BREAKING: Trump Commutes Roger Stone’s Sentence
As corrupt as it gets:
So here’s Roger Stone explicitly asking @realDonaldTrump for executive clemency on the ground that Stone refused to provide evidence against Trump.
This couldn’t be more corrupt. https://t.co/xMLsEiNmAz
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) July 10, 2020
Senior administration official confirms to Politico that President Trump has commuted Roger Stone's sentence
— Betsy Woodruff Swan (@woodruffbets) July 10, 2020
Even Bill Barr said this was a righteous prosecution. But Trump recently maintained, in a statement literally nobody except his most rabid and senseless fans believe, that Stone was “framed.”
Dirty. Corrupt. Inexcusable.
Vote him out.
November can’t come fast enough.
Patterico (115b1f) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:02 pmThis Friday afternoon skulduggery is becoming a thing.
norcal (a5428a) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:05 pmColor me skeptical. He still has six months.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:13 pmWell if it it bothers people so much, take that same energy and initiative spent toppling and drowning statues and…or otherwise chill.
urbanleftbehind (f9eb07) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:19 pmThis couldn’t be more corrupt.
“brought to you by the lock her up peanut brigade.” — Tomeka Hart, forewoman
beer ‘n pretzels (9a8c11) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:24 pmHold my Diet Coke, Dave Daca not Caca…young Jonathan Banks must be at the Outer Banks or on the crapper.
urbanleftbehind (f9eb07) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:25 pmMy God, there goes the Rule of Law…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:28 pmStone publicly says he has dirt on Trump but has been loyal. Trump commutes his sentence. Republicans are such corrupt and dishonest people.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:31 pmETA, not all. But at this point I think it’s most. Definitely all the leaders
Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:35 pmAnd it seemed quick. The perception is Trump is easily controlled by dirt.
Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:39 pmIf people aren’t going to get mad at Trump for selling out our soldiers to the Russians, they certainly aren’t going to get mad at him selling out to Roger Stone.
At this point I have outrage fatigue. My outrage meter has about maxed out. There’s probably something else that Trump could do that I would get more outraged about, but I’m not sure what it is.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:47 pm8… Mr. Tar has spoken.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:49 pmThank God. Justice is finally done. Convicted by a jury led by a Trump hating Democrat forewoman, for process crime committed during a fake investigation of hoax: Trump-Russia collusion. People should read the actual document signed by Trump. Its a fiery denunciation of the whole sordid Mueller investigation and its fraudulent beginnings.
And don’t forget Biden was up to his eyeballs in getting General Flynn and spying on the Trump campaign. Joe and Barrack made sure the “right people” were put on it. If Biden attacks this commutation, lets go back and see if criticized Obama and Clinton for commuting several FLN Terrorists and Killers, and Clinton for pardoning Marc Rich.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:50 pmSo that Sleepy Uncle Joe can take his place? That’s not much of a choice.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:50 pmFIFY.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/10/2020 @ 5:51 pmYou forgot about this already
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/02/25/details-obtained-in-roger-stone-juror-tomeka-harts-jury-questionnaire-appear-to-contradict-public-statements-she-made-on-twitter/
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:00 pmNo prison could hold him…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp_2embNSfQ
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:06 pmObama and Clinton for commuting several FLN Terrorists and Killers,
Did they personally benefit from pardoning those FLN guys?
Kishnevi (5d96c1) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:07 pmBecause Trump personally benefits from this.[You referenced the Mark Rich. That is a near parallel. But the FLN are not.]
This couldn’t be more corrupt. https://t.co/xMLsEiNmAz
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) July 10, 2020
And who are you sleeping with?!?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:10 pmI though he was a fool, in part trusting randy credico with anything, but thats a criminal offense.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:11 pmHow totally unexpected! And by that I mean totally expected. Trump said, a month or so ago, “Roger Stone is not going to prison” (or maybe he said “jail”). And my guess, also, was that it would be a commutation, for now, so that Stone could pursue an appeal. The pardon, or the Rule 48(a) motion if the conviction is reversed and remanded for a new trial, will come later.
nk (1d9030) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:12 pmDid they personally benefit from pardoning those FLN guys?
