu3o

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  243. @248-
    Given that Trump believes size is everything, I think the reason he is fighting tooth and nail over his tax returns is that his “billionaire” status is fiction (as you know he has sued reporters who dispute that status). And if he is so rich, why is he engaged is such self-dealing? This of course is not the only self-dealing, placing unqualified family members into positions of power is another example.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  244. Yeah, Trump’s businesses are operating on debt, foreign bank loans at that, not capital.

    nk (1d9030)

  245. Like your pals burke and madigan thats an gonest living they own durbin all the way to tony cadaver

    Narciso (7404b5)

  246. Heh, otra vez! https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-replaces-mary-trump-with-kayleigh-mcenany-as-niece

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In the latest shakeup in his inner circle, Donald Trump has named the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, to the position of niece, replacing Mary Trump, effective immediately.

    With only three and a half months to go until the election, replacing family members could be seen as a sign of desperation, political insiders said.

    But, according to a White House source, the decision to replace Mary Trump with McEnany was a “no-brainer.”

    nk (1d9030)

  247. Turtle is being challenged by the Its Pat! Version of Captain Marvel this time around.

    urbanleftbehind (3b7c5c)

  248. ‘Not a problem, barely an inconvenience’

    Narciso (7404b5)

  249. 257. I said that back in 2015 when he started running.

    Trump’s trigger-happy lawsuit tendancies make it pretty obvious that he fears something that he believes, rightly or wrongly, will damage his reputation. It looks to me like the very living definition of SLAPP but even if it’s not, there’s no way he doesn’t have something to hide.

    Gryph (08c844)

  250. Kathleen kennedy deserves to thrown in a sarlaac pit

    https://youtu.be/vMxVTrYEyxs

    Narciso (7404b5)

  251. Yes hes been sued alot and lost, however who was never touched by the law before he evaporated all their savings who was the golden ogre weinstein, unaccountable for 20 years epstein for even longer who do they focus with a laser beam on…

    Narciso (7404b5)

  252. An Oregon Criminal Prosecution of Federal Officers Could Be Removed to Federal Court
    The Oregon Attorney General has opened a criminal investigation into the conduct of various federal officers in Portland. If this investigation actually proceeds to some sort of criminal court proceeding, then the officers would be able to remove the case to federal court. 28 U.S.C. § 1442(a) provides:

    (a)A civil action or criminal prosecution that is commenced in a State court and that is against or directed to any of the following may be removed by them to the district court of the United States for the district and division embracing the place wherein it is pending:

    (1) The United States or any agency thereof or any officer (or any person acting under that officer) of the United States or of any agency thereof, in an official or individual capacity, for or relating to any act under color of such office or on account of any right, title or authority claimed under any Act of Congress for the apprehension or punishment of criminals or the collection of the revenue…
    ……
    (c ) Solely for purposes of determining the propriety of removal under subsection (a), a law enforcement officer, who is the defendant in a criminal prosecution, shall be deemed to have been acting under the color of his office if the officer—

    (1) protected an individual in the presence of the officer from a crime of violence;

    (2) provided immediate assistance to an individual who suffered, or who was threatened with, bodily harm; or

    (3) prevented the escape of any individual who the officer reasonably believed to have committed, or was about to commit, in the presence of the officer, a crime of violence that resulted in, or was likely to result in, death or serious bodily injury.

    ……
    One unique wrinkle of Section 1442: A remand order can be appealed. 28 U.S.C. 1447(d) provides:
    ……..
    In the event a district court remands a prosecution to state court, the United States could then appeal to the Ninth Circuit. Supreme Court review would be present in any event.

    Assuming a motion to remand is denied, state prosecutors would actually be prosecuting a federal officer in federal court, based on state law.

    Finally, for those keeping score at home, these crimes would not be “Offences against the United States,” and would not be subject to a presidential pardon.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  253. Treason:

    Trump administration pushing to block new money for testing, tracing, and CDC in upcoming coronavirus relief bill

    The Trump administration is trying to block billions of dollars for states to conduct testing and contact tracing in the upcoming coronavirus relief bill, people involved in the talks said Saturday.

    The administration is also trying to block billions of dollars that GOP senators want to allocate for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and billions more for the Pentagon and State Department to address the pandemic at home and abroad, the people said.

    Dave (1bb933)

  254. Love the Irish dance video, especially from a young southern African American. And she’s right, there is a profound difference between appreciation and appropriation.

    Anyway, speaking of music, did you know that all the members of Black Sabbath were Catholics?

    Yep, in fact the main lyricist, Terrence “Geezer” Butler, was studying in the seminary to become a priest, before he became a musician.

    Everyone calls it heavy metal. It’s really heavy jazz with distortion. Tony Iommi studied classical guitar, a la Segovia, but he accidentally cut off the tops of his fingers on his last day of work at a steel mill. That’s why he wears plastic caps over his fingers, a clever invention actually.

    Originally named Earth, they changed their name to Black Sabbath, because their music is apocalyptic rock. Their most famous song, “Iron Man,” is about the Second Coming.

    Largely misunderstood, they are one of the greatest bands.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZcaf9GfyWs&list=RDlJJW0dE5GF0&index=2

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  255. Wasnt ozborne with them,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  256. Top nine brick-and-mortar retailers now require coronavirus masks in U.S. stores
    The nine largest brick-and-mortar retail companies, which the National Retail Federation ranks based on global sales, have adopted new policies to require customers to wear masks inside U.S. stores.

    Costco began enforcing masks on May 4, but two months passed before other top retailers followed suit. Walmart, Inc. seemed to have triggered a corporate landslide this week with its announcement on Wednesday that masks would be required in its namesake stores and Sam’s Club locations.

    Seven more of the largest brick-and-mortar retailers in the U.S. announced similar policies within two days: Kroger, CVS Health, Walgreens, Target, Albertsons Companies (which owns Safeway, Tom Thumb, and Acme, among other brands). Lowe’s and Home Depot both announced mask requirements Friday.
    …….
    More places off Gryph’s list of businesses to visit.

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  257. If I were a Democrat strategist, back in 2015, looking at a surely lost election and the GOP reaching even greater majorities year after year, I’d thing “What can we do to ratfukk them entirely? Can I think of someone so monumentally terrible that they would, single-handedly set the GOP back for years?” And then along comes Donald Trump from central casting as the hard left’s stereotype Republican.

    Those judges better be rally good, because the 2020’s are going to really suck politically.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  258. Shorter: The only thing that Trump has done in 4 years is to destroy the GOP brand.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  259. 270. There’s nothing I can get at those brick-and-mortar retailers that I can’t get at locally owned businesses, Rip.

    Not to mention the fact that I’m fortunate enough to be married to a woman who doesn’t give a sh!t about wearing a mask in public. She knows how I feel about it but if there’s something she wants badly enough, I really don’t care where she goes to get it.

    Gryph (08c844)

  260. Good for you gryph,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  261. They want to extinguish the bill of rights disarm us and leave us in the dark, its not an argument who to vote for. If you cant see that clearly after the last three months.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  262. She knows how I feel about it

    So you’ve told her she’s a coward?

    Dave (1bb933)

  263. https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/poll-less-than-30-percent-of-americans-say-redskins-should-change-their-name/

    No surprise. It wasn’t about popular opinion, just leftist opinion. The rest of the country doesn’t matter. That’s real privilege.

    NJRob (a856f9)

  264. Red.skins is still in moderation?

    NJRob (a856f9)

  265. Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds

    A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.
    …….
    The new study “is very carefully done, it’s systematic and looks at a very large population,” (Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute) said. “It’s one of the best studies we’ve had to date on this issue.”
    …….
    Children under 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies. That may be because children generally exhale less air — and therefore less virus-laden air — or because they exhale that air closer to the ground, making it less likely that adults would breathe it in.

    ……… Other studies have also suggested that the large number of contacts for schoolchildren, who interact with dozens of others for a good part of the day, may cancel out their smaller risk of infecting others.
    ……..
    The study is more worrisome for children in middle and high school. This group was even more likely to infect others than adults were, the study found. But some experts said that finding may be a fluke or may stem from the children’s behaviors.

    These older children are frequently as big as adults, and yet may have some of the same unhygienic habits as young children do. They may also have been more likely than the younger children to socialize with their peers…….
    ……..
    …….[S]chools will need to prepare for infections to pop up. Apart from implementing physical distancing, hand hygiene and masks, schools should also decide when and how to test students and staff — including, for example, bus drivers — when and how long to require people to quarantine, and when to decide to close and reopen schools.

    But they face a monumental challenge because the evidence on transmission within schools has been far from conclusive so far, experts said. Some countries like Denmark and Finland have successfully reopened schools, but others, like China, Israel and South Korea, have had to close them down again.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (b30750)

  266. 276. Not in so many words. But she knows my mother-in-law and I are on each other’s sh!t lists. I told her I’d go back to visit her mom when I don’t have to stand and yell at her from outside the back door.

    Gryph (08c844)

  267. So you’ve told her she’s a coward?
    Dave (1bb933) — 7/18/2020 @ 7:58 pm

    Knock it off, Dave! That was a despicable thing to say. Patterico, I rarely ask for your intervention, but perhaps you might provide some guidance to Dave? I feel this is line crossed.

    felipe (023cc9)

  268. Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:24 pm

    If Dave’s remark was not offensive to you, Gryph, then I withdraw my request to Patterico. I’ll butt out, now.

    felipe (023cc9)

  269. Really? He’s a freaking billionaire, and he’s almost 74 years old; he can’t ever spend what he has now.

    Then why was he trying to work a real estate deal for Trump Tower Moscow with his buddy Vlad while he was running for president? The man provably put his personal greed above his country.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  270. Dave, I agree with Felipe that family’s off limits. I sometimes get prickly myself and I think very little of Gryph’s point of view, but jokes at family expense are never interpreted warmly. I am sure you were just intending good humor, but Gryph’s already isolated enough here.

    Frankly, it is a very good thing Gryph has a wife who accepts him for who he is. There’s nothing better than that. I say that as someone with a patient wife.

    Dustin (064e00)

  271. Top nine brick-and-mortar retailers now require coronavirus masks in U.S. stores

    They require them for entry, but some people are so fracking obstinate (not to say stupid) that they take them off immediately after entering.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  272. People who wear masks are not cowards, and people who don’t drive drunk aren’t either.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  273. The mask, in case someone has missed the memo, is not to protect the wearer so much as to make it much more difficult for them to infect others if they are in the asymptomatic incubation period. So, not wearing a mask is reckless endangerment and should be charged as such.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  274. Were told surfaces transnit the virus, church is verboten but head shops and abortion clinics are fine a drug thats been used for decades is suddenly toxic, arre told to ignore the guidance from 2006 and 2015, were told burning down half the country is noble were told a lot of things.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  275. We were told general flynn is a traitor when strzok and the whole lot should be in prison. A friend who came down with this virus is denied because of the fraud that surgisphere but forward so only the expensive treatment with the chinese patent is acceptable.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  276. Were told businesses must wither on the vine, but genghis (tedacted) cuomo, and his amigos up the coast can shovel old people into hermetically zealed slaughterhouses, that is not nearly right it is noble. Hippocrates would vomit the garbage we are fed.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  277. 282. 284. I’m perfectly aware that’s how he meant it. I choose not to take offense.

    Gryph (08c844)

  278. 286. I will not let that false comparison go unchallenged, however.

    Gryph (08c844)

  279. And this gamgrenous old man locked in abriom closet who doesnt what day of the week it is? Is the solution, did i mention his ethics advisor recommends exactly the treatment that has occurred in those states as a matter of policy.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  280. Every expression that makes us human we must sacrifice commerce faith just normal human contact but rage violence destruction let it flow it is righteous for how long and what price.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  281. These arent original thoughts lara logan who lived through the ebola epidemic noticed these connections. Overseas

    Narciso (7404b5)

  282. WSJ: The scientific evidence on masks is growing.

    Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control over the next four to eight weeks if “we could get everybody to wear a mask right now.” His comments, made Tuesday with the Journal of the American Medical Association, followed an editorial he and others wrote there emphasizing “ample evidence” of asymptomatic spread and highlighting new studies showing how masks help reduce transmission.
    The research Dr. Redfield cited included a newly published study suggesting that universal use of surgical masks helped reduce rates of confirmed Covid-19 infections among health-care workers at the Mass General Brigham health-care system in Massachusetts.

    As long as the non-maskwearers stay 6-plus feet away, there won’t be an issue, but their stances are increasingly untenable. The simple message is this: If you really want to restart this economy, strap on.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  283. narcisso,

    You do realize, don’t you, that the mitigation protocols you’re raging against aren’t merely the whims of the liberals in your head? Following Fauci’s advice, even to the extent of re-closing large segments of the economy if necessary to contain the spread, has 65-70% popular support, including most independents and about half of Republicans. It’s more bipartisan than just about any other issue controversial enough to make the nightly news.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  284. As regards John Lewis:

    “These efforts to desegregate facilities and businesses were rarely popular. Many white Americans resented the disruption to the status quo, even if on some level, they told themselves, they sympathized with the protesters. Activists such as Lewis and Vivian were a constant exasperation to American political leadership, who wished to placate them without radically altering the structure of American society. But for the leaders of the movement, that would not do.

    “As we participated in protest after protest, sit-in after sit-in, where crowds of uncontrollable angry people swarmed around us yelling and jeering, where we were beaten with billy clubs, lead pipes, trampled by horses, and attacked by dogs, our faith was not dampened, as many people today, looking back on the history, often wonder. It actually grew in power and strength,” Lewis wrote in 2012. “Public support for our work did not decrease because of mob violence and police brutality, it increased. It almost seemed the more the unjust resisted, the more impassioned the call for change.”

    This was only the beginning. Vivian and Lewis fought and bled for the cause at sit-ins, in the Freedom Rides of 1961, when police and the Ku Klux Klan worked hand in hand to brutalize protesters trying to desegregate public buses, through the March on Washington in 1963 and the Selma-to-Montgomery marches in 1965, where Lewis had his skull cracked open by Alabama state troopers. Without these men and their allies in the civil-rights movement, the maxim in the Declaration of Independence that all are created equal would be but words on paper written by slave masters. Absent their sacrifice, their bravery, and their brilliance, America would remain a herrenvolk republic, not a nation for all its citizens.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-john-lewis-founded-third-american-republic/614371/

    Victor (a225f9)

  285. 297. “It has popular support” is a pi$$-poor reason to do anything. Think of all the ways that you’ve been screwed over by politicians/bureaucrats that had popular support. I have to believe you’re more intelligent than to make an appeal to vox populi.

    Gryph (08c844)

  286. 296. Strap on? Do you mean face diaper, or a condom for the increasingly inevitable screwing we’re all in for if we follow the “experts'” advice?

    Gryph (08c844)

  287. https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3fovg4j

    Less than 30% of the population says the red.skins should change their name.

    No surprise. It wasn’t about popular opinion, just leftist opinion. The rest of the country doesn’t matter. That’s real privilege.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  288. They seem to have an innate acquaintance with the latter

    Narciso (7404b5)

  289. The book of kaepernick has spoken rob, to do otherwise is heresy.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  290. #299.

    I didn’t say popular support was a reason to do anything. I was responding to narciso’s rants about how evil liberals are cramming the mitigation measures down our throats.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  291. Do you mean face diaper, or a condom…

    Noted, that what comes out of your nose and mouth is different than the rest of us, and that this is more about your feelings than the science. But you do you, as long as you keep your distance.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  292. https://townhall.com/columnists/kaycolesjames/2020/07/18/its-about-more-than-toppling-statues-its-about-toppling-america-n2572709

    I’m going to get straight to the point. It’s time for bold action. It’s time for Americans everywhere who love their country to heed the words of President Ronald Reagan: “If we lose freedom here, there’s no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.”

