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7/10/2020

BREAKING: Trump Commutes Roger Stone’s Sentence

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:01 pm



As corrupt as it gets:

Even Bill Barr said this was a righteous prosecution. But Trump recently maintained, in a statement literally nobody except his most rabid and senseless fans believe, that Stone was “framed.”

Dirty. Corrupt. Inexcusable.

Vote him out.

102 Responses to “BREAKING: Trump Commutes Roger Stone’s Sentence”

  1. November can’t come fast enough.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. This Friday afternoon skulduggery is becoming a thing.

    norcal (a5428a)

  3. As corrupt as it gets

    Color me skeptical. He still has six months.

    Dave (1bb933)

  4. Well if it it bothers people so much, take that same energy and initiative spent toppling and drowning statues and…or otherwise chill.

    urbanleftbehind (f9eb07)

  5. This couldn’t be more corrupt.

    “brought to you by the lock her up peanut brigade.” — Tomeka Hart, forewoman

    beer ‘n pretzels (9a8c11)

  6. Hold my Diet Coke, Dave Daca not Cacayoung Jonathan Banks must be at the Outer Banks or on the crapper.

    urbanleftbehind (f9eb07)

  7. My God, there goes the Rule of Law…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. Stone publicly says he has dirt on Trump but has been loyal. Trump commutes his sentence. Republicans are such corrupt and dishonest people.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  9. ETA, not all. But at this point I think it’s most. Definitely all the leaders

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  10. Stone publicly says he has dirt on Trump but has been loyal. Trump commutes his sentence. Republicans are such corrupt and dishonest people.

    Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:31 pm

    And it seemed quick. The perception is Trump is easily controlled by dirt.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  11. If people aren’t going to get mad at Trump for selling out our soldiers to the Russians, they certainly aren’t going to get mad at him selling out to Roger Stone.

    At this point I have outrage fatigue. My outrage meter has about maxed out. There’s probably something else that Trump could do that I would get more outraged about, but I’m not sure what it is.

    Nic (896fdf)

  12. 8… Mr. Tar has spoken.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. Thank God. Justice is finally done. Convicted by a jury led by a Trump hating Democrat forewoman, for process crime committed during a fake investigation of hoax: Trump-Russia collusion. People should read the actual document signed by Trump. Its a fiery denunciation of the whole sordid Mueller investigation and its fraudulent beginnings.

    And don’t forget Biden was up to his eyeballs in getting General Flynn and spying on the Trump campaign. Joe and Barrack made sure the “right people” were put on it. If Biden attacks this commutation, lets go back and see if criticized Obama and Clinton for commuting several FLN Terrorists and Killers, and Clinton for pardoning Marc Rich.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  14. Vote him out.

    So that Sleepy Uncle Joe can take his place? That’s not much of a choice.

    Gryph (08c844)

  15. Stone publicly says he has dirt on Trump but has been loyal. Trump commutes his sentence. Republicans Politicians are such corrupt and dishonest people.

    Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:31 pm

    FIFY.

    Gryph (08c844)

  16. No prison could hold him…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp_2embNSfQ

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. Obama and Clinton for commuting several FLN Terrorists and Killers,

    Did they personally benefit from pardoning those FLN guys?
    Because Trump personally benefits from this.[You referenced the Mark Rich. That is a near parallel. But the FLN are not.]

    Kishnevi (5d96c1)

  18. This couldn’t be more corrupt. https://t.co/xMLsEiNmAz

    — George Conway (@gtconway3d) July 10, 2020

    And who are you sleeping with?!?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. I though he was a fool, in part trusting randy credico with anything, but thats a criminal offense.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  20. How totally unexpected! And by that I mean totally expected. Trump said, a month or so ago, “Roger Stone is not going to prison” (or maybe he said “jail”). And my guess, also, was that it would be a commutation, for now, so that Stone could pursue an appeal. The pardon, or the Rule 48(a) motion if the conviction is reversed and remanded for a new trial, will come later.

    nk (1d9030)

  21. Did they personally benefit from pardoning those FLN guys?

    FALN. They felt they did. But, why is that relevant? If it was done for ideological reasons, would that have been better? What would’ve been a non-corrupt reason?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120277819085260827

    beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1)

  22. Here’s the full statement, from the official White House press release. You can kinda see where a certain Orangeotan started banging on the keyboard.