FALN. They felt they did. But, why is that relevant? If it was done for ideological reasons, would that have been better? What would’ve been a non-corrupt reason?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120277819085260827
beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:16 pmHere’s the full statement, from the official White House press release. You can kinda see where a certain Orangeotan started banging on the keyboard.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:26 pm23. In short, the Creed of The Church of Trump. Also totally unexpected, and that I mean totally expected, predictable, trite, and same-old-sh!t-different-day.
nk (1d9030) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:34 pmBTW, this brilliant commentariat does not need to be told that “I did not snitch you out” implies “I can still snitch you out”, do you?
nk (1d9030) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:36 pmNow some of his books are atrocious
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1281749895431544837
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:51 pm@25 That was definitely written between the lines I was reading.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/10/2020 @ 6:55 pmEven credico who is to the left of mao, didnt take the threat seriously.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/10/2020 @ 7:04 pmSo there are no other imprisoned 67 year old men (or older) with underlying health conditions who are medically at risk while incarcerated? And no other imprisoned 67 year old with underlying medical conditions have suffered greatly, or been treated unfairly?
It’s obscene that, during a pandemic, the President of the United States would single out his friend as being at risk, as if no one else is, and as if no one else has been treated unfairly. I feel that this is an egregious use of his position to bring up these points as part of the justification for commuting his sentence. And I’m not even talking about the actual crime itself.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/10/2020 @ 7:14 pmSince the 1970s, Stone worked on the campaigns of Republican politicians Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, Bob Dole, and Donald Trump.
He is GOP; he is dark arts conservatism; means to an end.
He is you.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/10/2020 @ 7:24 pm@19 Nah, Trump bought Kelly Anne honestly.
@30 But is he a witch?
Nic (896fdf) — 7/10/2020 @ 8:09 pmSorry, you lost me. Trump is justifying his commutation of Stone. Why would he talk about hundreds of other 67 y/o’s in prison? He’s not commuting his sentence SOLELY because of CV-19. The communtation lists all the other reasons, many, many reasons.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/10/2020 @ 8:43 pmFurther, what is your point? That Trump shouldn’t pardon Stone because other 67 y/o’s are at risk for CV-19? Do you understand Trump can only commute sentences for people convicted of FEDERAL crimes?
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/10/2020 @ 8:45 pmAnd my guess, also, was that it would be a commutation, for now, so that Stone could pursue an appeal
And unlike a pardon, Stone can still plead the Fifth as a way of avoiding testifying.
If Biden gets elected, he should give Stone a pardon on Jan 21 and then have him hauled before a grand jury.
Kishnevi (5d96c1) — 7/10/2020 @ 8:50 pmMeanwhile kim gardner can serve as an endircer for susan rosenbergs rent a mob.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/10/2020 @ 9:03 pmMeanwhile…squirrel
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/10/2020 @ 9:11 pmSpeaking of commuted sentences: terrorist Susan Rosenberg given freedom on Clinton’s last day in officer and now she currently assists black lives matters’s communist organization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRV-34rdQBk
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/10/2020 @ 10:00 pmI like how they both got the Susan Rosenberg talking point and rushed over to share. It’s like a beautiful duet.
Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/10/2020 @ 11:38 pm90% of republicans support trump. 80% of those republicans are populists not librarian conservatives. You were fooled into thinking wealthy republicans who could buy republican politicians and the conservative media and punditry class who are conservative libertarians represented most republicans. In 2016 you found out the hard way that when the republican majority was allowed to vote vote for a social conservative populist (or at least pretending to be one) that is what they wanted. Build the wall not conservative libertarian let in the illegals to pay low wages too and increase profits and ship the good paying jobs overseas. That is why trump could win ohio, michigan, iowa, pennsylvania and wisconsin and nearly minnesota. Bush barely won ohio in 2004 and none of the others. Mccain and romney couldn’t win ohio let alone those other states. Susan rosenberg is a lefty and was pardoned for that reason by a democrat just as stone, arpaio and the iran-contra traitors and drug pushers were pardoned for being republicans. Also most judges are political hacks too. That is how oliver north and charlie keating among many others skated out of the jaws of the legal system. The left and right practice mercy and forgiveness for their side and law and order for the other side. Not good news for the right as the left is gaining more and more power as their constituency grows with the ever increasing young minority voters loving AOC and hating you!