    All around us, the forces of socialism, Marxism, and anarchy are waging a war against democracy and the moral legitimacy of the great American experiment. Radicals have hijacked peaceful protests and are using the current racial unrest as a tool to attack the very foundation of our nation.

    Violent mobs have defaced and torn down statues across the country in the name of “social justice,” yet they’ve gone beyond toppling the statues of slave owners and Confederates to toppling statues like that of former slave Frederick Douglass, one of the nation’s greatest abolitionists who dedicated his life to ending slavery and promoting justice for African Americans.

    Memorials to Founding Fathers George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, and even the statues of Union heroes like Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant — more than 150 statues and memorials nationwide — have been destroyed, defaced, or taken down during the last month and a half of protests.

    It has become clear that it matters little to the Marxists and anarchists what a statue or monument represents. All that matters to them is that it represents America’s past, and therefore, it must come down.

    Obvious.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  293. Anticipating the inevitable request for supporting links, I just did the ritual stroll through Google, and to my non-surprise there are too many surveys to list, so here’ the most recent one I could find (7-15-20). Among other things it confirms that 65% trust what Fauci tells them about the virus, 67% don’t trust what Trump tells them about it, 80% believe masks are effective in reducing the virus’ spread, and 71% believe everyone should be required to wear one in public.

    Sadly, Quinnipiac didn’t poll how many of the respondents prefer the term “face diaper.”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  294. 301.

    Less than 30% of the population says the red.skins should change their name.

    No surprise. It wasn’t about popular opinion, just leftist opinion. The rest of the country doesn’t matter. That’s real privilege.
    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:44 pm

    It was about neither popular opinion nor leftist opinion. It was the decision of a private business owner in response to pressure from his sponsors, e.g., Federal Express.

    Why do you hate capitalism?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  295. Was it nk who pointed out that the Washington football team is going to make a bazillion dollars selling new gear?

    This is not much of a crisis. As a kid who went to Oilers games to see Warren Moon, it just doesn’t seem to matter that much.

    Yes, the hypersensitive cancel culture seems to have some hate, so danger to our freedom of expression, but only if we give that to them. There seems to be a pretty consistent pushback, a critical reaction. I don’t think free speech has a better solution.

    Dustin (064e00)

  296. Colonel Haiku @256,

    The Stones are my very favorite band. I love me some Keith, but there are several post-Exile songs that beat that song. Beast of Burden. It’s Only Rock and Roll. Start Me Up. Miss You. Doom and Gloom. There may be others, but those are the ones that come to mind.

    I share a lot of your musical tastes (including Lindsay Buckingham, whom we discussed years ago), but this time I have to give you a little pushback. 🙂

    norcal (a5428a)

  297. Okay, Dustin. You’re starting to freak me out. First, we both had the same Andy Griffith idea a couple of days ago. Now, we both use the word “pushback” at the same time. Willies!

    norcal (a5428a)

  298. It was about neither popular opinion nor leftist opinion. It was the decision of a private business owner in response to pressure from his sponsors, e.g., Federal Express.

    Why do you hate capitalism?

    lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/18/2020 @ 10:17 pm

    You’re either ignorant of the issues at hand or lying. Take your pick.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  299. “The book of kaepernick has spoken rob, to do otherwise is heresy.”

    Kaepernick was the ultimate peaceful protest and you guys still get mad about it. Even now, years after the fact.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  300. “You’re either ignorant of the issues at hand or lying. Take your pick.”

    It’s pretty rude to accuse someone of lying, so maybe you can share the “issues at hand”.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  301. Dana,

    I’ve been meaning all day to point you to this recent companion story to Bridger from the other side of the world. Sadder (hopefully only temporary) outcome, but equally inspiring.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  302. NJRob,

    Assume I’m not ignorant of the issue. What’s the lie?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  303. Sure Dave,

    right as soon as you respond to these questions you must’ve missed on the other thread:

    ‘thulu, are Nick Cannon and DeSean Jackson wrong? Were they racist?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/16/2020 @ 1:19 pm

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  304. “Assume I’m not ignorant of the issue. What’s the lie?”

    He’s not gonna answer you unless I answer him, so let’s see how this goes.

    “‘thulu, are Nick Cannon and DeSean Jackson wrong? Were they racist?”

    Yeah, sure, they’re both. I’ll even show you something else:

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam

    Since its founding in 1930, the Nation of Islam (NOI) has grown into one of the wealthiest and best-known organizations in black America, offering numerous programs and events designed to uplift African Americans. Nonetheless, its bizarre theology of innate black superiority over whites – a belief system vehemently and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims – and the deeply racist, antisemitic and anti-gay rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of organized hate.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  305. Thank you.

    And lurker,

    There’s no capitalism at play when it’s leftist political pressure causing companies to do their boycotts as well as using the WaPo with their gossip attack on the Red.skins this past week. If capitalism was at play, they’d let the market decide. That’s clearly not happening as the market doesn’t oppose the name.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  306. Knock it off, Dave! That was a despicable thing to say. Patterico, I rarely ask for your intervention, but perhaps you might provide some guidance to Dave? I feel this is line crossed.

    Bless your heart.

    Dave (1bb933)

  307. Now I shall go to sleep. Good night.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  308. In politics like nature for every action their is a reaction! For 150 years the establishment has the major aim of keeping the left disarmed. The first major gun law was the sultan law in new york to disarm negros. Pro 2nd amendment ronald reagan signed the first major gun law in california when the black panthers began forming armed black militia to protect oakland’s black population. Bill ayres says the john brown gun club will protect the protestors in portland not anti-gun wimp liberal acting as stooges for the establishment trying to keep the ghetto disarmed. Having trump’s storm troopers grabbing peaceful protesters off the street and throwing them in un-marked vans to take to secret detention camps will be the end of anti gun establishment democrats telling the left we want you disarmed and helpless. The john brown gun club will be the first of many as the left arms its self.

    asset (9b76cb)

  309. Rob,

    Everything you said is factually erroneous and/or question begging. Dan Snyder made a business decision in response to pressure from his sponsors. That’s Capitalism 101. But even if we stipulated for the sake of argument that your answer was logically coherent and accurate, you still didn’t identify where I lied.

    Don’t answer now. Maybe you’ll see it better in the morning. Sleep well.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  310. “There’s no capitalism at play when it’s leftist political pressure causing companies to do their boycotts as well as using the WaPo with their gossip attack on the Red.skins this past week. If capitalism was at play, they’d let the market decide. That’s clearly not happening as the market doesn’t oppose the name.”

    This isn’t what happened.

    FedEx on Thursday became the first major corporate backer of the Washington Redskins to call on the team to change its name, the most significant development yet amid mounting financial and political pressure on team owner Daniel Snyder in the long-running controversy.

    In a one-sentence statement issued Thursday afternoon, Memphis-based FedEx said, “We have communicated to the team in Washington our request that they change the team name.”

    Even without elaboration from the company, the statement signals a dramatic pivot by one of the Redskins’ more loyal, long-standing corporate backers — a Fortune 100 company that for more than two decades has tied its brand to that of the team.

    The company’s request comes less than a week after a group of more than 85 investment firms and shareholders representing $620 billion in assets called on FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo to sever ties with the team unless Snyder changes its name.

    The sponsors’ investors — whose assets are represented by First Peoples Worldwide, Oneida Nation Trust Enrollment Committee, Trillium Asset Management, Boston Common Asset Management, Boston Trust Walden, Mercy Investment Services and First Affirmative Financial Network — are not threatening to boycott or divest from the companies. Rather, their move represents a campaign to work from within those companies to pressure their respective CEOs to put pressure on Snyder. FedEx’s statement Thursday is the first public result.

    The investors are motivated by several factors, explained Carla Fredericks, director of First Peoples Worldwide and director of the University of Colorado Law School’s American Indian Law Clinic.

    The shareholders see the name as a racial slur, and they feel FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo have obligations to honor their stated corporate values of inclusion and diversity. Thus, they believe the value of their investments will suffer if the companies continue supporting an NFL team that doesn’t reflect those values. In other words, they are demanding the companies “walk the talk” of their stated values as they relate to the Washington team’s name.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/02/fedex-redskins-name-change/

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  311. “There’s no capitalism at play when it’s leftist political pressure causing companies to do their boycotts as well as using the WaPo with their gossip attack on the Red.skins this past week. If capitalism was at play, they’d let the market decide. That’s clearly not happening as the market doesn’t oppose the name.”

    This isn’t what happened.

    FedEx on Thursday became the first major corporate backer of the Washington Red.skins to call on the team to change its name, the most significant development yet amid mounting financial and political pressure on team owner Daniel Snyder in the long-running controversy.

    In a one-sentence statement issued Thursday afternoon, Memphis-based FedEx said, “We have communicated to the team in Washington our request that they change the team name.”

    Even without elaboration from the company, the statement signals a dramatic pivot by one of the Red.skins’ more loyal, long-standing corporate backers — a Fortune 100 company that for more than two decades has tied its brand to that of the team.

    The company’s request comes less than a week after a group of more than 85 investment firms and shareholders representing $620 billion in assets called on FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo to sever ties with the team unless Snyder changes its name.

    The sponsors’ investors — whose assets are represented by First Peoples Worldwide, Oneida Nation Trust Enrollment Committee, Trillium Asset Management, Boston Common Asset Management, Boston Trust Walden, Mercy Investment Services and First Affirmative Financial Network — are not threatening to boycott or divest from the companies. Rather, their move represents a campaign to work from within those companies to pressure their respective CEOs to put pressure on Snyder. FedEx’s statement Thursday is the first public result.

    The investors are motivated by several factors, explained Carla Fredericks, director of First Peoples Worldwide and director of the University of Colorado Law School’s American Indian Law Clinic.

    The shareholders see the name as a racial slur, and they feel FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo have obligations to honor their stated corporate values of inclusion and diversity. Thus, they believe the value of their investments will suffer if the companies continue supporting an NFL team that doesn’t reflect those values. In other words, they are demanding the companies “walk the talk” of their stated values as they relate to the Washington team’s name.

    https://tinyurl.com/y57ag94t

    (I had to edit this response to remove the blockage based on the team name, I also had to tinyurl the link to the article. That and this note are the only changes to the version in moderation).

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  312. Dan Snyder made a business decision in response to pressure from his sponsors.

    So did the NBA after Daryl Morey had his say. Our Capitalism 101 lessons are being taught by China, and some here are enthusiastic students.

    beer ‘n pretzels (273645)

  313. @324: “Thus, they believe the value of their investments will suffer if the companies continue supporting an NFL team that doesn’t reflect those values.”

    Under capitalism, they can simply sell their shares. But, that’s not what they did. Because if they do that, they lose their influence. It’s a classic Operation Push style shakedown. Do what we say, or we smear you, which will devastate you financially. China did the same with the NBA, and is still doing it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (273645)

  314. “Under capitalism, they can simply sell their shares. ”

    Under capitalism, they can do whatever they want with the power that representing $620 billion provides.

    “It’s a classic Operation Push style shakedown.”

    It’s nothing at all like operation push.

    “Do what we say, or we smear you, which will devastate you financially.”

    Do what we say or we’ll find someone else who will do what we say.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  315. Under capitalism, they can do whatever they want with the power that representing $620 billion provides

    Of course. They can also do whatever they want with their power to smear. So can China. Therefore, yay, go capitalism.

    beer ‘n pretzels (b27f61)

  316. “Of course. They can also do whatever they want with their power to smear. So can China. Therefore, yay, go capitalism.”

    They’re owners of the companies in question, they don’t want the share prices to go down.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  317. They’re owners of the companies in question, they don’t want the share prices to go down.

    “The company’s request comes less than a week after a group of more than 85 investment firms and shareholders representing $620 billion in assets called on FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo to sever ties with the team unless Snyder changes its name.”

    Because the share prices go up if FedEx, Nike and Pepsi sever ties? Huh.

    beer ‘n pretzels (afb340)

  318. And, a “director of First Peoples Worldwide and director of the University of Colorado Law School’s American Indian Law Clinic” sounds like someone with stock prices on their mind. A real money manager.

    beer ‘n pretzels (afb340)

  319. “Because the share prices go up if FedEx, Nike and Pepsi sever ties? Huh.”

    If only there was some way to review the companies’ stock prices.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  320. When some people here buy their own sports franchise, they can name it whatever they want. Maybe the Washington Orange-outans? Or if they must have Las Pieles Rojas, they can buy the naming rights from FedEx. But why be pikers? Buy FedEx!

    nk (1d9030)

  321. Telling other people what to do with their property! Who does that?

    nk (1d9030)

  322. @beer ‘n pretzels,

    The directors of FedEx, Nike, and PepsiCo have a fiduciary duty to serve the interest of their shareholders. If they breach that duty, their careers, along with a boatload of unvested compensation, will go up in a blaze of shareholcder derivative suits. So until I see evidence to the contrary, I’m going to assume these captains of industry aren’t just looking for an excuse to shoot themselves in the balls, but instead, back here on planet Earth, they know what maximizes value for their bosses.

    Maybe you personally own a few shares in one of these companies? In that case, why are wasting time flapping our gums? Bring the pain, baby. After all, lawyers have to eat too.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  323. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/18/now-we-have-proof-dr-fauci-is-full-of-crap-and-cant-be-trusted-n661149
    this serial goober is a disastrous hack and Americans shouldn’t have to deal with his lying b.s. fire this soros pos.

    mg (8cbc69)

  324. Several recent studies conducted around the world indicate that the human body does not retain the antibodies

    This statement is ridiculous and I wonder who is propagating it.

    ,i> Proof of immunity via blood test disappears for every infection or vaccine </B. after several months. Immunity is maintained by memory cells.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  325. NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2020 @ 9:44 pm

    No surprise. It wasn’t about popular opinion, just leftist opinion. The rest of the country doesn’t matter. That’s real privilege.

    Not leftist opinion, but leftist intimidation. Similar to McCarthyism. And this may extend to more important matters if left unchecked. But something may come along to break the fever.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  326. Look guys, your best argument which you haven’t made so I’ll make it for you, is that there was some type of implied threat of government coercion if the team name wasn’t changed. I have no idea if that threat existed outside this hypothetical, but under a Democratic administration it strikes me as plausible. And if indeed the threat did exist, that would be a fine argument that this isn’t exactly capitalism at work, if we were measuring against a baseline of unfettered free market capitalism. But we aren’t. That’s not what we have or have ever had.

    For better or worse we have a mixed economy of freeish market capitalism subject to considerable taxation, subsidies, regulations and other sundry forms of government interference. The tradeoff for that meddling is safer workplaces, clean air and water, standardized food and drugs, a bunch of other arguably worthwhile stuff and another bunch of unexpurgated waste, corruption and stunted economic growth. When Democrats are in power they effect the will of the voters by moving the needle too far in one direction, and when Republicans are in power they go too far in the other. Wherever the sweet spot is — I don’t pretend to know — a tradeoff between freer markets and government meddling is a permanent part of capitalism as it’s pretty much always been practiced here. Remember the Commerce Clause was written into the text of the original, unamended Constitution.