    Statement from the Press Secretary Regarding Executive Grant of Clemency for Roger Stone, Jr.
    Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Grant of Clemency commuting the unjust sentence of Roger Stone, Jr.
    Roger Stone is a victim of the Russia Hoax that the Left and its allies in the media perpetuated for years in an attempt to undermine the Trump Presidency. There was never any collusion between the Trump Campaign, or the Trump Administration, with Russia. Such collusion was never anything other than a fantasy of partisans unable to accept the result of the 2016 election. The collusion delusion spawned endless and farcical investigations, conducted at great taxpayer expense, looking for evidence that did not exist. As it became clear that these witch hunts would never bear fruit, the Special Counsel’s Office resorted to process-based charges leveled at high-profile people in an attempt to manufacture the false impression of criminality lurking below the surface. These charges were the product of recklessness borne of frustration and malice.
    This is why the out-of-control Mueller prosecutors, desperate for splashy headlines to compensate for a failed investigation, set their sights on Mr. Stone. Roger Stone is well known for his nearly 50 years of work as a consultant for high-profile Republican politicians, including President Ronald Reagan, Senator Bob Dole, and many others. He is also well known for his outspoken support for President Donald J. Trump and opposition to Hillary Clinton.

    Mr. Stone was charged by the same prosecutors from the Mueller Investigation tasked with finding evidence of collusion with Russia. Because no such evidence exists, however, they could not charge him for any collusion-related crime. Instead, they charged him for his conduct during their investigation. The simple fact is that if the Special Counsel had not been pursuing an absolutely baseless investigation, Mr. Stone would not be facing time in prison.

    In addition to charging Mr. Stone with alleged crimes arising solely from their own improper investigation, the Mueller prosecutors also took pains to make a public and shameful spectacle of his arrest. Mr. Stone is a 67-year-old man, with numerous medical conditions, who had never been convicted of another crime. But rather than allow him to surrender himself, they used dozens of FBI agents with automatic weapons and tactical equipment, armored vehicles, and an amphibious unit to execute a pre-dawn raid of his home, where he was with his wife of many years. Notably, CNN cameras were present to broadcast these events live to the world, even though they swore they were not notified—it was just a coincidence that they were there together with the FBI early in the morning.

    Not only was Mr. Stone charged by overzealous prosecutors pursing a case that never should have existed, and arrested in an operation that never should have been approved, but there were also serious questions about the jury in the case. The forewoman of his jury, for example, concealed the fact that she is a member of the so-called liberal “resistance” to the Trump Presidency. In now-deleted tweets, this activist-juror vividly and openly attacked President Trump and his supporters.

    Mr. Stone would be put at serious medical risk in prison. He has appealed his conviction and is seeking a new trial. He maintains his innocence and has stated that he expects to be fully exonerated by the justice system. Mr. Stone, like every American, deserves a fair trial and every opportunity to vindicate himself before the courts. The President does not wish to interfere with his efforts to do so. At this time, however, and particularly in light of the egregious facts and circumstances surrounding his unfair prosecution, arrest, and trial, the President has determined to commute his sentence. Roger Stone has already suffered greatly. He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man!

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  23. 23. In short, the Creed of The Church of Trump. Also totally unexpected, and that I mean totally expected, predictable, trite, and same-old-sh!t-different-day.

    nk (1d9030)

  24. BTW, this brilliant commentariat does not need to be told that “I did not snitch you out” implies “I can still snitch you out”, do you?

    nk (1d9030)

  25. Now some of his books are atrocious

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1281749895431544837

    Narciso (7404b5)

  26. @25 That was definitely written between the lines I was reading.

    Nic (896fdf)

  27. Even credico who is to the left of mao, didnt take the threat seriously.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  28. Mr. Stone is a 67-year-old man, with numerous medical conditions, who had never been convicted of another crime.

    Mr. Stone would be put at serious medical risk in prison. He has appealed his conviction and is seeking a new trial.

    Roger Stone has already suffered greatly. He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case.

    So there are no other imprisoned 67 year old men (or older) with underlying health conditions who are medically at risk while incarcerated? And no other imprisoned 67 year old with underlying medical conditions have suffered greatly, or been treated unfairly?