asset (8c4534) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:40 amThat ignorant judge should be coated with tar and feathers and the same for that ignoramus pos judge idiot sullivan.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/11/2020 @ 2:47 amYou people better run and hide because russia,russia,russia, no wait, scamdemic, scamdemic, scamdemic, are you in your basement yet? don’t forget your mask, mask holes.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/11/2020 @ 2:54 amYou people better run and hide because russia,russia,russia, no wait, scamdemic, scamdemic, scamdemic, are you in your basement yet? don’t forget your mask, mask holes.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/11/2020 @ 2:54 am
If you think Covid is a scam what’s your alternative explanation for the large spike in total deaths that starts at the end of March?
Don’t worry about any of the fancy stuff. Just look at the blue bars.
Time123 (80b471) — 7/11/2020 @ 3:33 am“November can’t come fast enough.” Patterico
October. I won’t wait for November.
noel (4d3313) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:42 amI saw some polls recently that showed 2 to 1 disapproval of Trump’s handling of both the virus and race relations. You have to be really, really stupid to pull that off.
noel (4d3313) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:55 amTantrumps.
Stone commutation. Stupid. Calling Black Lives Matter mural “hate” and damaging to Fifth Avenue prestige. Stupid. Defending the Confederate flag. Stupid.
There are no adults remaining in the White House. Just tantrumps.
noel (4d3313) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:02 amThe fake outrage over this from the D’s like Schumer, Pelosi, and NYT/WaPo is laughable. These people don’t believe in the “rule of law”. They’ve made it clear they don’t think People on THEIR side should serve a day in jail, and cheer when FLN Terrorists are pardoned and have their sentences commuted. One hopes that Hilary will have enough decency to stay quiet after the Marc Rich Pardon. The other problem is that the D’s and the media (basically the same thing) have zero credibility left. They hate Trump and criticize EVERYTHING he does, so people have just tuned them out. Oh, you’re outraged by Trump’s pardon? You mean like you’ve been outraged every SINGLE DAY for the last 4 years?
rcocean (fcc23e) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:11 am“You mean like you’ve been outraged every SINGLE DAY for the last 4 years?”… rcocean
Yes. Yes. Yes.
How you can overlook the faults of the Confederate President is beyond me.
noel (4d3313) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:19 amRomney, with another dose of concise common sense:
Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:23 amIt’s kind of funny the things that are important to people. If Trump were competent or effective or even conservative none of this would bother me much. Bill Clinton was a total sleaze when it came to women — or truth — but he was a fairly effective President. No one ever called him a moron or incompetent and he was effective at getting things done.
That a politician is lining their pockets — within reason — is not a deal-breaker to me; I expect that all politicians are crooked to some extent. It’s the nature of the beast. But we put them in power to TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS and the most scrupulously honest President who cannot do that is worse than any crook.
Of course, here, we have an incompetent crook so it’s bad from any perspective. The real crime though is that he prevents anyone else running from the Right side of the spectrum, leaving us with the terrible choice of an incompetent crook or a competent mamzer.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:25 amRomney talks the big talk, but he won’t walk the big walk. He could have run, or at least threatened, an independent campaign, or even challenged Trump in the primaries. He did not. I will probably never forgive the GOP for squandering every chance for keeping this man out of the political system and avoiding the catastrophe(s) to come.
Coming up in 2021: “Whose fault was it?”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:34 amIt’s tough for me to vote for a Democrat. I have never done it. But I have a few simple requirements for my vote.
The candidate must be Pro-life. Some exceptions: Dictators and racists.
I will vote Biden.
noel (4d3313) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:36 amnoel can you imagine if the democrats just ran an actual moderate? Not moderate by their standards, where everyone who isn’t setting a police car on fire is a conservative, but a regular old school Texas blue dog like Ann Richards?
The democrats see Trump as an opportunity, but I think they see the wrong one. The deeper need we have is to save the country from the divisive politicians. Oh well. At least they didn’t nominate Bernie.
Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/11/2020 @ 7:58 amJoe Biden
@JoeBiden
Here’s my promise to you: If I have the honor of being elected president, I will take care of your family like I would my own.
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Corey A. DeAngelis
@DeAngelisCorey
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Wait. So you’ll allow low-income families to send their kids to private schools too?
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proletaribits
@realhottiepants
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sounds good i will get rich off of corruption
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Newtles
harkin (5af287) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:01 am@Knewtles
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A pregnant stripper in every garage and a billion dollar loan from China in every pot.
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What are you talking about? It’s always relevant when a terrorist is set free and even more relevant when that terrorist is involved in a modern communist group that is getting favorable press while trying to destroy the United States.
I also had to post it from a 3rd party because YouTube took down the official link because they didn’t like terrorist affiliations to BLM being exposed. No agenda, right?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:12 amMitt Romney is 73, Kevin. He had his chance. He well demonstrated that he’s a lousy presidential campaigner who will probably lose if he tries.
Jack Goldsmith has a great breakdown of Trump’s pardons/commutations.
The chart is compelling. It won’t take long before history judges Trump as the most incompetent, most corrupt, most lawless, most ignorant and most dishonest president in American history, worse than any other.
Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:13 amThe whatabouts are always out of left field, yet repeated in unison. They are always intended only to deflect, often with things that aren’t even controversial. It’s like you guys sing your excuses in a chorus. Your argument is that Trump’s corruption is OK because something unrelated happened and whatabout that? Obviously you won’t admit this is your argument. But you know it is.
Oh there’s an agenda. This is how you defend Trump for shooting a man on 5th avenue. That man happened to be a US Soldier in Afghanistan and the bullet was his deal with the devil in Moscow.
Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:32 amPaul,
You seem to think I care about the pardons. ALL POLITICIANS ARE CROOKS. Professional requirement. Some are just worse than others. My objections to Trump are based on incompetence, stupidity and general all-round lack of common-dog-fu*k. That the only viable alternative is the front man for a pack of power-crazed commies is a catastrophe. “Romney” is a stand-in for all the other people who could have put their lives, fortunes or sacred honor up as an alternative, but didn’t.
I have been pissed about this since about February 2016. Electing a Democrat instead seems worse now than it did then, given how hard to the Left that party has moved.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:34 amMeh… at least Trump didn’t cheese out by doing this on his last day of office.
My “give-o-crap” meter isn’t moving much when the likes of HRC and her cronies obviously breaks classified handling laws….
McCabe/Comey lies under oath too, yet no cases were brought.
Or, when the likes of Clapper/Obama officials LIE under oath to congress…
When Stone lies about his conversations about Wikileaks with the campaign and was convicted with witness intimidation that the witness HIMSELF stated that he didn’t consider it meaningful. When you think about it, Stone’s “transgressions” we’re small potatoes compared to the plethora of Democrats largely escaping their more serious transgressions.
It boiled down to the fact that Stone was charged for political reasons and the Mueller team was looking for ANY scalp to justify their existence.
whembly (c30c83) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:34 amThat man happened to be a US Soldier in Afghanistan and the bullet was his deal with the devil in Moscow.
You prove your point with your assumptions.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:35 amLet’s say that Biden beats Trump 60-40, wining every state but Mississippi.
Which headline do you expect:
1. “Nation repudiates Trump in landslide”
or
2. “Nation chooses Democratic Party agenda in landslide”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:39 amSo you’re fine with Weather Underground terrorists running the show? Bill Ayers would be proud. You’re so filled with hate about Trump you’d burn the entire world to the ground to beat him.
No thanks. I refuse to join you in letting the left turn our last great hope, the shining city on the hill into the USSA.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:42 amWhat he said…
whembly (c30c83) — 7/11/2020 @ 8:46 amhttps://twitter.com/chuckrossdc/status/1281771177946611713?s=21
LOL
Yep you got me. Because I pointed out that your whatabout is a shameful attempt to change the subject from what the current president did just now, I am basically a terrorist. Well played.