    So if an implied threat of coercion around the name change existed, it existed within that framework. Since this is all hypothetical, I have no idea what the actual threatened coercion would have been, whether it would be constitutional, and any number of other variables which might have killed it right out of the gate or rendered it utterly innocuous lip service. FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo can’t be sure of these things either. One thing we can say with confidence is that their anticipating and preemptively reacting to it, if that’s what they did, was a perfectly conventional corporate act under our system of capitalism.

    I understand much of this will offend certain free market purists. Two things about that:

    1. I know, but I’m talking about what is, not what ought to be.

    2. If you support Trump (not grudgingly tolerate, but support), do yourself a favor and stop saying you care about free markets or for that matter any other tenet of principled conservatism. No one but another Trump supporter will take you seriously.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  327. Manufactured pressure just like when the left got the government to destroy the copyright on Red.skins before it was overturned.

    This has become a continuous process for the left where they keep attacking until the opposition tires and tries to sue for peace. The left says not until their demands are met then push ever leftward. What you saw in this case was corporate fascism.

    NJRob (fde909)

  328. Can you define Corp Fascism?

    Time123 (430057)

  329. Meh! “The Democrats are Communists” and “Joe Biden is going to abolish the suburbs” are the songs being played on the orange banjo this week. The Gaslight Serenade.

    nk (1d9030)

  330. Bring the pain, baby. After all, lawyers have to eat too.

    A slow, hanging curveball… but, resist it we much, on account of it’s Sunday…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  331. Merger of government and big business that dictates to society instead of a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  332. Mr M wrote:

    Top nine brick-and-mortar retailers now require coronavirus masks in U.S. stores

    They require them for entry, but some people are so fracking obstinate (not to say stupid) that they take them off immediately after entering.

    Perhaps if people didn’t feel the need to resist the totalitarian dictates of some of our state Governors, they would be more willing to comply.

    A great many of our Governors, were they in office 250 years ago, would have had an unfortunate encounter with tar and feathers, and, quite frankly, that’s what should happen to them today.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  333. I’m shocked no one has discussed the insider hack on twitter, what a reveal that was in how someone can take control of major accounts and that they also have dedicated controls to shadowbanning and preventing hashtags from getting wider use.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  334. Mr M wrote:

    The mask, in case someone has missed the memo, is not to protect the wearer so much as to make it much more difficult for them to infect others if they are in the asymptomatic incubation period. So, not wearing a mask is reckless endangerment and should be charged as such.

    You would have to prove that the non-mask-wearer had the virus at the time of the alleged offense, and that he knew it or had a substantial reason to believe it.

    I have not been able to find a reckless endangerment statute in Kentucky, and the two degrees of wanton endangerment have definitions that are far too strict to fit the ‘crime.’ You might be able to charge wanton endangerment in the second degree if the ‘offender’ knew he had the virus and then spit on someone.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  335. https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/nc-teachers-union-demands-universal-health-care-welfare-for-illegal-immigrants-to-reopen-schools/

    Just days after the Durham Association of Educators (DAE) issued a statement railing against the school district’s reopening plan, Durham Public Schools voted unanimously to hold all classes virtually for at least the first nine weeks of the school year. Included in the DAE statement was a call to adopt a variety of far-left policy goals before holding in-person classes, including Medicare for All and “direct income support regardless of immigration status.”

    “There are concrete policies that have permitted other countries to flatten the curve and return to public life: moratoriums on rent and mortgage, universal health care, direct income support regardless of immigration status,” the statement reads. “We must fight together, collectively, for changes that will permit our communities to thrive during this pandemic and beyond.”

    The union’s statement also calls for a full shutdown of the state, saying “until that is done, remote learning should remain the default.”

    These people are certifiably insane. Why anyone would desire giving them more power is beyond comprehension.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  336. Worth noting: CDC data reports that for the week ending July 11, CoViD-19 death rates have fallen for the 12th straight week in a row.

    Gryph (08c844)

  337. Worth noting: CDC data reports that for the week ending July 11, CoViD-19 death rates have fallen for the 12th straight week in a row.

    KARENs and mortuaries hardest hit…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  338. US Fish and Wildlife
    @USFWSMtnPrairie

    To kick off Latino Conservation Week, we want to help clarify the term “Latinx”, which is a “gender-neutral alternative to Latino, Latina and even Latin@.” This term will be used frequently throughout the week! Learn more here: http://ow.ly/STfT50ABwTf
    __ _

    ACAB
    @acab
    ·
    What is “Latino Conservation Week”? As a Latino I’m baffled as to why something like that would even be needed. Also, don’t call us “Latinx”, it’s a term imposed on us by outsiders who assume our language is fundamentally flawed and needs fixing by them. It’s a slur.
    __ _

    Dept. of Wokeness Studies
    @DeptStudies
    ·
    How do you pronounce “Latinx”? Is it “Latin-ex”? Or “La-tinks”? I thought I should ask a gringo, since gringos invented it.
    __ _

    DrLegend
    @TheDrLegend
    ·
    Thank you great and glorious white people for inventing another word to call us minorities so you can feel better about yourselves around other white people.
    __ _

    media assassin
    @Gbiz_money
    ·
    The entirety of the Spanish language is built on assigning gender to nouns, adjectives, adverbs as a sign of respect to the person involved. Undoing this to appease some liberal whities is peak “supremacy” lol
    __ _

    TheOldMan
    @TheOldManIsHere
    ·
    US Fish and Wildlife used to be run by biologists and conservationists who understood the difference between sexes. This is why they have hunting classifications for bucks/does, bulls/cows.

    This is embarrassing that they are pretending these classifications don’t exist for humans
    __ _

    Captain Beezlebugge, Authentic Space Bastard
    @cbeezlebugge
    ·
    LatinX is about as culturally-representative of true Latin-Americans as Taco Bell is.
    __ _

    Jacob McConville
    @JacobMcconville
    ·
    >Imperialism is bad

    >Let’s impose made up American rules on a language we don’t speak
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  339. what asshassery is this, a corporate state merger is called a sysgy btw,

    narciso (7404b5)

  340. Fedex bought the naming rights of the Washington stadium in 1998….that’s a lot of years of being tacitly OK with the name of the team…..or are we pretending that those investment bankers were ignorant of the controversy until just a month ago? Or is it that Fedex customers just woke up. No, we’ve moved from legitimate concerns about police excessive use of force…..to uncomfortable confederate statues…..to monuments more generally….to anything that can be perceived as offensive……especially if Dan Snyder is involved. Most Native Americans appear to be not particularly offended by the nickname….possibly on the order of 90%….yet broader America seems more curiously split. Still, the Blackhawks, Indians, Seminoles, Braves…..and the incessant tomhawk chop chant…..can’t be far behind, right? All are celebrating a warrior stereotype or offensive indian imagery, no? The biggest crime today is to appear to not be doing anything….wear the BLM shirt, kneel, remove flags, remove statues, praise Kaepernick….remove the nickname….purge, purge, purge. This is cheap innoculation by Fedex….let’s stop pretending that it’s especially consequential…..

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  341. Some guy from Joisey quoted:

    There are concrete policies that have permitted other countries to flatten the curve and return to public life: moratoriums on rent and mortgage, universal health care, direct income support regardless of immigration status

    Now just what does a “moratorium on rent and mortgage” have to do with COVID-19? And why should American taxpayers be taxed to provide “direct income support” for non-citizens?

    If there was ever evidence that the left are using COVID-19 as a political weapon, that’s it. And the teachers in North Carolina aren’t the only ones who are trying to do this [insert slang term for feces here].

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  342. An essay from the brilliant — as always — Angelo Codevilla.

    Gryph (08c844)

  343. this is why duels came into being,

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/18/new-york-times-report-donald-trump-russia-connections-fbi-memo-debunk/

    have you read codevilla’s dialog with samuels in the tablet some months back,

    narciso (7404b5)

  344. A pull quote from Codevilla’s essay:

    In short, COVID-19 is not America’s plague. It did not shake America. The ruling class shook it. They have not done it ignorantly or by mistake. They have done it to extort the general public’s compliance with their agendas. Their claim to speak on behalf of “science” is an attempt to avoid being held accountable for the enormous harm they are doing. They continue doing it because they want to hang on to the power the panic has brought them.

    BTW: Whenever you hear someone claiming to speak on science’s behalf, referring to authorities rather than to facts and logic, you may be sure that person is a fraud.

    Gryph (08c844)

  345. Worth noting: CDC data reports that for the week ending July 11, CoViD-19 death rates have fallen for the 12th straight week in a row.

    It also says:

    *Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death.

    And you can see the total number of number of deaths (125,000) is about 15,000 behind the numbers reported by the county and state authorities (140,000).

    According to these less laggy indicators, there were 5305 COVID-19 deaths in the seven days ending July 17, compared to 4137 in the seven days ending July 5, which marked the lowest total since early April.

    Dave (1bb933)

  346. The only reason it is not a “plague”, with over a million dead, is that severe measures were taken. Perhaps, in an America of 50 years ago, when people still understood the idea of responsibility for one’s self, then maybe we could have been like the Swedes. But this crop of Americans only knows “rights” and what they what, when they want it. As we see now.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  347. You would have to prove that the non-mask-wearer had the virus at the time of the alleged offense, and that he knew it or had a substantial reason to believe it.

    Why? The act is the same either way. Armed robbery does not go away if the gun you brandish is not loaded.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  348. You might be able to charge wanton endangerment in the second degree if the ‘offender’ knew he had the virus and then spit on someone.

    That I would call “assault”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  349. Another great quote from Codevilla:

    Fairness requires noting that, regardless of whatever America’s ruling Left has done, whatever its hopes, plans, or coordination, what actually happened to the United States of America consequent to COVID could not have happened had President Donald Trump, much of the Republican Party, and America’s religious establishment not concurred in its happening. [emphasis included]

    Gryph (08c844)

  350. 361. Oh not even, Kevin. Armed robbery is by its very nature a violent act. My refusal to wear a mask or go places where I must do so, is most certainly not a violent act. Nice try.

    Gryph (08c844)

  351. 360. That’s odd, Kevin. I didn’t take any “severe measures” and I didn’t get sick. I just exercised what I felt was “common sense” and “ordinary decency.” And it worked for me. It worked for my entire home state.

    Gryph (08c844)

  352. if cowards give in to wearing masks today the suburbs will be abolished tomorrow mr m

    and before long riverdance will have black people

    its obvious to anyone willing to do the analysis

    Dave (1bb933)

  353. this crop of Americans only knows “rights” and what they what

    What teh Hell…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  354. “ For kids who already start at a disadvantage, have no parent at home to coach them through the lessons, live in crowded conditions, and have limited internet access, the long-run results could be devastating.

    In Los Angeles, Black and Latino middle and high school students were surely set back the most after campuses closed in March, with comparatively few of them actively using school system’s online education platform, according to a report released on Thursday. Disadvantages, especially in early grades, can easily compound over time.

    These facts are well understood by scientists and educators. The National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine released a report on Wednesday urging schools to reopen, especially for younger children, and described in detail how risks could be managed.”

    Average weekly participation frequency of Los Angeles middle school in first nine weeks after schools closed:

    Asian – greater than 5 times = 48%, 3-5 times = 30%, 1-2 times = 16%, less than 1 time 6%
    White – 44, 30, 18, 8
    Black – 17, 25, 37, 21
    Latino – 15, 25, 34, 26

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-schools-critical-teachers-more-133045624.html

    Black Lives Matter!
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  355. 366. Black people in Riverdance?! Quelle horror!

    Gryph (08c844)

  356. Trump loves the ‘low’ daily death rate for covid. It won’t last.
    After peaking at more than 2,000 deaths daily in the spring, the number of new covid-19 fatalities in the United States steadily declined to below 500 per day in early July. The Trump administration has seized upon that statistic as a sign that it has successfully tackled the pandemic, even as the number of infections spikes. …….
    ……..
    But the picture has now changed. There’s no more plateau: We have a major outbreak on our hands. Daily case numbers have surged mercilessly, to a record-breaking 65,000 this past week. …….

    ……[T]est positivity rates are spiking, too. In Arizona, for instance, the figure increased from roughly 5 percent in early May to 20 percent in late June…….. The combination of more testing, higher positivity and rising hospitalization is a grim one — a clear signal of extensive community transmission.

    ……. Deaths have leaped in the past two weeks to an average of 700 daily — and there is no reason to think the rise will stop. The accelerating outbreak is only now showing up in the death numbers because deaths are a “lagging indicator”…….
    ……..
    …….. Young people without symptoms can inadvertently transmit to people of every age, including family members, neighbors and co-workers……..
    …….
    ……. With the case numbers we’re seeing, it’s whistling past the graveyard — nearly literally — to celebrate a temporarily low death rate. As the numbers of cases continue to rise, so will the preventable deaths of thousands more Americans.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  357. harkin (5af287) — 7/19/2020 @ 8:09 am

    Thank you, very much, for that comment, Harkin. That term “latinx” is most offensive to me both culturally and intellectually. I would appreciate it if that word could be added to the filter.

    felipe (023cc9)

  358. 367. This is what rule by fear looks like, Haiku. And certain of our countrymen are eating it up.

    Gryph (08c844)

  359. 370. The low daily death rate won’t last? How do they know? How can they say that? On what scientific basis are we being told, and are you asserting, Rip, that this lowering death rate (which has been steadily lowering for 12 weeks) is temporary?

    Gryph (08c844)

  360. yes, one can’t argue that point, because lord fauci, who has botched every public health matter for nearly 40 years is to be unquestioned, he said don’t use masks, he said it was of low mortality, he said we could go on cruises, do not question he is wiser than all, we should light a novena candle as with st. mueller of the beltway,

    narciso (7404b5)

  361. he was there at the beginning of this curated panopticon,

    https://www.realclearpolicy.com/2019/10/28/the_codevilla_tapes_43217.html

    narciso (7404b5)

  362. @365-
    It worked for my entire home state.

    A state whose population (less than 900,000) would disappear in most other states (or even counties) and not even be noticed, and is so sparsely populated that it ranks 46 out of 50 in population and in density (less than 11.5 persons per square mile). SD probably has more cows per square mile than people.

    SD population is hardly representative of basically any other state (though it does outrank North Dakota, 47th in population and density).

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  363. For kids who already start at a disadvantage, have no parent at home to coach them through the lessons, live in crowded conditions, and have limited internet access, the long-run results could be devastating.

    Welcome to the party, pal.

    Re-opening businesses pre-maturely and flouting preventative measures screws everyone, including children and especially minorities.

    Latinos have hospitalization rates 4x that of white non-Latinos. And for African-Americans, it’s 5x.

    Dave (1bb933)

  364. 377. I get that. But death rates have been falling for 12 straight weeks now. Nationwide. Not just in my home state. We’re on the falling side of the flattened curve, “spikes in cases” notwithstanding. So I’ll ask you again, on what basis do you believe that this 12 week decline is temporary?

    Gryph (08c844)

  365. So I’ll ask you again, on what basis do you believe that this 12 week decline is temporary?

    Don’t discount wishful thinking.

    beer ‘n pretzels (4d3c08)

  366. @379-
    I’m sure a month from now we’ll know for sure. More people engaged in activities without masks or social distancing = More COVID-19 cases = more hospitalizations — no vaccine—no sure fire hospital treatment + underlying health problems = more deaths. Reduce the number of cases, reduce the number of deaths.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  367. Light in my eyes, you in my arms…

    https://youtu.be/XFrMSJgOIpM

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  368. KARENs gonna KAREN…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  369. 381. But I thought it wasn’t about reducing cases. Fauci told us back in March that it was about flattening the curve.