    It’s obscene that, during a pandemic, the President of the United States would single out his friend as being at risk, as if no one else is, and as if no one else has been treated unfairly. I feel that this is an egregious use of his position to bring up these points as part of the justification for commuting his sentence. And I’m not even talking about the actual crime itself.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  29. Since the 1970s, Stone worked on the campaigns of Republican politicians Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, Bob Dole, and Donald Trump.

    He is GOP; he is dark arts conservatism; means to an end.

    He is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. @19 Nah, Trump bought Kelly Anne honestly.

    @30 But is he a witch?

    Nic (896fdf)

  31. It’s obscene that, during a pandemic, the President of the United States would single out his friend as being at risk, as if no one else is, and as if no one else has been treated unfairly. I feel that this is an egregious use of his position to bring up these points as part of the justification for commuting his sentence. And I’m not even talking about the actual crime itself.

    Sorry, you lost me. Trump is justifying his commutation of Stone. Why would he talk about hundreds of other 67 y/o’s in prison? He’s not commuting his sentence SOLELY because of CV-19. The communtation lists all the other reasons, many, many reasons.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  32. Further, what is your point? That Trump shouldn’t pardon Stone because other 67 y/o’s are at risk for CV-19? Do you understand Trump can only commute sentences for people convicted of FEDERAL crimes?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  33. And my guess, also, was that it would be a commutation, for now, so that Stone could pursue an appeal

    And unlike a pardon, Stone can still plead the Fifth as a way of avoiding testifying.

    If Biden gets elected, he should give Stone a pardon on Jan 21 and then have him hauled before a grand jury.

    Kishnevi (5d96c1)

  34. Meanwhile kim gardner can serve as an endircer for susan rosenbergs rent a mob.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  35. Meanwhile…squirrel

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  36. Speaking of commuted sentences: terrorist Susan Rosenberg given freedom on Clinton’s last day in officer and now she currently assists black lives matters’s communist organization.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRV-34rdQBk

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  37. I like how they both got the Susan Rosenberg talking point and rushed over to share. It’s like a beautiful duet.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  38. 90% of republicans support trump. 80% of those republicans are populists not librarian conservatives. You were fooled into thinking wealthy republicans who could buy republican politicians and the conservative media and punditry class who are conservative libertarians represented most republicans. In 2016 you found out the hard way that when the republican majority was allowed to vote vote for a social conservative populist (or at least pretending to be one) that is what they wanted. Build the wall not conservative libertarian let in the illegals to pay low wages too and increase profits and ship the good paying jobs overseas. That is why trump could win ohio, michigan, iowa, pennsylvania and wisconsin and nearly minnesota. Bush barely won ohio in 2004 and none of the others. Mccain and romney couldn’t win ohio let alone those other states. Susan rosenberg is a lefty and was pardoned for that reason by a democrat just as stone, arpaio and the iran-contra traitors and drug pushers were pardoned for being republicans. Also most judges are political hacks too. That is how oliver north and charlie keating among many others skated out of the jaws of the legal system. The left and right practice mercy and forgiveness for their side and law and order for the other side. Not good news for the right as the left is gaining more and more power as their constituency grows with the ever increasing young minority voters loving AOC and hating you!

    asset (8c4534)

  39. That ignorant judge should be coated with tar and feathers and the same for that ignoramus pos judge idiot sullivan.

    mg (8cbc69)

  40. You people better run and hide because russia,russia,russia, no wait, scamdemic, scamdemic, scamdemic, are you in your basement yet? don’t forget your mask, mask holes.

    mg (8cbc69)

  41. You people better run and hide because russia,russia,russia, no wait, scamdemic, scamdemic, scamdemic, are you in your basement yet? don’t forget your mask, mask holes.

    mg (8cbc69) — 7/11/2020 @ 2:54 am

    If you think Covid is a scam what’s your alternative explanation for the large spike in total deaths that starts at the end of March?

    Don’t worry about any of the fancy stuff. Just look at the blue bars.

    Time123 (80b471)

  42. “November can’t come fast enough.” Patterico

    October. I won’t wait for November.

    noel (4d3313)

  43. I saw some polls recently that showed 2 to 1 disapproval of Trump’s handling of both the virus and race relations. You have to be really, really stupid to pull that off.

    noel (4d3313)

  44. Tantrumps.

    Stone commutation. Stupid. Calling Black Lives Matter mural “hate” and damaging to Fifth Avenue prestige. Stupid. Defending the Confederate flag. Stupid.