😎
Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:21 amAt a certain point, when Stone is actively saying he’ll snitch if he’s not commuted being a not-half-bad one, this isn’t really a partisan or political issue at all. It’s really just us vs them, good vs evil. I know that is superficially very similar to how fringe politics has always pretended to work, but it’s not how it actually works. This is a unique and critical point in our nation’s history.
Seriously recognize why this is not what’s important. Obviously democrats will always use Trump in the way that gives them max lefty value. That was my warning in 2016 because it’s not just predictable, it’s a law of nature. The institutions of our society will crumble if Trump manages to stay in power. Whether he’s re-elected is not even up for debate. We the people hate this guy.
Dustin (b62cc4) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:26 am62… yes, but don’t impugn Schiff, he’s a real stand-up guy.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:36 amand 6AM raids with CNN cameras and coverage are just BAU, baby!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:37 amDustin,
I mean that you assert (with as much proof as Trump has of his conspiracy theories) that Trump is Putin’s stooge then say how terrible it was that Putin (and TRUMP!!11!!) had a bounty on soldiers. Utter circular logic.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:42 amWe the people hate this guy.
Perhaps. But does that mean we need to slit our throats?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:43 amA pregnant stripper in every garage and a billion dollar loan from China in every pot.
That’s the Kushners, you know that, right?
nk (1d9030) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:49 amno susan rosenberg’s renta mobs will do it for you,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:50 am60.Let’s say that Biden beats Trump 60-40, wining every state but Mississippi.
Let’s expect Trump to clip Biden 46-45 w/9 going to the perpetually disgruntled.
Which headline do you expect:
1. “Triumphant Trump”
or
2. “Joe Blows It.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/11/2020 @ 9:50 amWilliam Barr, June 10, 2020, on the “righteous” prosecution of Roger Stone:
White House, June 11: It was nothing but a cruel and vicious political witch hunt!
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/11/2020 @ 10:34 amAll in the service of Truth and Justice:
And:
IOW, Trump uses presidential power in the way his routine public pronouncements would lead a person to expect — selfishly and with no regard for ordinary rules and norms. Then his acolytes proceed to dress it up as a matter of high principle.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/11/2020 @ 10:47 amthat very unfair mr nk
its really more of a hobby for ivanka
Dave (1bb933) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:01 amLet’s expect Trump to clip Biden 46-45 w/9 going to the perpetually disgruntled.
Which headline do you expect:
“Trump claims landslide”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:04 amThen his acolytes proceed to dress it up as a matter of high principle.
Disregard for the rules and norms IS “high principle” for Trump. And, to be fair, it wasn’t people who liked the status quo that voted for him.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:07 amAs for Trump being Putin’s stooge, don’t you think Putin would want higher quality help?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:13 amIndeed. It was people who liked the status quo 50 years earlier.
Like Deezy-Eska.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:13 amSomeone who could think for themselves? Of course not.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:16 amso passing around hillary’s dirty laundry, bad, passing around diplomatic and signals intelligence, pulitzer worthy, I try to grok the logic, admittedly pretending he was secret channel for wikileaks was stupid, but criminal, unlike maintaining an insecure server which compromised secrets to dozens of nations, that is prima facie illegal,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:20 amno the provenance of said data is said to have been ascertained by crowdstrike, which the ceo himself admitted it wasn’t verifiable, this is why the concord catering case also fell apart,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:27 am78. ROFLMAOPIP; welcome to 1964, Davey– you’re still one of ‘Barry’s Boys…’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-8Q79U1qk
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:37 amhad goldwater been elected, we probably wouldn’t have gone to vietnam, or resolved the matter in short order, the soviets thought differently as they advanced in every corner of the world,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:42 am‘the shining city on the hill’
‘Oz’ was a matte painting; image-making faked from a Hollywood alumnus: Reaganomics.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/11/2020 @ 11:47 am@83. had goldwater been elected, we probably wouldn’t have gone to Vietnam…
‘Probably’… because it ‘probably’ would not have been there:
‘Goldwater suggested using atomic weapons against the North Vietnamese, but more “tactically”. Instead of dropping huge bombs on civilian/military populations, he wanted to use “ low-yield atomic bombs in North Vietnam to defoliate forests and destroy bridges, roads, and railroad lines bringing supplies from communist China.’ -source, quora.com
‘[Goldwater] also advocated that field commanders in Vietnam and Europe should be given the authority to use tactical nuclear weapons (which he called “small conventional nuclear weapons”) without presidential confirmation.’ – source, wikirightwingnutbag
Try the sautéed mushrooms…
“Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. – General “Buck” Turgidson [George C.Scott] ‘Dr. Strangelove’ 1964
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:05 pmGranted. But Trump apologists insist that whatever Trump does is really in the interest of restoring real justice, in a lonely and courageous fight against Deep State corruption.