    And I’ll say it again since you seem to be suffering from some confirmation bias: death rates have been falling for 12 [twelve] weeks. You’re not even willing to entertain the idea that you’re being lied to. I think Codevilla has it right.

    Gryph (08c844)

  370. The low daily death rate won’t last? How do they know?

    Simple logic.

    It’s like taking the ratio between the number of airline tickets purchased, and the number of airline passengers, in the last week.

    People usually buy airline tickets weeks in advance of the date they will fly. If there were a surge of airline ticket purchases (like the surge in new Covid cases), for a short time the ratio of passengers to tickets purchased would drop.

    Someone who stupidly looked at that ratio without accounting for the lag between ticket purchase and flight date would draw the opposite of the correct conclusion and say air travel was declining.

    The analogy isn’t perfect, of course, because we know when someone is supposed to fly when they buy a ticket, making it relatively easy to correct for the delay, whereas we don’t know when, or even if, someone who contracts the virus will die.

    But the rate of new infections is rising so fast that over 23% (870,000) of the total number of COVID-19 cases in the US since the beginning of the pandemic (3.71M) have happened in the last two weeks.

    This makes the raw mortality rate a completely misleading indicator.

    Link to data

    Dave (1bb933)

  371. Piero Pompa
    @PompaPiero
    ·
    #France Police took in custody a 39yo man from Rwanda for #Nantes Cathedral arson. It seems the man, so far unkown to Police, acted in anger because of expiring of his VISA.

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    Yesterday’s questions, answered today.
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    harkin (5af287)

  372. There are several reasons why the Covid death rate might be stabilizing or declining:

    “It’s encouraging,” says Oke. “We are either getting better at treating this or it’s becoming less severe.”

    But there might be other explanations, he cautions. It could just be an artefact of the data due to survivors staying in hospital longer. Another possibility is that hospitals are admitting less severe cases now they have the resources.

    To know for sure if the odds of dying are falling, we really need to know how many of those who are infected succumb and if this is changing – that is, if the infection fatality rate (IFR) is declining. Early estimates put the IFR across populations at between 0.6 and 1 per cent. Some thought this would turn out to be an overestimate, but recent estimates are similar. A statistical analysis by Grewelle and his colleague Giulio De Leo, for instance, suggests that the global IFR so far is 1 per cent.

    Bold’s team has estimated IFRs for different countries around the world based on death rates in France, and also came up with relatively high numbers. For instance, Brazil, one of the world’s hardest-hit countries, should have an IFR of around 0.4 per cent given the ages of its inhabitants and their general health. Adjusting for the quality of healthcare, however, pushes the predicted IFR up to 0.8 per cent.

    This matches research by Fernando Barros at the Catholic University of Pelotas in Brazil. He has tried to directly measure the nation’s IFR by doing antibody tests on more than 25,000 people. His team puts it at 1 per cent. So far, though, there are no estimates of how IFRs are changing over time. “We have only one estimate, and not two or more points in time, so we are not in the position of studying trends,” says Barros.

    I think you have to add erratic, difficult-to-obtain testing to the list. Texas cases have exploded now that we have access to testing that was not available before.

    DRJ (aede82)

  373. “ In other words, if you give me control of the media and medical academia for a month, I will have every parent in America easily convinced that children must be locked down forever. If the threat level of COVID-19 to children is the new threshold for shutdown, we are done as a civilization, even if this particular virus becomes extinct tomorrow.

    Remember, unlike with this virus, where children barely contribute to community spread, with the flu, children contribute substantially to the spread and pick it up most often from other kids in school……

    …….Just consider the statement from California Superintendent of Instruction Tony Thurmond. “I do think that, if school had to open tomorrow, most of our districts would open in distance learning,” he said during a briefing earlier this week as county governments in L.A. and San Diego closed schools in September. “And that is a decision that I think is a good decision if conditions don’t change.”

    If conditions don’t change? Not a single child has died of COVID-19 in the state of California. Not one in this state of 40 million people. Kids are not only more likely to die of the flu, but are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to school or in a playground accident at school.

    Also, consider the fact that they are insinuating that schools can’t return to normal until there is a vaccine. Well, when was the last time we had a foolproof vaccine for a respiratory virus? Notice how the flu is much more dangerous for children than COVID-19, even though there already is a vaccine.

    According to the California Department of Public Health’s Influenza Surveillance Report, there were 187 reported ICU and fatal cases of the flu among children during the 2017-2018 season. Among those cases with available influenza vaccination information (120 cases), 61 (50.8%) received the 2017–2018 influenza vaccine.“

    https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-panicmongers-consistent-wed-close-schools-every-flu-season/
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    harkin (5af287)

  374. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/19/antifa-rioters-break-into-portland-police-union-and-set-it-on-fire-as-mayor-hamstrings-federal-troops-n661172

    Just more of those peaceful protesters having a peaceful bonfire. How dare anyone arrest these innocent souls when they have the full support of the mayor.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  375. Well, it is said that “if you’re tired of Sioux Falls, you’re tired of life”. But as Humphrey Bodine told Ingrid Burkhalter in the classic movie Milbank: “We will always have Fargo.”

    Alternate realities: They’re not for Harry Turtledove only.

    nk (1d9030)

  376. Dereliction of duty at that level. Rob is criminal, its a government only accountable to the rioters.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  377. Not a single child has died of COVID-19 in the state of California. Not one in this state of 40 million people.

    This is like those articles puzzling over how the crime rate could fall while incarcerations go up. Unexpectedly!

    In other words, last Spring’s school closings were spectacularly successful in protecting children.

    Dave (1bb933)

  378. In CA, children account for 22.5% of the population, but only 8.5% of confirmed cases.

    Dave (1bb933)

  379. Codevilla’s essay is excellent.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  380. In Sunday’s interview, Wallace noted that new cases had far outpaced increases in testing over the past month. He also confronted Trump about his incorrect and oft-repeated predictions that the virus would “disappear.”

    “I will be right eventually,” Trump told the host. “You know I said, ‘It’s going to disappear.’ I’ll say it again.”

    “Does that discredit you?” Wallace asked.

    Trump said he didn’t think so. “It’s going to disappear, and I’ll be right,” he said.

    Too bad a quarter of a million Americans, or more, are probably going to “disappear” first…

    Dave (1bb933)

  381. @384-
    ……..death rates have been falling for 12 [twelve] weeks. You’re not even willing to entertain the idea that you’re being lied to

    You’re looking at the past. I’m looking toward the future.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  382. Whenever you hear someone claiming to speak on science’s behalf, referring to authorities rather than to facts and logic, you may be sure that person is a fraud.

    Who has the proper credentials to tells us what the real facts are? A lot of people seem to think we can’t trust scientists to give us scientific facts, but should instead listen to general-purpose “intellectuals” who tell us that the scientists are wrong about their own field. Those people don’t seem to be at all chastened when their own predictions turn out to be spectacularly wrong. They just move on to the next episode of “look how the experts are wrong!”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  383. Trump declines to say whether he will accept November election results
    President Trump declined to say whether he will accept the results of the November election, claiming without evidence that mail-in voting due to the coronavirus pandemic could “rig” the outcome.
    …….
    In the “Fox News Sunday” interview, Wallace asked Trump whether he considers himself a “gracious” loser.
    Trump replied that he doesn’t like to lose, then added: “It depends. I think mail-in voting is going to rig the election. I really do.”…….

    Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election?” Wallace asked.

    Trump responded, “No. I have to see.”

    Later in the interview, pressed on whether he will accept the results of the November election, Trump again declined to say.
    “I have to see,” he said. “Look, you — I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say ‘yes.’ I’m not going to say ‘no.’ And I didn’t last time, either.”
    ……..
    “Trump” and “gracious” don’t belong in the same sentence.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  384. how did it work the last time, hillary’s four year temper tantrum, with drummer boy mueller as back up band,

    narciso (7404b5)

  385. “I have to see,” he said. “Look, you — I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say ‘yes.’ I’m not going to say ‘no.’ And I didn’t last time, either.”
    ……..
    “Trump” and “gracious” don’t belong in the same sentence.
    Rip Murdock (c3b99c) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:00 am
    What he says is not only entirely reasonable, it is also wise.

    If you order something from Amazon and then receive an email that sounds like it could be brought up later, that states:

    An item you ordered is coming soon. Do you here, and now, vow to accept it when it arrives?

    One would be foolish risking the rights that one could, and should, reserve until the moment comes when they will need those rights. Most importantly, the right of refusal.

    felipe (023cc9)

  386. Codevilla’s essay is a sign of how far the Claremont Institute has fallen.
    This isn’t about “ruling class”, it’s about how our public servants are handling a contagious and lethal virus, and it ain’t the “flu” as he wrongly calls it. It’s this nation’s 3rd largest killer, a fact that he conveniently ignores, and there’s only 140,000 dead Americans because of the precautions taken.
    He’s also being dishonest by ignoring how so many other nations have successfully contained the virus. Sweden has also contained it, but at the cost of having a higher death rate than the US.
    In other words, it’s just another piece CV19 downtalking, which I’m sure Trump would pleased to read about, if he ever bothered reading.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  387. More to the point, it makes no difference what Trump says he’ll do, since his word is worth less than nothing.

    Dave (1bb933)

  388. it depends on the condition of the item, felipe, it’s like with prime I discontinued it because it no longer offers prompt delivery, so why pay that fee,

    narciso (7404b5)

  389. ‘Superspreading’ events, triggered by people who may not even know they are infected, propel coronavirus pandemic
    ……It had started with just two infections at the college bar on June 18, not long after the state began reopening. But the numbers quickly jumped to 12, then 18, then 34.

    As of Friday, (Linda Vail, the health officer for Michigan’s Ingham County) was staring at a spreadsheet with 187 infected at Harper’s Restaurant and Brew Pub.
    ……..
    …….. Many scientists say such infection bursts — probably sparked by a single, highly infectious individual who may show no signs of illness and unwittingly share an enclosed space with many others — are driving the pandemic. They worry these cases, rather than routine transmission between one infected person and, say, two or three close contacts, are propelling case counts out of control.
    ……..
    ……. Transmission, it turns out, is far more idiosyncratic than previously understood. Scientists say they believe it is dependent on such factors as an individual’s infectivity, which can vary person to person by billions of virus particles, whether the particles are contained in large droplets that fall to the ground or in fine vapor that can float much further, and how much the air in a particular space circulates.
    ……..
    …….. The World Health Organization has described most infections as occurring from close face-to-face contact involving large, virus-laced respiratory droplets that drop to the ground within a few feet of the person expelling them due to gravity. But this month, a group of prominent scientists made the case that superspreading clusters suggest the virus is sometimes being transmitted over longer distances through the air in far smaller and more numerous particles.
    …….
    “It is becoming clear that the pandemic is driven by superspreading events, and that the best explanation for many of those events is aerosol transmission.” (Jose-Luis Jimenez, a researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder) said.
    …….
    Overall, researchers have estimated in recent studies that some 10 to 20 percent of the infected may be responsible for 80 percent of all cases.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  390. narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 11:22 am
    That is exactly right. It depends on the condition, upon arrival -and not one moment before.

    felipe (023cc9)

  391. Also, I feel the same way about election results, as delivery is further and further delayed.

    felipe (023cc9)

  392. of course it is, codevilla has seen the national security bureaucracy fail and again, this is true of the mission of the cdc which became total virtue signalling on extraneous measures, and they fund the democrats through act blue, so it’s a total protection racket, cuomo is funded by the hospital association, and backstops any liability against them, for sending patients back to nursing homes, generations of livelihoods die on the vine,

    narciso (7404b5)

  393. One would be foolish risking the rights that one could, and should, reserve until the moment comes when they will need those rights. Most importantly, the right of refusal.

    Of course, whether Trump “recognizes” or “concedes” the election result is immaterial. If doesn’t win enough electoral votes, he’s out. And he can tweet all he wants as he packs up and leaves the White House on January 20, 2021. (I doubt he will attend Biden’s inauguration.)

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  394. that is true, there was a part I ordered, but it turns out it was the wrong fit, to ship it back I had to contact morocco! that was not on the original contact list,

    narciso (7404b5)

  395. But if you’re willing to surrender control of your life because “experts” tell you to, I guess there’s really nothing that can be done. I’ll just sit here in my corner and thank God daily that I live in South Dakota.

    Pffffft.

    U.S. War Casualties South Dakota, Vietnam War: page 1 of 22

    https://www.honorstates.org/index.php?do=q&state=SD&war=Vietnam+Conflict

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  396. 405.More to the point, it makes no difference what Trump says he’ll do, since his word is worth less than nothing.

    When your next Covid-19 check comes before the election, be sure you mail it back to POTUS with a nasty letter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  397. There were 5 who lost:

    [Sixth result is my addition]

    George H.W. Bush lost to Bill Clinton in 1992.

    Jimmy Carter lost to Ronald Reagan in 1980.

    Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976.

    Herbert Hoover lost to Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932.

    William Taft lost to Woodrow Wilson in 1912.

    Donald Trump lost to Joe Biden in 2020

    Hmm, I’m not feeling it.

    felipe (023cc9)

  398. “but should instead listen to general-purpose “intellectuals” who tell us that the scientists are wrong about their own field”

    Yes, I love a libertarian political scientist ruminating on pandemic modeling….with the inevitable conclusion that he sees all through it and….yes….surprise….experts are at fault…and the market would have handled all of this. I would have never saw that coming….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  399. I doubt he will attend Biden’s inauguration.

    If he knows what’s good for him, he’ll be in international airspace, on an Aeroflot charter to Moscow, by the time Biden is sworn in.

    Dave (1bb933)

  400. OT- if you have clear skies after dusk, take a look at Comet Neowise just below the Big Dipper. Most spectacular tail on public display since First Lady Melania Trump boarded Air Force One.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  401. When your next Covid-19 check comes before the election, be sure you mail it back to POTUS with a nasty letter.

    Like it’s money out of his pocket, LOL.

    But anyway, I earn too much to receive Covid-19 checks.

    (Which is fine, since I don’t need the assistance)

    Dave (1bb933)

  402. @418-
    Edward Snowden can meet him on the jetway.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  403. Biden time; Trump will be re-elected:

    In a Gallup poll released on October 26th in 1980, two weeks before the election, Jimmy Carter was leading Ronald Reagan 47 – 39. Two weeks later Reagan won in such a landslide that Carter conceded before California was closed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  404. Biden time; Trump will be re-elected

    How about a friendly wager on the election outcome, Deezy-Eska?

    Say $5000?

    Money Talks/Bullsh*t Walks 2020

    Dave (1bb933)

  405. and most especially, NeverTrump…

    https://youtu.be/Ev-Ru1QpTqU

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  406. LBut anyway, I earn too much to receive Covid-19 checks.

    $95k would go a long way… in South Dakota and many other states derided here…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  407. ignoring how so many other nations have successfully contained the virus.

    What I’ve seen indicates that early and aggressive containment measures are, for the most part, what allowed countries to reopen earlier and emerge with less cost economically and in human lives and health.

    Here, we had a loud “don’t believe experts” set giving encouragement to the “don’t tell me what to do” segment of the population — both of which groups I’ve sometimes agreed with in the past — in combination with an excessive concern about what helps or hurts Trump. And they’re maintaining that this is all a giant plot by the leftist ruling class to tighten their power (so they’re not really the “ruling” class already?) — by devastating the whole economy and impoverishing a large portion of Democratic voters.