    There are no adults remaining in the White House. Just tantrumps.

    noel (4d3313)

  45. The fake outrage over this from the D’s like Schumer, Pelosi, and NYT/WaPo is laughable. These people don’t believe in the “rule of law”. They’ve made it clear they don’t think People on THEIR side should serve a day in jail, and cheer when FLN Terrorists are pardoned and have their sentences commuted. One hopes that Hilary will have enough decency to stay quiet after the Marc Rich Pardon. The other problem is that the D’s and the media (basically the same thing) have zero credibility left. They hate Trump and criticize EVERYTHING he does, so people have just tuned them out. Oh, you’re outraged by Trump’s pardon? You mean like you’ve been outraged every SINGLE DAY for the last 4 years?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  46. “You mean like you’ve been outraged every SINGLE DAY for the last 4 years?”… rcocean

    Yes. Yes. Yes.

    How you can overlook the faults of the Confederate President is beyond me.

    noel (4d3313)

  47. Romney, with another dose of concise common sense:

    Unprecedented, historic corruption: an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  48. It’s kind of funny the things that are important to people. If Trump were competent or effective or even conservative none of this would bother me much. Bill Clinton was a total sleaze when it came to women — or truth — but he was a fairly effective President. No one ever called him a moron or incompetent and he was effective at getting things done.

    That a politician is lining their pockets — within reason — is not a deal-breaker to me; I expect that all politicians are crooked to some extent. It’s the nature of the beast. But we put them in power to TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS and the most scrupulously honest President who cannot do that is worse than any crook.

    Of course, here, we have an incompetent crook so it’s bad from any perspective. The real crime though is that he prevents anyone else running from the Right side of the spectrum, leaving us with the terrible choice of an incompetent crook or a competent mamzer.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  49. Romney talks the big talk, but he won’t walk the big walk. He could have run, or at least threatened, an independent campaign, or even challenged Trump in the primaries. He did not. I will probably never forgive the GOP for squandering every chance for keeping this man out of the political system and avoiding the catastrophe(s) to come.

    Coming up in 2021: “Whose fault was it?”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. It’s tough for me to vote for a Democrat. I have never done it. But I have a few simple requirements for my vote.

    The candidate must be Pro-life. Some exceptions: Dictators and racists.

    I will vote Biden.

    noel (4d3313)

  51. noel can you imagine if the democrats just ran an actual moderate? Not moderate by their standards, where everyone who isn’t setting a police car on fire is a conservative, but a regular old school Texas blue dog like Ann Richards?

    The democrats see Trump as an opportunity, but I think they see the wrong one. The deeper need we have is to save the country from the divisive politicians. Oh well. At least they didn’t nominate Bernie.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  52. Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden

    Here’s my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.
    __ _

    Corey A. DeAngelis
    @DeAngelisCorey
    ·
    Wait. So you’ll allow low-income families to send their kids to private schools too?
    __ _

    proletaribits
    @realhottiepants
    ·
    sounds good i will get rich off of corruption
    _

    Newtles
    @Knewtles
    ·
    A pregnant stripper in every garage and a billion dollar loan from China in every pot.

    _

    harkin (5af287)

  53. I like how they both got the Susan Rosenberg talking point and rushed over to share. It’s like a beautiful duet.

    Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/10/2020 @ 11:38 pm

    What are you talking about? It’s always relevant when a terrorist is set free and even more relevant when that terrorist is involved in a modern communist group that is getting favorable press while trying to destroy the United States.

    I also had to post it from a 3rd party because YouTube took down the official link because they didn’t like terrorist affiliations to BLM being exposed. No agenda, right?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  54. Mitt Romney is 73, Kevin. He had his chance. He well demonstrated that he’s a lousy presidential campaigner who will probably lose if he tries.
    Jack Goldsmith has a great breakdown of Trump’s pardons/commutations.