Trumpistas have claimed that their “burn it all down” mantra from the 2016 was meant only in a “drain the swamp” sense. The fervent Trump supporters apparently do believe he’s fighting against corruption every day, and that any opposition or criticism is more evidence of pervasive rot in the system. It can never be that Trump might have done something wrong.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:06 pm@68 Trump is killing US citizens with his silence on Putin’s bounty program and his Covid rhetoric. If you vote him back into office he will continue killing Americans. He is currently, at this moment, slitting our throats and is not going to stop.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:13 pmTrump is killing US citizens with his silence on Putin’s bounty program and his Covid rhetoric.
It’s Afghans who are doing the killing and the brass were briefed. Which should tell you a lot- especially after wasting 20 years of blood and treasure there– an Afghan’s loyalty can be bought by the highest bidder.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:18 pmIndeed. It was people who liked the status quo 50 years earlier.
Like people without a college degree who had jobs.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:44 pm@83. had goldwater been elected, we probably wouldn’t have gone to Vietnam…
Uh, we were already there in some force. It’s likely we would have doubled down, but it would have been a very short war. One way or the other.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 12:50 pmGoldwater in August 1964, a week after the Gulf of Tonkin incident:
Dave (1bb933) — 7/11/2020 @ 3:28 pmGranted. But Trump apologists insist that whatever Trump does is really in the interest of restoring real justice, in a lonely and courageous fight against Deep State corruption.
Dear God in heaven, if only. But Trump’s fight is, at best, theater. He is incapable of delivering a tax cut for the rich with a GOP Congress, let alone fixing the embedded bureaucratic state. He can’t even fix the Department of Justice. Say what you want about Obama, but he was 100% in filling government with his apparatchiks. Trump hasn’t done anything but tweet.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 5:50 pmFor a take on the “just a few conventional nuclear weapons” see Harry Turtledove’s “Bomb’s Away”, about Truman using “just a few little A-bombs” to save the Marines at Chosin Reservoir.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 5:53 pmNow, had he, rather than those who called him names been listened to, there is every reason to believe that the Second World War could have been prevented.
Alternatively, had Churchill been ignored just a little longer, and/or Lord Halifax been more interested in the PM job, the European part of WW2 might have been prevented a different way, or at least only fought on the East.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/11/2020 @ 5:57 pm@91.
Goldwater in November, 1964: LOSER.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:05 pmAnd you won the vietnam war, the following fall tell him dom pardo.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:14 pmIt won’t take long before history judges Trump as the most incompetent, most corrupt, most lawless, most ignorant and most dishonest president in American history, worse than any other.
Except he’s not. Sing it: “Nixon Now… Nixon Now…”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:24 pmYou can keep your doctor and your plan, you really want to go there
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:29 pmNixon was a piker, awkward ashamed of his sunbelt roots to willing to defer to those habits he picked up at mudge rose the ones that had him go off the gold standard and play footsie with mao.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/11/2020 @ 6:40 pm#21
Quinta Jurecic and Ben Wittes put some more flesh on it:
Not that it will convince the Trump cult of anything, but the whole piece is worth a read.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/12/2020 @ 2:23 amMueller on Stone:
Stone is one of the baddies, and Trump is a baddie for pardoning him. Stone and Trump would never ask the question that this Nazi did, but the answer is an emphatic “yes”.
Paul Montagu (c9d3c1) — 7/12/2020 @ 11:14 amPork. The other white meat; Debbie did Dallas… Roger does Sean.
“They wanted me to be the ham in their ham sandwich.” – Roger Stone 7-13-20
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/13/2020 @ 6:34 pm