    It’s one thing to suggest (in hindsight) that various needs and concerns might have been balanced more optimally — though I’m not confident that the critics would have gotten it right had they been in positions of power. It’s another thing to maintain that so many people have been acting in bad faith, with sinister purpose.

    One benefit of the Trump presidency is that it pushed me out of a comfortable partisan box and encouraged me to give more thought to how “my side” might sometimes be wrong.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  408. Yes, I love a libertarian political scientist ruminating on pandemic modeling….with the inevitable conclusion that he sees all through it and….yes….surprise….experts are at fault…and the market would have handled all of this. I would have never saw that coming…

    My relatives include actual scientists and people who work in the medical field who are not leftists, and certainly not part of a leftist ruling class — and they are dismayed by the scorn for science coming from people who haven’t been in a lab since high school.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  409. Beautifully expressed Radegunda.

    Dave (1bb933)

  410. Codevilla’s essay is a sign of how far the Claremont Institute has fallen.

    One (just one) of the interesting phenomena about the direction this site has taken is how formerly well-respected essayists and political commentators often quoted/linked in years gone by (e.g., VDH, Codevilla and many others) are now described as sell-outs to be ignored. Because Orange Man Bad.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  411. #428 — Can’t tell you how thrilling it is to win the approval of “Dave.”

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  412. Even Colbert has figured out that Rick Wilson’s Lincoln Project is a grifter’s play

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  413. So the death rate (which has been falling precipitously since 12 weeks ago) is going to go back up and spike, because “simple logic.” And Angelo Codevilla has no idea what he’s talking about because he’s “not a scientist.” I’m beginning to think that some of you science cultists would believe credentialed mathematicians if they told you en masse that 2 + 2 = 5.

    Gryph (08c844)

  414. #429
    Rubbish. Everyone here must know by now that I’m part of the Orange Man Awesome club.

    And it’s interesting how many people who used to be highly critical of Trump are now hostile to the people still saying basically the same things about him they used to say.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  415. 426. Except in Sweden, where they didn’t lock down at all and now they enjoy the benefits of herd immunity.

    Gryph (08c844)

  416. So the death rate (which has been falling precipitously since 12 weeks ago) is going to go back up and spike, because “simple logic.”

    No, as I explained, it is already going back up, and will continue going up, and the reason is that almost 1/4 of the 3.7M total confirmed Covid-19 cases in America since the start of the pandemic appeared in the last two weeks.

    Those 850,000 people who got sick in the last two weeks have not yet had time to die and (for those who do die) have their deaths recorded by the CDC.

    Dave (1bb933)

  417. Ah, the truth is out.

    No one would ever have thought Donald Trump is an ignorant, self-serving, vindictive sociopath and chronic liar who regularly speaks nonsense and is incapable of learning anything or admitting error, if the Lincoln Project had not be secretively plotting to plant that notion in so many people’s heads years before the group started putting out its videos.

    And the Lincoln Project must also be orchestrating all those Republican Voters Against Trump and Vets Against Trump to say mean things about Dear Leader. And causing so many people to quit the GOP starting in 2016. And making so many people across the country who voted for Trump now tell pollsters they won’t do it again.

    Everything is a leftist plot!

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  418. And it’s interesting how many people who used to be highly critical of Trump are now hostile to the people still saying basically the same things about him they used to say.

    It’s all about him, apparently.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c63793)

  419. It’s all about him, apparently.

    I was responding to a comment that is in fact about Trump — a comment implying that a lot of people have changed their fundamental views about science and expertise etc. simply because they harbor some inexplicable, totally unfounded animus against someone who wears too much spray tanner.
    That comment made it all about Trump.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  420. * Sweden’s mortality rate per 100,000 is higher than that in the U.S. (55.18 vs 42.83)
    * Swedish immunity is somewhere in the 10-20% range, a ways from herd immunity
    * How immunity works with covid is not precisely understood where researchers at King’s College found that levels of immunity dropped drastically only three months after infection
    * Sweden had the highest rate of new cases of all European Union states, barring Luxembourg, in the past couple of weeks

    With only 10M in population and culturally quite homogenous, Sweden is far from the perfect model to apply to the U.S.

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  421. The U.S. is the accidental Sweden, which could make the fall ‘catastrophic’ for Covid-19
    ……… The Heritage Foundation praised Sweden for “preserving economic freedom.” The Cato Institute said Sweden’s response to Covid-19 “may prove to be superior from a public health perspective.” In early May, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said at a committee hearing that the U.S. “ought to look at the Swedish approach.”

    The Swedish approach was to largely allow businesses to remain open. And at first, it seemed to work, with a death count nowhere near what it was in countries such as Italy, Spain, and the U.K. But even as Sweden was being hailed as a model, its cases were steadily rising, and its death rate now exceeds that of the U.S. Sweden also did not seem to stave off the economic damage it was aiming to avoid.
    ……..
    …….. Now, the next few weeks will show the consequences of being the accidental Sweden.
    ……..,
    By “doing Sweden,” ………experts mean Americans’ pullback from social distancing that dates from May, when states began lifting stay-at-home orders and other policies aimed at reducing viral transmission. The effect has had many of the failed aspects of Sweden’s approach, but with none of the steps that kept that country from being a total disaster.
    ………
    ……..[I]f Swedes had done everything they were allowed to do (especially since face coverings were never required nationally), such as shop and socialize at the same levels they had pre-pandemic, “it would likely have led to runaway infection,” (Peter Kasson of the University of Virginia School of Medicine and Sweden’s Uppsala University) said. But “Sweden is a place with a very strong embrace of government authority.” When that authority said keep gatherings small, Swedes “took individual actions that went beyond the mandated measures,” he said.

    Sweden is 18th in the world in Covid-19 cases per million people, with 7,524 as of Tuesday. That’s better than the U.S. (10,626), but much worse than European countries that imposed shutdowns. Sweden is seventh in deaths per million people (with 549; the U.S. is ninth, with 419), though the U.K., Spain, and Italy are worse, possibly because of older populations, denser cities, and more imported cases early on. But a death rate nearly 12 times Norway’s is hardly reason for celebration. ……..
    Because factors that kept Sweden’s numbers from being even more dire are largely absent in much of the U.S., there is growing concern that this country will blow past Sweden’s death rate and exceed its case rate even further.

    Some states, especially in the South, began easing restrictions in late April. But many people seemed to take “bars and restaurants can reopen with capacity limits” as “back to normal!” An entrenched culture of “don’t tell me what to do” just about ensured the opposite of Swedes’ placing greater restrictions on themselves than the government did. And that’s what happened.
    ……..
    Call it “individualism, cultural libertarianism, atomism, selfishness, lack of social trust, suspicion of authority,” The Week columnist Damon Linker wrote, “it amounts to a refusal on the part of lots of Americans to think in terms of … what’s best for the community, of the common or public good. Each of us thinks we know what’s best for ourselves. We resent being told what to do.”

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  422. Furthermore, the line you quoted is exactly about why some people have shifted their stance toward Trump so very dramatically.
    I have not changed my opinion about Trump, except to the extent that I’ve learned more about him.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  423. That comment made it all about Trump.

    Ah, that clears it up. Then there’s @437.

    Obsession like this just feeds his ego, ya know. Let it go.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c63793)

  424. I have not changed my opinion about Trump

    OK, now do Biden.

    beer ‘n pretzels (c63793)

  425. #443 — I hadn’t even commented on this board for a week or two, but I see other people on here every day saying that whatever Trump did is right and his critics are wrong and horrible and they have evil motives, etc. But I’m the one who’s “obsessed”?

    Above, I made a substantial comment about attitudes toward science and expertise — with one line at the end bearing on Trump. I would say that anyone who zeros in on what I say about Trump is the one who’s obsessed about whether other people like or dislike him.

    Right now, Trump is president, and therefore relevant to various topics of current interest.

    But if you want to see real obsession, I can start linking to pictures and videos of the genuine Mr. Orange man. (I know where they are.)

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  426. Everybody loves a circus show.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  427. Actually, this one is Mr. Orange.

    I’ve got lots more too.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  428. @420. But anyway, I earn too much to receive Covid-19 checks. (Which is fine, since I don’t need the assistance)

    So Trump didwell by yu w/t yuuuuge tax cuts.

    Yes, Reagan Seed.

    He is you; the GOP ‘Picture Of Dorian Gray.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  429. Oh not even, Kevin. Armed robbery is by its very nature a violent act. My refusal to wear a mask or go places where I must do so, is most certainly not a violent act. Nice try.

    Do it around me and I will tell you to get your moronic ass away from me, and it could well escalate.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  430. Your refusal to take precautions to avoid spreading what could be deadly to me is inherently violent.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  431. @432. …Rick Wilson’s Lincoln Project is a grifter’s play

    Conservative whine; bitter dregs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  432. @448 Interesting article, thanks for posting it.

    Nic (896fdf)

  433. In my state, Gryph, your right to approach me ends at 6 feet away. Your right to approach me without a mask ends when you leave your home.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  434. One (just one) of the interesting phenomena about the direction this site has taken is how formerly well-respected essayists and political commentators often quoted/linked in years gone by (e.g., VDH, Codevilla and many others) are now described as sell-outs to be ignored. Because Orange Man Bad.

    I didn’t describe either one as “sell-outs”, but if the shoe fits and they abandon the conservative principles they once espoused, then so be it.
    In the case of Codevilla, a one-sided argument with cherry-picked data points is probably enough for the diminished Claremont Institute and their readers, but it again says something about how this once heralded entity has gone down the ideological tubes.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  435. Except in Sweden, where they didn’t lock down at all and now they enjoy the benefits of herd immunity.

    No, they didn’t. The most credible accounts say that around 70% of the populace need to be infected or vaccinated, and Sweden is nowhere near that. They’ve slowly come around to the same protocols as their Scandihuvian neighbors.
    Spain conducted a comprehensive antibody testing program and found that only around 5% of the population caught the virus. That’s nowhere close.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  436. #466 Most of the posters on this blog know less about science than Donald Trump does, which isn’t much. People on this blog parrot talking points from an article some idiot journalist wrote or quote items from the cdc website whose credibility is in tatters. Go read actual scientific papers from a variety of sources to get a true picture of the relevant science. But that won’t happen because that would be too difficult. If you could do that you would have STEM degrees.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  437. “STOCKHOLM—Sweden quickly became an object of the world’s attention for its decision to forgo a government-mandated lockdown to combat the coronavirus pandemic. Instead the country chose to lean on its high-trust culture and tradition of citizens independently following authorities’ recommendations.

    But there was one major overlooked problem with that approach—one that’s increasingly reflected in the country’s medical data: Sweden’s distinctive national culture and traditions, and the government’s efforts to amplify and support them, aren’t equally accessible to its increasingly diverse residents. The most segregated segments of the population are not as tuned in to the mainstream culture or to authorities’ messaging around the pandemic.

    Sweden’s Public Health Agency recently conducted a survey, the results of which were published on April 14. It showed that a disproportionate number of immigrants, in particular from Somalia, Iraq, and Syria, were among the COVID-19 cases registered at Swedish hospitals. For instance, while Somali Swedes make up just over half a percent of the national population, so far they make up nearly 5 percent of hospitals’ confirmed cases.

    The agency’s figures came hot on the heels of a survey by Stockholm health authorities, which showed that some of the capital’s immigrant-dense suburbs were among the hardest hit by the virus. The Rinkeby-Kista district in the north was the worst affected, with 238 confirmed cases as of April 6. That is the equivalent of 47 cases per 10,000 residents, which is more than three times higher than the regional average of 13 cases per 10,000 residents.“

    Immigrants are the hidden flaw in Sweden’s anti-lockdown policy

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/21/sweden-coronavirus-anti-lockdown-immigrants/
    _

    harkin (470cbb)

  438. that would be too difficult. If you could do that you would have STEM degrees.

    I did quite well in my college science & math classes, when I was pre-med. But then I realized that I didn’t feel at home in a lab or a hospital, and I wasn’t driven to do scientific research. It really frosted me when people thought I changed my major because I couldn’t cut it academically.

    So not everyone without a STEM degree is simply too stupid to understand a scientific paper, given some familiarity with the lingo and methods etc. But I freely acknowledge that the bulk of successful scientists are probably smarter than I am (Hi, Dave). And most of all, I will not try to tell any scientists that they are wrong in their own field of research.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  439. KIPP Charter Schools retires long-time ‘Work hard, be nice’ slogan in move to ‘dismantle racism’ because it ‘perpetuated white supremacy and anti-blackness’.

    https://americanmind.org/features/american-education/wokeness-comes-for-charters/
    __ _

    I would think assuming black kids are not capable of working hard or being nice is enabling racism.
    _

    harkin (470cbb)

  440. Harkin,

    Thats no surprise. I’d love to see detailed numbers from our border states about coronavirus cases, but we will never get real information on alien cases.

    As for the appeal to expertise, let me know when they stop “hiding the decline.”

    NJRob (dc84df)

  441. Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, in contrast, has repeatedly taken to Twitter to claim that local authorities are refusing to restore order—albeit with only vague references to which federal laws are not being enforced (and repeated allusions to “graffiti” and other property damage by “violent anarchists”).

    They seem to be hanging their hat on threats to the federal courthouse, but this may be coming from Donald Trump.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  442. Montagu at 2:44pm…

    Here’s your grifterman… gets his money any way he can…

    https://youtu.be/v1JNOAL5Kyc

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  443. that would be too difficult. If you could do that you would have STEM degrees.

    I had a friend who read books about physics for fun — along with poetry, music, art history, mathematics, just about everything. He was also pretty good at blindfold chess. Another friend who’s a biologist wondered why someone with such a keen understanding of scientific questions hadn’t become a scientist.
    There are some really smart people who don’t become scientists or get STEM degrees because they have different primary interests.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  444. Here’s the full clip with all the laughs…

    https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  445. 461… “hiding the decline”?

    More like riding the decline bareback…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  446. that would be too difficult. If you could do that you would have STEM degrees.

    The mentality of the born employee, the 9-5 Cubicle Dilbert.

    nk (1d9030)

  447. Here’s your grifterman… gets his money any way he can…

    BTW, your Keith Richards tune was pretty awesome, Haiku.
    I wish I could say the same about TYT, a group that was too “progressive” for MSNBC. My complaint about the Lincoln Project is that they’re saying “vote for Biden”, which doesn’t sound very Republican to me.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  448. 454. Then I guess it’s a good thing I don’t live in a state of covid cowards, isn’t it?

    Gryph (08c844)

  449. 322. asset (9b76cb) — 7/18/2020 @ 11:28 pm

    . The first major gun law was the sultan law in new york to disarm negros.