    Donald Trump’s commutation yesterday of Roger Stone’s sentence was his most controversial exercise of the pardon power to date. The Stone commutation fit a pattern: Almost all of the beneficiaries of Trump’s pardons and commutations have had a personal or political connection to the president. This general pattern is well known. But we examined publicly available information to try to get some precise numbers. The result is this chart.
    We considered whether Trump’s pardons and commutations can be explained by one or more of four criteria: (1) Did it advance a clear political goal of the president?; (2) Did the person who was pardoned have a personal connection to Trump or someone Trump knows well?; (3) Was the person who was pardoned brought to the President’s attention by television or a television commentator?; (4) Was the pardon based on Trump’s admiration for celebrity? Interpretations in some cases were difficult. We tried to be cautious, and we linked to our sources.
    The bottom line: In 31 of the 36 Trump pardons/commutations, at least one (and often more than one) of these criteria were satisfied. Other presidents have of course issued what can be seen as self-serving pardons: George H. W. Bush’s pardon of Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger; Bill Clinton’s pardon of his brother Roger and of Susan McDougal, among others; and George W. Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby’s sentence. But no president in American history comes close to matching Trump’s systematically self-serving use of the pardon power.

    The chart is compelling. It won’t take long before history judges Trump as the most incompetent, most corrupt, most lawless, most ignorant and most dishonest president in American history, worse than any other.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  55. What are you talking about?

    The whatabouts are always out of left field, yet repeated in unison. They are always intended only to deflect, often with things that aren’t even controversial. It’s like you guys sing your excuses in a chorus. Your argument is that Trump’s corruption is OK because something unrelated happened and whatabout that? Obviously you won’t admit this is your argument. But you know it is.

    No agenda, right?

    Oh there’s an agenda. This is how you defend Trump for shooting a man on 5th avenue. That man happened to be a US Soldier in Afghanistan and the bullet was his deal with the devil in Moscow.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  56. Paul,

    You seem to think I care about the pardons. ALL POLITICIANS ARE CROOKS. Professional requirement. Some are just worse than others. My objections to Trump are based on incompetence, stupidity and general all-round lack of common-dog-fu*k. That the only viable alternative is the front man for a pack of power-crazed commies is a catastrophe. “Romney” is a stand-in for all the other people who could have put their lives, fortunes or sacred honor up as an alternative, but didn’t.

    I have been pissed about this since about February 2016. Electing a Democrat instead seems worse now than it did then, given how hard to the Left that party has moved.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  57. Meh… at least Trump didn’t cheese out by doing this on his last day of office.

    My “give-o-crap” meter isn’t moving much when the likes of HRC and her cronies obviously breaks classified handling laws….

    McCabe/Comey lies under oath too, yet no cases were brought.

    Or, when the likes of Clapper/Obama officials LIE under oath to congress…

    When Stone lies about his conversations about Wikileaks with the campaign and was convicted with witness intimidation that the witness HIMSELF stated that he didn’t consider it meaningful. When you think about it, Stone’s “transgressions” we’re small potatoes compared to the plethora of Democrats largely escaping their more serious transgressions.

    It boiled down to the fact that Stone was charged for political reasons and the Mueller team was looking for ANY scalp to justify their existence.

    whembly (c30c83)

  58. That man happened to be a US Soldier in Afghanistan and the bullet was his deal with the devil in Moscow.

    You prove your point with your assumptions.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  59. Let’s say that Biden beats Trump 60-40, wining every state but Mississippi.

    Which headline do you expect:

    1. “Nation repudiates Trump in landslide”

    or

    2. “Nation chooses Democratic Party agenda in landslide”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  60. Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:32 am

    So you’re fine with Weather Underground terrorists running the show? Bill Ayers would be proud. You’re so filled with hate about Trump you’d burn the entire world to the ground to beat him.

    No thanks. I refuse to join you in letting the left turn our last great hope, the shining city on the hill into the USSA.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  61. What he said…
    https://twitter.com/chuckrossdc/status/1281771177946611713?s=21

    If we take a 30,000 foot view of the Russia probe, Schiff falsely claiming there was evidence of collusion seems a bigger affront to justice than what Stone was charged with — which was lying about whether he talked w/ the campaign abt WikiLeaks. twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/…

    whembly (c30c83)

  62. So you’re fine with Weather Underground terrorists running the show? B

    LOL

    Yep you got me. Because I pointed out that your whatabout is a shameful attempt to change the subject from what the current president did just now, I am basically a terrorist. Well played.

    😎

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  63. You prove your point with your assumptions.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:35 am

    At a certain point, when Stone is actively saying he’ll snitch if he’s not commuted being a not-half-bad one, this isn’t really a partisan or political issue at all. It’s really just us vs them, good vs evil. I know that is superficially very similar to how fringe politics has always pretended to work, but it’s not how it actually works. This is a unique and critical point in our nation’s history.

    Which headline do you expect:

    1. “Nation repudiates Trump in landslide”

    or

    2. “Nation chooses Democratic Party agenda in landslide”

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:39 am

    Seriously recognize why this is not what’s important. Obviously democrats will always use Trump in the way that gives them max lefty value. That was my warning in 2016 because it’s not just predictable, it’s a law of nature. The institutions of our society will crumble if Trump manages to stay in power. Whether he’s re-elected is not even up for debate. We the people hate this guy.

    Dustin (b62cc4)

  64. 62… yes, but don’t impugn Schiff, he’s a real stand-up guy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  65. and 6AM raids with CNN cameras and coverage are just BAU, baby!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  66. Dustin,

    I mean that you assert (with as much proof as Trump has of his conspiracy theories) that Trump is Putin’s stooge then say how terrible it was that Putin (and TRUMP!!11!!) had a bounty on soldiers. Utter circular logic.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  67. We the people hate this guy.

    Perhaps. But does that mean we need to slit our throats?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  68. A pregnant stripper in every garage and a billion dollar loan from China in every pot.

    That’s the Kushners, you know that, right?

    nk (1d9030)

  69. no susan rosenberg’s renta mobs will do it for you,

    narciso (7404b5)

  70. 60.Let’s say that Biden beats Trump 60-40, wining every state but Mississippi.

    Let’s expect Trump to clip Biden 46-45 w/9 going to the perpetually disgruntled.

    Which headline do you expect:

    1. “Triumphant Trump”

    or

    2. “Joe Blows It.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. William Barr, June 10, 2020, on the “righteous” prosecution of Roger Stone:

    Yes. He– he was prosecuted while I was attorney general. I think the prosecution was righteous. And– I think the sentence that the judge ultimately gave– was fair.

    White House, June 11: It was nothing but a cruel and vicious political witch hunt!

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  72. All in the service of Truth and Justice:

    Stone is Trump’s 36th pardon/commutation, a record low number, by far, for the modern presidency. An unusually high number of these (31/36 by my count), like Stone’s, were based on a personal or political connection.

    And:

    [Trump] has almost entirely bypassed/ignored the pardon attorney in DOJ who is supposed to vet and recommend pardons. Past presidents have done this occasionally, Trump has done so as a way of life, to paraphrase Bolton.

    IOW, Trump uses presidential power in the way his routine public pronouncements would lead a person to expect — selfishly and with no regard for ordinary rules and norms. Then his acolytes proceed to dress it up as a matter of high principle.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  73. that very unfair mr nk

    its really more of a hobby for ivanka

    Dave (1bb933)

  74. Let’s expect Trump to clip Biden 46-45 w/9 going to the perpetually disgruntled.

    Which headline do you expect:

    “Trump claims landslide”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  75. Then his acolytes proceed to dress it up as a matter of high principle.

    Disregard for the rules and norms IS “high principle” for Trump. And, to be fair, it wasn’t people who liked the status quo that voted for him.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  76. As for Trump being Putin’s stooge, don’t you think Putin would want higher quality help?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  77. And, to be fair, it wasn’t people who liked the status quo that voted for him.

    Indeed. It was people who liked the status quo 50 years earlier.

    Like Deezy-Eska.

    Dave (1bb933)

  78. As for Trump being Putin’s stooge, don’t you think Putin would want higher quality help?

    Someone who could think for themselves? Of course not.