    Sulivan Law. In 1911. Named after a Tammany hall Assemblyman. And it was to allow the police to disarm Irish gangsters not affiliated with Tammany Hall. Or maybe Italians. African Americans were not a majot factor in crime in those days.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  450. Apologies to Bob Dylan

    Everything is Broken NeverTrump is Broken

    Broken lines, broken strings,
    Broken threads, broken springs,
    Broken finances, broken heads,
    People sayin’ they lost their cred
    There’s no use jivin’
    Ain’t no use jokin’
    NeverTrump is broken

    Broken bottles, broken plates,
    Broken switches, broken gates,
    Broken dishes, broken memes,
    Streets are filled with broken dreams
    Broken words never meant to be spoken,
    NeverTrump is broken

    Seem like every time you stop and turn around
    Something else just hit the ground

    Broken cutters, broken saws,
    Broken ladders, broken laws,
    Broken bodies, broken bones,
    Broken voices on broken iPhones
    Won’t drop that chicken, the one they’re chokin’,
    NeverTrump is broken

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  451. Give it up, Gryph. You spilled the beans in your comment 279:

    279. 276. Not in so many words. But she knows my mother-in-law and I are on each other’s sh!t lists. I told her I’d go back to visit her mom when I don’t have to stand and yell at her from outside the back door.
    Gryph (08c844) — 7/18/2020 @ 8:24 pm

    That’s why the police hate Miranda. They know that all they need to do is just keep the criminal talking. Sooner or later, he’ll give himself away.

    nk (1d9030)

  452. Sullivan Law. Bi Tim Sullivan. Actually a State Senator, not an assemblyman. There was another Tim sullivan, who wasn’t so tall.

    https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/big-tim-sullivan-tammany-kingmaker

    Soon bored with Washington, Sullivan left Congress and was nominated for the State Senate in 1908. By then, the Lower East Side he had represented was turning more heavily Italian (west of Broadway) and Jewish (east of Broadway), with the Irish and German populations that had been so dominant a few decades earlier receding in significance. During the administrations of two reformist, anti-Tammany mayors, Seth Low and William J. Gaynor, the police cracked down on vice, while the culture of the Bowery itself coarsened after 1909. Gang violence turned more lethal, and cheap flophouses proliferated…

    ….Even so, Sullivan supported what are now viewed as major items of progressive legislation. He was a longtime supporter of extending the franchise to women. He sponsored the Sullivan Law, which restricted possession of concealed firearms. And, after the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in 1911, he played a critical role in securing passage of a landmark state law limiting the working week for most women to 54 hours. He supported such legislation, Mr. Welch writes, even though a greater role for the state had the effect of reducing the significance of political clubs like Tammany that had provided jobs, housing and food to their supporters.

    He met a mysterious end.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  453. @460-
    And Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act which banned open carry in California to disarm Black Panthers. California has never looked back.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  454. Sorry-should be #470.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  455. 468… yes, that is a very good tune. I have to say I disagree with big Stones fan NorCal… Only Rock n Roll was a sign of decline… Beast of Burden? any song that’s covered by Bette Miller is automatically disqualified… much the same as what happened to Bowie’s Life on Mars, after Barbra Streisand chewed it up one side and down the other.

    Start Me Up is a good song. Haven’t heard the other one mentioned…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  456. The McCabe-Strzok version of “Jumpin’ Jack Flash” is the best cover of any Stones song ever.

    nk (1d9030)

  457. @458 Harkin, yes, that’s what my Swedish relatives have been telling me. Interestingly enough my Michigan relatives also said the same thing, except substitute Detroit.

    Colliente (05736f)

  458. I’m not that discerning of a Stones fan, Haiku, and lot of the tunes were interwoven with life experiences.
    She’s So Cold is a good song, not a great one, but we had a VW van packed packed full of frat bros and coeds on a four-hour roadtrip to Pasco for the hydro races; the beer was flowing, and we were singing that tune at the top of our lungs, several times over. At that moment, it was a great song.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  459. I’m not that discerning of a Stones fan, Haiku, and lot of the tunes were interwoven with life experiences.

    It’s funny how that last part works, lol. People, places, activities. I have a lot of the same memories.

    I have a friend who won’t/can’t listen to Canned Heat’s On the Road Again. Seems that song was playing on his radio when he had the mud kicked out of him by an old boyfriend (and two of the guy’s buddies) of a young lady he’d just started dating.
    When I busted out laughing after hearing of that, he said it’s a funny story now, not so funny when it happened.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  460. Mr M wrote:

    But this crop of Americans only knows “rights” and what they what, when they want it. As we see now.

    From 1776:

    Dr. Benjamin Franklin: Please Mr. Dickinson, but must you start banging? How is a man to sleep?

    [laughter from Congress]

    John Dickinson: Forgive me, Dr. Franklin, but must YOU start speaking? How is a man to stay awake?

    [More laughter]

    John Dickinson: We’ll promise to be quiet – I’m sure everyone prefers that you remained asleep.

    Dr. Benjamin Franklin: If I’m to hear myself called an Englishman, sir, I assure you I prefer I’d remained asleep.

    John Dickinson: What’s so terrible about being called an Englishman? The English don’t seem to mind.

    Dr. Benjamin Franklin: Nor would I, were I given the full rights of an Englishman. But to call me one without those rights is like calling an ox a bull. He’s thankful for the honor, but he’d much rather have restored what’s rightfully his.

    We have seen what happens when rights are not guaranteed and respected. people in the United Kingdom thrown into jail for “hate speech,” people in Europe jailed for Holocaust denial, and people in the United States put under house arrest without any due process of law.

    It doesn’t take all that much imagination to see what can happen if we decide that the good of the state outweighs individual rights. After all, the conviction rate in the United States is very high, so clearly, since almost everybody the police arrest wind up convicted of something, it would be much easier and better for society to go to a guilty until proven innocent standard, to save all of the expenses caused by trials.

    The feminists demanded, and President Obama granted, a system in which students charged with sexual assaults should be judged no on innocent until proven guilty, but preponderance of the evidence, along with a systemic refusal to grant the accused rights to confront his accuser, at least as far as college enrollment was concerned Hey, wasn’t that a good thing?

    The woke are trying to punish people for having Wrongthink opinions. Hey, since the woke are all about fighting raaaaacism, wouldn’t it really be a good thing to curtail that silly freedom of speech thingy, and clamp down on racism by clamping down on racist speech?

    So, yeah, some Americans do fight for our rights. You won’t know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone.

    The Dana in Kentucky (229a56)

  461. #481 — but when Trump gets his facts wrong — which he does with great frequency — that’s totally irrelevant.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  462. “YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK, Calif. (AP) — With no confirmed case of the coronavirus, Yosemite National Park appeared to be a safe haven from the pandemic.

    But tests of the park’s raw sewage have confirmed the presence of the virus, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Saturday, and dozens of people are believed to have been infected.“
    __ _

    Imagine thinking an entire National Park is virus-free.

    They still don’t understand the ratios of positive cases, symptoms, severe cases and deaths.

    It’s like they’re looking for reasons to panic.
    _

    harkin (470cbb)

  463. Twitter Deletes Donald Trump Video With Linkin Park Song Over Copyright Violation

    A Trump reelection campaign video soundtracked with a rendition of Linkin Park’s “In the End” was pulled by Twitter Saturday night, after the band filed a copyright-takedown notice demanding its removal.

    Linkin Park confirmed Saturday night it had taken action to remove the video. “Linkin Park did not and does not endorse Trump, nor authorize his organization to use any of our music. A cease and desist has been issued,” the group said in a statement on Twitter.

    Donald Trump had tweeted the video Saturday, which was previously uploaded by the White House’s head of social media on Friday……
    ……..
    Donald Trump and his campaign have been subject to frequent objections from artists demanding that he stop using their music in his ads or at his rallies. Those include the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, Panic! at the Disco, Pharrell Williams, R.E.M., Aerosmith, Adele, the Village People and Tom Petty’s family.
    …….
    More grifting.

    Rip Murdock (c3b99c)

  464. The New York Times ran a story in the Satirday, July 18, 2020 newspaper saying the FBI knew by January 2017 that the Steele dossier was wrong. (cause: Senator Lindsay Graham released documents)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/steele-dossier-peter-strzok.html

    Reacting to a line in the newspaper article that senior F.B.I. officials believed that Mr. Steele had a credible track record, Mr. Strzok wrote in the margins: “Recent interviews and investigation, however, reveal Steele may not be in a position to judge the reliability of his subsource network.”

    Note: That’s the Feb 14, 2017 NYT (online date)
    article
    that Comey denied was accurate to Trump and to Senators.

    Strzok probably wrote this at the request of Comey. I also think the subsource was lying to the FBI about what he told Steele was the surce of his information and that everything he told Steele was approved by Russian intelligence. It was lies to explain why Putin was supporting Trump. Russian intellligence did not know that Steele was working for the Democrats but thought he ws working for MI-5 or British Conservatives. It was done to maintain the confidence that Steele and MI-5 – they thought – had in his Russian sources and Russian information he got mostly in the 00s, but also some current economic information.

    ….Mr. Strzok’s annotations disputed the article’s premise and other aspects. He wrote, “We are unaware of ANY Trump advisers engaging in conversations with Russian intelligence officials.”

    Still, he also added, the bureau had identified contacts between Mr. Page and Russian intelligence officials before the campaign; contacts between an associate of Paul Manafort, the onetime campaign chairman, and Russian intelligence; and contacts between two campaign advisers, Jeff Sessions and Michael T. Flynn, and Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

    Eileen Murphy, a Times spokeswoman, said, “We stand by our reporting.”

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  465. Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 4:29 pm

    Um, Biden wasn’t there and Wallace wasn’t moderating a debate. Rather, he was being a journalist–not a Hannity hack tossing out softball questions–doing his job fact-checking a president who deals too much in FakeFacts. Monica Showalter may be an American, but she’s not a thinker.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  466. Hes just another talking head, no great oracle,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  467. 347. NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:25 am

    I’m shocked no one has discussed the insider hack on twitter,

    The problem was not too many people really utilize the open threads to start something. I have a few topics.

    It was;t an insider hack. The person who controlled so much of Twitter “Kent” was probably lying to his co=conspirators, who were not involved afer the first group of accounts were taken over.

    There are people who like to take control of early Twitter sccounts. Because maybe many of them were abandoned they can. And they buy and sell them. A lot fo these accounts were set up by computer geeks. One of them was @6.

    That was the first bstch. Possibly it was to prevent people from warning others.

    Then came accounts focusing on bitcoin. his is where a request for money was made. (send money and double will be returned)

    Then the third wave was celebrities with an enormous number of followers: Bill Gates, Kim Kardashian, Barack Obama Joe Biden.

    @realdonaldtrump was not taken over, possibly because there have been attempts before and it had special protection. Of course it also might have exploded the scheme faster.

    what a reveal that was in how someone can take control

    Or some foreign government spy agency.

    of major accounts and that they also have dedicated controls to shadowbanning and preventing hashtags from getting wider use.

    I didn’t read that part.

    Now they are all worried about someone taking over Joe Biden;s account on Election Day and…

    Saying he is conceding? Falsely saying lawyers have arranged for extension of voting hours? That might be a way to use it for political advantage. The particular ideas touted as to how it might be misused are not very useable.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  468. Trump said recent Supreme Court decisioon on DACA gives him more power, so he’s going to come out with executive orders on health care, immigration etc.. One element will be re-establishing DACA maybe with limitations.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  469. Gov of Colorado said (wile earlier he said mask order was uenforceable) he found out that counties with mask orders had 10% to 15% more people wearing masks, so he made an order.

    Scott Gottlieb on CBS estimated that only 70% of the people would abide by one and even then they would stick to it on;y 75% of the time they should.

    Sammy Finkelman (37a793)

  470. Remember he followed the same strategy as georgia, but wasnt tagged the human sacrofice governor

    Narciso (7404b5)

  471. #467. I don’t work in a cubicle. You have the diagnostic skills of a turnip.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  472. The reason we do not know as much about Covid-19 as we should is because from the very beginning the corrupt criminal traitor boy-toy of Roy Cohn (that would be Trump) has waged a wide-ranging campaign of concealment, lies, disinformation, and obstruction, and that’s a fact, Jack!

    nk (1d9030)

  473. Sammy,

    My concern with the Twitter hack is exactly what you said where the chaos involved by taking over a state or political feed is enormous. Plus, with their controls over directing who can view threads or what gets seen/trends, they have an enormous influence on the election. Doesn’t help that the media is a bunch of Twitter addicts.

    NJRob (ad3561)

  474. No xis puppet theo adhanom who covered up the matter,and his good pal fauci wasnt curious.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  475. Trump was the very first to cover for Xi, in February, lying to us, the American people, that Xi had the coronavirus under control, and sending China our national stockpile of PPE, and that’s another fact.

    As far as Fauci goes, his only sin is that he did not lie and obfuscate as much as Trump wanted him to, so Trump sidelined him, and now the entire CDC, from the information chain.

    Trump is a corrupt criminal traitor who should be put on trial for mass murder. Half the country already knows that, and in the coming months half of the remaining half will come to know it too.

    nk (1d9030)

  476. if we didnt test whether people were still breathing failmerica would have almost no deaths from the fake chineser virus mr nk

    its obvious to anyone willing to do the analysis

    Dave (1bb933)

  477. Narciso and nk are both wrong:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/dr-birx-told-trump-april-coronavirus-was-going-away-nyt-2020-7

    The article’s photo should be captioned: “That one time I tried to find out if that one berry/juice saying was true. Or perhaps this cuts to the chase.

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  478. I don’t know how I’m wrong. Trump paid a woman (with taxpayer money) to tell him what he wanted to hear and she did. It’s not Austin Powers, it’s that scene in “The Mechanic” where Jill Ireland reads Charles Bronson a letter she wrote him.

    nk (1d9030)

  479. And Trump did not even have to tell Birx she reminded him of his daughter. Or did he?

    nk (1d9030)

  480. But if someone sees a pickup truck with red-black-gold stickers reppin these provinces, it’s a hate crime not Centra Valley, Cicero IL or Gwinnett County GA “flair”:

    http://news.yahoo.com/german-states-appeal-u-congress-171345550.html

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  481. Well of course, part of making it to your golden years Florida experience is avoiding injury, malady and chronic comorbidities which cut into your income and keep you addicted to high octane state medic-___, free food and LiHeap up north. Georgia’s a young man/”playa’s” state – that’s their ticket re low CV mortality.

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  482. Vote for your favorite maggot!

    Telly Savalas.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  483. Never heard of him.

    nk (1d9030)

  484. Maybe he’s considered a stereotype, a scenery chewing Greek-American equivalent of a “coon”. On the other hand, one must also cite a saying attributed to Joe Pesci: “It is better to be typecast than not cast.”

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  485. Sigh. “Never heard of it” was Donald Sutherland’s put-down of a soldier when Donald Sutherland, pretending to be a general, asked the soldier where he was from and the kid said said “Someplace, Flyover Country”.

    nk (1d9030)

  486. Donald sutherland the leading panther and sds supporter on the west coast after jane fonda

    Narciso (7404b5)

  487. My lasting impression of Georgia: there on a week-long business trip to ATL metro area in ‘94, one late afternoon went with a couple of colleagues to an eatery that specialized in hot chicken wings, ordered ‘em with “atomic” sauce… sitting across from my two friends in a booth next to a couple of locals who were talking a little loudly… was served the wings and a brew and we were all listening in on the local’s discussion… right around the part where the one fellow said, “so I walked to muh truck, reached under the seat for my .45, put it in my jacket, walked back over to that idiot, pulled the gun out and said, ‘so what you got to say now, you son of a b*tch?’… I saw my colleagues’ eyes get real wide, I halted a spew of a mouthful of atomic chicken mixed with beer, but just about ruined my nose in the effort.

    Good times…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  488. Weird that Jack Bauer came from that…Tom Kirkman and Brat Pack wannabe straggler,sure.

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  489. A talented actor, no doubt but he plays a villain ie outbreak and hunger games a little too well, the mirror image is john voight who also was on the left.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  490. I had read the book and then the MAD Magazine parody of the movie and then finally saw the movie and thought that it basically sucked.

    But maybe deliberately badly-made movies were the trend then? I just watched “The Love Bug” on the Disney Channel and Michelle Lee is perfectly mascaraed, eye-lined, and eye-shadowed, but shows a peach fuzz lady moustache. Weird.

    nk (1d9030)

  491. Nathanson wrote a follow up novel with aaron banks one of the founders of the green berets set in where else indochina.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  492. nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:09 pm

    I like Kelly’s heroes. The strangest movie I saw with Donald Sutherland was Fellini’s Casanova.

    felipe (023cc9)

  493. Maybe that’s it, felipe. “Kelly’s Heroes” was much superior. I went out looking for that song Harry Dean Stanton was playing on the jewsharp. I bought this version later: Rusty Kershaw playing it on the dobro.

    nk (1d9030)

  494. Daily Caller
    @DailyCaller
    ·
    NOW: Rioters are looting an Amazon store in Seattle

    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1284988892471599104?s=20
    __ _

    Jeff Conder
    @JeffConder1

    As a mostly non-black crowd holds signs that say Black Lives Matter the same participants loot an Amazon store. Anarchy in it’s purest form under the guise of the BLM movement/riots/protests/crime wave
    __

    Amazon learning that paying them off won’t help.
    _

    harkin (5af287)

  495. Daily Caller could at least read the full story from Fox, instead of just the clickbait: https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-rioters-looting-amazon-store-officers-injured

    nk (1d9030)

  496. On first glance, this looks like an assassination attempt on an Obama-appointed federal judge in NJ, perhaps by going at her husband and son. Tragically, her son was the one who was murdered and her husband is in critical but stable condition. And there’s this:

    It is not immediately clear who the target of the shooting was. Salas had been the target of threats, the Globe has learned.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  497. Yes but is it the kind the left is hoping for…reminds me of the Judge Joan Lefkow incident in Chicago- husband killed, white supremacist suspected, but murderer was losing party in a medical malpractice suit she presided over.

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  498. What did they think would happen when the police is awol.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  499. nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:45 pm

    Nice tune, nk. I think then you’d like this tune.

    felipe (023cc9)

  500. Maybe he’s considered a stereotype, a scenery chewing Greek-American equivalent of a “coon”. On the other hand, one must also cite a saying attributed to Joe Pesci: “It is better to be typecast than not cast.”

    Nope. “Who loves you, baby?” Personally, with a Mexican playing the most famous movie Greek (Zorba) and a Greek playing the (then) most famous Puerto Rican (West Side Story), it was good to have a Greek playing a Greek.

    nk (1d9030)

  501. Nice, felipe.

    nk (1d9030)

  502. What did they think would happen when the
    police is awol.
    Narciso (7404b5) — 7/19/2020 @ 7:59 pm

    Or diverted to pendejadas i.e. protecting Columbus statuary from bloodthirsty NPC, a salient concern/legit taxpayer request in Tony Soprano country.

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  503. Wrong story, but still a possible consequence of reduced/diverted law enforcement resources.

    urbanleftbehind (278ee7)

  504. Assassinating a federal judge, or attempting to, is uncommon but typically will get the highest priority from the federal government. To involve the family is even more uncommon.

    DRJ (aede82)

  505. This is pure speculation, but the judge had been threatened before and the shooter was dressed up like a FedEx guy (indicating a degree of planning), so I’m guessing it’s mob related but, who knows, this has been a nutso year. The guy could also be a mental case or have some bizarro politico-racial agenda.

    Paul Montagu (5ffc5f)

  506. Colonel Haiku @476,

    Do yourself a favor, and check out Doom and Gloom, which is the Stones best song since Start Me Up. Extra points if you recognize the woman in the video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWiB7ZuLvI

    norcal (a5428a)

  507. Her husband, Mark Anderl, 63, a criminal defense attorney and former Assistant Essex County Prosecutor, is in critical but stable condition after undergoing surgery at Robert Wood Johnson Hospital in New Brunswick.

    Quite possible the husband is the target with that work history as Essex isn’t exactly the best area with Newark and Livingston as part of the county.

    This hits a little too close to home. Hope they deal with the murderer appropriately.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  508. It doesn’t matter who the target was. It could have even been the shooter thought someone else lived there. The fact that a federal judge lives there makes this a highest priority case.

    DRJ (aede82)

  509. Agreed DRJ. Though I think premeditated murders should always be a highest priority case.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  510. On a related topic, an interesting law and order article:

    Everything You Don’t Know About Mass Incarceration

    Contrary to the popular narrative, most American prisoners belong behind bars.

    DRJ (aede82)

  511. I like Kelly’s heroes.

    “Make a DEAL…”

    “What kind of deal?”

    “A DEAL deal… maybe the guy’s a Republican”

    Dave (1bb933)

  512. I read the nba will join the Taliban as China has asked. Nike has no problem having those prisoned muslims making tenny shoes. Can we burn Portland to the ground, please.

    mg (8cbc69)

  513. NJRob, now that you had a night to sleep on it and a day to look for it, any chance you found that lie you accused me of?

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  514. Not a shred of capitalism in what has been done to the Red.skins. But you knew that. Leftists using their power to destroy and intimidate. They know how to do that well.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  515. The market did not decide. Political pressure from leftists did.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  516. “Not a shred of capitalism in what has been done to the Red.skins. But you knew that. Leftists using their power to destroy and intimidate. They know how to do that well.”

    “The market did not decide. Political pressure from leftists did.”

    Great analysis. Lurker and I both had detailed posts, and your response is “nuh uh”.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  517. So when called on your baseless accusation of dishonesty, just double down, huh? How very on brand for a Trumpkin.

    I’d say I’m surprised you didn’t call me Fake News. but the day’s not over yet.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  518. If you could do that you would have STEM degrees.

    I have a B.S. in physics from Harvey Mudd. You?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  519. I have a B.S. in physics from Harvey Mudd.

    My favorite Star Trek episode.

    (How often are you subjected to that awful joke?)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  520. Nevertrumpers be buying some lieawatha 2020 signs as biden can’t remember who he is.

    mg (8cbc69)

  521. This country is circling the drain, even nevertrumpers will have to pick a side, our side or suicide.

    mg (8cbc69)

  522. Nope, sorry, mg. I only eat chickens.

    nk (1d9030)

  523. And now you know why Trump does not feel he needs to wear a mask.

    Russia’s elite given experimental coronavirus vaccine for months: report

    Note that it’s Fox News.

    nk (1d9030)

  524. Members of Russia’s business and political elite have allegedly been given access to an experimental vaccine against the novel coronavirus since April, according to a report on Sunday.

    Several hundred people, including top executives, billionaire tycoons and government officials have received shots of the Gamaleya vaccine, developed by the state-run Gamaleya Institute, people familiar with the effort told Bloomberg.

    nk (1d9030)

  525. “I’ll be right eventually. I will be right eventually. You know I said, ‘It’s going to disappear.’ I’ll say it again,” Trump said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

    but…..

    “I don’t agree with the statement that if everyone wore a mask, everything disappears,” Trump said

    noel (4d3313)

  526. 554

    Nothing to see here

    No! You expect me to believe PJ Media located a left wing nutjob? My pearls! Fetch my fainting couch!

    Here’s more shocking news for you, Narciso, but get a hold of something sturdy before I tell you: She’s not the only one!!

    Wake me when the President goes 10 words without lying, or as long as I’m asking the impossible, does something useful.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  527. This is why there has been 51 days of rioting in portland.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  528. Pretending that there is no pandemic. How is that working for Georgia and Florida, Gryph? Brag while you can.

    noel (4d3313)

  529. The problem isn’t that there are left-wing nutjobs. Or right-wing nutjobs.

    The problem is that one of them is currently president.

    Dave (1bb933)

  530. Not a shred of capitalism in what has been done to the Red.skins. But you knew that. Leftists using their power to destroy and intimidate. They know how to do that well.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2020 @ 10:50 pm

    People that have an opinion are making that opinions known. That and 3$ will get them a nice coffee.

    The Billionaire that owns the thing is considering using his property rights to change the name.

    Communists that don’t believe in the free market are complaining that someone gets to do what they want with their property.

    You’re not even saying you like the name. You’re just upset that the owner is able to decide what they want to do with it and they’re basing that decision on wrongthink.

    Time123 (b4d075)

  531. #StoptehStupidandMeaningless

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  532. #287 “The mask, in case someone has missed the memo, is not to protect the wearer so much as to make it much more difficult for them to infect others if they are in the asymptomatic incubation period. So, not wearing a mask is reckless endangerment and should be charged as such.” So Kevin, since you have a BS in Physics, you should be able to research the design of various kinds of masks and understand their limitations in various environments under wide ranges of humidity. Given the data with regard to network effects, patterns of infection and population densities, and infection densities, you would then understand that statewide mask mandates are ridiculous and counterproductive. You would also understand that the idea of not wearing a mask as reckless endangerment is only valid in a limited set of circumstances. Your statement is clearly over the top, and should not be made without the appropriate qualifiers to an uneducated audience.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  533. I remember when a Sambo’s restaurant opened in West Seattle, back in the late 1970s. It wasn’t protesters or swarms of liberals that caused the restaurant to close after a few years and become a Denny’s. It was a growing recognition among the almost 100% whitebread residents of our lunchbucket community (at least it was back then) of the racist signals it was conveying, and they were uncomfortable walking into a diner with that name and that sign with that smiling nappy-haired black kid. It was the free market that caused the restaurant to close, not politics or political pressure. And that’s fundamentally how free markets work, because Sambo’s thought they could make money with their racist-looking product and the people didn’t want it.
    It wasn’t going to get better with Dan Syder, and his team has a well-documented racist legacy. It’s not just FedEx (and stadium naming rights are worth around $8 million a year). There are other advertisers as well. Someone is going to slap an ad on the empty socially distanced stadium seats, and Snyder is going to lose ad revenue on that and a thousand other things. It may come to a point where black players might think twice about signing with the team, thus putting them at a competitive disadvantage.
    A good capitalist would try to broaden his product’s appeal as much as possible, reaching the most paying customers as possible. Snyder wouldn’t be a good capitalist if he didn’t make the change.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  534. “You’re not even saying you like the name. You’re just upset that the owner is able to decide what they want to do with it and they’re basing that decision on wrongthink.”

    He’s mad that someone he doesn’t like is getting a “win”.

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  535. Here is an example of how you would put together an effective mandate. There now exists plenty of Covid – 19 data for every county in the country. Given the data you can measure time to double for cases and deaths. The reason you choose time to double is because, unlike R0, it is directly observable. Once you have this data you can identify those counties that are significant hotspots, and those counties that have a high potential of becoming hotspots in the future. You could then set threshold criteria for when mandates should be implanted, what kinds of mandates, and when they should be removed.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  536. You could even tailor the mandates based on the risk characteristics of the populations in each county, such as age and other known risk factors.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  537. @565, that’s probably it.

    Time123 (b4d075)

  538. Implemented not implanted

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  539. Supporting the destroyers of civilization. How very progressive of you.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  540. like the folks in the library tower on independence day,

    narciso (7404b5)

  541. Supporting the destroyers of civilization.
    I’m sure civilization will survive changing the name of a very mediocre (3-13) football team.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  542. https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/lincoln-project-election-season-grift/

    This makes sense when one examines the Lincoln Project’s FEC filings. To date, the group has spent nearly $100,000 for “fundraising consulting services” with the Katz Watson Group. That firm’s founder, Fran Katz Watson, is a lifelong Democratic operative who previously worked as the national finance director for the Democratic National Committee. The firm’s long list of left-wing clients includes the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Beto for Senate. In addition, the Lincoln Project has spent large sums contracting with Elrod Strategies, the firm run by Adrienne Elrod, former director of strategic communications for Hillary for America, and has paid Zachary Czajkowski handsomely for “political strategy.” Czajkowski’s resume includes work for Barack Obama, former Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton, and disgraced former California representative Katie Hill.

    If a group of unemployed strategists were looking to shape a persuasive center-right critique of Trump and his allies, these are not the talents they’d turn to. If, on the other hand, the aim was to open up anti-Trump wallets on the left, they couldn’t pick a better team. The Lincoln Project’s communications director is Keith Edwards. He previously worked on communications for Mike Bloomberg’s run in the Democratic presidential primary and as a staffer for New York City Council speaker Corey Johnson, also a Democrat. Johnson is on record as trying to kick a Christian relief organization, Samaritan’s Purse, out of New York City, after its staff set up a field hospital in Central Park at the height of the coronavirus pandemic. Never mind that these volunteers were risking their lives to help others; Johnson alleged that its presence was “painful” to “all New Yorkers who care deeply about the LGBTQ community.”

    The Lincoln Grifter Project.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  543. 565, 568… He’s mad that someone he doesn’t like is getting a “win”.

    That’s rich coming from a lefty, lol…

    Colonel Haiku (5243a2)

  544. Haiku, all I’m doing is letting people expose themselves. It’s up to them to realize it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  545. @#564, Paul, at what point is it hypersensitivity? Clearly Fedex was comfortable enough two decades ago to purchase the naming right to the stadium and have been fine with the association when lawsuits were filed and the matter was previously public. I would speculate that not a lot has changed with Native American opinion on the matter…it still appears that a minority of Native Americans are bothered by this. Certainly the intent of the Washington team is no more racist than is the intent of the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, or Florida State Seminoles….where logos and tomahawk chants are at least comparably offensive.

    So something changed to motivate Fedex, right? I guess it’s low hanging fruit…that can make them look like they are doing something about racism…without having to actually do much. I mean it’s gotta be cool to eye gouge Dan Snyder. But where does the purity test end? A lot of teams out there are nicknamed Warriors….is that too close as well? Intent should matter….and I never saw racist intent behind the Washington nickname….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  546. Supporting the destroyers of civilization.
    I’m sure civilization will survive changing the name of a very mediocre (3-13) football team.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/20/2020 @ 8:47 am

    No way! Comrade NJRob is correct. The Redskins have always been a lynch pin of western democracy. If they change that name other institutions will be sure to fall and soon we might even have to endure miscegenation, allow the Irish to live above ground or let women have the vote. It’s a slippery slope for sure.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  547. AJ, honestly the whole thing looks silly to me. Since there’s not a lot of native american’s bothered by this i don’t think it’s a big deal. So I think the people pushing for the change are silly. I think the people up in arms about the change are even more silly, they can’t even articulate a reason why they want the name to stay unchanged.

    Time123 (d1bf33)

  548. 575… between their need to be perceived as heroic and their love of teh dance, it’s a dance, monkey, dance kind of thang…

    Colonel Haiku (5243a2)

  549. It’s this, basically

    https://i.imgflip.com/48uq3g.jpg

    Davethulhu (5814c1)

  550. I tend to agree….though I do have some…at least a little bit…. of empathy for fans who have rooted for a team all of their lives….to now suddenly be forced to change their language and fan gear because….in effect…sensitivity. Solving police use of force problems is a tough challenge…much harder than simply removing police funding that could go for more police training and community outreach…and perhaps merit pay for those without complaints (ok, that was my off the cuff thought). But doing meaningful things…has been replaced by doing these feel-good things….that do little to change racist sentiments. If anything, they tend to separate us further….as people eye-roll when the next Jefferson/Washington monument is attacked. I’m not going to argue that nostalgia is sufficient reason to not change the name….the Bullets did become the Wizards….and fans survived….but I empathize with the initial abruptness of it all

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  551. I tend to agree….though I do have some…at least a little bit…. of empathy for fans who have rooted for a team all of their lives….to now suddenly be forced to change their language and fan gear because….in effect…sensitivity.