    Dave (1bb933)

  79. so passing around hillary’s dirty laundry, bad, passing around diplomatic and signals intelligence, pulitzer worthy, I try to grok the logic, admittedly pretending he was secret channel for wikileaks was stupid, but criminal, unlike maintaining an insecure server which compromised secrets to dozens of nations, that is prima facie illegal,

    narciso (7404b5)

  80. no the provenance of said data is said to have been ascertained by crowdstrike, which the ceo himself admitted it wasn’t verifiable, this is why the concord catering case also fell apart,

    narciso (7404b5)

  81. 78. ROFLMAOPIP; welcome to 1964, Davey– you’re still one of ‘Barry’s Boys…’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-8Q79U1qk

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. had goldwater been elected, we probably wouldn’t have gone to vietnam, or resolved the matter in short order, the soviets thought differently as they advanced in every corner of the world,

    narciso (7404b5)

  83. ‘the shining city on the hill’

    ‘Oz’ was a matte painting; image-making faked from a Hollywood alumnus: Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. @83. had goldwater been elected, we probably wouldn’t have gone to Vietnam…

    ‘Probably’… because it ‘probably’ would not have been there:

    ‘Goldwater suggested using atomic weapons against the North Vietnamese, but more “tactically”. Instead of dropping huge bombs on civilian/military populations, he wanted to use “ low-yield atomic bombs in North Vietnam to defoliate forests and destroy bridges, roads, and railroad lines bringing supplies from communist China.’ -source, quora.com

    ‘[Goldwater] also advocated that field commanders in Vietnam and Europe should be given the authority to use tactical nuclear weapons (which he called “small conventional nuclear weapons”) without presidential confirmation.’ – source, wikirightwingnutbag

    Try the sautéed mushrooms…

    “Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. – General “Buck” Turgidson [George C.Scott] ‘Dr. Strangelove’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. Disregard for the rules and norms IS “high principle” for Trump. And, to be fair, it wasn’t people who liked the status quo that voted for him.

    Granted. But Trump apologists insist that whatever Trump does is really in the interest of restoring real justice, in a lonely and courageous fight against Deep State corruption.

    Trumpistas have claimed that their “burn it all down” mantra from the 2016 was meant only in a “drain the swamp” sense. The fervent Trump supporters apparently do believe he’s fighting against corruption every day, and that any opposition or criticism is more evidence of pervasive rot in the system. It can never be that Trump might have done something wrong.

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  86. @68 Trump is killing US citizens with his silence on Putin’s bounty program and his Covid rhetoric. If you vote him back into office he will continue killing Americans. He is currently, at this moment, slitting our throats and is not going to stop.

    Nic (896fdf)

  87. Trump is killing US citizens with his silence on Putin’s bounty program and his Covid rhetoric.

    It’s Afghans who are doing the killing and the brass were briefed. Which should tell you a lot- especially after wasting 20 years of blood and treasure there– an Afghan’s loyalty can be bought by the highest bidder.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. Indeed. It was people who liked the status quo 50 years earlier.

    Like people without a college degree who had jobs.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  89. @83. had goldwater been elected, we probably wouldn’t have gone to Vietnam…

    Uh, we were already there in some force. It’s likely we would have doubled down, but it would have been a very short war. One way or the other.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  90. Goldwater in August 1964, a week after the Gulf of Tonkin incident:

    “. . . To insist on strength, let me impress you, is not warmongering. It is peace-mongering — the only kind that has ever worked in the whole history of the world.”

    And that great man, Winston Churchill, once was called an extremist. And that’s quite a popular word around today, and I ask the question whether you men want your wives to be extremely faithful to you or just moderately faithful. I’ve told Peggie what I prefer.

    But Mr. Churchill was called an extremist because he spoke up for Britain’s defenses at a time when appeasement was very popular. Now, had he, rather than those who called him names been listened to, there is every reason to believe that the Second World War could have been prevented.

    Only with the strength to keep the peace can we ever hope for the time in which ideological obsession of Communism will be abandoned by the leaders of the nations which today we call Communist. Yet, there are those who fear that strength may only provoke the enemy.

    Was it strength that was responsible for the attacks on our destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin? Or was it the enemy’s doubt of our strength and doubt of our will to use it?

    And I charge that our policies have become so involved, so twisted with diplomatic red tape that the enemy might well have wondered if we would accept their attacks at sea on the same basis that we have been accepting their attacks on land.

    And I support, before anyone gets the wrong idea, as does my party, as do all Americans, the President’s firm action in response. But I must point out that it was just that, I must point out that it was just that a response–an incident not a program or a new policy; a tactical reaction, not a new winning strategy.

    Yes, all of us support the President in this strong, right action. No, we will not let this one action obscure a multitude of other needed actions.