    I haven’t seen anyone on this thread made that argument.

    Time123 (653992)

  552. https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-judges-son-shot-killed-husband-injured-attack/story?id=71871708&cid=social_twitter_abcn

    The suspect was later found dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound near Liberty, New York, multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News. A municipal employee discovered the body in a car.

    The deceased suspect was an attorney who had a case before Judge Salas in 2015, sources said.

    A FedEx package addressed to Judge Salas was discovered in the car, sources said. The suspect who opened fire at the New Jersey home of US District Judge Esther Salas died by suicide near Liberty, NY, multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News.

    The suspect was found dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound near Campsite Road and Berry Brook Road in Sullivan County, the sources said. A municipal employee discovered the body in a car.

    The deceased suspect was an attorney who, sources said, had a case before Judge Salas in 2015.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  553. The parallels with the attempted murder of Judge Joan Lefkow in Chicago in 2005 are remarkable. The killer had been the plaintiff in a medical malpractice case which Lefkow had dismissed. He went to her home to kill her, but only found and killed her husband and her mother. He got away but very shortly after killed himself.

    nk (1d9030)

  554. So Kevin, since you have a BS in Physics, you should be able to research the design of various kinds of masks and understand their limitations in various environments under wide ranges of humidity. Given the data with regard to network effects, patterns of infection and population densities, and infection densities, you would then understand that statewide mask mandates are ridiculous and counterproductive

    davemac,
    Kevin didn’t say the masks are perfect, or that all masks are perfect. It is common sense that masks help, and better masks help more. Maybe in a perfect world, we could know the perfect mask for each situation and supply everyone, but this is a bit of a challenging year. Just do the best you can. If the best mask you can get is surgical, fine. If it the best mask you can get is an n95, great. Statewide mask mandates are impossible to enforce, but take the heat off the little guy. Instead of screaming at the worker bee at 7/11, you can rant at your governor. That is, actually not ridiculous or counterproductive, since we know this is an imperfect situation. If the cops try to actually give tickets for this thing, that is indeed stupid. If someone is going to make a federal case out of this, fine, let them go without their freedom stealing mask. Whatever. But most people aren’t idiots so the mask mandate saves lives.

    Dustin (064e00)

  555. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/world/asia/china-mask-forced-labor.html

    Support slavery. Wear a chinese mask.

    Why are we not boycotting all their exports yet?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  556. Why are we not boycotting all their exports yet?

    Ask Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  557. Paul, at what point is it hypersensitivity?

    That is the question, AJ. I’m too lazy to look for it, but I think there was another survey of Native Americans, and a strong majority were not offended by the Red.skins name, just like a similar survey a decade or so ago. Most of the American Indians appear to be concerned about bigger things, like prospering while keeping their native identity, which speaks well about their community.
    So what this really comes down to is how corporations deal with their PR image, where a growing segment of the populace has become disenchanted with a name and a logo. FedEx is in a competitive world where they’re trying to gain market share against UPS, etc. They can spend their money on another stadium with a less controversial name and get more bang for their advertising buck. It’s hard to see where capitalism doesn’t underpin all of this.
    I also see this: Now that the SJWs have gotten Snyder’s scalp (ban pun intended), they’re not going to stop there. They’ll pick another mascot and start up the Outrage Machine all over again, and they’ll probably overreach to the point of ridiculousness, thus damaging their causey cause, so I don’t see this as some sort of groundswell.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  558. The main thing I found interesting about the Red.skins name change is that this wasn’t driven by boycott threats, but rather by a coalition of shareholders. Very different MO than what’s happened in the past.

    Davethulhu (05bf21)

  559. This guy’s no Sarah Cooper, but he’s good enough. The soundtrack is actual comments from a South Florida mask ordinance town hall.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  560. “It is common sense that masks help, and better masks help more.”

    If one looks at the pandemic as a time-varying dynamical system with lots of uncertainty, time lags, imperfect measurements, imprecise control actions, and parameter variations (across locations, age groups, and socio-economic groups), it is an excruciatingly complex optimal control problem….which is why I somewhat chuckle when people complain about model accuracy and control efficacy. However, an uncertain model is still better than no model because we have some basic understanding on the dynamics of infection spread….and can dynamically estimate parameters like the transmission and recovery rates. Masks impede transmission….not perfectly….but used in conjunction with distancing and sanitizing….are what we can do. Even Sweden with a more hands-off approach, still asked for voluntary distancing. They were shooting for herd immunity while not “killing” their economy….but they didn’t end up coming out much better on either mortality rates or economic wellness. Infections spread…more movement and interaction…more transmission. Aberdeen, South Dakota may operate with a different beta transmission rate but it’s certainly not zero. I would hate to go to a baseball game with players from a different state and inadvertently spread the virus around town because of some odd perception of how germs spread.

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  561. That’s also a good point. If everyone is wearing masks, it actually helps the economy.

    Dustin (064e00)

  562. Support slavery. Wear a chinese mask.

    Why are we not boycotting all their exports yet?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:28 am

    I agree we should boycott China over human rights. For example the concentration camps. Step one is to vote against Trump, who supported these camps. Trump does deflect with China a lot, but he’s had a lot of time to do something about it and it seems mainly about crude economics, not human rights, to him.

    Dustin (064e00)

  563. Dustin, you have no clue what you are talking about. The perfect mask is a straw man argument and not relevant.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  564. Statewide mask mandates are counterproductive because you are forcing county populations to wear masks where the marginal utility is close to zero and the populations involved know it because they haven’t been wearing masks for months, the number of infections is low and the time to double is 8 to 10 weeks. All this does is convince large numbers of people that their government is incompetent.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  565. The New Jersey fella who shot Judge Salas’ husband and son is Roy Den Hollander, a “well-known men’s rights attorney and self described ‘anti-feminist’”, and he could be a murderous litigious Trump sniffer.

    In 2016, Hollander sued various national news reporters in the U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, including Chuck Todd of NBC’s Meet the Press, New York Times’ commentator David Brooks, and Major Garrett of CBS. He accused them of violating the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act by allegedly committing “wire fraud” because he wrote they created and caused “to be broadcast and disseminated false and misleading news reports concerning the Donald J. Trump candidacy for President of the United States. You can see the full complaint here.

    Last year, Den Hollander argued before Judge Salas in a male-only military draft case, which she dismissed. Doesn’t sound like a motive for murder to me. Still lots of questions.

    Paul Montagu (0a7316)

  566. Each mask has a parametric operating region where it is effective. Depending on the environment and the user the effective operating region can shrink rapidly and actually go to a null set. Depending on the population and the environment you can get over 50% of the population wearing useless masks. At this point, the utility of slowing the infection using masks gets very low.

    1DaveMac (16cd0f)

  567. nk (1d9030) — 7/19/2020 @ 5:23 pm

    Trump was the very first to cover for Xi, in February, lying to us, the American people, that Xi had the coronavirus under control,

    Trump may thought it was close, and could have hoped Xi would want to live up to that reputation and if he didn’t flatter him Xi would have no reason to try to contain it. Some way he was still hoping to salvage a trade agreement.

    Trump’s not pro-China here: (you get Trump’s economics, though)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo0b–9zDjE

    There seem to be some irrelevant captions here.

    (the pro-Trump comments on this video are ridiculous, but that’s probably due to how people came to this video. I think it’s it’s via a pro Falun Gong channel.

    Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44)

  568. Some of the time the video is only in one ear.

    Fox News interrupts the press conference to bring breaking news of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg in the hospital that day.

    At 25 minutes Trump says his actions saved “millions of lives”

    “Let him [Biden] define carbon because he can’t”

    His criticism about Biden platform is all about immigration.

    Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44)

  569. FWIW Biden has a chance to beat Trump in Texas because Trump may well be the least popular Republican on a national ballot in Texas in decades. Trump almost cost Cruz his race: Cruz led by 5-9 points before the Trump rally but barely won, and trailed all but the most damaged Republicans on the ballot.

    Further, Trump’s vote total in 2016 (against a very unpopular Hillary) was disappointingly thin, only slightly more than Romney’s vote total in 2012 (despite 800,000 more Texans turning out to vote in 2016). Romney wasn’t that popular in Texas compared to the Bush and Reagan years but his percentage of the Texas vote dwarfed Trump’s. Analysts attributed the difference solely to candidate Trump among Texas conservative voters and IMO many of those voters are even less impressed in 2020.

    DRJ (aede82)

  570. For comparison, in Texas, Gov Abbott in the 2018 off year election got as many votes as Trump in his Presidential election against Hillary, despite 800,000 more Texans voting in 2016.

    Abbott 2018 Popular vote: 4,656,196; Percentage: 55.8%.

    Trump 2016 Popular vote: 4,685,047; Percentage: 52%.

    Texans still like Republicans but not as many like Trump.

    DRJ (aede82)

  571. 596. Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/20/2020 @ 11:49 am

    Den Hollander argued before Judge Salas in a male-only military draft case, which she dismissed. Doesn’t sound like a motive for murder to me. Still lots of questions.

    He is also suspected of having killed another person – not a pro-feminist but another men’s rights advocate – in California on July 11. That would sound like a kind of personal dispute or rivalry. Marc Angelucci was the vice president of the National Coalition for Men. Maybe Hollander had committed some kind of embezzlement or other crime and was about to be turned in?

    It’s another case of someone having murdered someone, and then figuring after that, he’s going to get caught, and he’s going to at least get life imprisonment, and therefore any subsequent murders he commits are free of consequences for him. Sp this was enough:

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dead-man-in-ny-may-be-tied-to-killing-of-nj-federal-judges-son-shooting-of-her-husband-sources/2521563

    In one of his books, he specifically blasted Salas by name as “lazy and incompetent” and said her only accomplishment was being a high school cheerleader.

    That was enough of a motive, because, for him, any murder after July 11 was “free.” So much so he didn’t even pay careful attention to who he was killing.

    Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44)

  572. An otherwise law abiding person was has just killed someone, and is not yet caught, but has no hopes of not getting caught is one of the most dangerous types of persons around. all murders to him, are “free.”

    The unusual thing is that, he didn’t get his hopes up after a week, but perhaps he was running out of money

    Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44)

  573. It sounds like a weirdo who went blood simple, that’s what it sounds like.

    At least the murderer of Judge Lefkow’s family in Chicago went insane after the death of his wife for which he blamed the doctors, and committed suicide in remorse and in the words of the note he left because he was sick of killing.

    nk (1d9030)

  574. Breaking: Trump contemplating sending 175 federal police to Chicago by the middle of next week.

    But there’s no demonstration or occupation and no federal courthouse in danger of being destroyed. I think.

    Or maybe it;s 150.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/20/homeland-security-planning-to-deploy-150-agents-to-chicago-this-week/#172d481b4146

    You get the feeling there are people trying to amend Trump’s orders to make them more rational.

    Sammy Finkelman (e5fb44)

  575. Cuban vs. Cuban. Haven’t these two been at it before?

    nk (1d9030)

  576. Opening day n the baseball season will be Thursday, New York Yankees versus the Nationals (games before that are preseason exhibition.)

    Dr. Anthony Fauci will throw out the first pitch.

    There are several rules changes:

    1) Designated hitter for National League teams.

    2) In extra innings teams start with a runner on second base.

    3) Relief pitchers (all pitchers?) must pitch to at least 3 batters befre being taken out of the game..

    It will be a 60-game season – 40 against teams in the same division and the remainingg 20 against teams in the same region in the other league/

    Sammy Finkelman (ae5747)

  577. DHS Authorizes Domestic Surveillance to Protect Statues and Monuments
    ……..
    A document provided to Lawfare on July 19 from the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Office of Intelligence & Analysis (I&A) describes personnel as “collecting and reporting on various activities in the context of elevated threats targeting monuments, memorials, and statues”—and it gives legal guidance concerning the “expanded intelligence activities necessary to mitigate the significant threat to homeland security” posed by such activities.

    The document, titled “Job Aid: DHS Office of Intelligence & Analysis (I&A) Activities in Furtherance of Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, Statues, and Combatting Recent Criminal Violence,” is not classified. Its three pages each bear the heading “UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.” But it clearly indicates that at least parts of the intelligence community are being tasked with monitoring and collecting information on some protest activities.

    …….. It is explicitly tied to President Trump’s executive order of June 26, 2020……
    ……..
    What kinds of collection and surveillance can DHS engage in for intelligence purposes generally? The rules spell out that:

    I&A personnel are required to use the least intrusive collection techniques feasible and sufficient when collecting [US person information] or when collecting intelligence or information within the United States. … I&A personnel are permitted to engage in physical surveillance, the use of mail covers, and the use of monitoring devices only to the extent permitted by and consistent with [rules limiting their use to counterintelligence investigations]. I&A personnel are not permitted to engage in electronic surveillance or unconsented physical searches. Use of these techniques within the United States will be coordinated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation….

    So in other words, protestors can reasonably expect that there will be ongoing DHS collection and analysis of public source information about—and likely the social media postings of—people involved in protests.

    ……..It identifies three “appropriate missions” for I&A activities with respect to protest activity:

    1. Threats to damage or destroy any public monument, memorial, or statue (MMS);
    2. Threats of violence to law enforcement personnel, facilities, or resources; and
    3. Threats to damage, destroy, or impede the functioning of other government facilities.

    ……..
    Indeed, the first of these missions is a bit jarring if you pause to think about it. We certainly did not anticipate when we read the executive order last month that the federal government would interpret it as defining the threat to deface monuments as a homeland security matter warranting domestic intelligence collection by the federal government against U.S. persons—even, say, a local public monument without a national profile. We suspect others did not anticipate that reading either.
    …….
    …….[A]n array of collection authorities [are] available when an I&A analyst has a “reasonable belief” supportable with “facts and circumstances” that can be articulated of any “Threats to damage or destroy any public monument, memorial, or statue.” That’s a pretty striking position for the federal government to be taking as a matter of both law and policy. Indeed, it’s difficult to understand the federal government’s interest in, or constitutional authority over, minor property damage to non-federal monuments on non-federal property.
    ……
    ……The memo makes clear that “Persons merely engaging in non-violent protest activities near MMS, or making hyperbolic statements about MMS likely do not constitute a threat to MMS” (emphasis added). Rather, it states, a “’threat to MMS’ means the infliction of any damage sufficient to impede the purpose or function of the MMS.”

    We will leave for another day the almost philosophical question of what level of damage might reasonably be said to impede the purpose or function of a statue. Suffice it to say that DHS analysts are now authorized to collect intelligence on threats to inflict such damage—though apparently not damage that falls short of impeding a statue’s “purpose or function,” whatever that may be.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  578. * 347 490. I wrote:

    The person who controlled so much of Twitter “Kent” was probably lying to his co=conspirators, who were not involved after the first group of accounts were taken over.

    Actually his screen name was “Kirk” The account profile, on Discord, was first activated on Tuesday, July 7.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/technology/twitter-hackers-interview.html

    He contacted a few people on Discord on Tuesday night, July 14, saying he worked at Twitter, and wanted them to help sell for him rare user names.

    The hack went on on Wednesday, with the second phase (takeover of bitcoin related accounts followed by well known acconnts with many followwrs) beginning at about 3:30 p.m. Eastern time

    There are people who like to take control of early Twitter sccounts.

    They call themselves O.G. short for “Original Gangsters.”

    Sammy Finkelman (375edc)

  579. Starbucks in th news again. For a company that doesn’t condone anti-police behavior, it certainly seems to happen there more than other places.

    DRJ (aede82)


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