    And no, we will not let our support today silence our basic criticism that the war in Vietnam — and let’s call it what it is, a war–that the war in Vietnam is being fought under policies that obscure our purposes, confuse our allies, particularly the Vietnamese and encourage the enemy to prolong the fighting.

    We must, instead, prosecute the war in Vietnam with the object of ending it along with the threats to peace that it poses all over the world.

    Taking strong action simply to return to the status quo is not worthy of our sacrifices, our ideals, or our vision of a world of peace, freedom and justice.

    Dave (1bb933)

  91. Granted. But Trump apologists insist that whatever Trump does is really in the interest of restoring real justice, in a lonely and courageous fight against Deep State corruption.

    Dear God in heaven, if only. But Trump’s fight is, at best, theater. He is incapable of delivering a tax cut for the rich with a GOP Congress, let alone fixing the embedded bureaucratic state. He can’t even fix the Department of Justice. Say what you want about Obama, but he was 100% in filling government with his apparatchiks. Trump hasn’t done anything but tweet.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  92. For a take on the “just a few conventional nuclear weapons” see Harry Turtledove’s “Bomb’s Away”, about Truman using “just a few little A-bombs” to save the Marines at Chosin Reservoir.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  93. Now, had he, rather than those who called him names been listened to, there is every reason to believe that the Second World War could have been prevented.

    Alternatively, had Churchill been ignored just a little longer, and/or Lord Halifax been more interested in the PM job, the European part of WW2 might have been prevented a different way, or at least only fought on the East.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. @91.

    Goldwater in November, 1964: LOSER.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. And you won the vietnam war, the following fall tell him dom pardo.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  96. It won’t take long before history judges Trump as the most incompetent, most corrupt, most lawless, most ignorant and most dishonest president in American history, worse than any other.

    Except he’s not. Sing it: “Nixon Now… Nixon Now…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. You can keep your doctor and your plan, you really want to go there

    Narciso (7404b5)

  98. Nixon was a piker, awkward ashamed of his sunbelt roots to willing to defer to those habits he picked up at mudge rose the ones that had him go off the gold standard and play footsie with mao.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  99. #21

    How totally unexpected! And by that I mean totally expected. Trump said, a month or so ago, “Roger Stone is not going to prison” (or maybe he said “jail”). […]
    nk (1d9030) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:12 pm

    Quinta Jurecic and Ben Wittes put some more flesh on it:

    [T]he predictable nature of Trump’s action should not obscure its rank corruption. In fact, the predictability makes the commutation all the more corrupt, the capstone of an all-but-open attempt on the president’s part to obstruct justice in a self-protective fashion over a protracted period of time. That may sound like hyperbole, but it’s actually not. Trump publicly encouraged Stone not to cooperate with Robert Mueller’s investigation, he publicly dangled clemency as a reward for silence, and he has now delivered. The act is predictable precisely because the corrupt action is so naked.

    Not that it will convince the Trump cult of anything, but the whole piece is worth a read.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  100. Mueller on Stone:

    One of our cases involved Stone, an official on the campaign until mid-2015 and a supporter of the campaign throughout 2016. Stone became a central figure in our investigation for two key reasons: He communicated in 2016 with individuals known to us to be Russian intelligence officers, and he claimed advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ release of emails stolen by those Russian intelligence officers.
    […]
    We also identified numerous links between the Russian government and Trump campaign personnel — Stone among them. We did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its activities. The investigation did, however, establish that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome. It also established that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.
    […]
    Congress also investigated and sought information from Stone. A jury later determined he lied repeatedly to members of Congress. He lied about the identity of his intermediary to WikiLeaks. He lied about the existence of written communications with his intermediary. He lied by denying he had communicated with the Trump campaign about the timing of WikiLeaks’ releases. He in fact updated senior campaign officials repeatedly about WikiLeaks. And he tampered with a witness, imploring him to stonewall Congress.

    Stone is one of the baddies, and Trump is a baddie for pardoning him. Stone and Trump would never ask the question that this Nazi did, but the answer is an emphatic “yes”.

    Paul Montagu (c9d3c1)

  101. Pork. The other white meat; Debbie did Dallas… Roger does Sean.

    “They wanted me to be the ham in their ham sandwich.” – Roger Stone 7-13-20

    DCSCA (797bc0)

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